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Could one man win both Strictly Come Dancing and the next London mayoral election?

SystemSystem Posts: 12,625
edited August 14 in General
Could one man win both Strictly Come Dancing and the next London mayoral election?– politicalbetting.com

The only man in both the Strictly & London Mayoral Election betting @iamtomskinner To win Strictly – 12/1Next London Mayor – 25/1337/1 double, anyone? https://t.co/JB93t6qmWG

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  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359
    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,095

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,539
    Skinner could win votes on the Essex and Kent borders but hard to see him winning the London Mayoralty overall
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359
    'Strictly superfan'
    Good Lord.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,256
    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,277
    Strictly discussions in mid August? Jeez...

    We've not even finished killing all the grouse yet.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,095

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    Cake baking morons runs it close too
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,256
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    You seem to be moaning a lot about PB recently.

    Please desist.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,966
    Is Skinner going to be the Reform candidate ? First I heard it was Middleton, then Cunningham. Now Skinner ?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,726
    Ladbrokes won't give you that 337/1 double, though, will they. Related events. If Skinner wins Strictly he becomes, by dint of that, more likely to win the Mayoral election. For two reasons. (1) His profile is boosted. (2) He's demonstrated a quality that helps to win either - likeability.

    Who is he btw? No, don't worry, just googled. Oh dear.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,359
    edited August 14
    Hamas terrorists caught posing as aid workers in Gaza. What a surprise.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmmi6fxysXU

    World Central Kitchen charity said that they had no workers in that area at the time.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,838

    Strictly discussions in mid August? Jeez...

    We've not even finished killing all the grouse yet.

    Or, indeed, grousing about all the killings in various parts of the world.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,099
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    While waiting for a plumber who is stuck in traffic, I'm watching Crown Court on Talking Pictures TV.

    The best 90 minutes viewing for years - classic British television from the 1970s. Today's defendant and her three lovers, none of whom was aware of the others - brilliant. Richard Wilson as the prosecuting barrister.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,582
    edited August 14
    kinabalu said:

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    Leon said:

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    Leon said:

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    Leon said:

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    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

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    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Fpt from @IanB2

    “I have taken a break precisely because I got fed up with wading through Leon’s shit; most of the content he spams into this forum nowadays consists either of repetitive bigoted vomit, self-obsessed wank, or gratuitous abuse. There is no analysis or intelligence or insight, at all. Day after day, it just becomes tiresome; PB should be about more than one man’s lifelong attempt to compensate for his under-endowment.

    In no way can my absence be interpreted as any support whatsoever for Leon’s thesis that he’s the only racist left in the village.

    I saw Leon’s photos of his bits and bobs from across the world; the most valuable souvenir you can get from any travel is a broader perspective, yet it is the one thing that he never manages to bring home.”

    That’s all well and good, but on the upside I got you to shut up and leave, so it’s kinda swings and roundabouts?

    FPT from Dura - "see you tomorrow".
    I never flounced! I just said PB is in decline, which it is

    On reflection I think it might be inevitable. The site was founded in the noughties, we’ve been here twenty years and we’ve all gotten a lot older (me included). Some of us have literally died. So the decay in commentary value is baked in: we simply don’t attract enough newcomers to compensate for the Agues of Time

    However I stand by my other point. This slide is not helped by a groupthink Centrist Dork hostility to right wing ideas - especially when the populist right is in the ascendant. It’s the equivalent of a British football website refusing to discuss northern clubs run by wealthy foreigners

    @williamglenn is the canary in the coal mine
    That is partly a class thing.

    When this site was founded the Tories were still the main right of centre party and certainly once Cameron took over still the most popular party with the upper middle class who are found disproportionally on here.

    Now Reform are the main right of centre party and most popular with the white working class, who aren't found in significant numbers on PB while many of the upper middle class think Farage is a populist oik
    This is an astute and interesting point
    No-one has yet, SFAICS, ventured on PB to give a reasoned account of why people should support Reform on account of their ability to govern the UK really well.
    "Can't be worse" and "rolling the dice" about covers it, I think.
    Also “will actually stop mass immigration” and “will actually stop the boats” are fairly important, no?

    If Reform enters government and does just those two things, while mismanaging everything else as badly as Labour or the Tories, I will be very satisfied with my Reform, especially as I will probably be a Reform MP
    Yes, they have 2 strands. The specific (nativist, anti-immigrant) and the general (upset the status quo).

    It's essentially the same mix that got Brexit over the line. That's why you'll find that almost all Reform voters who are old enough to have voted in 2016 will have voted Leave.

    It's also why - given it's the same drivers, the same pool of voters, the same leader - that we shouldn't, if we have any sense, touch it with a bargepole.
    Reform voters want vast and increasing and better run amounts of the status quo. This is lost of many commentators. The status quo popular with Reform voters includes: NHS, cradle to grave welfare, free education to 18, state pensions, NATO, proper transport infrastructure, social housing.

    Every one of the expensive bits of the state.

    This truth governs all the rest of how Reform would act in government.
    You could say the same of MAGA, but it hasn't governed how Trump has acted. The Republicans have sold their WWC voters down the river in favour of tax cuts for the rich and a massive build-up of ICE.
    A good point, but there are a couple of key differences:

    UK voters are not religious in the same way as USA voters are. They are much less subject to magical beliefs about charismatic politicians. Nor are they ideologically accustomed to the idea that the rich can be radically irresponsible and run the country on their own fiat.

    The UK does not allow for the takeover of the state by an individual and cronies as easily as the USA. And Reform MPs will mostly want to be re-elected on 2034.

    Our courts are far less politicised, and there is no chance (IMO) of a government simply ignoring thr rule of law.

    But we shall perhaps find out. (30% chance of a Reform majority government).

    The U.K. has supremacy of Parliament. Which means that a majority in the Commons can do virtually anything.

    Some lawyers are trying to knit a constitution out of HR law etc. - to truly limit what parliament can do on various things.

    I can easily imagine a battle in the courts to try and limit primary legislation by a Reform Government.
    A court battle to prevent the passing of primary legislation would be, SFAICS, entirely novel and would be a constitutional event of box office proportions.

    Court battles over the meaning and application/disapplication of primary (and other) legislation is standard fare in modern law. This is because, to the chagrin of dim MPs, the law is not a superficial thing. It is a collective body of materials gathered over the last 1000 years or so from various sources and is in a permanent state of development. If an Act of 2025 is inconsistent or ambiguous when put alongside an Act from the reign of Edward III which it has failed to repeal there is an issue for a court to decide. Multiply this by a few billion and you have the current state of things. To test the waters and appreciate the complexities just read few Supreme Court judgments - probably the world's brightest court; these only deal in contested and previously indeterminate matters.

    What I think is impossible in the UK (unlike the USA) is three fold: That courts will allow its fundamental jurisdiction to be ousted; that a Reform government will try to do so; and that a Reform government will try to overlook or ignore the rule of law as pronounced by our courts.
    Of course parliament can - and I hope will - overrule the courts. Parliament is the people, and it is the people that decide

    There is no supreme law in the UK that operates above parliament, like some Ten Commandments in the Bible, or indeed like some royal Divine Right

    We had a Civil War to establish this fact. Indeed, if a bunch of wanker lawyers tried to prevent the British parliament acting freely, we would soon see similar violence. Not a route we want to take
    I genuinely doubt that, given that that has arguably already happened with the gender ruling and the violence being limited to pissing on statues and broken glass. Bear in mind that during Covid we had the polis arresting and detaining people for breaking guidelines, which aren't laws. Cyclefree pointed this out at the time

    In my Blob article I pointed out that the Human Rights Act 199x, the Climate Change Act 2008, and the Equality Act 2006 & 2010 bound their successors. The HRA does this explicitly, the CCA and EA do it by establishing standing committees/quangos.

    It worries me how little this is understood, especially by MPs.
    Because it's bollocks. Parliament is supreme and if parliament decided to repeal all this shit, then it is repealed. Lawyers do not run the country, our elected MPs do. And if you literally try to stop this, then - in the end - violence will happen. The idea it cannot occur in the UK is nonsense. Until recently we had an armed insurrection in the UK - in northern Ireland - precisely because of this. People felt disenfranchised. In that case it was a minority, you're talking about thwarting the will of the overall UK government

    We had violent riots last year, and so on

    People like you will take us to a truly ominous place. It's like the people who wanted to "Revoke Brexit" or "have a second vote" without enacting the first. It was crazily dangerous, but the fools advocating it were too dumb or blinkered to understand the inevitable result of overturning democracy in that fashion
    Is anyone arguing that Parliament can't repeal these laws ?
    If so they are in a tiny minority.

    It's you that appears to be appealing to the "will of the people" over the sovereignty of Parliament and the rule of law.

    Of course Parliament can legislate how it wants.
    What we are saying is that governments can't just ignore existing law to say "make it so".
    It seems to me that some on here are saying exactly what I claim: that the law fundamentally constrains parliament. Fundamentally, and absolutely, it does not. Parliament can make or repeal any law it chooses, and any new law must be enacted. And if it is blocked by a court, parliament can abolish that court. And if anyone else tries to prevent parliament enacting the will of the people, parliament can pass laws to have those people jailed, or killed

    Hopefully we won't reach that unpleasant state of affairs

    Whether Reform have got the cullions to do all this is a different question . TBH I gravely doubt it. I suspect they will repeal some of the stupider laws but sadly I won't get the peaceful revolution I want

    However, as I've also said, if they can simply sort out migration, boats, and human rights, in term one, that would be enough to satisfy me
    Let us take an extreme and hypothetical case just to make it clear. Parliament passes, with royal assent an Act called 'The Legalisation of Torturing Children for Fun Act 2026'. This enacts exactly what it says on the tin.

    I quite like the system whereby some irritating and busybody group can go to the high court and start asking the judges in that annoying leftie way about parameters, limits, the effect of other legislation on this, whether the common law has anything to offer by way of balance, the meaning of words, the injuncting of potential torturers, the effects of treaties and other boring legal stuff.

    i don't think I am alone in thinking this.

    If Leon MP is right we are going to need these annoying interfering people a bit.
    If Parliament passes the law, then it should be the law. And we should be able to kick out the bastards that passed that law and reverse it since no Parliament can bind its successors.

    The alternative is saying to take it to the extreme that if a court rules you have an irreversible human right to torture children for fun, then Parliament can't reverse that and we as voters have no way to reverse the courts decision.

    The only way to secure our rights is to vote for them, and to have a Parliament as the ultimate arbiter.
    What about a majority in a country voting to remove voting rights from a minority?
    That would be a very bad thing, but if it happens then democracy should rule. And I would hope to overturn that in a future election.

    The alternative extreme is Dred Scott style a court stripping a minority (or a majority) of their rights, even when a majority want those rights protecting, with no democratic way to reverse it.

    If democracy rules we can overturn bad choices at an election, if it doesnt it takes a Civil War.

    Democracy as always is the worst option, apart from all others.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,095
    edited August 14

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    You seem to be moaning a lot about PB recently.

    Please desist.
    A lot?!

    I had one hour yesterday when I did a bit of O Tempura

    But I shan’t repeat it, I’ve made my point

    Also today has been quite fun arguing constitutional supremacy
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359
    edited August 14
    Pulpstar said:

    Is Skinner going to be the Reform candidate ? First I heard it was Middleton, then Cunningham. Now Skinner ?

    Can't see him running for Reform, his attraction would be as an indy. And Reform have invested an absurd amount of energy in promoting a random Westminster councillor for it not to be her I think - they clearly think she has something sellable
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,282
    Pulpstar said:

    Is Skinner going to be the Reform candidate ? First I heard it was Middleton, then Cunningham. Now Skinner ?

    No indication of that at all

    Skinner is just triggering people at the moment.
  • Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    I hope I'm not reading too much into it, but the past tense in that sentence is upsetting, I hope OGH is well.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359
    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    While waiting for a plumber who is stuck in traffic, I'm watching Crown Court on Talking Pictures TV.

    The best 90 minutes viewing for years - classic British television from the 1970s. Today's defendant and her three lovers, none of whom was aware of the others - brilliant. Richard Wilson as the prosecuting barrister.
    Guessing guilty or not guilty as a smallish child at my Nans of a lunchtime in the holidays was great fun.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,289

    'Strictly superfan'
    Good Lord.

    Good god! Is it possible to ban a moderator?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,289

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    Labour are getting found out now.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359

    'Strictly superfan'
    Good Lord.

    Good god! Is it possible to ban a moderator?
    Send him to Coventry
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,230
    edited August 14
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    Very strange reaction from you.

    All reality tv is ghastly. Unless you begin to watch them. Then, no matter what the flavour (Strictly, Love Island, Traitors, Big Brother) you get to know the characters and the programme becomes a(nother) character-driven drama. No less than Succession or whatnot.

    I get that you feel you must stake out your intellectual prowess but criticising reality shows is not the hill to die on. Plus it is jejeune.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,256

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    I hope I'm not reading too much into it, but the past tense in that sentence is upsetting, I hope OGH is well.
    He is, I meant it in the sense since before he retired from the editor’s chair.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,099

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now 13-14 Aug

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    Another good poll for the Conservatives but little change elsewhere. The Conservatives seem to have moved beyond the mid-teens back toward 20% but the rise of Reform means they will still lose half to two thirds of their seats.

    Anyway, it's mid-Augusr and three years minimum off the next GE so all a bit of fun for now.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,523

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now 13-14 Aug

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    Sleazy, broken, sleazy Reform, Labour AND LibDems on the slide!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,523

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    I hope I'm not reading too much into it, but the past tense in that sentence is upsetting, I hope OGH is well.
    He's doing fine, BR. He still posts quite regularly on FB.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,726

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    Cake baking morons runs it close too
    That's the only one I watch. It's stayed low key and authentic - although there are sometimes danger signs with Paul Hollywood. He's a big personality who needs reining in for the benefit of the show. Thus far that tightrope has been walked successfully. Yes, the 'good' jeans and roomy overflowing shirt, yes the beefy exposed forearms, yes the twinkly blue eyes, but no to anything more than that.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,639
    FTP...
    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    I’m not normally one to froth about the likes of Rupert Lowe. Plenty of our resident centrist Dads do that.

    However this is a really odd take.

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1955935404835660251?s=61

    I'll give it a go...

    1) There has been an enormous increase in road mileage since 2010, even while economic activity has barely increased
    2) This is primarily due to LCVs (vans). HGVs, buses have both fallen over that period.
    3) and this is due to the surge in online shopping, Amazon etc
    4) this kind of economic activity is dependent on ... low-skilled and cheap labour
    5) immigrants
    No, it’s dependent on demand from people, like myself. If we didn’t want it there wouldn’t be people providing it. Same with JustEat.

    The lovely young lady from DPD who delivered my wife’s 10th anniversary gift yesterday was white and British.
    It is fair to say that there has been a policy of not increasing road capacity (much). Combined with a massive increase in population.

    This has led to pressure on road usage. And just about everything else.
    Indeed but that’s not down to immigrants like Mr Lowe suggests, and it is not just roads it is our infrastructure in general as well as housing.
    The massive population increase is down to immigration.

    People don’t like to say that, since it sounds like immigrant blaming.

    But if you try and put a quart in a pint pot, is the beer to blame, or the pot?

    We need more stuff (roads, hospitals, houses) for millions of people. They are not to blame for this.
    All that stuff is paid for by people. More people need more stuff, but also pay for more stuff. The "pot", so to speak, increases with the population size. An increase in population shouldn't be an issue.
    Economics from dummies
    Lib Dem’s ?
    Bondegezou and his stupid more people means more money crap. Just means more taken off workers to give to non workers
    If I recall correctly, you're a non-worker. I'm a worker. Give me my feckin' money back!
    You half wit , you obviously don't read other people's posts. I am still working , 54 years without a day out of work. I have received feck all from you or anybody else and have funded plenty and continue to do so.
    You've almost certainly paid ten times the tax that @bondegezou has paid, as well

    And he works for the state, I believe, so YOU are paying his wages
    Yes indeed.
    I work for a university, Malc, which isn't quite working for the state. In terms of the money I bring in to the university, some is from the state, but the majority of it is (postgraduate) student fees. Some of those, in a roundabout way, come from the state because the NHS is paying them, but most of them are coming from students paying for themselves, and the majority of those are Chinese. So, the two big contributors to my wages are all you UK taxpayers (thanks, guys), and middle class Chinese parents (尊敬的各位家长,衷心感谢您们一直以来的支持与配合).
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,523
    Sandpit said:

    Hamas terrorists caught posing as aid workers in Gaza. What a surprise.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmmi6fxysXU

    World Central Kitchen charity said that they had no workers in that area at the time.

    The IDF are terrorising the Gaza population on a daily basis.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    Very strange reaction from you.

    All reality tv is ghastly. Unless you begin to watch them. Then, no matter what the flavour (Strictly, Love Island, Traitors, Big Brother) you get to know the characters and the programme becomes a(nother) character-driven drama. No less than Succession or whatnot.

    I get that you feel you must stake out your intellectual prowess but criticising reality shows is not the hill to die on. Plus it is jejeune.
    Panem et circenses
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,523
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    It almost pains me to say this but... What Leon said!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,256
    edited August 14

    'Strictly superfan'
    Good Lord.

    Good god! Is it possible to ban a moderator?
    Robert banned me once.

    After I published a thread with this opener.

    Light the beacons of Gondor, it turns out Boris Johnson was telling the truth last month, an event rarer than a decent Radiohead album,

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2022/11/06/what-boris-johnson-pulling-out-really-means/
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359
    edited August 14
    stodge said:

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now 13-14 Aug

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    Another good poll for the Conservatives but little change elsewhere. The Conservatives seem to have moved beyond the mid-teens back toward 20% but the rise of Reform means they will still lose half to two thirds of their seats.

    Anyway, it's mid-Augusr and three years minimum off the next GE so all a bit of fun for now.
    'Good' does an enormous amount of heavy lifting at 19%!
    But yes, all a bit of fun. In terms of losing their seats, obviously I take a close interest in Norfolk, and if Reform come in at 30 at a GE, the Norfolk rural seats become TCTC if the Tories get to 22/23% nationally, so we are not a million miles off of really fascinating results (in this neck of the woods anyway)
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,099

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    While waiting for a plumber who is stuck in traffic, I'm watching Crown Court on Talking Pictures TV.

    The best 90 minutes viewing for years - classic British television from the 1970s. Today's defendant and her three lovers, none of whom was aware of the others - brilliant. Richard Wilson as the prosecuting barrister.
    Guessing guilty or not guilty as a smallish child at my Nans of a lunchtime in the holidays was great fun.
    Well, I got today's wrong.

    Complete miscarriage of justice - not a shred of proof but it's a Guilty verdict.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,095
    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    Very strange reaction from you.

    All reality tv is ghastly. Unless you begin to watch them. Then, no matter what the flavour (Strictly, Love Island, Traitors, Big Brother) you get to know the characters and the programme becomes a(nother) character-driven drama. No less than Succession or whatnot.

    I get that you feel you must stake out your intellectual prowess but criticising reality shows is not the hill to die on. Plus it is jejeune.
    lol. You misspelled jejune
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,230

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    Very strange reaction from you.

    All reality tv is ghastly. Unless you begin to watch them. Then, no matter what the flavour (Strictly, Love Island, Traitors, Big Brother) you get to know the characters and the programme becomes a(nother) character-driven drama. No less than Succession or whatnot.

    I get that you feel you must stake out your intellectual prowess but criticising reality shows is not the hill to die on. Plus it is jejeune.
    Panem et circenses
    No.

    Reality shows depend upon characters (love 'em or 'ate 'em). It is therefore arguably the strongest character-driven entertainment. Because it is without artifice. Would any of the eg Love Island contestants last on PB while commenting on Scottish sub-samples? Perhaps not. But they have their own characters and if you invest time getting to know them, they are as intriguing as any Walter White or Iago.

    Meanwhile, talking about circenses, I strongly recommend Burlesque the Musical, playing at the Savoy Theatre. Two and a half hours of cracking fun. Even if one strong emotion I had upon leaving the theatre was I must go on a diet and start working out.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    While waiting for a plumber who is stuck in traffic, I'm watching Crown Court on Talking Pictures TV.

    The best 90 minutes viewing for years - classic British television from the 1970s. Today's defendant and her three lovers, none of whom was aware of the others - brilliant. Richard Wilson as the prosecuting barrister.
    Guessing guilty or not guilty as a smallish child at my Nans of a lunchtime in the holidays was great fun.
    Well, I got today's wrong.

    Complete miscarriage of justice - not a shred of proof but it's a Guilty verdict.
    Did he look a wrong un though? My Nan was an expert at spotting wrong uns
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,639

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    While waiting for a plumber who is stuck in traffic, I'm watching Crown Court on Talking Pictures TV.

    The best 90 minutes viewing for years - classic British television from the 1970s. Today's defendant and her three lovers, none of whom was aware of the others - brilliant. Richard Wilson as the prosecuting barrister.
    Guessing guilty or not guilty as a smallish child at my Nans of a lunchtime in the holidays was great fun.
    Well, I got today's wrong.

    Complete miscarriage of justice - not a shred of proof but it's a Guilty verdict.
    Did he look a wrong un though? My Nan was an expert at spotting wrong uns
    A preview there of Reform UK's law and order manifesto.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,726

    FTP...

    malcolmg said:

    Leon said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    malcolmg said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Eabhal said:

    Taz said:

    I’m not normally one to froth about the likes of Rupert Lowe. Plenty of our resident centrist Dads do that.

    However this is a really odd take.

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1955935404835660251?s=61

    I'll give it a go...

    1) There has been an enormous increase in road mileage since 2010, even while economic activity has barely increased
    2) This is primarily due to LCVs (vans). HGVs, buses have both fallen over that period.
    3) and this is due to the surge in online shopping, Amazon etc
    4) this kind of economic activity is dependent on ... low-skilled and cheap labour
    5) immigrants
    No, it’s dependent on demand from people, like myself. If we didn’t want it there wouldn’t be people providing it. Same with JustEat.

    The lovely young lady from DPD who delivered my wife’s 10th anniversary gift yesterday was white and British.
    It is fair to say that there has been a policy of not increasing road capacity (much). Combined with a massive increase in population.

    This has led to pressure on road usage. And just about everything else.
    Indeed but that’s not down to immigrants like Mr Lowe suggests, and it is not just roads it is our infrastructure in general as well as housing.
    The massive population increase is down to immigration.

    People don’t like to say that, since it sounds like immigrant blaming.

    But if you try and put a quart in a pint pot, is the beer to blame, or the pot?

    We need more stuff (roads, hospitals, houses) for millions of people. They are not to blame for this.
    All that stuff is paid for by people. More people need more stuff, but also pay for more stuff. The "pot", so to speak, increases with the population size. An increase in population shouldn't be an issue.
    Economics from dummies
    Lib Dem’s ?
    Bondegezou and his stupid more people means more money crap. Just means more taken off workers to give to non workers
    If I recall correctly, you're a non-worker. I'm a worker. Give me my feckin' money back!
    You half wit , you obviously don't read other people's posts. I am still working , 54 years without a day out of work. I have received feck all from you or anybody else and have funded plenty and continue to do so.
    You've almost certainly paid ten times the tax that @bondegezou has paid, as well

    And he works for the state, I believe, so YOU are paying his wages
    Yes indeed.
    I work for a university, Malc, which isn't quite working for the state. In terms of the money I bring in to the university, some is from the state, but the majority of it is (postgraduate) student fees. Some of those, in a roundabout way, come from the state because the NHS is paying them, but most of them are coming from students paying for themselves, and the majority of those are Chinese. So, the two big contributors to my wages are all you UK taxpayers (thanks, guys), and middle class Chinese parents (尊敬的各位家长,衷心感谢您们一直以来的支持与配合).
    Great. But even if you did work for The State somebody in the private sector is not "paying your wages".

    That's the opposite equivalent to those signs you used to see on the back of cars: "If you can read this thank a teacher".

    (neither you nor Turbo nor Stuart have one of those, I hope?)
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    While waiting for a plumber who is stuck in traffic, I'm watching Crown Court on Talking Pictures TV.

    The best 90 minutes viewing for years - classic British television from the 1970s. Today's defendant and her three lovers, none of whom was aware of the others - brilliant. Richard Wilson as the prosecuting barrister.
    Guessing guilty or not guilty as a smallish child at my Nans of a lunchtime in the holidays was great fun.
    Well, I got today's wrong.

    Complete miscarriage of justice - not a shred of proof but it's a Guilty verdict.
    Did he look a wrong un though? My Nan was an expert at spotting wrong uns
    A preview there of Reform UK's law and order manifesto.
    Send him down, he looks iffy. Its legal gold
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,095
    There is nothing more jejune than trying to use a posh word like jejune to make a superior point and then MISSPELLING IT

    It’s like people who say “what do you know you pleb you’re just one of the hoi polloi”

    Pure Jejune-o-cringe
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,282
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    Very strange reaction from you.

    All reality tv is ghastly. Unless you begin to watch them. Then, no matter what the flavour (Strictly, Love Island, Traitors, Big Brother) you get to know the characters and the programme becomes a(nother) character-driven drama. No less than Succession or whatnot.

    I get that you feel you must stake out your intellectual prowess but criticising reality shows is not the hill to die on. Plus it is jejeune.
    Panem et circenses
    No.

    Reality shows depend upon characters (love 'em or 'ate 'em). It is therefore arguably the strongest character-driven entertainment. Because it is without artifice. Would any of the eg Love Island contestants last on PB while commenting on Scottish sub-samples? Perhaps not. But they have their own characters and if you invest time getting to know them, they are as intriguing as any Walter White or Iago.

    Meanwhile, talking about circenses, I strongly recommend Burlesque the Musical, playing at the Savoy Theatre. Two and a half hours of cracking fun. Even if one strong emotion I had upon leaving the theatre was I must go on a diet and start working out.
    Indeed.

    Would big brother have prospered without Nasty Nick ?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,522

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Strictly Come Dancing: There is a betting angle and often there is a political angle, Anne Widdecome, EdBalls etc, etc.

    Neither requirement is noted when posters post photos of their pint, cocktail or breakfast. I know one poster regularly does that, although I can't remember which poster I am thinking of.

    In one ear, out of the other I guess.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,230
    Leon said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    Very strange reaction from you.

    All reality tv is ghastly. Unless you begin to watch them. Then, no matter what the flavour (Strictly, Love Island, Traitors, Big Brother) you get to know the characters and the programme becomes a(nother) character-driven drama. No less than Succession or whatnot.

    I get that you feel you must stake out your intellectual prowess but criticising reality shows is not the hill to die on. Plus it is jejeune.
    lol. You misspelled jejune
    Glad you are able to pull something out of it all.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,726

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now 13-14 Aug

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    First rumblings of a Kemiquake?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,095

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Strictly Come Dancing: There is a betting angle and often there is a political angle, Anne Widdecome, EdBalls etc, etc.

    Neither requirement is noted when posters post photos of their pint, cocktail or breakfast. I know one poster regularly does that, although I can't remember which poster I am thinking of.

    In one ear, out of the other I guess.
    Yes. This is a site which famously restricts itself solely to betting advice
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    Very strange reaction from you.

    All reality tv is ghastly. Unless you begin to watch them. Then, no matter what the flavour (Strictly, Love Island, Traitors, Big Brother) you get to know the characters and the programme becomes a(nother) character-driven drama. No less than Succession or whatnot.

    I get that you feel you must stake out your intellectual prowess but criticising reality shows is not the hill to die on. Plus it is jejeune.
    Panem et circenses
    No.

    Reality shows depend upon characters (love 'em or 'ate 'em). It is therefore arguably the strongest character-driven entertainment. Because it is without artifice. Would any of the eg Love Island contestants last on PB while commenting on Scottish sub-samples? Perhaps not. But they have their own characters and if you invest time getting to know them, they are as intriguing as any Walter White or Iago.

    Meanwhile, talking about circenses, I strongly recommend Burlesque the Musical, playing at the Savoy Theatre. Two and a half hours of cracking fun. Even if one strong emotion I had upon leaving the theatre was I must go on a diet and start working out.
    Thats the whole point of panem etc. Getting you to invest attention in getting to know Tamara with the hooters so you don't get to know Randolpho Garbondio MP with the iffy donors and a penchant for kickbacks
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,885

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    Very strange reaction from you.

    All reality tv is ghastly. Unless you begin to watch them. Then, no matter what the flavour (Strictly, Love Island, Traitors, Big Brother) you get to know the characters and the programme becomes a(nother) character-driven drama. No less than Succession or whatnot.

    I get that you feel you must stake out your intellectual prowess but criticising reality shows is not the hill to die on. Plus it is jejeune.
    Panem et circenses
    Careful, Leon will have you for jejune juvenalia.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,230
    Taz said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    Very strange reaction from you.

    All reality tv is ghastly. Unless you begin to watch them. Then, no matter what the flavour (Strictly, Love Island, Traitors, Big Brother) you get to know the characters and the programme becomes a(nother) character-driven drama. No less than Succession or whatnot.

    I get that you feel you must stake out your intellectual prowess but criticising reality shows is not the hill to die on. Plus it is jejeune.
    Panem et circenses
    No.

    Reality shows depend upon characters (love 'em or 'ate 'em). It is therefore arguably the strongest character-driven entertainment. Because it is without artifice. Would any of the eg Love Island contestants last on PB while commenting on Scottish sub-samples? Perhaps not. But they have their own characters and if you invest time getting to know them, they are as intriguing as any Walter White or Iago.

    Meanwhile, talking about circenses, I strongly recommend Burlesque the Musical, playing at the Savoy Theatre. Two and a half hours of cracking fun. Even if one strong emotion I had upon leaving the theatre was I must go on a diet and start working out.
    Indeed.

    Would big brother have prospered without Nasty Nick ?
    S1 of Big Brother was genuinely ground-breaking telly.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359
    kinabalu said:

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now 13-14 Aug

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    First rumblings of a Kemiquake?
    They did get to 19 with FoN a month ago then dropped off so probably just a fortuitous pair of polls over 2 days that revert next week. Maybe. They'd need a 'breakout' above their min/maxes with someone since the LE to perhaps be moving on up.
    Could be the first sign of Labour hitting their lowest ever VI though - theyve had one 18% with YG in 2019 and scattering of YG 19% in the same period. And now this one.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,099

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    While waiting for a plumber who is stuck in traffic, I'm watching Crown Court on Talking Pictures TV.

    The best 90 minutes viewing for years - classic British television from the 1970s. Today's defendant and her three lovers, none of whom was aware of the others - brilliant. Richard Wilson as the prosecuting barrister.
    Guessing guilty or not guilty as a smallish child at my Nans of a lunchtime in the holidays was great fun.
    Well, I got today's wrong.

    Complete miscarriage of justice - not a shred of proof but it's a Guilty verdict.
    Did he look a wrong un though? My Nan was an expert at spotting wrong uns
    Woman in the dock - widow, three married lovers, £10,000 of gifts and she was up for defrauding the Inland Revenue.

    Brilliant writing and acting - good to remember Glyn Owen as one of the married lovers long before Howard's Way.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,359
    edited August 14
    TOPPING said:

    Taz said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    Very strange reaction from you.

    All reality tv is ghastly. Unless you begin to watch them. Then, no matter what the flavour (Strictly, Love Island, Traitors, Big Brother) you get to know the characters and the programme becomes a(nother) character-driven drama. No less than Succession or whatnot.

    I get that you feel you must stake out your intellectual prowess but criticising reality shows is not the hill to die on. Plus it is jejeune.
    Panem et circenses
    No.

    Reality shows depend upon characters (love 'em or 'ate 'em). It is therefore arguably the strongest character-driven entertainment. Because it is without artifice. Would any of the eg Love Island contestants last on PB while commenting on Scottish sub-samples? Perhaps not. But they have their own characters and if you invest time getting to know them, they are as intriguing as any Walter White or Iago.

    Meanwhile, talking about circenses, I strongly recommend Burlesque the Musical, playing at the Savoy Theatre. Two and a half hours of cracking fun. Even if one strong emotion I had upon leaving the theatre was I must go on a diet and start working out.
    Indeed.

    Would big brother have prospered without Nasty Nick ?
    S1 of Big Brother was genuinely ground-breaking telly.
    Yes, before it became infested with a bunch of narcissists who realised there was an opportunity in becoming ‘famous for being famous’ with no actual talent.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,291
    Leon said:

    There is nothing more jejune than trying to use a posh word like jejune to make a superior point and then MISSPELLING IT

    It’s like people who say “what do you know you pleb you’re just one of the hoi polloi”

    Pure Jejune-o-cringe

    Everyone says the hoi polloi. That ship sailed long ago.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,416

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    Very strange reaction from you.

    All reality tv is ghastly. Unless you begin to watch them. Then, no matter what the flavour (Strictly, Love Island, Traitors, Big Brother) you get to know the characters and the programme becomes a(nother) character-driven drama. No less than Succession or whatnot.

    I get that you feel you must stake out your intellectual prowess but criticising reality shows is not the hill to die on. Plus it is jejeune.
    Panem et circenses
    Quick, someone needs to pitch a crossover of Bake Off and circus skills to ITV.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,726

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    kinabalu said:

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Fpt from @IanB2

    “I have taken a break precisely because I got fed up with wading through Leon’s shit; most of the content he spams into this forum nowadays consists either of repetitive bigoted vomit, self-obsessed wank, or gratuitous abuse. There is no analysis or intelligence or insight, at all. Day after day, it just becomes tiresome; PB should be about more than one man’s lifelong attempt to compensate for his under-endowment.

    In no way can my absence be interpreted as any support whatsoever for Leon’s thesis that he’s the only racist left in the village.

    I saw Leon’s photos of his bits and bobs from across the world; the most valuable souvenir you can get from any travel is a broader perspective, yet it is the one thing that he never manages to bring home.”

    That’s all well and good, but on the upside I got you to shut up and leave, so it’s kinda swings and roundabouts?

    FPT from Dura - "see you tomorrow".
    I never flounced! I just said PB is in decline, which it is

    On reflection I think it might be inevitable. The site was founded in the noughties, we’ve been here twenty years and we’ve all gotten a lot older (me included). Some of us have literally died. So the decay in commentary value is baked in: we simply don’t attract enough newcomers to compensate for the Agues of Time

    However I stand by my other point. This slide is not helped by a groupthink Centrist Dork hostility to right wing ideas - especially when the populist right is in the ascendant. It’s the equivalent of a British football website refusing to discuss northern clubs run by wealthy foreigners

    @williamglenn is the canary in the coal mine
    That is partly a class thing.

    When this site was founded the Tories were still the main right of centre party and certainly once Cameron took over still the most popular party with the upper middle class who are found disproportionally on here.

    Now Reform are the main right of centre party and most popular with the white working class, who aren't found in significant numbers on PB while many of the upper middle class think Farage is a populist oik
    This is an astute and interesting point
    No-one has yet, SFAICS, ventured on PB to give a reasoned account of why people should support Reform on account of their ability to govern the UK really well.
    "Can't be worse" and "rolling the dice" about covers it, I think.
    Also “will actually stop mass immigration” and “will actually stop the boats” are fairly important, no?

    If Reform enters government and does just those two things, while mismanaging everything else as badly as Labour or the Tories, I will be very satisfied with my Reform, especially as I will probably be a Reform MP
    Yes, they have 2 strands. The specific (nativist, anti-immigrant) and the general (upset the status quo).

    It's essentially the same mix that got Brexit over the line. That's why you'll find that almost all Reform voters who are old enough to have voted in 2016 will have voted Leave.

    It's also why - given it's the same drivers, the same pool of voters, the same leader - that we shouldn't, if we have any sense, touch it with a bargepole.
    Reform voters want vast and increasing and better run amounts of the status quo. This is lost of many commentators. The status quo popular with Reform voters includes: NHS, cradle to grave welfare, free education to 18, state pensions, NATO, proper transport infrastructure, social housing.

    Every one of the expensive bits of the state.

    This truth governs all the rest of how Reform would act in government.
    You could say the same of MAGA, but it hasn't governed how Trump has acted. The Republicans have sold their WWC voters down the river in favour of tax cuts for the rich and a massive build-up of ICE.
    A good point, but there are a couple of key differences:

    UK voters are not religious in the same way as USA voters are. They are much less subject to magical beliefs about charismatic politicians. Nor are they ideologically accustomed to the idea that the rich can be radically irresponsible and run the country on their own fiat.

    The UK does not allow for the takeover of the state by an individual and cronies as easily as the USA. And Reform MPs will mostly want to be re-elected on 2034.

    Our courts are far less politicised, and there is no chance (IMO) of a government simply ignoring thr rule of law.

    But we shall perhaps find out. (30% chance of a Reform majority government).

    The U.K. has supremacy of Parliament. Which means that a majority in the Commons can do virtually anything.

    Some lawyers are trying to knit a constitution out of HR law etc. - to truly limit what parliament can do on various things.

    I can easily imagine a battle in the courts to try and limit primary legislation by a Reform Government.
    A court battle to prevent the passing of primary legislation would be, SFAICS, entirely novel and would be a constitutional event of box office proportions.

    Court battles over the meaning and application/disapplication of primary (and other) legislation is standard fare in modern law. This is because, to the chagrin of dim MPs, the law is not a superficial thing. It is a collective body of materials gathered over the last 1000 years or so from various sources and is in a permanent state of development. If an Act of 2025 is inconsistent or ambiguous when put alongside an Act from the reign of Edward III which it has failed to repeal there is an issue for a court to decide. Multiply this by a few billion and you have the current state of things. To test the waters and appreciate the complexities just read few Supreme Court judgments - probably the world's brightest court; these only deal in contested and previously indeterminate matters.

    What I think is impossible in the UK (unlike the USA) is three fold: That courts will allow its fundamental jurisdiction to be ousted; that a Reform government will try to do so; and that a Reform government will try to overlook or ignore the rule of law as pronounced by our courts.
    Of course parliament can - and I hope will - overrule the courts. Parliament is the people, and it is the people that decide

    There is no supreme law in the UK that operates above parliament, like some Ten Commandments in the Bible, or indeed like some royal Divine Right

    We had a Civil War to establish this fact. Indeed, if a bunch of wanker lawyers tried to prevent the British parliament acting freely, we would soon see similar violence. Not a route we want to take
    I genuinely doubt that, given that that has arguably already happened with the gender ruling and the violence being limited to pissing on statues and broken glass. Bear in mind that during Covid we had the polis arresting and detaining people for breaking guidelines, which aren't laws. Cyclefree pointed this out at the time

    In my Blob article I pointed out that the Human Rights Act 199x, the Climate Change Act 2008, and the Equality Act 2006 & 2010 bound their successors. The HRA does this explicitly, the CCA and EA do it by establishing standing committees/quangos.

    It worries me how little this is understood, especially by MPs.
    Because it's bollocks. Parliament is supreme and if parliament decided to repeal all this shit, then it is repealed. Lawyers do not run the country, our elected MPs do. And if you literally try to stop this, then - in the end - violence will happen. The idea it cannot occur in the UK is nonsense. Until recently we had an armed insurrection in the UK - in northern Ireland - precisely because of this. People felt disenfranchised. In that case it was a minority, you're talking about thwarting the will of the overall UK government

    We had violent riots last year, and so on

    People like you will take us to a truly ominous place. It's like the people who wanted to "Revoke Brexit" or "have a second vote" without enacting the first. It was crazily dangerous, but the fools advocating it were too dumb or blinkered to understand the inevitable result of overturning democracy in that fashion
    Is anyone arguing that Parliament can't repeal these laws ?
    If so they are in a tiny minority.

    It's you that appears to be appealing to the "will of the people" over the sovereignty of Parliament and the rule of law.

    Of course Parliament can legislate how it wants.
    What we are saying is that governments can't just ignore existing law to say "make it so".
    It seems to me that some on here are saying exactly what I claim: that the law fundamentally constrains parliament. Fundamentally, and absolutely, it does not. Parliament can make or repeal any law it chooses, and any new law must be enacted. And if it is blocked by a court, parliament can abolish that court. And if anyone else tries to prevent parliament enacting the will of the people, parliament can pass laws to have those people jailed, or killed

    Hopefully we won't reach that unpleasant state of affairs

    Whether Reform have got the cullions to do all this is a different question . TBH I gravely doubt it. I suspect they will repeal some of the stupider laws but sadly I won't get the peaceful revolution I want

    However, as I've also said, if they can simply sort out migration, boats, and human rights, in term one, that would be enough to satisfy me
    Let us take an extreme and hypothetical case just to make it clear. Parliament passes, with royal assent an Act called 'The Legalisation of Torturing Children for Fun Act 2026'. This enacts exactly what it says on the tin.

    I quite like the system whereby some irritating and busybody group can go to the high court and start asking the judges in that annoying leftie way about parameters, limits, the effect of other legislation on this, whether the common law has anything to offer by way of balance, the meaning of words, the injuncting of potential torturers, the effects of treaties and other boring legal stuff.

    i don't think I am alone in thinking this.

    If Leon MP is right we are going to need these annoying interfering people a bit.
    If Parliament passes the law, then it should be the law. And we should be able to kick out the bastards that passed that law and reverse it since no Parliament can bind its successors.

    The alternative is saying to take it to the extreme that if a court rules you have an irreversible human right to torture children for fun, then Parliament can't reverse that and we as voters have no way to reverse the courts decision.

    The only way to secure our rights is to vote for them, and to have a Parliament as the ultimate arbiter.
    What about a majority in a country voting to remove voting rights from a minority?
    That would be a very bad thing, but if it happens then democracy should rule. And I would hope to overturn that in a future election.

    The alternative extreme is Dred Scott style a court stripping a minority (or a majority) of their rights, even when a majority want those rights protecting, with no democratic way to reverse it.

    If democracy rules we can overturn bad choices at an election, if it doesnt it takes a Civil War.

    Democracy as always is the worst option, apart from all others.
    How is it democracy ruling if a majority of the people vote to not let other citizens have a vote?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359
    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    While waiting for a plumber who is stuck in traffic, I'm watching Crown Court on Talking Pictures TV.

    The best 90 minutes viewing for years - classic British television from the 1970s. Today's defendant and her three lovers, none of whom was aware of the others - brilliant. Richard Wilson as the prosecuting barrister.
    Guessing guilty or not guilty as a smallish child at my Nans of a lunchtime in the holidays was great fun.
    Well, I got today's wrong.

    Complete miscarriage of justice - not a shred of proof but it's a Guilty verdict.
    Did he look a wrong un though? My Nan was an expert at spotting wrong uns
    Woman in the dock - widow, three married lovers, £10,000 of gifts and she was up for defrauding the Inland Revenue.

    Brilliant writing and acting - good to remember Glyn Owen as one of the married lovers long before Howard's Way.
    You need to stick with ITV now anyway for Take The High Road
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,230
    Leon said:

    There is nothing more jejune than trying to use a posh word like jejune to make a superior point and then MISSPELLING IT

    It’s like people who say “what do you know you pleb you’re just one of the hoi polloi”

    Pure Jejune-o-cringe

    Oh and thank you. It's rare that PB contributors acknowledge that they have been bested.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    Very strange reaction from you.

    All reality tv is ghastly. Unless you begin to watch them. Then, no matter what the flavour (Strictly, Love Island, Traitors, Big Brother) you get to know the characters and the programme becomes a(nother) character-driven drama. No less than Succession or whatnot.

    I get that you feel you must stake out your intellectual prowess but criticising reality shows is not the hill to die on. Plus it is jejeune.
    Panem et circenses
    Quick, someone needs to pitch a crossover of Bake Off and circus skills to ITV.
    The Great British Bun Juggle
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,726

    kinabalu said:

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now 13-14 Aug

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    First rumblings of a Kemiquake?
    They did get to 19 with FoN a month ago then dropped off so probably just a fortuitous pair of polls over 2 days that revert next week. Maybe. They'd need a 'breakout' above their min/maxes with someone since the LE to perhaps be moving on up.
    Could be the first sign of Labour hitting their lowest ever VI though - theyve had one 18% with YG in 2019 and scattering of YG 19% in the same period. And now this one.
    Their vote will need to be superefficient to get a 2nd term with 19%. Win 300 marginals by a whisker and poll zero everywhere else. Can't see it.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,916
    fpt
    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Looks like the hot weather for this year will be over by the end of next week. London for example won't be more than 23 degrees again after that date according to AccuWeather's long term forecast.

    https://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/london/ec4a-2/august-weather/328328

    I’m going to be in the UK next week - have I missed summer?
    Most of it, yes.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now 13-14 Aug

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    First rumblings of a Kemiquake?
    They did get to 19 with FoN a month ago then dropped off so probably just a fortuitous pair of polls over 2 days that revert next week. Maybe. They'd need a 'breakout' above their min/maxes with someone since the LE to perhaps be moving on up.
    Could be the first sign of Labour hitting their lowest ever VI though - theyve had one 18% with YG in 2019 and scattering of YG 19% in the same period. And now this one.
    Their vote will need to be superefficient to get a 2nd term with 19%. Win 300 marginals by a whisker and poll zero everywhere else. Can't see it.
    19% - 100 seats max maybe?
    19% before Your Party enters the fray formally is pretty ominous.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,790

    Leon said:

    There is nothing more jejune than trying to use a posh word like jejune to make a superior point and then MISSPELLING IT

    It’s like people who say “what do you know you pleb you’re just one of the hoi polloi”

    Pure Jejune-o-cringe

    Everyone says the hoi polloi. That ship sailed long ago.
    Was it ever docked? In English anyway?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,726
    TOPPING said:

    Taz said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    Very strange reaction from you.

    All reality tv is ghastly. Unless you begin to watch them. Then, no matter what the flavour (Strictly, Love Island, Traitors, Big Brother) you get to know the characters and the programme becomes a(nother) character-driven drama. No less than Succession or whatnot.

    I get that you feel you must stake out your intellectual prowess but criticising reality shows is not the hill to die on. Plus it is jejeune.
    Panem et circenses
    No.

    Reality shows depend upon characters (love 'em or 'ate 'em). It is therefore arguably the strongest character-driven entertainment. Because it is without artifice. Would any of the eg Love Island contestants last on PB while commenting on Scottish sub-samples? Perhaps not. But they have their own characters and if you invest time getting to know them, they are as intriguing as any Walter White or Iago.

    Meanwhile, talking about circenses, I strongly recommend Burlesque the Musical, playing at the Savoy Theatre. Two and a half hours of cracking fun. Even if one strong emotion I had upon leaving the theatre was I must go on a diet and start working out.
    Indeed.

    Would big brother have prospered without Nasty Nick ?
    S1 of Big Brother was genuinely ground-breaking telly.
    It was. And very prescient given how the genre is now dominant. I was hooked. I even sometimes tuned into the 24/7 cam to watch them sleeping. And without checking I remember the winner, a builder from Liverpool called Craig.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,790
    Today's (and last) holiday Quota:



    Zug, Switzerland. Impossibly rich and clean and quite pretty. Not really a tourist town, but the railway tickets to Lucerne were so astronomically expensive we determined to break the return journey
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,916

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    Labour are getting found out now.
    I always thought they'd be in third place by the end of the year.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,726

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now 13-14 Aug

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    First rumblings of a Kemiquake?
    They did get to 19 with FoN a month ago then dropped off so probably just a fortuitous pair of polls over 2 days that revert next week. Maybe. They'd need a 'breakout' above their min/maxes with someone since the LE to perhaps be moving on up.
    Could be the first sign of Labour hitting their lowest ever VI though - theyve had one 18% with YG in 2019 and scattering of YG 19% in the same period. And now this one.
    Their vote will need to be superefficient to get a 2nd term with 19%. Win 300 marginals by a whisker and poll zero everywhere else. Can't see it.
    19% - 100 seats max maybe?
    19% before Your Party enters the fray formally is pretty ominous.
    Terrible. "2029 is ages away" is doing a lot of work for me atm.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359
    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Taz said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    Very strange reaction from you.

    All reality tv is ghastly. Unless you begin to watch them. Then, no matter what the flavour (Strictly, Love Island, Traitors, Big Brother) you get to know the characters and the programme becomes a(nother) character-driven drama. No less than Succession or whatnot.

    I get that you feel you must stake out your intellectual prowess but criticising reality shows is not the hill to die on. Plus it is jejeune.
    Panem et circenses
    No.

    Reality shows depend upon characters (love 'em or 'ate 'em). It is therefore arguably the strongest character-driven entertainment. Because it is without artifice. Would any of the eg Love Island contestants last on PB while commenting on Scottish sub-samples? Perhaps not. But they have their own characters and if you invest time getting to know them, they are as intriguing as any Walter White or Iago.

    Meanwhile, talking about circenses, I strongly recommend Burlesque the Musical, playing at the Savoy Theatre. Two and a half hours of cracking fun. Even if one strong emotion I had upon leaving the theatre was I must go on a diet and start working out.
    Indeed.

    Would big brother have prospered without Nasty Nick ?
    S1 of Big Brother was genuinely ground-breaking telly.
    It was. And very prescient given how the genre is now dominant. I was hooked. I even sometimes tuned into the 24/7 cam to watch them sleeping. And without checking I remember the winner, a builder from Liverpool called Craig.
    He had a top 20 Christmas hit off the back of his win.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,639
    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    There is nothing more jejune than trying to use a posh word like jejune to make a superior point and then MISSPELLING IT

    It’s like people who say “what do you know you pleb you’re just one of the hoi polloi”

    Pure Jejune-o-cringe

    Everyone says the hoi polloi. That ship sailed long ago.
    Was it ever docked? In English anyway?
    Thomas Quincey in "Confessions of an English Opium-Eater" (1821):

    "the children of bishops carry about with them an austere and repulsive air, indicative of claims not generally acknowledged, a sort of noli me tangere manner, nervously apprehensive of too familiar approach, and shrinking with the sensitiveness of a gouty man from all contact with the οι πολλοι."
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,523
    carnforth said:

    Today's (and last) holiday Quota:



    Zug, Switzerland. Impossibly rich and clean and quite pretty. Not really a tourist town, but the railway tickets to Lucerne were so astronomically expensive we determined to break the return journey

    Ironic. "Zug" bedeutet "train" in Englisch.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,347
    Andy_JS said:

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    Labour are getting found out now.
    I always thought they'd be in third place by the end of the year.
    Baxtered, it produces Reform 394, Labour 83, Lib Dem 56, Con 43.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359
    edited August 14
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now 13-14 Aug

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    First rumblings of a Kemiquake?
    They did get to 19 with FoN a month ago then dropped off so probably just a fortuitous pair of polls over 2 days that revert next week. Maybe. They'd need a 'breakout' above their min/maxes with someone since the LE to perhaps be moving on up.
    Could be the first sign of Labour hitting their lowest ever VI though - theyve had one 18% with YG in 2019 and scattering of YG 19% in the same period. And now this one.
    Their vote will need to be superefficient to get a 2nd term with 19%. Win 300 marginals by a whisker and poll zero everywhere else. Can't see it.
    19% - 100 seats max maybe?
    19% before Your Party enters the fray formally is pretty ominous.
    Terrible. "2029 is ages away" is doing a lot of work for me atm.
    Labour and the Tories are both polling at Truss just after the mini budget levels. The Tories never really got back above 30 going into 2024 aside from a small handful of polls. Labour really need RefCon to split the right as evenly as possible. The Tories need Reform and Labour to keep each other occupied in the Red Wall
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,790

    carnforth said:

    Today's (and last) holiday Quota:



    Zug, Switzerland. Impossibly rich and clean and quite pretty. Not really a tourist town, but the railway tickets to Lucerne were so astronomically expensive we determined to break the return journey

    Ironic. "Zug" bedeutet "train" in Englisch.
    Interesting. From "pull" in both cases. The tourist guide says it's from pulling i.e hauling fish. The right to do so from the lake, that is.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,916
    edited August 14
    edit
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,081
    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    The site is in decline due to the quality of the discussion.

    See the last thread. We could have had a good conversation on how George Osborne was the most politically significant figure of the last 20 years. Instead the follow-up was a mix of non-sequiturs, pointless pedantry, failed "Gotchas", and a bit on Fatch.

    It's like reading a crap Twitter thread; it's entirely unrewarding to engage with, but filled posts that harvest a few likes from those who are fans of each other and have nothing better to do.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,156
    Leon said:

    There is nothing more jejune than trying to use a posh word like jejune to make a superior point and then MISSPELLING IT

    It’s like people who say “what do you know you pleb you’re just one of the hoi polloi”

    Pure Jejune-o-cringe

    Is the objection to 'you're just one of the hoi polloi' (1) the repetition of 'the' by using hoi, or (2) the failure to use the genitive (tôn pollôn), or (3) the failure to use Greek letters (τῶν πολλῶν) or something else? Asking for a friend.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359
    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    Labour are getting found out now.
    I always thought they'd be in third place by the end of the year.
    Baxtered, it produces Reform 394, Labour 83, Lib Dem 56, Con 43.
    Baxter is utterly useless with this level of change
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,380
    Our 22 year old granddaughter and 16 year old grandson popped in to see us this pm

    The conversation turned to the OSA which they both considered a joke

    Fresh from University our granddaughter affirmed she and her fellow students use VPN but also lots of fun with their fellow students using friends and celebrities faces to gain access to sites

    Our grandson games a lot but hasn't needed vpn but he said everyone in his school down to the youngest knows how to by pass the OSA

    My granddaughter wants it scrapped as do many of her friends

    Interesting conversation
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,790

    carnforth said:

    Today's (and last) holiday Quota:



    Zug, Switzerland. Impossibly rich and clean and quite pretty. Not really a tourist town, but the railway tickets to Lucerne were so astronomically expensive we determined to break the return journey

    Ironic. "Zug" bedeutet "train" in Englisch.
    When in Switzerland for a while, there are all sorts of discount cards for trains. But for only three days, you basically have to pay up. £50 return for the 40 mins from Zurich to Lucerne.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,916
    Not something you expect to read.

    "Ash Sarkar — I underestimated Nigel Farage, he’s outflanking Labour"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/14/the-daily-t-ash-sarkar-i-underestimated-nigel-farage
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,522
    kinabalu said:

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now 13-14 Aug

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    First rumblings of a Kemiquake?
    Don't panic, It's only Find Out Now.

    Could be a ruse to big up Kemi by Reform voters answering Con rather than Reform to keep her in post.

    Alternatively dobbing in that Nigerian kid to the exam police (I suspect the exam police in Nigeria are fearsome and brutal. When I was there 40 years ago there was what was known as the War on Indiscipline, and someone enjoying a beer under a shady tree got given a good hiding by the War on Indiscipline Police) might be working out for her.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,639

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now 13-14 Aug

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    First rumblings of a Kemiquake?
    They did get to 19 with FoN a month ago then dropped off so probably just a fortuitous pair of polls over 2 days that revert next week. Maybe. They'd need a 'breakout' above their min/maxes with someone since the LE to perhaps be moving on up.
    Could be the first sign of Labour hitting their lowest ever VI though - theyve had one 18% with YG in 2019 and scattering of YG 19% in the same period. And now this one.
    Their vote will need to be superefficient to get a 2nd term with 19%. Win 300 marginals by a whisker and poll zero everywhere else. Can't see it.
    19% - 100 seats max maybe?
    19% before Your Party enters the fray formally is pretty ominous.
    Terrible. "2029 is ages away" is doing a lot of work for me atm.
    Labour and the Tories are both polling at Truss just after the mini budget levels. The Tories never really got back above 30 going into 2024 aside from a small handful of polls. Labour really need RefCon to split the right as evenly as possible. The Tories need Reform and Labour to keep each other occupied in the Red Wall
    Meanwhile, the LibDem + Green share is often way above anything they managed in polling during the last Parliament.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,156

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    Labour are getting found out now.
    I always thought they'd be in third place by the end of the year.
    Baxtered, it produces Reform 394, Labour 83, Lib Dem 56, Con 43.
    Baxter is utterly useless with this level of change
    I am almost sure that is right, but wait and see. Meanwhile, is there a workable formula which, without a PhD in maths and stats and 10 hours working out currently enables vote share to convert to seats with any sort of confidence?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,289

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now 13-14 Aug

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    Sleazy, broken, sleazy Reform, Labour AND LibDems on the slide!
    Sleazy, broken UK politics on the slide!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,726

    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Taz said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    Very strange reaction from you.

    All reality tv is ghastly. Unless you begin to watch them. Then, no matter what the flavour (Strictly, Love Island, Traitors, Big Brother) you get to know the characters and the programme becomes a(nother) character-driven drama. No less than Succession or whatnot.

    I get that you feel you must stake out your intellectual prowess but criticising reality shows is not the hill to die on. Plus it is jejeune.
    Panem et circenses
    No.

    Reality shows depend upon characters (love 'em or 'ate 'em). It is therefore arguably the strongest character-driven entertainment. Because it is without artifice. Would any of the eg Love Island contestants last on PB while commenting on Scottish sub-samples? Perhaps not. But they have their own characters and if you invest time getting to know them, they are as intriguing as any Walter White or Iago.

    Meanwhile, talking about circenses, I strongly recommend Burlesque the Musical, playing at the Savoy Theatre. Two and a half hours of cracking fun. Even if one strong emotion I had upon leaving the theatre was I must go on a diet and start working out.
    Indeed.

    Would big brother have prospered without Nasty Nick ?
    S1 of Big Brother was genuinely ground-breaking telly.
    It was. And very prescient given how the genre is now dominant. I was hooked. I even sometimes tuned into the 24/7 cam to watch them sleeping. And without checking I remember the winner, a builder from Liverpool called Craig.
    He had a top 20 Christmas hit off the back of his win.
    Well merited. I have now googled it and I see his full name is Craig Phillips. Nice wiki entry. No tackiness or tragedy since being catapulted to stardom.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,081
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Strictly Come Dancing: There is a betting angle and often there is a political angle, Anne Widdecome, EdBalls etc, etc.

    Neither requirement is noted when posters post photos of their pint, cocktail or breakfast. I know one poster regularly does that, although I can't remember which poster I am thinking of.

    In one ear, out of the other I guess.
    Yes. This is a site which famously restricts itself solely to betting advice
    Well, it should because that makes the discussion and analysis anchored in facts, because money is at stake.

    It's always at its best when that's there. And you learn more.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,639
    algarkirk said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    Labour are getting found out now.
    I always thought they'd be in third place by the end of the year.
    Baxtered, it produces Reform 394, Labour 83, Lib Dem 56, Con 43.
    Baxter is utterly useless with this level of change
    I am almost sure that is right, but wait and see. Meanwhile, is there a workable formula which, without a PhD in maths and stats and 10 hours working out currently enables vote share to convert to seats with any sort of confidence?
    No.

    But Reform on 31% and 12pp ahead of Labour is clearly very good for them and could produce a Commons majority.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now 13-14 Aug

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    First rumblings of a Kemiquake?
    They did get to 19 with FoN a month ago then dropped off so probably just a fortuitous pair of polls over 2 days that revert next week. Maybe. They'd need a 'breakout' above their min/maxes with someone since the LE to perhaps be moving on up.
    Could be the first sign of Labour hitting their lowest ever VI though - theyve had one 18% with YG in 2019 and scattering of YG 19% in the same period. And now this one.
    Their vote will need to be superefficient to get a 2nd term with 19%. Win 300 marginals by a whisker and poll zero everywhere else. Can't see it.
    19% - 100 seats max maybe?
    19% before Your Party enters the fray formally is pretty ominous.
    Terrible. "2029 is ages away" is doing a lot of work for me atm.
    Labour and the Tories are both polling at Truss just after the mini budget levels. The Tories never really got back above 30 going into 2024 aside from a small handful of polls. Labour really need RefCon to split the right as evenly as possible. The Tories need Reform and Labour to keep each other occupied in the Red Wall
    Meanwhile, the LibDem + Green share is often way above anything they managed in polling during the last Parliament.
    They are both about 2 to 3 points above their polling average post Truss, a point or 2 above their 2024 result
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,282

    carnforth said:

    Leon said:

    There is nothing more jejune than trying to use a posh word like jejune to make a superior point and then MISSPELLING IT

    It’s like people who say “what do you know you pleb you’re just one of the hoi polloi”

    Pure Jejune-o-cringe

    Everyone says the hoi polloi. That ship sailed long ago.
    Was it ever docked? In English anyway?
    Thomas Quincey in "Confessions of an English Opium-Eater" (1821):

    "the children of bishops carry about with them an austere and repulsive air, indicative of claims not generally acknowledged, a sort of noli me tangere manner, nervously apprehensive of too familiar approach, and shrinking with the sensitiveness of a gouty man from all contact with the οι πολλοι."
    No sign of Robin Askwith ?
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,282

    Our 22 year old granddaughter and 16 year old grandson popped in to see us this pm

    The conversation turned to the OSA which they both considered a joke

    Fresh from University our granddaughter affirmed she and her fellow students use VPN but also lots of fun with their fellow students using friends and celebrities faces to gain access to sites

    Our grandson games a lot but hasn't needed vpn but he said everyone in his school down to the youngest knows how to by pass the OSA

    My granddaughter wants it scrapped as do many of her friends

    Interesting conversation

    Their either pro OSA or pro Savile, as are the rest of us, according to Labour.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,289
    kinabalu said:

    TOPPING said:

    Taz said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    No self respecting blog discusses Strictly. Shameful.

    I said the site was in decline
    Clearly you don't like it here, so here's your refund.

    OGH used to encourage me write threads on Strictly and Eurovision.

    Here's my first Strictly thread from 2013.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/06/strictly-come-dancing-betting-thread/
    Give over, I'm teasing

    Tho I do utterly detest most Reality TV, with Strictly only outdone by Love Island in terms of Satanic Evil
    Very strange reaction from you.

    All reality tv is ghastly. Unless you begin to watch them. Then, no matter what the flavour (Strictly, Love Island, Traitors, Big Brother) you get to know the characters and the programme becomes a(nother) character-driven drama. No less than Succession or whatnot.

    I get that you feel you must stake out your intellectual prowess but criticising reality shows is not the hill to die on. Plus it is jejeune.
    Panem et circenses
    No.

    Reality shows depend upon characters (love 'em or 'ate 'em). It is therefore arguably the strongest character-driven entertainment. Because it is without artifice. Would any of the eg Love Island contestants last on PB while commenting on Scottish sub-samples? Perhaps not. But they have their own characters and if you invest time getting to know them, they are as intriguing as any Walter White or Iago.

    Meanwhile, talking about circenses, I strongly recommend Burlesque the Musical, playing at the Savoy Theatre. Two and a half hours of cracking fun. Even if one strong emotion I had upon leaving the theatre was I must go on a diet and start working out.
    Indeed.

    Would big brother have prospered without Nasty Nick ?
    S1 of Big Brother was genuinely ground-breaking telly.
    It was. And very prescient given how the genre is now dominant. I was hooked. I even sometimes tuned into the 24/7 cam to watch them sleeping. And without checking I remember the winner, a builder from Liverpool called Craig.
    Confession time! I enjoy Race Around The World, even the celebrity version. Probably because they don’t feature intellectually challenged airheads, who wouldn’t know where they were, let alone where they are going and how to get there. I am also finding Destination X fascinating. It must be because I’m interested in travel.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,347

    kinabalu said:

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now 13-14 Aug

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    First rumblings of a Kemiquake?
    Don't panic, It's only Find Out Now.

    Could be a ruse to big up Kemi by Reform voters answering Con rather than Reform to keep her in post.

    Alternatively dobbing in that Nigerian kid to the exam police (I suspect the exam police in Nigeria are fearsome and brutal. When I was there 40 years ago there was what was known as the War on Indiscipline, and someone enjoying a beer under a shady tree got given a good hiding by the War on Indiscipline Police) might be working out for her.
    The Chinese Tiger Mother is a soft, indulgent parent, compared to her West African counterpart.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,282

    algarkirk said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    Labour are getting found out now.
    I always thought they'd be in third place by the end of the year.
    Baxtered, it produces Reform 394, Labour 83, Lib Dem 56, Con 43.
    Baxter is utterly useless with this level of change
    I am almost sure that is right, but wait and see. Meanwhile, is there a workable formula which, without a PhD in maths and stats and 10 hours working out currently enables vote share to convert to seats with any sort of confidence?
    No.

    But Reform on 31% and 12pp ahead of Labour is clearly very good for them and could produce a Commons majority.
    Seems to be around their ceiling at the moment.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,522
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now 13-14 Aug

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    First rumblings of a Kemiquake?
    They did get to 19 with FoN a month ago then dropped off so probably just a fortuitous pair of polls over 2 days that revert next week. Maybe. They'd need a 'breakout' above their min/maxes with someone since the LE to perhaps be moving on up.
    Could be the first sign of Labour hitting their lowest ever VI though - theyve had one 18% with YG in 2019 and scattering of YG 19% in the same period. And now this one.
    Their vote will need to be superefficient to get a 2nd term with 19%. Win 300 marginals by a whisker and poll zero everywhere else. Can't see it.
    19% - 100 seats max maybe?
    19% before Your Party enters the fray formally is pretty ominous.
    Terrible. "2029 is ages away" is doing a lot of work for me atm.
    Looks ominous for Wales and Scotland but the Andy Burnham Government will walk a second term.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,523

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    Labour are getting found out now.
    I always thought they'd be in third place by the end of the year.
    Baxtered, it produces Reform 394, Labour 83, Lib Dem 56, Con 43.
    Baxter is utterly useless with this level of change
    I misread that as "Badenoch is utterly useless" :lol:
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,360
    Just gone into Swansea and was surprised to see a few people on a footbridge waving Reform signs and Welsh flags. Were getting the odd car horn in support.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,726

    kinabalu said:

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now 13-14 Aug

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    First rumblings of a Kemiquake?
    Don't panic, It's only Find Out Now.

    Could be a ruse to big up Kemi by Reform voters answering Con rather than Reform to keep her in post.

    Alternatively dobbing in that Nigerian kid to the exam police (I suspect the exam police in Nigeria are fearsome and brutal. When I was there 40 years ago there was what was known as the War on Indiscipline, and someone enjoying a beer under a shady tree got given a good hiding by the War on Indiscipline Police) might be working out for her.
    We're an odd country sometimes when it comes to Tory leaders. The (imo) very sweet "fields of wheat" triggers an avalanche of derision whilst this pompous, self-regarding anecdote lights up the polls.

    Actually, Labour hat now, doctors orders is a small Con recovery and a big Reform slide so they split the right wing vote with maximum inefficiency. Signs of the first (maybe), the second to follow in due course.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359
    algarkirk said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Tories catch Labour for a second time, Labour fall below 20 for the first time this parliament and equal their second lowest ever VI

    Find Out Now

    Ref 31 (-1)
    Lab 19 (-1)
    Con 19 (+3)
    LD 12 (-1)
    Grn 10 (+1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    Labour are getting found out now.
    I always thought they'd be in third place by the end of the year.
    Baxtered, it produces Reform 394, Labour 83, Lib Dem 56, Con 43.
    Baxter is utterly useless with this level of change
    I am almost sure that is right, but wait and see. Meanwhile, is there a workable formula which, without a PhD in maths and stats and 10 hours working out currently enables vote share to convert to seats with any sort of confidence?
    No, because no model can possibly account for targeting, firewalls, regions etc. All swingometer models are just 'if UNS/proportionality swing then' basically from some start point (last GE or a blend of MRPs and last election etc)
    I mean 31/19/19/12 probably leads to a Ref majority, sure.
    If we go into a GE with Lab, Con both projected under 100 seats then they will both be throwing everything at their 'best 150' which will in most cases be different seats. And then (for example) if they both get 19% it will be a more efficient 19% than a UNS 19%. Labour might suffer more as they will fall victim to the Tory 2024 problem - the everywhere decline from a big majority in government .
    Whatever the outcome we then het a whole new baxter baseline for 2034.it works much better on small national swings
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