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  • ydoethur said:

    As a Zionist, I support Israel’s right to exist within its originally approved 1947 borders. I understand and sympathise with its territorial expansion in 1948 and 1967, though I do not endorse those changes. Like many, I was horrified by the events of October 2023 and understood the strong reaction that followed. However, this has now gone too far. Israel has lost almost all of its friends, and frankly, I doubt it will exist in thirty years’ time.
    I believe this outcome is exactly what Hamas intended. They wanted Israel to kill tens or even hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. They cared nothing for the suffering or deaths — their aim was to provoke an overreaction that would isolate Israel completely. And, by Jove, they have succeeded. Israel has walked straight into the trap.

    How did Hamas know that so much of the rest of the world would believe and propagate their propaganda?
    Past form?
    I don't remember them having such success before from a mass rape and killing spree, from the river to the sea
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,251
    I have some really upsetting news.

    For work related reasons I have to attend a Hundred match.

    A corporate event, I will be raising a grievance with HR in the morning.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522

    ydoethur said:

    As a Zionist, I support Israel’s right to exist within its originally approved 1947 borders. I understand and sympathise with its territorial expansion in 1948 and 1967, though I do not endorse those changes. Like many, I was horrified by the events of October 2023 and understood the strong reaction that followed. However, this has now gone too far. Israel has lost almost all of its friends, and frankly, I doubt it will exist in thirty years’ time.
    I believe this outcome is exactly what Hamas intended. They wanted Israel to kill tens or even hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. They cared nothing for the suffering or deaths — their aim was to provoke an overreaction that would isolate Israel completely. And, by Jove, they have succeeded. Israel has walked straight into the trap.

    How did Hamas know that so much of the rest of the world would believe and propagate their propaganda?
    Past form?
    I don't remember them having such success before from a mass rape and killing spree, from the river to the sea
    IDF doing the mass killing and starving now...
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,262

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
    Why have Israel banned journalists from entering Gaza? What have they got to hide?
    They don't want to have to rescue more hostages
    There's only one thing to be done.

    Recognise the West Bank as a sovereign Palestinian State, withdraw all support for Israel to settle it, get the settlers out, evacuate the Gazans there, and just give Gaza to Israel.
    100%
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,106

    I have some really upsetting news.

    For work related reasons I have to attend a Hundred match.

    A corporate event, I will be raising a grievance with HR in the morning.

    In a few years time we will look back at this as the pivotal moment when you became a fan of The Hundred. Maybe.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,838

    I have some really upsetting news.

    For work related reasons I have to attend a Hundred match.

    A corporate event, I will be raising a grievance with HR in the morning.

    In a few years time we will look back at this as the pivotal moment when you became a fan of The Hundred. Maybe.
    Make sure you specify exactly how you want your pineapple pizza
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,251

    I have some really upsetting news.

    For work related reasons I have to attend a Hundred match.

    A corporate event, I will be raising a grievance with HR in the morning.

    In a few years time we will look back at this as the pivotal moment when you became a fan of The Hundred. Maybe.
    There's more chance of me becoming a fan of Max Verstappen.
  • ydoethur said:

    As a Zionist, I support Israel’s right to exist within its originally approved 1947 borders. I understand and sympathise with its territorial expansion in 1948 and 1967, though I do not endorse those changes. Like many, I was horrified by the events of October 2023 and understood the strong reaction that followed. However, this has now gone too far. Israel has lost almost all of its friends, and frankly, I doubt it will exist in thirty years’ time.
    I believe this outcome is exactly what Hamas intended. They wanted Israel to kill tens or even hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. They cared nothing for the suffering or deaths — their aim was to provoke an overreaction that would isolate Israel completely. And, by Jove, they have succeeded. Israel has walked straight into the trap.

    How did Hamas know that so much of the rest of the world would believe and propagate their propaganda?
    Past form?
    I don't remember them having such success before from a mass rape and killing spree, from the river to the sea
    IDF doing the mass killing and starving now...
    The stupidest genocide of all time - one hundred a day in food queues; all somehow killed off camera and about ten starving each day

    Hamas are the genocidists

    They want all the Jews dead and they will accept any number of dead Palestinians to facilitate that

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,675

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
    Hamas are a death cult. They are pure evil.

    Israel is, and should be measured by United Nations adjudicated metrics. Ben G'vir, Smotrich and Netanyahu are running Israel as a rogue state.
    What I’d like to know is if as Bibi says Gazans are gagging to be freed from Hamas, why is he slaughtering so many of them?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522

    ydoethur said:

    As a Zionist, I support Israel’s right to exist within its originally approved 1947 borders. I understand and sympathise with its territorial expansion in 1948 and 1967, though I do not endorse those changes. Like many, I was horrified by the events of October 2023 and understood the strong reaction that followed. However, this has now gone too far. Israel has lost almost all of its friends, and frankly, I doubt it will exist in thirty years’ time.
    I believe this outcome is exactly what Hamas intended. They wanted Israel to kill tens or even hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. They cared nothing for the suffering or deaths — their aim was to provoke an overreaction that would isolate Israel completely. And, by Jove, they have succeeded. Israel has walked straight into the trap.

    How did Hamas know that so much of the rest of the world would believe and propagate their propaganda?
    Past form?
    I don't remember them having such success before from a mass rape and killing spree, from the river to the sea
    IDF doing the mass killing and starving now...
    The stupidest genocide of all time - one hundred a day in food queues; all somehow killed off camera and about ten starving each day

    Hamas are the genocidists

    They want all the Jews dead and they will accept any number of dead Palestinians to facilitate that

    IDF want the Palestinians dead too. They is just as bad as Hamas.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,106
    edited August 11

    I have some really upsetting news.

    For work related reasons I have to attend a Hundred match.

    A corporate event, I will be raising a grievance with HR in the morning.

    In a few years time we will look back at this as the pivotal moment when you became a fan of The Hundred. Maybe.
    There's more chance of me becoming a fan of Max Verstappen.
    Given how Red Bull are trending, Northern Superchargers might be a better bet for him.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,251

    I have some really upsetting news.

    For work related reasons I have to attend a Hundred match.

    A corporate event, I will be raising a grievance with HR in the morning.

    In a few years time we will look back at this as the pivotal moment when you became a fan of The Hundred. Maybe.
    There's more chance of me becoming a fan of Max Verstappen.
    Given how Red Bull are trending, Northern Superchargers might be a better bet for him.
    The match I am attending is at Headingley featuring the Northern Superchargers v. The Manchester Originals.
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,272

    I have some really upsetting news.

    For work related reasons I have to attend a Hundred match.

    A corporate event, I will be raising a grievance with HR in the morning.

    In a few years time we will look back at this as the pivotal moment when you became a fan of The Hundred. Maybe.
    There's more chance of me becoming a fan of Max Verstappen.
    Given how Red Bull are trending, Northern Superchargers might be a better bet for him.
    Apparently they’re in for the Falcons Rugby team too.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,069

    I see Morris Dancer has been giving Trump history lessons.

    Trump said that during their conversation, Hungarian PM Orbán ruled out a Ukrainian victory over Russia, claiming that Russia “doesn’t surrender in wars” and historically emerges victorious.

    Crimean war 1856
    Russo-Japanese War 1905
    WW1 1918
    Polish-Soviet war 1921
    The Cold fucking War 1989
    The Afghan war 1989

    https://x.com/NickCohen4/status/1954988657837769138

    When was the last time Hungary won a war ?

    It must have been before Mohacs in 1526, possibly before Lechfeld in 955.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,903
    Once you go to a Hundred match you realise what a good idea they are in terms of getting new fans interested in the game.
  • ydoethur said:

    As a Zionist, I support Israel’s right to exist within its originally approved 1947 borders. I understand and sympathise with its territorial expansion in 1948 and 1967, though I do not endorse those changes. Like many, I was horrified by the events of October 2023 and understood the strong reaction that followed. However, this has now gone too far. Israel has lost almost all of its friends, and frankly, I doubt it will exist in thirty years’ time.
    I believe this outcome is exactly what Hamas intended. They wanted Israel to kill tens or even hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. They cared nothing for the suffering or deaths — their aim was to provoke an overreaction that would isolate Israel completely. And, by Jove, they have succeeded. Israel has walked straight into the trap.

    How did Hamas know that so much of the rest of the world would believe and propagate their propaganda?
    Past form?
    I don't remember them having such success before from a mass rape and killing spree, from the river to the sea
    IDF doing the mass killing and starving now...
    The stupidest genocide of all time - one hundred a day in food queues; all somehow killed off camera and about ten starving each day

    Hamas are the genocidists

    They want all the Jews dead and they will accept any number of dead Palestinians to facilitate that

    IDF want the Palestinians dead too. They is just as bad as Hamas.
    Do you think that Israel has run out of bombs?

    Israel could kill all Gazans over a weekend

    Why are they only killing one hundred a day at completely hidden food queues?

    They must be really fucking stupid, as well as insanely evil
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,275

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    1h
    Can someone explain why no Labour Minister is prepared to go to Epping, and other areas impacted by this policy, to at least hear local resident’s concerns.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1954979351654531072

  • (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    1h
    Can someone explain why no Labour Minister is prepared to go to Epping, and other areas impacted by this policy, to at least hear local resident’s concerns.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1954979351654531072

    I hope it was residents'
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,123
    edited August 11
    An interesting story that we may not have mentioned.

    The founder of The Entertainer toyshop chain is transferring the business with 1900 employees to 100% employee ownership. He founded it in one shop in 1981. His family will get some dividends back later.

    It's interesting to me because he is motivated in his philosophy by his born-again evangelical faith, but he seems to have kept an appropriate distance. It's not the kind of direct "God told me to" management of the business, more taking principles and values, concern for employees and so on - quite Quaker style. I'm far more comfortable with that than with the approach we see far too often in the USA.

    This is the first one of these known to me since Scott-Bader Ltd decades ago, which is now the Scott-Bader Commonwealth. There they consciously took inspiration from the Quaker tradition. I'm sure thee are others.

    Gary Grant opened his first shop with his wife Catherine in 1981 when he was 23. He's now 66, and his multi-million pound empire spans 160 shops across the UK.

    He is transferring 100% ownership of the family-owned business to an employee trust which means staff will get a share of the profits and a say in how the firm is run.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2jjwmw9jo

    An older interview about his ethos, which shows he has had to work at his practices, and sometimes not got the balance quite right (in my opinion). They tithe their profits to charity.
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/dec/17/gary-grant-entertainer-toyshop
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,168

    I see Morris Dancer has been giving Trump history lessons.

    Trump said that during their conversation, Hungarian PM Orbán ruled out a Ukrainian victory over Russia, claiming that Russia “doesn’t surrender in wars” and historically emerges victorious.

    Crimean war 1856
    Russo-Japanese War 1905
    WW1 1918
    Polish-Soviet war 1921
    The Cold fucking War 1989
    The Afghan war 1989

    https://x.com/NickCohen4/status/1954988657837769138

    When was the last time Hungary won a war ?

    It must have been before Mohacs in 1526, possibly before Lechfeld in 955.
    This is the actual quote.
    One of the dumbest presidents in history.

    President Trump:

    "I asked a question to a very smart man that some people like and some people don't like - Victor Orbán, the head of Hungary. He knows the two countries very well. I said, 'So, can Russia be beaten by Ukraine?' He looked at me like, 'What a stupid question.'

    He said, 'Russia is a massive country and they win their country and they win their life through wars. They fight wars. That's what they do. China beats you with trade, Russia beats you with war.'

    It was a very interesting statement."

    https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1954938228936454513
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522
    MattW said:

    An interesting story that we may not have mentioned.

    The founder of The Entertainer toyshop chain is transferring the business with 1900 employees to 100% employee ownership. He founded it in one shop in 1981. His family will get some dividends back later.

    It's interesting to me because he is motivated in his philosophy by his born-again evangelical faith, but he seems to have kept an appropriate distance. It's not the kind of direct "God told me to" management of the business, more taking principles and values, concern for employees and so on - quite Quaker style. I'm far more comfortable with that than with the approach we see far too often in the USA.

    This is the first one of these known to me since Scott-Bader Ltd decades ago, which is now the Scott-Bader Commonwealth. There they consciously took inspiration from the Quaker tradition. I'm sure thee are others.

    Gary Grant opened his first shop with his wife Catherine in 1981 when he was 23. He's now 66, and his multi-million pound empire spans 160 shops across the UK.

    He is transferring 100% ownership of the family-owned business to an employee trust which means staff will get a share of the profits and a say in how the firm is run.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2jjwmw9jo

    An older interview about his ethos, which shows he has had to work at his practices. They tithe their profits to charity:
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/dec/17/gary-grant-entertainer-toyshop

    They're closed on Sundays.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,561
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    A propos very little, I was out and about on Saturday morning primarily to get the Racing Post (yes, I know I can read it online but I'm a bluff old traditionalist) and saw my local neighbourhood Police Officer with another officer taking a shoplifter into custody.

    While there are no doubt many who shoplift simply because they think they can get away with it, it's also clear a number of shoplifters have mental health and/or addiction issues.

    It's easy to tar all who transgress with the same brush and regrettably it seems attitudes to mental health problems and addictions have hardened in recent times.

    As a further aside, the closure and subsequent sale of East Ham Police Station by the London Mayor at the time, Boris Johnson, has been catastrophic for law enforcement in this part of London. From the other side of the capital, I read Wimbledon MP Paul Kohler is leading the fight to prevent the closure of Wimbledon Police Station.

    This act of blatant stupidity by the Met is for me unforgivable and indeed I'd support a London Mayoral candidate committed to restporing a Police presence in High Streets.

    The closure of police stations and the replacement by panda cars is a wonderful example of the fallacy of “data rules ok”.

    The data didn’t capture the deterrent effect / community benefits of a visible presence
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    1h
    Can someone explain why no Labour Minister is prepared to go to Epping, and other areas impacted by this policy, to at least hear local resident’s concerns.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/1954979351654531072

    I hope it was residents'
    Full stop?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,801
    edited August 11
    MattW said:

    An interesting story that we may not have mentioned.

    The founder of The Entertainer toyshop chain is transferring the business with 1900 employees to 100% employee ownership. He founded it in one shop in 1981. His family will get some dividends back later.

    It's interesting to me because he is motivated in his philosophy by his born-again evangelical faith, but he seems to have kept an appropriate distance. It's not the kind of direct "God told me to" management of the business, more taking principles and values, concern for employees and so on - quite Quaker style. I'm far more comfortable with that than with the approach we see far too often in the USA.

    This is the first one of these known to me since Scott-Bader Ltd decades ago, which is now the Scott-Bader Commonwealth. There they consciously took inspiration from the Quaker tradition. I'm sure thee are others.

    Gary Grant opened his first shop with his wife Catherine in 1981 when he was 23. He's now 66, and his multi-million pound empire spans 160 shops across the UK.

    He is transferring 100% ownership of the family-owned business to an employee trust which means staff will get a share of the profits and a say in how the firm is run.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2jjwmw9jo

    An older interview about his ethos, which shows he has had to work at his practices. They tithe their profits to charity:
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/dec/17/gary-grant-entertainer-toyshop

    Not to be totally cynical, but doing this is a super tax efficient way of cashing out from your business. He isn't just giving away his business. It isn't that uncommon approach these days.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,838
    Andy_JS said:

    Once you go to a Hundred match you realise what a good idea they are in terms of getting new fans interested in the game.

    But we don't want them to be interested in the Hundred. We want them to be interested in cricket.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,838
    Nigelb said:

    I see Morris Dancer has been giving Trump history lessons.

    Trump said that during their conversation, Hungarian PM Orbán ruled out a Ukrainian victory over Russia, claiming that Russia “doesn’t surrender in wars” and historically emerges victorious.

    Crimean war 1856
    Russo-Japanese War 1905
    WW1 1918
    Polish-Soviet war 1921
    The Cold fucking War 1989
    The Afghan war 1989

    https://x.com/NickCohen4/status/1954988657837769138

    When was the last time Hungary won a war ?

    It must have been before Mohacs in 1526, possibly before Lechfeld in 955.
    This is the actual quote.
    One of the dumbest presidents in history.
    Tht implies there are others who were maybe almost equally dumb. Who did you have in mind for that?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,801
    You must really hate your clients if you organise a corporate at a Hundred match.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522

    ydoethur said:

    As a Zionist, I support Israel’s right to exist within its originally approved 1947 borders. I understand and sympathise with its territorial expansion in 1948 and 1967, though I do not endorse those changes. Like many, I was horrified by the events of October 2023 and understood the strong reaction that followed. However, this has now gone too far. Israel has lost almost all of its friends, and frankly, I doubt it will exist in thirty years’ time.
    I believe this outcome is exactly what Hamas intended. They wanted Israel to kill tens or even hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. They cared nothing for the suffering or deaths — their aim was to provoke an overreaction that would isolate Israel completely. And, by Jove, they have succeeded. Israel has walked straight into the trap.

    How did Hamas know that so much of the rest of the world would believe and propagate their propaganda?
    Past form?
    I don't remember them having such success before from a mass rape and killing spree, from the river to the sea
    IDF doing the mass killing and starving now...
    The stupidest genocide of all time - one hundred a day in food queues; all somehow killed off camera and about ten starving each day

    Hamas are the genocidists

    They want all the Jews dead and they will accept any number of dead Palestinians to facilitate that

    IDF want the Palestinians dead too. They is just as bad as Hamas.
    Do you think that Israel has run out of bombs?

    Israel could kill all Gazans over a weekend

    Why are they only killing one hundred a day at completely hidden food queues?

    They must be really fucking stupid, as well as insanely evil
    The Bosnian Serbs killed "only" 7,000 at Srebrenica in 1995, yet the Bosnian Muslims numbered 1.5 million at that time.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,801
    Andy_JS said:

    Once you go to a Hundred match you realise what a good idea they are in terms of getting new fans interested in the game.

    The recent research that the Hundred has failed at this.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,123
    edited August 11

    MattW said:

    An interesting story that we may not have mentioned.

    The founder of The Entertainer toyshop chain is transferring the business with 1900 employees to 100% employee ownership. He founded it in one shop in 1981. His family will get some dividends back later.

    It's interesting to me because he is motivated in his philosophy by his born-again evangelical faith, but he seems to have kept an appropriate distance. It's not the kind of direct "God told me to" management of the business, more taking principles and values, concern for employees and so on - quite Quaker style. I'm far more comfortable with that than with the approach we see far too often in the USA.

    This is the first one of these known to me since Scott-Bader Ltd decades ago, which is now the Scott-Bader Commonwealth. There they consciously took inspiration from the Quaker tradition. I'm sure thee are others.

    Gary Grant opened his first shop with his wife Catherine in 1981 when he was 23. He's now 66, and his multi-million pound empire spans 160 shops across the UK.

    He is transferring 100% ownership of the family-owned business to an employee trust which means staff will get a share of the profits and a say in how the firm is run.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2jjwmw9jo

    An older interview about his ethos, which shows he has had to work at his practices. They tithe their profits to charity:
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/dec/17/gary-grant-entertainer-toyshop

    Not to be totally cynical, but doing this is a super tax efficient way of cashing out from your business. He isn't just giving away his business.
    Quite possibly - I have not seen any detailed figures; I guess the taxefficiency would depend on the level of dividend. But I applaud transferring the ownership to employees - and presumably he us making less than compared to a straight sell off done tax efficiently.

    Does anyone know how the two routes compare financially?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359
    ydoethur said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Once you go to a Hundred match you realise what a good idea they are in terms of getting new fans interested in the game.

    But we don't want them to be interested in the Hundred. We want them to be interested in cricket.
    'Make the players MCU characters and free toffee apples for all then make Michael Vaughan say its the best thing ever'
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,592
    edited August 11

    I see Morris Dancer has been giving Trump history lessons.

    Trump said that during their conversation, Hungarian PM Orbán ruled out a Ukrainian victory over Russia, claiming that Russia “doesn’t surrender in wars” and historically emerges victorious.

    Crimean war 1856
    Russo-Japanese War 1905
    WW1 1918
    Polish-Soviet war 1921
    The Cold fucking War 1989
    The Afghan war 1989

    https://x.com/NickCohen4/status/1954988657837769138

    When was the last time Hungary won a war ?

    It must have been before Mohacs in 1526, possibly before Lechfeld in 955.
    Orban grew up in the aftermath of Hungary losing to the USSR in 1945* and 1956**, so that probably affects his view of Russian military power.

    *actually Budapest surrendered to the 3rd Ukranian Front.

    ** actually ordered by Kruschev, a Ukrainian.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522

    I see Morris Dancer has been giving Trump history lessons.

    Trump said that during their conversation, Hungarian PM Orbán ruled out a Ukrainian victory over Russia, claiming that Russia “doesn’t surrender in wars” and historically emerges victorious.

    Crimean war 1856
    Russo-Japanese War 1905
    WW1 1918
    Polish-Soviet war 1921
    The Cold fucking War 1989
    The Afghan war 1989

    https://x.com/NickCohen4/status/1954988657837769138

    When was the last time Hungary won a war ?

    It must have been before Mohacs in 1526, possibly before Lechfeld in 955.
    Hmm. Would against the Slovaks in 1939 count?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak–Hungarian_War

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,838

    Andy_JS said:

    Once you go to a Hundred match you realise what a good idea they are in terms of getting new fans interested in the game.

    The recent research that the Hundred has failed at this.
    Isn't it migrating to a T 20 format in the future? So essentially it will have driven franchises via the back door.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,251

    You must really hate your clients if you organise a corporate at a Hundred match.

    The organiser is connected to one of the new owners of The Hundred franchisees.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,801
    edited August 11
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    An interesting story that we may not have mentioned.

    The founder of The Entertainer toyshop chain is transferring the business with 1900 employees to 100% employee ownership. He founded it in one shop in 1981. His family will get some dividends back later.

    It's interesting to me because he is motivated in his philosophy by his born-again evangelical faith, but he seems to have kept an appropriate distance. It's not the kind of direct "God told me to" management of the business, more taking principles and values, concern for employees and so on - quite Quaker style. I'm far more comfortable with that than with the approach we see far too often in the USA.

    This is the first one of these known to me since Scott-Bader Ltd decades ago, which is now the Scott-Bader Commonwealth. There they consciously took inspiration from the Quaker tradition. I'm sure thee are others.

    Gary Grant opened his first shop with his wife Catherine in 1981 when he was 23. He's now 66, and his multi-million pound empire spans 160 shops across the UK.

    He is transferring 100% ownership of the family-owned business to an employee trust which means staff will get a share of the profits and a say in how the firm is run.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2jjwmw9jo

    An older interview about his ethos, which shows he has had to work at his practices. They tithe their profits to charity:
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/dec/17/gary-grant-entertainer-toyshop

    Not to be totally cynical, but doing this is a super tax efficient way of cashing out from your business. He isn't just giving away his business.
    Quite possibly - I have not seen any detailed figures; I guess the taxefficiency would depend on the level of dividend. But I applaud transferring the ownership to employees - and presumably he us making less than compared to a straight sell off done tax efficiently.

    Does anyone know how the two routes compare financially?
    There is special tax conditions if you sell / give your company to an employee owned vehicle. If you wanted to really maximise, you take some in as in form of a cash purchase plus share of profit as dividends for say 5-10 years into the future.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    I see Morris Dancer has been giving Trump history lessons.

    Trump said that during their conversation, Hungarian PM Orbán ruled out a Ukrainian victory over Russia, claiming that Russia “doesn’t surrender in wars” and historically emerges victorious.

    Crimean war 1856
    Russo-Japanese War 1905
    WW1 1918
    Polish-Soviet war 1921
    The Cold fucking War 1989
    The Afghan war 1989

    https://x.com/NickCohen4/status/1954988657837769138

    When was the last time Hungary won a war ?

    It must have been before Mohacs in 1526, possibly before Lechfeld in 955.
    This is the actual quote.
    One of the dumbest presidents in history.
    Tht implies there are others who were maybe almost equally dumb. Who did you have in mind for that?
    Hmmm....

    "I call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers. Thank you. Now, watch this drive!"
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359
    edited August 11
    What shall we call the teams?
    Name some of them after cities, some after regions and some after cricket grounds. Name one of them after a river AND the ground. Oh, and one after the people of a nation. With snazzy adjuncts that represent nothing.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,592
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    An interesting story that we may not have mentioned.

    The founder of The Entertainer toyshop chain is transferring the business with 1900 employees to 100% employee ownership. He founded it in one shop in 1981. His family will get some dividends back later.

    It's interesting to me because he is motivated in his philosophy by his born-again evangelical faith, but he seems to have kept an appropriate distance. It's not the kind of direct "God told me to" management of the business, more taking principles and values, concern for employees and so on - quite Quaker style. I'm far more comfortable with that than with the approach we see far too often in the USA.

    This is the first one of these known to me since Scott-Bader Ltd decades ago, which is now the Scott-Bader Commonwealth. There they consciously took inspiration from the Quaker tradition. I'm sure thee are others.

    Gary Grant opened his first shop with his wife Catherine in 1981 when he was 23. He's now 66, and his multi-million pound empire spans 160 shops across the UK.

    He is transferring 100% ownership of the family-owned business to an employee trust which means staff will get a share of the profits and a say in how the firm is run.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2jjwmw9jo

    An older interview about his ethos, which shows he has had to work at his practices. They tithe their profits to charity:
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/dec/17/gary-grant-entertainer-toyshop

    Not to be totally cynical, but doing this is a super tax efficient way of cashing out from your business. He isn't just giving away his business.
    Quite possibly - I have not seen any detailed figures; I guess the taxefficiency would depend on the level of dividend. But I applaud transferring the ownership to employees - and presumably he us making less than compared to a straight sell off done tax efficiently.

    Does anyone know how the two routes compare financially?
    Julian Richer (of Richer Sounds) did much the same.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/may/18/richer-sounds-boss-julian-richer-has-no-regrets?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    He also is motivated in part by Christian faith. He was ordained a vicar in 2006.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,069

    I see Morris Dancer has been giving Trump history lessons.

    Trump said that during their conversation, Hungarian PM Orbán ruled out a Ukrainian victory over Russia, claiming that Russia “doesn’t surrender in wars” and historically emerges victorious.

    Crimean war 1856
    Russo-Japanese War 1905
    WW1 1918
    Polish-Soviet war 1921
    The Cold fucking War 1989
    The Afghan war 1989

    https://x.com/NickCohen4/status/1954988657837769138

    When was the last time Hungary won a war ?

    It must have been before Mohacs in 1526, possibly before Lechfeld in 955.
    Hmm. Would against the Slovaks in 1939 count?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak–Hungarian_War

    Given that Hungary controls none of that land then no.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,251

    What shall we call the teams?
    Name some of them after cities, some after regions and some after cricket grounds. Name one of them after a river AND the ground. Oh, and one after the people of a nation. With snazzy adjuncts that represent nothing.

    I'd name them the way I'd name London terminals.

    Waterloo, Agincourt, Trafalgar, Mers-el-Kébir, etc.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,359
    edited August 11

    What shall we call the teams?
    Name some of them after cities, some after regions and some after cricket grounds. Name one of them after a river AND the ground. Oh, and one after the people of a nation. With snazzy adjuncts that represent nothing.

    I'd name them the way I'd name London terminals.

    Waterloo, Agincourt, Trafalgar, Mers-el-Kébir, etc.
    Id go for cultured names
    The Otters Pockets
    The Wizards Sleeves etc
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522

    I see Morris Dancer has been giving Trump history lessons.

    Trump said that during their conversation, Hungarian PM Orbán ruled out a Ukrainian victory over Russia, claiming that Russia “doesn’t surrender in wars” and historically emerges victorious.

    Crimean war 1856
    Russo-Japanese War 1905
    WW1 1918
    Polish-Soviet war 1921
    The Cold fucking War 1989
    The Afghan war 1989

    https://x.com/NickCohen4/status/1954988657837769138

    When was the last time Hungary won a war ?

    It must have been before Mohacs in 1526, possibly before Lechfeld in 955.
    Hmm. Would against the Slovaks in 1939 count?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak–Hungarian_War

    Given that Hungary controls none of that land then no.

    Well, they did control southern Slovakia and Transcarpathia for a few years. They subsequently even gained Northern Transylvania and parts of Yugoslavia, though they were abetted by the Nazis in those adventures!
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,687
    Andy_JS said:

    Once you go to a Hundred match you realise what a good idea they are in terms of getting new fans interested in the game.

    Rugby is different from soccer; baseball is different from rounders; netball is different from basketball. Why can't The Hundred accept that it's a different sport and move on? It's the parasitic attachment to cricket that sticks in the craw.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,801
    edited August 11
    The teams will be Sunrisers, King's etc as they are in IPL, SA20, MLC, etc owned by the same people all settings for global T20 world tour.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522
    edited August 11

    What shall we call the teams?
    Name some of them after cities, some after regions and some after cricket grounds. Name one of them after a river AND the ground. Oh, and one after the people of a nation. With snazzy adjuncts that represent nothing.

    I'd name them the way I'd name London terminals.

    Waterloo, Agincourt, Trafalgar, Mers-el-Kébir, etc.
    I would personally rename "Liverpool Street" to its original name of Bishopsgate to avoid confusion with Liverpool Lime Street.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,900

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    An interesting story that we may not have mentioned.

    The founder of The Entertainer toyshop chain is transferring the business with 1900 employees to 100% employee ownership. He founded it in one shop in 1981. His family will get some dividends back later.

    It's interesting to me because he is motivated in his philosophy by his born-again evangelical faith, but he seems to have kept an appropriate distance. It's not the kind of direct "God told me to" management of the business, more taking principles and values, concern for employees and so on - quite Quaker style. I'm far more comfortable with that than with the approach we see far too often in the USA.

    This is the first one of these known to me since Scott-Bader Ltd decades ago, which is now the Scott-Bader Commonwealth. There they consciously took inspiration from the Quaker tradition. I'm sure thee are others.

    Gary Grant opened his first shop with his wife Catherine in 1981 when he was 23. He's now 66, and his multi-million pound empire spans 160 shops across the UK.

    He is transferring 100% ownership of the family-owned business to an employee trust which means staff will get a share of the profits and a say in how the firm is run.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2jjwmw9jo

    An older interview about his ethos, which shows he has had to work at his practices. They tithe their profits to charity:
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/dec/17/gary-grant-entertainer-toyshop

    Not to be totally cynical, but doing this is a super tax efficient way of cashing out from your business. He isn't just giving away his business.
    Quite possibly - I have not seen any detailed figures; I guess the taxefficiency would depend on the level of dividend. But I applaud transferring the ownership to employees - and presumably he us making less than compared to a straight sell off done tax efficiently.

    Does anyone know how the two routes compare financially?
    There is special tax conditions if you sell / give your company to an employee owned vehicle. If you wanted to really maximise, you take some in as in form of a cash purchase plus share of profit as dividends for say 5-10 years into the future.
    True but I suspect (because it's about 10 years since I last spoke to Gary) that the sales approach is very much designed to ensure the chain doesn't open on a Sunday and continues to refuse to sell Harry Potter related items..
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,801
    edited August 11
    eek said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    An interesting story that we may not have mentioned.

    The founder of The Entertainer toyshop chain is transferring the business with 1900 employees to 100% employee ownership. He founded it in one shop in 1981. His family will get some dividends back later.

    It's interesting to me because he is motivated in his philosophy by his born-again evangelical faith, but he seems to have kept an appropriate distance. It's not the kind of direct "God told me to" management of the business, more taking principles and values, concern for employees and so on - quite Quaker style. I'm far more comfortable with that than with the approach we see far too often in the USA.

    This is the first one of these known to me since Scott-Bader Ltd decades ago, which is now the Scott-Bader Commonwealth. There they consciously took inspiration from the Quaker tradition. I'm sure thee are others.

    Gary Grant opened his first shop with his wife Catherine in 1981 when he was 23. He's now 66, and his multi-million pound empire spans 160 shops across the UK.

    He is transferring 100% ownership of the family-owned business to an employee trust which means staff will get a share of the profits and a say in how the firm is run.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2jjwmw9jo

    An older interview about his ethos, which shows he has had to work at his practices. They tithe their profits to charity:
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/dec/17/gary-grant-entertainer-toyshop

    Not to be totally cynical, but doing this is a super tax efficient way of cashing out from your business. He isn't just giving away his business.
    Quite possibly - I have not seen any detailed figures; I guess the taxefficiency would depend on the level of dividend. But I applaud transferring the ownership to employees - and presumably he us making less than compared to a straight sell off done tax efficiently.

    Does anyone know how the two routes compare financially?
    There is special tax conditions if you sell / give your company to an employee owned vehicle. If you wanted to really maximise, you take some in as in form of a cash purchase plus share of profit as dividends for say 5-10 years into the future.
    True but I suspect (because it's about 10 years since I last spoke to Gary) that the sales approach is very much designed to ensure the chain doesn't open on a Sunday and continues to refuse to sell Harry Potter related items..
    They is why I don't think its totally cynical maximising cash out. It isn't squeezing every possible advantage. But it certainly a way of doing so in a fairly tax efficient manner and retain some control / influence.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,638
    Barnesian said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
    Why have Israel banned journalists from entering Gaza? What have they got to hide?
    They don't want to have to rescue more hostages
    There's only one thing to be done.

    Recognise the West Bank as a sovereign Palestinian State, withdraw all support for Israel to settle it, get the settlers out, evacuate the Gazans there, and just give Gaza to Israel.
    100%
    Israel under its current government isn't giving up the West Bank, or Gaza, or the territory it has recently seized in Syria, or the Golan Heights. While Trump supports Israel, Israel is going to slowly annex them all. Maybe Bibi will go back into southern Lebanon next.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,638

    ydoethur said:

    As a Zionist, I support Israel’s right to exist within its originally approved 1947 borders. I understand and sympathise with its territorial expansion in 1948 and 1967, though I do not endorse those changes. Like many, I was horrified by the events of October 2023 and understood the strong reaction that followed. However, this has now gone too far. Israel has lost almost all of its friends, and frankly, I doubt it will exist in thirty years’ time.
    I believe this outcome is exactly what Hamas intended. They wanted Israel to kill tens or even hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. They cared nothing for the suffering or deaths — their aim was to provoke an overreaction that would isolate Israel completely. And, by Jove, they have succeeded. Israel has walked straight into the trap.

    How did Hamas know that so much of the rest of the world would believe and propagate their propaganda?
    Past form?
    I don't remember them having such success before from a mass rape and killing spree, from the river to the sea
    IDF doing the mass killing and starving now...
    The stupidest genocide of all time - one hundred a day in food queues; all somehow killed off camera and about ten starving each day

    Hamas are the genocidists

    They want all the Jews dead and they will accept any number of dead Palestinians to facilitate that

    IDF want the Palestinians dead too. They is just as bad as Hamas.
    I would note that the IDF have, to a limited degree, been pushing back against Netanyahu's orders.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,275
    Royal Academy of Engineering
    @RAEngNews

    We are deeply saddened to learn the news of the passing of Academy Fellow Dame Stephanie Shirley. A pioneering tech entrepreneur, philanthropist and icon for gender equality, she will continue to be an inspiration to many.

    https://x.com/RAEngNews/status/1954936060770668764
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,838

    Andy_JS said:

    Once you go to a Hundred match you realise what a good idea they are in terms of getting new fans interested in the game.

    Rugby is different from soccer; baseball is different from rounders; netball is different from basketball. Why can't The Hundred accept that it's a different sport and move on? It's the parasitic attachment to cricket that sticks in the craw.
    The hundred is demonstrably cricket. Cricket had always had various formats. Much of the history of country cricket took place with three day games, albeit with many more overs per day than now. Overs haven't always been six balls either. If you watch the play in a hundred game then flick over to a T20 I think you would struggle to differentiate without the ghastly graphics. Suggesting it's different in the way that rugby and football are is nonsense. (Although my late uncle, a navy man insisted on calling rugby, football when ever we met...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522

    Andy_JS said:

    Once you go to a Hundred match you realise what a good idea they are in terms of getting new fans interested in the game.

    Rugby is different from soccer; baseball is different from rounders; netball is different from basketball. Why can't The Hundred accept that it's a different sport and move on? It's the parasitic attachment to cricket that sticks in the craw.
    The hundred is demonstrably cricket. Cricket had always had various formats. Much of the history of country cricket took place with three day games, albeit with many more overs per day than now. Overs haven't always been six balls either. If you watch the play in a hundred game then flick over to a T20 I think you would struggle to differentiate without the ghastly graphics. Suggesting it's different in the way that rugby and football are is nonsense. (Although my late uncle, a navy man insisted on calling rugby, football when ever we met...
    They should rename T20 to "One Hundred and Eighty Twenty".
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,638

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    An interesting story that we may not have mentioned.

    The founder of The Entertainer toyshop chain is transferring the business with 1900 employees to 100% employee ownership. He founded it in one shop in 1981. His family will get some dividends back later.

    It's interesting to me because he is motivated in his philosophy by his born-again evangelical faith, but he seems to have kept an appropriate distance. It's not the kind of direct "God told me to" management of the business, more taking principles and values, concern for employees and so on - quite Quaker style. I'm far more comfortable with that than with the approach we see far too often in the USA.

    This is the first one of these known to me since Scott-Bader Ltd decades ago, which is now the Scott-Bader Commonwealth. There they consciously took inspiration from the Quaker tradition. I'm sure thee are others.

    Gary Grant opened his first shop with his wife Catherine in 1981 when he was 23. He's now 66, and his multi-million pound empire spans 160 shops across the UK.

    He is transferring 100% ownership of the family-owned business to an employee trust which means staff will get a share of the profits and a say in how the firm is run.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2jjwmw9jo

    An older interview about his ethos, which shows he has had to work at his practices. They tithe their profits to charity:
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/dec/17/gary-grant-entertainer-toyshop

    Not to be totally cynical, but doing this is a super tax efficient way of cashing out from your business. He isn't just giving away his business.
    Quite possibly - I have not seen any detailed figures; I guess the taxefficiency would depend on the level of dividend. But I applaud transferring the ownership to employees - and presumably he us making less than compared to a straight sell off done tax efficiently.

    Does anyone know how the two routes compare financially?
    There is special tax conditions if you sell / give your company to an employee owned vehicle. If you wanted to really maximise, you take some in as in form of a cash purchase plus share of profit as dividends for say 5-10 years into the future.
    Good. Modern capitalism too often sucks money out of communities and caches it in Ireland or an offshore account. We need to return to the capitalism of the 20th century and before, one that is rooted in its local communities. That requires tax incentives and other legislation.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522
    @another_richard

    I got it!

    Hungary's last territorial gain that it still holds today was the city of Sopron in 1921, gained from what we today call Austria.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,638

    I see Morris Dancer has been giving Trump history lessons.

    Trump said that during their conversation, Hungarian PM Orbán ruled out a Ukrainian victory over Russia, claiming that Russia “doesn’t surrender in wars” and historically emerges victorious.

    Crimean war 1856
    Russo-Japanese War 1905
    WW1 1918
    Polish-Soviet war 1921
    The Cold fucking War 1989
    The Afghan war 1989

    https://x.com/NickCohen4/status/1954988657837769138

    When was the last time Hungary won a war ?

    It must have been before Mohacs in 1526, possibly before Lechfeld in 955.
    Hmm. Would against the Slovaks in 1939 count?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak–Hungarian_War

    Given that Hungary controls none of that land then no.

    So, we didn't win the Third Anglo-Burmese War given we control none of that land now?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522

    I see Morris Dancer has been giving Trump history lessons.

    Trump said that during their conversation, Hungarian PM Orbán ruled out a Ukrainian victory over Russia, claiming that Russia “doesn’t surrender in wars” and historically emerges victorious.

    Crimean war 1856
    Russo-Japanese War 1905
    WW1 1918
    Polish-Soviet war 1921
    The Cold fucking War 1989
    The Afghan war 1989

    https://x.com/NickCohen4/status/1954988657837769138

    When was the last time Hungary won a war ?

    It must have been before Mohacs in 1526, possibly before Lechfeld in 955.
    Hmm. Would against the Slovaks in 1939 count?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak–Hungarian_War

    Given that Hungary controls none of that land then no.

    So, we didn't win the Third Anglo-Burmese War given we control none of that land now?
    And you, er, I mean WE (oops!) DIDN'T win the Indian Mutiny?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,838

    I see Morris Dancer has been giving Trump history lessons.

    Trump said that during their conversation, Hungarian PM Orbán ruled out a Ukrainian victory over Russia, claiming that Russia “doesn’t surrender in wars” and historically emerges victorious.

    Crimean war 1856
    Russo-Japanese War 1905
    WW1 1918
    Polish-Soviet war 1921
    The Cold fucking War 1989
    The Afghan war 1989

    https://x.com/NickCohen4/status/1954988657837769138

    When was the last time Hungary won a war ?

    It must have been before Mohacs in 1526, possibly before Lechfeld in 955.
    Hmm. Would against the Slovaks in 1939 count?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak–Hungarian_War

    Given that Hungary controls none of that land then no.

    So, we didn't win the Third Anglo-Burmese War given we control none of that land now?
    And you, er, I mean WE (oops!) DIDN'T win the Indian Mutiny?
    I don't think anyone really win that one.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,367

    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    A propos very little, I was out and about on Saturday morning primarily to get the Racing Post (yes, I know I can read it online but I'm a bluff old traditionalist) and saw my local neighbourhood Police Officer with another officer taking a shoplifter into custody.

    While there are no doubt many who shoplift simply because they think they can get away with it, it's also clear a number of shoplifters have mental health and/or addiction issues.

    It's easy to tar all who transgress with the same brush and regrettably it seems attitudes to mental health problems and addictions have hardened in recent times.

    As a further aside, the closure and subsequent sale of East Ham Police Station by the London Mayor at the time, Boris Johnson, has been catastrophic for law enforcement in this part of London. From the other side of the capital, I read Wimbledon MP Paul Kohler is leading the fight to prevent the closure of Wimbledon Police Station.

    This act of blatant stupidity by the Met is for me unforgivable and indeed I'd support a London Mayoral candidate committed to restporing a Police presence in High Streets.

    The closure of police stations and the replacement by panda cars is a wonderful example of the fallacy of “data rules ok”.

    The data didn’t capture the deterrent effect / community benefits of a visible presence
    The flip side of having lots of police stations is floors full of officers whom the rank and file call “Eternal Flames”.

    Because they never go out.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,561
    Omnium said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
    Why have Israel banned journalists from entering Gaza? What have they got to hide?
    They don't want to have to rescue more hostages
    There's only one thing to be done.

    Recognise the West Bank as a sovereign Palestinian State, withdraw all support for Israel to settle it, get the settlers out, evacuate the Gazans there, and just give Gaza to Israel.
    I think that makes sense too.
    Hostile artillery on the ridge above the Jordan would dominate the entire of the coastal plain of Israel
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,592

    ydoethur said:

    As a Zionist, I support Israel’s right to exist within its originally approved 1947 borders. I understand and sympathise with its territorial expansion in 1948 and 1967, though I do not endorse those changes. Like many, I was horrified by the events of October 2023 and understood the strong reaction that followed. However, this has now gone too far. Israel has lost almost all of its friends, and frankly, I doubt it will exist in thirty years’ time.
    I believe this outcome is exactly what Hamas intended. They wanted Israel to kill tens or even hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. They cared nothing for the suffering or deaths — their aim was to provoke an overreaction that would isolate Israel completely. And, by Jove, they have succeeded. Israel has walked straight into the trap.

    How did Hamas know that so much of the rest of the world would believe and propagate their propaganda?
    Past form?
    I don't remember them having such success before from a mass rape and killing spree, from the river to the sea
    IDF doing the mass killing and starving now...
    The stupidest genocide of all time - one hundred a day in food queues; all somehow killed off camera and about ten starving each day

    Hamas are the genocidists

    They want all the Jews dead and they will accept any number of dead Palestinians to facilitate that

    IDF want the Palestinians dead too. They is just as bad as Hamas.
    I would note that the IDF have, to a limited degree, been pushing back against Netanyahu's orders.
    There seems to be an active Leave Gaza movement in Israel itself too

    https://bsky.app/profile/eladn.bsky.social/post/3lvzoxxyayk2g

  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,079

    What shall we call the teams?
    Name some of them after cities, some after regions and some after cricket grounds. Name one of them after a river AND the ground. Oh, and one after the people of a nation. With snazzy adjuncts that represent nothing.

    I'd name them the way I'd name London terminals.

    Waterloo, Agincourt, Trafalgar, Mers-el-Kébir, etc.
    Id go for cultured names
    The Otters Pockets
    The Wizards Sleeves etc
    The Otter's Pocket? You do know who invented this phrase?

    "It was the late 1990s and FHM was peaking. At its best, the magazine sold nearly a million copies a month. We were carefully producing the first-ever list of The 100 Sexiest Women in the World (which became an annual standard). My job was to write the captions. One hundred pithy, smutty, funny lines beneath a hundred photos of impossibly attractive women.

    Sounds easy? You try it – without using ChatGPT. Try writing a hundred unique ways of saying ‘she’s hot’ without repeating yourself or getting sacked. Around no. 34, I was delirious. Around no. 50, the editor physically locked me in his office and refused to let me out until the job was done.

    Then, somewhere around no. 73, I hit a wall. I was staring at a Danish starlet with smoky eyes and a definite air of sexual availability, of ‘come hither’ and ‘I’m ready’. Falteringly, I typed: ‘You can tell she’s wetter than…’ And there I stopped. Wetter than what? Heavy rain? Dublin in December?

    Then came the lightning bolt: ‘Wetter than an otter’s pocket.’ There it was: a perfect smutty phrase. Rude, but somehow innocent. Suggestive, but oddly poetic. It had internal rhyme and a ribald hint of biology. What does an otter keep in his pocket? His lunch. Work it out.

    Then, years later, something odd happened. I started hearing my phrase. From a football pundit describing an Anfield pitch. Then a weather girl. Some bloke on local radio. Then it cropped up on pub signs, in band names, in poems. Even, to my alarm, in the title of a Penguin children’s book (er, guys).

    Curious, I contacted the editors of Viz’s Profanisaurus, keepers of the English language’s smuttiest corners. Had I pinched it unconsciously? ‘We can find no earlier usage,’ they graciously replied. ‘Looks like it’s yours.’

    It’s not much of a literary legacy, I’ll admit."
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,561
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
    Why have Israel banned journalists from entering Gaza? What have they got to hide?
    They don't want to have to rescue more hostages
    There's only one thing to be done.

    Recognise the West Bank as a sovereign Palestinian State, withdraw all support for Israel to settle it, get the settlers out, evacuate the Gazans there, and just give Gaza to Israel.
    Short of killing every Palestinian abroad as well as in Gaza and the West Bank Israel is just creating a diaspora wanting to return to their ancestral lands. Surely Jews should understand that? After all their own diaspora kept that desire for 20 centuries. Why should the Palestinians feel differently?
    The Jewish diaspora longing for a homeland was partly political in the twentieth century (it wasn’t really mainstream before that) but also because of their exclusion from western society. I suspect Palestinians would be assimilated over time - at least into a broader Arab/Islamic group in the West
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,272

    @another_richard

    I got it!

    Hungary's last territorial gain that it still holds today was the city of Sopron in 1921, gained from what we today call Austria.

    https://blakes7.fandom.com/wiki/Sopron
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,079
    Leon said:

    What shall we call the teams?
    Name some of them after cities, some after regions and some after cricket grounds. Name one of them after a river AND the ground. Oh, and one after the people of a nation. With snazzy adjuncts that represent nothing.

    I'd name them the way I'd name London terminals.

    Waterloo, Agincourt, Trafalgar, Mers-el-Kébir, etc.
    Id go for cultured names
    The Otters Pockets
    The Wizards Sleeves etc
    The Otter's Pocket? You do know who invented this phrase?

    "It was the late 1990s and FHM was peaking. At its best, the magazine sold nearly a million copies a month. We were carefully producing the first-ever list of The 100 Sexiest Women in the World (which became an annual standard). My job was to write the captions. One hundred pithy, smutty, funny lines beneath a hundred photos of impossibly attractive women.

    Sounds easy? You try it – without using ChatGPT. Try writing a hundred unique ways of saying ‘she’s hot’ without repeating yourself or getting sacked. Around no. 34, I was delirious. Around no. 50, the editor physically locked me in his office and refused to let me out until the job was done.

    Then, somewhere around no. 73, I hit a wall. I was staring at a Danish starlet with smoky eyes and a definite air of sexual availability, of ‘come hither’ and ‘I’m ready’. Falteringly, I typed: ‘You can tell she’s wetter than…’ And there I stopped. Wetter than what? Heavy rain? Dublin in December?

    Then came the lightning bolt: ‘Wetter than an otter’s pocket.’ There it was: a perfect smutty phrase. Rude, but somehow innocent. Suggestive, but oddly poetic. It had internal rhyme and a ribald hint of biology. What does an otter keep in his pocket? His lunch. Work it out.

    Then, years later, something odd happened. I started hearing my phrase. From a football pundit describing an Anfield pitch. Then a weather girl. Some bloke on local radio. Then it cropped up on pub signs, in band names, in poems. Even, to my alarm, in the title of a Penguin children’s book (er, guys).

    Curious, I contacted the editors of Viz’s Profanisaurus, keepers of the English language’s smuttiest corners. Had I pinched it unconsciously? ‘We can find no earlier usage,’ they graciously replied. ‘Looks like it’s yours.’

    It’s not much of a literary legacy, I’ll admit."
    Someone has flagged this, presumably out of annoyance at me not naming the culprit. It's ex-PBer, @SeanT - he invented the phrase "wetter than an otter's pocket". This is from a recent column in the Spectator Magazine
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,592

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
    Why have Israel banned journalists from entering Gaza? What have they got to hide?
    They don't want to have to rescue more hostages
    There's only one thing to be done.

    Recognise the West Bank as a sovereign Palestinian State, withdraw all support for Israel to settle it, get the settlers out, evacuate the Gazans there, and just give Gaza to Israel.
    Short of killing every Palestinian abroad as well as in Gaza and the West Bank Israel is just creating a diaspora wanting to return to their ancestral lands. Surely Jews should understand that? After all their own diaspora kept that desire for 20 centuries. Why should the Palestinians feel differently?
    The Jewish diaspora longing for a homeland was partly political in the twentieth century (it wasn’t really mainstream before that) but also because of their exclusion from western society. I suspect Palestinians would be assimilated over time - at least into a broader Arab/Islamic group in the West
    Palestinian nationalism has been going for a century, I don't think it is fading any time soon.

    I imagine a lot of toasts of "next year in Jerusalem" around the diaspora.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522
    Leon said:

    What shall we call the teams?
    Name some of them after cities, some after regions and some after cricket grounds. Name one of them after a river AND the ground. Oh, and one after the people of a nation. With snazzy adjuncts that represent nothing.

    I'd name them the way I'd name London terminals.

    Waterloo, Agincourt, Trafalgar, Mers-el-Kébir, etc.
    Id go for cultured names
    The Otters Pockets
    The Wizards Sleeves etc
    The Otter's Pocket? You do know who invented this phrase?

    "It was the late 1990s and FHM was peaking. At its best, the magazine sold nearly a million copies a month. We were carefully producing the first-ever list of The 100 Sexiest Women in the World (which became an annual standard). My job was to write the captions. One hundred pithy, smutty, funny lines beneath a hundred photos of impossibly attractive women.

    Sounds easy? You try it – without using ChatGPT. Try writing a hundred unique ways of saying ‘she’s hot’ without repeating yourself or getting sacked. Around no. 34, I was delirious. Around no. 50, the editor physically locked me in his office and refused to let me out until the job was done.

    Then, somewhere around no. 73, I hit a wall. I was staring at a Danish starlet with smoky eyes and a definite air of sexual availability, of ‘come hither’ and ‘I’m ready’. Falteringly, I typed: ‘You can tell she’s wetter than…’ And there I stopped. Wetter than what? Heavy rain? Dublin in December?

    Then came the lightning bolt: ‘Wetter than an otter’s pocket.’ There it was: a perfect smutty phrase. Rude, but somehow innocent. Suggestive, but oddly poetic. It had internal rhyme and a ribald hint of biology. What does an otter keep in his pocket? His lunch. Work it out.

    Then, years later, something odd happened. I started hearing my phrase. From a football pundit describing an Anfield pitch. Then a weather girl. Some bloke on local radio. Then it cropped up on pub signs, in band names, in poems. Even, to my alarm, in the title of a Penguin children’s book (er, guys).

    Curious, I contacted the editors of Viz’s Profanisaurus, keepers of the English language’s smuttiest corners. Had I pinched it unconsciously? ‘We can find no earlier usage,’ they graciously replied. ‘Looks like it’s yours.’

    It’s not much of a literary legacy, I’ll admit."
    "Parkhead was wetter than an otter’s pocket."

    - 6 November 1999, Daily Record (Glasgow, Scotland), “Football: Is Berkovic an Israeli word for Kanchelskis?” by Tam Cowan, pg. 60.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,638

    Omnium said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
    Why have Israel banned journalists from entering Gaza? What have they got to hide?
    They don't want to have to rescue more hostages
    There's only one thing to be done.

    Recognise the West Bank as a sovereign Palestinian State, withdraw all support for Israel to settle it, get the settlers out, evacuate the Gazans there, and just give Gaza to Israel.
    I think that makes sense too.
    Hostile artillery on the ridge above the Jordan would dominate the entire of the coastal plain of Israel
    ... is the sort of argument Russia uses for annexing chunks of Ukraine.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522

    Omnium said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
    Why have Israel banned journalists from entering Gaza? What have they got to hide?
    They don't want to have to rescue more hostages
    There's only one thing to be done.

    Recognise the West Bank as a sovereign Palestinian State, withdraw all support for Israel to settle it, get the settlers out, evacuate the Gazans there, and just give Gaza to Israel.
    I think that makes sense too.
    Hostile artillery on the ridge above the Jordan would dominate the entire of the coastal plain of Israel
    Israel still won in 1967 *despite* the Jordanian artillery.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,079

    Leon said:

    What shall we call the teams?
    Name some of them after cities, some after regions and some after cricket grounds. Name one of them after a river AND the ground. Oh, and one after the people of a nation. With snazzy adjuncts that represent nothing.

    I'd name them the way I'd name London terminals.

    Waterloo, Agincourt, Trafalgar, Mers-el-Kébir, etc.
    Id go for cultured names
    The Otters Pockets
    The Wizards Sleeves etc
    The Otter's Pocket? You do know who invented this phrase?

    "It was the late 1990s and FHM was peaking. At its best, the magazine sold nearly a million copies a month. We were carefully producing the first-ever list of The 100 Sexiest Women in the World (which became an annual standard). My job was to write the captions. One hundred pithy, smutty, funny lines beneath a hundred photos of impossibly attractive women.

    Sounds easy? You try it – without using ChatGPT. Try writing a hundred unique ways of saying ‘she’s hot’ without repeating yourself or getting sacked. Around no. 34, I was delirious. Around no. 50, the editor physically locked me in his office and refused to let me out until the job was done.

    Then, somewhere around no. 73, I hit a wall. I was staring at a Danish starlet with smoky eyes and a definite air of sexual availability, of ‘come hither’ and ‘I’m ready’. Falteringly, I typed: ‘You can tell she’s wetter than…’ And there I stopped. Wetter than what? Heavy rain? Dublin in December?

    Then came the lightning bolt: ‘Wetter than an otter’s pocket.’ There it was: a perfect smutty phrase. Rude, but somehow innocent. Suggestive, but oddly poetic. It had internal rhyme and a ribald hint of biology. What does an otter keep in his pocket? His lunch. Work it out.

    Then, years later, something odd happened. I started hearing my phrase. From a football pundit describing an Anfield pitch. Then a weather girl. Some bloke on local radio. Then it cropped up on pub signs, in band names, in poems. Even, to my alarm, in the title of a Penguin children’s book (er, guys).

    Curious, I contacted the editors of Viz’s Profanisaurus, keepers of the English language’s smuttiest corners. Had I pinched it unconsciously? ‘We can find no earlier usage,’ they graciously replied. ‘Looks like it’s yours.’

    It’s not much of a literary legacy, I’ll admit."
    "Parkhead was wetter than an otter’s pocket."

    - 6 November 1999, Daily Record (Glasgow, Scotland), “Football: Is Berkovic an Israeli word for Kanchelskis?” by Tam Cowan, pg. 60.
    Sounds about right. FHM was huge in Scotland with football fans
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,592

    Omnium said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
    Why have Israel banned journalists from entering Gaza? What have they got to hide?
    They don't want to have to rescue more hostages
    There's only one thing to be done.

    Recognise the West Bank as a sovereign Palestinian State, withdraw all support for Israel to settle it, get the settlers out, evacuate the Gazans there, and just give Gaza to Israel.
    I think that makes sense too.
    Hostile artillery on the ridge above the Jordan would dominate the entire of the coastal plain of Israel
    ... is the sort of argument Russia uses for annexing chunks of Ukraine.
    Yes, there is a lot in common between Netanyahu and Putin. Both are very much might is right, conquest makes facts on the ground, the existing people in the lands are not real people, with a proper culture etc.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,638

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
    Why have Israel banned journalists from entering Gaza? What have they got to hide?
    They don't want to have to rescue more hostages
    There's only one thing to be done.

    Recognise the West Bank as a sovereign Palestinian State, withdraw all support for Israel to settle it, get the settlers out, evacuate the Gazans there, and just give Gaza to Israel.
    Short of killing every Palestinian abroad as well as in Gaza and the West Bank Israel is just creating a diaspora wanting to return to their ancestral lands. Surely Jews should understand that? After all their own diaspora kept that desire for 20 centuries. Why should the Palestinians feel differently?
    The Jewish diaspora longing for a homeland was partly political in the twentieth century (it wasn’t really mainstream before that) but also because of their exclusion from western society. I suspect Palestinians would be assimilated over time - at least into a broader Arab/Islamic group in the West
    Yes, ethnic cleansing sometimes achieves its goals. The Armenians and the Circassians, the Cherokee and the Muscogee, aren't getting their land back. But you do get, don't you, that it's still wrong, a crime against humanity?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,638
    Foxy said:

    Omnium said:

    Foxy said:

    Roger said:

    What a ghastly racist country Israel has become. The news footage on Ch4 is heart breaking. The five murdered journalists look as genuine as any you are likely to see. His viewing figures are huge. There are 140 million Arab speakers world wide who watch him.

    But who would believe Netanyahu and his rabid racist country anyway.

    The IDF knew exactly where they were based and murdered them for publicising the deliberate famine and associated ""Hunger Games" killings.

    Yet our government can't understand why so many support Palestine Action.
    Is there anything Hamas could say that you wouldn't believe?
    Why have Israel banned journalists from entering Gaza? What have they got to hide?
    They don't want to have to rescue more hostages
    There's only one thing to be done.

    Recognise the West Bank as a sovereign Palestinian State, withdraw all support for Israel to settle it, get the settlers out, evacuate the Gazans there, and just give Gaza to Israel.
    I think that makes sense too.
    Hostile artillery on the ridge above the Jordan would dominate the entire of the coastal plain of Israel
    ... is the sort of argument Russia uses for annexing chunks of Ukraine.
    Yes, there is a lot in common between Netanyahu and Putin. Both are very much might is right, conquest makes facts on the ground, the existing people in the lands are not real people, with a proper culture etc.
    And Trump thinks they're both great.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,069

    I see Morris Dancer has been giving Trump history lessons.

    Trump said that during their conversation, Hungarian PM Orbán ruled out a Ukrainian victory over Russia, claiming that Russia “doesn’t surrender in wars” and historically emerges victorious.

    Crimean war 1856
    Russo-Japanese War 1905
    WW1 1918
    Polish-Soviet war 1921
    The Cold fucking War 1989
    The Afghan war 1989

    https://x.com/NickCohen4/status/1954988657837769138

    When was the last time Hungary won a war ?

    It must have been before Mohacs in 1526, possibly before Lechfeld in 955.
    Hmm. Would against the Slovaks in 1939 count?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak–Hungarian_War

    Given that Hungary controls none of that land then no.

    So, we didn't win the Third Anglo-Burmese War given we control none of that land now?
    Well you could say that the British Empire won that given that it gained the territory - I assume it did and cannot be bothered to look.

    And that the Burmese (and all the other colonials) won from the dissolving of the British Empire after 1945.

    Whereas Hungary didn't win the Second World War, of which the Hungarian-Slovak conflict was a minor part, as it gained no territory, was used as a battlefield, had very heavy casualties and had its government overthrown.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,123
    edited August 11
    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    An interesting story that we may not have mentioned.

    The founder of The Entertainer toyshop chain is transferring the business with 1900 employees to 100% employee ownership. He founded it in one shop in 1981. His family will get some dividends back later.

    It's interesting to me because he is motivated in his philosophy by his born-again evangelical faith, but he seems to have kept an appropriate distance. It's not the kind of direct "God told me to" management of the business, more taking principles and values, concern for employees and so on - quite Quaker style. I'm far more comfortable with that than with the approach we see far too often in the USA.

    This is the first one of these known to me since Scott-Bader Ltd decades ago, which is now the Scott-Bader Commonwealth. There they consciously took inspiration from the Quaker tradition. I'm sure thee are others.

    Gary Grant opened his first shop with his wife Catherine in 1981 when he was 23. He's now 66, and his multi-million pound empire spans 160 shops across the UK.

    He is transferring 100% ownership of the family-owned business to an employee trust which means staff will get a share of the profits and a say in how the firm is run.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2jjwmw9jo

    An older interview about his ethos, which shows he has had to work at his practices. They tithe their profits to charity:
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/dec/17/gary-grant-entertainer-toyshop

    Not to be totally cynical, but doing this is a super tax efficient way of cashing out from your business. He isn't just giving away his business.
    Quite possibly - I have not seen any detailed figures; I guess the taxefficiency would depend on the level of dividend. But I applaud transferring the ownership to employees - and presumably he us making less than compared to a straight sell off done tax efficiently.

    Does anyone know how the two routes compare financially?
    Julian Richer (of Richer Sounds) did much the same.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/may/18/richer-sounds-boss-julian-richer-has-no-regrets?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    He also is motivated in part by Christian faith. He was ordained a vicar in 2006.
    That's really interesting - but I think he was baptised then confirmed, not ordained. He seems firmly in the commercial and philanthropic mould - with much work with eg Trussell Trust.

    Reading his bio, he is associated with St Michael-le-Belfrey in York, which is a church with a very creative recent history (since 197x). They are just doing a big refurbishment project with the most accessible full immersion baptistry in the country, which has an up and down hydraulic floor so people in wheelchairs or unable to do steps can be baptised.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522

    I see Morris Dancer has been giving Trump history lessons.

    Trump said that during their conversation, Hungarian PM Orbán ruled out a Ukrainian victory over Russia, claiming that Russia “doesn’t surrender in wars” and historically emerges victorious.

    Crimean war 1856
    Russo-Japanese War 1905
    WW1 1918
    Polish-Soviet war 1921
    The Cold fucking War 1989
    The Afghan war 1989

    https://x.com/NickCohen4/status/1954988657837769138

    When was the last time Hungary won a war ?

    It must have been before Mohacs in 1526, possibly before Lechfeld in 955.
    Hmm. Would against the Slovaks in 1939 count?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak–Hungarian_War

    Given that Hungary controls none of that land then no.

    So, we didn't win the Third Anglo-Burmese War given we control none of that land now?
    Well you could say that the British Empire won that given that it gained the territory - I assume it did and cannot be bothered to look.

    And that the Burmese (and all the other colonials) won from the dissolving of the British Empire after 1945.

    Whereas Hungary didn't win the Second World War, of which the Hungarian-Slovak conflict was a minor part, as it gained no territory, was used as a battlefield, had very heavy casualties and had its government overthrown.
    CLANG! The Slovak-Hungarian war was 23rd to 31st March 1939, almost 6 months BEFORE Hitler invaded Poland.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,638

    I see Morris Dancer has been giving Trump history lessons.

    Trump said that during their conversation, Hungarian PM Orbán ruled out a Ukrainian victory over Russia, claiming that Russia “doesn’t surrender in wars” and historically emerges victorious.

    Crimean war 1856
    Russo-Japanese War 1905
    WW1 1918
    Polish-Soviet war 1921
    The Cold fucking War 1989
    The Afghan war 1989

    https://x.com/NickCohen4/status/1954988657837769138

    When was the last time Hungary won a war ?

    It must have been before Mohacs in 1526, possibly before Lechfeld in 955.
    Hmm. Would against the Slovaks in 1939 count?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak–Hungarian_War

    Given that Hungary controls none of that land then no.

    So, we didn't win the Third Anglo-Burmese War given we control none of that land now?
    Well you could say that the British Empire won that given that it gained the territory - I assume it did and cannot be bothered to look.

    And that the Burmese (and all the other colonials) won from the dissolving of the British Empire after 1945.

    Whereas Hungary didn't win the Second World War, of which the Hungarian-Slovak conflict was a minor part, as it gained no territory, was used as a battlefield, had very heavy casualties and had its government overthrown.
    The Slovak-Hungarian war was over months before the usual start date for WWII. OK, that's not as long as Britain held Burma, but I think you need to respect #pbpedantry
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    What shall we call the teams?
    Name some of them after cities, some after regions and some after cricket grounds. Name one of them after a river AND the ground. Oh, and one after the people of a nation. With snazzy adjuncts that represent nothing.

    I'd name them the way I'd name London terminals.

    Waterloo, Agincourt, Trafalgar, Mers-el-Kébir, etc.
    Id go for cultured names
    The Otters Pockets
    The Wizards Sleeves etc
    The Otter's Pocket? You do know who invented this phrase?

    "It was the late 1990s and FHM was peaking. At its best, the magazine sold nearly a million copies a month. We were carefully producing the first-ever list of The 100 Sexiest Women in the World (which became an annual standard). My job was to write the captions. One hundred pithy, smutty, funny lines beneath a hundred photos of impossibly attractive women.

    Sounds easy? You try it – without using ChatGPT. Try writing a hundred unique ways of saying ‘she’s hot’ without repeating yourself or getting sacked. Around no. 34, I was delirious. Around no. 50, the editor physically locked me in his office and refused to let me out until the job was done.

    Then, somewhere around no. 73, I hit a wall. I was staring at a Danish starlet with smoky eyes and a definite air of sexual availability, of ‘come hither’ and ‘I’m ready’. Falteringly, I typed: ‘You can tell she’s wetter than…’ And there I stopped. Wetter than what? Heavy rain? Dublin in December?

    Then came the lightning bolt: ‘Wetter than an otter’s pocket.’ There it was: a perfect smutty phrase. Rude, but somehow innocent. Suggestive, but oddly poetic. It had internal rhyme and a ribald hint of biology. What does an otter keep in his pocket? His lunch. Work it out.

    Then, years later, something odd happened. I started hearing my phrase. From a football pundit describing an Anfield pitch. Then a weather girl. Some bloke on local radio. Then it cropped up on pub signs, in band names, in poems. Even, to my alarm, in the title of a Penguin children’s book (er, guys).

    Curious, I contacted the editors of Viz’s Profanisaurus, keepers of the English language’s smuttiest corners. Had I pinched it unconsciously? ‘We can find no earlier usage,’ they graciously replied. ‘Looks like it’s yours.’

    It’s not much of a literary legacy, I’ll admit."
    "Parkhead was wetter than an otter’s pocket."

    - 6 November 1999, Daily Record (Glasgow, Scotland), “Football: Is Berkovic an Israeli word for Kanchelskis?” by Tam Cowan, pg. 60.
    Sounds about right. FHM was huge in Scotland with football fans
    Which issue of FHM? Was it before or after The Record article?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,069

    @another_richard

    I got it!

    Hungary's last territorial gain that it still holds today was the city of Sopron in 1921, gained from what we today call Austria.

    Sopron was part of the Hungarian territory of the Burgenland which was mostly transferred to Austria after the Great War.

    Hungary no more gained Sopron than Britain gained Belfast.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,079
    edited August 11

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    What shall we call the teams?
    Name some of them after cities, some after regions and some after cricket grounds. Name one of them after a river AND the ground. Oh, and one after the people of a nation. With snazzy adjuncts that represent nothing.

    I'd name them the way I'd name London terminals.

    Waterloo, Agincourt, Trafalgar, Mers-el-Kébir, etc.
    Id go for cultured names
    The Otters Pockets
    The Wizards Sleeves etc
    The Otter's Pocket? You do know who invented this phrase?

    "It was the late 1990s and FHM was peaking. At its best, the magazine sold nearly a million copies a month. We were carefully producing the first-ever list of The 100 Sexiest Women in the World (which became an annual standard). My job was to write the captions. One hundred pithy, smutty, funny lines beneath a hundred photos of impossibly attractive women.

    Sounds easy? You try it – without using ChatGPT. Try writing a hundred unique ways of saying ‘she’s hot’ without repeating yourself or getting sacked. Around no. 34, I was delirious. Around no. 50, the editor physically locked me in his office and refused to let me out until the job was done.

    Then, somewhere around no. 73, I hit a wall. I was staring at a Danish starlet with smoky eyes and a definite air of sexual availability, of ‘come hither’ and ‘I’m ready’. Falteringly, I typed: ‘You can tell she’s wetter than…’ And there I stopped. Wetter than what? Heavy rain? Dublin in December?

    Then came the lightning bolt: ‘Wetter than an otter’s pocket.’ There it was: a perfect smutty phrase. Rude, but somehow innocent. Suggestive, but oddly poetic. It had internal rhyme and a ribald hint of biology. What does an otter keep in his pocket? His lunch. Work it out.

    Then, years later, something odd happened. I started hearing my phrase. From a football pundit describing an Anfield pitch. Then a weather girl. Some bloke on local radio. Then it cropped up on pub signs, in band names, in poems. Even, to my alarm, in the title of a Penguin children’s book (er, guys).

    Curious, I contacted the editors of Viz’s Profanisaurus, keepers of the English language’s smuttiest corners. Had I pinched it unconsciously? ‘We can find no earlier usage,’ they graciously replied. ‘Looks like it’s yours.’

    It’s not much of a literary legacy, I’ll admit."
    "Parkhead was wetter than an otter’s pocket."

    - 6 November 1999, Daily Record (Glasgow, Scotland), “Football: Is Berkovic an Israeli word for Kanchelskis?” by Tam Cowan, pg. 60.
    Sounds about right. FHM was huge in Scotland with football fans
    Which issue of FHM? Was it before or after The Record article?
    Before, you prat

    "FHM's 100 Sexiest Women was an annual listing compiled by the monthly British men's lifestyle magazine FHM, based on which women they believe to be the "sexiest". As of 2017, each year's list is first announced through a section on FHM's official website, FHM.com. The first listing was published in 1995 and was voted for by a panel of 250 judges"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FHM's_100_Sexiest_Women_(UK)

    "It was the late 1990s and FHM was peaking. At its best, the magazine sold nearly a million copies a month. We were carefully producing the first-ever list of The 100 Sexiest Women in the World (which became an annual standard"

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,592
    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    An interesting story that we may not have mentioned.

    The founder of The Entertainer toyshop chain is transferring the business with 1900 employees to 100% employee ownership. He founded it in one shop in 1981. His family will get some dividends back later.

    It's interesting to me because he is motivated in his philosophy by his born-again evangelical faith, but he seems to have kept an appropriate distance. It's not the kind of direct "God told me to" management of the business, more taking principles and values, concern for employees and so on - quite Quaker style. I'm far more comfortable with that than with the approach we see far too often in the USA.

    This is the first one of these known to me since Scott-Bader Ltd decades ago, which is now the Scott-Bader Commonwealth. There they consciously took inspiration from the Quaker tradition. I'm sure thee are others.

    Gary Grant opened his first shop with his wife Catherine in 1981 when he was 23. He's now 66, and his multi-million pound empire spans 160 shops across the UK.

    He is transferring 100% ownership of the family-owned business to an employee trust which means staff will get a share of the profits and a say in how the firm is run.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2jjwmw9jo

    An older interview about his ethos, which shows he has had to work at his practices. They tithe their profits to charity:
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/dec/17/gary-grant-entertainer-toyshop

    Not to be totally cynical, but doing this is a super tax efficient way of cashing out from your business. He isn't just giving away his business.
    Quite possibly - I have not seen any detailed figures; I guess the taxefficiency would depend on the level of dividend. But I applaud transferring the ownership to employees - and presumably he us making less than compared to a straight sell off done tax efficiently.

    Does anyone know how the two routes compare financially?
    Julian Richer (of Richer Sounds) did much the same.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/may/18/richer-sounds-boss-julian-richer-has-no-regrets?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    He also is motivated in part by Christian faith. He was ordained a vicar in 2006.
    That's really interesting - but I think he was baptised then confirmed, not ordained. He seems firmly in the commercial and philanthropic mould - with much work with eg Trussell Trust.

    Reading his bio, he is associated with St Michael-le-Belfrey in York, which is a church with a very creative recent history (since 197x). They are just doing a big refurbishment project with the most accessible full immersion baptistry in the country, which has an up and down hydraulic floor so people in wheelchairs or unable to do steps can be baptised.
    His business book is well worth a read: "The Ethical Capitalist". He doesn't see a conflict between being a Capitalist and being ethical.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522

    @another_richard

    I got it!

    Hungary's last territorial gain that it still holds today was the city of Sopron in 1921, gained from what we today call Austria.

    Sopron was part of the Hungarian territory of the Burgenland which was mostly transferred to Austria after the Great War.

    Hungary no more gained Sopron than Britain gained Belfast.
    But a gain nonetheless, recognised by the Allies post-WW1 and post-WW2.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,069

    I see Morris Dancer has been giving Trump history lessons.

    Trump said that during their conversation, Hungarian PM Orbán ruled out a Ukrainian victory over Russia, claiming that Russia “doesn’t surrender in wars” and historically emerges victorious.

    Crimean war 1856
    Russo-Japanese War 1905
    WW1 1918
    Polish-Soviet war 1921
    The Cold fucking War 1989
    The Afghan war 1989

    https://x.com/NickCohen4/status/1954988657837769138

    When was the last time Hungary won a war ?

    It must have been before Mohacs in 1526, possibly before Lechfeld in 955.
    Hmm. Would against the Slovaks in 1939 count?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak–Hungarian_War

    Given that Hungary controls none of that land then no.

    So, we didn't win the Third Anglo-Burmese War given we control none of that land now?
    Well you could say that the British Empire won that given that it gained the territory - I assume it did and cannot be bothered to look.

    And that the Burmese (and all the other colonials) won from the dissolving of the British Empire after 1945.

    Whereas Hungary didn't win the Second World War, of which the Hungarian-Slovak conflict was a minor part, as it gained no territory, was used as a battlefield, had very heavy casualties and had its government overthrown.
    The Slovak-Hungarian war was over months before the usual start date for WWII. OK, that's not as long as Britain held Burma, but I think you need to respect #pbpedantry
    Not if you chose 1937 and the Japanese attack on China as the start of the Second World War.

    #evenmorepbpedantry
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    What shall we call the teams?
    Name some of them after cities, some after regions and some after cricket grounds. Name one of them after a river AND the ground. Oh, and one after the people of a nation. With snazzy adjuncts that represent nothing.

    I'd name them the way I'd name London terminals.

    Waterloo, Agincourt, Trafalgar, Mers-el-Kébir, etc.
    Id go for cultured names
    The Otters Pockets
    The Wizards Sleeves etc
    The Otter's Pocket? You do know who invented this phrase?

    "It was the late 1990s and FHM was peaking. At its best, the magazine sold nearly a million copies a month. We were carefully producing the first-ever list of The 100 Sexiest Women in the World (which became an annual standard). My job was to write the captions. One hundred pithy, smutty, funny lines beneath a hundred photos of impossibly attractive women.

    Sounds easy? You try it – without using ChatGPT. Try writing a hundred unique ways of saying ‘she’s hot’ without repeating yourself or getting sacked. Around no. 34, I was delirious. Around no. 50, the editor physically locked me in his office and refused to let me out until the job was done.

    Then, somewhere around no. 73, I hit a wall. I was staring at a Danish starlet with smoky eyes and a definite air of sexual availability, of ‘come hither’ and ‘I’m ready’. Falteringly, I typed: ‘You can tell she’s wetter than…’ And there I stopped. Wetter than what? Heavy rain? Dublin in December?

    Then came the lightning bolt: ‘Wetter than an otter’s pocket.’ There it was: a perfect smutty phrase. Rude, but somehow innocent. Suggestive, but oddly poetic. It had internal rhyme and a ribald hint of biology. What does an otter keep in his pocket? His lunch. Work it out.

    Then, years later, something odd happened. I started hearing my phrase. From a football pundit describing an Anfield pitch. Then a weather girl. Some bloke on local radio. Then it cropped up on pub signs, in band names, in poems. Even, to my alarm, in the title of a Penguin children’s book (er, guys).

    Curious, I contacted the editors of Viz’s Profanisaurus, keepers of the English language’s smuttiest corners. Had I pinched it unconsciously? ‘We can find no earlier usage,’ they graciously replied. ‘Looks like it’s yours.’

    It’s not much of a literary legacy, I’ll admit."
    "Parkhead was wetter than an otter’s pocket."

    - 6 November 1999, Daily Record (Glasgow, Scotland), “Football: Is Berkovic an Israeli word for Kanchelskis?” by Tam Cowan, pg. 60.
    Sounds about right. FHM was huge in Scotland with football fans
    Which issue of FHM? Was it before or after The Record article?
    Before, you prat

    "FHM's 100 Sexiest Women was an annual listing compiled by the monthly British men's lifestyle magazine FHM, based on which women they believe to be the "sexiest". As of 2017, each year's list is first announced through a section on FHM's official website, FHM.com. The first listing was published in 1995 and was voted for by a panel of 250 judges"


    "It was the late 1990s and FHM was peaking. At its best, the magazine sold nearly a million copies a month. We were carefully producing the first-ever list of The 100 Sexiest Women in the World (which became an annual standard"
    Which issue, dick-head? "Late 1990s" is a bit vague!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 64,079
    edited August 11

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    What shall we call the teams?
    Name some of them after cities, some after regions and some after cricket grounds. Name one of them after a river AND the ground. Oh, and one after the people of a nation. With snazzy adjuncts that represent nothing.

    I'd name them the way I'd name London terminals.

    Waterloo, Agincourt, Trafalgar, Mers-el-Kébir, etc.
    Id go for cultured names
    The Otters Pockets
    The Wizards Sleeves etc
    The Otter's Pocket? You do know who invented this phrase?

    "It was the late 1990s and FHM was peaking. At its best, the magazine sold nearly a million copies a month. We were carefully producing the first-ever list of The 100 Sexiest Women in the World (which became an annual standard). My job was to write the captions. One hundred pithy, smutty, funny lines beneath a hundred photos of impossibly attractive women.

    Sounds easy? You try it – without using ChatGPT. Try writing a hundred unique ways of saying ‘she’s hot’ without repeating yourself or getting sacked. Around no. 34, I was delirious. Around no. 50, the editor physically locked me in his office and refused to let me out until the job was done.

    Then, somewhere around no. 73, I hit a wall. I was staring at a Danish starlet with smoky eyes and a definite air of sexual availability, of ‘come hither’ and ‘I’m ready’. Falteringly, I typed: ‘You can tell she’s wetter than…’ And there I stopped. Wetter than what? Heavy rain? Dublin in December?

    Then came the lightning bolt: ‘Wetter than an otter’s pocket.’ There it was: a perfect smutty phrase. Rude, but somehow innocent. Suggestive, but oddly poetic. It had internal rhyme and a ribald hint of biology. What does an otter keep in his pocket? His lunch. Work it out.

    Then, years later, something odd happened. I started hearing my phrase. From a football pundit describing an Anfield pitch. Then a weather girl. Some bloke on local radio. Then it cropped up on pub signs, in band names, in poems. Even, to my alarm, in the title of a Penguin children’s book (er, guys).

    Curious, I contacted the editors of Viz’s Profanisaurus, keepers of the English language’s smuttiest corners. Had I pinched it unconsciously? ‘We can find no earlier usage,’ they graciously replied. ‘Looks like it’s yours.’

    It’s not much of a literary legacy, I’ll admit."
    "Parkhead was wetter than an otter’s pocket."

    - 6 November 1999, Daily Record (Glasgow, Scotland), “Football: Is Berkovic an Israeli word for Kanchelskis?” by Tam Cowan, pg. 60.
    Sounds about right. FHM was huge in Scotland with football fans
    Which issue of FHM? Was it before or after The Record article?
    Before, you prat

    "FHM's 100 Sexiest Women was an annual listing compiled by the monthly British men's lifestyle magazine FHM, based on which women they believe to be the "sexiest". As of 2017, each year's list is first announced through a section on FHM's official website, FHM.com. The first listing was published in 1995 and was voted for by a panel of 250 judges"


    "It was the late 1990s and FHM was peaking. At its best, the magazine sold nearly a million copies a month. We were carefully producing the first-ever list of The 100 Sexiest Women in the World (which became an annual standard"
    Which issue, dick-head? "Late 1990s" is a bit vague!
    1995, I just told you (tho I do wonder at Wiki's complete accuracy here - "250 judges" - lol)
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,638

    I see Morris Dancer has been giving Trump history lessons.

    Trump said that during their conversation, Hungarian PM Orbán ruled out a Ukrainian victory over Russia, claiming that Russia “doesn’t surrender in wars” and historically emerges victorious.

    Crimean war 1856
    Russo-Japanese War 1905
    WW1 1918
    Polish-Soviet war 1921
    The Cold fucking War 1989
    The Afghan war 1989

    https://x.com/NickCohen4/status/1954988657837769138

    When was the last time Hungary won a war ?

    It must have been before Mohacs in 1526, possibly before Lechfeld in 955.
    Hmm. Would against the Slovaks in 1939 count?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak–Hungarian_War

    Given that Hungary controls none of that land then no.

    So, we didn't win the Third Anglo-Burmese War given we control none of that land now?
    Well you could say that the British Empire won that given that it gained the territory - I assume it did and cannot be bothered to look.

    And that the Burmese (and all the other colonials) won from the dissolving of the British Empire after 1945.

    Whereas Hungary didn't win the Second World War, of which the Hungarian-Slovak conflict was a minor part, as it gained no territory, was used as a battlefield, had very heavy casualties and had its government overthrown.
    The Slovak-Hungarian war was over months before the usual start date for WWII. OK, that's not as long as Britain held Burma, but I think you need to respect #pbpedantry
    Not if you chose 1937 and the Japanese attack on China as the start of the Second World War.

    #evenmorepbpedantry
    The only good pedantry is more pedantry.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522

    I see Morris Dancer has been giving Trump history lessons.

    Trump said that during their conversation, Hungarian PM Orbán ruled out a Ukrainian victory over Russia, claiming that Russia “doesn’t surrender in wars” and historically emerges victorious.

    Crimean war 1856
    Russo-Japanese War 1905
    WW1 1918
    Polish-Soviet war 1921
    The Cold fucking War 1989
    The Afghan war 1989

    https://x.com/NickCohen4/status/1954988657837769138

    When was the last time Hungary won a war ?

    It must have been before Mohacs in 1526, possibly before Lechfeld in 955.
    Hmm. Would against the Slovaks in 1939 count?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak–Hungarian_War

    Given that Hungary controls none of that land then no.

    So, we didn't win the Third Anglo-Burmese War given we control none of that land now?
    Well you could say that the British Empire won that given that it gained the territory - I assume it did and cannot be bothered to look.

    And that the Burmese (and all the other colonials) won from the dissolving of the British Empire after 1945.

    Whereas Hungary didn't win the Second World War, of which the Hungarian-Slovak conflict was a minor part, as it gained no territory, was used as a battlefield, had very heavy casualties and had its government overthrown.
    The Slovak-Hungarian war was over months before the usual start date for WWII. OK, that's not as long as Britain held Burma, but I think you need to respect #pbpedantry
    Not if you chose 1937 and the Japanese attack on China as the start of the Second World War.

    #evenmorepbpedantry
    Spanish Civil War, 1936? #evenmore
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,069

    @another_richard

    I got it!

    Hungary's last territorial gain that it still holds today was the city of Sopron in 1921, gained from what we today call Austria.

    Sopron was part of the Hungarian territory of the Burgenland which was mostly transferred to Austria after the Great War.

    Hungary no more gained Sopron than Britain gained Belfast.
    But a gain nonetheless, recognised by the Allies post-WW1 and post-WW2.
    How can Hungary gain what it already had ? Not losing something isn't a gain.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,638
    PoliticalBetting.com: informed commentary on the major international issues of the day.

    Tomorrow: was the Free Territory of Trieste a mistake?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,123
    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    An interesting story that we may not have mentioned.

    The founder of The Entertainer toyshop chain is transferring the business with 1900 employees to 100% employee ownership. He founded it in one shop in 1981. His family will get some dividends back later.

    It's interesting to me because he is motivated in his philosophy by his born-again evangelical faith, but he seems to have kept an appropriate distance. It's not the kind of direct "God told me to" management of the business, more taking principles and values, concern for employees and so on - quite Quaker style. I'm far more comfortable with that than with the approach we see far too often in the USA.

    This is the first one of these known to me since Scott-Bader Ltd decades ago, which is now the Scott-Bader Commonwealth. There they consciously took inspiration from the Quaker tradition. I'm sure thee are others.

    Gary Grant opened his first shop with his wife Catherine in 1981 when he was 23. He's now 66, and his multi-million pound empire spans 160 shops across the UK.

    He is transferring 100% ownership of the family-owned business to an employee trust which means staff will get a share of the profits and a say in how the firm is run.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2jjwmw9jo

    An older interview about his ethos, which shows he has had to work at his practices. They tithe their profits to charity:
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/dec/17/gary-grant-entertainer-toyshop

    Not to be totally cynical, but doing this is a super tax efficient way of cashing out from your business. He isn't just giving away his business.
    Quite possibly - I have not seen any detailed figures; I guess the taxefficiency would depend on the level of dividend. But I applaud transferring the ownership to employees - and presumably he us making less than compared to a straight sell off done tax efficiently.

    Does anyone know how the two routes compare financially?
    Julian Richer (of Richer Sounds) did much the same.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/may/18/richer-sounds-boss-julian-richer-has-no-regrets?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    He also is motivated in part by Christian faith. He was ordained a vicar in 2006.
    That's really interesting - but I think he was baptised then confirmed, not ordained. He seems firmly in the commercial and philanthropic mould - with much work with eg Trussell Trust.

    Reading his bio, he is associated with St Michael-le-Belfrey in York, which is a church with a very creative recent history (since 197x). They are just doing a big refurbishment project with the most accessible full immersion baptistry in the country, which has an up and down hydraulic floor so people in wheelchairs or unable to do steps can be baptised.
    Julian Richer interview.

    https://www.churchtimes.co.uk/articles/2020/5-june/features/features/for-julian-richer-poorer-is-better

    (Don't tell the PB city boys and lawyers that he set up Taxwatch.)
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,547
    edited August 11

    PoliticalBetting.com: informed commentary on the major international issues of the day.

    Tomorrow: was the Free Territory of Trieste a mistake?

    Is it Danzig or Gdansk?. Discuss. Or Gdiscuss :)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2005-03-07/Gdansk_or_Danzig
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_edit_wars_on_Wikipedia
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,592

    PoliticalBetting.com: informed commentary on the major international issues of the day.

    Tomorrow: was the Free Territory of Trieste a mistake?

    Then there's the Schwelsig Holstein problem to address...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    What shall we call the teams?
    Name some of them after cities, some after regions and some after cricket grounds. Name one of them after a river AND the ground. Oh, and one after the people of a nation. With snazzy adjuncts that represent nothing.

    I'd name them the way I'd name London terminals.

    Waterloo, Agincourt, Trafalgar, Mers-el-Kébir, etc.
    Id go for cultured names
    The Otters Pockets
    The Wizards Sleeves etc
    The Otter's Pocket? You do know who invented this phrase?

    "It was the late 1990s and FHM was peaking. At its best, the magazine sold nearly a million copies a month. We were carefully producing the first-ever list of The 100 Sexiest Women in the World (which became an annual standard). My job was to write the captions. One hundred pithy, smutty, funny lines beneath a hundred photos of impossibly attractive women.

    Sounds easy? You try it – without using ChatGPT. Try writing a hundred unique ways of saying ‘she’s hot’ without repeating yourself or getting sacked. Around no. 34, I was delirious. Around no. 50, the editor physically locked me in his office and refused to let me out until the job was done.

    Then, somewhere around no. 73, I hit a wall. I was staring at a Danish starlet with smoky eyes and a definite air of sexual availability, of ‘come hither’ and ‘I’m ready’. Falteringly, I typed: ‘You can tell she’s wetter than…’ And there I stopped. Wetter than what? Heavy rain? Dublin in December?

    Then came the lightning bolt: ‘Wetter than an otter’s pocket.’ There it was: a perfect smutty phrase. Rude, but somehow innocent. Suggestive, but oddly poetic. It had internal rhyme and a ribald hint of biology. What does an otter keep in his pocket? His lunch. Work it out.

    Then, years later, something odd happened. I started hearing my phrase. From a football pundit describing an Anfield pitch. Then a weather girl. Some bloke on local radio. Then it cropped up on pub signs, in band names, in poems. Even, to my alarm, in the title of a Penguin children’s book (er, guys).

    Curious, I contacted the editors of Viz’s Profanisaurus, keepers of the English language’s smuttiest corners. Had I pinched it unconsciously? ‘We can find no earlier usage,’ they graciously replied. ‘Looks like it’s yours.’

    It’s not much of a literary legacy, I’ll admit."
    "Parkhead was wetter than an otter’s pocket."

    - 6 November 1999, Daily Record (Glasgow, Scotland), “Football: Is Berkovic an Israeli word for Kanchelskis?” by Tam Cowan, pg. 60.
    Sounds about right. FHM was huge in Scotland with football fans
    Which issue of FHM? Was it before or after The Record article?
    Before, you prat

    "FHM's 100 Sexiest Women was an annual listing compiled by the monthly British men's lifestyle magazine FHM, based on which women they believe to be the "sexiest". As of 2017, each year's list is first announced through a section on FHM's official website, FHM.com. The first listing was published in 1995 and was voted for by a panel of 250 judges"


    "It was the late 1990s and FHM was peaking. At its best, the magazine sold nearly a million copies a month. We were carefully producing the first-ever list of The 100 Sexiest Women in the World (which became an annual standard"
    Which issue, dick-head? "Late 1990s" is a bit vague!
    1995, I just told you (tho I do wonder at Wiki's complete accuracy here - "250 judges" - lol)
    Actually, invoking PB Pedantry (see other topics tonight!) "otter's pockets" were invented millions of years ago!

    "Millions of years ago?", I hear you cry! "What have you been smoking, Sunil?"

    Sea Otters have a pouch, a pocket if you like - a loose pouch of skin that extends from the forelegs across the chest - and they must have evolved some 5 million years ago.

    The Prosecution rests!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,522
    Foxy said:

    PoliticalBetting.com: informed commentary on the major international issues of the day.

    Tomorrow: was the Free Territory of Trieste a mistake?

    Then there's the Schwelsig Holstein problem to address...
    [SIGH] I told you before, that was solved in 1920!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Schleswig_plebiscites
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,123
    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    An interesting story that we may not have mentioned.

    The founder of The Entertainer toyshop chain is transferring the business with 1900 employees to 100% employee ownership. He founded it in one shop in 1981. His family will get some dividends back later.

    It's interesting to me because he is motivated in his philosophy by his born-again evangelical faith, but he seems to have kept an appropriate distance. It's not the kind of direct "God told me to" management of the business, more taking principles and values, concern for employees and so on - quite Quaker style. I'm far more comfortable with that than with the approach we see far too often in the USA.

    This is the first one of these known to me since Scott-Bader Ltd decades ago, which is now the Scott-Bader Commonwealth. There they consciously took inspiration from the Quaker tradition. I'm sure thee are others.

    Gary Grant opened his first shop with his wife Catherine in 1981 when he was 23. He's now 66, and his multi-million pound empire spans 160 shops across the UK.

    He is transferring 100% ownership of the family-owned business to an employee trust which means staff will get a share of the profits and a say in how the firm is run.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm2jjwmw9jo

    An older interview about his ethos, which shows he has had to work at his practices. They tithe their profits to charity:
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/dec/17/gary-grant-entertainer-toyshop

    Not to be totally cynical, but doing this is a super tax efficient way of cashing out from your business. He isn't just giving away his business.
    Quite possibly - I have not seen any detailed figures; I guess the taxefficiency would depend on the level of dividend. But I applaud transferring the ownership to employees - and presumably he us making less than compared to a straight sell off done tax efficiently.

    Does anyone know how the two routes compare financially?
    Julian Richer (of Richer Sounds) did much the same.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/may/18/richer-sounds-boss-julian-richer-has-no-regrets?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

    He also is motivated in part by Christian faith. He was ordained a vicar in 2006.
    That's really interesting - but I think he was baptised then confirmed, not ordained. He seems firmly in the commercial and philanthropic mould - with much work with eg Trussell Trust.

    Reading his bio, he is associated with St Michael-le-Belfrey in York, which is a church with a very creative recent history (since 197x). They are just doing a big refurbishment project with the most accessible full immersion baptistry in the country, which has an up and down hydraulic floor so people in wheelchairs or unable to do steps can be baptised.
    His business book is well worth a read: "The Ethical Capitalist". He doesn't see a conflict between being a Capitalist and being ethical.
    It's interesting and amusing that his organisation Acts435 is based on the same verse that is sometimes an inspiration for Christian Communism.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,069
    Looking at that poll of which economic indicators are regarded as important.

    Interesting to see how low MPs regard government debt - showing how unwilling they are to cut spending and/or raise taxes to deal with it.

    Also how bothered the public is about the value of sterling - foreign holiday experiences perhaps ?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 28,069

    PoliticalBetting.com: informed commentary on the major international issues of the day.

    Tomorrow: was the Free Territory of Trieste a mistake?

    Leon will opine about the Free State of Fiume and his hero Gabriele D'Annunzio.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,592

    Foxy said:

    PoliticalBetting.com: informed commentary on the major international issues of the day.

    Tomorrow: was the Free Territory of Trieste a mistake?

    Then there's the Schwelsig Holstein problem to address...
    [SIGH] I told you before, that was solved in 1920!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Schleswig_plebiscites
    Though the fundamental question over how sovereignty is transferred when a Duke dies remains outstanding.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,613

    What shall we call the teams?
    Name some of them after cities, some after regions and some after cricket grounds. Name one of them after a river AND the ground. Oh, and one after the people of a nation. With snazzy adjuncts that represent nothing.

    I'd name them the way I'd name London terminals.

    Waterloo, Agincourt, Trafalgar, Mers-el-Kébir, etc.
    Id go for cultured names
    The Otters Pockets
    The Wizards Sleeves etc
    At a previous company, we had a fairly massive computing set up to run 3-D seismic.

    The drive was offically called the Wizard's Sleeve.

    Bloody uncouth Aussies.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,123

    PoliticalBetting.com: informed commentary on the major international issues of the day.

    Tomorrow: was the Free Territory of Trieste a mistake?

    Leon will opine about the Free State of Fiume and his hero Gabriele D'Annunzio.
    Tomorrow's article will be far more interesting, I'm sure.
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