The police in London must be praying for a soporific 0-0 in the West Ham v Spurs match and not an extra time mistake by VAR giving one of the teams a win.
Met Police estimate around 110,000 attending the Unite the Kingdom rally
That is a very big amti-Starmer rally.
Sky News just now is saying Arsenal winning is the only good news for him recently as he is in a lot of trouble and apparently Badenoch has raised the stakes by saying he has 'lied to the nation', not something she could say in the house
Kemi needs to be careful not to overdo it. She doesn't want this to become all about her throwing unsubstantiated claims about.
Why on earth should she
This is raw politics and she can claim she took down Mandelson
Do you really think Labour would pussy foitot around this if it was a tory ?
You are my favourite amti-Starmer poster now. It used to be Urquhart but he's not got your doggedness and momentum.
Maybe but as I am fairly immobile, in my 80's, and have Sky on together with a subscription to the Guardian with access to other media I am able to see a story and post it
And before you respond with currygate it wasn't just me on the case and many think Starmer got away with
You are on a roll. Perhaps you could relitigate Currygate. Call the police!
If we had all been smarter, Currygate was very revealing.
Starmer lives precisely within what he believes the rules to be. He doesn’t stop to consider whether something is right or wrong.
There is an enduring caricature of the PM that he does not know what to think about anything until told by a judge. It’s sticking for good reason. His defence on Mandy is shaping up to be that no one explicitly told him the appointment was not allowed, he doesn’t seem to have stopped to consider whether it was wise.
That's actually a really good observation. Take the whole transgender issue, the PM just said nothing about it until the supreme court ruled that biology/science/XX is fact and everything else is just nonsense under the law and then suddenly the PM lines up behind that side of the argument. I'd never really considered him from that perspective, but it really is the truth. He just doesn't have any method of forming an opinion that hasn't already been defined by the courts or some higher panel/committee.
That would also fit in with the absence of any political philosophy with this government.
Some ministers have their own pet projects but there's no overall coherence.
With the dominant theme instead being of low grade management by someone who has always had a guaranteed job.
A government without a guiding ideology but dull competence would be a big improvement on what we are actually suffering.
I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.
It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.
Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
Bad enough in this country. I remember being in Magaluf. It was like going to a zoo without bars. And looking at the violent tattooed drunks aggressively staggering around the streets made me feel equally ashamed.
I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.
It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.
Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
Genuine question, why did it make you embarrassed to be British? This sort of shit, and often worse, happens all over the world, in France, Germany, Sweden, the crazy activities in the US.
Do we have some inherent moral make up that makes us “better” than foreigners so that we alone should not have far right violent people in our population?
I would get you being embarrassed to be a human but don’t get why you should feel embarrassed to be British, especially how on the large scale of things we are at the top of the table for inclusivity by surveys on that sort of thing.
The Times is told that both the Foreign Office and Number 10 were aware of the Bloomberg front up message on Tuesday morning
Government sources say that Starmer was not **aware** of the messages when he spoke at PMQs. This has yet to be confirmed on the record by No 10
This is the best timetable we've been able to pull together from multiple sources in government
I'm told that there are several different timelines circulating in government which are still being worked on
Number 10 and the foreign office will now come under mounting pressure to disclose exactly what it knew, and more importantly who knew, about the emails
There is something odd about this Mandelson/Epstein business. If Bloomberg has a cache of 18,000 emails from Epstein, why did they run with Mandelson rather than any prominent American figures? Why no Americans alongside Mandelson?
I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.
It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.
Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
Genuine question, why did it make you embarrassed to be British? This sort of shit, and often worse, happens all over the world, in France, Germany, Sweden, the crazy activities in the US.
Do we have some inherent moral make up that makes us “better” than foreigners so that we alone should not have far right violent people in our population?
I would get you being embarrassed to be a human but don’t get why you should feel embarrassed to be British, especially how on the large scale of things we are at the top of the table for inclusivity by surveys on that sort of thing.
Unlike those other countries we have a tendency to take our thuggery on tour, as the Magalluf comment above references. That’s what tends to make me embarrassed to be British, not so much what happens domestically.
The Times is told that both the Foreign Office and Number 10 were aware of the Bloomberg front up message on Tuesday morning
Government sources say that Starmer was not **aware** of the messages when he spoke at PMQs. This has yet to be confirmed on the record by No 10
This is the best timetable we've been able to pull together from multiple sources in government
I'm told that there are several different timelines circulating in government which are still being worked on
Number 10 and the foreign office will now come under mounting pressure to disclose exactly what it knew, and more importantly who knew, about the emails
There is something odd about this Mandelson/Epstein business. If Bloomberg has a cache of 18,000 emails from Epstein, why did they run with Mandelson rather than any prominent American figures? Why no Americans alongside Mandelson?
Mandleson is a story here. He isn't significant in America and they are interested in other people.
Incidentally that 18000 works out as less than 3 a day. I anticipate there are many more out there.
I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.
It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.
Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
Genuine question, why did it make you embarrassed to be British? This sort of shit, and often worse, happens all over the world, in France, Germany, Sweden, the crazy activities in the US.
Do we have some inherent moral make up that makes us “better” than foreigners so that we alone should not have far right violent people in our population?
I would get you being embarrassed to be a human but don’t get why you should feel embarrassed to be British, especially how on the large scale of things we are at the top of the table for inclusivity by surveys on that sort of thing.
The left love being embarrassed to be British - it's the ultimate virtue signal. Hilarious.
How the flying feck do Capita/ TV Licencing get away with this? I get at least one dodgy letter a month from them, but this is pure bollocks.
Which part of it is bullshit?
I just went to the /notv link and haven't had a letter since.
In my experience they'll start messaging you again about 11 months after your declaration of notv. Maybe less. They need to make sure (and keep making sure) you're really really not watching anything they can tax you for.
That's my experience, too. Told them I don't watch live TV at home (which is true) and started getting letters again after less than a year.
I'm not prepared to frequently insist, on an indefinite basis, that I'm not breaking the law. So I just let the letters pile up now.
I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.
It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.
Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
Genuine question, why did it make you embarrassed to be British? This sort of shit, and often worse, happens all over the world, in France, Germany, Sweden, the crazy activities in the US.
Do we have some inherent moral make up that makes us “better” than foreigners so that we alone should not have far right violent people in our population?
I would get you being embarrassed to be a human but don’t get why you should feel embarrassed to be British, especially how on the large scale of things we are at the top of the table for inclusivity by surveys on that sort of thing.
Weird bit of whataboutery. When I cycle along and see all the litter in the verges it makes me feel embarrassed to be Scottish, even though the issue is significantly worse in India. It's to do with a sense of national pride, particularly when it trashes somewhere like the Highlands. We're supposed to be better than this.
In this case it's exacerbated by the fact they wrap themselves in the Union Flag.
EXCLUSIVE: Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson lived with his transgender partner, sources tell me.
The individual, who is a male transitioning to a female, is fully cooperating with the FBI.
Sources tell me the FBI had texts and other communications between Robinson and the individual that helped FBI authorities solidify that Robinson was indeed the shooter.
The underlying point is that since Care in the Community and whatever is its American counterpart, there have been a lot more mentally ill people left to rot on the streets, and occasionally murder someone. Still, the British government and American insurance companies saved a bunch of money and we got some nice luxury flats at the old hospitals, so there's that. Lethal injections though? Is there a loophole in the 10 Commandments?
Tommeh's fans attacking police. There could be at least 200,000 .
Get the water cannons out
If it's like the weather in Far East London, God has been doing His best.
It’s rather sunny in North Durham. Although it did rain earlier and I had to get the washing in,
Post of the year!
There’s still just over three months to go but I’m hoping to win 👍
Sounds like Musk is calling for the government to be overthrown by violent means.
January 6th all over again. The Americans will pay a terrible price for failing to deal with that promptly and properly. Because of the consequential re-election of Trump the whole world is paying for that failure.
Met Police estimate around 110,000 attending the Unite the Kingdom rally
That is a very big amti-Starmer rally.
Sky News just now is saying Arsenal winning is the only good news for him recently as he is in a lot of trouble and apparently Badenoch has raised the stakes by saying he has 'lied to the nation', not something she could say in the house
Kemi needs to be careful not to overdo it. She doesn't want this to become all about her throwing unsubstantiated claims about.
Why on earth should she
This is raw politics and she can claim she took down Mandelson
Do you really think Labour would pussy foitot around this if it was a tory ?
You are my favourite amti-Starmer poster now. It used to be Urquhart but he's not got your doggedness and momentum.
Maybe but as I am fairly immobile, in my 80's, and have Sky on together with a subscription to the Guardian with access to other media I am able to see a story and post it
And before you respond with currygate it wasn't just me on the case and many think Starmer got away with
You are on a roll. Perhaps you could relitigate Currygate. Call the police!
If we had all been smarter, Currygate was very revealing.
Starmer lives precisely within what he believes the rules to be. He doesn’t stop to consider whether something is right or wrong.
There is an enduring caricature of the PM that he does not know what to think about anything until told by a judge. It’s sticking for good reason. His defence on Mandy is shaping up to be that no one explicitly told him the appointment was not allowed, he doesn’t seem to have stopped to consider whether it was wise.
That's actually a really good observation. Take the whole transgender issue, the PM just said nothing about it until the supreme court ruled that biology/science/XX is fact and everything else is just nonsense under the law and then suddenly the PM lines up behind that side of the argument. I'd never really considered him from that perspective, but it really is the truth. He just doesn't have any method of forming an opinion that hasn't already been defined by the courts or some higher panel/committee.
On something like Trans that's not a bad position to take, particularly if you don't really care or know much about the issue.
...which might be actual challenge with Starmer - even the most banal of us have something they are passionate about, whether it's trains or moths or whatever. Maybe it's Arsenal? Someone should ask him about the prospect of a Zubimendi/Rice double pivot.
I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.
It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.
Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
Genuine question, why did it make you embarrassed to be British? This sort of shit, and often worse, happens all over the world, in France, Germany, Sweden, the crazy activities in the US.
Do we have some inherent moral make up that makes us “better” than foreigners so that we alone should not have far right violent people in our population?
I would get you being embarrassed to be a human but don’t get why you should feel embarrassed to be British, especially how on the large scale of things we are at the top of the table for inclusivity by surveys on that sort of thing.
The left love being embarrassed to be British - it's the ultimate virtue signal. Hilarious.
Fledgling theory on this: being British, they know it's not done to talk openly about being better than other people. So they put down their country as a substitute way of elevating themselves.
The police in London must be praying for a soporific 0-0 in the West Ham v Spurs match and not an extra time mistake by VAR giving one of the teams a win.
The police at the match will be glad of the overtime.
Tommeh's fans attacking police. There could be at least 200,000 .
Get the water cannons out
If it's like the weather in Far East London, God has been doing His best.
It’s rather sunny in North Durham. Although it did rain earlier and I had to get the washing in,
Post of the year!
There’s still just over three months to go but I’m hoping to win 👍
Sounds like Musk is calling for the government to be overthrown by violent means.
January 6th all over again. The Americans will pay a terrible price for failing to deal with that promptly and properly. Because of the consequential re-election of Trump the whole world is paying for that failure.
I think Elon's referring to the British government.
I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.
It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.
Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
Genuine question, why did it make you embarrassed to be British? This sort of shit, and often worse, happens all over the world, in France, Germany, Sweden, the crazy activities in the US.
Do we have some inherent moral make up that makes us “better” than foreigners so that we alone should not have far right violent people in our population?
I would get you being embarrassed to be a human but don’t get why you should feel embarrassed to be British, especially how on the large scale of things we are at the top of the table for inclusivity by surveys on that sort of thing.
The left love being embarrassed to be British - it's the ultimate virtue signal. Hilarious.
Are you one of those who would have agreed with Alan Clark that football hooligans were proud exponents of the British martial spirit?
You may be surprised to find that quite a large majority of the population, left, centre or right, get painfully and unavoidably embarrassed when our compatriots make us look stupid. It has nothing to do with virtue signalling.
I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.
It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.
Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
Genuine question, why did it make you embarrassed to be British? This sort of shit, and often worse, happens all over the world, in France, Germany, Sweden, the crazy activities in the US.
Do we have some inherent moral make up that makes us “better” than foreigners so that we alone should not have far right violent people in our population?
I would get you being embarrassed to be a human but don’t get why you should feel embarrassed to be British, especially how on the large scale of things we are at the top of the table for inclusivity by surveys on that sort of thing.
Unlike those other countries we have a tendency to take our thuggery on tour, as the Magalluf comment above references. That’s what tends to make me embarrassed to be British, not so much what happens domestically.
And the German equivalent of Magaluf is notoriously exactly the same as Magaluf in drunk violence and grim behaviour, we just don’t often read about it here.
Should Muslims feel embarrassed about being Muslim when Islamo-fascists commit terror atrocities? Of course not. Every country and creed has their arseholes and they are always a minority and unless you feel that the British are more virtuous than others then there should be no need to feel embarrassed about being British.
I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.
It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.
Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
Bad enough in this country. I remember being in Magaluf. It was like going to a zoo without bars. And looking at the violent tattooed drunks aggressively staggering around the streets made me feel equally ashamed.
It's the other way round for me. I feel ashamed that these people are British
Musk speaks at the protest via video link. What a world we live in.
Sounds like Musk is calling for the government to be overthrown by violent means.
From The Guardian Live Blog:
"Elon Musk has addressed crowd attending the “unite the kingdom” march, via video link. He spoke to march leader, far-right activist Tommy Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, over the video call.
Musk claimed that a “dissolution of parliament” and a “change of Government” is needed in the UK. He said: “I really think that there’s got to be a change of Government in Britain. You can’t - we don’t have another four years, or whenever the next election is, it’s too long. Something’s got to be done. There’s got to be a dissolution of Parliament and a new vote held.”
Musk told the march rally: “My appeal is to British common sense, which is to look carefully around you and say ‘If this continues, what world will you be living in?’ “This is a message to the reasonable centre, the people who ordinarily wouldn’t get involved in politics, who just want to live their lives. They don’t want that, they’re quiet, they just go about their business.
“My message is to them: if this continues, that violence is going to come to you, you will have no choice. You’re in a fundamental situation here. Whether you choose violence or not, violence is coming to you. You either fight back or you die, that’s the truth, I think.”
The X owner told the crowd “the left are the party of murder”, referring to the death of Charlie Kirk. He said: “There’s so much violence on the left, with our friend Charlie Kirk getting murdered in cold blood this week and people on the left celebrating it openly. The left is the party of murder and celebrating murder. I mean, let that sink in for a minute, that’s who we’re dealing with here.”
Musk also said that the British public are “scared to exercise their free speech” and claimed the BBC was “complicit in the destruction of Britain”.
When they finished their conversation, Robinson said: “Not only are we in the fight right now, but we’re on the advance thanks to free speech being fought for, for us, by Elon Musk.”"
I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.
It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.
Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
Bad enough in this country. I remember being in Magaluf. It was like going to a zoo without bars. And looking at the violent tattooed drunks aggressively staggering around the streets made me feel equally ashamed.
It's the other way round for me. I feel ashamed that these people are British
That's exactly what meant. I am sure most countries have scum. But we seem to have more than our fair share of it.
EXCLUSIVE: Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson lived with his transgender partner, sources tell me.
The individual, who is a male transitioning to a female, is fully cooperating with the FBI.
Sources tell me the FBI had texts and other communications between Robinson and the individual that helped FBI authorities solidify that Robinson was indeed the shooter.
I mean the whole bulge/OwO thing was a giveaway that he was in the queer/transgender/furry sphere so this shouldn't be a surprise.
As I said yesterday, when the evidence comes out we're likely going to see a kid who grew up in a conservative family, rebelled in his teenage years and then radicalised in his early 20s to become a hard left terrorist who thinks shooting people who he disagreed with is all good.
To me this is a problem of gun control and lack of insane asylums and his parents not being able to spot the signs of radicalisation. At least from an immediate "how do we stop this from happening again" perspective. From an education and "how do we change our culture so that people don't meet words with bullets" it's way more difficult and I definitely don't have the answers but it's got to start at schools and making platforms accountable for the kind of hateful stuff we've seen from the left calling for such and such "next" including his wife, other right wing commentators and not moderating calls to violence.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if we end up seeing that this bastard has been watching Hasan Piker and other hard left commentators who regularly call for violence against political opponents.
I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.
It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.
Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
Genuine question, why did it make you embarrassed to be British? This sort of shit, and often worse, happens all over the world, in France, Germany, Sweden, the crazy activities in the US.
Do we have some inherent moral make up that makes us “better” than foreigners so that we alone should not have far right violent people in our population?
I would get you being embarrassed to be a human but don’t get why you should feel embarrassed to be British, especially how on the large scale of things we are at the top of the table for inclusivity by surveys on that sort of thing.
The left love being embarrassed to be British - it's the ultimate virtue signal. Hilarious.
I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.
It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.
Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
Genuine question, why did it make you embarrassed to be British? This sort of shit, and often worse, happens all over the world, in France, Germany, Sweden, the crazy activities in the US.
Do we have some inherent moral make up that makes us “better” than foreigners so that we alone should not have far right violent people in our population?
I would get you being embarrassed to be a human but don’t get why you should feel embarrassed to be British, especially how on the large scale of things we are at the top of the table for inclusivity by surveys on that sort of thing.
If being proud to be British is someone’s bag, surely they have to pick up the downside also. If you take note of inclusivity surveys and the like, wouldn’t you feel a bit sick to see thousands of racist thugs rampaging through British streets?
The Times is told that both the Foreign Office and Number 10 were aware of the Bloomberg front up message on Tuesday morning
Government sources say that Starmer was not **aware** of the messages when he spoke at PMQs. This has yet to be confirmed on the record by No 10
This is the best timetable we've been able to pull together from multiple sources in government
I'm told that there are several different timelines circulating in government which are still being worked on
Number 10 and the foreign office will now come under mounting pressure to disclose exactly what it knew, and more importantly who knew, about the emails
There is something odd about this Mandelson/Epstein business. If Bloomberg has a cache of 18,000 emails from Epstein, why did they run with Mandelson rather than any prominent American figures? Why no Americans alongside Mandelson?
Mandleson is a story here. He isn't significant in America and they are interested in other people.
Incidentally that 18000 works out as less than 3 a day. I anticipate there are many more out there.
I can see that Mandelson is newsworthy but Bloomberg is an American company. Are there really no prominent Americans?
I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.
It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.
Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
Genuine question, why did it make you embarrassed to be British? This sort of shit, and often worse, happens all over the world, in France, Germany, Sweden, the crazy activities in the US.
Do we have some inherent moral make up that makes us “better” than foreigners so that we alone should not have far right violent people in our population?
I would get you being embarrassed to be a human but don’t get why you should feel embarrassed to be British, especially how on the large scale of things we are at the top of the table for inclusivity by surveys on that sort of thing.
Unlike those other countries we have a tendency to take our thuggery on tour, as the Magalluf comment above references. That’s what tends to make me embarrassed to be British, not so much what happens domestically.
And the German equivalent of Magaluf is notoriously exactly the same as Magaluf in drunk violence and grim behaviour, we just don’t often read about it here.
Should Muslims feel embarrassed about being Muslim when Islamo-fascists commit terror atrocities? Of course not. Every country and creed has their arseholes and they are always a minority and unless you feel that the British are more virtuous than others then there should be no need to feel embarrassed about being British.
Should we feel embarrassed? I don’t know. Do we feel embarrassed? Yes. Don’t you? Do many Muslims feel embarrassed when their co religionists are committing havoc? Yes they bloody do!
Now we see the madness of NATO refusing to defend every inch of its airspace. We now have regular, likely soon to be daily, incursions into NATO airspace by Russian weapons. They are not currently seeking to cause damage, but instead to disrupt. Now you have airports shutting down and economic damage. And this will persist. We could have reacted firmly and decisively, but instead we did nothing. And now we have consequences. There is no scenario where Russia would have been offended by NATO defending its airspace from day one. But NATO decided to stick to this holier than thou, turning the other cheek approach, letting Russian weapons fly into NATO territory and pretending it did not matter. It mattered then. It matters now. And we live with the negative consequences. And what is your plan going forward? Now it has escalated past the point of random accidents, or Russia rerouting attacks around air defense. Now it is brazen attacks, and now what? Now the response is vastly more complicated, and with a lot more downside risk. Shooting down wayward Shaheds was easy. Now the problem is very complicated, and costing a lot of money. https://x.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1966891940584063374
War by Russia without declaration.
Although, the various "unexplained" explosions at European weapons manufacture and storage sites would likely have justified it.
I see our crowd of patriots are inviting a foreign billionaire to incite the overthrow of our government and threaten "violence is going to come to you." Makes you proud to be British.
EXCLUSIVE: Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson lived with his transgender partner, sources tell me.
The individual, who is a male transitioning to a female, is fully cooperating with the FBI.
Sources tell me the FBI had texts and other communications between Robinson and the individual that helped FBI authorities solidify that Robinson was indeed the shooter.
I mean the whole bulge/OwO thing was a giveaway that he was in the queer/transgender/furry sphere so this shouldn't be a surprise.
As I said yesterday, when the evidence comes out we're likely going to see a kid who grew up in a conservative family, rebelled in his teenage years and then radicalised in his early 20s to become a hard left terrorist who thinks shooting people who he disagreed with is all good.
To me this is a problem of gun control and lack of insane asylums and his parents not being able to spot the signs of radicalisation. At least from an immediate "how do we stop this from happening again" perspective. From an education and "how do we change our culture so that people don't meet words with bullets" it's way more difficult and I definitely don't have the answers but it's got to start at schools and making platforms accountable for the kind of hateful stuff we've seen from the left calling for such and such "next" including his wife, other right wing commentators and not moderating calls to violence.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if we end up seeing that this bastard has been watching Hasan Piker and other hard left commentators who regularly call for violence against political opponents.
EXCLUSIVE: Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson lived with his transgender partner, sources tell me.
The individual, who is a male transitioning to a female, is fully cooperating with the FBI.
Sources tell me the FBI had texts and other communications between Robinson and the individual that helped FBI authorities solidify that Robinson was indeed the shooter.
I mean the whole bulge/OwO thing was a giveaway that he was in the queer/transgender/furry sphere so this shouldn't be a surprise.
As I said yesterday, when the evidence comes out we're likely going to see a kid who grew up in a conservative family, rebelled in his teenage years and then radicalised in his early 20s to become a hard left terrorist who thinks shooting people who he disagreed with is all good.
To me this is a problem of gun control and lack of insane asylums and his parents not being able to spot the signs of radicalisation. At least from an immediate "how do we stop this from happening again" perspective. From an education and "how do we change our culture so that people don't meet words with bullets" it's way more difficult and I definitely don't have the answers but it's got to start at schools and making platforms accountable for the kind of hateful stuff we've seen from the left calling for such and such "next" including his wife, other right wing commentators and not moderating calls to violence.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if we end up seeing that this bastard has been watching Hasan Piker and other hard left commentators who regularly call for violence against political opponents.
That's odd. It's usually the parents' responsibility.
I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.
It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.
Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
Genuine question, why did it make you embarrassed to be British? This sort of shit, and often worse, happens all over the world, in France, Germany, Sweden, the crazy activities in the US.
Do we have some inherent moral make up that makes us “better” than foreigners so that we alone should not have far right violent people in our population?
I would get you being embarrassed to be a human but don’t get why you should feel embarrassed to be British, especially how on the large scale of things we are at the top of the table for inclusivity by surveys on that sort of thing.
Unlike those other countries we have a tendency to take our thuggery on tour, as the Magalluf comment above references. That’s what tends to make me embarrassed to be British, not so much what happens domestically.
And the German equivalent of Magaluf is notoriously exactly the same as Magaluf in drunk violence and grim behaviour, we just don’t often read about it here.
Should Muslims feel embarrassed about being Muslim when Islamo-fascists commit terror atrocities? Of course not. Every country and creed has their arseholes and they are always a minority and unless you feel that the British are more virtuous than others then there should be no need to feel embarrassed about being British.
Should we feel embarrassed? I don’t know. Do we feel embarrassed? Yes. Don’t you? Do many Muslims feel embarrassed when their co religionists are committing havoc? Yes they bloody do!
I don’t feel embarrassed to be British due to their behaviour, I think they are dicks but I also, as I imagine you and everyone here, know that they don’t really represent the majority of people and every country has such people, and worse. I don’t judge the French based on their rioters for example.
I see our crowd of patriots are inviting a foreign billionaire to incite the overthrow of our government and threaten "violence is coming to you." Makes you proud to be British.
I see our crowd of patriots are inviting a foreign billionaire to incite the overthrow of our government and threaten "violence is coming to you." Makes you proud to be British.
I see our crowd of patriots are inviting a foreign billionaire to incite the overthrow of our government and threaten "violence is coming to you." Makes you proud to be British.
The right would go into meltdown if the situation was reversed . And then have the gall to lecture lefties about patriotism.
Tommeh's fans attacking police. There could be at least 200,000 .
Get the water cannons out
If it's like the weather in Far East London, God has been doing His best.
It’s rather sunny in North Durham. Although it did rain earlier and I had to get the washing in,
Post of the year!
There’s still just over three months to go but I’m hoping to win 👍
Sounds like Musk is calling for the government to be overthrown by violent means.
January 6th all over again. The Americans will pay a terrible price for failing to deal with that promptly and properly. Because of the consequential re-election of Trump the whole world is paying for that failure.
I think Elon's referring to the British government.
Of course he is. But the precedent is January 6th and the attempt to overturn the constitution of the United States defeating democracy. He wants the same nonsense here.
It is even posher than when I was last here. So much pink and orange denim. £700 loafers. Ginger haired Italians from the north who could be well dressed Scots
EXCLUSIVE: Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson lived with his transgender partner, sources tell me.
The individual, who is a male transitioning to a female, is fully cooperating with the FBI.
Sources tell me the FBI had texts and other communications between Robinson and the individual that helped FBI authorities solidify that Robinson was indeed the shooter.
I mean the whole bulge/OwO thing was a giveaway that he was in the queer/transgender/furry sphere so this shouldn't be a surprise.
As I said yesterday, when the evidence comes out we're likely going to see a kid who grew up in a conservative family, rebelled in his teenage years and then radicalised in his early 20s to become a hard left terrorist who thinks shooting people who he disagreed with is all good.
To me this is a problem of gun control and lack of insane asylums and his parents not being able to spot the signs of radicalisation. At least from an immediate "how do we stop this from happening again" perspective. From an education and "how do we change our culture so that people don't meet words with bullets" it's way more difficult and I definitely don't have the answers but it's got to start at schools and making platforms accountable for the kind of hateful stuff we've seen from the left calling for such and such "next" including his wife, other right wing commentators and not moderating calls to violence.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if we end up seeing that this bastard has been watching Hasan Piker and other hard left commentators who regularly call for violence against political opponents.
EXCLUSIVE: Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson lived with his transgender partner, sources tell me.
The individual, who is a male transitioning to a female, is fully cooperating with the FBI.
Sources tell me the FBI had texts and other communications between Robinson and the individual that helped FBI authorities solidify that Robinson was indeed the shooter.
I mean the whole bulge/OwO thing was a giveaway that he was in the queer/transgender/furry sphere so this shouldn't be a surprise.
As I said yesterday, when the evidence comes out we're likely going to see a kid who grew up in a conservative family, rebelled in his teenage years and then radicalised in his early 20s to become a hard left terrorist who thinks shooting people who he disagreed with is all good.
To me this is a problem of gun control and lack of insane asylums and his parents not being able to spot the signs of radicalisation. At least from an immediate "how do we stop this from happening again" perspective. From an education and "how do we change our culture so that people don't meet words with bullets" it's way more difficult and I definitely don't have the answers but it's got to start at schools and making platforms accountable for the kind of hateful stuff we've seen from the left calling for such and such "next" including his wife, other right wing commentators and not moderating calls to violence.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if we end up seeing that this bastard has been watching Hasan Piker and other hard left commentators who regularly call for violence against political opponents.
That's odd. It's usually the parents' responsibility.
Well I did say that it's up to the parents to be better able to spot the signs of radicalisation and then report that to the relevant authorities. Ultimate this man was an adult, I don't see what his parents could really do to prevent him from searching out and watching content that directly or indirectly calls for violence against political opponents. Not even the first amendment covers speech that incites violence and making platforms legally liable for moderating users who regularly call for violence or put bounties on those who disagree with them has to be considered? I know you're trying to be facetious but this was a 22 year old man probably watching endless content calling for the violent action against political opponents, not a 14 year old kid trying to get a look at some tits. They aren't the same thing.
I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.
It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.
Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
Bad enough in this country. I remember being in Magaluf. It was like going to a zoo without bars. And looking at the violent tattooed drunks aggressively staggering around the streets made me feel equally ashamed.
It's the other way round for me. I feel ashamed that these people are British
That's exactly what meant. I am sure most countries have scum. But we seem to have more than our fair share of it.
Our "scum" were great at acquiring and keeping an empire.
Rather lost without it.
As Wellington didn't quite say:
"I don't know what effect these men will have upon the enemy, but by God, they frighten me."
I see our crowd of patriots are inviting a foreign billionaire to incite the overthrow of our government and threaten "violence is coming to you." Makes you proud to be British.
The right would go into meltdown if the situation was reversed . And then have the gall to lecture lefties about patriotism.
Very true (as a righty), if AOC (just trying to think of a US lefty) was addressing a PA rally there would be plenty of people telling her to mind their own business and sort out her own country’s problems first.
EXCLUSIVE: Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson lived with his transgender partner, sources tell me.
The individual, who is a male transitioning to a female, is fully cooperating with the FBI.
Sources tell me the FBI had texts and other communications between Robinson and the individual that helped FBI authorities solidify that Robinson was indeed the shooter.
I mean the whole bulge/OwO thing was a giveaway that he was in the queer/transgender/furry sphere so this shouldn't be a surprise.
As I said yesterday, when the evidence comes out we're likely going to see a kid who grew up in a conservative family, rebelled in his teenage years and then radicalised in his early 20s to become a hard left terrorist who thinks shooting people who he disagreed with is all good.
To me this is a problem of gun control and lack of insane asylums and his parents not being able to spot the signs of radicalisation. At least from an immediate "how do we stop this from happening again" perspective. From an education and "how do we change our culture so that people don't meet words with bullets" it's way more difficult and I definitely don't have the answers but it's got to start at schools and making platforms accountable for the kind of hateful stuff we've seen from the left calling for such and such "next" including his wife, other right wing commentators and not moderating calls to violence.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if we end up seeing that this bastard has been watching Hasan Piker and other hard left commentators who regularly call for violence against political opponents.
EXCLUSIVE: Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson lived with his transgender partner, sources tell me.
The individual, who is a male transitioning to a female, is fully cooperating with the FBI.
Sources tell me the FBI had texts and other communications between Robinson and the individual that helped FBI authorities solidify that Robinson was indeed the shooter.
I mean the whole bulge/OwO thing was a giveaway that he was in the queer/transgender/furry sphere so this shouldn't be a surprise.
As I said yesterday, when the evidence comes out we're likely going to see a kid who grew up in a conservative family, rebelled in his teenage years and then radicalised in his early 20s to become a hard left terrorist who thinks shooting people who he disagreed with is all good.
To me this is a problem of gun control and lack of insane asylums and his parents not being able to spot the signs of radicalisation. At least from an immediate "how do we stop this from happening again" perspective. From an education and "how do we change our culture so that people don't meet words with bullets" it's way more difficult and I definitely don't have the answers but it's got to start at schools and making platforms accountable for the kind of hateful stuff we've seen from the left calling for such and such "next" including his wife, other right wing commentators and not moderating calls to violence.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if we end up seeing that this bastard has been watching Hasan Piker and other hard left commentators who regularly call for violence against political opponents.
That's odd. It's usually the parents' responsibility.
Well I did say that it's up to the parents to be better able to spot the signs of radicalisation and then report that to the relevant authorities. Ultimate this man was an adult, I don't see what his parents could really do to prevent him from searching out and watching content that directly or indirectly calls for violence against political opponents. Not even the first amendment covers speech that incites violence and making platforms legally liable for moderating users who regularly call for violence or put bounties on those who disagree with them has to be considered? I know you're trying to be facetious but this was a 22 year old man probably watching endless content calling for the violent action against political opponents, not a 14 year old kid trying to get a look at some tits. They aren't the same thing.
You've quite literally made up a scenario in your head about something on the other side of the world. Meanwhile. Foreigners are actually inciting a huge crowd to violence and insurrection in the UK. And you choose to be angry about one of them.
Musk speaks at the protest via video link. What a world we live in.
This fuckwit needs to focus on his businesses and not supporting these scumbags
If he ever comes to this country he needs to be arrested for this. Inciting violence and indeed insurrection. Right now he should be banned and so should his companies.
I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.
It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.
Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
Bad enough in this country. I remember being in Magaluf. It was like going to a zoo without bars. And looking at the violent tattooed drunks aggressively staggering around the streets made me feel equally ashamed.
It's the other way round for me. I feel ashamed that these people are British
That's exactly what meant. I am sure most countries have scum. But we seem to have more than our fair share of it.
Our "scum" were great at acquiring and keeping an empire.
Rather lost without it.
As Wellington didn't quite say:
"I don't know what effect these men will have upon the enemy, but by God, they frighten me."
Now there's no outlet. Just rampaging across Greece and Spain every year.
I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.
It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.
Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
Bad enough in this country. I remember being in Magaluf. It was like going to a zoo without bars. And looking at the violent tattooed drunks aggressively staggering around the streets made me feel equally ashamed.
It's the other way round for me. I feel ashamed that these people are British
That's exactly what meant. I am sure most countries have scum. But we seem to have more than our fair share of it.
Our "scum" were great at acquiring and keeping an empire.
Rather lost without it.
As Wellington didn't quite say:
"I don't know what effect these men will have upon the enemy, but by God, they frighten me."
I've had classes like that.
But to those on the democratic right who have been fluffing the undemocratic right...
Musk speaks at the protest via video link. What a world we live in.
This fuckwit needs to focus on his businesses and not supporting these scumbags
If he ever comes to this country he needs to be arrested for this. Inciting violence and indeed insurrection. Right now he should be banned and so should his companies.
Musk speaks at the protest via video link. What a world we live in.
This fuckwit needs to focus on his businesses and not supporting these scumbags
If he ever comes to this country he needs to be arrested for this. Inciting violence and indeed insurrection. Right now he should be banned and so should his companies.
I see our crowd of patriots are inviting a foreign billionaire to incite the overthrow of our government and threaten "violence is coming to you." Makes you proud to be British.
The right would go into meltdown if the situation was reversed . And then have the gall to lecture lefties about patriotism.
Very true (as a righty), if AOC (just trying to think of a US lefty) was addressing a PA rally there would be plenty of people telling her to mind their own business and sort out her own country’s problems first.
Can you imagine the furore in the USA if a high profile Brit was live screened into a rally and asked for US elections to remove Trump .
Musk speaks at the protest via video link. What a world we live in.
This fuckwit needs to focus on his businesses and not supporting these scumbags
If he ever comes to this country he needs to be arrested for this. Inciting violence and indeed insurrection. Right now he should be banned and so should his companies.
I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.
It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.
Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
Bad enough in this country. I remember being in Magaluf. It was like going to a zoo without bars. And looking at the violent tattooed drunks aggressively staggering around the streets made me feel equally ashamed.
It's the other way round for me. I feel ashamed that these people are British
That's exactly what meant. I am sure most countries have scum. But we seem to have more than our fair share of it.
Our "scum" were great at acquiring and keeping an empire.
Rather lost without it.
As Wellington didn't quite say:
"I don't know what effect these men will have upon the enemy, but by God, they frighten me."
And?
They are indeed scum. Drunken, violent, bigoted and racist. If that is the price of empire it is too high.
I see our crowd of patriots are inviting a foreign billionaire to incite the overthrow of our government and threaten "violence is coming to you." Makes you proud to be British.
The right would go into meltdown if the situation was reversed . And then have the gall to lecture lefties about patriotism.
Very true (as a righty), if AOC (just trying to think of a US lefty) was addressing a PA rally there would be plenty of people telling her to mind their own business and sort out her own country’s problems first.
The scary thing is Musk is the richest man in the world. So he can make it happen.
EXCLUSIVE: Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson lived with his transgender partner, sources tell me.
The individual, who is a male transitioning to a female, is fully cooperating with the FBI.
Sources tell me the FBI had texts and other communications between Robinson and the individual that helped FBI authorities solidify that Robinson was indeed the shooter.
I mean the whole bulge/OwO thing was a giveaway that he was in the queer/transgender/furry sphere so this shouldn't be a surprise.
As I said yesterday, when the evidence comes out we're likely going to see a kid who grew up in a conservative family, rebelled in his teenage years and then radicalised in his early 20s to become a hard left terrorist who thinks shooting people who he disagreed with is all good.
To me this is a problem of gun control and lack of insane asylums and his parents not being able to spot the signs of radicalisation. At least from an immediate "how do we stop this from happening again" perspective. From an education and "how do we change our culture so that people don't meet words with bullets" it's way more difficult and I definitely don't have the answers but it's got to start at schools and making platforms accountable for the kind of hateful stuff we've seen from the left calling for such and such "next" including his wife, other right wing commentators and not moderating calls to violence.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if we end up seeing that this bastard has been watching Hasan Piker and other hard left commentators who regularly call for violence against political opponents.
EXCLUSIVE: Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson lived with his transgender partner, sources tell me.
The individual, who is a male transitioning to a female, is fully cooperating with the FBI.
Sources tell me the FBI had texts and other communications between Robinson and the individual that helped FBI authorities solidify that Robinson was indeed the shooter.
I mean the whole bulge/OwO thing was a giveaway that he was in the queer/transgender/furry sphere so this shouldn't be a surprise.
As I said yesterday, when the evidence comes out we're likely going to see a kid who grew up in a conservative family, rebelled in his teenage years and then radicalised in his early 20s to become a hard left terrorist who thinks shooting people who he disagreed with is all good.
To me this is a problem of gun control and lack of insane asylums and his parents not being able to spot the signs of radicalisation. At least from an immediate "how do we stop this from happening again" perspective. From an education and "how do we change our culture so that people don't meet words with bullets" it's way more difficult and I definitely don't have the answers but it's got to start at schools and making platforms accountable for the kind of hateful stuff we've seen from the left calling for such and such "next" including his wife, other right wing commentators and not moderating calls to violence.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if we end up seeing that this bastard has been watching Hasan Piker and other hard left commentators who regularly call for violence against political opponents.
That's odd. It's usually the parents' responsibility.
Well I did say that it's up to the parents to be better able to spot the signs of radicalisation and then report that to the relevant authorities. Ultimate this man was an adult, I don't see what his parents could really do to prevent him from searching out and watching content that directly or indirectly calls for violence against political opponents. Not even the first amendment covers speech that incites violence and making platforms legally liable for moderating users who regularly call for violence or put bounties on those who disagree with them has to be considered? I know you're trying to be facetious but this was a 22 year old man probably watching endless content calling for the violent action against political opponents, not a 14 year old kid trying to get a look at some tits. They aren't the same thing.
You've quite literally made up a scenario in your head about something on the other side of the world. Meanwhile. Foreigners are actually inciting a huge crowd to violence and insurrection in the UK. And you choose to be angry about one of them.
And yet the most recent examples of MP intimidation have come from the hard left Gaza idiots against moderate Labour MPs. Pull the other one.
I see our crowd of patriots are inviting a foreign billionaire to incite the overthrow of our government and threaten "violence is coming to you." Makes you proud to be British.
The right would go into meltdown if the situation was reversed . And then have the gall to lecture lefties about patriotism.
Very true (as a righty), if AOC (just trying to think of a US lefty) was addressing a PA rally there would be plenty of people telling her to mind their own business and sort out her own country’s problems first.
Can you imagine the furore in the USA if a high profile Brit was live screened into a rally and asked for US elections to remove Trump .
They weren’t overly enamoured by the Guardian stunt in 2004 ago where they asked readers to write letters to voters in Ohio to inform them why they should vote for the democrats.
I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.
It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.
Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
Bad enough in this country. I remember being in Magaluf. It was like going to a zoo without bars. And looking at the violent tattooed drunks aggressively staggering around the streets made me feel equally ashamed.
It's the other way round for me. I feel ashamed that these people are British
That's exactly what meant. I am sure most countries have scum. But we seem to have more than our fair share of it.
Our "scum" were great at acquiring and keeping an empire.
Rather lost without it.
As Wellington didn't quite say:
"I don't know what effect these men will have upon the enemy, but by God, they frighten me."
And?
They are indeed scum. Drunken, violent, bigoted and racist. If that is the price of empire it is too high.
How do you honestly expect the British working classes to react given what they have endured the last 20-30 years. We know the government lives in fear of open war on our streets. They say exactly that, time and again. “For the sake of community relations” - ie “to avoid massive riots”
Why do they fear civic violence? Because they know what they have done to poor British people
Of course, it doesn’t affect an affluent middle class Scottish lawyer. Amazing
Musk speaks at the protest via video link. What a world we live in.
This fuckwit needs to focus on his businesses and not supporting these scumbags
If he ever comes to this country he needs to be arrested for this. Inciting violence and indeed insurrection. Right now he should be banned and so should his companies.
There's surely a case now to have Musk proscribed as some sort of terrorist organization. If so, shouldn't his companies be regarded as instruments of funding? How would that work?
Labour MPs need to demand the puppet master in No 10 goes . Morgan McSweeney is clearly a moron and Starmer needs to get a grip and start acting like the PM which means making his own decisions .
I see our crowd of patriots are inviting a foreign billionaire to incite the overthrow of our government and threaten "violence is coming to you." Makes you proud to be British.
The right would go into meltdown if the situation was reversed . And then have the gall to lecture lefties about patriotism.
Very true (as a righty), if AOC (just trying to think of a US lefty) was addressing a PA rally there would be plenty of people telling her to mind their own business and sort out her own country’s problems first.
Can you imagine the furore in the USA if a high profile Brit was live screened into a rally and asked for US elections to remove Trump .
I seem to remember in 2004 Guardian readers writing to Ohio voters telling them to reject Bush and vote for Kerry.
Politics is global to some extent now so ineveitably rightwingers and leftwingers and liberals globally will co operate
I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.
It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.
Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
Genuine question, why did it make you embarrassed to be British? This sort of shit, and often worse, happens all over the world, in France, Germany, Sweden, the crazy activities in the US.
Do we have some inherent moral make up that makes us “better” than foreigners so that we alone should not have far right violent people in our population?
I would get you being embarrassed to be a human but don’t get why you should feel embarrassed to be British, especially how on the large scale of things we are at the top of the table for inclusivity by surveys on that sort of thing.
That's a fair response.
Every society has its arseholes. It's when they run the place that you get to be embarrassed.
EXCLUSIVE: Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson lived with his transgender partner, sources tell me.
The individual, who is a male transitioning to a female, is fully cooperating with the FBI.
Sources tell me the FBI had texts and other communications between Robinson and the individual that helped FBI authorities solidify that Robinson was indeed the shooter.
I mean the whole bulge/OwO thing was a giveaway that he was in the queer/transgender/furry sphere so this shouldn't be a surprise.
As I said yesterday, when the evidence comes out we're likely going to see a kid who grew up in a conservative family, rebelled in his teenage years and then radicalised in his early 20s to become a hard left terrorist who thinks shooting people who he disagreed with is all good.
To me this is a problem of gun control and lack of insane asylums and his parents not being able to spot the signs of radicalisation. At least from an immediate "how do we stop this from happening again" perspective. From an education and "how do we change our culture so that people don't meet words with bullets" it's way more difficult and I definitely don't have the answers but it's got to start at schools and making platforms accountable for the kind of hateful stuff we've seen from the left calling for such and such "next" including his wife, other right wing commentators and not moderating calls to violence.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if we end up seeing that this bastard has been watching Hasan Piker and other hard left commentators who regularly call for violence against political opponents.
EXCLUSIVE: Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson lived with his transgender partner, sources tell me.
The individual, who is a male transitioning to a female, is fully cooperating with the FBI.
Sources tell me the FBI had texts and other communications between Robinson and the individual that helped FBI authorities solidify that Robinson was indeed the shooter.
I mean the whole bulge/OwO thing was a giveaway that he was in the queer/transgender/furry sphere so this shouldn't be a surprise.
As I said yesterday, when the evidence comes out we're likely going to see a kid who grew up in a conservative family, rebelled in his teenage years and then radicalised in his early 20s to become a hard left terrorist who thinks shooting people who he disagreed with is all good.
To me this is a problem of gun control and lack of insane asylums and his parents not being able to spot the signs of radicalisation. At least from an immediate "how do we stop this from happening again" perspective. From an education and "how do we change our culture so that people don't meet words with bullets" it's way more difficult and I definitely don't have the answers but it's got to start at schools and making platforms accountable for the kind of hateful stuff we've seen from the left calling for such and such "next" including his wife, other right wing commentators and not moderating calls to violence.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if we end up seeing that this bastard has been watching Hasan Piker and other hard left commentators who regularly call for violence against political opponents.
That's odd. It's usually the parents' responsibility.
Well I did say that it's up to the parents to be better able to spot the signs of radicalisation and then report that to the relevant authorities. Ultimate this man was an adult, I don't see what his parents could really do to prevent him from searching out and watching content that directly or indirectly calls for violence against political opponents. Not even the first amendment covers speech that incites violence and making platforms legally liable for moderating users who regularly call for violence or put bounties on those who disagree with them has to be considered? I know you're trying to be facetious but this was a 22 year old man probably watching endless content calling for the violent action against political opponents, not a 14 year old kid trying to get a look at some tits. They aren't the same thing.
You've quite literally made up a scenario in your head about something on the other side of the world. Meanwhile. Foreigners are actually inciting a huge crowd to violence and insurrection in the UK. And you choose to be angry about one of them.
And yet the most recent examples of MP intimidation have come from the hard left Gaza idiots against moderate Labour MPs. Pull the other one.
Unless you overthrow our democratically elected government, "Violence is going to come to you." Elon Musk. I'll leave you to ponder that.
A pretty shameful march. 100,000 fascists on the streets of London. Back to the days of Powell. If the Scots have any sense they'll have another go at independance.
Given Reform are now polling 15-20% in the latest Scottish polls, Scots are hardly immune to rightwing nationalism either. Indeed Reform poll better in Scotland than London, most of the protestors were bussed or trained in from the provinces
I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.
It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.
Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
Genuine question, why did it make you embarrassed to be British? This sort of shit, and often worse, happens all over the world, in France, Germany, Sweden, the crazy activities in the US.
Do we have some inherent moral make up that makes us “better” than foreigners so that we alone should not have far right violent people in our population?
I would get you being embarrassed to be a human but don’t get why you should feel embarrassed to be British, especially how on the large scale of things we are at the top of the table for inclusivity by surveys on that sort of thing.
The left love being embarrassed to be British - it's the ultimate virtue signal. Hilarious.
It is precisely because I love my country and I am proudly British that I get embarrassed by such behaviour.
If people are arseholes in other countries then I am much less bothered as they do not claim to speak for me.
I see our crowd of patriots are inviting a foreign billionaire to incite the overthrow of our government and threaten "violence is coming to you." Makes you proud to be British.
The right would go into meltdown if the situation was reversed . And then have the gall to lecture lefties about patriotism.
Very true (as a righty), if AOC (just trying to think of a US lefty) was addressing a PA rally there would be plenty of people telling her to mind their own business and sort out her own country’s problems first.
Can you imagine the furore in the USA if a high profile Brit was live screened into a rally and asked for US elections to remove Trump .
I seem to remember in 2004 Guardian readers writing to Ohio voters telling them to reject Bush and vote for Kerry.
Politics is global to some extent now so ineveitably rightwingers and leftwingers and liberals globally will co operate
A few letters which were ignored anyway compared to a racist Musk who owns the biggest social media platform and has millions to interfere with elections.
Musk speaks at the protest via video link. What a world we live in.
Sounds like Musk is calling for the government to be overthrown by violent means.
From The Guardian Live Blog:
"Elon Musk has addressed crowd attending the “unite the kingdom” march, via video link. He spoke to march leader, far-right activist Tommy Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, over the video call.
Musk claimed that a “dissolution of parliament” and a “change of Government” is needed in the UK. He said: “I really think that there’s got to be a change of Government in Britain. You can’t - we don’t have another four years, or whenever the next election is, it’s too long. Something’s got to be done. There’s got to be a dissolution of Parliament and a new vote held.”
Musk told the march rally: “My appeal is to British common sense, which is to look carefully around you and say ‘If this continues, what world will you be living in?’ “This is a message to the reasonable centre, the people who ordinarily wouldn’t get involved in politics, who just want to live their lives. They don’t want that, they’re quiet, they just go about their business.
“My message is to them: if this continues, that violence is going to come to you, you will have no choice. You’re in a fundamental situation here. Whether you choose violence or not, violence is coming to you. You either fight back or you die, that’s the truth, I think.”
The X owner told the crowd “the left are the party of murder”, referring to the death of Charlie Kirk. He said: “There’s so much violence on the left, with our friend Charlie Kirk getting murdered in cold blood this week and people on the left celebrating it openly. The left is the party of murder and celebrating murder. I mean, let that sink in for a minute, that’s who we’re dealing with here.”
Musk also said that the British public are “scared to exercise their free speech” and claimed the BBC was “complicit in the destruction of Britain”.
When they finished their conversation, Robinson said: “Not only are we in the fight right now, but we’re on the advance thanks to free speech being fought for, for us, by Elon Musk.”"
A pretty shameful march. 100,000 fascists on the streets of London. Back to the days of Powell. If the Scots have any sense they'll have another go at independance.
Given Reform are now polling 15-20% in the latest Scottish polls, Scots are hardly immune to rightwing nationalism either. Indeed Reform poll better in Scotland than London, most of the protestors were bussed or trained in from the provinces
Scottish independence would reduce the amount of sectarian violence in our union.
If I wasn’t so utterly lazy and had nothing better to do then I would love to go through Starmer’s attacks on Boris, Rishi etc about scandals and appointments whilst he was Loto. I imagine there would be a treasure trove of hypocritical and pompous bullshit.
I see our crowd of patriots are inviting a foreign billionaire to incite the overthrow of our government and threaten "violence is coming to you." Makes you proud to be British.
The right would go into meltdown if the situation was reversed . And then have the gall to lecture lefties about patriotism.
Very true (as a righty), if AOC (just trying to think of a US lefty) was addressing a PA rally there would be plenty of people telling her to mind their own business and sort out her own country’s problems first.
Can you imagine the furore in the USA if a high profile Brit was live screened into a rally and asked for US elections to remove Trump .
I seem to remember in 2004 Guardian readers writing to Ohio voters telling them to reject Bush and vote for Kerry.
Politics is global to some extent now so ineveitably rightwingers and leftwingers and liberals globally will co operate
Hmm. It certainly was a wildly misguided idea, but the Guardian wasn't exactly threatening people with civil war if they didn't vote their way, unlike what Elon Musk is doing now.
He is indeed a muppet of the first water. Is this really the best we can do?
Didn't you opt to sit on your hands in the election? Now you're complaining that Labour aren't up to the job. Sorry David this next 4 years of failure is on you and the other million Tory voters who sat on their hands and watched while Labour got handed a gigantic majority for a tiny number of votes. People like Leon bear some of the responsibility too for getting caught up in that idiotic attitude of "oh the Tories must be punished" without thinking about the consequences of that and voting for Labour knowing how much damage they would inflict on the nation.
I went out and campaigned, had doors shut in my face, got shouted at, sworn at and tried to make sure it wasn't a complete disaster because we all knew what Labour would do with untrammeled power and so it has happened.
Musk speaks at the protest via video link. What a world we live in.
Sounds like Musk is calling for the government to be overthrown by violent means.
From The Guardian Live Blog:
"Elon Musk has addressed crowd attending the “unite the kingdom” march, via video link. He spoke to march leader, far-right activist Tommy Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, over the video call.
Musk claimed that a “dissolution of parliament” and a “change of Government” is needed in the UK. He said: “I really think that there’s got to be a change of Government in Britain. You can’t - we don’t have another four years, or whenever the next election is, it’s too long. Something’s got to be done. There’s got to be a dissolution of Parliament and a new vote held.”
Musk told the march rally: “My appeal is to British common sense, which is to look carefully around you and say ‘If this continues, what world will you be living in?’ “This is a message to the reasonable centre, the people who ordinarily wouldn’t get involved in politics, who just want to live their lives. They don’t want that, they’re quiet, they just go about their business.
“My message is to them: if this continues, that violence is going to come to you, you will have no choice. You’re in a fundamental situation here. Whether you choose violence or not, violence is coming to you. You either fight back or you die, that’s the truth, I think.”
The X owner told the crowd “the left are the party of murder”, referring to the death of Charlie Kirk. He said: “There’s so much violence on the left, with our friend Charlie Kirk getting murdered in cold blood this week and people on the left celebrating it openly. The left is the party of murder and celebrating murder. I mean, let that sink in for a minute, that’s who we’re dealing with here.”
Musk also said that the British public are “scared to exercise their free speech” and claimed the BBC was “complicit in the destruction of Britain”.
When they finished their conversation, Robinson said: “Not only are we in the fight right now, but we’re on the advance thanks to free speech being fought for, for us, by Elon Musk.”"
A pretty shameful march. 100,000 fascists on the streets of London. Back to the days of Powell. If the Scots have any sense they'll have another go at independance.
Given Reform are now polling 15-20% in the latest Scottish polls, Scots are hardly immune to rightwing nationalism either. Indeed Reform poll better in Scotland than London, most of the protestors were bussed or trained in from the provinces
Scottish independence would reduce the amount of sectarian violence in our union.
Oh really? Given Russia has just invaded Ukraine a few decades after their union broke up and the increasing loathing of the SNP from many on the right even in Scotland I highly doubt it
WASHINGTON — Charlie Kirk’s alleged shooter Tyler Robinson was living with a transgender partner who was in the process of transitioning from a male to a female, a law enforcement source confirmed to The Post Saturday.
I see our crowd of patriots are inviting a foreign billionaire to incite the overthrow of our government and threaten "violence is coming to you." Makes you proud to be British.
The right would go into meltdown if the situation was reversed . And then have the gall to lecture lefties about patriotism.
Very true (as a righty), if AOC (just trying to think of a US lefty) was addressing a PA rally there would be plenty of people telling her to mind their own business and sort out her own country’s problems first.
Can you imagine the furore in the USA if a high profile Brit was live screened into a rally and asked for US elections to remove Trump .
I seem to remember in 2004 Guardian readers writing to Ohio voters telling them to reject Bush and vote for Kerry.
Politics is global to some extent now so ineveitably rightwingers and leftwingers and liberals globally will co operate
A few letters which were ignored anyway compared to a racist Musk who owns the biggest social media platform and has millions to interfere with elections.
WASHINGTON — Charlie Kirk’s alleged shooter Tyler Robinson was living with a transgender partner who was in the process of transitioning from a male to a female, a law enforcement source confirmed to The Post Saturday.
EXCLUSIVE: Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson lived with his transgender partner, sources tell me.
The individual, who is a male transitioning to a female, is fully cooperating with the FBI.
Sources tell me the FBI had texts and other communications between Robinson and the individual that helped FBI authorities solidify that Robinson was indeed the shooter.
I mean the whole bulge/OwO thing was a giveaway that he was in the queer/transgender/furry sphere so this shouldn't be a surprise.
As I said yesterday, when the evidence comes out we're likely going to see a kid who grew up in a conservative family, rebelled in his teenage years and then radicalised in his early 20s to become a hard left terrorist who thinks shooting people who he disagreed with is all good.
To me this is a problem of gun control and lack of insane asylums and his parents not being able to spot the signs of radicalisation. At least from an immediate "how do we stop this from happening again" perspective. From an education and "how do we change our culture so that people don't meet words with bullets" it's way more difficult and I definitely don't have the answers but it's got to start at schools and making platforms accountable for the kind of hateful stuff we've seen from the left calling for such and such "next" including his wife, other right wing commentators and not moderating calls to violence.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if we end up seeing that this bastard has been watching Hasan Piker and other hard left commentators who regularly call for violence against political opponents.
EXCLUSIVE: Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson lived with his transgender partner, sources tell me.
The individual, who is a male transitioning to a female, is fully cooperating with the FBI.
Sources tell me the FBI had texts and other communications between Robinson and the individual that helped FBI authorities solidify that Robinson was indeed the shooter.
I mean the whole bulge/OwO thing was a giveaway that he was in the queer/transgender/furry sphere so this shouldn't be a surprise.
As I said yesterday, when the evidence comes out we're likely going to see a kid who grew up in a conservative family, rebelled in his teenage years and then radicalised in his early 20s to become a hard left terrorist who thinks shooting people who he disagreed with is all good.
To me this is a problem of gun control and lack of insane asylums and his parents not being able to spot the signs of radicalisation. At least from an immediate "how do we stop this from happening again" perspective. From an education and "how do we change our culture so that people don't meet words with bullets" it's way more difficult and I definitely don't have the answers but it's got to start at schools and making platforms accountable for the kind of hateful stuff we've seen from the left calling for such and such "next" including his wife, other right wing commentators and not moderating calls to violence.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if we end up seeing that this bastard has been watching Hasan Piker and other hard left commentators who regularly call for violence against political opponents.
That's odd. It's usually the parents' responsibility.
Well I did say that it's up to the parents to be better able to spot the signs of radicalisation and then report that to the relevant authorities. Ultimate this man was an adult, I don't see what his parents could really do to prevent him from searching out and watching content that directly or indirectly calls for violence against political opponents. Not even the first amendment covers speech that incites violence and making platforms legally liable for moderating users who regularly call for violence or put bounties on those who disagree with them has to be considered? I know you're trying to be facetious but this was a 22 year old man probably watching endless content calling for the violent action against political opponents, not a 14 year old kid trying to get a look at some tits. They aren't the same thing.
You've quite literally made up a scenario in your head about something on the other side of the world. Meanwhile. Foreigners are actually inciting a huge crowd to violence and insurrection in the UK. And you choose to be angry about one of them.
And yet the most recent examples of MP intimidation have come from the hard left Gaza idiots against moderate Labour MPs. Pull the other one.
Unless you overthrow our democratically elected government, "Violence is going to come to you." Elon Musk. I'll leave you to ponder that.
I just read it and the context is that he's suggesting that the violence will come from the hard left and that moderates need to back an early election to avoid it. I mean it's pretty obvious that he's not telling that crowd to go out and kill people.
Musk speaks at the protest via video link. What a world we live in.
Sounds like Musk is calling for the government to be overthrown by violent means.
From The Guardian Live Blog:
"Elon Musk has addressed crowd attending the “unite the kingdom” march, via video link. He spoke to march leader, far-right activist Tommy Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, over the video call.
Musk claimed that a “dissolution of parliament” and a “change of Government” is needed in the UK. He said: “I really think that there’s got to be a change of Government in Britain. You can’t - we don’t have another four years, or whenever the next election is, it’s too long. Something’s got to be done. There’s got to be a dissolution of Parliament and a new vote held.”
Musk told the march rally: “My appeal is to British common sense, which is to look carefully around you and say ‘If this continues, what world will you be living in?’ “This is a message to the reasonable centre, the people who ordinarily wouldn’t get involved in politics, who just want to live their lives. They don’t want that, they’re quiet, they just go about their business.
“My message is to them: if this continues, that violence is going to come to you, you will have no choice. You’re in a fundamental situation here. Whether you choose violence or not, violence is coming to you. You either fight back or you die, that’s the truth, I think.”
The X owner told the crowd “the left are the party of murder”, referring to the death of Charlie Kirk. He said: “There’s so much violence on the left, with our friend Charlie Kirk getting murdered in cold blood this week and people on the left celebrating it openly. The left is the party of murder and celebrating murder. I mean, let that sink in for a minute, that’s who we’re dealing with here.”
Musk also said that the British public are “scared to exercise their free speech” and claimed the BBC was “complicit in the destruction of Britain”.
When they finished their conversation, Robinson said: “Not only are we in the fight right now, but we’re on the advance thanks to free speech being fought for, for us, by Elon Musk.”"
Is there a bye law that requires Robinson real name to be included every time he is mentioned? It’s profoundly weird.
Wooliedyed, who's real name is Dyedwoolie, agrees
I wonder if there is some issue with someone else of a similar name, in which case it's a way of identifying the Tommy Robinson in question unambiguously and neutrally.
WASHINGTON — Charlie Kirk’s alleged shooter Tyler Robinson was living with a transgender partner who was in the process of transitioning from a male to a female, a law enforcement source confirmed to The Post Saturday.
WASHINGTON — Charlie Kirk’s alleged shooter Tyler Robinson was living with a transgender partner who was in the process of transitioning from a male to a female, a law enforcement source confirmed to The Post Saturday.
I was working at 30 Millbank and was in the crowd outside, trying to return from lunch, when the tuition fees protest turned violent
I was about fifteen foot away from some thug who threw a large metal bin through the glass wall of Millbank Tower lobby, so decided not to go back to the office
I walked up Horseferry Road and had a few pints in The Barley Mow. It was full of people from the Home Office
Musk speaks at the protest via video link. What a world we live in.
Sounds like Musk is calling for the government to be overthrown by violent means.
From The Guardian Live Blog:
"Elon Musk has addressed crowd attending the “unite the kingdom” march, via video link. He spoke to march leader, far-right activist Tommy Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, over the video call.
Musk claimed that a “dissolution of parliament” and a “change of Government” is needed in the UK. He said: “I really think that there’s got to be a change of Government in Britain. You can’t - we don’t have another four years, or whenever the next election is, it’s too long. Something’s got to be done. There’s got to be a dissolution of Parliament and a new vote held.”
Musk told the march rally: “My appeal is to British common sense, which is to look carefully around you and say ‘If this continues, what world will you be living in?’ “This is a message to the reasonable centre, the people who ordinarily wouldn’t get involved in politics, who just want to live their lives. They don’t want that, they’re quiet, they just go about their business.
“My message is to them: if this continues, that violence is going to come to you, you will have no choice. You’re in a fundamental situation here. Whether you choose violence or not, violence is coming to you. You either fight back or you die, that’s the truth, I think.”
The X owner told the crowd “the left are the party of murder”, referring to the death of Charlie Kirk. He said: “There’s so much violence on the left, with our friend Charlie Kirk getting murdered in cold blood this week and people on the left celebrating it openly. The left is the party of murder and celebrating murder. I mean, let that sink in for a minute, that’s who we’re dealing with here.”
Musk also said that the British public are “scared to exercise their free speech” and claimed the BBC was “complicit in the destruction of Britain”.
When they finished their conversation, Robinson said: “Not only are we in the fight right now, but we’re on the advance thanks to free speech being fought for, for us, by Elon Musk.”"
Is there a bye law that requires Robinson real name to be included every time he is mentioned? It’s profoundly weird.
Wooliedyed, who's real name is Dyedwoolie, agrees
I wonder if there is some issue with someone else of a similar name, in which case it's a way of identifying the Tommy Robinson in question unambiguously and neutrally.
I did read somewhere about it once upon a time. Its sll very weird
Tommeh's fans attacking police. There could be at least 200,000 .
Get the water cannons out
If it's like the weather in Far East London, God has been doing His best.
It’s rather sunny in North Durham. Although it did rain earlier and I had to get the washing in,
Post of the year!
There’s still just over three months to go but I’m hoping to win 👍
Sounds like Musk is calling for the government to be overthrown by violent means.
January 6th all over again. The Americans will pay a terrible price for failing to deal with that promptly and properly. Because of the consequential re-election of Trump the whole world is paying for that failure.
I think Elon's referring to the British government.
I think Elon is an arsehole who should stay out of our domestic politics.
I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.
It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.
Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
Genuine question, why did it make you embarrassed to be British? This sort of shit, and often worse, happens all over the world, in France, Germany, Sweden, the crazy activities in the US.
Do we have some inherent moral make up that makes us “better” than foreigners so that we alone should not have far right violent people in our population?
I would get you being embarrassed to be a human but don’t get why you should feel embarrassed to be British, especially how on the large scale of things we are at the top of the table for inclusivity by surveys on that sort of thing.
The left love being embarrassed to be British - it's the ultimate virtue signal. Hilarious.
It is precisely because I love my country and I am proudly British that I get embarrassed by such behaviour.
If people are arseholes in other countries then I am much less bothered as they do not claim to speak for me.
I am embarrassed by yobbish unpleasant behaviour.
I'm not embarrassed by exuberant displays of patriotism. People say the latter is 'not British' but that's not really a long term thing. Post-Victorian Britain went into a sort of mellow self-reflection that via WW1 and WW2 has morphed into a cultural cringe. Before that, we were a nation of patriotic flag-wavers.
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Do we have some inherent moral make up that makes us “better” than foreigners so that we alone should not have far right violent people in our population?
I would get you being embarrassed to be a human but don’t get why you should feel embarrassed to be British, especially how on the large scale of things we are at the top of the table for inclusivity by surveys on that sort of thing.
Incidentally that 18000 works out as less than 3 a day. I anticipate there are many more out there.
I'm not prepared to frequently insist, on an indefinite basis, that I'm not breaking the law. So I just let the letters pile up now.
In this case it's exacerbated by the fact they wrap themselves in the Union Flag.
The underlying point is that since Care in the Community and whatever is its American counterpart, there have been a lot more mentally ill people left to rot on the streets, and occasionally murder someone. Still, the British government and American insurance companies saved a bunch of money and we got some nice luxury flats at the old hospitals, so there's that. Lethal injections though? Is there a loophole in the 10 Commandments?
...which might be actual challenge with Starmer - even the most banal of us have something they are passionate about, whether it's trains or moths or whatever. Maybe it's Arsenal? Someone should ask him about the prospect of a Zubimendi/Rice double pivot.
You may be surprised to find that quite a large majority of the population, left, centre or right, get painfully and unavoidably embarrassed when our compatriots make us look stupid. It has nothing to do with virtue signalling.
Should Muslims feel embarrassed about being Muslim when Islamo-fascists commit terror atrocities? Of course not. Every country and creed has their arseholes and they are always a minority and unless you feel that the British are more virtuous than others then there should be no need to feel embarrassed about being British.
"Elon Musk has addressed crowd attending the “unite the kingdom” march, via video link. He spoke to march leader, far-right activist Tommy Robinson, whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, over the video call.
Musk claimed that a “dissolution of parliament” and a “change of Government” is needed in the UK. He said: “I really think that there’s got to be a change of Government in Britain. You can’t - we don’t have another four years, or whenever the next election is, it’s too long. Something’s got to be done. There’s got to be a dissolution of Parliament and a new vote held.”
Musk told the march rally: “My appeal is to British common sense, which is to look carefully around you and say ‘If this continues, what world will you be living in?’
“This is a message to the reasonable centre, the people who ordinarily wouldn’t get involved in politics, who just want to live their lives. They don’t want that, they’re quiet, they just go about their business.
“My message is to them: if this continues, that violence is going to come to you, you will have no choice. You’re in a fundamental situation here. Whether you choose violence or not, violence is coming to you. You either fight back or you die, that’s the truth, I think.”
The X owner told the crowd “the left are the party of murder”, referring to the death of Charlie Kirk. He said: “There’s so much violence on the left, with our friend Charlie Kirk getting murdered in cold blood this week and people on the left celebrating it openly. The left is the party of murder and celebrating murder. I mean, let that sink in for a minute, that’s who we’re dealing with here.”
Musk also said that the British public are “scared to exercise their free speech” and claimed the BBC was “complicit in the destruction of Britain”.
When they finished their conversation, Robinson said: “Not only are we in the fight right now, but we’re on the advance thanks to free speech being fought for, for us, by Elon Musk.”"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/sep/13/uk-politics-latest-news-unite-the-kingdom-march-far-right-rally-london-labour-keir-starmer
As I said yesterday, when the evidence comes out we're likely going to see a kid who grew up in a conservative family, rebelled in his teenage years and then radicalised in his early 20s to become a hard left terrorist who thinks shooting people who he disagreed with is all good.
To me this is a problem of gun control and lack of insane asylums and his parents not being able to spot the signs of radicalisation. At least from an immediate "how do we stop this from happening again" perspective. From an education and "how do we change our culture so that people don't meet words with bullets" it's way more difficult and I definitely don't have the answers but it's got to start at schools and making platforms accountable for the kind of hateful stuff we've seen from the left calling for such and such "next" including his wife, other right wing commentators and not moderating calls to violence.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised at all if we end up seeing that this bastard has been watching Hasan Piker and other hard left commentators who regularly call for violence against political opponents.
Although, the various "unexplained" explosions at European weapons manufacture and storage sites would likely have justified it.
Makes you proud to be British.
It's usually the parents' responsibility.
(cue the song....)
Radio 4 comedy makes me embarrassed to be British. Sometimes it makes me embarrassed to be human
I can think of other things that make me genuinely ANGRY about being British, but I shall refrain from specifying
https://www.sugologone.it/en/
It is even posher than when I was last here. So much pink and orange denim. £700 loafers. Ginger haired Italians from the north who could be well dressed Scots
Linen. Perfect teeth. Emerald coloured spritzers
Rather lost without it.
As Wellington didn't quite say:
"I don't know what effect these men will have upon the enemy, but by God, they frighten me."
Meanwhile. Foreigners are actually inciting a huge crowd to violence and insurrection in the UK.
And you choose to be angry about one of them.
But to those on the democratic right who have been fluffing the undemocratic right...
Do you still think you can control them?
@Gabriel_Pogrund
NEW🚨Keir Starmer received official two-page document detailing Peter Mandelson's friendship with Jeffrey Epstein before making him US ambassador
Cab Office propriety & ethics team report said contact postdated conviction
PM did not change stance
https://x.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1966912404601938100
They are indeed scum. Drunken, violent, bigoted and racist. If that is the price of empire it is too high.
Just curious...
Whoops part 59
Why do they fear civic violence? Because they know what they have done to poor British people
Of course, it doesn’t affect an affluent middle class Scottish lawyer. Amazing
Politics is global to some extent now so ineveitably rightwingers and leftwingers and liberals globally will co operate
Every society has its arseholes. It's when they run the place that you get to be embarrassed.
I'll leave you to ponder that.
If people are arseholes in other countries then I am much less bothered as they do not claim to speak for me.
I hope Trump's doctors have been accurate in permitting him to fly.
I went out and campaigned, had doors shut in my face, got shouted at, sworn at and tried to make sure it wasn't a complete disaster because we all knew what Labour would do with untrammeled power and so it has happened.
WASHINGTON — Charlie Kirk’s alleged shooter Tyler Robinson was living with a transgender partner who was in the process of transitioning from a male to a female, a law enforcement source confirmed to The Post Saturday.
https://nypost.com/2025/09/13/us-news/charlie-kirk-shooter-tyler-robinson-lived-with-transgender-partner/
Can we put this to bed now? He’s an antifa lefty inspired by pro-trans beliefs to kill a “fascist and transphobe” AKA Charlie Kirk
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/2024/10/30/kamala-harris-has-more-billionaires-prominently-backing-her-than-trump-bezos-and-griffin-weigh-in-updated/
It’s not a hard thing to discover. “Who was this guy living with”
I was about fifteen foot away from some thug who threw a large metal bin through the glass wall of Millbank Tower lobby, so decided not to go back to the office
I walked up Horseferry Road and had a few pints in The Barley Mow. It was full of people from the Home Office
I'm not embarrassed by exuberant displays of patriotism. People say the latter is 'not British' but that's not really a long term thing. Post-Victorian Britain went into a sort of mellow self-reflection that via WW1 and WW2 has morphed into a cultural cringe. Before that, we were a nation of patriotic flag-wavers.