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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,281
    Sandpit said:

    Cicero said:

    Sandpit said:

    Russian journalists complaining about being put up in temporary military accomodation in an arena in Alaska, because there were no hotel rooms for them. Their phones wouldn’t roam because of sanctions, they had one crappy wifi network between them, and most of their connections to sites such as WhatsApp and Telegram were blocked!

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1956310811921531149

    Oh dear. How sad. F**K off.
    The word "journalist" is doing a hell of a lot of work there.
    The look on “Putin’s” face when all the American “journalists” started shouting their questions over each other, was rather amusing.

    Ukranian social media is even more convinced that it was a fake Putin at the meeting, the mannerisms and inflections didn’t seem “right”. Reports that “Putin” gave his long history speech, had his photo taken, and got straight back on his plane cancelling the planned lunch, would also give credence to that theory. The fake “Putin” wouldn’t have the authority to actually agree anything.
    Does anyone have a clue which is the actual Putin and which the double (or doubles) ?

    Does Putin himself ?

    A bit like Charles Gray's Blofeld in Diamonds are Forever.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,755
    edited August 16
    Sandpit said:

    Cicero said:

    Sandpit said:

    Russian journalists complaining about being put up in temporary military accomodation in an arena in Alaska, because there were no hotel rooms for them. Their phones wouldn’t roam because of sanctions, they had one crappy wifi network between them, and most of their connections to sites such as WhatsApp and Telegram were blocked!

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1956310811921531149

    Oh dear. How sad. F**K off.
    The word "journalist" is doing a hell of a lot of work there.
    The look on “Putin’s” face when all the American “journalists” started shouting their questions over each other, was rather amusing.

    Ukranian social media is even more convinced that it was a fake Putin at the meeting, the mannerisms and inflections didn’t seem “right”. Reports that “Putin” gave his long history speech, had his photo taken, and got straight back on his plane cancelling the planned lunch, would also give credence to that theory. The fake “Putin” wouldn’t have the authority to actually agree anything.
    VVP has no "accent" when speaking Russian. I don't know how anybody could pass a judgement on inflections.

    There is relatively little regional and sociolectic variation in spoken Russian compared to other European languages.

    E2A: he does have an accent when speaking German, which is the only other language I've heard him speak. He is very good though to my inexpert in German ear.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,281
    Sandpit said:

    Roger said:

    The son of a friend who is moving up the greasy poll of computery recommended I buy shares in Cloudflare (NET) which I did. They've since gone up from around 80p to about £1.80 in less than a year so it sounds like they know what they're doing. So good choice!

    Cloudflare is one of those companies that no-one has heard of, but they run the backbone of most of the internet as we know it today. No-one knows of them because they’re business-to-business, as with Nvidia they’re the ones selling shovels in the Internet gold rush.

    Pretty much any website with a lot of video or spikes in load is going to be running Cloudflare, apart from Youtube, Amazon, and Facebook, who run their own content delivery networks.
    Everyone's heard of it, if only for the data breach.
    They just then forgot about it.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,501
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cicero said:

    Sandpit said:

    Russian journalists complaining about being put up in temporary military accomodation in an arena in Alaska, because there were no hotel rooms for them. Their phones wouldn’t roam because of sanctions, they had one crappy wifi network between them, and most of their connections to sites such as WhatsApp and Telegram were blocked!

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1956310811921531149

    Oh dear. How sad. F**K off.
    The word "journalist" is doing a hell of a lot of work there.
    The look on “Putin’s” face when all the American “journalists” started shouting their questions over each other, was rather amusing.

    Ukranian social media is even more convinced that it was a fake Putin at the meeting, the mannerisms and inflections didn’t seem “right”. Reports that “Putin” gave his long history speech, had his photo taken, and got straight back on his plane cancelling the planned lunch, would also give credence to that theory. The fake “Putin” wouldn’t have the authority to actually agree anything.
    Does anyone have a clue which is the actual Putin and which the double (or doubles) ?

    Does Putin himself ?

    A bit like Charles Gray's Blofeld in Diamonds are Forever.
    There’s said to be at least three or four of them, and plenty of sites giving plausible descriptions of the various characters. Apparently you can tell the real Putin by his neck. He’s also said to have been sick for some time and on a lot of medication, so as with Joe Biden can be quite different in manner from one day to the next. He’s also said to be totally paranoid about travelling by plane because of MANPADS, and often travels incognito in an armoured train carriage. There were a number of planes in the air yesterday without transponders on, and a suggestion that at least one of the planes took off closer to Vladivostok than Moscow. He’s also said to have a number of offices in different cities, fitted out identically and with no windows, so as to avoid giving away his precise location at any one time.

    All of the above could of course be total bollocks, or Ukranian propoganda, but it’s what out there.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,375
    I met murder on the way
    He wore a mask like Castlereagh.
    Very smooth he looked, yet grim
    And seven blood hounds followed him.

    Its the 206th anniversary of Peterloo today
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,427
    Dura_Ace said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cicero said:

    Sandpit said:

    Russian journalists complaining about being put up in temporary military accomodation in an arena in Alaska, because there were no hotel rooms for them. Their phones wouldn’t roam because of sanctions, they had one crappy wifi network between them, and most of their connections to sites such as WhatsApp and Telegram were blocked!

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1956310811921531149

    Oh dear. How sad. F**K off.
    The word "journalist" is doing a hell of a lot of work there.
    The look on “Putin’s” face when all the American “journalists” started shouting their questions over each other, was rather amusing.

    Ukranian social media is even more convinced that it was a fake Putin at the meeting, the mannerisms and inflections didn’t seem “right”. Reports that “Putin” gave his long history speech, had his photo taken, and got straight back on his plane cancelling the planned lunch, would also give credence to that theory. The fake “Putin” wouldn’t have the authority to actually agree anything.
    VVP has no "accent" when speaking Russian. I don't know how anybody could pass a judgement on inflections.

    There is relatively little regional and sociolectic variation in spoken Russian compared to other European languages.

    E2A: he does have an accent when speaking German, which is the only other language I've heard him speak. He is very good though to my inexpert in German ear.
    He is fluent in English too though obviously with a accent. Here's an example https://youtu.be/3K3johUezdg

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,281
    Will this swing back post Trump ?

    China is more popular than the US in most of the world
    https://x.com/Glenn_Diesen/status/1956263923008856410
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,691
    Nigelb said:

    .

    Phillips OBrien:

    "The weird thing is that some people are saying that this summit did not change anything."


    "...sanctions on Russia were nowhere to be found. Remember this whole summit seemed to come about because Trump was so angry with Russia and humiliated by Putin that he was going to hammer Russia with sanctions….which now seem basically permanently off the table."

    https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/putin-makes-no-concessions-but-trump?r=1tgexa&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

    No, there's another "maybe two or three weeks" non-deadline deadline.
    Putin's consistent position is "Give me what I want or I'll start a nuclear war". Sanctions ... today, tomorrow, sometime, never ... are a fleabite. He doesn't need to press the button if Trump can help him get there 'peacefully'. This is the Deal.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,866
    Sandpit said:

    Roger said:

    The son of a friend who is moving up the greasy poll of computery recommended I buy shares in Cloudflare (NET) which I did. They've since gone up from around 80p to about £1.80 in less than a year so it sounds like they know what they're doing. So good choice!

    Cloudflare is one of those companies that no-one has heard of, but they run the backbone of most of the internet as we know it today. No-one knows of them because they’re business-to-business, as with Nvidia they’re the ones selling shovels in the Internet gold rush.

    Pretty much any website with a lot of video or spikes in load is going to be running Cloudflare, apart from Youtube, Amazon, and Facebook, who run their own content delivery networks.
    I 've just looked again and they're now£2! They must have heard PB are joining..
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,324
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cicero said:

    Sandpit said:

    Russian journalists complaining about being put up in temporary military accomodation in an arena in Alaska, because there were no hotel rooms for them. Their phones wouldn’t roam because of sanctions, they had one crappy wifi network between them, and most of their connections to sites such as WhatsApp and Telegram were blocked!

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1956310811921531149

    Oh dear. How sad. F**K off.
    The word "journalist" is doing a hell of a lot of work there.
    The look on “Putin’s” face when all the American “journalists” started shouting their questions over each other, was rather amusing.

    Ukranian social media is even more convinced that it was a fake Putin at the meeting, the mannerisms and inflections didn’t seem “right”. Reports that “Putin” gave his long history speech, had his photo taken, and got straight back on his plane cancelling the planned lunch, would also give credence to that theory. The fake “Putin” wouldn’t have the authority to actually agree anything.
    Does anyone have a clue which is the actual Putin and which the double (or doubles) ?

    Does Putin himself ?

    A bit like Charles Gray's Blofeld in Diamonds are Forever.
    Maybe that's why Trump's senior aides were so alarmed. They'd worked out it wasn't Putin and the whole thing was just for the photos.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,641
    kinabalu said:

    Phillips OBrien:

    "The weird thing is that some people are saying that this summit did not change anything."


    "...sanctions on Russia were nowhere to be found. Remember this whole summit seemed to come about because Trump was so angry with Russia and humiliated by Putin that he was going to hammer Russia with sanctions….which now seem basically permanently off the table."


    https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/putin-makes-no-concessions-but-trump?r=1tgexa&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

    I think once the realisation that he’s been cucked by Putin pierces the orange fog, Trump will be looking for someone to take it out on. Pretty sure Zhelenski will be top of the list.
    I wonder if Trump was able to see into Putin's soul this time?
    Doubtful. The Devil keeps it in a lead-lined casket.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,375
    Nigelb said:

    Will this swing back post Trump ?

    China is more popular than the US in most of the world
    https://x.com/Glenn_Diesen/status/1956263923008856410

    The World becomes cucks for CommunIsm
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,281
    The shape of things to come...

    Unitree's robot set a new world record for the 1,500m run at the World Humanoid Robot Games in Beijing, completing it in just 6min34s (an average speed of 13.7 km/h, which is insane for a humanoid robot), despite this happening 👇
    https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1956431915898093578
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,501

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cicero said:

    Sandpit said:

    Russian journalists complaining about being put up in temporary military accomodation in an arena in Alaska, because there were no hotel rooms for them. Their phones wouldn’t roam because of sanctions, they had one crappy wifi network between them, and most of their connections to sites such as WhatsApp and Telegram were blocked!

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1956310811921531149

    Oh dear. How sad. F**K off.
    The word "journalist" is doing a hell of a lot of work there.
    The look on “Putin’s” face when all the American “journalists” started shouting their questions over each other, was rather amusing.

    Ukranian social media is even more convinced that it was a fake Putin at the meeting, the mannerisms and inflections didn’t seem “right”. Reports that “Putin” gave his long history speech, had his photo taken, and got straight back on his plane cancelling the planned lunch, would also give credence to that theory. The fake “Putin” wouldn’t have the authority to actually agree anything.
    Does anyone have a clue which is the actual Putin and which the double (or doubles) ?

    Does Putin himself ?

    A bit like Charles Gray's Blofeld in Diamonds are Forever.
    Maybe that's why Trump's senior aides were so alarmed. They'd worked out it wasn't Putin and the whole thing was just for the photos.
    If that’s what happened there’s going to be one absolutely furious Trump waking up in a few hours’ time, and would explain the cancelled meal and his returning straight back to Washington.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,641
    edited August 16
    Nigelb said:

    The shape of things to come...

    Unitree's robot set a new world record for the 1,500m run at the World Humanoid Robot Games in Beijing, completing it in just 6min34s (an average speed of 13.7 km/h, which is insane for a humanoid robot), despite this happening 👇
    https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1956431915898093578

    That was a blatant take-out....

    Must have some software developed by Boris Johnson.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,501
    Nigelb said:

    The shape of things to come...

    Unitree's robot set a new world record for the 1,500m run at the World Humanoid Robot Games in Beijing, completing it in just 6min34s (an average speed of 13.7 km/h, which is insane for a humanoid robot), despite this happening 👇
    https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1956431915898093578

    That’s barely half the speed of a human athlete, so the robots have a way to go yet - at middle-distance running anyway.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,501
    Discussions of the Putin clone.

    https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1956619247800713417
  • ScarpiaScarpia Posts: 79
    Sandpit said:

    Cicero said:

    Sandpit said:

    Russian journalists complaining about being put up in temporary military accomodation in an arena in Alaska, because there were no hotel rooms for them. Their phones wouldn’t roam because of sanctions, they had one crappy wifi network between them, and most of their connections to sites such as WhatsApp and Telegram were blocked!

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1956310811921531149

    Oh dear. How sad. F**K off.
    The word "journalist" is doing a hell of a lot of work there.
    The look on “Putin’s” face when all the American “journalists” started shouting their questions over each other, was rather amusing.

    Ukranian social media is even more convinced that it was a fake Putin at the meeting, the mannerisms and inflections didn’t seem “right”. Reports that “Putin” gave his long history speech, had his photo taken, and got straight back on his plane cancelling the planned lunch, would also give credence to that theory. The fake “Putin” wouldn’t have the authority to actually agree anything.
    The general_svr Xitter site has long claimed that the real VVP died a couple of years ago and has been kept frozen at his Black Sea palace, pending an opportune time for those in power to announce his death during a planned reorganisation in the general scheme of things.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,724
    A discursive piece by old c-word (contrarian) Peter Hitchens, sometimes eccentric but usually interesting. I hadn’t heard of the theory that Japan surrendered to stop Russia/USSR gobbling up more Japanese territory, quite convincing.

    https://x.com/clarkemicah/status/1956662486301614417?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,349
    Sandpit said:

    Roger said:

    The son of a friend who is moving up the greasy poll of computery recommended I buy shares in Cloudflare (NET) which I did. They've since gone up from around 80p to about £1.80 in less than a year so it sounds like they know what they're doing. So good choice!

    Cloudflare is one of those companies that no-one has heard of, but they run the backbone of most of the internet as we know it today. No-one knows of them because they’re business-to-business, as with Nvidia they’re the ones selling shovels in the Internet gold rush.

    Pretty much any website with a lot of video or spikes in load is going to be running Cloudflare, apart from Youtube, Amazon, and Facebook, who run their own content delivery networks.
    You need to be careful though. Akamai owned the CDN space ten years ago and now they are barely an afterthought.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,755
    edited August 16
    Of all the stupid fucking shit I've read over the years on here, and that includes kjh toying with the idea of buying a Panther Kallista, the idea that it was a VVP body double in Alaska is stupidest fuckingest shit of all.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,349
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cicero said:

    Sandpit said:

    Russian journalists complaining about being put up in temporary military accomodation in an arena in Alaska, because there were no hotel rooms for them. Their phones wouldn’t roam because of sanctions, they had one crappy wifi network between them, and most of their connections to sites such as WhatsApp and Telegram were blocked!

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1956310811921531149

    Oh dear. How sad. F**K off.
    The word "journalist" is doing a hell of a lot of work there.
    The look on “Putin’s” face when all the American “journalists” started shouting their questions over each other, was rather amusing.

    Ukranian social media is even more convinced that it was a fake Putin at the meeting, the mannerisms and inflections didn’t seem “right”. Reports that “Putin” gave his long history speech, had his photo taken, and got straight back on his plane cancelling the planned lunch, would also give credence to that theory. The fake “Putin” wouldn’t have the authority to actually agree anything.
    Does anyone have a clue which is the actual Putin and which the double (or doubles) ?

    Does Putin himself ?

    A bit like Charles Gray's Blofeld in Diamonds are Forever.
    You'd imagine CIA and FBI forensics teams would be crawling all over any surface touched by Putin (or ‘Putin’).
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,349

    A discursive piece by old c-word (contrarian) Peter Hitchens, sometimes eccentric but usually interesting. I hadn’t heard of the theory that Japan surrendered to stop Russia/USSR gobbling up more Japanese territory, quite convincing.

    https://x.com/clarkemicah/status/1956662486301614417?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Wrong link? (And funny that PH fudged the shift key to write WW" – we've all done it.)

    It has been well-known since about 1945 that one of the reasons the war ended was the Red Army poured over a million men freed from the European war into China towards Japan.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,349
    Speaking of the second world war:-

    Last surviving WW2 Victoria Cross recipient dies aged 105
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4d7j18v5qo
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,724
    Dura_Ace said:

    Of all the stupid fucking shit I've read over the years on here, and that includes kjh toying with the idea of buying a Panther Kallista, the idea that it was a VVP body double in Alaska is stupidest fuckingest shit of all.

    Surprised Putin’s still alive tbh, read on here loads of times that he was at death’s door.

    I imagine Vlad is loving all the body double patter, a fine addition to the disinformation armoury.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,365

    Dura_Ace said:

    Of all the stupid fucking shit I've read over the years on here, and that includes kjh toying with the idea of buying a Panther Kallista, the idea that it was a VVP body double in Alaska is stupidest fuckingest shit of all.

    Surprised Putin’s still alive tbh, read on here loads of times that he was at death’s door.

    I imagine Vlad is loving all the body double patter, a fine addition to the disinformation armoury.
    On a similar note I also read here the war would be over in a few months with Ukraine prevailing.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,501

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cicero said:

    Sandpit said:

    Russian journalists complaining about being put up in temporary military accomodation in an arena in Alaska, because there were no hotel rooms for them. Their phones wouldn’t roam because of sanctions, they had one crappy wifi network between them, and most of their connections to sites such as WhatsApp and Telegram were blocked!

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1956310811921531149

    Oh dear. How sad. F**K off.
    The word "journalist" is doing a hell of a lot of work there.
    The look on “Putin’s” face when all the American “journalists” started shouting their questions over each other, was rather amusing.

    Ukranian social media is even more convinced that it was a fake Putin at the meeting, the mannerisms and inflections didn’t seem “right”. Reports that “Putin” gave his long history speech, had his photo taken, and got straight back on his plane cancelling the planned lunch, would also give credence to that theory. The fake “Putin” wouldn’t have the authority to actually agree anything.
    Does anyone have a clue which is the actual Putin and which the double (or doubles) ?

    Does Putin himself ?

    A bit like Charles Gray's Blofeld in Diamonds are Forever.
    You'd imagine CIA and FBI forensics teams would be crawling all over any surface touched by Putin (or ‘Putin’).
    Ha, not difficult to imagine all the crazy spy games, with two teams of security guys not wanting to leave so much as a water glass behind for the other to pick up.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,724

    A discursive piece by old c-word (contrarian) Peter Hitchens, sometimes eccentric but usually interesting. I hadn’t heard of the theory that Japan surrendered to stop Russia/USSR gobbling up more Japanese territory, quite convincing.

    https://x.com/clarkemicah/status/1956662486301614417?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Wrong link? (And funny that PH fudged the shift key to write WW" – we've all done it.)

    It has been well-known since about 1945 that one of the reasons the war ended was the Red Army poured over a million men freed from the European war into China towards Japan.
    ‘Well-known’ is relative, all the BBC VJ jollifications seem to feature a queasy acceptance of the necessity of atom bombing Hiroshima & Nagasaki to end the war.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,120
    Afternoon all :)

    I wasn't too surprised the "summit" got nowhere except to confirm the very different US-Russia relationship under Trump.

    The current situation in the Ukraine works for a lot of people - obviously not the Russians and the Ukrainians doing the fighting and the dying but, pace 1984, endless war solidifies and legitimises incumbent regimes. Neither Putin nor Zelenskyy, whatever the hopes and fears of others, look any nearer removal then they did in 2022.

    Meanwhile, arms manufacturers, defence contractors and the military-industrial complex grow wise and fat on the sales of weapons and they have a whole new battleground to test their new hardware and (more important) software. They have also convinced millions of people and Governments Russia is some kind of military colossus and the only response is to spend millions more on their products to buy some notion of security and safety. Trump can take the defence cut, turn into a tax cut and make his friends in the aforementioned military-industrial complex even richer.

    That's power for you - if you can't help your friends and allies, what's the point? Even democracies are simply the will of some of the people to create a Government which ends up not to their benefit but to the benefit of others. It may be true of Starmer, it would be true of Farage but at least no one is under any illusions on that one.

    As for Ukraine, peace seems as elusive as it was in February 2022 - neither side can stop now, the leaders have far too much capital invested in the conflict. Zelenskyy wouldn't survive giving away a third of the country and Putin wouldn't survive an ignominous withdrawal (retreat) and as the continuing struggle re-enforces both in power, that's where we are. The rest of the world has learned to carry on with this in the background (ditto Gaza).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,575
    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Of all the stupid fucking shit I've read over the years on here, and that includes kjh toying with the idea of buying a Panther Kallista, the idea that it was a VVP body double in Alaska is stupidest fuckingest shit of all.

    Surprised Putin’s still alive tbh, read on here loads of times that he was at death’s door.

    I imagine Vlad is loving all the body double patter, a fine addition to the disinformation armoury.
    On a similar note I also read here the war would be over in a few months with Ukraine prevailing.
    Not happening but I suspect Kyiv are relieved Trump was unable to reach a deal with Putin
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,951

    A discursive piece by old c-word (contrarian) Peter Hitchens, sometimes eccentric but usually interesting. I hadn’t heard of the theory that Japan surrendered to stop Russia/USSR gobbling up more Japanese territory, quite convincing.

    https://x.com/clarkemicah/status/1956662486301614417?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    He's always worth reading, regardless of whether you agree with him or not.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,501

    Dura_Ace said:

    Of all the stupid fucking shit I've read over the years on here, and that includes kjh toying with the idea of buying a Panther Kallista, the idea that it was a VVP body double in Alaska is stupidest fuckingest shit of all.

    Surprised Putin’s still alive tbh, read on here loads of times that he was at death’s door.

    I imagine Vlad is loving all the body double patter, a fine addition to the disinformation armoury.
    Oh it’s quite possible that it’s all Russian disinformation over the past decade or more.

    FWIW my wife reckons yesterday’s Putin is younger and has less Botox on his face than the real one.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,251

    A discursive piece by old c-word (contrarian) Peter Hitchens, sometimes eccentric but usually interesting. I hadn’t heard of the theory that Japan surrendered to stop Russia/USSR gobbling up more Japanese territory, quite convincing.

    https://x.com/clarkemicah/status/1956662486301614417?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Wrong link? (And funny that PH fudged the shift key to write WW" – we've all done it.)

    It has been well-known since about 1945 that one of the reasons the war ended was the Red Army poured over a million men freed from the European war into China towards Japan.
    ‘Well-known’ is relative, all the BBC VJ jollifications seem to feature a queasy acceptance of the necessity of atom bombing Hiroshima & Nagasaki to end the war.
    Vaporisation of Japan Day?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,281
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    The shape of things to come...

    Unitree's robot set a new world record for the 1,500m run at the World Humanoid Robot Games in Beijing, completing it in just 6min34s (an average speed of 13.7 km/h, which is insane for a humanoid robot), despite this happening 👇
    https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1956431915898093578

    That’s barely half the speed of a human athlete, so the robots have a way to go yet - at middle-distance running anyway.
    That's the point of such competitions.
    Expect rapid gains.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,755
    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    I wasn't too surprised the "summit" got nowhere except to confirm the very different US-Russia relationship under Trump.

    The current situation in the Ukraine works for a lot of people - obviously not the Russians and the Ukrainians doing the fighting and the dying but, pace 1984, endless war solidifies and legitimises incumbent regimes. Neither Putin nor Zelenskyy, whatever the hopes and fears of others, look any nearer removal then they did in 2022.

    Meanwhile, arms manufacturers, defence contractors and the military-industrial complex grow wise and fat on the sales of weapons and they have a whole new battleground to test their new hardware and (more important) software. They have also convinced millions of people and Governments Russia is some kind of military colossus and the only response is to spend millions more on their products to buy some notion of security and safety. Trump can take the defence cut, turn into a tax cut and make his friends in the aforementioned military-industrial complex even richer.

    That's power for you - if you can't help your friends and allies, what's the point? Even democracies are simply the will of some of the people to create a Government which ends up not to their benefit but to the benefit of others. It may be true of Starmer, it would be true of Farage but at least no one is under any illusions on that one.

    As for Ukraine, peace seems as elusive as it was in February 2022 - neither side can stop now, the leaders have far too much capital invested in the conflict. Zelenskyy wouldn't survive giving away a third of the country and Putin wouldn't survive an ignominous withdrawal (retreat) and as the continuing struggle re-enforces both in power, that's where we are. The rest of the world has learned to carry on with this in the background (ditto Gaza).

    Decent summary.

    If anybody wants an English language and unmediated (by Ukraine or Russia) view of the SMO I recommend the Ukraine Foreign Legion subreddit. Some of the yarns on there will put you right off your Crunchy Nut Cornflakes.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,324
    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cicero said:

    Sandpit said:

    Russian journalists complaining about being put up in temporary military accomodation in an arena in Alaska, because there were no hotel rooms for them. Their phones wouldn’t roam because of sanctions, they had one crappy wifi network between them, and most of their connections to sites such as WhatsApp and Telegram were blocked!

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1956310811921531149

    Oh dear. How sad. F**K off.
    The word "journalist" is doing a hell of a lot of work there.
    The look on “Putin’s” face when all the American “journalists” started shouting their questions over each other, was rather amusing.

    Ukranian social media is even more convinced that it was a fake Putin at the meeting, the mannerisms and inflections didn’t seem “right”. Reports that “Putin” gave his long history speech, had his photo taken, and got straight back on his plane cancelling the planned lunch, would also give credence to that theory. The fake “Putin” wouldn’t have the authority to actually agree anything.
    Does anyone have a clue which is the actual Putin and which the double (or doubles) ?

    Does Putin himself ?

    A bit like Charles Gray's Blofeld in Diamonds are Forever.
    You'd imagine CIA and FBI forensics teams would be crawling all over any surface touched by Putin (or ‘Putin’).
    Ha, not difficult to imagine all the crazy spy games, with two teams of security guys not wanting to leave so much as a water glass behind for the other to pick up.
    Putin or at least the double, sat in the Beast. One of the reasons people don't think it was actually Putin. Fingerprints on the door handles or whatever?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,181
    edited August 16
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    The shape of things to come...

    Unitree's robot set a new world record for the 1,500m run at the World Humanoid Robot Games in Beijing, completing it in just 6min34s (an average speed of 13.7 km/h, which is insane for a humanoid robot), despite this happening 👇
    https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1956431915898093578

    That’s barely half the speed of a human athlete, so the robots have a way to go yet - at middle-distance running anyway.
    That's the point of such competitions.
    Expect rapid gains.
    Yes exactly

    Robotics is exploding. Partly because there are multiple companies - mainly in China and the USA - racing to make the trillions of dollars that will accrue, to the first firm to churn out a useful affordable speedy clever humanoid robot

    It is only a few years away now. Maybe just a year or two

    It might be the greatest most momentous consumer product of all time. Certainly comparable to the iPhone or Model T Ford. Perhaps much grander
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,951
    "National Trust closes Cornish beach voted one of world’s best

    Pedn Vounder has been roped off to the public over safety concerns on the access path and ‘dangerous’ rip currents" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/environment/article/national-trust-closes-cornish-beach-pedn-vounder-5zlb2krn9
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,120

    A discursive piece by old c-word (contrarian) Peter Hitchens, sometimes eccentric but usually interesting. I hadn’t heard of the theory that Japan surrendered to stop Russia/USSR gobbling up more Japanese territory, quite convincing.

    https://x.com/clarkemicah/status/1956662486301614417?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Wrong link? (And funny that PH fudged the shift key to write WW" – we've all done it.)

    It has been well-known since about 1945 that one of the reasons the war ended was the Red Army poured over a million men freed from the European war into China towards Japan.
    There are plenty of conflicting theories as to why the Japanese finally accepted the Potsdam Declaration. As you say, I don't think anyone in Tokyo expected the Kwantung Army to be brushed aside in three weeks and with them gone, Northern China and Korea looked certain to fall into the Soviet orbit.

    The Russians lacked a significant amphibious capability - they could cross rivers - and an invasion of Hokkaido wasn't likely even if they could island hop down the Kuriles and conquer the rest of Sakhalin reversing most if not all of the terms of the Treaty of Portsmouth.

    One could argue the Americans could have enabled a Soviet landing on Hokkaido and allowed the Russians to "enjoy" their share of a bloody land campaign in exchange for a share of Japan post war but Truman knew Stalin couldn't be trusted so Russia had to be kept out of Japan but defeating Imperial Japan in the Home Islands looked a brutal and bloody undertaking. The key was Hirohito - not what he did but the acceptance he would be preserved in some form which was far more than anything the Russians would offer.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,181
    Just think how a proper humanoid robot will change our lives

    All housework done

    Lots of outdoor work as well. Litter will disappear. Robots will go around at night picking it all up. If we make them big enough that’s an end to shoplifting - they will taser the fuckers on sight

    When you’re bored extraordinarily beautiful sex robots will come to your home and do the dishes naked
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,501
    edited August 16

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cicero said:

    Sandpit said:

    Russian journalists complaining about being put up in temporary military accomodation in an arena in Alaska, because there were no hotel rooms for them. Their phones wouldn’t roam because of sanctions, they had one crappy wifi network between them, and most of their connections to sites such as WhatsApp and Telegram were blocked!

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1956310811921531149

    Oh dear. How sad. F**K off.
    The word "journalist" is doing a hell of a lot of work there.
    The look on “Putin’s” face when all the American “journalists” started shouting their questions over each other, was rather amusing.

    Ukranian social media is even more convinced that it was a fake Putin at the meeting, the mannerisms and inflections didn’t seem “right”. Reports that “Putin” gave his long history speech, had his photo taken, and got straight back on his plane cancelling the planned lunch, would also give credence to that theory. The fake “Putin” wouldn’t have the authority to actually agree anything.
    Does anyone have a clue which is the actual Putin and which the double (or doubles) ?

    Does Putin himself ?

    A bit like Charles Gray's Blofeld in Diamonds are Forever.
    You'd imagine CIA and FBI forensics teams would be crawling all over any surface touched by Putin (or ‘Putin’).
    Ha, not difficult to imagine all the crazy spy games, with two teams of security guys not wanting to leave so much as a water glass behind for the other to pick up.
    Putin or at least the double, sat in the Beast. One of the reasons people don't think it was actually Putin. Fingerprints on the door handles or whatever?
    It’s not difficult to imagine the spooks rigging cameras, microphones, or surfaces in the car, to positively ID the man and pass a coded message to POTUS.

    Real Putin was a KGB guy, and will be well aware of spycraft and how to counter it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,281
    Leon said:

    Just think how a proper humanoid robot will change our lives

    All housework done

    Lots of outdoor work as well. Litter will disappear. Robots will go around at night picking it all up. If we make them big enough that’s an end to shoplifting - they will taser the fuckers on sight

    When you’re bored extraordinarily beautiful sex robots will come to your home and do the dishes naked

    I'm expecting the 100kg bot to run into you at 30kph...
  • kamskikamski Posts: 6,499
    Today Trump seems to have completely forgotten his demands for a ceasefire, and his threats of terrible consequences for Russia if they don't agree to one.

    For some reason the media don't seem keen to report these astonishing U-turns as astonishing U-turns, not sure why they are playing along with Trump who has become (at best) completely gaga.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,038
    edited August 16
    Dura_Ace said:

    Of all the stupid fucking shit I've read over the years on here, and that includes kjh toying with the idea of buying a Panther Kallista, the idea that it was a VVP body double in Alaska is stupidest fuckingest shit of all.

    @Dura_Ace - It got worse. I almost bought a Panther J72 as well. I was within a hairs breadth. We were within £1000 of agreeing on a price. I then bought the Cobra 427 replica instead. I think you were almost as dismissive of that, although mainly on safety grounds (it is never going out in the wet), rather than me doing a Noddy impersonation.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,373
    kamski said:

    Today Trump seems to have completely forgotten his demands for a ceasefire, and his threats of terrible consequences for Russia if they don't agree to one.

    For some reason the media don't seem keen to report these astonishing U-turns as astonishing U-turns, not sure why they are playing along with Trump who has become (at best) completely gaga.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/16/russia-jubilant-putin-alaska-summit-trump-ukraine

    "Russia’s reaction to Donald Trump’s summit with Vladimir Putin in Alaska has been nothing short of jubilant, with Moscow celebrating the fact that the Russian leader met his US counterpart without making concessions and now faces no sanctions despite rejecting Trump’s ceasefire demands."
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,641
    Dura_Ace said:

    Of all the stupid fucking shit I've read over the years on here, and that includes kjh toying with the idea of buying a Panther Kallista, the idea that it was a VVP body double in Alaska is stupidest fuckingest shit of all.

    Given his health issues, more likely to be a Trump body double.

    Although why anybody else would want a body like that...
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,038
    Leon said:

    Just think how a proper humanoid robot will change our lives

    All housework done

    Lots of outdoor work as well. Litter will disappear. Robots will go around at night picking it all up. If we make them big enough that’s an end to shoplifting - they will taser the fuckers on sight

    When you’re bored extraordinarily beautiful sex robots will come to your home and do the dishes naked

    Hmmm giving robots tasers. What could go wrong?
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,373
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Just think how a proper humanoid robot will change our lives

    All housework done

    Lots of outdoor work as well. Litter will disappear. Robots will go around at night picking it all up. If we make them big enough that’s an end to shoplifting - they will taser the fuckers on sight

    When you’re bored extraordinarily beautiful sex robots will come to your home and do the dishes naked

    Hmmm giving robots tasers. What could go wrong?
    I'll buy that for a dollar
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,210
    edited August 16
    kamski said:

    Today Trump seems to have completely forgotten his demands for a ceasefire, and his threats of terrible consequences for Russia if they don't agree to one.

    For some reason the media don't seem keen to report these astonishing U-turns as astonishing U-turns, not sure why they are playing along with Trump who has become (at best) completely gaga.

    The media approach to Trump switching which side the USA is on WRT Russia and European NATO may be a mixture of reasons: Not everyone is ready to believe it; western leaders are trying to slow it down or reverse it; we have no choice but to say we are part of the USA enterprise and vice versa because no other path has been worked out; the media have been told to go easy (this seems especially obvious of the BBC).

    Whether Trump is gaga I don't know but Trumpism is not gaga at all. At the moment it carries all before it. Though I can't see how its approach can last without it becoming undeniable, and therefore in danger, at some point. It does have some interesting internal contradictions.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,946
    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Of all the stupid fucking shit I've read over the years on here, and that includes kjh toying with the idea of buying a Panther Kallista, the idea that it was a VVP body double in Alaska is stupidest fuckingest shit of all.

    @Dura_Ace - It got worse. I almost bought a Panther J72 as well. I was within a hairs breadth. We were within £1000 of agreeing on a price. I then bought the Cobra 427 replica instead. I think you were almost as dismissive of that, although mainly on safety grounds (it is never going out in the wet), rather than me doing a Noddy impersonation.
    Could be worse Mathewson’s have a Morris Minor Traveller up for sale and Mrs Eek wants it
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,281

    A discursive piece by old c-word (contrarian) Peter Hitchens, sometimes eccentric but usually interesting. I hadn’t heard of the theory that Japan surrendered to stop Russia/USSR gobbling up more Japanese territory, quite convincing.

    https://x.com/clarkemicah/status/1956662486301614417?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Wrong link? (And funny that PH fudged the shift key to write WW" – we've all done it.)

    It has been well-known since about 1945 that one of the reasons the war ended was the Red Army poured over a million men freed from the European war into China towards Japan.
    ‘Well-known’ is relative, all the BBC VJ jollifications seem to feature a queasy acceptance of the necessity of atom bombing Hiroshima & Nagasaki to end the war.
    Vaporisation of Japan Day?
    That was a few days earlier.

    S Korea celebrates it as Liberation Day.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,795
    CatMan said:

    kamski said:

    Today Trump seems to have completely forgotten his demands for a ceasefire, and his threats of terrible consequences for Russia if they don't agree to one.

    For some reason the media don't seem keen to report these astonishing U-turns as astonishing U-turns, not sure why they are playing along with Trump who has become (at best) completely gaga.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/16/russia-jubilant-putin-alaska-summit-trump-ukraine

    "Russia’s reaction to Donald Trump’s summit with Vladimir Putin in Alaska has been nothing short of jubilant, with Moscow celebrating the fact that the Russian leader met his US counterpart without making concessions and now faces no sanctions despite rejecting Trump’s ceasefire demands."
    Trump hates it if you make it look like he lost face. Crowing about the summit seems like the worst possible thing the Russians could be doing at this point if they want to preserve the current outcome.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,345
    Nigelb said:

    A discursive piece by old c-word (contrarian) Peter Hitchens, sometimes eccentric but usually interesting. I hadn’t heard of the theory that Japan surrendered to stop Russia/USSR gobbling up more Japanese territory, quite convincing.

    https://x.com/clarkemicah/status/1956662486301614417?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Wrong link? (And funny that PH fudged the shift key to write WW" – we've all done it.)

    It has been well-known since about 1945 that one of the reasons the war ended was the Red Army poured over a million men freed from the European war into China towards Japan.
    ‘Well-known’ is relative, all the BBC VJ jollifications seem to feature a queasy acceptance of the necessity of atom bombing Hiroshima & Nagasaki to end the war.
    Vaporisation of Japan Day?
    That was a few days earlier.

    S Korea celebrates it as Liberation Day.
    Vapourisation.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,281
    Phil said:

    CatMan said:

    kamski said:

    Today Trump seems to have completely forgotten his demands for a ceasefire, and his threats of terrible consequences for Russia if they don't agree to one.

    For some reason the media don't seem keen to report these astonishing U-turns as astonishing U-turns, not sure why they are playing along with Trump who has become (at best) completely gaga.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/16/russia-jubilant-putin-alaska-summit-trump-ukraine

    "Russia’s reaction to Donald Trump’s summit with Vladimir Putin in Alaska has been nothing short of jubilant, with Moscow celebrating the fact that the Russian leader met his US counterpart without making concessions and now faces no sanctions despite rejecting Trump’s ceasefire demands."
    Trump hates it if you make it look like he lost face. Crowing about the summit seems like the worst possible thing the Russians could be doing at this point if they want to preserve the current outcome.
    Trump has a record of accepting such stuff from Russia when it would drive him nuts from others.
    Happens with China from time to time, too.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,181
    edited August 16
    Yes yes subsample alert but this is an absolutely astonishing statistic. Indeed it’s so astonishing I question it

    But it is from YouGov


    🚨NEW: Belief in God among 18-24 year-olds has tripled in 4 years

    2021: 16%
    2025: 45% (+29)

    [@YouGov]

    https://x.com/gbpolitcs/status/1956671810235183402?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    If this is true, what in God’s name is going on? Belief is also surging in 24-45 age brackets, tho not as explosively
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,885
    CatMan said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    Just think how a proper humanoid robot will change our lives

    All housework done

    Lots of outdoor work as well. Litter will disappear. Robots will go around at night picking it all up. If we make them big enough that’s an end to shoplifting - they will taser the fuckers on sight

    When you’re bored extraordinarily beautiful sex robots will come to your home and do the dishes naked

    Hmmm giving robots tasers. What could go wrong?
    I'll buy that for a dollar
    I'll pay 50 as long as I can station it at the DfE.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,755
    eek said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Of all the stupid fucking shit I've read over the years on here, and that includes kjh toying with the idea of buying a Panther Kallista, the idea that it was a VVP body double in Alaska is stupidest fuckingest shit of all.

    @Dura_Ace - It got worse. I almost bought a Panther J72 as well. I was within a hairs breadth. We were within £1000 of agreeing on a price. I then bought the Cobra 427 replica instead. I think you were almost as dismissive of that, although mainly on safety grounds (it is never going out in the wet), rather than me doing a Noddy impersonation.
    Could be worse Mathewson’s have a Morris Minor Traveller up for sale and Mrs Eek wants it
    You have to completely rebuild the fucking things every 10-15 years. Total garbage. Watch the Cambrian Classics videos on replacing the timber bits then do anything else with your money.

    They are also really slow, dangerous, uncomfortable and unreliable.

    Apart from all that, great fucking motors.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,501
    Leon said:

    Yes yes subsample alert but this is an absolutely astonishing statistic. Indeed it’s so astonishing I question it

    But it is from YouGov


    🚨NEW: Belief in God among 18-24 year-olds has tripled in 4 years

    2021: 16%
    2025: 45% (+29)

    [@YouGov]

    https://x.com/gbpolitcs/status/1956671810235183402?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    If this is true, what in God’s name is going on? Belief is also surging in 24-45 age brackets, tho not as explosively

    Were you not going on about loads of religious young immigrants yesterday?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,885
    Nigelb said:

    Will this swing back post Trump ?

    China is more popular than the US in most of the world
    https://x.com/Glenn_Diesen/status/1956263923008856410

    Which is crazy, because unless you are actually both stupid and pig ignorant (looks hard at a certain advertising executive) whatever the shortcomings of Trump's America and Trump himself, China and Xi are a hundred times worse. Trump has tried to rig multiple elections and had thousands of non-white people kidnapped but he has not had his predecessor arrested or set out to murder 80 million people. He has made stupid remarks about Canada, Greenland and Mexico but he hasn't actually threatened to invade them or had the US Navy attack their ships. He has run businesses through graft and fraud but he hasn't yet managed to do that to the whole US economy.

    China are not even, despite what is claimed, more predictable. Trying to tie China or a Chinese firm down to anything concrete is an absolute nightmare and even when you do they very often just break their word. Very like Trump, in fact.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,501
    Phil said:

    CatMan said:

    kamski said:

    Today Trump seems to have completely forgotten his demands for a ceasefire, and his threats of terrible consequences for Russia if they don't agree to one.

    For some reason the media don't seem keen to report these astonishing U-turns as astonishing U-turns, not sure why they are playing along with Trump who has become (at best) completely gaga.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/16/russia-jubilant-putin-alaska-summit-trump-ukraine

    "Russia’s reaction to Donald Trump’s summit with Vladimir Putin in Alaska has been nothing short of jubilant, with Moscow celebrating the fact that the Russian leader met his US counterpart without making concessions and now faces no sanctions despite rejecting Trump’s ceasefire demands."
    Trump hates it if you make it look like he lost face. Crowing about the summit seems like the worst possible thing the Russians could be doing at this point if they want to preserve the current outcome.
    It’s 08:30 in Washington, I guess we’re about to find out Trump’s mood.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,281
    Dura_Ace said:

    eek said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Of all the stupid fucking shit I've read over the years on here, and that includes kjh toying with the idea of buying a Panther Kallista, the idea that it was a VVP body double in Alaska is stupidest fuckingest shit of all.

    @Dura_Ace - It got worse. I almost bought a Panther J72 as well. I was within a hairs breadth. We were within £1000 of agreeing on a price. I then bought the Cobra 427 replica instead. I think you were almost as dismissive of that, although mainly on safety grounds (it is never going out in the wet), rather than me doing a Noddy impersonation.
    Could be worse Mathewson’s have a Morris Minor Traveller up for sale and Mrs Eek wants it
    You have to completely rebuild the fucking things every 10-15 years. Total garbage. Watch the Cambrian Classics videos on replacing the timber bits then do anything else with your money.

    They are also really slow, dangerous, uncomfortable and unreliable.

    Apart from all that, great fucking motors.
    My mum
    Had one when I was a kid. The flip out turn indicators were great.
    Got rid before it fell apart. for some Vauxhall shitbox which fell apart even more quickly.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,181
    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Yes yes subsample alert but this is an absolutely astonishing statistic. Indeed it’s so astonishing I question it

    But it is from YouGov


    🚨NEW: Belief in God among 18-24 year-olds has tripled in 4 years

    2021: 16%
    2025: 45% (+29)

    [@YouGov]

    https://x.com/gbpolitcs/status/1956671810235183402?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    If this is true, what in God’s name is going on? Belief is also surging in 24-45 age brackets, tho not as explosively

    Were you not going on about loads of religious young immigrants yesterday?
    Muslims have not gone from 16% to 45% of the young British population in 4 years
  • eekeek Posts: 30,946
    Dura_Ace said:

    eek said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Of all the stupid fucking shit I've read over the years on here, and that includes kjh toying with the idea of buying a Panther Kallista, the idea that it was a VVP body double in Alaska is stupidest fuckingest shit of all.

    @Dura_Ace - It got worse. I almost bought a Panther J72 as well. I was within a hairs breadth. We were within £1000 of agreeing on a price. I then bought the Cobra 427 replica instead. I think you were almost as dismissive of that, although mainly on safety grounds (it is never going out in the wet), rather than me doing a Noddy impersonation.
    Could be worse Mathewson’s have a Morris Minor Traveller up for sale and Mrs Eek wants it
    You have to completely rebuild the fucking things every 10-15 years. Total garbage. Watch the Cambrian Classics videos on replacing the timber bits then do anything else with your money.

    They are also really slow, dangerous, uncomfortable and unreliable.

    Apart from all that, great fucking motors.
    Tell me something I don't already know - the last thing I want is a classic car but my wife has no taste or concept of money pits...
  • kjhkjh Posts: 13,038
    Dura_Ace said:

    eek said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Of all the stupid fucking shit I've read over the years on here, and that includes kjh toying with the idea of buying a Panther Kallista, the idea that it was a VVP body double in Alaska is stupidest fuckingest shit of all.

    @Dura_Ace - It got worse. I almost bought a Panther J72 as well. I was within a hairs breadth. We were within £1000 of agreeing on a price. I then bought the Cobra 427 replica instead. I think you were almost as dismissive of that, although mainly on safety grounds (it is never going out in the wet), rather than me doing a Noddy impersonation.
    Could be worse Mathewson’s have a Morris Minor Traveller up for sale and Mrs Eek wants it
    You have to completely rebuild the fucking things every 10-15 years. Total garbage. Watch the Cambrian Classics videos on replacing the timber bits then do anything else with your money.

    They are also really slow, dangerous, uncomfortable and unreliable.

    Apart from all that, great fucking motors.
    I bought my first car in 1974. Had £100 to spend. I bought an Austin A40 for £80. Water poured in through the windscreen, so much so that I had to take the rubber bung out of the floor. I had to start it with a starting handle. Both headlights fell out. Remould tyres and brakes that had to be pumped. It was a great car though. At the time you could splash out on a knackered Morris Minor as well and they sold at a premium of about £120. They tended to have only a carpet or bit of wood as the floor on the drivers side.

    A magnet was your friend in those days, but it rarely stuck to any bodywork.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,641
    Leon said:

    Yes yes subsample alert but this is an absolutely astonishing statistic. Indeed it’s so astonishing I question it

    But it is from YouGov


    🚨NEW: Belief in God among 18-24 year-olds has tripled in 4 years

    2021: 16%
    2025: 45% (+29)

    [@YouGov]

    https://x.com/gbpolitcs/status/1956671810235183402?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    If this is true, what in God’s name is going on? Belief is also surging in 24-45 age brackets, tho not as explosively

    Well, there was a time when the youth would put their hopes in politicians.

    Then came Boris, Truss, Sunak, Starmer.

    They may as well try a non-existant thing when the existant things have fucked their hopes over...
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,409
    edited August 16
    Leon said:

    Yes yes subsample alert but this is an absolutely astonishing statistic. Indeed it’s so astonishing I question it

    But it is from YouGov


    🚨NEW: Belief in God among 18-24 year-olds has tripled in 4 years

    2021: 16%
    2025: 45% (+29)

    [@YouGov]

    https://x.com/gbpolitcs/status/1956671810235183402?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    If this is true, what in God’s name is going on? Belief is also surging in 24-45 age brackets, tho not as explosively

    "For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me."
    Or the "f off home scrounger" type?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,501
    eek said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    eek said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Of all the stupid fucking shit I've read over the years on here, and that includes kjh toying with the idea of buying a Panther Kallista, the idea that it was a VVP body double in Alaska is stupidest fuckingest shit of all.

    @Dura_Ace - It got worse. I almost bought a Panther J72 as well. I was within a hairs breadth. We were within £1000 of agreeing on a price. I then bought the Cobra 427 replica instead. I think you were almost as dismissive of that, although mainly on safety grounds (it is never going out in the wet), rather than me doing a Noddy impersonation.
    Could be worse Mathewson’s have a Morris Minor Traveller up for sale and Mrs Eek wants it
    You have to completely rebuild the fucking things every 10-15 years. Total garbage. Watch the Cambrian Classics videos on replacing the timber bits then do anything else with your money.

    They are also really slow, dangerous, uncomfortable and unreliable.

    Apart from all that, great fucking motors.
    Tell me something I don't already know - the last thing I want is a classic car but my wife has no taste or concept of money pits...
    Pretty much any classic car that’s not been properly rebuilt or preferably restomodded, will be an unreliable money pit.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,641
    eek said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    eek said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Of all the stupid fucking shit I've read over the years on here, and that includes kjh toying with the idea of buying a Panther Kallista, the idea that it was a VVP body double in Alaska is stupidest fuckingest shit of all.

    @Dura_Ace - It got worse. I almost bought a Panther J72 as well. I was within a hairs breadth. We were within £1000 of agreeing on a price. I then bought the Cobra 427 replica instead. I think you were almost as dismissive of that, although mainly on safety grounds (it is never going out in the wet), rather than me doing a Noddy impersonation.
    Could be worse Mathewson’s have a Morris Minor Traveller up for sale and Mrs Eek wants it
    You have to completely rebuild the fucking things every 10-15 years. Total garbage. Watch the Cambrian Classics videos on replacing the timber bits then do anything else with your money.

    They are also really slow, dangerous, uncomfortable and unreliable.

    Apart from all that, great fucking motors.
    Tell me something I don't already know - the last thing I want is a classic car but my wife has no taste or concept of money pits...
    Tell her you are getting a mistress instead. It will prove to be cheaper and less painful...
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,251

    Nigelb said:

    A discursive piece by old c-word (contrarian) Peter Hitchens, sometimes eccentric but usually interesting. I hadn’t heard of the theory that Japan surrendered to stop Russia/USSR gobbling up more Japanese territory, quite convincing.

    https://x.com/clarkemicah/status/1956662486301614417?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Wrong link? (And funny that PH fudged the shift key to write WW" – we've all done it.)

    It has been well-known since about 1945 that one of the reasons the war ended was the Red Army poured over a million men freed from the European war into China towards Japan.
    ‘Well-known’ is relative, all the BBC VJ jollifications seem to feature a queasy acceptance of the necessity of atom bombing Hiroshima & Nagasaki to end the war.
    Vaporisation of Japan Day?
    That was a few days earlier.

    S Korea celebrates it as Liberation Day.
    Vapourisation.
    With an "s" and without a "u" is standard British English.

    To be pedantic, the effect of an atomic bomb is better described as the sublimation of whatever is on the ground, i.e., the direct change of state from solid to vapour.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,251
    Leon said:

    Yes yes subsample alert but this is an absolutely astonishing statistic. Indeed it’s so astonishing I question it

    But it is from YouGov


    🚨NEW: Belief in God among 18-24 year-olds has tripled in 4 years

    2021: 16%
    2025: 45% (+29)

    [@YouGov]

    https://x.com/gbpolitcs/status/1956671810235183402?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    If this is true, what in God’s name is going on? Belief is also surging in 24-45 age brackets, tho not as explosively

    Covid induced brain damage.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,181

    Leon said:

    Yes yes subsample alert but this is an absolutely astonishing statistic. Indeed it’s so astonishing I question it

    But it is from YouGov


    🚨NEW: Belief in God among 18-24 year-olds has tripled in 4 years

    2021: 16%
    2025: 45% (+29)

    [@YouGov]

    https://x.com/gbpolitcs/status/1956671810235183402?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    If this is true, what in God’s name is going on? Belief is also surging in 24-45 age brackets, tho not as explosively

    Well, there was a time when the youth would put their hopes in politicians.

    Then came Boris, Truss, Sunak, Starmer.

    They may as well try a non-existant thing when the existant things have fucked their hopes over...
    That’s got to be a factor. Pervasiveness hopelessness breeds a desperate hunger for hope
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,885

    eek said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    eek said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Of all the stupid fucking shit I've read over the years on here, and that includes kjh toying with the idea of buying a Panther Kallista, the idea that it was a VVP body double in Alaska is stupidest fuckingest shit of all.

    @Dura_Ace - It got worse. I almost bought a Panther J72 as well. I was within a hairs breadth. We were within £1000 of agreeing on a price. I then bought the Cobra 427 replica instead. I think you were almost as dismissive of that, although mainly on safety grounds (it is never going out in the wet), rather than me doing a Noddy impersonation.
    Could be worse Mathewson’s have a Morris Minor Traveller up for sale and Mrs Eek wants it
    You have to completely rebuild the fucking things every 10-15 years. Total garbage. Watch the Cambrian Classics videos on replacing the timber bits then do anything else with your money.

    They are also really slow, dangerous, uncomfortable and unreliable.

    Apart from all that, great fucking motors.
    Tell me something I don't already know - the last thing I want is a classic car but my wife has no taste or concept of money pits...
    Tell her you are getting a mistress instead. It will prove to be cheaper and less painful...
    Wouldn't the Morris Minor help with that given according to @Dura_Ace it's a 'great fucking motor?'
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,181
    A revival of muscular Christianity - the church of the Templars, of Arthur and Lancelot, of Milton and Newman - is exactly what Britain needs. It is the necessary first step to regaining our cultural self confidence
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,838
    Sandpit said:

    Phil said:

    CatMan said:

    kamski said:

    Today Trump seems to have completely forgotten his demands for a ceasefire, and his threats of terrible consequences for Russia if they don't agree to one.

    For some reason the media don't seem keen to report these astonishing U-turns as astonishing U-turns, not sure why they are playing along with Trump who has become (at best) completely gaga.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/16/russia-jubilant-putin-alaska-summit-trump-ukraine

    "Russia’s reaction to Donald Trump’s summit with Vladimir Putin in Alaska has been nothing short of jubilant, with Moscow celebrating the fact that the Russian leader met his US counterpart without making concessions and now faces no sanctions despite rejecting Trump’s ceasefire demands."
    Trump hates it if you make it look like he lost face. Crowing about the summit seems like the worst possible thing the Russians could be doing at this point if they want to preserve the current outcome.
    It’s 08:30 in Washington, I guess we’re about to find out Trump’s mood.
    Perhaps he'll demand a summit with the real Putin.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,610
    edited August 16

    Leon said:

    Yes yes subsample alert but this is an absolutely astonishing statistic. Indeed it’s so astonishing I question it

    But it is from YouGov


    🚨NEW: Belief in God among 18-24 year-olds has tripled in 4 years

    2021: 16%
    2025: 45% (+29)

    [@YouGov]

    https://x.com/gbpolitcs/status/1956671810235183402?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    If this is true, what in God’s name is going on? Belief is also surging in 24-45 age brackets, tho not as explosively

    Well, there was a time when the youth would put their hopes in politicians.

    Then came Boris, Truss, Sunak, Starmer.

    They may as well try a non-existant thing when the existant things have fucked their hopes over...
    Since higher levels of religious belief in societies correlate strongly with greater chance of premature death, and greater inequality, it’s hard to see the trend (if indeed it’s there; aren’t we not supposed to post about small subsamples?) as a positive development.

    When Brits are asks how important religious belief is to them, those indicating that it is are always in a significant minority. Thats probably a better guide, since it indicates how many people let such beliefs influence their lifestyle, rather than just clicking on ‘yes’ and going straight back to the sex, drugs and rock and roll. Or whatever it is the young now do instead.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,300
    edited August 16
    I see our low IQ pollsters are getting overexcited based on a subsamples as low as 122 of 18 to 24 year olds.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,715
    Leon said:

    A revival of muscular Christianity - the church of the Templars, of Arthur and Lancelot, of Milton and Newman - is exactly what Britain needs. It is the necessary first step to regaining our cultural self confidence

    Well a broken and contrite heart the Lord will not despise.

    Which of the deadly sins are you going to repent of first? Pride? Wrath? Lust? Greed? Gluttony? Envy or Sloth?

    Hypocrisy is not one if the big ones but we should still try and avoid it if we can.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,715
    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Yes yes subsample alert but this is an absolutely astonishing statistic. Indeed it’s so astonishing I question it

    But it is from YouGov


    🚨NEW: Belief in God among 18-24 year-olds has tripled in 4 years

    2021: 16%
    2025: 45% (+29)

    [@YouGov]

    https://x.com/gbpolitcs/status/1956671810235183402?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    If this is true, what in God’s name is going on? Belief is also surging in 24-45 age brackets, tho not as explosively

    Were you not going on about loads of religious young immigrants yesterday?
    Muslims have not gone from 16% to 45% of the young British population in 4 years
    No they haven't. Go and have a lie down.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,650

    Nigelb said:

    Will this swing back post Trump ?

    China is more popular than the US in most of the world
    https://x.com/Glenn_Diesen/status/1956263923008856410

    The World becomes cucks for CommunIsm
    Because capitalism gave us Trump?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,609

    Sandpit said:

    Roger said:

    The son of a friend who is moving up the greasy poll of computery recommended I buy shares in Cloudflare (NET) which I did. They've since gone up from around 80p to about £1.80 in less than a year so it sounds like they know what they're doing. So good choice!

    Cloudflare is one of those companies that no-one has heard of, but they run the backbone of most of the internet as we know it today. No-one knows of them because they’re business-to-business, as with Nvidia they’re the ones selling shovels in the Internet gold rush.

    Pretty much any website with a lot of video or spikes in load is going to be running Cloudflare, apart from Youtube, Amazon, and Facebook, who run their own content delivery networks.
    You need to be careful though. Akamai owned the CDN space ten years ago and now they are barely an afterthought.
    Comcast were looking into building one for their own network at one time. Not sure how far they got with it
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,715

    Sandpit said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Cicero said:

    Sandpit said:

    Russian journalists complaining about being put up in temporary military accomodation in an arena in Alaska, because there were no hotel rooms for them. Their phones wouldn’t roam because of sanctions, they had one crappy wifi network between them, and most of their connections to sites such as WhatsApp and Telegram were blocked!

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/1956310811921531149

    Oh dear. How sad. F**K off.
    The word "journalist" is doing a hell of a lot of work there.
    The look on “Putin’s” face when all the American “journalists” started shouting their questions over each other, was rather amusing.

    Ukranian social media is even more convinced that it was a fake Putin at the meeting, the mannerisms and inflections didn’t seem “right”. Reports that “Putin” gave his long history speech, had his photo taken, and got straight back on his plane cancelling the planned lunch, would also give credence to that theory. The fake “Putin” wouldn’t have the authority to actually agree anything.
    Does anyone have a clue which is the actual Putin and which the double (or doubles) ?

    Does Putin himself ?

    A bit like Charles Gray's Blofeld in Diamonds are Forever.
    You'd imagine CIA and FBI forensics teams would be crawling all over any surface touched by Putin (or ‘Putin’).
    Ha, not difficult to imagine all the crazy spy games, with two teams of security guys not wanting to leave so much as a water glass behind for the other to pick up.
    Putin or at least the double, sat in the Beast. One of the reasons people don't think it was actually Putin. Fingerprints on the door handles or whatever?
    Might explain why the meeting was cut short and Lavrov did most of the talking.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,951
    "A talk on regime change

    Going: Kemi, Reeves, McSweeney then Rayner replaces Starmer? National Security Secretariat briefs No10 about imminent ethnic violence (and, not reported yet, financial crisis)

    Dominic Cummings"

    https://dominiccummings.substack.com/p/a-talk-on-regime-change
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,181
    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    Sandpit said:

    Leon said:

    Yes yes subsample alert but this is an absolutely astonishing statistic. Indeed it’s so astonishing I question it

    But it is from YouGov


    🚨NEW: Belief in God among 18-24 year-olds has tripled in 4 years

    2021: 16%
    2025: 45% (+29)

    [@YouGov]

    https://x.com/gbpolitcs/status/1956671810235183402?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw


    If this is true, what in God’s name is going on? Belief is also surging in 24-45 age brackets, tho not as explosively

    Were you not going on about loads of religious young immigrants yesterday?
    Muslims have not gone from 16% to 45% of the young British population in 4 years
    No they haven't. Go and have a lie down.
    You could try reading

    I said: Muslims have NOT gone from 16% to 45%

    See. Go see. I wrote that. In the comment to which you responded, you dimwit
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,501
    Scott_xP said:

    Sandpit said:

    Roger said:

    The son of a friend who is moving up the greasy poll of computery recommended I buy shares in Cloudflare (NET) which I did. They've since gone up from around 80p to about £1.80 in less than a year so it sounds like they know what they're doing. So good choice!

    Cloudflare is one of those companies that no-one has heard of, but they run the backbone of most of the internet as we know it today. No-one knows of them because they’re business-to-business, as with Nvidia they’re the ones selling shovels in the Internet gold rush.

    Pretty much any website with a lot of video or spikes in load is going to be running Cloudflare, apart from Youtube, Amazon, and Facebook, who run their own content delivery networks.
    You need to be careful though. Akamai owned the CDN space ten years ago and now they are barely an afterthought.
    Comcast were looking into building one for their own network at one time. Not sure how far they got with it
    Some of us are old enough to remember BT and Phorm, who had the mad idea that your ISP would serve ads on webpages via their own CDN. Thankfully that one went nowhere.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,181

    I see our low IQ pollsters are getting overexcited based on a subsamples as low as 122 of 18 to 24 year olds.

    Belief has also surged in older people, just not as much


    “Among 25-49-year-olds, belief has risen more modestly, from 21 per cent to 33 per cent over the same period

    Which is still an incredible rise

    That said, this poll repeats the dubious assertion about a massive rise in churchgoing - which has been plausibly questioned by many

    So 🤷🏼‍♂️
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,552

    A discursive piece by old c-word (contrarian) Peter Hitchens, sometimes eccentric but usually interesting. I hadn’t heard of the theory that Japan surrendered to stop Russia/USSR gobbling up more Japanese territory, quite convincing.

    https://x.com/clarkemicah/status/1956662486301614417?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    The Russian invasion of Japan is a frequently-given reason for Japan ending the war, especially amongst the anti-nuke people.

    IMV, and IANAE etc etc, the reason they capitulated was *everything* they faced. Japan was facing obliteration in several different ways: from a Soviet invasion; an American/allied invasion; firebombing of its cities and industry, the effective loss of China and Korea (because of sea blockade) and finally, the new weapon. The emperor and the army could probably believe they could withstand and fight off one or two of these; but all of them, at once?

    And even then, there were many who still thought it was the wrong thing to do. Hence the attempted coup and the Kyojo incident.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,552
    If Putin is really using doubles - and it's certainly possible, and some of the photos/videos allegedly taken on the same day do seem weird - then how many?

    And is the real Putin actually still alive?

    (Takes off his tinfoil hat.)
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,115

    A discursive piece by old c-word (contrarian) Peter Hitchens, sometimes eccentric but usually interesting. I hadn’t heard of the theory that Japan surrendered to stop Russia/USSR gobbling up more Japanese territory, quite convincing.

    https://x.com/clarkemicah/status/1956662486301614417?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    The Russian invasion of Japan is a frequently-given reason for Japan ending the war, especially amongst the anti-nuke people.

    IMV, and IANAE etc etc, the reason they capitulated was *everything* they faced. Japan was facing obliteration in several different ways: from a Soviet invasion; an American/allied invasion; firebombing of its cities and industry, the effective loss of China and Korea (because of sea blockade) and finally, the new weapon. The emperor and the army could probably believe they could withstand and fight off one or two of these; but all of them, at once?

    And even then, there were many who still thought it was the wrong thing to do. Hence the attempted coup and the Kyojo incident.
    Plus starvation.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,365
    Andy_JS said:

    "A talk on regime change

    Going: Kemi, Reeves, McSweeney then Rayner replaces Starmer? National Security Secretariat briefs No10 about imminent ethnic violence (and, not reported yet, financial crisis)

    Dominic Cummings"

    https://dominiccummings.substack.com/p/a-talk-on-regime-change

    I don’t doubt he’s well connected but any of us, here, could predict that and have been doing so for a while.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,115
    The UK's largest bioethanol plant will begin closing down operations on Monday, after the government decided not to offer the sector a rescue package.

    Hull-based Vivergo Fuels, owned by Associated British Foods, told the BBC the first redundancies would take effect on Tuesday.

    AB Foods and Ensus, which owns the UK's second large bioethanol plant in Redcar on Teesside, had both previously warned that without government support they would be forced to close, after a deal to allow US ethanol to be imported tariff-free.

    The government said it had worked closely with the companies since June, but had decided it was not "in the national interest" to provide them with taxpayer funds.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c24zlel2y5yo

    Labour governments always deindustrialise Britain.

    Labour governments always increase unemployment.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,620
    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    eek said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Of all the stupid fucking shit I've read over the years on here, and that includes kjh toying with the idea of buying a Panther Kallista, the idea that it was a VVP body double in Alaska is stupidest fuckingest shit of all.

    @Dura_Ace - It got worse. I almost bought a Panther J72 as well. I was within a hairs breadth. We were within £1000 of agreeing on a price. I then bought the Cobra 427 replica instead. I think you were almost as dismissive of that, although mainly on safety grounds (it is never going out in the wet), rather than me doing a Noddy impersonation.
    Could be worse Mathewson’s have a Morris Minor Traveller up for sale and Mrs Eek wants it
    You have to completely rebuild the fucking things every 10-15 years. Total garbage. Watch the Cambrian Classics videos on replacing the timber bits then do anything else with your money.

    They are also really slow, dangerous, uncomfortable and unreliable.

    Apart from all that, great fucking motors.
    Tell me something I don't already know - the last thing I want is a classic car but my wife has no taste or concept of money pits...
    Tell her you are getting a mistress instead. It will prove to be cheaper and less painful...
    Wouldn't the Morris Minor help with that given according to @Dura_Ace it's a 'great fucking motor?'
    For that purpose you are better with the MM Traveller, and an old mattress in the back, a classic passion wagon.

  • eekeek Posts: 30,946
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    eek said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Of all the stupid fucking shit I've read over the years on here, and that includes kjh toying with the idea of buying a Panther Kallista, the idea that it was a VVP body double in Alaska is stupidest fuckingest shit of all.

    @Dura_Ace - It got worse. I almost bought a Panther J72 as well. I was within a hairs breadth. We were within £1000 of agreeing on a price. I then bought the Cobra 427 replica instead. I think you were almost as dismissive of that, although mainly on safety grounds (it is never going out in the wet), rather than me doing a Noddy impersonation.
    Could be worse Mathewson’s have a Morris Minor Traveller up for sale and Mrs Eek wants it
    You have to completely rebuild the fucking things every 10-15 years. Total garbage. Watch the Cambrian Classics videos on replacing the timber bits then do anything else with your money.

    They are also really slow, dangerous, uncomfortable and unreliable.

    Apart from all that, great fucking motors.
    Tell me something I don't already know - the last thing I want is a classic car but my wife has no taste or concept of money pits...
    Tell her you are getting a mistress instead. It will prove to be cheaper and less painful...
    Wouldn't the Morris Minor help with that given according to @Dura_Ace it's a 'great fucking motor?'
    For that purpose you are better with the MM Traveller, and an old mattress in the back, a classic passion wagon.

    It is a traveller and no - definitely not a plan.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,200
    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    A revival of muscular Christianity - the church of the Templars, of Arthur and Lancelot, of Milton and Newman - is exactly what Britain needs. It is the necessary first step to regaining our cultural self confidence

    Well a broken and contrite heart the Lord will not despise.

    Which of the deadly sins are you going to repent of first? Pride? Wrath? Lust? Greed? Gluttony? Envy or Sloth?

    Hypocrisy is not one if the big ones but we should still try and avoid it if we can.
    Is someone going to explain to Leon what the phrase means?

    Clue: Tom Brown's schooldays, with mens sana in corpore sano.

    (Enjoy the cold showers.)
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,445
    Leon said:

    I see our low IQ pollsters are getting overexcited based on a subsamples as low as 122 of 18 to 24 year olds.

    Belief has also surged in older people, just not as much


    “Among 25-49-year-olds, belief has risen more modestly, from 21 per cent to 33 per cent over the same period

    Which is still an incredible rise

    That said, this poll repeats the dubious assertion about a massive rise in churchgoing - which has been plausibly questioned by many

    So 🤷🏼‍♂️
    This looks like it's the underlying survey;

    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/trackers/brits-beliefs-about-gods?crossBreak=1824

    Six monthly tracker, and both the 16 and 45 are oddly cherry-picked. (The most recent survey is back to 37-32 belief.)

    Does look like something interesting happened between August 2022 and February 2023, but not on the scale suggested here. Maybe the rapid fall of Truss caused people to say "Thank God for that".
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,902
    MattW said:

    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    A revival of muscular Christianity - the church of the Templars, of Arthur and Lancelot, of Milton and Newman - is exactly what Britain needs. It is the necessary first step to regaining our cultural self confidence

    Well a broken and contrite heart the Lord will not despise.

    Which of the deadly sins are you going to repent of first? Pride? Wrath? Lust? Greed? Gluttony? Envy or Sloth?

    Hypocrisy is not one if the big ones but we should still try and avoid it if we can.
    Is someone going to explain to Leon what the phrase means?

    Clue: Tom Brown's schooldays, with mens sana in corpore sano.

    (Enjoy the cold showers.)
    And a spot of the old flage, this hurts me more than it hurts you, stuff?

    Erm. Um.

    Leon is going to volunteer to run boys' clubs and manage parish football leagues in the slums of London, in between holding prayer meetings on the evils of alcohol and other drugs?
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 2,034
    I’ve read the header and text. I like pineapple on pizza. That’s all I understood.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,902
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    eek said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Of all the stupid fucking shit I've read over the years on here, and that includes kjh toying with the idea of buying a Panther Kallista, the idea that it was a VVP body double in Alaska is stupidest fuckingest shit of all.

    @Dura_Ace - It got worse. I almost bought a Panther J72 as well. I was within a hairs breadth. We were within £1000 of agreeing on a price. I then bought the Cobra 427 replica instead. I think you were almost as dismissive of that, although mainly on safety grounds (it is never going out in the wet), rather than me doing a Noddy impersonation.
    Could be worse Mathewson’s have a Morris Minor Traveller up for sale and Mrs Eek wants it
    You have to completely rebuild the fucking things every 10-15 years. Total garbage. Watch the Cambrian Classics videos on replacing the timber bits then do anything else with your money.

    They are also really slow, dangerous, uncomfortable and unreliable.

    Apart from all that, great fucking motors.
    Tell me something I don't already know - the last thing I want is a classic car but my wife has no taste or concept of money pits...
    Tell her you are getting a mistress instead. It will prove to be cheaper and less painful...
    Wouldn't the Morris Minor help with that given according to @Dura_Ace it's a 'great fucking motor?'
    For that purpose you are better with the MM Traveller, and an old mattress in the back, a classic passion wagon.

    Chap round the back has a Traveller - he seems to keep it in the garage all the time, presumably worried about wet rot.

    Though apparently some of them had plastic rather than real wood. Cheating.

    Mind, another chap in the same street has wee grey Fergie tractors in his garage. Tastes vary.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,445
    Carnyx said:

    MattW said:

    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    A revival of muscular Christianity - the church of the Templars, of Arthur and Lancelot, of Milton and Newman - is exactly what Britain needs. It is the necessary first step to regaining our cultural self confidence

    Well a broken and contrite heart the Lord will not despise.

    Which of the deadly sins are you going to repent of first? Pride? Wrath? Lust? Greed? Gluttony? Envy or Sloth?

    Hypocrisy is not one if the big ones but we should still try and avoid it if we can.
    Is someone going to explain to Leon what the phrase means?

    Clue: Tom Brown's schooldays, with mens sana in corpore sano.

    (Enjoy the cold showers.)
    And a spot of the old flage, this hurts me more than it hurts you, stuff?

    Erm. Um.

    Leon is going to volunteer to run boys' clubs and manage parish football leagues in the slums of London, in between holding prayer meetings on the evils of alcohol and other drugs?
    And self-abuse. Maybe he can get his stalker in to explain the dangers.

    (Actually, a few too many public school Muscular Christians running the CofE is one of its current problems, I reckon.)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,885
    Carnyx said:

    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    eek said:

    kjh said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Of all the stupid fucking shit I've read over the years on here, and that includes kjh toying with the idea of buying a Panther Kallista, the idea that it was a VVP body double in Alaska is stupidest fuckingest shit of all.

    @Dura_Ace - It got worse. I almost bought a Panther J72 as well. I was within a hairs breadth. We were within £1000 of agreeing on a price. I then bought the Cobra 427 replica instead. I think you were almost as dismissive of that, although mainly on safety grounds (it is never going out in the wet), rather than me doing a Noddy impersonation.
    Could be worse Mathewson’s have a Morris Minor Traveller up for sale and Mrs Eek wants it
    You have to completely rebuild the fucking things every 10-15 years. Total garbage. Watch the Cambrian Classics videos on replacing the timber bits then do anything else with your money.

    They are also really slow, dangerous, uncomfortable and unreliable.

    Apart from all that, great fucking motors.
    Tell me something I don't already know - the last thing I want is a classic car but my wife has no taste or concept of money pits...
    Tell her you are getting a mistress instead. It will prove to be cheaper and less painful...
    Wouldn't the Morris Minor help with that given according to @Dura_Ace it's a 'great fucking motor?'
    For that purpose you are better with the MM Traveller, and an old mattress in the back, a classic passion wagon.

    Chap round the back has a Traveller - he seems to keep it in the garage all the time, presumably worried about wet rot.

    Though apparently some of them had plastic rather than real wood. Cheating.

    Mind, another chap in the same street has wee grey Fergie tractors in his garage. Tastes vary.
    Certainly having wee grey Fergie tractors rather than normal sexual partners, garage or elsewhere, is an - individual - taste?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,200
    Slightly serious question:

    What offices can you still run for under our electoral system if you are a disqualified Director, or have previously received a 16-month prison sentence?

    *innocent face*
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