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  • Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Paddy O'Connell talking to Lords Dubs.

    'You're situation with the kinder transport was obviously different from the small boat chancers.'

    Wanker.

    I have always wondered why this incompetent nincompoop keeps being promoted on Radio 4, Radio 2 and BBC News, now I know. He understands how to load a question to the direction Tim Davie would most likely approve.

    I don't want boat people rocking up to Great Yarmouth anymore than Rupert Lowe does. However, was the suffix "chancers" absolutely necessary unless a specific and political point was being made?
    He could just have said illegal law breaking economic immigrants
    Like Rupert Lowe found them arriving on the beaches at Great Yarmouth and repelled them successfully, have you got a Home Guard scrambled to fight them off the beaches at Troon and Largs?
    Mexicanpete - soft on illegal immigration, soft on the causes of illegal immigration :lol:
    Not at all. On a nightly basis, like Rupert in Great Yarmouth I patrol the beaches of Southerdown and Ognore by Sea to repel the boat people. I've already dragged fifty youngsters back into the Bristol Channel and sent them from whence they came. Presumably France.
    Whence means 'from where'
    What strange poster gave you a like for this post?
    "From where" sounds fine
    "Whence" sounds a little more erudite
    "From whence" sounds like an ignorant attempt at erudition

    Just a handy hint for you
    Er .... wouldn't 'whither' be the correct usage for returning someone to where they came?

    "I've already dragged fifty youngsters back into the Bristol Channel and sent them whither they came."
    Well..

    "return them whence they came" has about 150 Google Books search results (granted, some repeats from different editions of the same book)

    "return them whither they came" has zero
    Though..

    "return them from whence they came" does have about 95
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,804
    I'm filling in for a friend and teaching English to refugees next week. I'll be sure that they are au courant with this 'whence' absolute shit.

    Or I might just set them on fire. That would be more in keeping with the spirit of the pb.com Combat 18 singalong.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,596
    edited August 24
    sarissa said:

    Leon said:

    Can this possibly be true? Can the PB Scotch brigade confirm? -

    “The Child Winter Heating Payment is:
    - Provided all the way up to 19 (inc. those on *Adult* Disability Payment)
    - Given per PERSON, not per household
    - Available for those in the EEA & Switzerland with "sufficient link" to Scotland
    - Given automatically with no application needed”

    A welfare payment for enduring Scottish winters given to every child, even if you no longer live in Scotland. Or indeed the UK. And even if you’re not a child

    If this is true, it becomes less mystifying as to why we’re bankrupt

    https://x.com/tim_odoherty/status/1957169027576463568?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Child Winter Heating Payment is a benefit from the Scottish Government. It was first paid in 2020.

    It’s a payment to help disabled children and young people and their families with increased heating costs over winter.

    Children and young people in Scotland can get the assistance if they're under 19 years old and get one of the following 'qualifying benefits':

    the highest rate of the care component of Child Disability Payment
    the highest rate of the care component of Disability Living Allowance for children
    the enhanced daily living component of Personal Independence Payment
    the enhanced rate of the daily living component of Adult Disability Payment

    Never let fact get in the way of a rabble-rousing argument, but it’s what I would expect from a fiction writer.
    Did you not notice that my comment was framed as a question? And that I queried the validity of this claim and asked you guys to verify

    Look, see - question marks. Also words like “if this is true”, and can this possibly be true”

    Derrr
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,657
    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    I hope we're all off to join the anti demo demos.

    Watching the Faragists parade outside hotels is as close to an all time low as it gets. Moreso when you see what demonising 'the other' looks like on our TVs every night.

    No, fuck that. I’m waiting for a bus to Newcastle to go to the market then the Mela.
    Don't forget yer tabs...
    I don’t smoke. I have few vices in life aside from a little tipple after evensong
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,596

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Paddy O'Connell talking to Lords Dubs.

    'You're situation with the kinder transport was obviously different from the small boat chancers.'

    Wanker.

    I have always wondered why this incompetent nincompoop keeps being promoted on Radio 4, Radio 2 and BBC News, now I know. He understands how to load a question to the direction Tim Davie would most likely approve.

    I don't want boat people rocking up to Great Yarmouth anymore than Rupert Lowe does. However, was the suffix "chancers" absolutely necessary unless a specific and political point was being made?
    He could just have said illegal law breaking economic immigrants
    Like Rupert Lowe found them arriving on the beaches at Great Yarmouth and repelled them successfully, have you got a Home Guard scrambled to fight them off the beaches at Troon and Largs?
    Mexicanpete - soft on illegal immigration, soft on the causes of illegal immigration :lol:
    Not at all. On a nightly basis, like Rupert in Great Yarmouth I patrol the beaches of Southerdown and Ognore by Sea to repel the boat people. I've already dragged fifty youngsters back into the Bristol Channel and sent them from whence they came. Presumably France.
    Whence means 'from where'
    What strange poster gave you a like for this post?
    "From where" sounds fine
    "Whence" sounds a little more erudite
    "From whence" sounds like an ignorant attempt at erudition

    Just a handy hint for you
    Er .... wouldn't 'whither' be the correct usage for returning someone to where they came?

    "I've already dragged fifty youngsters back into the Bristol Channel and sent them whither they came."
    Well..

    "return them whence they came" has about 150 Google Books search results (granted, some repeats from different editions of the same book)

    "return them whither they came" has zero
    Though..

    "return them from whence they came" does have about 95
    Whence without “from” deffo sounds more bouji

    Also skibidi, and peng
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,332

    Meanwhile, in "flag fans flagging" news, here's a Reform run council acknowledging reality;

    Although we appreciate people showing their patriotism, we cannot condone painting highways assets in this way," councillor Peter Mason, cabinet member for highways, said.

    "This presents a safety and insurance issue and will have to be removed at the expense of the taxpayer."

    He encouraged residents to "show their love for their country" in other ways such as flying a flag "in a safe way".

    The Reform UK-led authority confirmed it was looking to remove the painting on the crossing as soon as possible.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crr2p9zpg7do.amp

    This bit of trivia is nonetheless a straw in the wind, as well as being dryly amusing. Multiply this by a few trillion and we have the dilemmas and compromises Reform in government will be grappling with as their former supporters throw decaying badger corpses at their spokespersons.

    Even on this triviality they reach for health and safety and weasel words about how marvellous it is to use the flag in any way apart from those a bureaucracy finds inconvenient.

    "Cannot condone". Lovely. There is a good deal of innocent entertainment on the way.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,596
    algarkirk said:

    Meanwhile, in "flag fans flagging" news, here's a Reform run council acknowledging reality;

    Although we appreciate people showing their patriotism, we cannot condone painting highways assets in this way," councillor Peter Mason, cabinet member for highways, said.

    "This presents a safety and insurance issue and will have to be removed at the expense of the taxpayer."

    He encouraged residents to "show their love for their country" in other ways such as flying a flag "in a safe way".

    The Reform UK-led authority confirmed it was looking to remove the painting on the crossing as soon as possible.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crr2p9zpg7do.amp

    This bit of trivia is nonetheless a straw in the wind, as well as being dryly amusing. Multiply this by a few trillion and we have the dilemmas and compromises Reform in government will be grappling with as their former supporters throw decaying badger corpses at their spokespersons.

    Even on this triviality they reach for health and safety and weasel words about how marvellous it is to use the flag in any way apart from those a bureaucracy finds inconvenient.

    "Cannot condone". Lovely. There is a good deal of innocent entertainment on the way.
    You are absolutely terrified of the prospect of a Reform government
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,492
    edited August 24
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Meanwhile, in "flag fans flagging" news, here's a Reform run council acknowledging reality;

    Although we appreciate people showing their patriotism, we cannot condone painting highways assets in this way," councillor Peter Mason, cabinet member for highways, said.

    "This presents a safety and insurance issue and will have to be removed at the expense of the taxpayer."

    He encouraged residents to "show their love for their country" in other ways such as flying a flag "in a safe way".

    The Reform UK-led authority confirmed it was looking to remove the painting on the crossing as soon as possible.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crr2p9zpg7do.amp

    This bit of trivia is nonetheless a straw in the wind, as well as being dryly amusing. Multiply this by a few trillion and we have the dilemmas and compromises Reform in government will be grappling with as their former supporters throw decaying badger corpses at their spokespersons.

    Even on this triviality they reach for health and safety and weasel words about how marvellous it is to use the flag in any way apart from those a bureaucracy finds inconvenient.

    "Cannot condone". Lovely. There is a good deal of innocent entertainment on the way.
    You are absolutely terrified of the prospect of a Reform government
    No wonder if their nascent record in local government is owt to go by.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,034
    edited August 24
    Government plans to overhaul asylum appeals system

    The government has promised to give more details about how it will speed up cases in the autumn.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg4xp4ywk47o

    Quick, quick, we need a headline. We haven't thought through we were are proposing as currently inter-railing, just put out a press release saying something will be done.

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,851

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25413339.iranian-bots-behind-1-300-pro-independence-x-accounts/

    Now, remember, that this is going to apply for every other contentious political discourse on Twitter.

    I wish these pieces would give examples of these pro Indy, pro Iran, anti Brexit bot accounts just to see if an actual Scottish person recognises any of them, and if they have an impact in Scotpol discourse.

    Not that I’m saying ‘Cyabra, which is based in Tel Aviv’ isn’t an entirely reliable source.

  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,332
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Meanwhile, in "flag fans flagging" news, here's a Reform run council acknowledging reality;

    Although we appreciate people showing their patriotism, we cannot condone painting highways assets in this way," councillor Peter Mason, cabinet member for highways, said.

    "This presents a safety and insurance issue and will have to be removed at the expense of the taxpayer."

    He encouraged residents to "show their love for their country" in other ways such as flying a flag "in a safe way".

    The Reform UK-led authority confirmed it was looking to remove the painting on the crossing as soon as possible.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crr2p9zpg7do.amp

    This bit of trivia is nonetheless a straw in the wind, as well as being dryly amusing. Multiply this by a few trillion and we have the dilemmas and compromises Reform in government will be grappling with as their former supporters throw decaying badger corpses at their spokespersons.

    Even on this triviality they reach for health and safety and weasel words about how marvellous it is to use the flag in any way apart from those a bureaucracy finds inconvenient.

    "Cannot condone". Lovely. There is a good deal of innocent entertainment on the way.
    You are absolutely terrified of the prospect of a Reform government
    Not at all. Fascinated. Absorbed. So interested that part of me wants them to form a majority government to see what happens next. I have a very high level of trust that the UK is not the USA. If I didn't think that I would be more worried.

    There is the additional difficult that any competent government would also have to be quite boring, just as boring as the present lot, and very unamusing. Reform offers prospects for our entertainment, like Foot and Corbyn. I think we should be more grateful for their efforts.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,492
    edited August 24

    Government plans to overhaul asylum appeals system

    The government has promised to give more details about how it will speed up cases in the autumn.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg4xp4ywk47o

    Quick, quick, we need a headline. We haven't thought through we were are proposing as currently inter-railing, just put out a press release saying something will be done.

    In the months to come there shall be long term plans for haste
    Thats our plan for change in action
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,058

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Paddy O'Connell talking to Lords Dubs.

    'You're situation with the kinder transport was obviously different from the small boat chancers.'

    Wanker.

    I have always wondered why this incompetent nincompoop keeps being promoted on Radio 4, Radio 2 and BBC News, now I know. He understands how to load a question to the direction Tim Davie would most likely approve.

    I don't want boat people rocking up to Great Yarmouth anymore than Rupert Lowe does. However, was the suffix "chancers" absolutely necessary unless a specific and political point was being made?
    He could just have said illegal law breaking economic immigrants
    Like Rupert Lowe found them arriving on the beaches at Great Yarmouth and repelled them successfully, have you got a Home Guard scrambled to fight them off the beaches at Troon and Largs?
    Mexicanpete - soft on illegal immigration, soft on the causes of illegal immigration :lol:
    Not at all. On a nightly basis, like Rupert in Great Yarmouth I patrol the beaches of Southerdown and Ognore by Sea to repel the boat people. I've already dragged fifty youngsters back into the Bristol Channel and sent them from whence they came. Presumably France.
    Whence means 'from where'
    What strange poster gave you a like for this post?
    "From where" sounds fine
    "Whence" sounds a little more erudite
    "From whence" sounds like an ignorant attempt at erudition

    Just a handy hint for you
    Er .... wouldn't 'whither' be the correct usage for returning someone to where they came?

    "I've already dragged fifty youngsters back into the Bristol Channel and sent them whither they came."
    Well..

    "return them whence they came" has about 150 Google Books search results (granted, some repeats from different editions of the same book)

    "return them whither they came" has zero
    The argument of vox pop does have an obvious risk of fallacy contained in it.

    I'm reminded of the grafitto in the toilet in my university department when I was a student.

    "Eat shit. 1,000,000,000,000 flies can't be wrong."
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,058
    edited August 24
    Talking about sentences, have we done this?

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/aug/24/labour-abolish-most-short-prison-sentences-england-wales

    "Ministers will legislate next month to abolish most short prison sentences, toughen up community punishments and introduce a Texas-inspired system whereby inmates can earn early release as part of an attempt to avert another prison crisis.

    Government sources said the legislation, which will bring about the biggest shake-up in sentencing laws in England and Wales for three decades, would be introduced once MPs had returned to the Commons in September."

    Given it sounds rather like what the Scots have been doing, am I missing something with the Texas comparison, or is it just that some folk will say anything not to have to admit they might be following the SNP?

    Edit: on rewflection, more likely done to impress a very different voting demographic.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,770
    Rayner is clearly trying to reduce the chances of Khan or Burnham emerging as rivals to her succeeding Starmer by ensuring neither can stand as an MP while they are Mayors
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,332

    Government plans to overhaul asylum appeals system

    The government has promised to give more details about how it will speed up cases in the autumn.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg4xp4ywk47o

    Quick, quick, we need a headline. We haven't thought through we were are proposing as currently inter-railing, just put out a press release saying something will be done.

    In the months to come there shall be long term plans for haste
    Thats our plan for change in action
    That's not enough, you haven't said 'at pace'.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,058
    algarkirk said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Paddy O'Connell talking to Lords Dubs.

    'You're situation with the kinder transport was obviously different from the small boat chancers.'

    Wanker.

    I have always wondered why this incompetent nincompoop keeps being promoted on Radio 4, Radio 2 and BBC News, now I know. He understands how to load a question to the direction Tim Davie would most likely approve.

    I don't want boat people rocking up to Great Yarmouth anymore than Rupert Lowe does. However, was the suffix "chancers" absolutely necessary unless a specific and political point was being made?
    He could just have said illegal law breaking economic immigrants
    Like Rupert Lowe found them arriving on the beaches at Great Yarmouth and repelled them successfully, have you got a Home Guard scrambled to fight them off the beaches at Troon and Largs?
    Mexicanpete - soft on illegal immigration, soft on the causes of illegal immigration :lol:
    Not at all. On a nightly basis, like Rupert in Great Yarmouth I patrol the beaches of Southerdown and Ognore by Sea to repel the boat people. I've already dragged fifty youngsters back into the Bristol Channel and sent them from whence they came. Presumably France.
    Whence means 'from where'
    What strange poster gave you a like for this post?
    "From where" sounds fine
    "Whence" sounds a little more erudite
    "From whence" sounds like an ignorant attempt at erudition

    Just a handy hint for you
    Er .... wouldn't 'whither' be the correct usage for returning someone to where they came?

    "I've already dragged fifty youngsters back into the Bristol Channel and sent them whither they came."
    Whither they came whence perhaps
    Mm, on reflection, yes! But 'whither they started' would avoid the vector element within the verb in the dependent clause.
    If I'm turned on and cant work out what caused it have I got the Whorn?
    These are important questions.
    Especially if it is relevant to going shopping for some Quorn mince or a Quorn pastie.
    How old do you have to be to assume, as I do, born 1954, that 'Quorn mince' must be made of fox meat?
    Or braxy mutton and road-kill cattle fed to the pack.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,596
    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,958
    Dura_Ace said:

    I'm filling in for a friend and teaching English to refugees next week. I'll be sure that they are au courant with this 'whence' absolute shit.

    Or I might just set them on fire. That would be more in keeping with the spirit of the pb.com Combat 18 singalong.

    You might get away with 31 months for that with a good lawyer and an "enough is enough, I want my country back" mitigation plea.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,492
    algarkirk said:

    Government plans to overhaul asylum appeals system

    The government has promised to give more details about how it will speed up cases in the autumn.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg4xp4ywk47o

    Quick, quick, we need a headline. We haven't thought through we were are proposing as currently inter-railing, just put out a press release saying something will be done.

    In the months to come there shall be long term plans for haste
    Thats our plan for change in action
    That's not enough, you haven't said 'at pace'.
    Guilty as charged.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,034
    edited August 24
    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    I am sure Rachel from accounts won't go borrowing / spending any additional money in the next budget.....
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,528
    I missed this a couple of days ago, but for US Dem watchers this is news:

    Sherrod Brown announces he's running for Ohio for senate again.

  • "Angela Rayner adds to property empire with £850k holiday home"

    From the Telegraph is pretty stupid

    A house in Manchester is not a property empire
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,034
    edited August 24

    "Angela Rayner adds to property empire with £850k holiday home"

    From the Telegraph is pretty stupid

    A house in Manchester is not a property empire

    Its pure clickbait.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,958
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Meanwhile, in "flag fans flagging" news, here's a Reform run council acknowledging reality;

    Although we appreciate people showing their patriotism, we cannot condone painting highways assets in this way," councillor Peter Mason, cabinet member for highways, said.

    "This presents a safety and insurance issue and will have to be removed at the expense of the taxpayer."

    He encouraged residents to "show their love for their country" in other ways such as flying a flag "in a safe way".

    The Reform UK-led authority confirmed it was looking to remove the painting on the crossing as soon as possible.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crr2p9zpg7do.amp

    This bit of trivia is nonetheless a straw in the wind, as well as being dryly amusing. Multiply this by a few trillion and we have the dilemmas and compromises Reform in government will be grappling with as their former supporters throw decaying badger corpses at their spokespersons.

    Even on this triviality they reach for health and safety and weasel words about how marvellous it is to use the flag in any way apart from those a bureaucracy finds inconvenient.

    "Cannot condone". Lovely. There is a good deal of innocent entertainment on the way.
    You are absolutely terrified of the prospect of a Reform government
    Not as terrified as you are of any alleviation under Labour of the 100% Tory created asylum hotels problem.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,492

    "Angela Rayner adds to property empire with £850k holiday home"

    From the Telegraph is pretty stupid

    A house in Manchester is not a property empire

    Nor is a grace and favour one even property.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,895
    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,034
    edited August 24
    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    Is the government intending on spending loads more money to achieve a bit of growth?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,528
    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace


    Julian Jessop
    @julianHjessop

    If you want a little more optimism, here are four things that might at least delay a fiscal meltdown... 🧵

    https://x.com/julianHjessop/status/1959577561538687466
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,492
    How come it is legal to deface our flag by shouting "ENGLAND" and "MY FOOTBALL TEAM" all over it?
    No other country would tolerate such disrespectful vandalism of our symbol of national pride.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,958
    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    A "heavyweight Telegraph report" - that's a rare and exotic creature indeed.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,895

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    Is the government intending on spending loads more money to achieve a bit of growth?
    The data so far in August was better than expected . There’s been a strong recovery since April .
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,703
    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    I hope we're all off to join the anti demo demos.

    Watching the Faragists parade outside hotels is as close to an all time low as it gets. Moreso when you see what demonising 'the other' looks like on our TVs every night.

    No, fuck that. I’m waiting for a bus to Newcastle to go to the market then the Mela.
    Don't forget yer tabs...
    I don’t smoke. I have few vices in life aside from a little tipple after evensong
    "I don't drink, I don't smoke. I don't do anything that's bad for me."
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,528
    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The newspapers on an August bank holiday weekend are invariably a complete waste of space or pixels.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,703
    Carnyx said:

    Carnyx said:

    malcolmg said:

    Paddy O'Connell talking to Lords Dubs.

    'You're situation with the kinder transport was obviously different from the small boat chancers.'

    Wanker.

    I have always wondered why this incompetent nincompoop keeps being promoted on Radio 4, Radio 2 and BBC News, now I know. He understands how to load a question to the direction Tim Davie would most likely approve.

    I don't want boat people rocking up to Great Yarmouth anymore than Rupert Lowe does. However, was the suffix "chancers" absolutely necessary unless a specific and political point was being made?
    He could just have said illegal law breaking economic immigrants
    Like Rupert Lowe found them arriving on the beaches at Great Yarmouth and repelled them successfully, have you got a Home Guard scrambled to fight them off the beaches at Troon and Largs?
    Mexicanpete - soft on illegal immigration, soft on the causes of illegal immigration :lol:
    Not at all. On a nightly basis, like Rupert in Great Yarmouth I patrol the beaches of Southerdown and Ognore by Sea to repel the boat people. I've already dragged fifty youngsters back into the Bristol Channel and sent them from whence they came. Presumably France.
    Whence means 'from where'
    What strange poster gave you a like for this post?
    "From where" sounds fine
    "Whence" sounds a little more erudite
    "From whence" sounds like an ignorant attempt at erudition

    Just a handy hint for you
    Er .... wouldn't 'whither' be the correct usage for returning someone to where they came?

    "I've already dragged fifty youngsters back into the Bristol Channel and sent them whither they came."
    Well..

    "return them whence they came" has about 150 Google Books search results (granted, some repeats from different editions of the same book)

    "return them whither they came" has zero
    The argument of vox pop does have an obvious risk of fallacy contained in it.

    I'm reminded of the grafitto in the toilet in my university department when I was a student.

    "Eat shit. 1,000,000,000,000 flies can't be wrong."
    "Veni, vidi, vomiti"
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,572
    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Those reading PB should already know this. £60bn per year in extra spending, £40bn per year in extra borrowing has a few potential outcomes, one of which is an IMF programme to cut spending in return for staving off an external default, the other is a new QE programme and rampant inflation, impoverishing people who work. Both are existential for Labour.

    An IMF programme will be the end of the Labour party and a QE programme which leads to more prolonged inflation will be the slow death.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,770
    edited August 24
    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    And if Reeves tried that Labour would likely be over taken by Corbyn’s new party on the left plus the Greens.

    Corbyn’s party would become the Syriza of the UK. It would be political suicide for Labour and could mean a choice between Farage and Corbyn at the next general election
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,895
    US markets play an oversized role in effecting the UK . The Eurozone isn’t so effected by bond moves in the US.

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,572
    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    What makes you think that economic growth will come in better than expected?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,536
    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,438

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25413339.iranian-bots-behind-1-300-pro-independence-x-accounts/

    Now, remember, that this is going to apply for every other contentious political discourse on Twitter.

    I wish these pieces would give examples of these pro Indy, pro Iran, anti Brexit bot accounts just to see if an actual Scottish person recognises any of them, and if they have an impact in Scotpol discourse.

    Not that I’m saying ‘Cyabra, which is based in Tel Aviv’ isn’t an entirely reliable source.

    Given the quality of current Herald journalism, I would be surprised if all it’s content was written by bots. The same could also be said about the Telegraph.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,984

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
    It might increase the birth rate as men look at their blocked porn site then at their wife and after a few weeks of exhausting their mental wank bank they decide she’s better than nothing.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,703
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Those reading PB should already know this. £60bn per year in extra spending, £40bn per year in extra borrowing has a few potential outcomes, one of which is an IMF programme to cut spending in return for staving off an external default, the other is a new QE programme and rampant inflation, impoverishing people who work. Both are existential for Labour.

    An IMF programme will be the end of the Labour party and a QE programme which leads to more prolonged inflation will be the slow death.
    "The next war isn't going to be a cold war, it'll be a shooting war, a ballistic war ; over a rapidly-dwindling eco-system. The last of the world's energy, drinkable water, breathable air."
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,895
    MaxPB said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    What makes you think that economic growth will come in better than expected?
    Several factors , including an increase in business optimism especially in the service sector which is 80% of UK GDP . Manufacturing continues to be a drag though but it’s a small part of the economy .

    Services PMI climbed to 53.6 above expectations of 51.8 .
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,770
    edited August 24
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Those reading PB should already know this. £60bn per year in extra spending, £40bn per year in extra borrowing has a few potential outcomes, one of which is an IMF programme to cut spending in return for staving off an external default, the other is a new QE programme and rampant inflation, impoverishing people who work. Both are existential for Labour.

    An IMF programme will be the end of the Labour party and a QE programme which leads to more prolonged inflation will be the slow death.
    Such an IMF programme could well unite the left behind Corbyn and even see him become PM on a tax the rich to fund public spending platform.

  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,438
    edited August 24

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25413339.iranian-bots-behind-1-300-pro-independence-x-accounts/

    Now, remember, that this is going to apply for every other contentious political discourse on Twitter.

    I wish these pieces would give examples of these pro Indy, pro Iran, anti Brexit bot accounts just to see if an actual Scottish person recognises any of them, and if they have an impact in Scotpol discourse.

    Not that I’m saying ‘Cyabra, which is based in Tel Aviv’ isn’t an entirely reliable source.

    Given the quality of current Herald journalism, I would wouldn’t be surprised if all it’s content was written by bots. The same could also be said about the Telegraph.
    Edit: too late to edit original post.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,596
    edited August 24
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    Is the government intending on spending loads more money to achieve a bit of growth?
    The data so far in August was better than expected . There’s been a strong recovery since April .
    Inflation is surging, unemployment is rising, growth is close to zero, the government is the sixth most indebted developed nation on earth

    The deficit is huge and growing, public spending is outwith control, the pensions bill is crippling, we have millions of working age people on benefits, the tax burden is the heaviest in seventy years, councils are sliding into bankruptcy, real wages have barely risen in two decades, business investment is stagnant, productivity is among the worst in the OECD, foreign capital and private wealth is fleeing to safer, more dynamic economies, destroying our tax base, even as borrowing costs are through the roof: 30-year gilt yields have surged past 5.6 %, the highest since 1998, and 10-year yields are hovering at an eye watering, crisis-signalling 4.7 %, so that every pound we borrow moves us closer to the cliff edge marked "Greece or Argentina?". Meanwhile our Chancellor literally weeps in parliament because she knows she cannot do the job and we are headed for disaster

    But "the data in August was better than expected"
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,438
    If Labour recover by 2028, Starmer will fight the next election. If they don’t recover, they won’t replace a useless policy devoid numpty with a personality bypass with another useless policy devoid numpty with a personality bypass. So Khan won’t be chosen.

    If Labour need to combat Farage and “your party” it will need to be Rayner.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,596
    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
    It might increase the birth rate as men look at their blocked porn site then at their wife and after a few weeks of exhausting their mental wank bank they decide she’s better than nothing.
    I'm a prepper. Over the last ten years I've hoarded about a thousand photos and videos of my last 20 girlfriends. Along with my tins of cassoulet, I could last for years
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,214

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace


    Julian Jessop
    @julianHjessop

    If you want a little more optimism, here are four things that might at least delay a fiscal meltdown... 🧵

    https://x.com/julianHjessop/status/1959577561538687466
    For those of us who have resisted the siren lure of X what are the other 3?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,657
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
    It might increase the birth rate as men look at their blocked porn site then at their wife and after a few weeks of exhausting their mental wank bank they decide she’s better than nothing.
    I'm a prepper. Over the last ten years I've hoarded about a thousand photos and videos of my last 20 girlfriends. Along with my tins of cassoulet, I could last for years
    20 girlfriends? You only have ten fingers, unless you've evolved to ape level and can use your feet as well... ;)

    (Sorry, I forgot your socks...)
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,895
    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    Is the government intending on spending loads more money to achieve a bit of growth?
    The data so far in August was better than expected . There’s been a strong recovery since April .
    Inflation is surging, unemployment is rising, growth is close to zero, the government is the sixth most indebted developed nation on earth

    The deficit is huge and growing, public spending is outwith control, the pensions bill is crippling, we have millions of working age people on benefits, the tax burden is the heaviest in seventy years, councils are sliding into bankruptcy, real wages have barely risen in two decades, business investment is stagnant, productivity is among the worst in the OECD, foreign capital and private wealth is fleeing to safer, more dynamic economies, destroying our tax base, even as borrowing costs are through the roof: 30-year gilt yields have surged past 5.6 %, the highest since 1998, and 10-year yields are hovering at an eye watering, crisis-signalling 4.7 %, so that every pound we borrow moves us closer to the cliff edge marked "Greece or Argentina?". Meanwhile our Chancellor literally weeps in parliament because she knows she cannot do the job and we are headed for disaster

    But "the data in August was better than expected"
    Stop being so miserable! The last GDP data was better than expected and the next one is likely to be better than expected . The UK is not Greece or Argentina .
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,548
    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Those reading PB should already know this. £60bn per year in extra spending, £40bn per year in extra borrowing has a few potential outcomes, one of which is an IMF programme to cut spending in return for staving off an external default, the other is a new QE programme and rampant inflation, impoverishing people who work. Both are existential for Labour.

    An IMF programme will be the end of the Labour party and a QE programme which leads to more prolonged inflation will be the slow death.
    Such an IMF programme could well unite the left behind Corbyn and even see him become PM on a tax the rich to fund public spending platform.

    Sounds good.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,705
    nico67 said:

    MaxPB said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    What makes you think that economic growth will come in better than expected?
    Several factors , including an increase in business optimism especially in the service sector which is 80% of UK GDP . Manufacturing continues to be a drag though but it’s a small part of the economy .

    Services PMI climbed to 53.6 above expectations of 51.8 .
    You forget that we only outperform market expectations and revise up GDP when the Tories are in power, when Labour are in power these are gross overestimates. Such is PB wisdom.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,536
    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
    It might increase the birth rate as men look at their blocked porn site then at their wife and after a few weeks of exhausting their mental wank bank they decide she’s better than nothing.
    Anyone done a "the current unpleasantness is due to the government blocking access to videos of ladies' naughty bits" think piece yet?

    You can have that one for free.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,448
    HYUFD said:

    Rayner is clearly trying to reduce the chances of Khan or Burnham emerging as rivals to her succeeding Starmer by ensuring neither can stand as an MP while they are Mayors

    Burnham is already blocked, isn't he? Aiui it is only London Mayors who can be MPs. More interesting is the effect on the Conservative succession, as it blocks the Boris route that some say Cleverly and even Jenrick were considering.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,596
    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    Is the government intending on spending loads more money to achieve a bit of growth?
    The data so far in August was better than expected . There’s been a strong recovery since April .
    Inflation is surging, unemployment is rising, growth is close to zero, the government is the sixth most indebted developed nation on earth

    The deficit is huge and growing, public spending is outwith control, the pensions bill is crippling, we have millions of working age people on benefits, the tax burden is the heaviest in seventy years, councils are sliding into bankruptcy, real wages have barely risen in two decades, business investment is stagnant, productivity is among the worst in the OECD, foreign capital and private wealth is fleeing to safer, more dynamic economies, destroying our tax base, even as borrowing costs are through the roof: 30-year gilt yields have surged past 5.6 %, the highest since 1998, and 10-year yields are hovering at an eye watering, crisis-signalling 4.7 %, so that every pound we borrow moves us closer to the cliff edge marked "Greece or Argentina?". Meanwhile our Chancellor literally weeps in parliament because she knows she cannot do the job and we are headed for disaster

    But "the data in August was better than expected"
    Stop being so miserable! The last GDP data was better than expected and the next one is likely to be better than expected . The UK is not Greece or Argentina .
    Yet
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,528
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace


    Julian Jessop
    @julianHjessop

    If you want a little more optimism, here are four things that might at least delay a fiscal meltdown... 🧵

    https://x.com/julianHjessop/status/1959577561538687466
    For those of us who have resisted the siren lure of X what are the other 3?
    There'll be a rate cut in November; US rates are coming down; QT will be wound down; NIESR black hole forecast is over the top; consumers feeling happier; labour markets far from meltdown.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,438

    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
    It might increase the birth rate as men look at their blocked porn site then at their wife and after a few weeks of exhausting their mental wank bank they decide she’s better than nothing.
    Anyone done a "the current unpleasantness is due to the government blocking access to videos of ladies' naughty bits" think piece yet?

    You can have that one for free.
    Can you expand your theory to 1000 words and send it to TSE?

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,718

    malcolmg said:

    Paddy O'Connell talking to Lords Dubs.

    'You're situation with the kinder transport was obviously different from the small boat chancers.'

    Wanker.

    I have always wondered why this incompetent nincompoop keeps being promoted on Radio 4, Radio 2 and BBC News, now I know. He understands how to load a question to the direction Tim Davie would most likely approve.

    I don't want boat people rocking up to Great Yarmouth anymore than Rupert Lowe does. However, was the suffix "chancers" absolutely necessary unless a specific and political point was being made?
    He could just have said illegal law breaking economic immigrants
    Like Rupert Lowe found them arriving on the beaches at Great Yarmouth and repelled them successfully, have you got a Home Guard scrambled to fight them off the beaches at Troon and Largs?
    Mexicanpete - soft on illegal immigration, soft on the causes of illegal immigration :lol:
    Not at all. On a nightly basis, like Rupert in Great Yarmouth I patrol the beaches of Southerdown and Ognore by Sea to repel the boat people. I've already dragged fifty youngsters back into the Bristol Channel and sent them from whence they came. Presumably France.
    Whence means 'from where'
    What strange poster gave you a like for this post?
    "From where" sounds fine
    "Whence" sounds a little more erudite
    "From whence" sounds like an ignorant attempt at erudition

    Just a handy hint for you
    Every day is a school day on PB. On some days the teacher is mistaken.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,438
    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
    It might increase the birth rate as men look at their blocked porn site then at their wife and after a few weeks of exhausting their mental wank bank they decide she’s better than nothing.
    Do we want those wankers producing offspring? I thought we were trying to improve the gene pool.
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 2,036
    Taz said:

    Star Trek reference. 👍

    What's not to like about General Order 12?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,712
    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Those reading PB should already know this. £60bn per year in extra spending, £40bn per year in extra borrowing has a few potential outcomes, one of which is an IMF programme to cut spending in return for staving off an external default, the other is a new QE programme and rampant inflation, impoverishing people who work. Both are existential for Labour.

    An IMF programme will be the end of the Labour party and a QE programme which leads to more prolonged inflation will be the slow death.
    Such an IMF programme could well unite the left behind Corbyn and even see him become PM on a tax the rich to fund public spending platform.

    What rich? Will the last millionaire please remember to turn off the jacuzzi.

    There'd have to be an overnight sitting to get the legislation through to lock capital in-country.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,596

    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
    It might increase the birth rate as men look at their blocked porn site then at their wife and after a few weeks of exhausting their mental wank bank they decide she’s better than nothing.
    Anyone done a "the current unpleasantness is due to the government blocking access to videos of ladies' naughty bits" think piece yet?

    You can have that one for free.
    The Guardian has tried to blame the sexual assaults and rapes committed by asylum seekers on the menacing locals gathered around the asylum seeker hotels, because obviously somehow they make you go out and rape women

    I am not joking

    "An asylum seeker from the hotel was accused of sexually assaulting a 14-year-old girl and concerns were raised about potential future threats. Since then, the hotel has become a site of protest, with large groups gathering with flares, flags and signs. Extrapolating from an assault accusation that all asylum seekers pose a danger is racist.... If your accommodation is regularly surrounded by a small, hostile mob that sometimes wants to set fire to it, it’s probably quite difficult to slot into a normal, law-abiding life, or even know what a law-abiding life looks like, in this country you escaped to, having heard it was civilised."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/20/far-right-anger-asylum-hotels-destroying-refuge

    I've snipped for brevity, not to mislead. That really is Zoe Williams' argument

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,637
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
    It might increase the birth rate as men look at their blocked porn site then at their wife and after a few weeks of exhausting their mental wank bank they decide she’s better than nothing.
    I'm a prepper. Over the last ten years I've hoarded about a thousand photos and videos of my last 20 girlfriends....
    Don't forget the stockpile of tissues 😀

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,712
    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    Is the government intending on spending loads more money to achieve a bit of growth?
    The data so far in August was better than expected . There’s been a strong recovery since April .
    Inflation is surging, unemployment is rising, growth is close to zero, the government is the sixth most indebted developed nation on earth

    The deficit is huge and growing, public spending is outwith control, the pensions bill is crippling, we have millions of working age people on benefits, the tax burden is the heaviest in seventy years, councils are sliding into bankruptcy, real wages have barely risen in two decades, business investment is stagnant, productivity is among the worst in the OECD, foreign capital and private wealth is fleeing to safer, more dynamic economies, destroying our tax base, even as borrowing costs are through the roof: 30-year gilt yields have surged past 5.6 %, the highest since 1998, and 10-year yields are hovering at an eye watering, crisis-signalling 4.7 %, so that every pound we borrow moves us closer to the cliff edge marked "Greece or Argentina?". Meanwhile our Chancellor literally weeps in parliament because she knows she cannot do the job and we are headed for disaster

    But "the data in August was better than expected"
    Stop being so miserable! The last GDP data was better than expected and the next one is likely to be better than expected . The UK is not Greece or Argentina .
    Yet
    That's the spirit!

    Singing "T-H-I-N-G-S can only get battered...."
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,438

    HYUFD said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Those reading PB should already know this. £60bn per year in extra spending, £40bn per year in extra borrowing has a few potential outcomes, one of which is an IMF programme to cut spending in return for staving off an external default, the other is a new QE programme and rampant inflation, impoverishing people who work. Both are existential for Labour.

    An IMF programme will be the end of the Labour party and a QE programme which leads to more prolonged inflation will be the slow death.
    Such an IMF programme could well unite the left behind Corbyn and even see him become PM on a tax the rich to fund public spending platform.

    What rich? Will the last millionaire please remember to turn off the jacuzzi.

    There'd have to be an overnight sitting to get the legislation through to lock capital in-country.
    I have a vision of millionaires escaping to France in small boats.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,596
    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
    It might increase the birth rate as men look at their blocked porn site then at their wife and after a few weeks of exhausting their mental wank bank they decide she’s better than nothing.
    I'm a prepper. Over the last ten years I've hoarded about a thousand photos and videos of my last 20 girlfriends....
    Don't forget the stockpile of tissues 😀

    A friend of mine wanks directly into the fliptop bin in his kitchen, to save on tissues and help the climate

    True story
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,395
    Imagine having a home computer in 1967:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Ka42eyudA
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,770

    HYUFD said:

    Rayner is clearly trying to reduce the chances of Khan or Burnham emerging as rivals to her succeeding Starmer by ensuring neither can stand as an MP while they are Mayors

    Burnham is already blocked, isn't he? Aiui it is only London Mayors who can be MPs. More interesting is the effect on the Conservative succession, as it blocks the Boris route that some say Cleverly and even Jenrick were considering.
    Boris only became an MP again after seven years as Mayor which would be too long a timeframe for Jenrick. Cleverly I think wants to do the London Mayor job on its own terms, he has no pressing desire to try and be Tory leader again and Stride as Shadow Chancellor is now the more likely next candidate from his wing
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,718

    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
    It might increase the birth rate as men look at their blocked porn site then at their wife and after a few weeks of exhausting their mental wank bank they decide she’s better than nothing.
    Anyone done a "the current unpleasantness is due to the government blocking access to videos of ladies' naughty bits" think piece yet?

    You can have that one for free.
    You might be onto something there. Anti asylum seeker rioters are so minded to riot because the availability of pornography has been curtailed? Wankers!
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,438
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
    It might increase the birth rate as men look at their blocked porn site then at their wife and after a few weeks of exhausting their mental wank bank they decide she’s better than nothing.
    I'm a prepper. Over the last ten years I've hoarded about a thousand photos and videos of my last 20 girlfriends....
    Don't forget the stockpile of tissues 😀

    A friend of mine wanks directly into the fliptop bin in his kitchen, to save on tissues and help the climate

    True story
    Has he ever had the lid suddenly shutting on his old man?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,214

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace


    Julian Jessop
    @julianHjessop

    If you want a little more optimism, here are four things that might at least delay a fiscal meltdown... 🧵

    https://x.com/julianHjessop/status/1959577561538687466
    For those of us who have resisted the siren lure of X what are the other 3?
    There'll be a rate cut in November; US rates are coming down; QT will be wound down; NIESR black hole forecast is over the top; consumers feeling happier; labour markets far from meltdown.
    Hmmm

    1. No there won't, at least not in the UK. By then inflation will have topped 4% and any further cut returns us to negative interest rates.

    2. Probably, but at the cost of Trump destroying the independence of the Fed to the extent that there will be a premium on US bonds.

    3. Maybe. See (1).

    4. Wait until we see what buying peace with the doctors and other public sector workers costs this year.

    5. Are we? And will we after a budget that is going to significantly increase taxes again?

    6. True, but unemployment is increasing and will continue to do so.

    The underlying assumption still seems to be that things can go on as they are indefinitely. I do not share it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,109
    "A former contestant on The Apprentice has abandoned her Luton residence after receiving death threats for her public criticism of extremism within British Muslim Pakistani communities.

    Lubna Zaidi, who identifies as a British Muslim of Pakistani heritage, established a YouTube channel to discuss controversial topics including grooming gangs, honour killings and misogyny within her community."

    https://www.gbnews.com/news/apprentice-star-flee-home-speaking-out-muslim-lubna-zaidi
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,637

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
    It might increase the birth rate as men look at their blocked porn site then at their wife and after a few weeks of exhausting their mental wank bank they decide she’s better than nothing.
    I'm a prepper. Over the last ten years I've hoarded about a thousand photos and videos of my last 20 girlfriends....
    Don't forget the stockpile of tissues 😀

    A friend of mine wanks directly into the fliptop bin in his kitchen, to save on tissues and help the climate

    True story
    Has he ever had the lid suddenly shutting on his old man?
    Or, if his father is not present, his penis 😀
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,596

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
    It might increase the birth rate as men look at their blocked porn site then at their wife and after a few weeks of exhausting their mental wank bank they decide she’s better than nothing.
    I'm a prepper. Over the last ten years I've hoarded about a thousand photos and videos of my last 20 girlfriends....
    Don't forget the stockpile of tissues 😀

    A friend of mine wanks directly into the fliptop bin in his kitchen, to save on tissuesI and help the climate

    True story
    Has he ever had the lid suddenly shutting on his old man?
    Not sure, I'll have to ask, I'm going to contact him now when he's having Sunday lunch with the family, do a WhatsApp video call

    However before I do that, I can say he is relatively robust in the penile area, because for years he's used an electric toothbrush to stimulate himself, as he stands over the bin, so maybe minor injuries do not bother him

    He's quite senior in local politics in east Kent, I'll try and find a photo of him and put it up here. And on TwitterX

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,703
    "Inside the country that KILLS illegal immigrants"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Q5DJTDyoQ
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,214
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
    It might increase the birth rate as men look at their blocked porn site then at their wife and after a few weeks of exhausting their mental wank bank they decide she’s better than nothing.
    I'm a prepper. Over the last ten years I've hoarded about a thousand photos and videos of my last 20 girlfriends....
    Don't forget the stockpile of tissues 😀

    A friend of mine wanks directly into the fliptop bin in his kitchen, to save on tissues and help the climate

    True story
    I am not sure what looking into a bin says about his choice of girlfriends but whatever.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,718

    "Angela Rayner adds to property empire with £850k holiday home"

    From the Telegraph is pretty stupid

    A house in Manchester is not a property empire

    Its pure clickbait.
    From the Telegraph? Oh behave!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,703
    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
    It might increase the birth rate as men look at their blocked porn site then at their wife and after a few weeks of exhausting their mental wank bank they decide she’s better than nothing.
    I'm a prepper. Over the last ten years I've hoarded about a thousand photos and videos of my last 20 girlfriends....
    Don't forget the stockpile of tissues 😀

    RAIL Magazine
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,596
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
    It might increase the birth rate as men look at their blocked porn site then at their wife and after a few weeks of exhausting their mental wank bank they decide she’s better than nothing.
    I'm a prepper. Over the last ten years I've hoarded about a thousand photos and videos of my last 20 girlfriends....
    Don't forget the stockpile of tissues 😀

    A friend of mine wanks directly into the fliptop bin in his kitchen, to save on tissues and help the climate

    True story
    I am not sure what looking into a bin says about his choice of girlfriends but whatever.
    He does it to save the environment!

    I can't believe the negativity on here. Don't you care about the climate crisis??
  • eekeek Posts: 31,040
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
    It might increase the birth rate as men look at their blocked porn site then at their wife and after a few weeks of exhausting their mental wank bank they decide she’s better than nothing.
    I'm a prepper. Over the last ten years I've hoarded about a thousand photos and videos of my last 20 girlfriends....
    Don't forget the stockpile of tissues 😀

    A friend of mine wanks directly into the fliptop bin in his kitchen, to save on tissues and help the climate

    True story
    A "friend"?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,703

    Taz said:

    Star Trek reference. 👍

    What's not to like about General Order 12?
    "Humour. It is a difficult concept. It is not logical."
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,984
    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
    It might increase the birth rate as men look at their blocked porn site then at their wife and after a few weeks of exhausting their mental wank bank they decide she’s better than nothing.
    I'm a prepper. Over the last ten years I've hoarded about a thousand photos and videos of my last 20 girlfriends. Along with my tins of cassoulet, I could last for years
    You want to be careful with those cassoulet tins, can leave some nasty sharp bits when you remove the lid and you don’t want a cut down there that requires stitches.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,596
    Andy_JS said:

    "A former contestant on The Apprentice has abandoned her Luton residence after receiving death threats for her public criticism of extremism within British Muslim Pakistani communities.

    Lubna Zaidi, who identifies as a British Muslim of Pakistani heritage, established a YouTube channel to discuss controversial topics including grooming gangs, honour killings and misogyny within her community."

    https://www.gbnews.com/news/apprentice-star-flee-home-speaking-out-muslim-lubna-zaidi

    Jesus. Paging David Betz or what

    That story is depressing and ominous on so many levels
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,034
    Bobby J on the judges are bent again,

    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1959523615147245692

    Seems rather dangerous for politicians to be doing this.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,984
    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
    It might increase the birth rate as men look at their blocked porn site then at their wife and after a few weeks of exhausting their mental wank bank they decide she’s better than nothing.
    I'm a prepper. Over the last ten years I've hoarded about a thousand photos and videos of my last 20 girlfriends....
    Don't forget the stockpile of tissues 😀

    A friend of mine wanks directly into the fliptop bin in his kitchen, to save on tissues and help the climate

    True story
    Ted Rogers never could move on from that relationship.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,958
    edited August 24

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace


    Julian Jessop
    @julianHjessop

    If you want a little more optimism, here are four things that might at least delay a fiscal meltdown... 🧵

    https://x.com/julianHjessop/status/1959577561538687466
    For those of us who have resisted the siren lure of X what are the other 3?
    There'll be a rate cut in November; US rates are coming down; QT will be wound down; NIESR black hole forecast is over the top; consumers feeling happier; labour markets far from meltdown.
    And private balance sheets are healthy. There have never been so many comfortably off people in the UK as there are now. The problem is the millions who aren't and are locked out of any chance of changing that. It saddens me that closing this gap is a lesser priority for people than creating a hostile environment for migrants and asylum seekers.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,438

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
    It might increase the birth rate as men look at their blocked porn site then at their wife and after a few weeks of exhausting their mental wank bank they decide she’s better than nothing.
    I'm a prepper. Over the last ten years I've hoarded about a thousand photos and videos of my last 20 girlfriends....
    Don't forget the stockpile of tissues 😀

    RAIL Magazine
    Not over a Class 37, though. You’ll upset half of PB.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,637
    edited August 24
    boulay said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
    It might increase the birth rate as men look at their blocked porn site then at their wife and after a few weeks of exhausting their mental wank bank they decide she’s better than nothing.
    I'm a prepper. Over the last ten years I've hoarded about a thousand photos and videos of my last 20 girlfriends....
    Don't forget the stockpile of tissues 😀

    A friend of mine wanks directly into the fliptop bin in his kitchen, to save on tissues and help the climate

    True story
    Ted Rogers never could move on from that relationship.
    Where do you think he got the hand-gesture from?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,084

    Bobby J on the judges are bent again,

    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1959523615147245692

    Seems rather dangerous for politicians to be doing this.

    It is where the money is. Lapped up by the media, social and traditional.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,718
    eek said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    boulay said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    The effect of the OSA on reducing a chap's access to porn is having all sorts of surprising consequences.
    It might increase the birth rate as men look at their blocked porn site then at their wife and after a few weeks of exhausting their mental wank bank they decide she’s better than nothing.
    I'm a prepper. Over the last ten years I've hoarded about a thousand photos and videos of my last 20 girlfriends....
    Don't forget the stockpile of tissues 😀

    A friend of mine wanks directly into the fliptop bin in his kitchen, to save on tissues and help the climate

    True story
    A "friend"?
    As in "asking, for a friend". Urgh!
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,892
    If we’re the 6th most indebted developed nation and have the 4th or 5th largest developed nation GDP, that presumably means our indebtedness is consistent with other developed countries.

    The most indebted developed country in absolute terms is the USA, by far.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,332
    edited August 24
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace


    Julian Jessop
    @julianHjessop

    If you want a little more optimism, here are four things that might at least delay a fiscal meltdown... 🧵

    https://x.com/julianHjessop/status/1959577561538687466
    For those of us who have resisted the siren lure of X what are the other 3?
    There'll be a rate cut in November; US rates are coming down; QT will be wound down; NIESR black hole forecast is over the top; consumers feeling happier; labour markets far from meltdown.
    Hmmm

    1. No there won't, at least not in the UK. By then inflation will have topped 4% and any further cut returns us to negative interest rates.

    2. Probably, but at the cost of Trump destroying the independence of the Fed to the extent that there will be a premium on US bonds.

    3. Maybe. See (1).

    4. Wait until we see what buying peace with the doctors and other public sector workers costs this year.

    5. Are we? And will we after a budget that is going to significantly increase taxes again?

    6. True, but unemployment is increasing and will continue to do so.

    The underlying assumption still seems to be that things can go on as they are indefinitely. I do not share it.
    Agree. He mentions the cost of borrowing (falling but still high), but in the longer run its the amount of borrowing that hits you. And the interest payments are already crippling, so that adding to it, even at a slower rate, doesn't really help. And he doesn't deal with the fact that 30 year gilt yields are so much higher than elsewhere. Which says that the market doesn't agree with his optimism.

    Plus there will be a black swan coming along soon. Not the coming sovereign debt crisis, that's a white swan along with a Reform government and Trumpism; we await an unknown unknown. We haven't had one for about four years.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,892
    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace


    Julian Jessop
    @julianHjessop

    If you want a little more optimism, here are four things that might at least delay a fiscal meltdown... 🧵

    https://x.com/julianHjessop/status/1959577561538687466
    For those of us who have resisted the siren lure of X what are the other 3?
    There'll be a rate cut in November; US rates are coming down; QT will be wound down; NIESR black hole forecast is over the top; consumers feeling happier; labour markets far from meltdown.
    And private balance sheets are healthy. There have never been so many comfortably off people in the UK as there are now. The problem is the millions who aren't and are locked out of any chance of changing that. It saddens me that closing this gap is a lesser priority for people than creating a hostile environment for migrants and asylum seekers.
    Private balance sheets are too healthy, especially corporate ones. We need companies, and asset rich pensioners, spending again.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,034
    edited August 24
    TimS said:

    If we’re the 6th most indebted developed nation and have the 4th or 5th largest developed nation GDP, that presumably means our indebtedness is consistent with other developed countries.

    The most indebted developed country in absolute terms is the USA, by far.

    That has an element of thinking of before the fall of the Roman Empire or 2007.....

    I am sure the Telegraph article is overblown, but the UK is now paying an insane amount of tax revenue on just servicing the debt (which Rachel from Accounts has set us on a course to be even further expanded) and we haven't had the sort of growth required to keep up with an aging and expanding population for 20+ years. And there is still absolutely no sign the UK has a solution to this problem. And hence why as soon as government increase taxes, we need to increase them again.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,084
    TimS said:

    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace


    Julian Jessop
    @julianHjessop

    If you want a little more optimism, here are four things that might at least delay a fiscal meltdown... 🧵

    https://x.com/julianHjessop/status/1959577561538687466
    For those of us who have resisted the siren lure of X what are the other 3?
    There'll be a rate cut in November; US rates are coming down; QT will be wound down; NIESR black hole forecast is over the top; consumers feeling happier; labour markets far from meltdown.
    And private balance sheets are healthy. There have never been so many comfortably off people in the UK as there are now. The problem is the millions who aren't and are locked out of any chance of changing that. It saddens me that closing this gap is a lesser priority for people than creating a hostile environment for migrants and asylum seekers.
    Private balance sheets are too healthy, especially corporate ones. We need companies, and asset rich pensioners, spending again.
    Asset rich pensioners aren't going to spend the big surplusses they have accumulated. It has to be taxed more and given to poorer pensioners or workets who would spend it.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,448
    Rory on TRiP breaks down Russia's generous wages for soldiers. (50 seconds video)
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hMQOsdtd854
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,594
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    Meanwhile, in "flag fans flagging" news, here's a Reform run council acknowledging reality;

    Although we appreciate people showing their patriotism, we cannot condone painting highways assets in this way," councillor Peter Mason, cabinet member for highways, said.

    "This presents a safety and insurance issue and will have to be removed at the expense of the taxpayer."

    He encouraged residents to "show their love for their country" in other ways such as flying a flag "in a safe way".

    The Reform UK-led authority confirmed it was looking to remove the painting on the crossing as soon as possible.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crr2p9zpg7do.amp

    This bit of trivia is nonetheless a straw in the wind, as well as being dryly amusing. Multiply this by a few trillion and we have the dilemmas and compromises Reform in government will be grappling with as their former supporters throw decaying badger corpses at their spokespersons.

    Even on this triviality they reach for health and safety and weasel words about how marvellous it is to use the flag in any way apart from those a bureaucracy finds inconvenient.

    "Cannot condone". Lovely. There is a good deal of innocent entertainment on the way.
    You are absolutely terrified of the prospect of a Reform government
    A rational response, since it would likely be worse than all the shitty governments which preceded it.
    And yet another one you would have voted for.
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