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  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,535
    Roger said:

    nico67 said:

    isam said:

    nico67 said:

    I wonder what the reaction would have been in the media if Labour invited someone of inciting people to burn a hotel down to their conference.

    The fact that the media are ignoring what Reform did today is quite astonishing.

    Are they ignoring it? I heard about it via Dan Hodges of the Daily Mail, and he was scathing about it
    Let’s see what the BBC and ITV do .
    "Patriot and national heroin Lucy Connolly throws her lot in with God's own party"???
    If you remember Kenny Everett and Peter Lilley it was the same thing. It seemed like a goood idea at the time but it defined the Tory Party fror the next 20 years. It's really where Mrs May's 'Nasty Party' originated.

    Farage has made a rod for his own back and Reform in it's present guise with him and Tice in control have no chance-in my opinion - of even doing better than the Conservatives.
    Has anyone actually watched the interview, or are we just clutching our pearls at it?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,810
    edited September 6
    Don’t be surprised to see a lot more Japanese tourists in the UK next summer.

    Hiroshi Suzuki is on a one man mission to promote the UK to the Japanese.

    Today he was in Manchester.

    https://x.com/andyburnhamgm/status/1964224163637268760
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,133
    Eabhal said:

    nico67 said:

    Eabhal said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    I wonder what the reaction would have been in the media if Labour invited someone of inciting people to burn a hotel down to their conference.

    The fact that the media are ignoring what Reform did today is quite astonishing.

    I've always found it a useful maxim that things you think ought to be important, often aren't.
    Surely inviting a convicted criminal and then lauding her as the return of Mother Teresa should be a step too far.

    Then they topped it off with the anti-vaxxer .
    And all the time winning the public over

    No point in arguing reason when the public have lost faith in both main parties

    You will see a lot more that really upsets you [ and me ] and the way to defeat it is with action not words by Starmer and Reeves who after all they are in government

    And Ashton seems to have turned against Rayner in a big way
    Actually, I don't think this is true at all. Reform voters are significant outliers on most issues such as this, but even then they aren't as MAGA as you might think - e.g. a majority of Reform voters backed Net Zero policies back in May.

    Like all parties, their members are far more extreme than their voters, so I think anti-vaxxer type stuff is likely to put their own voters off. I'm not sure about Lucy Connolly but I vaguely recall a majority of Reform voters being against the rioting, arson etc
    What tends to happen is their support becomes more radical . This is what’s happened in the USA and Maga.

    Supporters will try and justify their continued allegiance to the party by excusing certain party positions, and downgrading them in importance .

    For this reason the opposition parties need to act quickly , there’s no point trying to combat Reform close to the election , the radicalisation would have already taken place by then .

    Parties need to wake up , hammer social media and do everything possible to claw back some of those Reform voters who haven’t passed the point of no return .
    Yes, agree with that. Precisely what happened with Republicans. They aren't full MAGA - yet.
    You can see the transformation by the polling as to the GOP percentage who viewed themselves as Maga . This has gone continually up over the last few years . The UK media who aren’t Reform lickspittles need to stop sanewashing Reform .
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,479
    Off topic: Your bookies really ought to be covering this election: https://explore.org/fat-bear-week
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,780
    Reform totally doubling down on Lucy Connolly, a former convict, being the great tribune of our times.

    Labour need to go after this on social media relentlessly.

  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,133
    Good for her . Go Rosena .
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,217
    nico67 said:

    Wow. I must just jaw drop wow...


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    This is frankly one of the worst things Donald Trump has ever posted, which is really saying something

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1964370370607403086

    Good grief he’s insane and utterly despicable.
    Just the second, I think. There's no credible insanity defence for his crimes.
  • Reform totally doubling down on Lucy Connolly, a former convict, being the great tribune of our times.

    Labour need to go after this on social media relentlessly.

    Apparently prospective parliamentary candidate for them
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,133

    Reform totally doubling down on Lucy Connolly, a former convict, being the great tribune of our times.

    Labour need to go after this on social media relentlessly.

    They should but apparently their social media isn’t up to much .
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,953
    I kind of preferred it when he was dead...


  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,780

    Oliver Stirling
    @OWS1892
    ·
    2h
    Freaks. An absolute menagerie of full-blown freaks.

    https://x.com/OWS1892/status/1964353905120117045
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,018
    ...

    Reform totally doubling down on Lucy Connolly, a former convict, being the great tribune of our times.

    Labour need to go after this on social media relentlessly.

    Like a rat out of a trap, the Labour Comms operation have it covered. They have already posted on MySpace and Friends Reunited.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,133
    edited September 6

    Reform totally doubling down on Lucy Connolly, a former convict, being the great tribune of our times.

    Labour need to go after this on social media relentlessly.

    Apparently prospective parliamentary candidate for them
    If Reform pick her then they deserve to be destroyed . Although of course they got away with the wife beater where the media gave them a free pass .
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,813

    ...

    Reform totally doubling down on Lucy Connolly, a former convict, being the great tribune of our times.

    Labour need to go after this on social media relentlessly.

    Like a rat out of a trap, the Labour Comms operation have it covered. They have already posted on MySpace and Friends Reunited.
    They've covered the AOL forums I hope?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,208
    Foxy said:

    I kind of preferred it when he was dead...


    Charlie might not surf but if the staffers who run your twitter take too much then this happens.
  • Roger said:

    nico67 said:

    isam said:

    nico67 said:

    I wonder what the reaction would have been in the media if Labour invited someone of inciting people to burn a hotel down to their conference.

    The fact that the media are ignoring what Reform did today is quite astonishing.

    Are they ignoring it? I heard about it via Dan Hodges of the Daily Mail, and he was scathing about it
    Let’s see what the BBC and ITV do .
    "Patriot and national heroin Lucy Connolly throws her lot in with God's own party"???
    If you remember Kenny Everett and Peter Lilley it was the same thing. It seemed like a goood idea at the time but it defined the Tory Party fror the next 20 years. It's really where Mrs May's 'Nasty Party' originated.

    Farage has made a rod for his own back and Reform in it's present guise with him and Tice in control have no chance-in my opinion - of even doing better than the Conservatives.
    Has anyone actually watched the interview, or are we just clutching our pearls at it?
    You will never placate @Roger as you are both at the extreme ends of the political divide, though at present Reform are beating all before them ably assisted by the failures of Starmer, Reeves, Rayner etc and all
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,018

    Reform totally doubling down on Lucy Connolly, a former convict, being the great tribune of our times.

    Labour need to go after this on social media relentlessly.

    Apparently prospective parliamentary candidate for them
    **** me!

    As Angela Rayner's career crashes to earth for a financial error, Dame Lucy's is in the ascendency.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,780

    Reform totally doubling down on Lucy Connolly, a former convict, being the great tribune of our times.

    Labour need to go after this on social media relentlessly.

    Apparently prospective parliamentary candidate for them
    For where?
  • Reform totally doubling down on Lucy Connolly, a former convict, being the great tribune of our times.

    Labour need to go after this on social media relentlessly.

    Apparently prospective parliamentary candidate for them
    For where?
    Anywhere she can win no doubt
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,018

    ...

    Reform totally doubling down on Lucy Connolly, a former convict, being the great tribune of our times.

    Labour need to go after this on social media relentlessly.

    Like a rat out of a trap, the Labour Comms operation have it covered. They have already posted on MySpace and Friends Reunited.
    They've covered the AOL forums I hope?
    Undoubtedly. There are no flies on them.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,813

    Reform totally doubling down on Lucy Connolly, a former convict, being the great tribune of our times.

    Labour need to go after this on social media relentlessly.

    Apparently prospective parliamentary candidate for them
    For where?
    Anywhere she can win no doubt
    Clacton. So Nigel can do even less work
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,236

    Lmao, Dorries in the Mail urging a Reform Tory pact/coalition (but not with Kemi in charge)
    I thought the Tories were dead Nads??

    The Tory Reform coalition is necessary. Not just for the political expertise that the Tories will bring, but for the mandate. Let's say that Reform get 37% of the vote. That doesn't represent a moral mandate. Add the Tories theoretical 22%, and that is a rock solid mandate to reverse Blair's constitutional vandalism, take all the steps necessary to solve the issue of legal and illegal migration, get the economy going, and the public finances moving back in the right direction.
    You do know Reform are a high tax and spend party. They want to give lots of public money to WWC areas as their voter bribe as well as spending huge amounts on immigration deterrence and, I imagine ID cards as well as the costs of deporting hundreds of thousands of people to God knows where.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,780
    Oh.

    It's Farage, Badenoch and Burnham for Laura K tomorrow.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,018

    Reform totally doubling down on Lucy Connolly, a former convict, being the great tribune of our times.

    Labour need to go after this on social media relentlessly.

    Apparently prospective parliamentary candidate for them
    For where?
    A rotten borough?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,012

    ...

    Reform totally doubling down on Lucy Connolly, a former convict, being the great tribune of our times.

    Labour need to go after this on social media relentlessly.

    Like a rat out of a trap, the Labour Comms operation have it covered. They have already posted on MySpace and Friends Reunited.
    Nows the time for the Lib Dems to fill the void. Which they won’t.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,813

    ...

    Reform totally doubling down on Lucy Connolly, a former convict, being the great tribune of our times.

    Labour need to go after this on social media relentlessly.

    Like a rat out of a trap, the Labour Comms operation have it covered. They have already posted on MySpace and Friends Reunited.
    They've covered the AOL forums I hope?
    Undoubtedly. There are no flies on them.
    Good, good. Best to secure the bounds on these things
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,133

    Oh.

    It's Farage, Badenoch and Burnham for Laura K tomorrow.

    Farage was interviewed before today. It’s still questionable though whether LK would have asked him why they invited Connolly to the conference.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,018
    Foxy said:

    I kind of preferred it when he was dead...


    When Trump is done, Farage is going to be so soiled by the association.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,813
    nico67 said:

    Oh.

    It's Farage, Badenoch and Burnham for Laura K tomorrow.

    Farage was interviewed before today. It’s still questionable though whether LK would have asked him why they invited Connolly to the conference.
    It will still be fresh in the memory for his next 462 QT appearances before Xmas
  • Reform totally doubling down on Lucy Connolly, a former convict, being the great tribune of our times.

    Labour need to go after this on social media relentlessly.

    Apparently prospective parliamentary candidate for them
    It really is the Trumpification of our politics. Stuff that was once out of bounds (for very good reasons) now being normalised. All sorts of grisly flotsam and jetsam beginning to surface. Grim.
    I agree and it is
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,337
    stodge said:

    Lmao, Dorries in the Mail urging a Reform Tory pact/coalition (but not with Kemi in charge)
    I thought the Tories were dead Nads??

    Yet you listen to Iain Dale and realise there are plenty of Conservatives who loathe Reform and everything for which it stands so selling such a "pact" doesn't look easy. Presumably Dorries is hoping Jenrick will take over the Conservatives in 2026 and will make overtures to Farage.

    How many Reform voters would vote for a Conservative candidate absent a Reform candidate - probably more than Tories who would vote Reform if there were no Conservative candidate?
    When it was just Nigel, many Tories regarded UKIP etc. merely as the playthings of a wayward son. But it's gone way beyond Nigel now - a serious far-Right movement is emerging, host to no end of dangerous zanies, and I for one don't think even Nigel can control it for much longer. It's understandable that many Tories are now getting queasy, but they should have been wise to this long ago.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,976
    edited September 6

    Reform totally doubling down on Lucy Connolly, a former convict, being the great tribune of our times.

    Labour need to go after this on social media relentlessly.

    No, they should stay well away from that.

    The more they look like they're after Connolly, the more the grievance narrative will build - look at Labour after this normal everyday woman yadda yadda.

    Reform are either going to defeat themselves, or Labour (because it's only really Labour who can, they are the government) are going to defeat them with results. That's not to say Labour's messaging doesn't need to be sharper - it does, but going after Connolly will drag them into a debate they won't come out of well at the moment with a lot of Reform-inclined voters, IMHO.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,810
    Someone wins the “best place to put a flag” award for today.

    https://x.com/inevitablewest/status/1964375892937101605

    Is this going to be like these engineering student challenges from back in the day, which finished with cars appearing on top of 10-storey buildings overnight?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,985
    Chris Mason thinks it the most interesting Conference he's seen for the last twenty years. That was the view from the BBC. To those watching the coverage it looked like Chris Mason was a case for the men in their flapping white coats as did those leaving the hall.

    ...... Widdicombe ...Rees Mogg.. Tice ...Farage......anti vaxxers..... stripey blazers...straw hats ....spats..... It's right wing Party time!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,734

    ...

    Reform totally doubling down on Lucy Connolly, a former convict, being the great tribune of our times.

    Labour need to go after this on social media relentlessly.

    Like a rat out of a trap, the Labour Comms operation have it covered. They have already posted on MySpace and Friends Reunited.
    They've covered the AOL forums I hope?
    USENET, Shirley?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,133
    Another fawning Reform article on the BBC from Chris Mason .

    Not a word about Connolly or the anti-vaxxer . Does the fxckwit realize he’ll be out of a job if Reform win . Wtf is wrong with the BBC , they’re not even impartial anymore .

  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,236


    Oliver Stirling
    @OWS1892
    ·
    2h
    Freaks. An absolute menagerie of full-blown freaks.

    https://x.com/OWS1892/status/1964353905120117045

    Makes those who backed John Redwood in 1995 look positively normal.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,018

    Oh.

    It's Farage, Badenoch and Burnham for Laura K tomorrow.

    Farage goes without saying really. I wonder if she'll call him out for his bed soiling episode in Congress.

    A tip for Kemi. Make sure you are lawyered up so you avoid slandering Rayner.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,780
    stodge said:


    Oliver Stirling
    @OWS1892
    ·
    2h
    Freaks. An absolute menagerie of full-blown freaks.

    https://x.com/OWS1892/status/1964353905120117045

    Makes those who backed John Redwood in 1995 look positively normal.
    Maybe that was the start of it all though?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,985
    kinabalu said:

    Wow. I must just jaw drop wow...

    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    This is frankly one of the worst things Donald Trump has ever posted, which is really saying something

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1964370370607403086

    He looks like the prison guard in Cool Hand Luke.
    https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=greenall+whitney+cool+hand+luke+commercial#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:cd8c1547,vid:J46OAfaAu9A,st:0
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,813
    edited September 6

    stodge said:

    Lmao, Dorries in the Mail urging a Reform Tory pact/coalition (but not with Kemi in charge)
    I thought the Tories were dead Nads??

    Yet you listen to Iain Dale and realise there are plenty of Conservatives who loathe Reform and everything for which it stands so selling such a "pact" doesn't look easy. Presumably Dorries is hoping Jenrick will take over the Conservatives in 2026 and will make overtures to Farage.

    How many Reform voters would vote for a Conservative candidate absent a Reform candidate - probably more than Tories who would vote Reform if there were no Conservative candidate?
    When it was just Nigel, many Tories regarded UKIP etc. merely as the playthings of a wayward son. But it's gone way beyond Nigel now - a serious far-Right movement is emerging, host to no end of dangerous zanies, and I for one don't think even Nigel can control it for much longer. It's understandable that many Tories are now getting queasy, but they should have been wise to this long ago.
    The right inclined will have a choice to make. Reform, Tory or stay at home. The more feral the arguments become the more some of the grey vote that has jumped and the merely dissatisfied but not white hot angry will start to prevaricate imo.
    Farage cannot afford Reform to become the 2009 BNP 6.2% redux and expect to get mass support. In other words, whilst the anger at the state of things, especially immigration, boats, crime is driving support to him, he cannot allow the anger to sweep Reform along.
    He actually has a very important role to play in where we end up
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,734

    ...

    Reform totally doubling down on Lucy Connolly, a former convict, being the great tribune of our times.

    Labour need to go after this on social media relentlessly.

    Like a rat out of a trap, the Labour Comms operation have it covered. They have already posted on MySpace and Friends Reunited.
    They've covered the AOL forums I hope?
    Undoubtedly. There are no flies on them.
    Have they sent telegrams to everyone?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,813

    stodge said:


    Oliver Stirling
    @OWS1892
    ·
    2h
    Freaks. An absolute menagerie of full-blown freaks.

    https://x.com/OWS1892/status/1964353905120117045

    Makes those who backed John Redwood in 1995 look positively normal.
    Maybe that was the start of it all though?
    92-97 the five unwanted years that wrecked everything
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,012
    nico67 said:

    Another fawning Reform article on the BBC from Chris Mason .

    Not a word about Connolly or the anti-vaxxer . Does the fxckwit realize he’ll be out of a job if Reform win . Wtf is wrong with the BBC , they’re not even impartial anymore .

    They’re scared. Understandably. See USA and journalism for a taste of things to come.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,780
    nico67 said:

    Another fawning Reform article on the BBC from Chris Mason .

    Not a word about Connolly or the anti-vaxxer . Does the fxckwit realize he’ll be out of a job if Reform win . Wtf is wrong with the BBC , they’re not even impartial anymore .

    That is just appalling.

    Not sure the word 'fawning' does justice on that piece.

    Pass the bloody sick bucket.

  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,133
    Sean_F said:

    Perhaps the “mainstream” parties could do a better job. Govern honestly and competently, and Reform would not get a foot in the door.

    It’s not just about that . The goalposts will keep being shifted by Reform in an effort to keep the anger going .
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,780
    The BBC clearly has a death wish.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,018
    Roger said:

    Chris Mason thinks it the most interesting Conference he's seen for the last twenty years. That was the view from the BBC. To those watching the coverage it looked like Chris Mason was a case for the men in their flapping white coats as did those leaving the hall.

    ...... Widdicombe ...Rees Mogg.. Tice ...Farage......anti vaxxers..... stripey blazers...straw hats ....spats..... It's right wing Party time!

    When Kuennsberg fell on her sword I was hoping for a Vicky Young promotion. Instead they handed the baton to this spanner.
  • Reform totally doubling down on Lucy Connolly, a former convict, being the great tribune of our times.

    Labour need to go after this on social media relentlessly.

    Apparently prospective parliamentary candidate for them
    For where?
    Southport.

    (That's just a prediction from me.)
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,018

    ...

    Reform totally doubling down on Lucy Connolly, a former convict, being the great tribune of our times.

    Labour need to go after this on social media relentlessly.

    Like a rat out of a trap, the Labour Comms operation have it covered. They have already posted on MySpace and Friends Reunited.
    They've covered the AOL forums I hope?
    Undoubtedly. There are no flies on them.
    Have they sent telegrams to everyone?
    Pigeon post.

    They are the Party of the working classes.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,848
    boulay said:

    Wow. I must just jaw drop wow...


    Aaron Rupar
    @atrupar

    This is frankly one of the worst things Donald Trump has ever posted, which is really saying something

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1964370370607403086

    Not this?


    Thank you for your attention and synthesis in this thing-in-itself.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,133
    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    Another fawning Reform article on the BBC from Chris Mason .

    Not a word about Connolly or the anti-vaxxer . Does the fxckwit realize he’ll be out of a job if Reform win . Wtf is wrong with the BBC , they’re not even impartial anymore .

    They’re scared. Understandably. See USA and journalism for a taste of things to come.
    But they’re doing their best to help them. Do they seriously think Reform will thank them if they win .
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,893
    edited September 6
    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Reminds one of the phrase: "They told us to eff off, so we did".

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15070229/Mallorcas-war-British-tourists-backfired.html

    "'The English don't come any more...we miss their money': How Mallorca's war on British tourists backfired"

    What exactly did they expect would happen?
    I don't think the Mallorcans campaigning against (British) tourists are the same Mallorcans as the Mallorcans lamenting their disappearance.
    It isn't a campaign against British tourists, it is a campaign against excessive drinking, and loud loutish behaviour, which just happens to be Brits on holiday.

    Mallorca has decided to move more upmarket, and probably rightly so. It is a lovely island and I have enjoyed a number of holidays there myself over the years. Different resorts cater to different markets and often different nationalities. There is a definite market for cheap booze and all night partying, and while not my thing am happy that this goes on elsewhere. I understand why the local residents get tired of it.
    Why do you say “myself” in the sentence “I have enjoyed a number of holidays there myself”?

    Clearly you are referring to you when you say “I”, so you don’t need to say “myself”

    When I hear this usage of “myself” I can only hear it in the adenoidal tones of Kier Starmer. “I myself have a number of cardigans of different colours”

    It’s very @IanB2, very Ventnor
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,976
    Sean_F said:

    Perhaps the “mainstream” parties could do a better job. Govern honestly and competently, and Reform would not get a foot in the door.

    Absolutely,

    Reform is a symptom. This should be a wake-up call.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,813

    nico67 said:

    Another fawning Reform article on the BBC from Chris Mason .

    Not a word about Connolly or the anti-vaxxer . Does the fxckwit realize he’ll be out of a job if Reform win . Wtf is wrong with the BBC , they’re not even impartial anymore .

    That is just appalling.

    Not sure the word 'fawning' does justice on that piece.

    Pass the bloody sick bucket.

    Hes already written his pieces about the difficult Labour conference, the increasingly sidelined Tory conference and the sombre Lib Dem conference 'lacking in its usual stunts'
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,581
    Carnyx said:

    Roger said:

    nico67 said:

    I wonder what the reaction would have been in the media if Labour invited someone of inciting people to burn a hotel down to their conference.

    The fact that the media are ignoring what Reform did today is quite astonishing.

    A strange Any Questions today. Zack Polanski is definitely one to watch. A bit too much student politics about him but an infectious enthusiasm. Could he make a difference? He hasn't got the baggage of the Sultanas and his critique on Farage bordered on hatred and every shot landed

    ....So its possible. I'm pretty sure Farage is miles from a certainty. There are just to many haters and ridiculers and under any sort of scrutiny he folds.
    Mr P had better have lawyered up for everything he's done financially, ever since playing supermarket tellers with plastic coins at kindergarten. That's the right wing media after him now.
    The media won’t attack Polanski unless they see him as a threat to Reform. As long as he is a bigger threat to Labour he will get an easy ride.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,763

    nico67 said:

    Another fawning Reform article on the BBC from Chris Mason .

    Not a word about Connolly or the anti-vaxxer . Does the fxckwit realize he’ll be out of a job if Reform win . Wtf is wrong with the BBC , they’re not even impartial anymore .

    That is just appalling.

    Not sure the word 'fawning' does justice on that piece.

    Pass the bloody sick bucket.

    It's not even just standard anti-vaxxing - it's vaccines killed the Queen and gave Kate cancer.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,763
    Sean_F said:

    Perhaps the “mainstream” parties could do a better job. Govern honestly and competently, and Reform would not get a foot in the door.

    You sound like one of those sanctimonious Republicans in 2016.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,848
    nico67 said:

    Oh.

    It's Farage, Badenoch and Burnham for Laura K tomorrow.

    Farage was interviewed before today. It’s still questionable though whether LK would have asked him why they invited Connolly to the conference.
    Not mentioned either in this gushing piece, which is probably a better effort than Reform's PR dept could have managed themselves.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62zdpke8kko
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,893
    Eabhal said:

    Sean_F said:

    Perhaps the “mainstream” parties could do a better job. Govern honestly and competently, and Reform would not get a foot in the door.

    You sound like one of those sanctimonious Republicans in 2016.
    Completely true however. It’s the mainstream parties that have comprehensively misgoverned Britain for 20 years, that have led to Reform having a 10 point lead

    There is no one else to blame. It’s them
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,133
    Nigelb said:

    nico67 said:

    Oh.

    It's Farage, Badenoch and Burnham for Laura K tomorrow.

    Farage was interviewed before today. It’s still questionable though whether LK would have asked him why they invited Connolly to the conference.
    Not mentioned either in this gushing piece, which is probably a better effort than Reform's PR dept could have managed themselves.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62zdpke8kko
    I’m still recovering from reading it ! If any other party had platformed Connolly and the anti-vaxxer it would have been wall to wall coverage .
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,958
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sean_F said:

    Perhaps the “mainstream” parties could do a better job. Govern honestly and competently, and Reform would not get a foot in the door.

    You sound like one of those sanctimonious Republicans in 2016.
    Completely true however. It’s the mainstream parties that have comprehensively misgoverned Britain for 20 years, that have led to Reform having a 10 point lead

    There is no one else to blame. It’s them
    And also not treat large parts of the electorate with such disdain.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,012

    nico67 said:

    Another fawning Reform article on the BBC from Chris Mason .

    Not a word about Connolly or the anti-vaxxer . Does the fxckwit realize he’ll be out of a job if Reform win . Wtf is wrong with the BBC , they’re not even impartial anymore .

    That is just appalling.

    Not sure the word 'fawning' does justice on that piece.

    Pass the bloody sick bucket.

    Hes already written his pieces about the difficult Labour conference, the increasingly sidelined Tory conference and the sombre Lib Dem conference 'lacking in its usual stunts'
    The Lib Dem conference is going to be surprisingly argumentative. My prediction.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,946
    Good evening PB!

    I see Labour are still ending the chaos...
  • BREAKING - Shocker of a first full day in office for new Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood after more than 1,000 small boat migrants crossed the Channel illegally on Saturday - a sobering insight into the scale of the challenge she faces. 30,000+ have now crossed so far this year.

    https://x.com/markwhiteTV/status/1964387739274457253
  • boulayboulay Posts: 7,208
    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    Another fawning Reform article on the BBC from Chris Mason .

    Not a word about Connolly or the anti-vaxxer . Does the fxckwit realize he’ll be out of a job if Reform win . Wtf is wrong with the BBC , they’re not even impartial anymore .

    That is just appalling.

    Not sure the word 'fawning' does justice on that piece.

    Pass the bloody sick bucket.

    Hes already written his pieces about the difficult Labour conference, the increasingly sidelined Tory conference and the sombre Lib Dem conference 'lacking in its usual stunts'
    The Lib Dem conference is going to be surprisingly argumentative. My prediction.
    The Sandals Front v The Crocs Caucus?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,813
    edited September 6
    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    Another fawning Reform article on the BBC from Chris Mason .

    Not a word about Connolly or the anti-vaxxer . Does the fxckwit realize he’ll be out of a job if Reform win . Wtf is wrong with the BBC , they’re not even impartial anymore .

    That is just appalling.

    Not sure the word 'fawning' does justice on that piece.

    Pass the bloody sick bucket.

    Hes already written his pieces about the difficult Labour conference, the increasingly sidelined Tory conference and the sombre Lib Dem conference 'lacking in its usual stunts'
    The Lib Dem conference is going to be surprisingly argumentative. My prediction.
    No its not!
    No, hang on, im not going
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,337
    edited September 6
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Reminds one of the phrase: "They told us to eff off, so we did".

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15070229/Mallorcas-war-British-tourists-backfired.html

    "'The English don't come any more...we miss their money': How Mallorca's war on British tourists backfired"

    What exactly did they expect would happen?
    I don't think the Mallorcans campaigning against (British) tourists are the same Mallorcans as the Mallorcans lamenting their disappearance.
    It isn't a campaign against British tourists, it is a campaign against excessive drinking, and loud loutish behaviour, which just happens to be Brits on holiday.

    Mallorca has decided to move more upmarket, and probably rightly so. It is a lovely island and I have enjoyed a number of holidays there myself over the years. Different resorts cater to different markets and often different nationalities. There is a definite market for cheap booze and all night partying, and while not my thing am happy that this goes on elsewhere. I understand why the local residents get tired of it.
    Why do you say “myself” in the sentence “I have enjoyed a number of holidays there myself”?

    Clearly you are referring to you when you say “I”, so you don’t need to say “myself”

    When I hear this usage of “myself” I can only hear it in the adenoidal tones of Kier Starmer. “I myself have a number of cardigans of different colours”

    It’s very @IanB2, very Ventnor
    It's known as the 'emphatic form' - the writer wants us to know that the fact he has been to Mallorca is the main point of the sentence. But I agree it shouldn't be overdone. Anyway, I'm off for a drink.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,133

    BREAKING - Shocker of a first full day in office for new Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood after more than 1,000 small boat migrants crossed the Channel illegally on Saturday - a sobering insight into the scale of the challenge she faces. 30,000+ have now crossed so far this year.

    https://x.com/markwhiteTV/status/1964387739274457253

    Not a surprise given the windy weather had stopped boats for over a week and there was going to be a huge surge today .
  • Straw in the wind from Sky

    End of Rayner's worker's right legislation?

    Author of Employment Rights Bill follows Rayner out the door

    Justin Madders MP has been sacked as employment rights minister, just a day after his boss Angela Rayner resigned over a tax scandal.

    As is being pointed out by our deputy political editor Sam Coates, Madders was the author of the government's flagship Employment Rights Bill, that he was shepherding through parliament with Rayner.

    He also notes that Sir Keir Starmer will not be attending the Trades Union Conference this week.

    Unions affiliated with the Labour Party have paid tribute to him for playing a "crucial role in bringing forward the ERB in 100 days, and will have a proud legacy in having strengthened the rights of millions of workers".

    He was not on No10's list of people who have left the government, so it could be that he has been re-deployed elsewhere. We await confirmation either way...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,893
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sean_F said:

    Perhaps the “mainstream” parties could do a better job. Govern honestly and competently, and Reform would not get a foot in the door.

    You sound like one of those sanctimonious Republicans in 2016.
    Completely true however. It’s the mainstream parties that have comprehensively misgoverned Britain for 20 years, that have led to Reform having a 10 point lead

    There is no one else to blame. It’s them
    And also not treat large parts of the electorate with such disdain.
    My favourite was @nico679 on here saying “poor old Angela Rayner, she’s a victim of snobbery and misogyny, they don’t like working class women” and then about an hour later saying “Ashton is a shithole full of thickos, I don’t blame her for moving to Hove”

    In the very same thread
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,190
    edited September 6
    nico67 said:

    BREAKING - Shocker of a first full day in office for new Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood after more than 1,000 small boat migrants crossed the Channel illegally on Saturday - a sobering insight into the scale of the challenge she faces. 30,000+ have now crossed so far this year.

    https://x.com/markwhiteTV/status/1964387739274457253

    Not a surprise given the windy weather had stopped boats for over a week and there was going to be a huge surge today .
    Really? It’s been blowing harder than a porn star Bill Clinton is paying by the orgasm here.

    I went out for a bike ride earlier - I hit 25mph uphill with the wind behind me, was struggling to get 7mph coming back.
  • Am I correct in remembering there is a poll out at 8pm?
  • Sky report on Mandelson's comments

    Britain's ambassador to the United States will use a keynote speech today to underline the UK-US special relationship - while also attempting to 'Reform-proof' his own struggling government.

    Lord Mandelson, the architect of New Labour, master of political spin and now Britain's man in Washington, will use the 2025 annual lecture at Ditchley Park to offer a positive spin on a presidency which has proudly upended norms and frayed alliances.

    In the speech, parts of which have been released in advance, Mandelson will describe President Trump as a "risk taker" with an "iron-clad stomach".

    Lord Mandelson was chosen as ambassador by Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer late last year. He is a political appointee rather than a career diplomat.

    And with intriguing language he will offer his take on the parallels between Trump and Starmer's challenges and mandates.

    He will say: "I credit President Trump's political instincts in identifying the anxieties gripping not only millions of Americans, but also far more pervasive Western trends: economic stagnation for many, a sense of irreversible decline, the lost promise of meaningful work…

    "These American concerns find their mirror image in British society, where Keir Starmer won an electoral mandate for national renewal which is similar to Donald Trump's."

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,946
    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    Another fawning Reform article on the BBC from Chris Mason .

    Not a word about Connolly or the anti-vaxxer . Does the fxckwit realize he’ll be out of a job if Reform win . Wtf is wrong with the BBC , they’re not even impartial anymore .

    That is just appalling.

    Not sure the word 'fawning' does justice on that piece.

    Pass the bloody sick bucket.

    Hes already written his pieces about the difficult Labour conference, the increasingly sidelined Tory conference and the sombre Lib Dem conference 'lacking in its usual stunts'
    The Lib Dem conference is going to be surprisingly argumentative. My prediction.
    Based on current polling and with a campaign boost and a fair wind, the Lib-Dems could conceivably become the official opposition to a Reform government.

    Surely they'll be buoyant?

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,848
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sean_F said:

    Perhaps the “mainstream” parties could do a better job. Govern honestly and competently, and Reform would not get a foot in the door.

    You sound like one of those sanctimonious Republicans in 2016.
    Completely true however. It’s the mainstream parties that have comprehensively misgoverned Britain for 20 years, that have led to Reform having a 10 point lead

    There is no one else to blame. It’s them
    And also not treat large parts of the electorate with such disdain.
    My favourite was @nico679 on here saying “poor old Angela Rayner, she’s a victim of snobbery and misogyny, they don’t like working class women” and then about an hour later saying “Ashton is a shithole full of thickos, I don’t blame her for moving to Hove”

    In the very same thread
    You, of course, being invariably complementary about the less prosperous areas of our nation.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,813

    Am I correct in remembering there is a poll out at 8pm?

    Yeah opinium
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,133
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sean_F said:

    Perhaps the “mainstream” parties could do a better job. Govern honestly and competently, and Reform would not get a foot in the door.

    You sound like one of those sanctimonious Republicans in 2016.
    Completely true however. It’s the mainstream parties that have comprehensively misgoverned Britain for 20 years, that have led to Reform having a 10 point lead

    There is no one else to blame. It’s them
    And also not treat large parts of the electorate with such disdain.
    My favourite was @nico679 on here saying “poor old Angela Rayner, she’s a victim of snobbery and misogyny, they don’t like working class women” and then about an hour later saying “Ashton is a shithole full of thickos, I don’t blame her for moving to Hove”

    In the very same thread
    Except I didn’t say that . I simply called Ashton a dump . I also never mentioned anything about misogyny or snobbery . So I’d appreciate it if in future you refrain from making up my posts .
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,018
    Are the Tories ahead on Opinium yet?
  • isamisam Posts: 42,482

    BREAKING - Shocker of a first full day in office for new Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood after more than 1,000 small boat migrants crossed the Channel illegally on Saturday - a sobering insight into the scale of the challenge she faces. 30,000+ have now crossed so far this year.

    https://x.com/markwhiteTV/status/1964387739274457253

    Maybe that’s why we hadn’t head much about Sir Keir stopping the boats
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,893
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sean_F said:

    Perhaps the “mainstream” parties could do a better job. Govern honestly and competently, and Reform would not get a foot in the door.

    You sound like one of those sanctimonious Republicans in 2016.
    Completely true however. It’s the mainstream parties that have comprehensively misgoverned Britain for 20 years, that have led to Reform having a 10 point lead

    There is no one else to blame. It’s them
    And also not treat large parts of the electorate with such disdain.
    My favourite was @nico679 on here saying “poor old Angela Rayner, she’s a victim of snobbery and misogyny, they don’t like working class women” and then about an hour later saying “Ashton is a shithole full of thickos, I don’t blame her for moving to Hove”

    In the very same thread
    You, of course, being invariably complementary about the less prosperous areas of our nation.
    I can report that Fife is oddly prosperous, yet eerily quiet - at least on this part of the coast (Elie)
  • isamisam Posts: 42,482
    Quality

    Boddingtons
    Cream of Manchester
    “By’eck, it’s gorgeous”!!!


    https://x.com/ambjapanuk/status/1964036493879460038?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,813
    Absolute turds
    7 point lead
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,946

    Are the Tories ahead on Opinium yet?

    The Tories are done. There doesn't seem to be any way back for them, certainly not until Reform screw up in government, anyway.

    How are Labour doing?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,355
    edited September 6

    Absolute turds
    7 point lead

    BORRRRRRRRINNNGGGGGG...like England vs Andorra.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,018

    Absolute turds
    7 point lead

    Tories ahead?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,813
    Ref 30
    Lab 23
    Con 18
    LD 12
    Grn 10
    SNP 2
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,734

    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    Another fawning Reform article on the BBC from Chris Mason .

    Not a word about Connolly or the anti-vaxxer . Does the fxckwit realize he’ll be out of a job if Reform win . Wtf is wrong with the BBC , they’re not even impartial anymore .

    That is just appalling.

    Not sure the word 'fawning' does justice on that piece.

    Pass the bloody sick bucket.

    Hes already written his pieces about the difficult Labour conference, the increasingly sidelined Tory conference and the sombre Lib Dem conference 'lacking in its usual stunts'
    The Lib Dem conference is going to be surprisingly argumentative. My prediction.
    No its not!
    No, hang on, im not going
    That’s not an argument - it’s just a contradiction!
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,581
    Nigelb said:

    nico67 said:

    Oh.

    It's Farage, Badenoch and Burnham for Laura K tomorrow.

    Farage was interviewed before today. It’s still questionable though whether LK would have asked him why they invited Connolly to the conference.
    Not mentioned either in this gushing piece, which is probably a better effort than Reform's PR dept could have managed themselves.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62zdpke8kko
    The BBC ARE Reform’s PR department. I hope the government are looking at their charter in regards to impartiality.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,893
    Telegraph

    “Immigration and asylum are the most important issues facing the country, according to a decisive majority (56 per cent) of respondents to YouGov’s latest poll.
    This share hasn’t been higher since 2015, at the height of the European migrant crisis.”
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,018
    edited September 6
    GIN1138 said:

    Are the Tories ahead on Opinium yet?

    The Tories are done. There doesn't seem to be any way back for them, certainly not until Reform screw up in government, anyway.

    How are Labour doing?
    You misunderstand. Opinium ramped up an earth shattering poll. I am asking if the Tories are ahead of Labour and Reform?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,813

    Absolute turds
    7 point lead

    BORRRRRRRRINNNGGGGGG...like England vs Andorra.
    Changes from 2 weeks ago, Ref and Con up 1 woooooooo
    LD down 2
    Grn up 1
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,813

    Absolute turds
    7 point lead

    Tories ahead?
    Of the LDs Greens and Nats yes
  • Rachel Reeves is considering proposals for a tax raid on GPs and other professionals that would raise almost £2bn a year.

    The Treasury has been presented with plans to levy National Insurance (NI) on partnerships as she scrambles for ways to fill a £50bn black hole in the public purse.

    Such a move would impact 190,000 workers, with family doctors, lawyers and solicitors, accountants and financial advisers hit the hardest.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/06/rachel-reeves-2-billion-national-insurance-gps-tax-budget/

    I feel like we are being "anchored" with these leaks.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 47,217
    edited September 6
    Sean_F said:

    Perhaps the “mainstream” parties could do a better job. Govern honestly and competently, and Reform would not get a foot in the door.

    A fairy story, I'm afraid. But believe that if you wish.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,482
    Leader ratings from Opinium

    Starmer 19/59
    Badenoch 19/38
    Farage 33/40
    Davey 21/23
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,018

    Rachel Reeves is considering proposals for a tax raid on GPs and other professionals that would raise almost £2bn a year.

    The Treasury has been presented with plans to levy National Insurance (NI) on partnerships as she scrambles for ways to fill a £50bn black hole in the public purse.

    Such a move would impact 190,000 workers, with family doctors, lawyers and solicitors, accountants and financial advisers hit the hardest.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/09/06/rachel-reeves-2-billion-national-insurance-gps-tax-budget/

    I feel like we are being "anchored" with these leaks.

    I was intrigued until I noticed the story was from the Telegraph.
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