I mean, of course it is a bubble. New technology pretty much always has bubbles.
But the internet and web commerce has still ended up to be kinda important, even though we had a dot-com bubble that burst.
Yeah, the underlying technology is fine
The bubble was "I have a website now. Give me millions of dollars"
AI is following that model. The technology will be very useful in very specific applications.
The bubble is "I use ChatGPT. Give me millions of dollars"
Yes, the bubble / gold rush analogy is a good one. Those who build the infrastructure done necessarily reap the benefits.
In the internet bubble a lot of companies spent eye watering amounts of money on buried fibre optic cable networks. Many (most?) went bust. One, famously, was global crossing, which wax fiddling the books with the help of Arthur Andersen. Even now, few manage to make any money.
But do we need those cable networks? Absolutely, and without them huge swathes of our economy wouldn’t work. Us being on the FLAP-D ring (Frankfurt, London, Amsterdam, Paris, Dublin) is almost a must-have for financial services and high frequency trading.
I expect AI will be similar. Those who build the data centres and run the LLMs may never make a penny of profit, but their investment will help the world become richer.
Except to improve an LLM model over the previous model requires spending billions of dollars and the amount of money being spent to use those models isn’t there.
Heck it’s hard to find an AI firm that isn’t Nvidia or a consultancy that is cash flow positive on an operational level even if you ignore investments
I think we’re in agreement, actually. Unless you think LLM and datacentre investment is going to stop, we’re going to see a similar pattern with infrastructure being built at great cost and to the great benefit of business overall, but likely not to the benefit of those actually building it (well the construction companies and property funds will do well).
The construction companies will do well, the property firms probably not.
We have to remember that SoftBank are funding a lot of this and SoftBank are known to be the greatest fools with money as they funded wework
I mean, of course it is a bubble. New technology pretty much always has bubbles.
But the internet and web commerce has still ended up to be kinda important, even though we had a dot-com bubble that burst.
Yeah, the underlying technology is fine
The bubble was "I have a website now. Give me millions of dollars"
AI is following that model. The technology will be very useful in very specific applications.
The bubble is "I use ChatGPT. Give me millions of dollars"
Yes, the bubble / gold rush analogy is a good one. Those who build the infrastructure don’t necessarily reap the benefits.
In the internet bubble a lot of companies spent eye-watering amounts of money on buried fibre-optic cable networks. Many (most?) went bust. One, famously, was global crossing, which was fiddling the books with the help of Arthur Andersen. Even now, few manage to make any money.
But do we need those cable networks? Absolutely, and without them huge swathes of our economy wouldn’t work. Us being on the FLAP-D ring (Frankfurt, London, Amsterdam, Paris, Dublin) is a must-have for financial services and high frequency trading.
I expect AI will be similar. Those who build the data centres and run the LLMs may never make a penny of profit, but their investment will help the world become richer.
More to the point, in gold rushes, the people who get rich are mostly the ones selling shovels.
Building data centres will be good for your wealth, owning and running them to run your models, less so.
Hence Nvidia doing so well for instance.
This hasn't been true in the internet age. Google, Facebook, Amazon are all new companies for the web.
I'm not making any predictions about so-called AI, but I'd now that there's a lot of misplaced certainty on both sides.
I'd say that those three *are* "selling shovels" - in that they own the equivalent of the roads and warehouses and ships, and are selling access to that infra, and related services.
They are to the internet what banks and stock exchanges are to finance.
I am one of those who does not know much about US politics, other than Trump is an abomination, and I have not heard of Charlie Kirk but on a much wider and sobering thought in the US being in and around politics, no matter your party, seems increasingly dangerous and unless we utterly condemn this assassination and all others with one voice, we are in danger of becoming the wild west, if we have not already arrived there
Here in the UK we need to keep Jo Cox and David Amess constantly in our thoughts and mind our language, no matter how tempting it may be to vent our frustatations
Allegations of an Asian woman raped by two white men who told her she shouldn't be in the UK. Should heavily tatooed Asians start picketing branches of Wetherspoons with signs saying "save are kids"? I believe that is the PB rightist approved response to this kind of incident.
If it happened on an industrial scale and was covered up by the authorities for fear of upsetting the kind of people who did it, such a reaction would be justified.
But, disgusting and despicable as it is, an isolated incident probably isn’t enough to warrant that behaviour. Hopefully the offenders will be caught, and punished severely
The recent protests were triggered by a single allegation (subsequently proven) against an asylum seeker, not by the grooming gang scandals.
You could argue that but, without the previous scandal there wouldn’t have been enough pent up anger for the recent allegation to cause such fuss
Yes, because there is zero history of racism against blacks or Asians in this country. Absolutely none.
There’s no need to be unfunny about it, I’m trying to address the point
There isn’t history of systematic abuse of Asian or black women from gangs of ordinary white men, the motivation being racial, on an industrial scale, that was covered up by the authorities to protect the white men from reprisals.
There has been historic systematic racism in the UK, and there are now loads of measures and laws to prevent it
You're creating a very singular situation, and saying that only that situation is worthy of reprisals.
Yes, there are loads of measures and laws to prevent racism. And it still occurs - including on here.
I mean, of course it is a bubble. New technology pretty much always has bubbles.
But the internet and web commerce has still ended up to be kinda important, even though we had a dot-com bubble that burst.
Yeah, the underlying technology is fine
The bubble was "I have a website now. Give me millions of dollars"
AI is following that model. The technology will be very useful in very specific applications.
The bubble is "I use ChatGPT. Give me millions of dollars"
Yes, the bubble / gold rush analogy is a good one. Those who build the infrastructure don’t necessarily reap the benefits.
In the internet bubble a lot of companies spent eye-watering amounts of money on buried fibre-optic cable networks. Many (most?) went bust. One, famously, was global crossing, which was fiddling the books with the help of Arthur Andersen. Even now, few manage to make any money.
But do we need those cable networks? Absolutely, and without them huge swathes of our economy wouldn’t work. Us being on the FLAP-D ring (Frankfurt, London, Amsterdam, Paris, Dublin) is a must-have for financial services and high frequency trading.
I expect AI will be similar. Those who build the data centres and run the LLMs may never make a penny of profit, but their investment will help the world become richer.
More to the point, in gold rushes, the people who get rich are mostly the ones selling shovels.
Building data centres will be good for your wealth, owning and running them to run your models, less so.
Hence Nvidia doing so well for instance.
This hasn't been true in the internet age. Google, Facebook, Amazon are all new companies for the web.
I'm not making any predictions about so-called AI, but I'd now that there's a lot of misplaced certainty on both sides.
I'd say that those three *are* "selling shovels" - in that they own the equivalent of the roads and warehouses and ships, and are selling access to that infra, and related services.
They are to the internet what banks and stock exchanges are to finance.
AWS is about as "selling shovels" as its possible to get, absent a shovel shop.
Heck it’s hard to find an AI firm that isn’t Nvidia or a consultancy that is cash flow positive on an operational level even if you ignore investments
That's because the current model of training an LLM, building a huge datacentre to host it and charging people a subscription to use it won't work in all but a very small number of cases. Filling a building with NVidia GPUs and implementing the necessary power and cooling is insanely expensive, way beyond what subscriber income from Joe Public can pay for.
There are two areas I believe money can be made from AI; one is specialist services. Medical imaging for example - if your AI can spot anomalies in an MRI or CT scan better than a trained human then hospitals will pay for that because it saves money and offers better outcomes long-term, and because it is so specialist the model doesn't require such a huge dataset and training costs are lower.
The other is using locally hosted AI as part of a larger product you can sell to people directly. Sony is apparently sacrificing traditional rendering power in the PS6 to improve its ability to run multiple small AIs in games, which has the potential to slash development costs by reducing the number of artists, designers and voice actors needed.
I use local AI mostly for image processing. The models and software are free, but require a bit of faffing around to get them working. There's definitely going to be a big market for selling people an easy to use AI image processing app that runs locally, so no need to fund that vast datacentre.
I am one of those who does not know much about US politics, other than Trump is an abomination, and I have not heard of Charlie Kirk but on a much wider and sobering thought in the US being in and around politics, no matter your party, seems increasingly dangerous and unless we utterly condemn this assassination and all others with one voice, we are in danger of becoming the wild west, if we have not already arrived there
Here in the UK we need to keep Jo Cox and David Amess constantly in our thoughts and mind our language, no matter how tempting it may be to vent our frustatations
How far is too far though, when it comes to language? You evidently feel that calling someone an abomination is OK (and I can't say I disagree in this case), but others might reasonably argue that such language crosses a line.
So Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk’s killer, is neither a Democrat, nor transgender, nor an immigrant, but instead a 22-year-old white guy from a Republican family in Utah who loves guns and wore a Donald Trump costume on Halloween. — Did I get that right?
I am one of those who does not know much about US politics, other than Trump is an abomination, and I have not heard of Charlie Kirk but on a much wider and sobering thought in the US being in and around politics, no matter your party, seems increasingly dangerous and unless we utterly condemn this assassination and all others with one voice, we are in danger of becoming the wild west, if we have not already arrived there
Here in the UK we need to keep Jo Cox and David Amess constantly in our thoughts and mind our language, no matter how tempting it may be to vent our frustatations
How far is too far though, when it comes to language? You evidently feel that calling someone an abomination is OK (and I can't say I disagree in this case), but others might reasonably say that such language crosses a line.
So Leon was wrong about all that far left terrorist shite? Quelle surprise.
Er what? Give over. Show me where I said that
I never made any outright statement
In my speculations I offered two plausible scenarios both from X, not actually my takes
One was: a foreign actor trying to roil America. Probably Putin
Two was this Skye valadez character, because he does look like the images AND he actually wrote a song about Charlie Kirk dying. However I said this was far from a slam dunk and I also noted that you could see this as evidence AGAINST him doing it. Too unlikely, too obvious
So Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk’s killer, is neither a Democrat, nor transgender, nor an immigrant, but instead a 22-year-old white guy from a Republican family in Utah who loves guns and wore a Donald Trump costume on Halloween. — Did I get that right?
He wore a Trump costume with someone dressed as an assassin!
The Telegraph has this:
Anti-fascist slogans were inscribed on two of the unused bullet casings found after the fatal shooting of right-wing activist Charlie Kirk, US authorities said Friday.
One cartridge had written on it, “Hey, fascist! Catch!”, and another featured “Bella ciao,” apparently a reference to a World War II-era Italian anti-fascist song, said Utah governor Spencer Cox.
Kind of suggests he might be anti-MAGA but who knows. For me, the main point should be there are too many nutters on both the American left and right. And it's too easy for them to access guns.
So Leon was wrong about all that far left terrorist shite? Quelle surprise.
Er what? Give over. Show me where I said that
I never made any outright statement
In my speculations I offered two plausible scenarios both from X, not actually my takes
One was: a foreign actor trying to roil America. Probably Putin
Two was this Skye valadez character, because he does look like the images AND he actually wrote a song about Charlie Kirk dying. However I said this was far from a slam dunk and I also noted that you could see this as evidence AGAINST him doing it. Too unlikely, too obvious
I mean, of course it is a bubble. New technology pretty much always has bubbles.
But the internet and web commerce has still ended up to be kinda important, even though we had a dot-com bubble that burst.
Yeah, the underlying technology is fine
The bubble was "I have a website now. Give me millions of dollars"
AI is following that model. The technology will be very useful in very specific applications.
The bubble is "I use ChatGPT. Give me millions of dollars"
Yes, the bubble / gold rush analogy is a good one. Those who build the infrastructure don’t necessarily reap the benefits.
In the internet bubble a lot of companies spent eye-watering amounts of money on buried fibre-optic cable networks. Many (most?) went bust. One, famously, was global crossing, which was fiddling the books with the help of Arthur Andersen. Even now, few manage to make any money.
But do we need those cable networks? Absolutely, and without them huge swathes of our economy wouldn’t work. Us being on the FLAP-D ring (Frankfurt, London, Amsterdam, Paris, Dublin) is a must-have for financial services and high frequency trading.
I expect AI will be similar. Those who build the data centres and run the LLMs may never make a penny of profit, but their investment will help the world become richer.
More to the point, in gold rushes, the people who get rich are mostly the ones selling shovels.
Building data centres will be good for your wealth, owning and running them to run your models, less so.
Hence Nvidia doing so well for instance.
This hasn't been true in the internet age. Google, Facebook, Amazon are all new companies for the web.
I'm not making any predictions about so-called AI, but I'd now that there's a lot of misplaced certainty on both sides.
I'd say that those three *are* "selling shovels" - in that they own the equivalent of the roads and warehouses and ships, and are selling access to that infra, and related services.
They are to the internet what banks and stock exchanges are to finance.
OTOH the shovel sellers got much of their sales, money and profit done and dusted before the marks even started digging (albeit with some market for replacement/expansion). Maybe the correct comparison is the food and drink sellers - but even they had to abandon the ghost towns eventually.
So Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk’s killer, is neither a Democrat, nor transgender, nor an immigrant, but instead a 22-year-old white guy from a Republican family in Utah who loves guns and wore a Donald Trump costume on Halloween. — Did I get that right?
He wore a Trump costume with someone dressed as an assassin!
The Telegraph has this:
Anti-fascist slogans were inscribed on two of the unused bullet casings found after the fatal shooting of right-wing activist Charlie Kirk, US authorities said Friday.
One cartridge had written on it, “Hey, fascist! Catch!”, and another featured “Bella ciao,” apparently a reference to a World War II-era Italian anti-fascist song, said Utah governor Spencer Cox.
Kind of suggests he might be anti-MAGA but who knows. For me, the main point should be there are too many nutters on both the American left and right. And it's too easy for them to access guns.
I think 'If you can read this you're gay, lmfao' was written somewhere on the weapon or ammo. Where that puts him on the political spectrum I cannot say, unless there's an immature adolescent dork category.
So Leon was wrong about all that far left terrorist shite? Quelle surprise.
Er what? Give over. Show me where I said that
I never made any outright statement
In my speculations I offered two plausible scenarios both from X, not actually my takes
One was: a foreign actor trying to roil America. Probably Putin
Two was this Skye valadez character, because he does look like the images AND he actually wrote a song about Charlie Kirk dying. However I said this was far from a slam dunk and I also noted that you could see this as evidence AGAINST him doing it. Too unlikely, too obvious
It’s tedious when I am mischaracterised. Stop it
You’ve been spamming us for 48 hours about the threat of far left extremism.
If we want to speed up our malfunctioning justice system, we could do worse than emulate the USA. Use press conferences to name the accused and find him/her guilty on the spot. Job done.
So Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk’s killer, is neither a Democrat, nor transgender, nor an immigrant, but instead a 22-year-old white guy from a Republican family in Utah who loves guns and wore a Donald Trump costume on Halloween. — Did I get that right?
He wore a Trump costume with someone dressed as an assassin!
The Telegraph has this:
Anti-fascist slogans were inscribed on two of the unused bullet casings found after the fatal shooting of right-wing activist Charlie Kirk, US authorities said Friday.
One cartridge had written on it, “Hey, fascist! Catch!”, and another featured “Bella ciao,” apparently a reference to a World War II-era Italian anti-fascist song, said Utah governor Spencer Cox.
Kind of suggests he might be anti-MAGA but who knows. For me, the main point should be there are too many nutters on both the American left and right. And it's too easy for them to access guns.
I think 'If you can read this you're gay, lmfao' was written somewhere on the weapon or ammo. Where that puts him on the politcal spectrum I cannot say, unless there's an immature adolescent dork category.
You're going to see a lot of "he's a violent antifascist leftist" and "he's a groyper" but the core of Tyler Robinson's motivation is almost certainly that he's an online-poisoned idiot gamer.
If we want to speed up our malfunctioning justice system, we could do worse than emulate the USA. Use press conferences to name the accused and find him/her guilty on the spot. Job done.
In the good old days the US justice system was even more efficient, the political assassin was also killed so there was not only no need for all that fair trial nonsense but there was a huge saving in money and effort in not having to imprison them.
So Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk’s killer, is neither a Democrat, nor transgender, nor an immigrant, but instead a 22-year-old white guy from a Republican family in Utah who loves guns and wore a Donald Trump costume on Halloween. — Did I get that right?
He wore a Trump costume with someone dressed as an assassin!
The Telegraph has this:
Anti-fascist slogans were inscribed on two of the unused bullet casings found after the fatal shooting of right-wing activist Charlie Kirk, US authorities said Friday.
One cartridge had written on it, “Hey, fascist! Catch!”, and another featured “Bella ciao,” apparently a reference to a World War II-era Italian anti-fascist song, said Utah governor Spencer Cox.
Kind of suggests he might be anti-MAGA but who knows. For me, the main point should be there are too many nutters on both the American left and right. And it's too easy for them to access guns.
So was he handed in by "a family friend", "pastor" or "his father", or by someone who is all 3, he was fathered by the local pastor who's had a decades long affair with his mother?
Clive Lewis is only stating the bleeding obvious. Its clear Starmer isn't up to it.
The Feb 2025 YouGov MRP, had Lab 33%, Green 24%, Reform 22% in Norwich South so Lewis must be feeling a bit of heat. I wonder if he would consider defecting to the Greens or Corbynites?
There's been a Murdo. 'Killer' Swinney part of the genocide of rightwingers apparently.
'Scottish Conservative MSP Murdo Fraser said: "You were deputy to a First Minister who said ‘I detest the Tories’. Just yesterday you called Craig Hoy ‘disgusting’ and ‘despicable’ for raising constituents’ concerns over asylum hotels."
He added: "There’s a link between othering and demonising opponents and events in the US. Do better."'
If you "wear a Trump costume on Halloween" that does NOT suggest you are a fan of Trump. It's Halloween,. You dress up as a monster
DERR
Actually that's a British view of Halloween. When I was growing up I was friends with two American boys whose parents were in the military. It used to baffle everyone else that they would dress up as Garfield or Spiderman for Halloween rather than vampires or whatever. They also sent a Valentine's card to everyone in the class including the boys which caused much hilarity.
So Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk’s killer, is neither a Democrat, nor transgender, nor an immigrant, but instead a 22-year-old white guy from a Republican family in Utah who loves guns and wore a Donald Trump costume on Halloween. — Did I get that right?
He wore a Trump costume with someone dressed as an assassin!
The Telegraph has this:
Anti-fascist slogans were inscribed on two of the unused bullet casings found after the fatal shooting of right-wing activist Charlie Kirk, US authorities said Friday.
One cartridge had written on it, “Hey, fascist! Catch!”, and another featured “Bella ciao,” apparently a reference to a World War II-era Italian anti-fascist song, said Utah governor Spencer Cox.
Kind of suggests he might be anti-MAGA but who knows. For me, the main point should be there are too many nutters on both the American left and right. And it's too easy for them to access guns.
I think 'If you can read this you're gay, lmfao' was written somewhere on the weapon or ammo. Where that puts him on the politcal spectrum I cannot say, unless there's an immature adolescent dork category.
You're going to see a lot of "he's a violent antifascist leftist" and "he's a groyper" but the core of Tyler Robinson's motivation is almost certainly that he's an online-poisoned idiot gamer.
So Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk’s killer, is neither a Democrat, nor transgender, nor an immigrant, but instead a 22-year-old white guy from a Republican family in Utah who loves guns and wore a Donald Trump costume on Halloween. — Did I get that right?
He wore a Trump costume with someone dressed as an assassin!
The Telegraph has this:
Anti-fascist slogans were inscribed on two of the unused bullet casings found after the fatal shooting of right-wing activist Charlie Kirk, US authorities said Friday.
One cartridge had written on it, “Hey, fascist! Catch!”, and another featured “Bella ciao,” apparently a reference to a World War II-era Italian anti-fascist song, said Utah governor Spencer Cox.
Kind of suggests he might be anti-MAGA but who knows. For me, the main point should be there are too many nutters on both the American left and right. And it's too easy for them to access guns.
I think 'If you can read this you're gay, lmfao' was written somewhere on the weapon or ammo. Where that puts him on the politcal spectrum I cannot say, unless there's an immature adolescent dork category.
You're going to see a lot of "he's a violent antifascist leftist" and "he's a groyper" but the core of Tyler Robinson's motivation is almost certainly that he's an online-poisoned idiot gamer.
If we want to speed up our malfunctioning justice system, we could do worse than emulate the USA. Use press conferences to name the accused and find him/her guilty on the spot. Job done.
In the good old days the US justice system was even more efficient, the political assassin was also killed so there was not only no need for all that fair trial nonsense but there was a huge saving in money and effort in not having to imprison them.
So Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk’s killer, is neither a Democrat, nor transgender, nor an immigrant, but instead a 22-year-old white guy from a Republican family in Utah who loves guns and wore a Donald Trump costume on Halloween. — Did I get that right?
He wore a Trump costume with someone dressed as an assassin!
The Telegraph has this:
Anti-fascist slogans were inscribed on two of the unused bullet casings found after the fatal shooting of right-wing activist Charlie Kirk, US authorities said Friday.
One cartridge had written on it, “Hey, fascist! Catch!”, and another featured “Bella ciao,” apparently a reference to a World War II-era Italian anti-fascist song, said Utah governor Spencer Cox.
Kind of suggests he might be anti-MAGA but who knows. For me, the main point should be there are too many nutters on both the American left and right. And it's too easy for them to access guns.
I think 'If you can read this you're gay, lmfao' was written somewhere on the weapon or ammo. Where that puts him on the politcal spectrum I cannot say, unless there's an immature adolescent dork category.
You're going to see a lot of "he's a violent antifascist leftist" and "he's a groyper" but the core of Tyler Robinson's motivation is almost certainly that he's an online-poisoned idiot gamer.
If you "wear a Trump costume on Halloween" that does NOT suggest you are a fan of Trump. It's Halloween,. You dress up as a monster
DERR
Actually that's a British view of Halloween. When I was growing up I was friends with two American boys whose parents were in the military. It used to baffle everyone else that they would dress up as Garfield or Spiderman for Halloween rather than vampires or whatever. They also sent a Valentine's card to everyone in the class including the boys which caused much hilarity.
I resile. You are right and I am wrong, and I am seeing it through the lens of a north London dad. Just did a bit of research, and yes some people simply dress as their heroes (or anything else)
So it is possible he was wearing the Trump costume unironically. But then why kill Kirk, who is a Trumpite?
If you "wear a Trump costume on Halloween" that does NOT suggest you are a fan of Trump. It's Halloween,. You dress up as a monster
DERR
Actually that's a British view of Halloween. When I was growing up I was friends with two American boys whose parents were in the military. It used to baffle everyone else that they would dress up as Garfield or Spiderman for Halloween rather than vampires or whatever. They also sent a Valentine's card to everyone in the class including the boys which caused much hilarity.
Yes, in America it is very common to dress up as historical figures, celebrities or superheroes. You see this all the time in US sitcoms. Religious families very often don't approve of "satanic" costumes.
I found the valentines thing a bit weird too. It's completely platonic and schoolkids give them to their friends and classmates, or at least did when I was at elementary school there.
If you "wear a Trump costume on Halloween" that does NOT suggest you are a fan of Trump. It's Halloween,. You dress up as a monster
DERR
Actually that's a British view of Halloween. When I was growing up I was friends with two American boys whose parents were in the military. It used to baffle everyone else that they would dress up as Garfield or Spiderman for Halloween rather than vampires or whatever. They also sent a Valentine's card to everyone in the class including the boys which caused much hilarity.
I resile. You are right and I am wrong, and I am seeing it through the lens of a north London dad. Just did a bit of research, and yes some people simply dress as their heroes (or anything else)
So it is possible he was wearing the Trump costume unironically. But then why kill Kirk, who is a Trumpite?
I think we're going to have to wait to get any light on this.
Doesn't stop speculation though. Personally I think it was most likely an Emacs versus vi thing.
So Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk’s killer, is neither a Democrat, nor transgender, nor an immigrant, but instead a 22-year-old white guy from a Republican family in Utah who loves guns and wore a Donald Trump costume on Halloween. — Did I get that right?
He wore a Trump costume with someone dressed as an assassin!
The Telegraph has this:
Anti-fascist slogans were inscribed on two of the unused bullet casings found after the fatal shooting of right-wing activist Charlie Kirk, US authorities said Friday.
One cartridge had written on it, “Hey, fascist! Catch!”, and another featured “Bella ciao,” apparently a reference to a World War II-era Italian anti-fascist song, said Utah governor Spencer Cox.
Kind of suggests he might be anti-MAGA but who knows. For me, the main point should be there are too many nutters on both the American left and right. And it's too easy for them to access guns.
I think 'If you can read this you're gay, lmfao' was written somewhere on the weapon or ammo. Where that puts him on the politcal spectrum I cannot say, unless there's an immature adolescent dork category.
You're going to see a lot of "he's a violent antifascist leftist" and "he's a groyper" but the core of Tyler Robinson's motivation is almost certainly that he's an online-poisoned idiot gamer.
Jesus Bluesky is unpleasant. Why are they all such horrible ****s?
Aren't Bluesky users all ex X users? Probably ones with lots of Tweets... and we know what David Cameron said about such people.
They are a self selecting group of pious, precious, wanky ex-X-users who took their sniffy leftwing prissiness over to a new place. Unsurprisingly, putting thousands of these awful people in one social media chamber has created a vile ambience. It's great. I hope they all stay there
Clive Lewis is only stating the bleeding obvious. Its clear Starmer isn't up to it.
The Feb 2025 YouGov MRP, had Lab 33%, Green 24%, Reform 22% in Norwich South so Lewis must be feeling a bit of heat. I wonder if he would consider defecting to the Greens or Corbynites?
Norwich South resident (until November) reporting. Lewis should be OK with Reform, the leftist vote in NS is very strong. I guess a fractured vote might hurt him and Reform could just about do it on high 20s. Norwich North is much more fertile territory for Reform though. Greens are more of a threat although theyve always over achieved on the city council and underachieved ref Westminster. They were led until 2011 by Adrian Ramsay of recent Polanski loss and Waveney Valley fame. Lewis has a lot of fans in the local Labour Party and fanbase (including at least one member of my extended family) but there have been persistent rumours since befire GE 24 linking him to a Green switch. Still unlikely imo but more likely under Polanski There is a LOT of Student housing in the city and university Norwich South wards, Reform will probably carry the likes of Bowthorpe though Iirc he ruled out Your Party defection recently
If you "wear a Trump costume on Halloween" that does NOT suggest you are a fan of Trump. It's Halloween,. You dress up as a monster
DERR
Actually that's a British view of Halloween. When I was growing up I was friends with two American boys whose parents were in the military. It used to baffle everyone else that they would dress up as Garfield or Spiderman for Halloween rather than vampires or whatever. They also sent a Valentine's card to everyone in the class including the boys which caused much hilarity.
I resile. You are right and I am wrong, and I am seeing it through the lens of a north London dad. Just did a bit of research, and yes some people simply dress as their heroes (or anything else)
So it is possible he was wearing the Trump costume unironically. But then why kill Kirk, who is a Trumpite?
A lot of revolutions eat themselves.
If we consider Trumpism as a conservative revolution then it's not surprising that there will be internal splits between people accusing each other of being sell-outs, or otherwise betraying the cause.
Allegations of an Asian woman raped by two white men who told her she shouldn't be in the UK. Should heavily tatooed Asians start picketing branches of Wetherspoons with signs saying "save are kids"? I believe that is the PB rightist approved response to this kind of incident.
If it happened on an industrial scale and was covered up by the authorities for fear of upsetting the kind of people who did it, such a reaction would be justified.
But, disgusting and despicable as it is, an isolated incident probably isn’t enough to warrant that behaviour. Hopefully the offenders will be caught, and punished severely
The recent protests were triggered by a single allegation (subsequently proven) against an asylum seeker, not by the grooming gang scandals.
You could argue that but, without the previous scandal there wouldn’t have been enough pent up anger for the recent allegation to cause such fuss
Yes, because there is zero history of racism against blacks or Asians in this country. Absolutely none.
There’s no need to be unfunny about it, I’m trying to address the point
There isn’t history of systematic abuse of Asian or black women from gangs of ordinary white men, the motivation being racial, on an industrial scale, that was covered up by the authorities to protect the white men from reprisals.
There has been historic systematic racism in the UK, and there are now loads of measures and laws to prevent it
You're creating a very singular situation, and saying that only that situation is worthy of reprisals.
Yes, there are loads of measures and laws to prevent racism. And it still occurs - including on here.
I don’t think so. The reason for the anger over Epping almost certain has its roots in the unmentionable. Without it there wouldn’t have been the reaction we saw in Epping
Had there been decades of systematic white on non white sexual abuse, covered up by the authorities, the reaction @OnlyLivingBoy descrined would have been understandable. Even then it’s not really a parallel, because there aren’t hotels full of white, racist knuckleheads plonked in the middle of largely Asian neighbourhoods
Again, you are saying this awful situation is somehow superior, or worse, than many other situations that have occurred against ethnic minorities. It isn't. Stephen Lawrence (as just one example...)
Also, the Catholic church has a long and terrible history of abusing kids and others, and is at the heart of many of our communities. Yet I don't see this sort of action against them, despite the decades of official cover-ups.
The riots do not have much to do with keeping kids safe. It's racism, pure and simple. Which is why so many of the people involved in last year's unrest had *interesting* previous histories.
edit: and you could replace 'Catholic church' with the CofE as well. And I daresay other organisations. Which is the point: abuse has been, and is, much more common than many of us like to think.
The counter argument that I've heard the right give for your point is that yes British born citizens commit crimes too but we're obliged to deal with them as they're our citizens. Why are we obliged to tolerate risk and deal with the expense of criminals who entered the country illegally in the first place?
So Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk’s killer, is neither a Democrat, nor transgender, nor an immigrant, but instead a 22-year-old white guy from a Republican family in Utah who loves guns and wore a Donald Trump costume on Halloween. — Did I get that right?
He wore a Trump costume with someone dressed as an assassin!
The Telegraph has this:
Anti-fascist slogans were inscribed on two of the unused bullet casings found after the fatal shooting of right-wing activist Charlie Kirk, US authorities said Friday.
and another featured “Bella ciao,” apparently a reference to a World War II-era Italian anti-fascist song, said Utah governor Spencer Cox.
Kind of suggests he might be anti-MAGA but who knows. For me, the main point should be there are too many nutters on both the American left and right. And it's too easy for them to access guns.
A lot of right wing Americans on X have - understandably - reached the conclusion that mad lefties will kill them simply for their beliefs. Not actions. Beliefs
This cannot end well for the USA
I suspect MAGA have a bigger and better stock of weaponry than Centrist Democrat Dads. It looks like a big MAGA win should they take up their arms in earnest.
I would have thought scared Fox watching Republicans would be comfortable with a spot of political cleansing. Jesse Watters was a cigarette paper away from calling for armed insurrection against Democrats in the aftermath of the Kirk shooting. Laura Loomer didn't hold back.
Further to my notes on Norwich South amd Clive Lewis also worth nothing the following two facts (im undecided on how far it will effect the result at the moment) 1) there is a migrant hotel within Bowthorpe Ward attracting weekly protests that Lewis has spoken out against 2) the flag protests outside and near the main Norwich Mosque causing friction with locals as well as the Muslim community that EDP reported on and I linked to yesterday is also within Norwich South
A lot of right wing Americans on X have - understandably - reached the conclusion that mad lefties will kill them simply for their beliefs. Not actions. Beliefs
This cannot end well for the USA
I suspect MAGA have a bigger and better stock of weaponry than Centrist Democrat Dads. It looks like a big MAGA win should they take up their arms in earnest.
I would have thought scared Fox watching Republicans would be comfortable with a spot of political cleansing. Jesse Watters was a cigarette paper away from calling for armed insurrection against Democrats in the aftermath of the Kirk shooting. Laura Loomer didn't hold back.
Trump: The president, when asked about how we “fix the country” or “come back together” after Kirk’s shooting, says that he “couldn’t care less”.
“The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical because they don’t want to see crime. They don’t want to see crime, worried about the border,” Trump says. “The radicals on the left are the problem, and they’re vicious and they’re horrible and they’re politically savvy”.
Allegations of an Asian woman raped by two white men who told her she shouldn't be in the UK. Should heavily tatooed Asians start picketing branches of Wetherspoons with signs saying "save are kids"? I believe that is the PB rightist approved response to this kind of incident.
If it happened on an industrial scale and was covered up by the authorities for fear of upsetting the kind of people who did it, such a reaction would be justified.
But, disgusting and despicable as it is, an isolated incident probably isn’t enough to warrant that behaviour. Hopefully the offenders will be caught, and punished severely
The recent protests were triggered by a single allegation (subsequently proven) against an asylum seeker, not by the grooming gang scandals.
You could argue that but, without the previous scandal there wouldn’t have been enough pent up anger for the recent allegation to cause such fuss
Yes, because there is zero history of racism against blacks or Asians in this country. Absolutely none.
There’s no need to be unfunny about it, I’m trying to address the point
There isn’t history of systematic abuse of Asian or black women from gangs of ordinary white men, the motivation being racial, on an industrial scale, that was covered up by the authorities to protect the white men from reprisals.
There has been historic systematic racism in the UK, and there are now loads of measures and laws to prevent it
You're creating a very singular situation, and saying that only that situation is worthy of reprisals.
Yes, there are loads of measures and laws to prevent racism. And it still occurs - including on here.
I don’t think so. The reason for the anger over Epping almost certain has its roots in the unmentionable. Without it there wouldn’t have been the reaction we saw in Epping
Had there been decades of systematic white on non white sexual abuse, covered up by the authorities, the reaction @OnlyLivingBoy descrined would have been understandable. Even then it’s not really a parallel, because there aren’t hotels full of white, racist knuckleheads plonked in the middle of largely Asian neighbourhoods
Again, you are saying this awful situation is somehow superior, or worse, than many other situations that have occurred against ethnic minorities. It isn't. Stephen Lawrence (as just one example...)
Also, the Catholic church has a long and terrible history of abusing kids and others, and is at the heart of many of our communities. Yet I don't see this sort of action against them, despite the decades of official cover-ups.
The riots do not have much to do with keeping kids safe. It's racism, pure and simple. Which is why so many of the people involved in last year's unrest had *interesting* previous histories.
edit: and you could replace 'Catholic church' with the CofE as well. And I daresay other organisations. Which is the point: abuse has been, and is, much more common than many of us like to think.
The counter argument that I've heard the right give for your point is that yes British born citizens commit crimes too but we're obliged to deal with them as they're our citizens. Why are we obliged to tolerate risk and deal with the expense of criminals who entered the country illegally in the first place?
But we aren’t talking about convicting people and then putting them on a plane. Which is the legal process. And currently the law.
If you "wear a Trump costume on Halloween" that does NOT suggest you are a fan of Trump. It's Halloween,. You dress up as a monster
DERR
Actually that's a British view of Halloween. When I was growing up I was friends with two American boys whose parents were in the military. It used to baffle everyone else that they would dress up as Garfield or Spiderman for Halloween rather than vampires or whatever. They also sent a Valentine's card to everyone in the class including the boys which caused much hilarity.
I resile. You are right and I am wrong, and I am seeing it through the lens of a north London dad. Just did a bit of research, and yes some people simply dress as their heroes (or anything else)
So it is possible he was wearing the Trump costume unironically. But then why kill Kirk, who is a Trumpite?
There was some suggestion on X that Kirk’s killer might be someone embedded in the far right, for whom Kirk has apparently become something of a controversial figure ever since he did a 180 on the Epstein files & suggested that everyone should get over the Trump/Epstein thing and forget about it:
If you were neck deep in the MAGA Epstein conspiracy end of the right, then this might seem like something of a betrayal & as we know there’s nothing worse than an apostate.
I have no idea what the killer̛’s motives actually were, just that it’s not completely implausible that Kirk’s attacker be even more far-right than he was instead of being a leftist. Extremist political infighting is not limited to weird Maoist splinter groups!
A lot of right wing Americans on X have - understandably - reached the conclusion that mad lefties will kill them simply for their beliefs. Not actions. Beliefs
This cannot end well for the USA
I suspect MAGA have a bigger and better stock of weaponry than Centrist Democrat Dads. It looks like a big MAGA win should they take up their arms in earnest.
I would have thought scared Fox watching Republicans would be comfortable with a spot of political cleansing. Jesse Watters was a cigarette paper away from calling for armed insurrection against Democrats in the aftermath of the Kirk shooting. Laura Loomer didn't hold back.
Trump: The president, when asked about how we “fix the country” or “come back together” after Kirk’s shooting, says that he “couldn’t care less”.
“The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical because they don’t want to see crime. They don’t want to see crime, worried about the border,” Trump says. “The radicals on the left are the problem, and they’re vicious and they’re horrible and they’re politically savvy”.
Can I wish Kamala Harris good luck for her book tour next week?
The Nepal revolution - a popular uprising to install a military governmetn - is pretty wild. They were due elections in two years' time, but there was apparently zero faith in that changing anything.
How did we end up polling on Discord for Nepal’s next leader? Here’s a rundown:
tldr; Nepali government was overthrown in 48 hours and I think i just witnessed the first internet native revolution.
Over two decades ago, Nepali citizens overthrew the Monarchy to establish a multiparty democracy hoping for a better future. However, two decades later, the leaders of three major democratic parties, who overthrew the monarchy, were still fighting for power and greed.
They went from no slippers on their feet to living in lavish mansions, but the common men were still poor, with no sign of improvements.
However, something changed from around late 2010s. People who relied on national TV and radio for their information started getting wide access to internet. People could see every mishaps these politicians made in real time, every frustrated candid stories of every Nepali citizens, and the rapid development of every other country that used to be on a similar level to Nepal. Frustration started accumulating rapidly among people, all enabled by the internet.
Fast forward to around August 2025, Nepali youths, frustrated by the corruption and incompetencies of the government, started a trend on TikTok called "Nepo Babies" where they created reels comparing the lavish lifestyle of politicians' kids with common citizens of Nepal who couldn't even afford a proper restaurant meal.
This exposé got widespread traction on TikTok and Instagram, which infuriated all the citizens of Nepal who had already lost hope from the current politicians. Everyone started cyberbullying their kids for their lifestyle.
Coincidentally, Nepali government imposed a ban on almost all major social media sites on September 4th 2025 saying they need to register their entities in Nepal and follow a strict content moderation rule imposed by the government, which obviously, these sites declined to.
The problem is over 20% population of Nepal resides outside the country and suddenly they had no proper way to communicate with their relatives back home. This lack of empathy, combined by the suspicious timing around the rise of nepo baby trend and a long standing disappointment in the current establishment was too much for everyone... https://x.com/rachinkalakheti/status/1966314602251301138
The Nepal revolution - a popular uprising to install a military governmetn - is pretty wild. They were due elections in two years' time, but there was apparently zero faith in that changing anything.
How did we end up polling on Discord for Nepal’s next leader? Here’s a rundown:
tldr; Nepali government was overthrown in 48 hours and I think i just witnessed the first internet native revolution.
Over two decades ago, Nepali citizens overthrew the Monarchy to establish a multiparty democracy hoping for a better future. However, two decades later, the leaders of three major democratic parties, who overthrew the monarchy, were still fighting for power and greed.
They went from no slippers on their feet to living in lavish mansions, but the common men were still poor, with no sign of improvements.
However, something changed from around late 2010s. People who relied on national TV and radio for their information started getting wide access to internet. People could see every mishaps these politicians made in real time, every frustrated candid stories of every Nepali citizens, and the rapid development of every other country that used to be on a similar level to Nepal. Frustration started accumulating rapidly among people, all enabled by the internet.
Fast forward to around August 2025, Nepali youths, frustrated by the corruption and incompetencies of the government, started a trend on TikTok called "Nepo Babies" where they created reels comparing the lavish lifestyle of politicians' kids with common citizens of Nepal who couldn't even afford a proper restaurant meal.
This exposé got widespread traction on TikTok and Instagram, which infuriated all the citizens of Nepal who had already lost hope from the current politicians. Everyone started cyberbullying their kids for their lifestyle.
Coincidentally, Nepali government imposed a ban on almost all major social media sites on September 4th 2025 saying they need to register their entities in Nepal and follow a strict content moderation rule imposed by the government, which obviously, these sites declined to.
The problem is over 20% population of Nepal resides outside the country and suddenly they had no proper way to communicate with their relatives back home. This lack of empathy, combined by the suspicious timing around the rise of nepo baby trend and a long standing disappointment in the current establishment was too much for everyone... https://x.com/rachinkalakheti/status/1966314602251301138
...Suddenly, on September 5th, a call for a peaceful protest on September 8th started circulating on TikTok, Reddit, Discord, Instagram, etc.
What’s interesting is, this was a decentralized protest, all organized via internet without any central figure. Since it was organized collectively by youths on internet, this protest was given the title of “Gen-Z protest.”
A huge 12,000+ mass appeared on September 8th protest. It started peaceful, but things suddenly got violent. The government gave an order to shoot which led to the death of 20+ people and 300+ injuries by end of the day. Gut wrenching pictures and videos from the protest started floating on internet which led to a widespread outrage against the police and the government.
Later that night, Government gave a very lackluster and apathetic response to such a devastating situation. With this, peace wasn’t an option anymore.
Reddit, Discord, and TikTok was filled with rage and call for revenge on September 9th. People started sharing tutorials on how to create a Molotov cocktail, how to disarm tear gas, etc. This felt like the heat of the moment, but no one expected what was about to come the next day.
Next day, everyone from every part of country started coming out of their houses and protesting against the government. Around early afternoon, news started circulating on internet that a big group was headed towards the house of the Prime Minister. Then another group headed towards another big politician, then another, then another. All of their houses were burnt.
Internet facilitated a realtime coordination for mimetic actions across the nation. This is why “burn their mansions” became the trend for the day within a couple hours across the country. Police force, who were already demoralized from last day’s actions and reactions, showed little resistance on this day.
Almost every major politician’s house was burnt, and many politicians were even beaten brutally by the crowd, on streets, on rivers, and in their mansions...
The Nepal revolution - a popular uprising to install a military governmetn - is pretty wild. They were due elections in two years' time, but there was apparently zero faith in that changing anything.
How did we end up polling on Discord for Nepal’s next leader? Here’s a rundown:
tldr; Nepali government was overthrown in 48 hours and I think i just witnessed the first internet native revolution.
Over two decades ago, Nepali citizens overthrew the Monarchy to establish a multiparty democracy hoping for a better future. However, two decades later, the leaders of three major democratic parties, who overthrew the monarchy, were still fighting for power and greed.
They went from no slippers on their feet to living in lavish mansions, but the common men were still poor, with no sign of improvements.
However, something changed from around late 2010s. People who relied on national TV and radio for their information started getting wide access to internet. People could see every mishaps these politicians made in real time, every frustrated candid stories of every Nepali citizens, and the rapid development of every other country that used to be on a similar level to Nepal. Frustration started accumulating rapidly among people, all enabled by the internet.
Fast forward to around August 2025, Nepali youths, frustrated by the corruption and incompetencies of the government, started a trend on TikTok called "Nepo Babies" where they created reels comparing the lavish lifestyle of politicians' kids with common citizens of Nepal who couldn't even afford a proper restaurant meal.
This exposé got widespread traction on TikTok and Instagram, which infuriated all the citizens of Nepal who had already lost hope from the current politicians. Everyone started cyberbullying their kids for their lifestyle.
Coincidentally, Nepali government imposed a ban on almost all major social media sites on September 4th 2025 saying they need to register their entities in Nepal and follow a strict content moderation rule imposed by the government, which obviously, these sites declined to.
The problem is over 20% population of Nepal resides outside the country and suddenly they had no proper way to communicate with their relatives back home. This lack of empathy, combined by the suspicious timing around the rise of nepo baby trend and a long standing disappointment in the current establishment was too much for everyone... https://x.com/rachinkalakheti/status/1966314602251301138
...Suddenly, on September 5th, a call for a peaceful protest on September 8th started circulating on TikTok, Reddit, Discord, Instagram, etc.
What’s interesting is, this was a decentralized protest, all organized via internet without any central figure. Since it was organized collectively by youths on internet, this protest was given the title of “Gen-Z protest.”
A huge 12,000+ mass appeared on September 8th protest. It started peaceful, but things suddenly got violent. The government gave an order to shoot which led to the death of 20+ people and 300+ injuries by end of the day. Gut wrenching pictures and videos from the protest started floating on internet which led to a widespread outrage against the police and the government.
Later that night, Government gave a very lackluster and apathetic response to such a devastating situation. With this, peace wasn’t an option anymore.
Reddit, Discord, and TikTok was filled with rage and call for revenge on September 9th. People started sharing tutorials on how to create a Molotov cocktail, how to disarm tear gas, etc. This felt like the heat of the moment, but no one expected what was about to come the next day.
Next day, everyone from every part of country started coming out of their houses and protesting against the government. Around early afternoon, news started circulating on internet that a big group was headed towards the house of the Prime Minister. Then another group headed towards another big politician, then another, then another. All of their houses were burnt.
Internet facilitated a realtime coordination for mimetic actions across the nation. This is why “burn their mansions” became the trend for the day within a couple hours across the country. Police force, who were already demoralized from last day’s actions and reactions, showed little resistance on this day.
Almost every major politician’s house was burnt, and many politicians were even beaten brutally by the crowd, on streets, on rivers, and in their mansions...
...I was on Reddit and Discord all day. It truly felt like dropping at a warzone where everyone is coordinating attacks, sharing real time updates, and even telling which locations to avoid, etc. By late afternoon, the prime minister resigned and took refuge under the army alongside many other politicians. Army took control for security later that night and wanted to host negotiations with the protestors.
The problem was, there was no representative for the protest. It was all a collective decentralized effort. So people started discussing and polling on Discord and Reddit on who should represent the protestors and who they should nominate as their future leader.
It’s been a chaotic effort (who knew decentralization would be chaotic), but they’ve finally agreed upon who they want to nominate. Discussion between Army, the President, and the protestors is still ongoing, but it’s almost guaranteed now that the leader nominated by the Discord polls will take the position within a couple days.
It was an unfortunate event where many things went wrong and the destruction pushed Nepal back by years, but the sequence of events were very unique, where almost everything originated and accumulated from the internet. The dissatisfaction accumulated for years on internet, and suddenly in two days, the government was overthrown, all coordinated via Internet with no central figure. In many ways, the protest happened on the internet for years, but the government didn’t listen.
I suspect this pattern will emerge across many other countries now that the world has seen what’s possible. The Network State is becoming a real thing..
Q: My condolences on the loss of your friend Charlie Kirk. How are you holding up?
TRUMP: I think very good. And by the way, right there you see all the trucks. They just started construction of the new ballroom for the White House, which is something they've been trying to get for about 150 years.
The Nepal revolution - a popular uprising to install a military governmetn - is pretty wild. They were due elections in two years' time, but there was apparently zero faith in that changing anything.
How did we end up polling on Discord for Nepal’s next leader? Here’s a rundown:
tldr; Nepali government was overthrown in 48 hours and I think i just witnessed the first internet native revolution.
Over two decades ago, Nepali citizens overthrew the Monarchy to establish a multiparty democracy hoping for a better future. However, two decades later, the leaders of three major democratic parties, who overthrew the monarchy, were still fighting for power and greed.
They went from no slippers on their feet to living in lavish mansions, but the common men were still poor, with no sign of improvements.
However, something changed from around late 2010s. People who relied on national TV and radio for their information started getting wide access to internet. People could see every mishaps these politicians made in real time, every frustrated candid stories of every Nepali citizens, and the rapid development of every other country that used to be on a similar level to Nepal. Frustration started accumulating rapidly among people, all enabled by the internet.
Fast forward to around August 2025, Nepali youths, frustrated by the corruption and incompetencies of the government, started a trend on TikTok called "Nepo Babies" where they created reels comparing the lavish lifestyle of politicians' kids with common citizens of Nepal who couldn't even afford a proper restaurant meal.
This exposé got widespread traction on TikTok and Instagram, which infuriated all the citizens of Nepal who had already lost hope from the current politicians. Everyone started cyberbullying their kids for their lifestyle.
Coincidentally, Nepali government imposed a ban on almost all major social media sites on September 4th 2025 saying they need to register their entities in Nepal and follow a strict content moderation rule imposed by the government, which obviously, these sites declined to.
The problem is over 20% population of Nepal resides outside the country and suddenly they had no proper way to communicate with their relatives back home. This lack of empathy, combined by the suspicious timing around the rise of nepo baby trend and a long standing disappointment in the current establishment was too much for everyone... https://x.com/rachinkalakheti/status/1966314602251301138
...Suddenly, on September 5th, a call for a peaceful protest on September 8th started circulating on TikTok, Reddit, Discord, Instagram, etc.
What’s interesting is, this was a decentralized protest, all organized via internet without any central figure. Since it was organized collectively by youths on internet, this protest was given the title of “Gen-Z protest.”
A huge 12,000+ mass appeared on September 8th protest. It started peaceful, but things suddenly got violent. The government gave an order to shoot which led to the death of 20+ people and 300+ injuries by end of the day. Gut wrenching pictures and videos from the protest started floating on internet which led to a widespread outrage against the police and the government.
Later that night, Government gave a very lackluster and apathetic response to such a devastating situation. With this, peace wasn’t an option anymore.
Reddit, Discord, and TikTok was filled with rage and call for revenge on September 9th. People started sharing tutorials on how to create a Molotov cocktail, how to disarm tear gas, etc. This felt like the heat of the moment, but no one expected what was about to come the next day.
Next day, everyone from every part of country started coming out of their houses and protesting against the government. Around early afternoon, news started circulating on internet that a big group was headed towards the house of the Prime Minister. Then another group headed towards another big politician, then another, then another. All of their houses were burnt.
Internet facilitated a realtime coordination for mimetic actions across the nation. This is why “burn their mansions” became the trend for the day within a couple hours across the country. Police force, who were already demoralized from last day’s actions and reactions, showed little resistance on this day.
Almost every major politician’s house was burnt, and many politicians were even beaten brutally by the crowd, on streets, on rivers, and in their mansions...
...I was on Reddit and Discord all day. It truly felt like dropping at a warzone where everyone is coordinating attacks, sharing real time updates, and even telling which locations to avoid, etc. By late afternoon, the prime minister resigned and took refuge under the army alongside many other politicians. Army took control for security later that night and wanted to host negotiations with the protestors.
The problem was, there was no representative for the protest. It was all a collective decentralized effort. So people started discussing and polling on Discord and Reddit on who should represent the protestors and who they should nominate as their future leader.
It’s been a chaotic effort (who knew decentralization would be chaotic), but they’ve finally agreed upon who they want to nominate. Discussion between Army, the President, and the protestors is still ongoing, but it’s almost guaranteed now that the leader nominated by the Discord polls will take the position within a couple days.
It was an unfortunate event where many things went wrong and the destruction pushed Nepal back by years, but the sequence of events were very unique, where almost everything originated and accumulated from the internet. The dissatisfaction accumulated for years on internet, and suddenly in two days, the government was overthrown, all coordinated via Internet with no central figure. In many ways, the protest happened on the internet for years, but the government didn’t listen.
I suspect this pattern will emerge across many other countries now that the world has seen what’s possible. The Network State is becoming a real thing..
Extrapolating, I expect this to excite Leon.
Very interesting. Has Nepal's material situation of the last 20 years been notably worse than its peers?
If you "wear a Trump costume on Halloween" that does NOT suggest you are a fan of Trump. It's Halloween,. You dress up as a monster
DERR
Actually that's a British view of Halloween. When I was growing up I was friends with two American boys whose parents were in the military. It used to baffle everyone else that they would dress up as Garfield or Spiderman for Halloween rather than vampires or whatever. They also sent a Valentine's card to everyone in the class including the boys which caused much hilarity.
I resile. You are right and I am wrong, and I am seeing it through the lens of a north London dad. Just did a bit of research, and yes some people simply dress as their heroes (or anything else)
So it is possible he was wearing the Trump costume unironically. But then why kill Kirk, who is a Trumpite?
There was some suggestion on X that Kirk’s killer might be someone embedded in the far right, for whom Kirk has apparently become something of a controversial figure ever since he did a 180 on the Epstein files & suggested that everyone should get over the Trump/Epstein thing and forget about it:
If you were neck deep in the MAGA Epstein conspiracy end of the right, then this might seem like something of a betrayal & as we know there’s nothing worse than an apostate.
I have no idea what the killer̛’s motives actually were, just that it’s not completely implausible that Kirk’s attacker be even more far-right than he was instead of being a leftist. Extremist political infighting is not limited to weird Maoist splinter groups!
We're kind of missing the point here. It doesn't matter that much what his motives were. If he was a hardcore MAGAt, that doesn't mean most hardcore MAGAts are dangerous criminals. If he was a transgendered individual, that doesn't mean most transgendered individuals are dangerous criminals. If he was an antifa supporters, that doesn't mean most antifa supporters are dangerous criminals. Any ideology can attract dangerous, violent individuals, any demographic group can include dangerous, violent individuals, but we shouldn't judge groups by the actions of individuals.
If the US wants to stop people being shot, they need to stop fetishising guns.
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We have to remember that SoftBank are funding a lot of this and SoftBank are known to be the greatest fools with money as they funded wework
They are to the internet what banks and stock exchanges are to finance.
Here in the UK we need to keep Jo Cox and David Amess constantly in our thoughts and mind our language, no matter how tempting it may be to vent our frustatations
Afternoon all
There are two areas I believe money can be made from AI; one is specialist services. Medical imaging for example - if your AI can spot anomalies in an MRI or CT scan better than a trained human then hospitals will pay for that because it saves money and offers better outcomes long-term, and because it is so specialist the model doesn't require such a huge dataset and training costs are lower.
The other is using locally hosted AI as part of a larger product you can sell to people directly. Sony is apparently sacrificing traditional rendering power in the PS6 to improve its ability to run multiple small AIs in games, which has the potential to slash development costs by reducing the number of artists, designers and voice actors needed.
I use local AI mostly for image processing. The models and software are free, but require a bit of faffing around to get them working. There's definitely going to be a big market for selling people an easy to use AI image processing app that runs locally, so no need to fund that vast datacentre.
https://news.sky.com/story/there-is-a-witch-hunt-vibe-in-labour-on-how-and-who-approved-peter-mandelsons-appointment-13429218
@Strandjunker
So Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk’s killer, is neither a Democrat, nor transgender, nor an immigrant, but instead a 22-year-old white guy from a Republican family in Utah who loves guns and wore a Donald Trump costume on Halloween. — Did I get that right?
I never made any outright statement
In my speculations I offered two plausible scenarios both from X, not actually my takes
One was: a foreign actor trying to roil America. Probably Putin
Two was this Skye valadez character, because he does look like the images AND he actually wrote a song about Charlie Kirk dying. However I said this was far from a slam dunk and I also noted that you could see this as evidence AGAINST him doing it. Too unlikely, too obvious
It’s tedious when I am mischaracterised. Stop it
The Telegraph has this:
Anti-fascist slogans were inscribed on two of the unused bullet casings found after the fatal shooting of right-wing activist Charlie Kirk, US authorities said Friday.
One cartridge had written on it, “Hey, fascist! Catch!”, and another featured “Bella ciao,” apparently a reference to a World War II-era Italian anti-fascist song, said Utah governor Spencer Cox.
Kind of suggests he might be anti-MAGA but who knows. For me, the main point should be there are too many nutters on both the American left and right. And it's too easy for them to access guns.
Use press conferences to name the accused and find him/her guilty on the spot.
Job done.
You're going to see a lot of "he's a violent antifascist leftist" and "he's a groyper" but the core of Tyler Robinson's motivation is almost certainly that he's an online-poisoned idiot gamer.
https://bsky.app/profile/machete.gay/post/3lynhuw2gms27
DERR
'Scottish Conservative MSP Murdo Fraser said: "You were deputy to a First Minister who said ‘I detest the Tories’. Just yesterday you called Craig Hoy ‘disgusting’ and ‘despicable’ for raising constituents’ concerns over asylum hotels."
He added: "There’s a link between othering and demonising opponents and events in the US. Do better."'
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/john-swinney-told-do-better-35887753
So it is possible he was wearing the Trump costume unironically. But then why kill Kirk, who is a Trumpite?
I found the valentines thing a bit weird too. It's completely platonic and schoolkids give them to their friends and classmates, or at least did when I was at elementary school there.
Doesn't stop speculation though. Personally I think it was most likely an Emacs versus vi thing.
Greens are more of a threat although theyve always over achieved on the city council and underachieved ref Westminster. They were led until 2011 by Adrian Ramsay of recent Polanski loss and Waveney Valley fame. Lewis has a lot of fans in the local Labour Party and fanbase (including at least one member of my extended family) but there have been persistent rumours since befire GE 24 linking him to a Green switch. Still unlikely imo but more likely under Polanski
There is a LOT of Student housing in the city and university Norwich South wards, Reform will probably carry the likes of Bowthorpe though
Iirc he ruled out Your Party defection recently
If we consider Trumpism as a conservative revolution then it's not surprising that there will be internal splits between people accusing each other of being sell-outs, or otherwise betraying the cause.
EXC: FAC chair Emily Thornberry writes to Yvette Cooper with questions over security vetting of Peter Mandelson
https://x.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1966523934620135721
I would have thought scared Fox watching Republicans would be comfortable with a spot of political cleansing. Jesse Watters was a cigarette paper away from calling for armed insurrection against Democrats in the aftermath of the Kirk shooting. Laura Loomer didn't hold back.
1) there is a migrant hotel within Bowthorpe Ward attracting weekly protests that Lewis has spoken out against
2) the flag protests outside and near the main Norwich Mosque causing friction with locals as well as the Muslim community that EDP reported on and I linked to yesterday is also within Norwich South
The president, when asked about how we “fix the country” or “come back together” after Kirk’s shooting, says that he “couldn’t care less”.
“The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical because they don’t want to see crime. They don’t want to see crime, worried about the border,” Trump says. “The radicals on the left are the problem, and they’re vicious and they’re horrible and they’re politically savvy”.
Nancy Mace acting on disinformation that the shooter was trans: goes off on tirade against "trannies"
Nancy Mace when the actual shooter is a Christian white man: "he's just a poor lost boy, let us pray for him."
https://bsky.app/profile/esqueer.net/post/3lynkqo3ioc2k
This is pitch forks and torches…
When Starmer has the BBC Political Editor desperate to capture his scalp it's almost all over.
https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1966327203601522826
If you were neck deep in the MAGA Epstein conspiracy end of the right, then this might seem like something of a betrayal & as we know there’s nothing worse than an apostate.
I have no idea what the killer̛’s motives actually were, just that it’s not completely implausible that Kirk’s attacker be even more far-right than he was instead of being a leftist. Extremist political infighting is not limited to weird Maoist splinter groups!
They were due elections in two years' time, but there was apparently zero faith in that changing anything.
How did we end up polling on Discord for Nepal’s next leader? Here’s a rundown:
tldr; Nepali government was overthrown in 48 hours and I think i just witnessed the first internet native revolution.
Over two decades ago, Nepali citizens overthrew the Monarchy to establish a multiparty democracy hoping for a better future. However, two decades later, the leaders of three major democratic parties, who overthrew the monarchy, were still fighting for power and greed.
They went from no slippers on their feet to living in lavish mansions, but the common men were still poor, with no sign of improvements.
However, something changed from around late 2010s. People who relied on national TV and radio for their information started getting wide access to internet. People could see every mishaps these politicians made in real time, every frustrated candid stories of every Nepali citizens, and the rapid development of every other country that used to be on a similar level to Nepal. Frustration started accumulating rapidly among people, all enabled by the internet.
Fast forward to around August 2025, Nepali youths, frustrated by the corruption and incompetencies of the government, started a trend on TikTok called "Nepo Babies" where they created reels comparing the lavish lifestyle of politicians' kids with common citizens of Nepal who couldn't even afford a proper restaurant meal.
This exposé got widespread traction on TikTok and Instagram, which infuriated all the citizens of Nepal who had already lost hope from the current politicians. Everyone started cyberbullying their kids for their lifestyle.
Coincidentally, Nepali government imposed a ban on almost all major social media sites on September 4th 2025 saying they need to register their entities in Nepal and follow a strict content moderation rule imposed by the government, which obviously, these sites declined to.
The problem is over 20% population of Nepal resides outside the country and suddenly they had no proper way to communicate with their relatives back home. This lack of empathy, combined by the suspicious timing around the rise of nepo baby trend and a long standing disappointment in the current establishment was too much for everyone...
https://x.com/rachinkalakheti/status/1966314602251301138
What’s interesting is, this was a decentralized protest, all organized via internet without any central figure. Since it was organized collectively by youths on internet, this protest was given the title of “Gen-Z protest.”
A huge 12,000+ mass appeared on September 8th protest. It started peaceful, but things suddenly got violent. The government gave an order to shoot which led to the death of 20+ people and 300+ injuries by end of the day. Gut wrenching pictures and videos from the protest started floating on internet which led to a widespread outrage against the police and the government.
Later that night, Government gave a very lackluster and apathetic response to such a devastating situation. With this, peace wasn’t an option anymore.
Reddit, Discord, and TikTok was filled with rage and call for revenge on September 9th. People started sharing tutorials on how to create a Molotov cocktail, how to disarm tear gas, etc. This felt like the heat of the moment, but no one expected what was about to come the next day.
Next day, everyone from every part of country started coming out of their houses and protesting against the government. Around early afternoon, news started circulating on internet that a big group was headed towards the house of the Prime Minister. Then another group headed towards another big politician, then another, then another. All of their houses were burnt.
Internet facilitated a realtime coordination for mimetic actions across the nation. This is why “burn their mansions” became the trend for the day within a couple hours across the country. Police force, who were already demoralized from last day’s actions and reactions, showed little resistance on this day.
Almost every major politician’s house was burnt, and many politicians were even beaten brutally by the crowd, on streets, on rivers, and in their mansions...
The problem was, there was no representative for the protest. It was all a collective decentralized effort. So people started discussing and polling on Discord and Reddit on who should represent the protestors and who they should nominate as their future leader.
It’s been a chaotic effort (who knew decentralization would be chaotic), but they’ve finally agreed upon who they want to nominate. Discussion between Army, the President, and the protestors is still ongoing, but it’s almost guaranteed now that the leader nominated by the Discord polls will take the position within a couple days.
It was an unfortunate event where many things went wrong and the destruction pushed Nepal back by years, but the sequence of events were very unique, where almost everything originated and accumulated from the internet. The dissatisfaction accumulated for years on internet, and suddenly in two days, the government was overthrown, all coordinated via Internet with no central figure. In many ways, the protest happened on the internet for years, but the government didn’t listen.
I suspect this pattern will emerge across many other countries now that the world has seen what’s possible. The Network State is becoming a real thing..
Extrapolating, I expect this to excite Leon.
@atrupar.com
Q: My condolences on the loss of your friend Charlie Kirk. How are you holding up?
TRUMP: I think very good. And by the way, right there you see all the trucks. They just started construction of the new ballroom for the White House, which is something they've been trying to get for about 150 years.
https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lynlwxpjf22r
@coachfinstock.bsky.social
Yesterday: Charlie Kirk will lay in state in the Rotunda. He is New Jesus.
Today: Ballroom looks great doesn't it
NEW THREAD
If the US wants to stop people being shot, they need to stop fetishising guns.