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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,066

    Nigelb said:

    The UK is considering buying American-made stand-off weapons as an interim capability for F-35.

    Integration of Spear 3 and Meteor has slipped until the early 2030s.

    https://x.com/UKForcesTracker/status/1966398413144027266

    If ever.
    The F35 purchase, and the carriers which justified it, were a dreadful decision for UK defence capacity.

    Now we're going to be forced to spend more billions on US kit to make the F35B semi-useful.

    During the Brexit negotiations I mooted the idea of trying to break the deadlock by giving the EU one of those carriers as the EU Navy flagship. A symbolical sacrifice and act of penance to soothe the savage breast. All we'd have lost is a white elephant, and they could have felt good by hanging it with star spangled bunting.
    Certainly not your daftest idea.
    But little point is giving one; both would have made sense.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,460

    Nigelb said:

    The UK is considering buying American-made stand-off weapons as an interim capability for F-35.

    Integration of Spear 3 and Meteor has slipped until the early 2030s.

    https://x.com/UKForcesTracker/status/1966398413144027266

    If ever.
    The F35 purchase, and the carriers which justified it, were a dreadful decision for UK defence capacity.

    Now we're going to be forced to spend more billions on US kit to make the F35B semi-useful.

    During the Brexit negotiations I mooted the idea of trying to break the deadlock by giving the EU one of those carriers as the EU Navy flagship. A symbolical sacrifice and act of penance to soothe the savage breast. All we'd have lost is a white elephant, and they could have felt good by hanging it with star spangled bunting.
    No point really, if that's any consolation. The RN really need two to be sure of having at least one in use eg when the other has broken down and is being rebuilt sorry is under planned maintenance. Sure, the matelots, roof rats and plane jockeys have training courses, self-maintenance, leave, etc. as well, but it does leave a big gap in coverage if there is one only.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,114
    Scott_xP said:

    Friday afternoon

    The Times is told that both the Foreign Office and Number 10 were aware of the Bloomberg front up message on Tuesday morning

    Government sources say that Starmer was not **aware** of the messages when he spoke at PMQs. This has yet to be confirmed on the record by No 10

    This is the best timetable we've been able to pull together from multiple sources in government

    I'm told that there are several different timelines circulating in government which are still being worked on

    Number 10 and the foreign office will now come under mounting pressure to disclose exactly what it knew, and more importantly who knew, about the emails

    It comes down to Mandelson should not have been appointed in the first place
  • isamisam Posts: 42,577
    edited 2:53PM

    Scott_xP said:

    Friday afternoon

    The Times is told that both the Foreign Office and Number 10 were aware of the Bloomberg front up message on Tuesday morning

    Government sources say that Starmer was not **aware** of the messages when he spoke at PMQs. This has yet to be confirmed on the record by No 10

    This is the best timetable we've been able to pull together from multiple sources in government

    I'm told that there are several different timelines circulating in government which are still being worked on

    Number 10 and the foreign office will now come under mounting pressure to disclose exactly what it knew, and more importantly who knew, about the emails

    It comes down to Mandelson should not have been appointed in the first place
    With his shady background and history of fibbing, Mandy could be considered Labour's Boris; strange then that Sir Keir, who made piety, honesty, character and so on the cornerstone of his sanctimonious assaults on Johnson, employed Mandelson. Well, it would be strange if you hadn't noticed Starmer has always been a hypocritical snide, the political equivalent of a bent copper.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,869
    Carnyx said:



    Nigelb said:

    The UK is considering buying American-made stand-off weapons as an interim capability for F-35.

    Integration of Spear 3 and Meteor has slipped until the early 2030s.

    https://x.com/UKForcesTracker/status/1966398413144027266

    If ever.
    The F35 purchase, and the carriers which justified it, were a dreadful decision for UK defence capacity.

    Now we're going to be forced to spend more billions on US kit to make the F35B semi-useful.

    During the Brexit negotiations I mooted the idea of trying to break the deadlock by giving the EU one of those carriers as the EU Navy flagship. A symbolical sacrifice and act of penance to soothe the savage breast. All we'd have lost is a white elephant, and they could have felt good by hanging it with star spangled bunting.
    No point really, if that's any consolation. The RN really need two to be sure of having at least one in use eg when the other has broken down and is being rebuilt sorry is under planned maintenance. Sure, the matelots, roof rats and plane jockeys have training courses, self-maintenance, leave, etc. as well, but it does leave a big gap in coverage if there is one only.
    The French rely heavily on others when their one carrier is down for maintenance. IIRC they are reliant on the US Navy for landing training.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 7,076
    Gadfly said:

    How the flying feck do Capita/ TV Licencing get away with this?
    I get at least one dodgy letter a month from them, but this is pure bollocks.


    I keep an eye on a TV free second home that belongs to a friend. He has been receiving monthly letters for over 26 years, but as far as we know, none of the frequently threatened visits has ever occurred.
    I had a visit once! So they do exist.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,688

    Scott_xP said:

    Friday afternoon

    The Times is told that both the Foreign Office and Number 10 were aware of the Bloomberg front up message on Tuesday morning

    Government sources say that Starmer was not **aware** of the messages when he spoke at PMQs. This has yet to be confirmed on the record by No 10

    This is the best timetable we've been able to pull together from multiple sources in government

    I'm told that there are several different timelines circulating in government which are still being worked on

    Number 10 and the foreign office will now come under mounting pressure to disclose exactly what it knew, and more importantly who knew, about the emails

    It comes down to Mandelson should not have been appointed in the first place
    To be fair ISTR that quite a lot of people thought it was a good idea at the time.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,114

    Scott_xP said:

    Friday afternoon

    The Times is told that both the Foreign Office and Number 10 were aware of the Bloomberg front up message on Tuesday morning

    Government sources say that Starmer was not **aware** of the messages when he spoke at PMQs. This has yet to be confirmed on the record by No 10

    This is the best timetable we've been able to pull together from multiple sources in government

    I'm told that there are several different timelines circulating in government which are still being worked on

    Number 10 and the foreign office will now come under mounting pressure to disclose exactly what it knew, and more importantly who knew, about the emails

    It comes down to Mandelson should not have been appointed in the first place
    To be fair ISTR that quite a lot of people thought it was a good idea at the time.
    I doubt they do now though
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,141
    The Guardian aerial footage of Tommy’s rally is startling It’s huge. Much bigger than I expected TBF
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,114
    Leon said:

    The Guardian aerial footage of Tommy’s rally is startling It’s huge. Much bigger than I expected TBF

    Met police estimates around 110,000
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 818

    How the flying feck do Capita/ TV Licencing get away with this?
    I get at least one dodgy letter a month from them, but this is pure bollocks.


    It's infuriating. I get letters like that, and worse, regularly. If a private individual behaved like this they're rightly be open to a charge of demanding money with menaces.

    I suspect there are lots of older and vulnerable people paying for licences they don't need because of these risible threats.
    I once logged into Iplayer when I was staying over at someone else's licensed address, for the first time since I'd last had a licence a decade or so before. I got some threatening emails afterwards from TV Licensing and I wrote back to them, told them I was at someone else's licensed address and could they provide me with the IP address by way of evidence. They wrote a really weird but very carefully worded email that still asked me to pay, didn't mention at all that I didn't have to, but also told me that they couldn't provide the IP address due to data protection as it was not my IP address. It was an absolute work of art by whatever poor sod has the job of responding to emails. I'd love to see their guidance.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,585
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    The UK is considering buying American-made stand-off weapons as an interim capability for F-35.

    Integration of Spear 3 and Meteor has slipped until the early 2030s.

    https://x.com/UKForcesTracker/status/1966398413144027266

    If ever.
    The F35 purchase, and the carriers which justified it, were a dreadful decision for UK defence capacity.

    Now we're going to be forced to spend more billions on US kit to make the F35B semi-useful.

    During the Brexit negotiations I mooted the idea of trying to break the deadlock by giving the EU one of those carriers as the EU Navy flagship. A symbolical sacrifice and act of penance to soothe the savage breast. All we'd have lost is a white elephant, and they could have felt good by hanging it with star spangled bunting.
    Certainly not your daftest idea.
    But little point is giving one; both would have made sense.
    Yes, we could have played hard to get and then given both. They're both a bloody millstone. But in the context of giving the EU a glittering prize, quite fitting. And good for them discouraging others to leave - "You can leave but only if you give us two shiny aircraft carriers".
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,971

    Scott_xP said:

    Friday afternoon

    The Times is told that both the Foreign Office and Number 10 were aware of the Bloomberg front up message on Tuesday morning

    Government sources say that Starmer was not **aware** of the messages when he spoke at PMQs. This has yet to be confirmed on the record by No 10

    This is the best timetable we've been able to pull together from multiple sources in government

    I'm told that there are several different timelines circulating in government which are still being worked on

    Number 10 and the foreign office will now come under mounting pressure to disclose exactly what it knew, and more importantly who knew, about the emails

    It comes down to Mandelson should not have been appointed in the first place
    Not in my opinion, but since he was appointed with all that history behind him, then SKS should have stuck to his guns and said this last lot of 'revelations' was just more of the same & he's still the man for the job.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,124

    Leon said:

    The Guardian aerial footage of Tommy’s rally is startling It’s huge. Much bigger than I expected TBF

    Met police estimates around 110,000
    Grok estimates at 200-500k in that video. Either way, it’s a big crowd.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,141

    Leon said:

    The Guardian aerial footage of Tommy’s rally is startling It’s huge. Much bigger than I expected TBF

    Met police estimates around 110,000
    These things are always gamed and argued, so I’ve no firm idea

    But it looks to me that it easily as big as biggest Palestine marches, which were estimated at 200-300,000. But I’ve had a long day and might be misremembering
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,288
    Scott_xP said:

    Friday afternoon

    The Times is told that both the Foreign Office and Number 10 were aware of the Bloomberg front up message on Tuesday morning

    Government sources say that Starmer was not **aware** of the messages when he spoke at PMQs. This has yet to be confirmed on the record by No 10

    This is the best timetable we've been able to pull together from multiple sources in government

    I'm told that there are several different timelines circulating in government which are still being worked on

    Number 10 and the foreign office will now come under mounting pressure to disclose exactly what it knew, and more importantly who knew, about the emails

    I can’t believe that Starmer, knowing he would inevitably be asked at PMQs, didn’t get in the FO people and his own team and demand to know everything they know that is possibly coming out later as referred to by Mandy so he could be certain about defending him strongly.

    So the denials of knowledge are either showing Starmer to be a liar or a cretin.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,878
    Leon said:

    The Guardian aerial footage of Tommy’s rally is startling It’s huge. Much bigger than I expected TBF

    Were you there? :)
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,878

    How the flying feck do Capita/ TV Licencing get away with this?
    I get at least one dodgy letter a month from them, but this is pure bollocks.


    Which part of it is bullshit?

    I just went to the /notv link and haven't had a letter since.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,971

    How the flying feck do Capita/ TV Licencing get away with this?
    I get at least one dodgy letter a month from them, but this is pure bollocks.


    Which part of it is bullshit?

    I just went to the /notv link and haven't had a letter since.
    In my experience they'll start messaging you again about 11 months after your declaration of notv. Maybe less. They need to make sure (and keep making sure) you're really really not watching anything they can tax you for.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,136
    edited 3:12PM
    algarkirk said:

    Stereodog said:

    Out of curiosity, have any PBers been on a protest march?

    Once, back, in the mid-90s, against a Tory threat to privatise Scottish Water.
    Tommy Sheridan led the march. I bought his book and he autographed it.
    Since then, I decided that when I am benevolent dictator of this country I will totally ignore protest marches, so I don't see the point of participating myself any more.
    I went to a school full of farmers children who were all taken out of school for the Countryside Alliance march. One of them snidely asked me what I did during the march and I told them I'd been breaking into farms. Didn't make me very popular.
    I know a number of people who have been on a demo exactly once. For one group it was the Countryside Alliance over fox hunting. The other group was against going to war with Iraq.

    IMHO both groups were right. Both drew large numbers from well outside the usual suspects.
    I have been on a number of protest marches over the years. Much like the protests that you describe, I can't recall any of them changing the policy we were protesting.

    Some changed the political atmosphere though.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,527
    Leon said:

    The Guardian aerial footage of Tommy’s rally is startling It’s huge. Much bigger than I expected TBF

    Yes, I’d have expected more like a couple of thousand.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,136
    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian aerial footage of Tommy’s rally is startling It’s huge. Much bigger than I expected TBF

    Met police estimates around 110,000
    Grok estimates at 200-500k in that video. Either way, it’s a big crowd.
    Grok. 'nuff said...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,066
    “Our employers told us it was ok… I will never visit 🇺🇸 again. It feels good to be free.”

    Hundreds of South Korean workers detained in shackles landed home, met by family who tearfully hugged them.

    Arrested building a factory to employ thousands.

    https://x.com/TheTNHoller/status/1966663752348033408
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,878
    AnneJGP said:

    How the flying feck do Capita/ TV Licencing get away with this?
    I get at least one dodgy letter a month from them, but this is pure bollocks.


    Which part of it is bullshit?

    I just went to the /notv link and haven't had a letter since.
    In my experience they'll start messaging you again about 11 months after your declaration of notv. Maybe less. They need to make sure (and keep making sure) you're really really not watching anything they can tax you for.
    I assume at that point I can go to the link again.

    If anyone ever did come to the door to check what I'm watching I'm pretty sure I'd just tell them to bugger off, though given some people are convicted I assume they do go to people's houses sometimes so its not an empty threat. How they get any evidence, unless they can see the TV from outside the house, is beyond me.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,066
    Lamont: We have something called Revolution Wind. It’s 80% complete and will likely power 300,000 to 400,000 homes by this time next year. It will dramatically bring down costs because it reduces those peak pricing times during very hot days in August or very cold days in January. We were almost done — and then, at the very last moment, Trump pulled the plug on it. Happy Labor Day: 500 of you are laid off. It’s the exact opposite of everything they had assured us up until then.
    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1966634280240771465
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,051
    Brilliant rugby match on right now. Canada and Australia level at 5-5 after ten minutes. Auatralia were 50-1 with Skybet before the game.

    Canada now 10-5 up. Maybe it's going to form after all.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,971
    Nigelb said:

    “Our employers told us it was ok… I will never visit 🇺🇸 again. It feels good to be free.”

    Hundreds of South Korean workers detained in shackles landed home, met by family who tearfully hugged them.

    Arrested building a factory to employ thousands.

    https://x.com/TheTNHoller/status/1966663752348033408

    Disgraceful. I presume it was OK when they were invited, then the boss man changed his mind.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,460

    AnneJGP said:

    How the flying feck do Capita/ TV Licencing get away with this?
    I get at least one dodgy letter a month from them, but this is pure bollocks.


    Which part of it is bullshit?

    I just went to the /notv link and haven't had a letter since.
    In my experience they'll start messaging you again about 11 months after your declaration of notv. Maybe less. They need to make sure (and keep making sure) you're really really not watching anything they can tax you for.
    I assume at that point I can go to the link again.

    If anyone ever did come to the door to check what I'm watching I'm pretty sure I'd just tell them to bugger off, though given some people are convicted I assume they do go to people's houses sometimes so its not an empty threat. How they get any evidence, unless they can see the TV from outside the house, is beyond me.
    Standard PB assumption, though, is that everyone is and can afford to be online and au fait with online stuff. By definition, else we wouldn't be here. But that isn't true of a lot of people.

    That letter does not give a postal or a telephone option for this wonderful ****ing link. By that reason alone - quite apart from the other things - it is harassment.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,971

    AnneJGP said:

    How the flying feck do Capita/ TV Licencing get away with this?
    I get at least one dodgy letter a month from them, but this is pure bollocks.


    Which part of it is bullshit?

    I just went to the /notv link and haven't had a letter since.
    In my experience they'll start messaging you again about 11 months after your declaration of notv. Maybe less. They need to make sure (and keep making sure) you're really really not watching anything they can tax you for.
    I assume at that point I can go to the link again.

    If anyone ever did come to the door to check what I'm watching I'm pretty sure I'd just tell them to bugger off, though given some people are convicted I assume they do go to people's houses sometimes so its not an empty threat. How they get any evidence, unless they can see the TV from outside the house, is beyond me.
    Last time I used the link, it insisted that you declare how you do watch this and that and the other. There was no way to answer None. I gave up trying and wrote them one last snail-mail.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,051
    AnneJGP said:

    AnneJGP said:

    How the flying feck do Capita/ TV Licencing get away with this?
    I get at least one dodgy letter a month from them, but this is pure bollocks.


    Which part of it is bullshit?

    I just went to the /notv link and haven't had a letter since.
    In my experience they'll start messaging you again about 11 months after your declaration of notv. Maybe less. They need to make sure (and keep making sure) you're really really not watching anything they can tax you for.
    I assume at that point I can go to the link again.

    If anyone ever did come to the door to check what I'm watching I'm pretty sure I'd just tell them to bugger off, though given some people are convicted I assume they do go to people's houses sometimes so its not an empty threat. How they get any evidence, unless they can see the TV from outside the house, is beyond me.
    Last time I used the link, it insisted that you declare how you do watch this and that and the other. There was no way to answer None. I gave up trying and wrote them one last snail-mail.
    So they're not prepared to believe you don't watch telly at all?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,878
    Nigelb said:

    “Our employers told us it was ok… I will never visit 🇺🇸 again. It feels good to be free.”

    Hundreds of South Korean workers detained in shackles landed home, met by family who tearfully hugged them.

    Arrested building a factory to employ thousands.

    https://x.com/TheTNHoller/status/1966663752348033408

    Sounds like the employers f***ed up. Construction is not permissible under the waiver program. Its for very limited activities like negotiating contracts.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,141
    Foxy said:

    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian aerial footage of Tommy’s rally is startling It’s huge. Much bigger than I expected TBF

    Met police estimates around 110,000
    Grok estimates at 200-500k in that video. Either way, it’s a big crowd.
    Grok. 'nuff said...
    Grok is quite Woke despite all Elon’s desperate tweaks

    So the guess is probably good

    Surely by a massive distance the largest march for a “hard right” cause the UK has ever seen
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,375
    Cookie said:

    Brilliant rugby match on right now. Canada and Australia level at 5-5 after ten minutes. Auatralia were 50-1 with Skybet before the game.

    Canada now 10-5 up. Maybe it's going to form after all.

    Looking like one-sided gruel now though. 24-5.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,086
    Whatever the number, I wish Tommy Robinson and his band of fascists would d f*ck off out of London. I had the misfortune to run into some of this trash with my young son on the tube this afternoon. Not pleasant!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,066
    Nigelb said:

    “Our employers told us it was ok… I will never visit 🇺🇸 again. It feels good to be free.”

    Hundreds of South Korean workers detained in shackles landed home, met by family who tearfully hugged them.

    Arrested building a factory to employ thousands.

    https://x.com/TheTNHoller/status/1966663752348033408

    This is a great thread.

    People need to understand why many South Koreans view what happened in Georgia as a betrayal.

    In the past, South Korea hedged between the U.S. and China (U.S. for security, China for economy). But at a certain point, Seoul stopped hedging, and it chose a side. It chose the U.S...

    https://x.com/koreanforeigner/status/1966730198805614868

    I recommend reading the whole thing.

    If the US continues with its policy of shitting on its allies, some of them may eventually decide that China is the lesser of two evils.

    “Trump has switched the United States’ role from global insurer to extractor of profit,” writes
    @AdamPosen. China will likely be the least affected by this shift, “while Washington’s closest allies will be the most damaged.”

    https://x.com/ForeignAffairs/status/1959245743861957032
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,688

    Scott_xP said:

    Friday afternoon

    The Times is told that both the Foreign Office and Number 10 were aware of the Bloomberg front up message on Tuesday morning

    Government sources say that Starmer was not **aware** of the messages when he spoke at PMQs. This has yet to be confirmed on the record by No 10

    This is the best timetable we've been able to pull together from multiple sources in government

    I'm told that there are several different timelines circulating in government which are still being worked on

    Number 10 and the foreign office will now come under mounting pressure to disclose exactly what it knew, and more importantly who knew, about the emails

    It comes down to Mandelson should not have been appointed in the first place
    To be fair ISTR that quite a lot of people thought it was a good idea at the time.
    I doubt they do now though
    Wise after the event!
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,051

    Cookie said:

    Brilliant rugby match on right now. Canada and Australia level at 5-5 after ten minutes. Auatralia were 50-1 with Skybet before the game.

    Canada now 10-5 up. Maybe it's going to form after all.

    Looking like one-sided gruel now though. 24-5.
    Yeah...
    Canada wonderful to watch. But looking a tad dead as a contest. Canada New Zealand next week should be good.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,124
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian aerial footage of Tommy’s rally is startling It’s huge. Much bigger than I expected TBF

    Met police estimates around 110,000
    Grok estimates at 200-500k in that video. Either way, it’s a big crowd.
    Grok. 'nuff said...
    Grok is quite Woke despite all Elon’s desperate tweaks

    So the guess is probably good

    Surely by a massive distance the largest march for a “hard right” cause the UK has ever seen
    It doesn’t look an unreasonable guess based upon the footage. Whether 200-500k should be considered a small protest or a large one, rather depends on your expectations I suppose. But it’s an odd and probably counter productive reaction to put your fingers in your ears and pretend it didn’t happen.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,971
    Cookie said:

    AnneJGP said:

    AnneJGP said:

    How the flying feck do Capita/ TV Licencing get away with this?
    I get at least one dodgy letter a month from them, but this is pure bollocks.


    Which part of it is bullshit?

    I just went to the /notv link and haven't had a letter since.
    In my experience they'll start messaging you again about 11 months after your declaration of notv. Maybe less. They need to make sure (and keep making sure) you're really really not watching anything they can tax you for.
    I assume at that point I can go to the link again.

    If anyone ever did come to the door to check what I'm watching I'm pretty sure I'd just tell them to bugger off, though given some people are convicted I assume they do go to people's houses sometimes so its not an empty threat. How they get any evidence, unless they can see the TV from outside the house, is beyond me.
    Last time I used the link, it insisted that you declare how you do watch this and that and the other. There was no way to answer None. I gave up trying and wrote them one last snail-mail.
    So they're not prepared to believe you don't watch telly at all?
    Apparently not, their base assumption is that every person alive consumes some type of product that they can charge for. I make a point of never watching anything live at all, not even live-streams from YouTubers. And I actually don't know what these other things are about catch-up or iPlayer or whatever.

    I think they try to make you choose one of their list just to get through the /notv thing, so they can say "Aha! so you do watch something we can charge for!"
  • edited 3:35PM
    carnforth said:

    Gadfly said:

    How the flying feck do Capita/ TV Licencing get away with this?
    I get at least one dodgy letter a month from them, but this is pure bollocks.


    I keep an eye on a TV free second home that belongs to a friend. He has been receiving monthly letters for over 26 years, but as far as we know, none of the frequently threatened visits has ever occurred.
    I had a visit once! So they do exist.
    Gadfly a place not far from you but well known to you and over a mile from the paved lane which leads to the public highway also used to get letters every month. There was no-one living there since 1994 I think. Thus the letters were delivered to me as owner. Once I was doing up the cattle in the adjoining barn and this couple appropriately dressed for ball-room dancing were in front of the remains of the house. The day was less than clement. After accusing me of allowing my cattle to harrass THEM - I had let the cattle out to water at the trough as I did every day, they then started to accuse me of having a TV in the shell of the house. Admittedly there were the remains of an old type aerial in pieces on the floor.

    Heard later the "couple" had enquired of a lived in house by the lane side where ((redacted)) was and had been asked why they wanted to know. Refused to say (confidential) but had TV Licencing all over their vehicle.

    Never had a letter since though.

    The only other people ever to annoy us at ((redacted)) have been Jehovah's Witnesses who have a similar if equally misguided zeal.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,141
    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian aerial footage of Tommy’s rally is startling It’s huge. Much bigger than I expected TBF

    Met police estimates around 110,000
    Grok estimates at 200-500k in that video. Either way, it’s a big crowd.
    Grok. 'nuff said...
    Grok is quite Woke despite all Elon’s desperate tweaks

    So the guess is probably good

    Surely by a massive distance the largest march for a “hard right” cause the UK has ever seen
    It doesn’t look an unreasonable guess based upon the footage. Whether 200-500k should be considered a small protest or a large one, rather depends on your expectations I suppose. But it’s an odd and probably counter productive reaction to put your fingers in your ears and pretend it didn’t happen.
    Yes. The days when Tommeh could only summon a few hundred sad hooligans are behind us
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,878
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian aerial footage of Tommy’s rally is startling It’s huge. Much bigger than I expected TBF

    Met police estimates around 110,000
    Grok estimates at 200-500k in that video. Either way, it’s a big crowd.
    Grok. 'nuff said...
    Grok is quite Woke despite all Elon’s desperate tweaks

    So the guess is probably good

    Surely by a massive distance the largest march for a “hard right” cause the UK has ever seen
    Yet you didn't bother turning up? :lol:
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,841
    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian aerial footage of Tommy’s rally is startling It’s huge. Much bigger than I expected TBF

    Met police estimates around 110,000
    Grok estimates at 200-500k in that video. Either way, it’s a big crowd.
    Not surprised. There's obviously a lot more racist gammon flagshaggers in this country.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,375

    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian aerial footage of Tommy’s rally is startling It’s huge. Much bigger than I expected TBF

    Met police estimates around 110,000
    Grok estimates at 200-500k in that video. Either way, it’s a big crowd.
    Not surprised. There's obviously a lot more racist gammon flagshaggers in this country.
    I see Lozza Fox and Katie Hopkins are addressing the rally. Who in the right mind would give up their Saturday to be in the vicinity of those jokers?
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,124
    If Burnham was to stand in a special bi-election, how would tactical voting play out I wonder. Seems clear it would be a straight shootout between Labour and Reform. Would be instructive on what might happen at the next general wrt tactical voting groups.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,202

    How long till SKS goes Full Boris redux and its rumoured he will go to the Palace before they oust him

    General Election?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,878
    Cookie said:

    Off thread and of no consequence, but my daughter was in an unusually well-refereed junior football match today. Not only was the referee prepared ro play a few seconds advantage before awarding a free kick - as they should, but even at senior level never appear to do - but he also sent off the home coach for loudly calling him a 'piece of shit'. I was quite impressed.

    My photo of the day - a plaque outside Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre in da North Ilford Ghetto. I went to the school mentioned, albeit many years after Mr Aston!


  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,124
    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian aerial footage of Tommy’s rally is startling It’s huge. Much bigger than I expected TBF

    Met police estimates around 110,000
    Grok estimates at 200-500k in that video. Either way, it’s a big crowd.
    Grok. 'nuff said...
    Grok is quite Woke despite all Elon’s desperate tweaks

    So the guess is probably good

    Surely by a massive distance the largest march for a “hard right” cause the UK has ever seen
    It doesn’t look an unreasonable guess based upon the footage. Whether 200-500k should be considered a small protest or a large one, rather depends on your expectations I suppose. But it’s an odd and probably counter productive reaction to put your fingers in your ears and pretend it didn’t happen.
    Yes. The days when Tommeh could only summon a few hundred sad hooligans are behind us
    It was a fashy supergroup though, Tommeh, Katy Hopkins, Jordan Petersen, Ant Middleton, Lozza Fox and that anti-trans pound shop Marilyn impersonator. Something for everyone of a hard right persuasion.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,781
    Foxy said:

    algarkirk said:

    Stereodog said:

    Out of curiosity, have any PBers been on a protest march?

    Once, back, in the mid-90s, against a Tory threat to privatise Scottish Water.
    Tommy Sheridan led the march. I bought his book and he autographed it.
    Since then, I decided that when I am benevolent dictator of this country I will totally ignore protest marches, so I don't see the point of participating myself any more.
    I went to a school full of farmers children who were all taken out of school for the Countryside Alliance march. One of them snidely asked me what I did during the march and I told them I'd been breaking into farms. Didn't make me very popular.
    I know a number of people who have been on a demo exactly once. For one group it was the Countryside Alliance over fox hunting. The other group was against going to war with Iraq.

    IMHO both groups were right. Both drew large numbers from well outside the usual suspects.
    I have been on a number of protest marches over the years. Much like the protests that you describe, I can't recall any of them changing the policy we were protesting.

    Some changed the political atmosphere though.

    I went to one in Denmark, arriving late (I forget the issue, something left-wing), where someone threw a smoke bomb at the platform, then ran off, pursued by angry protestors. He ran straight towards me and I could have stopped him, but much though I disapproved of his actions I thought there was a risk of murder, so I let him run past.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,202
    moonshine said:

    If Burnham was to stand in a special bi-election, how would tactical voting play out I wonder. Seems clear it would be a straight shootout between Labour and Reform. Would be instructive on what might happen at the next general wrt tactical voting groups.

    I am eagerly anticipating one of these "bi-elections". They sound fruity.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,136

    moonshine said:

    If Burnham was to stand in a special bi-election, how would tactical voting play out I wonder. Seems clear it would be a straight shootout between Labour and Reform. Would be instructive on what might happen at the next general wrt tactical voting groups.

    I am eagerly anticipating one of these "bi-elections". They sound fruity.
    Bi-elections swing both ways.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,878

    moonshine said:

    Leon said:

    The Guardian aerial footage of Tommy’s rally is startling It’s huge. Much bigger than I expected TBF

    Met police estimates around 110,000
    Grok estimates at 200-500k in that video. Either way, it’s a big crowd.
    Not surprised. There's obviously a lot more racist gammon flagshaggers in this country.
    There are, er, "flagshaggers" on the left too (eg. Palestine).
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,460
    edited 3:54PM
    O/T but for our Munrobaggers - meteorites being hunted in the Ben Alder area near Dalwhinnie. Fall from a meteor earlier this summer.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4rmkvr430o
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,460
    Foxy said:

    moonshine said:

    If Burnham was to stand in a special bi-election, how would tactical voting play out I wonder. Seems clear it would be a straight shootout between Labour and Reform. Would be instructive on what might happen at the next general wrt tactical voting groups.

    I am eagerly anticipating one of these "bi-elections". They sound fruity.
    Bi-elections swing both ways.
    Also upset some folk badly, the notion of being able to elect for whatever gender one chooses.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,335
    Was wandering round Central London and followed a Greek Cypriot protest against The Turkish invasion of the northern part of the island. Then wandered into a pub.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,644
    Tommeh's fans attacking police. There could be at least 200,000 .
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 14,048
    Romania and Poland under alert of possible incoming Russian ordnance
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,020
    Sadiq Khan’t begs the WWE to bring Wrestlemania to the U.K.

    What a bellend.

    They’re off to Saudi.

    https://x.com/wrestleops/status/1816610716570251730?s=61
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,430
    Foxy said:

    moonshine said:

    If Burnham was to stand in a special bi-election, how would tactical voting play out I wonder. Seems clear it would be a straight shootout between Labour and Reform. Would be instructive on what might happen at the next general wrt tactical voting groups.

    I am eagerly anticipating one of these "bi-elections". They sound fruity.
    Bi-elections swing both ways.
    Everybody wins
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,050

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sky

    Met Police estimate around 110,000 attending the Unite the Kingdom rally

    That is a very big amti-Starmer rally.
    It was led by Tommy Robinson and addressed by Bannon, it was a nationalist right rally not just an anti Starmer rally
    Did you go along - sounds right up your street ?
    No I did not, I do not even vote Reform left alone for Robinson and Advance but it does show he has a following
    All decent conservatives should distance themselves from all thing's Robinson and Reform
    So on current polls that is a third of the voters gone then
    As I pointed out to you last night, your team need to go in at Farage and the right of Farage with their Doc Martens polished and ready for action. These people are a source of votes to be wrestled back. They are not your friends. You need to call Farage out for who and what he is.
    I'm sure you're right. A very illuminating Any Questions today. Many good points were made. It helps when you hear what his critics are saying They weren't being reasonable. He's on balance a man more sinned against than sinning and his crime such as it is is naivety.

    All anyone has to do is run through the other potential Prime Ministers and you get that he's someone trying in difficult circumstances to do his best. He's not a crook like Johnson or a fascist like Farage or useless like Corbyn. Unlike what I said earlier I'd like him to have more time.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,842

    Sky

    Met Police estimate around 110,000 attending the Unite the Kingdom rally

    That is a very big amti-Starmer rally.
    Sky News just now is saying Arsenal winning is the only good news for him recently as he is in a lot of trouble and apparently Badenoch has raised the stakes by saying he has 'lied to the nation', not something she could say in the house

    Kemi needs to be careful not to overdo it. She doesn't want this to become all about her throwing unsubstantiated claims about.
    Why on earth should she

    This is raw politics and she can claim she took down Mandelson

    Do you really think Labour would pussy foitot around this if it was a tory ?
    You are my favourite amti-Starmer poster now. It used to be Urquhart but he's not got your doggedness and momentum.
    Maybe but as I am fairly immobile, in my 80's, and have Sky on together with a subscription to the Guardian with access to other media I am able to see a story and post it

    And before you respond with currygate it wasn't just me on the case and many think Starmer got away with
    You are on a roll. Perhaps you could relitigate Currygate. Call the police!
    If we had all been smarter, Currygate was very revealing.

    Starmer lives precisely within what he believes the rules to be. He doesn’t stop to consider whether something is right or wrong.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,020

    Tommeh's fans attacking police. There could be at least 200,000 .

    Get the water cannons out
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,761
    Taz said:

    Tommeh's fans attacking police. There could be at least 200,000 .

    Get the water cannons out
    If it's like the weather in Far East London, God has been doing His best.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,711
    Went to watch Demon Slayer with the wife, was difficult to explain to my parents why they had to come over and babysit for the morning/afternoon. "You're going to see what?!"

    Great movie though. It's a shame they've split it into 3 parts but judging by the box office I'm not surprised.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,460

    Taz said:

    Tommeh's fans attacking police. There could be at least 200,000 .

    Get the water cannons out
    If it's like the weather in Far East London, God has been doing His best.
    Just looking at the weather radar to check our location, and a quick look at London shows not. You've been piddled on a lot more than Whitehall has.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,136
    Carnyx said:

    Foxy said:

    moonshine said:

    If Burnham was to stand in a special bi-election, how would tactical voting play out I wonder. Seems clear it would be a straight shootout between Labour and Reform. Would be instructive on what might happen at the next general wrt tactical voting groups.

    I am eagerly anticipating one of these "bi-elections". They sound fruity.
    Bi-elections swing both ways.
    Also upset some folk badly, the notion of being able to elect for whatever gender one chooses.
    A high risk of a cock up though.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,878

    Taz said:

    Tommeh's fans attacking police. There could be at least 200,000 .

    Get the water cannons out
    If it's like the weather in Far East London, God has been doing His best.
    We had a few hail stones earlier, albeit pea-sized.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,136

    Tommeh's fans attacking police. There could be at least 200,000 .

    How's that "Uniting the Kingdom" thing going?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,012

    Sky

    Met Police estimate around 110,000 attending the Unite the Kingdom rally

    That is a very big amti-Starmer rally.
    Sky News just now is saying Arsenal winning is the only good news for him recently as he is in a lot of trouble and apparently Badenoch has raised the stakes by saying he has 'lied to the nation', not something she could say in the house

    Kemi needs to be careful not to overdo it. She doesn't want this to become all about her throwing unsubstantiated claims about.
    Why on earth should she

    This is raw politics and she can claim she took down Mandelson

    Do you really think Labour would pussy foitot around this if it was a tory ?
    You are my favourite amti-Starmer poster now. It used to be Urquhart but he's not got your doggedness and momentum.
    Maybe but as I am fairly immobile, in my 80's, and have Sky on together with a subscription to the Guardian with access to other media I am able to see a story and post it

    And before you respond with currygate it wasn't just me on the case and many think Starmer got away with
    You are on a roll. Perhaps you could relitigate Currygate. Call the police!
    If we had all been smarter, Currygate was very revealing.

    Starmer lives precisely within what he believes the rules to be. He doesn’t stop to consider whether something is right or wrong.
    As I pointed out at the time, and the Labourites on here had heir fingers in their ears.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,124
    Carnyx said:

    Taz said:

    Tommeh's fans attacking police. There could be at least 200,000 .

    Get the water cannons out
    If it's like the weather in Far East London, God has been doing His best.
    Just looking at the weather radar to check our location, and a quick look at London shows not. You've been piddled on a lot more than Whitehall has.
    I suspect the beer hall putschers have managed quite a lot of piddling.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,175
    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Russian drones seem to have entered Polish airspace again.

    https://bsky.app/profile/chadbourn.bsky.social/post/3lyq3m7dae22x
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,020
    edited 4:11PM

    Taz said:

    Tommeh's fans attacking police. There could be at least 200,000 .

    Get the water cannons out
    If it's like the weather in Far East London, God has been doing His best.
    It’s rather sunny in North Durham. Although it did rain earlier and I had to get the washing in,
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,288
    dr_spyn said:

    Was wandering round Central London and followed a Greek Cypriot protest against The Turkish invasion of the northern part of the island. Then wandered into a pub.

    Could have been a bit hairy staggering out of the pub fancying a kebab, eyeing up the Turkish kebab shop, then the Greek kebab shop and then seeing the reaction from the crowd whilst weaving between the two options trying to judge who to give your trade to.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,124

    Sky

    Met Police estimate around 110,000 attending the Unite the Kingdom rally

    That is a very big amti-Starmer rally.
    Sky News just now is saying Arsenal winning is the only good news for him recently as he is in a lot of trouble and apparently Badenoch has raised the stakes by saying he has 'lied to the nation', not something she could say in the house

    Kemi needs to be careful not to overdo it. She doesn't want this to become all about her throwing unsubstantiated claims about.
    Why on earth should she

    This is raw politics and she can claim she took down Mandelson

    Do you really think Labour would pussy foitot around this if it was a tory ?
    You are my favourite amti-Starmer poster now. It used to be Urquhart but he's not got your doggedness and momentum.
    Maybe but as I am fairly immobile, in my 80's, and have Sky on together with a subscription to the Guardian with access to other media I am able to see a story and post it

    And before you respond with currygate it wasn't just me on the case and many think Starmer got away with
    You are on a roll. Perhaps you could relitigate Currygate. Call the police!
    If we had all been smarter, Currygate was very revealing.

    Starmer lives precisely within what he believes the rules to be. He doesn’t stop to consider whether something is right or wrong.
    There is an enduring caricature of the PM that he does not know what to think about anything until told by a judge. It’s sticking for good reason. His defence on Mandy is shaping up to be that no one explicitly told him the appointment was not allowed, he doesn’t seem to have stopped to consider whether it was wise.
  • TazTaz Posts: 21,020

    Tommeh's fans attacking police. There could be at least 200,000 .

    Plod will be wishing for the halcyon days of nicking terrorist pensioners in lethal t shirts.
    Terrorist group supporters suffer the consequences of their actions. There’s a Windsor Davies meme for that.
  • How the flying feck do Capita/ TV Licencing get away with this?
    I get at least one dodgy letter a month from them, but this is pure bollocks.


    Which part of it is bullshit?

    I just went to the /notv link and haven't had a letter since.
    It's all bullshit. The threats. The implied guilt.
    It doesn't bother me, but it must scare thousands of more vulnerable people.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,722
    I have made a career move and opened up a butcher's shop.

    What do you think?


  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,465
    Cookie said:

    Off thread and of no consequence, but my daughter was in an unusually well-refereed junior football match today. Not only was the referee prepared ro play a few seconds advantage before awarding a free kick - as they should, but even at senior level never appear to do - but he also sent off the home coach for loudly calling him a 'piece of shit'. I was quite impressed.

    OAF's - Over Anxious Fathers.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,711
    moonshine said:

    Sky

    Met Police estimate around 110,000 attending the Unite the Kingdom rally

    That is a very big amti-Starmer rally.
    Sky News just now is saying Arsenal winning is the only good news for him recently as he is in a lot of trouble and apparently Badenoch has raised the stakes by saying he has 'lied to the nation', not something she could say in the house

    Kemi needs to be careful not to overdo it. She doesn't want this to become all about her throwing unsubstantiated claims about.
    Why on earth should she

    This is raw politics and she can claim she took down Mandelson

    Do you really think Labour would pussy foitot around this if it was a tory ?
    You are my favourite amti-Starmer poster now. It used to be Urquhart but he's not got your doggedness and momentum.
    Maybe but as I am fairly immobile, in my 80's, and have Sky on together with a subscription to the Guardian with access to other media I am able to see a story and post it

    And before you respond with currygate it wasn't just me on the case and many think Starmer got away with
    You are on a roll. Perhaps you could relitigate Currygate. Call the police!
    If we had all been smarter, Currygate was very revealing.

    Starmer lives precisely within what he believes the rules to be. He doesn’t stop to consider whether something is right or wrong.
    There is an enduring caricature of the PM that he does not know what to think about anything until told by a judge. It’s sticking for good reason. His defence on Mandy is shaping up to be that no one explicitly told him the appointment was not allowed, he doesn’t seem to have stopped to consider whether it was wise.
    That's actually a really good observation. Take the whole transgender issue, the PM just said nothing about it until the supreme court ruled that biology/science/XX is fact and everything else is just nonsense under the law and then suddenly the PM lines up behind that side of the argument. I'd never really considered him from that perspective, but it really is the truth. He just doesn't have any method of forming an opinion that hasn't already been defined by the courts or some higher panel/committee.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 65,141
    A new twist


    EXCLUSIVE: Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson lived with his transgender partner, sources tell me.

    The individual, who is a male transitioning to a female, is fully cooperating with the FBI.

    Sources tell me the FBI had texts and other communications between Robinson and the individual that helped FBI authorities solidify that Robinson was indeed the shooter.

    https://x.com/brookesingman/status/1966889202412347602?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,066

    I have made a career move and opened up a butcher's shop.

    What do you think?


    Not credible.

    You might have a profitable sideline in sign writing, though.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,124
    The Unite the Kingdom lads have a somewhat final solution to the Starmer problem.

    https://x.com/evolvepolitics/status/1966882758028128502?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,124
    MaxPB said:

    moonshine said:

    Sky

    Met Police estimate around 110,000 attending the Unite the Kingdom rally

    That is a very big amti-Starmer rally.
    Sky News just now is saying Arsenal winning is the only good news for him recently as he is in a lot of trouble and apparently Badenoch has raised the stakes by saying he has 'lied to the nation', not something she could say in the house

    Kemi needs to be careful not to overdo it. She doesn't want this to become all about her throwing unsubstantiated claims about.
    Why on earth should she

    This is raw politics and she can claim she took down Mandelson

    Do you really think Labour would pussy foitot around this if it was a tory ?
    You are my favourite amti-Starmer poster now. It used to be Urquhart but he's not got your doggedness and momentum.
    Maybe but as I am fairly immobile, in my 80's, and have Sky on together with a subscription to the Guardian with access to other media I am able to see a story and post it

    And before you respond with currygate it wasn't just me on the case and many think Starmer got away with
    You are on a roll. Perhaps you could relitigate Currygate. Call the police!
    If we had all been smarter, Currygate was very revealing.

    Starmer lives precisely within what he believes the rules to be. He doesn’t stop to consider whether something is right or wrong.
    There is an enduring caricature of the PM that he does not know what to think about anything until told by a judge. It’s sticking for good reason. His defence on Mandy is shaping up to be that no one explicitly told him the appointment was not allowed, he doesn’t seem to have stopped to consider whether it was wise.
    That's actually a really good observation. Take the whole transgender issue, the PM just said nothing about it until the supreme court ruled that biology/science/XX is fact and everything else is just nonsense under the law and then suddenly the PM lines up behind that side of the argument. I'd never really considered him from that perspective, but it really is the truth. He just doesn't have any method of forming an opinion that hasn't already been defined by the courts or some higher panel/committee.
    Exactly. And perhaps that’s what made him a successful public prosecutor. But it’s rather a problem when your job is the highest authority that defines the law that judges are supposed to enforce. The longer you look, the more you realise how hopelessly unsuited to this job he is. And I expect he’s realised it too but it’s quite hard to dig his way out now.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,066
    Now we see the madness of NATO refusing to defend every inch of its airspace. We now have regular, likely soon to be daily, incursions into NATO airspace by Russian weapons.
    They are not currently seeking to cause damage, but instead to disrupt. Now you have airports shutting down and economic damage. And this will persist.
    We could have reacted firmly and decisively, but instead we did nothing. And now we have consequences. There is no scenario where Russia would have been offended by NATO defending its airspace from day one. But NATO decided to stick to this holier than thou, turning the other cheek approach, letting Russian weapons fly into NATO territory and pretending it did not matter.
    It mattered then. It matters now. And we live with the negative consequences.
    And what is your plan going forward? Now it has escalated past the point of random accidents, or Russia rerouting attacks around air defense. Now it is brazen attacks, and now what?
    Now the response is vastly more complicated, and with a lot more downside risk. Shooting down wayward Shaheds was easy. Now the problem is very complicated, and costing a lot of money.

    https://x.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1966891940584063374
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,375
    Leon said:

    A new twist


    EXCLUSIVE: Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson lived with his transgender partner, sources tell me.

    The individual, who is a male transitioning to a female, is fully cooperating with the FBI.

    Sources tell me the FBI had texts and other communications between Robinson and the individual that helped FBI authorities solidify that Robinson was indeed the shooter.

    https://x.com/brookesingman/status/1966889202412347602?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Can Fox News's 'sources' be trusted here? A massive dollop and gayness and trans thrown into the mix - seems too much like a MAGA wet dream.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,366
    Some serious thunder and lightning here now. Actually affecting the satellite signal for the cricket. Been a really weird day. Some strong sunshine and some real downpours.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 6,124

    The Unite the Kingdom lads have a somewhat final solution to the Starmer problem.

    https://x.com/evolvepolitics/status/1966882758028128502?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    What a pranny. Hope he has a nice time at his majesty’s pleasure.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,288

    Leon said:

    A new twist


    EXCLUSIVE: Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson lived with his transgender partner, sources tell me.

    The individual, who is a male transitioning to a female, is fully cooperating with the FBI.

    Sources tell me the FBI had texts and other communications between Robinson and the individual that helped FBI authorities solidify that Robinson was indeed the shooter.

    https://x.com/brookesingman/status/1966889202412347602?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Can Fox News's 'sources' be trusted here? A massive dollop and gayness and trans thrown into the mix - seems too much like a MAGA wet dream.
    Sounds like we should be inviting a MAGA entry to Eurovision to replace Ireland.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,050
    A pretty shameful march. 100,000 fascists on the streets of London. Back to the days of Powell. If the Scots have any sense they'll have another go at independance.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,739
    Scott_xP said:

    Friday afternoon

    The Times is told that both the Foreign Office and Number 10 were aware of the Bloomberg front up message on Tuesday morning

    Government sources say that Starmer was not **aware** of the messages when he spoke at PMQs. This has yet to be confirmed on the record by No 10

    This is the best timetable we've been able to pull together from multiple sources in government

    I'm told that there are several different timelines circulating in government which are still being worked on

    Number 10 and the foreign office will now come under mounting pressure to disclose exactly what it knew, and more importantly who knew, about the emails

    There is something odd about this Mandelson/Epstein business. If Bloomberg has a cache of 18,000 emails from Epstein, why did they run with Mandelson rather than any prominent American figures? Why no Americans alongside Mandelson?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,245
    MaxPB said:

    moonshine said:

    Sky

    Met Police estimate around 110,000 attending the Unite the Kingdom rally

    That is a very big amti-Starmer rally.
    Sky News just now is saying Arsenal winning is the only good news for him recently as he is in a lot of trouble and apparently Badenoch has raised the stakes by saying he has 'lied to the nation', not something she could say in the house

    Kemi needs to be careful not to overdo it. She doesn't want this to become all about her throwing unsubstantiated claims about.
    Why on earth should she

    This is raw politics and she can claim she took down Mandelson

    Do you really think Labour would pussy foitot around this if it was a tory ?
    You are my favourite amti-Starmer poster now. It used to be Urquhart but he's not got your doggedness and momentum.
    Maybe but as I am fairly immobile, in my 80's, and have Sky on together with a subscription to the Guardian with access to other media I am able to see a story and post it

    And before you respond with currygate it wasn't just me on the case and many think Starmer got away with
    You are on a roll. Perhaps you could relitigate Currygate. Call the police!
    If we had all been smarter, Currygate was very revealing.

    Starmer lives precisely within what he believes the rules to be. He doesn’t stop to consider whether something is right or wrong.
    There is an enduring caricature of the PM that he does not know what to think about anything until told by a judge. It’s sticking for good reason. His defence on Mandy is shaping up to be that no one explicitly told him the appointment was not allowed, he doesn’t seem to have stopped to consider whether it was wise.
    That's actually a really good observation. Take the whole transgender issue, the PM just said nothing about it until the supreme court ruled that biology/science/XX is fact and everything else is just nonsense under the law and then suddenly the PM lines up behind that side of the argument. I'd never really considered him from that perspective, but it really is the truth. He just doesn't have any method of forming an opinion that hasn't already been defined by the courts or some higher panel/committee.
    That would also fit in with the absence of any political philosophy with this government.

    Some ministers have their own pet projects but there's no overall coherence.

    With the dominant theme instead being of low grade management by someone who has always had a guaranteed job.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 40,175

    Leon said:

    A new twist


    EXCLUSIVE: Charlie Kirk assassin Tyler Robinson lived with his transgender partner, sources tell me.

    The individual, who is a male transitioning to a female, is fully cooperating with the FBI.

    Sources tell me the FBI had texts and other communications between Robinson and the individual that helped FBI authorities solidify that Robinson was indeed the shooter.

    https://x.com/brookesingman/status/1966889202412347602?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Can Fox News's 'sources' be trusted here? A massive dollop and gayness and trans thrown into the mix - seems too much like a MAGA wet dream.
    Meanwhile on Fox news

    @atrupar

    Brian Kilmeade endorses euthanizing homeless people: "Involuntary lethal injection, or something. Just kill them."

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1966878449290649676
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,479
    Taz said:

    Sadiq Khan’t begs the WWE to bring Wrestlemania to the U.K.

    What a bellend.

    They’re off to Saudi.

    https://x.com/wrestleops/status/1816610716570251730?s=61

    But he wouldn't have a version of the Las Vegas Sphere....
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,288

    Scott_xP said:

    Friday afternoon

    The Times is told that both the Foreign Office and Number 10 were aware of the Bloomberg front up message on Tuesday morning

    Government sources say that Starmer was not **aware** of the messages when he spoke at PMQs. This has yet to be confirmed on the record by No 10

    This is the best timetable we've been able to pull together from multiple sources in government

    I'm told that there are several different timelines circulating in government which are still being worked on

    Number 10 and the foreign office will now come under mounting pressure to disclose exactly what it knew, and more importantly who knew, about the emails

    There is something odd about this Mandelson/Epstein business. If Bloomberg has a cache of 18,000 emails from Epstein, why did they run with Mandelson rather than any prominent American figures? Why no Americans alongside Mandelson?
    I’m not sure many US companies are brave enough to risk the wrath of Donald.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,479
    edited 4:32PM

    Tommeh's fans attacking police. There could be at least 200,000 .

    HAVVVEEEEEEE IT......

    Kicking off in london - Punches and clashes between protesters in london today - police trying to do their best but so many protesters on the street ….
    https://x.com/PaulBrown_UK/status/1966874509757292670
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,070
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Tommeh's fans attacking police. There could be at least 200,000 .

    Get the water cannons out
    If it's like the weather in Far East London, God has been doing His best.
    It’s rather sunny in North Durham. Although it did rain earlier and I had to get the washing in,
    Post of the year!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,136
    edited 4:35PM
    Carnyx said:
    I remember when Tommeh brought his scumbag EDL to my city. Much of it shut down and closed early, and I was on call. I wandered into town to see it for myself. There was a small Unite Against Facism counter demonstration.

    It was a weird and threatening atmosphere as the EDL broke through into the sidestreets and rampaged through the city chanting racist slogans and intimidating the few people out on the streets, banging on the windows of shops with people trapped inside. Fortunately there were few casualties.

    Vile people, made me embarrassed to be British.
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