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  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,861
    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    https://theface.com/style/stone-island-badge-get-the-badge-in-menswear-fashion-style
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gethebadgein/
    'Unless you've never left the house' you'll be aware of this, apparently, and also that a raft of twattish celebrities have jumped eagerly aboard the bandwagon. I'm no high court judge but this had never crossed my radar before today.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,818

    'kin 'ell.

    It's all going to end up like Pinochet's Chile.

    If Bolton is deemed a commie traitor, I don't see much hope for the likes of Schiff and Newsom.
    So Bolton being accused of mishandling classified information! Quite extraordinary given what Trump go upto . And the head of the FBI saying no one is above the law !
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,986

    Scott_xP said:

    @MrEwanMorrison

    Say farewell to the AI bubble, and get ready for the crash.

    “The thought was that this growth would be exponential,” says Alex Hanna, a technology critic. Instead, Hanna says, “We’re hitting a wall.”

    https://x.com/MrEwanMorrison/status/1958672284883067273

    I think we can all see the utility that AI can conceivably deliver. If businesses aren’t seeing the benefits of it yet, they will do in due course. Whether that’s going to be as quick as predicted… hmmm.

    The problem is that AI is still highly fallible. As a very casual user, the confidence I have in its output varies from topic to topic, but probably averages at about 60-80%. In many professional settings, that just isn’t enough of a confidence level to relinquish control entirely and rely on the output. In time, I’m sure that will change.

    I have never been on the everybody is out of a job train. But if you aren't getting productivity gains even out of the current models you aren't using them correctly.

    One thing that is missing is a) making them as easy as possible to use for the every day tasks in real jobs and b) plumbing systems together so they can interact without having to know how to code. It is very much like the early internet, geeks have worked out how to script things to plumb things together but they aren't user friendly to the layman. All these software devs talking about spinning up multiple agents who plan and execute coding tasks and then automatically push to git, isn't what most people's jobs involve.

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Putin was never going to, and likely will never agree to meet Zelensky.
    The current Russian regime simply won't accept Ukraine as a sovereign nation, and symbolic events matter to them (a sharp contrast with Trump, who appears not to have had a clue what inviting Putin to meet on US soil implied).

    Russian FM Lavrov makes clear that there’s no Putin-Zelensky bilateral meeting planned nor is one happening anytime soon: “There is no meeting planned. And I'm not challenging this, but you -- you cannot, cannot, I think, understand what I am saying. Putin is ready to meet with Zelenskyy when the agenda would be ready for a summit. And this agenda is not ready at all.”
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1958859584296108513

    Trump has a press conference scheduled for midday.

    Has the penny finally dropped that the Russians are playing him for time and have no interest in peace, while the whole of Europe is steadfast behind supporting Ukraine to keep fighting?
    What do you think ?

    My prediction is he'll give him another "two weeks".
    I’d like to think he’s done with the games.

    To be fair to Trump his crazy brand of diplomacy has worked so far with other situations, but I think he has until now failed to understand the Russian mindset wrt Ukraine, and also underestimated the European resolve to put Putin firmly back in his box.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,520
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Putin was never going to, and likely will never agree to meet Zelensky.
    The current Russian regime simply won't accept Ukraine as a sovereign nation, and symbolic events matter to them (a sharp contrast with Trump, who appears not to have had a clue what inviting Putin to meet on US soil implied).

    Russian FM Lavrov makes clear that there’s no Putin-Zelensky bilateral meeting planned nor is one happening anytime soon: “There is no meeting planned. And I'm not challenging this, but you -- you cannot, cannot, I think, understand what I am saying. Putin is ready to meet with Zelenskyy when the agenda would be ready for a summit. And this agenda is not ready at all.”
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1958859584296108513

    Trump has a press conference scheduled for midday.

    Has the penny finally dropped that the Russians are playing him for time and have no interest in peace, while the whole of Europe is steadfast behind supporting Ukraine to keep fighting?
    What do you think ?

    My prediction is he'll give him another "two weeks".
    I’d like to think he’s done with the games.

    To be fair to Trump his crazy brand of diplomacy has worked so far with other situations, but I think he has until now failed to understand the Russian mindset wrt Ukraine, and also underestimated the European resolve to put Putin firmly back in his box.
    Trump has no understanding of history, so doesn't understand how culturally important some parts of Ukraine are to Russia. The two are, AIUI, inextricably linked.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,509
    a

    Diabetes smartphone test could diagnose condition in under 10 minutes
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/diabetes-health-check-smartphone-app-nhs-b2812419.html

    I did not expect that Foxy's job would be the first victim of AI.

    There's tons of early diagnosis stuff coming down the road. Smart watches in particular can see all kinds of symptoms early.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,439
    An independent judiciary, and politically neutral law enforcement in the US has about a year to go.
    If the GOP wins the midterms, then it's done.

    At this rate, Vance's unelectibility in 2028 won't matter at all.

    The FBI raided the home of John Bolton, Trump’s former national security adviser turned fierce Trump critic.
    FBI Director Kash Patel tweeted, “No one is above the law… FBI agents on mission.”

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1958860296186991066

    Trump now threatening "harsh" retaliatory action against Colorado if it does not immediately free Tina Peters, who is serving a nine-year prison sentence for breaching election systems in pursuit of evidence to support Trump's 2020 election lies.
    https://x.com/MattGertz/status/1958513762618466484

    Alina Habba: “We will not fall to rogue judges, we will not fall to people trying to be political when they should just be doing their job: respecting the president.”
    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1958713148619317440
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,397

    Scott_xP said:

    @MrEwanMorrison

    Say farewell to the AI bubble, and get ready for the crash.

    “The thought was that this growth would be exponential,” says Alex Hanna, a technology critic. Instead, Hanna says, “We’re hitting a wall.”

    https://x.com/MrEwanMorrison/status/1958672284883067273

    I think we can all see the utility that AI can conceivably deliver. If businesses aren’t seeing the benefits of it yet, they will do in due course. Whether that’s going to be as quick as predicted… hmmm.

    The problem is that AI is still highly fallible. As a very casual user, the confidence I have in its output varies from topic to topic, but probably averages at about 60-80%. In many professional settings, that just isn’t enough of a confidence level to relinquish control entirely and rely on the output. In time, I’m sure that will change.

    I have never been on the everybody is out of a job train. But if you aren't getting productivity gains even out of the current models you aren't using them correctly.

    One thing that is missing is a) making them as easy as possible to use for the every day tasks in real jobs and b) plumbing systems together so they can interact without having to know how to code. It is very much like the early internet, geeks have worked out how to script things to plumb things together but they aren't user friendly to the layman. All these software devs talking about spinning up multiple agents who plan and execute coding tasks and then automatically push to git, isn't what most people's jobs involve.

    My limited experience of AI is you have to know enough to say, hold on, that can't be right because... Perhaps the solution is to ask straight out for its third guess.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,393

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    https://theface.com/style/stone-island-badge-get-the-badge-in-menswear-fashion-style
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gethebadgein/
    And here I was thinking that it was an ad for a party organised by @Dura_Ace - hookers, blow, a sleepy leopard & NATO
    Sounds like a typical night out for me out at university, except for the hookers, blow, and a sleepy leopard (tiger).

    Honestly second year at uni and the NATO intervention to stop genocide was all the rage, those were the days, especially as the SNP leader at the time was pro genocide.
    Being pro-Serb is another of those causes where the horseshoe effect applies.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,986
    edited August 22

    Scott_xP said:

    @MrEwanMorrison

    Say farewell to the AI bubble, and get ready for the crash.

    “The thought was that this growth would be exponential,” says Alex Hanna, a technology critic. Instead, Hanna says, “We’re hitting a wall.”

    https://x.com/MrEwanMorrison/status/1958672284883067273

    I think we can all see the utility that AI can conceivably deliver. If businesses aren’t seeing the benefits of it yet, they will do in due course. Whether that’s going to be as quick as predicted… hmmm.

    The problem is that AI is still highly fallible. As a very casual user, the confidence I have in its output varies from topic to topic, but probably averages at about 60-80%. In many professional settings, that just isn’t enough of a confidence level to relinquish control entirely and rely on the output. In time, I’m sure that will change.

    I have never been on the everybody is out of a job train. But if you aren't getting productivity gains even out of the current models you aren't using them correctly.

    One thing that is missing is a) making them as easy as possible to use for the every day tasks in real jobs and b) plumbing systems together so they can interact without having to know how to code. It is very much like the early internet, geeks have worked out how to script things to plumb things together but they aren't user friendly to the layman. All these software devs talking about spinning up multiple agents who plan and execute coding tasks and then automatically push to git, isn't what most people's jobs involve.

    My limited experience of AI is you have to know enough to say, hold on, that can't be right because... Perhaps the solution is to ask straight out for its third guess.
    This really isn't true of the SOTA models now.

    And for loads of tasks that take up huge amounts of peoples time it is more than enough to get you 80-90% of the way e.g. writing emails, reports, slides, code. Yes you still need to read / edit, but its a lot faster to give it the bullet points, have it generate the prose, and then do a scan and edit. And the quality of the prose is better than I can write without spending a lot of time.

    AI writes most of my code these days.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,687
    edited August 22
    Nigelb said:

    An independent judiciary, and politically neutral law enforcement in the US has about a year to go.
    If the GOP wins the midterms, then it's done.

    At this rate, Vance's unelectibility in 2028 won't matter at all.

    The FBI raided the home of John Bolton, Trump’s former national security adviser turned fierce Trump critic.
    FBI Director Kash Patel tweeted, “No one is above the law… FBI agents on mission.”

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1958860296186991066

    Trump now threatening "harsh" retaliatory action against Colorado if it does not immediately free Tina Peters, who is serving a nine-year prison sentence for breaching election systems in pursuit of evidence to support Trump's 2020 election lies.
    https://x.com/MattGertz/status/1958513762618466484

    Alina Habba: “We will not fall to rogue judges, we will not fall to people trying to be political when they should just be doing their job: respecting the president.”
    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1958713148619317440

    The FBI raid against John Bolton looks somewhat suspicious but we wait and see what evidence they had for the raid first in terms of handling classified information.

    It could well split the GOP, certainly its establishment neocon wing would have sympathy with Bolton.

    Trump would need a much higher approval rating for a GOP win in the midterms
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,818
    The USA shouldn’t be considered a functioning democracy anymore . It was good while it lasted !
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,648
    ...
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Putin was never going to, and likely will never agree to meet Zelensky.
    The current Russian regime simply won't accept Ukraine as a sovereign nation, and symbolic events matter to them (a sharp contrast with Trump, who appears not to have had a clue what inviting Putin to meet on US soil implied).

    Russian FM Lavrov makes clear that there’s no Putin-Zelensky bilateral meeting planned nor is one happening anytime soon: “There is no meeting planned. And I'm not challenging this, but you -- you cannot, cannot, I think, understand what I am saying. Putin is ready to meet with Zelenskyy when the agenda would be ready for a summit. And this agenda is not ready at all.”
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1958859584296108513

    Trump has a press conference scheduled for midday.

    Has the penny finally dropped that the Russians are playing him for time and have no interest in peace, while the whole of Europe is steadfast behind supporting Ukraine to keep fighting?
    What do you think ?

    My prediction is he'll give him another "two weeks".
    I’d like to think he’s done with the games.

    To be fair to Trump his crazy brand of diplomacy has worked so far with other situations, but I think he has until now failed to understand the Russian mindset wrt Ukraine, and also underestimated the European resolve to put Putin firmly back in his box.
    For many years you have naively tried to sane wash Trump. He is not a 12D chess genius. The man is ignorant, clueless and barely literate.

    The World is a much more dangerous place since January 20th.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,687
    nico67 said:

    The USA shouldn’t be considered a functioning democracy anymore . It was good while it lasted !

    No, that would require the Democratic party to be banned and President Trump declared President for life by the SC with the support of the military to enforce that, the US is still some way from that
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,374
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    Perhaps sympathy for being

    1. Held on remand because starmer wanted it

    2. Bullied into pleading guilty

    3. Being given a ridiculously long jail sentence for a misjudged tweet

    4. Being madly mistreated while in jail

    5. Even as Labour councillors get off scot free for publicly demanding the slitting of throats
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,509
    Sean_F said:

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    https://theface.com/style/stone-island-badge-get-the-badge-in-menswear-fashion-style
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gethebadgein/
    And here I was thinking that it was an ad for a party organised by @Dura_Ace - hookers, blow, a sleepy leopard & NATO
    Sounds like a typical night out for me out at university, except for the hookers, blow, and a sleepy leopard (tiger).

    Honestly second year at uni and the NATO intervention to stop genocide was all the rage, those were the days, especially as the SNP leader at the time was pro genocide.
    Being pro-Serb is another of those causes where the horseshoe effect applies.
    It was quite interesting, as student, to watch the SWPers and even more extreme lefties er..... lionising over this rum blossom -

    image
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,884
    Nigelb said:

    An independent judiciary, and politically neutral law enforcement in the US has about a year to go.
    If the GOP wins the midterms, then it's done.

    At this rate, Vance's unelectibility in 2028 won't matter at all.

    The FBI raided the home of John Bolton, Trump’s former national security adviser turned fierce Trump critic.
    FBI Director Kash Patel tweeted, “No one is above the law… FBI agents on mission.”

    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1958860296186991066

    Trump now threatening "harsh" retaliatory action against Colorado if it does not immediately free Tina Peters, who is serving a nine-year prison sentence for breaching election systems in pursuit of evidence to support Trump's 2020 election lies.
    https://x.com/MattGertz/status/1958513762618466484

    Alina Habba: “We will not fall to rogue judges, we will not fall to people trying to be political when they should just be doing their job: respecting the president.”
    https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1958713148619317440

    "No one is above the law"

    That's not quite right, is it.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,393

    a

    Diabetes smartphone test could diagnose condition in under 10 minutes
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/diabetes-health-check-smartphone-app-nhs-b2812419.html

    I did not expect that Foxy's job would be the first victim of AI.

    There's tons of early diagnosis stuff coming down the road. Smart watches in particular can see all kinds of symptoms early.

    Twelve years ago, my life was saved by a hospital GP who diagnosed me with appendicitis the moment he saw me. My own GP had diagnosed indigestion.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    Sean_F said:

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    https://theface.com/style/stone-island-badge-get-the-badge-in-menswear-fashion-style
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gethebadgein/
    And here I was thinking that it was an ad for a party organised by @Dura_Ace - hookers, blow, a sleepy leopard & NATO
    Sounds like a typical night out for me out at university, except for the hookers, blow, and a sleepy leopard (tiger).

    Honestly second year at uni and the NATO intervention to stop genocide was all the rage, those were the days, especially as the SNP leader at the time was pro genocide.
    Being pro-Serb is another of those causes where the horseshoe effect applies.
    It was weird, I had some friends who were like, what’s going on in Kosovo is terrible, we [The West] should do something, when Blair & Clinton did do something it was like, well not that.

    They were a loss when I asked them how they would stop the potential mass extermination of people.
  • Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @MrEwanMorrison

    Say farewell to the AI bubble, and get ready for the crash.

    “The thought was that this growth would be exponential,” says Alex Hanna, a technology critic. Instead, Hanna says, “We’re hitting a wall.”

    https://x.com/MrEwanMorrison/status/1958672284883067273

    Interestingly (well, to me, anyway) the upper ceiling of AI may be close for physical reasons - it may be we are close to the point where chips can't be made any smaller and more efficient than they are.
    I'd have thought that even if that were the case we could still twist a lot more gains out of the software though.

    Also interestingly - at least two young people I know refuse to use it on principle.
    There's still a lot of headroom in the hardware. We're mostly running AI on GPUs right now, those have been tweaked over the last couple of generations to work better with AI workloads but the core architecture was designed for games and general compute tasks.

    Custom hardware for LLMs will probably start to become a viable choice in the next 2 years or so, and will rapidly bury GPUs after that. By 2030 I expect we'll be seeing 2-4x compute density for any given power and space budget vs GPUs.

    It's pretty much what we saw with Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies; early work is done on CPUs to ease development, progressing to GPUs for higher performance, and finally there's enough money to fund custom ASICs designed to do just one job very well.

    But the AI models themselves are not progressing at anything like the recent rate. ChatGPT 5 is a good example, it's better than 4 in some ways but not all. Progress is starting to become uneven.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,818
    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    The USA shouldn’t be considered a functioning democracy anymore . It was good while it lasted !

    No, that would require the Democratic party to be banned and President Trump declared President for life by the SC with the support of the military to enforce that, the US is still some way from that
    Give it time !
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    Perhaps sympathy for being

    1. Held on remand because starmer wanted it

    2. Bullied into pleading guilty

    3. Being given a ridiculously long jail sentence for a misjudged tweet

    4. Being madly mistreated while in jail

    5. Even as Labour councillors get off scot free for publicly demanding the slitting of throats
    Links for all those allegations from reputable sources please..

    Some of those comments can get the site into trouble.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,648
    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    The USA shouldn’t be considered a functioning democracy anymore . It was good while it lasted !

    No, that would require the Democratic party to be banned and President Trump declared President for life by the SC with the support of the military to enforce that, the US is still some way from that
    Democrats from Texas arrested. The Federally sequestered State National Guard patrolling the streets of DC and LA, and 6 out of 9 SC judges comfortably in the Trump camp.

    Would you like to reassess your judgement?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,393

    Sean_F said:

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    https://theface.com/style/stone-island-badge-get-the-badge-in-menswear-fashion-style
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gethebadgein/
    And here I was thinking that it was an ad for a party organised by @Dura_Ace - hookers, blow, a sleepy leopard & NATO
    Sounds like a typical night out for me out at university, except for the hookers, blow, and a sleepy leopard (tiger).

    Honestly second year at uni and the NATO intervention to stop genocide was all the rage, those were the days, especially as the SNP leader at the time was pro genocide.
    Being pro-Serb is another of those causes where the horseshoe effect applies.
    It was weird, I had some friends who were like, what’s going on in Kosovo is terrible, we [The West] should do something, when Blair & Clinton did do something it was like, well not that.

    They were a loss when I asked them how they would stop the potential mass extermination of people.
    Peter Hitchens and Sir Alfred Sherman were among the pro-Serbs.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,986
    edited August 22

    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @MrEwanMorrison

    Say farewell to the AI bubble, and get ready for the crash.

    “The thought was that this growth would be exponential,” says Alex Hanna, a technology critic. Instead, Hanna says, “We’re hitting a wall.”

    https://x.com/MrEwanMorrison/status/1958672284883067273

    Interestingly (well, to me, anyway) the upper ceiling of AI may be close for physical reasons - it may be we are close to the point where chips can't be made any smaller and more efficient than they are.
    I'd have thought that even if that were the case we could still twist a lot more gains out of the software though.

    Also interestingly - at least two young people I know refuse to use it on principle.
    There's still a lot of headroom in the hardware. We're mostly running AI on GPUs right now, those have been tweaked over the last couple of generations to work better with AI workloads but the core architecture was designed for games and general compute tasks.

    Custom hardware for LLMs will probably start to become a viable choice in the next 2 years or so, and will rapidly bury GPUs after that. By 2030 I expect we'll be seeing 2-4x compute density for any given power and space budget vs GPUs.

    It's pretty much what we saw with Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies; early work is done on CPUs to ease development, progressing to GPUs for higher performance, and finally there's enough money to fund custom ASICs designed to do just one job very well.

    But the AI models themselves are not progressing at anything like the recent rate. ChatGPT 5 is a good example, it's better than 4 in some ways but not all. Progress is starting to become uneven.
    Google interestingly run on their custom TPU chips, which they quietly keep improving and who they don't share with anybody else.

    JAX is Google ML framework which runs seamlessly on CPU, GPU or TPU, and has already become the default choice for LLMs.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613
    Cookie said:

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    https://theface.com/style/stone-island-badge-get-the-badge-in-menswear-fashion-style
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gethebadgein/
    'Unless you've never left the house' you'll be aware of this, apparently, and also that a raft of twattish celebrities have jumped eagerly aboard the bandwagon. I'm no high court judge but this had never crossed my radar before today.
    So they’ve graduated to Stone Island from the fake Burberry that used to be the fashion back in the day? IIRC Burberry spent millions working with trading standards to take out all the market stalls that were trashing their brand.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,509

    Sean_F said:

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    https://theface.com/style/stone-island-badge-get-the-badge-in-menswear-fashion-style
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gethebadgein/
    And here I was thinking that it was an ad for a party organised by @Dura_Ace - hookers, blow, a sleepy leopard & NATO
    Sounds like a typical night out for me out at university, except for the hookers, blow, and a sleepy leopard (tiger).

    Honestly second year at uni and the NATO intervention to stop genocide was all the rage, those were the days, especially as the SNP leader at the time was pro genocide.
    Being pro-Serb is another of those causes where the horseshoe effect applies.
    It was weird, I had some friends who were like, what’s going on in Kosovo is terrible, we [The West] should do something, when Blair & Clinton did do something it was like, well not that.

    They were a loss when I asked them how they would stop the potential mass extermination of people.
    The final intervention - arming the anti-Serb forces and supporting them - was actually carried out with some skill.

    Remembering the adage that in the Balkans, the one committing the crimes are the ones with the guns, the Americans kept the Croats etc on a tight leash. When as was inevitable, some units started getting bit war-crimey, the Americans cut them off from logistical and air support. So they got slaughtered in Serb counter attacks.

    By the end of the offensive, this system of Darwinian selection had yielded an army that could enter an "enemy" town with shooting the locals.

    I note that Lord Turd has railed at Maggie Thatcher's earlier plea to arm the non-Serb groups (the Serbs had the majority of the equipment of the former Yugoslav Army). Called it "Levelling the killing field" IIRC.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    edited August 22
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    https://theface.com/style/stone-island-badge-get-the-badge-in-menswear-fashion-style
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gethebadgein/
    And here I was thinking that it was an ad for a party organised by @Dura_Ace - hookers, blow, a sleepy leopard & NATO
    Sounds like a typical night out for me out at university, except for the hookers, blow, and a sleepy leopard (tiger).

    Honestly second year at uni and the NATO intervention to stop genocide was all the rage, those were the days, especially as the SNP leader at the time was pro genocide.
    Being pro-Serb is another of those causes where the horseshoe effect applies.
    It was weird, I had some friends who were like, what’s going on in Kosovo is terrible, we [The West] should do something, when Blair & Clinton did do something it was like, well not that.

    They were a loss when I asked them how they would stop the potential mass extermination of people.
    Peter Hitchens and Sir Alfred Sherman were among the pro-Serbs.
    There was also that Labour MP who was weirdly pro Serb at the time.

    Edit - Bob Wareing.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,986
    edited August 22
    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    https://theface.com/style/stone-island-badge-get-the-badge-in-menswear-fashion-style
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gethebadgein/
    'Unless you've never left the house' you'll be aware of this, apparently, and also that a raft of twattish celebrities have jumped eagerly aboard the bandwagon. I'm no high court judge but this had never crossed my radar before today.
    So they’ve graduated to Stone Island from the fake Burberry that used to be the fashion back in the day? IIRC Burberry spent millions working with trading standards to take out all the market stalls that were trashing their brand.
    Hackett, the brand for polo players, became a very strange fashion must have for football casual for a while.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613

    a

    Diabetes smartphone test could diagnose condition in under 10 minutes
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/diabetes-health-check-smartphone-app-nhs-b2812419.html

    I did not expect that Foxy's job would be the first victim of AI.

    There's tons of early diagnosis stuff coming down the road. Smart watches in particular can see all kinds of symptoms early.

    Big Medical Device is trying their best to take out Apple with patents in the US. However Apple is also willing to spend hundreds of millions on lawyers, the sort of opponent they’re not used to seeing.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,648
    edited August 22
    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    Perhaps sympathy for being

    1. Held on remand because starmer wanted it

    2. Bullied into pleading guilty

    3. Being given a ridiculously long jail sentence for a misjudged tweet

    4. Being madly mistreated while in jail

    5. Even as Labour councillors get off scot free for publicly demanding the slitting of throats
    1 to 4 are quite probably bollocks, but 5 is a blatant lie. The Labour guy, whose commentary was vile and unacceptable took his chances with a jury. That is fact.

    1 and possibly 4 are probably libellous/slanderous.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,744
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Putin was never going to, and likely will never agree to meet Zelensky.
    The current Russian regime simply won't accept Ukraine as a sovereign nation, and symbolic events matter to them (a sharp contrast with Trump, who appears not to have had a clue what inviting Putin to meet on US soil implied).

    Russian FM Lavrov makes clear that there’s no Putin-Zelensky bilateral meeting planned nor is one happening anytime soon: “There is no meeting planned. And I'm not challenging this, but you -- you cannot, cannot, I think, understand what I am saying. Putin is ready to meet with Zelenskyy when the agenda would be ready for a summit. And this agenda is not ready at all.”
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1958859584296108513

    Trump has a press conference scheduled for midday.

    Has the penny finally dropped that the Russians are playing him for time and have no interest in peace, while the whole of Europe is steadfast behind supporting Ukraine to keep fighting?
    What do you think ?

    My prediction is he'll give him another "two weeks".
    I’d like to think he’s done with the games.

    To be fair to Trump his crazy brand of diplomacy has worked so far with other situations, but I think he has until now failed to understand the Russian mindset wrt Ukraine, and also underestimated the European resolve to put Putin firmly back in his box.
    Where has Trump's "crazy brand of diplomacy" "worked so far"? The US's reputation around the world is in the toilet. As an example, Canadians hate him and are boycotting holidays in the US. He's done nothing to help the situation in Gaza. He claimed to bring peace between India and Pakistan, but they said he wasn't really involved.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,509
    Sean_F said:

    a

    Diabetes smartphone test could diagnose condition in under 10 minutes
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/diabetes-health-check-smartphone-app-nhs-b2812419.html

    I did not expect that Foxy's job would be the first victim of AI.

    There's tons of early diagnosis stuff coming down the road. Smart watches in particular can see all kinds of symptoms early.

    Twelve years ago, my life was saved by a hospital GP who diagnosed me with appendicitis the moment he saw me. My own GP had diagnosed indigestion.
    These systems and ideas aren't a substitute for doctors - they compliment them. See the way that eye tests now pick up a whole host of medical conditions.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    Sandpit said:

    a

    Diabetes smartphone test could diagnose condition in under 10 minutes
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/diabetes-health-check-smartphone-app-nhs-b2812419.html

    I did not expect that Foxy's job would be the first victim of AI.

    There's tons of early diagnosis stuff coming down the road. Smart watches in particular can see all kinds of symptoms early.

    Big Medical Device is trying their best to take out Apple with patents in the US. However Apple is also willing to spend hundreds of millions on lawyers, the sort of opponent they’re not used to seeing.
    Apple are the best.

    I love how Google have invented ‘The Snap’ for charging their phones even The Snap looks a lot like Apple’s MagSafe.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    https://theface.com/style/stone-island-badge-get-the-badge-in-menswear-fashion-style
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gethebadgein/
    'Unless you've never left the house' you'll be aware of this, apparently, and also that a raft of twattish celebrities have jumped eagerly aboard the bandwagon. I'm no high court judge but this had never crossed my radar before today.
    So they’ve graduated to Stone Island from the fake Burberry that used to be the fashion back in the day? IIRC Burberry spent millions working with trading standards to take out all the market stalls that were trashing their brand.
    Hackett, the brand for polo players, became a very strange fashion must have for football casual for a while.
    I used to love Hackett but have to give up the brand for those reasons.
  • Scott_xP said:

    @MrEwanMorrison

    Say farewell to the AI bubble, and get ready for the crash.

    “The thought was that this growth would be exponential,” says Alex Hanna, a technology critic. Instead, Hanna says, “We’re hitting a wall.”

    https://x.com/MrEwanMorrison/status/1958672284883067273

    I think we can all see the utility that AI can conceivably deliver. If businesses aren’t seeing the benefits of it yet, they will do in due course. Whether that’s going to be as quick as predicted… hmmm.

    The problem is that AI is still highly fallible. As a very casual user, the confidence I have in its output varies from topic to topic, but probably averages at about 60-80%. In many professional settings, that just isn’t enough of a confidence level to relinquish control entirely and rely on the output. In time, I’m sure that will change.

    I have never been on the everybody is out of a job train. But if you aren't getting productivity gains even out of the current models you aren't using them correctly.

    One thing that is missing is a) making them as easy as possible to use for the every day tasks in real jobs and b) plumbing systems together so they can interact without having to know how to code. It is very much like the early internet, geeks have worked out how to script things to plumb things together but they aren't user friendly to the layman. All these software devs talking about spinning up multiple agents who plan and execute coding tasks and then automatically push to git, isn't what most people's jobs involve.

    My limited experience of AI is you have to know enough to say, hold on, that can't be right because... Perhaps the solution is to ask straight out for its third guess.
    This really isn't true of the SOTA models now.

    And for loads of tasks that take up huge amounts of peoples time it is more than enough to get you 80-90% of the way e.g. writing emails, reports, slides, code. Yes you still need to read / edit, but its a lot faster to give it the bullet points, have it generate the prose, and then do a scan and edit. And the quality of the prose is better than I can write without spending a lot of time.

    AI writes most of my code these days.
    But do you understand that code?

    I find that AI will usually have a decent go at writing what you want, and that its output usually works for straightforward cases. But, and it's a big but, it frequently fails with edge cases, and when you go to correct those manually, it can be the devil's own job trying to follow the barely structured mess that it has created. When you try to debug with AI, it usually adds some kludge to bypass the issue rather than dealing with the root cause of the problem, so you end up manually debugging, which can then end up taking more time than if you'd wrote it all yourself.

    On the plus side, I do sometimes learn new and better approaches than I would have used without AI and, when used judiciously, I'd say it is increasing my productivity. You do have to be disciplined, though, and make sure you understand what it has produced, and this means taking a carefully iterative approach and lots of refactoring.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,687

    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    The USA shouldn’t be considered a functioning democracy anymore . It was good while it lasted !

    No, that would require the Democratic party to be banned and President Trump declared President for life by the SC with the support of the military to enforce that, the US is still some way from that
    Democrats from Texas arrested. The Federally sequestered State National Guard patrolling the streets of DC and LA, and 6 out of 9 SC judges comfortably in the Trump camp.

    Would you like to reassess your judgement?
    No. Every voter in every state still can elect Democrats on their ballot papers, national guards have patrolled under many Presidents back to IKE and judges on the SC always reflect the views of the President who appointed them and like him or not Trump was twice elected
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Putin was never going to, and likely will never agree to meet Zelensky.
    The current Russian regime simply won't accept Ukraine as a sovereign nation, and symbolic events matter to them (a sharp contrast with Trump, who appears not to have had a clue what inviting Putin to meet on US soil implied).

    Russian FM Lavrov makes clear that there’s no Putin-Zelensky bilateral meeting planned nor is one happening anytime soon: “There is no meeting planned. And I'm not challenging this, but you -- you cannot, cannot, I think, understand what I am saying. Putin is ready to meet with Zelenskyy when the agenda would be ready for a summit. And this agenda is not ready at all.”
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1958859584296108513

    Trump has a press conference scheduled for midday.

    Has the penny finally dropped that the Russians are playing him for time and have no interest in peace, while the whole of Europe is steadfast behind supporting Ukraine to keep fighting?
    What do you think ?

    My prediction is he'll give him another "two weeks".
    I’d like to think he’s done with the games.

    To be fair to Trump his crazy brand of diplomacy has worked so far with other situations, but I think he has until now failed to understand the Russian mindset wrt Ukraine, and also underestimated the European resolve to put Putin firmly back in his box.
    Trump has no understanding of history, so doesn't understand how culturally important some parts of Ukraine are to Russia. The two are, AIUI, inextricably linked.
    Yes, he thought he could bang heads together and they’d all agree to stop fighting where they are now, added to a reflexive hatred of whatever Biden did or didn’t do for the last three years. But the actual situation is way more complicated than that.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,374

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    Perhaps sympathy for being

    1. Held on remand because starmer wanted it

    2. Bullied into pleading guilty

    3. Being given a ridiculously long jail sentence for a misjudged tweet

    4. Being madly mistreated while in jail

    5. Even as Labour councillors get off scot free for publicly demanding the slitting of throats
    Links for all those allegations from reputable sources please..

    Some of those comments can get the site into trouble.
    Here's Starmer saying he would remand everyone in custody

    "Huge victory, confirming that Starmer’s tyrannical blanket remand policy last summer pushed many to plead guilty who stood a strong chance of going free at trial.

    Of the 6 defendants to go to jury trial for offences during the Southport unrest, only one has been found guilty!"

    https://thecritic.co.uk/starmers-political-prisoners-pt-2/
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,861

    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    https://theface.com/style/stone-island-badge-get-the-badge-in-menswear-fashion-style
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gethebadgein/
    And here I was thinking that it was an ad for a party organised by @Dura_Ace - hookers, blow, a sleepy leopard & NATO
    Sounds like a typical night out for me out at university, except for the hookers, blow, and a sleepy leopard (tiger).

    Honestly second year at uni and the NATO intervention to stop genocide was all the rage, those were the days, especially as the SNP leader at the time was pro genocide.
    Being pro-Serb is another of those causes where the horseshoe effect applies.
    It was weird, I had some friends who were like, what’s going on in Kosovo is terrible, we [The West] should do something, when Blair & Clinton did do something it was like, well not that.

    They were a loss when I asked them how they would stop the potential mass extermination of people.
    Peter Hitchens and Sir Alfred Sherman were among the pro-Serbs.
    There was also that Labour MP who was weirdly pro Serb at the time.

    Edit - Bob Wareing.
    My friend's grandfather was an old-school communist whi was very pro-Serb. His take was the Serbs were 'just trying to hang on to socialism' as the west tried to take it away from them.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,986
    Sandpit said:

    a

    Diabetes smartphone test could diagnose condition in under 10 minutes
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/diabetes-health-check-smartphone-app-nhs-b2812419.html

    I did not expect that Foxy's job would be the first victim of AI.

    There's tons of early diagnosis stuff coming down the road. Smart watches in particular can see all kinds of symptoms early.

    Big Medical Device is trying their best to take out Apple with patents in the US. However Apple is also willing to spend hundreds of millions on lawyers, the sort of opponent they’re not used to seeing.
    The legal moat that "Big Medical Device" have built is incredibly costly to try and bridge. I know of a start-up that came up with a very low cost ultrasound device. Having the ability to see "roughly" inside is incredibly useful for a whole range of procedures e.g. injections where you want to hit / miss certain areas. The cost benefit in terms of speed and reduced negative outcomes was fairly straight forward.

    The start-up showed it worked absolutely fine and even before mass manufacture could produce the machines at a fraction of what a conventional ultra-sound machine from GE costs.

    They got totally stuck with moving forward, in the end they took $100 million in funding, which was basically just to try and get over the legal moats. I still don't believe it has ever got there.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,393
    edited August 22

    Sean_F said:

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    https://theface.com/style/stone-island-badge-get-the-badge-in-menswear-fashion-style
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gethebadgein/
    And here I was thinking that it was an ad for a party organised by @Dura_Ace - hookers, blow, a sleepy leopard & NATO
    Sounds like a typical night out for me out at university, except for the hookers, blow, and a sleepy leopard (tiger).

    Honestly second year at uni and the NATO intervention to stop genocide was all the rage, those were the days, especially as the SNP leader at the time was pro genocide.
    Being pro-Serb is another of those causes where the horseshoe effect applies.
    It was weird, I had some friends who were like, what’s going on in Kosovo is terrible, we [The West] should do something, when Blair & Clinton did do something it was like, well not that.

    They were a loss when I asked them how they would stop the potential mass extermination of people.
    The final intervention - arming the anti-Serb forces and supporting them - was actually carried out with some skill.

    Remembering the adage that in the Balkans, the one committing the crimes are the ones with the guns, the Americans kept the Croats etc on a tight leash. When as was inevitable, some units started getting bit war-crimey, the Americans cut them off from logistical and air support. So they got slaughtered in Serb counter attacks.

    By the end of the offensive, this system of Darwinian selection had yielded an army that could enter an "enemy" town with shooting the locals.

    I note that Lord Turd has railed at Maggie Thatcher's earlier plea to arm the non-Serb groups (the Serbs had the majority of the equipment of the former Yugoslav Army). Called it "Levelling the killing field" IIRC.
    I dislike mendacity. Arguments that by providing military aid to victims of aggression you are "levelling the killing field", "fighting to the last Bosnian/Croatian/Ukrainian" are mendacious. The person making the claim is not arguing in good faith, for their actual position is not their stated position.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,648
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    The USA shouldn’t be considered a functioning democracy anymore . It was good while it lasted !

    No, that would require the Democratic party to be banned and President Trump declared President for life by the SC with the support of the military to enforce that, the US is still some way from that
    Democrats from Texas arrested. The Federally sequestered State National Guard patrolling the streets of DC and LA, and 6 out of 9 SC judges comfortably in the Trump camp.

    Would you like to reassess your judgement?
    No. Every voter in every state still can elect Democrats on their ballot papers, national guards have patrolled under many Presidents back to IKE and judges on the SC always reflect the views of the President who appointed them and like him or not Trump was twice elected
    Don't forget the GOP black balled Garland and rushed through Comey Barrett. It has not been anything like a normalcy to appoint SCOTUS judges for a while, and have you forgotten January 6th 2021?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,954

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    Perhaps sympathy for being

    1. Held on remand because starmer wanted it

    2. Bullied into pleading guilty

    3. Being given a ridiculously long jail sentence for a misjudged tweet

    4. Being madly mistreated while in jail

    5. Even as Labour councillors get off scot free for publicly demanding the slitting of throats
    1 to 4 are quite probably bollocks, but 5 is a blatant lie. The Labour guy, whose commentary was vile and unacceptable took his chances with a jury. That is fact.

    1 and possibly 4 are probably libellous/slanderous.
    How is 5 a lie? He did get off (because, as you say, he took his chance with the jury).

    We don't know if Starmer had any input, but I'd suspect not. We also don't know what happened to her in prison, but prison tends to be full of not very nice people. And then the are the other prisoners to think about...
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,520
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Putin was never going to, and likely will never agree to meet Zelensky.
    The current Russian regime simply won't accept Ukraine as a sovereign nation, and symbolic events matter to them (a sharp contrast with Trump, who appears not to have had a clue what inviting Putin to meet on US soil implied).

    Russian FM Lavrov makes clear that there’s no Putin-Zelensky bilateral meeting planned nor is one happening anytime soon: “There is no meeting planned. And I'm not challenging this, but you -- you cannot, cannot, I think, understand what I am saying. Putin is ready to meet with Zelenskyy when the agenda would be ready for a summit. And this agenda is not ready at all.”
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1958859584296108513

    Trump has a press conference scheduled for midday.

    Has the penny finally dropped that the Russians are playing him for time and have no interest in peace, while the whole of Europe is steadfast behind supporting Ukraine to keep fighting?
    What do you think ?

    My prediction is he'll give him another "two weeks".
    I’d like to think he’s done with the games.

    To be fair to Trump his crazy brand of diplomacy has worked so far with other situations, but I think he has until now failed to understand the Russian mindset wrt Ukraine, and also underestimated the European resolve to put Putin firmly back in his box.
    Trump has no understanding of history, so doesn't understand how culturally important some parts of Ukraine are to Russia. The two are, AIUI, inextricably linked.
    Yes, he thought he could bang heads together and they’d all agree to stop fighting where they are now, added to a reflexive hatred of whatever Biden did or didn’t do for the last three years. But the actual situation is way more complicated than that.
    The situation in the land once all called Palestine is much the same.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    Perhaps sympathy for being

    1. Held on remand because starmer wanted it

    2. Bullied into pleading guilty

    3. Being given a ridiculously long jail sentence for a misjudged tweet

    4. Being madly mistreated while in jail

    5. Even as Labour councillors get off scot free for publicly demanding the slitting of throats
    Links for all those allegations from reputable sources please..

    Some of those comments can get the site into trouble.
    Here's Starmer saying he would remand everyone in custody

    "Huge victory, confirming that Starmer’s tyrannical blanket remand policy last summer pushed many to plead guilty who stood a strong chance of going free at trial.

    Of the 6 defendants to go to jury trial for offences during the Southport unrest, only one has been found guilty!"

    https://thecritic.co.uk/starmers-political-prisoners-pt-2/
    Nope, that’s not what I asked for, that’s somebody’s opinion.

    And I see you’ve not been able to source any of the other allegations.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,744

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    Perhaps sympathy for being

    1. Held on remand because starmer wanted it

    2. Bullied into pleading guilty

    3. Being given a ridiculously long jail sentence for a misjudged tweet

    4. Being madly mistreated while in jail

    5. Even as Labour councillors get off scot free for publicly demanding the slitting of throats
    1 to 4 are quite probably bollocks, but 5 is a blatant lie. The Labour guy, whose commentary was vile and unacceptable took his chances with a jury. That is fact.

    1 and possibly 4 are probably libellous/slanderous.
    (2) is probably wrong in fact, but not libellous as it does not specify a particular person who did the bullying.

    (3) is not libellous as it's a matter of opinion.

    (4), again, does not specify a particular person (or persons) who caused mistreatment, so not libellous.

    (1) is the only one that might be libellous, but I think it's too up for interpretation to go anywhere.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,986
    edited August 22

    Scott_xP said:

    @MrEwanMorrison

    Say farewell to the AI bubble, and get ready for the crash.

    “The thought was that this growth would be exponential,” says Alex Hanna, a technology critic. Instead, Hanna says, “We’re hitting a wall.”

    https://x.com/MrEwanMorrison/status/1958672284883067273

    I think we can all see the utility that AI can conceivably deliver. If businesses aren’t seeing the benefits of it yet, they will do in due course. Whether that’s going to be as quick as predicted… hmmm.

    The problem is that AI is still highly fallible. As a very casual user, the confidence I have in its output varies from topic to topic, but probably averages at about 60-80%. In many professional settings, that just isn’t enough of a confidence level to relinquish control entirely and rely on the output. In time, I’m sure that will change.

    I have never been on the everybody is out of a job train. But if you aren't getting productivity gains even out of the current models you aren't using them correctly.

    One thing that is missing is a) making them as easy as possible to use for the every day tasks in real jobs and b) plumbing systems together so they can interact without having to know how to code. It is very much like the early internet, geeks have worked out how to script things to plumb things together but they aren't user friendly to the layman. All these software devs talking about spinning up multiple agents who plan and execute coding tasks and then automatically push to git, isn't what most people's jobs involve.

    My limited experience of AI is you have to know enough to say, hold on, that can't be right because... Perhaps the solution is to ask straight out for its third guess.
    This really isn't true of the SOTA models now.

    And for loads of tasks that take up huge amounts of peoples time it is more than enough to get you 80-90% of the way e.g. writing emails, reports, slides, code. Yes you still need to read / edit, but its a lot faster to give it the bullet points, have it generate the prose, and then do a scan and edit. And the quality of the prose is better than I can write without spending a lot of time.

    AI writes most of my code these days.
    But do you understand that code?

    I find that AI will usually have a decent go at writing what you want, and that its output usually works for straightforward cases. But, and it's a big but, it frequently fails with edge cases, and when you go to correct those manually, it can be the devil's own job trying to follow the barely structured mess that it has created. When you try to debug with AI, it usually adds some kludge to bypass the issue rather than dealing with the root cause of the problem, so you end up manually debugging, which can then end up taking more time than if you'd wrote it all yourself.

    On the plus side, I do sometimes learn new and better approaches than I would have used without AI and, when used judiciously, I'd say it is increasing my productivity. You do have to be disciplined, though, and make sure you understand what it has produced, and this means taking a carefully iterative approach and lots of refactoring.
    Yes.

    I know what you mean though. But how many people were copy / pasting from Stack Overflow previously without thinking or understanding what they were doing.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,861

    Sean_F said:

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    https://theface.com/style/stone-island-badge-get-the-badge-in-menswear-fashion-style
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gethebadgein/
    And here I was thinking that it was an ad for a party organised by @Dura_Ace - hookers, blow, a sleepy leopard & NATO
    Sounds like a typical night out for me out at university, except for the hookers, blow, and a sleepy leopard (tiger).

    Honestly second year at uni and the NATO intervention to stop genocide was all the rage, those were the days, especially as the SNP leader at the time was pro genocide.
    Being pro-Serb is another of those causes where the horseshoe effect applies.
    It was quite interesting, as student, to watch the SWPers and even more extreme lefties er..... lionising over this rum blossom -

    image
    Is that the Hull City tiger?!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,374
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    Perhaps sympathy for being

    1. Held on remand because starmer wanted it

    2. Bullied into pleading guilty

    3. Being given a ridiculously long jail sentence for a misjudged tweet

    4. Being madly mistreated while in jail

    5. Even as Labour councillors get off scot free for publicly demanding the slitting of throats
    Links for all those allegations from reputable sources please..

    Some of those comments can get the site into trouble.
    Here's Starmer saying he would remand everyone in custody

    "Huge victory, confirming that Starmer’s tyrannical blanket remand policy last summer pushed many to plead guilty who stood a strong chance of going free at trial.

    Of the 6 defendants to go to jury trial for offences during the Southport unrest, only one has been found guilty!"

    https://thecritic.co.uk/starmers-political-prisoners-pt-2/
    Point 2 is covered by point 1

    Point 3 is an opinion (held by very many) - she got longer in jail than people who do actual, serious violence

    Point 4 is covered by Allison Pearson's extensive reporting of this case

    Point 5 Is undisputed fact: Ricky Jones pubicly demanded the slitting of throats, was filmed doing so (during the riots) and yet was acquitted and walked free. Connolly got 31 months bird for a very foolish tweet she briskly deleted
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,451

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Putin was never going to, and likely will never agree to meet Zelensky.
    The current Russian regime simply won't accept Ukraine as a sovereign nation, and symbolic events matter to them (a sharp contrast with Trump, who appears not to have had a clue what inviting Putin to meet on US soil implied).

    Russian FM Lavrov makes clear that there’s no Putin-Zelensky bilateral meeting planned nor is one happening anytime soon: “There is no meeting planned. And I'm not challenging this, but you -- you cannot, cannot, I think, understand what I am saying. Putin is ready to meet with Zelenskyy when the agenda would be ready for a summit. And this agenda is not ready at all.”
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1958859584296108513

    Trump has a press conference scheduled for midday.

    Has the penny finally dropped that the Russians are playing him for time and have no interest in peace, while the whole of Europe is steadfast behind supporting Ukraine to keep fighting?
    What do you think ?

    My prediction is he'll give him another "two weeks".
    I’d like to think he’s done with the games.

    To be fair to Trump his crazy brand of diplomacy has worked so far with other situations, but I think he has until now failed to understand the Russian mindset wrt Ukraine, and also underestimated the European resolve to put Putin firmly back in his box.
    Where has Trump's "crazy brand of diplomacy" "worked so far"? The US's reputation around the world is in the toilet. As an example, Canadians hate him and are boycotting holidays in the US. He's done nothing to help the situation in Gaza. He claimed to bring peace between India and Pakistan, but they said he wasn't really involved.
    Trump is a very real and serious problem for all of us, and to be honest anyone thinking anything would come out of his charade last week, with European leaders and others fawning over him, were always likely to be let down

    I see no prospect of Putin agreeing peace talks anytime soon, and as for Trump raiding John Bolton's home then where on earth will this all end up ?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,861

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Putin was never going to, and likely will never agree to meet Zelensky.
    The current Russian regime simply won't accept Ukraine as a sovereign nation, and symbolic events matter to them (a sharp contrast with Trump, who appears not to have had a clue what inviting Putin to meet on US soil implied).

    Russian FM Lavrov makes clear that there’s no Putin-Zelensky bilateral meeting planned nor is one happening anytime soon: “There is no meeting planned. And I'm not challenging this, but you -- you cannot, cannot, I think, understand what I am saying. Putin is ready to meet with Zelenskyy when the agenda would be ready for a summit. And this agenda is not ready at all.”
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1958859584296108513

    Trump has a press conference scheduled for midday.

    Has the penny finally dropped that the Russians are playing him for time and have no interest in peace, while the whole of Europe is steadfast behind supporting Ukraine to keep fighting?
    What do you think ?

    My prediction is he'll give him another "two weeks".
    I’d like to think he’s done with the games.

    To be fair to Trump his crazy brand of diplomacy has worked so far with other situations, but I think he has until now failed to understand the Russian mindset wrt Ukraine, and also underestimated the European resolve to put Putin firmly back in his box.
    Where has Trump's "crazy brand of diplomacy" "worked so far"? The US's reputation around the world is in the toilet. As an example, Canadians hate him and are boycotting holidays in the US. He's done nothing to help the situation in Gaza. He claimed to bring peace between India and Pakistan, but they said he wasn't really involved.
    I think I recall that it worked quite well in the ME in his first term - various Arab nations burying the hatchet with Israel?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,818
    No one forced Connolly to plead guilty . If she was badly advised by her defence then that’s on them .

    I expect the beatification of her by the right wing media will continue .
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,374
    Here is a video of Starmer demanding and stating that everyone involved - including those online - WILL get remanded, and then stiff jail sentences shall follow

    It was his policy. Remand them all in custody

    Is that enough documentation?

    https://x.com/PoliticsBlogGB/status/1956743447559237723
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613

    Scott_xP said:

    @MrEwanMorrison

    Say farewell to the AI bubble, and get ready for the crash.

    “The thought was that this growth would be exponential,” says Alex Hanna, a technology critic. Instead, Hanna says, “We’re hitting a wall.”

    https://x.com/MrEwanMorrison/status/1958672284883067273

    I think we can all see the utility that AI can conceivably deliver. If businesses aren’t seeing the benefits of it yet, they will do in due course. Whether that’s going to be as quick as predicted… hmmm.

    The problem is that AI is still highly fallible. As a very casual user, the confidence I have in its output varies from topic to topic, but probably averages at about 60-80%. In many professional settings, that just isn’t enough of a confidence level to relinquish control entirely and rely on the output. In time, I’m sure that will change.

    I have never been on the everybody is out of a job train. But if you aren't getting productivity gains even out of the current models you aren't using them correctly.

    One thing that is missing is a) making them as easy as possible to use for the every day tasks in real jobs and b) plumbing systems together so they can interact without having to know how to code. It is very much like the early internet, geeks have worked out how to script things to plumb things together but they aren't user friendly to the layman. All these software devs talking about spinning up multiple agents who plan and execute coding tasks and then automatically push to git, isn't what most people's jobs involve.

    My limited experience of AI is you have to know enough to say, hold on, that can't be right because... Perhaps the solution is to ask straight out for its third guess.
    This really isn't true of the SOTA models now.

    And for loads of tasks that take up huge amounts of peoples time it is more than enough to get you 80-90% of the way e.g. writing emails, reports, slides, code. Yes you still need to read / edit, but its a lot faster to give it the bullet points, have it generate the prose, and then do a scan and edit. And the quality of the prose is better than I can write without spending a lot of time.

    AI writes most of my code these days.
    But do you understand that code?

    I find that AI will usually have a decent go at writing what you want, and that its output usually works for straightforward cases. But, and it's a big but, it frequently fails with edge cases, and when you go to correct those manually, it can be the devil's own job trying to follow the barely structured mess that it has created. When you try to debug with AI, it usually adds some kludge to bypass the issue rather than dealing with the root cause of the problem, so you end up manually debugging, which can then end up taking more time than if you'd wrote it all yourself.

    On the plus side, I do sometimes learn new and better approaches than I would have used without AI and, when used judiciously, I'd say it is increasing my productivity. You do have to be disciplined, though, and make sure you understand what it has produced, and this means taking a carefully iterative approach and lots of refactoring.
    Yes.

    I know what you mean though. But how many people were copy / pasting from Stack Overflow previously without thinking or understanding what they were doing.
    At least most of the posted Stack Overflow code had been tested and commented on.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,648

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    Perhaps sympathy for being

    1. Held on remand because starmer wanted it

    2. Bullied into pleading guilty

    3. Being given a ridiculously long jail sentence for a misjudged tweet

    4. Being madly mistreated while in jail

    5. Even as Labour councillors get off scot free for publicly demanding the slitting of throats
    1 to 4 are quite probably bollocks, but 5 is a blatant lie. The Labour guy, whose commentary was vile and unacceptable took his chances with a jury. That is fact.

    1 and possibly 4 are probably libellous/slanderous.
    How is 5 a lie? He did get off (because, as you say, he took his chance with the jury).

    We don't know if Starmer had any input, but I'd suspect not. We also don't know what happened to her in prison, but prison tends to be full of not very nice people. And then the are the other prisoners to think about...
    Leon is alluding to the notion that Jones was let off as a result of political patronage, that is patently untrue. Connolly on the other hand- although not claimed here by Leon- went to jail because she is a Tory. Also not true.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,954

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    Perhaps sympathy for being

    1. Held on remand because starmer wanted it

    2. Bullied into pleading guilty

    3. Being given a ridiculously long jail sentence for a misjudged tweet

    4. Being madly mistreated while in jail

    5. Even as Labour councillors get off scot free for publicly demanding the slitting of throats
    1 to 4 are quite probably bollocks, but 5 is a blatant lie. The Labour guy, whose commentary was vile and unacceptable took his chances with a jury. That is fact.

    1 and possibly 4 are probably libellous/slanderous.
    (2) is probably wrong in fact, but not libellous as it does not specify a particular person who did the bullying.

    (3) is not libellous as it's a matter of opinion.

    (4), again, does not specify a particular person (or persons) who caused mistreatment, so not libellous.

    (1) is the only one that might be libellous, but I think it's too up for interpretation to go anywhere.
    (2) is more likely to be "was convinced she'd get a better outcome by pleading guilty, not expecting the severity of the sentence".
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,744
    Cookie said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Putin was never going to, and likely will never agree to meet Zelensky.
    The current Russian regime simply won't accept Ukraine as a sovereign nation, and symbolic events matter to them (a sharp contrast with Trump, who appears not to have had a clue what inviting Putin to meet on US soil implied).

    Russian FM Lavrov makes clear that there’s no Putin-Zelensky bilateral meeting planned nor is one happening anytime soon: “There is no meeting planned. And I'm not challenging this, but you -- you cannot, cannot, I think, understand what I am saying. Putin is ready to meet with Zelenskyy when the agenda would be ready for a summit. And this agenda is not ready at all.”
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1958859584296108513

    Trump has a press conference scheduled for midday.

    Has the penny finally dropped that the Russians are playing him for time and have no interest in peace, while the whole of Europe is steadfast behind supporting Ukraine to keep fighting?
    What do you think ?

    My prediction is he'll give him another "two weeks".
    I’d like to think he’s done with the games.

    To be fair to Trump his crazy brand of diplomacy has worked so far with other situations, but I think he has until now failed to understand the Russian mindset wrt Ukraine, and also underestimated the European resolve to put Putin firmly back in his box.
    Where has Trump's "crazy brand of diplomacy" "worked so far"? The US's reputation around the world is in the toilet. As an example, Canadians hate him and are boycotting holidays in the US. He's done nothing to help the situation in Gaza. He claimed to bring peace between India and Pakistan, but they said he wasn't really involved.
    I think I recall that it worked quite well in the ME in his first term - various Arab nations burying the hatchet with Israel?
    My thoughts had been focused on his second term, when he's been crazier, but, sure, that was my assumption and not in Sandpit's words. If you'd like to expand on a specific diplomatic success Trump's approach had in his first term, I'm all ears.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,648

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    Perhaps sympathy for being

    1. Held on remand because starmer wanted it

    2. Bullied into pleading guilty

    3. Being given a ridiculously long jail sentence for a misjudged tweet

    4. Being madly mistreated while in jail

    5. Even as Labour councillors get off scot free for publicly demanding the slitting of throats
    1 to 4 are quite probably bollocks, but 5 is a blatant lie. The Labour guy, whose commentary was vile and unacceptable took his chances with a jury. That is fact.

    1 and possibly 4 are probably libellous/slanderous.
    (2) is probably wrong in fact, but not libellous as it does not specify a particular person who did the bullying.

    (3) is not libellous as it's a matter of opinion.

    (4), again, does not specify a particular person (or persons) who caused mistreatment, so not libellous.

    (1) is the only one that might be libellous, but I think it's too up for interpretation to go anywhere.
    4. The Governor? The Screws?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,309

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    https://theface.com/style/stone-island-badge-get-the-badge-in-menswear-fashion-style
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gethebadgein/
    'Unless you've never left the house' you'll be aware of this, apparently, and also that a raft of twattish celebrities have jumped eagerly aboard the bandwagon. I'm no high court judge but this had never crossed my radar before today.
    So they’ve graduated to Stone Island from the fake Burberry that used to be the fashion back in the day? IIRC Burberry spent millions working with trading standards to take out all the market stalls that were trashing their brand.
    Hackett, the brand for polo players, became a very strange fashion must have for football casual for a while.
    I used to love Hackett but have to give up the brand for those reasons.
    Is it not Racing Green now?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,509

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    Perhaps sympathy for being

    1. Held on remand because starmer wanted it

    2. Bullied into pleading guilty

    3. Being given a ridiculously long jail sentence for a misjudged tweet

    4. Being madly mistreated while in jail

    5. Even as Labour councillors get off scot free for publicly demanding the slitting of throats
    1 to 4 are quite probably bollocks, but 5 is a blatant lie. The Labour guy, whose commentary was vile and unacceptable took his chances with a jury. That is fact.

    1 and possibly 4 are probably libellous/slanderous.
    Government policy was, as with the Duggan riots, to remand as many as possible and to tell the CPS to push for highest charges supportable on the evidence.

    In normal times, remand is rarely used, and the CPS often down charges. That is, they charge with a lesser offence, so as to make conviction easy and not clog up the jails.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,986
    edited August 22
    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @MrEwanMorrison

    Say farewell to the AI bubble, and get ready for the crash.

    “The thought was that this growth would be exponential,” says Alex Hanna, a technology critic. Instead, Hanna says, “We’re hitting a wall.”

    https://x.com/MrEwanMorrison/status/1958672284883067273

    I think we can all see the utility that AI can conceivably deliver. If businesses aren’t seeing the benefits of it yet, they will do in due course. Whether that’s going to be as quick as predicted… hmmm.

    The problem is that AI is still highly fallible. As a very casual user, the confidence I have in its output varies from topic to topic, but probably averages at about 60-80%. In many professional settings, that just isn’t enough of a confidence level to relinquish control entirely and rely on the output. In time, I’m sure that will change.

    I have never been on the everybody is out of a job train. But if you aren't getting productivity gains even out of the current models you aren't using them correctly.

    One thing that is missing is a) making them as easy as possible to use for the every day tasks in real jobs and b) plumbing systems together so they can interact without having to know how to code. It is very much like the early internet, geeks have worked out how to script things to plumb things together but they aren't user friendly to the layman. All these software devs talking about spinning up multiple agents who plan and execute coding tasks and then automatically push to git, isn't what most people's jobs involve.

    My limited experience of AI is you have to know enough to say, hold on, that can't be right because... Perhaps the solution is to ask straight out for its third guess.
    This really isn't true of the SOTA models now.

    And for loads of tasks that take up huge amounts of peoples time it is more than enough to get you 80-90% of the way e.g. writing emails, reports, slides, code. Yes you still need to read / edit, but its a lot faster to give it the bullet points, have it generate the prose, and then do a scan and edit. And the quality of the prose is better than I can write without spending a lot of time.

    AI writes most of my code these days.
    But do you understand that code?

    I find that AI will usually have a decent go at writing what you want, and that its output usually works for straightforward cases. But, and it's a big but, it frequently fails with edge cases, and when you go to correct those manually, it can be the devil's own job trying to follow the barely structured mess that it has created. When you try to debug with AI, it usually adds some kludge to bypass the issue rather than dealing with the root cause of the problem, so you end up manually debugging, which can then end up taking more time than if you'd wrote it all yourself.

    On the plus side, I do sometimes learn new and better approaches than I would have used without AI and, when used judiciously, I'd say it is increasing my productivity. You do have to be disciplined, though, and make sure you understand what it has produced, and this means taking a carefully iterative approach and lots of refactoring.
    Yes.

    I know what you mean though. But how many people were copy / pasting from Stack Overflow previously without thinking or understanding what they were doing.
    At least most of the posted Stack Overflow code had been tested and commented on.
    That is true, although seen plenty of times where people have gone "close enough", let me just change this bit, sure that will be fine.

    One of the most stupid trends in coding is "vibe coding" and this idea of just get the agent to write the whole thing / or roam free to edit a big codebase automatically. There is absolutely no way of keeping up with all the changes it is introducing.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,818
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    Perhaps sympathy for being

    1. Held on remand because starmer wanted it

    2. Bullied into pleading guilty

    3. Being given a ridiculously long jail sentence for a misjudged tweet

    4. Being madly mistreated while in jail

    5. Even as Labour councillors get off scot free for publicly demanding the slitting of throats
    Links for all those allegations from reputable sources please..

    Some of those comments can get the site into trouble.
    Here's Starmer saying he would remand everyone in custody

    "Huge victory, confirming that Starmer’s tyrannical blanket remand policy last summer pushed many to plead guilty who stood a strong chance of going free at trial.

    Of the 6 defendants to go to jury trial for offences during the Southport unrest, only one has been found guilty!"

    https://thecritic.co.uk/starmers-political-prisoners-pt-2/
    Point 2 is covered by point 1

    Point 3 is an opinion (held by very many) - she got longer in jail than people who do actual, serious violence

    Point 4 is covered by Allison Pearson's extensive reporting of this case

    Point 5 Is undisputed fact: Ricky Jones pubicly demanded the slitting of throats, was filmed doing so (during the riots) and yet was acquitted and walked free. Connolly got 31 months bird for a very foolish tweet she briskly deleted
    Jones took his chance with a jury and got lucky . I doubt we’d be hearing all this bleating if the situation had been reversed . The right wings defence of free speech is only to clutch their pearls when one of their own gets caught out .
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    Perhaps sympathy for being

    1. Held on remand because starmer wanted it

    2. Bullied into pleading guilty

    3. Being given a ridiculously long jail sentence for a misjudged tweet

    4. Being madly mistreated while in jail

    5. Even as Labour councillors get off scot free for publicly demanding the slitting of throats
    Links for all those allegations from reputable sources please..

    Some of those comments can get the site into trouble.
    Here's Starmer saying he would remand everyone in custody

    "Huge victory, confirming that Starmer’s tyrannical blanket remand policy last summer pushed many to plead guilty who stood a strong chance of going free at trial.

    Of the 6 defendants to go to jury trial for offences during the Southport unrest, only one has been found guilty!"

    https://thecritic.co.uk/starmers-political-prisoners-pt-2/
    Point 2 is covered by point 1

    Point 3 is an opinion (held by very many) - she got longer in jail than people who do actual, serious violence

    Point 4 is covered by Allison Pearson's extensive reporting of this case

    Point 5 Is undisputed fact: Ricky Jones pubicly demanded the slitting of throats, was filmed doing so (during the riots) and yet was acquitted and walked free. Connolly got 31 months bird for a very foolish tweet she briskly deleted
    Alison Pearson is not a reputable source, see the bullshit she spouted during the pandemic.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,509
    Sandpit said:

    a

    Diabetes smartphone test could diagnose condition in under 10 minutes
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/diabetes-health-check-smartphone-app-nhs-b2812419.html

    I did not expect that Foxy's job would be the first victim of AI.

    There's tons of early diagnosis stuff coming down the road. Smart watches in particular can see all kinds of symptoms early.

    Big Medical Device is trying their best to take out Apple with patents in the US. However Apple is also willing to spend hundreds of millions on lawyers, the sort of opponent they’re not used to seeing.
    More with the whole "Medical Device" laws - barriers to entry into the health space have been assiduously built there, for generations.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    https://theface.com/style/stone-island-badge-get-the-badge-in-menswear-fashion-style
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gethebadgein/
    'Unless you've never left the house' you'll be aware of this, apparently, and also that a raft of twattish celebrities have jumped eagerly aboard the bandwagon. I'm no high court judge but this had never crossed my radar before today.
    So they’ve graduated to Stone Island from the fake Burberry that used to be the fashion back in the day? IIRC Burberry spent millions working with trading standards to take out all the market stalls that were trashing their brand.
    Hackett, the brand for polo players, became a very strange fashion must have for football casual for a while.
    I used to love Hackett but have to give up the brand for those reasons.
    Is it not Racing Green now?
    Fake Burberry these days.

    Am seeing a lot of fake Prada too these days which upsets me greatly.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,374

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    Perhaps sympathy for being

    1. Held on remand because starmer wanted it

    2. Bullied into pleading guilty

    3. Being given a ridiculously long jail sentence for a misjudged tweet

    4. Being madly mistreated while in jail

    5. Even as Labour councillors get off scot free for publicly demanding the slitting of throats
    1 to 4 are quite probably bollocks, but 5 is a blatant lie. The Labour guy, whose commentary was vile and unacceptable took his chances with a jury. That is fact.

    1 and possibly 4 are probably libellous/slanderous.
    How is 5 a lie? He did get off (because, as you say, he took his chance with the jury).

    We don't know if Starmer had any input, but I'd suspect not. We also don't know what happened to her in prison, but prison tends to be full of not very nice people. And then the are the other prisoners to think about...
    Leon is alluding to the notion that Jones was let off as a result of political patronage, that is patently untrue. Connolly on the other hand- although not claimed here by Leon- went to jail because she is a Tory. Also not true.
    I'm not alluding to anything. I am stating a fact. Ricky Jones walked free despite, apparently, committing the crime of which he was accused, given that he was actually filmed doing it: demanding that throats be slit

    Now I wasn't at the trial and maybe the jury had some deep motivation I cannot discern. I accept their decision and I am not asking for a retrial. Double jeopardy and all that. But to me as an outsider the verdict is bizarre and mystifying - he walked free despite the overwhelming evidence

    We are allowed to have opinions on this, are we not? Or is Britain a place where you cannot even question judgements any more? The courts, police and juries are infallible and it is illegal to suggest otherwise?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613
    Cookie said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Putin was never going to, and likely will never agree to meet Zelensky.
    The current Russian regime simply won't accept Ukraine as a sovereign nation, and symbolic events matter to them (a sharp contrast with Trump, who appears not to have had a clue what inviting Putin to meet on US soil implied).

    Russian FM Lavrov makes clear that there’s no Putin-Zelensky bilateral meeting planned nor is one happening anytime soon: “There is no meeting planned. And I'm not challenging this, but you -- you cannot, cannot, I think, understand what I am saying. Putin is ready to meet with Zelenskyy when the agenda would be ready for a summit. And this agenda is not ready at all.”
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1958859584296108513

    Trump has a press conference scheduled for midday.

    Has the penny finally dropped that the Russians are playing him for time and have no interest in peace, while the whole of Europe is steadfast behind supporting Ukraine to keep fighting?
    What do you think ?

    My prediction is he'll give him another "two weeks".
    I’d like to think he’s done with the games.

    To be fair to Trump his crazy brand of diplomacy has worked so far with other situations, but I think he has until now failed to understand the Russian mindset wrt Ukraine, and also underestimated the European resolve to put Putin firmly back in his box.
    Where has Trump's "crazy brand of diplomacy" "worked so far"? The US's reputation around the world is in the toilet. As an example, Canadians hate him and are boycotting holidays in the US. He's done nothing to help the situation in Gaza. He claimed to bring peace between India and Pakistan, but they said he wasn't really involved.
    I think I recall that it worked quite well in the ME in his first term - various Arab nations burying the hatchet with Israel?
    Yes, genuinely groundbreaking at the time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Accords

    It’s been said that a large part of what was behind the recent escalation in the region, was the suggestion that the Saudis would normalise relations with Israel, leaving Iran and Qatar as the outsiders.

    There were until recently several flights a day from Dubai to Tel Aviv, and many technological projects between companies from UAE and Israel.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,986

    MattW said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cookie said:

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    https://theface.com/style/stone-island-badge-get-the-badge-in-menswear-fashion-style
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gethebadgein/
    'Unless you've never left the house' you'll be aware of this, apparently, and also that a raft of twattish celebrities have jumped eagerly aboard the bandwagon. I'm no high court judge but this had never crossed my radar before today.
    So they’ve graduated to Stone Island from the fake Burberry that used to be the fashion back in the day? IIRC Burberry spent millions working with trading standards to take out all the market stalls that were trashing their brand.
    Hackett, the brand for polo players, became a very strange fashion must have for football casual for a while.
    I used to love Hackett but have to give up the brand for those reasons.
    Is it not Racing Green now?
    Fake Burberry these days.

    Am seeing a lot of fake Prada too these days which upsets me greatly.
    To go with the Fake Rolex's ?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,641
    Dura_Ace said:

    There is a very good article in the WaPo today about Trump's attempts to end the SMO for those of us who are either clever enough to edit the page source to get past the paywall or stupid enough to give Bezos more money.

    Basically... Witkoff is just a MAGA flying monkey who doesn't know what the fuck he is doing. Trump thinks he can sway Putin by the strength of their personal relationship. Russia's position hasn't change one iota since Istanbul 2022. Putin talked Trump out of applying harder sanctions in Alaska.

    That’s about right, for a certain value of “talked”
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,954
    nico67 said:

    No one forced Connolly to plead guilty . If she was badly advised by her defence then that’s on them .

    I expect the beatification of her by the right wing media will continue .

    No but as someone who had probably never been in that situation before she made a foolish mistake. Quite possibly plod suggested if she went not guilty and was convicted it would be a longer sentence and scared her into guilty. We don't know - we were not in the room.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,648
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    Perhaps sympathy for being

    1. Held on remand because starmer wanted it

    2. Bullied into pleading guilty

    3. Being given a ridiculously long jail sentence for a misjudged tweet

    4. Being madly mistreated while in jail

    5. Even as Labour councillors get off scot free for publicly demanding the slitting of throats
    Links for all those allegations from reputable sources please..

    Some of those comments can get the site into trouble.
    Here's Starmer saying he would remand everyone in custody

    "Huge victory, confirming that Starmer’s tyrannical blanket remand policy last summer pushed many to plead guilty who stood a strong chance of going free at trial.

    Of the 6 defendants to go to jury trial for offences during the Southport unrest, only one has been found guilty!"

    https://thecritic.co.uk/starmers-political-prisoners-pt-2/
    Point 2 is covered by point 1

    Point 3 is an opinion (held by very many) - she got longer in jail than people who do actual, serious violence

    Point 4 is covered by Allison Pearson's extensive reporting of this case

    Point 5 Is undisputed fact: Ricky Jones pubicly demanded the slitting of throats, was filmed doing so (during the riots) and yet was acquitted and walked free. Connolly got 31 months bird for a very foolish tweet she briskly deleted
    Ha,ha,ha. When you quote a Telegraph hack, famed for unhinged headlines as a reliable and authentic witness you have already lost the argument.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,744

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    Perhaps sympathy for being

    1. Held on remand because starmer wanted it

    2. Bullied into pleading guilty

    3. Being given a ridiculously long jail sentence for a misjudged tweet

    4. Being madly mistreated while in jail

    5. Even as Labour councillors get off scot free for publicly demanding the slitting of throats
    1 to 4 are quite probably bollocks, but 5 is a blatant lie. The Labour guy, whose commentary was vile and unacceptable took his chances with a jury. That is fact.

    1 and possibly 4 are probably libellous/slanderous.
    (2) is probably wrong in fact, but not libellous as it does not specify a particular person who did the bullying.

    (3) is not libellous as it's a matter of opinion.

    (4), again, does not specify a particular person (or persons) who caused mistreatment, so not libellous.

    (1) is the only one that might be libellous, but I think it's too up for interpretation to go anywhere.
    4. The Governor? The Screws?
    Had Leon specified the Governor and/or individual screws, that might be libellous, but he did not. You can't bring a libel suit on the basis that the accused might have been referring to you. You need to show you were specifically libelled.

    Had Leon said she was mistreated by all the staff at the prison, then maybe they could have collectively sued. But he didn't.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,986
    edited August 22

    nico67 said:

    No one forced Connolly to plead guilty . If she was badly advised by her defence then that’s on them .

    I expect the beatification of her by the right wing media will continue .

    No but as someone who had probably never been in that situation before she made a foolish mistake. Quite possibly plod suggested if she went not guilty and was convicted it would be a longer sentence and scared her into guilty. We don't know - we were not in the room.
    As TSE has repeatedly said, the police aren't there to be your friends. Innocent or guilty, you say nothing until you have got yourself legal representation. You can easily dig yourself a hole even if you haven't done what you are being accused of or digger a deeper one.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,648

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    Perhaps sympathy for being

    1. Held on remand because starmer wanted it

    2. Bullied into pleading guilty

    3. Being given a ridiculously long jail sentence for a misjudged tweet

    4. Being madly mistreated while in jail

    5. Even as Labour councillors get off scot free for publicly demanding the slitting of throats
    Links for all those allegations from reputable sources please..

    Some of those comments can get the site into trouble.
    Here's Starmer saying he would remand everyone in custody

    "Huge victory, confirming that Starmer’s tyrannical blanket remand policy last summer pushed many to plead guilty who stood a strong chance of going free at trial.

    Of the 6 defendants to go to jury trial for offences during the Southport unrest, only one has been found guilty!"

    https://thecritic.co.uk/starmers-political-prisoners-pt-2/
    Point 2 is covered by point 1

    Point 3 is an opinion (held by very many) - she got longer in jail than people who do actual, serious violence

    Point 4 is covered by Allison Pearson's extensive reporting of this case

    Point 5 Is undisputed fact: Ricky Jones pubicly demanded the slitting of throats, was filmed doing so (during the riots) and yet was acquitted and walked free. Connolly got 31 months bird for a very foolish tweet she briskly deleted
    Alison Pearson is not a reputable source, see the bullshit she spouted during the pandemic.
    An Allister Heath substitute for the unhinged PB poster?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,374
    edited August 22
    nico67 said:

    No one forced Connolly to plead guilty . If she was badly advised by her defence then that’s on them .

    I expect the beatification of her by the right wing media will continue .

    I agree she shouldn't be beatifed but from now on August the 21st shall be known as the Day of the Apotheosis of the Blessed Lucy, from henceforth and evermore
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    Perhaps sympathy for being

    1. Held on remand because starmer wanted it

    2. Bullied into pleading guilty

    3. Being given a ridiculously long jail sentence for a misjudged tweet

    4. Being madly mistreated while in jail

    5. Even as Labour councillors get off scot free for publicly demanding the slitting of throats
    1 to 4 are quite probably bollocks, but 5 is a blatant lie. The Labour guy, whose commentary was vile and unacceptable took his chances with a jury. That is fact.

    1 and possibly 4 are probably libellous/slanderous.
    How is 5 a lie? He did get off (because, as you say, he took his chance with the jury).

    We don't know if Starmer had any input, but I'd suspect not. We also don't know what happened to her in prison, but prison tends to be full of not very nice people. And then the are the other prisoners to think about...
    Leon is alluding to the notion that Jones was let off as a result of political patronage, that is patently untrue. Connolly on the other hand- although not claimed here by Leon- went to jail because she is a Tory. Also not true.
    I'm not alluding to anything. I am stating a fact. Ricky Jones walked free despite, apparently, committing the crime of which he was accused, given that he was actually filmed doing it: demanding that throats be slit

    Now I wasn't at the trial and maybe the jury had some deep motivation I cannot discern. I accept their decision and I am not asking for a retrial. Double jeopardy and all that. But to me as an outsider the verdict is bizarre and mystifying - he walked free despite the overwhelming evidence

    We are allowed to have opinions on this, are we not? Or is Britain a place where you cannot even question judgements any more? The courts, police and juries are infallible and it is illegal to suggest otherwise?
    It’s mystifying to you because as a barrister friend told me something years ago, the public hates fascists and racists, as evidenced by the fact about 40 years ago an all white jury in Leeds acquitted a black guy for punching a member of the National Front.

    You just cannot get your head around that fact.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,259
    Leon said:

    Here is a video of Starmer demanding and stating that everyone involved - including those online - WILL get remanded, and then stiff jail sentences shall follow

    It was his policy. Remand them all in custody

    Is that enough documentation?

    https://x.com/PoliticsBlogGB/status/1956743447559237723

    That all seems to hinge on the ambiguous sense of 'expect': regard as likely vs look for as appropriate.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613

    Sandpit said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @MrEwanMorrison

    Say farewell to the AI bubble, and get ready for the crash.

    “The thought was that this growth would be exponential,” says Alex Hanna, a technology critic. Instead, Hanna says, “We’re hitting a wall.”

    https://x.com/MrEwanMorrison/status/1958672284883067273

    I think we can all see the utility that AI can conceivably deliver. If businesses aren’t seeing the benefits of it yet, they will do in due course. Whether that’s going to be as quick as predicted… hmmm.

    The problem is that AI is still highly fallible. As a very casual user, the confidence I have in its output varies from topic to topic, but probably averages at about 60-80%. In many professional settings, that just isn’t enough of a confidence level to relinquish control entirely and rely on the output. In time, I’m sure that will change.

    I have never been on the everybody is out of a job train. But if you aren't getting productivity gains even out of the current models you aren't using them correctly.

    One thing that is missing is a) making them as easy as possible to use for the every day tasks in real jobs and b) plumbing systems together so they can interact without having to know how to code. It is very much like the early internet, geeks have worked out how to script things to plumb things together but they aren't user friendly to the layman. All these software devs talking about spinning up multiple agents who plan and execute coding tasks and then automatically push to git, isn't what most people's jobs involve.

    My limited experience of AI is you have to know enough to say, hold on, that can't be right because... Perhaps the solution is to ask straight out for its third guess.
    This really isn't true of the SOTA models now.

    And for loads of tasks that take up huge amounts of peoples time it is more than enough to get you 80-90% of the way e.g. writing emails, reports, slides, code. Yes you still need to read / edit, but its a lot faster to give it the bullet points, have it generate the prose, and then do a scan and edit. And the quality of the prose is better than I can write without spending a lot of time.

    AI writes most of my code these days.
    But do you understand that code?

    I find that AI will usually have a decent go at writing what you want, and that its output usually works for straightforward cases. But, and it's a big but, it frequently fails with edge cases, and when you go to correct those manually, it can be the devil's own job trying to follow the barely structured mess that it has created. When you try to debug with AI, it usually adds some kludge to bypass the issue rather than dealing with the root cause of the problem, so you end up manually debugging, which can then end up taking more time than if you'd wrote it all yourself.

    On the plus side, I do sometimes learn new and better approaches than I would have used without AI and, when used judiciously, I'd say it is increasing my productivity. You do have to be disciplined, though, and make sure you understand what it has produced, and this means taking a carefully iterative approach and lots of refactoring.
    Yes.

    I know what you mean though. But how many people were copy / pasting from Stack Overflow previously without thinking or understanding what they were doing.
    At least most of the posted Stack Overflow code had been tested and commented on.
    That is true, although seen plenty of times where people have gone "close enough", let me just change this bit, sure that will be fine.

    One of the most stupid trends in coding is "vibe coding" and this idea of just get the agent to write the whole thing / or roam free to edit a big codebase automatically. There is absolutely no way of keeping up with all the changes it is introducing.
    “Vibe coding” is pretty much all bollocks.

    The only commercial use I can think of, is for the sales team to ‘code’ a scripted walk-through demo of requested features for a prospective client, but you sure as hell wouldn’t want to put some mess that no-one understands anywhere near a production environment.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,641

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Putin was never going to, and likely will never agree to meet Zelensky.
    The current Russian regime simply won't accept Ukraine as a sovereign nation, and symbolic events matter to them (a sharp contrast with Trump, who appears not to have had a clue what inviting Putin to meet on US soil implied).

    Russian FM Lavrov makes clear that there’s no Putin-Zelensky bilateral meeting planned nor is one happening anytime soon: “There is no meeting planned. And I'm not challenging this, but you -- you cannot, cannot, I think, understand what I am saying. Putin is ready to meet with Zelenskyy when the agenda would be ready for a summit. And this agenda is not ready at all.”
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1958859584296108513

    Trump has a press conference scheduled for midday.

    Has the penny finally dropped that the Russians are playing him for time and have no interest in peace, while the whole of Europe is steadfast behind supporting Ukraine to keep fighting?
    What do you think ?

    My prediction is he'll give him another "two weeks".
    I’d like to think he’s done with the games.

    To be fair to Trump his crazy brand of diplomacy has worked so far with other situations, but I think he has until now failed to understand the Russian mindset wrt Ukraine, and also underestimated the European resolve to put Putin firmly back in his box.
    Trump has no understanding of history, so doesn't understand how culturally important some parts of Ukraine are to Russia. The two are, AIUI, inextricably linked.
    Only in the mind of Russia

    Ukrainians have agency to make their own decisions
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,954

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    Perhaps sympathy for being

    1. Held on remand because starmer wanted it

    2. Bullied into pleading guilty

    3. Being given a ridiculously long jail sentence for a misjudged tweet

    4. Being madly mistreated while in jail

    5. Even as Labour councillors get off scot free for publicly demanding the slitting of throats
    Links for all those allegations from reputable sources please..

    Some of those comments can get the site into trouble.
    Here's Starmer saying he would remand everyone in custody

    "Huge victory, confirming that Starmer’s tyrannical blanket remand policy last summer pushed many to plead guilty who stood a strong chance of going free at trial.

    Of the 6 defendants to go to jury trial for offences during the Southport unrest, only one has been found guilty!"

    https://thecritic.co.uk/starmers-political-prisoners-pt-2/
    Point 2 is covered by point 1

    Point 3 is an opinion (held by very many) - she got longer in jail than people who do actual, serious violence

    Point 4 is covered by Allison Pearson's extensive reporting of this case

    Point 5 Is undisputed fact: Ricky Jones pubicly demanded the slitting of throats, was filmed doing so (during the riots) and yet was acquitted and walked free. Connolly got 31 months bird for a very foolish tweet she briskly deleted
    Alison Pearson is not a reputable source, see the bullshit she spouted during the pandemic.
    If we are using things said in the pandemic then almost everyone should shut up about everything.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,374

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    Perhaps sympathy for being

    1. Held on remand because starmer wanted it

    2. Bullied into pleading guilty

    3. Being given a ridiculously long jail sentence for a misjudged tweet

    4. Being madly mistreated while in jail

    5. Even as Labour councillors get off scot free for publicly demanding the slitting of throats
    Links for all those allegations from reputable sources please..

    Some of those comments can get the site into trouble.
    Here's Starmer saying he would remand everyone in custody

    "Huge victory, confirming that Starmer’s tyrannical blanket remand policy last summer pushed many to plead guilty who stood a strong chance of going free at trial.

    Of the 6 defendants to go to jury trial for offences during the Southport unrest, only one has been found guilty!"

    https://thecritic.co.uk/starmers-political-prisoners-pt-2/
    Point 2 is covered by point 1

    Point 3 is an opinion (held by very many) - she got longer in jail than people who do actual, serious violence

    Point 4 is covered by Allison Pearson's extensive reporting of this case

    Point 5 Is undisputed fact: Ricky Jones pubicly demanded the slitting of throats, was filmed doing so (during the riots) and yet was acquitted and walked free. Connolly got 31 months bird for a very foolish tweet she briskly deleted
    Alison Pearson is not a reputable source, see the bullshit she spouted during the pandemic.
    If Alison Pearson is lying about Saint Lucy's mistreatment, then I expect the prison wardens and governor of the jail cited will be suing her for libel any moment now
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,744

    Sandpit said:

    a

    Diabetes smartphone test could diagnose condition in under 10 minutes
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/diabetes-health-check-smartphone-app-nhs-b2812419.html

    I did not expect that Foxy's job would be the first victim of AI.

    There's tons of early diagnosis stuff coming down the road. Smart watches in particular can see all kinds of symptoms early.

    Big Medical Device is trying their best to take out Apple with patents in the US. However Apple is also willing to spend hundreds of millions on lawyers, the sort of opponent they’re not used to seeing.
    More with the whole "Medical Device" laws - barriers to entry into the health space have been assiduously built there, for generations.
    They have... for the very good reason that if your device gets it wrong, people could die. This does generate barriers to entry to the market, but maybe that's a good thing in such a safety critical context. "Fail fast" might work well in a lot of the industry, but it doesn't in healthcare tech!

    That said, Apple and others get around the medical device/software as a medical device rules all the time by claiming things aren't medical. They're just for consumer information, etc.

    But, yes, I think we do sometimes see big tech getting interested in health, trying to move into the area, finding out that it's all heavily regulated and just generally difficult, and then pulling out again.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,818
    There was a very high profile case a while back where a UK jury returned a not guilty verdict even though the evidence seemed conclusive and it’s really bugging me as I can’t remember what the subject matter was .
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,861
    nico67 said:

    There was a very high profile case a while back where a UK jury returned a not guilty verdict even though the evidence seemed conclusive and it’s really bugging me as I can’t remember what the subject matter was .

    Was it the Colston statue in Bristol?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,369
    edited August 22
    nico67 said:

    There was a very high profile case a while back where a UK jury returned a not guilty verdict even though the evidence seemed conclusive and it’s really bugging me as I can’t remember what the subject matter was .

    The Colston Riots in Bristol.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/05/four-cleared-of-toppling-edward-colston-statute
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613

    nico67 said:

    No one forced Connolly to plead guilty . If she was badly advised by her defence then that’s on them .

    I expect the beatification of her by the right wing media will continue .

    No but as someone who had probably never been in that situation before she made a foolish mistake. Quite possibly plod suggested if she went not guilty and was convicted it would be a longer sentence and scared her into guilty. We don't know - we were not in the room.
    We’ll see what she has to say in her own words, but the suggestion is that she was advised to plead guilty because she’d otherwise be held on remand for a year or more awaiting trial.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,648
    Leon said:

    nico67 said:

    No one forced Connolly to plead guilty . If she was badly advised by her defence then that’s on them .

    I expect the beatification of her by the right wing media will continue .

    I agree she shouldn't be beatifed but from now on August the 21st shall be known as the Day of the Apotheosis of the Blessed Lucy, from henceforth and evermore
    Surely the day the magistrate sent her down is the date for St Lucy's day?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,049
    The entire tweet is too long to post here, lol.

    "Robert Jenrick
    @RobertJenrick

    Our country’s patience has snapped. People are utterly sick of being ignored by the establishment.

    And this time they are doing something about it. It’s heartening to see people from all backgrounds fighting back against a rotten status quo – and winning.

    The people of Epping and the local council have led the way by forcing the Bell Inn Hotel housing illegal migrants to close. As a result of their success the Home Office is now under immense pressure to deport those here illegally rather than managing failure by housing them across the country.

    Last Sunday I went to visit those peaceful patriots protesting in Epping. I ordered the closure of the hotel back in 2023, but Labour reopened it this year because the number of migrants crossing the Channel has reached record levels.

    Nobody from Westminster had visited or listened to them before. Starmer and Cooper wouldn’t dare. But the stories locals told were harrowing and need to be heard. One mother told me how the local school had suggested students take a different route to school. Her young daughter said that men from the hotel loiter outside certain spots where “they look at us”. In the weeks prior there had been several serious attacks, allegedly by illegal migrants in the hotel. The protestors I spoke to weren’t racist – they were simply good parents and grandparents worried about their family’s safety.

    ................................................................................................................................................................................

    I can’t stand the self-loathing councils who have taken down the St George’s cross or Union flag. These are so often the same councils that happily leave up Palestinian flags. When I ran through Tower Hamlets during the London marathon this spring the council had allowed almost every lamppost to be adorned with foreign flags. Councils like this are the embodiment of two-tier Britain – denigrating our unifying national culture while celebrating every other. Well, enough is enough. I call on patriotic Britons across the country to put out our flags and restore pride in our country.

    The country is heading in the wrong direction. But the British people have shown during the last week that there are reasons to believe a comeback is on.

    8:32 PM · Aug 21, 2025
    188.9K Views"

    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1958613191337930810
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,744

    nico67 said:

    No one forced Connolly to plead guilty . If she was badly advised by her defence then that’s on them .

    I expect the beatification of her by the right wing media will continue .

    No but as someone who had probably never been in that situation before she made a foolish mistake. Quite possibly plod suggested if she went not guilty and was convicted it would be a longer sentence and scared her into guilty. We don't know - we were not in the room.
    And then, as evidenced, tried to disguise her crime and planned to lie to the court.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,777

    PB's second favourite pin up, Penny Mordant sitting in for O'Brien on LBC on Tuesday. (Cleverly on Thursday).

    My favourite is Greek MEP, founder of far-right Voice of Reason party, thirty four year old Afroditi Latinopoulou

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroditi_Latinopoulou



    Makes penny look like a real heifer, though that would not be hard.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,744

    nico67 said:

    No one forced Connolly to plead guilty . If she was badly advised by her defence then that’s on them .

    I expect the beatification of her by the right wing media will continue .

    No but as someone who had probably never been in that situation before she made a foolish mistake. Quite possibly plod suggested if she went not guilty and was convicted it would be a longer sentence and scared her into guilty. We don't know - we were not in the room.
    As TSE has repeatedly said, the police aren't there to be your friends. Innocent or guilty, you say nothing until you have got yourself legal representation. You can easily dig yourself a hole even if you haven't done what you are being accused of or digger a deeper one.
    She only pled guilty long after being arrested and after she'd had ample legal representation.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,884

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Putin was never going to, and likely will never agree to meet Zelensky.
    The current Russian regime simply won't accept Ukraine as a sovereign nation, and symbolic events matter to them (a sharp contrast with Trump, who appears not to have had a clue what inviting Putin to meet on US soil implied).

    Russian FM Lavrov makes clear that there’s no Putin-Zelensky bilateral meeting planned nor is one happening anytime soon: “There is no meeting planned. And I'm not challenging this, but you -- you cannot, cannot, I think, understand what I am saying. Putin is ready to meet with Zelenskyy when the agenda would be ready for a summit. And this agenda is not ready at all.”
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1958859584296108513

    Trump has a press conference scheduled for midday.

    Has the penny finally dropped that the Russians are playing him for time and have no interest in peace, while the whole of Europe is steadfast behind supporting Ukraine to keep fighting?
    What do you think ?

    My prediction is he'll give him another "two weeks".
    I’d like to think he’s done with the games.

    To be fair to Trump his crazy brand of diplomacy has worked so far with other situations, but I think he has until now failed to understand the Russian mindset wrt Ukraine, and also underestimated the European resolve to put Putin firmly back in his box.
    Where has Trump's "crazy brand of diplomacy" "worked so far"? The US's reputation around the world is in the toilet. As an example, Canadians hate him and are boycotting holidays in the US. He's done nothing to help the situation in Gaza. He claimed to bring peace between India and Pakistan, but they said he wasn't really involved.
    Trump is a very real and serious problem for all of us, and to be honest anyone thinking anything would come out of his charade last week, with European leaders and others fawning over him, were always likely to be let down

    I see no prospect of Putin agreeing peace talks anytime soon, and as for Trump raiding John Bolton's home then where on earth will this all end up ?
    I think the underlying dynamic beyond the theatrics is the war goes on and all the fawning is to try and stop Trump blaming Ukraine and walking away.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,861

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    Perhaps sympathy for being

    1. Held on remand because starmer wanted it

    2. Bullied into pleading guilty

    3. Being given a ridiculously long jail sentence for a misjudged tweet

    4. Being madly mistreated while in jail

    5. Even as Labour councillors get off scot free for publicly demanding the slitting of throats
    1 to 4 are quite probably bollocks, but 5 is a blatant lie. The Labour guy, whose commentary was vile and unacceptable took his chances with a jury. That is fact.

    1 and possibly 4 are probably libellous/slanderous.
    (2) is probably wrong in fact, but not libellous as it does not specify a particular person who did the bullying.

    (3) is not libellous as it's a matter of opinion.

    (4), again, does not specify a particular person (or persons) who caused mistreatment, so not libellous.

    (1) is the only one that might be libellous, but I think it's too up for interpretation to go anywhere.
    4. The Governor? The Screws?
    Had Leon specified the Governor and/or individual screws, that might be libellous, but he did not. You can't bring a libel suit on the basis that the accused might have been referring to you. You need to show you were specifically libelled.

    Had Leon said she was mistreated by all the staff at the prison, then maybe they could have collectively sued. But he didn't.
    While you're here, I enjoyed Polyphia, btw. Very technically accomplished - prog metal. Needs a few listens, I think. Reminded me of the version of the Game of Thrones theme wuth Nuno Bettencourt and Scott Ian and the like.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,648
    Andy_JS said:

    The entire tweet is too long to post here, lol.

    "Robert Jenrick
    @RobertJenrick

    Our country’s patience has snapped. People are utterly sick of being ignored by the establishment.

    And this time they are doing something about it. It’s heartening to see people from all backgrounds fighting back against a rotten status quo – and winning.

    The people of Epping and the local council have led the way by forcing the Bell Inn Hotel housing illegal migrants to close. As a result of their success the Home Office is now under immense pressure to deport those here illegally rather than managing failure by housing them across the country.

    Last Sunday I went to visit those peaceful patriots protesting in Epping. I ordered the closure of the hotel back in 2023, but Labour reopened it this year because the number of migrants crossing the Channel has reached record levels.

    Nobody from Westminster had visited or listened to them before. Starmer and Cooper wouldn’t dare. But the stories locals told were harrowing and need to be heard. One mother told me how the local school had suggested students take a different route to school. Her young daughter said that men from the hotel loiter outside certain spots where “they look at us”. In the weeks prior there had been several serious attacks, allegedly by illegal migrants in the hotel. The protestors I spoke to weren’t racist – they were simply good parents and grandparents worried about their family’s safety.

    ................................................................................................................................................................................

    I can’t stand the self-loathing councils who have taken down the St George’s cross or Union flag. These are so often the same councils that happily leave up Palestinian flags. When I ran through Tower Hamlets during the London marathon this spring the council had allowed almost every lamppost to be adorned with foreign flags. Councils like this are the embodiment of two-tier Britain – denigrating our unifying national culture while celebrating every other. Well, enough is enough. I call on patriotic Britons across the country to put out our flags and restore pride in our country.

    The country is heading in the wrong direction. But the British people have shown during the last week that there are reasons to believe a comeback is on.

    8:32 PM · Aug 21, 2025
    188.9K Views"

    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1958613191337930810

    Ooh the Daily Jenrick! This bastard seems to sail perilously close to the almost incitement wind.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,509

    Sandpit said:

    a

    Diabetes smartphone test could diagnose condition in under 10 minutes
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/diabetes-health-check-smartphone-app-nhs-b2812419.html

    I did not expect that Foxy's job would be the first victim of AI.

    There's tons of early diagnosis stuff coming down the road. Smart watches in particular can see all kinds of symptoms early.

    Big Medical Device is trying their best to take out Apple with patents in the US. However Apple is also willing to spend hundreds of millions on lawyers, the sort of opponent they’re not used to seeing.
    More with the whole "Medical Device" laws - barriers to entry into the health space have been assiduously built there, for generations.
    They have... for the very good reason that if your device gets it wrong, people could die. This does generate barriers to entry to the market, but maybe that's a good thing in such a safety critical context. "Fail fast" might work well in a lot of the industry, but it doesn't in healthcare tech!

    That said, Apple and others get around the medical device/software as a medical device rules all the time by claiming things aren't medical. They're just for consumer information, etc.

    But, yes, I think we do sometimes see big tech getting interested in health, trying to move into the area, finding out that it's all heavily regulated and just generally difficult, and then pulling out again.
    As is usual, in the US, regulation is a combination of none and wildly excessive to the point of creating monopolies. At the same time.

    To understand the bullshit - in the early days of heart rate monitors for athletes, the medical device companies tried to have them banned.

    Because the companies making them hadn't partnered up with a Proper Medical Firm and paid their 'vig.

    You'll notice the reaction to such devices in the UK. Where medical equipment regulation is more sane.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,777

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    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Putin was never going to, and likely will never agree to meet Zelensky.
    The current Russian regime simply won't accept Ukraine as a sovereign nation, and symbolic events matter to them (a sharp contrast with Trump, who appears not to have had a clue what inviting Putin to meet on US soil implied).

    Russian FM Lavrov makes clear that there’s no Putin-Zelensky bilateral meeting planned nor is one happening anytime soon: “There is no meeting planned. And I'm not challenging this, but you -- you cannot, cannot, I think, understand what I am saying. Putin is ready to meet with Zelenskyy when the agenda would be ready for a summit. And this agenda is not ready at all.”
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1958859584296108513

    Trump has a press conference scheduled for midday.

    Has the penny finally dropped that the Russians are playing him for time and have no interest in peace, while the whole of Europe is steadfast behind supporting Ukraine to keep fighting?
    What do you think ?

    My prediction is he'll give him another "two weeks".
    I’d like to think he’s done with the games.

    To be fair to Trump his crazy brand of diplomacy has worked so far with other situations, but I think he has until now failed to understand the Russian mindset wrt Ukraine, and also underestimated the European resolve to put Putin firmly back in his box.
    For many years you have naively tried to sane wash Trump. He is not a 12D chess genius. The man is ignorant, clueless and barely literate.

    The World is a much more dangerous place since January 20th.
    The clown could not run a bath
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,393
    nico67 said:

    There was a very high profile case a while back where a UK jury returned a not guilty verdict even though the evidence seemed conclusive and it’s really bugging me as I can’t remember what the subject matter was .

    Jeremy Thorpe.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,687

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    nico67 said:

    The USA shouldn’t be considered a functioning democracy anymore . It was good while it lasted !

    No, that would require the Democratic party to be banned and President Trump declared President for life by the SC with the support of the military to enforce that, the US is still some way from that
    Democrats from Texas arrested. The Federally sequestered State National Guard patrolling the streets of DC and LA, and 6 out of 9 SC judges comfortably in the Trump camp.

    Would you like to reassess your judgement?
    No. Every voter in every state still can elect Democrats on their ballot papers, national guards have patrolled under many Presidents back to IKE and judges on the SC always reflect the views of the President who appointed them and like him or not Trump was twice elected
    Don't forget the GOP black balled Garland and rushed through Comey Barrett. It has not been anything like a normalcy to appoint SCOTUS judges for a while, and have you forgotten January 6th 2021?
    The 'coup' that failed to stop Biden being elected and inaugrated as President?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,648
    malcolmg said:

    PB's second favourite pin up, Penny Mordant sitting in for O'Brien on LBC on Tuesday. (Cleverly on Thursday).

    My favourite is Greek MEP, founder of far-right Voice of Reason party, thirty four year old Afroditi Latinopoulou

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroditi_Latinopoulou



    Makes penny look like a real heifer, though that would not be hard.
    She'd have made the photo on a can of Tennants back in the day. Would Penny?
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