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  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,252
    Taz said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Taz said:

    Unlike the sensitive souls here I’m not fussed by English or British flags, but this needs calling out as being unacceptable and criminal damage.

    https://x.com/dawnsl44/status/1959201023219642755?s=61

    I sometimes worry that A Clockwork Orange is coming true and those lads will be police soon.
    Warren Clarke died penniless after lots of bad investments.

    The scene where they try to drown McDowells character, just seemed to go on and on and on.
    The last thing I remember seeing Clarke in was Red Riding (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Riding). And he was still a cracking performer. (Quite a bleak series mind you - beautiful, and disturbing).
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,654

    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    “If the UK were subject to an IMF programme, the spending cuts imposed as a condition would be some £100bn-£150bn, perhaps more. That puts a bit of context on the government's recent failed attempts to cut spending by £3bn.”

    https://x.com/andrew_lilico/status/1959535501750276468?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    This follows a pretty heavyweight Telegraph report - citing senior economists, ex BoE bigwigs - that the UK is headed for IMF bailout territory

    Brace

    Scaremongering nonsense . Especially as economic growth is likely to be better than expected over the next few months which means Reeves will have less money to find .
    Is the government intending on spending loads more money to achieve a bit of growth?
    The data so far in August was better than expected . There’s been a strong recovery since April .
    Inflation is surging, unemployment is rising, growth is close to zero, the government is the sixth most indebted developed nation on earth

    The deficit is huge and growing, public spending is outwith control, the pensions bill is crippling, we have millions of working age people on benefits, the tax burden is the heaviest in seventy years, councils are sliding into bankruptcy, real wages have barely risen in two decades, business investment is stagnant, productivity is among the worst in the OECD, foreign capital and private wealth is fleeing to safer, more dynamic economies, destroying our tax base, even as borrowing costs are through the roof: 30-year gilt yields have surged past 5.6 %, the highest since 1998, and 10-year yields are hovering at an eye watering, crisis-signalling 4.7 %, so that every pound we borrow moves us closer to the cliff edge marked "Greece or Argentina?". Meanwhile our Chancellor literally weeps in parliament because she knows she cannot do the job and we are headed for disaster

    But "the data in August was better than expected"
    Stop being so miserable! The last GDP data was better than expected and the next one is likely to be better than expected . The UK is not Greece or Argentina .
    heading there ever faster though
    I wish we were Argentina. They just had greater GDP growth than China.
    Growth from a low base isn't necessarily where you want to live. And inflation is around 20%!
    Argentina had inflation of 266% a year ago so are actually getting it under control.

    They are, yes. Good for them. Still don't think it's the most attractive place to live in the world, economically speaking.
    Well clearly it isn’t but it’s an improving picture and they smashed the all blacks yesterday too, Vamos Pumas.
  • nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    We fly the great bustard in Wiltshire


  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,844

    Apologies if Leon has already posted this.

    Man arrested after Muslim woman and her child were 'racially abused' by people painting flags on buildings

    https://x.com/DailyMail/status/1959663032981729707

    Can we bring back the stocks.? I have a strong desire to pelt the perpetrators of the above with expired comestibles. While wearing a tricorn hat.

    Perhaps this is a resurgence of my innate Britishness?
    I have a more appropriate punishment, get them to write a 1,000 word report on St George, particularly his origins and the number of times he visited the UK, and how he stole the job of a native born Brit, bring back St Edmund.
    St George, big following in Palestine: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27048219
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,895

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,654

    sarissa said:

    I just started rewatching The Americans

    The first episode is superb, and Tusk by Fleetwood Mac is such a good track to open it

    Brilliant as it is, I’m not sure I could commit to rewatching 75 episodes. I’d be tempted to cherry pick the best and let my memory fill in the rest.

    Just finished both series of Blue Lights though, as that was two-weekend bingeable.
    I can watch loads of shit as an invalid
    How’s the recuperation coming on ?
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,106
    Leon said:

    I have just written an entire article about how Britain is Doomed, in 40 minutes

    We may be doomed, but - kerching - some of us are getting paid for it

    Wrong again. It is 2 hours since that post and we are still here. 40 min pah.

    Oh I see you wrote it in 40 min.

    PS Saw my first flags today on a roundabout in Bracknell. Bracknell - it says it all.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,654
    ohnotnow said:

    Taz said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Taz said:

    Unlike the sensitive souls here I’m not fussed by English or British flags, but this needs calling out as being unacceptable and criminal damage.

    https://x.com/dawnsl44/status/1959201023219642755?s=61

    I sometimes worry that A Clockwork Orange is coming true and those lads will be police soon.
    Warren Clarke died penniless after lots of bad investments.

    The scene where they try to drown McDowells character, just seemed to go on and on and on.
    The last thing I remember seeing Clarke in was Red Riding (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Riding). And he was still a cracking performer. (Quite a bleak series mind you - beautiful, and disturbing).
    I watched all three recently on Netflix. One of the bleakest things I’ve ever seen.

    I’m currently watching all of Dalziel and Pascoe. He’s good in that too.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,699

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    We fly the great bustard in Wiltshire


    Wiltshiremen, they're all Bustards!
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,654

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    We fly the great bustard in Wiltshire


    That’s possibly worse than the Northumberland flag and that’s a pretty low bar. Durham flag is cool.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,067
    edited August 24
    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    We fly the great bustard in Wiltshire


    That’s possibly worse than the Northumberland flag and that’s a pretty low bar. Durham flag is cool.
    The Northumberland flag is from the Percy coat of arms so legit. I actually saw a Hampshire flag driving through Farnborough this morning .
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,619
    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    We fly the great bustard in Wiltshire


    That’s possibly worse than the Northumberland flag and that’s a pretty low bar. Durham flag is cool.
    Northumberland is great. It's a bit alien so it gives you the sense it's quite distinct from the rest of England.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,405

    kinabalu said:

    Apologies if Leon has already posted this.

    Man arrested after Muslim woman and her child were 'racially abused' by people painting flags on buildings

    https://x.com/DailyMail/status/1959663032981729707

    Most of these 'flaggers' seem to be absolute roasters. If that makes me a stereotyper, so be it.
    I have the cross of St George cufflinks, I think it might blow the minds of the flaggers.
    So you celebrate the fictional actions of a fictional knight who killed fictional endangered wildlife without a license, no safety case, no hi-viz, no statements completed on the effect of his actions on the environment, equality or community relations?
    Licence.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,699
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Why do you find the English flag so offensive?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,057
    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    We fly the great bustard in Wiltshire


    That’s possibly worse than the Northumberland flag and that’s a pretty low bar. Durham flag is cool.
    Northumberland is great. It's a bit alien so it gives you the sense it's quite distinct from the rest of England.
    You mean the rest of England is quite distinct from it ...
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,654
    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    We fly the great bustard in Wiltshire


    That’s possibly worse than the Northumberland flag and that’s a pretty low bar. Durham flag is cool.
    Northumberland is great. It's a bit alien so it gives you the sense it's quite distinct from the rest of England.
    I’m critiquing the flag not the county. Sorry if that’s confusing,
  • Hardly any pain now, and about ten more days until I should be able to start weight bearing on my ankle

    Then hopefully just a couple of weeks of gently increasing exercise until I can get back to work

    I was sure I was replying to @Taz with this..
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,699
    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    We fly the great bustard in Wiltshire


    That’s possibly worse than the Northumberland flag and that’s a pretty low bar. Durham flag is cool.
    Northumberland is great. It's a bit alien so it gives you the sense it's quite distinct from the rest of England.
    There was a time when the ancient kingdom of Northumbria included Dumfries & Galloway, The Borders, Edinburgh and all the Lothians, and the Bo'ness and Blackness part of what is today the Falkirk region.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,669

    The Government would save about £40bn (year one) if the Bank of England stopped paying commercial banks interest on their QE holdings. It's absolutely loony for a central bank to give banks a load of money and than pay them interest on it.

    The 'argument' I've heard for not stopping this muppetry is that it 'smacks of default' and would spook investors.

    But as long as the spend is not reassigned, I think it would actually be seen as a responsible and serious move. The Government would effectively not be borrowing that £40bn.

    The commercial banks give the BoE assets in return. It’s not “free money” for the banks but is designed to ensure liquidity in the system
    Well, if it's not free money, and is given in exchange for assets, there should be no objection to it stopping, and those assets being retained, should there?
    The interest is paid because it is owed.

    The bank can stop the programme if it doesn’t need to support liquidity in the banking system
    So that's a change of story from it being 'in exchange for assets' then isn't it?

    It is not owed, because no other central bank pays interests on its own QE the way ours does.
    I think you are confused. There are multiple different programmes:

    1. One in which the commercial banks buy bonds from the Bank of England. In return they give the Bank of England assets. This is designed to promote liquidity (the assets transferred by the commercial banks are real assets but are illiquid). But the assets exist and interest should be paid on the bonds that are used to pay for them

    2. One in which the Treasury creates new bonds and sells them to the market for cash (this is the normal debt management process). Once again they are real debt and interest should be paid on them.

    What you are getting muddled up with is wheee the Bank of England buys bonds direct from the Treasury. This is basically printing money. It’s meaningless whether interest is paid these bonds or not - any profits the bank makes are just returned to the Treasury.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,057
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    John Harris of the Graun (who wrote some thoughtful stuff pre Brexit, for instance) has been considering the flags.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/24/flag-hard-right-prejudice-england
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,895

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Why do you find the English flag so offensive?
    I don’t find it offensive , it’s a nice flag . The problem is those who have hijacked it .
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,708

    Raise the colours


    Still available as a "premium" import in the US...

    https://www.gotoliquorstore.com/p/tennents-lager/20983
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,654
    Scott_xP said:

    Raise the colours


    Still available as a "premium" import in the US...

    https://www.gotoliquorstore.com/p/tennents-lager/20983
    No Madri

    The US is a nation of barbarians.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,810
    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    We fly the great bustard in Wiltshire


    That’s possibly worse than the Northumberland flag and that’s a pretty low bar. Durham flag is cool.
    Northumberland is great. It's a bit alien so it gives you the sense it's quite distinct from the rest of England.
    I’m critiquing the flag not the county. Sorry if that’s confusing,
    The flag is great.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,105
    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Only 24% of Brits sit at a table and make conversation while eating. Two-thirds stare at screens.

    -new survey, reported in The Times tonight
    7:15 PM · Aug 24, 2025"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1959680932908024104
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,708
    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Only 24% of Brits sit at a table and make conversation while eating. Two-thirds stare at screens.

    -new survey, reported in The Times tonight
    7:15 PM · Aug 24, 2025"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1959680932908024104

    Well, if the choice is staring at a screen or talking to Matt Goodwin...
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,974

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    We fly the great bustard in Wiltshire


    I’d give that 100 likes if I could (I’m Wiltshire through and through, as far back as matters). The green grass and the white chalk, and the magnificent (Russian) bustard ruling over all…
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,846
    Uh oh, early days but the King & Conqueror thing is a bit gash.

    ‘Harold, get your head out of your arse!’
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,105
    edited August 24
    "Welfare state is not sustainable, says German chancellor

    Friedrich Merz calls for fundamental reassessment of benefits system and insists he will not be scared away from making necessary reforms" (£)

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/08/24/friedrich-merz-germany-welfare-state-benefits-unsustainable
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,895
    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Only 24% of Brits sit at a table and make conversation while eating. Two-thirds stare at screens.

    -new survey, reported in The Times tonight
    7:15 PM · Aug 24, 2025"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1959680932908024104

    That’s tragic but sadly true.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,699
    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Only 24% of Brits sit at a table and make conversation while eating. Two-thirds stare at screens.

    -new survey, reported in The Times tonight
    7:15 PM · Aug 24, 2025"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1959680932908024104

    Old habits die hard - Mum always shouts at me when I read PB at the dinner table...
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,654
    Here’s a county flag quiz game when you can admire the decent county flags and also look at the Northumberland one.

    https://www.chefandbrewer.com/pubs/northumberland/black-bull/menu?type=main+menu&section=country+pub+classics
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,895

    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Only 24% of Brits sit at a table and make conversation while eating. Two-thirds stare at screens.

    -new survey, reported in The Times tonight
    7:15 PM · Aug 24, 2025"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1959680932908024104

    Old habits die hard - Mum always shouts at me when I read PB at the dinner table...
    Good on her !
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,708
    Definitive proof that Trump is not well

    He hasn't been on a golf course for 2 weeks...
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,637
    Nigelb said:

    JD's take on WWII history is ...

    JD Vance: "This is how wars ultimately get settled. If you go back to World War 2, if you go back to every major conflict in human history, they all end with some kind of negotiation."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1959620851369701496

    We all recall FDR boasting of his great relationship with Hitler.

    "Unconditional surrender" is not usually classified as a negotiation.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,490
    edited August 24
    Taz said:

    Here’s a county flag quiz game when you can admire the decent county flags and also look at the Northumberland one.

    https://www.chefandbrewer.com/pubs/northumberland/black-bull/menu?type=main+menu&section=country+pub+classics

    That appears to be the menu for the Bull at Corbridge.
    Dyvels used to be better before it flooded.
    30 years ago you could get under the counter scrumpy there.
    Now it's full of rugger buggers.

    PS. Kylie Minogue drank at the Angel when in Corbridge.
    You can't argue with that.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,566
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Again a posting that says far more about you than about those you are criticising.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,586
    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Such as ?

    JD Vance: "I think the Russians have made significant concessions."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1959618769187147922

    Is this gaslighting for willing dupes ?

    It's Twatto McPratto exhibiting the depth of his knowledge of the world.
    Vance and his boss, Trump, both have, AIUI, good American degrees.

    And we think we’ve problems with our universities.
    Most US colleges are fiercely woke and hate Trump and Vance.

    Vance is more of an intellectual than Trump though and better able to articulate his America First, anti globalisation, anti woke and socially conservative views
    Sounds as though you have some sympathy with the mendacious piece of work ?

    Do you really believe this sort of thing, from an intelligent man, is an honest assessment ?

    Q: "What makes you think President Putin is serious about peace?"

    Vance: "What they have conceded is the recognition that Ukraine will have territorial integrity after the war. They've recognized that they're not gonna be able to install a puppet regime in Kyiv. And...they've acknowledged that there is going to be some security guarantee to the territorial integrity of Ukraine...[Trump's] not trying to focus on every nitpicky detail of how this thing started 3.5 years ago."

    https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1959612172733907196


  • nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Again a posting that says far more about you than about those you are criticising.
    The flag is being hijacked by the left's characterisation of it
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,438
    Scott_xP said:

    Raise the colours


    Still available as a "premium" import in the US...

    https://www.gotoliquorstore.com/p/tennents-lager/20983
    The USA, the home of Bud Light, is the only country in the world where Tennents would be classed as a premium beer.
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 241
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    Sadly you havent cottoned on to the fact that you aren't "people".
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,586
    ohnotnow said:

    Taz said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Taz said:

    Unlike the sensitive souls here I’m not fussed by English or British flags, but this needs calling out as being unacceptable and criminal damage.

    https://x.com/dawnsl44/status/1959201023219642755?s=61

    I sometimes worry that A Clockwork Orange is coming true and those lads will be police soon.
    Warren Clarke died penniless after lots of bad investments.

    The scene where they try to drown McDowells character, just seemed to go on and on and on.
    The last thing I remember seeing Clarke in was Red Riding (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Riding). And he was still a cracking performer. (Quite a bleak series mind you - beautiful, and disturbing).
    Great (and also disturbing) series of novels.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,585

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    I have just written an entire article about how Britain is Doomed, in 40 minutes

    We may be doomed, but - kerching - some of us are getting paid for it

    If it takes you forty minutes to write, then the information and intellectual content will be near, if not precisely, zero.

    So no change then. ;)
    On a REALLY good day I can knock 'em out in 20 minutes, almost flawless

    I am the Mozart of predictable but articulate clickbait
    AKA valueless, contentless verbiage. Mozart isn't a good comparison; Eoghan Quigg is perhaps a better comparison for your writing,
    But it literally has value. I get paid by the many readers of the Flint Knappers Gazette
    A wider value.

    The biggest impact your writing has had on the world was, by your own admission, partly inspiring Anders Breivik.
    Ahahahahahahahahahahah
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,889
    edited August 24
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Why do you find the English flag so offensive?
    I don’t find it offensive , it’s a nice flag . The problem is those who have hijacked it .
    They’re attempting to hijack it, as hooligans have done for decades, but they are only successful if you let them be.

    The St George cross is a reasonable flag, more interesting than most tricolores but not as good as the Union flag, which is one of the best and most iconic designs in the world. I’m always filled with pride when I see French youth wearing fashion items with the good old British flag on them.

    But it’s the English one that will continue to be contested. I think it would look better if it were adjusted to the Nordic off-centre horizontal design. Would place us more accurately in our geo-climatic milieu.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,619
    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    We fly the great bustard in Wiltshire


    That’s possibly worse than the Northumberland flag and that’s a pretty low bar. Durham flag is cool.
    Northumberland is great. It's a bit alien so it gives you the sense it's quite distinct from the rest of England.
    I’m critiquing the flag not the county. Sorry if that’s confusing,
    I meant the flag too. Give me that over Lincolnshire anyday.

    I would like to have a 2 hour debate on Pantone 280 or Pantone 300 if anyone is up for it.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,984

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    We fly the great bustard in Wiltshire


    I’d give that 100 likes if I could (I’m Wiltshire through and through, as far back as matters). The green grass and the white chalk, and the magnificent (Russian) bustard ruling over all…
    The Kent and Essex, and Staffordshire too, flags look like proper flags you could follow into battle. Isle of Wight and South Yorkshire look like water company logos.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,654
    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    Here’s a county flag quiz game when you can admire the decent county flags and also look at the Northumberland one.

    https://www.chefandbrewer.com/pubs/northumberland/black-bull/menu?type=main+menu&section=country+pub+classics

    That appears to be the menu for the Bull at Corbridge.
    Dyvels used to be better before it flooded.
    30 years ago you could get under the counter scrumpy there.
    Now it's full of rugger buggers.

    PS. Kylie Minogue drank at the Angel when in Corbridge.
    You can't argue with that.
    Ha ha, what a twit I am.

    Got lunch there on Thursday with brother and sister in law and my wife.

    https://www.geoguessr.com/fl/2036
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,490
    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    Here’s a county flag quiz game when you can admire the decent county flags and also look at the Northumberland one.

    https://www.chefandbrewer.com/pubs/northumberland/black-bull/menu?type=main+menu&section=country+pub+classics

    That appears to be the menu for the Bull at Corbridge.
    Dyvels used to be better before it flooded.
    30 years ago you could get under the counter scrumpy there.
    Now it's full of rugger buggers.

    PS. Kylie Minogue drank at the Angel when in Corbridge.
    You can't argue with that.
    Ha ha, what a twit I am.

    Got lunch there on Thursday with brother and sister in law and my wife.

    https://www.geoguessr.com/fl/2036
    Decent food. Reasonably priced. Enjoy!!
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,895
    edited August 24
    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Why do you find the English flag so offensive?
    I don’t find it offensive , it’s a nice flag . The problem is those who have hijacked it .
    They’re attempting to hijack it, as hooligans have done for decades, but they are only successful if you let them be.

    The St George cross is a reasonable flag, more interesting than most tricolores but not as good as the Union flag, which is one of the best and most iconic designs in the world. I’m always filled with pride when I see French youth wearing fashion items with the good old British flag on them.

    But it’s the English one that will continue to be contested. I think it would look better if it were adjusted to the Nordic off-centre horizontal design. Would place us more accurately in our geo-climatic milieu.
    Maisons Du Monde used to have a lot of things in the store with the Union Jack . It’s a nice flag , shame about the National Anthem which is as dull as dishwater . It needs to be more uplifting , I love the Italian one .
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,654
    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    We fly the great bustard in Wiltshire


    That’s possibly worse than the Northumberland flag and that’s a pretty low bar. Durham flag is cool.
    Northumberland is great. It's a bit alien so it gives you the sense it's quite distinct from the rest of England.
    I’m critiquing the flag not the county. Sorry if that’s confusing,
    I meant the flag too. Give me that over Lincolnshire anyday.

    I would like to have a 2 hour debate on Pantone 280 or Pantone 300 if anyone is up for it.
    I remember when working on painted interior trim many years ago Pantone references. I would say ‘happy days’ but I hated that job and the company.

    I love Northumberland. Spend a lot of time there. It’s a stunning county full of lovely places. It also has Ashington.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,534
    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    We fly the great bustard in Wiltshire


    That’s possibly worse than the Northumberland flag and that’s a pretty low bar. Durham flag is cool.
    Northumberland is great. It's a bit alien so it gives you the sense it's quite distinct from the rest of England.
    I’m critiquing the flag not the county. Sorry if that’s confusing,
    On the other hand, it is properly historic, and it has the simplicity that proper flags ought to have. (I quite like Surrey's for the same sort of reason.) A lot of English county flags were designed in the last twenty years, and it really shows. Way too fiddly and a bit too blatant in their show-not-hint representations of their counties.

    Compare
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_flags

    with
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Spanish_flags... much more like it.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,708
    He's right

    @DPJHodges

    Say it again. Ordinary working people aren’t going to want this in their communities. And any politician aligning themselves with it is in trouble.

    @RobJeffries
    ·
    12h
    This isn’t patriotism now.

    It’s just fucking vandalism.

    https://x.com/RobJeffries/status/1959529472064942195
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,654
    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    Here’s a county flag quiz game when you can admire the decent county flags and also look at the Northumberland one.

    https://www.chefandbrewer.com/pubs/northumberland/black-bull/menu?type=main+menu&section=country+pub+classics

    That appears to be the menu for the Bull at Corbridge.
    Dyvels used to be better before it flooded.
    30 years ago you could get under the counter scrumpy there.
    Now it's full of rugger buggers.

    PS. Kylie Minogue drank at the Angel when in Corbridge.
    You can't argue with that.
    Ha ha, what a twit I am.

    Got lunch there on Thursday with brother and sister in law and my wife.

    https://www.geoguessr.com/fl/2036
    Decent food. Reasonably priced. Enjoy!!
    I quite fancy the toad in the hole and the panna cotta.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,619
    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Why do you find the English flag so offensive?
    I don’t find it offensive , it’s a nice flag . The problem is those who have hijacked it .
    They’re attempting to hijack it, as hooligans have done for decades, but they are only successful if you let them be.

    The St George cross is a reasonable flag, more interesting than most tricolores but not as good as the Union flag, which is one of the best and most iconic designs in the world. I’m always filled with pride when I see French youth wearing fashion items with the good old British flag on them.

    But it’s the English one that will continue to be contested. I think it would look better if it were adjusted to the Nordic off-centre horizontal design. Would place us more accurately in our geo-climatic milieu.
    Flying St George's cross just feels distinctly un-English to me. I thought the English were supposed to have the kind of self-confidence which means you don't need to make such gestures.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,405

    The Government would save about £40bn (year one) if the Bank of England stopped paying commercial banks interest on their QE holdings. It's absolutely loony for a central bank to give banks a load of money and than pay them interest on it.

    The 'argument' I've heard for not stopping this muppetry is that it 'smacks of default' and would spook investors.

    But as long as the spend is not reassigned, I think it would actually be seen as a responsible and serious move. The Government would effectively not be borrowing that £40bn.

    The commercial banks give the BoE assets in return. It’s not “free money” for the banks but is designed to ensure liquidity in the system
    Well, if it's not free money, and is given in exchange for assets, there should be no objection to it stopping, and those assets being retained, should there?
    The interest is paid because it is owed.

    The bank can stop the programme if it doesn’t need to support liquidity in the banking system
    So that's a change of story from it being 'in exchange for assets' then isn't it?

    It is not owed, because no other central bank pays interests on its own QE the way ours does.
    I think you are confused. There are multiple different programmes:

    1. One in which the commercial banks buy bonds from the Bank of England. In return they give the Bank of England assets. This is designed to promote liquidity (the assets transferred by the commercial banks are real assets but are illiquid). But the assets exist and interest should be paid on the bonds that are used to pay for them

    2. One in which the Treasury creates new bonds and sells them to the market for cash (this is the normal debt management process). Once again they are real debt and interest should be paid on them.

    What you are getting muddled up with is wheee the Bank of England buys bonds direct from the Treasury. This is basically printing money. It’s meaningless whether interest is paid these bonds or not - any profits the bank makes are just returned to the Treasury.
    Right, so you mistook my meaning, though it was really expressed quite clearly, gave me an irrelevant answer as a result, and it's apparently me who was confused? Ok hun.

    I was similarly 'confused' this morning when Bondygoogoo tried to tell me that almost all Pakistani asylum seekers got sent home, and it turned out 57% of them were granted asylum, but silly confused me didn't realise he was averaging out the whole of South Asia.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,566
    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Why do you find the English flag so offensive?
    I don’t find it offensive , it’s a nice flag . The problem is those who have hijacked it .
    They’re attempting to hijack it, as hooligans have done for decades, but they are only successful if you let them be.

    The St George cross is a reasonable flag, more interesting than most tricolores but not as good as the Union flag, which is one of the best and most iconic designs in the world. I’m always filled with pride when I see French youth wearing fashion items with the good old British flag on them.

    But it’s the English one that will continue to be contested. I think it would look better if it were adjusted to the Nordic off-centre horizontal design. Would place us more accurately in our geo-climatic milieu.
    Flying St George's cross just feels distinctly un-English to me. I thought the English were supposed to have the kind of self-confidence which means you don't need to make such gestures.
    Interesting. So are you claiming the Scots have an inferiority complex?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,889
    edited August 24
    York. I thought it was one of those genteel slightly Hyacinth Bouquet meets Alan Bennett Yorkshire towns like Wetherby or Harrogate. But no, from this weekend’s evidence it’s very much a city of “the people”.

    Tattier than its sibling Canterbury, most surprisingly. And humming with 21st century chain nightlife. Within a 5 minute walk of my Airbnb there’s a Slug & Lettuce, O’Neills, Yates’s wine lodge, and a Pitcher & Piano. Brands I thought had died a decade or more ago. Not to mention “Lil’s on the waterfront”, “plonkers”, “the stone roses bar”, “Valhalla” and a whole panoply of other venues, filled with the dolled up and lagered up party animals of North Yorkshire. Who’d have thought it?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,711
    edited August 24
    ...

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Again a posting that says far more about you than about those you are criticising.
    The flag is being hijacked by the left's characterisation of it
    It really isn't. The fact that the friends of Tommy Ten Names drape the flag and claim to own it demeans the national pride it should represent.

    As you know I am disgusting centrist scumbag filth, but back in the 1980s I was a big backer of buying British. If there was a British option, or a politically British option I would chose it over the foreign alternative. I wore a 4x2 Union flag under the bumper of my (Cologne made) Capri, I was backing Britain. I was that patriotic (sorry that much of a racially unaware wanker).

    Flying the flag, particularly the flag of St George means different things to different people these days, and I don't want to associate myself with people painting red crosses on mini roundabouts and harassing asylum seekers in their hotels with the flag of St George to demonstrate their targets don't belong.

    Mind you, I'd still be quite content to drive a Mini with Union flag tail lights, it tells a different story.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,585

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    Stop whining
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,067
    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    Here’s a county flag quiz game when you can admire the decent county flags and also look at the Northumberland one.

    https://www.chefandbrewer.com/pubs/northumberland/black-bull/menu?type=main+menu&section=country+pub+classics

    That appears to be the menu for the Bull at Corbridge.
    Dyvels used to be better before it flooded.
    30 years ago you could get under the counter scrumpy there.
    Now it's full of rugger buggers.

    PS. Kylie Minogue drank at the Angel when in Corbridge.
    You can't argue with that.
    Ha ha, what a twit I am.

    Got lunch there on Thursday with brother and sister in law and my wife.

    https://www.geoguessr.com/fl/2036
    Decent food. Reasonably priced. Enjoy!!
    I quite fancy the toad in the hole and the panna cotta.
    There's a great micropub in the Pele Tower in Corbridge. No food, but once you have eaten in the Bull or the Angel and fancy a couple more pints
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,768
    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Only 24% of Brits sit at a table and make conversation while eating. Two-thirds stare at screens.

    -new survey, reported in The Times tonight
    7:15 PM · Aug 24, 2025"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1959680932908024104

    Families should make time to eat at the table without screens several days a week
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,067
    TimS said:

    York. I thought it was one of those genteel slightly Hyacinth Bouquet meets Alan Bennett Yorkshire towns like Wetherby or Harrogate. But no, from this weekend’s evidence it’s very much a city of “the people”.

    Tattier than its sibling Canterbury, most surprisingly. And humming with 21st century chain nightlife. Within a 5 minute walk of my Airbnb there’s a Slug & Lettuce, O’Neills, Yates’s wine lodge, and a Pitcher & Piano. Brands I thought had died a decade or more ago. Not to mention “Lil’s on the waterfront”, “plonkers”, “the stone roses bar”, “Valhalla” and a whole panoply of other venues, filled with the dolled up and lagered up party animals of North Yorkshire. Who’d have thought it?

    York is good, lots to do daytime too. Lots of great Roman stuff in the museum.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,525
    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Why do you find the English flag so offensive?
    I don’t find it offensive , it’s a nice flag . The problem is those who have hijacked it .
    They’re attempting to hijack it, as hooligans have done for decades, but they are only successful if you let them be.

    The St George cross is a reasonable flag, more interesting than most tricolores but not as good as the Union flag, which is one of the best and most iconic designs in the world. I’m always filled with pride when I see French youth wearing fashion items with the good old British flag on them.

    But it’s the English one that will continue to be contested. I think it would look better if it were adjusted to the Nordic off-centre horizontal design. Would place us more accurately in our geo-climatic milieu.
    Flying St George's cross just feels distinctly un-English to me. I thought the English were supposed to have the kind of self-confidence which means you don't need to make such gestures.
    Even Rod Liddle wrote in this week's Fint Knapper Gazette that a country that is flying too many of its own flags all over the place is a sign of a country in trouble and short on confidence.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,654

    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    Here’s a county flag quiz game when you can admire the decent county flags and also look at the Northumberland one.

    https://www.chefandbrewer.com/pubs/northumberland/black-bull/menu?type=main+menu&section=country+pub+classics

    That appears to be the menu for the Bull at Corbridge.
    Dyvels used to be better before it flooded.
    30 years ago you could get under the counter scrumpy there.
    Now it's full of rugger buggers.

    PS. Kylie Minogue drank at the Angel when in Corbridge.
    You can't argue with that.
    Ha ha, what a twit I am.

    Got lunch there on Thursday with brother and sister in law and my wife.

    https://www.geoguessr.com/fl/2036
    Decent food. Reasonably priced. Enjoy!!
    I quite fancy the toad in the hole and the panna cotta.
    There's a great micropub in the Pele Tower in Corbridge. No food, but once you have eaten in the Bull or the Angel and fancy a couple more pints
    That’s me !!!

    Thanks.

    However usually when I’m with my wife that avenue of pleasure is removed 😂
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,889
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Only 24% of Brits sit at a table and make conversation while eating. Two-thirds stare at screens.

    -new survey, reported in The Times tonight
    7:15 PM · Aug 24, 2025"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1959680932908024104

    Families should make time to eat at the table without screens several days a week
    If people stopped staring at screens for hours on end, Goodwin would lose the very thing that gives sustenance to his career as an opinion huckster. Don’t bite the hand that feeds you Matt!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,585
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    No one gives a fuck, any more

    PB does not seem to get that
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,669

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    It’s only deemed racism because the media and commenters deem it so.

    If a racist thug hangs a cross of St George he’s a racist thug

    If a taxi driver festoons his cab with flags during the World Cup he’s a little obsessive but not a racist

    If a kid goes to a street party they are a kid going to a street party

    The use of the flag doesn’t change who any of these people are.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,889

    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Why do you find the English flag so offensive?
    I don’t find it offensive , it’s a nice flag . The problem is those who have hijacked it .
    They’re attempting to hijack it, as hooligans have done for decades, but they are only successful if you let them be.

    The St George cross is a reasonable flag, more interesting than most tricolores but not as good as the Union flag, which is one of the best and most iconic designs in the world. I’m always filled with pride when I see French youth wearing fashion items with the good old British flag on them.

    But it’s the English one that will continue to be contested. I think it would look better if it were adjusted to the Nordic off-centre horizontal design. Would place us more accurately in our geo-climatic milieu.
    Flying St George's cross just feels distinctly un-English to me. I thought the English were supposed to have the kind of self-confidence which means you don't need to make such gestures.
    Even Rod Liddle wrote in this week's Fint Knapper Gazette that a country that is flying too many of its own flags all over the place is a sign of a country in trouble and short on confidence.
    Or threatened by the Russians. I’ve never seen more St George crosses than I did during my 2 week sojourn in Georgia a couple of years ago. That, and “fuck Putin” graffiti.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,525
    Scott_xP said:

    He's right

    @DPJHodges

    Say it again. Ordinary working people aren’t going to want this in their communities. And any politician aligning themselves with it is in trouble.

    @RobJeffries
    ·
    12h
    This isn’t patriotism now.

    It’s just fucking vandalism.

    https://x.com/RobJeffries/status/1959529472064942195


    Amazing how quickly it all falls into pieces.

    #raisethecolours #shitallovertheneighbourhood.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,585

    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Why do you find the English flag so offensive?
    I don’t find it offensive , it’s a nice flag . The problem is those who have hijacked it .
    They’re attempting to hijack it, as hooligans have done for decades, but they are only successful if you let them be.

    The St George cross is a reasonable flag, more interesting than most tricolores but not as good as the Union flag, which is one of the best and most iconic designs in the world. I’m always filled with pride when I see French youth wearing fashion items with the good old British flag on them.

    But it’s the English one that will continue to be contested. I think it would look better if it were adjusted to the Nordic off-centre horizontal design. Would place us more accurately in our geo-climatic milieu.
    Flying St George's cross just feels distinctly un-English to me. I thought the English were supposed to have the kind of self-confidence which means you don't need to make such gestures.
    Even Rod Liddle wrote in this week's Fint Knapper Gazette that a country that is flying too many of its own flags all over the place is a sign of a country in trouble and short on confidence.
    Which is true

    What PB does not seem to understand is that maybe 35-40% of the country (possibly a lot more in the right context) simply do not give a fuck, any more, if you call them "racist", "gammons", "Nazis", whatever. They've heard it for fifty years, and they've been scorned for fifty years, and they've been ignored, in terms of their views on mass immigration for the same fifty years, and as a result their towns, cities and country have been transformed in a way they not only did not vote for, but expressly voted AGAINST

    The lies are now coming back to haunt the liars, and a bill is about to be presented. I prefer the German term. Die Rechnung
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,768
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    MattW said:

    Nigelb said:

    Such as ?

    JD Vance: "I think the Russians have made significant concessions."
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1959618769187147922

    Is this gaslighting for willing dupes ?

    It's Twatto McPratto exhibiting the depth of his knowledge of the world.
    Vance and his boss, Trump, both have, AIUI, good American degrees.

    And we think we’ve problems with our universities.
    Most US colleges are fiercely woke and hate Trump and Vance.

    Vance is more of an intellectual than Trump though and better able to articulate his America First, anti globalisation, anti woke and socially conservative views
    Sounds as though you have some sympathy with the mendacious piece of work ?

    Do you really believe this sort of thing, from an intelligent man, is an honest assessment ?

    Q: "What makes you think President Putin is serious about peace?"

    Vance: "What they have conceded is the recognition that Ukraine will have territorial integrity after the war. They've recognized that they're not gonna be able to install a puppet regime in Kyiv. And...they've acknowledged that there is going to be some security guarantee to the territorial integrity of Ukraine...[Trump's] not trying to focus on every nitpicky detail of how this thing started 3.5 years ago."

    https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1959612172733907196


    Whatever you think of Vance's views of prospects for peace in Ukraine, he can write as this article shows

    "How I Joined the Resistance" https://thelampmagazine.com/blog/how-i-joined-the-resistance
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,619
    edited August 24

    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Why do you find the English flag so offensive?
    I don’t find it offensive , it’s a nice flag . The problem is those who have hijacked it .
    They’re attempting to hijack it, as hooligans have done for decades, but they are only successful if you let them be.

    The St George cross is a reasonable flag, more interesting than most tricolores but not as good as the Union flag, which is one of the best and most iconic designs in the world. I’m always filled with pride when I see French youth wearing fashion items with the good old British flag on them.

    But it’s the English one that will continue to be contested. I think it would look better if it were adjusted to the Nordic off-centre horizontal design. Would place us more accurately in our geo-climatic milieu.
    Flying St George's cross just feels distinctly un-English to me. I thought the English were supposed to have the kind of self-confidence which means you don't need to make such gestures.
    Interesting. So are you claiming the Scots have an inferiority complex?
    Those flying a Saltire in their gardens? I think that's at least part of it, yes.

    The thing about the English (and I guess the UK as whole) is that they have not had a revolution and they haven't overthrown an oppressor, so they don't need to define themselves against one in the same way as the Americans, the Scottish, the Welsh, the French etc do.

    The one thing they can cling to is the Norman Invasion, hence the febrile fascination with Anglo-Saxons. Godwinson's flag was a white soldier on a red field, if anyone is looking for ideas...
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,534
    Scott_xP said:

    He's right

    @DPJHodges

    Say it again. Ordinary working people aren’t going to want this in their communities. And any politician aligning themselves with it is in trouble.

    @RobJeffries
    ·
    12h
    This isn’t patriotism now.

    It’s just fucking vandalism.

    https://x.com/RobJeffries/status/1959529472064942195

    It always was.

    What you wave yourself, what you run up a flagpole on your property, what you put in your window, that's up to you. There may be social consequences if it's the flags of our enemies, but that's as far as it goes. Otherwise, the more the merrier. (One of the things that the English always seem to have struggled with is overlapping identities, some of them shared and others not. See London vs. Essex here in Romford, or the British/European thing that caused and causes so much hassle in our relationship with the EU... it's largely a non-question elsewhere.)

    And if there's a sense that life would be nicer with more flags, splendid. Let's work out how to pay to do it properly.

    But if you co-opt lampposts as unoffical flagpoles without asking, that's vandalism. If you go round spray-painting scruffy red crosses everywhere, that's definitely vandalism. And that's not terribly British/English... is it?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,067
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Why do you find the English flag so offensive?
    I don’t find it offensive , it’s a nice flag . The problem is those who have hijacked it .
    They’re attempting to hijack it, as hooligans have done for decades, but they are only successful if you let them be.

    The St George cross is a reasonable flag, more interesting than most tricolores but not as good as the Union flag, which is one of the best and most iconic designs in the world. I’m always filled with pride when I see French youth wearing fashion items with the good old British flag on them.

    But it’s the English one that will continue to be contested. I think it would look better if it were adjusted to the Nordic off-centre horizontal design. Would place us more accurately in our geo-climatic milieu.
    Flying St George's cross just feels distinctly un-English to me. I thought the English were supposed to have the kind of self-confidence which means you don't need to make such gestures.
    Interesting. So are you claiming the Scots have an inferiority complex?
    Those flying a Saltire in their gardens? I think that's at least part of it, yes.

    The thing about the English (and I guess the UK as whole) is that they have not had a revolution and they haven't overthrown an oppressor, so they don't need to define themselves against one in the same way as the Americans, the Scottish, the Welsh, the French etc do.

    The one thing they can cling to is the Norman Invasion, hence the febrile fascination with Anglo-Saxons. Godwinson's flag was
    The English indeed had a revolution, but at 400 years ago it no longer has any relevance.in England (the Irish will.tell you something else about Cromwell, not sure about the Scots)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,768
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Why do you find the English flag so offensive?
    I don’t find it offensive , it’s a nice flag . The problem is those who have hijacked it .
    They’re attempting to hijack it, as hooligans have done for decades, but they are only successful if you let them be.

    The St George cross is a reasonable flag, more interesting than most tricolores but not as good as the Union flag, which is one of the best and most iconic designs in the world. I’m always filled with pride when I see French youth wearing fashion items with the good old British flag on them.

    But it’s the English one that will continue to be contested. I think it would look better if it were adjusted to the Nordic off-centre horizontal design. Would place us more accurately in our geo-climatic milieu.
    Flying St George's cross just feels distinctly un-English to me. I thought the English were supposed to have the kind of self-confidence which means you don't need to make such gestures.
    Interesting. So are you claiming the Scots have an inferiority complex?
    Those flying a Saltire in their gardens? I think that's at least part of it, yes.

    The thing about the English (and I guess the UK as whole) is that they have not had a revolution and they haven't overthrown an oppressor, so they don't need to define themselves against one in the same way as the Americans, the Scottish, the Welsh, the French etc do.

    The one thing they can cling to is the Norman Invasion, hence the febrile fascination with Anglo-Saxons. Godwinson's flag was a white soldier on a red field, if anyone is looking for ideas...
    Speaking of which the new BBC drama on the Norman Conquest has just finished its first episode on BBC1 focusing on the lead up to Edward the Confessor's coronation
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,699
    TimS said:

    St George cross in Scandi offset:



    A nice twist on the traditional design I think.

    Georgia's flag is also a neat little variation.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,984
    TimS said:

    York. I thought it was one of those genteel slightly Hyacinth Bouquet meets Alan Bennett Yorkshire towns like Wetherby or Harrogate. But no, from this weekend’s evidence it’s very much a city of “the people”.

    Tattier than its sibling Canterbury, most surprisingly. And humming with 21st century chain nightlife. Within a 5 minute walk of my Airbnb there’s a Slug & Lettuce, O’Neills, Yates’s wine lodge, and a Pitcher & Piano. Brands I thought had died a decade or more ago. Not to mention “Lil’s on the waterfront”, “plonkers”, “the stone roses bar”, “Valhalla” and a whole panoply of other venues, filled with the dolled up and lagered up party animals of North Yorkshire. Who’d have thought it?

    Isn’t this though the English being the English. We have this false image of us from Victorian history and Edwardian times of being polite and mannered but that was the history of the upper to aspirant middle classes. You look at the rest of English history from Georgian back and we are a wild, drunken, unruly mob. It was very useful when establishing defence or taking over other countries to have wonderful drunken hooligans as a majority of the population.

    We are individualistic - I feel this is shown in our lack of the family structure when it comes to looking after the old and sending our finest to boarding school.

    We are a wild, Northern, irreligious lot. We drink, fight, shag.

    We aren’t the Victorian English but we are the English of Beowulf, the fights a drunkenness in Chaucer and Shakespeare. You look at the violence of riots at the Public Schools and the universities.

    We are magnificently uncouth in many ways.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,438

    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Why do you find the English flag so offensive?
    I don’t find it offensive , it’s a nice flag . The problem is those who have hijacked it .
    They’re attempting to hijack it, as hooligans have done for decades, but they are only successful if you let them be.

    The St George cross is a reasonable flag, more interesting than most tricolores but not as good as the Union flag, which is one of the best and most iconic designs in the world. I’m always filled with pride when I see French youth wearing fashion items with the good old British flag on them.

    But it’s the English one that will continue to be contested. I think it would look better if it were adjusted to the Nordic off-centre horizontal design. Would place us more accurately in our geo-climatic milieu.
    Flying St George's cross just feels distinctly un-English to me. I thought the English were supposed to have the kind of self-confidence which means you don't need to make such gestures.
    Even Rod Liddle wrote in this week's Fint Knapper Gazette that a country that is flying too many of its own flags all over the place is a sign of a country in trouble and short on confidence.
    Norway is the exception that proves the rule.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,178
    On the subject of flags, I think the French and the Americans do it better. They are visibly proud of their country, in a way we in Britain are not. This is not to imply that Britain has at all times been great*, but a recognition that -on balance- Britain has been good for the world.

    The problem is that the Union Jack flying in the UK all too often suggests that the person flying it would rather the Empire had not gone away.

    In the words of Show of Hands (thanks @Richard_Tyndall), it's my flag too, and I want it back.

    * The opium wars and the betrayal of the white Russians spring to mind
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,585
    edited August 24
    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of flags, I think the French and the Americans do it better. They are visibly proud of their country, in a way we in Britain are not. This is not to imply that Britain has at all times been great*, but a recognition that -on balance- Britain has been good for the world.

    The problem is that the Union Jack flying in the UK all too often suggests that the person flying it would rather the Empire had not gone away.

    In the words of Show of Hands (thanks @Richard_Tyndall), it's my flag too, and I want it back.

    * The opium wars and the betrayal of the white Russians spring to mind

    This is largely untrue about France

    They have better civic pride - they look after their towns and cities much better than we do, and we could learn a lot - but French identity is easily as contested as that of Britain/England. Indeed they have large ethnic minority groups, from north Africa, who actively reject and detest "Frenchness", for some understandable historical reasons, in a way you don't get in Britain. We have different issues

    Essentially, mass immigration has been a disastrous error for every country in Europe

    America does it rather better, because it always was "the melting pot". Bit tough on the Navajo, tho
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,067
    edited August 24
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    Here’s a county flag quiz game when you can admire the decent county flags and also look at the Northumberland one.

    https://www.chefandbrewer.com/pubs/northumberland/black-bull/menu?type=main+menu&section=country+pub+classics

    That appears to be the menu for the Bull at Corbridge.
    Dyvels used to be better before it flooded.
    30 years ago you could get under the counter scrumpy there.
    Now it's full of rugger buggers.

    PS. Kylie Minogue drank at the Angel when in Corbridge.
    You can't argue with that.
    Ha ha, what a twit I am.

    Got lunch there on Thursday with brother and sister in law and my wife.

    https://www.geoguessr.com/fl/2036
    Decent food. Reasonably priced. Enjoy!!
    I quite fancy the toad in the hole and the panna cotta.
    There's a great micropub in the Pele Tower in Corbridge. No food, but once you have eaten in the Bull or the Angel and fancy a couple more pints
    That’s me !!!

    Thanks.

    However usually when I’m with my wife that avenue of pleasure is removed 😂
    Bugger it closed at 8pm tonight and doesn't reopen until Thursday. Unless it is on special Bank Holiday hours and Google Maps reckons it is open tomorrow (but not the CAMRA website)
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,819
    edited August 24
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Why does there have to be a need?

    People could just do it because they want to. Flags are colourful and pretty and move in fun ways in the wind.

    Just chill out.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,708
    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of flags, I think the French and the Americans do it better. They are visibly proud of their country, in a way we in Britain are not.

    Perhaps true of the Stars and Stripes (although less so now the fascists have embraced it)

    Not at all true of the Confederate flag
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,105
    Venus Williams is 1000/1 to win the US Open with Betfair Exchange, in case anyone is interested.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/tennis/market/1.232861962
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,585
    edited August 24
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Why do you find the English flag so offensive?
    I don’t find it offensive , it’s a nice flag . The problem is those who have hijacked it .
    They’re attempting to hijack it, as hooligans have done for decades, but they are only successful if you let them be.

    The St George cross is a reasonable flag, more interesting than most tricolores but not as good as the Union flag, which is one of the best and most iconic designs in the world. I’m always filled with pride when I see French youth wearing fashion items with the good old British flag on them.

    But it’s the English one that will continue to be contested. I think it would look better if it were adjusted to the Nordic off-centre horizontal design. Would place us more accurately in our geo-climatic milieu.
    Flying St George's cross just feels distinctly un-English to me. I thought the English were supposed to have the kind of self-confidence which means you don't need to make such gestures.
    Even Rod Liddle wrote in this week's Fint Knapper Gazette that a country that is flying too many of its own flags all over the place is a sign of a country in trouble and short on confidence.
    Which is true

    What PB does not seem to understand is that maybe 35-40% of the country (possibly a lot more in the right context) simply do not give a fuck, any more, if you call them "racist", "gammons", "Nazis", whatever. They've heard it for fifty years, and they've been scorned for fifty years, and they've been ignored, in terms of their views on mass immigration for the same fifty years, and as a result their towns, cities and country have been transformed in a way they not only did not vote for, but expressly voted AGAINST

    The lies are now coming back to haunt the liars, and a bill is about to be presented. I prefer the German term. Die Rechnung
    I feel like someone should flag this comment, just for the neat conceptual irony

    Thanks
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,538
    edited August 24
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Why do you find the English flag so offensive?
    I don’t find it offensive , it’s a nice flag . The problem is those who have hijacked it .
    They’re attempting to hijack it, as hooligans have done for decades, but they are only successful if you let them be.

    The St George cross is a reasonable flag, more interesting than most tricolores but not as good as the Union flag, which is one of the best and most iconic designs in the world. I’m always filled with pride when I see French youth wearing fashion items with the good old British flag on them.

    But it’s the English one that will continue to be contested. I think it would look better if it were adjusted to the Nordic off-centre horizontal design. Would place us more accurately in our geo-climatic milieu.
    Flying St George's cross just feels distinctly un-English to me. I thought the English were supposed to have the kind of self-confidence which means you don't need to make such gestures.
    Interesting. So are you claiming the Scots have an inferiority complex?
    Those flying a Saltire in their gardens? I think that's at least part of it, yes.

    The thing about the English (and I guess the UK as whole) is that they have not had a revolution and they haven't overthrown an oppressor, so they don't need to define themselves against one in the same way as the Americans, the Scottish, the Welsh, the French etc do.

    The one thing they can cling to is the Norman Invasion, hence the febrile fascination with Anglo-Saxons. Godwinson's flag was a white soldier on a red field, if anyone is looking for ideas...
    Evening all, from a balmy Athens night under the Parthenon.

    Although the English did have a revolution before many other European peoples. All rhe ingredients for a more liberal patriotism are there, but obscured.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,889
    edited August 24
    boulay said:

    TimS said:

    York. I thought it was one of those genteel slightly Hyacinth Bouquet meets Alan Bennett Yorkshire towns like Wetherby or Harrogate. But no, from this weekend’s evidence it’s very much a city of “the people”.

    Tattier than its sibling Canterbury, most surprisingly. And humming with 21st century chain nightlife. Within a 5 minute walk of my Airbnb there’s a Slug & Lettuce, O’Neills, Yates’s wine lodge, and a Pitcher & Piano. Brands I thought had died a decade or more ago. Not to mention “Lil’s on the waterfront”, “plonkers”, “the stone roses bar”, “Valhalla” and a whole panoply of other venues, filled with the dolled up and lagered up party animals of North Yorkshire. Who’d have thought it?

    Isn’t this though the English being the English. We have this false image of us from Victorian history and Edwardian times of being polite and mannered but that was the history of the upper to aspirant middle classes. You look at the rest of English history from Georgian back and we are a wild, drunken, unruly mob. It was very useful when establishing defence or taking over other countries to have wonderful drunken hooligans as a majority of the population.

    We are individualistic - I feel this is shown in our lack of the family structure when it comes to looking after the old and sending our finest to boarding school.

    We are a wild, Northern, irreligious lot. We drink, fight, shag.

    We aren’t the Victorian English but we are the English of Beowulf, the fights a drunkenness in Chaucer and Shakespeare. You look at the violence of riots at the Public Schools and the universities.

    We are magnificently uncouth in many ways.
    Yebbut. York. I’ve been here a few times in the past, in daytime - my wife is from Wetherby - but had never suspected it to be one of those types of place. But then it has a population of over 200k, and has a large catchment, as anyone familiar with staring at a Christaller isotropic plain would acknowledge, so it’s no small backwater.

    But York I had as the sort of place that would be relatively quiet and early closing on a Sunday, which shows just how wrong I was.

    The other funny thing is the average age of the revellers. At a guess comfortably north of 40.
  • Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of flags, I think the French and the Americans do it better. They are visibly proud of their country, in a way we in Britain are not. This is not to imply that Britain has at all times been great*, but a recognition that -on balance- Britain has been good for the world.

    The problem is that the Union Jack flying in the UK all too often suggests that the person flying it would rather the Empire had not gone away.

    In the words of Show of Hands (thanks @Richard_Tyndall), it's my flag too, and I want it back.

    * The opium wars and the betrayal of the white Russians spring to mind

    This is largely untrue about France

    They have better civic pride - they look after their towns and cities much better than we do, and we could learn a lot - but French identity is easily as contested as that of Britain/England. Indeed they have large ethnic minority groups, from north Africa, who actively reject and detest "Frenchness", for some understandable historical reasons, in a way you don't get in Britain. We have different issues

    Essentially, mass immigration has been a disastrous error for every country in Europe

    America does it rather better, because it always was "the melting pot". Bit tough on the Navajo, tho
    I've walked through Breton, Basque, Occitan and Catalan regions of France

    I wonder how they'll compare to the French West coast that I'm planning to walk in the Spring
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,819

    Scott_xP said:

    He's right

    @DPJHodges

    Say it again. Ordinary working people aren’t going to want this in their communities. And any politician aligning themselves with it is in trouble.

    @RobJeffries
    ·
    12h
    This isn’t patriotism now.

    It’s just fucking vandalism.

    https://x.com/RobJeffries/status/1959529472064942195

    It always was.

    What you wave yourself, what you run up a flagpole on your property, what you put in your window, that's up to you. There may be social consequences if it's the flags of our enemies, but that's as far as it goes. Otherwise, the more the merrier. (One of the things that the English always seem to have struggled with is overlapping identities, some of them shared and others not. See London vs. Essex here in Romford, or the British/European thing that caused and causes so much hassle in our relationship with the EU... it's largely a non-question elsewhere.)

    And if there's a sense that life would be nicer with more flags, splendid. Let's work out how to pay to do it properly.

    But if you co-opt lampposts as unoffical flagpoles without asking, that's vandalism. If you go round spray-painting scruffy red crosses everywhere, that's definitely vandalism. And that's not terribly British/English... is it?
    Painting something is vandalism, but tying a flag to something is not, because it's not a permanent fixture. I believe that distinction is in law.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,067
    rcs1000 said:

    On the subject of flags, I think the French and the Americans do it better. They are visibly proud of their country, in a way we in Britain are not. This is not to imply that Britain has at all times been great*, but a recognition that -on balance- Britain has been good for the world.

    The problem is that the Union Jack flying in the UK all too often suggests that the person flying it would rather the Empire had not gone away.

    In the words of Show of Hands (thanks @Richard_Tyndall), it's my flag too, and I want it back.

    * The opium wars and the betrayal of the white Russians spring to mind

    Is it not just the case that we are just an older country than the US, and we are just more relaxed and casual about our patriotism. Also we have the King as our figurehead and don't fetishise the flag in the same way
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,490

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    Here’s a county flag quiz game when you can admire the decent county flags and also look at the Northumberland one.

    https://www.chefandbrewer.com/pubs/northumberland/black-bull/menu?type=main+menu&section=country+pub+classics

    That appears to be the menu for the Bull at Corbridge.
    Dyvels used to be better before it flooded.
    30 years ago you could get under the counter scrumpy there.
    Now it's full of rugger buggers.

    PS. Kylie Minogue drank at the Angel when in Corbridge.
    You can't argue with that.
    Ha ha, what a twit I am.

    Got lunch there on Thursday with brother and sister in law and my wife.

    https://www.geoguessr.com/fl/2036
    Decent food. Reasonably priced. Enjoy!!
    I quite fancy the toad in the hole and the panna cotta.
    There's a great micropub in the Pele Tower in Corbridge. No food, but once you have eaten in the Bull or the Angel and fancy a couple more pints
    That’s me !!!

    Thanks.

    However usually when I’m with my wife that avenue of pleasure is removed 😂
    Bugger it closed at 8pm tonight and doesn't reopen until Thursday. Unless it is on special Bank Holiday hours and Google Maps reckons it is open tomorrow (but not the CAMRA website)
    Usually open (I don't know about the BH) 11-11 Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
    11-8 Sunday and Monday.
    Closed Tuesday and Wednesday.
    Eccentric hours. But then Corbridge is an unusual place in many ways.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,547

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Why do you find the English flag so offensive?
    I don’t find it offensive , it’s a nice flag . The problem is those who have hijacked it .
    They’re attempting to hijack it, as hooligans have done for decades, but they are only successful if you let them be.

    The St George cross is a reasonable flag, more interesting than most tricolores but not as good as the Union flag, which is one of the best and most iconic designs in the world. I’m always filled with pride when I see French youth wearing fashion items with the good old British flag on them.

    But it’s the English one that will continue to be contested. I think it would look better if it were adjusted to the Nordic off-centre horizontal design. Would place us more accurately in our geo-climatic milieu.
    Flying St George's cross just feels distinctly un-English to me. I thought the English were supposed to have the kind of self-confidence which means you don't need to make such gestures.
    Interesting. So are you claiming the Scots have an inferiority complex?
    Those flying a Saltire in their gardens? I think that's at least part of it, yes.

    The thing about the English (and I guess the UK as whole) is that they have not had a revolution and they haven't overthrown an oppressor, so they don't need to define themselves against one in the same way as the Americans, the Scottish, the Welsh, the French etc do.

    The one thing they can cling to is the Norman Invasion, hence the febrile fascination with Anglo-Saxons. Godwinson's flag was
    The English indeed had a revolution, but at 400 years ago it no longer has any relevance.in England (the Irish will.tell you something else about Cromwell, not sure about the Scots)
    There were, in fact, multiple revolutions since.

    The Reform Act, universal suffrage, the show down with the House of Lords in 1911 - these would have been revolutions in many countries. The British way was to bend to change which resulted in a vast reduction in bloodshed.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,974
    Andy_JS said:

    Venus Williams is 1000/1 to win the US Open with Betfair Exchange, in case anyone is interested.

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/tennis/market/1.232861962

    I’ve invested a fiver on Raducanu, partly to cover my bets that she will never win another Grand Slam…
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,490
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Why do you find the English flag so offensive?
    I don’t find it offensive , it’s a nice flag . The problem is those who have hijacked it .
    They’re attempting to hijack it, as hooligans have done for decades, but they are only successful if you let them be.

    The St George cross is a reasonable flag, more interesting than most tricolores but not as good as the Union flag, which is one of the best and most iconic designs in the world. I’m always filled with pride when I see French youth wearing fashion items with the good old British flag on them.

    But it’s the English one that will continue to be contested. I think it would look better if it were adjusted to the Nordic off-centre horizontal design. Would place us more accurately in our geo-climatic milieu.
    Flying St George's cross just feels distinctly un-English to me. I thought the English were supposed to have the kind of self-confidence which means you don't need to make such gestures.
    Even Rod Liddle wrote in this week's Fint Knapper Gazette that a country that is flying too many of its own flags all over the place is a sign of a country in trouble and short on confidence.
    Which is true

    What PB does not seem to understand is that maybe 35-40% of the country (possibly a lot more in the right context) simply do not give a fuck, any more, if you call them "racist", "gammons", "Nazis", whatever. They've heard it for fifty years, and they've been scorned for fifty years, and they've been ignored, in terms of their views on mass immigration for the same fifty years, and as a result their towns, cities and country have been transformed in a way they not only did not vote for, but expressly voted AGAINST

    The lies are now coming back to haunt the liars, and a bill is about to be presented. I prefer the German term. Die Rechnung
    Not entirely surprised you prefer the German.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,819
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Why do you find the English flag so offensive?
    I don’t find it offensive , it’s a nice flag . The problem is those who have hijacked it .
    They’re attempting to hijack it, as hooligans have done for decades, but they are only successful if you let them be.

    The St George cross is a reasonable flag, more interesting than most tricolores but not as good as the Union flag, which is one of the best and most iconic designs in the world. I’m always filled with pride when I see French youth wearing fashion items with the good old British flag on them.

    But it’s the English one that will continue to be contested. I think it would look better if it were adjusted to the Nordic off-centre horizontal design. Would place us more accurately in our geo-climatic milieu.
    Flying St George's cross just feels distinctly un-English to me. I thought the English were supposed to have the kind of self-confidence which means you don't need to make such gestures.
    Interesting. So are you claiming the Scots have an inferiority complex?
    Those flying a Saltire in their gardens? I think that's at least part of it, yes.

    The thing about the English (and I guess the UK as whole) is that they have not had a revolution and they haven't overthrown an oppressor, so they don't need to define themselves against one in the same way as the Americans, the Scottish, the Welsh, the French etc do.

    The one thing they can cling to is the Norman Invasion, hence the febrile fascination with Anglo-Saxons. Godwinson's flag was a white soldier on a red field, if anyone is looking for ideas...
    https://mrflag.com/product/fighting-man-harold-godwinson-outdoor-quality-flag/

    I've never seen this flag before. Thanks!


  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,585

    Scott_xP said:

    He's right

    @DPJHodges

    Say it again. Ordinary working people aren’t going to want this in their communities. And any politician aligning themselves with it is in trouble.

    @RobJeffries
    ·
    12h
    This isn’t patriotism now.

    It’s just fucking vandalism.

    https://x.com/RobJeffries/status/1959529472064942195

    It always was.

    What you wave yourself, what you run up a flagpole on your property, what you put in your window, that's up to you. There may be social consequences if it's the flags of our enemies, but that's as far as it goes. Otherwise, the more the merrier. (One of the things that the English always seem to have struggled with is overlapping identities, some of them shared and others not. See London vs. Essex here in Romford, or the British/European thing that caused and causes so much hassle in our relationship with the EU... it's largely a non-question elsewhere.)

    And if there's a sense that life would be nicer with more flags, splendid. Let's work out how to pay to do it properly.

    But if you co-opt lampposts as unoffical flagpoles without asking, that's vandalism. If you go round spray-painting scruffy red crosses everywhere, that's definitely vandalism. And that's not terribly British/English... is it?
    Except that in multiple cities in the UK, the authorities have tolerated the hanging of Palestinian flags. I've seen it in London

    So hanging Palestinian flags from lamp-posts is all fine and groovy, but hanging our own national flag is wrong, racist and provocative?

    Quite frankly, you can REDACTED REDACTED

    This is one of the main problems. Everyone can now see the screaming double standards of people like, well, you

    If you'd come down on hard on Palestinian flag-shaggers, well and good. But you didn't
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,699
    dixiedean said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    TimS said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Just back from the toon. Visited the quayside market and the Newcastle Mela. The Mela was ace. All races and people together enjoying food and music in a lovely environment. Great fun. Some lovely street food.

    I also didn’t see many flags but I didn’t look for them. I did see on pb earlier people reporting flags sightings which, by some happy coincidence, aligned with their view of the issue. PB at its best.

    A bridge over the A36 outside Warminster had two England flags this afternoon. I think it’s a real thing going on out there, but lets appropriate it for the Rugby World Cup…
    It's nice to see the Junior National Front retake the St George flag..
    I think it’s really sad. Many, many people have a problem with the English identity, and flag, because of the associations with the far right. Because of this we English are denied the nationalism that is enjoyed by our Celtic cousins. To hear Elis James talk about his Welshness and following the Welsh football team is a joy. I was sickened by the events at Wembley in 2021 for the Euros final. How do we English build an identity that doesn’t reek of the racists?
    The cause isn’t helped by wife beating Neanderthals attacking migrant hotels. Sadly it’s going to get worse now after a period when the English flag had more positive vibes. Not sure how you do that as the stereotype that most people have of those putting up flags on their houses ( outside of England football or rugby events ) is a shaved headed , tattooed racist thug .
    No. That is the stereotype YOU have. Most people are actually able to contextualise. Something you appear to be incapable of doing.
    Brits aren’t like Americans and so whether you like it or not sticking an England flag on your house outside of Royal or sporting events will give people the wrong idea .
    There is a house just along from me that has flown the English flag, the Lincolnshire flag* and (since 2022) the Ukraine flag continuously for as long as I have lived here. No one considers the owners racist or xenophobic and nor should they.

    Context. It matters.

    And your choice of ignoring it and relying on your own bigoted stereotypes says a great deal about you and your views of the country and the people who share it with you.

    *which is a horrible multicoloured thing and an eyesore compared to other county flags

    I don’t understand the need to fly flags on non official buildings . Sorry I just don’t get it . You can accuse me of stereotyping but the English flag has unfortunately been hijacked .
    Why do you find the English flag so offensive?
    I don’t find it offensive , it’s a nice flag . The problem is those who have hijacked it .
    They’re attempting to hijack it, as hooligans have done for decades, but they are only successful if you let them be.

    The St George cross is a reasonable flag, more interesting than most tricolores but not as good as the Union flag, which is one of the best and most iconic designs in the world. I’m always filled with pride when I see French youth wearing fashion items with the good old British flag on them.

    But it’s the English one that will continue to be contested. I think it would look better if it were adjusted to the Nordic off-centre horizontal design. Would place us more accurately in our geo-climatic milieu.
    Flying St George's cross just feels distinctly un-English to me. I thought the English were supposed to have the kind of self-confidence which means you don't need to make such gestures.
    Even Rod Liddle wrote in this week's Fint Knapper Gazette that a country that is flying too many of its own flags all over the place is a sign of a country in trouble and short on confidence.
    Which is true

    What PB does not seem to understand is that maybe 35-40% of the country (possibly a lot more in the right context) simply do not give a fuck, any more, if you call them "racist", "gammons", "Nazis", whatever. They've heard it for fifty years, and they've been scorned for fifty years, and they've been ignored, in terms of their views on mass immigration for the same fifty years, and as a result their towns, cities and country have been transformed in a way they not only did not vote for, but expressly voted AGAINST

    The lies are now coming back to haunt the liars, and a bill is about to be presented. I prefer the German term. Die Rechnung
    Not entirely surprised you prefer the German.
    "Please! I like America!"
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 7,067
    edited August 24
    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    Here’s a county flag quiz game when you can admire the decent county flags and also look at the Northumberland one.

    https://www.chefandbrewer.com/pubs/northumberland/black-bull/menu?type=main+menu&section=country+pub+classics

    That appears to be the menu for the Bull at Corbridge.
    Dyvels used to be better before it flooded.
    30 years ago you could get under the counter scrumpy there.
    Now it's full of rugger buggers.

    PS. Kylie Minogue drank at the Angel when in Corbridge.
    You can't argue with that.
    Ha ha, what a twit I am.

    Got lunch there on Thursday with brother and sister in law and my wife.

    https://www.geoguessr.com/fl/2036
    Decent food. Reasonably priced. Enjoy!!
    I quite fancy the toad in the hole and the panna cotta.
    There's a great micropub in the Pele Tower in Corbridge. No food, but once you have eaten in the Bull or the Angel and fancy a couple more pints
    That’s me !!!

    Thanks.

    However usually when I’m with my wife that avenue of pleasure is removed 😂
    Bugger it closed at 8pm tonight and doesn't reopen until Thursday. Unless it is on special Bank Holiday hours and Google Maps reckons it is open tomorrow (but not the CAMRA website)
    Usually open (I don't know about the BH) 11-11 Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
    11-8 Sunday and Monday.
    Closed Tuesday and Wednesday.
    Eccentric hours. But then Corbridge is an unusual place in many ways.
    Not sure that is eccentric, it's a micropub. Open 54 hours a week, you can cover that with 2 full timers overlapping at busy times
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