Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
Didn’t that happen to Alec Guinness with Star Wars. He took a small salary but ended with a percentage of the gross which was millions. Earned more from that than his entire career beforehand.
Didn’t know that. Hope it’s true. Fine actor
On checking his IMDb profile it looks like it was.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
Didn’t that happen to Alec Guinness with Star Wars. He took a small salary but ended with a percentage of the gross which was millions. Earned more from that than his entire career beforehand.
Didn’t know that. Hope it’s true. Fine actor
I doubt many actors really manage to improve on their material, but he did with Smiley.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
Didn’t that happen to Alec Guinness with Star Wars. He took a small salary but ended with a percentage of the gross which was millions. Earned more from that than his entire career beforehand.
"The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded!"
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
In this one-minute clip from The Rest is Politics, Rory suggests most pundits are wrongly framing Trump's position on Ukraine, which leads them to say he was outmanoeuvred. Looked at from another angle, Trump might be succeeding.
FWIW I think Rory is about right. He has been on this line for a time.
Two things, one certain, the other likely. Certain: Trump thinks Europe is two power blocs, Russian and western and that exactly where the dividing line comes somewhere in central Europe - which is in fact what the current war is about in his mind - is a matter for Europe and he doesn't care.
Likely: That Trump is actively pro Russia.
Realist conclusion: It is obvious that USA is not willing to risk a single soldier's life over where that boundary is drawn in this war.
Next realist conclusion: It is not yet obvious that a single large 'western' (NATO) country is willing to either.
'Security guarantees' means risking your soldiers' lives. No western leader has yet said so. When they do we shall know they are serious.
Rory is such a loss to front line politics. We desperately need people like him, people capable of actually thinking and analysing the problems we have.
I agree with him that Trump really doesn't care about Europe, the Ukraine or NATO. As far as he is concerned why should US resources be wasted on this? What's in it for them? As Charles De Gaulle said, "countries have interests, not friends." On this it is us that are deluding ourselves, not Trump. If Europe decides it has an interest in preventing Russia's aggression in Ukraine succeeding, and we do, we must do something about it. Expecting the Americans to bail us out is both pathetic and unrealistic.
What is also true is that at the point where USA has no intention of keeping their bit of the NATO deal the rest of us (Euronato?) should realistically be given a few years actual rather than implied notice to prepare. I think that notice really only ran from January, even though we should have prepared years ago.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
My sister in law and brother in law are both actors. They get by ok, but only with additional jobs. He was largely in the West End and was nominated for an Olivier award sometime ago. He would play major roles in musicals and the year he got nominated he was the lead in a well known musical. She does do a lot of theatre but is more well known for TV and has played the lead in a couple of dramas and subsidiary roles in a lot (particularly soaps), but has also had a major role in an American (I suspect made for TV) film. Her most notable roles, for me anyway, were a murderer in Taggart and a floozy in Blackadder.
We have met a number of their friends whom we see on TV a lot. They all get by but none are rich. Like a few professions those at the top command high salaries, the vast majority less so.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
Didn’t that happen to Alec Guinness with Star Wars. He took a small salary but ended with a percentage of the gross which was millions. Earned more from that than his entire career beforehand.
Didn’t know that. Hope it’s true. Fine actor
I doubt many actors really manage to improve on their material, but he did with Smiley.
I rather liked The Fast Show tribute to Smiley with John Thompson.
This scene from Tinker Tailor, not that crap film, is excellent
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
Yes. No more two tier PB. We all post under a name of choice. All posting histories accessible. If you don't want it there don't post it.
I don’t like the “mandatory public profile” rule. But if the moderators insist, I will accept it. Their site, their rules
What I objected to was the idea of me alone being brutally and politically persecuted, like some kind of PB Lucy Connolly, or Nelson Mandela
However in fairness @TSE has apparently now made @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and everyone else public. So I shall not complain
The Connolly comparison is almost apposite.
But I don't think you're an actual criminal. Or particularly stupid.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
That’s fine. I made mine private when that sozzled loon Ishmael was stalking my every post. The only person online I’ve ever felt wary about knowing stuff about me and I used to post regularly on DrWho,and Pro Wrestling forums.
I always assumed people with private profiles wanted to hide their historic posts. And the few people with private profiles usually had obvious reasons for wanting their historic posts private.
Well I certainly didn’t have any such cause.
Not even the one where you claimed the 10% of the population of Birmingham is Somali?
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
That’s fine. I made mine private when that sozzled loon Ishmael was stalking my every post. The only person online I’ve ever felt wary about knowing stuff about me and I used to post regularly on DrWho,and Pro Wrestling forums.
I always assumed people with private profiles wanted to hide their historic posts. And the few people with private profiles usually had obvious reasons for wanting their historic posts private.
Wasn’t there a poster on here living in permanent fear of being cancelled who wanted to delete his somewhat ‘spicy’ posting history?
And then he returned with a different account(s) - and instantly revealed who he was...
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
That’s fine. I made mine private when that sozzled loon Ishmael was stalking my every post. The only person online I’ve ever felt wary about knowing stuff about me and I used to post regularly on DrWho,and Pro Wrestling forums.
I always assumed people with private profiles wanted to hide their historic posts. And the few people with private profiles usually had obvious reasons for wanting their historic posts private.
Well I certainly didn’t have any such cause.
Not even the one where you claimed the 10% of the population of Birmingham is Somali?
No.
And I was referencing data that was probably incorrect.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
Didn’t that happen to Alec Guinness with Star Wars. He took a small salary but ended with a percentage of the gross which was millions. Earned more from that than his entire career beforehand.
Didn’t know that. Hope it’s true. Fine actor
On checking his IMDb profile it looks like it was.
Both he and George Lucas appeared for very low pay in exchange for a share of the gross. Guinness was somewhat winding down his career at the time anyway.
Lucas got the best deal - I think it was 40% of the gross of all box office and related merchandise. Made him a billionaire.
In this one-minute clip from The Rest is Politics, Rory suggests most pundits are wrongly framing Trump's position on Ukraine, which leads them to say he was outmanoeuvred. Looked at from another angle, Trump might be succeeding.
FWIW I think Rory is about right. He has been on this line for a time.
Two things, one certain, the other likely. Certain: Trump thinks Europe is two power blocs, Russian and western and that exactly where the dividing line comes somewhere in central Europe - which is in fact what the current war is about in his mind - is a matter for Europe and he doesn't care.
Likely: That Trump is actively pro Russia.
Realist conclusion: It is obvious that USA is not willing to risk a single soldier's life over where that boundary is drawn in this war.
Next realist conclusion: It is not yet obvious that a single large 'western' (NATO) country is willing to either.
'Security guarantees' means risking your soldiers' lives. No western leader has yet said so. When they do we shall know they are serious.
Rory is such a loss to front line politics. We desperately need people like him, people capable of actually thinking and analysing the problems we have.
I agree with him that Trump really doesn't care about Europe, the Ukraine or NATO. As far as he is concerned why should US resources be wasted on this? What's in it for them? As Charles De Gaulle said, "countries have interests, not friends." On this it is us that are deluding ourselves, not Trump. If Europe decides it has an interest in preventing Russia's aggression in Ukraine succeeding, and we do, we must do something about it. Expecting the Americans to bail us out is both pathetic and unrealistic.
What is also true is that at the point where USA has no intention of keeping their bit of the NATO deal the rest of us (Euronato?) should realistically be given a few years actual rather than implied notice to prepare. I think that notice really only ran from January, even though we should have prepared years ago.
The disengagement of the US with Europe has been a long time coming. I think it was Obama who removed all the MBTs from Europe. It was inevitable once Russia ceased to be a global rival. If it had not been for Ukraine we would probably barely have noticed. But none of that is an excuse for the most over generaled armed forces in the world failing to see what was coming.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
My sister in law and brother in law are both actors. They get by ok, but only with additional jobs. He was largely in the West End and was nominated for an Olivier award sometime ago. He would play major roles in musicals and the year he got nominated he was the lead in a well known musical. She does do a lot of theatre but is more well known for TV and has played the lead in a couple of dramas and subsidiary roles in a lot (particularly soaps), but has also had a major role in an American (I suspect made for TV) film. Her most notable roles, for me anyway, were a murderer in Taggart and a floozy in Blackadder.
We have met a number of their friends whom we see on TV a lot. They all get by but none are rich. Like a few professions those at the top command high salaries, the vast majority less so.
If you want to make insane money, guaranteed, come up with a great TV concept that sells around the world
My flint work agent represents the guy who invented Masterchef. Which has been adapted and remade in about 30 countries. They have to pay him every time they adapt it, and he gets a fee - from each country - every time an episode is broadcast
He basically sits under an Iguazu Falls of cash. Doesn’t do anything and the cheques roll in. Vast torrents of moolah. Many many millions
I don’t know why kids are worrying about the robots taking all the jobs. All they gotta do is come up with a genius TV idea that can be exported worldwide
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
Didn’t that happen to Alec Guinness with Star Wars. He took a small salary but ended with a percentage of the gross which was millions. Earned more from that than his entire career beforehand.
Didn’t know that. Hope it’s true. Fine actor
On checking his IMDb profile it looks like it was.
Both he and George Lucas appeared for very low pay in exchange for a share of the gross. Guinness was somewhat winding down his career at the time anyway.
Lucas got the best deal - I think it was 40% of the gross of all box office and related merchandise. Made him a billionaire.
Star Wars was a great franchise for selling action figures too. Some of them go for silly money.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
My sister in law and brother in law are both actors. They get by ok, but only with additional jobs. He was largely in the West End and was nominated for an Olivier award sometime ago. He would play major roles in musicals and the year he got nominated he was the lead in a well known musical. She does do a lot of theatre but is more well known for TV and has played the lead in a couple of dramas and subsidiary roles in a lot (particularly soaps), but has also had a major role in an American (I suspect made for TV) film. Her most notable roles, for me anyway, were a murderer in Taggart and a floozy in Blackadder.
We have met a number of their friends whom we see on TV a lot. They all get by but none are rich. Like a few professions those at the top command high salaries, the vast majority less so.
If you want to make insane money, guaranteed, come up with a great TV concept that sells around the world
My flint work agent represents the guy who invented Masterchef. Which has been adapted and remade in about 30 countries. They have to pay him every time they adapt it, and he gets a fee - from each country - every time an episode is broadcast
He basically sits under an Iguazu Falls of cash. Doesn’t do anything and the cheques roll in. Vast torrents of moolah. Many many millions
I don’t know why kids are worrying about the robots taking all the jobs. All they gotta do is come up with a genius TV idea that can be exported worldwide
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
My sister in law and brother in law are both actors. They get by ok, but only with additional jobs. He was largely in the West End and was nominated for an Olivier award sometime ago. He would play major roles in musicals and the year he got nominated he was the lead in a well known musical. She does do a lot of theatre but is more well known for TV and has played the lead in a couple of dramas and subsidiary roles in a lot (particularly soaps), but has also had a major role in an American (I suspect made for TV) film. Her most notable roles, for me anyway, were a murderer in Taggart and a floozy in Blackadder.
We have met a number of their friends whom we see on TV a lot. They all get by but none are rich. Like a few professions those at the top command high salaries, the vast majority less so.
If you want to make insane money, guaranteed, come up with a great TV concept that sells around the world
My flint work agent represents the guy who invented Masterchef. Which has been adapted and remade in about 30 countries. They have to pay him every time they adapt it, and he gets a fee - from each country - every time an episode is broadcast
He basically sits under an Iguazu Falls of cash. Doesn’t do anything and the cheques roll in. Vast torrents of moolah. Many many millions
I don’t know why kids are worrying about the robots taking all the jobs. All they gotta do is come up with a genius TV idea that can be exported worldwide
But you need to make sure you own the rights to it. I was reading a Twitter thread from a guy who worked with a tv channel on a format for a car show (no, not Top Gear) for daytime TV. Cut a long story short they ran with it, he got zip.
In this one-minute clip from The Rest is Politics, Rory suggests most pundits are wrongly framing Trump's position on Ukraine, which leads them to say he was outmanoeuvred. Looked at from another angle, Trump might be succeeding.
FWIW I think Rory is about right. He has been on this line for a time.
Two things, one certain, the other likely. Certain: Trump thinks Europe is two power blocs, Russian and western and that exactly where the dividing line comes somewhere in central Europe - which is in fact what the current war is about in his mind - is a matter for Europe and he doesn't care.
Likely: That Trump is actively pro Russia.
Realist conclusion: It is obvious that USA is not willing to risk a single soldier's life over where that boundary is drawn in this war.
Next realist conclusion: It is not yet obvious that a single large 'western' (NATO) country is willing to either.
'Security guarantees' means risking your soldiers' lives. No western leader has yet said so. When they do we shall know they are serious.
Rory is such a loss to front line politics. We desperately need people like him, people capable of actually thinking and analysing the problems we have.
I agree with him that Trump really doesn't care about Europe, the Ukraine or NATO. As far as he is concerned why should US resources be wasted on this? What's in it for them? As Charles De Gaulle said, "countries have interests, not friends." On this it is us that are deluding ourselves, not Trump. If Europe decides it has an interest in preventing Russia's aggression in Ukraine succeeding, and we do, we must do something about it. Expecting the Americans to bail us out is both pathetic and unrealistic.
This Rory Stewart:
Kamala Harris will win comfortably, because:
• Biden’s admin has been solid • Trump’s lost ground since 2016 • The young Black male votes which Trump needs didn’t turn out in 16, 18, 20, or 22 • Young women like Kamala + vote ✴️Ignore polls—they’re herding, after past misses
Stewart is the type of 'expert' who sees nothing wrong with unrestricted illegal immigration but gets upset about the possibility of them being deported.
That's the chap. iirc Marina and Richard on TRiEntertainment were closer (or one of that stable anyway, possibly Alan Shearer).
In this one-minute clip from The Rest is Politics, Rory suggests most pundits are wrongly framing Trump's position on Ukraine, which leads them to say he was outmanoeuvred. Looked at from another angle, Trump might be succeeding.
FWIW I think Rory is about right. He has been on this line for a time.
Two things, one certain, the other likely. Certain: Trump thinks Europe is two power blocs, Russian and western and that exactly where the dividing line comes somewhere in central Europe - which is in fact what the current war is about in his mind - is a matter for Europe and he doesn't care.
Likely: That Trump is actively pro Russia.
Realist conclusion: It is obvious that USA is not willing to risk a single soldier's life over where that boundary is drawn in this war.
Next realist conclusion: It is not yet obvious that a single large 'western' (NATO) country is willing to either.
'Security guarantees' means risking your soldiers' lives. No western leader has yet said so. When they do we shall know they are serious.
Rory is such a loss to front line politics. We desperately need people like him, people capable of actually thinking and analysing the problems we have.
I agree with him that Trump really doesn't care about Europe, the Ukraine or NATO. As far as he is concerned why should US resources be wasted on this? What's in it for them? As Charles De Gaulle said, "countries have interests, not friends." On this it is us that are deluding ourselves, not Trump. If Europe decides it has an interest in preventing Russia's aggression in Ukraine succeeding, and we do, we must do something about it. Expecting the Americans to bail us out is both pathetic and unrealistic.
What is also true is that at the point where USA has no intention of keeping their bit of the NATO deal the rest of us (Euronato?) should realistically be given a few years actual rather than implied notice to prepare. I think that notice really only ran from January, even though we should have prepared years ago.
Trump told Europe to increase defence spending eight years ago.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
That’s fine. I made mine private when that sozzled loon Ishmael was stalking my every post. The only person online I’ve ever felt wary about knowing stuff about me and I used to post regularly on DrWho,and Pro Wrestling forums.
I always assumed people with private profiles wanted to hide their historic posts. And the few people with private profiles usually had obvious reasons for wanting their historic posts private.
Well I certainly didn’t have any such cause.
Not even the one where you claimed the 10% of the population of Birmingham is Somali?
No.
And I was referencing data that was probably incorrect.
No, you simply misunderstood the data, which was actually saying the 10% (or thereabouts, I forgot the exact figure) of the Somalian population of the UK lives in Birmingham. The funny thing was that Casino actually believed what you wrote and duly expressed his outrage. It's a classic example of the spread of misinformation.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
My sister in law and brother in law are both actors. They get by ok, but only with additional jobs. He was largely in the West End and was nominated for an Olivier award sometime ago. He would play major roles in musicals and the year he got nominated he was the lead in a well known musical. She does do a lot of theatre but is more well known for TV and has played the lead in a couple of dramas and subsidiary roles in a lot (particularly soaps), but has also had a major role in an American (I suspect made for TV) film. Her most notable roles, for me anyway, were a murderer in Taggart and a floozy in Blackadder.
We have met a number of their friends whom we see on TV a lot. They all get by but none are rich. Like a few professions those at the top command high salaries, the vast majority less so.
If you want to make insane money, guaranteed, come up with a great TV concept that sells around the world
My flint work agent represents the guy who invented Masterchef. Which has been adapted and remade in about 30 countries. They have to pay him every time they adapt it, and he gets a fee - from each country - every time an episode is broadcast
He basically sits under an Iguazu Falls of cash. Doesn’t do anything and the cheques roll in. Vast torrents of moolah. Many many millions
I don’t know why kids are worrying about the robots taking all the jobs. All they gotta do is come up with a genius TV idea that can be exported worldwide
Isn't something like that true for Jasper Carrot and who wants to be a millionaire?
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
My sister in law and brother in law are both actors. They get by ok, but only with additional jobs. He was largely in the West End and was nominated for an Olivier award sometime ago. He would play major roles in musicals and the year he got nominated he was the lead in a well known musical. She does do a lot of theatre but is more well known for TV and has played the lead in a couple of dramas and subsidiary roles in a lot (particularly soaps), but has also had a major role in an American (I suspect made for TV) film. Her most notable roles, for me anyway, were a murderer in Taggart and a floozy in Blackadder.
We have met a number of their friends whom we see on TV a lot. They all get by but none are rich. Like a few professions those at the top command high salaries, the vast majority less so.
If you want to make insane money, guaranteed, come up with a great TV concept that sells around the world
My flint work agent represents the guy who invented Masterchef. Which has been adapted and remade in about 30 countries. They have to pay him every time they adapt it, and he gets a fee - from each country - every time an episode is broadcast
He basically sits under an Iguazu Falls of cash. Doesn’t do anything and the cheques roll in. Vast torrents of moolah. Many many millions
I don’t know why kids are worrying about the robots taking all the jobs. All they gotta do is come up with a genius TV idea that can be exported worldwide
Isn't something like that true for Jasper Carrot and who wants to be a millionaire?
I went to school with the son and brother of the composers of the Millionaire theme ditty.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
My sister in law and brother in law are both actors. They get by ok, but only with additional jobs. He was largely in the West End and was nominated for an Olivier award sometime ago. He would play major roles in musicals and the year he got nominated he was the lead in a well known musical. She does do a lot of theatre but is more well known for TV and has played the lead in a couple of dramas and subsidiary roles in a lot (particularly soaps), but has also had a major role in an American (I suspect made for TV) film. Her most notable roles, for me anyway, were a murderer in Taggart and a floozy in Blackadder.
We have met a number of their friends whom we see on TV a lot. They all get by but none are rich. Like a few professions those at the top command high salaries, the vast majority less so.
If you want to make insane money, guaranteed, come up with a great TV concept that sells around the world
My flint work agent represents the guy who invented Masterchef. Which has been adapted and remade in about 30 countries. They have to pay him every time they adapt it, and he gets a fee - from each country - every time an episode is broadcast
He basically sits under an Iguazu Falls of cash. Doesn’t do anything and the cheques roll in. Vast torrents of moolah. Many many millions
I don’t know why kids are worrying about the robots taking all the jobs. All they gotta do is come up with a genius TV idea that can be exported worldwide
But you need to make sure you own the rights to it. I was reading a Twitter thread from a guy who worked with a tv channel on a format for a car show (no, not Top Gear) for daytime TV. Cut a long story short they ran with it, he got zip.
TV is utterly ruthless for stitching up the humble creatives. Or indeed anyone. Worse than Hollywood. People will shamelessly steal ideas and backstab colleagues on a whim
Get a really good agent. And get a rock solid contract
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
Didn’t that happen to Alec Guinness with Star Wars. He took a small salary but ended with a percentage of the gross which was millions. Earned more from that than his entire career beforehand.
Didn’t know that. Hope it’s true. Fine actor
On checking his IMDb profile it looks like it was.
Both he and George Lucas appeared for very low pay in exchange for a share of the gross. Guinness was somewhat winding down his career at the time anyway.
Lucas got the best deal - I think it was 40% of the gross of all box office and related merchandise. Made him a billionaire.
I have a vague memory of an Alec Guinness interview where he said something along the lines of he was just given a percentage after the fact and out of the blue.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
That’s fine. I made mine private when that sozzled loon Ishmael was stalking my every post. The only person online I’ve ever felt wary about knowing stuff about me and I used to post regularly on DrWho,and Pro Wrestling forums.
I always assumed people with private profiles wanted to hide their historic posts. And the few people with private profiles usually had obvious reasons for wanting their historic posts private.
Well I certainly didn’t have any such cause.
Not even the one where you claimed the 10% of the population of Birmingham is Somali?
No.
And I was referencing data that was probably incorrect.
No, you simply misunderstood the data, which was actually saying the 10% (or thereabouts, I forgot the exact figure) of the Somalian population of the UK lives in Birmingham. The funny thing was that Casino actually believed what you wrote and duly expressed his outrage. It's a classic example of the spread of misinformation.
Yeah, I misread the data. So what. I won’t be the first to do that and won’t be the last to do that. You seriously think I’d make my profile private over such a triviality 😂😂😂 it was private long before that.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
My sister in law and brother in law are both actors. They get by ok, but only with additional jobs. He was largely in the West End and was nominated for an Olivier award sometime ago. He would play major roles in musicals and the year he got nominated he was the lead in a well known musical. She does do a lot of theatre but is more well known for TV and has played the lead in a couple of dramas and subsidiary roles in a lot (particularly soaps), but has also had a major role in an American (I suspect made for TV) film. Her most notable roles, for me anyway, were a murderer in Taggart and a floozy in Blackadder.
We have met a number of their friends whom we see on TV a lot. They all get by but none are rich. Like a few professions those at the top command high salaries, the vast majority less so.
If you want to make insane money, guaranteed, come up with a great TV concept that sells around the world
My flint work agent represents the guy who invented Masterchef. Which has been adapted and remade in about 30 countries. They have to pay him every time they adapt it, and he gets a fee - from each country - every time an episode is broadcast
He basically sits under an Iguazu Falls of cash. Doesn’t do anything and the cheques roll in. Vast torrents of moolah. Many many millions
I don’t know why kids are worrying about the robots taking all the jobs. All they gotta do is come up with a genius TV idea that can be exported worldwide
Isn't something like that true for Jasper Carrot and who wants to be a millionaire?
I went to school with the son and brother of the composers of the Millionaire theme ditty.
I used to buy 7 inch singles from Jasper Carrot’s record shop in Shirley. I remember being XTC’s Sgt Rock there.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
Didn’t that happen to Alec Guinness with Star Wars. He took a small salary but ended with a percentage of the gross which was millions. Earned more from that than his entire career beforehand.
Didn’t know that. Hope it’s true. Fine actor
On checking his IMDb profile it looks like it was.
Both he and George Lucas appeared for very low pay in exchange for a share of the gross. Guinness was somewhat winding down his career at the time anyway.
Lucas got the best deal - I think it was 40% of the gross of all box office and related merchandise. Made him a billionaire.
I have a vague memory of an Alec Guinness interview where he said something along the lines of he was just given a percentage after the fact and out of the blue.
He negotiated it as part of the deal according to the IMDB site.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
My sister in law and brother in law are both actors. They get by ok, but only with additional jobs. He was largely in the West End and was nominated for an Olivier award sometime ago. He would play major roles in musicals and the year he got nominated he was the lead in a well known musical. She does do a lot of theatre but is more well known for TV and has played the lead in a couple of dramas and subsidiary roles in a lot (particularly soaps), but has also had a major role in an American (I suspect made for TV) film. Her most notable roles, for me anyway, were a murderer in Taggart and a floozy in Blackadder.
We have met a number of their friends whom we see on TV a lot. They all get by but none are rich. Like a few professions those at the top command high salaries, the vast majority less so.
If you want to make insane money, guaranteed, come up with a great TV concept that sells around the world
My flint work agent represents the guy who invented Masterchef. Which has been adapted and remade in about 30 countries. They have to pay him every time they adapt it, and he gets a fee - from each country - every time an episode is broadcast
He basically sits under an Iguazu Falls of cash. Doesn’t do anything and the cheques roll in. Vast torrents of moolah. Many many millions
I don’t know why kids are worrying about the robots taking all the jobs. All they gotta do is come up with a genius TV idea that can be exported worldwide
Isn't something like that true for Jasper Carrot and who wants to be a millionaire?
Just googled it, he had a stake in Celador who devised the format. Made millions selling his stake.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
My sister in law and brother in law are both actors. They get by ok, but only with additional jobs. He was largely in the West End and was nominated for an Olivier award sometime ago. He would play major roles in musicals and the year he got nominated he was the lead in a well known musical. She does do a lot of theatre but is more well known for TV and has played the lead in a couple of dramas and subsidiary roles in a lot (particularly soaps), but has also had a major role in an American (I suspect made for TV) film. Her most notable roles, for me anyway, were a murderer in Taggart and a floozy in Blackadder.
We have met a number of their friends whom we see on TV a lot. They all get by but none are rich. Like a few professions those at the top command high salaries, the vast majority less so.
If you want to make insane money, guaranteed, come up with a great TV concept that sells around the world
My flint work agent represents the guy who invented Masterchef. Which has been adapted and remade in about 30 countries. They have to pay him every time they adapt it, and he gets a fee - from each country - every time an episode is broadcast
He basically sits under an Iguazu Falls of cash. Doesn’t do anything and the cheques roll in. Vast torrents of moolah. Many many millions
I don’t know why kids are worrying about the robots taking all the jobs. All they gotta do is come up with a genius TV idea that can be exported worldwide
But you need to make sure you own the rights to it. I was reading a Twitter thread from a guy who worked with a tv channel on a format for a car show (no, not Top Gear) for daytime TV. Cut a long story short they ran with it, he got zip.
TV is utterly ruthless for stitching up the humble creatives. Or indeed anyone. Worse than Hollywood. People will shamelessly steal ideas and backstab colleagues on a whim
Get a really good agent. And get a rock solid contract
This guy had just been emailing them ideas. Of course he’s never going to sue a large corporation. So he was screwed. A bitter life lesson.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
Didn’t that happen to Alec Guinness with Star Wars. He took a small salary but ended with a percentage of the gross which was millions. Earned more from that than his entire career beforehand.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
Didn’t that happen to Alec Guinness with Star Wars. He took a small salary but ended with a percentage of the gross which was millions. Earned more from that than his entire career beforehand.
Didn’t know that. Hope it’s true. Fine actor
On checking his IMDb profile it looks like it was.
Both he and George Lucas appeared for very low pay in exchange for a share of the gross. Guinness was somewhat winding down his career at the time anyway.
Lucas got the best deal - I think it was 40% of the gross of all box office and related merchandise. Made him a billionaire.
I have a vague memory of an Alec Guinness interview where he said something along the lines of he was just given a percentage after the fact and out of the blue.
He negotiated it as part of the deal according to the IMDB site.
Guinness mentions on Parkinson in 1977 he got 2.25%:
Meanwhile the US President is conspiring to falsify. The Russian President is planning as to how much gain he can make for every million he throws into the fire. And Europe wrestles with how to fund the entirely undeserving.
Speaking of riots: I have been wondering about the FIFA events here next year. The US has, as you know, something of a gun culture. This area has an extensive drug culture, some of it quite open.
I have read that soccer fans are sometimes a bit boisterous, so I fear that they might not always get the best reception from people here. I have also read that fans from different nations don't always get along.
Moreover, our police forces are still recovering from the "defund the police" movement, sparked by the death of George Floyd. So any official responses to disturbances might not go as well as one would like.
Speaking of riots: I have been wondering about the FIFA events here next year. The US has, as you know, something of a gun culture. This area has an extensive drug culture, some of it quite open.
I have read that soccer fans are sometimes a bit boisterous, so I fear that they might not always get the best reception from people here. I have also read that fans from different nations don't always get along.
Moreover, our police forces are still recovering from the "defund the police" movement, sparked by the death of George Floyd. So any official responses to disturbances might not go as well as one would like.
So the question is, what's changed since 1994? I'd suggest that, in fact, things might be better (that's maybe not the right word!) because the tickets, travel and accommodation are going to be so expensive that only well to do football fans will be there.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
Didn’t that happen to Alec Guinness with Star Wars. He took a small salary but ended with a percentage of the gross which was millions. Earned more from that than his entire career beforehand.
Didn’t know that. Hope it’s true. Fine actor
On checking his IMDb profile it looks like it was.
Both he and George Lucas appeared for very low pay in exchange for a share of the gross. Guinness was somewhat winding down his career at the time anyway.
Lucas got the best deal - I think it was 40% of the gross of all box office and related merchandise. Made him a billionaire.
I have a vague memory of an Alec Guinness interview where he said something along the lines of he was just given a percentage after the fact and out of the blue.
He negotiated it as part of the deal according to the IMDB site.
I just looked at the interview. A bit of both in reality. Michael Parkinson. Here it is. The percentage bit starts at about 1min 50 sec. The whole thing is quite good.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
That’s fine. I made mine private when that sozzled loon Ishmael was stalking my every post. The only person online I’ve ever felt wary about knowing stuff about me and I used to post regularly on DrWho,and Pro Wrestling forums.
I always assumed people with private profiles wanted to hide their historic posts. And the few people with private profiles usually had obvious reasons for wanting their historic posts private.
Well I certainly didn’t have any such cause.
Not even the one where you claimed the 10% of the population of Birmingham is Somali?
No.
And I was referencing data that was probably incorrect.
No, you simply misunderstood the data, which was actually saying the 10% (or thereabouts, I forgot the exact figure) of the Somalian population of the UK lives in Birmingham. The funny thing was that Casino actually believed what you wrote and duly expressed his outrage. It's a classic example of the spread of misinformation.
Yeah, I misread the data. So what. I won’t be the first to do that and won’t be the last to do that. You seriously think I’d make my profile private over such a triviality 😂😂😂 it was private long before that.
No, I don't think you'd make you profile private over that; my post was meant to be tongue in cheek. We all make mistakes and say stupid things sometimes. But it is worth remembering that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Speaking of riots: I have been wondering about the FIFA events here next year. The US has, as you know, something of a gun culture. This area has an extensive drug culture, some of it quite open.
I have read that soccer fans are sometimes a bit boisterous, so I fear that they might not always get the best reception from people here. I have also read that fans from different nations don't always get along.
Moreover, our police forces are still recovering from the "defund the police" movement, sparked by the death of George Floyd. So any official responses to disturbances might not go as well as one would like.
Trump gets his hands on the trophy. May even play !
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
The left revelled in "rubbing the right's nose in diversity" didn't they.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
My sister in law and brother in law are both actors. They get by ok, but only with additional jobs. He was largely in the West End and was nominated for an Olivier award sometime ago. He would play major roles in musicals and the year he got nominated he was the lead in a well known musical. She does do a lot of theatre but is more well known for TV and has played the lead in a couple of dramas and subsidiary roles in a lot (particularly soaps), but has also had a major role in an American (I suspect made for TV) film. Her most notable roles, for me anyway, were a murderer in Taggart and a floozy in Blackadder.
We have met a number of their friends whom we see on TV a lot. They all get by but none are rich. Like a few professions those at the top command high salaries, the vast majority less so.
If you want to make insane money, guaranteed, come up with a great TV concept that sells around the world
My flint work agent represents the guy who invented Masterchef. Which has been adapted and remade in about 30 countries. They have to pay him every time they adapt it, and he gets a fee - from each country - every time an episode is broadcast
He basically sits under an Iguazu Falls of cash. Doesn’t do anything and the cheques roll in. Vast torrents of moolah. Many many millions
I don’t know why kids are worrying about the robots taking all the jobs. All they gotta do is come up with a genius TV idea that can be exported worldwide
I read an interview with Jasper Carrott the other day, I was surprised to find he part-owned the company who had the rights to Who Wants to be A Millionaire. That made more money when he sold that than all of his showbiz career.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
My sister in law and brother in law are both actors. They get by ok, but only with additional jobs. He was largely in the West End and was nominated for an Olivier award sometime ago. He would play major roles in musicals and the year he got nominated he was the lead in a well known musical. She does do a lot of theatre but is more well known for TV and has played the lead in a couple of dramas and subsidiary roles in a lot (particularly soaps), but has also had a major role in an American (I suspect made for TV) film. Her most notable roles, for me anyway, were a murderer in Taggart and a floozy in Blackadder.
We have met a number of their friends whom we see on TV a lot. They all get by but none are rich. Like a few professions those at the top command high salaries, the vast majority less so.
If you want to make insane money, guaranteed, come up with a great TV concept that sells around the world
My flint work agent represents the guy who invented Masterchef. Which has been adapted and remade in about 30 countries. They have to pay him every time they adapt it, and he gets a fee - from each country - every time an episode is broadcast
He basically sits under an Iguazu Falls of cash. Doesn’t do anything and the cheques roll in. Vast torrents of moolah. Many many millions
I don’t know why kids are worrying about the robots taking all the jobs. All they gotta do is come up with a genius TV idea that can be exported worldwide
I read an interview with Jasper Carrott the other day, I was surprised to find he part-owned the company who had the rights to Who Wants to be A Millionaire. That made more money when he sold that than all of his showbiz career.
The Ascension Island thing has to be the most batshit crazy thing said by any politician in a long while. The cost of building the infrastructure and administering it would be eye watering. And you'd be severely limited in numbers. Its just nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
That’s fine. I made mine private when that sozzled loon Ishmael was stalking my every post. The only person online I’ve ever felt wary about knowing stuff about me and I used to post regularly on DrWho,and Pro Wrestling forums.
I always assumed people with private profiles wanted to hide their historic posts. And the few people with private profiles usually had obvious reasons for wanting their historic posts private.
Well I certainly didn’t have any such cause.
Not even the one where you claimed the 10% of the population of Birmingham is Somali?
No.
And I was referencing data that was probably incorrect.
No, you simply misunderstood the data, which was actually saying the 10% (or thereabouts, I forgot the exact figure) of the Somalian population of the UK lives in Birmingham. The funny thing was that Casino actually believed what you wrote and duly expressed his outrage. It's a classic example of the spread of misinformation.
Yeah, I misread the data. So what. I won’t be the first to do that and won’t be the last to do that. You seriously think I’d make my profile private over such a triviality 😂😂😂 it was private long before that.
No, I don't think you'd make you profile private over that; my post was meant to be tongue in cheek. We all make mistakes and say stupid things sometimes. But it is worth remembering that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I also suspect that most misinformation is, an in this case, is down to cock up rather than outright malice or ill intent.
It's annoying how obvious ideas for TV shows like Millionaire and Masterchef are once they're being produced. Yet if someone else had come up with the idea first, they'd be getting the royalties instead.
It's annoying how obvious ideas for TV shows like Millionaire and Masterchef are once they're being produced. Yet if someone else had come up with the idea first, they'd be getting the royalties instead.
I think that is true of lots of ideas.
The "Attention" mechanism that was the big breakthrough that has allowed for LLMs is fairly obvious in hindsight. The maths involved is very simple.
It's annoying how obvious ideas for TV shows like Millionaire and Masterchef are once they're being produced. Yet if someone else had come up with the idea first, they'd be getting the royalties instead.
How about Deal or No Deal? Half an hour of an overweight lady from Wolverhampton opening boxes with Noel Edmonds? Obvious winner. If only I'd seen that blatant truth.
The Ascension Island thing has to be the most batshit crazy thing said by any politician in a long while. The cost of building the infrastructure and administering it would be eye watering. And you'd be severely limited in numbers. Its just nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Coming up with a worse idea than Rwanda was a challenge but it is a mistake to underestimate our political classes in this context.
There was a novel in the last 25 years about a successful Soviet/socialist/communist state. I think it was reviewed in the Guardian/Observer. Can you remind me of the title and author please?
It's annoying how obvious ideas for TV shows like Millionaire and Masterchef are once they're being produced. Yet if someone else had come up with the idea first, they'd be getting the royalties instead.
How about Deal or No Deal? Half an hour of an overweight lady from Wolverhampton opening boxes with Noel Edmonds? Obvious winner. If only I'd seen that blatant truth.
The lesson in that, students and old people will watch any old shite.
The Ascension Island thing has to be the most batshit crazy thing said by any politician in a long while. The cost of building the infrastructure and administering it would be eye watering. And you'd be severely limited in numbers. Its just nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Coming up with a worse idea than Rwanda was a challenge but it is a mistake to underestimate our political classes in this context.
I genuinely don't get why he'd even bring it up. It absolutely will not happen.
There was a novel in the last 25 years about a successful Soviet/socialist/communist state. I think it was reviewed in the Guardian/Observer. Can you remind me of the title and author please?
Copilot says:-
The novel you're thinking of is likely Another Now by Yanis Varoufakis. It’s a speculative political fiction that imagines a world where a fully-fledged, democratic socialist society has replaced capitalism. Varoufakis—an economist and former Greek finance minister—uses the book to explore what a post-capitalist world might look like if it had emerged from the ashes of the 2008 financial crisis.
The book was indeed reviewed and discussed in The Guardian, where it was described as a bold attempt to sketch out a credible alternative to neoliberal capitalism. Rather than romanticizing the Soviet model, Varoufakis envisions a technologically advanced, egalitarian society with decentralized decision-making and radically reimagined economic structures.
It's annoying how obvious ideas for TV shows like Millionaire and Masterchef are once they're being produced. Yet if someone else had come up with the idea first, they'd be getting the royalties instead.
How about Deal or No Deal? Half an hour of an overweight lady from Wolverhampton opening boxes with Noel Edmonds? Obvious winner. If only I'd seen that blatant truth.
The lesson in that, students and old people will watch any old shite.
The lesson is that Noel Edmonds is a damn good television presenter. I think he said he turned down Millionaire after Tarrant because he wanted to stay loyal, although it might have been one of the other hit quizzes.
The Ascension Island thing has to be the most batshit crazy thing said by any politician in a long while. The cost of building the infrastructure and administering it would be eye watering. And you'd be severely limited in numbers. Its just nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Is it? What if you built an El Salvador style mega prison. They take up about 0.2km square and can hold 40,000 people. That’s easily done on Ascension and wouldn’t be insanely expensive
Flying them there is presumably the massive cost? But a big jet could take 300 every flight
Hundreds of millions?
But again, as with all these schemes, when it came down do it you’d probably only have to move a few thousand and then the boats would instantly stop
It's annoying how obvious ideas for TV shows like Millionaire and Masterchef are once they're being produced. Yet if someone else had come up with the idea first, they'd be getting the royalties instead.
How about Deal or No Deal? Half an hour of an overweight lady from Wolverhampton opening boxes with Noel Edmonds? Obvious winner. If only I'd seen that blatant truth.
The lesson in that, students and old people will watch any old shite.
The lesson is that Noel Edmonds is a damn good television presenter. I think he said he turned down Millionaire after Tarrant because he wanted to stay loyal, although it might have been one of the other hit quizzes.
Fair comment, it is quite a skill to make opening some boxes and answer a phone once in while to be entertaining (for some). I couldn't watch it as I did the EV calcs and drove me mad at the moronic decisions.
The Ascension Island thing has to be the most batshit crazy thing said by any politician in a long while. The cost of building the infrastructure and administering it would be eye watering. And you'd be severely limited in numbers. Its just nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Coming up with a worse idea than Rwanda was a challenge but it is a mistake to underestimate our political classes in this context.
I genuinely don't get why he'd even bring it up. It absolutely will not happen.
Here's a theory on that, which sounds plausible, even if it comes from someone at not The New European;
But he [Farage] isn’t setting the agenda. The online far right in the UK don’t particularly trust him. They’re not sure he’s really onside or extreme enough for them. His position has had to shift rapidly in response. He’s not at the tiller, he’s responding to events.
The Ascension Island thing has to be the most batshit crazy thing said by any politician in a long while. The cost of building the infrastructure and administering it would be eye watering. And you'd be severely limited in numbers. Its just nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Coming up with a worse idea than Rwanda was a challenge but it is a mistake to underestimate our political classes in this context.
I genuinely don't get why he'd even bring it up. It absolutely will not happen.
It's annoying how obvious ideas for TV shows like Millionaire and Masterchef are once they're being produced. Yet if someone else had come up with the idea first, they'd be getting the royalties instead.
It's annoying how obvious ideas for TV shows like Millionaire and Masterchef are once they're being produced. Yet if someone else had come up with the idea first, they'd be getting the royalties instead.
It’s often the same with great tunes. They feel kind of “obvious” when you hear them. Almost as if you’ve heard them before
They pre-exist. In a superposition on the cusp of creation
The Ascension Island thing has to be the most batshit crazy thing said by any politician in a long while. The cost of building the infrastructure and administering it would be eye watering. And you'd be severely limited in numbers. Its just nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Coming up with a worse idea than Rwanda was a challenge but it is a mistake to underestimate our political classes in this context.
I genuinely don't get why he'd even bring it up. It absolutely will not happen.
Here's a theory on that, which sounds plausible, even if it comes from someone at not The New European;
But he [Farage] isn’t setting the agenda. The online far right in the UK don’t particularly trust him. They’re not sure he’s really onside or extreme enough for them. His position has had to shift rapidly in response. He’s not at the tiller, he’s responding to events.
It's annoying how obvious ideas for TV shows like Millionaire and Masterchef are once they're being produced. Yet if someone else had come up with the idea first, they'd be getting the royalties instead.
It's annoying how obvious ideas for TV shows like Millionaire and Masterchef are once they're being produced. Yet if someone else had come up with the idea first, they'd be getting the royalties instead.
It’s often the same with great tunes. They feel kind of “obvious” when you hear them. Almost as if you’ve heard them before
They pre-exist. In a superposition on the cusp of creation
It's annoying how obvious ideas for TV shows like Millionaire and Masterchef are once they're being produced. Yet if someone else had come up with the idea first, they'd be getting the royalties instead.
How about Deal or No Deal? Half an hour of an overweight lady from Wolverhampton opening boxes with Noel Edmonds? Obvious winner. If only I'd seen that blatant truth.
The lesson in that, students and old people will watch any old shite.
The lesson is that Noel Edmonds is a damn good television presenter. I think he said he turned down Millionaire after Tarrant because he wanted to stay loyal, although it might have been one of the other hit quizzes.
Fair comment, it is quite a skill to make opening some boxes and answer a phone once in be entertaining (for some). I couldn't watch it as I did the EV calcs and drove me mad at the moronic decisions.
It's annoying how obvious ideas for TV shows like Millionaire and Masterchef are once they're being produced. Yet if someone else had come up with the idea first, they'd be getting the royalties instead.
It's annoying how obvious ideas for TV shows like Millionaire and Masterchef are once they're being produced. Yet if someone else had come up with the idea first, they'd be getting the royalties instead.
It’s often the same with great tunes. They feel kind of “obvious” when you hear them. Almost as if you’ve heard them before
They pre-exist. In a superposition on the cusp of creation
I paraphrase, but Dylan once said he hated being asked how he wrote his songs, due to the undertones of malevolent jealousy. Like they were really asking how come those songs came to you? And not me?
There was a novel in the last 25 years about a successful Soviet/socialist/communist state. I think it was reviewed in the Guardian/Observer. Can you remind me of the title and author please?
It's annoying how obvious ideas for TV shows like Millionaire and Masterchef are once they're being produced. Yet if someone else had come up with the idea first, they'd be getting the royalties instead.
It's annoying how obvious ideas for TV shows like Millionaire and Masterchef are once they're being produced. Yet if someone else had come up with the idea first, they'd be getting the royalties instead.
It’s often the same with great tunes. They feel kind of “obvious” when you hear them. Almost as if you’ve heard them before
They pre-exist. In a superposition on the cusp of creation
I find it quite interesting when people track back the inspiration / samples for certain songs. The leap seems so "obvious", but of course it both is and it isn't.
The Ascension Island thing has to be the most batshit crazy thing said by any politician in a long while. The cost of building the infrastructure and administering it would be eye watering. And you'd be severely limited in numbers. Its just nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Is it? What if you built an El Salvador style mega prison. They take up about 0.2km square and can hold 40,000 people. That’s easily done on Ascension and wouldn’t be insanely expensive
Flying them there is presumably the massive cost? But a big jet could take 300 every flight
Hundreds of millions?
But again, as with all these schemes, when it came down do it you’d probably only have to move a few thousand and then the boats would instantly stop
Who staffs it, where do they live? Where do the contractors building it live? Where is the infrastructure for food and other provisions? Ascension has a population of 800 people in 3 very small villages, no port facilities and a single runway on an RAF base with 19 personnel plus 2 on detachment from US Space Command. Its just nonsense. Cost of living crisis? Fuck it, build impractical shit on a faraway island for billions as a 'deterrent'. Its like he wants to fail and piss everyone off
There was a novel in the last 25 years about a successful Soviet/socialist/communist state. I think it was reviewed in the Guardian/Observer. Can you remind me of the title and author please?
The Ascension Island thing has to be the most batshit crazy thing said by any politician in a long while. The cost of building the infrastructure and administering it would be eye watering. And you'd be severely limited in numbers. Its just nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Coming up with a worse idea than Rwanda was a challenge but it is a mistake to underestimate our political classes in this context.
I genuinely don't get why he'd even bring it up. It absolutely will not happen.
Here's a theory on that, which sounds plausible, even if it comes from someone at not The New European;
But he [Farage] isn’t setting the agenda. The online far right in the UK don’t particularly trust him. They’re not sure he’s really onside or extreme enough for them. His position has had to shift rapidly in response. He’s not at the tiller, he’s responding to events.
The Ascension Island thing has to be the most batshit crazy thing said by any politician in a long while. The cost of building the infrastructure and administering it would be eye watering. And you'd be severely limited in numbers. Its just nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Is it? What if you built an El Salvador style mega prison. They take up about 0.2km square and can hold 40,000 people. That’s easily done on Ascension and wouldn’t be insanely expensive
Flying them there is presumably the massive cost? But a big jet could take 300 every flight
Hundreds of millions?
But again, as with all these schemes, when it came down do it you’d probably only have to move a few thousand and then the boats would instantly stop
Who staffs it, where do they live? Where do the contractors building it live? Where is the infrastructure for food and other provisions? Ascension has a population of 800 people in 3 very small villages, no port facilities and a single runway on an RAF base with 19 personnel plus 2 on detachment from US Space Command. Its just nonsense. Cost of living crisis? Fuck it, build impractical shit on a faraway island for billions as a 'deterrent'. Its like he wants to fail and piss everyone off
What a load of inadequate waffle
We spend, AIUI, £5 BILLION a year on housing and the like for asylum seekers. Plus all the other hidden costs for society
Would it be easy to build a mega jail on ascension? No. Would it solve the problem? Yes. Would it cost less than £5 billion a year? Yes of course
What we lack is the will and the spine to get this done
The Ascension Island thing has to be the most batshit crazy thing said by any politician in a long while. The cost of building the infrastructure and administering it would be eye watering. And you'd be severely limited in numbers. Its just nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Coming up with a worse idea than Rwanda was a challenge but it is a mistake to underestimate our political classes in this context.
I genuinely don't get why he'd even bring it up. It absolutely will not happen.
Here's a theory on that, which sounds plausible, even if it comes from someone at not The New European;
But he [Farage] isn’t setting the agenda. The online far right in the UK don’t particularly trust him. They’re not sure he’s really onside or extreme enough for them. His position has had to shift rapidly in response. He’s not at the tiller, he’s responding to events.
Farage has always distanced himself from the violent extremists. Nige was never going to be manning the barricades.
That's because our Nigel is a pro. Distance himself from the actual thugs whilst saying just enough, sotto voce enough, to sound like he understands their concerns.
Trouble is that there are people like Rupert Lowe who don't know the difference between a dog whistle and a foghorn.
The Ascension Island thing has to be the most batshit crazy thing said by any politician in a long while. The cost of building the infrastructure and administering it would be eye watering. And you'd be severely limited in numbers. Its just nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Is it? What if you built an El Salvador style mega prison. They take up about 0.2km square and can hold 40,000 people. That’s easily done on Ascension and wouldn’t be insanely expensive
Flying them there is presumably the massive cost? But a big jet could take 300 every flight
Hundreds of millions?
But again, as with all these schemes, when it came down do it you’d probably only have to move a few thousand and then the boats would instantly stop
Who staffs it, where do they live? Where do the contractors building it live? Where is the infrastructure for food and other provisions? Ascension has a population of 800 people in 3 very small villages, no port facilities and a single runway on an RAF base with 19 personnel plus 2 on detachment from US Space Command. Its just nonsense. Cost of living crisis? Fuck it, build impractical shit on a faraway island for billions as a 'deterrent'. Its like he wants to fail and piss everyone off
What a load of inadequate waffle
We spend, AIUI, £5 BILLION a year on housing and the like for asylum seekers. Plus all the other hidden costs for society
Would it be easy to build a mega jail on ascension? No. Would it solve the problem? Yes. Would it cost less than £5 billion a year? Yes of course
What we lack is the will and the spine to get this done
Marvellously delusional. If it's a matter of building a mega jail this could be readily done on Hampstead Heath or Primrose Hill.
However it's a matter of telling lunatics that there is somewhere far away that is somewhere else that doesn't matter where even if Lord of the Flies is acted out for ever no-one notices or minds.
The thought that the residents of Ascension will be as traditional and conservative about their island and their rights as the people of Hampstead and Epping doesn't arise.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
Looks bad but has it been independently verified ?
Not quite. Hence my caution. Grok thinks it’s probably real
There was another violent flag-related incident in York which HAS been exaggerated (I think) so 🤷🏼♂️
It might be a good idea to check out whether stuff is actually genuine before posting it and and flapping about in your pre-twisted knickers.
In other news, I am sitting out in central London enjoying a cooler morning than of late; there are no flags out anywhere to be seen, no-one is trying to steal my phone despite my typing away on PB, and life goes on as usual with no hint of either imminent civil strife or economic collapse. There are even people of different ethnic background all out enjoying the late summer day together.
This is what I tend to find when I brush up and get myself out and about.
I'm taking a walk around Ashfield later on to see where we are with flag floggers.
It's annoying how obvious ideas for TV shows like Millionaire and Masterchef are once they're being produced. Yet if someone else had come up with the idea first, they'd be getting the royalties instead.
How about Deal or No Deal? Half an hour of an overweight lady from Wolverhampton opening boxes with Noel Edmonds? Obvious winner. If only I'd seen that blatant truth.
The genius in that is how after the result the game goes on to see what the person would have won if they hadn't settled. It's just as tense as the first bit. It plays on psychology in that winning say £50k when you would have won £250k feels gutting even though you're £50k richer. And the contestant always trying to stay cheerful and not bothered. Bit nasty, really, but very effective. And of course Edmonds, strange little man in many ways but really knows his way around a tv studio.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
I’ve made his profile public again.
Leon, for the final time stop making your profile private.
But others are allowed to be private
If this is a rule for all, fair enough. If you are singling out me, alone, and applying this rule solely to me, then we have an issue
It applies to everybody.
When I am in front of the laptop I’ll see who else is private and update their profiles accordingly.
There are quite a lot of PBers who are private. Several on here right now
Including me.
I didn’t know it was a rule to be honest.
It makes searching for comments in relation to moderation difficult.
In the past Vanilla allowed us to disable private profiles then they had an upgrade.
All a public profile will show is your username and your past comments (and the last time you logged on).
It will not allow others to see your email/IP addresses.
I see you’ve now switched my profile to public, for me
As you’ve done that, you can also do it to @Eabhal and @Dura_Ace and @Roger and @Taz - as they are also private. Nothing is stopping you doing that right now as you have done it to me
Don Estelle had an incredible voice. By all accounts, he was strapped for cash in his later years once his star had faded. The same is true of many former politicians, and every landslide brings stories of unemployed ex-MPs as reliably as it does of paper candidates surprisingly elected.
Yes, he was typecast. He used to go round shopping centres singing and selling his cassettes of his songs. Just to earn a living. Residuals from It Ain’t Half Hot Mum were not great as it did not get the repeat viewings other Perry/croft stuff did. He was Similar to faded seventies comedians playing holiday parks and flogging their cassettes.
I do not mix in showbiz circles but a foaf was a soap regular back in the 1980s and I was surprised to learn she was paid only a middle class professional salary. What the red-tops might pay for a single juicy leak. Adverts and ‘corporates’ were where the big money was. Things are probably different now, and not necessarily in a good way.
I do mix in showbiz circles and I hear some amazing stories of huge money
Eg an acquaintance of mine - a British actor - has just landed a minor role in a popular US sitcom. He appears in each programme for about a minute, on average
He was quite broke til he landed this gig. Now? He’s making $300,000 a year. For about twenty minutes work, on a screen, per year
And don’t get me onto writers. I heard the other day about the writer of a very well known tv series. A big hit in the UK, then the USA
It was so big Hollywood was determined to make multiple movies out of it and new tv adaptations and so on
Then holywood discovered that his canny agent had put - in his very first contract - that he would get a hefty percentage of the worldwide GROSS the movies and new tv stuff made. Plus a huge fee simply for agreeing to this
As a result he has made - I kid you not - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds. Not just a lot of millions. Hundreds
Me? Jealous? No! I’m happy in flint world
🤯
Didn’t that happen to Alec Guinness with Star Wars. He took a small salary but ended with a percentage of the gross which was millions. Earned more from that than his entire career beforehand.
Didn’t know that. Hope it’s true. Fine actor
On checking his IMDb profile it looks like it was.
Both he and George Lucas appeared for very low pay in exchange for a share of the gross. Guinness was somewhat winding down his career at the time anyway.
Lucas got the best deal - I think it was 40% of the gross of all box office and related merchandise. Made him a billionaire.
I have a vague memory of an Alec Guinness interview where he said something along the lines of he was just given a percentage after the fact and out of the blue.
He negotiated it as part of the deal according to the IMDB site.
The Ascension Island thing has to be the most batshit crazy thing said by any politician in a long while. The cost of building the infrastructure and administering it would be eye watering. And you'd be severely limited in numbers. Its just nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Is it? What if you built an El Salvador style mega prison. They take up about 0.2km square and can hold 40,000 people. That’s easily done on Ascension and wouldn’t be insanely expensive
Flying them there is presumably the massive cost? But a big jet could take 300 every flight
Hundreds of millions?
But again, as with all these schemes, when it came down do it you’d probably only have to move a few thousand and then the boats would instantly stop
Who staffs it, where do they live? Where do the contractors building it live? Where is the infrastructure for food and other provisions? Ascension has a population of 800 people in 3 very small villages, no port facilities and a single runway on an RAF base with 19 personnel plus 2 on detachment from US Space Command. Its just nonsense. Cost of living crisis? Fuck it, build impractical shit on a faraway island for billions as a 'deterrent'. Its like he wants to fail and piss everyone off
What a load of inadequate waffle
We spend, AIUI, £5 BILLION a year on housing and the like for asylum seekers. Plus all the other hidden costs for society
Would it be easy to build a mega jail on ascension? No. Would it solve the problem? Yes. Would it cost less than £5 billion a year? Yes of course
What we lack is the will and the spine to get this done
Victory of the will or not, you can't magic a water supply out of thin air. Another problem with Ascension. Clue: there are no nearby lakes or river systems to use.
It's annoying how obvious ideas for TV shows like Millionaire and Masterchef are once they're being produced. Yet if someone else had come up with the idea first, they'd be getting the royalties instead.
How about Deal or No Deal? Half an hour of an overweight lady from Wolverhampton opening boxes with Noel Edmonds? Obvious winner. If only I'd seen that blatant truth.
The genius in that is how after the result the game goes on to see what the person would have won if they hadn't settled. It's just as tense as the first bit. It plays on psychology in that winning say £50k when you would have won £250k feels gutting even though you're £50k richer. And the contestant always trying to stay cheerful and not bothered. Bit nasty, really, but very effective. And of course Edmonds, strange little man in many ways but really knows his way around a tv studio.
Look at what you could have won.....copyright Jim Bowen.
It's annoying how obvious ideas for TV shows like Millionaire and Masterchef are once they're being produced. Yet if someone else had come up with the idea first, they'd be getting the royalties instead.
How about Deal or No Deal? Half an hour of an overweight lady from Wolverhampton opening boxes with Noel Edmonds? Obvious winner. If only I'd seen that blatant truth.
The genius in that is how after the result the game goes on to see what the person would have won if they hadn't settled. It's just as tense as the first bit. It plays on psychology in that winning say £50k when you would have won £250k feels gutting even though you're £50k richer. And the contestant always trying to stay cheerful and not bothered. Bit nasty, really, but very effective. And of course Edmonds, strange little man in many ways but really knows his way around a tv studio.
Look at what you could have won.....copyright Jim Bowen.
We get that on PB after every election and by-election.
Professor Google says El Salvador spent $100m building its biggest mega prison, which holds 40,000 inmates
Let’s multiply that by 5 as doing it on ascension will be much harder. $500m. But once it’s built it’s built
Then you have to staff it. The Salvador jail apparently has 850 staff - guards and soldiers. That’s 850 salaries - pay them generously for a hardship posting -
Give them £50k a year tax free. A big incentive. That’s £40m a year. Fuck it give them £100k. £80m
Then you’ve got to build housing for them. £100m? £200m? Seems a lot but let’s err on the side of overstatement again
Then the annual cost of running it. The jail in El Salvador supposedly costs about $100m a year (but that’s probably including salaries) but let’s use it anyway
Total to build and run for the first year about £900m? Add in £100m for flights. That’s £1bn
ie 20% of what we spent on asylum seekers in 2023-2024
So it can be done quite easily and it would be much cheaper than the present system. Costs would also plunge after the first year (the building is done) and besides, after six months the boats would stop. End of problem
The Ascension Island thing has to be the most batshit crazy thing said by any politician in a long while. The cost of building the infrastructure and administering it would be eye watering. And you'd be severely limited in numbers. Its just nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Coming up with a worse idea than Rwanda was a challenge but it is a mistake to underestimate our political classes in this context.
I genuinely don't get why he'd even bring it up. It absolutely will not happen.
Here's a theory on that, which sounds plausible, even if it comes from someone at not The New European;
But he [Farage] isn’t setting the agenda. The online far right in the UK don’t particularly trust him. They’re not sure he’s really onside or extreme enough for them. His position has had to shift rapidly in response. He’s not at the tiller, he’s responding to events.
The Ascension Island thing has to be the most batshit crazy thing said by any politician in a long while. The cost of building the infrastructure and administering it would be eye watering. And you'd be severely limited in numbers. Its just nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Is it? What if you built an El Salvador style mega prison. They take up about 0.2km square and can hold 40,000 people. That’s easily done on Ascension and wouldn’t be insanely expensive
Flying them there is presumably the massive cost? But a big jet could take 300 every flight
Hundreds of millions?
But again, as with all these schemes, when it came down do it you’d probably only have to move a few thousand and then the boats would instantly stop
Who staffs it, where do they live? Where do the contractors building it live? Where is the infrastructure for food and other provisions? Ascension has a population of 800 people in 3 very small villages, no port facilities and a single runway on an RAF base with 19 personnel plus 2 on detachment from US Space Command. Its just nonsense. Cost of living crisis? Fuck it, build impractical shit on a faraway island for billions as a 'deterrent'. Its like he wants to fail and piss everyone off
What a load of inadequate waffle
We spend, AIUI, £5 BILLION a year on housing and the like for asylum seekers. Plus all the other hidden costs for society
Would it be easy to build a mega jail on ascension? No. Would it solve the problem? Yes. Would it cost less than £5 billion a year? Yes of course
What we lack is the will and the spine to get this done
Just build a camp here. If we are going to be deporting all illegal asylum seekers why would we need mega prisons in the Atlantic?
It's annoying how obvious ideas for TV shows like Millionaire and Masterchef are once they're being produced. Yet if someone else had come up with the idea first, they'd be getting the royalties instead.
How about Deal or No Deal? Half an hour of an overweight lady from Wolverhampton opening boxes with Noel Edmonds? Obvious winner. If only I'd seen that blatant truth.
The genius in that is how after the result the game goes on to see what the person would have won if they hadn't settled. It's just as tense as the first bit. It plays on psychology in that winning say £50k when you would have won £250k feels gutting even though you're £50k richer. And the contestant always trying to stay cheerful and not bothered. Bit nasty, really, but very effective. And of course Edmonds, strange little man in many ways but really knows his way around a tv studio.
Look at what you could have won.....copyright Jim Bowen.
The Ascension Island thing has to be the most batshit crazy thing said by any politician in a long while. The cost of building the infrastructure and administering it would be eye watering. And you'd be severely limited in numbers. Its just nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Is it? What if you built an El Salvador style mega prison. They take up about 0.2km square and can hold 40,000 people. That’s easily done on Ascension and wouldn’t be insanely expensive
Flying them there is presumably the massive cost? But a big jet could take 300 every flight
Hundreds of millions?
But again, as with all these schemes, when it came down do it you’d probably only have to move a few thousand and then the boats would instantly stop
Who staffs it, where do they live? Where do the contractors building it live? Where is the infrastructure for food and other provisions? Ascension has a population of 800 people in 3 very small villages, no port facilities and a single runway on an RAF base with 19 personnel plus 2 on detachment from US Space Command. Its just nonsense. Cost of living crisis? Fuck it, build impractical shit on a faraway island for billions as a 'deterrent'. Its like he wants to fail and piss everyone off
What a load of inadequate waffle
We spend, AIUI, £5 BILLION a year on housing and the like for asylum seekers. Plus all the other hidden costs for society
Would it be easy to build a mega jail on ascension? No. Would it solve the problem? Yes. Would it cost less than £5 billion a year? Yes of course
What we lack is the will and the spine to get this done
Victory of the will or not, you can't magic a water supply out of thin air. Another problem with Ascension. Clue: there are no nearby lakes or river systems to use.
There is this thing called desalination. They already do it in various places. Such as Ascension Island
All these objections to the idea are a smoke screen and a diversion. That’s why they are so easily batted aside
The real reason this feels impossible is that emotionally we resist it. The idea feels so wrong and immoral - we are not El Salvador and we don’t put people in mega jails. And I totally respect that position, indeed I may even agree with it
But practically this could be done if we really wanted, and it would also save lives in the end
The Ascension Island thing has to be the most batshit crazy thing said by any politician in a long while. The cost of building the infrastructure and administering it would be eye watering. And you'd be severely limited in numbers. Its just nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Is it? What if you built an El Salvador style mega prison. They take up about 0.2km square and can hold 40,000 people. That’s easily done on Ascension and wouldn’t be insanely expensive
Flying them there is presumably the massive cost? But a big jet could take 300 every flight
Hundreds of millions?
But again, as with all these schemes, when it came down do it you’d probably only have to move a few thousand and then the boats would instantly stop
Who staffs it, where do they live? Where do the contractors building it live? Where is the infrastructure for food and other provisions? Ascension has a population of 800 people in 3 very small villages, no port facilities and a single runway on an RAF base with 19 personnel plus 2 on detachment from US Space Command. Its just nonsense. Cost of living crisis? Fuck it, build impractical shit on a faraway island for billions as a 'deterrent'. Its like he wants to fail and piss everyone off
What a load of inadequate waffle
We spend, AIUI, £5 BILLION a year on housing and the like for asylum seekers. Plus all the other hidden costs for society
Would it be easy to build a mega jail on ascension? No. Would it solve the problem? Yes. Would it cost less than £5 billion a year? Yes of course
What we lack is the will and the spine to get this done
Just build a camp here. If we are going to be deporting all illegal asylum seekers why would we need mega prisons in the Atlantic?
I think the feeling is these people aren't fit to share this sceptred isle of ours even for a short period.
Looks like the Stevenage “fire bomb” report has been verified
“Hertfordshire Police has confirmed to @GBNEWS that it is investigating reports of an assault overnight in Stevenage.
Chief Inspector Sarah Gilbertson said: “It appears that the victim was struck by a glass bottle containing a lit rag and sustained a cut to his head.””
That was an attack on the flag hangers. Stage 3, David Betz Effect
Far righties out hanging flags unlawfully in the early hours.
I wonder if they will make a police report?
Thyme To Crusade @HertsStandUp · 12h Shocking incident in Stevenage tonight just after midnight. Petrol bombs thrown over a garden at our cars as we were leaving after 3 hours of putting up England flags. A second bomb was hurled at us as we drove off. @HertsPatriots was hit directly in the face. 🙏🏴 https://x.com/HertsStandUp/status/1959062291351326992
The Ascension Island thing has to be the most batshit crazy thing said by any politician in a long while. The cost of building the infrastructure and administering it would be eye watering. And you'd be severely limited in numbers. Its just nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Is it? What if you built an El Salvador style mega prison. They take up about 0.2km square and can hold 40,000 people. That’s easily done on Ascension and wouldn’t be insanely expensive
Flying them there is presumably the massive cost? But a big jet could take 300 every flight
Hundreds of millions?
But again, as with all these schemes, when it came down do it you’d probably only have to move a few thousand and then the boats would instantly stop
Who staffs it, where do they live? Where do the contractors building it live? Where is the infrastructure for food and other provisions? Ascension has a population of 800 people in 3 very small villages, no port facilities and a single runway on an RAF base with 19 personnel plus 2 on detachment from US Space Command. Its just nonsense. Cost of living crisis? Fuck it, build impractical shit on a faraway island for billions as a 'deterrent'. Its like he wants to fail and piss everyone off
What a load of inadequate waffle
We spend, AIUI, £5 BILLION a year on housing and the like for asylum seekers. Plus all the other hidden costs for society
Would it be easy to build a mega jail on ascension? No. Would it solve the problem? Yes. Would it cost less than £5 billion a year? Yes of course
What we lack is the will and the spine to get this done
Just build a camp here. If we are going to be deporting all illegal asylum seekers why would we need mega prisons in the Atlantic?
Because YOU were the one who said No this Ascension idea literally can’t be done
And I’ve pointed out that it can
Otherwise I agree with you. If we’re going to take this ruthless route we could build a mega jail in the uk. Some uninhabited island. Dartmoor. Whatever. It could be done - IF we so desired
The Ascension Island thing has to be the most batshit crazy thing said by any politician in a long while. The cost of building the infrastructure and administering it would be eye watering. And you'd be severely limited in numbers. Its just nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
Is it? What if you built an El Salvador style mega prison. They take up about 0.2km square and can hold 40,000 people. That’s easily done on Ascension and wouldn’t be insanely expensive
Flying them there is presumably the massive cost? But a big jet could take 300 every flight
Hundreds of millions?
But again, as with all these schemes, when it came down do it you’d probably only have to move a few thousand and then the boats would instantly stop
Who staffs it, where do they live? Where do the contractors building it live? Where is the infrastructure for food and other provisions? Ascension has a population of 800 people in 3 very small villages, no port facilities and a single runway on an RAF base with 19 personnel plus 2 on detachment from US Space Command. Its just nonsense. Cost of living crisis? Fuck it, build impractical shit on a faraway island for billions as a 'deterrent'. Its like he wants to fail and piss everyone off
What a load of inadequate waffle
We spend, AIUI, £5 BILLION a year on housing and the like for asylum seekers. Plus all the other hidden costs for society
Would it be easy to build a mega jail on ascension? No. Would it solve the problem? Yes. Would it cost less than £5 billion a year? Yes of course
What we lack is the will and the spine to get this done
Just build a camp here. If we are going to be deporting all illegal asylum seekers why would we need mega prisons in the Atlantic?
Because YOU were the one who said No this Ascension idea literally can’t be done
And I’ve pointed out that it can
Otherwise I agree with you. If we’re going to take this ruthless route we could build a mega jail in the uk. Some uninhabited island. Dartmoor. Whatever. It could be done - IF we so desired
I said it was nonsense, which it is, but point taken, it is within the realms of things that can exist.
I mean I could set off anti clockwise round the coast to walk from Caister to Yarmouth if I absolutely had the will to do it.
In this one-minute clip from The Rest is Politics, Rory suggests most pundits are wrongly framing Trump's position on Ukraine, which leads them to say he was outmanoeuvred. Looked at from another angle, Trump might be succeeding.
FWIW I think Rory is about right. He has been on this line for a time.
Two things, one certain, the other likely. Certain: Trump thinks Europe is two power blocs, Russian and western and that exactly where the dividing line comes somewhere in central Europe - which is in fact what the current war is about in his mind - is a matter for Europe and he doesn't care.
Likely: That Trump is actively pro Russia.
Realist conclusion: It is obvious that USA is not willing to risk a single soldier's life over where that boundary is drawn in this war.
Next realist conclusion: It is not yet obvious that a single large 'western' (NATO) country is willing to either.
'Security guarantees' means risking your soldiers' lives. No western leader has yet said so. When they do we shall know they are serious.
Rory is such a loss to front line politics. We desperately need people like him, people capable of actually thinking and analysing the problems we have.
I agree with him that Trump really doesn't care about Europe, the Ukraine or NATO. As far as he is concerned why should US resources be wasted on this? What's in it for them? As Charles De Gaulle said, "countries have interests, not friends." On this it is us that are deluding ourselves, not Trump. If Europe decides it has an interest in preventing Russia's aggression in Ukraine succeeding, and we do, we must do something about it. Expecting the Americans to bail us out is both pathetic and unrealistic.
This Rory Stewart:
Kamala Harris will win comfortably, because:
• Biden’s admin has been solid • Trump’s lost ground since 2016 • The young Black male votes which Trump needs didn’t turn out in 16, 18, 20, or 22 • Young women like Kamala + vote ✴️Ignore polls—they’re herding, after past misses
Stewart is the type of 'expert' who sees nothing wrong with unrestricted illegal immigration but gets upset about the possibility of them being deported.
RS getting one prediction wrong is a single data point and says nothing about him except that occasion.
Your last para is straw manning a touch.
He's been arguing for a deal with France to send all people from small boats back instantly, alongside opening legal routes, on the basis that that will then remove any incentive for small boat crossings.
Professor Google says El Salvador spent $100m building its biggest mega prison, which holds 40,000 inmates
Let’s multiply that by 5 as doing it on ascension will be much harder. $500m. But once it’s built it’s built
Then you have to staff it. The Salvador jail apparently has 850 staff - guards and soldiers. That’s 850 salaries - pay them generously for a hardship posting -
Give them £50k a year tax free. A big incentive. That’s £40m a year. Fuck it give them £100k. £80m
Then you’ve got to build housing for them. £100m? £200m? Seems a lot but let’s err on the side of overstatement again
Then the annual cost of running it. The jail in El Salvador supposedly costs about $100m a year (but that’s probably including salaries) but let’s use it anyway
Total to build and run for the first year about £900m? Add in £100m for flights. That’s £1bn
ie 20% of what we spent on asylum seekers in 2023-2024
So it can be done quite easily and it would be much cheaper than the present system. Costs would also plunge after the first year (the building is done) and besides, after six months the boats would stop. End of problem
You forgot the special tunnel that would have to be dug underneath the prison so that migrating Ascension newt can continue to cross the island safely.
In this one-minute clip from The Rest is Politics, Rory suggests most pundits are wrongly framing Trump's position on Ukraine, which leads them to say he was outmanoeuvred. Looked at from another angle, Trump might be succeeding.
FWIW I think Rory is about right. He has been on this line for a time.
Two things, one certain, the other likely. Certain: Trump thinks Europe is two power blocs, Russian and western and that exactly where the dividing line comes somewhere in central Europe - which is in fact what the current war is about in his mind - is a matter for Europe and he doesn't care.
Likely: That Trump is actively pro Russia.
Realist conclusion: It is obvious that USA is not willing to risk a single soldier's life over where that boundary is drawn in this war.
Next realist conclusion: It is not yet obvious that a single large 'western' (NATO) country is willing to either.
'Security guarantees' means risking your soldiers' lives. No western leader has yet said so. When they do we shall know they are serious.
Rory is such a loss to front line politics. We desperately need people like him, people capable of actually thinking and analysing the problems we have.
I agree with him that Trump really doesn't care about Europe, the Ukraine or NATO. As far as he is concerned why should US resources be wasted on this? What's in it for them? As Charles De Gaulle said, "countries have interests, not friends." On this it is us that are deluding ourselves, not Trump. If Europe decides it has an interest in preventing Russia's aggression in Ukraine succeeding, and we do, we must do something about it. Expecting the Americans to bail us out is both pathetic and unrealistic.
This Rory Stewart:
Kamala Harris will win comfortably, because:
• Biden’s admin has been solid • Trump’s lost ground since 2016 • The young Black male votes which Trump needs didn’t turn out in 16, 18, 20, or 22 • Young women like Kamala + vote ✴️Ignore polls—they’re herding, after past misses
Stewart is the type of 'expert' who sees nothing wrong with unrestricted illegal immigration but gets upset about the possibility of them being deported.
RS getting one prediction wrong is a single data point and says nothing about him except that occasion.
Your last para is straw manning a touch.
He's been arguing for a deal with France to send all people from small boats back instantly, alongside opening legal routes, on the basis that that will then remove any incentive for small boat crossings.
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
Well it looks like you’re about to drive me off the site, as @TSE is imposing a unique rule, solely for me, that if I post on here my profile must be public. But this only applies to me
If so, well done
No desire to do so @leon. See my response to @TheScreamingEagles made before I saw your post. You should not be treated differently. My motive was that I was unable to see a post of yours that I wanted to reference which is perfectly reasonable.
Fair enough
By the way you do realise you can search vanilla by keyword? So, if you remember a comment well enough, it’s really not hard to find. And “privacy” does not stop you searching any comments with that method
I wrote a scraper, a little time ago. Turned PB, going back to the available start into a database.
Speaking of riots: I have been wondering about the FIFA events here next year. The US has, as you know, something of a gun culture. This area has an extensive drug culture, some of it quite open.
I have read that soccer fans are sometimes a bit boisterous, so I fear that they might not always get the best reception from people here. I have also read that fans from different nations don't always get along.
Moreover, our police forces are still recovering from the "defund the police" movement, sparked by the death of George Floyd. So any official responses to disturbances might not go as well as one would like.
I don't think there was any trouble in Qatar in 2022 or in Russia in 2018* or Brazil 2014 or South Africa in 2010.
So why should thereby in a very spread out Canada/Mexico/USA world Cup?
* I remember blood curdling stories of how Russian thugs were going to murder England fans. The reality was not even much drunkeness. I know, because I was there!
Looks like the Stevenage “fire bomb” report has been verified
“Hertfordshire Police has confirmed to @GBNEWS that it is investigating reports of an assault overnight in Stevenage.
Chief Inspector Sarah Gilbertson said: “It appears that the victim was struck by a glass bottle containing a lit rag and sustained a cut to his head.””
That was an attack on the flag hangers. Stage 3, David Betz Effect
Far righties out hanging flags unlawfully in the early hours.
I wonder if they will make a police report?
Thyme To Crusade @HertsStandUp · 12h Shocking incident in Stevenage tonight just after midnight. Petrol bombs thrown over a garden at our cars as we were leaving after 3 hours of putting up England flags. A second bomb was hurled at us as we drove off. @HertsPatriots was hit directly in the face. 🙏🏴 https://x.com/HertsStandUp/status/1959062291351326992
Why don’t they put the flags up in the day ? Maybe they’ll get a front page in tomorrows right wing papers where they can play the victim !
Professor David “there’s gonna be a civil war” Betz might be feeling smug this morning
Looks like some flag hangers were attacked with petrol bombs last night. We can’t know for sure but the video is convincing
If this is true this is exactly what he’s been predicting. The “locals” will react with displays of anger and protests, but then THOSE will be met with violence from others. And so it spirals
I don't know why you encourage this. It is appalling. It is also very sad if the flag of St George and Union Jack become associated with extreme right wing groups once more. For decades from the 70s it was an embarrassment to hang out these flags without being associated with the BNP or football thugs. They had hijacked them. Finally we got to the stage where you could display these flags with pride without being a racist or thug. You are encouraging the undoing of all of that once more. Shame on you and those doing this.
To add evidence to that it is clearly localised in areas where conflict is more likely. Where I live in a posh bit of Surrey there is not a single flag to be seen. In Southwold the only flags are the ones that have always been there.
Again, how am I “encouraging” violent attacks on flag hangers? Show me
The centrist Dorks on PB want to blame me for what is happening out there in the UK, and for me telling them about it. I like to think I’m a powerful and influential figure in the lithic sex toy carving business, but no I do not control the actions and beliefs of millions of people around the UK. Get a grip
Well you are certainly encouraging it. Definition: 'giving someone support or confidence; supportive'
There you go. I have shown you. That was easy. Next.
I accept you are not very good at it, but that wasn't the challenge.
At most, I’m encouraging people to put up patriotic flags. But I’m not even sure I’ve done that particularly. I’ve noted that it’s happening, is more the case
You’ll be pushed to find a comment where I encourage people to attack the flag hangers
You are revelling in it. And let's be clear you are not encouraging them to put up patriotic flags for patriotic reasons, you are doing it to provoke a response and you said so in one of your posts the other days. You were enjoying the prospect of such. But you have made your account private so I can't easily go and find that post. How about unprivatising your posts so we can see these posts and compare to your claim here.
Well it looks like you’re about to drive me off the site, as @TSE is imposing a unique rule, solely for me, that if I post on here my profile must be public. But this only applies to me
If so, well done
No desire to do so @leon. See my response to @TheScreamingEagles made before I saw your post. You should not be treated differently. My motive was that I was unable to see a post of yours that I wanted to reference which is perfectly reasonable.
Fair enough
By the way you do realise you can search vanilla by keyword? So, if you remember a comment well enough, it’s really not hard to find. And “privacy” does not stop you searching any comments with that method
I wrote a scraper, a little time ago. Turned PB, going back to the available start into a database.
All the comments linked, and indexed.
Tip - put an esoteric word in your comment, so you can find it again.
Looks like the Stevenage “fire bomb” report has been verified
“Hertfordshire Police has confirmed to @GBNEWS that it is investigating reports of an assault overnight in Stevenage.
Chief Inspector Sarah Gilbertson said: “It appears that the victim was struck by a glass bottle containing a lit rag and sustained a cut to his head.””
That was an attack on the flag hangers. Stage 3, David Betz Effect
Far righties out hanging flags unlawfully in the early hours.
I wonder if they will make a police report?
Thyme To Crusade @HertsStandUp · 12h Shocking incident in Stevenage tonight just after midnight. Petrol bombs thrown over a garden at our cars as we were leaving after 3 hours of putting up England flags. A second bomb was hurled at us as we drove off. @HertsPatriots was hit directly in the face. 🙏🏴 https://x.com/HertsStandUp/status/1959062291351326992
Why don’t they put the flags up in the day ? Maybe they’ll get a front page in tomorrows right wing papers where they can play the victim !
I'm sure someone will come along to blame this all on Hamas shortly.
Professor Google says El Salvador spent $100m building its biggest mega prison, which holds 40,000 inmates
Let’s multiply that by 5 as doing it on ascension will be much harder. $500m. But once it’s built it’s built
Then you have to staff it. The Salvador jail apparently has 850 staff - guards and soldiers. That’s 850 salaries - pay them generously for a hardship posting -
Give them £50k a year tax free. A big incentive. That’s £40m a year. Fuck it give them £100k. £80m
Then you’ve got to build housing for them. £100m? £200m? Seems a lot but let’s err on the side of overstatement again
Then the annual cost of running it. The jail in El Salvador supposedly costs about $100m a year (but that’s probably including salaries) but let’s use it anyway
Total to build and run for the first year about £900m? Add in £100m for flights. That’s £1bn
ie 20% of what we spent on asylum seekers in 2023-2024
So it can be done quite easily and it would be much cheaper than the present system. Costs would also plunge after the first year (the building is done) and besides, after six months the boats would stop. End of problem
You forgot the special tunnel that would have to be dug underneath the prison so that migrating Ascension newt can continue to cross the island safely.
Given that it's an oceanic island with over 70 known endemic species, your joke has meat.
In this one-minute clip from The Rest is Politics, Rory suggests most pundits are wrongly framing Trump's position on Ukraine, which leads them to say he was outmanoeuvred. Looked at from another angle, Trump might be succeeding.
FWIW I think Rory is about right. He has been on this line for a time.
Two things, one certain, the other likely. Certain: Trump thinks Europe is two power blocs, Russian and western and that exactly where the dividing line comes somewhere in central Europe - which is in fact what the current war is about in his mind - is a matter for Europe and he doesn't care.
Likely: That Trump is actively pro Russia.
Realist conclusion: It is obvious that USA is not willing to risk a single soldier's life over where that boundary is drawn in this war.
Next realist conclusion: It is not yet obvious that a single large 'western' (NATO) country is willing to either.
'Security guarantees' means risking your soldiers' lives. No western leader has yet said so. When they do we shall know they are serious.
Rory is such a loss to front line politics. We desperately need people like him, people capable of actually thinking and analysing the problems we have.
I agree with him that Trump really doesn't care about Europe, the Ukraine or NATO. As far as he is concerned why should US resources be wasted on this? What's in it for them? As Charles De Gaulle said, "countries have interests, not friends." On this it is us that are deluding ourselves, not Trump. If Europe decides it has an interest in preventing Russia's aggression in Ukraine succeeding, and we do, we must do something about it. Expecting the Americans to bail us out is both pathetic and unrealistic.
This Rory Stewart:
Kamala Harris will win comfortably, because:
• Biden’s admin has been solid • Trump’s lost ground since 2016 • The young Black male votes which Trump needs didn’t turn out in 16, 18, 20, or 22 • Young women like Kamala + vote ✴️Ignore polls—they’re herding, after past misses
Stewart is the type of 'expert' who sees nothing wrong with unrestricted illegal immigration but gets upset about the possibility of them being deported.
RS getting one prediction wrong is a single data point and says nothing about him except that occasion.
Your last para is straw manning a touch.
He's been arguing for a deal with France to send all people from small boats back instantly, alongside opening legal routes, on the basis that that will then remove any incentive for small boat crossings.
PS The problem I see with that position is that there is no immediate upside for France, which will cause Macron's party problems with their far right opponents.
It's annoying how obvious ideas for TV shows like Millionaire and Masterchef are once they're being produced. Yet if someone else had come up with the idea first, they'd be getting the royalties instead.
How about Deal or No Deal? Half an hour of an overweight lady from Wolverhampton opening boxes with Noel Edmonds? Obvious winner. If only I'd seen that blatant truth.
The genius in that is how after the result the game goes on to see what the person would have won if they hadn't settled. It's just as tense as the first bit. It plays on psychology in that winning say £50k when you would have won £250k feels gutting even though you're £50k richer. And the contestant always trying to stay cheerful and not bothered. Bit nasty, really, but very effective. And of course Edmonds, strange little man in many ways but really knows his way around a tv studio.
Look at what you could have won.....copyright Jim Bowen.
Yes it's a naunced and prolonged version of that.
I once spent half an hour interviewing Tim Harford on the economics of sustainable development whilst on secondment at the FT. We had a rich and mutually respectful discussion until, as my last question, I challenged his latest column panning Deal or No Deal as TV for idiots.
My argument, which I still stand by, is that it is brilliant TV precisely because it is a psychological game in which you are trying to convince the banker that you are stupid enough to go to the end regardless. If you win this psychological struggle then the banker will offer you higher deals in order to try to sway you from your commitment. Your actual objective is to deal at peak appearance of stupidity.
Harford wasn't buying it and, having spent half an hour building up quite a bit of credibility for my unconventional economic arguments, he almost instantaneously reverted to "why have I just wasted half an hour with this imbecile?"
It's annoying how obvious ideas for TV shows like Millionaire and Masterchef are once they're being produced. Yet if someone else had come up with the idea first, they'd be getting the royalties instead.
How about Deal or No Deal? Half an hour of an overweight lady from Wolverhampton opening boxes with Noel Edmonds? Obvious winner. If only I'd seen that blatant truth.
The genius in that is how after the result the game goes on to see what the person would have won if they hadn't settled. It's just as tense as the first bit. It plays on psychology in that winning say £50k when you would have won £250k feels gutting even though you're £50k richer. And the contestant always trying to stay cheerful and not bothered. Bit nasty, really, but very effective. And of course Edmonds, strange little man in many ways but really knows his way around a tv studio.
Didn't know his way around New Zealand though. IIRC.
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We have met a number of their friends whom we see on TV a lot. They all get by but none are rich. Like a few professions those at the top command high salaries, the vast majority less so.
This scene from Tinker Tailor, not that crap film, is excellent
https://x.com/archivetvmus71/status/1909516565596287316?s=61
But I don't think you're an actual criminal. Or particularly stupid.
And I was referencing data that was probably incorrect.
Lucas got the best deal - I think it was 40% of the gross of all box office and related merchandise. Made him a billionaire.
My flint work agent represents the guy who invented Masterchef. Which has been adapted and remade in about 30 countries. They have to pay him every time they adapt it, and he gets a fee - from each country - every time an episode is broadcast
He basically sits under an Iguazu Falls of cash. Doesn’t do anything and the cheques roll in. Vast torrents of moolah. Many many millions
I don’t know why kids are worrying about the robots taking all the jobs. All they gotta do is come up with a genius TV idea that can be exported worldwide
I want my cash
In return Europe mocked Trump.
Get a really good agent. And get a rock solid contract
Good for Jasper, great bluenose.
Fields will be greener.
Lofts will be loftier.
If only we had a PB candidate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IxN0N35skE
I have read that soccer fans are sometimes a bit boisterous, so I fear that they might not always get the best reception from people here. I have also read that fans from different nations don't always get along.
Moreover, our police forces are still recovering from the "defund the police" movement, sparked by the death of George Floyd. So any official responses to disturbances might not go as well as one would like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyexxByWZ04&t=13s
https://x.com/lmfootbali/status/1958943144869032072?s=61
The cost of building the infrastructure and administering it would be eye watering. And you'd be severely limited in numbers.
Its just nonsense. Absolute nonsense.
The "Attention" mechanism that was the big breakthrough that has allowed for LLMs is fairly obvious in hindsight. The maths involved is very simple.
Half an hour of an overweight lady from Wolverhampton opening boxes with Noel Edmonds?
Obvious winner.
If only I'd seen that blatant truth.
The novel you're thinking of is likely Another Now by Yanis Varoufakis. It’s a speculative political fiction that imagines a world where a fully-fledged, democratic socialist society has replaced capitalism. Varoufakis—an economist and former Greek finance minister—uses the book to explore what a post-capitalist world might look like if it had emerged from the ashes of the 2008 financial crisis.
The book was indeed reviewed and discussed in The Guardian, where it was described as a bold attempt to sketch out a credible alternative to neoliberal capitalism. Rather than romanticizing the Soviet model, Varoufakis envisions a technologically advanced, egalitarian society with decentralized decision-making and radically reimagined economic structures.
Flying them there is presumably the massive cost? But a big jet could take 300 every flight
Hundreds of millions?
But again, as with all these schemes, when it came down do it you’d probably only have to move a few thousand and then the boats would instantly stop
But he [Farage] isn’t setting the agenda. The online far right in the UK don’t particularly trust him. They’re not sure he’s really onside or extreme enough for them. His position has had to shift rapidly in response. He’s not at the tiller, he’s responding to events.
https://bsky.app/profile/jamesrball.com/post/3lx2prq63qk2x
They pre-exist. In a superposition on the cusp of creation
They pre-exist. In a superposition on the cusp of creation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNqfaR189M4
Like they were really asking how come those songs came to you? And not me?
Its just nonsense.
Cost of living crisis? Fuck it, build impractical shit on a faraway island for billions as a 'deterrent'.
Its like he wants to fail and piss everyone off
We spend, AIUI, £5 BILLION a year on housing and the like for asylum seekers. Plus all the other hidden costs for society
Would it be easy to build a mega jail on ascension? No. Would it solve the problem? Yes. Would it cost less than £5 billion a year? Yes of course
What we lack is the will and the spine to get this done
Trouble is that there are people like Rupert Lowe who don't know the difference between a dog whistle and a foghorn.
However it's a matter of telling lunatics that there is somewhere far away that is somewhere else that doesn't matter where even if Lord of the Flies is acted out for ever no-one notices or minds.
The thought that the residents of Ascension will be as traditional and conservative about their island and their rights as the people of Hampstead and Epping doesn't arise.
Professor Google says El Salvador spent $100m building its biggest mega prison, which holds 40,000 inmates
Let’s multiply that by 5 as doing it on ascension will be much harder. $500m. But once it’s built it’s built
Then you have to staff it. The Salvador jail apparently has 850 staff - guards and soldiers. That’s 850 salaries - pay them generously for a hardship posting -
Give them £50k a year tax free. A big incentive. That’s £40m a year. Fuck it give them £100k. £80m
Then you’ve got to build housing for them. £100m? £200m? Seems a lot but let’s err on the side of overstatement again
Then the annual cost of running it. The jail in El Salvador supposedly costs about $100m a year (but that’s probably including salaries) but let’s use it anyway
Total to build and run for the first year about £900m? Add in £100m for flights. That’s £1bn
ie 20% of what we spent on asylum seekers in 2023-2024
So it can be done quite easily and it would be much cheaper than the present system. Costs would also plunge after the first year (the building is done) and besides, after six months the boats would stop. End of problem
If we are going to be deporting all illegal asylum seekers why would we need mega prisons in the Atlantic?
All these objections to the idea are a smoke screen and a diversion. That’s why they are so easily batted aside
The real reason this feels impossible is that emotionally we resist it. The idea feels so wrong and immoral - we are not El Salvador and we don’t put people in mega jails. And I totally respect that position, indeed I may even agree with it
But practically this could be done if we really wanted, and it would also save lives in the end
I wonder if they will make a police report?
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Shocking incident in Stevenage tonight just after midnight. Petrol bombs thrown over a garden at our cars as we were leaving after 3 hours of putting up England flags. A second bomb was hurled at us as we drove off.
@HertsPatriots was hit directly in the face. 🙏🏴
https://x.com/HertsStandUp/status/1959062291351326992
And I’ve pointed out that it can
Otherwise I agree with you. If we’re going to take this ruthless route we could build a mega jail in the uk. Some uninhabited island. Dartmoor. Whatever. It could be done - IF we so desired
https://x.com/repmtg/status/1959240450088280116?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
I mean I could set off anti clockwise round the coast to walk from Caister to Yarmouth if I absolutely had the will to do it.
Your last para is straw manning a touch.
He's been arguing for a deal with France to send all people from small boats back instantly, alongside opening legal routes, on the basis that that will then remove any incentive for small boat crossings.
All the comments linked, and indexed.
So why should thereby in a very spread out Canada/Mexico/USA world Cup?
* I remember blood curdling stories of how Russian thugs were going to murder England fans. The reality was not even much drunkeness. I know, because I was there!
"Leon is a bit bumfuzzled today."
My argument, which I still stand by, is that it is brilliant TV precisely because it is a psychological game in which you are trying to convince the banker that you are stupid enough to go to the end regardless. If you win this psychological struggle then the banker will offer you higher deals in order to try to sway you from your commitment. Your actual objective is to deal at peak appearance of stupidity.
Harford wasn't buying it and, having spent half an hour building up quite a bit of credibility for my unconventional economic arguments, he almost instantaneously reverted to "why have I just wasted half an hour with this imbecile?"
A plus for Reform UK ?