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  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,901
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    This looks like potentially very good news:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgr94xxye2lo

    It is and it’s just the beginning. We are entering a new golden age of scientific advance

    Reasons to be Cheerful, part 3
    Summer, Buddy Holly
    The working folly
    Jump back in the alley
    and nanny goats
    In the wilds of Borneo
    And the vineyards of Bordeaux
    Eskimo, Arapaho
    Move their bodies, to and fro
    Not a patch on this verse of poetry.

    "Had a love affair with Nina in the back of my Cortina
    A seasoned-up hyena could not have been more obscener
    She took me to the cleaners and other misdemeanours
    But I got right up between her rum and her Ribena"

    From Billericay Dickie.

    I guess it was from a different time.
    He was a fine lyricist and the Blockheads were a brilliant “backing band”

    I’ve just been listening to some of his best songs. I do wonder if he’d be cancelled today. Such is the dire state of things
    As a internationalist socialist, he’d probably be cancelled by the current Labour and Tory parties, and the Reformics,
    You’ve voted for them all, haven’t you?
    I’ve also voted Green, UKIP and Mebyon Kernow

    Given the chance I’d probably have voted for Eck when he led the SNP
    Is there any major party you haven't voted for so far?
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,807
    I’m thinking Zynathiel Galenfey for my Elven Cleric.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,541

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Governor Newsom Press Office
    @GovPressOffice
    BEYOND THE BEAUTIFUL, “PERFECT MAPS” — DONALD J. TRUMP HAS MUCH BIGGER PROBLEMS. SOON, I — GAVIN C. NEWSOM — WILL BE SHARING RECORDS THAT SHOULD CONCERN HIM.

    I DIDN’T WANT TO RELEASE THEM — OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT (NOT THE PRESIDENT) — BUT MIKE “LITTLE MAN” JOHNSON’S HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE HAS REQUESTED THEM!!! WHOOPS.

    WON’T BE PRETTY FOR DONNIE J. MANY ARE SAYING IT COULD BE THE FINAL NAIL IN HIS LONG CAREER OF LYING. THIS AND THE MAPS. “IT’S OVER.” THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER. — GCN

    https://x.com/GovPressOffice/status/1956052782383030564

    either he has gone insane, or he thinks he's funny.

    If the latter, there is an argument that he's still insane. imitating the posts of somebody who clearly has quite advanced dementia but doing them even worse merely looks stupid.
    Hmm not sure. It's mockery. Might cut through.
    Also, it's his press office, not his personal account.
    He's got some energetic kids trolling on his behalf.

    Smart politics, in the nominee stakes.
    He's gone from nowhere, to a serious contender.
    Seems worth a try on the St Thomas Moore principle that “The devil...the prowde spirite...cannot endure to be mocked.

    It's not as if anyone else has really come up with a better plan.
    @acyn.bsky.social‬

    Reporter: What’s going on with those posts on X that are clearly trolling the president?

    Newsom: I hope it’s a wake up call for the president. I’m just following his example. If you have issues with what I’m putting out, you sure as hell should have concerns with what he’s putting out

    https://bsky.app/profile/acyn.bsky.social/post/3lwf5m3vuzf23
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,881
    edited August 14

    Fishing said:

    I'm in Sarajevo now.

    I just saw the place where Franz Ferdinand was shot.

    Terrible to think of all the suffering that bullet unleashed, including the damage to our nation and Empire following our disastrous decision to intervene (though it achieved the almost impossible in shutting the Irish up for eighteen months).

    It would be nice to think mankind has learned it lessons, but looking at the world now clearly lots haven't.

    And of course people are amazing at taking different, sometimes opposite, lessons from the same event.

    The British Empire reached its territorial zenith after WW1.
    Indeed, one reason being the need to secure the oilfields for the *Dreadnoughts' bunker fuel.

    *Later and much more modern ones. Not much newer, but the rate of change at the time ...
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,881
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    This looks like potentially very good news:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgr94xxye2lo

    It is and it’s just the beginning. We are entering a new golden age of scientific advance

    Reasons to be Cheerful, part 3
    Summer, Buddy Holly
    The working folly
    Jump back in the alley
    and nanny goats
    In the wilds of Borneo
    And the vineyards of Bordeaux
    Eskimo, Arapaho
    Move their bodies, to and fro
    Not a patch on this verse of poetry.

    "Had a love affair with Nina in the back of my Cortina
    A seasoned-up hyena could not have been more obscener
    She took me to the cleaners and other misdemeanours
    But I got right up between her rum and her Ribena"

    From Billericay Dickie.

    I guess it was from a different time.
    He was a fine lyricist and the Blockheads were a brilliant “backing band”

    I’ve just been listening to some of his best songs. I do wonder if he’d be cancelled today. Such is the dire state of things
    As a internationalist socialist, he’d probably be cancelled by the current Labour and Tory parties, and the Reformics,
    You’ve voted for them all, haven’t you?
    I’ve also voted Green, UKIP and Mebyon Kernow

    Given the chance I’d probably have voted for Eck when he led the SNP
    Is there any major party you haven't voted for so far?
    Northumberland Independence?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,838
    Carnyx said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    This looks like potentially very good news:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgr94xxye2lo

    It is and it’s just the beginning. We are entering a new golden age of scientific advance

    Reasons to be Cheerful, part 3
    Summer, Buddy Holly
    The working folly
    Jump back in the alley
    and nanny goats
    In the wilds of Borneo
    And the vineyards of Bordeaux
    Eskimo, Arapaho
    Move their bodies, to and fro
    Not a patch on this verse of poetry.

    "Had a love affair with Nina in the back of my Cortina
    A seasoned-up hyena could not have been more obscener
    She took me to the cleaners and other misdemeanours
    But I got right up between her rum and her Ribena"

    From Billericay Dickie.

    I guess it was from a different time.
    He was a fine lyricist and the Blockheads were a brilliant “backing band”

    I’ve just been listening to some of his best songs. I do wonder if he’d be cancelled today. Such is the dire state of things
    As a internationalist socialist, he’d probably be cancelled by the current Labour and Tory parties, and the Reformics,
    You’ve voted for them all, haven’t you?
    I’ve also voted Green, UKIP and Mebyon Kernow

    Given the chance I’d probably have voted for Eck when he led the SNP
    Is there any major party you haven't voted for so far?
    Northumberland Independence?
    When you have so many votes, you can spread them among a wider range of parties.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,901
    edited August 14
    nico67 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Something to be said for this idea…

    https://x.com/abridgen/status/1955903325641351219

    My suggestion on digital ID would be that all MPs and members of the House of Lords adopt digital ID as a pilot scheme , allow the public access to all the information as to where they go and what they do, all live. Run the trial for a couple of years and see if the MPs and Peers find the technology intrusive. What do you think to that idea ?

    The UK should just move to ID cards with the option of a digital ID if people prefer that . I don’t see why this seems to be so controversial as almost every other European country have them.
    There are two things:

    1) Philosophical - the relationship between the state and the citizen is different in the UK. The state doesn’t get to order us around without consent - they have no right to demand we identify ourselves (“papers please”)

    2) Practical - Blair’s original proposal hung massive databases off the ID card and gave way too many people access to the information. It was a massive privacy and data security risk.
    We’re already tracked to a certain degree by our phones . You can limit the data on the ID card to just what’s absolutely necessary and also what agencies can access it .
    You are under no obligation to own a smartphone, or a car, or a property.
    I think it’s an Anglosphere thing where the public seem to be really riled up by the idea of ID cards .
    I'd rather have mass uncontrolled illegal migration than ID cards. That's how much I dislike the idea of them being introduced.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,710
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Governor Newsom Press Office
    @GovPressOffice
    BEYOND THE BEAUTIFUL, “PERFECT MAPS” — DONALD J. TRUMP HAS MUCH BIGGER PROBLEMS. SOON, I — GAVIN C. NEWSOM — WILL BE SHARING RECORDS THAT SHOULD CONCERN HIM.

    I DIDN’T WANT TO RELEASE THEM — OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT (NOT THE PRESIDENT) — BUT MIKE “LITTLE MAN” JOHNSON’S HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE HAS REQUESTED THEM!!! WHOOPS.

    WON’T BE PRETTY FOR DONNIE J. MANY ARE SAYING IT COULD BE THE FINAL NAIL IN HIS LONG CAREER OF LYING. THIS AND THE MAPS. “IT’S OVER.” THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER. — GCN

    https://x.com/GovPressOffice/status/1956052782383030564

    either he has gone insane, or he thinks he's funny.

    If the latter, there is an argument that he's still insane. imitating the posts of somebody who clearly has quite advanced dementia but doing them even worse merely looks stupid.
    Hmm not sure. It's mockery. Might cut through.
    Also, it's his press office, not his personal account.
    He's got some energetic kids trolling on his behalf.

    Smart politics, in the nominee stakes.
    He's gone from nowhere, to a serious contender.
    He's my bet, actually, if I were having one this early. His odds are value imo. He'll at worst be in the mix, you'd have thought.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,675
    edited August 14
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    This looks like potentially very good news:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgr94xxye2lo

    It is and it’s just the beginning. We are entering a new golden age of scientific advance

    Reasons to be Cheerful, part 3
    Summer, Buddy Holly
    The working folly
    Jump back in the alley
    and nanny goats
    In the wilds of Borneo
    And the vineyards of Bordeaux
    Eskimo, Arapaho
    Move their bodies, to and fro
    Not a patch on this verse of poetry.

    "Had a love affair with Nina in the back of my Cortina
    A seasoned-up hyena could not have been more obscener
    She took me to the cleaners and other misdemeanours
    But I got right up between her rum and her Ribena"

    From Billericay Dickie.

    I guess it was from a different time.
    He was a fine lyricist and the Blockheads were a brilliant “backing band”

    I’ve just been listening to some of his best songs. I do wonder if he’d be cancelled today. Such is the dire state of things
    As a internationalist socialist, he’d probably be cancelled by the current Labour and Tory parties, and the Reformics,
    You’ve voted for them all, haven’t you?
    I’ve also voted Green, UKIP and Mebyon Kernow

    Given the chance I’d probably have voted for Eck when he led the SNP
    No, you’d have voted for Eck after he left the SNP and he was no longer a threat to the UK.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,168

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    ydoethur said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Governor Newsom Press Office
    @GovPressOffice
    BEYOND THE BEAUTIFUL, “PERFECT MAPS” — DONALD J. TRUMP HAS MUCH BIGGER PROBLEMS. SOON, I — GAVIN C. NEWSOM — WILL BE SHARING RECORDS THAT SHOULD CONCERN HIM.

    I DIDN’T WANT TO RELEASE THEM — OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT (NOT THE PRESIDENT) — BUT MIKE “LITTLE MAN” JOHNSON’S HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE HAS REQUESTED THEM!!! WHOOPS.

    WON’T BE PRETTY FOR DONNIE J. MANY ARE SAYING IT COULD BE THE FINAL NAIL IN HIS LONG CAREER OF LYING. THIS AND THE MAPS. “IT’S OVER.” THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER. — GCN

    https://x.com/GovPressOffice/status/1956052782383030564

    either he has gone insane, or he thinks he's funny.

    If the latter, there is an argument that he's still insane. imitating the posts of somebody who clearly has quite advanced dementia but doing them even worse merely looks stupid.
    Hmm not sure. It's mockery. Might cut through.
    Also, it's his press office, not his personal account.
    He's got some energetic kids trolling on his behalf.

    Smart politics, in the nominee stakes.
    He's gone from nowhere, to a serious contender.
    Seems worth a try on the St Thomas Moore principle that “The devil...the prowde spirite...cannot endure to be mocked.

    It's not as if anyone else has really come up with a better plan.
    Actual Newsom

    Donald Trump has sent armed agents to our rally. We will not be intimidated.
    https://x.com/GavinNewsom/status/1956067038822326666
  • isamisam Posts: 42,310
    Time to play Elvis Costello’s ‘Shipbuilding’

    Analysis of radar satellite data shows rearmament on a historic scale, stretching over 7mn sq metres of new industrial development on.ft.com/4mAYDW2

    https://x.com/ftbrussels/status/1955117351679979567?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,541
    @Reuters

    Deere warns of bigger tariff hit after quarterly profit declines

    https://x.com/Reuters/status/1956092236690555349
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,079

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    This looks like potentially very good news:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgr94xxye2lo

    It is and it’s just the beginning. We are entering a new golden age of scientific advance

    Reasons to be Cheerful, part 3
    Summer, Buddy Holly
    The working folly
    Jump back in the alley
    and nanny goats
    In the wilds of Borneo
    And the vineyards of Bordeaux
    Eskimo, Arapaho
    Move their bodies, to and fro
    Not a patch on this verse of poetry.

    "Had a love affair with Nina in the back of my Cortina
    A seasoned-up hyena could not have been more obscener
    She took me to the cleaners and other misdemeanours
    But I got right up between her rum and her Ribena"

    From Billericay Dickie.

    I guess it was from a different time.
    He was a fine lyricist and the Blockheads were a brilliant “backing band”

    I’ve just been listening to some of his best songs. I do wonder if he’d be cancelled today. Such is the dire state of things
    As a internationalist socialist, he’d probably be cancelled by the current Labour and Tory parties, and the Reformics,
    You’ve voted for them all, haven’t you?
    I’ve also voted Green, UKIP and Mebyon Kernow

    Given the chance I’d probably have voted for Eck when he led the SNP
    No, you’d have voted for Eck after he left the SNP and he was no longer a threat to the UK.
    Possibly, Hard to say, depends on context

    If I was a patriotic Scot but a Unionist I'd have definitely gone for him (then voted NO in any referendum). Or would I?

    Perhaps there are too many confounders

  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,079
    edited August 14
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    This looks like potentially very good news:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgr94xxye2lo

    It is and it’s just the beginning. We are entering a new golden age of scientific advance

    Reasons to be Cheerful, part 3
    Summer, Buddy Holly
    The working folly
    Jump back in the alley
    and nanny goats
    In the wilds of Borneo
    And the vineyards of Bordeaux
    Eskimo, Arapaho
    Move their bodies, to and fro
    Not a patch on this verse of poetry.

    "Had a love affair with Nina in the back of my Cortina
    A seasoned-up hyena could not have been more obscener
    She took me to the cleaners and other misdemeanours
    But I got right up between her rum and her Ribena"

    From Billericay Dickie.

    I guess it was from a different time.
    He was a fine lyricist and the Blockheads were a brilliant “backing band”

    I’ve just been listening to some of his best songs. I do wonder if he’d be cancelled today. Such is the dire state of things
    As a internationalist socialist, he’d probably be cancelled by the current Labour and Tory parties, and the Reformics,
    You’ve voted for them all, haven’t you?
    I’ve also voted Green, UKIP and Mebyon Kernow

    Given the chance I’d probably have voted for Eck when he led the SNP
    Is there any major party you haven't voted for so far?
    Lib Dems? That's about it

    I think voting for different parties is a sign of conscious thought, and is preferable to blind partisan loyalty (tho there is room for that, to an extent)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,251
    This is the best thing that's ever happened in The Hundred.

    Please listen to this awesome bit of commentary

    https://x.com/bbctms/status/1956085768885092657
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,079
    isam said:

    Owen Jones impression. I might have posted this before

    https://x.com/tonylapidus/status/1956057162716774559?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Haha

    That's jolly good
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,367
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Something to be said for this idea…

    https://x.com/abridgen/status/1955903325641351219

    My suggestion on digital ID would be that all MPs and members of the House of Lords adopt digital ID as a pilot scheme , allow the public access to all the information as to where they go and what they do, all live. Run the trial for a couple of years and see if the MPs and Peers find the technology intrusive. What do you think to that idea ?

    The UK should just move to ID cards with the option of a digital ID if people prefer that . I don’t see why this seems to be so controversial as almost every other European country have them.
    That you don't understand the issue is quite the point.
    Are you meaning issues around data protection?
    The problem is some psychologically malamutes people in the Home Office who believe that linking all data possessed by the government together and having no access restrictions is a good thing.

    Aside from the fact that it breaches all laws on data protection, all security methodologies and common sense, it has a tiny flaw. It would be an implementation fuck upon scale that would stagger even Private Eye.

    The above is claimed to be a vital part of having ID cards. The fact that it goes beyond what China has done to its citizens is an indication.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,409
    Scott_xP said:

    @Reuters

    Deere warns of bigger tariff hit after quarterly profit declines

    https://x.com/Reuters/status/1956092236690555349

    Does this mean that their tractors are going to become more Deere?
  • Andy_JS said:

    nico67 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Something to be said for this idea…

    https://x.com/abridgen/status/1955903325641351219

    My suggestion on digital ID would be that all MPs and members of the House of Lords adopt digital ID as a pilot scheme , allow the public access to all the information as to where they go and what they do, all live. Run the trial for a couple of years and see if the MPs and Peers find the technology intrusive. What do you think to that idea ?

    The UK should just move to ID cards with the option of a digital ID if people prefer that . I don’t see why this seems to be so controversial as almost every other European country have them.
    There are two things:

    1) Philosophical - the relationship between the state and the citizen is different in the UK. The state doesn’t get to order us around without consent - they have no right to demand we identify ourselves (“papers please”)

    2) Practical - Blair’s original proposal hung massive databases off the ID card and gave way too many people access to the information. It was a massive privacy and data security risk.
    We’re already tracked to a certain degree by our phones . You can limit the data on the ID card to just what’s absolutely necessary and also what agencies can access it .
    You are under no obligation to own a smartphone, or a car, or a property.
    I think it’s an Anglosphere thing where the public seem to be really riled up by the idea of ID cards .
    I'd rather have mass uncontrolled illegal migration than ID cards. That's how much I dislike the idea of them being introduced.
    Ditto. Although the sheer number of organisations that require a driver's licence or passport for ID means we've almost got there by stealth.

    I think the reluctance to embrace ID cards stems largely from an instinctive distrust of the government, because every time they've gained more powers to intrude into our lives they've always given in to the temptation to misuse them.

    One stark example is the powers handed to government departments to ask banks to watch for certain 'triggers' in people's bank accounts. They were introduced to fight terrorism and money laundering, but are now used by the DWP to ruin the lives of carers who've earned a few pounds above the set limit.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,409

    This is the best thing that's ever happened in The Hundred.

    Please listen to this awesome bit of commentary

    https://x.com/bbctms/status/1956085768885092657

    Since there was discussion of Billericay Dickie earlier, how is Dick Holden MP getting on?
  • Andy_JS said:

    nico67 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Something to be said for this idea…

    https://x.com/abridgen/status/1955903325641351219

    My suggestion on digital ID would be that all MPs and members of the House of Lords adopt digital ID as a pilot scheme , allow the public access to all the information as to where they go and what they do, all live. Run the trial for a couple of years and see if the MPs and Peers find the technology intrusive. What do you think to that idea ?

    The UK should just move to ID cards with the option of a digital ID if people prefer that . I don’t see why this seems to be so controversial as almost every other European country have them.
    There are two things:

    1) Philosophical - the relationship between the state and the citizen is different in the UK. The state doesn’t get to order us around without consent - they have no right to demand we identify ourselves (“papers please”)

    2) Practical - Blair’s original proposal hung massive databases off the ID card and gave way too many people access to the information. It was a massive privacy and data security risk.
    We’re already tracked to a certain degree by our phones . You can limit the data on the ID card to just what’s absolutely necessary and also what agencies can access it .
    You are under no obligation to own a smartphone, or a car, or a property.
    I think it’s an Anglosphere thing where the public seem to be really riled up by the idea of ID cards .
    I'd rather have mass uncontrolled illegal migration than ID cards. That's how much I dislike the idea of them being introduced.
    Ditto. Although the sheer number of organisations that require a driver's licence or passport for ID means we've almost got there by stealth.

    I think the reluctance to embrace ID cards stems largely from an instinctive distrust of the government, because every time they've gained more powers to intrude into our lives they've always given in to the temptation to misuse them.

    One stark example is the powers handed to government departments to ask banks to watch for certain 'triggers' in people's bank accounts. They were introduced to fight terrorism and money laundering, but are now used by the DWP to ruin the lives of carers who've earned a few pounds above the set limit.
    The problem is the insanity of setting a limit on what people can earn in the first place, that should not exist. All such cliff edges cause irrational behaviours.

    People who are free and able to work should always be free and encouraged and rewarded for doing so, not penalised.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,760

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Something to be said for this idea…

    https://x.com/abridgen/status/1955903325641351219

    My suggestion on digital ID would be that all MPs and members of the House of Lords adopt digital ID as a pilot scheme , allow the public access to all the information as to where they go and what they do, all live. Run the trial for a couple of years and see if the MPs and Peers find the technology intrusive. What do you think to that idea ?

    The UK should just move to ID cards with the option of a digital ID if people prefer that . I don’t see why this seems to be so controversial as almost every other European country have them.
    That you don't understand the issue is quite the point.
    Are you meaning issues around data protection?
    The problem is some psychologically malamutes people in the Home Office who believe that linking all data possessed by the government together and having no access restrictions is a good thing.

    Aside from the fact that it breaches all laws on data protection, all security methodologies and common sense, it has a tiny flaw. It would be an implementation fuck upon scale that would stagger even Private Eye.

    The above is claimed to be a vital part of having ID cards. The fact that it goes beyond what China has done to its citizens is an indication.
    Thanks for that info . I can see why that would be so controversial.
  • vinovino Posts: 194
    Andy_JS said:

    nico67 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Something to be said for this idea…

    https://x.com/abridgen/status/1955903325641351219

    My suggestion on digital ID would be that all MPs and members of the House of Lords adopt digital ID as a pilot scheme , allow the public access to all the information as to where they go and what they do, all live. Run the trial for a couple of years and see if the MPs and Peers find the technology intrusive. What do you think to that idea ?

    The UK should just move to ID cards with the option of a digital ID if people prefer that . I don’t see why this seems to be so controversial as almost every other European country have them.
    There are two things:

    1) Philosophical - the relationship between the state and the citizen is different in the UK. The state doesn’t get to order us around without consent - they have no right to demand we identify ourselves (“papers please”)

    2) Practical - Blair’s original proposal hung massive databases off the ID card and gave way too many people access to the information. It was a massive privacy and data security risk.
    We’re already tracked to a certain degree by our phones . You can limit the data on the ID card to just what’s absolutely necessary and also what agencies can access it .
    You are under no obligation to own a smartphone, or a car, or a property.
    I think it’s an Anglosphere thing where the public seem to be really riled up by the idea of ID cards .
    I'd rather have mass uncontrolled illegal migration than ID cards. That's how much I dislike the idea of them being introduced.
    I went to a debate in 2006 (?) re ID cards - the "Pro" being Nick Palmer who was very good against the Tories & Lib Dems - at the end of the debate the motion to introduce ID cards was carried.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,310
    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Owen Jones impression. I might have posted this before

    https://x.com/tonylapidus/status/1956057162716774559?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Haha

    That's jolly good
    His Tommy Robinson is pretty accurate as well

    https://x.com/tonylapidus/status/1955718415785644292?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,838

    Fishing said:

    I'm in Sarajevo now.

    I just saw the place where Franz Ferdinand was shot.

    Terrible to think of all the suffering that bullet unleashed, including the damage to our nation and Empire following our disastrous decision to intervene (though it achieved the almost impossible in shutting the Irish up for eighteen months).

    It would be nice to think mankind has learned it lessons, but looking at the world now clearly lots haven't.

    And of course people are amazing at taking different, sometimes opposite, lessons from the same event.

    The British Empire reached its territorial zenith after WW1.
    Nazi Germany peaked in about October 1942 but it’s fate was sealed by then
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,838
    edited August 14

    Andy_JS said:

    nico67 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Something to be said for this idea…

    https://x.com/abridgen/status/1955903325641351219

    My suggestion on digital ID would be that all MPs and members of the House of Lords adopt digital ID as a pilot scheme , allow the public access to all the information as to where they go and what they do, all live. Run the trial for a couple of years and see if the MPs and Peers find the technology intrusive. What do you think to that idea ?

    The UK should just move to ID cards with the option of a digital ID if people prefer that . I don’t see why this seems to be so controversial as almost every other European country have them.
    There are two things:

    1) Philosophical - the relationship between the state and the citizen is different in the UK. The state doesn’t get to order us around without consent - they have no right to demand we identify ourselves (“papers please”)

    2) Practical - Blair’s original proposal hung massive databases off the ID card and gave way too many people access to the information. It was a massive privacy and data security risk.
    We’re already tracked to a certain degree by our phones . You can limit the data on the ID card to just what’s absolutely necessary and also what agencies can access it .
    You are under no obligation to own a smartphone, or a car, or a property.
    I think it’s an Anglosphere thing where the public seem to be really riled up by the idea of ID cards .
    I'd rather have mass uncontrolled illegal migration than ID cards. That's how much I dislike the idea of them being introduced.
    Ditto. Although the sheer number of organisations that require a driver's licence or passport for ID means we've almost got there by stealth.

    I think the reluctance to embrace ID cards stems largely from an instinctive distrust of the government, because every time they've gained more powers to intrude into our lives they've always given in to the temptation to misuse them.

    One stark example is the powers handed to government departments to ask banks to watch for certain 'triggers' in people's bank accounts. They were introduced to fight terrorism and money laundering, but are now used by the DWP to ruin the lives of carers who've earned a few pounds above the set limit.
    I’ve always said I’m in favour of ID cards, if the following conditions are met:

    1) They’re issued for free;

    2) You don’t have to carry them at all times;

    3) You can use them chip and pin to access all government services - so they would replace passports and driving licences, not augment them;

    4) That you had the power to access all information the government holds on you, and amend it where it is wrong;

    5) That civil servants who access your data are logged, and you can see who they are and why they accessed it;

    6) That if somebody has accessed your data inappropriately you have the right to take legal action against them, funded by the government.

    And numbers 4-6 will not happen while any civil servant breathes air.

    So - I oppose them.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3389196#Comment_3389196
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,079

    Fishing said:

    I'm in Sarajevo now.

    I just saw the place where Franz Ferdinand was shot.

    Terrible to think of all the suffering that bullet unleashed, including the damage to our nation and Empire following our disastrous decision to intervene (though it achieved the almost impossible in shutting the Irish up for eighteen months).

    It would be nice to think mankind has learned it lessons, but looking at the world now clearly lots haven't.

    And of course people are amazing at taking different, sometimes opposite, lessons from the same event.

    The British Empire reached its territorial zenith after WW1.
    Nazi Germany peaked in about October 1942 but it’s fate was sealed by then
    "The British built the most successful, advanced, and sophisticated civilization in history and then just decided to light it all on fire for no particular reason.

    I will never understand."

    https://x.com/Anthony__Koch/status/1955725353587986498

    Not entirely true, but true enough to hurt very deeply
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,547
    vino said:
    They can carry id cards if they want. It's their power to compel *me* that I object to.
  • vinovino Posts: 194
    viewcode said:

    vino said:
    They can carry id cards if they want. It's their power to compel *me* that I object to.
    Do the EU compel their citizens to carry them? - genuine question
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,367
    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico67 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Something to be said for this idea…

    https://x.com/abridgen/status/1955903325641351219

    My suggestion on digital ID would be that all MPs and members of the House of Lords adopt digital ID as a pilot scheme , allow the public access to all the information as to where they go and what they do, all live. Run the trial for a couple of years and see if the MPs and Peers find the technology intrusive. What do you think to that idea ?

    The UK should just move to ID cards with the option of a digital ID if people prefer that . I don’t see why this seems to be so controversial as almost every other European country have them.
    There are two things:

    1) Philosophical - the relationship between the state and the citizen is different in the UK. The state doesn’t get to order us around without consent - they have no right to demand we identify ourselves (“papers please”)

    2) Practical - Blair’s original proposal hung massive databases off the ID card and gave way too many people access to the information. It was a massive privacy and data security risk.
    We’re already tracked to a certain degree by our phones . You can limit the data on the ID card to just what’s absolutely necessary and also what agencies can access it .
    You are under no obligation to own a smartphone, or a car, or a property.
    I think it’s an Anglosphere thing where the public seem to be really riled up by the idea of ID cards .
    I'd rather have mass uncontrolled illegal migration than ID cards. That's how much I dislike the idea of them being introduced.
    Ditto. Although the sheer number of organisations that require a driver's licence or passport for ID means we've almost got there by stealth.

    I think the reluctance to embrace ID cards stems largely from an instinctive distrust of the government, because every time they've gained more powers to intrude into our lives they've always given in to the temptation to misuse them.

    One stark example is the powers handed to government departments to ask banks to watch for certain 'triggers' in people's bank accounts. They were introduced to fight terrorism and money laundering, but are now used by the DWP to ruin the lives of carers who've earned a few pounds above the set limit.
    I’ve always said I’m in favour of ID cards, if the following conditions are met:

    1) They’re issued for free;

    2) You don’t have to carry them at all times;

    3) You can use them chip and pin to access all government services - so they would replace passports and driving licences, not augment them;

    4) That you had the power to access all information the government holds on you, and amend it where it is wrong;

    5) That civil servants who access your data are logged, and you can see who they are and why they accessed it;

    6) That if somebody has accessed your data inappropriately you have the right to take legal action against them, funded by the government.

    And numbers 4-6 will not happen while any civil servant breathes air.

    So - I oppose them.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3389196#Comment_3389196
    It’s noticeable that the civil service were ok with imposing bits of 4,5 and 6 on the Police Farce. See the modern PNC - which actually controls access and breaches are actually treated as serious disciplinary offences.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,838
    Leon said:

    Jenrick has done an amazing tweet


    "As the sun rose over Dunkirk, I called the French police. Ten hours of tracking had established that a group of migrants were hiding in a cemetery just yards from the beach, waiting to cross the Channel.

    Surely this was the moment for the authorities to sweep the beach or search the streets to find the migrants and their smugglers? You know, to “smash the gang” I had found.

    “I will pass it on,” came the first response. I pressed - this was urgent. “The police will probably not come,” the 112 handler said, dismissively. No further details sought. No interest shown.

    I’d come to northern France to see for myself what is really happening as Channel crossings surge and communities back home bear the intolerable consequences of broken borders. Just me and a cameraman - no French minders, no protection.

    What I saw in the camps, streets, and beaches was sickening. The reality is worse than I have ever seen. The whole racket is a disgrace, and the French are aiding and abetting it.

    Take the camp near Loon-Plage: half a mile from tidy villages sits a lawless, dangerous space. Someone was shot dead there last month; stabbings are common. It is strewn with litter, ramshackle tents, and menace. Almost all the migrants are young men. They sit on the ground, scrolling their smartphones, waiting. No police. No officials.

    Those willing to speak were clear: they are coming to the UK for jobs, housing, benefits, and free healthcare. None said they were fleeing persecution - they are already in France. None had a trade or profession to offer. They will be a huge strain on already struggling UK public services.

    Some were polite; others threatened violence. One man pressed his face close, telling me to leave. Another began hurling glass bottles - one smashing beside me, another flying past my head.

    Do you want men like this in your community? I don’t. For saying this, I’ve been called a “xenophobe” on the BBC. But I doubt those levelling that smear have been to this camp, seen those men, and imagined them outside their children’s school gates. This is a national security emergency.

    And the French? We’ve given them £800m and get dismal theatre in return. They could stop this tomorrow. Instead, they stick two fingers up at Britain - and literally bus illegal migrants towards the beaches.

    [snip]."


    Like it or not, that is brilliantly written and profoundly persuasive

    This shit is going to put Labour under 10%


    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1956072961687085059

    It’s hardly a surprise is it? The French don’t want them, they don’t want to be in France and we are fools to pay the French a bean.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,079

    Leon said:

    Jenrick has done an amazing tweet


    "As the sun rose over Dunkirk, I called the French police. Ten hours of tracking had established that a group of migrants were hiding in a cemetery just yards from the beach, waiting to cross the Channel.

    Surely this was the moment for the authorities to sweep the beach or search the streets to find the migrants and their smugglers? You know, to “smash the gang” I had found.

    “I will pass it on,” came the first response. I pressed - this was urgent. “The police will probably not come,” the 112 handler said, dismissively. No further details sought. No interest shown.

    I’d come to northern France to see for myself what is really happening as Channel crossings surge and communities back home bear the intolerable consequences of broken borders. Just me and a cameraman - no French minders, no protection.

    What I saw in the camps, streets, and beaches was sickening. The reality is worse than I have ever seen. The whole racket is a disgrace, and the French are aiding and abetting it.

    Take the camp near Loon-Plage: half a mile from tidy villages sits a lawless, dangerous space. Someone was shot dead there last month; stabbings are common. It is strewn with litter, ramshackle tents, and menace. Almost all the migrants are young men. They sit on the ground, scrolling their smartphones, waiting. No police. No officials.

    Those willing to speak were clear: they are coming to the UK for jobs, housing, benefits, and free healthcare. None said they were fleeing persecution - they are already in France. None had a trade or profession to offer. They will be a huge strain on already struggling UK public services.

    Some were polite; others threatened violence. One man pressed his face close, telling me to leave. Another began hurling glass bottles - one smashing beside me, another flying past my head.

    Do you want men like this in your community? I don’t. For saying this, I’ve been called a “xenophobe” on the BBC. But I doubt those levelling that smear have been to this camp, seen those men, and imagined them outside their children’s school gates. This is a national security emergency.

    And the French? We’ve given them £800m and get dismal theatre in return. They could stop this tomorrow. Instead, they stick two fingers up at Britain - and literally bus illegal migrants towards the beaches.

    [snip]."


    Like it or not, that is brilliantly written and profoundly persuasive

    This shit is going to put Labour under 10%


    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1956072961687085059

    It’s hardly a surprise is it? The French don’t want them, they don’t want to be in France and we are fools to pay the French a bean.
    Of course it's not a surprise

    The surprise is that a non-Reform politician has the guts and nous to get out there, film this, do this, write about it, and do it SO WELL. Moreover, he is right. this is now approaching a national emergency, and Starmer and Labour are clearly, utterly incapable of addressing it

    The Tories need to junk Badenoch ASAP and get Jenrick in, and then do a deal with Farage if necessary. This is going beyond party interest, this is vital to us all
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,541
    JK Rowling has reviewed Nippy's book...

    This bombast is likely to shock some of my liberal London friends who’ve frequently told me, especially during the pandemic, how lucky I was to have such an an earnest, down-to-earth leader in charge. They, of course, were subject to the whims of the then prime minister Boris Johnson, who could have been replaced with three ferrets in a sack and the only change would have been a slight increase in decisiveness and gravitas, so, to them, Sturgeon seemed a paragon of sober governance, treating Scotland to almost nightly presidential-style podium appearances in which she delivered admonitions with an appropriately dour countenance.

    Her English fans can’t be expected to know about every single clusterfuck over which the supposedly competent Sturgeon presided, and they certainly won’t find out about them from Frankly.


    https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/the-twilight-of-nicola-sturgeon-j-k-rowling-reviews-frankly/
  • isamisam Posts: 42,310
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jenrick has done an amazing tweet


    "As the sun rose over Dunkirk, I called the French police. Ten hours of tracking had established that a group of migrants were hiding in a cemetery just yards from the beach, waiting to cross the Channel.

    Surely this was the moment for the authorities to sweep the beach or search the streets to find the migrants and their smugglers? You know, to “smash the gang” I had found.

    “I will pass it on,” came the first response. I pressed - this was urgent. “The police will probably not come,” the 112 handler said, dismissively. No further details sought. No interest shown.

    I’d come to northern France to see for myself what is really happening as Channel crossings surge and communities back home bear the intolerable consequences of broken borders. Just me and a cameraman - no French minders, no protection.

    What I saw in the camps, streets, and beaches was sickening. The reality is worse than I have ever seen. The whole racket is a disgrace, and the French are aiding and abetting it.

    Take the camp near Loon-Plage: half a mile from tidy villages sits a lawless, dangerous space. Someone was shot dead there last month; stabbings are common. It is strewn with litter, ramshackle tents, and menace. Almost all the migrants are young men. They sit on the ground, scrolling their smartphones, waiting. No police. No officials.

    Those willing to speak were clear: they are coming to the UK for jobs, housing, benefits, and free healthcare. None said they were fleeing persecution - they are already in France. None had a trade or profession to offer. They will be a huge strain on already struggling UK public services.

    Some were polite; others threatened violence. One man pressed his face close, telling me to leave. Another began hurling glass bottles - one smashing beside me, another flying past my head.

    Do you want men like this in your community? I don’t. For saying this, I’ve been called a “xenophobe” on the BBC. But I doubt those levelling that smear have been to this camp, seen those men, and imagined them outside their children’s school gates. This is a national security emergency.

    And the French? We’ve given them £800m and get dismal theatre in return. They could stop this tomorrow. Instead, they stick two fingers up at Britain - and literally bus illegal migrants towards the beaches.

    [snip]."


    Like it or not, that is brilliantly written and profoundly persuasive

    This shit is going to put Labour under 10%


    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1956072961687085059

    It’s hardly a surprise is it? The French don’t want them, they don’t want to be in France and we are fools to pay the French a bean.
    Of course it's not a surprise

    The surprise is that a non-Reform politician has the guts and nous to get out there, film this, do this, write about it, and do it SO WELL. Moreover, he is right. this is now approaching a national emergency, and Starmer and Labour are clearly, utterly incapable of addressing it

    The Tories need to junk Badenoch ASAP and get Jenrick in, and then do a deal with Farage if necessary. This is going beyond party interest, this is vital to us all
    It is surreal that this is actually happening, and three quarters of the country aren’t storming the streets with pitchforks. I am quite vocal on here about it, but I don’t actually do anything other than vote for Reform. If Nick Griffin had said it would happen fifteen years ago he’d have been shot down in flames. It is worthy of the phrase “We must be mad, literally mad”
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,547
    Scott_xP said:

    JK Rowling has reviewed Nippy's book...

    This bombast is likely to shock some of my liberal London friends who’ve frequently told me, especially during the pandemic, how lucky I was to have such an an earnest, down-to-earth leader in charge. They, of course, were subject to the whims of the then prime minister Boris Johnson, who could have been replaced with three ferrets in a sack and the only change would have been a slight increase in decisiveness and gravitas, so, to them, Sturgeon seemed a paragon of sober governance, treating Scotland to almost nightly presidential-style podium appearances in which she delivered admonitions with an appropriately dour countenance.

    Her English fans can’t be expected to know about every single clusterfuck over which the supposedly competent Sturgeon presided, and they certainly won’t find out about them from Frankly.


    https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/the-twilight-of-nicola-sturgeon-j-k-rowling-reviews-frankly/

    Did she like it? 😎
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,901

    Leon said:

    Jenrick has done an amazing tweet


    "As the sun rose over Dunkirk, I called the French police. Ten hours of tracking had established that a group of migrants were hiding in a cemetery just yards from the beach, waiting to cross the Channel.

    Surely this was the moment for the authorities to sweep the beach or search the streets to find the migrants and their smugglers? You know, to “smash the gang” I had found.

    “I will pass it on,” came the first response. I pressed - this was urgent. “The police will probably not come,” the 112 handler said, dismissively. No further details sought. No interest shown.

    I’d come to northern France to see for myself what is really happening as Channel crossings surge and communities back home bear the intolerable consequences of broken borders. Just me and a cameraman - no French minders, no protection.

    What I saw in the camps, streets, and beaches was sickening. The reality is worse than I have ever seen. The whole racket is a disgrace, and the French are aiding and abetting it.

    Take the camp near Loon-Plage: half a mile from tidy villages sits a lawless, dangerous space. Someone was shot dead there last month; stabbings are common. It is strewn with litter, ramshackle tents, and menace. Almost all the migrants are young men. They sit on the ground, scrolling their smartphones, waiting. No police. No officials.

    Those willing to speak were clear: they are coming to the UK for jobs, housing, benefits, and free healthcare. None said they were fleeing persecution - they are already in France. None had a trade or profession to offer. They will be a huge strain on already struggling UK public services.

    Some were polite; others threatened violence. One man pressed his face close, telling me to leave. Another began hurling glass bottles - one smashing beside me, another flying past my head.

    Do you want men like this in your community? I don’t. For saying this, I’ve been called a “xenophobe” on the BBC. But I doubt those levelling that smear have been to this camp, seen those men, and imagined them outside their children’s school gates. This is a national security emergency.

    And the French? We’ve given them £800m and get dismal theatre in return. They could stop this tomorrow. Instead, they stick two fingers up at Britain - and literally bus illegal migrants towards the beaches.

    [snip]."


    Like it or not, that is brilliantly written and profoundly persuasive

    This shit is going to put Labour under 10%


    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1956072961687085059

    It’s hardly a surprise is it? The French don’t want them, they don’t want to be in France and we are fools to pay the French a bean.
    Why don't the French stop them entering France in the first place?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,168
    Scott_xP said:

    JK Rowling has reviewed Nippy's book...

    This bombast is likely to shock some of my liberal London friends who’ve frequently told me, especially during the pandemic, how lucky I was to have such an an earnest, down-to-earth leader in charge. They, of course, were subject to the whims of the then prime minister Boris Johnson, who could have been replaced with three ferrets in a sack and the only change would have been a slight increase in decisiveness and gravitas, so, to them, Sturgeon seemed a paragon of sober governance, treating Scotland to almost nightly presidential-style podium appearances in which she delivered admonitions with an appropriately dour countenance.

    Her English fans can’t be expected to know about every single clusterfuck over which the supposedly competent Sturgeon presided, and they certainly won’t find out about them from Frankly.


    https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/the-twilight-of-nicola-sturgeon-j-k-rowling-reviews-frankly/

    Pottermouth...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,168
    Reporter: What’s going on with those posts on X that are clearly trolling the president?

    Newsom: I hope it’s a wake up call for the president. I’m just following his example. If you have issues with what I’m putting out, you sure as hell should have concerns with what he’s putting out

    I think the deeper question how have we allowed the normalization of his posts to go without similar scrutiny


    https://x.com/Acyn/status/1956086115934593432
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,901
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jenrick has done an amazing tweet


    "As the sun rose over Dunkirk, I called the French police. Ten hours of tracking had established that a group of migrants were hiding in a cemetery just yards from the beach, waiting to cross the Channel.

    Surely this was the moment for the authorities to sweep the beach or search the streets to find the migrants and their smugglers? You know, to “smash the gang” I had found.

    “I will pass it on,” came the first response. I pressed - this was urgent. “The police will probably not come,” the 112 handler said, dismissively. No further details sought. No interest shown.

    I’d come to northern France to see for myself what is really happening as Channel crossings surge and communities back home bear the intolerable consequences of broken borders. Just me and a cameraman - no French minders, no protection.

    What I saw in the camps, streets, and beaches was sickening. The reality is worse than I have ever seen. The whole racket is a disgrace, and the French are aiding and abetting it.

    Take the camp near Loon-Plage: half a mile from tidy villages sits a lawless, dangerous space. Someone was shot dead there last month; stabbings are common. It is strewn with litter, ramshackle tents, and menace. Almost all the migrants are young men. They sit on the ground, scrolling their smartphones, waiting. No police. No officials.

    Those willing to speak were clear: they are coming to the UK for jobs, housing, benefits, and free healthcare. None said they were fleeing persecution - they are already in France. None had a trade or profession to offer. They will be a huge strain on already struggling UK public services.

    Some were polite; others threatened violence. One man pressed his face close, telling me to leave. Another began hurling glass bottles - one smashing beside me, another flying past my head.

    Do you want men like this in your community? I don’t. For saying this, I’ve been called a “xenophobe” on the BBC. But I doubt those levelling that smear have been to this camp, seen those men, and imagined them outside their children’s school gates. This is a national security emergency.

    And the French? We’ve given them £800m and get dismal theatre in return. They could stop this tomorrow. Instead, they stick two fingers up at Britain - and literally bus illegal migrants towards the beaches.

    [snip]."


    Like it or not, that is brilliantly written and profoundly persuasive

    This shit is going to put Labour under 10%


    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1956072961687085059

    It’s hardly a surprise is it? The French don’t want them, they don’t want to be in France and we are fools to pay the French a bean.
    Of course it's not a surprise

    The surprise is that a non-Reform politician has the guts and nous to get out there, film this, do this, write about it, and do it SO WELL. Moreover, he is right. this is now approaching a national emergency, and Starmer and Labour are clearly, utterly incapable of addressing it

    The Tories need to junk Badenoch ASAP and get Jenrick in, and then do a deal with Farage if necessary. This is going beyond party interest, this is vital to us all
    11 weeks to go until letters can be received asking for a Tory leadership election.
  • vinovino Posts: 194
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Jenrick has done an amazing tweet


    "As the sun rose over Dunkirk, I called the French police. Ten hours of tracking had established that a group of migrants were hiding in a cemetery just yards from the beach, waiting to cross the Channel.

    Surely this was the moment for the authorities to sweep the beach or search the streets to find the migrants and their smugglers? You know, to “smash the gang” I had found.

    “I will pass it on,” came the first response. I pressed - this was urgent. “The police will probably not come,” the 112 handler said, dismissively. No further details sought. No interest shown.

    I’d come to northern France to see for myself what is really happening as Channel crossings surge and communities back home bear the intolerable consequences of broken borders. Just me and a cameraman - no French minders, no protection.

    What I saw in the camps, streets, and beaches was sickening. The reality is worse than I have ever seen. The whole racket is a disgrace, and the French are aiding and abetting it.

    Take the camp near Loon-Plage: half a mile from tidy villages sits a lawless, dangerous space. Someone was shot dead there last month; stabbings are common. It is strewn with litter, ramshackle tents, and menace. Almost all the migrants are young men. They sit on the ground, scrolling their smartphones, waiting. No police. No officials.

    Those willing to speak were clear: they are coming to the UK for jobs, housing, benefits, and free healthcare. None said they were fleeing persecution - they are already in France. None had a trade or profession to offer. They will be a huge strain on already struggling UK public services.

    Some were polite; others threatened violence. One man pressed his face close, telling me to leave. Another began hurling glass bottles - one smashing beside me, another flying past my head.

    Do you want men like this in your community? I don’t. For saying this, I’ve been called a “xenophobe” on the BBC. But I doubt those levelling that smear have been to this camp, seen those men, and imagined them outside their children’s school gates. This is a national security emergency.

    And the French? We’ve given them £800m and get dismal theatre in return. They could stop this tomorrow. Instead, they stick two fingers up at Britain - and literally bus illegal migrants towards the beaches.

    [snip]."


    Like it or not, that is brilliantly written and profoundly persuasive

    This shit is going to put Labour under 10%


    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1956072961687085059

    It’s hardly a surprise is it? The French don’t want them, they don’t want to be in France and we are fools to pay the French a bean.
    Why don't the French stop them entering France in the first place?
    The Schengen Area?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,901
    edited August 14
    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico67 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Something to be said for this idea…

    https://x.com/abridgen/status/1955903325641351219

    My suggestion on digital ID would be that all MPs and members of the House of Lords adopt digital ID as a pilot scheme , allow the public access to all the information as to where they go and what they do, all live. Run the trial for a couple of years and see if the MPs and Peers find the technology intrusive. What do you think to that idea ?

    The UK should just move to ID cards with the option of a digital ID if people prefer that . I don’t see why this seems to be so controversial as almost every other European country have them.
    There are two things:

    1) Philosophical - the relationship between the state and the citizen is different in the UK. The state doesn’t get to order us around without consent - they have no right to demand we identify ourselves (“papers please”)

    2) Practical - Blair’s original proposal hung massive databases off the ID card and gave way too many people access to the information. It was a massive privacy and data security risk.
    We’re already tracked to a certain degree by our phones . You can limit the data on the ID card to just what’s absolutely necessary and also what agencies can access it .
    You are under no obligation to own a smartphone, or a car, or a property.
    I think it’s an Anglosphere thing where the public seem to be really riled up by the idea of ID cards .
    I'd rather have mass uncontrolled illegal migration than ID cards. That's how much I dislike the idea of them being introduced.
    Ditto. Although the sheer number of organisations that require a driver's licence or passport for ID means we've almost got there by stealth.

    I think the reluctance to embrace ID cards stems largely from an instinctive distrust of the government, because every time they've gained more powers to intrude into our lives they've always given in to the temptation to misuse them.

    One stark example is the powers handed to government departments to ask banks to watch for certain 'triggers' in people's bank accounts. They were introduced to fight terrorism and money laundering, but are now used by the DWP to ruin the lives of carers who've earned a few pounds above the set limit.
    I’ve always said I’m in favour of ID cards, if the following conditions are met:

    1) They’re issued for free;

    2) You don’t have to carry them at all times;

    3) You can use them chip and pin to access all government services - so they would replace passports and driving licences, not augment them;

    4) That you had the power to access all information the government holds on you, and amend it where it is wrong;

    5) That civil servants who access your data are logged, and you can see who they are and why they accessed it;

    6) That if somebody has accessed your data inappropriately you have the right to take legal action against them, funded by the government.

    And numbers 4-6 will not happen while any civil servant breathes air.

    So - I oppose them.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/3389196#Comment_3389196
    The problem is you can't trust anyone to keep their promises. They might guarantee all of those points today, and then in 5 or 10 years time they change their mind.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,760
    The problem seems to be that as other routes see falls , the smugglers try and find different ones .

    The overall total has fallen but new routes seem to open up as others see better enforcement .

    https://www.frontex.europa.eu/media-centre/news/news-release/eu-external-borders-irregular-crossings-down-18-in-the-first-7-months-of-2025-ArNz2R
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,901
    edited August 14
    edit
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,383
    One of the strangest sport streaks continues. The Ding curse now at 23 matches.
    That is. The player who beats Ding Junhui loses his next game.
    Spooky.
    Well. Highly statistically improbable really.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,383
    The sheer amount of AI slop is tedious in the extreme.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,642
    nico67 said:

    The problem seems to be that as other routes see falls , the smugglers try and find different ones .

    The overall total has fallen but new routes seem to open up as others see better enforcement .

    https://www.frontex.europa.eu/media-centre/news/news-release/eu-external-borders-irregular-crossings-down-18-in-the-first-7-months-of-2025-ArNz2R

    Irregular crossings toward the UK via the Channel up a quarter this year.

    Smash the gangs!
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,382
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    JK Rowling has reviewed Nippy's book...

    This bombast is likely to shock some of my liberal London friends who’ve frequently told me, especially during the pandemic, how lucky I was to have such an an earnest, down-to-earth leader in charge. They, of course, were subject to the whims of the then prime minister Boris Johnson, who could have been replaced with three ferrets in a sack and the only change would have been a slight increase in decisiveness and gravitas, so, to them, Sturgeon seemed a paragon of sober governance, treating Scotland to almost nightly presidential-style podium appearances in which she delivered admonitions with an appropriately dour countenance.

    Her English fans can’t be expected to know about every single clusterfuck over which the supposedly competent Sturgeon presided, and they certainly won’t find out about them from Frankly.


    https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/the-twilight-of-nicola-sturgeon-j-k-rowling-reviews-frankly/

    Pottermouth...
    There's a spell for that!
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,978
    vino said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Jenrick has done an amazing tweet


    "As the sun rose over Dunkirk, I called the French police. Ten hours of tracking had established that a group of migrants were hiding in a cemetery just yards from the beach, waiting to cross the Channel.

    Surely this was the moment for the authorities to sweep the beach or search the streets to find the migrants and their smugglers? You know, to “smash the gang” I had found.

    “I will pass it on,” came the first response. I pressed - this was urgent. “The police will probably not come,” the 112 handler said, dismissively. No further details sought. No interest shown.

    I’d come to northern France to see for myself what is really happening as Channel crossings surge and communities back home bear the intolerable consequences of broken borders. Just me and a cameraman - no French minders, no protection.

    What I saw in the camps, streets, and beaches was sickening. The reality is worse than I have ever seen. The whole racket is a disgrace, and the French are aiding and abetting it.

    Take the camp near Loon-Plage: half a mile from tidy villages sits a lawless, dangerous space. Someone was shot dead there last month; stabbings are common. It is strewn with litter, ramshackle tents, and menace. Almost all the migrants are young men. They sit on the ground, scrolling their smartphones, waiting. No police. No officials.

    Those willing to speak were clear: they are coming to the UK for jobs, housing, benefits, and free healthcare. None said they were fleeing persecution - they are already in France. None had a trade or profession to offer. They will be a huge strain on already struggling UK public services.

    Some were polite; others threatened violence. One man pressed his face close, telling me to leave. Another began hurling glass bottles - one smashing beside me, another flying past my head.

    Do you want men like this in your community? I don’t. For saying this, I’ve been called a “xenophobe” on the BBC. But I doubt those levelling that smear have been to this camp, seen those men, and imagined them outside their children’s school gates. This is a national security emergency.

    And the French? We’ve given them £800m and get dismal theatre in return. They could stop this tomorrow. Instead, they stick two fingers up at Britain - and literally bus illegal migrants towards the beaches.

    [snip]."


    Like it or not, that is brilliantly written and profoundly persuasive

    This shit is going to put Labour under 10%


    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1956072961687085059

    It’s hardly a surprise is it? The French don’t want them, they don’t want to be in France and we are fools to pay the French a bean.
    Why don't the French stop them entering France in the first place?
    The Schengen Area?
    Why don't the outer Schengen countries stop them entering? 'Cos they are going to Frabce
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,505
    edited August 14

    Leon said:

    Jenrick has done an amazing tweet


    "As the sun rose over Dunkirk, I called the French police. Ten hours of tracking had established that a group of migrants were hiding in a cemetery just yards from the beach, waiting to cross the Channel.

    Surely this was the moment for the authorities to sweep the beach or search the streets to find the migrants and their smugglers? You know, to “smash the gang” I had found.

    “I will pass it on,” came the first response. I pressed - this was urgent. “The police will probably not come,” the 112 handler said, dismissively. No further details sought. No interest shown.

    I’d come to northern France to see for myself what is really happening as Channel crossings surge and communities back home bear the intolerable consequences of broken borders. Just me and a cameraman - no French minders, no protection.

    What I saw in the camps, streets, and beaches was sickening. The reality is worse than I have ever seen. The whole racket is a disgrace, and the French are aiding and abetting it.

    Take the camp near Loon-Plage: half a mile from tidy villages sits a lawless, dangerous space. Someone was shot dead there last month; stabbings are common. It is strewn with litter, ramshackle tents, and menace. Almost all the migrants are young men. They sit on the ground, scrolling their smartphones, waiting. No police. No officials.

    Those willing to speak were clear: they are coming to the UK for jobs, housing, benefits, and free healthcare. None said they were fleeing persecution - they are already in France. None had a trade or profession to offer. They will be a huge strain on already struggling UK public services.

    Some were polite; others threatened violence. One man pressed his face close, telling me to leave. Another began hurling glass bottles - one smashing beside me, another flying past my head.

    Do you want men like this in your community? I don’t. For saying this, I’ve been called a “xenophobe” on the BBC. But I doubt those levelling that smear have been to this camp, seen those men, and imagined them outside their children’s school gates. This is a national security emergency.

    And the French? We’ve given them £800m and get dismal theatre in return. They could stop this tomorrow. Instead, they stick two fingers up at Britain - and literally bus illegal migrants towards the beaches.

    [snip]."


    Like it or not, that is brilliantly written and profoundly persuasive

    This shit is going to put Labour under 10%


    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1956072961687085059

    It’s hardly a surprise is it? The French don’t want them, they don’t want to be in France and we are fools to pay the French a bean.
    Just wait until you learn how much we paid the dodgy as f*** government in Rwanda.
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Jenrick has done an amazing tweet


    "As the sun rose over Dunkirk, I called the French police. Ten hours of tracking had established that a group of migrants were hiding in a cemetery just yards from the beach, waiting to cross the Channel.

    Surely this was the moment for the authorities to sweep the beach or search the streets to find the migrants and their smugglers? You know, to “smash the gang” I had found.

    “I will pass it on,” came the first response. I pressed - this was urgent. “The police will probably not come,” the 112 handler said, dismissively. No further details sought. No interest shown.

    I’d come to northern France to see for myself what is really happening as Channel crossings surge and communities back home bear the intolerable consequences of broken borders. Just me and a cameraman - no French minders, no protection.

    What I saw in the camps, streets, and beaches was sickening. The reality is worse than I have ever seen. The whole racket is a disgrace, and the French are aiding and abetting it.

    Take the camp near Loon-Plage: half a mile from tidy villages sits a lawless, dangerous space. Someone was shot dead there last month; stabbings are common. It is strewn with litter, ramshackle tents, and menace. Almost all the migrants are young men. They sit on the ground, scrolling their smartphones, waiting. No police. No officials.

    Those willing to speak were clear: they are coming to the UK for jobs, housing, benefits, and free healthcare. None said they were fleeing persecution - they are already in France. None had a trade or profession to offer. They will be a huge strain on already struggling UK public services.

    Some were polite; others threatened violence. One man pressed his face close, telling me to leave. Another began hurling glass bottles - one smashing beside me, another flying past my head.

    Do you want men like this in your community? I don’t. For saying this, I’ve been called a “xenophobe” on the BBC. But I doubt those levelling that smear have been to this camp, seen those men, and imagined them outside their children’s school gates. This is a national security emergency.

    And the French? We’ve given them £800m and get dismal theatre in return. They could stop this tomorrow. Instead, they stick two fingers up at Britain - and literally bus illegal migrants towards the beaches.

    [snip]."


    Like it or not, that is brilliantly written and profoundly persuasive

    This shit is going to put Labour under 10%


    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1956072961687085059

    It’s hardly a surprise is it? The French don’t want them, they don’t want to be in France and we are fools to pay the French a bean.
    Why don't the French stop them entering France in the first place?
    Just wait until you see the size of the land borders with France and freedom of movement through the EU and Schengen. Freedom of movement throughout Europe? Something the Asylum Seekers seem to be able to complete with impunity, whilst I cannot.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,079
    isam said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jenrick has done an amazing tweet


    "As the sun rose over Dunkirk, I called the French police. Ten hours of tracking had established that a group of migrants were hiding in a cemetery just yards from the beach, waiting to cross the Channel.

    Surely this was the moment for the authorities to sweep the beach or search the streets to find the migrants and their smugglers? You know, to “smash the gang” I had found.

    “I will pass it on,” came the first response. I pressed - this was urgent. “The police will probably not come,” the 112 handler said, dismissively. No further details sought. No interest shown.

    I’d come to northern France to see for myself what is really happening as Channel crossings surge and communities back home bear the intolerable consequences of broken borders. Just me and a cameraman - no French minders, no protection.

    What I saw in the camps, streets, and beaches was sickening. The reality is worse than I have ever seen. The whole racket is a disgrace, and the French are aiding and abetting it.

    Take the camp near Loon-Plage: half a mile from tidy villages sits a lawless, dangerous space. Someone was shot dead there last month; stabbings are common. It is strewn with litter, ramshackle tents, and menace. Almost all the migrants are young men. They sit on the ground, scrolling their smartphones, waiting. No police. No officials.

    Those willing to speak were clear: they are coming to the UK for jobs, housing, benefits, and free healthcare. None said they were fleeing persecution - they are already in France. None had a trade or profession to offer. They will be a huge strain on already struggling UK public services.

    Some were polite; others threatened violence. One man pressed his face close, telling me to leave. Another began hurling glass bottles - one smashing beside me, another flying past my head.

    Do you want men like this in your community? I don’t. For saying this, I’ve been called a “xenophobe” on the BBC. But I doubt those levelling that smear have been to this camp, seen those men, and imagined them outside their children’s school gates. This is a national security emergency.

    And the French? We’ve given them £800m and get dismal theatre in return. They could stop this tomorrow. Instead, they stick two fingers up at Britain - and literally bus illegal migrants towards the beaches.

    [snip]."


    Like it or not, that is brilliantly written and profoundly persuasive

    This shit is going to put Labour under 10%


    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1956072961687085059

    It’s hardly a surprise is it? The French don’t want them, they don’t want to be in France and we are fools to pay the French a bean.
    Of course it's not a surprise

    The surprise is that a non-Reform politician has the guts and nous to get out there, film this, do this, write about it, and do it SO WELL. Moreover, he is right. this is now approaching a national emergency, and Starmer and Labour are clearly, utterly incapable of addressing it

    The Tories need to junk Badenoch ASAP and get Jenrick in, and then do a deal with Farage if necessary. This is going beyond party interest, this is vital to us all
    It is surreal that this is actually happening, and three quarters of the country aren’t storming the streets with pitchforks. I am quite vocal on here about it, but I don’t actually do anything other than vote for Reform. If Nick Griffin had said it would happen fifteen years ago he’d have been shot down in flames. It is worthy of the phrase “We must be mad, literally mad”
    Coz if we are too vocal about it, we either get arrested, out there, or banned, on here

    But this will not hold. The dam is now clearly breaking. Probably the best outcome we can hope for is a Reform government, because beyond that it gets very scary very quickly
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,901
    Average last 10 polls

    Ref 30.5%
    Lab 21.2%
    Con 17.9%
    LD 13.5%
    Grn 8.6%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2025
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,079
    Andy_JS said:

    Average last 10 polls

    Ref 30.5%
    Lab 21.2%
    Con 17.9%
    LD 13.5%
    Grn 8.6%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2025

    I wonder if your hunch is right and we might see Labour slip into the teens and maybe into 3rd place

    I had tea with my agent today, one of the smartest people I know. She's always been quite right wing but wow. today, my god. The scorn she poured on Labour was medal-winning, and these days she does not hold back as she once would have, even a couple of years ago

    She reserved particular contempt for Rachel Reeves and her parliamentrary blubbing

  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,202
    dixiedean said:

    The sheer amount of AI slop is tedious in the extreme.

    Cheap though. And that's the main thing.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,079
    dixiedean said:

    The sheer amount of AI slop is tedious in the extreme.

    You will have to be a tad more specific, old bean
  • isamisam Posts: 42,310
    edited August 14
    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jenrick has done an amazing tweet


    "As the sun rose over Dunkirk, I called the French police. Ten hours of tracking had established that a group of migrants were hiding in a cemetery just yards from the beach, waiting to cross the Channel.

    Surely this was the moment for the authorities to sweep the beach or search the streets to find the migrants and their smugglers? You know, to “smash the gang” I had found.

    “I will pass it on,” came the first response. I pressed - this was urgent. “The police will probably not come,” the 112 handler said, dismissively. No further details sought. No interest shown.

    I’d come to northern France to see for myself what is really happening as Channel crossings surge and communities back home bear the intolerable consequences of broken borders. Just me and a cameraman - no French minders, no protection.

    What I saw in the camps, streets, and beaches was sickening. The reality is worse than I have ever seen. The whole racket is a disgrace, and the French are aiding and abetting it.

    Take the camp near Loon-Plage: half a mile from tidy villages sits a lawless, dangerous space. Someone was shot dead there last month; stabbings are common. It is strewn with litter, ramshackle tents, and menace. Almost all the migrants are young men. They sit on the ground, scrolling their smartphones, waiting. No police. No officials.

    Those willing to speak were clear: they are coming to the UK for jobs, housing, benefits, and free healthcare. None said they were fleeing persecution - they are already in France. None had a trade or profession to offer. They will be a huge strain on already struggling UK public services.

    Some were polite; others threatened violence. One man pressed his face close, telling me to leave. Another began hurling glass bottles - one smashing beside me, another flying past my head.

    Do you want men like this in your community? I don’t. For saying this, I’ve been called a “xenophobe” on the BBC. But I doubt those levelling that smear have been to this camp, seen those men, and imagined them outside their children’s school gates. This is a national security emergency.

    And the French? We’ve given them £800m and get dismal theatre in return. They could stop this tomorrow. Instead, they stick two fingers up at Britain - and literally bus illegal migrants towards the beaches.

    [snip]."


    Like it or not, that is brilliantly written and profoundly persuasive

    This shit is going to put Labour under 10%


    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1956072961687085059

    It’s hardly a surprise is it? The French don’t want them, they don’t want to be in France and we are fools to pay the French a bean.
    Of course it's not a surprise

    The surprise is that a non-Reform politician has the guts and nous to get out there, film this, do this, write about it, and do it SO WELL. Moreover, he is right. this is now approaching a national emergency, and Starmer and Labour are clearly, utterly incapable of addressing it

    The Tories need to junk Badenoch ASAP and get Jenrick in, and then do a deal with Farage if necessary. This is going beyond party interest, this is vital to us all
    It is surreal that this is actually happening, and three quarters of the country aren’t storming the streets with pitchforks. I am quite vocal on here about it, but I don’t actually do anything other than vote for Reform. If Nick Griffin had said it would happen fifteen years ago he’d have been shot down in flames. It is worthy of the phrase “We must be mad, literally mad”
    Coz if we are too vocal about it, we either get arrested, out there, or banned, on here

    But this will not hold. The dam is now clearly breaking. Probably the best outcome we can hope for is a Reform government, because beyond that it gets very scary very quickly
    I referenced Enoch Powell’s speech, and the more I think about the boat people, it occurs to me that you could repeat Powell’s Rovers of Blood/Birmingham speech almost word for word and use it about the illegal immigrants on small boats. Insane to think that he was just talking about regular immigrants who had been living in former British colonies and were for all intents and purposes British anyway. How times change
  • vinovino Posts: 194

    vino said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Jenrick has done an amazing tweet


    "As the sun rose over Dunkirk, I called the French police. Ten hours of tracking had established that a group of migrants were hiding in a cemetery just yards from the beach, waiting to cross the Channel.

    Surely this was the moment for the authorities to sweep the beach or search the streets to find the migrants and their smugglers? You know, to “smash the gang” I had found.

    “I will pass it on,” came the first response. I pressed - this was urgent. “The police will probably not come,” the 112 handler said, dismissively. No further details sought. No interest shown.

    I’d come to northern France to see for myself what is really happening as Channel crossings surge and communities back home bear the intolerable consequences of broken borders. Just me and a cameraman - no French minders, no protection.

    What I saw in the camps, streets, and beaches was sickening. The reality is worse than I have ever seen. The whole racket is a disgrace, and the French are aiding and abetting it.

    Take the camp near Loon-Plage: half a mile from tidy villages sits a lawless, dangerous space. Someone was shot dead there last month; stabbings are common. It is strewn with litter, ramshackle tents, and menace. Almost all the migrants are young men. They sit on the ground, scrolling their smartphones, waiting. No police. No officials.

    Those willing to speak were clear: they are coming to the UK for jobs, housing, benefits, and free healthcare. None said they were fleeing persecution - they are already in France. None had a trade or profession to offer. They will be a huge strain on already struggling UK public services.

    Some were polite; others threatened violence. One man pressed his face close, telling me to leave. Another began hurling glass bottles - one smashing beside me, another flying past my head.

    Do you want men like this in your community? I don’t. For saying this, I’ve been called a “xenophobe” on the BBC. But I doubt those levelling that smear have been to this camp, seen those men, and imagined them outside their children’s school gates. This is a national security emergency.

    And the French? We’ve given them £800m and get dismal theatre in return. They could stop this tomorrow. Instead, they stick two fingers up at Britain - and literally bus illegal migrants towards the beaches.

    [snip]."


    Like it or not, that is brilliantly written and profoundly persuasive

    This shit is going to put Labour under 10%


    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1956072961687085059

    It’s hardly a surprise is it? The French don’t want them, they don’t want to be in France and we are fools to pay the French a bean.
    Why don't the French stop them entering France in the first place?
    The Schengen Area?
    Why don't the outer Schengen countries stop them entering? 'Cos they are going to Frabce
    Would it be a better use of our resources to give the £800 million that we give to France to give it to Greece, Italy & Spain?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,901
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Average last 10 polls

    Ref 30.5%
    Lab 21.2%
    Con 17.9%
    LD 13.5%
    Grn 8.6%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2025

    I wonder if your hunch is right and we might see Labour slip into the teens and maybe into 3rd place

    I had tea with my agent today, one of the smartest people I know. She's always been quite right wing but wow. today, my god. The scorn she poured on Labour was medal-winning, and these days she does not hold back as she once would have, even a couple of years ago

    She reserved particular contempt for Rachel Reeves and her parliamentrary blubbing

    Interesting.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,995
    KnightOut said:

    stodge said:



    Once the Referendum was lost and Cameron walked, it was the turn of those in the Conservative side who had never wanted the Coalition to take their revenge and Osborne was unceremoniously sacked by Theresa May. That was the end of his political career and a tenure as Editor of the Evening Standard wasn't a great success.

    I hope that one day we learn what really happened behind the scenes; the way in which May unceremoniously destroyed Osborne and salted the earth so he couldn't return was out of character for her and not consistent with any ideological allegiances. He was still very young for a chancellor and had a lot more to offer the party and the country.

    There must've been something 'personal' behind it all. Some irrational, pathological hatred somewhere in there, for reasons we don't yet know.
    Osbourne could have returned, but he decided to flounce.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,539
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Jenrick has done an amazing tweet


    "As the sun rose over Dunkirk, I called the French police. Ten hours of tracking had established that a group of migrants were hiding in a cemetery just yards from the beach, waiting to cross the Channel.

    Surely this was the moment for the authorities to sweep the beach or search the streets to find the migrants and their smugglers? You know, to “smash the gang” I had found.

    “I will pass it on,” came the first response. I pressed - this was urgent. “The police will probably not come,” the 112 handler said, dismissively. No further details sought. No interest shown.

    I’d come to northern France to see for myself what is really happening as Channel crossings surge and communities back home bear the intolerable consequences of broken borders. Just me and a cameraman - no French minders, no protection.

    What I saw in the camps, streets, and beaches was sickening. The reality is worse than I have ever seen. The whole racket is a disgrace, and the French are aiding and abetting it.

    Take the camp near Loon-Plage: half a mile from tidy villages sits a lawless, dangerous space. Someone was shot dead there last month; stabbings are common. It is strewn with litter, ramshackle tents, and menace. Almost all the migrants are young men. They sit on the ground, scrolling their smartphones, waiting. No police. No officials.

    Those willing to speak were clear: they are coming to the UK for jobs, housing, benefits, and free healthcare. None said they were fleeing persecution - they are already in France. None had a trade or profession to offer. They will be a huge strain on already struggling UK public services.

    Some were polite; others threatened violence. One man pressed his face close, telling me to leave. Another began hurling glass bottles - one smashing beside me, another flying past my head.

    Do you want men like this in your community? I don’t. For saying this, I’ve been called a “xenophobe” on the BBC. But I doubt those levelling that smear have been to this camp, seen those men, and imagined them outside their children’s school gates. This is a national security emergency.

    And the French? We’ve given them £800m and get dismal theatre in return. They could stop this tomorrow. Instead, they stick two fingers up at Britain - and literally bus illegal migrants towards the beaches.

    [snip]."


    Like it or not, that is brilliantly written and profoundly persuasive

    This shit is going to put Labour under 10%


    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1956072961687085059

    It’s hardly a surprise is it? The French don’t want them, they don’t want to be in France and we are fools to pay the French a bean.
    Of course it's not a surprise

    The surprise is that a non-Reform politician has the guts and nous to get out there, film this, do this, write about it, and do it SO WELL. Moreover, he is right. this is now approaching a national emergency, and Starmer and Labour are clearly, utterly incapable of addressing it

    The Tories need to junk Badenoch ASAP and get Jenrick in, and then do a deal with Farage if necessary. This is going beyond party interest, this is vital to us all
    A good article by Jenrick but where is the poll evidence he will win back voters already supporting Farage?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522
    Andy_JS said:

    Average last 10 polls

    Ref 30.5%
    Lab 21.2%
    Con 17.9%
    LD 13.5%
    Grn 8.6%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2025

    Reform peaking?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,901
    edited August 14
    It would be interesting to know what Reform's support is like with working-class voters in England (regardless of ethnicity, religion, gender, etc).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,539
    viewcode said:
    Midterms are never decided by who the opposition party's candidates are, they are almost always decided by the approval rating of the President of the day and his party
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,539
    Andy_JS said:

    It would be interesting to know what Reform's support is like with working-class voters in England (regardless of ethnicity, religion, gender, etc).

    36% almost 20% ahead of the Tories and Labour, Labour still lead Reform with middle class ABC1s though
    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/voting-intention?crossBreak=abc1
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,168
    I approve this message.

    Also, the midpoint of the century is just 25 years away, WHAT THE FUCK
    https://x.com/Noahpinion/status/1956075213185278385
  • Leon said:

    Jenrick has done an amazing tweet


    "As the sun rose over Dunkirk, I called the French police. Ten hours of tracking had established that a group of migrants were hiding in a cemetery just yards from the beach, waiting to cross the Channel.

    Surely this was the moment for the authorities to sweep the beach or search the streets to find the migrants and their smugglers? You know, to “smash the gang” I had found.

    “I will pass it on,” came the first response. I pressed - this was urgent. “The police will probably not come,” the 112 handler said, dismissively. No further details sought. No interest shown.

    I’d come to northern France to see for myself what is really happening as Channel crossings surge and communities back home bear the intolerable consequences of broken borders. Just me and a cameraman - no French minders, no protection.

    What I saw in the camps, streets, and beaches was sickening. The reality is worse than I have ever seen. The whole racket is a disgrace, and the French are aiding and abetting it.

    Take the camp near Loon-Plage: half a mile from tidy villages sits a lawless, dangerous space. Someone was shot dead there last month; stabbings are common. It is strewn with litter, ramshackle tents, and menace. Almost all the migrants are young men. They sit on the ground, scrolling their smartphones, waiting. No police. No officials.

    Those willing to speak were clear: they are coming to the UK for jobs, housing, benefits, and free healthcare. None said they were fleeing persecution - they are already in France. None had a trade or profession to offer. They will be a huge strain on already struggling UK public services.

    Some were polite; others threatened violence. One man pressed his face close, telling me to leave. Another began hurling glass bottles - one smashing beside me, another flying past my head.

    Do you want men like this in your community? I don’t. For saying this, I’ve been called a “xenophobe” on the BBC. But I doubt those levelling that smear have been to this camp, seen those men, and imagined them outside their children’s school gates. This is a national security emergency.

    And the French? We’ve given them £800m and get dismal theatre in return. They could stop this tomorrow. Instead, they stick two fingers up at Britain - and literally bus illegal migrants towards the beaches.

    [snip]."


    Like it or not, that is brilliantly written and profoundly persuasive

    This shit is going to put Labour under 10%


    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1956072961687085059

    It’s hardly a surprise is it? The French don’t want them, they don’t want to be in France and we are fools to pay the French a bean.
    Just wait until you learn how much we paid the dodgy as f*** government in Rwanda.
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Jenrick has done an amazing tweet


    "As the sun rose over Dunkirk, I called the French police. Ten hours of tracking had established that a group of migrants were hiding in a cemetery just yards from the beach, waiting to cross the Channel.

    Surely this was the moment for the authorities to sweep the beach or search the streets to find the migrants and their smugglers? You know, to “smash the gang” I had found.

    “I will pass it on,” came the first response. I pressed - this was urgent. “The police will probably not come,” the 112 handler said, dismissively. No further details sought. No interest shown.

    I’d come to northern France to see for myself what is really happening as Channel crossings surge and communities back home bear the intolerable consequences of broken borders. Just me and a cameraman - no French minders, no protection.

    What I saw in the camps, streets, and beaches was sickening. The reality is worse than I have ever seen. The whole racket is a disgrace, and the French are aiding and abetting it.

    Take the camp near Loon-Plage: half a mile from tidy villages sits a lawless, dangerous space. Someone was shot dead there last month; stabbings are common. It is strewn with litter, ramshackle tents, and menace. Almost all the migrants are young men. They sit on the ground, scrolling their smartphones, waiting. No police. No officials.

    Those willing to speak were clear: they are coming to the UK for jobs, housing, benefits, and free healthcare. None said they were fleeing persecution - they are already in France. None had a trade or profession to offer. They will be a huge strain on already struggling UK public services.

    Some were polite; others threatened violence. One man pressed his face close, telling me to leave. Another began hurling glass bottles - one smashing beside me, another flying past my head.

    Do you want men like this in your community? I don’t. For saying this, I’ve been called a “xenophobe” on the BBC. But I doubt those levelling that smear have been to this camp, seen those men, and imagined them outside their children’s school gates. This is a national security emergency.

    And the French? We’ve given them £800m and get dismal theatre in return. They could stop this tomorrow. Instead, they stick two fingers up at Britain - and literally bus illegal migrants towards the beaches.

    [snip]."


    Like it or not, that is brilliantly written and profoundly persuasive

    This shit is going to put Labour under 10%


    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1956072961687085059

    It’s hardly a surprise is it? The French don’t want them, they don’t want to be in France and we are fools to pay the French a bean.
    Why don't the French stop them entering France in the first place?
    Just wait until you see the size of the land borders with France and freedom of movement through the EU and Schengen. Freedom of movement throughout Europe? Something the Asylum Seekers seem to be able to complete with impunity, whilst I cannot.
    The Rwandan government took everyone we sent to them.

    The policy didn't work because of our side, not theirs.
  • Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Average last 10 polls

    Ref 30.5%
    Lab 21.2%
    Con 17.9%
    LD 13.5%
    Grn 8.6%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2025

    I wonder if your hunch is right and we might see Labour slip into the teens and maybe into 3rd place

    I had tea with my agent today, one of the smartest people I know. She's always been quite right wing but wow. today, my god. The scorn she poured on Labour was medal-winning, and these days she does not hold back as she once would have, even a couple of years ago

    She reserved particular contempt for Rachel Reeves and her parliamentrary blubbing

    I am shocked, shocked, by this revelation that you spoke to someone unnamed who shared your political views.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,901

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Average last 10 polls

    Ref 30.5%
    Lab 21.2%
    Con 17.9%
    LD 13.5%
    Grn 8.6%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2025

    I wonder if your hunch is right and we might see Labour slip into the teens and maybe into 3rd place

    I had tea with my agent today, one of the smartest people I know. She's always been quite right wing but wow. today, my god. The scorn she poured on Labour was medal-winning, and these days she does not hold back as she once would have, even a couple of years ago

    She reserved particular contempt for Rachel Reeves and her parliamentrary blubbing

    I am shocked, shocked, by this revelation that you spoke to someone unnamed who shared your political views.
    30% is quite a lot of people.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,801
    edited August 14
    This is a genius social media account,

    https://x.com/DiaperDiplomacy

    e.g.
    "Colbert has no talent. Fallon has no talent. Kimmel has no talent." – Trump In Brutal Oval Office Comedy Purge
    https://x.com/DiaperDiplomacy/status/1953565068203110655

    It is funnier than all of the US late night hosts put together.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,079
    edited August 14

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Average last 10 polls

    Ref 30.5%
    Lab 21.2%
    Con 17.9%
    LD 13.5%
    Grn 8.6%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2025

    I wonder if your hunch is right and we might see Labour slip into the teens and maybe into 3rd place

    I had tea with my agent today, one of the smartest people I know. She's always been quite right wing but wow. today, my god. The scorn she poured on Labour was medal-winning, and these days she does not hold back as she once would have, even a couple of years ago

    She reserved particular contempt for Rachel Reeves and her parliamentrary blubbing

    I am shocked, shocked, by this revelation that you spoke to someone unnamed who shared your political views.
    Well yesterday I had drinks with a lefty friend who thinks I am wrong about absolutely everything, including facts I can prove by googling them in front of him

    So, there's that

    Believe it or not, I do not lie about these anecdotal encounters. I do not see the point. I want to add to the store of info on the site, and I candidly tell what I hear and see

    I do lie the fuck out of other stuff, but generally for shits and gigs
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,168
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Average last 10 polls

    Ref 30.5%
    Lab 21.2%
    Con 17.9%
    LD 13.5%
    Grn 8.6%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2025

    I wonder if your hunch is right and we might see Labour slip into the teens and maybe into 3rd place

    I had tea with my agent today, one of the smartest people I know. She's always been quite right wing but wow. today, my god. The scorn she poured on Labour was medal-winning, and these days she does not hold back as she once would have, even a couple of years ago

    She reserved particular contempt for Rachel Reeves and her parliamentrary blubbing

    I am shocked, shocked, by this revelation that you spoke to someone unnamed who shared your political views.
    Well yesterday I had drinks with a lefty friend who thinks I am wrong about absolutely everything, including facts I can prove by googling them in front of him

    So, there's that

    Believe it or not, I do not lie about these anecdotal encounters. I do not see the point. I want to add to the store of info on the site, and I candidly tell what I hear and see

    I do lie the fuck out of other stuff, but generally for shits and gigs
    I'm not sure what point either if you is making.

    "My right wing mate agrees with me" isn't something Barty should be wasting his time challenging.

    Or something you should be wasting ours with ?
  • vinovino Posts: 194
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Average last 10 polls

    Ref 30.5%
    Lab 21.2%
    Con 17.9%
    LD 13.5%
    Grn 8.6%

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election#2025

    I wonder if your hunch is right and we might see Labour slip into the teens and maybe into 3rd place

    I had tea with my agent today, one of the smartest people I know. She's always been quite right wing but wow. today, my god. The scorn she poured on Labour was medal-winning, and these days she does not hold back as she once would have, even a couple of years ago

    She reserved particular contempt for Rachel Reeves and her parliamentrary blubbing

    I am shocked, shocked, by this revelation that you spoke to someone unnamed who shared your political views.
    30% is quite a lot of people.
    Depends on their turnout at elections - don't forget turnout at the GE2024 was under 60% so if Reform Votes are 10 out of 10 voters it could be crucial.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,901
    Cardiff, Grangetown

    Green gain from Lab

    YOUDE - Green Party 818 ELECTED
    CHOWDHRY - Welsh Labour 774
    ROBERTS - Plaid Cymru 639
    MARTIN - Reform UK 495
    YEWLETT - Propel: Stand Up for Cardiff 327
    ABDI SAMATER - Independent 156
    HAMBLIN - Welsh Conservative Party 139
    LATIF - Welsh Liberal Democrats 63

    Grn 23.98%
    Lab 22.69%
    PC 18.73%
    Ref 14.51%
    Propel 9.59%
    Ind Samater 4.57%
    Con 4.08%
    LD 1.85%
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359
    Andy_JS said:

    Cardiff, Grangetown

    Green gain from Lab

    YOUDE - Green Party 818 ELECTED
    CHOWDHRY - Welsh Labour 774
    ROBERTS - Plaid Cymru 639
    MARTIN - Reform UK 495
    YEWLETT - Propel: Stand Up for Cardiff 327
    ABDI SAMATER - Independent 156
    HAMBLIN - Welsh Conservative Party 139
    LATIF - Welsh Liberal Democrats 63

    Grn 23.98%
    Lab 22.69%
    PC 18.73%
    Ref 14.51%
    Propel 9.59%
    Ind Samater 4.57%
    Con 4.08%
    LD 1.85%

    Thats a shocker of a result for Labour. Reform not dojng as well in Cardiff as suspected, Greens look very good for picking up an MS in Caerdydd Penarth.......
    Newcastle counts tomorrow
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,901
    Andy_JS said:

    Cardiff, Grangetown

    Green gain from Lab

    YOUDE - Green Party 818 ELECTED
    CHOWDHRY - Welsh Labour 774
    ROBERTS - Plaid Cymru 639
    MARTIN - Reform UK 495
    YEWLETT - Propel: Stand Up for Cardiff 327
    ABDI SAMATER - Independent 156
    HAMBLIN - Welsh Conservative Party 139
    LATIF - Welsh Liberal Democrats 63

    Grn 23.98%
    Lab 22.69%
    PC 18.73%
    Ref 14.51%
    Propel 9.59%
    Ind Samater 4.57%
    Con 4.08%
    LD 1.85%

    Changes compared to April 2024 by-election

    Lab -24.82%
    Ref +14.51% (didn't stand last time)
    Propel +0.15%
    Ind Samater -2.06%
    Con -8.43%
    LD -2.13%

    Grn/PC received 42.71% this time as separate candidates compared to 18.52% as a combined candidate previously, which is +24.19%.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,901
    edited August 14

    Andy_JS said:

    Cardiff, Grangetown

    Green gain from Lab

    YOUDE - Green Party 818 ELECTED
    CHOWDHRY - Welsh Labour 774
    ROBERTS - Plaid Cymru 639
    MARTIN - Reform UK 495
    YEWLETT - Propel: Stand Up for Cardiff 327
    ABDI SAMATER - Independent 156
    HAMBLIN - Welsh Conservative Party 139
    LATIF - Welsh Liberal Democrats 63

    Grn 23.98%
    Lab 22.69%
    PC 18.73%
    Ref 14.51%
    Propel 9.59%
    Ind Samater 4.57%
    Con 4.08%
    LD 1.85%

    Thats a shocker of a result for Labour. Reform not dojng as well in Cardiff as suspected, Greens look very good for picking up an MS in Caerdydd Penarth.......
    Newcastle counts tomorrow
    Would you expect Reform to do well in this ward? It's much more like potential Green territory.

    https://citypopulation.de/en/uk/wales/admin/cardiff/W04000847__grangetown
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Cardiff, Grangetown

    Green gain from Lab

    YOUDE - Green Party 818 ELECTED
    CHOWDHRY - Welsh Labour 774
    ROBERTS - Plaid Cymru 639
    MARTIN - Reform UK 495
    YEWLETT - Propel: Stand Up for Cardiff 327
    ABDI SAMATER - Independent 156
    HAMBLIN - Welsh Conservative Party 139
    LATIF - Welsh Liberal Democrats 63

    Grn 23.98%
    Lab 22.69%
    PC 18.73%
    Ref 14.51%
    Propel 9.59%
    Ind Samater 4.57%
    Con 4.08%
    LD 1.85%

    Thats a shocker of a result for Labour. Reform not dojng as well in Cardiff as suspected, Greens look very good for picking up an MS in Caerdydd Penarth.......
    Newcastle counts tomorrow
    Would you expect Reform to do well in this ward? It's much more like potential Green territory.

    https://citypopulation.de/en/uk/wales/admin/cardiff/W04000847__grangetown
    No, but its a good example of the sort of ward where their recent surge falls flat
  • dixiedean said:

    One of the strangest sport streaks continues. The Ding curse now at 23 matches.
    That is. The player who beats Ding Junhui loses his next game.
    Spooky.
    Well. Highly statistically improbable really.

    Assuming it's not all fixed..that would be unknown in snooker no? 😏
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,901
    edited August 14

    dixiedean said:

    One of the strangest sport streaks continues. The Ding curse now at 23 matches.
    That is. The player who beats Ding Junhui loses his next game.
    Spooky.
    Well. Highly statistically improbable really.

    Assuming it's not all fixed..that would be unknown in snooker no? 😏
    It's difficult to imagine anyone even thinking of trying to fix this particular sequence of events. 😊
  • vinovino Posts: 194

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Cardiff, Grangetown

    Green gain from Lab

    YOUDE - Green Party 818 ELECTED
    CHOWDHRY - Welsh Labour 774
    ROBERTS - Plaid Cymru 639
    MARTIN - Reform UK 495
    YEWLETT - Propel: Stand Up for Cardiff 327
    ABDI SAMATER - Independent 156
    HAMBLIN - Welsh Conservative Party 139
    LATIF - Welsh Liberal Democrats 63

    Grn 23.98%
    Lab 22.69%
    PC 18.73%
    Ref 14.51%
    Propel 9.59%
    Ind Samater 4.57%
    Con 4.08%
    LD 1.85%

    Thats a shocker of a result for Labour. Reform not dojng as well in Cardiff as suspected, Greens look very good for picking up an MS in Caerdydd Penarth.......
    Newcastle counts tomorrow
    Would you expect Reform to do well in this ward? It's much more like potential Green territory.

    https://citypopulation.de/en/uk/wales/admin/cardiff/W04000847__grangetown
    No, but its a good example of the sort of ward where their recent surge falls flat
    "Green was the only option for the Labour protest vote here"
    "Demography (eg ethnic make up) shows this was never ideal territory for Reform"
    Both of the above apply to Grangetown
  • vinovino Posts: 194
    Tactical voting works both ways - South Jesmond could be similar
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,901
    vino said:

    Tactical voting works both ways - South Jesmond could be similar

    I think LDs or Greens will win it.
  • vinovino Posts: 194
    Andy_JS said:

    vino said:

    Tactical voting works both ways - South Jesmond could be similar

    I think LDs or Greens will win it.
    Could never vote LD but Green is a classic alternative vote for a Reform voter
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,901
    edited 12:33AM
    vino said:

    Andy_JS said:

    vino said:

    Tactical voting works both ways - South Jesmond could be similar

    I think LDs or Greens will win it.
    Could never vote LD but Green is a classic alternative vote for a Reform voter
    Are you joking? I can't see much crossover between supporters of the Greens and Reform.
  • vinovino Posts: 194
    Andy_JS said:

    vino said:

    Andy_JS said:

    vino said:

    Tactical voting works both ways - South Jesmond could be similar

    I think LDs or Greens will win it.
    Could never vote LD but Green is a classic alternative vote for a Reform voter
    Are you joking? I can't see much crossover between supporters of the Greens and Reform.
    No joking Andy - you perhaps don't speak to many working class Reform voters who know that voting Green will wind Labour,Tories & LDs the most
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,547
    Andy_JS said:

    vino said:

    Andy_JS said:

    vino said:

    Tactical voting works both ways - South Jesmond could be similar

    I think LDs or Greens will win it.
    Could never vote LD but Green is a classic alternative vote for a Reform voter
    Are you joking? I can't see much crossover between supporters of the Greens and Reform.
    Protest votes are not tied to a specific party. Witness the LD to UKIP movement in the mid 2010s.
  • vinovino Posts: 194
    Andy_JS said:

    vino said:

    Andy_JS said:

    vino said:

    Tactical voting works both ways - South Jesmond could be similar

    I think LDs or Greens will win it.
    Could never vote LD but Green is a classic alternative vote for a Reform voter
    Are you joking? I can't see much crossover between supporters of the Greens and Reform.
    Don't forget a Reform voter like me isn't voting for the Green policies but against Labour and the Tories - and there's a few like me
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 789

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Cardiff, Grangetown

    Green gain from Lab

    YOUDE - Green Party 818 ELECTED
    CHOWDHRY - Welsh Labour 774
    ROBERTS - Plaid Cymru 639
    MARTIN - Reform UK 495
    YEWLETT - Propel: Stand Up for Cardiff 327
    ABDI SAMATER - Independent 156
    HAMBLIN - Welsh Conservative Party 139
    LATIF - Welsh Liberal Democrats 63

    Grn 23.98%
    Lab 22.69%
    PC 18.73%
    Ref 14.51%
    Propel 9.59%
    Ind Samater 4.57%
    Con 4.08%
    LD 1.85%

    Thats a shocker of a result for Labour. Reform not dojng as well in Cardiff as suspected, Greens look very good for picking up an MS in Caerdydd Penarth.......
    Newcastle counts tomorrow
    Would you expect Reform to do well in this ward? It's much more like potential Green territory.

    https://citypopulation.de/en/uk/wales/admin/cardiff/W04000847__grangetown
    No, but its a good example of the sort of ward where their recent surge falls flat
    Nobody mentioning Conservatives in 7th place- this must be a record???
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,901
    edited 1:12AM
    The big question.

    "Why do so many of us want to be alone?
    Sean Thomas" (£)

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-do-so-many-of-us-want-to-be-alone

    Note: I think people taking cabs in San Francisco might just be slightly different to people in the UK and Europe in their attitudes to taking cabs with drivers.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,291
    The power of pb! Just two days after @Sunil_Prasannan and @Andy_JS argue about Gants Hill station, citing Geoff Marshall, so the great man uploads a video about Gants Hill station, confirming Sunil's thesis that... well, watch it yourselves:-

    The Iconic 1940s Gants Hill Station
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDOFC_r-erE
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,168
    That Nobel prize is just around the corner.
    This would have been unthinkable just a few years ago.

    Korea faces mounting calls for economic coalition with Japan

    https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/business/companies/20250815/80th-liberation-day-korea-faces-mounting-calls-for-economic-coalition-with-japan
    The proposal to form a coalition with Japan to establish an economic community similar to the European Union sparked a sensation earlier this year, when Korea Chamber of Commerce and Industry and SK Group Chairman Chey Tae-won introduced the idea.

    For Koreans aware that the Empire of Japan used the term "annexation" in the treaty forcibly signed in 1910 to colonize Korea, the concept of a "coalition" with Japan may sound uncomfortable.

    The intensifying U.S. protectionist trade policies under the Donald Trump administration, however, have justified Korea's renewed push for economic integration with Japan, propelling discussions on a free trade agreement (FTA) between the two neighboring Northeast Asian countries...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,994

    The problem with toilets by Lucille Smithson

    How do couples navigate sharing a toilet in the confines of a hotel room?

    Read on Substack
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,801
    edited 4:19AM
    Daily Mail have done a story on Skinner being somewhat economical with the truth e.g. it appears he grew up more Billy Posh than Billy Bosh.

    All a bit unfair to go digging into their childhood like that, he isn't a politician. But it seems that tw@tterati don't like him very much because he said he liked Trump, so they will be piling on again shortly with this new article.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,801
    edited 4:24AM
    rcs1000 said:

    The problem with toilets by Lucille Smithson

    How do couples navigate sharing a toilet in the confines of a hotel room?

    Read on Substack
    I once stayed in a very odd hotel in Germany that had the shower slap bang in the middle of the bedroom in an enclosed glass box raised up on a small platform, with the toilet and hand basin. Now before people get funny ideas it was the sort of hotel SeanT would enjoy, it was a boring business hotel in every other regard. Why there wasn't a partition wall and a traditional bathroom in what was on the large floor plan for a hotel room i.e. not a suite, I have no idea.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,303
    vino said:

    Andy_JS said:

    vino said:

    Andy_JS said:

    vino said:

    Tactical voting works both ways - South Jesmond could be similar

    I think LDs or Greens will win it.
    Could never vote LD but Green is a classic alternative vote for a Reform voter
    Are you joking? I can't see much crossover between supporters of the Greens and Reform.
    No joking Andy - you perhaps don't speak to many working class Reform voters who know that voting Green will wind Labour,Tories & LDs the most
    Utter rubbish. The Greens stand for everything opposed (rightly) by Reform. They are worse than the mainstream parties by a long chalk.
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