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  • TresTres Posts: 3,030
    boulay said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Decanting my older child back to uni today. As she’s at St Andrew’s, and has a ton of stuff for the new year in a new house-share, it’s a long tough job. We are overnighting in Lancaster

    What an attractive town! I’m v pleasantly surprised. Normally and sadly British towns surprise on the downside these days. But stone-built Lancaster is ruggedly handsome, with a bracing location, and feels actively prosperous (in the centre, at least)

    Flag report from 6 hours of driving

    A few around London. Basically none from Luton up to Brum. Then a couple. Then a LOT in the north - at one stage almost every bridge had one. More 🇬🇧 than 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

    I'd have just popped my kid in an Uber. No way am I paying the price for her decision to go to University in the middle of nowhere.
    Quite right too. Apart from my start of boarding school every time I went for a beginning of a school year or university my trunks and boxes were sent by DHL or similar and then I flew over with my bags. My parents instilled in me a sense of self reliance which I later realised was a sense of they had more fun things to do than deliver their child to educational establishments!
    ah this explains the constant simping of millionaires
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,780
    Can Steve Reed build more houses than Angie?

    Other than small boats this government will rise or fall on this surely.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,133

    The real person who looks a prize pillock today is Ed Davey.

    Why . He said wait for the ethics investigation to conclude and has sympathy for Rayner because of the situation with her son . Davey should not be criticised for showing some empathy which is totally lacking in Badenoch who would be buffing her nails as a school bus careered into a ravine !
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,355
    edited September 5
    Remainer Lord Mandelson credits Brexit for close ties with US

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/09/05/peter-mandelson-credits-brexit-for-close-ties-with-us/

    A man with no scrupples.
  • Can Steve Reed build more houses than Angie?

    Other than small boats this government will rise or fall on this surely.

    He can't do any worse.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,133

    Remainer Lord Mandelson credits Brexit for close ties with US

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/09/05/peter-mandelson-credits-brexit-for-close-ties-with-us/

    A man with no scrupples.

    He really has become a nauseating Trump sycophant.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,780
    One of Trump's three or four main policy platform ideas, repeated ad nauseam, was no more neo-con wars...


    Acyn
    @Acyn

    Secretary of Defense letters coming down at the Pentagon.

    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1964083363670798802
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,065
    edited September 5
    Very good film on BBC2 now, Dark Waters, with Mark Ruffalo as a lawyer who sues DuPont after a chemical leak on a West Virginia farm
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,355
    edited September 5
    Jack Polanski calls on Nigel Farage to resign as Reform leader

    He is reportedly paid for media appearances through a private company, meaning he pays corporation tax on this income, not income tax

    https://x.com/theipaper/status/1964031746669772871

    What a pillock. Its not only perfectly legal, it is literally what every single person who makes money from media appearance do for a whole lot of valid reasons. He clearly doesn't understand personal service companies work. Its like saying to a plumber, why the bloody hell do you put your money through a company, its just you and your wrench.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,780

    Helen Whately MP
    @Helen_Whately

    Good Luck to
    @patmcfaddenmp as new DWP Secretary of State. The country needs you to succeed - get the benefits bill under control and get Britain working…(2/3)


    Helen Whately MP
    @Helen_Whately

    Three things for your to-do list on Monday:

    1️⃣ Bring back face to face benefits assessments
    2️⃣ Stop abuse of Motability…no more free cars for ADHD and tennis elbow
    3️⃣ Get your Chancellor and Biz Secretary to stop killing jobs, and back businesses to create them instead (3/3)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,780
    Sunak's government scrapped face to face benefits assessments

  • Helen Whately MP
    @Helen_Whately

    Good Luck to
    @patmcfaddenmp as new DWP Secretary of State. The country needs you to succeed - get the benefits bill under control and get Britain working…(2/3)


    Helen Whately MP
    @Helen_Whately

    Three things for your to-do list on Monday:

    1️⃣ Bring back face to face benefits assessments
    2️⃣ Stop abuse of Motability…no more free cars for ADHD and tennis elbow
    3️⃣ Get your Chancellor and Biz Secretary to stop killing jobs, and back businesses to create them instead (3/3)

    I am going to be interested how long this crack down on welfare and immigration is going to last when its hits the reality that the backbenchers won't accept it. And now they have Big Ange sitting with them, who was the mediator previously between them and tin eared Starmer.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,133
    edited September 5

    Jack Polanski calls on Nigel Farage to resign as Reform leader

    He is reportedly paid for media appearances through a private company, meaning he pays corporation tax on this income, not income tax

    https://x.com/theipaper/status/1964031746669772871

    What a pillock. Its not only perfectly legal, it is literally what every single person who makes money from media appearance do for a whole lot of valid reasons. He clearly doesn't understand personal service companies work.

    Yes it’s perfectly legal but it’s open season after Rayner . Similarly with the Daily Mirror front page which is a bit of a non-story but some won’t read what really happened and just see 44,000 pounds and Farage . The media have lots to attack Farage on that could have more impact if they could be bothered .
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,355
    edited September 5
    nico67 said:

    Jack Polanski calls on Nigel Farage to resign as Reform leader

    He is reportedly paid for media appearances through a private company, meaning he pays corporation tax on this income, not income tax

    https://x.com/theipaper/status/1964031746669772871

    What a pillock. Its not only perfectly legal, it is literally what every single person who makes money from media appearance do for a whole lot of valid reasons. He clearly doesn't understand personal service companies work.

    Yes it’s perfectly legal but it’s open season after Rayner . Similarly with the Daily Mirror front page which is a bit of a non-story but some won’t read what really happened and just see 44,000 pounds and Farage . The media have lots to attack Farage on if they could be bothered .
    The media aren't going anywhere near personal service companies stories. Not only is it completely legal, it is what any good accountant will tell you to do and crucially all the media do it.

    There is plenty of stuff to at Farage with, but if you keep calling for him to resign over nonsense claims it loses its edge and nobody takes you seriously.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,337
    Polling firms giving Ref a double digit lead.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2025
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,983

    nico67 said:

    Jack Polanski calls on Nigel Farage to resign as Reform leader

    He is reportedly paid for media appearances through a private company, meaning he pays corporation tax on this income, not income tax

    https://x.com/theipaper/status/1964031746669772871

    What a pillock. Its not only perfectly legal, it is literally what every single person who makes money from media appearance do for a whole lot of valid reasons. He clearly doesn't understand personal service companies work.

    Yes it’s perfectly legal but it’s open season after Rayner . Similarly with the Daily Mirror front page which is a bit of a non-story but some won’t read what really happened and just see 44,000 pounds and Farage . The media have lots to attack Farage on if they could be bothered .
    The media aren't going anywhere near personal service companies stories. Not only is it completely legal, it is what any good accountant will tell you to do and crucially all the media do it.

    There is plenty of stuff to at Farage with, but if you keep calling for him to resign over nonsense claims it loses its edge and nobody takes you seriously.
    Plus, lots of journalists do it.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,763

    Can Steve Reed build more houses than Angie?

    Other than small boats this government will rise or fall on this surely.

    It's only a small proportion of the country that worries about housing costs. On average they are the lowest they have been since the '80s. I think a crash in prices is actually more of a risk to them than the opposite, particularly in London/SE if they introduce a property value tax and people start worrying about negative equity.

    I think the NHS is a much bigger risk. But all of this is trumped by a general sense of inertia.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,983
    Eabhal said:

    Can Steve Reed build more houses than Angie?

    Other than small boats this government will rise or fall on this surely.

    It's only a small proportion of the country that worries about housing costs. On average they are the lowest they have been since the '80s. I think a crash in prices is actually more of a risk to them than the opposite, particularly in London/SE if they introduce a property value tax and people start worrying about negative equity.

    I think the NHS is a much bigger risk. But all of this is trumped by a general sense of inertia.


    Are they?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,337
    Cheery news.

    "Computer scientist Geoffrey Hinton: ‘AI will make a few people much richer and most people poorer’" (£)

    https://www.ft.com/content/31feb335-4945-475e-baaa-3b880d9cf8ce
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,546
    Who thought that using stage pyrotechnics when Farage arrive on stage at the Reform conference would be a good idea, is this an American import?! While it might have gone down well with his membership fan base in the conference hall, it was distracting and looked utterly bizarre on the news and certainly didn't convey the statesman like gravitas you would have expected for the leader of the party currently leading in the polls.

    As for Andrea Jenkins cringeworthy entrance on stage, I thought I had been transported back to Eurovision about forty years ago, again hardly conveying the gravitas of a party that is supposedly seriously waiting to form the next government. And thanks to the Angela Raynor resignation from all her front bench roles in the Government and the Labour party, Keir Starmer then took the opportunity to hold a reshuffle to shore up his own position which resulted in the Labour party leaving Farage and the Reform party conference as a footnote in the televised news cycle and knocked them completely off all the front pages.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,355
    edited September 6
    Andy_JS said:

    Cheery news.

    "Computer scientist Geoffrey Hinton: ‘AI will make a few people much richer and most people poorer’" (£)

    https://www.ft.com/content/31feb335-4945-475e-baaa-3b880d9cf8ce

    I don't want to be rude to one of the god fathers of AI, but he is now consistently wrong about everything AI. He is like the Roger of AI predictions.
  • fitalass said:

    Who thought that using stage pyrotechnics when Farage arrive on stage at the Reform conference would be a good idea, is this an American import?! While it might have gone down well with his membership fan base in the conference hall, it was distracting and looked utterly bizarre on the news and certainly didn't convey the statesman like gravitas you would have expected for the leader of the party currently leading in the polls.

    As for Andrea Jenkins cringeworthy entrance on stage, I thought I had been transported back to Eurovision about forty years ago, again hardly conveying the gravitas of a party that is supposedly seriously waiting to form the next government. And thanks to the Angela Raynor resignation from all her front bench roles in the Government and the Labour party, Keir Starmer then took the opportunity to hold a reshuffle to shore up his own position which resulted in the Labour party leaving Farage and the Reform party conference as a footnote in the televised news cycle and knocked them completely off all the front pages.

    It was straight out of the dart players walk on.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,763
    edited September 6
    carnforth said:

    Eabhal said:

    Can Steve Reed build more houses than Angie?

    Other than small boats this government will rise or fall on this surely.

    It's only a small proportion of the country that worries about housing costs. On average they are the lowest they have been since the '80s. I think a crash in prices is actually more of a risk to them than the opposite, particularly in London/SE if they introduce a property value tax and people start worrying about negative equity.

    I think the NHS is a much bigger risk. But all of this is trumped by a general sense of inertia.


    Are they?
    There is a crucial distinction between house prices and housing costs.

    For a start, you have 35%ish of the country that own their property outright. Then you have another 30% who own with a mortgage - they got hammered a bit during the period with high interest rates, but most people with a mortgage do not spend a particularly high proportion of their income on housing. For both these groups, high house prices are a good thing - they are an asset, not a liability or a cost.

    Then you have social renters - 15%. A mixed picture, sometimes good, might not want to buy. And then private renters - another 15%. Not all private rents are insanely high - that tends to be an issue in the big cities, not our towns, and not all private renters want to buy anyway (e.g. students).

    So you're not left with many people for whom lower house prices is a good thing (and particularly not in the main voting cohorts), nor many people with particularly high housing costs. There are broader societal/economic reasons why you might want to change this, but ultimately this is why housing is not a major issue in the polling.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,337
    fitalass said:

    Who thought that using stage pyrotechnics when Farage arrive on stage at the Reform conference would be a good idea, is this an American import?! While it might have gone down well with his membership fan base in the conference hall, it was distracting and looked utterly bizarre on the news and certainly didn't convey the statesman like gravitas you would have expected for the leader of the party currently leading in the polls.

    As for Andrea Jenkins cringeworthy entrance on stage, I thought I had been transported back to Eurovision about forty years ago, again hardly conveying the gravitas of a party that is supposedly seriously waiting to form the next government. And thanks to the Angela Raynor resignation from all her front bench roles in the Government and the Labour party, Keir Starmer then took the opportunity to hold a reshuffle to shore up his own position which resulted in the Labour party leaving Farage and the Reform party conference as a footnote in the televised news cycle and knocked them completely off all the front pages.

    I understand what you're saying, but maybe people are fed up with serious politics and are in the mood for this type of cheesy, naff stuff from the likes of Andrea Jenkyns and Dr David Bull.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,546
    Andy_JS said:

    fitalass said:

    Who thought that using stage pyrotechnics when Farage arrive on stage at the Reform conference would be a good idea, is this an American import?! While it might have gone down well with his membership fan base in the conference hall, it was distracting and looked utterly bizarre on the news and certainly didn't convey the statesman like gravitas you would have expected for the leader of the party currently leading in the polls.

    As for Andrea Jenkins cringeworthy entrance on stage, I thought I had been transported back to Eurovision about forty years ago, again hardly conveying the gravitas of a party that is supposedly seriously waiting to form the next government. And thanks to the Angela Raynor resignation from all her front bench roles in the Government and the Labour party, Keir Starmer then took the opportunity to hold a reshuffle to shore up his own position which resulted in the Labour party leaving Farage and the Reform party conference as a footnote in the televised news cycle and knocked them completely off all the front pages.

    I understand what you're saying, but maybe people are fed up with serious politics and are in the mood for this type of cheesy, naff stuff from the likes of Andrea Jenkyns and Dr David Bull.
    Maybe they are, but I just felt it came across as cringeworthy and over confident and it reminded me of the Labour party Sheffield rally a week before the 1992 GE.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,407
    edited September 6
    nico67 said:

    The real person who looks a prize pillock today is Ed Davey.

    Why . He said wait for the ethics investigation to conclude and has sympathy for Rayner because of the situation with her son . Davey should not be criticised for showing some empathy which is totally lacking in Badenoch who would be buffing her nails as a school bus careered into a ravine !
    Are you calling her a bus driver? That’s your way of taking the moral high ground?

    You need to be careful with your language and your metaphors 😠
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 790
    fitalass said:

    Andy_JS said:

    fitalass said:

    Who thought that using stage pyrotechnics when Farage arrive on stage at the Reform conference would be a good idea, is this an American import?! While it might have gone down well with his membership fan base in the conference hall, it was distracting and looked utterly bizarre on the news and certainly didn't convey the statesman like gravitas you would have expected for the leader of the party currently leading in the polls.

    As for Andrea Jenkins cringeworthy entrance on stage, I thought I had been transported back to Eurovision about forty years ago, again hardly conveying the gravitas of a party that is supposedly seriously waiting to form the next government. And thanks to the Angela Raynor resignation from all her front bench roles in the Government and the Labour party, Keir Starmer then took the opportunity to hold a reshuffle to shore up his own position which resulted in the Labour party leaving Farage and the Reform party conference as a footnote in the televised news cycle and knocked them completely off all the front pages.

    I understand what you're saying, but maybe people are fed up with serious politics and are in the mood for this type of cheesy, naff stuff from the likes of Andrea Jenkyns and Dr David Bull.
    Maybe they are, but I just felt it came across as cringeworthy and over confident and it reminded me of the Labour party Sheffield rally a week before the 1992 GE.
    Alright.....alright...
  • carnforth said:

    ohnotnow said:

    carnforth said:

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Michael Palin's Iraq is currently on Channel 5, which, not that widely known, is some of his best ever work.

    I enjoyed his recent-ish series travelling North Korea too. Quite sensitively done.
    Yes. He's getting better and more mature, but ironically not signed up by the BBC any more as a standard-bearer, which sums up the current fear of subtlety and complexity.
    Candidate for greatest living Englishman, top ten for definite.
    There's a very slow and genteel cage-fight between him, Melvyn Bragg and Ian McKellen. Throw Brian Blessed and Tom Baker in there and it'd be a wild, if rather charming, evening.

    Also occurs to me, now that I write them out - the North is very well represented in the national treasure list.
    I appreciate Bragg's talent, but he's greasy.
    I don't think the UK could embrace a national treasure which didn't have a flaw. The delight in playing old vinyl is the crackle.
    The last national treasure was the late Queen and everything seems to have gone pear shaped since her demise under Liz Truss !!!
    Kenneth Williams died well before Liz Truss.
    Kenneth Williams died when Larry Grayson nicked his act.
  • It's war!!

    Sam Stein
    @samstein
    ·
    29m
    It's really official if he changes his Signal handle

    https://x.com/samstein/status/1964080673808932931

    Like the President, Hegseth prefers British stripes on his tie (although mainly Trump has plain red or blue).
  • nico67 said:

    Remainer Lord Mandelson credits Brexit for close ties with US

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/09/05/peter-mandelson-credits-brexit-for-close-ties-with-us/

    A man with no scrupples.

    He really has become a nauseating Trump sycophant.
    Read between the lines. It is not about Trump. Mandelson, in crediting Brexit for improved US relations, implicitly denies David Lammy's role. Our ambassador in Washington has removed the Foreign Secretary.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,602
    edited September 6
    Police arrest two in housing fraud investigation
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjr5dx3z272o

    Barking & Dagenham council and the City of London Police (which is responsible for fraud investigations, not the Met).
  • Tesla offers Elon Musk a $1 trillion pay package
    https://www.thetimes.com/business-money/technology/article/tesla-offers-elon-musk-a-1-trillion-pay-package-dvqbdn3nm (£££)

    Funny how tech bro squillionaires build their wealth in California before moving to Texas to avoid tax.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,880
    Good morning, everyone.

    Mildly surprised Rayner's gone so quickly, but that may mitigate the damage a little.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,940

    HYUFD said:

    Streeting now overtaken Rayner as Starmer's heir apparent unless Burnham returns to Parliament

    On a point of pedantry, you mean heir presumptive, not heir apparent.
    Cooper is now heir presumptive.

    She has done two of the major offices of state and been around since 1997.


    That personifies how low the UK has fallen and why, donkeys as leaders
  • dunhamdunham Posts: 23
    Since his election as Labour leader in 2020, Starmer has reduced the representation of female MPs from Greater Manchester at cabinet/shadow cabinet level. Long-Bailey went several years ago; Rayner and Powell were removed yesterday. This leaves only Nandy, whom Starmer is strongly suspected as wishing to demote. Presumably, she only survived yesterday's reshuffle because 2 others left.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,350
    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    Streeting now overtaken Rayner as Starmer's heir apparent unless Burnham returns to Parliament

    On a point of pedantry, you mean heir presumptive, not heir apparent.
    Cooper is now heir presumptive.

    She has done two of the major offices of state and been around since 1997.


    That personifies how low the UK has fallen and why, donkeys as leaders
    Candidly, I think it started to go wrong with the Act of Union.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,940
    nico67 said:

    The real person who looks a prize pillock today is Ed Davey.

    Why . He said wait for the ethics investigation to conclude and has sympathy for Rayner because of the situation with her son . Davey should not be criticised for showing some empathy which is totally lacking in Badenoch who would be buffing her nails as a school bus careered into a ravine !
    he is another tin eared duffer, no idea of reality and the obvious fact she was toast , Lucky got it right.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,940
    rcs1000 said:

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    Streeting now overtaken Rayner as Starmer's heir apparent unless Burnham returns to Parliament

    On a point of pedantry, you mean heir presumptive, not heir apparent.
    Cooper is now heir presumptive.

    She has done two of the major offices of state and been around since 1997.


    That personifies how low the UK has fallen and why, donkeys as leaders
    Candidly, I think it started to go wrong with the Act of Union.
    Certainly did for us
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,825
    edited September 6
    Eabhal said:

    carnforth said:

    Eabhal said:

    Can Steve Reed build more houses than Angie?

    Other than small boats this government will rise or fall on this surely.

    It's only a small proportion of the country that worries about housing costs. On average they are the lowest they have been since the '80s. I think a crash in prices is actually more of a risk to them than the opposite, particularly in London/SE if they introduce a property value tax and people start worrying about negative equity.

    I think the NHS is a much bigger risk. But all of this is trumped by a general sense of inertia.


    Are they?
    There is a crucial distinction between house prices and housing costs.

    For a start, you have 35%ish of the country that own their property outright. Then you have another 30% who own with a mortgage - they got hammered a bit during the period with high interest rates, but most people with a mortgage do not spend a particularly high proportion of their income on housing. For both these groups, high house prices are a good thing - they are an asset, not a liability or a cost.

    Then you have social renters - 15%. A mixed picture, sometimes good, might not want to buy. And then private renters - another 15%. Not all private rents are insanely high - that tends to be an issue in the big cities, not our towns, and not all private renters want to buy anyway (e.g. students).

    So you're not left with many people for whom lower house prices is a good thing (and particularly not in the main voting cohorts), nor many people with particularly high housing costs. There are broader societal/economic reasons why you might want to change this, but ultimately this is why housing is not a major issue in the polling.
    That's largely wrong.

    For many of those who own their own place, even outright, high house prices are a bad thing, as they want to upgrade in the future. And even if they don't, again for many, high house prices are neutral, as those gains will be on paper forever. And even if house prices are neutral for older homeowners, many will have to fork over fortunes if they want to help their children get on the housing ladder.

    Private rent is determined in large part by the cost of housing, (though other factors such as government regulations also play a part), so reducing property prices would reduce the cost of rent. Students may not want to buy now (though I'm not sure about that - I once visited a friend at business school where housing was very cheap and finance readily available and he said that many of his classmates had bought a place for the two years and would then sell it or rent it out when they moved on) but they are likely to in a few years.

    And of course there are costs throughout the economy because of high property prices generally, of which high house prices are an important component, though most people won't recognise those.

    I think the reason housing doesn't feature is not that more people wouldn't benefit from lower house prices, just as they would benefit from lower food or energy prices, it's that both governing parties have been equally crap about this for a generation and nobody seriously expects either of them to sort it out.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,624
    edited September 6
    fitalass said:

    Who thought that using stage pyrotechnics when Farage arrive on stage at the Reform conference would be a good idea, is this an American import?! While it might have gone down well with his membership fan base in the conference hall, it was distracting and looked utterly bizarre on the news and certainly didn't convey the statesman like gravitas you would have expected for the leader of the party currently leading in the polls.

    As for Andrea Jenkins cringeworthy entrance on stage, I thought I had been transported back to Eurovision about forty years ago, again hardly conveying the gravitas of a party that is supposedly seriously waiting to form the next government. And thanks to the Angela Raynor resignation from all her front bench roles in the Government and the Labour party, Keir Starmer then took the opportunity to hold a reshuffle to shore up his own position which resulted in the Labour party leaving Farage and the Reform party conference as a footnote in the televised news cycle and knocked them completely off all the front pages.

    It's the same set as they used last year :smile: .

    Yes, Farage is trying to import all he can from the USA. His level of support for Free Speech in the USA in the fast day or two has been impressive :wink: .
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,624
    Good morning everyone.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,190
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Decanting my older child back to uni today. As she’s at St Andrew’s, and has a ton of stuff for the new year in a new house-share, it’s a long tough job. We are overnighting in Lancaster

    What an attractive town! I’m v pleasantly surprised. Normally and sadly British towns surprise on the downside these days. But stone-built Lancaster is ruggedly handsome, with a bracing location, and feels actively prosperous (in the centre, at least)

    Flag report from 6 hours of driving

    A few around London. Basically none from Luton up to Brum. Then a couple. Then a LOT in the north - at one stage almost every bridge had one. More 🇬🇧 than 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

    A historic town too with a castle and university and a centre in the War of the Roses
    Not the last. The House of Lancaster had very little to do with Lancaster, while the Stanley levies were from further south around what is now Liverpool.

    It also has a large parish church and a Catholic cathedral though.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,586
    edited September 6
    MattW said:

    fitalass said:

    Who thought that using stage pyrotechnics when Farage arrive on stage at the Reform conference would be a good idea, is this an American import?! While it might have gone down well with his membership fan base in the conference hall, it was distracting and looked utterly bizarre on the news and certainly didn't convey the statesman like gravitas you would have expected for the leader of the party currently leading in the polls.

    As for Andrea Jenkins cringeworthy entrance on stage, I thought I had been transported back to Eurovision about forty years ago, again hardly conveying the gravitas of a party that is supposedly seriously waiting to form the next government. And thanks to the Angela Raynor resignation from all her front bench roles in the Government and the Labour party, Keir Starmer then took the opportunity to hold a reshuffle to shore up his own position which resulted in the Labour party leaving Farage and the Reform party conference as a footnote in the televised news cycle and knocked them completely off all the front pages.

    It's the same set as they used last year :smile: .

    Yes, Farage is trying to import all he can from the USA. His level of support for Free Speech in the USA in the fast day or two has been impressive :wink: .
    Mornimg PB.

    It's the great irony about Farage. He dances around the flag day and night, but wants to be submerged in gaudy Trumpism politically and culturally, and knows very little about what makes the UK distinctive.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,940
    Interesting follow on from Leon story of last week, more speculation after all @Leon
    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/man-woman-charged-after-dundee-35850128
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,190
    What the Rayner saga shows above all else is that our system of property sale, conveyancing and taxation is an outdated shambles that needs wholesale reform, as I am sure every single person who has tried to buy or sell a house in the last 20 years will attest.

    If Starmer were to grasp the nettle of fundamental reform there it would make dramatic changes to the lives of millions of people. Far more useful than pandering to the weird obsessions of drunken lunatics about small boats that seems to stem from muddled memories of Dunkirk.

    But he won’t, because he’s actually rather too like the Tories in not trying to sort out the boring stuff that makes a difference to people’s lives* rather than hollow rhetoric about grand visions that will never happen.

    *An interesting example of this from Johnson was the capped bus fares.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,985
    edited September 6
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,701
    ydoethur said:

    What the Rayner saga shows above all else is that our system of property sale, conveyancing and taxation is an outdated shambles that needs wholesale reform, as I am sure every single person who has tried to buy or sell a house in the last 20 years will attest.

    If Starmer were to grasp the nettle of fundamental reform there it would make dramatic changes to the lives of millions of people. Far more useful than pandering to the weird obsessions of drunken lunatics about small boats that seems to stem from muddled memories of Dunkirk.

    But he won’t, because he’s actually rather too like the Tories in not trying to sort out the boring stuff that makes a difference to people’s lives* rather than hollow rhetoric about grand visions that will never happen.

    *An interesting example of this from Johnson was the capped bus fares.

    Perhaps every intending seller could be obliged to assemble a Home Information Pack bulging with professionally attested, relevant information about the property...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,190

    ydoethur said:

    What the Rayner saga shows above all else is that our system of property sale, conveyancing and taxation is an outdated shambles that needs wholesale reform, as I am sure every single person who has tried to buy or sell a house in the last 20 years will attest.

    If Starmer were to grasp the nettle of fundamental reform there it would make dramatic changes to the lives of millions of people. Far more useful than pandering to the weird obsessions of drunken lunatics about small boats that seems to stem from muddled memories of Dunkirk.

    But he won’t, because he’s actually rather too like the Tories in not trying to sort out the boring stuff that makes a difference to people’s lives* rather than hollow rhetoric about grand visions that will never happen.

    *An interesting example of this from Johnson was the capped bus fares.

    Perhaps every intending seller could be obliged to assemble a Home Information Pack bulging with professionally attested, relevant information about the property...
    That wasn’t a bad idea, in itself. The stupid part was saying that it couldn’t replace post-offer surveys.

    If HIPS had been there to inform offers, that are then binding, it would actually have speeded up and much simplified the process.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,217
    Hegseth's new title role is Secretary of War, shouldn't it be Secretary for War?
  • Roger said:
    Good morning

    Rayner lost her job because she was naive, tried to blame her lawyers, and had a track record of attacking from opposition conservatives in similar circumstances

    It is nothing to do with her background, as much as some would want to portray but simply she was in a position as DPM and housing minister that demands the highest standards

    Maybe you should ask who feed the information to the Telegraph and what motive did they have


  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,018
    HYUFD said:

    boulay said:

    TimS said:

    Pleasingly from a next election watching point of view im likely to be moving soon away from boring old Clive Lewis' Norwich South to North Norfolk where a delicious Lib Con rematch is on the cards

    Lib v Reform you mean
    No, i don't.
    I note the Daily Mail is seeking a coming together of Reform and the Conservatives

    I don’t see it but I didn't see Rayner resigning this time last week
    Nah.
    If the polls tighten and Reform drop into the mid 20s then an electoral pact is fairly likely even if informally but theres way too much bad blood at the moment
    The Tory defectors to Reform are pretty much despised by those remaining. With some reason, I might add. Nadine Dorries just about sums it up.
    The remainder of the Tory party is probably unelectable but, with the exception of Jenrick, moderately human.

    I was in a meeting with the much maligned Mel Stride this week. He was thoughtful, circumspect, and on top of his brief. They will be, if not sorely, then at least wistfully missed.
    Stride was very good as Minister for the Today programme in the lead up to the GE. Answered questions, knew the brief, polite and considered. Same with Alex Chalk.
    I think he's a useless fart. Anyone who can face Rachel Reeves and fail to land a single blow should make their excuses and let someone else have a go.

    He thinks he's in his position to defend the last Government not attack this one.

    He failed to call for Reeves' resignation when challenged repeatedly to do so, but worse, couldn't come up with any other form of words that didn't make him sound like a struggling Government spokesperson sent out to defend her.

    He has instead made headlines for attacking Truss, and more recently Badenoch.

    As they say, with friends like that, who needs enemas.
    Stride is a heavyweight and since when did he attack Badenoch?
    Indeed he is a big lad who looks like he ate all the pies.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,810

    ydoethur said:

    What the Rayner saga shows above all else is that our system of property sale, conveyancing and taxation is an outdated shambles that needs wholesale reform, as I am sure every single person who has tried to buy or sell a house in the last 20 years will attest.

    If Starmer were to grasp the nettle of fundamental reform there it would make dramatic changes to the lives of millions of people. Far more useful than pandering to the weird obsessions of drunken lunatics about small boats that seems to stem from muddled memories of Dunkirk.

    But he won’t, because he’s actually rather too like the Tories in not trying to sort out the boring stuff that makes a difference to people’s lives* rather than hollow rhetoric about grand visions that will never happen.

    *An interesting example of this from Johnson was the capped bus fares.

    Perhaps every intending seller could be obliged to assemble a Home Information Pack bulging with professionally attested, relevant information about the property...
    Like so many things government tries to do, a half-hearted effort to do “something”, but without sufficient consultation and planning, that ended up making the whole process of house buying more expensive and less informative.

    Hint: if your “HIP” isn’t acceptable to the bank advancing a mortgage on the property, then it’s as much use as a chocolate teapot.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,018


    HYUFD said:

    Streeting now overtaken Rayner as Starmer's heir apparent unless Burnham returns to Parliament

    Lord Falconer is waiting in the wings.
    You are back! About time too!
  • ydoethur said:

    What the Rayner saga shows above all else is that our system of property sale, conveyancing and taxation is an outdated shambles that needs wholesale reform, as I am sure every single person who has tried to buy or sell a house in the last 20 years will attest.

    If Starmer were to grasp the nettle of fundamental reform there it would make dramatic changes to the lives of millions of people. Far more useful than pandering to the weird obsessions of drunken lunatics about small boats that seems to stem from muddled memories of Dunkirk.

    But he won’t, because he’s actually rather too like the Tories in not trying to sort out the boring stuff that makes a difference to people’s lives* rather than hollow rhetoric about grand visions that will never happen.

    *An interesting example of this from Johnson was the capped bus fares.

    Perhaps every intending seller could be obliged to assemble a Home Information Pack bulging with professionally attested, relevant information about the property...
    That should happen but even if it did it would not necessarily resolve Rayner's problem as it was complicated by a trust on another property
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,042
    geoffw said:

    Hegseth's new title role is Secretary of War, shouldn't it be Secretary for War?

    SoW he is and SoW he shall remain.
    Hegseth was a grunt after all.

  • HYUFD said:

    Streeting now overtaken Rayner as Starmer's heir apparent unless Burnham returns to Parliament

    Lord Falconer is waiting in the wings.
    You are back! About time too!
    Time to cash in !!!!!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,018
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Decanting my older child back to uni today. As she’s at St Andrew’s, and has a ton of stuff for the new year in a new house-share, it’s a long tough job. We are overnighting in Lancaster

    What an attractive town! I’m v pleasantly surprised. Normally and sadly British towns surprise on the downside these days. But stone-built Lancaster is ruggedly handsome, with a bracing location, and feels actively prosperous (in the centre, at least)

    Flag report from 6 hours of driving

    A few around London. Basically none from Luton up to Brum. Then a couple. Then a LOT in the north - at one stage almost every bridge had one. More 🇬🇧 than 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

    Do you go the M6 route to Scotland because there is no A1(m) past Newcastle?
    I go up one way and come back the other to vary the tedious journeys
    Anyone who chooses to use the M6 from Wednesbury to the other side of the Orrell Interchange when they don't have to is clinically insane.

    There! You have now proved what we all suspected.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,624
    malcolmg said:

    Interesting follow on from Leon story of last week, more speculation after all @Leon
    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/man-woman-charged-after-dundee-35850128

    Is that not the same one?

    We still don't know which man and woman were arrested.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,953
    Eabhal said:

    carnforth said:

    Eabhal said:

    Can Steve Reed build more houses than Angie?

    Other than small boats this government will rise or fall on this surely.

    It's only a small proportion of the country that worries about housing costs. On average they are the lowest they have been since the '80s. I think a crash in prices is actually more of a risk to them than the opposite, particularly in London/SE if they introduce a property value tax and people start worrying about negative equity.

    I think the NHS is a much bigger risk. But all of this is trumped by a general sense of inertia.


    Are they?
    There is a crucial distinction between house prices and housing costs.

    For a start, you have 35%ish of the country that own their property outright. Then you have another 30% who own with a mortgage - they got hammered a bit during the period with high interest rates, but most people with a mortgage do not spend a particularly high proportion of their income on housing. For both these groups, high house prices are a good thing - they are an asset, not a liability or a cost.

    Then you have social renters - 15%. A mixed picture, sometimes good, might not want to buy. And then private renters - another 15%. Not all private rents are insanely high - that tends to be an issue in the big cities, not our towns, and not all private renters want to buy anyway (e.g. students).

    So you're not left with many people for whom lower house prices is a good thing (and particularly not in the main voting cohorts), nor many people with particularly high housing costs. There are broader societal/economic reasons why you might want to change this, but ultimately this is why housing is not a major issue in the polling.
    Another key factor is affordability. House prices of 6 or more times average incomes are affordable with rock bottom interest rates, but not when interest rates return to historically normal levels, as they seem to be doing now.

    The effect on prices is slow, partly as many houses are owned outright or have small mortgages, and most mortgages are on 2 or more year fixed rates. The effect will happen slowly over time and I would expect a real terms slow decline in property prices. Those of us around in the nineties will remember that negative equity brings its own problems.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,798

    geoffw said:

    Hegseth's new title role is Secretary of War, shouldn't it be Secretary for War?

    SoW he is and SoW he shall remain.
    Hegseth was a grunt after all.
    SFW = So fucking what...

    I see the point you are making.

    This administration is building nicely to a crescendo of awfulness. The jobs numbers yesterday were about 50k below expectations, with previous months also further reduced by another 22k - so it's now the worst period for US jobs since the Pandemic.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,018
    geoffw said:

    Hegseth's new title role is Secretary of War, shouldn't it be Secretary for War?

    Secretary for Warsteiner?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,190

    geoffw said:

    Hegseth's new title role is Secretary of War, shouldn't it be Secretary for War?

    Secretary for Warsteiner?
    He’ll invade France to get the last Bourbons.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,190

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Decanting my older child back to uni today. As she’s at St Andrew’s, and has a ton of stuff for the new year in a new house-share, it’s a long tough job. We are overnighting in Lancaster

    What an attractive town! I’m v pleasantly surprised. Normally and sadly British towns surprise on the downside these days. But stone-built Lancaster is ruggedly handsome, with a bracing location, and feels actively prosperous (in the centre, at least)

    Flag report from 6 hours of driving

    A few around London. Basically none from Luton up to Brum. Then a couple. Then a LOT in the north - at one stage almost every bridge had one. More 🇬🇧 than 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

    Do you go the M6 route to Scotland because there is no A1(m) past Newcastle?
    I go up one way and come back the other to vary the tedious journeys
    Anyone who chooses to use the M6 from Wednesbury to the other side of the Orrell Interchange when they don't have to is clinically insane.

    There! You have now proved what we all suspected.
    Might he have used the toll road?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,133
    ydoethur said:

    What the Rayner saga shows above all else is that our system of property sale, conveyancing and taxation is an outdated shambles that needs wholesale reform, as I am sure every single person who has tried to buy or sell a house in the last 20 years will attest.

    If Starmer were to grasp the nettle of fundamental reform there it would make dramatic changes to the lives of millions of people. Far more useful than pandering to the weird obsessions of drunken lunatics about small boats that seems to stem from muddled memories of Dunkirk.

    But he won’t, because he’s actually rather too like the Tories in not trying to sort out the boring stuff that makes a difference to people’s lives* rather than hollow rhetoric about grand visions that will never happen.

    *An interesting example of this from Johnson was the capped bus fares.

    Couldn’t agree more . The whole buying selling process could learn from the French system both at the start in terms of offers etc and in terms of the role of the notaire .
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,042

    geoffw said:

    Hegseth's new title role is Secretary of War, shouldn't it be Secretary for War?

    SoW he is and SoW he shall remain.
    Hegseth was a grunt after all.
    SFW = So fucking what...

    I see the point you are making.

    This administration is building nicely to a crescendo of awfulness. The jobs numbers yesterday were about 50k below expectations, with previous months also further reduced by another 22k - so it's now the worst period for US jobs since the Pandemic.
    Haven’t you heard, Ambassador Mandelson thinks fellow Epstein pal Trump is a maverick risk taker doing the things that other democratic leaders aren’t brave enough to do.

    Ironically in the face of those job figures, the ambo will apparently say in a speech:

    "I credit President Trump's political instincts in identifying the anxieties gripping not only millions of Americans, but also far more pervasive Western trends: economic stagnation for many, a sense of irreversible decline, the lost promise of meaningful work…

    "These American concerns find their mirror image in British society, where Keir Starmer won an electoral mandate for national renewal which is similar to Donald Trump's."

    Move over sycophant Lammy, make room for an expert.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,787
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    What the Rayner saga shows above all else is that our system of property sale, conveyancing and taxation is an outdated shambles that needs wholesale reform, as I am sure every single person who has tried to buy or sell a house in the last 20 years will attest.

    If Starmer were to grasp the nettle of fundamental reform there it would make dramatic changes to the lives of millions of people. Far more useful than pandering to the weird obsessions of drunken lunatics about small boats that seems to stem from muddled memories of Dunkirk.

    But he won’t, because he’s actually rather too like the Tories in not trying to sort out the boring stuff that makes a difference to people’s lives* rather than hollow rhetoric about grand visions that will never happen.

    *An interesting example of this from Johnson was the capped bus fares.

    Perhaps every intending seller could be obliged to assemble a Home Information Pack bulging with professionally attested, relevant information about the property...
    That wasn’t a bad idea, in itself. The stupid part was saying that it couldn’t replace post-offer surveys.

    If HIPS had been there to inform offers, that are then binding, it would actually have speeded up and much simplified the process.
    Preventing bidders from doing their own due diligence? It’s very easy to get a cheap and quick survey but with older properties you need a much more comprehensive one
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,018
    edited September 6
    ydoethur said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Decanting my older child back to uni today. As she’s at St Andrew’s, and has a ton of stuff for the new year in a new house-share, it’s a long tough job. We are overnighting in Lancaster

    What an attractive town! I’m v pleasantly surprised. Normally and sadly British towns surprise on the downside these days. But stone-built Lancaster is ruggedly handsome, with a bracing location, and feels actively prosperous (in the centre, at least)

    Flag report from 6 hours of driving

    A few around London. Basically none from Luton up to Brum. Then a couple. Then a LOT in the north - at one stage almost every bridge had one. More 🇬🇧 than 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

    Do you go the M6 route to Scotland because there is no A1(m) past Newcastle?
    I go up one way and come back the other to vary the tedious journeys
    Anyone who chooses to use the M6 from Wednesbury to the other side of the Orrell Interchange when they don't have to is clinically insane.

    There! You have now proved what we all suspected.
    Might he have used the toll road?
    That only gets him to Cannock. Handy if he wants to crash out at your gaff mind.

    I am sure Newent will feature in the conversation.
  • geoffw said:

    Hegseth's new title role is Secretary of War, shouldn't it be Secretary for War?

    SoW he is and SoW he shall remain.
    Hegseth was a grunt after all.
    SFW = So fucking what...

    I see the point you are making.

    This administration is building nicely to a crescendo of awfulness. The jobs numbers yesterday were about 50k below expectations, with previous months also further reduced by another 22k - so it's now the worst period for US jobs since the Pandemic.
    'Crescendo of awfulness' would actually be good news, because crescendos end. The other (and I fear, more likely) answer is that it will be awfulness all the way down and there's plenty more down to come.

    We were lucky that Britain's dalliance with a crazy leader whose surname began Tru was a brief fever dream. It's not normally like that.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,133

    geoffw said:

    Hegseth's new title role is Secretary of War, shouldn't it be Secretary for War?

    SoW he is and SoW he shall remain.
    Hegseth was a grunt after all.
    SFW = So fucking what...

    I see the point you are making.

    This administration is building nicely to a crescendo of awfulness. The jobs numbers yesterday were about 50k below expectations, with previous months also further reduced by another 22k - so it's now the worst period for US jobs since the Pandemic.
    Haven’t you heard, Ambassador Mandelson thinks fellow Epstein pal Trump is a maverick risk taker doing the things that other democratic leaders aren’t brave enough to do.

    Ironically in the face of those job figures, the ambo will apparently say in a speech:

    "I credit President Trump's political instincts in identifying the anxieties gripping not only millions of Americans, but also far more pervasive Western trends: economic stagnation for many, a sense of irreversible decline, the lost promise of meaningful work…

    "These American concerns find their mirror image in British society, where Keir Starmer won an electoral mandate for national renewal which is similar to Donald Trump's."

    Move over sycophant Lammy, make room for an expert.
    Pass me the sick bag ! What nauseating claptrap .
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,787
    edited September 6
    nico67 said:

    ydoethur said:

    What the Rayner saga shows above all else is that our system of property sale, conveyancing and taxation is an outdated shambles that needs wholesale reform, as I am sure every single person who has tried to buy or sell a house in the last 20 years will attest.

    If Starmer were to grasp the nettle of fundamental reform there it would make dramatic changes to the lives of millions of people. Far more useful than pandering to the weird obsessions of drunken lunatics about small boats that seems to stem from muddled memories of Dunkirk.

    But he won’t, because he’s actually rather too like the Tories in not trying to sort out the boring stuff that makes a difference to people’s lives* rather than hollow rhetoric about grand visions that will never happen.

    *An interesting example of this from Johnson was the capped bus fares.

    Couldn’t agree more . The whole buying selling process could learn from the French system both at the start in terms of offers etc and in terms of the role of the notaire .
    Notaries are an absolute PITA who add zero value. I have to use them whenever I do stuff in Italy and they all they do is stick a seal on my signature. I can get that done by an independent witness if needed
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 6,133
    edited September 6

    nico67 said:

    ydoethur said:

    What the Rayner saga shows above all else is that our system of property sale, conveyancing and taxation is an outdated shambles that needs wholesale reform, as I am sure every single person who has tried to buy or sell a house in the last 20 years will attest.

    If Starmer were to grasp the nettle of fundamental reform there it would make dramatic changes to the lives of millions of people. Far more useful than pandering to the weird obsessions of drunken lunatics about small boats that seems to stem from muddled memories of Dunkirk.

    But he won’t, because he’s actually rather too like the Tories in not trying to sort out the boring stuff that makes a difference to people’s lives* rather than hollow rhetoric about grand visions that will never happen.

    *An interesting example of this from Johnson was the capped bus fares.

    Couldn’t agree more . The whole buying selling process could learn from the French system both at the start in terms of offers etc and in terms of the role of the notaire .
    Notaries are an absolute paid who add zero value. I have to use them whenever I do stuff in Italy and they all they do is stick a seal on my signature. I can get that done by an independent witness if needed
    It depends what you’re actually doing . I’ve dealt with them in France regarding property . The whole experience both in terms of the conveyancing was excellent . As for selling none of the problems of buyers running around making multiple offers , no gazumping and a lot less stress if you’re buying aswell as selling .
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,624
    edited September 6
    @Anabobazina is BACK. Welcome.

    In local news, Nottingham is showing signs of expansion, to include Gedling and Broxtowe. Which is logical but as was pointed out they are just talking about whole District Councils - though the existing District Councils in Notts are quite logical. An improvement, but not quite right.

    There's a Reform-skeptic Youtube Channel called Political Custard, which monitors RefUK Councils by keeping an eye on local media, who whenever he reports on here mangles the names gloriously. Councillor Boam of Leics is "Brom", and @NickPalmer 's old stamping ground of Gedling becomes "Gelding" as if anyone entering would be castrated at the border. He's based in Yorkshire somewhere and has his backdrop arranged as if wearing the Yorkshire Rose like Maggie Simpson's hood.

    Recently he came up with this disturbing video of extremists at a Norwich anti-hotel demonstration:
    https://youtu.be/2BiDMF_mVAs?t=25
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,854
    MattW said:

    @Anabobazina is BACK. Welcome.

    In local news, Nottingham is showing signs of expansion, to include Gedling and Broxtowe. Which is logical but as was pointed out they are just talking about whole District Councils - though the existing District Councils in Notts are quite logical. An improvement, but not quite right.

    There's a Reform-skeptic Youtube Channel called Political Custard, which monitors RefUK Councils by keeping an eye on local media, who whenever he reports on here mangles the names gloriously. Councillor Boam of Leics is "Brom", and @NickPalmer 's old stamping ground of Gedling becomes "Gelding" as if anyone entering would be castrated at the border. He's based in Yorkshire somewhere and has his backdrop arranged as if wearing the Yorkshire Rose like Maggie Simpson's hood.

    Recently he came up with this disturbing video of grass roots extremists at a Norwich demonstration:
    https://youtu.be/2BiDMF_mVAs?t=25

    A minor point: Gedling was Vernon Coaker's constituency.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,624
    MattW said:

    @Anabobazina is BACK. Welcome.

    In local news, Nottingham is showing signs of expansion, to include Gedling and Broxtowe. Which is logical but as was pointed out they are just talking about whole District Councils - though the existing District Councils in Notts are quite logical. An improvement, but not quite right.

    There's a Reform-skeptic Youtube Channel called Political Custard, which monitors RefUK Councils by keeping an eye on local media, who whenever he reports on here mangles the names gloriously. Councillor Boam of Leics is "Brom", and @NickPalmer 's old stamping ground of Gedling becomes "Gelding" as if anyone entering would be castrated at the border. He's based in Yorkshire somewhere and has his backdrop arranged as if wearing the Yorkshire Rose like Maggie Simpson's hood.

    Recently he came up with this disturbing video of extremists at a Norwich anti-hotel demonstration:
    https://youtu.be/2BiDMF_mVAs?t=25

    Ah! Got my Youtube channels muddled - the description is a different one called Bowler Hat Man, who has the disturbing habit of stopping and going silent for several seconds to make sure his point is absorbed.

    The video link is to Political Custard, however.
  • nico67 said:

    geoffw said:

    Hegseth's new title role is Secretary of War, shouldn't it be Secretary for War?

    SoW he is and SoW he shall remain.
    Hegseth was a grunt after all.
    SFW = So fucking what...

    I see the point you are making.

    This administration is building nicely to a crescendo of awfulness. The jobs numbers yesterday were about 50k below expectations, with previous months also further reduced by another 22k - so it's now the worst period for US jobs since the Pandemic.
    Haven’t you heard, Ambassador Mandelson thinks fellow Epstein pal Trump is a maverick risk taker doing the things that other democratic leaders aren’t brave enough to do.

    Ironically in the face of those job figures, the ambo will apparently say in a speech:

    "I credit President Trump's political instincts in identifying the anxieties gripping not only millions of Americans, but also far more pervasive Western trends: economic stagnation for many, a sense of irreversible decline, the lost promise of meaningful work…

    "These American concerns find their mirror image in British society, where Keir Starmer won an electoral mandate for national renewal which is similar to Donald Trump's."

    Move over sycophant Lammy, make room for an expert.
    Pass me the sick bag ! What nauseating claptrap .
    Didn't Mandelson praise brexit recently

    Yesterday's reshuffle moved towards a Blairite government with a Blairlite leader
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,624

    MattW said:

    @Anabobazina is BACK. Welcome.

    In local news, Nottingham is showing signs of expansion, to include Gedling and Broxtowe. Which is logical but as was pointed out they are just talking about whole District Councils - though the existing District Councils in Notts are quite logical. An improvement, but not quite right.

    There's a Reform-skeptic Youtube Channel called Political Custard, which monitors RefUK Councils by keeping an eye on local media, who whenever he reports on here mangles the names gloriously. Councillor Boam of Leics is "Brom", and @NickPalmer 's old stamping ground of Gedling becomes "Gelding" as if anyone entering would be castrated at the border. He's based in Yorkshire somewhere and has his backdrop arranged as if wearing the Yorkshire Rose like Maggie Simpson's hood.

    Recently he came up with this disturbing video of grass roots extremists at a Norwich demonstration:
    https://youtu.be/2BiDMF_mVAs?t=25

    A minor point: Gedling was Vernon Coaker's constituency.
    Thanks. It's early in the morning on a Saturday !
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,947
    Fishing said:

    Eabhal said:

    carnforth said:

    Eabhal said:

    Can Steve Reed build more houses than Angie?

    Other than small boats this government will rise or fall on this surely.

    It's only a small proportion of the country that worries about housing costs. On average they are the lowest they have been since the '80s. I think a crash in prices is actually more of a risk to them than the opposite, particularly in London/SE if they introduce a property value tax and people start worrying about negative equity.

    I think the NHS is a much bigger risk. But all of this is trumped by a general sense of inertia.


    Are they?
    There is a crucial distinction between house prices and housing costs.

    For a start, you have 35%ish of the country that own their property outright. Then you have another 30% who own with a mortgage - they got hammered a bit during the period with high interest rates, but most people with a mortgage do not spend a particularly high proportion of their income on housing. For both these groups, high house prices are a good thing - they are an asset, not a liability or a cost.

    Then you have social renters - 15%. A mixed picture, sometimes good, might not want to buy. And then private renters - another 15%. Not all private rents are insanely high - that tends to be an issue in the big cities, not our towns, and not all private renters want to buy anyway (e.g. students).

    So you're not left with many people for whom lower house prices is a good thing (and particularly not in the main voting cohorts), nor many people with particularly high housing costs. There are broader societal/economic reasons why you might want to change this, but ultimately this is why housing is not a major issue in the polling.
    That's largely wrong.

    For many of those who own their own place, even outright, high house prices are a bad thing, as they want to upgrade in the future. And even if they don't, again for many, high house prices are neutral, as those gains will be on paper forever. And even if house prices are neutral for older homeowners, many will have to fork over fortunes if they want to help their children get on the housing ladder.

    Private rent is determined in large part by the cost of housing, (though other factors such as government regulations also play a part), so reducing property prices would reduce the cost of rent. Students may not want to buy now (though I'm not sure about that - I once visited a friend at business school where housing was very cheap and finance readily available and he said that many of his classmates had bought a place for the two years and would then sell it or rent it out when they moved on) but they are likely to in a few years.

    And of course there are costs throughout the economy because of high property prices generally, of which high house prices are an important component, though most people won't recognise those.

    I think the reason housing doesn't feature is not that more people wouldn't benefit from lower house prices, just as they would benefit from lower food or energy prices, it's that both governing parties have been equally crap about this for a generation and nobody seriously expects either of them to sort it out.
    Both main parties in Ireland have been monumentally useless over housing, but people in Ireland are still furious about the issue.

    I wonder whether in Britain it has been tied up with the immigration issue. Britons may believe the argument that the housing crisis is primarily a crisis created by immigration, and so they're furious about immigration, whereas in Ireland people are more focused on the lack of supply.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,147
    Roger said:
    Bilge, Roger. You can't build a career calling out the Tories for venal, tax dodging behaviour and then fall into the trap yourself...

    Have no fear. Like Mandelson she will resurrect like Deadpool back into the cabinet. I predict it will be May 2026 after disastrous locals when Starmer needs to reconnect with the huddled masses...
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,147

    ydoethur said:

    What the Rayner saga shows above all else is that our system of property sale, conveyancing and taxation is an outdated shambles that needs wholesale reform, as I am sure every single person who has tried to buy or sell a house in the last 20 years will attest.

    If Starmer were to grasp the nettle of fundamental reform there it would make dramatic changes to the lives of millions of people. Far more useful than pandering to the weird obsessions of drunken lunatics about small boats that seems to stem from muddled memories of Dunkirk.

    But he won’t, because he’s actually rather too like the Tories in not trying to sort out the boring stuff that makes a difference to people’s lives* rather than hollow rhetoric about grand visions that will never happen.

    *An interesting example of this from Johnson was the capped bus fares.

    Perhaps every intending seller could be obliged to assemble a Home Information Pack bulging with professionally attested, relevant information about the property...
    I never had an issue with the idea of this. Why have multiple surveys done by interested buyers? Why not have every house with a register of energy efficiency? As ever delivery is everything.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,985

    Roger said:
    What absolute drivel.

    Nadine Dorries is northern,, female working, class worked her way up though the public sector and the Left will quite happily call her mad, uncouth etc. You could argue something similar for Esther McVey who spent the first years of her life in a Barnardos Home yet John McDonnel wants her lynched.

    If youre going to protest about treatment of women MPs maybe you could start by following your own principles.

    Your authentic 'working class Notheren-dar' is well off beam. Esther McVey who I happen to have a tiny knowledge of has nothing whatever to do with being working class. She's privately school educated from the Wirrel. Don't be confused by her slight Liverpool accent. That's just how people who were brought up in that area speak!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,810
    edited September 6

    ydoethur said:

    What the Rayner saga shows above all else is that our system of property sale, conveyancing and taxation is an outdated shambles that needs wholesale reform, as I am sure every single person who has tried to buy or sell a house in the last 20 years will attest.

    If Starmer were to grasp the nettle of fundamental reform there it would make dramatic changes to the lives of millions of people. Far more useful than pandering to the weird obsessions of drunken lunatics about small boats that seems to stem from muddled memories of Dunkirk.

    But he won’t, because he’s actually rather too like the Tories in not trying to sort out the boring stuff that makes a difference to people’s lives* rather than hollow rhetoric about grand visions that will never happen.

    *An interesting example of this from Johnson was the capped bus fares.

    Perhaps every intending seller could be obliged to assemble a Home Information Pack bulging with professionally attested, relevant information about the property...
    I never had an issue with the idea of this. Why have multiple surveys done by interested buyers? Why not have every house with a register of energy efficiency? As ever delivery is everything.
    Because HIPs weren’t proper surveys, and banks didn’t trust them.
  • ydoethur said:

    What the Rayner saga shows above all else is that our system of property sale, conveyancing and taxation is an outdated shambles that needs wholesale reform, as I am sure every single person who has tried to buy or sell a house in the last 20 years will attest.

    If Starmer were to grasp the nettle of fundamental reform there it would make dramatic changes to the lives of millions of people. Far more useful than pandering to the weird obsessions of drunken lunatics about small boats that seems to stem from muddled memories of Dunkirk.

    But he won’t, because he’s actually rather too like the Tories in not trying to sort out the boring stuff that makes a difference to people’s lives* rather than hollow rhetoric about grand visions that will never happen.

    *An interesting example of this from Johnson was the capped bus fares.

    Perhaps every intending seller could be obliged to assemble a Home Information Pack bulging with professionally attested, relevant information about the property...
    I never had an issue with the idea of this. Why have multiple surveys done by interested buyers? Why not have every house with a register of energy efficiency? As ever delivery is everything.
    Every home placed on the market is mandated to produce an energy efficiency rating

    The present system is archaic and needs fundamental change

    I believe that before home can be put on the market a sale pack should be produced to include pre contract enquiry forms and fixture and fittings list, local searches, and of course the presently mandated EPC

    Furthermore no sale should be agreed without full confirmation of the buyers purchasing position including the need to sell their own home and where their funds are being sourced

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,018

    Roger said:
    Bilge, Roger. You can't build a career calling out the Tories for venal, tax dodging behaviour and then fall into the trap yourself...

    Have no fear. Like Mandelson she will resurrect like Deadpool back into the cabinet. I predict it will be May 2026 after disastrous locals when Starmer needs to reconnect with the huddled masses...
    Most right wing politicians have stayed the right side of legality with their and their friends (Dirty Desmond springs to mind) tax avoiding behaviour. In some respects the morality is more egregious, but they invested in top lawyers and tax accountants to remain in the clear and Rayner didn't.

    Rayner had to go because she breached the Ministerial Code. How the f*** Jenrick's advice to Desmond didn't breach anything is beyond me.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,012
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    ydoethur said:

    What the Rayner saga shows above all else is that our system of property sale, conveyancing and taxation is an outdated shambles that needs wholesale reform, as I am sure every single person who has tried to buy or sell a house in the last 20 years will attest.

    If Starmer were to grasp the nettle of fundamental reform there it would make dramatic changes to the lives of millions of people. Far more useful than pandering to the weird obsessions of drunken lunatics about small boats that seems to stem from muddled memories of Dunkirk.

    But he won’t, because he’s actually rather too like the Tories in not trying to sort out the boring stuff that makes a difference to people’s lives* rather than hollow rhetoric about grand visions that will never happen.

    *An interesting example of this from Johnson was the capped bus fares.

    Couldn’t agree more . The whole buying selling process could learn from the French system both at the start in terms of offers etc and in terms of the role of the notaire .
    Notaries are an absolute paid who add zero value. I have to use them whenever I do stuff in Italy and they all they do is stick a seal on my signature. I can get that done by an independent witness if needed
    It depends what you’re actually doing . I’ve dealt with them in France regarding property . The whole experience both in terms of the conveyancing was excellent . As for selling none of the problems of buyers running around making multiple offers , no gazumping and a lot less stress if you’re buying aswell as selling .
    I agree. French property purchases are very smooth processes.

    Notaries can be annoying in other ways: ours is slow to respond to emails (we have needed her for various ownership related issues recently), and has that rather magisterial, tut tutting attitude that suggests she’s our superior and we’re naughty kids, but she knows her stuff.
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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 34,018

    nico67 said:

    geoffw said:

    Hegseth's new title role is Secretary of War, shouldn't it be Secretary for War?

    SoW he is and SoW he shall remain.
    Hegseth was a grunt after all.
    SFW = So fucking what...

    I see the point you are making.

    This administration is building nicely to a crescendo of awfulness. The jobs numbers yesterday were about 50k below expectations, with previous months also further reduced by another 22k - so it's now the worst period for US jobs since the Pandemic.
    Haven’t you heard, Ambassador Mandelson thinks fellow Epstein pal Trump is a maverick risk taker doing the things that other democratic leaders aren’t brave enough to do.

    Ironically in the face of those job figures, the ambo will apparently say in a speech:

    "I credit President Trump's political instincts in identifying the anxieties gripping not only millions of Americans, but also far more pervasive Western trends: economic stagnation for many, a sense of irreversible decline, the lost promise of meaningful work…

    "These American concerns find their mirror image in British society, where Keir Starmer won an electoral mandate for national renewal which is similar to Donald Trump's."

    Move over sycophant Lammy, make room for an expert.
    Pass me the sick bag ! What nauseating claptrap .
    Didn't Mandelson praise brexit recently

    Yesterday's reshuffle moved towards a Blairite government with a Blairlite leader
    A man who has spent his miserable life being wrong claims a Brexit benefit and eulogises Trump.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 16,012
    edited September 6
    ydoethur said:

    geoffw said:

    Hegseth's new title role is Secretary of War, shouldn't it be Secretary for War?

    Secretary for Warsteiner?
    He’ll invade France to get the last Bourbons.
    Then on to Italy to tackle Garibaldi. After rolling over the Swiss.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,586
    edited September 6

    Roger said:
    Bilge, Roger. You can't build a career calling out the Tories for venal, tax dodging behaviour and then fall into the trap yourself...

    Have no fear. Like Mandelson she will resurrect like Deadpool back into the cabinet. I predict it will be May 2026 after disastrous locals when Starmer needs to reconnect with the huddled masses...
    Most right wing politicians have stayed the right side of legality with their and their friends (Dirty Desmond springs to mind) tax avoiding behaviour. In some respects the morality is more egregious, but they invested in top lawyers and tax accountants to remain in the clear and Rayner didn't.

    Rayner had to go because she breached the Ministerial Code. How the f*** Jenrick's advice to Desmond didn't breach anything is beyond me.
    Very much in the tradition of theatrical British due process, particularly from the Victorian era. Sometimes it helps to establish norms, but at other times it eases the far bigger and more socially damaging breaches to go quietly unpunished.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,190
    edited September 6
    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    ydoethur said:

    What the Rayner saga shows above all else is that our system of property sale, conveyancing and taxation is an outdated shambles that needs wholesale reform, as I am sure every single person who has tried to buy or sell a house in the last 20 years will attest.

    If Starmer were to grasp the nettle of fundamental reform there it would make dramatic changes to the lives of millions of people. Far more useful than pandering to the weird obsessions of drunken lunatics about small boats that seems to stem from muddled memories of Dunkirk.

    But he won’t, because he’s actually rather too like the Tories in not trying to sort out the boring stuff that makes a difference to people’s lives* rather than hollow rhetoric about grand visions that will never happen.

    *An interesting example of this from Johnson was the capped bus fares.

    Couldn’t agree more . The whole buying selling process could learn from the French system both at the start in terms of offers etc and in terms of the role of the notaire .
    Notaries are an absolute paid who add zero value. I have to use them whenever I do stuff in Italy and they all they do is stick a seal on my signature. I can get that done by an independent witness if needed
    It depends what you’re actually doing . I’ve dealt with them in France regarding property . The whole experience both in terms of the conveyancing was excellent . As for selling none of the problems of buyers running around making multiple offers , no gazumping and a lot less stress if you’re buying aswell as selling .
    I agree. French property purchases are very smooth processes.

    Notaries can be annoying in other ways: ours is slow to respond to emails (we have needed her for various ownership related issues recently), and has that rather magisterial, tut tutting attitude that suggests she’s our superior and we’re naughty kids, but she knows her stuff.
    Meanwhile, last time I was sorting a house purchase the solicitors for the other side (Davisons) suggested a completion date of the 22nd June (this was on about the 30th May).

    I replied with I think pardonable sarcasm that if this idiot had consulted these things we have called 'calendars' she would have noted the 22nd was a Sunday.
  • TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    ydoethur said:

    What the Rayner saga shows above all else is that our system of property sale, conveyancing and taxation is an outdated shambles that needs wholesale reform, as I am sure every single person who has tried to buy or sell a house in the last 20 years will attest.

    If Starmer were to grasp the nettle of fundamental reform there it would make dramatic changes to the lives of millions of people. Far more useful than pandering to the weird obsessions of drunken lunatics about small boats that seems to stem from muddled memories of Dunkirk.

    But he won’t, because he’s actually rather too like the Tories in not trying to sort out the boring stuff that makes a difference to people’s lives* rather than hollow rhetoric about grand visions that will never happen.

    *An interesting example of this from Johnson was the capped bus fares.

    Couldn’t agree more . The whole buying selling process could learn from the French system both at the start in terms of offers etc and in terms of the role of the notaire .
    Notaries are an absolute paid who add zero value. I have to use them whenever I do stuff in Italy and they all they do is stick a seal on my signature. I can get that done by an independent witness if needed
    It depends what you’re actually doing . I’ve dealt with them in France regarding property . The whole experience both in terms of the conveyancing was excellent . As for selling none of the problems of buyers running around making multiple offers , no gazumping and a lot less stress if you’re buying aswell as selling .
    I agree. French property purchases are very smooth processes.

    Notaries can be annoying in other ways: ours is slow to respond to emails (we have needed her for various ownership related issues recently), and has that rather magisterial, tut tutting attitude that suggests she’s our superior and we’re naughty kids, but she knows her stuff.
    My daughter recent house sale included incorrect legal advice from her lawyer, which fortunately with both my daughter and my knowledge was swift to identify the error and prompt a fulsome apology from her lawyer
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,297
    edited September 6

    ydoethur said:

    What the Rayner saga shows above all else is that our system of property sale, conveyancing and taxation is an outdated shambles that needs wholesale reform, as I am sure every single person who has tried to buy or sell a house in the last 20 years will attest.

    If Starmer were to grasp the nettle of fundamental reform there it would make dramatic changes to the lives of millions of people. Far more useful than pandering to the weird obsessions of drunken lunatics about small boats that seems to stem from muddled memories of Dunkirk.

    But he won’t, because he’s actually rather too like the Tories in not trying to sort out the boring stuff that makes a difference to people’s lives* rather than hollow rhetoric about grand visions that will never happen.

    *An interesting example of this from Johnson was the capped bus fares.

    Perhaps every intending seller could be obliged to assemble a Home Information Pack bulging with professionally attested, relevant information about the property...
    I never had an issue with the idea of this. Why have multiple surveys done by interested buyers? Why not have every house with a register of energy efficiency? As ever delivery is everything.
    Every home placed on the market is mandated to produce an energy efficiency rating

    The present system is archaic and needs fundamental change

    I believe that before home can be put on the market a sale pack should be produced to include pre contract enquiry forms and fixture and fittings list, local searches, and of course the presently mandated EPC

    Furthermore no sale should be agreed without full confirmation of the buyers purchasing position including the need to sell their own home and where their funds are being sourced

    The Scottish system is still going, But it is different. It involves a Home Report available to all buyers. As well as an energy report and a valuation, it includes a systematic questionnaire answered by the seller - various things such as any knowledge of flood down to whether the light bulbs are included - and a professional survey by a surveyor.

    When selling my late father's house (built 1900) this was enough to get it sold apart from a further look by a builder at the roof at the request of the prospective buyer (there is a flat bit not visible from the ground which needed a view through a hatch).

    https://walkerfrasersteele.co.uk/home-reports/
  • nico67 said:

    geoffw said:

    Hegseth's new title role is Secretary of War, shouldn't it be Secretary for War?

    SoW he is and SoW he shall remain.
    Hegseth was a grunt after all.
    SFW = So fucking what...

    I see the point you are making.

    This administration is building nicely to a crescendo of awfulness. The jobs numbers yesterday were about 50k below expectations, with previous months also further reduced by another 22k - so it's now the worst period for US jobs since the Pandemic.
    Haven’t you heard, Ambassador Mandelson thinks fellow Epstein pal Trump is a maverick risk taker doing the things that other democratic leaders aren’t brave enough to do.

    Ironically in the face of those job figures, the ambo will apparently say in a speech:

    "I credit President Trump's political instincts in identifying the anxieties gripping not only millions of Americans, but also far more pervasive Western trends: economic stagnation for many, a sense of irreversible decline, the lost promise of meaningful work…

    "These American concerns find their mirror image in British society, where Keir Starmer won an electoral mandate for national renewal which is similar to Donald Trump's."

    Move over sycophant Lammy, make room for an expert.
    Pass me the sick bag ! What nauseating claptrap .
    Didn't Mandelson praise brexit recently

    Yesterday's reshuffle moved towards a Blairite government with a Blairlite leader
    A man who has spent his miserable life being wrong claims a Brexit benefit and eulogises Trump.
    It must hurt to see labour grandees championing brexit
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 20,147
    Sandpit said:

    ydoethur said:

    What the Rayner saga shows above all else is that our system of property sale, conveyancing and taxation is an outdated shambles that needs wholesale reform, as I am sure every single person who has tried to buy or sell a house in the last 20 years will attest.

    If Starmer were to grasp the nettle of fundamental reform there it would make dramatic changes to the lives of millions of people. Far more useful than pandering to the weird obsessions of drunken lunatics about small boats that seems to stem from muddled memories of Dunkirk.

    But he won’t, because he’s actually rather too like the Tories in not trying to sort out the boring stuff that makes a difference to people’s lives* rather than hollow rhetoric about grand visions that will never happen.

    *An interesting example of this from Johnson was the capped bus fares.

    Perhaps every intending seller could be obliged to assemble a Home Information Pack bulging with professionally attested, relevant information about the property...
    I never had an issue with the idea of this. Why have multiple surveys done by interested buyers? Why not have every house with a register of energy efficiency? As ever delivery is everything.
    Because HIPs weren’t proper surveys, and banks didn’t trust them.
    Well - I assumed that the original idea was that they would be. Everything ready, done and dusted.
  • Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    What the Rayner saga shows above all else is that our system of property sale, conveyancing and taxation is an outdated shambles that needs wholesale reform, as I am sure every single person who has tried to buy or sell a house in the last 20 years will attest.

    If Starmer were to grasp the nettle of fundamental reform there it would make dramatic changes to the lives of millions of people. Far more useful than pandering to the weird obsessions of drunken lunatics about small boats that seems to stem from muddled memories of Dunkirk.

    But he won’t, because he’s actually rather too like the Tories in not trying to sort out the boring stuff that makes a difference to people’s lives* rather than hollow rhetoric about grand visions that will never happen.

    *An interesting example of this from Johnson was the capped bus fares.

    Perhaps every intending seller could be obliged to assemble a Home Information Pack bulging with professionally attested, relevant information about the property...
    I never had an issue with the idea of this. Why have multiple surveys done by interested buyers? Why not have every house with a register of energy efficiency? As ever delivery is everything.
    Every home placed on the market is mandated to produce an energy efficiency rating

    The present system is archaic and needs fundamental change

    I believe that before home can be put on the market a sale pack should be produced to include pre contract enquiry forms and fixture and fittings list, local searches, and of course the presently mandated EPC

    Furthermore no sale should be agreed without full confirmation of the buyers purchasing position including the need to sell their own home and where their funds are being sourced

    The Scottish system is still going, But it is different. It involves a Home Report available to all buyers. As well as an energy report and a valuation, it includes a systematic questionnaire answered by the seller - various things such as any knowledge of flood down to whether the light bulbs are included - and a professional survey by a surveyor.

    When selling my late father's house (built 1900) this was enough to get it sold apart from a further look by a builder at the roof at the request of the prospective buyer (there is a flat bit not visible from the ground which needed a view through a hatch).

    https://walkerfrasersteele.co.uk/home-reports/
    When we bought and sold our homes in Scotland the system was infinitely better than England and Wales
  • NEW THREAD

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,940
    MattW said:

    malcolmg said:

    Interesting follow on from Leon story of last week, more speculation after all @Leon
    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/man-woman-charged-after-dundee-35850128

    Is that not the same one?

    We still don't know which man and woman were arrested.
    Last week it was the 12 year old arrested, and true we don't know who arrested now but given a man and woman were involved it would point in their direction, mystery continues.
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