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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,711
    Scott_xP said:

    🚨 Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth has ordered National Guard troops roaming the streets of Washington DC to be armed with their service weapons

    It's happening.

    Hic, cheers!
  • ManOfGwentManOfGwent Posts: 206
    edited August 22
    I spent a year working for an MP. If Mr. Reader has any input to the response to the constituent, even if via Ai, it's more attention than you'd get from the majority of MPs who delegate almost all responses to Parliamentary assistants and case workers.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,938
    Pretty shocking opening to the World at One. The UN statement of famine in GAZA uninterrupted. First time ever outside Africa. I hope the Jails in the Hague have enough room.....

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002hbkh
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,876
    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    They'd better get used to it

    Where can we find this ChatGPT caper?

    Can you ping me over the What,Three.Words. location please?
    Kids are growing up with these bots and use them incessantly. Universities are being destroyed by them. They will become universal and ubiquitous

    That said, as someone mentioned on the prior thread, there is a definite subset of young people that hate them, and want nothing to do with them

    My older daughter is one. Loathes the whole idea. And no, that's not (solely) because I keep banging on about it, she says some of her friends feel the same and her half sister - my other daughter - in Australia is the same: and I've never brought up the subject once, with her
    ChatGPT is rotting the brains of kids. They are genuinely losing their ability to think and reason properly. Not just kids tbf, loads of adults too. A CTO in one of my previous workplaces is now just a walking, talking LLM prompt response. There's no question too big or too small where he won't use Claude. He was shit at the job anyway but apparently it's now so bad that even the grunts are starting to notice that the AI has taken over his brain.
    I can't spell now and the reason for that is spellchecker. Also due to keyboards my handwriting is illegible. Tech has reduced me to the level of a small child in this respect.
    My ire is reserved for those who now cannot navigate without satnav, even around their own home town. And for those who trust satnav over the bloke in the passenger seat who has lived round here most of his life and made this exact journey numerous times. Particularly if they're in a Tesla.
    Yes that's another piece of tech that destroys your native abilities, in that case sense of direction and spatial awareness. In general if you removed all these aids from us and put us back in competition with primordial man we'd be toast.
    It's been going on for generations of course. Modern man can no longet wire a plug or attach a button.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,105
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    They'd better get used to it

    Where can we find this ChatGPT caper?

    Can you ping me over the What,Three.Words. location please?
    Kids are growing up with these bots and use them incessantly. Universities are being destroyed by them. They will become universal and ubiquitous

    That said, as someone mentioned on the prior thread, there is a definite subset of young people that hate them, and want nothing to do with them

    My older daughter is one. Loathes the whole idea. And no, that's not (solely) because I keep banging on about it, she says some of her friends feel the same and her half sister - my other daughter - in Australia is the same: and I've never brought up the subject once, with her
    ChatGPT is rotting the brains of kids. They are genuinely losing their ability to think and reason properly. Not just kids tbf, loads of adults too. A CTO in one of my previous workplaces is now just a walking, talking LLM prompt response. There's no question too big or too small where he won't use Claude. He was shit at the job anyway but apparently it's now so bad that even the grunts are starting to notice that the AI has taken over his brain.
    I can't spell now and the reason for that is spellchecker. Also due to keyboards my handwriting is illegible. Tech has reduced me to the level of a small child in this respect.
    My ire is reserved for those who now cannot navigate without satnav, even around their own home town. And for those who trust satnav over the bloke in the passenger seat who has lived round here most of his life and made this exact journey numerous times. Particularly if they're in a Tesla.
    Yes that's another piece of tech that destroys your native abilities, in that case sense of direction and spatial awareness. In general if you removed all these aids from us and put us back in competition with primordial man we'd be toast.
    It's been going on for generations of course. Modern man can no longet wire a plug or attach a button.
    Not being able to walk around your home town without a satnav is in a slightly different category imo.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,819
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    They'd better get used to it

    Where can we find this ChatGPT caper?

    Can you ping me over the What,Three.Words. location please?
    Kids are growing up with these bots and use them incessantly. Universities are being destroyed by them. They will become universal and ubiquitous

    That said, as someone mentioned on the prior thread, there is a definite subset of young people that hate them, and want nothing to do with them

    My older daughter is one. Loathes the whole idea. And no, that's not (solely) because I keep banging on about it, she says some of her friends feel the same and her half sister - my other daughter - in Australia is the same: and I've never brought up the subject once, with her
    ChatGPT is rotting the brains of kids. They are genuinely losing their ability to think and reason properly. Not just kids tbf, loads of adults too. A CTO in one of my previous workplaces is now just a walking, talking LLM prompt response. There's no question too big or too small where he won't use Claude. He was shit at the job anyway but apparently it's now so bad that even the grunts are starting to notice that the AI has taken over his brain.
    I can't spell now and the reason for that is spellchecker. Also due to keyboards my handwriting is illegible. Tech has reduced me to the level of a small child in this respect.
    My ire is reserved for those who now cannot navigate without satnav, even around their own home town. And for those who trust satnav over the bloke in the passenger seat who has lived round here most of his life and made this exact journey numerous times. Particularly if they're in a Tesla.
    Yes that's another piece of tech that destroys your native abilities, in that case sense of direction and spatial awareness. In general if you removed all these aids from us and put us back in competition with primordial man we'd be toast.
    It's been going on for generations of course. Modern man can no longet wire a plug or attach a button.
    Many people can, but only because they choose to do so as a hobby. I have a knitted sock that needs only a Kitchener graft to complete, and then I'll be making my first stab at creating my own sock knitting pattern, incorporating all my favourite techniques from the different socks I've knitted in the past.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,105

    I spent a year working for an MP. If Mr. Reader has any input to the response to the constituent, even if via Ai, it's more attention than you'd get from the majority of MPs who delegate almost all responses to Parliamentary assistants and case workers.

    At least they're real people.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,711
    Roger said:

    Pretty shocking opening to the World at One. The UN statement of famine in GAZA uninterrupted. First time ever outside Africa. I hope the Jails in the Hague have enough room.....

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002hbkh

    The World at One was remarkably well edited today. Simon Jack was excellent. The focus was very much on the famine in Gaza.

    If Sarah Montague or Jonny Dimond had been presenting it would have been thirty minutes of wall to wall Lucy Connolly and asylum hotels, followed by fifteen minutes of some gurning interviews with Rupert Lowe, Robert Jenrick and Lee Anderson.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,007
    Roger said:

    Pretty shocking opening to the World at One. The UN statement of famine in GAZA uninterrupted. First time ever outside Africa. I hope the Jails in the Hague have enough room.....

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002hbkh

    Hamas propaganda apparently !
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,819
    Pulpstar said:

    Roger said:

    Pretty shocking opening to the World at One. The UN statement of famine in GAZA uninterrupted. First time ever outside Africa. I hope the Jails in the Hague have enough room.....

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002hbkh

    Hamas propaganda apparently !
    Bit of a throwback to Covid times with Israel trying to explain away deaths with the old "pre-existing conditions".
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,956
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    They'd better get used to it

    Where can we find this ChatGPT caper?

    Can you ping me over the What,Three.Words. location please?
    Kids are growing up with these bots and use them incessantly. Universities are being destroyed by them. They will become universal and ubiquitous

    That said, as someone mentioned on the prior thread, there is a definite subset of young people that hate them, and want nothing to do with them

    My older daughter is one. Loathes the whole idea. And no, that's not (solely) because I keep banging on about it, she says some of her friends feel the same and her half sister - my other daughter - in Australia is the same: and I've never brought up the subject once, with her
    ChatGPT is rotting the brains of kids. They are genuinely losing their ability to think and reason properly. Not just kids tbf, loads of adults too. A CTO in one of my previous workplaces is now just a walking, talking LLM prompt response. There's no question too big or too small where he won't use Claude. He was shit at the job anyway but apparently it's now so bad that even the grunts are starting to notice that the AI has taken over his brain.
    I can't spell now and the reason for that is spellchecker. Also due to keyboards my handwriting is illegible. Tech has reduced me to the level of a small child in this respect.
    My ire is reserved for those who now cannot navigate without satnav, even around their own home town. And for those who trust satnav over the bloke in the passenger seat who has lived round here most of his life and made this exact journey numerous times. Particularly if they're in a Tesla.
    Yes that's another piece of tech that destroys your native abilities, in that case sense of direction and spatial awareness. In general if you removed all these aids from us and put us back in competition with primordial man we'd be toast.
    It's been going on for generations of course. Modern man can no longet wire a plug or attach a button.
    Yes, technological progress can both empower and enfeeble. The best kind does only the first. Eg glasses. They empower without enfeebling. I often wonder how people with poor vision got on before they were invented.
  • ManOfGwentManOfGwent Posts: 206
    Andy_JS said:

    I spent a year working for an MP. If Mr. Reader has any input to the response to the constituent, even if via Ai, it's more attention than you'd get from the majority of MPs who delegate almost all responses to Parliamentary assistants and case workers.

    At least they're real people.
    If Mr. Reader's staffing costs are substantially lower than other MPs then the public may be more sympathetic to it's use.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,938
    Ed Davey to make a statement on Gaza
    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Carney, a pretty crap Bank of England Governor, folds

    Canada cancels many reciprocal tariffs as Olive branch to Trump.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1958905577611932025?s=61

    Are you an economist? Most people seem to think he did a good job as BoE governor

    It's a bit like Rachel. My shares under her watchful eye have today reached an all-time high So I think she's a genius....

    Reevesy's made me rich!
    At least you have the decency to admit it’s not down to your investment skill. Not quite sure how she did it, as opposed to the respective management teams in the businesses, but she’s in such a hole at the moment she’ll take any credit.

    You’re not an economist, you made tampon ads (Ooooh bodyform, bodyform for you-hoo) and did record covers.
    No I didn't even get an O'level in economics.....

    Sometimes you have to soil yourself for $10,000 a day but what can you do?
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,654
    Christ, the deification of Lucy Connolly is really really wearisome. It’s even worse than the demonisation of her as the next Tommy Robinson.

    She’s not our Mandela. It’s bloody ridiculous.

    She pleaded guilty and was sentenced accordingly.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,654
    edited August 22
    Roger said:

    Ed Davey to make a statement on Gaza

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Carney, a pretty crap Bank of England Governor, folds

    Canada cancels many reciprocal tariffs as Olive branch to Trump.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1958905577611932025?s=61

    Are you an economist? Most people seem to think he did a good job as BoE governor

    It's a bit like Rachel. My shares under her watchful eye have today reached an all-time high So I think she's a genius....

    Reevesy's made me rich!
    At least you have the decency to admit it’s not down to your investment skill. Not quite sure how she did it, as opposed to the respective management teams in the businesses, but she’s in such a hole at the moment she’ll take any credit.

    You’re not an economist, you made tampon ads (Ooooh bodyform, bodyform for you-hoo) and did record covers.
    No I didn't even get an O'level in economics.....

    Sometimes you have to soil yourself for $10,000 a day but what can you do?
    Sell the nappies ? Takes all sorts.

    I got one art O level. It did nothing for me.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,547
    Taz said:

    Loving the contortions of people who used to hate John Bolton as a neocon warmonger in the Bush regime, who helped deliver the current state of the middle,east, now trying to go into bat for him as he’s against Trump.

    https://x.com/nypost/status/1958850232843731054?s=61

    I'm reminded of the people who paused their damning of D. Cummings as a complete liar, to declare him the Sword of Truth, when he turned on Boris Johnson.
  • ConcanvasserConcanvasser Posts: 224
    Update for @Leon, double Union flags are now on 2 sets of zebra crossings in Leighton Buzzard. Must have gone up today. (Nothing to do with me as it happens)
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,547
    Selebian said:

    Selebian said:

    Eabhal said:

    Come on, who else is actually writing all the text in their own emails...I am certainly not. And I bet loads of those polled have used it to do the same.

    If your email is that long no one is reading it and it should be replaced by a shared doc for comments, or a Teams call. The same goes for short ones tbh, those should be Teams messages.

    I only email if it needs to be on the corporate record. I feel quite strongly about this given the countless hours of wading through pointless emails. (Sorry, might be a generational thing).
    Quite the opposite of long emails, I find Claude extremely good at taking prose and forming a highly efficient version of it. I just give it bullets points or a some wad of text that I can't be bothered to summarise and say email in no more than x words.
    I suspect that in large areas of corporate (and government) pen-pusher keyboard-basher land people are feeding bullet points into an AI of choice, emailing the lengthy document produced (showing great work ethic, expertise and value for money) to a client, client then feeds into an AI of choice to extract a bullet point summary.

    I can't help feeling there may be a more efficient alternative to this!
    I am sure that is true. They are misusing the technology and I am fairly certain in the near future business will be forced to change as plucky start-ups will show how you can do things much more efficiently and with fewer staff.
    To be fair, this kind of process has probably happened a lot in corporates and governments before in less efficient ways - senior writes a few key points and gets junior to flesh it out; receiving senior gets the a different junior to provide a summary of key points. The intriguing thing, in this process or with AI is how similar the source and final key points are!
    When I was very naive and junior, I was asked to spec out a smallish project in the company I was working in.

    because of various corporate policies on which computer language, database etc was standard, the result was a pretty short list of bullet points.

    My boss gently explained that multi-million pound decisions couldn't be made on the basis of a few bullet points. And helped me turn it into X pages.

    The actual content was still the bullet points, IIRC.

    So the process described isn't new - it's the automation.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,938
    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Ed Davey to make a statement on Gaza

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Carney, a pretty crap Bank of England Governor, folds

    Canada cancels many reciprocal tariffs as Olive branch to Trump.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1958905577611932025?s=61

    Are you an economist? Most people seem to think he did a good job as BoE governor

    It's a bit like Rachel. My shares under her watchful eye have today reached an all-time high So I think she's a genius....

    Reevesy's made me rich!
    At least you have the decency to admit it’s not down to your investment skill. Not quite sure how she did it, as opposed to the respective management teams in the businesses, but she’s in such a hole at the moment she’ll take any credit.

    You’re not an economist, you made tampon ads (Ooooh bodyform, bodyform for you-hoo) and did record covers.
    No I didn't even get an O'level in economics.....

    Sometimes you have to soil yourself for $10,000 a day but what can you do?
    Sell the nappies ? Takes all sorts.

    I got one art O level. It did nothing for me.
    What's the John Bolton story? I don't have access to the rest of the tweet
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,057
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    They'd better get used to it

    Where can we find this ChatGPT caper?

    Can you ping me over the What,Three.Words. location please?
    Kids are growing up with these bots and use them incessantly. Universities are being destroyed by them. They will become universal and ubiquitous

    That said, as someone mentioned on the prior thread, there is a definite subset of young people that hate them, and want nothing to do with them

    My older daughter is one. Loathes the whole idea. And no, that's not (solely) because I keep banging on about it, she says some of her friends feel the same and her half sister - my other daughter - in Australia is the same: and I've never brought up the subject once, with her
    ChatGPT is rotting the brains of kids. They are genuinely losing their ability to think and reason properly. Not just kids tbf, loads of adults too. A CTO in one of my previous workplaces is now just a walking, talking LLM prompt response. There's no question too big or too small where he won't use Claude. He was shit at the job anyway but apparently it's now so bad that even the grunts are starting to notice that the AI has taken over his brain.
    I can't spell now and the reason for that is spellchecker. Also due to keyboards my handwriting is illegible. Tech has reduced me to the level of a small child in this respect.
    My ire is reserved for those who now cannot navigate without satnav, even around their own home town. And for those who trust satnav over the bloke in the passenger seat who has lived round here most of his life and made this exact journey numerous times. Particularly if they're in a Tesla.
    Yes that's another piece of tech that destroys your native abilities, in that case sense of direction and spatial awareness. In general if you removed all these aids from us and put us back in competition with primordial man we'd be toast.
    It's been going on for generations of course. Modern man can no longet wire a plug or attach a button.
    Bit difficult for non-modern folk. Not many 13A power sockets to attach your flint axe to in Cheddar Gorge (pre modern tourist lighting obv.).
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,711
    Roger said:

    Ed Davey to make a statement on Gaza

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Carney, a pretty crap Bank of England Governor, folds

    Canada cancels many reciprocal tariffs as Olive branch to Trump.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1958905577611932025?s=61

    Are you an economist? Most people seem to think he did a good job as BoE governor

    It's a bit like Rachel. My shares under her watchful eye have today reached an all-time high So I think she's a genius....

    Reevesy's made me rich!
    At least you have the decency to admit it’s not down to your investment skill. Not quite sure how she did it, as opposed to the respective management teams in the businesses, but she’s in such a hole at the moment she’ll take any credit.

    You’re not an economist, you made tampon ads (Ooooh bodyform, bodyform for you-hoo) and did record covers.
    No I didn't even get an O'level in economics.....

    Sometimes you have to soil yourself for $10,000 a day but what can you do?
    Did you do the Bodyform ad with a jingle that sounds remarkably like the voice of Madeline Bell, where the girls want some wind in their hair motoring so they angle grind the roof off their VW squareback?

    That was great, it was like a 1980s pop video. That was definitely worth 10,000 bucks a day. Hell, I almost bought the product.

    That reminds me "Dear Tampax, I have been smoking your product for a year now and I still can't swim or ride a bike. I demand a refund".
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,654
    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Ed Davey to make a statement on Gaza

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Carney, a pretty crap Bank of England Governor, folds

    Canada cancels many reciprocal tariffs as Olive branch to Trump.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1958905577611932025?s=61

    Are you an economist? Most people seem to think he did a good job as BoE governor

    It's a bit like Rachel. My shares under her watchful eye have today reached an all-time high So I think she's a genius....

    Reevesy's made me rich!
    At least you have the decency to admit it’s not down to your investment skill. Not quite sure how she did it, as opposed to the respective management teams in the businesses, but she’s in such a hole at the moment she’ll take any credit.

    You’re not an economist, you made tampon ads (Ooooh bodyform, bodyform for you-hoo) and did record covers.
    No I didn't even get an O'level in economics.....

    Sometimes you have to soil yourself for $10,000 a day but what can you do?
    Sell the nappies ? Takes all sorts.

    I got one art O level. It did nothing for me.
    What's the John Bolton story? I don't have access to the rest of the tweet
    FBI raid,

    Alleged to be holding confidential documents.

    Similar to Trump at Mar-a-Lago
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,938
    Pulpstar said:

    Roger said:

    Pretty shocking opening to the World at One. The UN statement of famine in GAZA uninterrupted. First time ever outside Africa. I hope the Jails in the Hague have enough room.....

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002hbkh

    Hamas propaganda apparently !
    Incredible what they'll do for a bit of publicity
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,088
    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Ed Davey to make a statement on Gaza

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Carney, a pretty crap Bank of England Governor, folds

    Canada cancels many reciprocal tariffs as Olive branch to Trump.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1958905577611932025?s=61

    Are you an economist? Most people seem to think he did a good job as BoE governor

    It's a bit like Rachel. My shares under her watchful eye have today reached an all-time high So I think she's a genius....

    Reevesy's made me rich!
    At least you have the decency to admit it’s not down to your investment skill. Not quite sure how she did it, as opposed to the respective management teams in the businesses, but she’s in such a hole at the moment she’ll take any credit.

    You’re not an economist, you made tampon ads (Ooooh bodyform, bodyform for you-hoo) and did record covers.
    No I didn't even get an O'level in economics.....

    Sometimes you have to soil yourself for $10,000 a day but what can you do?
    Sell the nappies ? Takes all sorts.

    I got one art O level. It did nothing for me.
    You weren't drawn in?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,619
    Taz said:

    Christ, the deification of Lucy Connolly is really really wearisome. It’s even worse than the demonisation of her as the next Tommy Robinson.

    She’s not our Mandela. It’s bloody ridiculous.

    She pleaded guilty and was sentenced accordingly.

    Meeting with Trump officials is not hugely persuasive that she isn't an alt-right loony.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,263
    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    Christ, the deification of Lucy Connolly is really really wearisome. It’s even worse than the demonisation of her as the next Tommy Robinson.

    She’s not our Mandela. It’s bloody ridiculous.

    She pleaded guilty and was sentenced accordingly.

    Meeting with Trump officials is not hugely persuasive that she isn't an alt-right loony.
    Can't Sir Keir have her locked up again? Her whining and posturing is boring me already.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,573
    ydoethur said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Ed Davey to make a statement on Gaza

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Carney, a pretty crap Bank of England Governor, folds

    Canada cancels many reciprocal tariffs as Olive branch to Trump.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1958905577611932025?s=61

    Are you an economist? Most people seem to think he did a good job as BoE governor

    It's a bit like Rachel. My shares under her watchful eye have today reached an all-time high So I think she's a genius....

    Reevesy's made me rich!
    At least you have the decency to admit it’s not down to your investment skill. Not quite sure how she did it, as opposed to the respective management teams in the businesses, but she’s in such a hole at the moment she’ll take any credit.

    You’re not an economist, you made tampon ads (Ooooh bodyform, bodyform for you-hoo) and did record covers.
    No I didn't even get an O'level in economics.....

    Sometimes you have to soil yourself for $10,000 a day but what can you do?
    Sell the nappies ? Takes all sorts.

    I got one art O level. It did nothing for me.
    You weren't drawn in?
    The teaching was sketchy.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,654
    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    Christ, the deification of Lucy Connolly is really really wearisome. It’s even worse than the demonisation of her as the next Tommy Robinson.

    She’s not our Mandela. It’s bloody ridiculous.

    She pleaded guilty and was sentenced accordingly.

    Meeting with Trump officials is not hugely persuasive that she isn't an alt-right loony.
    Dear God, where will this end ?

    I’m a Celebrity ?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,938
    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Ed Davey to make a statement on Gaza

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Carney, a pretty crap Bank of England Governor, folds

    Canada cancels many reciprocal tariffs as Olive branch to Trump.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1958905577611932025?s=61

    Are you an economist? Most people seem to think he did a good job as BoE governor

    It's a bit like Rachel. My shares under her watchful eye have today reached an all-time high So I think she's a genius....

    Reevesy's made me rich!
    At least you have the decency to admit it’s not down to your investment skill. Not quite sure how she did it, as opposed to the respective management teams in the businesses, but she’s in such a hole at the moment she’ll take any credit.

    You’re not an economist, you made tampon ads (Ooooh bodyform, bodyform for you-hoo) and did record covers.
    No I didn't even get an O'level in economics.....

    Sometimes you have to soil yourself for $10,000 a day but what can you do?
    Sell the nappies ? Takes all sorts.

    I got one art O level. It did nothing for me.
    O'level Art....surely you can do one like this then? .....It went for $64 million

    https://www.composition.gallery/art/jean-michel-basquiat-untitled-i-from-the-figures-portfolio/
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,654

    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    Christ, the deification of Lucy Connolly is really really wearisome. It’s even worse than the demonisation of her as the next Tommy Robinson.

    She’s not our Mandela. It’s bloody ridiculous.

    She pleaded guilty and was sentenced accordingly.

    Meeting with Trump officials is not hugely persuasive that she isn't an alt-right loony.
    Can't Sir Keir have her locked up again? Her whining and posturing is boring me already.
    I was bored with her before she left prison.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,956

    Update for @Leon, double Union flags are now on 2 sets of zebra crossings in Leighton Buzzard. Must have gone up today. (Nothing to do with me as it happens)

    I should hope not.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,619
    edited August 22
    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    Christ, the deification of Lucy Connolly is really really wearisome. It’s even worse than the demonisation of her as the next Tommy Robinson.

    She’s not our Mandela. It’s bloody ridiculous.

    She pleaded guilty and was sentenced accordingly.

    Meeting with Trump officials is not hugely persuasive that she isn't an alt-right loony.
    Dear God, where will this end ?

    I’m a Celebrity ?
    It's going to end up with a photo of her in the Oval Office with Trump. "set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the
    bastards" could make a her reasonable living, if she so wishes. Respect the hustle tbh.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,088
    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Pretty shocking opening to the World at One. The UN statement of famine in GAZA uninterrupted. First time ever outside Africa. I hope the Jails in the Hague have enough room.....

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002hbkh

    The World at One was remarkably well edited today. Simon Jack was excellent. The focus was very much on the famine in Gaza.

    If Sarah Montague or Jonny Dimond had been presenting it would have been thirty minutes of wall to wall Lucy Connolly and asylum hotels, followed by fifteen minutes of some gurning interviews with Rupert Lowe, Robert Jenrick and Lee Anderson.
    There was a young woman called Lucy
    Whose thoughts upon migrants were juicy
    One day she did spout
    She let it all out
    And suddenly needed a QC
    KC!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,956
    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Pretty shocking opening to the World at One. The UN statement of famine in GAZA uninterrupted. First time ever outside Africa. I hope the Jails in the Hague have enough room.....

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002hbkh

    The World at One was remarkably well edited today. Simon Jack was excellent. The focus was very much on the famine in Gaza.

    If Sarah Montague or Jonny Dimond had been presenting it would have been thirty minutes of wall to wall Lucy Connolly and asylum hotels, followed by fifteen minutes of some gurning interviews with Rupert Lowe, Robert Jenrick and Lee Anderson.
    There was a young woman called Lucy
    Whose thoughts upon migrants were juicy
    One day she did spout
    She let it all out
    And suddenly needed a QC
    KC!
    I know but the rhyme!

    Jeez, tough crowd on here.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,876
    edited August 22
    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Pretty shocking opening to the World at One. The UN statement of famine in GAZA uninterrupted. First time ever outside Africa. I hope the Jails in the Hague have enough room.....

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002hbkh

    The World at One was remarkably well edited today. Simon Jack was excellent. The focus was very much on the famine in Gaza.

    If Sarah Montague or Jonny Dimond had been presenting it would have been thirty minutes of wall to wall Lucy Connolly and asylum hotels, followed by fifteen minutes of some gurning interviews with Rupert Lowe, Robert Jenrick and Lee Anderson.
    There was a young woman called Lucy
    Whose thoughts upon migrants were juicy
    One day she did spout
    She let it all out
    And suddenly needed a QC
    Very good. Though for metre I would insert an 'and' at the start of line 4.

    Or perhaps 'one day with a pout, she let it all out'.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,105
    Taz said:

    Christ, the deification of Lucy Connolly is really really wearisome. It’s even worse than the demonisation of her as the next Tommy Robinson.

    She’s not our Mandela. It’s bloody ridiculous.

    She pleaded guilty and was sentenced accordingly.

    Reminds me a bit of the United States in 2020.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,490
    edited August 22
    Political prisoners held captive, then feted as a heroine.
    All for merely encouraging a mob to murder by arson.
    There can be no doubt this is exactly like Starmer's Soviet Union.
    Fortunately we have superheroes like Allison Pearson and Isabel "sausage of impunity" to defend us.
    The very reincarnation of Walesa and Solzhenitsyn appearing in the aspect of Telegraph columnists.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,956
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Pretty shocking opening to the World at One. The UN statement of famine in GAZA uninterrupted. First time ever outside Africa. I hope the Jails in the Hague have enough room.....

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002hbkh

    The World at One was remarkably well edited today. Simon Jack was excellent. The focus was very much on the famine in Gaza.

    If Sarah Montague or Jonny Dimond had been presenting it would have been thirty minutes of wall to wall Lucy Connolly and asylum hotels, followed by fifteen minutes of some gurning interviews with Rupert Lowe, Robert Jenrick and Lee Anderson.
    There was a young woman called Lucy
    Whose thoughts upon migrants were juicy
    One day she did spout
    She let it all out
    And suddenly needed a QC
    Very good. Though for metre I would insert an 'and' at the start of line 4.
    Thanks and noted. Actually I toyed with that but it would have landed me with a double 'And' in 4/5.

    So maybe

    And she let it all out
    Then suddenly needed a QC

    Yes. I'll go with that and you get a credit. The final version is a kuntibula cookie work.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,547
    dixiedean said:

    Yes.
    It's just like the Soviet Union.
    Political prisoners held captive, rather than feted as hero

    Also people

    - made a hero
    - made a traitor
    - Rehabilitated
    - De-Rehabilitated
    - Re-Rehabilitated
    - Etc

    Pretty much at the spin of a bottle.

  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,984
    rcs1000 said:
    Her takeaway that the British would demand the end of the monarchy if the whole story about him and Epstein was revealed is bollocks though - everyone knows he’s a bad un and clearly people like the POW and Mrs POW and generally know there is no love lost between Andrew and William.

    P Andrew is a gigantic arsehole though and his sense of entitlement seems to similarly inhabit the pea sized brain of Harry too.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,876
    kinabalu said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Pretty shocking opening to the World at One. The UN statement of famine in GAZA uninterrupted. First time ever outside Africa. I hope the Jails in the Hague have enough room.....

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002hbkh

    The World at One was remarkably well edited today. Simon Jack was excellent. The focus was very much on the famine in Gaza.

    If Sarah Montague or Jonny Dimond had been presenting it would have been thirty minutes of wall to wall Lucy Connolly and asylum hotels, followed by fifteen minutes of some gurning interviews with Rupert Lowe, Robert Jenrick and Lee Anderson.
    There was a young woman called Lucy
    Whose thoughts upon migrants were juicy
    One day she did spout
    She let it all out
    And suddenly needed a QC
    Very good. Though for metre I would insert an 'and' at the start of line 4.
    Thanks and noted. Actually I toyed with that but it would have landed me with a double 'And' in 4/5.

    So maybe

    And she let it all out
    Then suddenly needed a QC

    Yes. I'll go with that and you get a credit. The final version is a kuntibula cookie work.
    Though note I changed my original comment to give you another alternative. Which due to the implied comma at the end of the amended line 3 doesn't need an extra syllable in line 4.
    Thanks for the credit but happy to waive my rights - my part was minimal - don't want this getting all Morrissey/Rourke/Joyce.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,424
    Official. WFA is on for those earning less than £35K

    For those with taxable income over £35,000 and who are not in receipt of Pension Credit or certain other means-tested benefits, the full Winter Fuel Payment will be recovered via the personal income tax system.


    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-social-fund-winter-fuel-payment-regulations-2025/the-social-fund-winter-fuel-payments-regulations-2025-letter-to-the-secretary-of-state-for-work-and-pensions
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,819
    rcs1000 said:
    The transgressions of second sons isn't worth a fig when it comes to the survival of the monarchy.

    Even KCIII has been largely forgiven for his many failings because he's dutifully played the role of Monarch with the necessary restraint.

    Seems to me that the British want a monarchy, and so they are willing on the monarch to succeed. And then, if ever faced with KEVIII again I think they'd be fine with skipping however many they need to in the line of succession until a reasonable replacement is found.

    Britain may grumble about the monarchy, much as it grumbles about the weather, or the England football manager, or the buses, but it won't ever become a Republic. I think the country would have been happier if Brexit had remained in the domain of grumbling about the EU.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,938
    It doesn't rhyme but I agree with Dr Mos-Shogbamimu .......


    "It's not 'freedom of speech without accountability'. She didn't tweet something that hurt someone's feelings; she tweeted saying someone should die."

    In her view, those making Connolly a "flag-bearer or champion" for free speech were asking for "the right to be racist".
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,492
    edited August 22
    Evening all. Ive just seen Union Jacks on lampposts in the Socialist Republic of Clive Lewis
    Jenricks arm has grown long indeed
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,877

    Come on, who else is actually writing all the text in their own emails...I am certainly not. And I bet loads of those polled have used it to do the same.

    There's a thing called Co-pilot that keeps getting in my way whilst I'm working.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,362
    I drove past a house in Stondon Massey nr Brentwood yesterday which had a huge Union Jack flying as well as a billboard saying "i am voting Reform"... have to say it made me think the people living there wouldn't be particularly nice, although if it were any other party I'd avoid them too. You just know they're going to be intense
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,332

    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    Christ, the deification of Lucy Connolly is really really wearisome. It’s even worse than the demonisation of her as the next Tommy Robinson.

    She’s not our Mandela. It’s bloody ridiculous.

    She pleaded guilty and was sentenced accordingly.

    Meeting with Trump officials is not hugely persuasive that she isn't an alt-right loony.
    Can't Sir Keir have her locked up again? Her whining and posturing is boring me already.
    Anoraks bored with Ms Connolly will find much to ponder in the thoughtful and considered judgment over her sentence in the Court of Appeal, who devote 68 paragraphs and 13 pages to her great cause. Worth noting perhaps that at para 60 they say:

    We regret to have to say that we found the evidence of the applicant about these
    important matters incredible.


    I think she was given a bit long, but it was bang in line with the guidelines for her plea but as she served much less anyway she has little cause for complaint, and no cause for celebrity.

    https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Lucy-Connolly-v-The-King.pdf
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,749
    Taz said:

    Carney, a pretty crap Bank of England Governor, folds

    Canada cancels many reciprocal tariffs as Olive branch to Trump.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1958905577611932025?s=61

    Most know anything about the economy rated Carney very highly. His work on Brexit and Covid avoided the most serious issues and he certainly kept the respect of the markets.

    Is your Oxford DPhil not so well regarded as his?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,637

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @Sandpit / @Leon

    I love Waymo, but you are absolutely right that the lack of a human to enforce "no litter" means people feel free to leave crap in the back of the car. It's never been really gross with me, but I've had a car arrive with most of a MacDonalds meal spread out across the back seat.

    They are - apparently - going to start using cameras to make sure cars are clean prior to arrival. But it is still a work in progress.

    Zipcar insist you take photos of the exterior and interior before you start and at the end. The images are apparently processed in seconds, so I presume they have a robot scanning them (to make sure you've not trashed the car) not some poor sap in Bangalore. Or they are processed later?

    Either way it's very efficient, delays you by about 30 seconds, and seems to work. Why can't Waymo use the same tech?
    They can, and they will.

    But they're like any sensible startup: get it launched, move quickly, and only fix things when when people complain about them.

    Waymo - a year from now - will have automatic scanning (which will also make sure you haven't left your phone behind), and if you leave trash more than once, will charge you a fee or ban you from the system. It's just not there yet.
    Oh I am sure they will

    I am eagerly awaiting our driverless, private-car-less future

    It is going to be utterly transformative for big cities, and make them SO much nicer and greener (and we will save so much money - and also lives)
    Do you ever look at old photos of our cities and wonder why they look so neat, with clean lines and open spaces? It's because we have covered our public realm with the infrastructure required for human drivers; traffic lights, signs, road markings. We even pull up setts (cobbles) and replace with tarmac, remove trees to increase visibility and so on.

    That can all change in the future.
    I recently scared a Green by a sketch of what a world using ground effect electric flying vehicles could be like.
    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/05/12/solarpunk/
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,619

    The other reason I write my own emails is that some of you may have spotted I like to slip in an innuendo every now and then.

    AI cannot do that.

    I also used to put in song titles in professional letters, AI cannot do that either, people appreciate that personal touch/style.

    There’s no limit to your ingenuity.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,637

    I'm confused how a cemetery can raise its funeral prices and blame it on the cost of living!

    Unless you are really unlucky, cemeteries are not run by the dead.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,171

    Evening all. Ive just seen Union Jacks on lampposts in the Socialist Republic of Clive Lewis
    Jenricks arm has grown long indeed

    No Union flags in East Ham this evening - the usual Palestinian flags above a few businesses along with the odd Romanian flag in shop windows.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,181
    boulay said:

    rcs1000 said:
    Her takeaway that the British would demand the end of the monarchy if the whole story about him and Epstein was revealed is bollocks though - everyone knows he’s a bad un and clearly people like the POW and Mrs POW and generally know there is no love lost between Andrew and William.

    P Andrew is a gigantic arsehole though and his sense of entitlement seems to similarly inhabit the pea sized brain of Harry too.
    Indeed: the allegations in the book are really ... not good ...

    He had 40 women brought to his hotel room in Thailand over a five-day visit. Aged 26, he had dozens of stuffed animals on his bed, one of which wore a vest that read “It’s tough being a prince.” He missed his daughter’s 12th birthday party to hang out with Epstein at his Miami beach house. He ran up a bill of £325,000 on helicopters and planes in 2005 alone. He let a Libyan gun smuggler pay for a holiday he took to Tunisia and accepted a present of a bugged MacBook Pro from an attractive woman who turned out to be a Russian spy; he later tried to get himself a free Fabergé egg on an official Kremlin tour. In his role as a special representative for the United Kingdom, he earned, in the diplomatic community, the nickname “His Buffoon Highness” by refusing to follow his briefs and perhaps even read them in the first place. Once, driving his £80,000 Range Rover to Royal Lodge in Great Windsor Park, he found that the gates’ sensor was broken, so, rather than taking a 1-mile detour, he rammed them open, causing thousands of pounds’ worth of damage.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,214
    AnneJGP said:

    Come on, who else is actually writing all the text in their own emails...I am certainly not. And I bet loads of those polled have used it to do the same.

    There's a thing called Co-pilot that keeps getting in my way whilst I'm working.
    Is that like the one in Airplane where you had to blow air into a valve in the groin so it could assist?

    https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=Airplane+Movie+Automatic+Pilot+Scene&&view=riverview&mmscn=mtsc&mid=B8B9C10C2ACF6A7DF0C4B8B9C10C2ACF6A7DF0C4&&aps=132&FORM=VMSOVR
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,711
    edited August 22

    Evening all. Ive just seen Union Jacks on lampposts in the Socialist Republic of Clive Lewis
    Jenricks arm has grown long indeed

    Jenrick is smashing this out of the park with these stunts. He is embarrassing the Government and if he can get some sectarian violence out of it, it'll be more power to his elbow. Although a bit like he did over the painting incident, when the atmosphere became a little less febrile he didn't look quite so clever, he just came across as an unpleasant opportunist.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,877
    DavidL said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Come on, who else is actually writing all the text in their own emails...I am certainly not. And I bet loads of those polled have used it to do the same.

    There's a thing called Co-pilot that keeps getting in my way whilst I'm working.
    Is that like the one in Airplane where you had to blow air into a valve in the groin so it could assist?

    https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=Airplane+Movie+Automatic+Pilot+Scene&&view=riverview&mmscn=mtsc&mid=B8B9C10C2ACF6A7DF0C4B8B9C10C2ACF6A7DF0C4&&aps=132&FORM=VMSOVR
    I'm afraid I don't know. When it forgets to hide the X spot, I close it down.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,214
    viewcode said:

    I'm confused how a cemetery can raise its funeral prices and blame it on the cost of living!

    Unless you are really unlucky, cemeteries are not run by the dead.
    Absolutely. They are run by the undead.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,088
    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    I'm confused how a cemetery can raise its funeral prices and blame it on the cost of living!

    Unless you are really unlucky, cemeteries are not run by the dead.
    Absolutely. They are run by the undead.
    British Gas run cemeteries?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,214
    ydoethur said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    I'm confused how a cemetery can raise its funeral prices and blame it on the cost of living!

    Unless you are really unlucky, cemeteries are not run by the dead.
    Absolutely. They are run by the undead.
    British Gas run cemeteries?
    Of course. How do you think Crematoria work?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,214
    rcs1000 said:

    boulay said:

    rcs1000 said:
    Her takeaway that the British would demand the end of the monarchy if the whole story about him and Epstein was revealed is bollocks though - everyone knows he’s a bad un and clearly people like the POW and Mrs POW and generally know there is no love lost between Andrew and William.

    P Andrew is a gigantic arsehole though and his sense of entitlement seems to similarly inhabit the pea sized brain of Harry too.
    Indeed: the allegations in the book are really ... not good ...

    He had 40 women brought to his hotel room in Thailand over a five-day visit. Aged 26, he had dozens of stuffed animals on his bed, one of which wore a vest that read “It’s tough being a prince.” He missed his daughter’s 12th birthday party to hang out with Epstein at his Miami beach house. He ran up a bill of £325,000 on helicopters and planes in 2005 alone. He let a Libyan gun smuggler pay for a holiday he took to Tunisia and accepted a present of a bugged MacBook Pro from an attractive woman who turned out to be a Russian spy; he later tried to get himself a free Fabergé egg on an official Kremlin tour. In his role as a special representative for the United Kingdom, he earned, in the diplomatic community, the nickname “His Buffoon Highness” by refusing to follow his briefs and perhaps even read them in the first place. Once, driving his £80,000 Range Rover to Royal Lodge in Great Windsor Park, he found that the gates’ sensor was broken, so, rather than taking a 1-mile detour, he rammed them open, causing thousands of pounds’ worth of damage.
    The KGB are so overrated. Who on earth thought that Prince Andrew would know anything that was worth bugging his computer for?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,938

    Evening all. Ive just seen Union Jacks on lampposts in the Socialist Republic of Clive Lewis
    Jenricks arm has grown long indeed

    Jenrick is smashing this out of the park with these stunts. He is embarrassing the Government and if he can get some sectarian violence out of it, it'll be more power to his elbow. Although a bit like he did over the painting incident, when the atmosphere became a little less febrile he didn't look quite so clever, he just came across as an unpleasant opportunist.

    He's building quite a portfolio of being an exxtremist Tory shit. Ultimately it always fails. Even Tory members couldn't stomache Braverman or Patel and Jenrick is outdoing them both.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,214
    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    Christ, the deification of Lucy Connolly is really really wearisome. It’s even worse than the demonisation of her as the next Tommy Robinson.

    She’s not our Mandela. It’s bloody ridiculous.

    She pleaded guilty and was sentenced accordingly.

    Meeting with Trump officials is not hugely persuasive that she isn't an alt-right loony.
    Her sentence was excessive; I'm not even sure custodial was appropriate, and if it it was it should have been weeks rather than months.

    At the same time, she's clearly not a laudable person. I find it strange how anyone can lionise her.
    Our prisons are bursting at the seams, so much so that persistent offenders are let out early on tags to create space. Filling one of those spaces up with a stupid, ignorant, vile person for being stupid, ignorant and vile seemed a suboptimal use of resources to me.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,938
    TV is horrific for Israel today. It has been for weeks but today is the worst. The photos are unbelievable. There's no way back. The scientific definition of famine which is on every newscast makes the Israel retort "All Hamas Lies" look absurd
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,884
    Roger said:

    Evening all. Ive just seen Union Jacks on lampposts in the Socialist Republic of Clive Lewis
    Jenricks arm has grown long indeed

    Jenrick is smashing this out of the park with these stunts. He is embarrassing the Government and if he can get some sectarian violence out of it, it'll be more power to his elbow. Although a bit like he did over the painting incident, when the atmosphere became a little less febrile he didn't look quite so clever, he just came across as an unpleasant opportunist.

    He's building quite a portfolio of being an exxtremist Tory shit. Ultimately it always fails. Even Tory members couldn't stomache Braverman or Patel and Jenrick is outdoing them both.
    The Tory membership is dissipating. (Spell checker offered me disappointing and disappearing)

    Kemi needs to start to actually prepare for government (stop scoffing in the cheap seats!)

    Braverman caused me to leave the party, Jenrick is a mixed bag, and I actually quite like Patel.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,876
    edited August 22
    Sandpit said:

    The other reason I write my own emails is that some of you may have spotted I like to slip in an innuendo every now and then.

    AI cannot do that.

    I also used to put in song titles in professional letters, AI cannot do that either, people appreciate that personal touch/style.

    There’s no limit to your ingenuity.
    Chatgpt, can you draft an example email from a lawyer working in finance to a client, subtly slipping in three song titles by the band steps and an innuendo of some sort?

    Subject: Update on Your Investment Portfolio

    Dear [Client Name],

    I wanted to give you a quick update on your portfolio performance this quarter. As you know, markets have been volatile, but we’ve taken steps to ensure your holdings remain balanced and resilient.

    Looking ahead, there are opportunities that could put you one for sorrow if approached without caution, but with the right structuring, I believe we can make them better best forgotten in the sense that the risks will be effectively managed. On the more positive side, certain fixed-income products are shaping up to be a true tragedy for the issuers—but a potential win for investors like you.

    I’d be happy to run through these in more detail during our next call. Of course, much like the fine print, the devil is in the detail—and I’ll make sure nothing slips through the cracks.

    Warm regards,
    [Lawyer’s Name]
    [Law Firm / Finance Team]

    ...Same as anything with AI, really - it can do it, but the human then needs to check it over to make sure it is true/works/lands properly.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,711
    Roger said:

    TV is horrific for Israel today. It has been for weeks but today is the worst. The photos are unbelievable. There's no way back. The scientific definition of famine which is on every newscast makes the Israel retort "All Hamas Lies" look absurd

    What a day to bury Lucy's escape!
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,938
    Omnium said:

    Roger said:

    Evening all. Ive just seen Union Jacks on lampposts in the Socialist Republic of Clive Lewis
    Jenricks arm has grown long indeed

    Jenrick is smashing this out of the park with these stunts. He is embarrassing the Government and if he can get some sectarian violence out of it, it'll be more power to his elbow. Although a bit like he did over the painting incident, when the atmosphere became a little less febrile he didn't look quite so clever, he just came across as an unpleasant opportunist.

    He's building quite a portfolio of being an exxtremist Tory shit. Ultimately it always fails. Even Tory members couldn't stomache Braverman or Patel and Jenrick is outdoing them both.
    The Tory membership is dissipating. (Spell checker offered me disappointing and disappearing)

    Kemi needs to start to actually prepare for government (stop scoffing in the cheap seats!)

    Braverman caused me to leave the party, Jenrick is a mixed bag, and I actually quite like Patel.
    Full marks for getting a fag paper between Braverman and Patel
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 241
    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    Christ, the deification of Lucy Connolly is really really wearisome. It’s even worse than the demonisation of her as the next Tommy Robinson.

    She’s not our Mandela. It’s bloody ridiculous.

    She pleaded guilty and was sentenced accordingly.

    Meeting with Trump officials is not hugely persuasive that she isn't an alt-right loony.
    Her sentence was excessive; I'm not even sure custodial was appropriate, and if it it was it should have been weeks rather than months.

    At the same time, she's clearly not a laudable person. I find it strange how anyone can lionise her.
    The harsh sentence is a gift for Reform.At the end of the day politics rules, with the added bonus on here of irritating the f*** of all the right people.😂😂😂
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,876
    Cookie said:

    Sandpit said:

    The other reason I write my own emails is that some of you may have spotted I like to slip in an innuendo every now and then.

    AI cannot do that.

    I also used to put in song titles in professional letters, AI cannot do that either, people appreciate that personal touch/style.

    There’s no limit to your ingenuity.
    Chatgpt, can you draft an example email from a lawyer working in finance to a client, subtly slipping in three song titles by the band steps and an innuendo of some sort?

    Subject: Update on Your Investment Portfolio

    Dear [Client Name],

    I wanted to give you a quick update on your portfolio performance this quarter. As you know, markets have been volatile, but we’ve taken steps to ensure your holdings remain balanced and resilient.

    Looking ahead, there are opportunities that could put you one for sorrow if approached without caution, but with the right structuring, I believe we can make them better best forgotten in the sense that the risks will be effectively managed. On the more positive side, certain fixed-income products are shaping up to be a true tragedy for the issuers—but a potential win for investors like you.

    I’d be happy to run through these in more detail during our next call. Of course, much like the fine print, the devil is in the detail—and I’ll make sure nothing slips through the cracks.

    Warm regards,
    [Lawyer’s Name]
    [Law Firm / Finance Team]

    ...Same as anything with AI, really - it can do it, but the human then needs to check it over to make sure it is true/works/lands properly.
    I have now got into a conversation I can't get out of with Chatgpt about exactly how spicy and obvious it wants the innuendo and the merits of the band Steps.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,884
    Roger said:

    Omnium said:

    Roger said:

    Evening all. Ive just seen Union Jacks on lampposts in the Socialist Republic of Clive Lewis
    Jenricks arm has grown long indeed

    Jenrick is smashing this out of the park with these stunts. He is embarrassing the Government and if he can get some sectarian violence out of it, it'll be more power to his elbow. Although a bit like he did over the painting incident, when the atmosphere became a little less febrile he didn't look quite so clever, he just came across as an unpleasant opportunist.

    He's building quite a portfolio of being an exxtremist Tory shit. Ultimately it always fails. Even Tory members couldn't stomache Braverman or Patel and Jenrick is outdoing them both.
    The Tory membership is dissipating. (Spell checker offered me disappointing and disappearing)

    Kemi needs to start to actually prepare for government (stop scoffing in the cheap seats!)

    Braverman caused me to leave the party, Jenrick is a mixed bag, and I actually quite like Patel.
    Full marks for getting a fag paper between Braverman and Patel
    I think that they are chalk and cheese - admittedly both in the specialist chalk section. Speaking of which, there's an MP that needs to return.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,526
    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Ed Davey to make a statement on Gaza

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Carney, a pretty crap Bank of England Governor, folds

    Canada cancels many reciprocal tariffs as Olive branch to Trump.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1958905577611932025?s=61

    Are you an economist? Most people seem to think he did a good job as BoE governor

    It's a bit like Rachel. My shares under her watchful eye have today reached an all-time high So I think she's a genius....

    Reevesy's made me rich!
    At least you have the decency to admit it’s not down to your investment skill. Not quite sure how she did it, as opposed to the respective management teams in the businesses, but she’s in such a hole at the moment she’ll take any credit.

    You’re not an economist, you made tampon ads (Ooooh bodyform, bodyform for you-hoo) and did record covers.
    No I didn't even get an O'level in economics.....

    Sometimes you have to soil yourself for $10,000 a day but what can you do?
    Sell the nappies ? Takes all sorts.

    I got one art O level. It did nothing for me.
    What's the John Bolton story? I don't have access to the rest of the tweet
    FBI raid,

    Alleged to be holding confidential documents.

    Similar to Trump at Mar-a-Lago
    Trump goes after one of his highest profile critics on foreign affairs.

  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,088

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Ed Davey to make a statement on Gaza

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Carney, a pretty crap Bank of England Governor, folds

    Canada cancels many reciprocal tariffs as Olive branch to Trump.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1958905577611932025?s=61

    Are you an economist? Most people seem to think he did a good job as BoE governor

    It's a bit like Rachel. My shares under her watchful eye have today reached an all-time high So I think she's a genius....

    Reevesy's made me rich!
    At least you have the decency to admit it’s not down to your investment skill. Not quite sure how she did it, as opposed to the respective management teams in the businesses, but she’s in such a hole at the moment she’ll take any credit.

    You’re not an economist, you made tampon ads (Ooooh bodyform, bodyform for you-hoo) and did record covers.
    No I didn't even get an O'level in economics.....

    Sometimes you have to soil yourself for $10,000 a day but what can you do?
    Sell the nappies ? Takes all sorts.

    I got one art O level. It did nothing for me.
    What's the John Bolton story? I don't have access to the rest of the tweet
    FBI raid,

    Alleged to be holding confidential documents.

    Similar to Trump at Mar-a-Lago
    Trump goes after one of his highest profile critics on foreign affairs.

    Vance must be nervously looking over his shoulder then.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,619
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    Christ, the deification of Lucy Connolly is really really wearisome. It’s even worse than the demonisation of her as the next Tommy Robinson.

    She’s not our Mandela. It’s bloody ridiculous.

    She pleaded guilty and was sentenced accordingly.

    Meeting with Trump officials is not hugely persuasive that she isn't an alt-right loony.
    Her sentence was excessive; I'm not even sure custodial was appropriate, and if it it was it should have been weeks rather than months.

    At the same time, she's clearly not a laudable person. I find it strange how anyone can lionise her.
    Our prisons are bursting at the seams, so much so that persistent offenders are let out early on tags to create space. Filling one of those spaces up with a stupid, ignorant, vile person for being stupid, ignorant and vile seemed a suboptimal use of resources to me.
    I agree in a narrow sense, but the same logic also applies for a harsh sentence amid widespread rioting; not making an example of her could have led to many more people inciting violence in the way that she did, and consequently violent acts - and we'd have no room in prison for those people either. The judge was explicit about that in the sentencing remarks.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,884
    ** Question Post **

    (Sorry to steal the rather holy 'betting post' idea, but I did just use 2 *'s.)

    So... What actually happened in 1945 onwards that finished up with the Atlee government being tagged as 'oh yes a nice man, did well'?

    Atlee was a catastrophe.

    I ask because I'm not at all sure that politics makes any sense. I plan to bet accordingly. (Loyal to PB)
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,938
    isam said:

    I drove past a house in Stondon Massey nr Brentwood yesterday which had a huge Union Jack flying as well as a billboard saying "i am voting Reform"... have to say it made me think the people living there wouldn't be particularly nice, although if it were any other party I'd avoid them too. You just know they're going to be intense

    Interesting and proof of the importance of how you should concentrate on 'building the brand'. It's the reason that whatever the polls may say Farage's brand is such that his Party will never win
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,705
    edited August 22
    DavidL said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    Christ, the deification of Lucy Connolly is really really wearisome. It’s even worse than the demonisation of her as the next Tommy Robinson.

    She’s not our Mandela. It’s bloody ridiculous.

    She pleaded guilty and was sentenced accordingly.

    Meeting with Trump officials is not hugely persuasive that she isn't an alt-right loony.
    Her sentence was excessive; I'm not even sure custodial was appropriate, and if it it was it should have been weeks rather than months.

    At the same time, she's clearly not a laudable person. I find it strange how anyone can lionise her.
    Our prisons are bursting at the seams, so much so that persistent offenders are let out early on tags to create space. Filling one of those spaces up with a stupid, ignorant, vile person for being stupid, ignorant and vile seemed a suboptimal use of resources to me.
    She was sentenced for a crime that she pled guilty too, under sentencing guidance that was published under Johnson.

    FWIW I agree with you, a suspended sentence and community service (serving meals to asylum seekers perhaps) would have been appropriate. That's the problem with mandatory minimum sentences though, no wonder our prisons are full.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,128
    On the basis of some recent Jamie Oliver-fronted ads, I see "AI" has made it to the washing machine and the fridge, which presumably means the Red Dwarf Talkie Toaster future is only mere weeks away.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,224

    On the basis of some recent Jamie Oliver-fronted ads, I see "AI" has made it to the washing machine and the fridge, which presumably means the Red Dwarf Talkie Toaster future is only mere weeks away.

    "Share and Enjoy!"
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,492
    I saw earlier the Fruits/New/Your Party are opening a Scottish branch so looks like they are going for Holyrood. Good chance they'll get some representation on the lists i'd think
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,171
    Omnium said:

    ** Question Post **

    (Sorry to steal the rather holy 'betting post' idea, but I did just use 2 *'s.)

    So... What actually happened in 1945 onwards that finished up with the Atlee government being tagged as 'oh yes a nice man, did well'?

    Atlee was a catastrophe.

    I ask because I'm not at all sure that politics makes any sense. I plan to bet accordingly. (Loyal to PB)

    OK, I'll play.

    Britain in 1945 was finished - if you think things are bad in 2025, imagine it a thousand times worse and you'll get to 1945. Most of our big towns and cities had significant bomb damage and we were bankrupt. All that separated us from Germany were the level of destruction and the absence of enemy troops on our soil.

    Even if Churchill and the Conservatives had won in July 1945, they would have faced the same horrendous problems including the cold winter of 1947.

    Churchill ran an election campaign matched only in modern times by Rishi Sunak. It was also clear, contrary to the belief in Westminster and the press, while the people accepted him as a wartime leader, they didn't want him in peace time. He was openly booed at Walthamstow and barracked on his tours round the country. Such war time polling as had happened also pointed to a big Labour win.

    Attlee wasn't a catastrophe as you put it, he faced a catastrophe and did a reasonable job managing it. We could no longer afford an Empire and while the way we left India was disgraceful, we had few other options. The new welfare state, the nationalised industries were all things which were popular - people wanted those things under the control of their Government not private individuals.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,186
    Taz said:

    Christ, the deification of Lucy Connolly is really really wearisome. It’s even worse than the demonisation of her as the next Tommy Robinson.

    She’s not our Mandela. It’s bloody ridiculous.

    She pleaded guilty and was sentenced accordingly.

    True but she got a very heavy sentence because she was White and done a racial.

    We all know it.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,547
    viewcode said:

    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    @Sandpit / @Leon

    I love Waymo, but you are absolutely right that the lack of a human to enforce "no litter" means people feel free to leave crap in the back of the car. It's never been really gross with me, but I've had a car arrive with most of a MacDonalds meal spread out across the back seat.

    They are - apparently - going to start using cameras to make sure cars are clean prior to arrival. But it is still a work in progress.

    Zipcar insist you take photos of the exterior and interior before you start and at the end. The images are apparently processed in seconds, so I presume they have a robot scanning them (to make sure you've not trashed the car) not some poor sap in Bangalore. Or they are processed later?

    Either way it's very efficient, delays you by about 30 seconds, and seems to work. Why can't Waymo use the same tech?
    They can, and they will.

    But they're like any sensible startup: get it launched, move quickly, and only fix things when when people complain about them.

    Waymo - a year from now - will have automatic scanning (which will also make sure you haven't left your phone behind), and if you leave trash more than once, will charge you a fee or ban you from the system. It's just not there yet.
    Oh I am sure they will

    I am eagerly awaiting our driverless, private-car-less future

    It is going to be utterly transformative for big cities, and make them SO much nicer and greener (and we will save so much money - and also lives)
    Do you ever look at old photos of our cities and wonder why they look so neat, with clean lines and open spaces? It's because we have covered our public realm with the infrastructure required for human drivers; traffic lights, signs, road markings. We even pull up setts (cobbles) and replace with tarmac, remove trees to increase visibility and so on.

    That can all change in the future.
    I recently scared a Green by a sketch of what a world using ground effect electric flying vehicles could be like.
    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/05/12/solarpunk/
    Yeah - something like that.

    I was suggesting one mode - where efficient electrically power transport stabilises on (semi)
    automated ground effect vehicles.

    You’d define roads and high ways with some passive markers, every few yards. Might not even need that - virtual reality highways defined in the navigation systems.

    No more tarmac - traffic would skim above the ground.

    So road building would end. Road maintenance would consist of flying a cutting machine to mow a lane through the grass, once in a while.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,956
    isam said:

    I drove past a house in Stondon Massey nr Brentwood yesterday which had a huge Union Jack flying as well as a billboard saying "i am voting Reform"... have to say it made me think the people living there wouldn't be particularly nice, although if it were any other party I'd avoid them too. You just know they're going to be intense

    My previous neighbour had a life-size David Cameron cardboard cut-out in his hallway. If I didn't know TSE lived in Yorkshire I'd have my suspicions.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,057
    stodge said:

    Omnium said:

    ** Question Post **

    (Sorry to steal the rather holy 'betting post' idea, but I did just use 2 *'s.)

    So... What actually happened in 1945 onwards that finished up with the Atlee government being tagged as 'oh yes a nice man, did well'?

    Atlee was a catastrophe.

    I ask because I'm not at all sure that politics makes any sense. I plan to bet accordingly. (Loyal to PB)

    OK, I'll play.

    Britain in 1945 was finished - if you think things are bad in 2025, imagine it a thousand times worse and you'll get to 1945. Most of our big towns and cities had significant bomb damage and we were bankrupt. All that separated us from Germany were the level of destruction and the absence of enemy troops on our soil.

    Even if Churchill and the Conservatives had won in July 1945, they would have faced the same horrendous problems including the cold winter of 1947.

    Churchill ran an election campaign matched only in modern times by Rishi Sunak. It was also clear, contrary to the belief in Westminster and the press, while the people accepted him as a wartime leader, they didn't want him in peace time. He was openly booed at Walthamstow and barracked on his tours round the country. Such war time polling as had happened also pointed to a big Labour win.

    Attlee wasn't a catastrophe as you put it, he faced a catastrophe and did a reasonable job managing it. We could no longer afford an Empire and while the way we left India was disgraceful, we had few other options. The new welfare state, the nationalised industries were all things which were popular - people wanted those things under the control of their Government not private individuals.
    He also got an atom bomb out of it, at the cost of slowing everything else down.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,526

    Taz said:

    Christ, the deification of Lucy Connolly is really really wearisome. It’s even worse than the demonisation of her as the next Tommy Robinson.

    She’s not our Mandela. It’s bloody ridiculous.

    She pleaded guilty and was sentenced accordingly.

    True but she got a very heavy sentence because she was White and done a racial.

    We all know it.
    If, and it is fucking huge 'if', this were true what has it to do with Starmer?

    The courts made their decision.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,526
    "African Americans ladies, beautiful ladies, are saying 'please President Trump, come to Chicago'"

    "i did great with the black vote, as you know"

    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1958942450237472826
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 45,057
    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    I drove past a house in Stondon Massey nr Brentwood yesterday which had a huge Union Jack flying as well as a billboard saying "i am voting Reform"... have to say it made me think the people living there wouldn't be particularly nice, although if it were any other party I'd avoid them too. You just know they're going to be intense

    My previous neighbour had a life-size David Cameron cardboard cut-out in his hallway. If I didn't know TSE lived in Yorkshire I'd have my suspicions.
    Obviously apotropaic. Like plastic owls on the roof, and sound recordings of enormous dogs baying and barking. The question is, whom or what was it protecting against?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,186

    Taz said:

    Christ, the deification of Lucy Connolly is really really wearisome. It’s even worse than the demonisation of her as the next Tommy Robinson.

    She’s not our Mandela. It’s bloody ridiculous.

    She pleaded guilty and was sentenced accordingly.

    True but she got a very heavy sentence because she was White and done a racial.

    We all know it.
    If, and it is fucking huge 'if', this were true what has it to do with Starmer?

    The courts made their decision.
    He's one of them, he was DPP and he channels their values.

    He can't distance himself from the culture. Especially when he sometimes accidentally echoes it.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,122

    I saw earlier the Fruits/New/Your Party are opening a Scottish branch so looks like they are going for Holyrood. Good chance they'll get some representation on the lists i'd think

    Er, no. No room for them at the inn. Very much doubt they'll do a Tommy Sheridan and break through.

    If Alba can't cut it with all the scope there is with disillusioned nationalists, an outfit led by Corbs and Sultana certainly won't. The Scottish Greens are now too well-established.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,122

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Ed Davey to make a statement on Gaza

    Taz said:

    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    Carney, a pretty crap Bank of England Governor, folds

    Canada cancels many reciprocal tariffs as Olive branch to Trump.

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1958905577611932025?s=61

    Are you an economist? Most people seem to think he did a good job as BoE governor

    It's a bit like Rachel. My shares under her watchful eye have today reached an all-time high So I think she's a genius....

    Reevesy's made me rich!
    At least you have the decency to admit it’s not down to your investment skill. Not quite sure how she did it, as opposed to the respective management teams in the businesses, but she’s in such a hole at the moment she’ll take any credit.

    You’re not an economist, you made tampon ads (Ooooh bodyform, bodyform for you-hoo) and did record covers.
    No I didn't even get an O'level in economics.....

    Sometimes you have to soil yourself for $10,000 a day but what can you do?
    Sell the nappies ? Takes all sorts.

    I got one art O level. It did nothing for me.
    What's the John Bolton story? I don't have access to the rest of the tweet
    FBI raid,

    Alleged to be holding confidential documents.

    Similar to Trump at Mar-a-Lago
    Trump goes after one of his highest profile critics on foreign affairs.

    Trump's already withdrawn Bolton's secret service protection. Obviously aiming to get him one way or another.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,705

    Taz said:

    Christ, the deification of Lucy Connolly is really really wearisome. It’s even worse than the demonisation of her as the next Tommy Robinson.

    She’s not our Mandela. It’s bloody ridiculous.

    She pleaded guilty and was sentenced accordingly.

    True but she got a very heavy sentence because she was White and done a racial.

    We all know it.
    If, and it is fucking huge 'if', this were true what has it to do with Starmer?

    The courts made their decision.
    He's one of them, he was DPP and he channels their values.

    He can't distance himself from the culture. Especially when he sometimes accidentally echoes it.
    The law was written when Thatcher was in power, the sentencing guidance when Johnson was in power.

    So what has it got to do with Starmer?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,214

    I saw earlier the Fruits/New/Your Party are opening a Scottish branch so looks like they are going for Holyrood. Good chance they'll get some representation on the lists i'd think

    Er, no. No room for them at the inn. Very much doubt they'll do a Tommy Sheridan and break through.

    If Alba can't cut it with all the scope there is with disillusioned nationalists, an outfit led by Corbs and Sultana certainly won't. The Scottish Greens are now too well-established.
    Like knotweed.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,956
    Carnyx said:

    kinabalu said:

    isam said:

    I drove past a house in Stondon Massey nr Brentwood yesterday which had a huge Union Jack flying as well as a billboard saying "i am voting Reform"... have to say it made me think the people living there wouldn't be particularly nice, although if it were any other party I'd avoid them too. You just know they're going to be intense

    My previous neighbour had a life-size David Cameron cardboard cut-out in his hallway. If I didn't know TSE lived in Yorkshire I'd have my suspicions.
    Obviously apotropaic. Like plastic owls on the roof, and sound recordings of enormous dogs baying and barking. The question is, whom or what was it protecting against?
    Ah yes I suppose it could have been to scare away champagne socialists. But given this was Hampstead that would have been quite isolating.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,492

    I saw earlier the Fruits/New/Your Party are opening a Scottish branch so looks like they are going for Holyrood. Good chance they'll get some representation on the lists i'd think

    Er, no. No room for them at the inn. Very much doubt they'll do a Tommy Sheridan and break through.

    If Alba can't cut it with all the scope there is with disillusioned nationalists, an outfit led by Corbs and Sultana certainly won't. The Scottish Greens are now too well-established.
    I'll have to agree to disagree. I think they could hit 5 to 7% in a region and pick up a list seat.
    They've more chance in Scotland than in Wales certainly
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