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  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,603
    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    I was wondering about this the other day; as she's been released on licence, are there more restrictions on what she can say, when compared to you or I? In other words, what does released on licence mean?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,458

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    A tweeter called “the British Patriot” has video of flag hanging in Scotland

    https://x.com/thebritlad/status/1958837855540625528?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    But I wonder if he’s got this totally wrong. For a start these are saltires - so this might just be a very Nat community? And normal?

    Can any of our North British correspondents elucidate?

    With the caveat that this could be a small number of people putting up lots of flags, which has a different meaning to lots of people putting up one flag each...

    What's the ratio of Union flags to English/Scottish/Welsh flags more generally? And what can we muse about from that?
    I dunno but I’m intrigued

    Flagging has apparently spread to Ireland as well. Which has produced the superb irony of Sinn Fein type Irish nationalists COMPLAINING about Irish people putting up Irish flags “because they are just copying stupid Brits and loyalists”

    Um. That sounds a bit unlikely. There have always been more flags flown in Ireland than in Britain.
    “Oh SHIT ! The flag shaggers have arrived in Dublin. We’re doomed !”

    https://x.com/lil_doza/status/1958485804260483489?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    “Following their English masters. They're an embarrassment”

    https://x.com/gingerbobag/status/1958634830272635085?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    “The insecurity of these clowns. Wouldn’t know what Irish culture is if it slapped them in the face. For many they think it’s freckles and red hair. Following the worst behaviour of loyalists and Brit nationalists. Marking their patch. Pathetic.”

    https://x.com/irelandsaysyes/status/1958624296147832972?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
    Why are people on the extreme right and extreme left obsessed with sex. Is it because they don’t get much ?

    The extreme right think everyone’s a nonce and the extreme left thinks flying a flag shows a sexual inclination towards it.

    Odd.
    Projection.

    The extreme right are all nonces. The extreme left shag the USSR flag every morning.
    Perhaps they should hook up and expand all that pent up sexual energy together. Only take a few minutes 👍

    They may both be a little less stressed after.
    I believe the far right have a more interesting sexual narrative. The story of Unity Mitford's willing availability to Senior Nazis is quite fascinating.
    Slightly less competent, mind.
    She managed to shoot herself in the head, but survive for several months only to die painfully and slowly from the complications.
    Poor show.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,506
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    If they’re not careful, Sinn Fein are going to be deeply damaged or destroyed as an electoral force in the south - by a nationalist party much more concerned with migration than reunification

    Which will be quite the irony

    Nah, the shinners are too clever for that, if they sense Ireland is going in that direction they will have a chameleon like adjustment to all of their policies. They are the original anti-immigration party of Ireland, there won't be a major party that can outflank them on it.
    As someone from NI - no, they won’t. SF built their modern (post violence) version on being progressive-left on internal politics. To become anti-immigrant would end them.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,859
    One region that should become both warmer and wetter and more supportive of intensive agriculture this century is Northern Russia and most of Siberia. Import a few tens of millions of climate refugees into Mother Russia and there’ll be no need to go raiding neighbours to top up the population.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,458
    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Those three talking wouldn't attract the sane.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,777
    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    I hope ol’ Turkey teeth Dan will be asking searching questions about which fucking hotels with which bastards in them she wanted set on fire.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,458
    TimS said:

    One region that should become both warmer and wetter and more supportive of intensive agriculture this century is Northern Russia and most of Siberia. Import a few tens of millions of climate refugees into Mother Russia and there’ll be no need to go raiding neighbours to top up the population.

    The Chinese have been doing that for some time.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,647
    Sandpit said:



    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Dinner party guests from Hell.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,259

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    I was wondering about this the other day; as she's been released on licence, are there more restrictions on what she can say, when compared to you or I? In other words, what does released on licence mean?
    She must have something massive on Sir Keir if they're making this much of a thing about it. Did he call her in prison personally, screaming that the accusation of 'two-tier justice' was destroying his government and that she must recant and declare that she deserved everything she got?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,757
    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,356

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    If they’re not careful, Sinn Fein are going to be deeply damaged or destroyed as an electoral force in the south - by a nationalist party much more concerned with migration than reunification

    Which will be quite the irony

    Nah, the shinners are too clever for that, if they sense Ireland is going in that direction they will have a chameleon like adjustment to all of their policies. They are the original anti-immigration party of Ireland, there won't be a major party that can outflank them on it.
    As someone from NI - no, they won’t. SF built their modern (post violence) version on being progressive-left on internal politics. To become anti-immigrant would end them.
    Yes, that's my reading
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,435
    Putin was never going to, and likely will never agree to meet Zelensky.
    The current Russian regime simply won't accept Ukraine as a sovereign nation, and symbolic events matter to them (a sharp contrast with Trump, who appears not to have had a clue what inviting Putin to meet on US soil implied).

    Russian FM Lavrov makes clear that there’s no Putin-Zelensky bilateral meeting planned nor is one happening anytime soon: “There is no meeting planned. And I'm not challenging this, but you -- you cannot, cannot, I think, understand what I am saying. Putin is ready to meet with Zelenskyy when the agenda would be ready for a summit. And this agenda is not ready at all.”
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1958859584296108513
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    I thought she was in nick.
    Apparently she got out of the slammer a couple of days ago.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,289
    TimS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe it would be better if instead of Reform winning the election, instead by getting to 40% in the polls pretty soon they force the mainstream parties to radically change their policies.

    But to what? Reform policies are cakeism. There’s not a meaningful policy platform for the other parties to adopt. The reason to vote Reform is not policy, it’s identity. Same as voting for Gaza independents.
    EVERY PARTY'S POLICIES ARE CAKEISM.

    Labour say they wont increase taxes but will spaff loads on public services = Growing debt and private sector decline
    Conservative cut taxes and cut spending = Growing debt and public service decline
    Lib Dem campaign against building houses or reservoirs or nuclear power plants but are in support of immigration and don't see the infrastructure contradiction there

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,777
    dixiedean said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    A tweeter called “the British Patriot” has video of flag hanging in Scotland

    https://x.com/thebritlad/status/1958837855540625528?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    But I wonder if he’s got this totally wrong. For a start these are saltires - so this might just be a very Nat community? And normal?

    Can any of our North British correspondents elucidate?

    With the caveat that this could be a small number of people putting up lots of flags, which has a different meaning to lots of people putting up one flag each...

    What's the ratio of Union flags to English/Scottish/Welsh flags more generally? And what can we muse about from that?
    I dunno but I’m intrigued

    Flagging has apparently spread to Ireland as well. Which has produced the superb irony of Sinn Fein type Irish nationalists COMPLAINING about Irish people putting up Irish flags “because they are just copying stupid Brits and loyalists”

    Um. That sounds a bit unlikely. There have always been more flags flown in Ireland than in Britain.
    “Oh SHIT ! The flag shaggers have arrived in Dublin. We’re doomed !”

    https://x.com/lil_doza/status/1958485804260483489?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    “Following their English masters. They're an embarrassment”

    https://x.com/gingerbobag/status/1958634830272635085?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    “The insecurity of these clowns. Wouldn’t know what Irish culture is if it slapped them in the face. For many they think it’s freckles and red hair. Following the worst behaviour of loyalists and Brit nationalists. Marking their patch. Pathetic.”

    https://x.com/irelandsaysyes/status/1958624296147832972?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
    Why are people on the extreme right and extreme left obsessed with sex. Is it because they don’t get much ?

    The extreme right think everyone’s a nonce and the extreme left thinks flying a flag shows a sexual inclination towards it.

    Odd.
    Projection.

    The extreme right are all nonces. The extreme left shag the USSR flag every morning.
    Perhaps they should hook up and expand all that pent up sexual energy together. Only take a few minutes 👍

    They may both be a little less stressed after.
    I believe the far right have a more interesting sexual narrative. The story of Unity Mitford's willing availability to Senior Nazis is quite fascinating.
    Slightly less competent, mind.
    She managed to shoot herself in the head, but survive for several months only to die painfully and slowly from the complications.
    Poor show.
    She actually survived nine years after shooting herself and apparently managed to fit in an affair with an RAF officer. Dunno if that indicates greater or lesser competency.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,550

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    If they’re not careful, Sinn Fein are going to be deeply damaged or destroyed as an electoral force in the south - by a nationalist party much more concerned with migration than reunification

    Which will be quite the irony

    Nah, the shinners are too clever for that, if they sense Ireland is going in that direction they will have a chameleon like adjustment to all of their policies. They are the original anti-immigration party of Ireland, there won't be a major party that can outflank them on it.
    As someone from NI - no, they won’t. SF built their modern (post violence) version on being progressive-left on internal politics. To become anti-immigrant would end them.
    There's going to be people who have been raised on "protecting Irish culture" that will force them to change or be supplanted and I think they're too smart to be supplanted.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613
    edited August 22

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,388
    DoctorG said:

    Carnyx said:

    https://bsky.app/profile/ballotbox.scot

    Barrhead, Liboside and Uplawmoor (East Renfrewshire) by-election transfers, votes at final head-to-head stage (vs same pairing 2022):

    Labour: 2217 (48.8%, +8.8)
    SNP: 1431 (31.5%, -10.4)
    Didn't Transfer: 894 (19.7%, +1.6)

    [Full details on posting; Reform on 22% first pref but hard to know what to make of it all as the first runner in the constituency in the 2022 election was an Independent and I've no idea who was voting for him]

    One of the grittier East Ren seats I guess. Council website says the seat had been held by the late Cllr Betty Cunningham, who was 26 years as a councillor, she would have a decent personal vote. Mr Sarwar will be pleased with the result
    A very good result for Labour. Not many transfers from Reform. It looks like they are the NOTA party.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613
    Nigelb said:

    Putin was never going to, and likely will never agree to meet Zelensky.
    The current Russian regime simply won't accept Ukraine as a sovereign nation, and symbolic events matter to them (a sharp contrast with Trump, who appears not to have had a clue what inviting Putin to meet on US soil implied).

    Russian FM Lavrov makes clear that there’s no Putin-Zelensky bilateral meeting planned nor is one happening anytime soon: “There is no meeting planned. And I'm not challenging this, but you -- you cannot, cannot, I think, understand what I am saying. Putin is ready to meet with Zelenskyy when the agenda would be ready for a summit. And this agenda is not ready at all.”
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1958859584296108513

    Trump has a press conference scheduled for midday.

    Has the penny finally dropped that the Russians are playing him for time and have no interest in peace, while the whole of Europe is steadfast behind supporting Ukraine to keep fighting?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,979
    The Home Office is appealing the High Court’s injunction preventing migrants from being housed at the Bell Hotel. Dan Jarvis told broadcasters the government remains committed to closing all asylum hotels, but wants it to be done in a “managed and ordered way, and that’s why we will appeal this decision.“
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,802
    Connolly’s sentence is the sort of talking point that enrages a certain voter, but it’s not going to be of much pertinence to most voters unless Labour rise to it. They have up until now sensibly kept quite quiet about the whole thing, and if they continue to have any good sense they’ll keep that up.

    As soon as they wade into that debate, they’ll be put on the back foot.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,603
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,802

    The Home Office is appealing the High Court’s injunction preventing migrants from being housed at the Bell Hotel. Dan Jarvis told broadcasters the government remains committed to closing all asylum hotels, but wants it to be done in a “managed and ordered way, and that’s why we will appeal this decision.“

    Logistically and practically it makes sense. Politically, it is going to look awful.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613
    Interview with russian tank crewman near Pokrovsk. Not a happy bunny.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1958864044405780617.html

    (Obviously could be bollocks, believe what you want to believe, fog of war, Ukranian propoganda etc).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,435
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Putin was never going to, and likely will never agree to meet Zelensky.
    The current Russian regime simply won't accept Ukraine as a sovereign nation, and symbolic events matter to them (a sharp contrast with Trump, who appears not to have had a clue what inviting Putin to meet on US soil implied).

    Russian FM Lavrov makes clear that there’s no Putin-Zelensky bilateral meeting planned nor is one happening anytime soon: “There is no meeting planned. And I'm not challenging this, but you -- you cannot, cannot, I think, understand what I am saying. Putin is ready to meet with Zelenskyy when the agenda would be ready for a summit. And this agenda is not ready at all.”
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1958859584296108513

    Trump has a press conference scheduled for midday.

    Has the penny finally dropped that the Russians are playing him for time and have no interest in peace, while the whole of Europe is steadfast behind supporting Ukraine to keep fighting?
    What do you think ?

    My prediction is he'll give him another "two weeks".
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,356

    The Home Office is appealing the High Court’s injunction preventing migrants from being housed at the Bell Hotel. Dan Jarvis told broadcasters the government remains committed to closing all asylum hotels, but wants it to be done in a “managed and ordered way, and that’s why we will appeal this decision.“

    Unbelievably bad optics
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,435

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,458
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Putin was never going to, and likely will never agree to meet Zelensky.
    The current Russian regime simply won't accept Ukraine as a sovereign nation, and symbolic events matter to them (a sharp contrast with Trump, who appears not to have had a clue what inviting Putin to meet on US soil implied).

    Russian FM Lavrov makes clear that there’s no Putin-Zelensky bilateral meeting planned nor is one happening anytime soon: “There is no meeting planned. And I'm not challenging this, but you -- you cannot, cannot, I think, understand what I am saying. Putin is ready to meet with Zelenskyy when the agenda would be ready for a summit. And this agenda is not ready at all.”
    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1958859584296108513

    Trump has a press conference scheduled for midday.

    Has the penny finally dropped that the Russians are playing him for time and have no interest in peace, while the whole of Europe is steadfast behind supporting Ukraine to keep fighting?
    I'll hazard a guess.
    No?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,356
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    If they’re not careful, Sinn Fein are going to be deeply damaged or destroyed as an electoral force in the south - by a nationalist party much more concerned with migration than reunification

    Which will be quite the irony

    Nah, the shinners are too clever for that, if they sense Ireland is going in that direction they will have a chameleon like adjustment to all of their policies. They are the original anti-immigration party of Ireland, there won't be a major party that can outflank them on it.
    As someone from NI - no, they won’t. SF built their modern (post violence) version on being progressive-left on internal politics. To become anti-immigrant would end them.
    There's going to be people who have been raised on "protecting Irish culture" that will force them to change or be supplanted and I think they're too smart to be supplanted.
    You don't realise how much Sinn Fein have morphed into Jezbollah with more shamrocks
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,690

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    She would be well advised to keep quiet.

    Saying she was justified in calling for arson of occupied buildings isn't going to play well. Farage is far too wiley to get close to that. Tacit support for riots and mob violence is his limit.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,292

    The Home Office is appealing the High Court’s injunction preventing migrants from being housed at the Bell Hotel. Dan Jarvis told broadcasters the government remains committed to closing all asylum hotels, but wants it to be done in a “managed and ordered way, and that’s why we will appeal this decision.“

    I would put the chances of the government winning an appeal on the injunction at over 50%. The balance of convenience is by no means clear. On the substantive issue of change of use in the longer run, they would probably lose, though on that one they would have time to pass primary legislation to legalise it (unless of course 800 Labour backbenchers decide their seats are more important than orderly government, which they might).
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613

    Connolly’s sentence is the sort of talking point that enrages a certain voter, but it’s not going to be of much pertinence to most voters unless Labour rise to it. They have up until now sensibly kept quite quiet about the whole thing, and if they continue to have any good sense they’ll keep that up.

    As soon as they wade into that debate, they’ll be put on the back foot.

    Yes the best thing is to ignore her, the worry is that she comes out fighting and they don’t have the choice. I’m guessing that the BBC and Channel 4 news are ignoring the story so far.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,435
    Apparently this is the engine that powers the Ukrainian "Flamingo" cruise missile.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivchenko_AI-25

    Dates back over half a century, but regularly upgraded and still in production, in Ukraine (another version powers the Bayraktar stealth drone).
    nearly 10k built, so there'll be a lot of spares and old kit knocking around. And it only has to last 3000km, so can be bolted together from obsolete parted out kit.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,506
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    A tweeter called “the British Patriot” has video of flag hanging in Scotland

    https://x.com/thebritlad/status/1958837855540625528?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    But I wonder if he’s got this totally wrong. For a start these are saltires - so this might just be a very Nat community? And normal?

    Can any of our North British correspondents elucidate?

    With the caveat that this could be a small number of people putting up lots of flags, which has a different meaning to lots of people putting up one flag each...

    What's the ratio of Union flags to English/Scottish/Welsh flags more generally? And what can we muse about from that?
    I dunno but I’m intrigued

    Flagging has apparently spread to Ireland as well. Which has produced the superb irony of Sinn Fein type Irish nationalists COMPLAINING about Irish people putting up Irish flags “because they are just copying stupid Brits and loyalists”

    Um. That sounds a bit unlikely. There have always been more flags flown in Ireland than in Britain.
    “Oh SHIT ! The flag shaggers have arrived in Dublin. We’re doomed !”

    https://x.com/lil_doza/status/1958485804260483489?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    “Following their English masters. They're an embarrassment”

    https://x.com/gingerbobag/status/1958634830272635085?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    “The insecurity of these clowns. Wouldn’t know what Irish culture is if it slapped them in the face. For many they think it’s freckles and red hair. Following the worst behaviour of loyalists and Brit nationalists. Marking their patch. Pathetic.”

    https://x.com/irelandsaysyes/status/1958624296147832972?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
    Why are people on the extreme right and extreme left obsessed with sex. Is it because they don’t get much ?

    The extreme right think everyone’s a nonce and the extreme left thinks flying a flag shows a sexual inclination towards it.

    Odd.
    Projection.

    The extreme right are all nonces. The extreme left shag the USSR flag every morning.
    Perhaps they should hook up and expand all that pent up sexual energy together. Only take a few minutes 👍

    They may both be a little less stressed after.
    Reminds me of the line about cars being a phallic substitute - “If your personal equipment looks anything like a Porsche, see immediate medical attention.”
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,550
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    If they’re not careful, Sinn Fein are going to be deeply damaged or destroyed as an electoral force in the south - by a nationalist party much more concerned with migration than reunification

    Which will be quite the irony

    Nah, the shinners are too clever for that, if they sense Ireland is going in that direction they will have a chameleon like adjustment to all of their policies. They are the original anti-immigration party of Ireland, there won't be a major party that can outflank them on it.
    As someone from NI - no, they won’t. SF built their modern (post violence) version on being progressive-left on internal politics. To become anti-immigrant would end them.
    There's going to be people who have been raised on "protecting Irish culture" that will force them to change or be supplanted and I think they're too smart to be supplanted.
    You don't realise how much Sinn Fein have morphed into Jezbollah with more shamrocks
    Then they'll be supplanted just as the Tories have been here.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,356
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    If they’re not careful, Sinn Fein are going to be deeply damaged or destroyed as an electoral force in the south - by a nationalist party much more concerned with migration than reunification

    Which will be quite the irony

    Nah, the shinners are too clever for that, if they sense Ireland is going in that direction they will have a chameleon like adjustment to all of their policies. They are the original anti-immigration party of Ireland, there won't be a major party that can outflank them on it.
    As someone from NI - no, they won’t. SF built their modern (post violence) version on being progressive-left on internal politics. To become anti-immigrant would end them.
    There's going to be people who have been raised on "protecting Irish culture" that will force them to change or be supplanted and I think they're too smart to be supplanted.
    You don't realise how much Sinn Fein have morphed into Jezbollah with more shamrocks
    Then they'll be supplanted just as the Tories have been here.
    Which was my original point. They are endangered
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,636
    Clockwise M25 is a complete car park today. Thankfully I was going the other way
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613
    Nigelb said:

    Apparently this is the engine that powers the Ukrainian "Flamingo" cruise missile.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivchenko_AI-25

    Dates back over half a century, but regularly upgraded and still in production, in Ukraine (another version powers the Bayraktar stealth drone).
    nearly 10k built, so there'll be a lot of spares and old kit knocking around. And it only has to last 3000km, so can be bolted together from obsolete parted out kit.

    Yup, they have loads of them and current manufacturing capacity. The bomb on the front starts life as an existing and numerous bomb too, so once the concept is proven they’re going to be easy to make in the thousands.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,647
    PB's second favourite pin up, Penny Mordant sitting in for O'Brien on LBC on Tuesday. (Cleverly on Thursday).
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,859
    edited August 22
    Mortimer said:

    TimS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe it would be better if instead of Reform winning the election, instead by getting to 40% in the polls pretty soon they force the mainstream parties to radically change their policies.

    But to what? Reform policies are cakeism. There’s not a meaningful policy platform for the other parties to adopt. The reason to vote Reform is not policy, it’s identity. Same as voting for Gaza independents.
    EVERY PARTY'S POLICIES ARE CAKEISM.

    Labour say they wont increase taxes but will spaff loads on public services = Growing debt and private sector decline
    Conservative cut taxes and cut spending = Growing debt and public service decline
    Lib Dem campaign against building houses or reservoirs or nuclear power plants but are in support of immigration and don't see the infrastructure contradiction there

    Citation needed for a lot of the above.

    Parties and party activists say all sorts of things, but I’m taking actual policy as written in election manifestos and government bills.

    The 3 traditional parties, plus the SNP and Plaid, produced manifestos a year ago with relatively detailed policies that at least attempt to add up fiscally. All 5 made some assumptions that could be contested, but all 5 attempted to fully cost their policy platforms.

    Reform and the Greens both wrote manifestos based entirely on vibes, without even a pretence of credibly costing them. Because they don’t actually need to. Their vote is not policy based. See IFS, Neidle and others on this.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,979
    So it seems Labour latest relaunch is going to be echoing many of the media talking heads that Britain isn't broken after all...all a bit whiplash, after telling us consistently over the past year how everything is broken. I am not sure spin that they have fixed (the foundations) is going to fly.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,801
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    A tweeter called “the British Patriot” has video of flag hanging in Scotland

    https://x.com/thebritlad/status/1958837855540625528?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    But I wonder if he’s got this totally wrong. For a start these are saltires - so this might just be a very Nat community? And normal?

    Can any of our North British correspondents elucidate?

    With the caveat that this could be a small number of people putting up lots of flags, which has a different meaning to lots of people putting up one flag each...

    What's the ratio of Union flags to English/Scottish/Welsh flags more generally? And what can we muse about from that?
    I dunno but I’m intrigued

    Flagging has apparently spread to Ireland as well. Which has produced the superb irony of Sinn Fein type Irish nationalists COMPLAINING about Irish people putting up Irish flags “because they are just copying stupid Brits and loyalists”

    Um. That sounds a bit unlikely. There have always been more flags flown in Ireland than in Britain.
    “Oh SHIT ! The flag shaggers have arrived in Dublin. We’re doomed !”

    https://x.com/lil_doza/status/1958485804260483489?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    “Following their English masters. They're an embarrassment”

    https://x.com/gingerbobag/status/1958634830272635085?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    “The insecurity of these clowns. Wouldn’t know what Irish culture is if it slapped them in the face. For many they think it’s freckles and red hair. Following the worst behaviour of loyalists and Brit nationalists. Marking their patch. Pathetic.”

    https://x.com/irelandsaysyes/status/1958624296147832972?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw
    One of those tweeters has the Irish tricolour in their twitter handle. Hello?!?

    I'm going to chalk that down to permanently online people having a typically daft reaction to something online.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,647
    Simon Jack presenting WATO this lunchtime was much more World-centric than Montague or Dimond. He was very good. I get the impression the presenter has a great deal of editorial influence on BBC radio.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,008
    IanB2 said:

    Clockwise M25 is a complete car park today. Thankfully I was going the other way

    That sounds really dangerous.
    Oh, I see.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,289
    TimS said:

    Mortimer said:

    TimS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Maybe it would be better if instead of Reform winning the election, instead by getting to 40% in the polls pretty soon they force the mainstream parties to radically change their policies.

    But to what? Reform policies are cakeism. There’s not a meaningful policy platform for the other parties to adopt. The reason to vote Reform is not policy, it’s identity. Same as voting for Gaza independents.
    EVERY PARTY'S POLICIES ARE CAKEISM.

    Labour say they wont increase taxes but will spaff loads on public services = Growing debt and private sector decline
    Conservative cut taxes and cut spending = Growing debt and public service decline
    Lib Dem campaign against building houses or reservoirs or nuclear power plants but are in support of immigration and don't see the infrastructure contradiction there

    Citation needed for a lot of the above.

    Parties and party activists say all sorts of things, but I’m taking actual policy as written in election manifestos and government bills.

    The 3 traditional parties, plus the SNP and Plaid, produced manifestos a year ago with relatively detailed policies that at least attempt to add up fiscally. All 5 made some assumptions that could be contested, but all 5 attempted to fully cost their policy platforms.

    Reform and the Greens both wrote manifestos based entirely on vibes, without even a pretence of credibly costing them. Because they don’t actually need to. Their vote is not policy based. See IFS, Neidle and others on this.
    Anyone who has been paying attention to British politics for the last decade needs no citations for any of my comments. It is clear to see from the actions of the parties; words in a manifesto butter no parsnips for most voters.
  • You know how to help your chances of winning elections?

    Govern well.

    Seems most parties are willing to do anything to win - except that...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,963
    Nigelb said:

    Trump, who appears not to have had a clue

    Tbf, you could just have left it at that.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,963
    IanB2 said:

    Clockwise M25 is a complete car park today. Thankfully I was going the other way

    I’m intrigued by the implication that there are occasions when it is something other than a complete car park.
  • PB's second favourite pin up, Penny Mordant sitting in for O'Brien on LBC on Tuesday. (Cleverly on Thursday).

    My favourite is Greek MEP, founder of far-right Voice of Reason party, thirty four year old Afroditi Latinopoulou

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afroditi_Latinopoulou



  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,647

    So it seems Labour latest relaunch is going to be echoing many of the media talking heads that Britain isn't broken after all...all a bit whiplash, after telling us consistently over the past year how everything is broken. I am not sure spin that they have fixed (the foundations) is going to fly.

    Your team have been very impressive this week. They utterly smashed Labour asylum policy with the hotel judgement. I don't know what Farage was doing but he and his reprobate Party haven't been at the immigration races this week.

    Philp, Kemi and Jenrick have all been very small boats effective.

    The hapless Dan Jarvis was on for Labour defending the hotel judgement appeal, and to think he was once a favourite to become Labour leader.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,861
    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,788
    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    Can't tell if this is laboured irony or genuine ignorance.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,801
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    If they’re not careful, Sinn Fein are going to be deeply damaged or destroyed as an electoral force in the south - by a nationalist party much more concerned with migration than reunification

    Which will be quite the irony

    Nah, the shinners are too clever for that, if they sense Ireland is going in that direction they will have a chameleon like adjustment to all of their policies. They are the original anti-immigration party of Ireland, there won't be a major party that can outflank them on it.
    Perhaps. But I wonder if they’ve been colonised by their own Marxism and wokery and are now incapable of pivoting. They show no sign of it so far (in the south)
    Peadar Tóibín of Aontú is probably the one to watch. He does well in the media.

    That said, FG and FF are not going to want to be outflanked by an anti-immigrant party themselves, and will be working hard to corner that part of the electorate.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,777

    You know how to help your chances of winning elections?

    Govern well.

    Seems most parties are willing to do anything to win - except that...

    I did read on here that the SNP should choose to govern really well to advance the Indy cause. Obviously the thrawn bastards have avoided doing this, from stubbornness no doubt.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,979

    So it seems Labour latest relaunch is going to be echoing many of the media talking heads that Britain isn't broken after all...all a bit whiplash, after telling us consistently over the past year how everything is broken. I am not sure spin that they have fixed (the foundations) is going to fly.

    Your team have been very impressive this week. They utterly smashed Labour asylum policy with the hotel judgement. I don't know what Farage was doing but he and his reprobate Party haven't been at the immigration races this week.

    Philp, Kemi and Jenrick have all been very small boats effective.

    The hapless Dan Jarvis was on for Labour defending the hotel judgement appeal, and to think he was once a favourite to become Labour leader.
    My team are doing incredibly well...Crewe Alex are top of the league with 100% win record this season. I don't support any other teams, not even in the Hundred.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,777
    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    Badge is Stone Island, a clothing label favoured by soccer casuals (are they still called that?), bags heavily cut coke.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,861
    Dura_Ace said:

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    Can't tell if this is laboured irony or genuine ignorance.
    Genuine ignorance, on this occasion.
    Well, 'bags' from the picture could be drinks. But I've never heard drinks referred to as such. I've also heard condoms referred to as 'bags', but fron the picture I'm 90% sure it's not that.
    Wait - it's cocaine, isn't it?
    They'd be much better off with crisps.
    Still no idea about badge, though.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,603
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Nightmare? Depends what she's going to say. Can't say she was framed as she pled guilty. Can't say she was entrapped to plead guilty as she didn't raise that as a point of appeal. Can't say that she didn't say what she said.

    So.....? Have her as the mouthpiece for the "send the darkies home" campaign? That won't give Starmer too many sleepless nights.
    The government’s worst case scenario is probably that she says something that’s clearly in breach of her licence conditions, and someone has to decide whether to recall her.

    That, or she gives a bland interview on UK TV then heads off to the US podcast circuit. Is she allowed to travel?

    She’s somewhat more articulate and photogenic than “Tommy”.
    She has a fairly narrow path to follow. She doesn't want to get into trouble with the law, but (I'm guessing) she does want to generate a lot of sympathy for her position. It's also perfectly possible that she turns away some of the people who were instinctively sympathetic to her. Or she may be able to use her situation to her own advantage.

    The choice of channel and interviewer is interesting.

    I hope she's getting good advice. There'll be lots of people wanting to use her.
    Given she's now free, what sympathy does she expect ?
    The sort of sympathy that might being in a few quid, I expect.

    I might be wrong through, but the choice of interviewer is interesting.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,799
    IanB2 said:

    Clockwise M25 is a complete car park today. Thankfully I was going the other way

    Why doesn’t everyone simply go all the way round anticlockwise. Are they stupid?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,647

    The Home Office is appealing the High Court’s injunction preventing migrants from being housed at the Bell Hotel. Dan Jarvis told broadcasters the government remains committed to closing all asylum hotels, but wants it to be done in a “managed and ordered way, and that’s why we will appeal this decision.“

    Logistically and practically it makes sense. Politically, it is going to look awful.
    Jarvis's presentation was particularly poor. It was from the Geoff Hoon school of media management.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,861
    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    Can't tell if this is laboured irony or genuine ignorance.
    Genuine ignorance, on this occasion.
    Well, 'bags' from the picture could be drinks. But I've never heard drinks referred to as such. I've also heard condoms referred to as 'bags', but fron the picture I'm 90% sure it's not that.
    Wait - it's cocaine, isn't it?
    They'd be much better off with crisps.
    Still no idea about badge, though.
    I've just felt a glow of vague warmth towards the hundred. It may be fundamentally stupid, but at least it genuinely celebrates crisps.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,954
    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Its not Starmer's nightmare - if she was badly advised (legal team, police) then they are the ones that ought to answer.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,777
    edited August 22

    The Home Office is appealing the High Court’s injunction preventing migrants from being housed at the Bell Hotel. Dan Jarvis told broadcasters the government remains committed to closing all asylum hotels, but wants it to be done in a “managed and ordered way, and that’s why we will appeal this decision.“

    Logistically and practically it makes sense. Politically, it is going to look awful.
    Jarvis's presentation was particularly poor. It was from the Geoff Hoon school of media management.
    Probably applies to every vaguely sentient pol of the last 20 years but I’m sure Jarvis was touted as future PM/LOTO material at one point.
    Edit: sorry, I see you referred to that in an earlier post.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,876

    So it seems Labour latest relaunch is going to be echoing many of the media talking heads that Britain isn't broken after all...all a bit whiplash, after telling us consistently over the past year how everything is broken. I am not sure spin that they have fixed (the foundations) is going to fly.

    Your team have been very impressive this week. They utterly smashed Labour asylum policy with the hotel judgement. I don't know what Farage was doing but he and his reprobate Party haven't been at the immigration races this week.

    Philp, Kemi and Jenrick have all been very small boats effective.

    The hapless Dan Jarvis was on for Labour defending the hotel judgement appeal, and to think he was once a favourite to become Labour leader.
    I don't think that was ever based on much beyond ex army, straight shoulders and good hair.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,647
    'kin 'ell.

    It's all going to end up like Pinochet's Chile.

    If Bolton is deemed a commie traitor, I don't see much hope for the likes of Schiff and Newsom.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,861

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    Badge is Stone Island, a clothing label favoured by soccer casuals (are they still called that?), bags heavily cut coke.
    Thanks. You could have sat me there all day and I'd never have got Stone Island. It looked vaguely like the NATO logo but that seemed even more unlikely than a celebration of crisps.

    Still, that is what I will now associate Hull City with: NATO, crisps and unfussy women. And being the only league club with no letters you can colour in.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,954

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    I was wondering about this the other day; as she's been released on licence, are there more restrictions on what she can say, when compared to you or I? In other words, what does released on licence mean?
    I thought it was not committing offences - so no more dodgy facebook posts about burning down hotels, for a start.

    I don't think she'd be unable to speak about her experiences.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,913

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    Badge is Stone Island, a clothing label favoured by soccer casuals (are they still called that?), bags heavily cut coke.
    I quite enjoy the Facebook page that posts pictures of people who are contorting themselves in painful ways to ensure their Stone Island badge is visible in photos.

    Almost as good as the weird Wolf T-shirt/fleece/matching trousers thing and the “dry-robe wankers” - really don’t understand those particular fashions.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,861

    The Home Office is appealing the High Court’s injunction preventing migrants from being housed at the Bell Hotel. Dan Jarvis told broadcasters the government remains committed to closing all asylum hotels, but wants it to be done in a “managed and ordered way, and that’s why we will appeal this decision.“

    Logistically and practically it makes sense. Politically, it is going to look awful.
    Jarvis's presentation was particularly poor. It was from the Geoff Hoon school of media management.
    Probably applies to every vaguely sentient pol of the last 20 years but I’m sure Jarvis was touted as future PM/LOTO material at one point.
    Yes, he was. On the basis of ex-military and good hair. Well, no danger of baldness anyway.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,435
    Dura_Ace said:

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    Can't tell if this is laboured irony or genuine ignorance.
    You should add the semiotics of flags to your tutoring offering.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,979
    boulay said:

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    Badge is Stone Island, a clothing label favoured by soccer casuals (are they still called that?), bags heavily cut coke.
    I quite enjoy the Facebook page that posts pictures of people who are contorting themselves in painful ways to ensure their Stone Island badge is visible in photos.

    Almost as good as the weird Wolf T-shirt/fleece/matching trousers thing and the “dry-robe wankers” - really don’t understand those particular fashions.
    I know they get everywhere...


  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,647
    kinabalu said:

    So it seems Labour latest relaunch is going to be echoing many of the media talking heads that Britain isn't broken after all...all a bit whiplash, after telling us consistently over the past year how everything is broken. I am not sure spin that they have fixed (the foundations) is going to fly.

    Your team have been very impressive this week. They utterly smashed Labour asylum policy with the hotel judgement. I don't know what Farage was doing but he and his reprobate Party haven't been at the immigration races this week.

    Philp, Kemi and Jenrick have all been very small boats effective.

    The hapless Dan Jarvis was on for Labour defending the hotel judgement appeal, and to think he was once a favourite to become Labour leader.
    I don't think that was ever based on much beyond ex army, straight shoulders and good hair.
    Burnham is, by comparison looking more like the man.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,777
    edited August 22
    Cookie said:

    The Home Office is appealing the High Court’s injunction preventing migrants from being housed at the Bell Hotel. Dan Jarvis told broadcasters the government remains committed to closing all asylum hotels, but wants it to be done in a “managed and ordered way, and that’s why we will appeal this decision.“

    Logistically and practically it makes sense. Politically, it is going to look awful.
    Jarvis's presentation was particularly poor. It was from the Geoff Hoon school of media management.
    Probably applies to every vaguely sentient pol of the last 20 years but I’m sure Jarvis was touted as future PM/LOTO material at one point.
    Yes, he was. On the basis of ex-military and good hair. Well, no danger of baldness anyway.
    He could take the Gavin Newsom shitposting road to the top, but it seems unlikely.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,801
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    If they’re not careful, Sinn Fein are going to be deeply damaged or destroyed as an electoral force in the south - by a nationalist party much more concerned with migration than reunification

    Which will be quite the irony

    Nah, the shinners are too clever for that, if they sense Ireland is going in that direction they will have a chameleon like adjustment to all of their policies. They are the original anti-immigration party of Ireland, there won't be a major party that can outflank them on it.
    As someone from NI - no, they won’t. SF built their modern (post violence) version on being progressive-left on internal politics. To become anti-immigrant would end them.
    There's going to be people who have been raised on "protecting Irish culture" that will force them to change or be supplanted and I think they're too smart to be supplanted.
    You don't realise how much Sinn Fein have morphed into Jezbollah with more shamrocks
    They started tacking against immigration last July, at least trying to ride the wave of local protests against accommodation for asylum seekers, so they're at about Ed Miliband's (2015) position now, rather than Corbyn.

    It wouldn't be a simple switch for them to make, but I can see them trying.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,047
    Very good result for both Labour and Reform in the East Renfrewshire by-election. Nearly two-thirds of the vote between them on 1st prefs.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,979
    edited August 22
    Of all the problem and pitfalls facing Starmer, Lucy Connolly isn't one of them.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,802

    So it seems Labour latest relaunch is going to be echoing many of the media talking heads that Britain isn't broken after all...all a bit whiplash, after telling us consistently over the past year how everything is broken. I am not sure spin that they have fixed (the foundations) is going to fly.

    Good god, they really are clueless.

    How the f*ck are they still working out their messaging over a year after entering government? This is the stuff that they had to be getting right in the first two weeks!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,047

    IanB2 said:

    Clockwise M25 is a complete car park today. Thankfully I was going the other way

    Why doesn’t everyone simply go all the way round anticlockwise. Are they stupid?
    Driving from the Midlands to Gatwick you always have that choice, lol.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,861

    kinabalu said:

    So it seems Labour latest relaunch is going to be echoing many of the media talking heads that Britain isn't broken after all...all a bit whiplash, after telling us consistently over the past year how everything is broken. I am not sure spin that they have fixed (the foundations) is going to fly.

    Your team have been very impressive this week. They utterly smashed Labour asylum policy with the hotel judgement. I don't know what Farage was doing but he and his reprobate Party haven't been at the immigration races this week.

    Philp, Kemi and Jenrick have all been very small boats effective.

    The hapless Dan Jarvis was on for Labour defending the hotel judgement appeal, and to think he was once a favourite to become Labour leader.
    I don't think that was ever based on much beyond ex army, straight shoulders and good hair.
    Burnham is, by comparison looking more like the man.
    It appears to have become almost expected in GM's public sector that Andrew Gwynne will step down and Burnham will stand in the resultant by-election. Though whether that is based on anything more substantial than we know on here (i.e. such a by-election is reasonably forseeable and reasonably winnable) I don't know!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,658
    @MrEwanMorrison

    Say farewell to the AI bubble, and get ready for the crash.

    “The thought was that this growth would be exponential,” says Alex Hanna, a technology critic. Instead, Hanna says, “We’re hitting a wall.”

    https://x.com/MrEwanMorrison/status/1958672284883067273
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,506

    kinabalu said:

    So it seems Labour latest relaunch is going to be echoing many of the media talking heads that Britain isn't broken after all...all a bit whiplash, after telling us consistently over the past year how everything is broken. I am not sure spin that they have fixed (the foundations) is going to fly.

    Your team have been very impressive this week. They utterly smashed Labour asylum policy with the hotel judgement. I don't know what Farage was doing but he and his reprobate Party haven't been at the immigration races this week.

    Philp, Kemi and Jenrick have all been very small boats effective.

    The hapless Dan Jarvis was on for Labour defending the hotel judgement appeal, and to think he was once a favourite to become Labour leader.
    I don't think that was ever based on much beyond ex army, straight shoulders and good hair.
    Burnham is, by comparison looking more like the man.
    Burnham's appeal is that he has been, as Mayor, opposing nasty cuts and advocating more spending on his city. Oppositional soft left politics.

    The moment he has to make some hard choices, that appeal will evaporate and you will be left with the hapless, failed minister.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,047
    edited August 22
    Latest post from the Skeptical Doctor blogsite.

    "A Loss for Words

    In last week’s Takimag, our favorite doctor laments the increasing usage of informality in language, clothing, and even tombstones in his native Britain

    Dignity is lost when people lose the appreciation that language that is right in one circumstance is not right in another. We have come to view any distinctions in dress, conduct, or language as inherently snobbish or even antidemocratic."

    https://www.skepticaldoctor.com
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,861

    Cookie said:

    The Home Office is appealing the High Court’s injunction preventing migrants from being housed at the Bell Hotel. Dan Jarvis told broadcasters the government remains committed to closing all asylum hotels, but wants it to be done in a “managed and ordered way, and that’s why we will appeal this decision.“

    Logistically and practically it makes sense. Politically, it is going to look awful.
    Jarvis's presentation was particularly poor. It was from the Geoff Hoon school of media management.
    Probably applies to every vaguely sentient pol of the last 20 years but I’m sure Jarvis was touted as future PM/LOTO material at one point.
    Yes, he was. On the basis of ex-military and good hair. Well, no danger of baldness anyway.
    He could take the Gavin Newsom shitposting road to the top, but it seems unlikely.
    From my understanding of Dan Jarvis - yes, I'd agree, unlikely. He has always struck me as reasonably conciliatory.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,788
    There is a very good article in the WaPo today about Trump's attempts to end the SMO for those of us who are either clever enough to edit the page source to get past the paywall or stupid enough to give Bezos more money.

    Basically... Witkoff is just a MAGA flying monkey who doesn't know what the fuck he is doing. Trump thinks he can sway Putin by the strength of their personal relationship. Russia's position hasn't change one iota since Istanbul 2022. Putin talked Trump out of applying harder sanctions in Alaska.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,802
    Scott_xP said:

    @MrEwanMorrison

    Say farewell to the AI bubble, and get ready for the crash.

    “The thought was that this growth would be exponential,” says Alex Hanna, a technology critic. Instead, Hanna says, “We’re hitting a wall.”

    https://x.com/MrEwanMorrison/status/1958672284883067273

    I think we can all see the utility that AI can conceivably deliver. If businesses aren’t seeing the benefits of it yet, they will do in due course. Whether that’s going to be as quick as predicted… hmmm.

    The problem is that AI is still highly fallible. As a very casual user, the confidence I have in its output varies from topic to topic, but probably averages at about 60-80%. In many professional settings, that just isn’t enough of a confidence level to relinquish control entirely and rely on the output. In time, I’m sure that will change.

  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,861
    Scott_xP said:

    @MrEwanMorrison

    Say farewell to the AI bubble, and get ready for the crash.

    “The thought was that this growth would be exponential,” says Alex Hanna, a technology critic. Instead, Hanna says, “We’re hitting a wall.”

    https://x.com/MrEwanMorrison/status/1958672284883067273

    Interestingly (well, to me, anyway) the upper ceiling of AI may be close for physical reasons - it may be we are close to the point where chips can't be made any smaller and more efficient than they are.
    I'd have thought that even if that were the case we could still twist a lot more gains out of the software though.

    Also interestingly - at least two young people I know refuse to use it on principle.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,393
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    If they’re not careful, Sinn Fein are going to be deeply damaged or destroyed as an electoral force in the south - by a nationalist party much more concerned with migration than reunification

    Which will be quite the irony

    Nah, the shinners are too clever for that, if they sense Ireland is going in that direction they will have a chameleon like adjustment to all of their policies. They are the original anti-immigration party of Ireland, there won't be a major party that can outflank them on it.
    As someone from NI - no, they won’t. SF built their modern (post violence) version on being progressive-left on internal politics. To become anti-immigrant would end them.
    There's going to be people who have been raised on "protecting Irish culture" that will force them to change or be supplanted and I think they're too smart to be supplanted.
    You don't realise how much Sinn Fein have morphed into Jezbollah with more shamrocks
    Then they'll be supplanted just as the Tories have been here.
    In the late nineties, they morphed from being anti-EU and anti-abortion, to being enthusiasts for both, and generally acting as the most left wing Irish party on social issues. Right wing Irish Republicans were willing to tolerate this, because of their support for unification. But, there are signs that the immigration issue could cost them much of their base, unless they're prepared to shift, which in turn, means losing the posh left wing vote.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,393
    Dura_Ace said:

    There is a very good article in the WaPo today about Trump's attempts to end the SMO for those of us who are either clever enough to edit the page source to get past the paywall or stupid enough to give Bezos more money.

    Basically... Witkoff is just a MAGA flying monkey who doesn't know what the fuck he is doing. Trump thinks he can sway Putin by the strength of their personal relationship. Russia's position hasn't change one iota since Istanbul 2022. Putin talked Trump out of applying harder sanctions in Alaska.

    That sounds plausible. Witkoff is a bufoon.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,506
    Cookie said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @MrEwanMorrison

    Say farewell to the AI bubble, and get ready for the crash.

    “The thought was that this growth would be exponential,” says Alex Hanna, a technology critic. Instead, Hanna says, “We’re hitting a wall.”

    https://x.com/MrEwanMorrison/status/1958672284883067273

    Interestingly (well, to me, anyway) the upper ceiling of AI may be close for physical reasons - it may be we are close to the point where chips can't be made any smaller and more efficient than they are.
    I'd have thought that even if that were the case we could still twist a lot more gains out of the software though.

    Also interestingly - at least two young people I know refuse to use it on principle.
    It's not the minimum size of the chips - you can just go sideways and used more GPUs. Physical limits on minimum chip feature size have been an issue for years, as well.

    It's that stacking in more GPUs beyond certain points is yielding minimal returns.

    It's quite common to have computational problems where exponential increases in the amount of processing yield linear (or less) improvements beyond various limits.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,613

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Its not Starmer's nightmare - if she was badly advised (legal team, police) then they are the ones that ought to answer.
    IIRC she had the duty solicitor, and the CPS wanted to throw the book at her.

    If only there was a former DPP in a prominent political position at the moment?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,606
    edited August 22
    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    https://theface.com/style/stone-island-badge-get-the-badge-in-menswear-fashion-style
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gethebadgein/
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,367
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Starmer’s next nightmare, it looks like she’s going to be talking.

    https://x.com/danwootton/status/1958850506144592039

    Allison Pearson, Lucy Connolly, Dan Wootton.

    Its not Starmer's nightmare - if she was badly advised (legal team, police) then they are the ones that ought to answer.
    IIRC she had the duty solicitor, and the CPS wanted to throw the book at her.

    If only there was a former DPP in a prominent political position at the moment?
    Have a read of this piece by Lord Sumption why she deserved prison time.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/05/26/lucy-connolly-prison-appeal-free-speech/
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,506
    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    https://theface.com/style/stone-island-badge-get-the-badge-in-menswear-fashion-style
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gethebadgein/
    And here I was thinking that it was an ad for a party organised by @Dura_Ace - hookers, blow, a sleepy leopard & NATO
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,388

    DoctorG said:

    Carnyx said:

    https://bsky.app/profile/ballotbox.scot

    Barrhead, Liboside and Uplawmoor (East Renfrewshire) by-election transfers, votes at final head-to-head stage (vs same pairing 2022):

    Labour: 2217 (48.8%, +8.8)
    SNP: 1431 (31.5%, -10.4)
    Didn't Transfer: 894 (19.7%, +1.6)

    [Full details on posting; Reform on 22% first pref but hard to know what to make of it all as the first runner in the constituency in the 2022 election was an Independent and I've no idea who was voting for him]

    One of the grittier East Ren seats I guess. Council website says the seat had been held by the late Cllr Betty Cunningham, who was 26 years as a councillor, she would have a decent personal vote. Mr Sarwar will be pleased with the result
    A very good result for Labour. Not many transfers from Reform. It looks like they are the NOTA party.
    Here’s the information regarding transfers of votes, for anyone interested.

    https://eastrenfrewshire.gov.uk/media/11763/Candidate-Votes-Per-Stage-Report/pdf/b78af608-1263-4d2a-90ca-a13f6c8044f9.pdf?m=1755865626153
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,435
    Dura_Ace said:

    There is a very good article in the WaPo today about Trump's attempts to end the SMO for those of us who are either clever enough to edit the page source to get past the paywall or stupid enough to give Bezos more money.

    Basically... Witkoff is just a MAGA flying monkey who doesn't know what the fuck he is doing. Trump thinks he can sway Putin by the strength of their personal relationship. Russia's position hasn't change one iota since Istanbul 2022. Putin talked Trump out of applying harder sanctions in Alaska.

    Isn't that pretty well what we've been saying for weeks now ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,367

    viewcode said:

    Cookie said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    This fleg is yet to be surpassed as the apogean symbol of Ingerlish culture.


    This is jolly. What are we meant to infer by 'badge'? And is 'bags' a celebration of crisps? I hope so. Worth celebrating, but rarely elevated to something in anyone's top four. Hull City fans particularly fond of doing a telf.
    https://theface.com/style/stone-island-badge-get-the-badge-in-menswear-fashion-style
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/gethebadgein/
    And here I was thinking that it was an ad for a party organised by @Dura_Ace - hookers, blow, a sleepy leopard & NATO
    Sounds like a typical night out for me out at university, except for the hookers, blow, and a sleepy leopard (tiger).

    Honestly second year at uni and the NATO intervention to stop genocide was all the rage, those were the days, especially as the SNP leader at the time was pro genocide.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,435
    edited August 22
    Sean_F said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    There is a very good article in the WaPo today about Trump's attempts to end the SMO for those of us who are either clever enough to edit the page source to get past the paywall or stupid enough to give Bezos more money.

    Basically... Witkoff is just a MAGA flying monkey who doesn't know what the fuck he is doing. Trump thinks he can sway Putin by the strength of their personal relationship. Russia's position hasn't change one iota since Istanbul 2022. Putin talked Trump out of applying harder sanctions in Alaska.

    That sounds plausible. Witkoff is a buffoon.
    Generous.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,385
    Diabetes smartphone test could diagnose condition in under 10 minutes
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/diabetes-health-check-smartphone-app-nhs-b2812419.html

    I did not expect that Foxy's job would be the first victim of AI.
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