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  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,326
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    @TSE I'm just putting together a header on the changes to motoring law that I will submit a bit later - aiming for 9,30am so perhaps one for this afternoon.

    I'm writing it then popping out for my walk before coming back for a final check.

    @MattW one thing that occurs to me is that the new drink drive limit will likely catch out a lot of drivers in the morning. Anecdotally, that's what happened in Scotland with people driving to work on a Saturday morning only 7 hours after their last pint.

    A bit after the horse has bolted though. Drug driving is now a bigger issue I think. On older people, politically fraught but there is very clear evidence driving standards fall dramatically after 70. This wasn't such a big issue when we had decent bus provision - now taking a licence away can be devastating for people.
    Also the spread of housing estates far beyond sensible, in terms of public transport. I see estates being built in farmland in places which are sometimes a couple of miles from the nearest bus stop. Anyone living there is going to have problems when they get too old to tool around in their cars.
    Although community is quite strong in rural areas in terms of lifts and there are taxis of course too
    'New housing estates' are not the same as 'rural communities.' They would be more like plantations with lots of new people moving in.

    In towns with lots of farmland nearby taxis can be at rather a premium too. They hang out in major conurbations.
    Depends if said town has a train station or not
    New developments, if not in towns, should either be near a railway station or near a railway line with a condition of development being a railway station being funded and opened.
    Pointless if trains only stop there once every second Thursday.
    That sounds like quite a full on service. How many platforms are needed if they stop every second on Thursdays?
    Say a minute of dwell time at the platform. Plus a minute interval between trains. 120 seconds. So 120 platforms?

    Mind you, the number of a parallel tracks required for the actual journeys. You'd end up with trains nose to tail... make them one giant train... Then how to get people on and off... The Roads Must Roll made manifest?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,473
    Icarus said:

    Eabhal said:

    I've a considerable interest in two of today's topics since both Mrs C and I are regular, if low-level, drinkers and concerned about our driving.
    I quite like some..... eg Ghost Ship Zero but generally find it easier to just not drink as much. I really, really don't want to fall over and damage my spine any more than it's damaged already. Fortunately the local pub has reasonably frequent changes of guest beers, so I'm able to experiment.

    On driving. earlier this year I had a long drawn out discussion with the DVLA which resulted in me surrendering my licence, due to inability to react quickly enough (see above for spinal damage). During the process I had a couple of charged for assessments at a Centre associated with, but not part of, the DVLA. I 'passed' the first, but not the second.

    Mrs C still has a licence and drives about the locality but was concerned about her sight. However the opticians have assured that it';s fine.
    However she fell foul of a speed camera earlier this year and as a result when on a Driving Awareness course, and while there was told about an organisation which will assess older drivers, m at no charge, and comment on their driving. She's now waiting for them to come back to her.

    On the electric mobility scooter point, I've now got one and while I can manage many places locally well enough, including the supermarket and my favourite pub, I can't use the Post Office because the aisles are too narrow and I knock things off the shelves!

    Keep knocking stuff off until they make it accessible. I used to measure the aisles as part of my old retail job.

    I think those assessments you and wife have done should be free.
    My 94 year old aunt takes a voluntary driving test every year. As she says she takes old people in her car and wants to be sure she is safe!
    Good idea.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,298
    Scott_xP said:

    DavidL said:

    On the subject of low alcohol beers etc. can I mention my "life hack" that has me ridiculed and mocked, but it's nevertheless a good idea: use the zero alcohol beer as a substitute for lemondade in a shandy. Half a glass of proper beer, topped up with the zero alcohol stuff. The end product still tastes like beer, but with a lower alcohol content, and not sickly sweet either.
    However, the beer purists will denounce you, youngsters will talk mockingly of "grand-dad's special cocktail" and your spouse will still think that you are drinking too much. I assure you, it's worth trying.

    Mixing bottled and draught beer used to be a thing, partly because cask beer was often poor quality but bottled beer expensive. So mixing the two gave you a reasonable cost/quality ratio.

    When I moved to London 30 years ago, some of the old soaks in Youngs pubs would still drink Ram Spesh, which was half a pint of Special in a pint glass, topped up with a bottle of Ram Rod.
    My grandfather enjoyed a pint of twos - half a mild with half a bitter
    As a student I used to drink snakebite which was a combination of cider and beer. It was weirdly potent.
    I recall some pubs in Edinburgh refusing to sell it in pints due to the potency. You could of course buy as many half pints as you could carry...
    Had somebody ask for a Guinness shandy once. They got the raw ingredients to attempt to mix themselves.
    I assume they were taking the piss but its their money
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,821
    Carnyx said:

    algarkirk said:

    The new drink driving limit: Sponsored by Guinness Zero.

    By all accounts, alcohol-free booze has come on leaps and bounds so the designated driver no longer has to sip too-sweet soft drinks.
    Low alcohol and alcohol free beer is now my drink of choice at pubs and even in the evening: I can recommend Brewdog's "Hazy AF" and the rest of their AF range.

    I haven't given up drinking, and haven't yet found a good low alcohol wine (and the concept of low alcohol spirits strikes me as bizarre), but for beer they taste good enough for me, and I can drink them and drive.
    Beer/lager is the only drink I have found where 0% can in any sense replicate the taste. I like the stuff like Gordons 0% as well, but gin it isn't. 0% wines - avoid.

    Why do 0% lagers work and 0% wine doesn't? What's going on with the chemistry here?
    Dunno, but just think of it as the small beer which they used to use routinely for drinks everyday rather than water (bug-laden) and tea/coffee (too expensive, also adulterated in hindsight).
    Have to be careful with Small Beer.


  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,740
    While we are doing tightening the law on driving. How long can you ride around on a moped with L plates? It seems like some people are doing it forever.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,239
    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    @TSE I'm just putting together a header on the changes to motoring law that I will submit a bit later - aiming for 9,30am so perhaps one for this afternoon.

    I'm writing it then popping out for my walk before coming back for a final check.

    @MattW one thing that occurs to me is that the new drink drive limit will likely catch out a lot of drivers in the morning. Anecdotally, that's what happened in Scotland with people driving to work on a Saturday morning only 7 hours after their last pint.

    A bit after the horse has bolted though. Drug driving is now a bigger issue I think. On older people, politically fraught but there is very clear evidence driving standards fall dramatically after 70. This wasn't such a big issue when we had decent bus provision - now taking a licence away can be devastating for people.
    Also the spread of housing estates far beyond sensible, in terms of public transport. I see estates being built in farmland in places which are sometimes a couple of miles from the nearest bus stop. Anyone living there is going to have problems when they get too old to tool around in their cars.
    Although community is quite strong in rural areas in terms of lifts and there are taxis of course too
    'New housing estates' are not the same as 'rural communities.' They would be more like plantations with lots of new people moving in.

    In towns with lots of farmland nearby taxis can be at rather a premium too. They hang out in major conurbations.
    Depends if said town has a train station or not
    Railway station.
    Pedantry gone mad. What is wrong with train station? It is not as if trains don't stop there so it seems like a perfectly adequate unambiguous description to me. National Rail and Trainline use it and Google tells me it is ok and it is apparently a more common term with the younger elements of society so @HYUFD is down with the youff as well.
    A railway station is a location where the railway is stationed.

    There are folk over on Rail Forums who would die in a ditch over this.

  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,265

    Nigelb said:

    AOL says it will discontinue dial-up internet on September 30

    May this sound echo in eternity:

    https://x.com/MorningBrew/status/1954248434841432153

    The last grandkid finally figured out how to cancel granddad's decades old subscription ?

    You have mail. Sigh. Back in the mists of..... oh, 2001
    Do young people watching reruns of “You’ve got mail” wonder what the funny computer noises are?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,382
    Andy_JS said:

    MattW said:

    Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime....

    THE first migrant to be convicted of illegally working for Deliveroo since The Sun’s probe has been fined just £26 after claiming to be in debt.

    JPs gave him a conditional discharge, after hearing Merez was in debt and a first-time offender. He must pay the victim surcharge at the minimum £26.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36232632/first-migrant-convicted-deliveroo-fined/

    The Sun needs to decide what it wants - should they be paid for by the state or should they be allowed to work?
    Neither.
    True. But given that people on British soil are a British problem (at least in the short term), those are the only two realistic options.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,799

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    @TSE I'm just putting together a header on the changes to motoring law that I will submit a bit later - aiming for 9,30am so perhaps one for this afternoon.

    I'm writing it then popping out for my walk before coming back for a final check.

    @MattW one thing that occurs to me is that the new drink drive limit will likely catch out a lot of drivers in the morning. Anecdotally, that's what happened in Scotland with people driving to work on a Saturday morning only 7 hours after their last pint.

    A bit after the horse has bolted though. Drug driving is now a bigger issue I think. On older people, politically fraught but there is very clear evidence driving standards fall dramatically after 70. This wasn't such a big issue when we had decent bus provision - now taking a licence away can be devastating for people.
    Also the spread of housing estates far beyond sensible, in terms of public transport. I see estates being built in farmland in places which are sometimes a couple of miles from the nearest bus stop. Anyone living there is going to have problems when they get too old to tool around in their cars.
    Although community is quite strong in rural areas in terms of lifts and there are taxis of course too
    'New housing estates' are not the same as 'rural communities.' They would be more like plantations with lots of new people moving in.

    In towns with lots of farmland nearby taxis can be at rather a premium too. They hang out in major conurbations.
    Depends if said town has a train station or not
    Railway station.
    Pedantry gone mad. What is wrong with train station? It is not as if trains don't stop there so it seems like a perfectly adequate unambiguous description to me. National Rail and Trainline use it and Google tells me it is ok and it is apparently a more common term with the younger elements of society so @HYUFD is down with the youff as well.
    A railway station is a location where the railway is stationed.

    There are folk over on Rail Forums who would die in a ditch over this.

    Then the language will move on one dead Rail Forum user at a time. A bit like physics.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,100

    fitalass said:

    Now that Nicola Sturgeon has said she should have paused the GRR, I wonder if all her fervent supporters, ministers included, feel they were taken for a ride by her when they came out saying Alister Jack was attacking devolution when he actually did pause it!

    https://x.com/holyroodmandy/status/1954792127788888523

    I am being utterly sincere when I say that from the moment I heard that Nicola Sturgeon had the brass neck to call her memoirs 'Frankly' I called it when I said she was literally doing what she has done for years and that was trolling us in plain sight. This is the politician who in the last few years when ever put in front of an inquiry under oath developed amnesia and simple ignored any invites to appear in front of the Scotland committee at Westminster while Pete Wishart totally ignored her arrogant dismal of the committee and didn't criticise her absence.

    About fifteen years ago she and her then husband set out to create the carefully PR created persona that was to be the presidential like figure that was to became bigger than the SNP as a party and the ill informed UK media lapped it up without question and even the most basic journalistic investigation went out the window while only Andrew Neil and less than a handful of other inquiring journalists were prepared to robustly question her about her record and the various SNP Government scandals happening domestically in Scotland under her stewardship.

    This memoir is yet another clearly cynical attempt by Nicola Sturgeon to rehabilitate her post scandal laden political image and attempts to set out a more softer post frontline narrative that she doesn't deserve and simple doesn't exist. But everyone woman who stood up and stuck their head above the parapet to fight her GRR bill will find this news cold comfort. I have been a SCon voter for nearly 40 years, I fought passionately for No in the Indy Ref in 2014, I fought as passionately to Remain in the EU Ref. Both campaigns fought across political party lines where I made so many friends across the politcal divide.

    But a few years ago in Scotland I finally found the political hill I was absolutely finally prepared to die on, and I have met an amazing group of cross party women who felt like I did and it has always been about the hard fought for rights for women and protecting those womens rights to have safe spaces. Nicola Sturgeon told us that our concerns were not valid when it suited her and hounded out other females like Joanna Cherrie, Joan McAlpine and Ash Regan from her own party. She is not and never has been the feminist she has tried to portray herself as when it suits.
    Absolutely this! Post of the month! I still hope to see Sturgeon in jail, and I say this as an SNP member for over 50 years. The Scottish media are very critical of the SNP, but Sturgeon and her acolytes always seem to get a free pass.
    Part of the problem is that the Scottish media is just too timid and lacking in resources to challenge. And the UK media, which actually counts, too ill-informed and afraid of seeming condescending, to challenge too. Frankly, they were in thrall to Nicola and, to be fair, she had a formidable media operation so you had to be very well-informed and confident to take her on, or even hold her to account. The one person who could, Andrew Neil, is, notably, a working-class Scot who is always formidably well-briefed - but there aren't too many media folk like him.

    This is a serious point as a properly functioning democracy requires a properly functioning fourth estate.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,298

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    @TSE I'm just putting together a header on the changes to motoring law that I will submit a bit later - aiming for 9,30am so perhaps one for this afternoon.

    I'm writing it then popping out for my walk before coming back for a final check.

    @MattW one thing that occurs to me is that the new drink drive limit will likely catch out a lot of drivers in the morning. Anecdotally, that's what happened in Scotland with people driving to work on a Saturday morning only 7 hours after their last pint.

    A bit after the horse has bolted though. Drug driving is now a bigger issue I think. On older people, politically fraught but there is very clear evidence driving standards fall dramatically after 70. This wasn't such a big issue when we had decent bus provision - now taking a licence away can be devastating for people.
    Also the spread of housing estates far beyond sensible, in terms of public transport. I see estates being built in farmland in places which are sometimes a couple of miles from the nearest bus stop. Anyone living there is going to have problems when they get too old to tool around in their cars.
    Although community is quite strong in rural areas in terms of lifts and there are taxis of course too
    'New housing estates' are not the same as 'rural communities.' They would be more like plantations with lots of new people moving in.

    In towns with lots of farmland nearby taxis can be at rather a premium too. They hang out in major conurbations.
    Depends if said town has a train station or not
    Railway station.
    Pedantry gone mad. What is wrong with train station? It is not as if trains don't stop there so it seems like a perfectly adequate unambiguous description to me. National Rail and Trainline use it and Google tells me it is ok and it is apparently a more common term with the younger elements of society so @HYUFD is down with the youff as well.
    A railway station is a location where the railway is stationed.

    There are folk over on Rail Forums who would die in a ditch over this.

    I'll remove my cap as I pass the ditch on the way to the train station
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,265

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    @TSE I'm just putting together a header on the changes to motoring law that I will submit a bit later - aiming for 9,30am so perhaps one for this afternoon.

    I'm writing it then popping out for my walk before coming back for a final check.

    @MattW one thing that occurs to me is that the new drink drive limit will likely catch out a lot of drivers in the morning. Anecdotally, that's what happened in Scotland with people driving to work on a Saturday morning only 7 hours after their last pint.

    A bit after the horse has bolted though. Drug driving is now a bigger issue I think. On older people, politically fraught but there is very clear evidence driving standards fall dramatically after 70. This wasn't such a big issue when we had decent bus provision - now taking a licence away can be devastating for people.
    Also the spread of housing estates far beyond sensible, in terms of public transport. I see estates being built in farmland in places which are sometimes a couple of miles from the nearest bus stop. Anyone living there is going to have problems when they get too old to tool around in their cars.
    Although community is quite strong in rural areas in terms of lifts and there are taxis of course too
    'New housing estates' are not the same as 'rural communities.' They would be more like plantations with lots of new people moving in.

    In towns with lots of farmland nearby taxis can be at rather a premium too. They hang out in major conurbations.
    Depends if said town has a train station or not
    Railway station.
    Pedantry gone mad. What is wrong with train station? It is not as if trains don't stop there so it seems like a perfectly adequate unambiguous description to me. National Rail and Trainline use it and Google tells me it is ok and it is apparently a more common term with the younger elements of society so @HYUFD is down with the youff as well.
    A railway station is a location where the railway is stationed.

    There are folk over on Rail Forums who would die in a ditch over this.

    A railway ditch or a train ditch?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,326

    While we are doing tightening the law on driving. How long can you ride around on a moped with L plates? It seems like some people are doing it forever.

    And this is part of the duality of the law that upsets people so much.

    On the one hand you have people taking their tests, listening to medical advice, getting insurance, maintaining the car carefully.

    Then your mirror (carefully adjusted) gets wacked by an eternal L-plater on a scooter, doing delivery. He's probably uninsured.

    You see similar in building - the bandit sites (visibly breaking the law) are rarely touched. Run a decent site and you actually get inspected.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,239

    algarkirk said:

    The new drink driving limit: Sponsored by Guinness Zero.

    By all accounts, alcohol-free booze has come on leaps and bounds so the designated driver no longer has to sip too-sweet soft drinks.
    Low alcohol and alcohol free beer is now my drink of choice at pubs and even in the evening: I can recommend Brewdog's "Hazy AF" and the rest of their AF range.

    I haven't given up drinking, and haven't yet found a good low alcohol wine (and the concept of low alcohol spirits strikes me as bizarre), but for beer they taste good enough for me, and I can drink them and drive.
    Beer/lager is the only drink I have found where 0% can in any sense replicate the taste. I like the stuff like Gordons 0% as well, but gin it isn't. 0% wines - avoid.

    There must be a market opportunity for anyone that can produce a palatable alcohol free wine.
    Palatable wine is too big a challenge for many of them.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,326

    fitalass said:

    Now that Nicola Sturgeon has said she should have paused the GRR, I wonder if all her fervent supporters, ministers included, feel they were taken for a ride by her when they came out saying Alister Jack was attacking devolution when he actually did pause it!

    https://x.com/holyroodmandy/status/1954792127788888523

    I am being utterly sincere when I say that from the moment I heard that Nicola Sturgeon had the brass neck to call her memoirs 'Frankly' I called it when I said she was literally doing what she has done for years and that was trolling us in plain sight. This is the politician who in the last few years when ever put in front of an inquiry under oath developed amnesia and simple ignored any invites to appear in front of the Scotland committee at Westminster while Pete Wishart totally ignored her arrogant dismal of the committee and didn't criticise her absence.

    About fifteen years ago she and her then husband set out to create the carefully PR created persona that was to be the presidential like figure that was to became bigger than the SNP as a party and the ill informed UK media lapped it up without question and even the most basic journalistic investigation went out the window while only Andrew Neil and less than a handful of other inquiring journalists were prepared to robustly question her about her record and the various SNP Government scandals happening domestically in Scotland under her stewardship.

    This memoir is yet another clearly cynical attempt by Nicola Sturgeon to rehabilitate her post scandal laden political image and attempts to set out a more softer post frontline narrative that she doesn't deserve and simple doesn't exist. But everyone woman who stood up and stuck their head above the parapet to fight her GRR bill will find this news cold comfort. I have been a SCon voter for nearly 40 years, I fought passionately for No in the Indy Ref in 2014, I fought as passionately to Remain in the EU Ref. Both campaigns fought across political party lines where I made so many friends across the politcal divide.

    But a few years ago in Scotland I finally found the political hill I was absolutely finally prepared to die on, and I have met an amazing group of cross party women who felt like I did and it has always been about the hard fought for rights for women and protecting those womens rights to have safe spaces. Nicola Sturgeon told us that our concerns were not valid when it suited her and hounded out other females like Joanna Cherrie, Joan McAlpine and Ash Regan from her own party. She is not and never has been the feminist she has tried to portray herself as when it suits.
    Absolutely this! Post of the month! I still hope to see Sturgeon in jail, and I say this as an SNP member for over 50 years. The Scottish media are very critical of the SNP, but Sturgeon and her acolytes always seem to get a free pass.
    Part of the problem is that the Scottish media is just too timid and lacking in resources to challenge. And the UK media, which actually counts, too ill-informed and afraid of seeming condescending, to challenge too. Frankly, they were in thrall to Nicola and, to be fair, she had a formidable media operation so you had to be very well-informed and confident to take her on, or even hold her to account. The one person who could, Andrew Neil, is, notably, a working-class Scot who is always formidably well-briefed - but there aren't too many media folk like him.

    This is a serious point as a properly functioning democracy requires a properly functioning fourth estate.
    There was also the issue of the pile-ons from errr.... supporters, especially online, for anyone daring to question The Maximum Leader.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,265

    fitalass said:

    Now that Nicola Sturgeon has said she should have paused the GRR, I wonder if all her fervent supporters, ministers included, feel they were taken for a ride by her when they came out saying Alister Jack was attacking devolution when he actually did pause it!

    https://x.com/holyroodmandy/status/1954792127788888523

    I am being utterly sincere when I say that from the moment I heard that Nicola Sturgeon had the brass neck to call her memoirs 'Frankly' I called it when I said she was literally doing what she has done for years and that was trolling us in plain sight. This is the politician who in the last few years when ever put in front of an inquiry under oath developed amnesia and simple ignored any invites to appear in front of the Scotland committee at Westminster while Pete Wishart totally ignored her arrogant dismal of the committee and didn't criticise her absence.

    About fifteen years ago she and her then husband set out to create the carefully PR created persona that was to be the presidential like figure that was to became bigger than the SNP as a party and the ill informed UK media lapped it up without question and even the most basic journalistic investigation went out the window while only Andrew Neil and less than a handful of other inquiring journalists were prepared to robustly question her about her record and the various SNP Government scandals happening domestically in Scotland under her stewardship.

    This memoir is yet another clearly cynical attempt by Nicola Sturgeon to rehabilitate her post scandal laden political image and attempts to set out a more softer post frontline narrative that she doesn't deserve and simple doesn't exist. But everyone woman who stood up and stuck their head above the parapet to fight her GRR bill will find this news cold comfort. I have been a SCon voter for nearly 40 years, I fought passionately for No in the Indy Ref in 2014, I fought as passionately to Remain in the EU Ref. Both campaigns fought across political party lines where I made so many friends across the politcal divide.

    But a few years ago in Scotland I finally found the political hill I was absolutely finally prepared to die on, and I have met an amazing group of cross party women who felt like I did and it has always been about the hard fought for rights for women and protecting those womens rights to have safe spaces. Nicola Sturgeon told us that our concerns were not valid when it suited her and hounded out other females like Joanna Cherrie, Joan McAlpine and Ash Regan from her own party. She is not and never has been the feminist she has tried to portray herself as when it suits.
    Absolutely this! Post of the month! I still hope to see Sturgeon in jail, and I say this as an SNP member for over 50 years. The Scottish media are very critical of the SNP, but Sturgeon and her acolytes always seem to get a free pass.
    Part of the problem is that the Scottish media is just too timid and lacking in resources to challenge. And the UK media, which actually counts, too ill-informed and afraid of seeming condescending, to challenge too. Frankly, they were in thrall to Nicola and, to be fair, she had a formidable media operation so you had to be very well-informed and confident to take her on, or even hold her to account. The one person who could, Andrew Neil, is, notably, a working-class Scot who is always formidably well-briefed - but there aren't too many media folk like him.

    This is a serious point as a properly functioning democracy requires a properly functioning fourth estate.
    Agreed, except that we used to live a few doors away from Andrew Neil’s brother and sister in law (who was our daughter’s piano teacher). They were a very nice couple, but not working class.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,483

    fitalass said:

    MattW said:

    fitalass said:

    DavidL said:

    On the subject of low alcohol beers etc. can I mention my "life hack" that has me ridiculed and mocked, but it's nevertheless a good idea: use the zero alcohol beer as a substitute for lemondade in a shandy. Half a glass of proper beer, topped up with the zero alcohol stuff. The end product still tastes like beer, but with a lower alcohol content, and not sickly sweet either.
    However, the beer purists will denounce you, youngsters will talk mockingly of "grand-dad's special cocktail" and your spouse will still think that you are drinking too much. I assure you, it's worth trying.

    Mixing bottled and draught beer used to be a thing, partly because cask beer was often poor quality but bottled beer expensive. So mixing the two gave you a reasonable cost/quality ratio.

    When I moved to London 30 years ago, some of the old soaks in Youngs pubs would still drink Ram Spesh, which was half a pint of Special in a pint glass, topped up with a bottle of Ram Rod.
    My grandfather enjoyed a pint of twos - half a mild with half a bitter
    As a student I used to drink snakebite which was a combination of cider and beer. It was weirdly potent.
    OMG, that is a real blast from the past for me as I used to drink a snakebite or two at the start of a night out as a student and I was not or have ever been a cider or a beer drinker but it was an absolute tradition and a very potent start to a good night out drinking. Was this a purely Scottish thing?
    It was around at my university, though I thought it was cider and lager *. And I'd never drink anything (even then) with Gas-o-Lager in it.

    (* "beer" is not lager)
    I have just remembered, it was cider with either beer or lager but we girls used to ask for it with a dash of blackcurrent juice as well!
    Snakebite and black
    Yes, that is what we used to have at the start of a night out, but I would always end up being the only person in my age group drinking a gin and tonic by the end of the night. I just could not get into all the usual spirits with coke or lemonade mixers and almost gave up trying to find a drink mix I liked when someone suggested I try a gin and tonic. I was regarded as a complete oddity for drinking it back then and now gin has exploded in popularity with a crazy amount of various brands.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,326

    algarkirk said:

    The new drink driving limit: Sponsored by Guinness Zero.

    By all accounts, alcohol-free booze has come on leaps and bounds so the designated driver no longer has to sip too-sweet soft drinks.
    Low alcohol and alcohol free beer is now my drink of choice at pubs and even in the evening: I can recommend Brewdog's "Hazy AF" and the rest of their AF range.

    I haven't given up drinking, and haven't yet found a good low alcohol wine (and the concept of low alcohol spirits strikes me as bizarre), but for beer they taste good enough for me, and I can drink them and drive.
    Beer/lager is the only drink I have found where 0% can in any sense replicate the taste. I like the stuff like Gordons 0% as well, but gin it isn't. 0% wines - avoid.

    There must be a market opportunity for anyone that can produce a palatable alcohol free wine.
    Palatable wine is too big a challenge for many of them.
    I've tasted some zero alcohol wines that are up to "middle of the road Pinot Grigio" standards - a nice enough drink on a hot day in a cafe environment.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,100

    fitalass said:

    MattW said:

    fitalass said:

    DavidL said:

    On the subject of low alcohol beers etc. can I mention my "life hack" that has me ridiculed and mocked, but it's nevertheless a good idea: use the zero alcohol beer as a substitute for lemondade in a shandy. Half a glass of proper beer, topped up with the zero alcohol stuff. The end product still tastes like beer, but with a lower alcohol content, and not sickly sweet either.
    However, the beer purists will denounce you, youngsters will talk mockingly of "grand-dad's special cocktail" and your spouse will still think that you are drinking too much. I assure you, it's worth trying.

    Mixing bottled and draught beer used to be a thing, partly because cask beer was often poor quality but bottled beer expensive. So mixing the two gave you a reasonable cost/quality ratio.

    When I moved to London 30 years ago, some of the old soaks in Youngs pubs would still drink Ram Spesh, which was half a pint of Special in a pint glass, topped up with a bottle of Ram Rod.
    My grandfather enjoyed a pint of twos - half a mild with half a bitter
    As a student I used to drink snakebite which was a combination of cider and beer. It was weirdly potent.
    OMG, that is a real blast from the past for me as I used to drink a snakebite or two at the start of a night out as a student and I was not or have ever been a cider or a beer drinker but it was an absolute tradition and a very potent start to a good night out drinking. Was this a purely Scottish thing?
    It was around at my university, though I thought it was cider and lager *. And I'd never drink anything (even then) with Gas-o-Lager in it.

    (* "beer" is not lager)
    I have just remembered, it was cider with either beer or lager but we girls used to ask for it with a dash of blackcurrent juice as well!
    Snakebite and black
    Do people still drink barley wine? Gold Label was a thing back in the day in my student union. The cheapest and most direct way to oblivion as I recall its advocates cheerfully stating as they settled down in the gloomier corners.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,473

    While we are doing tightening the law on driving. How long can you ride around on a moped with L plates? It seems like some people are doing it forever.

    Back in the '50's I passed my test on a moped, then bought a 250cc bike.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,239

    On the subject of low alcohol beers etc. can I mention my "life hack" that has me ridiculed and mocked, but it's nevertheless a good idea: use the zero alcohol beer as a substitute for lemondade in a shandy. Half a glass of proper beer, topped up with the zero alcohol stuff. The end product still tastes like beer, but with a lower alcohol content, and not sickly sweet either.
    However, the beer purists will denounce you, youngsters will talk mockingly of "grand-dad's special cocktail" and your spouse will still think that you are drinking too much. I assure you, it's worth trying.

    Mixing bottled and draught beer used to be a thing, partly because cask beer was often poor quality but bottled beer expensive. So mixing the two gave you a reasonable cost/quality ratio.

    When I moved to London 30 years ago, some of the old soaks in Youngs pubs would still drink Ram Spesh, which was half a pint of Special in a pint glass, topped up with a bottle of Ram Rod.
    There used to be a drink in the North East called a Boilermaker - half a pint of Newcastle Exhibition( aka "Ex") in a pint glass, topped up with half a bottle of Newcastle Brown Ale (aka "Bottle of Dog").

    As you still had the rest of the Brown, you would be obliged to have a second.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,073
    edited August 11

    I've a considerable interest in two of today's topics since both Mrs C and I are regular, if low-level, drinkers and concerned about our driving.
    I quite like some..... eg Ghost Ship Zero but generally find it easier to just not drink as much. I really, really don't want to fall over and damage my spine any more than it's damaged already. Fortunately the local pub has reasonably frequent changes of guest beers, so I'm able to experiment.

    On driving. earlier this year I had a long drawn out discussion with the DVLA which resulted in me surrendering my licence, due to inability to react quickly enough (see above for spinal damage). During the process I had a couple of charged for assessments at a Centre associated with, but not part of, the DVLA. I 'passed' the first, but not the second.

    Mrs C still has a licence and drives about the locality but was concerned about her sight. However the opticians have assured that it';s fine.
    However she fell foul of a speed camera earlier this year and as a result when on a Driving Awareness course, and while there was told about an organisation which will assess older drivers, m at no charge, and comment on their driving. She's now waiting for them to come back to her.

    On the electric mobility scooter point, I've now got one and while I can manage many places locally well enough, including the supermarket and my favourite pub, I can't use the Post Office because the aisles are too narrow and I knock things off the shelves!

    As soneone who's doing it, who would your wife react to greater flexibility in types of vehicle available eg golf carts as used in eg Florida, or those French style microcars as extensively used in Amsterdam. Here we have traditionally not had anything smaller than a full-size car available, which is not horribly expensive. And our road networks etc set up such that it is intimidating to be driving one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9ly7JjqEb0

    I'd consider asking them fairly gently about the Equality Act 2010 and their responsibility to provide an accessible service.

    In this case, it would perhaps be "reasonable adjustments", which could be for example making the Post Office counter available down a wider aisle, even if that means that other things less universally used are more difficult.

    But these things always need thought and flexibility. Do they know that you, and all the other people like you, can't get in and that it costs them money?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,298
    edited August 11

    fitalass said:

    MattW said:

    fitalass said:

    DavidL said:

    On the subject of low alcohol beers etc. can I mention my "life hack" that has me ridiculed and mocked, but it's nevertheless a good idea: use the zero alcohol beer as a substitute for lemondade in a shandy. Half a glass of proper beer, topped up with the zero alcohol stuff. The end product still tastes like beer, but with a lower alcohol content, and not sickly sweet either.
    However, the beer purists will denounce you, youngsters will talk mockingly of "grand-dad's special cocktail" and your spouse will still think that you are drinking too much. I assure you, it's worth trying.

    Mixing bottled and draught beer used to be a thing, partly because cask beer was often poor quality but bottled beer expensive. So mixing the two gave you a reasonable cost/quality ratio.

    When I moved to London 30 years ago, some of the old soaks in Youngs pubs would still drink Ram Spesh, which was half a pint of Special in a pint glass, topped up with a bottle of Ram Rod.
    My grandfather enjoyed a pint of twos - half a mild with half a bitter
    As a student I used to drink snakebite which was a combination of cider and beer. It was weirdly potent.
    OMG, that is a real blast from the past for me as I used to drink a snakebite or two at the start of a night out as a student and I was not or have ever been a cider or a beer drinker but it was an absolute tradition and a very potent start to a good night out drinking. Was this a purely Scottish thing?
    It was around at my university, though I thought it was cider and lager *. And I'd never drink anything (even then) with Gas-o-Lager in it.

    (* "beer" is not lager)
    I have just remembered, it was cider with either beer or lager but we girls used to ask for it with a dash of blackcurrent juice as well!
    Snakebite and black
    Do people still drink barley wine? Gold Label was a thing back in the day in my student union. The cheapest and most direct way to oblivion as I recall its advocates cheerfully stating as they settled down in the gloomier corners.
    When I worked in my father's pub in the very early 90s there were two old dears aged mid 80s and mid 90s who used to drink a bottle or 2 of Gold Label of an evening. One of them used to drive to the pub as I recall. I used to walk the older one home (not far) after closing. She was a legend.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,344

    Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime....

    THE first migrant to be convicted of illegally working for Deliveroo since The Sun’s probe has been fined just £26 after claiming to be in debt.

    JPs gave him a conditional discharge, after hearing Merez was in debt and a first-time offender. He must pay the victim surcharge at the minimum £26.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36232632/first-migrant-convicted-deliveroo-fined/

    That's how our system works. No point in fining people amounts they can't pay as a) they won't be able and b) it can cause knock-on effects like loss of accommodation. It's widely applied to the Great British Public and not just immigrants.

    But if you want to change the whole system ....
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,787

    fitalass said:

    Now that Nicola Sturgeon has said she should have paused the GRR, I wonder if all her fervent supporters, ministers included, feel they were taken for a ride by her when they came out saying Alister Jack was attacking devolution when he actually did pause it!

    https://x.com/holyroodmandy/status/1954792127788888523

    I am being utterly sincere when I say that from the moment I heard that Nicola Sturgeon had the brass neck to call her memoirs 'Frankly' I called it when I said she was literally doing what she has done for years and that was trolling us in plain sight. This is the politician who in the last few years when ever put in front of an inquiry under oath developed amnesia and simple ignored any invites to appear in front of the Scotland committee at Westminster while Pete Wishart totally ignored her arrogant dismal of the committee and didn't criticise her absence.

    About fifteen years ago she and her then husband set out to create the carefully PR created persona that was to be the presidential like figure that was to became bigger than the SNP as a party and the ill informed UK media lapped it up without question and even the most basic journalistic investigation went out the window while only Andrew Neil and less than a handful of other inquiring journalists were prepared to robustly question her about her record and the various SNP Government scandals happening domestically in Scotland under her stewardship.

    This memoir is yet another clearly cynical attempt by Nicola Sturgeon to rehabilitate her post scandal laden political image and attempts to set out a more softer post frontline narrative that she doesn't deserve and simple doesn't exist. But everyone woman who stood up and stuck their head above the parapet to fight her GRR bill will find this news cold comfort. I have been a SCon voter for nearly 40 years, I fought passionately for No in the Indy Ref in 2014, I fought as passionately to Remain in the EU Ref. Both campaigns fought across political party lines where I made so many friends across the politcal divide.

    But a few years ago in Scotland I finally found the political hill I was absolutely finally prepared to die on, and I have met an amazing group of cross party women who felt like I did and it has always been about the hard fought for rights for women and protecting those womens rights to have safe spaces. Nicola Sturgeon told us that our concerns were not valid when it suited her and hounded out other females like Joanna Cherrie, Joan McAlpine and Ash Regan from her own party. She is not and never has been the feminist she has tried to portray herself as when it suits.
    Absolutely this! Post of the month! I still hope to see Sturgeon in jail, and I say this as an SNP member for over 50 years. The Scottish media are very critical of the SNP, but Sturgeon and her acolytes always seem to get a free pass.
    Part of the problem is that the Scottish media is just too timid and lacking in resources to challenge. And the UK media, which actually counts, too ill-informed and afraid of seeming condescending, to challenge too. Frankly, they were in thrall to Nicola and, to be fair, she had a formidable media operation so you had to be very well-informed and confident to take her on, or even hold her to account. The one person who could, Andrew Neil, is, notably, a working-class Scot who is always formidably well-briefed - but there aren't too many media folk like him.

    This is a serious point as a properly functioning democracy requires a properly functioning fourth estate.
    I agree.

    Having worked for governments in Northern Ireland and Jersey, on the one had, and London and Brussels on the other, you certainly notice the difference between the level of scrutiny. In the former, everybody knows everybody else, there's much more of a you-scratch-my-back culture and it's in nobody's interests to blow whistles or upset the boat. While in London a ferocious and ferociously competitive media means that scandals are much more likely to come out.

    That's also a strong argument against devolution, because you need a critical mass of media to get that level of competition and hence scrutiny.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,483

    fitalass said:

    Now that Nicola Sturgeon has said she should have paused the GRR, I wonder if all her fervent supporters, ministers included, feel they were taken for a ride by her when they came out saying Alister Jack was attacking devolution when he actually did pause it!

    https://x.com/holyroodmandy/status/1954792127788888523

    I am being utterly sincere when I say that from the moment I heard that Nicola Sturgeon had the brass neck to call her memoirs 'Frankly' I called it when I said she was literally doing what she has done for years and that was trolling us in plain sight. This is the politician who in the last few years when ever put in front of an inquiry under oath developed amnesia and simple ignored any invites to appear in front of the Scotland committee at Westminster while Pete Wishart totally ignored her arrogant dismal of the committee and didn't criticise her absence.

    About fifteen years ago she and her then husband set out to create the carefully PR created persona that was to be the presidential like figure that was to became bigger than the SNP as a party and the ill informed UK media lapped it up without question and even the most basic journalistic investigation went out the window while only Andrew Neil and less than a handful of other inquiring journalists were prepared to robustly question her about her record and the various SNP Government scandals happening domestically in Scotland under her stewardship.

    This memoir is yet another clearly cynical attempt by Nicola Sturgeon to rehabilitate her post scandal laden political image and attempts to set out a more softer post frontline narrative that she doesn't deserve and simple doesn't exist. But everyone woman who stood up and stuck their head above the parapet to fight her GRR bill will find this news cold comfort. I have been a SCon voter for nearly 40 years, I fought passionately for No in the Indy Ref in 2014, I fought as passionately to Remain in the EU Ref. Both campaigns fought across political party lines where I made so many friends across the politcal divide.

    But a few years ago in Scotland I finally found the political hill I was absolutely finally prepared to die on, and I have met an amazing group of cross party women who felt like I did and it has always been about the hard fought for rights for women and protecting those womens rights to have safe spaces. Nicola Sturgeon told us that our concerns were not valid when it suited her and hounded out other females like Joanna Cherrie, Joan McAlpine and Ash Regan from her own party. She is not and never has been the feminist she has tried to portray herself as when it suits.
    Absolutely this! Post of the month! I still hope to see Sturgeon in jail, and I say this as an SNP member for over 50 years. The Scottish media are very critical of the SNP, but Sturgeon and her acolytes always seem to get a free pass.
    Part of the problem is that the Scottish media is just too timid and lacking in resources to challenge. And the UK media, which actually counts, too ill-informed and afraid of seeming condescending, to challenge too. Frankly, they were in thrall to Nicola and, to be fair, she had a formidable media operation so you had to be very well-informed and confident to take her on, or even hold her to account. The one person who could, Andrew Neil, is, notably, a working-class Scot who is always formidably well-briefed - but there aren't too many media folk like him.

    This is a serious point as a properly functioning democracy requires a properly functioning fourth estate.
    Agreed, except that we used to live a few doors away from Andrew Neil’s brother and sister in law (who was our daughter’s piano teacher). They were a very nice couple, but not working class.
    So Andrew Neil and his family were as working class as the former SNP MP Mairi Black?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,239

    DavidL said:

    On the subject of low alcohol beers etc. can I mention my "life hack" that has me ridiculed and mocked, but it's nevertheless a good idea: use the zero alcohol beer as a substitute for lemondade in a shandy. Half a glass of proper beer, topped up with the zero alcohol stuff. The end product still tastes like beer, but with a lower alcohol content, and not sickly sweet either.
    However, the beer purists will denounce you, youngsters will talk mockingly of "grand-dad's special cocktail" and your spouse will still think that you are drinking too much. I assure you, it's worth trying.

    Mixing bottled and draught beer used to be a thing, partly because cask beer was often poor quality but bottled beer expensive. So mixing the two gave you a reasonable cost/quality ratio.

    When I moved to London 30 years ago, some of the old soaks in Youngs pubs would still drink Ram Spesh, which was half a pint of Special in a pint glass, topped up with a bottle of Ram Rod.
    My grandfather enjoyed a pint of twos - half a mild with half a bitter
    As a student I used to drink snakebite which was a combination of cider and beer. It was weirdly potent.
    Snakebite and black with a top of blackcurrant cordial, snakebite and death with a shot in the top or a chaser
    Diamond white and special brew was the snakebite of choice for hard-core alcys
    Snakebite and blackcurrant was referred to as "Purple Nasty" in my student days.

    I would sometimes have a pint of "Micky Mouse", which was half bitter and half lager. But a pint of mild was my preference.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,298
    fitalass said:

    fitalass said:

    MattW said:

    fitalass said:

    DavidL said:

    On the subject of low alcohol beers etc. can I mention my "life hack" that has me ridiculed and mocked, but it's nevertheless a good idea: use the zero alcohol beer as a substitute for lemondade in a shandy. Half a glass of proper beer, topped up with the zero alcohol stuff. The end product still tastes like beer, but with a lower alcohol content, and not sickly sweet either.
    However, the beer purists will denounce you, youngsters will talk mockingly of "grand-dad's special cocktail" and your spouse will still think that you are drinking too much. I assure you, it's worth trying.

    Mixing bottled and draught beer used to be a thing, partly because cask beer was often poor quality but bottled beer expensive. So mixing the two gave you a reasonable cost/quality ratio.

    When I moved to London 30 years ago, some of the old soaks in Youngs pubs would still drink Ram Spesh, which was half a pint of Special in a pint glass, topped up with a bottle of Ram Rod.
    My grandfather enjoyed a pint of twos - half a mild with half a bitter
    As a student I used to drink snakebite which was a combination of cider and beer. It was weirdly potent.
    OMG, that is a real blast from the past for me as I used to drink a snakebite or two at the start of a night out as a student and I was not or have ever been a cider or a beer drinker but it was an absolute tradition and a very potent start to a good night out drinking. Was this a purely Scottish thing?
    It was around at my university, though I thought it was cider and lager *. And I'd never drink anything (even then) with Gas-o-Lager in it.

    (* "beer" is not lager)
    I have just remembered, it was cider with either beer or lager but we girls used to ask for it with a dash of blackcurrent juice as well!
    Snakebite and black
    Yes, that is what we used to have at the start of a night out, but I would always end up being the only person in my age group drinking a gin and tonic by the end of the night. I just could not get into all the usual spirits with coke or lemonade mixers and almost gave up trying to find a drink mix I liked when someone suggested I try a gin and tonic. I was regarded as a complete oddity for drinking it back then and now gin has exploded in popularity with a crazy amount of various brands.
    There is nothing fashion cannot ruin
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,371

    Scott_xP said:

    DavidL said:

    On the subject of low alcohol beers etc. can I mention my "life hack" that has me ridiculed and mocked, but it's nevertheless a good idea: use the zero alcohol beer as a substitute for lemondade in a shandy. Half a glass of proper beer, topped up with the zero alcohol stuff. The end product still tastes like beer, but with a lower alcohol content, and not sickly sweet either.
    However, the beer purists will denounce you, youngsters will talk mockingly of "grand-dad's special cocktail" and your spouse will still think that you are drinking too much. I assure you, it's worth trying.

    Mixing bottled and draught beer used to be a thing, partly because cask beer was often poor quality but bottled beer expensive. So mixing the two gave you a reasonable cost/quality ratio.

    When I moved to London 30 years ago, some of the old soaks in Youngs pubs would still drink Ram Spesh, which was half a pint of Special in a pint glass, topped up with a bottle of Ram Rod.
    My grandfather enjoyed a pint of twos - half a mild with half a bitter
    As a student I used to drink snakebite which was a combination of cider and beer. It was weirdly potent.
    I recall some pubs in Edinburgh refusing to sell it in pints due to the potency. You could of course buy as many half pints as you could carry...
    Had somebody ask for a Guinness shandy once. They got the raw ingredients to attempt to mix themselves.
    I assume they were taking the piss but its their money
    Black velvet anyone?
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,843
    edited August 11

    fitalass said:

    Now that Nicola Sturgeon has said she should have paused the GRR, I wonder if all her fervent supporters, ministers included, feel they were taken for a ride by her when they came out saying Alister Jack was attacking devolution when he actually did pause it!

    https://x.com/holyroodmandy/status/1954792127788888523

    I am being utterly sincere when I say that from the moment I heard that Nicola Sturgeon had the brass neck to call her memoirs 'Frankly' I called it when I said she was literally doing what she has done for years and that was trolling us in plain sight. This is the politician who in the last few years when ever put in front of an inquiry under oath developed amnesia and simple ignored any invites to appear in front of the Scotland committee at Westminster while Pete Wishart totally ignored her arrogant dismal of the committee and didn't criticise her absence.

    About fifteen years ago she and her then husband set out to create the carefully PR created persona that was to be the presidential like figure that was to became bigger than the SNP as a party and the ill informed UK media lapped it up without question and even the most basic journalistic investigation went out the window while only Andrew Neil and less than a handful of other inquiring journalists were prepared to robustly question her about her record and the various SNP Government scandals happening domestically in Scotland under her stewardship.

    This memoir is yet another clearly cynical attempt by Nicola Sturgeon to rehabilitate her post scandal laden political image and attempts to set out a more softer post frontline narrative that she doesn't deserve and simple doesn't exist. But everyone woman who stood up and stuck their head above the parapet to fight her GRR bill will find this news cold comfort. I have been a SCon voter for nearly 40 years, I fought passionately for No in the Indy Ref in 2014, I fought as passionately to Remain in the EU Ref. Both campaigns fought across political party lines where I made so many friends across the politcal divide.

    But a few years ago in Scotland I finally found the political hill I was absolutely finally prepared to die on, and I have met an amazing group of cross party women who felt like I did and it has always been about the hard fought for rights for women and protecting those womens rights to have safe spaces. Nicola Sturgeon told us that our concerns were not valid when it suited her and hounded out other females like Joanna Cherrie, Joan McAlpine and Ash Regan from her own party. She is not and never has been the feminist she has tried to portray herself as when it suits.
    Absolutely this! Post of the month! I still hope to see Sturgeon in jail, and I say this as an SNP member for over 50 years. The Scottish media are very critical of the SNP, but Sturgeon and her acolytes always seem to get a free pass.
    Part of the problem is that the Scottish media is just too timid and lacking in resources to challenge. And the UK media, which actually counts, too ill-informed and afraid of seeming condescending, to challenge too. Frankly, they were in thrall to Nicola and, to be fair, she had a formidable media operation so you had to be very well-informed and confident to take her on, or even hold her to account. The one person who could, Andrew Neil, is, notably, a working-class Scot who is always formidably well-briefed - but there aren't too many media folk like him.

    This is a serious point as a properly functioning democracy requires a properly functioning fourth estate.
    I find that a difficult analysis gven there is *no* Scottish media, other than branches of the London operations and some local/regional newspaper firms, all formidably Unionist (including the owner of the National which originated and still seems to exist as a second best way of catching the readers lost when the Herald went full fat Union - and is not particularly pro SNP anyway).

    It's certainly worth considering the analysis that these firms aren't willing to do their jobs, but it's not a problem that lies in Scotland. [edit] at least in terms of newspaper ownership.

    Neil himself helped to turn the Scotsman from its previous life as a middle of hte road and fine Scottish newspaper into a DT-like UNionist sheet under the new owners, right down to society pages full of photos of "Mrs James Hamster-Macilroy and Mrs ffotherington-Lee enjoy a glass of wine at the latest art gallery opening".
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,473
    MattW said:

    I've a considerable interest in two of today's topics since both Mrs C and I are regular, if low-level, drinkers and concerned about our driving.
    I quite like some..... eg Ghost Ship Zero but generally find it easier to just not drink as much. I really, really don't want to fall over and damage my spine any more than it's damaged already. Fortunately the local pub has reasonably frequent changes of guest beers, so I'm able to experiment.

    On driving. earlier this year I had a long drawn out discussion with the DVLA which resulted in me surrendering my licence, due to inability to react quickly enough (see above for spinal damage). During the process I had a couple of charged for assessments at a Centre associated with, but not part of, the DVLA. I 'passed' the first, but not the second.

    Mrs C still has a licence and drives about the locality but was concerned about her sight. However the opticians have assured that it';s fine.
    However she fell foul of a speed camera earlier this year and as a result when on a Driving Awareness course, and while there was told about an organisation which will assess older drivers, m at no charge, and comment on their driving. She's now waiting for them to come back to her.

    On the electric mobility scooter point, I've now got one and while I can manage many places locally well enough, including the supermarket and my favourite pub, I can't use the Post Office because the aisles are too narrow and I knock things off the shelves!

    I'd consider asking them fairly gently about the Equality Act 2010 and their responsibility to provide an accessible service.

    In this case, it would perhaps be "reasonable adjustments", which could be for example making the Post Office counter available down a wider aisle, even if that means that other things less universally used are more difficult.

    But these things always need thought and flexibility. Do they know that you, and all the other people like you, can't get in and that it costs them money?
    I'll have to give it another try one of these days. It's quite difficult to get in anyway as the door is very heavy. They have a bell, but sometimes there's only one shop-worker in the place.
  • fitalass said:

    fitalass said:

    MattW said:

    fitalass said:

    DavidL said:

    On the subject of low alcohol beers etc. can I mention my "life hack" that has me ridiculed and mocked, but it's nevertheless a good idea: use the zero alcohol beer as a substitute for lemondade in a shandy. Half a glass of proper beer, topped up with the zero alcohol stuff. The end product still tastes like beer, but with a lower alcohol content, and not sickly sweet either.
    However, the beer purists will denounce you, youngsters will talk mockingly of "grand-dad's special cocktail" and your spouse will still think that you are drinking too much. I assure you, it's worth trying.

    Mixing bottled and draught beer used to be a thing, partly because cask beer was often poor quality but bottled beer expensive. So mixing the two gave you a reasonable cost/quality ratio.

    When I moved to London 30 years ago, some of the old soaks in Youngs pubs would still drink Ram Spesh, which was half a pint of Special in a pint glass, topped up with a bottle of Ram Rod.
    My grandfather enjoyed a pint of twos - half a mild with half a bitter
    As a student I used to drink snakebite which was a combination of cider and beer. It was weirdly potent.
    OMG, that is a real blast from the past for me as I used to drink a snakebite or two at the start of a night out as a student and I was not or have ever been a cider or a beer drinker but it was an absolute tradition and a very potent start to a good night out drinking. Was this a purely Scottish thing?
    It was around at my university, though I thought it was cider and lager *. And I'd never drink anything (even then) with Gas-o-Lager in it.

    (* "beer" is not lager)
    I have just remembered, it was cider with either beer or lager but we girls used to ask for it with a dash of blackcurrent juice as well!
    Snakebite and black
    Yes, that is what we used to have at the start of a night out, but I would always end up being the only person in my age group drinking a gin and tonic by the end of the night. I just could not get into all the usual spirits with coke or lemonade mixers and almost gave up trying to find a drink mix I liked when someone suggested I try a gin and tonic. I was regarded as a complete oddity for drinking it back then and now gin has exploded in popularity with a crazy amount of various brands.
    Of course, the great benefit of all of these designer/atelier/craft gins is that they remind us what a really good bargain a bottle of cheap gin can be.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,298

    DavidL said:

    On the subject of low alcohol beers etc. can I mention my "life hack" that has me ridiculed and mocked, but it's nevertheless a good idea: use the zero alcohol beer as a substitute for lemondade in a shandy. Half a glass of proper beer, topped up with the zero alcohol stuff. The end product still tastes like beer, but with a lower alcohol content, and not sickly sweet either.
    However, the beer purists will denounce you, youngsters will talk mockingly of "grand-dad's special cocktail" and your spouse will still think that you are drinking too much. I assure you, it's worth trying.

    Mixing bottled and draught beer used to be a thing, partly because cask beer was often poor quality but bottled beer expensive. So mixing the two gave you a reasonable cost/quality ratio.

    When I moved to London 30 years ago, some of the old soaks in Youngs pubs would still drink Ram Spesh, which was half a pint of Special in a pint glass, topped up with a bottle of Ram Rod.
    My grandfather enjoyed a pint of twos - half a mild with half a bitter
    As a student I used to drink snakebite which was a combination of cider and beer. It was weirdly potent.
    Snakebite and black with a top of blackcurrant cordial, snakebite and death with a shot in the top or a chaser
    Diamond white and special brew was the snakebite of choice for hard-core alcys
    Snakebite and blackcurrant was referred to as "Purple Nasty" in my student days.

    I would sometimes have a pint of "Micky Mouse", which was half bitter and half lager. But a pint of mild was my preference.
    Mild is a sad omission from most pubs now
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 25,043
    edited August 11
    Battlebus said:

    Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime....

    THE first migrant to be convicted of illegally working for Deliveroo since The Sun’s probe has been fined just £26 after claiming to be in debt.

    JPs gave him a conditional discharge, after hearing Merez was in debt and a first-time offender. He must pay the victim surcharge at the minimum £26.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36232632/first-migrant-convicted-deliveroo-fined/

    That's how our system works. No point in fining people amounts they can't pay as a) they won't be able and b) it can cause knock-on effects like loss of accommodation. It's widely applied to the Great British Public and not just immigrants.

    But if you want to change the whole system ....
    Some sort of community sentence perhaps...maybe delivering food to the local neighbourhood?

    Deportation is probably generally appropriate from a system point of view even if harsh on the individual.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,371

    fitalass said:

    MattW said:

    fitalass said:

    DavidL said:

    On the subject of low alcohol beers etc. can I mention my "life hack" that has me ridiculed and mocked, but it's nevertheless a good idea: use the zero alcohol beer as a substitute for lemondade in a shandy. Half a glass of proper beer, topped up with the zero alcohol stuff. The end product still tastes like beer, but with a lower alcohol content, and not sickly sweet either.
    However, the beer purists will denounce you, youngsters will talk mockingly of "grand-dad's special cocktail" and your spouse will still think that you are drinking too much. I assure you, it's worth trying.

    Mixing bottled and draught beer used to be a thing, partly because cask beer was often poor quality but bottled beer expensive. So mixing the two gave you a reasonable cost/quality ratio.

    When I moved to London 30 years ago, some of the old soaks in Youngs pubs would still drink Ram Spesh, which was half a pint of Special in a pint glass, topped up with a bottle of Ram Rod.
    My grandfather enjoyed a pint of twos - half a mild with half a bitter
    As a student I used to drink snakebite which was a combination of cider and beer. It was weirdly potent.
    OMG, that is a real blast from the past for me as I used to drink a snakebite or two at the start of a night out as a student and I was not or have ever been a cider or a beer drinker but it was an absolute tradition and a very potent start to a good night out drinking. Was this a purely Scottish thing?
    It was around at my university, though I thought it was cider and lager *. And I'd never drink anything (even then) with Gas-o-Lager in it.

    (* "beer" is not lager)
    I have just remembered, it was cider with either beer or lager but we girls used to ask for it with a dash of blackcurrent juice as well!
    Snakebite and black
    A fellow tenant redecorated our toilet a la H block after several blastaways, diamond white and castaway.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,298
    Dopermean said:

    fitalass said:

    MattW said:

    fitalass said:

    DavidL said:

    On the subject of low alcohol beers etc. can I mention my "life hack" that has me ridiculed and mocked, but it's nevertheless a good idea: use the zero alcohol beer as a substitute for lemondade in a shandy. Half a glass of proper beer, topped up with the zero alcohol stuff. The end product still tastes like beer, but with a lower alcohol content, and not sickly sweet either.
    However, the beer purists will denounce you, youngsters will talk mockingly of "grand-dad's special cocktail" and your spouse will still think that you are drinking too much. I assure you, it's worth trying.

    Mixing bottled and draught beer used to be a thing, partly because cask beer was often poor quality but bottled beer expensive. So mixing the two gave you a reasonable cost/quality ratio.

    When I moved to London 30 years ago, some of the old soaks in Youngs pubs would still drink Ram Spesh, which was half a pint of Special in a pint glass, topped up with a bottle of Ram Rod.
    My grandfather enjoyed a pint of twos - half a mild with half a bitter
    As a student I used to drink snakebite which was a combination of cider and beer. It was weirdly potent.
    OMG, that is a real blast from the past for me as I used to drink a snakebite or two at the start of a night out as a student and I was not or have ever been a cider or a beer drinker but it was an absolute tradition and a very potent start to a good night out drinking. Was this a purely Scottish thing?
    It was around at my university, though I thought it was cider and lager *. And I'd never drink anything (even then) with Gas-o-Lager in it.

    (* "beer" is not lager)
    I have just remembered, it was cider with either beer or lager but we girls used to ask for it with a dash of blackcurrent juice as well!
    Snakebite and black
    A fellow tenant redecorated our toilet a la H block after several blastaways, diamond white and castaway.
    Yep. You're not drinking that for the good time glow
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,837
    "Lucy Letby's new expert supporters claim no babies were deliberately harmed. Who should we believe?
    Jonathan Coffey, BBC Panorama"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj0y9673rjno
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,073
    edited August 11

    MattW said:

    I've a considerable interest in two of today's topics since both Mrs C and I are regular, if low-level, drinkers and concerned about our driving.
    I quite like some..... eg Ghost Ship Zero but generally find it easier to just not drink as much. I really, really don't want to fall over and damage my spine any more than it's damaged already. Fortunately the local pub has reasonably frequent changes of guest beers, so I'm able to experiment.

    On driving. earlier this year I had a long drawn out discussion with the DVLA which resulted in me surrendering my licence, due to inability to react quickly enough (see above for spinal damage). During the process I had a couple of charged for assessments at a Centre associated with, but not part of, the DVLA. I 'passed' the first, but not the second.

    Mrs C still has a licence and drives about the locality but was concerned about her sight. However the opticians have assured that it';s fine.
    However she fell foul of a speed camera earlier this year and as a result when on a Driving Awareness course, and while there was told about an organisation which will assess older drivers, m at no charge, and comment on their driving. She's now waiting for them to come back to her.

    On the electric mobility scooter point, I've now got one and while I can manage many places locally well enough, including the supermarket and my favourite pub, I can't use the Post Office because the aisles are too narrow and I knock things off the shelves!

    I'd consider asking them fairly gently about the Equality Act 2010 and their responsibility to provide an accessible service.

    In this case, it would perhaps be "reasonable adjustments", which could be for example making the Post Office counter available down a wider aisle, even if that means that other things less universally used are more difficult.

    But these things always need thought and flexibility. Do they know that you, and all the other people like you, can't get in and that it costs them money?
    I'll have to give it another try one of these days. It's quite difficult to get in anyway as the door is very heavy. They have a bell, but sometimes there's only one shop-worker in the place.
    I know, but the habit of "normies" is that your issues will just not be on the radar (see barriers :smiley: ) and you never know but they might be able to do some adaptations to get the "Zimmers" mob back in for the extra custom. It's not that they don't think; it's often that no one has done the education.

    Zimmers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m0EZO5O2dM

    Trigger Warning: Incoming Simon Cowell from 2012.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,964

    On the subject of low alcohol beers etc. can I mention my "life hack" that has me ridiculed and mocked, but it's nevertheless a good idea: use the zero alcohol beer as a substitute for lemondade in a shandy. Half a glass of proper beer, topped up with the zero alcohol stuff. The end product still tastes like beer, but with a lower alcohol content, and not sickly sweet either.
    However, the beer purists will denounce you, youngsters will talk mockingly of "grand-dad's special cocktail" and your spouse will still think that you are drinking too much. I assure you, it's worth trying.

    Mixing bottled and draught beer used to be a thing, partly because cask beer was often poor quality but bottled beer expensive. So mixing the two gave you a reasonable cost/quality ratio.

    When I moved to London 30 years ago, some of the old soaks in Youngs pubs would still drink Ram Spesh, which was half a pint of Special in a pint glass, topped up with a bottle of Ram Rod.
    There used to be a drink in the North East called a Boilermaker - half a pint of Newcastle Exhibition( aka "Ex") in a pint glass, topped up with half a bottle of Newcastle Brown Ale (aka "Bottle of Dog").

    As you still had the rest of the Brown, you would be obliged to have a second.
    Although Broon Dog was always served with a half pint glass, so you could always request one of those.

    I was at University in Newcastle in the '80s and never heard of a Boilermaker, but then I used to drink McEwan's 80/- or Bass or Strongarm in certain pubs. And Old Peculier in the Mitre (latterly the set for Byker Grove). And Cask Ex when they brought out the cask version. Oh and Samsom or Fed Special (which was far from special but sometimes the only cask beer available). If there was no real ale you could often get Theakston or Ruddles in funny wide-mouthed bottles with ring pulls. That might just have been the University bars though.

    I was told they weren't allowed to sell Snakebite due to local licensing rules, but that might just have been the University bars protecting themselves from copious amounts of projectile vomiting. I did try it once, it seemed the lager and cider flavours cancelled each other out you got something tasteless that got you pissed, great for people who don't actually like the taste of alcoholic beverages.

    Used to go to the Beer Festival when it was still at the Guildhall. On a less positive note I still remember the worst beers I have ever drunk* which were Drybioroughs Heavy and Lorimers Best Scotch.

    * other than beers with a fault, had an Italian IPA last week that smelled of wet dog and I'm quite prepared to believe tasted of one too
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,265
    fitalass said:

    fitalass said:

    Now that Nicola Sturgeon has said she should have paused the GRR, I wonder if all her fervent supporters, ministers included, feel they were taken for a ride by her when they came out saying Alister Jack was attacking devolution when he actually did pause it!

    https://x.com/holyroodmandy/status/1954792127788888523

    I am being utterly sincere when I say that from the moment I heard that Nicola Sturgeon had the brass neck to call her memoirs 'Frankly' I called it when I said she was literally doing what she has done for years and that was trolling us in plain sight. This is the politician who in the last few years when ever put in front of an inquiry under oath developed amnesia and simple ignored any invites to appear in front of the Scotland committee at Westminster while Pete Wishart totally ignored her arrogant dismal of the committee and didn't criticise her absence.

    About fifteen years ago she and her then husband set out to create the carefully PR created persona that was to be the presidential like figure that was to became bigger than the SNP as a party and the ill informed UK media lapped it up without question and even the most basic journalistic investigation went out the window while only Andrew Neil and less than a handful of other inquiring journalists were prepared to robustly question her about her record and the various SNP Government scandals happening domestically in Scotland under her stewardship.

    This memoir is yet another clearly cynical attempt by Nicola Sturgeon to rehabilitate her post scandal laden political image and attempts to set out a more softer post frontline narrative that she doesn't deserve and simple doesn't exist. But everyone woman who stood up and stuck their head above the parapet to fight her GRR bill will find this news cold comfort. I have been a SCon voter for nearly 40 years, I fought passionately for No in the Indy Ref in 2014, I fought as passionately to Remain in the EU Ref. Both campaigns fought across political party lines where I made so many friends across the politcal divide.

    But a few years ago in Scotland I finally found the political hill I was absolutely finally prepared to die on, and I have met an amazing group of cross party women who felt like I did and it has always been about the hard fought for rights for women and protecting those womens rights to have safe spaces. Nicola Sturgeon told us that our concerns were not valid when it suited her and hounded out other females like Joanna Cherrie, Joan McAlpine and Ash Regan from her own party. She is not and never has been the feminist she has tried to portray herself as when it suits.
    Absolutely this! Post of the month! I still hope to see Sturgeon in jail, and I say this as an SNP member for over 50 years. The Scottish media are very critical of the SNP, but Sturgeon and her acolytes always seem to get a free pass.
    Part of the problem is that the Scottish media is just too timid and lacking in resources to challenge. And the UK media, which actually counts, too ill-informed and afraid of seeming condescending, to challenge too. Frankly, they were in thrall to Nicola and, to be fair, she had a formidable media operation so you had to be very well-informed and confident to take her on, or even hold her to account. The one person who could, Andrew Neil, is, notably, a working-class Scot who is always formidably well-briefed - but there aren't too many media folk like him.

    This is a serious point as a properly functioning democracy requires a properly functioning fourth estate.
    Agreed, except that we used to live a few doors away from Andrew Neil’s brother and sister in law (who was our daughter’s piano teacher). They were a very nice couple, but not working class.
    So Andrew Neil and his family were as working class as the former SNP MP Mairi Black?
    I don’t know. I’ve never met Mhairi Black.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,265

    DavidL said:

    On the subject of low alcohol beers etc. can I mention my "life hack" that has me ridiculed and mocked, but it's nevertheless a good idea: use the zero alcohol beer as a substitute for lemondade in a shandy. Half a glass of proper beer, topped up with the zero alcohol stuff. The end product still tastes like beer, but with a lower alcohol content, and not sickly sweet either.
    However, the beer purists will denounce you, youngsters will talk mockingly of "grand-dad's special cocktail" and your spouse will still think that you are drinking too much. I assure you, it's worth trying.

    Mixing bottled and draught beer used to be a thing, partly because cask beer was often poor quality but bottled beer expensive. So mixing the two gave you a reasonable cost/quality ratio.

    When I moved to London 30 years ago, some of the old soaks in Youngs pubs would still drink Ram Spesh, which was half a pint of Special in a pint glass, topped up with a bottle of Ram Rod.
    My grandfather enjoyed a pint of twos - half a mild with half a bitter
    As a student I used to drink snakebite which was a combination of cider and beer. It was weirdly potent.
    Snakebite and black with a top of blackcurrant cordial, snakebite and death with a shot in the top or a chaser
    Diamond white and special brew was the snakebite of choice for hard-core alcys
    Snakebite and blackcurrant was referred to as "Purple Nasty" in my student days.

    I would sometimes have a pint of "Micky Mouse", which was half bitter and half lager. But a pint of mild was my preference.
    Mild is a sad omission from most pubs now
    Yes, as is its Scottish equivalent, Light (which is equivalent to Dark Mild). Both went out of fashion with the decline of heavy industry.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,371
    Carnyx said:

    algarkirk said:

    The new drink driving limit: Sponsored by Guinness Zero.

    By all accounts, alcohol-free booze has come on leaps and bounds so the designated driver no longer has to sip too-sweet soft drinks.
    Low alcohol and alcohol free beer is now my drink of choice at pubs and even in the evening: I can recommend Brewdog's "Hazy AF" and the rest of their AF range.

    I haven't given up drinking, and haven't yet found a good low alcohol wine (and the concept of low alcohol spirits strikes me as bizarre), but for beer they taste good enough for me, and I can drink them and drive.
    Beer/lager is the only drink I have found where 0% can in any sense replicate the taste. I like the stuff like Gordons 0% as well, but gin it isn't. 0% wines - avoid.

    Why do 0% lagers work and 0% wine doesn't? What's going on with the chemistry here?
    Dunno, but just think of it as the small beer which they used to use routinely for drinks everyday rather than water (bug-laden) and tea/coffee (too expensive, also adulterated in hindsight).
    I find the initial taste of 0% beer can be OK but they lack body and mouth feel.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,265
    Carnyx said:

    fitalass said:

    Now that Nicola Sturgeon has said she should have paused the GRR, I wonder if all her fervent supporters, ministers included, feel they were taken for a ride by her when they came out saying Alister Jack was attacking devolution when he actually did pause it!

    https://x.com/holyroodmandy/status/1954792127788888523

    I am being utterly sincere when I say that from the moment I heard that Nicola Sturgeon had the brass neck to call her memoirs 'Frankly' I called it when I said she was literally doing what she has done for years and that was trolling us in plain sight. This is the politician who in the last few years when ever put in front of an inquiry under oath developed amnesia and simple ignored any invites to appear in front of the Scotland committee at Westminster while Pete Wishart totally ignored her arrogant dismal of the committee and didn't criticise her absence.

    About fifteen years ago she and her then husband set out to create the carefully PR created persona that was to be the presidential like figure that was to became bigger than the SNP as a party and the ill informed UK media lapped it up without question and even the most basic journalistic investigation went out the window while only Andrew Neil and less than a handful of other inquiring journalists were prepared to robustly question her about her record and the various SNP Government scandals happening domestically in Scotland under her stewardship.

    This memoir is yet another clearly cynical attempt by Nicola Sturgeon to rehabilitate her post scandal laden political image and attempts to set out a more softer post frontline narrative that she doesn't deserve and simple doesn't exist. But everyone woman who stood up and stuck their head above the parapet to fight her GRR bill will find this news cold comfort. I have been a SCon voter for nearly 40 years, I fought passionately for No in the Indy Ref in 2014, I fought as passionately to Remain in the EU Ref. Both campaigns fought across political party lines where I made so many friends across the politcal divide.

    But a few years ago in Scotland I finally found the political hill I was absolutely finally prepared to die on, and I have met an amazing group of cross party women who felt like I did and it has always been about the hard fought for rights for women and protecting those womens rights to have safe spaces. Nicola Sturgeon told us that our concerns were not valid when it suited her and hounded out other females like Joanna Cherrie, Joan McAlpine and Ash Regan from her own party. She is not and never has been the feminist she has tried to portray herself as when it suits.
    Absolutely this! Post of the month! I still hope to see Sturgeon in jail, and I say this as an SNP member for over 50 years. The Scottish media are very critical of the SNP, but Sturgeon and her acolytes always seem to get a free pass.
    Part of the problem is that the Scottish media is just too timid and lacking in resources to challenge. And the UK media, which actually counts, too ill-informed and afraid of seeming condescending, to challenge too. Frankly, they were in thrall to Nicola and, to be fair, she had a formidable media operation so you had to be very well-informed and confident to take her on, or even hold her to account. The one person who could, Andrew Neil, is, notably, a working-class Scot who is always formidably well-briefed - but there aren't too many media folk like him.

    This is a serious point as a properly functioning democracy requires a properly functioning fourth estate.
    I find that a difficult analysis gven there is *no* Scottish media, other than branches of the London operations and some local/regional newspaper firms, all formidably Unionist (including the owner of the National which originated and still seems to exist as a second best way of catching the readers lost when the Herald went full fat Union - and is not particularly pro SNP anyway).

    It's certainly worth considering the analysis that these firms aren't willing to do their jobs, but it's not a problem that lies in Scotland. [edit] at least in terms of newspaper ownership.

    Neil himself helped to turn the Scotsman from its previous life as a middle of hte road and fine Scottish newspaper into a DT-like UNionist sheet under the new owners, right down to society pages full of photos of "Mrs James Hamster-Macilroy and Mrs ffotherington-Lee enjoy a glass of wine at the latest art gallery opening".
    I’m old enough to remember when The Scotsman supported the Liberal Party. I used to buy it then, as the Glasgow Herald supported Labour.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,964
    fitalass said:

    fitalass said:

    MattW said:

    fitalass said:

    DavidL said:

    On the subject of low alcohol beers etc. can I mention my "life hack" that has me ridiculed and mocked, but it's nevertheless a good idea: use the zero alcohol beer as a substitute for lemondade in a shandy. Half a glass of proper beer, topped up with the zero alcohol stuff. The end product still tastes like beer, but with a lower alcohol content, and not sickly sweet either.
    However, the beer purists will denounce you, youngsters will talk mockingly of "grand-dad's special cocktail" and your spouse will still think that you are drinking too much. I assure you, it's worth trying.

    Mixing bottled and draught beer used to be a thing, partly because cask beer was often poor quality but bottled beer expensive. So mixing the two gave you a reasonable cost/quality ratio.

    When I moved to London 30 years ago, some of the old soaks in Youngs pubs would still drink Ram Spesh, which was half a pint of Special in a pint glass, topped up with a bottle of Ram Rod.
    My grandfather enjoyed a pint of twos - half a mild with half a bitter
    As a student I used to drink snakebite which was a combination of cider and beer. It was weirdly potent.
    OMG, that is a real blast from the past for me as I used to drink a snakebite or two at the start of a night out as a student and I was not or have ever been a cider or a beer drinker but it was an absolute tradition and a very potent start to a good night out drinking. Was this a purely Scottish thing?
    It was around at my university, though I thought it was cider and lager *. And I'd never drink anything (even then) with Gas-o-Lager in it.

    (* "beer" is not lager)
    I have just remembered, it was cider with either beer or lager but we girls used to ask for it with a dash of blackcurrent juice as well!
    Snakebite and black
    Yes, that is what we used to have at the start of a night out, but I would always end up being the only person in my age group drinking a gin and tonic by the end of the night. I just could not get into all the usual spirits with coke or lemonade mixers and almost gave up trying to find a drink mix I liked when someone suggested I try a gin and tonic. I was regarded as a complete oddity for drinking it back then and now gin has exploded in popularity with a crazy amount of various brands.
    I always used to find G&T too sweet (and warm, served as my parents did), but modern premium tonic and modern botanical-forward gin, with lots of ice, has transformed the experience.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,326
    Scott_xP said:

    DavidL said:

    On the subject of low alcohol beers etc. can I mention my "life hack" that has me ridiculed and mocked, but it's nevertheless a good idea: use the zero alcohol beer as a substitute for lemondade in a shandy. Half a glass of proper beer, topped up with the zero alcohol stuff. The end product still tastes like beer, but with a lower alcohol content, and not sickly sweet either.
    However, the beer purists will denounce you, youngsters will talk mockingly of "grand-dad's special cocktail" and your spouse will still think that you are drinking too much. I assure you, it's worth trying.

    Mixing bottled and draught beer used to be a thing, partly because cask beer was often poor quality but bottled beer expensive. So mixing the two gave you a reasonable cost/quality ratio.

    When I moved to London 30 years ago, some of the old soaks in Youngs pubs would still drink Ram Spesh, which was half a pint of Special in a pint glass, topped up with a bottle of Ram Rod.
    My grandfather enjoyed a pint of twos - half a mild with half a bitter
    As a student I used to drink snakebite which was a combination of cider and beer. It was weirdly potent.
    I recall some pubs in Edinburgh refusing to sell it in pints due to the potency. You could of course buy as many half pints as you could carry...
    I got into gin and tonic, when a student.

    On Friday nights, getting to the bar was often slow. So I hit on the idea of a double double - two double gin and tonics in a pint glass.

    The bar staff were fine with the idea - but it was pointed out that the license banned selling more than a triple.

    So they would give me two double tonics in separate glasses, and empty pint glass with some ice and slice, and two bottles of tonic. Which I would solemnly integrate at the bar, in front of them.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,483

    fitalass said:

    fitalass said:

    Now that Nicola Sturgeon has said she should have paused the GRR, I wonder if all her fervent supporters, ministers included, feel they were taken for a ride by her when they came out saying Alister Jack was attacking devolution when he actually did pause it!

    https://x.com/holyroodmandy/status/1954792127788888523

    I am being utterly sincere when I say that from the moment I heard that Nicola Sturgeon had the brass neck to call her memoirs 'Frankly' I called it when I said she was literally doing what she has done for years and that was trolling us in plain sight. This is the politician who in the last few years when ever put in front of an inquiry under oath developed amnesia and simple ignored any invites to appear in front of the Scotland committee at Westminster while Pete Wishart totally ignored her arrogant dismal of the committee and didn't criticise her absence.

    About fifteen years ago she and her then husband set out to create the carefully PR created persona that was to be the presidential like figure that was to became bigger than the SNP as a party and the ill informed UK media lapped it up without question and even the most basic journalistic investigation went out the window while only Andrew Neil and less than a handful of other inquiring journalists were prepared to robustly question her about her record and the various SNP Government scandals happening domestically in Scotland under her stewardship.

    This memoir is yet another clearly cynical attempt by Nicola Sturgeon to rehabilitate her post scandal laden political image and attempts to set out a more softer post frontline narrative that she doesn't deserve and simple doesn't exist. But everyone woman who stood up and stuck their head above the parapet to fight her GRR bill will find this news cold comfort. I have been a SCon voter for nearly 40 years, I fought passionately for No in the Indy Ref in 2014, I fought as passionately to Remain in the EU Ref. Both campaigns fought across political party lines where I made so many friends across the politcal divide.

    But a few years ago in Scotland I finally found the political hill I was absolutely finally prepared to die on, and I have met an amazing group of cross party women who felt like I did and it has always been about the hard fought for rights for women and protecting those womens rights to have safe spaces. Nicola Sturgeon told us that our concerns were not valid when it suited her and hounded out other females like Joanna Cherrie, Joan McAlpine and Ash Regan from her own party. She is not and never has been the feminist she has tried to portray herself as when it suits.
    Absolutely this! Post of the month! I still hope to see Sturgeon in jail, and I say this as an SNP member for over 50 years. The Scottish media are very critical of the SNP, but Sturgeon and her acolytes always seem to get a free pass.
    Part of the problem is that the Scottish media is just too timid and lacking in resources to challenge. And the UK media, which actually counts, too ill-informed and afraid of seeming condescending, to challenge too. Frankly, they were in thrall to Nicola and, to be fair, she had a formidable media operation so you had to be very well-informed and confident to take her on, or even hold her to account. The one person who could, Andrew Neil, is, notably, a working-class Scot who is always formidably well-briefed - but there aren't too many media folk like him.

    This is a serious point as a properly functioning democracy requires a properly functioning fourth estate.
    Agreed, except that we used to live a few doors away from Andrew Neil’s brother and sister in law (who was our daughter’s piano teacher). They were a very nice couple, but not working class.
    So Andrew Neil and his family were as working class as the former SNP MP Mairi Black?
    I don’t know. I’ve never met Mhairi Black.
    She didn't come from a working class background.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,964
    Dopermean said:

    Carnyx said:

    algarkirk said:

    The new drink driving limit: Sponsored by Guinness Zero.

    By all accounts, alcohol-free booze has come on leaps and bounds so the designated driver no longer has to sip too-sweet soft drinks.
    Low alcohol and alcohol free beer is now my drink of choice at pubs and even in the evening: I can recommend Brewdog's "Hazy AF" and the rest of their AF range.

    I haven't given up drinking, and haven't yet found a good low alcohol wine (and the concept of low alcohol spirits strikes me as bizarre), but for beer they taste good enough for me, and I can drink them and drive.
    Beer/lager is the only drink I have found where 0% can in any sense replicate the taste. I like the stuff like Gordons 0% as well, but gin it isn't. 0% wines - avoid.

    Why do 0% lagers work and 0% wine doesn't? What's going on with the chemistry here?
    Dunno, but just think of it as the small beer which they used to use routinely for drinks everyday rather than water (bug-laden) and tea/coffee (too expensive, also adulterated in hindsight).
    I find the initial taste of 0% beer can be OK but they lack body and mouth feel.
    Apparently they have now developed yeast that can ferment out all the sugar in the wort, while only making 0.5% alcohol, so you don't need any sort of industrial process to remove it, and it lowers to bar for being able to produce low alcohol beer. You still have problems with body and flavour (as alcohol carries flavour) but some tinkering with the malt and hops should sort that out.

    If you are only going to have one alcoholic beer, though, you should have it at the end of the evening, as if you have an LA beer after a real one you really notice the difference
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,595
    .

    While we are doing tightening the law on driving. How long can you ride around on a moped with L plates? It seems like some people are doing it forever.

    And this is part of the duality of the law that upsets people so much.

    On the one hand you have people taking their tests, listening to medical advice, getting insurance, maintaining the car carefully.

    Then your mirror (carefully adjusted) gets wacked by an eternal L-plater on a scooter, doing delivery. He's probably uninsured.

    You see similar in building - the bandit sites (visibly breaking the law) are rarely touched. Run a decent site and you actually get inspected.
    Some of which is to do with austerity particularly hitting council budgets.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,382

    fitalass said:

    Now that Nicola Sturgeon has said she should have paused the GRR, I wonder if all her fervent supporters, ministers included, feel they were taken for a ride by her when they came out saying Alister Jack was attacking devolution when he actually did pause it!

    https://x.com/holyroodmandy/status/1954792127788888523

    I am being utterly sincere when I say that from the moment I heard that Nicola Sturgeon had the brass neck to call her memoirs 'Frankly' I called it when I said she was literally doing what she has done for years and that was trolling us in plain sight. This is the politician who in the last few years when ever put in front of an inquiry under oath developed amnesia and simple ignored any invites to appear in front of the Scotland committee at Westminster while Pete Wishart totally ignored her arrogant dismal of the committee and didn't criticise her absence.

    About fifteen years ago she and her then husband set out to create the carefully PR created persona that was to be the presidential like figure that was to became bigger than the SNP as a party and the ill informed UK media lapped it up without question and even the most basic journalistic investigation went out the window while only Andrew Neil and less than a handful of other inquiring journalists were prepared to robustly question her about her record and the various SNP Government scandals happening domestically in Scotland under her stewardship.

    This memoir is yet another clearly cynical attempt by Nicola Sturgeon to rehabilitate her post scandal laden political image and attempts to set out a more softer post frontline narrative that she doesn't deserve and simple doesn't exist. But everyone woman who stood up and stuck their head above the parapet to fight her GRR bill will find this news cold comfort. I have been a SCon voter for nearly 40 years, I fought passionately for No in the Indy Ref in 2014, I fought as passionately to Remain in the EU Ref. Both campaigns fought across political party lines where I made so many friends across the politcal divide.

    But a few years ago in Scotland I finally found the political hill I was absolutely finally prepared to die on, and I have met an amazing group of cross party women who felt like I did and it has always been about the hard fought for rights for women and protecting those womens rights to have safe spaces. Nicola Sturgeon told us that our concerns were not valid when it suited her and hounded out other females like Joanna Cherrie, Joan McAlpine and Ash Regan from her own party. She is not and never has been the feminist she has tried to portray herself as when it suits.
    Absolutely this! Post of the month! I still hope to see Sturgeon in jail, and I say this as an SNP member for over 50 years. The Scottish media are very critical of the SNP, but Sturgeon and her acolytes always seem to get a free pass.
    Part of the problem is that the Scottish media is just too timid and lacking in resources to challenge. And the UK media, which actually counts, too ill-informed and afraid of seeming condescending, to challenge too. Frankly, they were in thrall to Nicola and, to be fair, she had a formidable media operation so you had to be very well-informed and confident to take her on, or even hold her to account. The one person who could, Andrew Neil, is, notably, a working-class Scot who is always formidably well-briefed - but there aren't too many media folk like him.

    This is a serious point as a properly functioning democracy requires a properly functioning fourth estate.
    Hardly unique to Scotland. Most of our local media are hollowed-out clickbait machines. And the national media mostly aren't that much better. Meanwhile London apparently can't support a daily newspaper at all. And the bottom line is that the reason for that is that we're collectively not prepared to pay for anything better.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,473

    fitalass said:

    fitalass said:

    MattW said:

    fitalass said:

    DavidL said:

    On the subject of low alcohol beers etc. can I mention my "life hack" that has me ridiculed and mocked, but it's nevertheless a good idea: use the zero alcohol beer as a substitute for lemondade in a shandy. Half a glass of proper beer, topped up with the zero alcohol stuff. The end product still tastes like beer, but with a lower alcohol content, and not sickly sweet either.
    However, the beer purists will denounce you, youngsters will talk mockingly of "grand-dad's special cocktail" and your spouse will still think that you are drinking too much. I assure you, it's worth trying.

    Mixing bottled and draught beer used to be a thing, partly because cask beer was often poor quality but bottled beer expensive. So mixing the two gave you a reasonable cost/quality ratio.

    When I moved to London 30 years ago, some of the old soaks in Youngs pubs would still drink Ram Spesh, which was half a pint of Special in a pint glass, topped up with a bottle of Ram Rod.
    My grandfather enjoyed a pint of twos - half a mild with half a bitter
    As a student I used to drink snakebite which was a combination of cider and beer. It was weirdly potent.
    OMG, that is a real blast from the past for me as I used to drink a snakebite or two at the start of a night out as a student and I was not or have ever been a cider or a beer drinker but it was an absolute tradition and a very potent start to a good night out drinking. Was this a purely Scottish thing?
    It was around at my university, though I thought it was cider and lager *. And I'd never drink anything (even then) with Gas-o-Lager in it.

    (* "beer" is not lager)
    I have just remembered, it was cider with either beer or lager but we girls used to ask for it with a dash of blackcurrent juice as well!
    Snakebite and black
    Yes, that is what we used to have at the start of a night out, but I would always end up being the only person in my age group drinking a gin and tonic by the end of the night. I just could not get into all the usual spirits with coke or lemonade mixers and almost gave up trying to find a drink mix I liked when someone suggested I try a gin and tonic. I was regarded as a complete oddity for drinking it back then and now gin has exploded in popularity with a crazy amount of various brands.
    I always used to find G&T too sweet (and warm, served as my parents did), but modern premium tonic and modern botanical-forward gin, with lots of ice, has transformed the experience.
    Whatever happened to gin and bitter lemon?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,818
    Andy_JS said:

    "I've spoken to judges about how and why IPP sentences were so widely used for petty crimes, like stealing a bike or phone, and I have been told that it's because it was easier for a judge to use it than it was for them to explain why they weren't going to.

    In 2012 the law was abolished. By that time more than 8,000 people had been given an IPP sentence.

    Campaigners say there are still almost 2,500 stuck behind bars. The former Supreme Court Judge Justice Lord Brown called it "the greatest single stain on our criminal justice system"."

    https://www.itv.com/news/2025-08-07/crushed-by-a-flawed-system-more-than-2000-still-held-under-defunct-uk-law

    That might be almost 2500 bed-blockers. Aren't they supposed to be short of prison places?
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,344
    edited August 11
    fitalass said:

    fitalass said:

    fitalass said:

    Now that Nicola Sturgeon has said she should have paused the GRR, I wonder if all her fervent supporters, ministers included, feel they were taken for a ride by her when they came out saying Alister Jack was attacking devolution when he actually did pause it!

    https://x.com/holyroodmandy/status/1954792127788888523

    I am being utterly sincere when I say that from the moment I heard that Nicola Sturgeon had the brass neck to call her memoirs 'Frankly' I called it when I said she was literally doing what she has done for years and that was trolling us in plain sight. This is the politician who in the last few years when ever put in front of an inquiry under oath developed amnesia and simple ignored any invites to appear in front of the Scotland committee at Westminster while Pete Wishart totally ignored her arrogant dismal of the committee and didn't criticise her absence.

    About fifteen years ago she and her then husband set out to create the carefully PR created persona that was to be the presidential like figure that was to became bigger than the SNP as a party and the ill informed UK media lapped it up without question and even the most basic journalistic investigation went out the window while only Andrew Neil and less than a handful of other inquiring journalists were prepared to robustly question her about her record and the various SNP Government scandals happening domestically in Scotland under her stewardship.

    This memoir is yet another clearly cynical attempt by Nicola Sturgeon to rehabilitate her post scandal laden political image and attempts to set out a more softer post frontline narrative that she doesn't deserve and simple doesn't exist. But everyone woman who stood up and stuck their head above the parapet to fight her GRR bill will find this news cold comfort. I have been a SCon voter for nearly 40 years, I fought passionately for No in the Indy Ref in 2014, I fought as passionately to Remain in the EU Ref. Both campaigns fought across political party lines where I made so many friends across the politcal divide.

    But a few years ago in Scotland I finally found the political hill I was absolutely finally prepared to die on, and I have met an amazing group of cross party women who felt like I did and it has always been about the hard fought for rights for women and protecting those womens rights to have safe spaces. Nicola Sturgeon told us that our concerns were not valid when it suited her and hounded out other females like Joanna Cherrie, Joan McAlpine and Ash Regan from her own party. She is not and never has been the feminist she has tried to portray herself as when it suits.
    Absolutely this! Post of the month! I still hope to see Sturgeon in jail, and I say this as an SNP member for over 50 years. The Scottish media are very critical of the SNP, but Sturgeon and her acolytes always seem to get a free pass.
    Part of the problem is that the Scottish media is just too timid and lacking in resources to challenge. And the UK media, which actually counts, too ill-informed and afraid of seeming condescending, to challenge too. Frankly, they were in thrall to Nicola and, to be fair, she had a formidable media operation so you had to be very well-informed and confident to take her on, or even hold her to account. The one person who could, Andrew Neil, is, notably, a working-class Scot who is always formidably well-briefed - but there aren't too many media folk like him.

    This is a serious point as a properly functioning democracy requires a properly functioning fourth estate.
    Agreed, except that we used to live a few doors away from Andrew Neil’s brother and sister in law (who was our daughter’s piano teacher). They were a very nice couple, but not working class.
    So Andrew Neil and his family were as working class as the former SNP MP Mairi Black?
    I don’t know. I’ve never met Mhairi Black.
    She didn't come from a working class background.
    More detail please. Her school catchment area includes some pretty dodgy parts of Glasgow unless Ibrox has had a makeover.

    Liz Truss would have been just along the road a few miles at the same time.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,818

    Hopefully the art of 0% drinks will get so refined they can finally bring out a 0% beer that mimics drunkeness when consumed
    Fingers crossed

    Night Nurse cough linctus?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,326
    AnneJGP said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "I've spoken to judges about how and why IPP sentences were so widely used for petty crimes, like stealing a bike or phone, and I have been told that it's because it was easier for a judge to use it than it was for them to explain why they weren't going to.

    In 2012 the law was abolished. By that time more than 8,000 people had been given an IPP sentence.

    Campaigners say there are still almost 2,500 stuck behind bars. The former Supreme Court Judge Justice Lord Brown called it "the greatest single stain on our criminal justice system"."

    https://www.itv.com/news/2025-08-07/crushed-by-a-flawed-system-more-than-2000-still-held-under-defunct-uk-law

    That might be almost 2500 bed-blockers. Aren't they supposed to be short of prison places?
    And to complete the circle - the sentences were introduced to warehouse the repeat offenders of low level crime. Like phone theft, bag snatching and bike theft. Very often these are committed by prolific individuals - they will commit multiple crimes per day. So the idea was to lock them up until the brilliant, extensively resourced rehabilitation schemes in UK prisons had converted them from their lives of petty crime.

    Can anyone spot the flaw here?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,595
    Andy_JS said:

    "Lucy Letby's new expert supporters claim no babies were deliberately harmed. Who should we believe?
    Jonathan Coffey, BBC Panorama"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj0y9673rjno

    It's a good read. Coffey has followed the case for a long time, but manages to remain somewhat agnostic as to Letby's guilt. He lays out evidence and counter-argument without favour.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,997
    I’m afraid there is no choice any more

    The time has come for tough but brave decisions, given the abyss that yawns before us

    Yes. I’m going to paint my entire living room in Little Greene’s Hale Navy
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,118

    Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime....

    THE first migrant to be convicted of illegally working for Deliveroo since The Sun’s probe has been fined just £26 after claiming to be in debt.

    JPs gave him a conditional discharge, after hearing Merez was in debt and a first-time offender. He must pay the victim surcharge at the minimum £26.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36232632/first-migrant-convicted-deliveroo-fined/

    If you stand back a moment and think, the criminalisation of the wish to do honest work is odd. When the real problem is that group of people who have no intention of working honestly at all, but live on benefits, topped up in some cases by drug dealing and other small scale crime.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,595

    On the subject of low alcohol beers etc. can I mention my "life hack" that has me ridiculed and mocked, but it's nevertheless a good idea: use the zero alcohol beer as a substitute for lemondade in a shandy. Half a glass of proper beer, topped up with the zero alcohol stuff. The end product still tastes like beer, but with a lower alcohol content, and not sickly sweet either.
    However, the beer purists will denounce you, youngsters will talk mockingly of "grand-dad's special cocktail" and your spouse will still think that you are drinking too much. I assure you, it's worth trying.

    Mixing bottled and draught beer used to be a thing, partly because cask beer was often poor quality but bottled beer expensive. So mixing the two gave you a reasonable cost/quality ratio.

    When I moved to London 30 years ago, some of the old soaks in Youngs pubs would still drink Ram Spesh, which was half a pint of Special in a pint glass, topped up with a bottle of Ram Rod.
    There used to be a drink in the North East called a Boilermaker - half a pint of Newcastle Exhibition( aka "Ex") in a pint glass, topped up with half a bottle of Newcastle Brown Ale (aka "Bottle of Dog").

    As you still had the rest of the Brown, you would be obliged to have a second.
    Although Broon Dog was always served with a half pint glass, so you could always request one of those.

    I was at University in Newcastle in the '80s and never heard of a Boilermaker, but then I used to drink McEwan's 80/- or Bass or Strongarm in certain pubs. And Old Peculier in the Mitre (latterly the set for Byker Grove). And Cask Ex when they brought out the cask version. Oh and Samsom or Fed Special (which was far from special but sometimes the only cask beer available). If there was no real ale you could often get Theakston or Ruddles in funny wide-mouthed bottles with ring pulls. That might just have been the University bars though.

    I was told they weren't allowed to sell Snakebite due to local licensing rules, but that might just have been the University bars protecting themselves from copious amounts of projectile vomiting. I did try it once, it seemed the lager and cider flavours cancelled each other out you got something tasteless that got you pissed, great for people who don't actually like the taste of alcoholic beverages.

    Used to go to the Beer Festival when it was still at the Guildhall. On a less positive note I still remember the worst beers I have ever drunk* which were Drybioroughs Heavy and Lorimers Best Scotch.

    * other than beers with a fault, had an Italian IPA last week that smelled of wet dog and I'm quite prepared to believe tasted of one too
    If you want to get students who don't like the taste of alcohol pissed -- which you shouldn't and is immoral -- then caipiroska is deadly. Vodka, sugar, lemon juice, ice. It's cold, sweet and tart, and you do not notice how alcoholic it is.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,652

    fitalass said:

    Now that Nicola Sturgeon has said she should have paused the GRR, I wonder if all her fervent supporters, ministers included, feel they were taken for a ride by her when they came out saying Alister Jack was attacking devolution when he actually did pause it!

    https://x.com/holyroodmandy/status/1954792127788888523

    I am being utterly sincere when I say that from the moment I heard that Nicola Sturgeon had the brass neck to call her memoirs 'Frankly' I called it when I said she was literally doing what she has done for years and that was trolling us in plain sight. This is the politician who in the last few years when ever put in front of an inquiry under oath developed amnesia and simple ignored any invites to appear in front of the Scotland committee at Westminster while Pete Wishart totally ignored her arrogant dismal of the committee and didn't criticise her absence.

    About fifteen years ago she and her then husband set out to create the carefully PR created persona that was to be the presidential like figure that was to became bigger than the SNP as a party and the ill informed UK media lapped it up without question and even the most basic journalistic investigation went out the window while only Andrew Neil and less than a handful of other inquiring journalists were prepared to robustly question her about her record and the various SNP Government scandals happening domestically in Scotland under her stewardship.

    This memoir is yet another clearly cynical attempt by Nicola Sturgeon to rehabilitate her post scandal laden political image and attempts to set out a more softer post frontline narrative that she doesn't deserve and simple doesn't exist. But everyone woman who stood up and stuck their head above the parapet to fight her GRR bill will find this news cold comfort. I have been a SCon voter for nearly 40 years, I fought passionately for No in the Indy Ref in 2014, I fought as passionately to Remain in the EU Ref. Both campaigns fought across political party lines where I made so many friends across the politcal divide.

    But a few years ago in Scotland I finally found the political hill I was absolutely finally prepared to die on, and I have met an amazing group of cross party women who felt like I did and it has always been about the hard fought for rights for women and protecting those womens rights to have safe spaces. Nicola Sturgeon told us that our concerns were not valid when it suited her and hounded out other females like Joanna Cherrie, Joan McAlpine and Ash Regan from her own party. She is not and never has been the feminist she has tried to portray herself as when it suits.
    Absolutely this! Post of the month! I still hope to see Sturgeon in jail, and I say this as an SNP member for over 50 years. The Scottish media are very critical of the SNP, but Sturgeon and her acolytes always seem to get a free pass.
    Part of the problem is that the Scottish media is just too timid and lacking in resources to challenge. And the UK media, which actually counts, too ill-informed and afraid of seeming condescending, to challenge too. Frankly, they were in thrall to Nicola and, to be fair, she had a formidable media operation so you had to be very well-informed and confident to take her on, or even hold her to account. The one person who could, Andrew Neil, is, notably, a working-class Scot who is always formidably well-briefed - but there aren't too many media folk like him.

    This is a serious point as a properly functioning democracy requires a properly functioning fourth estate.
    Yes, the British Broadcasting Corporation, Mail, Express, Sun, Times, Tele (hardly worth mentioning the Scotsman and Herald) not to mention the media operation of HMG are notably lily livered towards Indy and the Nats.
    Shades of all-conquering Israel (courtesy of Yahweh & US inc) whinging about how a few blokes in tunnels have controlled the media narrative and turned the world against them.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,799
    Andy_JS said:

    "Lucy Letby's new expert supporters claim no babies were deliberately harmed. Who should we believe?
    Jonathan Coffey, BBC Panorama"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj0y9673rjno

    The article on the BBC is quite balanced. Whatever anyone believes about the case its probably not the best thing to have so much uncertainty about the conviction. One way or another she deserves another day in court.

    I would not want to on the jury.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,304
    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    @TSE I'm just putting together a header on the changes to motoring law that I will submit a bit later - aiming for 9,30am so perhaps one for this afternoon.

    I'm writing it then popping out for my walk before coming back for a final check.

    @MattW one thing that occurs to me is that the new drink drive limit will likely catch out a lot of drivers in the morning. Anecdotally, that's what happened in Scotland with people driving to work on a Saturday morning only 7 hours after their last pint.

    A bit after the horse has bolted though. Drug driving is now a bigger issue I think. On older people, politically fraught but there is very clear evidence driving standards fall dramatically after 70. This wasn't such a big issue when we had decent bus provision - now taking a licence away can be devastating for people.
    My parents moved from a little village (one shop, two pubs) to a nearby town when they got to 70, because they realised that they wouldn’t be able to drive for ever, and a couple of busses a day through the village wasn’t going to cut it.

    The fact that they released a couple of hundred grand in housing equity helped too.

    The village shop owners recently retired and couldn’t find a buyer, so now there’s no shop either.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,326

    .

    While we are doing tightening the law on driving. How long can you ride around on a moped with L plates? It seems like some people are doing it forever.

    And this is part of the duality of the law that upsets people so much.

    On the one hand you have people taking their tests, listening to medical advice, getting insurance, maintaining the car carefully.

    Then your mirror (carefully adjusted) gets wacked by an eternal L-plater on a scooter, doing delivery. He's probably uninsured.

    You see similar in building - the bandit sites (visibly breaking the law) are rarely touched. Run a decent site and you actually get inspected.
    Some of which is to do with austerity particularly hitting council budgets.
    If you ask the inspectors, they say it has to do with being offered violence when they inspect the cowboy sites.

    One inspector noticed that, after he inspected one site, a van was parked across the road from where he lived, when he got home. And drove off the moment he arrived. With the logo of the company he inspected....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,740
    PB brain's trust World Traveller advice welcome.

    I am back off to Asia again shortly, and this time will be visiting China for the first time. I will be going to Shenzhen, but open to visiting other places. Probably be there for 2-3 weeks. Advice...go...
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,786

    Nvidia and AMD to pay 15% of China chip sales to US
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgvvnx8y19o

    Trump using the old shake down tactics, you kick me back some money, I let you do business....

    Export taxes are explicitly illegal in the US so they’ve structured it as a “voluntary agreement”.

    “Pay me” with the “or else” implied is anything but voluntary obviously, but in the current political environment it seems the US federal administration can get away with almost anything. How long before Trump actually shoots someone in the street & gets away with it, as he once claimed he could?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,528
    edited August 11

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    @TSE I'm just putting together a header on the changes to motoring law that I will submit a bit later - aiming for 9,30am so perhaps one for this afternoon.

    I'm writing it then popping out for my walk before coming back for a final check.

    @MattW one thing that occurs to me is that the new drink drive limit will likely catch out a lot of drivers in the morning. Anecdotally, that's what happened in Scotland with people driving to work on a Saturday morning only 7 hours after their last pint.

    A bit after the horse has bolted though. Drug driving is now a bigger issue I think. On older people, politically fraught but there is very clear evidence driving standards fall dramatically after 70. This wasn't such a big issue when we had decent bus provision - now taking a licence away can be devastating for people.
    Also the spread of housing estates far beyond sensible, in terms of public transport. I see estates being built in farmland in places which are sometimes a couple of miles from the nearest bus stop. Anyone living there is going to have problems when they get too old to tool around in their cars.
    Although community is quite strong in rural areas in terms of lifts and there are taxis of course too
    'New housing estates' are not the same as 'rural communities.' They would be more like plantations with lots of new people moving in.

    In towns with lots of farmland nearby taxis can be at rather a premium too. They hang out in major conurbations.
    Depends if said town has a train station or not
    Railway station.
    Pedantry gone mad. What is wrong with train station? It is not as if trains don't stop there so it seems like a perfectly adequate unambiguous description to me. National Rail and Trainline use it and Google tells me it is ok and it is apparently a more common term with the younger elements of society so @HYUFD is down with the youff as well.
    A railway station is a location where the railway is stationed.

    There are folk over on Rail Forums who would die in a ditch over this.

    Do I understand correctly? The railway is stationed at place X because it is stationary, but the train is not stationed at place X because it is mobile. So place X is a railway station, not train station.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,997

    On the subject of low alcohol beers etc. can I mention my "life hack" that has me ridiculed and mocked, but it's nevertheless a good idea: use the zero alcohol beer as a substitute for lemondade in a shandy. Half a glass of proper beer, topped up with the zero alcohol stuff. The end product still tastes like beer, but with a lower alcohol content, and not sickly sweet either.
    However, the beer purists will denounce you, youngsters will talk mockingly of "grand-dad's special cocktail" and your spouse will still think that you are drinking too much. I assure you, it's worth trying.

    Mixing bottled and draught beer used to be a thing, partly because cask beer was often poor quality but bottled beer expensive. So mixing the two gave you a reasonable cost/quality ratio.

    When I moved to London 30 years ago, some of the old soaks in Youngs pubs would still drink Ram Spesh, which was half a pint of Special in a pint glass, topped up with a bottle of Ram Rod.
    There used to be a drink in the North East called a Boilermaker - half a pint of Newcastle Exhibition( aka "Ex") in a pint glass, topped up with half a bottle of Newcastle Brown Ale (aka "Bottle of Dog").

    As you still had the rest of the Brown, you would be obliged to have a second.
    Although Broon Dog was always served with a half pint glass, so you could always request one of those.

    I was at University in Newcastle in the '80s and never heard of a Boilermaker, but then I used to drink McEwan's 80/- or Bass or Strongarm in certain pubs. And Old Peculier in the Mitre (latterly the set for Byker Grove). And Cask Ex when they brought out the cask version. Oh and Samsom or Fed Special (which was far from special but sometimes the only cask beer available). If there was no real ale you could often get Theakston or Ruddles in funny wide-mouthed bottles with ring pulls. That might just have been the University bars though.

    I was told they weren't allowed to sell Snakebite due to local licensing rules, but that might just have been the University bars protecting themselves from copious amounts of projectile vomiting. I did try it once, it seemed the lager and cider flavours cancelled each other out you got something tasteless that got you pissed, great for people who don't actually like the taste of alcoholic beverages.

    Used to go to the Beer Festival when it was still at the Guildhall. On a less positive note I still remember the worst beers I have ever drunk* which were Drybioroughs Heavy and Lorimers Best Scotch.

    * other than beers with a fault, had an Italian IPA last week that smelled of wet dog and I'm quite prepared to believe tasted of one too
    If you want to get students who don't like the taste of alcohol pissed -- which you shouldn't and is immoral -- then caipiroska is deadly. Vodka, sugar, lemon juice, ice. It's cold, sweet and tart, and you do not notice how alcoholic it is.
    That Korean “beer” called “soju” is by far the worst. Tastes barely alcoholic. Like about 2%

    So you guzzle gallons and then you realise it’s more like 20% and the next day you want to die

    Honestly. It’s fucking dangerous
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,610
    edited August 11
    Leon said:

    I’m afraid there is no choice any more

    The time has come for tough but brave decisions, given the abyss that yawns before us

    Yes. I’m going to paint my entire living room in Little Greene’s Hale Navy

    I assume that is a shade - and not an armada of small boats in homage to the hale and hearty asylum seekers arriving in Kent?

    (A colour that strong works better as a single wall, IMHO.)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,652
    Fishing said:

    fitalass said:

    Now that Nicola Sturgeon has said she should have paused the GRR, I wonder if all her fervent supporters, ministers included, feel they were taken for a ride by her when they came out saying Alister Jack was attacking devolution when he actually did pause it!

    https://x.com/holyroodmandy/status/1954792127788888523

    I am being utterly sincere when I say that from the moment I heard that Nicola Sturgeon had the brass neck to call her memoirs 'Frankly' I called it when I said she was literally doing what she has done for years and that was trolling us in plain sight. This is the politician who in the last few years when ever put in front of an inquiry under oath developed amnesia and simple ignored any invites to appear in front of the Scotland committee at Westminster while Pete Wishart totally ignored her arrogant dismal of the committee and didn't criticise her absence.

    About fifteen years ago she and her then husband set out to create the carefully PR created persona that was to be the presidential like figure that was to became bigger than the SNP as a party and the ill informed UK media lapped it up without question and even the most basic journalistic investigation went out the window while only Andrew Neil and less than a handful of other inquiring journalists were prepared to robustly question her about her record and the various SNP Government scandals happening domestically in Scotland under her stewardship.

    This memoir is yet another clearly cynical attempt by Nicola Sturgeon to rehabilitate her post scandal laden political image and attempts to set out a more softer post frontline narrative that she doesn't deserve and simple doesn't exist. But everyone woman who stood up and stuck their head above the parapet to fight her GRR bill will find this news cold comfort. I have been a SCon voter for nearly 40 years, I fought passionately for No in the Indy Ref in 2014, I fought as passionately to Remain in the EU Ref. Both campaigns fought across political party lines where I made so many friends across the politcal divide.

    But a few years ago in Scotland I finally found the political hill I was absolutely finally prepared to die on, and I have met an amazing group of cross party women who felt like I did and it has always been about the hard fought for rights for women and protecting those womens rights to have safe spaces. Nicola Sturgeon told us that our concerns were not valid when it suited her and hounded out other females like Joanna Cherrie, Joan McAlpine and Ash Regan from her own party. She is not and never has been the feminist she has tried to portray herself as when it suits.
    Absolutely this! Post of the month! I still hope to see Sturgeon in jail, and I say this as an SNP member for over 50 years. The Scottish media are very critical of the SNP, but Sturgeon and her acolytes always seem to get a free pass.
    Part of the problem is that the Scottish media is just too timid and lacking in resources to challenge. And the UK media, which actually counts, too ill-informed and afraid of seeming condescending, to challenge too. Frankly, they were in thrall to Nicola and, to be fair, she had a formidable media operation so you had to be very well-informed and confident to take her on, or even hold her to account. The one person who could, Andrew Neil, is, notably, a working-class Scot who is always formidably well-briefed - but there aren't too many media folk like him.

    This is a serious point as a properly functioning democracy requires a properly functioning fourth estate.
    I agree.

    Having worked for governments in Northern Ireland and Jersey, on the one had, and London and Brussels on the other, you certainly notice the difference between the level of scrutiny. In the former, everybody knows everybody else, there's much more of a you-scratch-my-back culture and it's in nobody's interests to blow whistles or upset the boat. While in London a ferocious and ferociously competitive media means that scandals are much more likely to come out.

    That's also a strong argument against devolution, because you need a critical mass of media to get that level of competition and hence scrutiny.
    Given your claims about the Western Isles being a Libdem stronghold, I think I’ll pass on this ‘insight’.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,610
    AnneJGP said:

    Hopefully the art of 0% drinks will get so refined they can finally bring out a 0% beer that mimics drunkeness when consumed
    Fingers crossed

    Night Nurse cough linctus?
    Remember a friend at Uni telling how "my ears have gone big!" after a sesh on the NN.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,118

    Andy_JS said:

    "Lucy Letby's new expert supporters claim no babies were deliberately harmed. Who should we believe?
    Jonathan Coffey, BBC Panorama"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj0y9673rjno

    It's a good read. Coffey has followed the case for a long time, but manages to remain somewhat agnostic as to Letby's guilt. He lays out evidence and counter-argument without favour.
    There is a key passage in Coffey's piece:

    But it is difficult to tell because Letby's defence team have not shared the scientific evidence.

    This is true in three senses. Firstly, the new Letby team have not released full reports. Secondly we do not know, and they have no duty to disclose, any other reports adverse to Letby they have received.

    The third is the most interesting. In the two trials the defence offered no expert evidence in rebuttal of the prosecution. This can only mean (unless some fanciful rerason is true) that despite attempts all the expert evidence they had to hand didn't help or made things worse.

    Only Letby herself can give permission for the unused defence reports to be disclosed. Her former counsel, Ben Myers KC can't do this. It is privileged to Letby herself.

    I don't accept any of the new arguments until we know much more about why Letby would not call expert defence witnesses in either trial.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,786

    .

    While we are doing tightening the law on driving. How long can you ride around on a moped with L plates? It seems like some people are doing it forever.

    And this is part of the duality of the law that upsets people so much.

    On the one hand you have people taking their tests, listening to medical advice, getting insurance, maintaining the car carefully.

    Then your mirror (carefully adjusted) gets wacked by an eternal L-plater on a scooter, doing delivery. He's probably uninsured.

    You see similar in building - the bandit sites (visibly breaking the law) are rarely touched. Run a decent site and you actually get inspected.
    Some of which is to do with austerity particularly hitting council budgets.
    If you ask the inspectors, they say it has to do with being offered violence when they inspect the cowboy sites.

    One inspector noticed that, after he inspected one site, a van was parked across the road from where he lived, when he got home. And drove off the moment he arrived. With the logo of the company he inspected....
    A competent state would call in inspectors from elsewhere at this point, mob handed.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,595

    Andy_JS said:

    "Lucy Letby's new expert supporters claim no babies were deliberately harmed. Who should we believe?
    Jonathan Coffey, BBC Panorama"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj0y9673rjno

    The article on the BBC is quite balanced. Whatever anyone believes about the case its probably not the best thing to have so much uncertainty about the conviction. One way or another she deserves another day in court.

    I would not want to on the jury.
    I would point out that she had 10 months in court for the first trial + a second trial + multiple appeals. She's had more days in court than 95%+ of her fellow inmates. Maybe 99%+.

    Her lawyers have submitted a file to the CCRC. If the CCRC decide her convictions are sound, I would hope that would be the end of it. If the CCRC decide the case needs looking at again, then that should happen.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,326

    AnneJGP said:

    Hopefully the art of 0% drinks will get so refined they can finally bring out a 0% beer that mimics drunkeness when consumed
    Fingers crossed

    Night Nurse cough linctus?
    Remember a friend at Uni telling how "my ears have gone big!" after a sesh on the NN.
    Did your thumbs ever go weird?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,118
    edited August 11
    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    @TSE I'm just putting together a header on the changes to motoring law that I will submit a bit later - aiming for 9,30am so perhaps one for this afternoon.

    I'm writing it then popping out for my walk before coming back for a final check.

    @MattW one thing that occurs to me is that the new drink drive limit will likely catch out a lot of drivers in the morning. Anecdotally, that's what happened in Scotland with people driving to work on a Saturday morning only 7 hours after their last pint.

    A bit after the horse has bolted though. Drug driving is now a bigger issue I think. On older people, politically fraught but there is very clear evidence driving standards fall dramatically after 70. This wasn't such a big issue when we had decent bus provision - now taking a licence away can be devastating for people.
    Also the spread of housing estates far beyond sensible, in terms of public transport. I see estates being built in farmland in places which are sometimes a couple of miles from the nearest bus stop. Anyone living there is going to have problems when they get too old to tool around in their cars.
    Although community is quite strong in rural areas in terms of lifts and there are taxis of course too
    'New housing estates' are not the same as 'rural communities.' They would be more like plantations with lots of new people moving in.

    In towns with lots of farmland nearby taxis can be at rather a premium too. They hang out in major conurbations.
    Depends if said town has a train station or not
    Railway station.
    Pedantry gone mad. What is wrong with train station? It is not as if trains don't stop there so it seems like a perfectly adequate unambiguous description to me. National Rail and Trainline use it and Google tells me it is ok and it is apparently a more common term with the younger elements of society so @HYUFD is down with the youff as well.
    A railway station is a location where the railway is stationed.

    There are folk over on Rail Forums who would die in a ditch over this.

    Do I understand correctly? The railway is stationed at place X because it is stationary, but the train is not stationed at place X because it is mobile. So place X is a railway station, not train station.
    It's a station for all those over a certain age. Though we know what a railway station is - it's a pompous way of saying station. Train station has no discernible meaning at all. Like twenty twenty or batter.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,595
    algarkirk said:

    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    @TSE I'm just putting together a header on the changes to motoring law that I will submit a bit later - aiming for 9,30am so perhaps one for this afternoon.

    I'm writing it then popping out for my walk before coming back for a final check.

    @MattW one thing that occurs to me is that the new drink drive limit will likely catch out a lot of drivers in the morning. Anecdotally, that's what happened in Scotland with people driving to work on a Saturday morning only 7 hours after their last pint.

    A bit after the horse has bolted though. Drug driving is now a bigger issue I think. On older people, politically fraught but there is very clear evidence driving standards fall dramatically after 70. This wasn't such a big issue when we had decent bus provision - now taking a licence away can be devastating for people.
    Also the spread of housing estates far beyond sensible, in terms of public transport. I see estates being built in farmland in places which are sometimes a couple of miles from the nearest bus stop. Anyone living there is going to have problems when they get too old to tool around in their cars.
    Although community is quite strong in rural areas in terms of lifts and there are taxis of course too
    'New housing estates' are not the same as 'rural communities.' They would be more like plantations with lots of new people moving in.

    In towns with lots of farmland nearby taxis can be at rather a premium too. They hang out in major conurbations.
    Depends if said town has a train station or not
    Railway station.
    Pedantry gone mad. What is wrong with train station? It is not as if trains don't stop there so it seems like a perfectly adequate unambiguous description to me. National Rail and Trainline use it and Google tells me it is ok and it is apparently a more common term with the younger elements of society so @HYUFD is down with the youff as well.
    A railway station is a location where the railway is stationed.

    There are folk over on Rail Forums who would die in a ditch over this.

    Do I understand correctly? The railway is stationed at place X because it is stationary, but the train is not stationed at place X because it is mobile. So place X is a railway station, not train station.
    It's a station for all those over a certain age.
    I'm going to start calling it a train stop. Like a bus stop, somewhere the train stops.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,997

    Leon said:

    I’m afraid there is no choice any more

    The time has come for tough but brave decisions, given the abyss that yawns before us

    Yes. I’m going to paint my entire living room in Little Greene’s Hale Navy

    I assume that is a shade - and not an armada of small boats in homage to the hale and hearty asylum seekers arriving in Kent?

    (A colour that strong works better as a single wall, IMHO.)

    Leon said:

    I’m afraid there is no choice any more

    The time has come for tough but brave decisions, given the abyss that yawns before us

    Yes. I’m going to paint my entire living room in Little Greene’s Hale Navy

    I assume that is a shade - and not an armada of small boats in homage to the hale and hearty asylum seekers arriving in Kent?

    (A colour that strong works better as a single wall, IMHO.)
    I’m going for the whole room. Fuck it

    It’s south facing with two enormous floor ceiling sash windows

    The light will flood in by day then it will become a moody blue thinkspace at night

    I’m in “late middle age”. I’m not going down without a fight. I want drama! ENTIRELY BLUE ROOMS

  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,118

    algarkirk said:

    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    @TSE I'm just putting together a header on the changes to motoring law that I will submit a bit later - aiming for 9,30am so perhaps one for this afternoon.

    I'm writing it then popping out for my walk before coming back for a final check.

    @MattW one thing that occurs to me is that the new drink drive limit will likely catch out a lot of drivers in the morning. Anecdotally, that's what happened in Scotland with people driving to work on a Saturday morning only 7 hours after their last pint.

    A bit after the horse has bolted though. Drug driving is now a bigger issue I think. On older people, politically fraught but there is very clear evidence driving standards fall dramatically after 70. This wasn't such a big issue when we had decent bus provision - now taking a licence away can be devastating for people.
    Also the spread of housing estates far beyond sensible, in terms of public transport. I see estates being built in farmland in places which are sometimes a couple of miles from the nearest bus stop. Anyone living there is going to have problems when they get too old to tool around in their cars.
    Although community is quite strong in rural areas in terms of lifts and there are taxis of course too
    'New housing estates' are not the same as 'rural communities.' They would be more like plantations with lots of new people moving in.

    In towns with lots of farmland nearby taxis can be at rather a premium too. They hang out in major conurbations.
    Depends if said town has a train station or not
    Railway station.
    Pedantry gone mad. What is wrong with train station? It is not as if trains don't stop there so it seems like a perfectly adequate unambiguous description to me. National Rail and Trainline use it and Google tells me it is ok and it is apparently a more common term with the younger elements of society so @HYUFD is down with the youff as well.
    A railway station is a location where the railway is stationed.

    There are folk over on Rail Forums who would die in a ditch over this.

    Do I understand correctly? The railway is stationed at place X because it is stationary, but the train is not stationed at place X because it is mobile. So place X is a railway station, not train station.
    It's a station for all those over a certain age.
    I'm going to start calling it a train stop. Like a bus stop, somewhere the train stops.
    Trains, especially when I am on them, stop at all sorts of places that are not stations. So it doesn't help. It's a station.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,997
    edited August 11

    PB brain's trust World Traveller advice welcome.

    I am back off to Asia again shortly, and this time will be visiting China for the first time. I will be going to Shenzhen, but open to visiting other places. Probably be there for 2-3 weeks. Advice...go...

    The wilds of Yunnan. Magnificent

    Also you can get into Tibet there, without a special Tibetan visa because a corner of Yunnan is culturally Tibet - in every way except politically

    Also Beijing and Shanghai OBVS. They are obvious but they are essential
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,640
    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    @TSE I'm just putting together a header on the changes to motoring law that I will submit a bit later - aiming for 9,30am so perhaps one for this afternoon.

    I'm writing it then popping out for my walk before coming back for a final check.

    @MattW one thing that occurs to me is that the new drink drive limit will likely catch out a lot of drivers in the morning. Anecdotally, that's what happened in Scotland with people driving to work on a Saturday morning only 7 hours after their last pint.

    A bit after the horse has bolted though. Drug driving is now a bigger issue I think. On older people, politically fraught but there is very clear evidence driving standards fall dramatically after 70. This wasn't such a big issue when we had decent bus provision - now taking a licence away can be devastating for people.
    Also the spread of housing estates far beyond sensible, in terms of public transport. I see estates being built in farmland in places which are sometimes a couple of miles from the nearest bus stop. Anyone living there is going to have problems when they get too old to tool around in their cars.
    Although community is quite strong in rural areas in terms of lifts and there are taxis of course too
    'New housing estates' are not the same as 'rural communities.' They would be more like plantations with lots of new people moving in.

    In towns with lots of farmland nearby taxis can be at rather a premium too. They hang out in major conurbations.
    Depends if said town has a train station or not
    Railway station.
    Pedantry gone mad. What is wrong with train station? It is not as if trains don't stop there so it seems like a perfectly adequate unambiguous description to me. National Rail and Trainline use it and Google tells me it is ok and it is apparently a more common term with the younger elements of society so @HYUFD is down with the youff as well.
    A railway station is a location where the railway is stationed.

    There are folk over on Rail Forums who would die in a ditch over this.

    Do I understand correctly? The railway is stationed at place X because it is stationary, but the train is not stationed at place X because it is mobile. So place X is a railway station, not train station.
    It's a station for all those over a certain age.
    I'm going to start calling it a train stop. Like a bus stop, somewhere the train stops.
    Trains, especially when I am on them, stop at all sorts of places that are not stations. So it doesn't help. It's a station.
    How about trainport?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,595
    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    @TSE I'm just putting together a header on the changes to motoring law that I will submit a bit later - aiming for 9,30am so perhaps one for this afternoon.

    I'm writing it then popping out for my walk before coming back for a final check.

    @MattW one thing that occurs to me is that the new drink drive limit will likely catch out a lot of drivers in the morning. Anecdotally, that's what happened in Scotland with people driving to work on a Saturday morning only 7 hours after their last pint.

    A bit after the horse has bolted though. Drug driving is now a bigger issue I think. On older people, politically fraught but there is very clear evidence driving standards fall dramatically after 70. This wasn't such a big issue when we had decent bus provision - now taking a licence away can be devastating for people.
    Also the spread of housing estates far beyond sensible, in terms of public transport. I see estates being built in farmland in places which are sometimes a couple of miles from the nearest bus stop. Anyone living there is going to have problems when they get too old to tool around in their cars.
    Although community is quite strong in rural areas in terms of lifts and there are taxis of course too
    'New housing estates' are not the same as 'rural communities.' They would be more like plantations with lots of new people moving in.

    In towns with lots of farmland nearby taxis can be at rather a premium too. They hang out in major conurbations.
    Depends if said town has a train station or not
    Railway station.
    Pedantry gone mad. What is wrong with train station? It is not as if trains don't stop there so it seems like a perfectly adequate unambiguous description to me. National Rail and Trainline use it and Google tells me it is ok and it is apparently a more common term with the younger elements of society so @HYUFD is down with the youff as well.
    A railway station is a location where the railway is stationed.

    There are folk over on Rail Forums who would die in a ditch over this.

    Do I understand correctly? The railway is stationed at place X because it is stationary, but the train is not stationed at place X because it is mobile. So place X is a railway station, not train station.
    It's a station for all those over a certain age.
    I'm going to start calling it a train stop. Like a bus stop, somewhere the train stops.
    Trains, especially when I am on them, stop at all sorts of places that are not stations. So it doesn't help. It's a station.
    Maybe we should ask the Worshipful Company of Stationers and Newspaper Makers. Surely they know what a station is.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,326
    Phil said:

    .

    While we are doing tightening the law on driving. How long can you ride around on a moped with L plates? It seems like some people are doing it forever.

    And this is part of the duality of the law that upsets people so much.

    On the one hand you have people taking their tests, listening to medical advice, getting insurance, maintaining the car carefully.

    Then your mirror (carefully adjusted) gets wacked by an eternal L-plater on a scooter, doing delivery. He's probably uninsured.

    You see similar in building - the bandit sites (visibly breaking the law) are rarely touched. Run a decent site and you actually get inspected.
    Some of which is to do with austerity particularly hitting council budgets.
    If you ask the inspectors, they say it has to do with being offered violence when they inspect the cowboy sites.

    One inspector noticed that, after he inspected one site, a van was parked across the road from where he lived, when he got home. And drove off the moment he arrived. With the logo of the company he inspected....
    A competent state would call in inspectors from elsewhere at this point, mob handed.
    Apparently, in the Goode Olde Days, the following day, a number of the friends of the inspector (who would be on good terms with all the decent builders) would pay a social call, for a free and frank exchange of views, upon the gentleman of the offending firm.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,528

    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    @TSE I'm just putting together a header on the changes to motoring law that I will submit a bit later - aiming for 9,30am so perhaps one for this afternoon.

    I'm writing it then popping out for my walk before coming back for a final check.

    @MattW one thing that occurs to me is that the new drink drive limit will likely catch out a lot of drivers in the morning. Anecdotally, that's what happened in Scotland with people driving to work on a Saturday morning only 7 hours after their last pint.

    A bit after the horse has bolted though. Drug driving is now a bigger issue I think. On older people, politically fraught but there is very clear evidence driving standards fall dramatically after 70. This wasn't such a big issue when we had decent bus provision - now taking a licence away can be devastating for people.
    Also the spread of housing estates far beyond sensible, in terms of public transport. I see estates being built in farmland in places which are sometimes a couple of miles from the nearest bus stop. Anyone living there is going to have problems when they get too old to tool around in their cars.
    Although community is quite strong in rural areas in terms of lifts and there are taxis of course too
    'New housing estates' are not the same as 'rural communities.' They would be more like plantations with lots of new people moving in.

    In towns with lots of farmland nearby taxis can be at rather a premium too. They hang out in major conurbations.
    Depends if said town has a train station or not
    Railway station.
    Pedantry gone mad. What is wrong with train station? It is not as if trains don't stop there so it seems like a perfectly adequate unambiguous description to me. National Rail and Trainline use it and Google tells me it is ok and it is apparently a more common term with the younger elements of society so @HYUFD is down with the youff as well.
    A railway station is a location where the railway is stationed.

    There are folk over on Rail Forums who would die in a ditch over this.

    Do I understand correctly? The railway is stationed at place X because it is stationary, but the train is not stationed at place X because it is mobile. So place X is a railway station, not train station.
    It's a station for all those over a certain age.
    I'm going to start calling it a train stop. Like a bus stop, somewhere the train stops.
    Trains, especially when I am on them, stop at all sorts of places that are not stations. So it doesn't help. It's a station.
    Maybe we should ask the Worshipful Company of Stationers and Newspaper Makers. Surely they know what a station is.
    StationEry refers to writing materials like paper, pens, and envelopes
    StationAry means not moving or fixed in place.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,073

    On the subject of low alcohol beers etc. can I mention my "life hack" that has me ridiculed and mocked, but it's nevertheless a good idea: use the zero alcohol beer as a substitute for lemondade in a shandy. Half a glass of proper beer, topped up with the zero alcohol stuff. The end product still tastes like beer, but with a lower alcohol content, and not sickly sweet either.
    However, the beer purists will denounce you, youngsters will talk mockingly of "grand-dad's special cocktail" and your spouse will still think that you are drinking too much. I assure you, it's worth trying.

    Mixing bottled and draught beer used to be a thing, partly because cask beer was often poor quality but bottled beer expensive. So mixing the two gave you a reasonable cost/quality ratio.

    When I moved to London 30 years ago, some of the old soaks in Youngs pubs would still drink Ram Spesh, which was half a pint of Special in a pint glass, topped up with a bottle of Ram Rod.
    There used to be a drink in the North East called a Boilermaker - half a pint of Newcastle Exhibition( aka "Ex") in a pint glass, topped up with half a bottle of Newcastle Brown Ale (aka "Bottle of Dog").

    As you still had the rest of the Brown, you would be obliged to have a second.
    Although Broon Dog was always served with a half pint glass, so you could always request one of those.

    I was at University in Newcastle in the '80s and never heard of a Boilermaker, but then I used to drink McEwan's 80/- or Bass or Strongarm in certain pubs. And Old Peculier in the Mitre (latterly the set for Byker Grove). And Cask Ex when they brought out the cask version. Oh and Samsom or Fed Special (which was far from special but sometimes the only cask beer available). If there was no real ale you could often get Theakston or Ruddles in funny wide-mouthed bottles with ring pulls. That might just have been the University bars though.

    I was told they weren't allowed to sell Snakebite due to local licensing rules, but that might just have been the University bars protecting themselves from copious amounts of projectile vomiting. I did try it once, it seemed the lager and cider flavours cancelled each other out you got something tasteless that got you pissed, great for people who don't actually like the taste of alcoholic beverages.

    Used to go to the Beer Festival when it was still at the Guildhall. On a less positive note I still remember the worst beers I have ever drunk* which were Drybioroughs Heavy and Lorimers Best Scotch.

    * other than beers with a fault, had an Italian IPA last week that smelled of wet dog and I'm quite prepared to believe tasted of one too
    If you want to get students who don't like the taste of alcohol pissed -- which you shouldn't and is immoral -- then caipiroska is deadly. Vodka, sugar, lemon juice, ice. It's cold, sweet and tart, and you do not notice how alcoholic it is.
    You need a cocktail called a Fog Cutter.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 29,073
    viewcode said:

    algarkirk said:

    algarkirk said:

    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    @TSE I'm just putting together a header on the changes to motoring law that I will submit a bit later - aiming for 9,30am so perhaps one for this afternoon.

    I'm writing it then popping out for my walk before coming back for a final check.

    @MattW one thing that occurs to me is that the new drink drive limit will likely catch out a lot of drivers in the morning. Anecdotally, that's what happened in Scotland with people driving to work on a Saturday morning only 7 hours after their last pint.

    A bit after the horse has bolted though. Drug driving is now a bigger issue I think. On older people, politically fraught but there is very clear evidence driving standards fall dramatically after 70. This wasn't such a big issue when we had decent bus provision - now taking a licence away can be devastating for people.
    Also the spread of housing estates far beyond sensible, in terms of public transport. I see estates being built in farmland in places which are sometimes a couple of miles from the nearest bus stop. Anyone living there is going to have problems when they get too old to tool around in their cars.
    Although community is quite strong in rural areas in terms of lifts and there are taxis of course too
    'New housing estates' are not the same as 'rural communities.' They would be more like plantations with lots of new people moving in.

    In towns with lots of farmland nearby taxis can be at rather a premium too. They hang out in major conurbations.
    Depends if said town has a train station or not
    Railway station.
    Pedantry gone mad. What is wrong with train station? It is not as if trains don't stop there so it seems like a perfectly adequate unambiguous description to me. National Rail and Trainline use it and Google tells me it is ok and it is apparently a more common term with the younger elements of society so @HYUFD is down with the youff as well.
    A railway station is a location where the railway is stationed.

    There are folk over on Rail Forums who would die in a ditch over this.

    Do I understand correctly? The railway is stationed at place X because it is stationary, but the train is not stationed at place X because it is mobile. So place X is a railway station, not train station.
    It's a station for all those over a certain age.
    I'm going to start calling it a train stop. Like a bus stop, somewhere the train stops.
    Trains, especially when I am on them, stop at all sorts of places that are not stations. So it doesn't help. It's a station.
    Maybe we should ask the Worshipful Company of Stationers and Newspaper Makers. Surely they know what a station is.
    StationEry refers to writing materials like paper, pens, and envelopes
    StationAry means not moving or fixed in place.
    E in the middle for Envelope.
    The other one is ... the other one.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,740
    edited August 11
    Leon said:

    PB brain's trust World Traveller advice welcome.

    I am back off to Asia again shortly, and this time will be visiting China for the first time. I will be going to Shenzhen, but open to visiting other places. Probably be there for 2-3 weeks. Advice...go...

    The wilds of Yunnan. Magnificent

    Also you can get into Tibet there, without a special Tibetan visa because a corner of Yunnan is culturally Tibet - in every way except politically

    Also Beijing and Shanghai OBVS. They are obvious but they are essential
    Might be a bit far as it isn't a holiday, I have work engagements in Hong Kong and Shenzhen. Shanghai looks doable though.

    Got to also give myself plenty of time to get a good fake Rolex ;-)
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,118
    edited August 11

    Andy_JS said:

    "Lucy Letby's new expert supporters claim no babies were deliberately harmed. Who should we believe?
    Jonathan Coffey, BBC Panorama"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj0y9673rjno

    The article on the BBC is quite balanced. Whatever anyone believes about the case its probably not the best thing to have so much uncertainty about the conviction. One way or another she deserves another day in court.

    I would not want to on the jury.
    I would point out that she had 10 months in court for the first trial + a second trial + multiple appeals. She's had more days in court than 95%+ of her fellow inmates. Maybe 99%+.

    Her lawyers have submitted a file to the CCRC. If the CCRC decide her convictions are sound, I would hope that would be the end of it. If the CCRC decide the case needs looking at again, then that should happen.
    Exactly. My guess is that the CCRC will in the end send some but not all convictions back to the CA, though they could send all of them (a decision to send some but not all could easily itself find that decision appealed to the SC, as of course if they are not all sent LL remains convicted of murder/attempted murder what ever happens).

    The CA (Criminal Division) is a steep uphill climb for appellants. Though not impossible. The recent successful decision in Plummer is a classic even in that court's distinctive history. Worth a read if you want the history of how someone (arguably plainly guilty and a total scrote) got off in the end, after about 28 years. The popular press largely ignored it. I wonder why??

    https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2025/1036.html
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,799
    edited August 11
    algarkirk said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Lucy Letby's new expert supporters claim no babies were deliberately harmed. Who should we believe?
    Jonathan Coffey, BBC Panorama"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj0y9673rjno

    The article on the BBC is quite balanced. Whatever anyone believes about the case its probably not the best thing to have so much uncertainty about the conviction. One way or another she deserves another day in court.

    I would not want to on the jury.
    I would point out that she had 10 months in court for the first trial + a second trial + multiple appeals. She's had more days in court than 95%+ of her fellow inmates. Maybe 99%+.

    Her lawyers have submitted a file to the CCRC. If the CCRC decide her convictions are sound, I would hope that would be the end of it. If the CCRC decide the case needs looking at again, then that should happen.
    Exactly. My guess is that the CCRC will in the end send some but not all convictions back to the CA, though they could send all of them (a decision to send some but not all could easily itself find that decision appealed to the SC, as of course if they are not all sent LL remains convicted of murder/attempted murder what ever happens).

    The CA (Criminal Division) is a steep uphill climb for appellants. Though not impossible. The recent successful decision in Plummer is a classic even in that court's distinctive history. Worth a read if you want the history of how someone (arguably plainly guilty and a total scrote) got off in the end, after about 28 years. The popular press largely ignored it. I wonder why??

    https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2025/1036.html
    The issue with sending some but not all back would be this:

    Either she is a serial killer responsible for killing or attempting to kill many, many babies.

    OR

    She is innocent of all charges and a case has been created against her.

    There isn't a halfway house where she killed a few of them, but the others are natural causes/bad practice at a failing unit.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,740
    edited August 11
    Cycling Mikey gets his equipment destroyed while trying to stop people going down a one way road
    https://x.com/UB1UB2/status/1954670070451359772

    He looks out of control in the clip. The car clearly has gone down a road that is temporarily closed in that direction, but he literally rams his bike in front of it.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,652

    fitalass said:

    Now that Nicola Sturgeon has said she should have paused the GRR, I wonder if all her fervent supporters, ministers included, feel they were taken for a ride by her when they came out saying Alister Jack was attacking devolution when he actually did pause it!

    https://x.com/holyroodmandy/status/1954792127788888523

    I am being utterly sincere when I say that from the moment I heard that Nicola Sturgeon had the brass neck to call her memoirs 'Frankly' I called it when I said she was literally doing what she has done for years and that was trolling us in plain sight. This is the politician who in the last few years when ever put in front of an inquiry under oath developed amnesia and simple ignored any invites to appear in front of the Scotland committee at Westminster while Pete Wishart totally ignored her arrogant dismal of the committee and didn't criticise her absence.

    About fifteen years ago she and her then husband set out to create the carefully PR created persona that was to be the presidential like figure that was to became bigger than the SNP as a party and the ill informed UK media lapped it up without question and even the most basic journalistic investigation went out the window while only Andrew Neil and less than a handful of other inquiring journalists were prepared to robustly question her about her record and the various SNP Government scandals happening domestically in Scotland under her stewardship.

    This memoir is yet another clearly cynical attempt by Nicola Sturgeon to rehabilitate her post scandal laden political image and attempts to set out a more softer post frontline narrative that she doesn't deserve and simple doesn't exist. But everyone woman who stood up and stuck their head above the parapet to fight her GRR bill will find this news cold comfort. I have been a SCon voter for nearly 40 years, I fought passionately for No in the Indy Ref in 2014, I fought as passionately to Remain in the EU Ref. Both campaigns fought across political party lines where I made so many friends across the politcal divide.

    But a few years ago in Scotland I finally found the political hill I was absolutely finally prepared to die on, and I have met an amazing group of cross party women who felt like I did and it has always been about the hard fought for rights for women and protecting those womens rights to have safe spaces. Nicola Sturgeon told us that our concerns were not valid when it suited her and hounded out other females like Joanna Cherrie, Joan McAlpine and Ash Regan from her own party. She is not and never has been the feminist she has tried to portray herself as when it suits.
    Absolutely this! Post of the month! I still hope to see Sturgeon in jail, and I say this as an SNP member for over 50 years. The Scottish media are very critical of the SNP, but Sturgeon and her acolytes always seem to get a free pass.
    Part of the problem is that the Scottish media is just too timid and lacking in resources to challenge. And the UK media, which actually counts, too ill-informed and afraid of seeming condescending, to challenge too. Frankly, they were in thrall to Nicola and, to be fair, she had a formidable media operation so you had to be very well-informed and confident to take her on, or even hold her to account. The one person who could, Andrew Neil, is, notably, a working-class Scot who is always formidably well-briefed - but there aren't too many media folk like him.

    This is a serious point as a properly functioning democracy requires a properly functioning fourth estate.
    Hardly unique to Scotland. Most of our local media are hollowed-out clickbait machines. And the national media mostly aren't that much better. Meanwhile London apparently can't support a daily newspaper at all. And the bottom line is that the reason for that is that we're collectively not prepared to pay for anything better.
    ‘we're collectively not prepared to pay for anything better’

    Pretty much our epitaph.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,499
    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    @TSE I'm just putting together a header on the changes to motoring law that I will submit a bit later - aiming for 9,30am so perhaps one for this afternoon.

    I'm writing it then popping out for my walk before coming back for a final check.

    @MattW one thing that occurs to me is that the new drink drive limit will likely catch out a lot of drivers in the morning. Anecdotally, that's what happened in Scotland with people driving to work on a Saturday morning only 7 hours after their last pint.

    A bit after the horse has bolted though. Drug driving is now a bigger issue I think. On older people, politically fraught but there is very clear evidence driving standards fall dramatically after 70. This wasn't such a big issue when we had decent bus provision - now taking a licence away can be devastating for people.
    Also the spread of housing estates far beyond sensible, in terms of public transport. I see estates being built in farmland in places which are sometimes a couple of miles from the nearest bus stop. Anyone living there is going to have problems when they get too old to tool around in their cars.
    Although community is quite strong in rural areas in terms of lifts and there are taxis of course too
    'New housing estates' are not the same as 'rural communities.' They would be more like plantations with lots of new people moving in.

    In towns with lots of farmland nearby taxis can be at rather a premium too. They hang out in major conurbations.
    Depends if said town has a train station or not
    Railway station.
    Pedantry gone mad. What is wrong with train station? It is not as if trains don't stop there so it seems like a perfectly adequate unambiguous description to me. National Rail and Trainline use it and Google tells me it is ok and it is apparently a more common term with the younger elements of society so @HYUFD is down with the youff as well.
    A railway station is a location where the railway is stationed.

    There are folk over on Rail Forums who would die in a ditch over this.

    Do I understand correctly? The railway is stationed at place X because it is stationary, but the train is not stationed at place X because it is mobile. So place X is a railway station, not train station.
    You catch BUSES at a BUS station. You catch TRAINS at a TRAIN station.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,799

    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    @TSE I'm just putting together a header on the changes to motoring law that I will submit a bit later - aiming for 9,30am so perhaps one for this afternoon.

    I'm writing it then popping out for my walk before coming back for a final check.

    @MattW one thing that occurs to me is that the new drink drive limit will likely catch out a lot of drivers in the morning. Anecdotally, that's what happened in Scotland with people driving to work on a Saturday morning only 7 hours after their last pint.

    A bit after the horse has bolted though. Drug driving is now a bigger issue I think. On older people, politically fraught but there is very clear evidence driving standards fall dramatically after 70. This wasn't such a big issue when we had decent bus provision - now taking a licence away can be devastating for people.
    Also the spread of housing estates far beyond sensible, in terms of public transport. I see estates being built in farmland in places which are sometimes a couple of miles from the nearest bus stop. Anyone living there is going to have problems when they get too old to tool around in their cars.
    Although community is quite strong in rural areas in terms of lifts and there are taxis of course too
    'New housing estates' are not the same as 'rural communities.' They would be more like plantations with lots of new people moving in.

    In towns with lots of farmland nearby taxis can be at rather a premium too. They hang out in major conurbations.
    Depends if said town has a train station or not
    Railway station.
    Pedantry gone mad. What is wrong with train station? It is not as if trains don't stop there so it seems like a perfectly adequate unambiguous description to me. National Rail and Trainline use it and Google tells me it is ok and it is apparently a more common term with the younger elements of society so @HYUFD is down with the youff as well.
    A railway station is a location where the railway is stationed.

    There are folk over on Rail Forums who would die in a ditch over this.

    Do I understand correctly? The railway is stationed at place X because it is stationary, but the train is not stationed at place X because it is mobile. So place X is a railway station, not train station.
    You catch BUSES at a BUS station. You catch TRAINS at a TRAIN station.
    And you catch PLANES at and a PLANE station.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,740
    edited August 11

    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    @TSE I'm just putting together a header on the changes to motoring law that I will submit a bit later - aiming for 9,30am so perhaps one for this afternoon.

    I'm writing it then popping out for my walk before coming back for a final check.

    @MattW one thing that occurs to me is that the new drink drive limit will likely catch out a lot of drivers in the morning. Anecdotally, that's what happened in Scotland with people driving to work on a Saturday morning only 7 hours after their last pint.

    A bit after the horse has bolted though. Drug driving is now a bigger issue I think. On older people, politically fraught but there is very clear evidence driving standards fall dramatically after 70. This wasn't such a big issue when we had decent bus provision - now taking a licence away can be devastating for people.
    Also the spread of housing estates far beyond sensible, in terms of public transport. I see estates being built in farmland in places which are sometimes a couple of miles from the nearest bus stop. Anyone living there is going to have problems when they get too old to tool around in their cars.
    Although community is quite strong in rural areas in terms of lifts and there are taxis of course too
    'New housing estates' are not the same as 'rural communities.' They would be more like plantations with lots of new people moving in.

    In towns with lots of farmland nearby taxis can be at rather a premium too. They hang out in major conurbations.
    Depends if said town has a train station or not
    Railway station.
    Pedantry gone mad. What is wrong with train station? It is not as if trains don't stop there so it seems like a perfectly adequate unambiguous description to me. National Rail and Trainline use it and Google tells me it is ok and it is apparently a more common term with the younger elements of society so @HYUFD is down with the youff as well.
    A railway station is a location where the railway is stationed.

    There are folk over on Rail Forums who would die in a ditch over this.

    Do I understand correctly? The railway is stationed at place X because it is stationary, but the train is not stationed at place X because it is mobile. So place X is a railway station, not train station.
    You catch BUSES at a BUS station. You catch TRAINS at a TRAIN station.
    And you catch PLANES at and a PLANE station.
    The joys of the English language.

    I have a good German friend who is fluent in English but refuses to believe that "make a photograph" is wrong. He is but that is literally what are you bloody doing. I make a sandwich, I make a left turn, I make a photograph...
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,344

    Leon said:

    PB brain's trust World Traveller advice welcome.

    I am back off to Asia again shortly, and this time will be visiting China for the first time. I will be going to Shenzhen, but open to visiting other places. Probably be there for 2-3 weeks. Advice...go...

    The wilds of Yunnan. Magnificent

    Also you can get into Tibet there, without a special Tibetan visa because a corner of Yunnan is culturally Tibet - in every way except politically

    Also Beijing and Shanghai OBVS. They are obvious but they are essential
    Might be a bit far as it isn't a holiday, I have work engagements in Hong Kong and Shenzhen. Shanghai looks doable though.

    Got to also give myself plenty of time to get a good fake Rolex ;-)
    Get two. You'll need the other one for spares.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,473

    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    @TSE I'm just putting together a header on the changes to motoring law that I will submit a bit later - aiming for 9,30am so perhaps one for this afternoon.

    I'm writing it then popping out for my walk before coming back for a final check.

    @MattW one thing that occurs to me is that the new drink drive limit will likely catch out a lot of drivers in the morning. Anecdotally, that's what happened in Scotland with people driving to work on a Saturday morning only 7 hours after their last pint.

    A bit after the horse has bolted though. Drug driving is now a bigger issue I think. On older people, politically fraught but there is very clear evidence driving standards fall dramatically after 70. This wasn't such a big issue when we had decent bus provision - now taking a licence away can be devastating for people.
    Also the spread of housing estates far beyond sensible, in terms of public transport. I see estates being built in farmland in places which are sometimes a couple of miles from the nearest bus stop. Anyone living there is going to have problems when they get too old to tool around in their cars.
    Although community is quite strong in rural areas in terms of lifts and there are taxis of course too
    'New housing estates' are not the same as 'rural communities.' They would be more like plantations with lots of new people moving in.

    In towns with lots of farmland nearby taxis can be at rather a premium too. They hang out in major conurbations.
    Depends if said town has a train station or not
    Railway station.
    Pedantry gone mad. What is wrong with train station? It is not as if trains don't stop there so it seems like a perfectly adequate unambiguous description to me. National Rail and Trainline use it and Google tells me it is ok and it is apparently a more common term with the younger elements of society so @HYUFD is down with the youff as well.
    A railway station is a location where the railway is stationed.

    There are folk over on Rail Forums who would die in a ditch over this.

    Do I understand correctly? The railway is stationed at place X because it is stationary, but the train is not stationed at place X because it is mobile. So place X is a railway station, not train station.
    You catch BUSES at a BUS station. You catch TRAINS at a TRAIN station.
    You can catch buses at a train station, too.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,499

    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    @TSE I'm just putting together a header on the changes to motoring law that I will submit a bit later - aiming for 9,30am so perhaps one for this afternoon.

    I'm writing it then popping out for my walk before coming back for a final check.

    @MattW one thing that occurs to me is that the new drink drive limit will likely catch out a lot of drivers in the morning. Anecdotally, that's what happened in Scotland with people driving to work on a Saturday morning only 7 hours after their last pint.

    A bit after the horse has bolted though. Drug driving is now a bigger issue I think. On older people, politically fraught but there is very clear evidence driving standards fall dramatically after 70. This wasn't such a big issue when we had decent bus provision - now taking a licence away can be devastating for people.
    Also the spread of housing estates far beyond sensible, in terms of public transport. I see estates being built in farmland in places which are sometimes a couple of miles from the nearest bus stop. Anyone living there is going to have problems when they get too old to tool around in their cars.
    Although community is quite strong in rural areas in terms of lifts and there are taxis of course too
    'New housing estates' are not the same as 'rural communities.' They would be more like plantations with lots of new people moving in.

    In towns with lots of farmland nearby taxis can be at rather a premium too. They hang out in major conurbations.
    Depends if said town has a train station or not
    Railway station.
    Pedantry gone mad. What is wrong with train station? It is not as if trains don't stop there so it seems like a perfectly adequate unambiguous description to me. National Rail and Trainline use it and Google tells me it is ok and it is apparently a more common term with the younger elements of society so @HYUFD is down with the youff as well.
    A railway station is a location where the railway is stationed.

    There are folk over on Rail Forums who would die in a ditch over this.

    Do I understand correctly? The railway is stationed at place X because it is stationary, but the train is not stationed at place X because it is mobile. So place X is a railway station, not train station.
    You catch BUSES at a BUS station. You catch TRAINS at a TRAIN station.
    And you catch PLANES at and a PLANE station.
    How much of the GB rail network have you done, @turbotubbs?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,799

    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    @TSE I'm just putting together a header on the changes to motoring law that I will submit a bit later - aiming for 9,30am so perhaps one for this afternoon.

    I'm writing it then popping out for my walk before coming back for a final check.

    @MattW one thing that occurs to me is that the new drink drive limit will likely catch out a lot of drivers in the morning. Anecdotally, that's what happened in Scotland with people driving to work on a Saturday morning only 7 hours after their last pint.

    A bit after the horse has bolted though. Drug driving is now a bigger issue I think. On older people, politically fraught but there is very clear evidence driving standards fall dramatically after 70. This wasn't such a big issue when we had decent bus provision - now taking a licence away can be devastating for people.
    Also the spread of housing estates far beyond sensible, in terms of public transport. I see estates being built in farmland in places which are sometimes a couple of miles from the nearest bus stop. Anyone living there is going to have problems when they get too old to tool around in their cars.
    Although community is quite strong in rural areas in terms of lifts and there are taxis of course too
    'New housing estates' are not the same as 'rural communities.' They would be more like plantations with lots of new people moving in.

    In towns with lots of farmland nearby taxis can be at rather a premium too. They hang out in major conurbations.
    Depends if said town has a train station or not
    Railway station.
    Pedantry gone mad. What is wrong with train station? It is not as if trains don't stop there so it seems like a perfectly adequate unambiguous description to me. National Rail and Trainline use it and Google tells me it is ok and it is apparently a more common term with the younger elements of society so @HYUFD is down with the youff as well.
    A railway station is a location where the railway is stationed.

    There are folk over on Rail Forums who would die in a ditch over this.

    Do I understand correctly? The railway is stationed at place X because it is stationary, but the train is not stationed at place X because it is mobile. So place X is a railway station, not train station.
    You catch BUSES at a BUS station. You catch TRAINS at a TRAIN station.
    And you catch PLANES at and a PLANE station.
    How much of the GB rail network have you done, @turbotubbs?
    Not as much as you!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,740
    edited August 11
    Battlebus said:

    Leon said:

    PB brain's trust World Traveller advice welcome.

    I am back off to Asia again shortly, and this time will be visiting China for the first time. I will be going to Shenzhen, but open to visiting other places. Probably be there for 2-3 weeks. Advice...go...

    The wilds of Yunnan. Magnificent

    Also you can get into Tibet there, without a special Tibetan visa because a corner of Yunnan is culturally Tibet - in every way except politically

    Also Beijing and Shanghai OBVS. They are obvious but they are essential
    Might be a bit far as it isn't a holiday, I have work engagements in Hong Kong and Shenzhen. Shanghai looks doable though.

    Got to also give myself plenty of time to get a good fake Rolex ;-)
    Get two. You'll need the other one for spares.
    I hear that is how you get "best price".

    Obviously I am not going to get a real or fake Rolex, I don't want my posting privileges to be revoked on PB.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,499

    viewcode said:

    kjh said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    Carnyx said:

    Eabhal said:

    MattW said:

    @TSE I'm just putting together a header on the changes to motoring law that I will submit a bit later - aiming for 9,30am so perhaps one for this afternoon.

    I'm writing it then popping out for my walk before coming back for a final check.

    @MattW one thing that occurs to me is that the new drink drive limit will likely catch out a lot of drivers in the morning. Anecdotally, that's what happened in Scotland with people driving to work on a Saturday morning only 7 hours after their last pint.

    A bit after the horse has bolted though. Drug driving is now a bigger issue I think. On older people, politically fraught but there is very clear evidence driving standards fall dramatically after 70. This wasn't such a big issue when we had decent bus provision - now taking a licence away can be devastating for people.
    Also the spread of housing estates far beyond sensible, in terms of public transport. I see estates being built in farmland in places which are sometimes a couple of miles from the nearest bus stop. Anyone living there is going to have problems when they get too old to tool around in their cars.
    Although community is quite strong in rural areas in terms of lifts and there are taxis of course too
    'New housing estates' are not the same as 'rural communities.' They would be more like plantations with lots of new people moving in.

    In towns with lots of farmland nearby taxis can be at rather a premium too. They hang out in major conurbations.
    Depends if said town has a train station or not
    Railway station.
    Pedantry gone mad. What is wrong with train station? It is not as if trains don't stop there so it seems like a perfectly adequate unambiguous description to me. National Rail and Trainline use it and Google tells me it is ok and it is apparently a more common term with the younger elements of society so @HYUFD is down with the youff as well.
    A railway station is a location where the railway is stationed.

    There are folk over on Rail Forums who would die in a ditch over this.

    Do I understand correctly? The railway is stationed at place X because it is stationary, but the train is not stationed at place X because it is mobile. So place X is a railway station, not train station.
    You catch BUSES at a BUS station. You catch TRAINS at a TRAIN station.
    And you catch PLANES at and a PLANE station.
    How much of the GB rail network have you done, @turbotubbs?
    Not as much as you!
    Well, then. TRAIN station is perfectly acceptable.
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