The Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) has issued a warning about what it calls the "worrying trend" of students hacking their own school and college IT systems for fun or as part of dares.
It has told teachers that they are failing to understand and recognise what it calls the "insider threat" pupils pose.
It says more the majority of so-called "insider" cyber attacks and data breaches in education settings - meaning they have been carried out by someone with access to internal systems - originate with students.
But they will never work out VPNs and bypassing OSA.
If an illegal activity was committed using a VPN, the police can trace the users via a warrant to id them from the ISP and then the VPN provider
LOL...you really don't understand VPNs do you. Most paid reputable ones operate no log, RAM cache, IP mixing. Pc Plod is absolutely shit out of luck. Most of those caught doing really dodgy stuff have required a) intelligence services and b) they let something slip unrelated to VPN usage. GCHQ did have a zero day for OpenVPN, but it was closed and they won't burn something like that on some spotty teenager hacking their school.
No, some operate no log as you say not all and as you say intelligence services can be brought in to track cookies and browser fingerprints can be used as well.
And if you are accessing and running child porn sites, planning terrorist outrages and hate crimes with others then GCHQ will be brought in to find you even if your VPN provider has no logs
That is quite an escalation from spotty teenager hacks own school, which is the original conversation.
Also you have repeated showed you don't understand this VPN and anonymising yourself ok the internet, but you keep trying to make ridiculous points when somebody mentions OSA.
No, I do understand it, if you are using VPNs to commit serious crimes then VPN provider logs or not GCHQ will likely eventually catch you.
OSA was brought in primarily to stop under 10s finding porn sites and violent sites by mistake, something clearly and worryingly you don't care about, not to stop spotty teens 13+ watching legal adult porn
What - you haven't a clue
Clearly more than you it seems
I have children and grandchildren and a son who is head of IT at a local school to call on
Your last paragraph could only be written by someone who has no practical knowledge of children's interaction with the Internet
I suggested upthread, Mr G, that he lives a sheltered, perhaps unworldly, life.
Given 69% of adults back the Online Safety Act it is certainly not just the sheltered and unworldly who support it, indeed it is one of the few popular acts of this Labour government ensuring it was implemented.
Most of the public are far more authoritarian than the average PB poster
The Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) has issued a warning about what it calls the "worrying trend" of students hacking their own school and college IT systems for fun or as part of dares.
It has told teachers that they are failing to understand and recognise what it calls the "insider threat" pupils pose.
It says more the majority of so-called "insider" cyber attacks and data breaches in education settings - meaning they have been carried out by someone with access to internal systems - originate with students.
But they will never work out VPNs and bypassing OSA.
If an illegal activity was committed using a VPN, the police can trace the users via a warrant to id them from the ISP and then the VPN provider
LOL...you really don't understand VPNs do you. Most paid reputable ones operate no log, RAM cache, IP mixing. Pc Plod is absolutely shit out of luck. Most of those caught doing really dodgy stuff have required a) intelligence services and b) they let something slip unrelated to VPN usage. GCHQ did have a zero day for OpenVPN, but it was closed and they won't burn something like that on some spotty teenager hacking their school.
No, some operate no log as you say not all and as you say intelligence services can be brought in to track cookies and browser fingerprints can be used as well.
And if you are accessing and running child porn sites, planning terrorist outrages and hate crimes with others then GCHQ will be brought in to find you even if your VPN provider has no logs
That is quite an escalation from spotty teenager hacks own school, which is the original conversation.
Also you have repeated showed you don't understand this VPN and anonymising yourself ok the internet, but you keep trying to make ridiculous points when somebody mentions OSA.
No, I do understand it, if you are using VPNs to commit serious crimes then VPN provider logs or not GCHQ will likely eventually catch you.
OSA was brought in primarily to stop under 10s finding porn sites and violent sites by mistake, something clearly you don't care about, not to stop spotty teens 13+ watching legal adult porn
Sorry, but you really don't understand internet tech.
Are we are back to you are Jimmy Savile.best mate stuff. It's a bad law, implemented badly.
Oh I do, you clearly have no problem with 5 to 13 year olds finding porn and violent sites when accessing the internet and it is very concerning
You're wrong about this HYUFD. It's trivial to get round it. The OSA is no more effective in achieving its aim than HIPs were in achieving theirs. It comes from 'something must be done' 'this is something' 'then we must do this'.
It will be effective in stopping 5-13 year olds accidentally finding porn and violence
I think it incumbent on the site owners to provide cold shower facilities for all those excitable PB Tory posters who have decided it is imminently over for Starmer (if only it were!) and the Labour Government.
“ In a post on X, the deputy secretary of state Chris Landau has said that he’s directed consular officials to “undertake appropriate action” against any “foreigners who glorify violence and hatred”.
He added that he’s “been disgusted to see some on social media praising, rationalizing, or making light” of Kirk’s assassination.
Notably, Landau said consular officials would also be monitoring his post to crowd source submissions from users who see posts that aren’t in line with the department’s views.”
Changes from 3rd September [Find Out Now, 10th September, N=2,717]
How long can Labour watch Reform stretch their lead? It’s like a long distance run where you realise the guy in front isn’t going to run out of puff, and if you don’t kick in now, you may lose the race in the first 2000m
30% used to be "bedrock" for Tory / Labour, then 20% have been breached, now 15%.
The Reform LEAD - 15% - is as high as the total Tory support
The Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) has issued a warning about what it calls the "worrying trend" of students hacking their own school and college IT systems for fun or as part of dares.
It has told teachers that they are failing to understand and recognise what it calls the "insider threat" pupils pose.
It says more the majority of so-called "insider" cyber attacks and data breaches in education settings - meaning they have been carried out by someone with access to internal systems - originate with students.
But they will never work out VPNs and bypassing OSA.
If an illegal activity was committed using a VPN, the police can trace the users via a warrant to id them from the ISP and then the VPN provider
LOL...you really don't understand VPNs do you. Most paid reputable ones operate no log, RAM cache, IP mixing. Pc Plod is absolutely shit out of luck. Most of those caught doing really dodgy stuff have required a) intelligence services and b) they let something slip unrelated to VPN usage. GCHQ did have a zero day for OpenVPN, but it was closed and they won't burn something like that on some spotty teenager hacking their school.
No, some operate no log as you say not all and as you say intelligence services can be brought in to track cookies and browser fingerprints can be used as well.
And if you are accessing and running child porn sites, planning terrorist outrages and hate crimes with others then GCHQ will be brought in to find you even if your VPN provider has no logs
That is quite an escalation from spotty teenager hacks own school, which is the original conversation.
Also you have repeated showed you don't understand this VPN and anonymising yourself ok the internet, but you keep trying to make ridiculous points when somebody mentions OSA.
No, I do understand it, if you are using VPNs to commit serious crimes then VPN provider logs or not GCHQ will likely eventually catch you.
OSA was brought in primarily to stop under 10s finding porn sites and violent sites by mistake, something clearly and worryingly you don't care about, not to stop spotty teens 13+ watching legal adult porn
What - you haven't a clue
Clearly more than you it seems
I have children and grandchildren and a son who is head of IT at a local school to call on
Your last paragraph could only be written by someone who has no practical knowledge of children's interaction with the Internet
I suggested upthread, Mr G, that he lives a sheltered, perhaps unworldly, life.
Given 69% of adults back the Online Safety Act it is certainly not just the sheltered and unworldly who support it, indeed it is one of the few popular acts of this Labour government ensuring it was implemented
I think it incumbent on the site owners to provide cold shower facilities for all those excitable PB Tory posters who have decided it is imminently over for Starmer (if only it were!) and the Labour Government.
They will regret wishing for Starmer's demise if he does go when someone worse replaces him - perhaps much worse.
The Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) has issued a warning about what it calls the "worrying trend" of students hacking their own school and college IT systems for fun or as part of dares.
It has told teachers that they are failing to understand and recognise what it calls the "insider threat" pupils pose.
It says more the majority of so-called "insider" cyber attacks and data breaches in education settings - meaning they have been carried out by someone with access to internal systems - originate with students.
But they will never work out VPNs and bypassing OSA.
If an illegal activity was committed using a VPN, the police can trace the users via a warrant to id them from the ISP and then the VPN provider
LOL...you really don't understand VPNs do you. Most paid reputable ones operate no log, RAM cache, IP mixing. Pc Plod is absolutely shit out of luck. Most of those caught doing really dodgy stuff have required a) intelligence services and b) they let something slip unrelated to VPN usage. GCHQ did have a zero day for OpenVPN, but it was closed and they won't burn something like that on some spotty teenager hacking their school.
No, some operate no log as you say not all and as you say intelligence services can be brought in to track cookies and browser fingerprints can be used as well.
And if you are accessing and running child porn sites, planning terrorist outrages and hate crimes with others then GCHQ will be brought in to find you even if your VPN provider has no logs
That is quite an escalation from spotty teenager hacks own school, which is the original conversation.
Also you have repeated showed you don't understand this VPN and anonymising yourself ok the internet, but you keep trying to make ridiculous points when somebody mentions OSA.
No, I do understand it, if you are using VPNs to commit serious crimes then VPN provider logs or not GCHQ will likely eventually catch you.
OSA was brought in primarily to stop under 10s finding porn sites and violent sites by mistake, something clearly you don't care about, not to stop spotty teens 13+ watching legal adult porn
Sorry, but you really don't understand internet tech.
Are we are back to you are Jimmy Savile.best mate stuff. It's a bad law, implemented badly.
Oh I do, you clearly have no problem with 5 to 13 year olds finding porn and violent sites when accessing the internet and it is very concerning
You are so insulting
Everyone has problems with children accessing porn and violence, but what you fail to understand, and consistently, that young children have the knowledge from their peers and siblings to override age verification entirely without their parents knowledge
In a few years time you will experience the reality yourself
If they are teenagers maybe, if they are pre pubescant children just occasionally surfing the internet for sites suitable for children who occasionally they likely have neither the knowledge to access the VPN nor the inclination to access porn sites and images and nor should they have to see them pop up when searching
You are correct about that. But a pubescant child surfing the Internet coming across porn would just click back to another site, perhaps with a 'yuck!'. I'd also argue it's not that common to come across porn, especially hardcore, when surfing for the sort of stuff kids surf for. Little, if any, harm done.
It does f-all to stop a pubescant child who actually wants to get this sort of content - and they're perhaps the ones to be most worried about, especially when they do it a lot.
As ever, education is needed more than law. Porn has probably existed as long as art, and parents need to have long talks with their kids about all that entails, e.g. with objectification, obsession and reality. We have with our son. We've just got to wait for a few years to see if the talks have any effect...
every time there's political violence discourse i think about how jo cox was assassinated in broad daylight by a fascist who shouted "britain first" as he shot her, and now nine years later her party is dedicating every moment in power to placating the ideology of her murderer
One of the saddest things in modern UK politics is the way Jo Cox has been elevated, whilst David Amess has been relatively forgotten. Both murdered by political/religious extremists.
People pick whichever one matches their prejudices, and elevate that while minimizing the other.
I try to remember both, and also Gow. I could go back further, but they're really beyond my political time.
In today's context it's difficult to believe the LDs decided to contest the Eastbourne by-election.
Enfield Southgate was also contested by all parties in 1984 following the MP's killing in the Brighton bombing.
Personally, I think parties sitting out Batley & Spen and Southend West was entirely wrong and the precedent should be ditched.
The idea that the fact the seat might change hands between the mainstream parties at a by-election would encourage murders being carried out by people who are totally outside that mainstream seems ludicrous. A small tribute to a democratic politician who is tragically killed in the course of their duties is that democracy goes on regardless.
Er, no. By-elections can be destabilising for the government concerned. Could conceivably be a motivation. The by-election caused by Ian Gow's murder was pretty damaging for Mrs T's Govt at the time - IRA won't have minded that one bit.
Absolute nonsense. The murder of a politician is destabilising, and that's the aim. The ensuing by-election is democracy - it is the embodiment of everything those pursuing political ends through the bomb rather than the ballot are against.
The idea the IRA gave a damn either way that Paddy Ashdown (a former commander of a Royal Marine unit in Belfast incidentally) got a decent result, is risible.
every time there's political violence discourse i think about how jo cox was assassinated in broad daylight by a fascist who shouted "britain first" as he shot her, and now nine years later her party is dedicating every moment in power to placating the ideology of her murderer
One of the saddest things in modern UK politics is the way Jo Cox has been elevated, whilst David Amess has been relatively forgotten. Both murdered by political/religious extremists.
People pick whichever one matches their prejudices, and elevate that while minimizing the other.
I try to remember both, and also Gow. I could go back further, but they're really beyond my political time.
You’re of a similar age to me and in our lifetimes six MPs have been murdered, one by a far right extremist, one by a Muslim terrorist, and four by Christian terrorists.
I’d add Cllr Andrew Pennington who was murdered trying to stop a mentally ill murdering an MP.
Since when were the IRA Christian terrorists?
They said their objectives was to free Catholics who were being persecuted.
Their main objective was to 'free' Northern Ireland and Ulster from British rule and create a United Ireland ie nationalism not religion, they also targeted Northern Irish and British Protestants who are and were as Christian as Catholics
Depends on your definition of 'Christian'. I've known NI Protestants who objected to the description of Roman Catholics as Christian. And Catholics who've argued the same about Evangelical Protestants. To be fair, not recently; things have moved on a lot during my lifetime.
They believe in the Trinity and Christ as Messiah, so are all Christian. They just differ on transubstantiation, the authority of the Pope and sometimes Bishops too and whether they prefer low church bible based and simple music or high church communion and choral based worship
I don't want to sound unkind, but you do seem to live a sheltered life sometimes.
Although, to be fair, as I said things have moved on somewhat over the past fifty or sixty years.
No, I just defined what a Christian is
I might humbly suggest that Christ himself would care little about the stuff you mention, and care rather more about the way we treat each other.
Absolutely
Hm. I really don't know. It's very hard to get into the heads of people who lived 2000 years ago, but I don't think it's unreasonable to say that many of them really, really cared about religion - in a nuts and bots sense - in a way we can't really relate to today. It was really important. Really, really important. 21st century humans have a habit of assuming Jesus was basically just a good bloke. And by 1st century standards he probably was. He probably did care about the way we treated each other. But 1st century people were very very different to us. Assuming any of them cared little about the theological nuts and bolts of their faith seems a stretch. Assuming one of the leading theological thinkers of the age didn't actually care that much about it seems, well, not really credible. And to be brutally route 1 about it - and does HYUFD ever take any other approach? - yes, technically, he has defined what a Christian is. Being a Christian isn't about what we euphemistically term as 'Christian' - in the sense of caring a bit about other people - it's about believing in the Trinity. People of other religions and none can do the 'caring about people' stuff as well as Christians can; what really sets Christians apart is belief in Jesus as the literal son of God who also happens to BE God (I may be missing some of the theological niceties here; I am an outsider.)
On the subject of the Holy Trinity, that means Christianity didn't exist until the Council of Nicea, and excludes a fair few groups who would generally be accepted as Christians.
Another reason why, along with Saint Paul, why Christianity is Turkish.
Technically Greek. There were no Turks in Anatolia back rhen.
Afrernoon all.
As I've often mentioned, the coasts of modern Turkey are still full of people of Greek descent. Not least Ataturk himself, with ancestry from the Western coast, and a classic look of many with descent from those areas.
Very interesting set of by elections tonight, all sorts of possible gains and losses. Vale of Glamorgan looks really open as does Mid Beds Tories will want to finish ahead of Reform in Cheshire/Tatton as this should be a weaker Reform area ( it certainly was in July 24) but residents probably hold it anyway Labour should get massacred in Horsey Newmarket, Reform by 10 lengths Pelsall in Walsall is probably most 'interesting' - incredibly solid Tory ward (67% last time), but can they hold off Reform?? LDs will fancy 'gaining' from Con in Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole as they won the multi member ward and it's the runner up Tory who's seat is up
The Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) has issued a warning about what it calls the "worrying trend" of students hacking their own school and college IT systems for fun or as part of dares.
It has told teachers that they are failing to understand and recognise what it calls the "insider threat" pupils pose.
It says more the majority of so-called "insider" cyber attacks and data breaches in education settings - meaning they have been carried out by someone with access to internal systems - originate with students.
But they will never work out VPNs and bypassing OSA.
If an illegal activity was committed using a VPN, the police can trace the users via a warrant to id them from the ISP and then the VPN provider
LOL...you really don't understand VPNs do you. Most paid reputable ones operate no log, RAM cache, IP mixing. Pc Plod is absolutely shit out of luck. Most of those caught doing really dodgy stuff have required a) intelligence services and b) they let something slip unrelated to VPN usage. GCHQ did have a zero day for OpenVPN, but it was closed and they won't burn something like that on some spotty teenager hacking their school.
No, some operate no log as you say not all and as you say intelligence services can be brought in to track cookies and browser fingerprints can be used as well.
And if you are accessing and running child porn sites, planning terrorist outrages and hate crimes with others then GCHQ will be brought in to find you even if your VPN provider has no logs
That is quite an escalation from spotty teenager hacks own school, which is the original conversation.
Also you have repeated showed you don't understand this VPN and anonymising yourself ok the internet, but you keep trying to make ridiculous points when somebody mentions OSA.
No, I do understand it, if you are using VPNs to commit serious crimes then VPN provider logs or not GCHQ will likely eventually catch you.
OSA was brought in primarily to stop under 10s finding porn sites and violent sites by mistake, something clearly you don't care about, not to stop spotty teens 13+ watching legal adult porn
Sorry, but you really don't understand internet tech.
Are we are back to you are Jimmy Savile.best mate stuff. It's a bad law, implemented badly.
Oh I do, you clearly have no problem with 5 to 13 year olds finding porn and violent sites when accessing the internet and it is very concerning
You're wrong about this HYUFD. It's trivial to get round it. The OSA is no more effective in achieving its aim than HIPs were in achieving theirs. It comes from 'something must be done' 'this is something' 'then we must do this'.
It will be effective in stopping 5-13 year olds accidentally finding porn and violence
It really won’t - the only way to protect young children is to restrict them to a very small list of whitelisted sites
We are asking for the public's help identifying this person of interest in connection with the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University.
every time there's political violence discourse i think about how jo cox was assassinated in broad daylight by a fascist who shouted "britain first" as he shot her, and now nine years later her party is dedicating every moment in power to placating the ideology of her murderer
One of the saddest things in modern UK politics is the way Jo Cox has been elevated, whilst David Amess has been relatively forgotten. Both murdered by political/religious extremists.
People pick whichever one matches their prejudices, and elevate that while minimizing the other.
I try to remember both, and also Gow. I could go back further, but they're really beyond my political time.
In today's context it's difficult to believe the LDs decided to contest the Eastbourne by-election.
Enfield Southgate was also contested by all parties in 1984 following the MP's killing in the Brighton bombing.
Personally, I think parties sitting out Batley & Spen and Southend West was entirely wrong and the precedent should be ditched.
The idea that the fact the seat might change hands between the mainstream parties at a by-election would encourage murders being carried out by people who are totally outside that mainstream seems ludicrous. A small tribute to a democratic politician who is tragically killed in the course of their duties is that democracy goes on regardless.
Er, no. By-elections can be destabilising for the government concerned. Could conceivably be a motivation. The by-election caused by Ian Gow's murder was pretty damaging for Mrs T's Govt at the time - IRA won't have minded that one bit.
Absolute nonsense. The murder of a politician is destabilising, and that's the aim. The ensuing by-election is democracy - it is the embodiment of everything those pursuing political ends through the bomb rather than the ballot are against.
The idea the IRA gave a damn either way that Paddy Ashdown (a former commander of a Royal Marine unit in Belfast incidentally) got a decent result, is risible.
Yeah, right. In the age of Russian disinformation and election manipulation, the idea that a by-election could be used to damage a govt by malicious agent is "absolute nonsense". Yeah, right.
The Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) has issued a warning about what it calls the "worrying trend" of students hacking their own school and college IT systems for fun or as part of dares.
It has told teachers that they are failing to understand and recognise what it calls the "insider threat" pupils pose.
It says more the majority of so-called "insider" cyber attacks and data breaches in education settings - meaning they have been carried out by someone with access to internal systems - originate with students.
But they will never work out VPNs and bypassing OSA.
If an illegal activity was committed using a VPN, the police can trace the users via a warrant to id them from the ISP and then the VPN provider
LOL...you really don't understand VPNs do you. Most paid reputable ones operate no log, RAM cache, IP mixing. Pc Plod is absolutely shit out of luck. Most of those caught doing really dodgy stuff have required a) intelligence services and b) they let something slip unrelated to VPN usage. GCHQ did have a zero day for OpenVPN, but it was closed and they won't burn something like that on some spotty teenager hacking their school.
No, some operate no log as you say not all and as you say intelligence services can be brought in to track cookies and browser fingerprints can be used as well.
And if you are accessing and running child porn sites, planning terrorist outrages and hate crimes with others then GCHQ will be brought in to find you even if your VPN provider has no logs
That is quite an escalation from spotty teenager hacks own school, which is the original conversation.
Also you have repeated showed you don't understand this VPN and anonymising yourself ok the internet, but you keep trying to make ridiculous points when somebody mentions OSA.
No, I do understand it, if you are using VPNs to commit serious crimes then VPN provider logs or not GCHQ will likely eventually catch you.
OSA was brought in primarily to stop under 10s finding porn sites and violent sites by mistake, something clearly and worryingly you don't care about, not to stop spotty teens 13+ watching legal adult porn
What - you haven't a clue
Clearly more than you it seems
I have children and grandchildren and a son who is head of IT at a local school to call on
Your last paragraph could only be written by someone who has no practical knowledge of children's interaction with the Internet
I suggested upthread, Mr G, that he lives a sheltered, perhaps unworldly, life.
Given 69% of adults back the Online Safety Act it is certainly not just the sheltered and unworldly who support it, indeed it is one of the few popular acts of this Labour government ensuring it was implemented.
Most of the public are far more authoritarian than the average PB poster
1. Teenage boys are the most technically savvy group on the planet. If they want to evade the OSA it's trivial for them. 2. By encouraging people to use VPNs, and normalising their usage, you make it much harder for the police to track real criminals. 3. It encourages people to use sites that are more likely to be dodgy
every time there's political violence discourse i think about how jo cox was assassinated in broad daylight by a fascist who shouted "britain first" as he shot her, and now nine years later her party is dedicating every moment in power to placating the ideology of her murderer
One of the saddest things in modern UK politics is the way Jo Cox has been elevated, whilst David Amess has been relatively forgotten. Both murdered by political/religious extremists.
People pick whichever one matches their prejudices, and elevate that while minimizing the other.
I try to remember both, and also Gow. I could go back further, but they're really beyond my political time.
You’re of a similar age to me and in our lifetimes six MPs have been murdered, one by a far right extremist, one by a Muslim terrorist, and four by Christian terrorists.
I’d add Cllr Andrew Pennington who was murdered trying to stop a mentally ill murdering an MP.
Since when were the IRA Christian terrorists?
They said their objectives was to free Catholics who were being persecuted.
Their main objective was to 'free' Northern Ireland and Ulster from British rule and create a United Ireland ie nationalism not religion, they also targeted Northern Irish and British Protestants who are and were as Christian as Catholics
Depends on your definition of 'Christian'. I've known NI Protestants who objected to the description of Roman Catholics as Christian. And Catholics who've argued the same about Evangelical Protestants. To be fair, not recently; things have moved on a lot during my lifetime.
They believe in the Trinity and Christ as Messiah, so are all Christian. They just differ on transubstantiation, the authority of the Pope and sometimes Bishops too and whether they prefer low church bible based and simple music or high church communion and choral based worship
I don't want to sound unkind, but you do seem to live a sheltered life sometimes.
Although, to be fair, as I said things have moved on somewhat over the past fifty or sixty years.
No, I just defined what a Christian is
I might humbly suggest that Christ himself would care little about the stuff you mention, and care rather more about the way we treat each other.
Absolutely
Hm. I really don't know. It's very hard to get into the heads of people who lived 2000 years ago, but I don't think it's unreasonable to say that many of them really, really cared about religion - in a nuts and bots sense - in a way we can't really relate to today. It was really important. Really, really important. 21st century humans have a habit of assuming Jesus was basically just a good bloke. And by 1st century standards he probably was. He probably did care about the way we treated each other. But 1st century people were very very different to us. Assuming any of them cared little about the theological nuts and bolts of their faith seems a stretch. Assuming one of the leading theological thinkers of the age didn't actually care that much about it seems, well, not really credible. And to be brutally route 1 about it - and does HYUFD ever take any other approach? - yes, technically, he has defined what a Christian is. Being a Christian isn't about what we euphemistically term as 'Christian' - in the sense of caring a bit about other people - it's about believing in the Trinity. People of other religions and none can do the 'caring about people' stuff as well as Christians can; what really sets Christians apart is belief in Jesus as the literal son of God who also happens to BE God (I may be missing some of the theological niceties here; I am an outsider.)
On the subject of the Holy Trinity, that means Christianity didn't exist until the Council of Nicea, and excludes a fair few groups who would generally be accepted as Christians.
Another reason why, along with Saint Paul, why Christianity is Turkish.
Technically Greek. There were no Turks in Anatolia back rhen.
Afrernoon all.
As I've often mentioned, the coasts of modern Turkey are still full of people of Greek descent. Not least Ataturk himself, with ancestry from the Western coast, and a classic look of many with descent from those areas.
Not just the coast of Turkey. Turkey's traditional power, wealth and influence came from its position in between west and east, and consequently it's been a melting pot for peoples from all around the ancient world. Whereas we in Britain are in-bred yokels.
Changes from 3rd September [Find Out Now, 10th September, N=2,717]
How long can Labour watch Reform stretch their lead? It’s like a long distance run where you realise the guy in front isn’t going to run out of puff, and if you don’t kick in now, you may lose the race in the first 2000m
30% used to be "bedrock" for Tory / Labour, then 20% have been breached, now 15%.
The Reform LEAD - 15% - is as high as the total Tory support
Early days. As the Labour Party ties itself in knots and Kemi Badenoch takes two huge scalps in a week, and has her eye on the biggest prize, Farage remains eerily silent.
We are asking for the public's help identifying this person of interest in connection with the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University.
FPT: Ordinarily, I avoid anecdotes, but this one is so timely I have to mention it: Yesterday evening, a couple of Jehovah Witnesses knocked on my door, offering to share their beliefs with me. The homely young man was white, the pretty young woman, black.
Earlier, I had walked by a group of refugees from Ukraine, also Jehovah Witnesses, who have a little place on a main street near me, where they regularly offer smiles, and literature.
One of the things that makes me proud to be an American is that we -- mostly -- tolerate religious groups that are persecuted elsewhere. I have known Jehovah Witnesses all my life, and have found them to be good people, who contribute to society.
(Years ago, I used to meet local politicians who campaigned from door to door, but that seems to have stopped, at least in my neighborhood.)
For the record: I am a "cultural Christian", but have close relatives who are Evangelicals.
We are asking for the public's help identifying this person of interest in connection with the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University.
The Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) has issued a warning about what it calls the "worrying trend" of students hacking their own school and college IT systems for fun or as part of dares.
It has told teachers that they are failing to understand and recognise what it calls the "insider threat" pupils pose.
It says more the majority of so-called "insider" cyber attacks and data breaches in education settings - meaning they have been carried out by someone with access to internal systems - originate with students.
But they will never work out VPNs and bypassing OSA.
If an illegal activity was committed using a VPN, the police can trace the users via a warrant to id them from the ISP and then the VPN provider
LOL...you really don't understand VPNs do you. Most paid reputable ones operate no log, RAM cache, IP mixing. Pc Plod is absolutely shit out of luck. Most of those caught doing really dodgy stuff have required a) intelligence services and b) they let something slip unrelated to VPN usage. GCHQ did have a zero day for OpenVPN, but it was closed and they won't burn something like that on some spotty teenager hacking their school.
No, some operate no log as you say not all and as you say intelligence services can be brought in to track cookies and browser fingerprints can be used as well.
And if you are accessing and running child porn sites, planning terrorist outrages and hate crimes with others then GCHQ will be brought in to find you even if your VPN provider has no logs
That is quite an escalation from spotty teenager hacks own school, which is the original conversation.
Also you have repeated showed you don't understand this VPN and anonymising yourself ok the internet, but you keep trying to make ridiculous points when somebody mentions OSA.
No, I do understand it, if you are using VPNs to commit serious crimes then VPN provider logs or not GCHQ will likely eventually catch you.
OSA was brought in primarily to stop under 10s finding porn sites and violent sites by mistake, something clearly you don't care about, not to stop spotty teens 13+ watching legal adult porn
Sorry, but you really don't understand internet tech.
Are we are back to you are Jimmy Savile.best mate stuff. It's a bad law, implemented badly.
Oh I do, you clearly have no problem with 5 to 13 year olds finding porn and violent sites when accessing the internet and it is very concerning
You're wrong about this HYUFD. It's trivial to get round it. The OSA is no more effective in achieving its aim than HIPs were in achieving theirs. It comes from 'something must be done' 'this is something' 'then we must do this'.
It will be effective in stopping 5-13 year olds accidentally finding porn and violence
I think it incumbent on the site owners to provide cold shower facilities for all those excitable PB Tory posters who have decided it is imminently over for Starmer (if only it were!) and the Labour Government.
We are asking for the public's help identifying this person of interest in connection with the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University.
We are asking for the public's help identifying this person of interest in connection with the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University.
A friend of mine worked at the DTI when Mandelson was Sec of State and Blair was PM. He was extremely highly regarded. Very able, and unfailingly courteous. Made a point of getting to know the staff. I suspect this reputation for actually being able to run a department explains why he has been able to bounce back so often - the senior civil servants rate him. And, of course, a brilliant political operator. So the senior pols rate him too. Even Brown, after the TB/GB fall outs. Achilles heel has always been the company he keeps - the mortgage provider, the passport supplicant, and the socialite/fixer.
Perhaps your last line is why the senior civil servants rated him. Personally, I'd always take junior staff's view on someone over senior ones, who can be a little too close to the boss.
The fact is, politically, he is a disaster area, causing loads of political harm to his superiors. and always, somehow, seeming to come out of it better connected and more influential than before. And richer.
Disaster area? Up to a point. I think he's credited with doing a pretty good job for Gordon Brown, and helping to prevent a Tory majority in 2010. But, certainly, he does come with a certain degree of risk (ahem). But in GB's case, worth it.
every time there's political violence discourse i think about how jo cox was assassinated in broad daylight by a fascist who shouted "britain first" as he shot her, and now nine years later her party is dedicating every moment in power to placating the ideology of her murderer
One of the saddest things in modern UK politics is the way Jo Cox has been elevated, whilst David Amess has been relatively forgotten. Both murdered by political/religious extremists.
People pick whichever one matches their prejudices, and elevate that while minimizing the other.
I try to remember both, and also Gow. I could go back further, but they're really beyond my political time.
You’re of a similar age to me and in our lifetimes six MPs have been murdered, one by a far right extremist, one by a Muslim terrorist, and four by Christian terrorists.
I’d add Cllr Andrew Pennington who was murdered trying to stop a mentally ill murdering an MP.
Since when were the IRA Christian terrorists?
They said their objectives was to free Catholics who were being persecuted.
Their main objective was to 'free' Northern Ireland and Ulster from British rule and create a United Ireland ie nationalism not religion, they also targeted Northern Irish and British Protestants who are and were as Christian as Catholics
Depends on your definition of 'Christian'. I've known NI Protestants who objected to the description of Roman Catholics as Christian. And Catholics who've argued the same about Evangelical Protestants. To be fair, not recently; things have moved on a lot during my lifetime.
They believe in the Trinity and Christ as Messiah, so are all Christian. They just differ on transubstantiation, the authority of the Pope and sometimes Bishops too and whether they prefer low church bible based and simple music or high church communion and choral based worship
I don't want to sound unkind, but you do seem to live a sheltered life sometimes.
Although, to be fair, as I said things have moved on somewhat over the past fifty or sixty years.
No, I just defined what a Christian is
I might humbly suggest that Christ himself would care little about the stuff you mention, and care rather more about the way we treat each other.
Absolutely
Hm. I really don't know. It's very hard to get into the heads of people who lived 2000 years ago, but I don't think it's unreasonable to say that many of them really, really cared about religion - in a nuts and bots sense - in a way we can't really relate to today. It was really important. Really, really important. 21st century humans have a habit of assuming Jesus was basically just a good bloke. And by 1st century standards he probably was. He probably did care about the way we treated each other. But 1st century people were very very different to us. Assuming any of them cared little about the theological nuts and bolts of their faith seems a stretch. Assuming one of the leading theological thinkers of the age didn't actually care that much about it seems, well, not really credible. And to be brutally route 1 about it - and does HYUFD ever take any other approach? - yes, technically, he has defined what a Christian is. Being a Christian isn't about what we euphemistically term as 'Christian' - in the sense of caring a bit about other people - it's about believing in the Trinity. People of other religions and none can do the 'caring about people' stuff as well as Christians can; what really sets Christians apart is belief in Jesus as the literal son of God who also happens to BE God (I may be missing some of the theological niceties here; I am an outsider.)
So far as I can tell, to most people alive back then, the Gods were as real as members of their own families. Hence, the bit in the Acts of the Apostles where Paul and Barnabas were mistaken for Apollo and Hermes. People believed that the Gods walked among them. To the Romans, dead ancestors, and children who died untimely, likewise became members of the Di Penates, tutelary spirits who watched over their families and villages. This became Christianised, so that ancestors and dead children were expected to join their relatives on the Day of Resurrection. Paying due respect to the dead was immensely important to such people.
Which leads on to the fact that what really exercised most people back then was getting the ritual right, and paying proper honour to the Gods. What made Christianity very unusual was the emphasis upon correct theological belief, at least among the leading clerics. I doubt if the average Christian would have been much bothered by theological differences before the persecutions of the late Third Century, which resulted in a massive dispute between Christians who followed those clergy who had been martyred, and those who followed those clergy who had outwardly conformed to the authorities, or bribed them to look the other way. What made Christians hated by pagan authorities was less belief in Christ (they might readily accept that Christ was another deity), and more their refusal to pay proper honour to the State Gods. And, they saw the disasters of the Third Century as being very much down to Divine anger at such refusal.
But, there were never arguments over the Trinity among first century Christians, because the doctrine had not been invented. The big dispute was about whether gentiles should conform to Jewish practices.
We are asking for the public's help identifying this person of interest in connection with the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University.
Changes from 3rd September [Find Out Now, 10th September, N=2,717]
How long can Labour watch Reform stretch their lead? It’s like a long distance run where you realise the guy in front isn’t going to run out of puff, and if you don’t kick in now, you may lose the race in the first 2000m
30% used to be "bedrock" for Tory / Labour, then 20% have been breached, now 15%.
The Reform LEAD - 15% - is as high as the total Tory support
Early days. As the Labour Party ties itself in knots and Kemi Badenoch takes two huge scalps in a week, and has her eye on the biggest prize, Farage remains eerily silent.
This is shaping up to be Britain's greatest political scandal since Profumo, and Farage is looking very much like a footnote. If he isn't careful he'll be swept aside by events.
Changes from 3rd September [Find Out Now, 10th September, N=2,717]
How long can Labour watch Reform stretch their lead? It’s like a long distance run where you realise the guy in front isn’t going to run out of puff, and if you don’t kick in now, you may lose the race in the first 2000m
I prefer the analogy of a solo breakaway rider in a stage of the Tour de France. The combined might of the peleton is sure to reel them in.
I think it incumbent on the site owners to provide cold shower facilities for all those excitable PB Tory posters who have decided it is imminently over for Starmer (if only it were!) and the Labour Government.
I think Starmer may survive but it is not as certain by any means now
every time there's political violence discourse i think about how jo cox was assassinated in broad daylight by a fascist who shouted "britain first" as he shot her, and now nine years later her party is dedicating every moment in power to placating the ideology of her murderer
One of the saddest things in modern UK politics is the way Jo Cox has been elevated, whilst David Amess has been relatively forgotten. Both murdered by political/religious extremists.
People pick whichever one matches their prejudices, and elevate that while minimizing the other.
I try to remember both, and also Gow. I could go back further, but they're really beyond my political time.
In today's context it's difficult to believe the LDs decided to contest the Eastbourne by-election.
Enfield Southgate was also contested by all parties in 1984 following the MP's killing in the Brighton bombing.
Personally, I think parties sitting out Batley & Spen and Southend West was entirely wrong and the precedent should be ditched.
The idea that the fact the seat might change hands between the mainstream parties at a by-election would encourage murders being carried out by people who are totally outside that mainstream seems ludicrous. A small tribute to a democratic politician who is tragically killed in the course of their duties is that democracy goes on regardless.
Er, no. By-elections can be destabilising for the government concerned. Could conceivably be a motivation. The by-election caused by Ian Gow's murder was pretty damaging for Mrs T's Govt at the time - IRA won't have minded that one bit.
Absolute nonsense. The murder of a politician is destabilising, and that's the aim. The ensuing by-election is democracy - it is the embodiment of everything those pursuing political ends through the bomb rather than the ballot are against.
The idea the IRA gave a damn either way that Paddy Ashdown (a former commander of a Royal Marine unit in Belfast incidentally) got a decent result, is risible.
Yeah, right. In the age of Russian disinformation and election manipulation, the idea that a by-election could be used to damage a govt by malicious agent is "absolute nonsense". Yeah, right.
Again. The murder is the destabilising act. The resulting election is democracy. It's a crucial distinction and I hope you'll give it some more serious thoughts.
We are asking for the public's help identifying this person of interest in connection with the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University.
We are asking for the public's help identifying this person of interest in connection with the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University.
No 10 said this morning that the PM still has 'full confidence' in McSweeney, despite his influential role in Mandelson's appointment. Not that getting No 10's 'full confidence' is necessarily all that reassuring these days...
every time there's political violence discourse i think about how jo cox was assassinated in broad daylight by a fascist who shouted "britain first" as he shot her, and now nine years later her party is dedicating every moment in power to placating the ideology of her murderer
One of the saddest things in modern UK politics is the way Jo Cox has been elevated, whilst David Amess has been relatively forgotten. Both murdered by political/religious extremists.
People pick whichever one matches their prejudices, and elevate that while minimizing the other.
I try to remember both, and also Gow. I could go back further, but they're really beyond my political time.
In today's context it's difficult to believe the LDs decided to contest the Eastbourne by-election.
Enfield Southgate was also contested by all parties in 1984 following the MP's killing in the Brighton bombing.
Personally, I think parties sitting out Batley & Spen and Southend West was entirely wrong and the precedent should be ditched.
The idea that the fact the seat might change hands between the mainstream parties at a by-election would encourage murders being carried out by people who are totally outside that mainstream seems ludicrous. A small tribute to a democratic politician who is tragically killed in the course of their duties is that democracy goes on regardless.
Er, no. By-elections can be destabilising for the government concerned. Could conceivably be a motivation. The by-election caused by Ian Gow's murder was pretty damaging for Mrs T's Govt at the time - IRA won't have minded that one bit.
Absolute nonsense. The murder of a politician is destabilising, and that's the aim. The ensuing by-election is democracy - it is the embodiment of everything those pursuing political ends through the bomb rather than the ballot are against.
The idea the IRA gave a damn either way that Paddy Ashdown (a former commander of a Royal Marine unit in Belfast incidentally) got a decent result, is risible.
Yeah, right. In the age of Russian disinformation and election manipulation, the idea that a by-election could be used to damage a govt by malicious agent is "absolute nonsense". Yeah, right.
Again. The murder is the destabilising act. The resulting election is democracy. It's a crucial distinction and I hope you'll give it some more serious thoughts.
Say we were back in 1995, and five or ten Conservative MPs were murdered. The resultant by-elections might have removed Major's majority, and caused a change in government. So yes, political murders could be used to force political change - and that's bad.
The Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) has issued a warning about what it calls the "worrying trend" of students hacking their own school and college IT systems for fun or as part of dares.
It has told teachers that they are failing to understand and recognise what it calls the "insider threat" pupils pose.
It says more the majority of so-called "insider" cyber attacks and data breaches in education settings - meaning they have been carried out by someone with access to internal systems - originate with students.
Changes from 3rd September [Find Out Now, 10th September, N=2,717]
How long can Labour watch Reform stretch their lead? It’s like a long distance run where you realise the guy in front isn’t going to run out of puff, and if you don’t kick in now, you may lose the race in the first 2000m
I prefer the analogy of a solo breakaway rider in a stage of the Tour de France. The combined might of the peleton is sure to reel them in.
Usually!
A small flaw in your analogy, the peleton leaders are normally the best cyclists in the world ably assisted by teams of world class cyclists....Kemi would get in an argument with another team leader over some tweet, and then lose balanced and wipe everybody else out.
Changes from 3rd September [Find Out Now, 10th September, N=2,717]
How long can Labour watch Reform stretch their lead? It’s like a long distance run where you realise the guy in front isn’t going to run out of puff, and if you don’t kick in now, you may lose the race in the first 2000m
I prefer the analogy of a solo breakaway rider in a stage of the Tour de France. The combined might of the peleton is sure to reel them in.
Usually!
I thoroughly approve of your profile pic. A decent loco, for a decent site!
Though I do fear the mods might issue a warning about porn being posted...
No 10 said this morning that the PM still has 'full confidence' in McSweeney, despite his influential role in Mandelson's appointment. Not that getting No 10's 'full confidence' is necessarily all that reassuring these days...
every time there's political violence discourse i think about how jo cox was assassinated in broad daylight by a fascist who shouted "britain first" as he shot her, and now nine years later her party is dedicating every moment in power to placating the ideology of her murderer
One of the saddest things in modern UK politics is the way Jo Cox has been elevated, whilst David Amess has been relatively forgotten. Both murdered by political/religious extremists.
People pick whichever one matches their prejudices, and elevate that while minimizing the other.
I try to remember both, and also Gow. I could go back further, but they're really beyond my political time.
You’re of a similar age to me and in our lifetimes six MPs have been murdered, one by a far right extremist, one by a Muslim terrorist, and four by Christian terrorists.
I’d add Cllr Andrew Pennington who was murdered trying to stop a mentally ill murdering an MP.
Since when were the IRA Christian terrorists?
They said their objectives was to free Catholics who were being persecuted.
Their main objective was to 'free' Northern Ireland and Ulster from British rule and create a United Ireland ie nationalism not religion, they also targeted Northern Irish and British Protestants who are and were as Christian as Catholics
Depends on your definition of 'Christian'. I've known NI Protestants who objected to the description of Roman Catholics as Christian. And Catholics who've argued the same about Evangelical Protestants. To be fair, not recently; things have moved on a lot during my lifetime.
They believe in the Trinity and Christ as Messiah, so are all Christian. They just differ on transubstantiation, the authority of the Pope and sometimes Bishops too and whether they prefer low church bible based and simple music or high church communion and choral based worship
I don't want to sound unkind, but you do seem to live a sheltered life sometimes.
Although, to be fair, as I said things have moved on somewhat over the past fifty or sixty years.
No, I just defined what a Christian is
I might humbly suggest that Christ himself would care little about the stuff you mention, and care rather more about the way we treat each other.
Absolutely
Hm. I really don't know. It's very hard to get into the heads of people who lived 2000 years ago, but I don't think it's unreasonable to say that many of them really, really cared about religion - in a nuts and bots sense - in a way we can't really relate to today. It was really important. Really, really important. 21st century humans have a habit of assuming Jesus was basically just a good bloke. And by 1st century standards he probably was. He probably did care about the way we treated each other. But 1st century people were very very different to us. Assuming any of them cared little about the theological nuts and bolts of their faith seems a stretch. Assuming one of the leading theological thinkers of the age didn't actually care that much about it seems, well, not really credible. And to be brutally route 1 about it - and does HYUFD ever take any other approach? - yes, technically, he has defined what a Christian is. Being a Christian isn't about what we euphemistically term as 'Christian' - in the sense of caring a bit about other people - it's about believing in the Trinity. People of other religions and none can do the 'caring about people' stuff as well as Christians can; what really sets Christians apart is belief in Jesus as the literal son of God who also happens to BE God (I may be missing some of the theological niceties here; I am an outsider.)
So far as I can tell, to most people alive back then, the Gods were as real as members of their own families. Hence, the bit in the Acts of the Apostles where Paul and Barnabas were mistaken for Apollo and Hermes. People believed that the Gods walked among them. To the Romans, dead ancestors, and children who died untimely, likewise became members of the Di Penates, tutelary spirits who watched over their families and villages. This became Christianised, so that ancestors and dead children were expected to join their relatives on the Day of Resurrection. Paying due respect to the dead was immensely important to such people.
Which leads on to the fact that what really exercised most people back then was getting the ritual right, and paying proper honour to the Gods. What made Christianity very unusual was the emphasis upon correct theological belief, at least among the leading clerics. I doubt if the average Christian would have been much bothered by theological differences before the persecutions of the late Third Century, which resulted in a massive dispute between Christians who followed those clergy who had been martyred, and those who followed those clergy who had outwardly conformed to the authorities, or bribed them to look the other way. What made Christians hated by pagan authorities was less belief in Christ (they might readily accept that Christ was another deity), and more their refusal to pay proper honour to the State Gods. And, they saw the disasters of the Third Century as being very much down to Divine anger at such refusal.
But, there were never arguments over the Trinity among first century Christians, because the doctrine had not been invented. The big dispute was about whether gentiles should conform to Jewish practices.
He looks like your movie icon of an assassin. The Jackal
That's because movies aren't real. A real assassin would try not to look like an assassin. This is the look of someone raised on TV and film who wants to look like an assassin as it's cool, and got lucky.
The Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) has issued a warning about what it calls the "worrying trend" of students hacking their own school and college IT systems for fun or as part of dares.
It has told teachers that they are failing to understand and recognise what it calls the "insider threat" pupils pose.
It says more the majority of so-called "insider" cyber attacks and data breaches in education settings - meaning they have been carried out by someone with access to internal systems - originate with students.
But they will never work out VPNs and bypassing OSA.
If an illegal activity was committed using a VPN, the police can trace the users via a warrant to id them from the ISP and then the VPN provider
LOL...you really don't understand VPNs do you. Most paid reputable ones operate no log, RAM cache, IP mixing. Pc Plod is absolutely shit out of luck. Most of those caught doing really dodgy stuff have required a) intelligence services and b) they let something slip unrelated to VPN usage. GCHQ did have a zero day for OpenVPN, but it was closed and they won't burn something like that on some spotty teenager hacking their school.
No, some operate no log as you say not all and as you say intelligence services can be brought in to track cookies and browser fingerprints can be used as well.
And if you are accessing and running child porn sites, planning terrorist outrages and hate crimes with others then GCHQ will be brought in to find you even if your VPN provider has no logs
That is quite an escalation from spotty teenager hacks own school, which is the original conversation.
Also you have repeated showed you don't understand this VPN and anonymising yourself ok the internet, but you keep trying to make ridiculous points when somebody mentions OSA.
No, I do understand it, if you are using VPNs to commit serious crimes then VPN provider logs or not GCHQ will likely eventually catch you.
OSA was brought in primarily to stop under 10s finding porn sites and violent sites by mistake, something clearly and worryingly you don't care about, not to stop spotty teens 13+ watching legal adult porn
What - you haven't a clue
Clearly more than you it seems
I have children and grandchildren and a son who is head of IT at a local school to call on
Your last paragraph could only be written by someone who has no practical knowledge of children's interaction with the Internet
I suggested upthread, Mr G, that he lives a sheltered, perhaps unworldly, life.
Given 69% of adults back the Online Safety Act it is certainly not just the sheltered and unworldly who support it, indeed it is one of the few popular acts of this Labour government ensuring it was implemented.
Most of the public are far more authoritarian than the average PB poster
1. Teenage boys are the most technically savvy group on the planet. If they want to evade the OSA it's trivial for them. 2. By encouraging people to use VPNs, and normalising their usage, you make it much harder for the police to track real criminals. 3. It encourages people to use sites that are more likely to be dodgy
1. The OSA is focused on protection of pre pubescants from porn and violent sites NOT teenage boys. 2. The police are only interested in paedophiles and terrorists etc using VPNs as before the OSA so no real difference. 3. That is their choice but as long as still legal dodgy not a problem.
The Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) has issued a warning about what it calls the "worrying trend" of students hacking their own school and college IT systems for fun or as part of dares.
It has told teachers that they are failing to understand and recognise what it calls the "insider threat" pupils pose.
It says more the majority of so-called "insider" cyber attacks and data breaches in education settings - meaning they have been carried out by someone with access to internal systems - originate with students.
But they will never work out VPNs and bypassing OSA.
If an illegal activity was committed using a VPN, the police can trace the users via a warrant to id them from the ISP and then the VPN provider
LOL...you really don't understand VPNs do you. Most paid reputable ones operate no log, RAM cache, IP mixing. Pc Plod is absolutely shit out of luck. Most of those caught doing really dodgy stuff have required a) intelligence services and b) they let something slip unrelated to VPN usage. GCHQ did have a zero day for OpenVPN, but it was closed and they won't burn something like that on some spotty teenager hacking their school.
No, some operate no log as you say not all and as you say intelligence services can be brought in to track cookies and browser fingerprints can be used as well.
And if you are accessing and running child porn sites, planning terrorist outrages and hate crimes with others then GCHQ will be brought in to find you even if your VPN provider has no logs
That is quite an escalation from spotty teenager hacks own school, which is the original conversation.
Also you have repeated showed you don't understand this VPN and anonymising yourself ok the internet, but you keep trying to make ridiculous points when somebody mentions OSA.
No, I do understand it, if you are using VPNs to commit serious crimes then VPN provider logs or not GCHQ will likely eventually catch you.
OSA was brought in primarily to stop under 10s finding porn sites and violent sites by mistake, something clearly and worryingly you don't care about, not to stop spotty teens 13+ watching legal adult porn
What - you haven't a clue
Clearly more than you it seems
I have children and grandchildren and a son who is head of IT at a local school to call on
Your last paragraph could only be written by someone who has no practical knowledge of children's interaction with the Internet
I suggested upthread, Mr G, that he lives a sheltered, perhaps unworldly, life.
Given 69% of adults back the Online Safety Act it is certainly not just the sheltered and unworldly who support it, indeed it is one of the few popular acts of this Labour government ensuring it was implemented.
Most of the public are far more authoritarian than the average PB poster
every time there's political violence discourse i think about how jo cox was assassinated in broad daylight by a fascist who shouted "britain first" as he shot her, and now nine years later her party is dedicating every moment in power to placating the ideology of her murderer
One of the saddest things in modern UK politics is the way Jo Cox has been elevated, whilst David Amess has been relatively forgotten. Both murdered by political/religious extremists.
People pick whichever one matches their prejudices, and elevate that while minimizing the other.
I try to remember both, and also Gow. I could go back further, but they're really beyond my political time.
In today's context it's difficult to believe the LDs decided to contest the Eastbourne by-election.
Enfield Southgate was also contested by all parties in 1984 following the MP's killing in the Brighton bombing.
Personally, I think parties sitting out Batley & Spen and Southend West was entirely wrong and the precedent should be ditched.
The idea that the fact the seat might change hands between the mainstream parties at a by-election would encourage murders being carried out by people who are totally outside that mainstream seems ludicrous. A small tribute to a democratic politician who is tragically killed in the course of their duties is that democracy goes on regardless.
Er, no. By-elections can be destabilising for the government concerned. Could conceivably be a motivation. The by-election caused by Ian Gow's murder was pretty damaging for Mrs T's Govt at the time - IRA won't have minded that one bit.
Absolute nonsense. The murder of a politician is destabilising, and that's the aim. The ensuing by-election is democracy - it is the embodiment of everything those pursuing political ends through the bomb rather than the ballot are against.
The idea the IRA gave a damn either way that Paddy Ashdown (a former commander of a Royal Marine unit in Belfast incidentally) got a decent result, is risible.
Yeah, right. In the age of Russian disinformation and election manipulation, the idea that a by-election could be used to damage a govt by malicious agent is "absolute nonsense". Yeah, right.
Again. The murder is the destabilising act. The resulting election is democracy. It's a crucial distinction and I hope you'll give it some more serious thoughts.
Say we were back in 1995, and five or ten Conservative MPs were murdered. The resultant by-elections might have removed Major's majority, and caused a change in government. So yes, political murders could be used to force political change - and that's bad.
Or, to think of it, May more recently.
Firstly, a change of government to what? People who engage in political violence are interested in bringing democracy down, not getting John Smith or Tony Blair in.
Secondly, and as if to prove my point, I'm not aware that anyone did try to murder five or ten MPs in the Major era in order to bring down his Government for whatever reason... even though the convention at the time was for by-elections to be contested in such circumstances (based on Enfield Southgate and Eastbourne).
Thirdly, in Batley & Spen the MP who was tragically murdered wasn't part of the governing party so that could not possibly have been the motive and quite clearly wasn't the motive (and by your logic, does the convention apply only to governing party MPs?). In Southend West, the MP was a member of the governing party, but again it's quite obvious the motive wasn't to get a by-election that the Conservatives might lose to Labour (or anyone else).
What you're talking about is a convention where parties agree to suspend democracy over some kind of purely theoretical risk, where there's no evidence that it ever has or is ever likely to eventuate.
We are asking for the public's help identifying this person of interest in connection with the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University.
Well, there's going to be loads of false positives online from that...
Doesn't look trans...
I just read a story that the bullet had some trans messages engraved on it. If that’s true, it’s the most basic bit of misdirection ever
This is the source for that story, allegedly a photo of the screen of an FBI computer sent by an informant to Steven Crowder. For those who don’t know Crowder, he’s a conservative podcaster also famous for his public debates.
A prospective judge nominated by Trump to take an appeals court role declined to say in a confirmation hearing whether it was legal or not for the president to kill his opponents. Via Balls and Strikes
The Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) has issued a warning about what it calls the "worrying trend" of students hacking their own school and college IT systems for fun or as part of dares.
It has told teachers that they are failing to understand and recognise what it calls the "insider threat" pupils pose.
It says more the majority of so-called "insider" cyber attacks and data breaches in education settings - meaning they have been carried out by someone with access to internal systems - originate with students.
But they will never work out VPNs and bypassing OSA.
If an illegal activity was committed using a VPN, the police can trace the users via a warrant to id them from the ISP and then the VPN provider
LOL...you really don't understand VPNs do you. Most paid reputable ones operate no log, RAM cache, IP mixing. Pc Plod is absolutely shit out of luck. Most of those caught doing really dodgy stuff have required a) intelligence services and b) they let something slip unrelated to VPN usage. GCHQ did have a zero day for OpenVPN, but it was closed and they won't burn something like that on some spotty teenager hacking their school.
No, some operate no log as you say not all and as you say intelligence services can be brought in to track cookies and browser fingerprints can be used as well.
And if you are accessing and running child porn sites, planning terrorist outrages and hate crimes with others then GCHQ will be brought in to find you even if your VPN provider has no logs
That is quite an escalation from spotty teenager hacks own school, which is the original conversation.
Also you have repeated showed you don't understand this VPN and anonymising yourself ok the internet, but you keep trying to make ridiculous points when somebody mentions OSA.
No, I do understand it, if you are using VPNs to commit serious crimes then VPN provider logs or not GCHQ will likely eventually catch you.
OSA was brought in primarily to stop under 10s finding porn sites and violent sites by mistake, something clearly and worryingly you don't care about, not to stop spotty teens 13+ watching legal adult porn
What - you haven't a clue
Clearly more than you it seems
I have children and grandchildren and a son who is head of IT at a local school to call on
Your last paragraph could only be written by someone who has no practical knowledge of children's interaction with the Internet
I suggested upthread, Mr G, that he lives a sheltered, perhaps unworldly, life.
Given 69% of adults back the Online Safety Act it is certainly not just the sheltered and unworldly who support it, indeed it is one of the few popular acts of this Labour government ensuring it was implemented.
Most of the public are far more authoritarian than the average PB poster
every time there's political violence discourse i think about how jo cox was assassinated in broad daylight by a fascist who shouted "britain first" as he shot her, and now nine years later her party is dedicating every moment in power to placating the ideology of her murderer
One of the saddest things in modern UK politics is the way Jo Cox has been elevated, whilst David Amess has been relatively forgotten. Both murdered by political/religious extremists.
People pick whichever one matches their prejudices, and elevate that while minimizing the other.
I try to remember both, and also Gow. I could go back further, but they're really beyond my political time.
In today's context it's difficult to believe the LDs decided to contest the Eastbourne by-election.
Enfield Southgate was also contested by all parties in 1984 following the MP's killing in the Brighton bombing.
Personally, I think parties sitting out Batley & Spen and Southend West was entirely wrong and the precedent should be ditched.
The idea that the fact the seat might change hands between the mainstream parties at a by-election would encourage murders being carried out by people who are totally outside that mainstream seems ludicrous. A small tribute to a democratic politician who is tragically killed in the course of their duties is that democracy goes on regardless.
Er, no. By-elections can be destabilising for the government concerned. Could conceivably be a motivation. The by-election caused by Ian Gow's murder was pretty damaging for Mrs T's Govt at the time - IRA won't have minded that one bit.
Absolute nonsense. The murder of a politician is destabilising, and that's the aim. The ensuing by-election is democracy - it is the embodiment of everything those pursuing political ends through the bomb rather than the ballot are against.
The idea the IRA gave a damn either way that Paddy Ashdown (a former commander of a Royal Marine unit in Belfast incidentally) got a decent result, is risible.
Yeah, right. In the age of Russian disinformation and election manipulation, the idea that a by-election could be used to damage a govt by malicious agent is "absolute nonsense". Yeah, right.
Again. The murder is the destabilising act. The resulting election is democracy. It's a crucial distinction and I hope you'll give it some more serious thoughts.
Say we were back in 1995, and five or ten Conservative MPs were murdered. The resultant by-elections might have removed Major's majority, and caused a change in government. So yes, political murders could be used to force political change - and that's bad.
Or, to think of it, May more recently.
Firstly, a change of government to what? People who engage in political violence are interested in bringing democracy down, not getting John Smith or Tony Blair in.
Secondly, and as if to prove my point, I'm not aware that anyone did try to murder five or ten MPs in the Major era in order to bring down his Government for whatever reason... even though the convention at the time was for by-elections to be contested in such circumstances (based on Enfield Southgate and Eastbourne).
Thirdly, in Batley & Spen the MP who was tragically murdered wasn't part of the governing party so that could not possibly have been the motive and quite clearly wasn't the motive (and by your logic, does the convention apply only to governing party MPs?). In Southend West, the MP was a member of the governing party, but again it's quite obvious the motive wasn't to get a by-election that the Conservatives might lose to Labour (or anyone else).
What you're talking about is a convention where parties agree to suspend democracy over some kind of purely theoretical risk, where there's no evidence that it ever has or is ever likely to eventuate.
Firstly, to bring about a government more of their liking. Or just to cause chaos. Sometimes chaos works very well for a malicious actor.
Secondly, the IRA did try. The Brighton bombing was a decade earlier; the No. 10 mortar attack was designed to kill Major and the war cabinet.
Thirdly, how can you tell when it is 'obvious' what the motivation was?
In cases of tragic death, e.g. Michael Colvin, by all means, have a contested by-election. but we need to be much more careful when there's an assassination.
The Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) has issued a warning about what it calls the "worrying trend" of students hacking their own school and college IT systems for fun or as part of dares.
It has told teachers that they are failing to understand and recognise what it calls the "insider threat" pupils pose.
It says more the majority of so-called "insider" cyber attacks and data breaches in education settings - meaning they have been carried out by someone with access to internal systems - originate with students.
But they will never work out VPNs and bypassing OSA.
If an illegal activity was committed using a VPN, the police can trace the users via a warrant to id them from the ISP and then the VPN provider
LOL...you really don't understand VPNs do you. Most paid reputable ones operate no log, RAM cache, IP mixing. Pc Plod is absolutely shit out of luck. Most of those caught doing really dodgy stuff have required a) intelligence services and b) they let something slip unrelated to VPN usage. GCHQ did have a zero day for OpenVPN, but it was closed and they won't burn something like that on some spotty teenager hacking their school.
No, some operate no log as you say not all and as you say intelligence services can be brought in to track cookies and browser fingerprints can be used as well.
And if you are accessing and running child porn sites, planning terrorist outrages and hate crimes with others then GCHQ will be brought in to find you even if your VPN provider has no logs
That is quite an escalation from spotty teenager hacks own school, which is the original conversation.
Also you have repeated showed you don't understand this VPN and anonymising yourself ok the internet, but you keep trying to make ridiculous points when somebody mentions OSA.
No, I do understand it, if you are using VPNs to commit serious crimes then VPN provider logs or not GCHQ will likely eventually catch you.
OSA was brought in primarily to stop under 10s finding porn sites and violent sites by mistake, something clearly you don't care about, not to stop spotty teens 13+ watching legal adult porn
Sorry, but you really don't understand internet tech.
Are we are back to you are Jimmy Savile.best mate stuff. It's a bad law, implemented badly.
Oh I do, you clearly have no problem with 5 to 13 year olds finding porn and violent sites when accessing the internet and it is very concerning
In case it's of any interest, the domain name maddonkeysanctuary.org is still available.
Is howmanytimeswillmandelsonbesacked.org still available?
We are asking for the public's help identifying this person of interest in connection with the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University.
"Explicit video of Charlie Kirk shooting went viral online – because social media made death unavoidable to watch While legacy media were more restrained about showing graphic footage, it was easily available across X and Meta, writes Andrew Griffin"
Brits on holiday, however, will be able to use it.
Will that make us more or less annoying to the locals?
The EU Translators’ Union voted for it to be banned?
The tech looks to be game changing, the only reason I don’t like it is because I got the ‘old’ AirPods Pro for Christmas last year and they still work just fine.
The Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) has issued a warning about what it calls the "worrying trend" of students hacking their own school and college IT systems for fun or as part of dares.
It has told teachers that they are failing to understand and recognise what it calls the "insider threat" pupils pose.
It says more the majority of so-called "insider" cyber attacks and data breaches in education settings - meaning they have been carried out by someone with access to internal systems - originate with students.
But they will never work out VPNs and bypassing OSA.
If an illegal activity was committed using a VPN, the police can trace the users via a warrant to id them from the ISP and then the VPN provider
LOL...you really don't understand VPNs do you. Most paid reputable ones operate no log, RAM cache, IP mixing. Pc Plod is absolutely shit out of luck. Most of those caught doing really dodgy stuff have required a) intelligence services and b) they let something slip unrelated to VPN usage. GCHQ did have a zero day for OpenVPN, but it was closed and they won't burn something like that on some spotty teenager hacking their school.
No, some operate no log as you say not all and as you say intelligence services can be brought in to track cookies and browser fingerprints can be used as well.
And if you are accessing and running child porn sites, planning terrorist outrages and hate crimes with others then GCHQ will be brought in to find you even if your VPN provider has no logs
That is quite an escalation from spotty teenager hacks own school, which is the original conversation.
Also you have repeated showed you don't understand this VPN and anonymising yourself ok the internet, but you keep trying to make ridiculous points when somebody mentions OSA.
No, I do understand it, if you are using VPNs to commit serious crimes then VPN provider logs or not GCHQ will likely eventually catch you.
OSA was brought in primarily to stop under 10s finding porn sites and violent sites by mistake, something clearly and worryingly you don't care about, not to stop spotty teens 13+ watching legal adult porn
What - you haven't a clue
Clearly more than you it seems
I have children and grandchildren and a son who is head of IT at a local school to call on
Your last paragraph could only be written by someone who has no practical knowledge of children's interaction with the Internet
I suggested upthread, Mr G, that he lives a sheltered, perhaps unworldly, life.
Given 69% of adults back the Online Safety Act it is certainly not just the sheltered and unworldly who support it, indeed it is one of the few popular acts of this Labour government ensuring it was implemented.
Most of the public are far more authoritarian than the average PB poster
Brits on holiday, however, will be able to use it.
Will that make us more or less annoying to the locals?
The Translators’ Union voted for it to be banned?
The tech looks to be game changing, the only reason I don’t like it is because I got the ‘old’ AirPods Pro for Christmas last year and they still work just fine.
We are asking for the public's help identifying this person of interest in connection with the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University.
We are asking for the public's help identifying this person of interest in connection with the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University.
We are asking for the public's help identifying this person of interest in connection with the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University.
And then there were two… Bell Ribeiro-Addy drops out of the race to be Deputy Labour leader, setting up a contest between Bridget Phillipson and Lucy Powell in the next round.
every time there's political violence discourse i think about how jo cox was assassinated in broad daylight by a fascist who shouted "britain first" as he shot her, and now nine years later her party is dedicating every moment in power to placating the ideology of her murderer
One of the saddest things in modern UK politics is the way Jo Cox has been elevated, whilst David Amess has been relatively forgotten. Both murdered by political/religious extremists.
People pick whichever one matches their prejudices, and elevate that while minimizing the other.
I try to remember both, and also Gow. I could go back further, but they're really beyond my political time.
In today's context it's difficult to believe the LDs decided to contest the Eastbourne by-election.
Enfield Southgate was also contested by all parties in 1984 following the MP's killing in the Brighton bombing.
Personally, I think parties sitting out Batley & Spen and Southend West was entirely wrong and the precedent should be ditched.
The idea that the fact the seat might change hands between the mainstream parties at a by-election would encourage murders being carried out by people who are totally outside that mainstream seems ludicrous. A small tribute to a democratic politician who is tragically killed in the course of their duties is that democracy goes on regardless.
Er, no. By-elections can be destabilising for the government concerned. Could conceivably be a motivation. The by-election caused by Ian Gow's murder was pretty damaging for Mrs T's Govt at the time - IRA won't have minded that one bit.
Absolute nonsense. The murder of a politician is destabilising, and that's the aim. The ensuing by-election is democracy - it is the embodiment of everything those pursuing political ends through the bomb rather than the ballot are against.
The idea the IRA gave a damn either way that Paddy Ashdown (a former commander of a Royal Marine unit in Belfast incidentally) got a decent result, is risible.
Yeah, right. In the age of Russian disinformation and election manipulation, the idea that a by-election could be used to damage a govt by malicious agent is "absolute nonsense". Yeah, right.
Again. The murder is the destabilising act. The resulting election is democracy. It's a crucial distinction and I hope you'll give it some more serious thoughts.
Say we were back in 1995, and five or ten Conservative MPs were murdered. The resultant by-elections might have removed Major's majority, and caused a change in government. So yes, political murders could be used to force political change - and that's bad.
Or, to think of it, May more recently.
Firstly, a change of government to what? People who engage in political violence are interested in bringing democracy down, not getting John Smith or Tony Blair in.
Secondly, and as if to prove my point, I'm not aware that anyone did try to murder five or ten MPs in the Major era in order to bring down his Government for whatever reason... even though the convention at the time was for by-elections to be contested in such circumstances (based on Enfield Southgate and Eastbourne).
Thirdly, in Batley & Spen the MP who was tragically murdered wasn't part of the governing party so that could not possibly have been the motive and quite clearly wasn't the motive (and by your logic, does the convention apply only to governing party MPs?). In Southend West, the MP was a member of the governing party, but again it's quite obvious the motive wasn't to get a by-election that the Conservatives might lose to Labour (or anyone else).
What you're talking about is a convention where parties agree to suspend democracy over some kind of purely theoretical risk, where there's no evidence that it ever has or is ever likely to eventuate.
Firstly, to bring about a government more of their liking. Or just to cause chaos. Sometimes chaos works very well for a malicious actor.
Secondly, the IRA did try. The Brighton bombing was a decade earlier; the No. 10 mortar attack was designed to kill Major and the war cabinet.
Thirdly, how can you tell when it is 'obvious' what the motivation was?
In cases of tragic death, e.g. Michael Colvin, by all means, have a contested by-election. but we need to be much more careful when there's an assassination.
The intention of the Brighton bombing, and the Number 10 attack, was to kill the PM and cabinet - I completely agree that was the intention.
But, again, that's my point - it is the chaos and killing that is the intention, and the defeat of democratic politics through violence. The ensuing by-elections are neither here nor there - indeed, they are a small re-assertion of democratic politics.
You're not, surely, seriously asserting that the IRA wouldn't have bothered targeting the Thatcher or Major cabinets if they'd believed that opposition parties wouldn't contest the ensuing by-elections?
every time there's political violence discourse i think about how jo cox was assassinated in broad daylight by a fascist who shouted "britain first" as he shot her, and now nine years later her party is dedicating every moment in power to placating the ideology of her murderer
One of the saddest things in modern UK politics is the way Jo Cox has been elevated, whilst David Amess has been relatively forgotten. Both murdered by political/religious extremists.
People pick whichever one matches their prejudices, and elevate that while minimizing the other.
I try to remember both, and also Gow. I could go back further, but they're really beyond my political time.
In today's context it's difficult to believe the LDs decided to contest the Eastbourne by-election.
Enfield Southgate was also contested by all parties in 1984 following the MP's killing in the Brighton bombing.
Personally, I think parties sitting out Batley & Spen and Southend West was entirely wrong and the precedent should be ditched.
The idea that the fact the seat might change hands between the mainstream parties at a by-election would encourage murders being carried out by people who are totally outside that mainstream seems ludicrous. A small tribute to a democratic politician who is tragically killed in the course of their duties is that democracy goes on regardless.
Er, no. By-elections can be destabilising for the government concerned. Could conceivably be a motivation. The by-election caused by Ian Gow's murder was pretty damaging for Mrs T's Govt at the time - IRA won't have minded that one bit.
Absolute nonsense. The murder of a politician is destabilising, and that's the aim. The ensuing by-election is democracy - it is the embodiment of everything those pursuing political ends through the bomb rather than the ballot are against.
The idea the IRA gave a damn either way that Paddy Ashdown (a former commander of a Royal Marine unit in Belfast incidentally) got a decent result, is risible.
Yeah, right. In the age of Russian disinformation and election manipulation, the idea that a by-election could be used to damage a govt by malicious agent is "absolute nonsense". Yeah, right.
Again. The murder is the destabilising act. The resulting election is democracy. It's a crucial distinction and I hope you'll give it some more serious thoughts.
Say we were back in 1995, and five or ten Conservative MPs were murdered. The resultant by-elections might have removed Major's majority, and caused a change in government. So yes, political murders could be used to force political change - and that's bad.
Or, to think of it, May more recently.
Firstly, a change of government to what? People who engage in political violence are interested in bringing democracy down, not getting John Smith or Tony Blair in.
Secondly, and as if to prove my point, I'm not aware that anyone did try to murder five or ten MPs in the Major era in order to bring down his Government for whatever reason... even though the convention at the time was for by-elections to be contested in such circumstances (based on Enfield Southgate and Eastbourne).
Thirdly, in Batley & Spen the MP who was tragically murdered wasn't part of the governing party so that could not possibly have been the motive and quite clearly wasn't the motive (and by your logic, does the convention apply only to governing party MPs?). In Southend West, the MP was a member of the governing party, but again it's quite obvious the motive wasn't to get a by-election that the Conservatives might lose to Labour (or anyone else).
What you're talking about is a convention where parties agree to suspend democracy over some kind of purely theoretical risk, where there's no evidence that it ever has or is ever likely to eventuate.
Firstly, to bring about a government more of their liking. Or just to cause chaos. Sometimes chaos works very well for a malicious actor.
Secondly, the IRA did try. The Brighton bombing was a decade earlier; the No. 10 mortar attack was designed to kill Major and the war cabinet.
Thirdly, how can you tell when it is 'obvious' what the motivation was?
In cases of tragic death, e.g. Michael Colvin, by all means, have a contested by-election. but we need to be much more careful when there's an assassination.
The intention of the Brighton bombing, and the Number 10 attack, was to kill the PM and cabinet - I completely agree that was the intention.
But, again, that's my point - it is the chaos and killing that is the intention, and the defeat of democratic politics through violence. The ensuing by-elections are neither here nor there - indeed, they are a small re-assertion of democratic politics.
You're not, surely, seriously asserting that the IRA wouldn't have bothered targeting the Thatcher or Major cabinets if they'd believed that opposition parties wouldn't contest the ensuing by-elections?
Your last sentence is really very opaque. Could you translate without all the nots?
every time there's political violence discourse i think about how jo cox was assassinated in broad daylight by a fascist who shouted "britain first" as he shot her, and now nine years later her party is dedicating every moment in power to placating the ideology of her murderer
One of the saddest things in modern UK politics is the way Jo Cox has been elevated, whilst David Amess has been relatively forgotten. Both murdered by political/religious extremists.
What an utterly stupid post. Bringing political partisanship into the disgusting murders of two MPs because of their political allegiance is ludicrous.
I know the Amess family are frustrated with both this and the previous Government but "Cox has been elevated, whilst David Amess has been relatively forgotten" is a depressing and untrue comment. I haven't forgotten either and I can tell you where I was when I heard the news about each of them.
It is not untrue. *You* may not have forgotten, but the media seem far more keen to mention Cox more than Amess.
Which is a shame, as the reasons for their murders says a lot about some political extremes, and we are better off if we remember both in connection with each other.
What we are seeing is political allegiance - Cox was Labour and female. Amess was Tory and male. And before you complain, remember how Corbyn invited two IRA members to parliament soon after the Brighton bombings.
I'd also give a mention to Andrew Pennington, who died when Nigel Jones was attacked.
Andy was a good man. A friend of my family, as was Nigel. Nigel was himself quite badly injured and at the court case he had a heart attack which may have been triggered by PTSD, It was a horrible event and I certainly do remember where I was when I learned of it.
I haven't checked but I seem to remember it was one of the first newsworthy things that happened after the year 2000 celebrations.
Taking this back to basics; what is the harm of online porn? Take away a "Save the children!!!" aspect, then porn can teach kids unrealistic views of relationships, harmful behaviours (e.g. chokeholds), and normalisation of such behaviours. As well as exploitation of performers.
Much of which can be partially or mostly offset by parents - and schools - teaching kids about healthy relationships. And exhibiting them at home.
But if you're looking for material harmful to kids online, then there are many, many other things out there as well. From hard left- and right- wing political stuff, to cyberbullying, to stuff showing unrealistic body images.
We are asking for the public's help identifying this person of interest in connection with the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University.
Brits on holiday, however, will be able to use it.
Will that make us more or less annoying to the locals?
The Translators’ Union voted for it to be banned?
The tech looks to be game changing, the only reason I don’t like it is because I got the ‘old’ AirPods Pro for Christmas last year and they still work just fine.
Brits on holiday, however, will be able to use it.
Will that make us more or less annoying to the locals?
The Translators’ Union voted for it to be banned?
The tech looks to be game changing, the only reason I don’t like it is because I got the ‘old’ AirPods Pro for Christmas last year and they still work just fine.
"By effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, (this) has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation..."
Dubai resident Richard Tice defends his leader from tax dodging when someone bought him a house in Clacton......Good to see Mr Balls on the case. Maybe the Telegraph could bring their experience to bear
Brits on holiday, however, will be able to use it.
Will that make us more or less annoying to the locals?
The Translators’ Union voted for it to be banned?
The tech looks to be game changing, the only reason I don’t like it is because I got the ‘old’ AirPods Pro for Christmas last year and they still work just fine.
"By effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, (this) has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation..."
NEW: Bridget Phillipson has received nominations from more than half of those Labour MPs who voted, so approaching 200.
An ally describes it as "a bit of a rout".
Hmmm. I wonder if anyone can remember a Labour internal election where the candidate who received the fewest number of nominations of the four candidates among the PLP (a derisory 36 - just one above the threshold) actually went on to win pretty comfortably?
Obviously, Phillipson has to secure as many MP nominations as she can, and that's fine. I'm just not sure how much it means when it goes to the full selectorate. Indeed, it's perhaps a slightly mixed blessing to have the support of most Labour MPs when the mood in the party must be a bit gloomy about their collective performance.
Blowback on McSweeney, who advocated for Mandelson to be ambassador.
“Even yesterday all the PM's advisers were saying we need to sack him — apart from Morgan. Everyone was like, this is looking really bad for the prime minister and Morgan was like, no, we need to defend him”
The Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) has issued a warning about what it calls the "worrying trend" of students hacking their own school and college IT systems for fun or as part of dares.
It has told teachers that they are failing to understand and recognise what it calls the "insider threat" pupils pose.
It says more the majority of so-called "insider" cyber attacks and data breaches in education settings - meaning they have been carried out by someone with access to internal systems - originate with students.
But they will never work out VPNs and bypassing OSA.
If an illegal activity was committed using a VPN, the police can trace the users via a warrant to id them from the ISP and then the VPN provider
LOL...you really don't understand VPNs do you. Most paid reputable ones operate no log, RAM cache, IP mixing. Pc Plod is absolutely shit out of luck. Most of those caught doing really dodgy stuff have required a) intelligence services and b) they let something slip unrelated to VPN usage. GCHQ did have a zero day for OpenVPN, but it was closed and they won't burn something like that on some spotty teenager hacking their school.
No, some operate no log as you say not all and as you say intelligence services can be brought in to track cookies and browser fingerprints can be used as well.
And if you are accessing and running child porn sites, planning terrorist outrages and hate crimes with others then GCHQ will be brought in to find you even if your VPN provider has no logs
That is quite an escalation from spotty teenager hacks own school, which is the original conversation.
Also you have repeated showed you don't understand this VPN and anonymising yourself ok the internet, but you keep trying to make ridiculous points when somebody mentions OSA.
No, I do understand it, if you are using VPNs to commit serious crimes then VPN provider logs or not GCHQ will likely eventually catch you.
OSA was brought in primarily to stop under 10s finding porn sites and violent sites by mistake, something clearly and worryingly you don't care about, not to stop spotty teens 13+ watching legal adult porn
What - you haven't a clue
Clearly more than you it seems
I have children and grandchildren and a son who is head of IT at a local school to call on
Your last paragraph could only be written by someone who has no practical knowledge of children's interaction with the Internet
I suggested upthread, Mr G, that he lives a sheltered, perhaps unworldly, life.
Given 69% of adults back the Online Safety Act it is certainly not just the sheltered and unworldly who support it, indeed it is one of the few popular acts of this Labour government ensuring it was implemented.
Most of the public are far more authoritarian than the average PB poster
Most people, like you, are utterly, utterly ignorant about online matters.
My favourite was talking to some friends who were in favour of the OSA. Their 13 year old boy sets up and runs the family IT - cloud, WiFi etc
They couldn’t be bothered to learn. And they genuinely thought that they would get some control…..
No most are parents or grandparents who don't want their 7 year old children or grandchildren for example stumbling across porn or violent websites
And as has been repeatedly said to you the age verification is easily avoided by children of all ages
You are to become a parent later this year so you will soon be learning the issues with children and the internet and the ineffective nature of OSA
And as has been repeatedly said to you children under 10 are unlikely to know how to use a VPN and also unlikely to be searching intentionally for porn or violent material
And then there were two… Bell Ribeiro-Addy drops out of the race to be Deputy Labour leader, setting up a contest between Bridget Phillipson and Lucy Powell in the next round.
So no hard left figure in the final 2, a relief for Starmer
And then there were two… Bell Ribeiro-Addy drops out of the race to be Deputy Labour leader, setting up a contest between Bridget Phillipson and Lucy Powell in the next round.
No London luvvies in the race. Surely some mistake?
every time there's political violence discourse i think about how jo cox was assassinated in broad daylight by a fascist who shouted "britain first" as he shot her, and now nine years later her party is dedicating every moment in power to placating the ideology of her murderer
One of the saddest things in modern UK politics is the way Jo Cox has been elevated, whilst David Amess has been relatively forgotten. Both murdered by political/religious extremists.
People pick whichever one matches their prejudices, and elevate that while minimizing the other.
I try to remember both, and also Gow. I could go back further, but they're really beyond my political time.
In today's context it's difficult to believe the LDs decided to contest the Eastbourne by-election.
Enfield Southgate was also contested by all parties in 1984 following the MP's killing in the Brighton bombing.
Personally, I think parties sitting out Batley & Spen and Southend West was entirely wrong and the precedent should be ditched.
The idea that the fact the seat might change hands between the mainstream parties at a by-election would encourage murders being carried out by people who are totally outside that mainstream seems ludicrous. A small tribute to a democratic politician who is tragically killed in the course of their duties is that democracy goes on regardless.
Er, no. By-elections can be destabilising for the government concerned. Could conceivably be a motivation. The by-election caused by Ian Gow's murder was pretty damaging for Mrs T's Govt at the time - IRA won't have minded that one bit.
Absolute nonsense. The murder of a politician is destabilising, and that's the aim. The ensuing by-election is democracy - it is the embodiment of everything those pursuing political ends through the bomb rather than the ballot are against.
The idea the IRA gave a damn either way that Paddy Ashdown (a former commander of a Royal Marine unit in Belfast incidentally) got a decent result, is risible.
Yeah, right. In the age of Russian disinformation and election manipulation, the idea that a by-election could be used to damage a govt by malicious agent is "absolute nonsense". Yeah, right.
Again. The murder is the destabilising act. The resulting election is democracy. It's a crucial distinction and I hope you'll give it some more serious thoughts.
Say we were back in 1995, and five or ten Conservative MPs were murdered. The resultant by-elections might have removed Major's majority, and caused a change in government. So yes, political murders could be used to force political change - and that's bad.
Or, to think of it, May more recently.
Firstly, a change of government to what? People who engage in political violence are interested in bringing democracy down, not getting John Smith or Tony Blair in.
Secondly, and as if to prove my point, I'm not aware that anyone did try to murder five or ten MPs in the Major era in order to bring down his Government for whatever reason... even though the convention at the time was for by-elections to be contested in such circumstances (based on Enfield Southgate and Eastbourne).
Thirdly, in Batley & Spen the MP who was tragically murdered wasn't part of the governing party so that could not possibly have been the motive and quite clearly wasn't the motive (and by your logic, does the convention apply only to governing party MPs?). In Southend West, the MP was a member of the governing party, but again it's quite obvious the motive wasn't to get a by-election that the Conservatives might lose to Labour (or anyone else).
What you're talking about is a convention where parties agree to suspend democracy over some kind of purely theoretical risk, where there's no evidence that it ever has or is ever likely to eventuate.
Firstly, to bring about a government more of their liking. Or just to cause chaos. Sometimes chaos works very well for a malicious actor.
Secondly, the IRA did try. The Brighton bombing was a decade earlier; the No. 10 mortar attack was designed to kill Major and the war cabinet.
Thirdly, how can you tell when it is 'obvious' what the motivation was?
In cases of tragic death, e.g. Michael Colvin, by all means, have a contested by-election. but we need to be much more careful when there's an assassination.
The intention of the Brighton bombing, and the Number 10 attack, was to kill the PM and cabinet - I completely agree that was the intention.
But, again, that's my point - it is the chaos and killing that is the intention, and the defeat of democratic politics through violence. The ensuing by-elections are neither here nor there - indeed, they are a small re-assertion of democratic politics.
You're not, surely, seriously asserting that the IRA wouldn't have bothered targeting the Thatcher or Major cabinets if they'd believed that opposition parties wouldn't contest the ensuing by-elections?
Different groups have different motivations. Imagine, say, that Labour in 1991 was led by a Corbyn-alike who had pledged that, if elected, he would remove all British presence from Ireland. And the IRA had wiped out the PM and cabinet, forcing an election that Labour won.
As an aside, the interesting thing about the Amess murder was that the murderer was not set on him; he had looked at other politicians from several parties earlier, including Starmer.
Blowback on McSweeney, who advocated for Mandelson to be ambassador.
“Even yesterday all the PM's advisers were saying we need to sack him — apart from Morgan. Everyone was like, this is looking really bad for the prime minister and Morgan was like, no, we need to defend him”
We are asking for the public's help identifying this person of interest in connection with the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University.
Indeed. Any bullet that survived a passage like that and ended in a hard stop would not have anything legible on it. On the casing, maybe. It all sounds more than a bit far fetched.
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Most of the public are far more authoritarian than the average PB poster
https://yougov.co.uk/technology/articles/52693-how-have-britons-reacted-to-age-verification
“ In a post on X, the deputy secretary of state Chris Landau has said that he’s directed consular officials to “undertake appropriate action” against any “foreigners who glorify violence and hatred”.
He added that he’s “been disgusted to see some on social media praising, rationalizing, or making light” of Kirk’s assassination.
Notably, Landau said consular officials would also be monitoring his post to crowd source submissions from users who see posts that aren’t in line with the department’s views.”
East Germany eat your heart out.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VzgUGRRTvME
Any parallels with Lord Mandelson no doubt explain why Hat Trick has just posted this 50-seconds clip.
It does f-all to stop a pubescant child who actually wants to get this sort of content - and they're perhaps the ones to be most worried about, especially when they do it a lot.
As ever, education is needed more than law. Porn has probably existed as long as art, and parents need to have long talks with their kids about all that entails, e.g. with objectification, obsession and reality. We have with our son. We've just got to wait for a few years to see if the talks have any effect...
The idea the IRA gave a damn either way that Paddy Ashdown (a former commander of a Royal Marine unit in Belfast incidentally) got a decent result, is risible.
As I've often mentioned, the coasts of modern Turkey are still full of people of Greek descent. Not least Ataturk himself, with ancestry from the Western coast, and a classic look of many with descent from those areas.
Vale of Glamorgan looks really open as does Mid Beds
Tories will want to finish ahead of Reform in Cheshire/Tatton as this should be a weaker Reform area ( it certainly was in July 24) but residents probably hold it anyway
Labour should get massacred in Horsey Newmarket, Reform by 10 lengths
Pelsall in Walsall is probably most 'interesting' - incredibly solid Tory ward (67% last time), but can they hold off Reform??
LDs will fancy 'gaining' from Con in Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole as they won the multi member ward and it's the runner up Tory who's seat is up
(He wouldn't be the worst candidate but I imagine that Starmer will have learned a lesson and appoint a nice safe civil-service type)
We are asking for the public's help identifying this person of interest in connection with the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University.
https://x.com/FBISaltLakeCity/status/1966166991435071761
It’s called Lanusei and it’s in wild Ogliastra in Sardinia
I didn’t find any maggot cheese because it’s actually illegal. The hunt for maggot cheese goes on
1. Teenage boys are the most technically savvy group on the planet. If they want to evade the OSA it's trivial for them.
2. By encouraging people to use VPNs, and normalising their usage, you make it much harder for the police to track real criminals.
3. It encourages people to use sites that are more likely to be dodgy
Earlier, I had walked by a group of refugees from Ukraine, also Jehovah Witnesses, who have a little place on a main street near me, where they regularly offer smiles, and literature.
One of the things that makes me proud to be an American is that we -- mostly -- tolerate religious groups that are persecuted elsewhere. I have known Jehovah Witnesses all my life, and have found them to be good people, who contribute to society.
(Years ago, I used to meet local politicians who campaigned from door to door, but that seems to have stopped, at least in my neighborhood.)
For the record: I am a "cultural Christian", but have close relatives who are Evangelicals.
Arrest Bez!!
Which leads on to the fact that what really exercised most people back then was getting the ritual right, and paying proper honour to the Gods. What made Christianity very unusual was the emphasis upon correct theological belief, at least among the leading clerics. I doubt if the average Christian would have been much bothered by theological differences before the persecutions of the late Third Century, which resulted in a massive dispute between Christians who followed those clergy who had been martyred, and those who followed those clergy who had outwardly conformed to the authorities, or bribed them to look the other way. What made Christians hated by pagan authorities was less belief in Christ (they might readily accept that Christ was another deity), and more their refusal to pay proper honour to the State Gods. And, they saw the disasters of the Third Century as being very much down to Divine anger at such refusal.
But, there were never arguments over the Trinity among first century Christians, because the doctrine had not been invented. The big dispute was about whether gentiles should conform to Jewish practices.
Usually!
It all depends on who knew what and when
BBC defo going in studs up for toppling Starmer.
And in other news Useless Lucy makes the cut.
Got to be a loose fit up
It’s like discovering they make really good sherry down the Grand Canyon
@JasonGroves1
No 10 said this morning that the PM still has 'full confidence' in McSweeney, despite his influential role in Mandelson's appointment. Not that getting No 10's 'full confidence' is necessarily all that reassuring these days...
https://x.com/JasonGroves1/status/1966152093670215869
Or, to think of it, May more recently.
Slim young white male. Sunglasses
He looks like your movie icon of an assassin. The Jackal
Though I do fear the mods might issue a warning about porn being posted...
He's too central not to have a big impact on things.
https://news.sky.com/story/police-investigation-after-incident-at-mp-sharon-hodgsons-constituency-office-13428624
2. The police are only interested in paedophiles and terrorists etc using VPNs as before the OSA so no real difference.
3. That is their choice but as long as still legal dodgy not a problem.
https://www.macrumors.com/2025/09/11/airpods-live-translation-eu-restricted/
Brits on holiday, however, will be able to use it.
Will that make us more or less annoying to the locals?
My favourite was talking to some friends who were in favour of the OSA. Their 13 year old boy sets up and runs the family IT - cloud, WiFi etc
They couldn’t be bothered to learn. And they genuinely thought that they would get some control…..
Secondly, and as if to prove my point, I'm not aware that anyone did try to murder five or ten MPs in the Major era in order to bring down his Government for whatever reason... even though the convention at the time was for by-elections to be contested in such circumstances (based on Enfield Southgate and Eastbourne).
Thirdly, in Batley & Spen the MP who was tragically murdered wasn't part of the governing party so that could not possibly have been the motive and quite clearly wasn't the motive (and by your logic, does the convention apply only to governing party MPs?). In Southend West, the MP was a member of the governing party, but again it's quite obvious the motive wasn't to get a by-election that the Conservatives might lose to Labour (or anyone else).
What you're talking about is a convention where parties agree to suspend democracy over some kind of purely theoretical risk, where there's no evidence that it ever has or is ever likely to eventuate.
Per twitter.
https://x.com/scrowder/status/1966118431511433267
A prospective judge nominated by Trump to take an appeals court role declined to say in a confirmation hearing whether it was legal or not for the president to kill his opponents. Via Balls and Strikes
https://bsky.app/profile/michaelsderby.bsky.social/post/3lyl572zluk2a
Secondly, the IRA did try. The Brighton bombing was a decade earlier; the No. 10 mortar attack was designed to kill Major and the war cabinet.
Thirdly, how can you tell when it is 'obvious' what the motivation was?
In cases of tragic death, e.g. Michael Colvin, by all means, have a contested by-election. but we need to be much more careful when there's an assassination.
https://x.com/exiledarizona/status/1966148344897744930
While legacy media were more restrained about showing graphic footage, it was easily available across X and Meta, writes Andrew Griffin"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/charlie-kirk-shooting-youtube-x-facebook-b2824400.html
The tech looks to be game changing, the only reason I don’t like it is because I got the ‘old’ AirPods Pro for Christmas last year and they still work just fine.
You are to become a parent later this year so you will soon be learning the issues with children and the internet and the ineffective nature of OSA
https://www.macrumors.com/2025/09/09/live-translation-airpods-4-airpods-pro-2/
Caerphilly.
NEW: Bridget Phillipson has received nominations from more than half of those Labour MPs who voted, so approaching 200.
An ally describes it as "a bit of a rout".
https://bsky.app/profile/thelincoln.bsky.social/post/3lyl5ljm2h22m
And then there were two… Bell Ribeiro-Addy drops out of the race to be Deputy Labour leader, setting up a contest between Bridget Phillipson and Lucy Powell in the next round.
But, again, that's my point - it is the chaos and killing that is the intention, and the defeat of democratic politics through violence. The ensuing by-elections are neither here nor there - indeed, they are a small re-assertion of democratic politics.
You're not, surely, seriously asserting that the IRA wouldn't have bothered targeting the Thatcher or Major cabinets if they'd believed that opposition parties wouldn't contest the ensuing by-elections?
https://x.com/SAThevoz/status/1966179843957305795
Much of which can be partially or mostly offset by parents - and schools - teaching kids about healthy relationships. And exhibiting them at home.
But if you're looking for material harmful to kids online, then there are many, many other things out there as well. From hard left- and right- wing political stuff, to cyberbullying, to stuff showing unrealistic body images.
But the kind of person who assassinates someone is often just very weird, like the Trump shooter, with no coherent motivation.
Now I love that feature!
"By effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, (this) has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN-BgdEkl90
Obviously, Phillipson has to secure as many MP nominations as she can, and that's fine. I'm just not sure how much it means when it goes to the full selectorate. Indeed, it's perhaps a slightly mixed blessing to have the support of most Labour MPs when the mood in the party must be a bit gloomy about their collective performance.
Blowback on McSweeney, who advocated for Mandelson to be ambassador.
“Even yesterday all the PM's advisers were saying we need to sack him — apart from Morgan. Everyone was like, this is looking really bad for the prime minister and Morgan was like, no, we need to defend him”
As an aside, the interesting thing about the Amess murder was that the murderer was not set on him; he had looked at other politicians from several parties earlier, including Starmer.
I have booked a holiday starting the 20th of October until the 30th of October.
AI is going to take over the Worldhttps://bsky.app/profile/eliothiggins.bsky.social/post/3lyl6xvupuk2s