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The pictures still remain a defining moment of his leadership: surrounded by a pack of huskies and against an Arctic backdrop, David Cameron pushing his vote-Blue-go-green message. It seems a long time ago and it is, almost nine years as the clock ticks and an era politically – before the Credit Crunch changed the entire political landscape.
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Amazing stuff. Perhaps we could give a name to do this kind of thing: 'Politics' is what I would suggest.
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/559688551236124672
LibDems v. Greens since early August:
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/559685444661960704
Going to be an expensive night for the Lib Dems as the national polling and local strength points towards perhaps the most unevenly distributed vote share ever. The flipside of that is that they simply must lose a tremendous amount of deposits, or the numbers won't add up.
The greengasm... strength in the 18-24 yr old range, all looks a bit 2010 Cleggasm to me. Will getting 4% be a "good night" for the Greens, I think they'll be squeezed personally - they don't have major party status (Is that AS important any more though, with the rise of social media ?!)
Meanwhile, UKIP is stable and still growing in strength, much the chagrin of many that post to PB.
Vote for clause 28 / gay marriage
Vote blue go green / green crap
In 2020 once we've left the Eu and he's the ex pm trying to sell a book no doubt he will be a Eurosceptic
Apart from the odd 23% in Daily Mirror polls Gravity is catching up..
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2015_United_Kingdom_general_election#/image/File:UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png
I believe he did this out of conviction, for a better world for his and our children.
25/1 Survation Daily Mirror
15/1 Opinium Observer
19/12 Survation Daily Mirror
15/12 TNS ????
7/12 Lord Ashcroft
27/11 TNS ???
20/11 Opinium Observer
Must be a major polling company and right wing media conspiracy to mark em down..
Are they trying to put the Greens off?
Or, is Labour as badly advised at the top as it has appeared this week?
Can't believe you bothered to find that as it proves or disproves nothing... What was the point? To make yourself look stupid? Or that there were lots of 18s?
Blair .. 10 yrs achieved nothing bar a lot of dead soldiers and civilians
Brown.. worst Prime Minister in living memory, probably ever.
and you want to take a pop at Dave? Look in your own back yard first.
Greece economy: Merkel rules out more debt relief
Merkel tells Greece and Syriza to get stuffed!
I don't have a childish dislike of cameron or any real dislike of him at all
My dads bigger than your dad x
Tories v. UKIP since August:
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/559692236469043200
Now how does the UKIP Leader compare? "UKIP leader Nigel Farage has disowned the party's entire general election manifesto - which he helped launch - branding it "drivel"."
So was Farage "a real chancer, liar, and dissembler" when he was one of just 3 signatures on the UKIP 2010 manifesto?
Do please be fair with the facts and not a "my party right or wrong" line of political tribal tripe.
One of tomorrow's threads is nearly done and it is a humdinger as it includes a subtle reference to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and looks at a Grexit from the Eurozone
Obviously these numbers are dwarfed in all cases by the number of 2010 Liberal Democrats who are sloshing around between the parties, but it's an interesting little detail, and particularly curious since Populus are one of the pollsters who tend to give lower headline scores for the Greens - the others being Survation and ComRes online if I remember correctly.
So although this slice of the electorate is a small one, there is some evidence for the existence of a group of voters who really did "Vote Blue, Go Green" at the 2010 general election.
He truly is the greatest.
The Conservatives' problem threatens to return. Few people think that the biggest problem facing Britain is the membership of one supranational organisation (there is a rather better case to be made that the future of the planet should be the number one priority). Yet it absorbs the energies of most of the right side of the political spectrum.
David Cameron should have been pitching himself as the sensible pragmatic leader, not the veto-wielding friend of swivel-eyed loons, who in any case distrust him. He resisted for a while, then gave in. It will be his ultimate undoing.
Frankly I am happy to be green in the sense of wasting as little of possible and conserving what we can. Trying to save energy and avoiding conspicuous consumption seems to make sense. However I think I'll give Green Politics a bit of a miss.
But when we leave, cameron will convert to euro scepticism...
Most estimates suggest that the kippers are 2:1 Tory/Labour, which means with the kippers at 15%, 10% of that is ex-Tory, I would be interested in any evidence you have to suggest that he had picked up enough votes in his drift into Guardian territory to offset that loss of votes.
For one thing it does make any sense in policy terms, the Guardianista metro-elite vote likes their social liberalism served with either no austerity (in which case they can get the same social liberal values and no austerity with the Greens), or with cuddly austerity, in which case they can get it with Labour, in both cases without the stigma of telling their friends at dinner parties that they voted Conservative.
This tired old saw about winning elections in the centre ground is only true if you manage to hang on to your core vote, something Dave has spectacularly failed to do. I would suggest there is another significant group of right wing Tories who might poll as Dave supporters, but are going to decide on the day they really cant be bothered.
Incidentally people think the top issue recently is immigration, which we cant do anything about in the EU, so that is a proxy for caring about the EU, several other similar items are near the top of the list, strangely the Environment is usually at the bottom.
We know that Farage and UKIP are lying now and preparing to try to persuade us to abolish the NHS in the future.
http://politicalscrapbook.net/2015/01/leaked-minutes-from-ukip-ruling-body-we-want-to-privatise-nhs-but-public-wont-let-us/
''In the longer term we want a radical approach but we cannot do that in this time frame.''
''When the sky does not fall in from the current changes, we will be able to come up with a radical policy.''
If UKIP had remained the same party as it was in 2010, I wouldn't be a member, and that goes for many thousands of us.
Lastly I'm never one to say my party right or wrong: I often send criticisms and suggestions to head office, and I have also criticised UKIP on PB, and will continue to do so , when appropriate. Can you say the same?
counting of the 4th rollcall has started...505 votes needed to be elected.
to follow the count
http://www.la7.it/dirette-tv
Did you ever apologise for repeatedly accusing me of deleting/editing a post that I hadnt btw? You said your phone was playing up and you'd do it later that day... I'm sure someone who thinks they are onto something like you would be sure to want to be seen admitting a mistake?
I agree
Just political tactical games born out of weakness.
Stewardship and Dominion demands equal emphasis on the duty as well as the privilege. It's a real failing of the current incarnation of capitalism that people forget their responsibilities
If Labour had a borderline electable leader the Tories would be toast, and not just because of Dave's lack of election winning talent, but because if Labour had an eloquent, plausible smile-on-a-stick, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between him and Dave, two authoritarian, socially liberal, pro-austerity, unprincipled vote grabbers.
2, as for following Dave, I'm happy to criticize him when appropriate as I did with the leader debates
3,as for apologies, yes I did, I lost track of who said what in the multiple referencing
If you want to be taken remotely seriously have at least an inkling of the argument you are making.
I won't ask you how uk will leave the EU again, because it's obvious you haven't got the vaguest idea.
Also how Cameron led the world over Libya maybe he could go back with sarkozy to remind the voters of our joint success.
There are several other things different in 2010 to the other years you mention that are more influential than tory "obsession" over the EU, and worst thing is, you know it but wanted to score a point
yesMinister!
That means examining each problem in turn and trying to optimise the outcome.
He doesn't believe it is right to impose his vision of what the country should be on other people. The downside is that it is very easy for those who do have an ideological objective to characterise him as being without principle.
Blair, Blair, Blair, Brown
that is driving this. That lack of growth is caused by the socialist welfare policies and suffocating bureacracy which is stifling capitalism. At the Centre are the federalists that seem to be incapable of reform which would save the EC. Break up looks inevitable, unless we get growth - maybe the oil price will save the EC?
One of those is Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and First Lord of the Treasury, and one isn't even an MP. I'm a Tory, I don't give a crap what Farage says or does, you would hope that our leader and PM could do a bit better though.
However, if there is a breakthough to the downside rather than a turnaround, then @TGOHF may have an argument.
I have more than an inkling I have several ways that we could leave the EU... I hope you don't think you have won the argument with your loud flourishes...to be honest I just don't like being told what to do and stubbornness is making me not answer because you keep asking!
But have no doubt I know what I'm talking about
Hmmm the apology was an "if I have made a mistake" one... Always feels a bit half hearted. Though I think I said ok anyway, as it was obvious to everyone youd dropped a bollock
There are several other things different in 2010 to the other years you mention that are more influential than tory "obsession" over the EU, and worst thing is, you know it but wanted to score a point
yesMinister!
Yes, in 2010 the Conservatives for a change had a personally popular leader who saw that the world had moved on. The same man remains more popular than any other leader. Yet the nut nuts think that he's the one that is getting things wrong.
You can get 7/1 on Tottenham finishing in the top 4 with Ladbrokes. I don't often bet on my own team. In fact, I'm struggling to think if I ever have but I think there's some value in this bet, especially if they land Kevin Mirallas or another striker before Monday's close. Bentaleb has returned from the African Nations Cup and he was in superb form, as are the other midfielders.
I'm mentioning this now ahead of today's WBA game because if they win at The Hawthorns that price is likely to tighten.
* Hunting: was pre-discussed with the Countryside Alliance senior leadership team and agreed. They didn't have the numbers to win the vote and felt that holding it and losing would be a serious setback to the cause. A change of plan, but not a lie.
* Emergency brake, points, etc, I believe have already been floated as ideas - potential ways to address the immigration issue - but have they ever actually been promises?
Mattarella is over 400 votes now....it looks he will be elected in a few minutes...
I can tell you why and how Farage is a chancer - he finds no interest in his anti EU stance so is happy to swing UKIP behind a blatantly scaremongering racist anti immigration policy and defend his blatantly racist ting tong rough diamond members. He is a desperate hypocritical lying chancer since when he is threatened with losing his nice gravy train he joins up with a Polish neo nazi holocaust denier.
We might just leave the EU if we elect a Tory govt which will give us a referendum. Under no other circumstances will we leave before 2020.
Childish is as childish does.
The Thatcher Govts promised capitalism, stuck to it and succeeded.
The Major 92 Govt promised capitalism and then abandoned their right wing and lost the GE.
The Hague team promised capitalism and then abandoned their right wing and lost the GE.
IDS - just had a very duff Leader to start with.
Cameron promised capitalism at his selection and then abandoned the right wing and failed to win the GE.
Cameron in Govt promised capitalism and then abandoned their right wing and has a 50/50 chances of losing this GE.
(ps replace capitalism with "classic liberalism")
I know it comes as a shock to centrists, but if all the electorate get is the same policies seen through a slightly different tinted glass, that isn't democracy. The public are entitled to different choices that they can chose between, I would argue they are even entitled to some nutty choices they can choose to reject.
To be honest it is hard to see a successful intervention in this decade.
Maybe this century.
You probably need to go back to the previous century.
But, roughly speaking, if they had lost 10% of the vote they should be on 27% in GB (vs 37% at the GE). The fact that they are on around 32% means they have picked up some votes from somewhere. Not enough - although I do believe that a decent chunk of UKIP poll support will vote Tory at the GE - but not negligible.
I think Afghanistan could've worked, but the pointless Iraq invasion led to resources being shifted, so we lost in two areas rather than succeeding, or having a chance to succeed, in one.
Even more libel costs and now back payment of avoided tax demanded by HMRC:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2933932/Gary-Lineker-s-goal-Match-Day-pundit-stung-1-3million-tax-bill.html
Wealthy investors, including David Beckham, Ant and Dec and MP Andrew Mitchell
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2933299/Plebgate-MP-Andrew-Mitchell-loses-legal-bid-cut-3million-bill-failed-libel-action-adding-extra-100-000-tab.html
Disgraced Tory MP Andrew Mitchell is facing financial ruin after losing a legal bid to cut his £3million bill for failed libel action - adding an extra £100,000 to his tab.
' A chancer'
FFS which politician isn't a 'chancer',if they are not they are clearly in the wrong career.
Seriously we just need to show a bit of principle, if you cant deliver it, don't promise it. And for crying out loud don't try an weasel out of it with all this transparent "it was just a comment" crap when it was splashed all over the pre-election newsletter under the headline "If we don’t deliver, kick us out"