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How we see Starmer, Corbyn, and Farage – politicalbetting.com

How do Britons see Jeremy Corbyn?Intelligent: 54% (net +24)Principled: 47% (+11)Hardworking: 46% (+13)Represents change: 39% (-7)Trustworthy: 32% (-23)Understands people like them: 30% (-30)Represent the UK well on world stage: 23% (-42)yougov.co.uk/politics/art…

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  • TazTaz Posts: 20,151
    edited August 8
    Ahoy

    First by the proverbial gnats knacker
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,792
    Farage represents change?

    Starmer represents the UK well?

    Corbyn is principled?

    As a country, we are fooked....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,175
    ydoethur said:

    Farage represents change?

    Starmer represents the UK well?

    Corbyn is principled?

    As a country, we are fooked....

    Being on the side of every enemy of Britain is a principle Corbyn has held for decades.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,198
    Trainspotting in Japan (7-second video):-
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TtShYZihagg
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,255

    ydoethur said:

    Farage represents change?

    Starmer represents the UK well?

    Corbyn is principled?

    As a country, we are fooked....

    Being on the side of every enemy of Britain is a principle Corbyn has held for decades.
    Well if you start from the point of view that the bad people in the world are the UK, US, and Israel, it’s not much of a surprise that you end up supporting enemies like Iran, Russia, China, North Korea…
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,503

    Trainspotting in Japan (7-second video):-
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TtShYZihagg

    I might be wrong, but I think that's the short Maglev test track they have.

    It has reached a top speed of 375 MPH. Service speed expected to be 311 MPH. Fastest conventional train on a test has reached 357 MPH
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,198
    What they don't want you to know about Brexit
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSFCOdrlAb8

    Jacob Rees-Mogg is sceptical of opinion polls, except the ones he agrees with, in this 11-minute video.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,503
    In other news, I have a triathlon race on Sunday.

    And last night, we think I dislocated my shoulder. it was only out for a second, then popped back in again. I'd love to say I did it weightlifting during a PT session, or during a swim, but in reality I did it changing the bedding.

    It's sore this morning, but I have full mobility. I'm going to go for a gently bike ride this morning to see if I can ride, and I'll see how the swim goes on Sunday...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,988
    edited August 8
    Good morning everyone, and thanks for the header.

    From The Rest is Politics Q&A, a conversation about Palantir (ie Thiel) and their growing work with the German Health sector. Interesting commentary on the UK status, and how it working into the German system - Land by Land. Several minutes.

    And commentary about the uniqueness of the NHS comprehensive medical history in one system. I'm not sure - are there other systems with whole population records going back so far?

    https://youtu.be/z2EYn_jZTf4?t=1612
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,679
    It is interesting how ChatGPT 5 is not really getting much airtime from the media in the UK. Is the hype train dying down?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,588
    Awful numbers for Farage.

    Truly woeful, for our supposed next PM. Go for him, Kemi.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,198

    Trainspotting in Japan (7-second video):-
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TtShYZihagg

    I might be wrong, but I think that's the short Maglev test track they have.

    It has reached a top speed of 375 MPH. Service speed expected to be 311 MPH. Fastest conventional train on a test has reached 357 MPH
    Yes, I think so. Another British invention shut down by our short-sighted government.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,503
    An interesting case; I'm unsure of my own views on it:

    "Doctors have been told they can force-feed an anorexic woman following a legal ruling.

    In 2023, a court said 25-year-old Patricia, whose name has been changed for legal reasons, could not be forced to use a feeding tube."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyrz2vl719o

    She's not suicidal; weighs just 19kg, and has been suffering from anorexia for 15 years.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,293
    This isn’t the greatest look from Kemi; they say no one likes a grass

    Kemi Badenoch gets a student expelled - I haven’t stopped laughing since I read this 🤣 “She has an incredible ability to become more unlikable and less relatable every single time she opens her mouth”

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1953481073339326728?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,679
    edited August 8
    I find it bizarre that more people think Corbyn is intelligent than he is principled. He is as thick as two short planks but he is undoubtedly a true believer in his cause and has been extremely consistent / principled follower. This is the man who divorced his wife than rather agree to send their kids to a selective school.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,503

    Trainspotting in Japan (7-second video):-
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TtShYZihagg

    I might be wrong, but I think that's the short Maglev test track they have.

    It has reached a top speed of 375 MPH. Service speed expected to be 311 MPH. Fastest conventional train on a test has reached 357 MPH
    Yes, I think so. Another British invention shut down by our short-sighted government.
    A pointless invention for transport. Germany have shut down their test line (after a fatal crash on a system that was claimed to be crash-proof...); China are not going to extend their line, and Japan's line is trapped in development Hell.

    In other news, a remnant of another abandoned British transport innovation (related to Maglev) looks like it is going to be scrapped:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracked_Hovercraft

    (My dad's company apparently dig the foundations for the first Maglev test track in the world, at Derby RTC.)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,588
    edited August 8
    isam said:

    This isn’t the greatest look from Kemi; they say no one likes a grass

    Kemi Badenoch gets a student expelled - I haven’t stopped laughing since I read this 🤣 “She has an incredible ability to become more unlikable and less relatable every single time she opens her mouth”

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1953481073339326728?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    I am of the school that doesn't like a cheat.

    Like the people coming over in little boats to cheat the asylum system.

    I think I know where most Brits are on this.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,198

    In other news, I have a triathlon race on Sunday.

    And last night, we think I dislocated my shoulder. it was only out for a second, then popped back in again. I'd love to say I did it weightlifting during a PT session, or during a swim, but in reality I did it changing the bedding.

    It's sore this morning, but I have full mobility. I'm going to go for a gently bike ride this morning to see if I can ride, and I'll see how the swim goes on Sunday...

    I'd be careful. You don't want to find moving your arm hurts or chest muscle involvement makes deep breathing impossible when you are half a mile from shore. You could ask ChatGPT-5 what it thinks but after last night's thread, I wouldn't bother.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,326
    edited August 8
    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone, and thanks for the header.

    From The Rest is Politics Q&A, a conversation about Palantir (ie Thiel) and their growing work with the German Health sector. Interesting commentary on the UK status, and how it working into the German system - Land by Land. Several minutes.

    And commentary about the uniqueness of the NHS comprehensive medical history in one system. I'm not sure - are there other systems with whole population records going back so far?

    https://youtu.be/z2EYn_jZTf4?t=1612

    Iceland says hello

    https://www.iatp.org/news/iceland-parliament-sells-rights-to-genetic-code

    British researcher Ross Anderson has prepared a paper for the Icelandic Medical Association that questions the notion that anonymity can be protected when so much data is collected. The company has pledged to program the computers to produce no fewer than 10 records for any query so that the computers can never identify an individual.

    But multiple searches can winnow one name out of 10, Anderson said, adding that no encryption scheme can mask identities when so much personal information is stored in one place.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,588
    Battlebus said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone, and thanks for the header.

    From The Rest is Politics Q&A, a conversation about Palantir (ie Thiel) and their growing work with the German Health sector. Interesting commentary on the UK status, and how it working into the German system - Land by Land. Several minutes.

    And commentary about the uniqueness of the NHS comprehensive medical history in one system. I'm not sure - are there other systems with whole population records going back so far?

    https://youtu.be/z2EYn_jZTf4?t=1612

    Iceland says hello

    https://www.iatp.org/news/iceland-parliament-sells-rights-to-genetic-code
    But Iceland is so interbred, that's like the code of about 8 people...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,679
    isam said:

    This isn’t the greatest look from Kemi; they say no one likes a grass

    Kemi Badenoch gets a student expelled - I haven’t stopped laughing since I read this 🤣 “She has an incredible ability to become more unlikable and less relatable every single time she opens her mouth”

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1953481073339326728?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Her public utterances are nearly as bad for her image as Gregg Wallace bizarre defences of his actions.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,626
    False alarm!

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1953692234517201349?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Is this the sort of smart real world businessman that PBers are always bemoaning the lack of in parliament?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,988

    Trainspotting in Japan (7-second video):-
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TtShYZihagg

    I might be wrong, but I think that's the short Maglev test track they have.

    It has reached a top speed of 375 MPH. Service speed expected to be 311 MPH. Fastest conventional train on a test has reached 357 MPH
    Yes, I think so. Another British invention shut down by our short-sighted government.
    I'm not sure that's all "short-sighted government".

    Look, for example, at current politics around Elon-Musk-chainsaw style cuts, and the impact austerity has had, for example, on the quality of our public realm.

    Short-sighted Govt is driven by a politics demanding short-term decisions.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,679
    edited August 8

    Battlebus said:

    MattW said:

    Good morning everyone, and thanks for the header.

    From The Rest is Politics Q&A, a conversation about Palantir (ie Thiel) and their growing work with the German Health sector. Interesting commentary on the UK status, and how it working into the German system - Land by Land. Several minutes.

    And commentary about the uniqueness of the NHS comprehensive medical history in one system. I'm not sure - are there other systems with whole population records going back so far?

    https://youtu.be/z2EYn_jZTf4?t=1612

    Iceland says hello

    https://www.iatp.org/news/iceland-parliament-sells-rights-to-genetic-code
    But Iceland is so interbred, that's like the code of about 8 people...
    It used to be the case that all the kids in Iceland had an app on their phone and you would bump your phone with somebody who you might fancy have a good time with and it would instantly tell you too closely related or go for it.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,326

    isam said:

    This isn’t the greatest look from Kemi; they say no one likes a grass

    Kemi Badenoch gets a student expelled - I haven’t stopped laughing since I read this 🤣 “She has an incredible ability to become more unlikable and less relatable every single time she opens her mouth”

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1953481073339326728?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    I am of the school that doesn't like a cheat.

    Like the people coming over in little boats to cheat the asylum system.

    I think I know where most Brits are on this.
    Is this the thought she had in her head (boat people = cheats) but failed to communicate it. If so, she has no place in politics.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,293
    I think ‘Your Party’ is a good name and they could do a lot worse than sticking with it

    Whatever the name, it is always going to be your party.

    Join us at yourparty.uk


    https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1953375341105295816?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,025

    In other news, I have a triathlon race on Sunday.

    And last night, we think I dislocated my shoulder. it was only out for a second, then popped back in again. I'd love to say I did it weightlifting during a PT session, or during a swim, but in reality I did it changing the bedding.

    It's sore this morning, but I have full mobility. I'm going to go for a gently bike ride this morning to see if I can ride, and I'll see how the swim goes on Sunday...

    You're saying Woakes is just a wimp ?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,503
    Nigelb said:

    In other news, I have a triathlon race on Sunday.

    And last night, we think I dislocated my shoulder. it was only out for a second, then popped back in again. I'd love to say I did it weightlifting during a PT session, or during a swim, but in reality I did it changing the bedding.

    It's sore this morning, but I have full mobility. I'm going to go for a gently bike ride this morning to see if I can ride, and I'll see how the swim goes on Sunday...

    You're saying Woakes is just a wimp ?
    Who's Woakes?
  • isamisam Posts: 42,293
    edited August 8

    isam said:

    This isn’t the greatest look from Kemi; they say no one likes a grass

    Kemi Badenoch gets a student expelled - I haven’t stopped laughing since I read this 🤣 “She has an incredible ability to become more unlikable and less relatable every single time she opens her mouth”

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1953481073339326728?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    I am of the school that doesn't like a cheat.

    Like the people coming over in little boats to cheat the asylum system.

    I think I know where most Brits are on this.
    There’s nuance to it. Kemi is boasting of snitching on her peers at school, not complaining about illegal immigrants. I quite like her, but it comes across quite negatively I think. People will just think of her as an annoying tell tale kid
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,626
    isam said:

    I think ‘Your Party’ is a good name and they could do a lot worse than sticking with it

    Whatever the name, it is always going to be your party.

    Join us at yourparty.uk


    https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1953375341105295816?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Agree.
    I was idly thinking the other day that Reform was a pretty good choice, promising shiny new change while essentially representing an urge to return to the way things used to be.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,255
    Reminder to MPs and journalists, today is the day that Facebook adds AI indexing to Whatsapp, so remember to change your privacy settings - because of course the “Read all my messages and DMs, and upload them to Facebook’s cloud AI training model” option is the default.

    https://x.com/jamesmelville/status/1953484933500178665
  • isamisam Posts: 42,293

    isam said:

    I think ‘Your Party’ is a good name and they could do a lot worse than sticking with it

    Whatever the name, it is always going to be your party.

    Join us at yourparty.uk


    https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1953375341105295816?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    Agree.
    I was idly thinking the other day that Reform was a pretty good choice, promising shiny new change while essentially representing an urge to return to the way things used to be.
    I wondered whether a big reason ‘Reform’ was chosen was the regularity that politicians of all parties use the word in a positive way

    ‘Britain needs Reform’, ‘Education needs Reform’, ‘The immigration system needs Reform’ etc, it could be that there’s a lot of subliminal pushing of RefUK by their rivals
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,224
    isam said:

    I think ‘Your Party’ is a good name and they could do a lot worse than sticking with it

    Whatever the name, it is always going to be your party.

    Join us at yourparty.uk


    https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1953375341105295816?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    https://politicaladvertising.co.uk/2025/07/27/your-party-a-strong-political-brand/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,025

    isam said:

    I think ‘Your Party’ is a good name and they could do a lot worse than sticking with it

    Whatever the name, it is always going to be your party.

    Join us at yourparty.uk


    https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1953375341105295816?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    https://politicaladvertising.co.uk/2025/07/27/your-party-a-strong-political-brand/
    Not my party.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,025
    That's fascinating, because Jeremy Corbyn is the least intelligent of the lot.

    Fanatical and dogmatic people aren't intelligent or secure; in fact, that's usually why they are fanatical and dogmatic: they can't deal with, process, or adapt to conflicting facts and information but cleave to it as an identity.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,345

    I find it bizarre that more people think Corbyn is intelligent than he is principled. He is as thick as two short planks but he is undoubtedly a true believer in his cause and has been extremely consistent / principled follower. This is the man who divorced his wife than rather agree to send their kids to a selective school.

    He's confident, certain about what he says and therefore impossible to argue with. That means he can do a decent (if phoney) impersonation of intelligence.

    Jez fans I know think he's a genius. That his ideas have never been tried here in our memory helps with that.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,724

    It is interesting how ChatGPT 5 is not really getting much airtime from the media in the UK. Is the hype train dying down?

    This AI shit is more tedious than people telling you about their dreams.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,025

    That's fascinating, because Jeremy Corbyn is the least intelligent of the lot.

    Fanatical and dogmatic people aren't intelligent or secure; in fact, that's usually why they are fanatical and dogmatic: they can't deal with, process, or adapt to conflicting facts and information but cleave to it as an identity.

    Leon thinks Trump is smart.

    Same thing.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,025
    Mine

    CORBYN
    Not intelligent
    Very principled
    Not hardworking
    A lot of change
    Not at all trustworthy
    Doesn't understand plm
    F-ing awful on world stage

    STARMER
    Intelligent (but not as much as he thinks he is)
    Not very principled
    Hardworking
    Not much change
    Not very trustworthy (career comes first)
    Doesn't understand plm
    Not very good on world stage

    FARAGE
    Fairly intelligent
    Fairly principled
    Not very hardworking
    A lot of change
    Not very trustworthy
    Fair amount understands plm
    Pass - possibly fairly well/not well at all
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,809

    In other news, I have a triathlon race on Sunday.

    And last night, we think I dislocated my shoulder. it was only out for a second, then popped back in again. I'd love to say I did it weightlifting during a PT session, or during a swim, but in reality I did it changing the bedding.

    It's sore this morning, but I have full mobility. I'm going to go for a gently bike ride this morning to see if I can ride, and I'll see how the swim goes on Sunday...

    Good morning, everyone.

    Hope you recover enough to be ok, but don't try it if things are bad.

    Bedding can be dangerous. I sprained my thumb moving a quilt once. [I've also had more back problems from dusting than exercising...]
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,503

    In other news, I have a triathlon race on Sunday.

    And last night, we think I dislocated my shoulder. it was only out for a second, then popped back in again. I'd love to say I did it weightlifting during a PT session, or during a swim, but in reality I did it changing the bedding.

    It's sore this morning, but I have full mobility. I'm going to go for a gently bike ride this morning to see if I can ride, and I'll see how the swim goes on Sunday...

    I'd be careful. You don't want to find moving your arm hurts or chest muscle involvement makes deep breathing impossible when you are half a mile from shore. You could ask ChatGPT-5 what it thinks but after last night's thread, I wouldn't bother.
    Since the swim is in a narrow river, if I was half a mile from shore, then I'd be swimming up a hill or through a car park... :)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,025
    What Trump is, of course, is preternaturally persuasive for quite a large percentage of humanity.

    See, for instance:
    https://x.com/TimHannan/status/1953413310147121254
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,988

    That's fascinating, because Jeremy Corbyn is the least intelligent of the lot.

    Fanatical and dogmatic people aren't intelligent or secure; in fact, that's usually why they are fanatical and dogmatic: they can't deal with, process, or adapt to conflicting facts and information but cleave to it as an identity.

    IMO it's not that consistent.

    Counter example: both Peter Thiel and Elon Musk are highly intelligent, but fanatical and dogmatic, and embrace irrational positions.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,224

    Awful numbers for Farage.

    Truly woeful, for our supposed next PM. Go for him, Kemi.

    Kemi's numbers are off the charts. In the sense that they don't even feature.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,988
    edited August 8

    In other news, I have a triathlon race on Sunday.

    And last night, we think I dislocated my shoulder. it was only out for a second, then popped back in again. I'd love to say I did it weightlifting during a PT session, or during a swim, but in reality I did it changing the bedding.

    It's sore this morning, but I have full mobility. I'm going to go for a gently bike ride this morning to see if I can ride, and I'll see how the swim goes on Sunday...

    Good morning, everyone.

    Hope you recover enough to be ok, but don't try it if things are bad.

    Bedding can be dangerous. I sprained my thumb moving a quilt once. [I've also had more back problems from dusting than exercising...]
    I've had a couple of issues just turning over, causing me to be on the max dose of paracetamol or codeine I can get for some days.

    The first time taught me what happens to the bowels when one takes codeine with no laxative at the same time.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,293
    Sandpit said:

    Reminder to MPs and journalists, today is the day that Facebook adds AI indexing to Whatsapp, so remember to change your privacy settings - because of course the “Read all my messages and DMs, and upload them to Facebook’s cloud AI training model” option is the default.

    https://x.com/jamesmelville/status/1953484933500178665

    WhatsApp aren’t having it

    This is not true. Meta AI on WhatsApp can only read what you choose to share with it (it does not have access to all your chats or contacts). Meta AI is not ‘on’ until you choose to use it by messaging it directly or invoking it in an existing chat.

    Your personal messages on WhatsApp are end-to-end encrypted by default, meaning only you and the people you chat with can read or share them.

    Using Meta AI is completely optional on WhatsApp, and you can learn more here:
    faq.whatsapp.com/10025441041269…


    https://x.com/whatsapp/status/1953572523561644256?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,503

    That's fascinating, because Jeremy Corbyn is the least intelligent of the lot.

    Fanatical and dogmatic people aren't intelligent or secure; in fact, that's usually why they are fanatical and dogmatic: they can't deal with, process, or adapt to conflicting facts and information but cleave to it as an identity.

    Intelligence is a rather dubious metric anyway, and very domain-specific. I've seen some undoubtedly highly intelligent people make really dumb mistakes, and people with zero qualifications be rather insightful.

    I've no idea if Corbyn is 'intelligent' or not. He doesn't come across in any way as an intellectual, but neither does he come across as dumb.

    As for 'fanatical and dogmatic': it's a good job there's no-one like that around here... ;)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,809
    MattW said:

    In other news, I have a triathlon race on Sunday.

    And last night, we think I dislocated my shoulder. it was only out for a second, then popped back in again. I'd love to say I did it weightlifting during a PT session, or during a swim, but in reality I did it changing the bedding.

    It's sore this morning, but I have full mobility. I'm going to go for a gently bike ride this morning to see if I can ride, and I'll see how the swim goes on Sunday...

    Good morning, everyone.

    Hope you recover enough to be ok, but don't try it if things are bad.

    Bedding can be dangerous. I sprained my thumb moving a quilt once. [I've also had more back problems from dusting than exercising...]
    I've had a couple of issues just turning over, causing me to be on the strongest paracetamol I can get for some days.

    The first time taught me what happens to the bowels when one takes codeine with no laxative at the same time.
    Yikes.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,724
    isam said:

    This isn’t the greatest look from Kemi; they say no one likes a grass

    Kemi Badenoch gets a student expelled - I haven’t stopped laughing since I read this 🤣 “She has an incredible ability to become more unlikable and less relatable every single time she opens her mouth”

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1953481073339326728?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What the fuck were the tories thinking? They would have been better off with Fabricant.

    The target group for Kemi is non-racist culture warriors who prefer the prospective PM to be utterly devoid of any charm, grace or wit.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,359

    Nigelb said:

    In other news, I have a triathlon race on Sunday.

    And last night, we think I dislocated my shoulder. it was only out for a second, then popped back in again. I'd love to say I did it weightlifting during a PT session, or during a swim, but in reality I did it changing the bedding.

    It's sore this morning, but I have full mobility. I'm going to go for a gently bike ride this morning to see if I can ride, and I'll see how the swim goes on Sunday...

    You're saying Woakes is just a wimp ?
    Who's Woakes?
    There are degrees of shoulder dislocation.
    I've had 2, first was out for several hours and had to have morphine before they could relocate it. Second was a few minutes and it relocated itself. Weeks of physio vs a bit sore.
    Hope you haven't done much soft tissue damage.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,809
    MattW said:

    That's fascinating, because Jeremy Corbyn is the least intelligent of the lot.

    Fanatical and dogmatic people aren't intelligent or secure; in fact, that's usually why they are fanatical and dogmatic: they can't deal with, process, or adapt to conflicting facts and information but cleave to it as an identity.

    IMO it's not that consistent.

    Counter example: both Peter Thiel and Elon Musk are highly intelligent, but fanatical and dogmatic, and embrace irrational positions.
    Sometimes, people can be highly intelligent and deeply unwise. See intellectuals jumping through hoops to try and justify support for communism.

    I quite like that DnD/PF2 have separate stats for Intelligence and Wisdom on that basis.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,503
    MattW said:

    That's fascinating, because Jeremy Corbyn is the least intelligent of the lot.

    Fanatical and dogmatic people aren't intelligent or secure; in fact, that's usually why they are fanatical and dogmatic: they can't deal with, process, or adapt to conflicting facts and information but cleave to it as an identity.

    IMO it's not that consistent.

    Counter example: both Peter Thiel and Elon Musk are highly intelligent, but fanatical and dogmatic, and embrace irrational positions.
    Are they 'highly intelligent' ?

    Perhaps they're both chancers, who got lucky with their timing.

    (Cues @Leon...)
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,345
    MattW said:

    That's fascinating, because Jeremy Corbyn is the least intelligent of the lot.

    Fanatical and dogmatic people aren't intelligent or secure; in fact, that's usually why they are fanatical and dogmatic: they can't deal with, process, or adapt to conflicting facts and information but cleave to it as an identity.

    IMO it's not that consistent.

    Counter example: both Peter Thiel and Elon Musk are highly intelligent, but fanatical and dogmatic, and embrace irrational positions.
    Conclusion: intelligence is less useful than wisdom.

    (Or, the intelligence to solve a specific problem is less useful than the intelligence to work out which problems are and aren't worth solving.)

    (Or, life is too messy to fit in a single number, whether IQ or bet worth.)
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,808
    Dura_Ace said:

    isam said:

    This isn’t the greatest look from Kemi; they say no one likes a grass

    Kemi Badenoch gets a student expelled - I haven’t stopped laughing since I read this 🤣 “She has an incredible ability to become more unlikable and less relatable every single time she opens her mouth”

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1953481073339326728?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What the fuck were the tories thinking? They would have been better off with Fabricant.

    The target group for Kemi is non-racist culture warriors who prefer the prospective PM to be utterly devoid of any charm, grace or wit.
    So she should be leading Labour then?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,224
    Blistering piece this morning from AEP on Trump's disaster economics.

    "The market narrative that the worst is over and that stability will come will surely become a collectors’ item for historians and students of the capitalist psyche. Nothing is ever stable with Trump."

    "He has killed Pax Americana stone dead, destroyed Nato credibility, carpet-bombed the West and smashed the rules-based order to smithereens on every level. Yet asset markets remain insouciantly priced for perfection.

    What can possibly go wrong?"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/08/08/now-brace-for-the-full-fallout-of-trumps-global-shake-down

    And my favourite factoid of the day so far:

    "Property owners in south-west Florida are slashing prices at the fastest rate since the subprime bust in 2007-2008."

    You voted for this shite. Eat your lunch Florida!!


  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,503
    Dopermean said:

    Nigelb said:

    In other news, I have a triathlon race on Sunday.

    And last night, we think I dislocated my shoulder. it was only out for a second, then popped back in again. I'd love to say I did it weightlifting during a PT session, or during a swim, but in reality I did it changing the bedding.

    It's sore this morning, but I have full mobility. I'm going to go for a gently bike ride this morning to see if I can ride, and I'll see how the swim goes on Sunday...

    You're saying Woakes is just a wimp ?
    Who's Woakes?
    There are degrees of shoulder dislocation.
    I've had 2, first was out for several hours and had to have morphine before they could relocate it. Second was a few minutes and it relocated itself. Weeks of physio vs a bit sore.
    Hope you haven't done much soft tissue damage.
    Thanks. I have hypermobile elbows, which have never given me any trouble despite being hypermobile. My PT instructor, and a bike fitter, also noted that my shoulders were slightly hypermobile, which I had never noticed before. Perhaps that's related.

    I had a similar problem with my other shoulder whilst on a hike a couple of decades ago. I was climbing a high deer fence in Scotland; I reached the top, threw my rucksack over, and the movement dislocated my shoulder. I was left hanging from the fence in agony, with my pack on the other side. Fortunately, it relocated itself quickly.

    Oh, and when I went to hospital, the doctor was called Dr Lazarus...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,792

    False alarm!

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1953692234517201349?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Is this the sort of smart real world businessman that PBers are always bemoaning the lack of in parliament?

    That was a Shakespeare in the Park production of Julius Caesar you moron! You killed five actors. Good ones!

    https://youtu.be/kFEK0Sbq4o8?si=HjgSrpM0NojlAsj9
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,626

    That's fascinating, because Jeremy Corbyn is the least intelligent of the lot.

    Fanatical and dogmatic people aren't intelligent or secure; in fact, that's usually why they are fanatical and dogmatic: they can't deal with, process, or adapt to conflicting facts and information but cleave to it as an identity.

    Probably the UK media’s 24/7 propagandising on behalf of Corbyn that has fooled the public into a state of Jezza love.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,443
    A pretty mixed bag with neither Corbyn, Farage or Starmer clearly leading the others overall on those qualities.

    Given the Kemi Tories still lead Corbyn's new party in all hypothetical polls she should also have been included if Corbyn is
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,988
    edited August 8
    An interview by Richard Elliott with Tara Palmieri, who discusses how she thinks Ghislaine Maxwell operated.

    Tara Palmieri is afaics credible, having worked for Politico etc and done much reporting around Epstein for years including with Virginia Giuffre. I don't know much about Tim Elliott.

    Following interviews, including with Maxwell's chauffeur, her thesis is that Maxwell was herself abused / exploited by Epstein, but consciously made a Faustian bargain to be his operative, abusing girls, in return for her lifestyle. To me that is credible as a factor, which does not reduce her responsibility.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuV4UVO7pmI
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,792
    Dura_Ace said:

    isam said:

    This isn’t the greatest look from Kemi; they say no one likes a grass

    Kemi Badenoch gets a student expelled - I haven’t stopped laughing since I read this 🤣 “She has an incredible ability to become more unlikable and less relatable every single time she opens her mouth”

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1953481073339326728?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What the fuck were the tories thinking? They would have been better off with Fabricant.

    The target group for Kemi is non-racist culture warriors who prefer the prospective PM to be utterly devoid of any charm, grace or wit.
    Fabricating Hunt lost his seat, which was extremely funny.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,626

    Blistering piece this morning from AEP on Trump's disaster economics.

    "The market narrative that the worst is over and that stability will come will surely become a collectors’ item for historians and students of the capitalist psyche. Nothing is ever stable with Trump."

    "He has killed Pax Americana stone dead, destroyed Nato credibility, carpet-bombed the West and smashed the rules-based order to smithereens on every level. Yet asset markets remain insouciantly priced for perfection.

    What can possibly go wrong?"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/08/08/now-brace-for-the-full-fallout-of-trumps-global-shake-down

    And my favourite factoid of the day so far:

    "Property owners in south-west Florida are slashing prices at the fastest rate since the subprime bust in 2007-2008."

    You voted for this shite. Eat your lunch Florida!!


    Doesn’t the constant boosterism and fingers in ears of Trump & co while the underlying facts are pretty grim suggest that the crash is going to be epic when fantasy meets reality?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,485
    edited August 8
    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    I think ‘Your Party’ is a good name and they could do a lot worse than sticking with it

    Whatever the name, it is always going to be your party.

    Join us at yourparty.uk


    https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1953375341105295816?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    https://politicaladvertising.co.uk/2025/07/27/your-party-a-strong-political-brand/
    Not my party.
    Well, that's because it's Your Party. 😀
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,792
    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    I think ‘Your Party’ is a good name and they could do a lot worse than sticking with it

    Whatever the name, it is always going to be your party.

    Join us at yourparty.uk


    https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1953375341105295816?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    https://politicaladvertising.co.uk/2025/07/27/your-party-a-strong-political-brand/
    Not my party.
    Well, that's because it's Your Party. 😀
    It's now all about Raisin funds.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,785
    HYUFD said:

    A pretty mixed bag with neither Corbyn, Farage or Starmer clearly leading the others overall on those qualities.

    Given the Kemi Tories still lead Corbyn's new party in all hypothetical polls she should also have been included if Corbyn is

    Davey was of course left out because the media find Lib Dems (who also lead Corbyn’s new party in most polls) boring.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,785
    ydoethur said:

    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    I think ‘Your Party’ is a good name and they could do a lot worse than sticking with it

    Whatever the name, it is always going to be your party.

    Join us at yourparty.uk


    https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1953375341105295816?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    https://politicaladvertising.co.uk/2025/07/27/your-party-a-strong-political-brand/
    Not my party.
    Well, that's because it's Your Party. 😀
    It's now all about Raisin funds.
    Yes, that’s the currant preoccupation.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,808
    MattW said:

    An interview by Richard Elliott with Tara Palmieri, who discusses how she thinks Ghislaine Maxwell operated.

    Tara Palmieri is afaics credible, having worked for Politico etc and done much reporting around Epstein. I don't know Tim Elliott.

    Following interviews, including with Maxwell's chauffeur, her thesis is that Maxwell was herself abused / exploited by Epstein, but consciously made a Faustian bargain to be his operative, abusing girls, in return for her lifestyle. To me that is credible as a factor, which does not reduce her responsibility.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuV4UVO7pmI

    Wasn’t that the same as Victoria Giuffre though, she was abused and then made a Faustian bargain to live the life but bring in new girls to be abused and yet people were very quick to absolve her of responsibility.

    If Maxwell wasn’t the daughter of Bob then she would probably be given a bit more understanding and sympathy as being an abused “victim” and if Giuffre hadn’t allegedly been used by Prince Andrew then maybe people would have had have less sympathy for her as she was useful for attacking him/the royals etc.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,792

    Blistering piece this morning from AEP on Trump's disaster economics.

    "The market narrative that the worst is over and that stability will come will surely become a collectors’ item for historians and students of the capitalist psyche. Nothing is ever stable with Trump."

    "He has killed Pax Americana stone dead, destroyed Nato credibility, carpet-bombed the West and smashed the rules-based order to smithereens on every level. Yet asset markets remain insouciantly priced for perfection.

    What can possibly go wrong?"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/08/08/now-brace-for-the-full-fallout-of-trumps-global-shake-down

    And my favourite factoid of the day so far:

    "Property owners in south-west Florida are slashing prices at the fastest rate since the subprime bust in 2007-2008."

    You voted for this shite. Eat your lunch Florida!!


    Doesn’t the constant boosterism and fingers in ears of Trump & co while the underlying facts are pretty grim suggest that the crash is going to be epic when fantasy meets reality?
    The problem is that the people affected won't be the rich slimeballs like Trump, Musk, Vance who caused it, because they are filthy rich and have a cushion.

    It will be the rest of us.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,785

    Blistering piece this morning from AEP on Trump's disaster economics.

    "The market narrative that the worst is over and that stability will come will surely become a collectors’ item for historians and students of the capitalist psyche. Nothing is ever stable with Trump."

    "He has killed Pax Americana stone dead, destroyed Nato credibility, carpet-bombed the West and smashed the rules-based order to smithereens on every level. Yet asset markets remain insouciantly priced for perfection.

    What can possibly go wrong?"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/08/08/now-brace-for-the-full-fallout-of-trumps-global-shake-down

    And my favourite factoid of the day so far:

    "Property owners in south-west Florida are slashing prices at the fastest rate since the subprime bust in 2007-2008."

    You voted for this shite. Eat your lunch Florida!!


    Doesn’t the constant boosterism and fingers in ears of Trump & co while the underlying facts are pretty grim suggest that the crash is going to be epic when fantasy meets reality?
    Fantasy will never meet reality. The crash will be the fault of the Biden Economy.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,255
    isam said:

    Sandpit said:

    Reminder to MPs and journalists, today is the day that Facebook adds AI indexing to Whatsapp, so remember to change your privacy settings - because of course the “Read all my messages and DMs, and upload them to Facebook’s cloud AI training model” option is the default.

    https://x.com/jamesmelville/status/1953484933500178665

    WhatsApp aren’t having it

    This is not true. Meta AI on WhatsApp can only read what you choose to share with it (it does not have access to all your chats or contacts). Meta AI is not ‘on’ until you choose to use it by messaging it directly or invoking it in an existing chat.

    Your personal messages on WhatsApp are end-to-end encrypted by default, meaning only you and the people you chat with can read or share them.

    Using Meta AI is completely optional on WhatsApp, and you can learn more here:
    faq.whatsapp.com/10025441041269…


    https://x.com/whatsapp/status/1953572523561644256?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    “But we’re Facebook, of course you can trust us with your data, look at our long record of focussing on your privacy, and never changing defaults or terms of service in any way that suddenly and irrecoverably gives us total access to what you thought was supported to be private…”
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,792
    TimS said:

    ydoethur said:

    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    I think ‘Your Party’ is a good name and they could do a lot worse than sticking with it

    Whatever the name, it is always going to be your party.

    Join us at yourparty.uk


    https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1953375341105295816?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    https://politicaladvertising.co.uk/2025/07/27/your-party-a-strong-political-brand/
    Not my party.
    Well, that's because it's Your Party. 😀
    It's now all about Raisin funds.
    Yes, that’s the currant preoccupation.
    It's taking up a grape deal of their time.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,792
    Sandpit said:

    isam said:

    Sandpit said:

    Reminder to MPs and journalists, today is the day that Facebook adds AI indexing to Whatsapp, so remember to change your privacy settings - because of course the “Read all my messages and DMs, and upload them to Facebook’s cloud AI training model” option is the default.

    https://x.com/jamesmelville/status/1953484933500178665

    WhatsApp aren’t having it

    This is not true. Meta AI on WhatsApp can only read what you choose to share with it (it does not have access to all your chats or contacts). Meta AI is not ‘on’ until you choose to use it by messaging it directly or invoking it in an existing chat.

    Your personal messages on WhatsApp are end-to-end encrypted by default, meaning only you and the people you chat with can read or share them.

    Using Meta AI is completely optional on WhatsApp, and you can learn more here:
    faq.whatsapp.com/10025441041269…


    https://x.com/whatsapp/status/1953572523561644256?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    “But we’re Facebook, of course you can trust us with your data, look at our long record of focussing on your privacy, and never changing defaults or terms of service in any way that suddenly and irrecoverably gives us total access to what you thought was supported to be private…”
    It's all protected by theories of Meta Ethics.

    Trouble is, meta ethics is essentially pretentious bullshit.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,266
    TimS said:

    HYUFD said:

    A pretty mixed bag with neither Corbyn, Farage or Starmer clearly leading the others overall on those qualities.

    Given the Kemi Tories still lead Corbyn's new party in all hypothetical polls she should also have been included if Corbyn is

    Davey was of course left out because the media find Lib Dems (who also lead Corbyn’s new party in most polls) boring.
    Its really a comparison of SKS and Grandpa because of the split in Labour. Farage is there as 'dog for scale'
  • TazTaz Posts: 20,151
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,323
    Corbyn is hard working at political protests signing obscure early day motions and gestures, likewise Farage, but would either be trusted to run anything more responsible than a parish council.

    Starmer had heavier responsibilities as Director of Public Prosecutions, and encouraging a fractious party into government, he has been astute enough to hold Labour together whilst the Tories committed political suicide for most of the last five years. I wonder how far voters wanted change versus dull stability in 2024.

    Several Ministers have resigned over the last year, is Starmer's judgement poor, or was there insufficient scrutiny of the appointees.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,443
    Dura_Ace said:

    isam said:

    This isn’t the greatest look from Kemi; they say no one likes a grass

    Kemi Badenoch gets a student expelled - I haven’t stopped laughing since I read this 🤣 “She has an incredible ability to become more unlikable and less relatable every single time she opens her mouth”

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1953481073339326728?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What the fuck were the tories thinking? They would have been better off with Fabricant.

    The target group for Kemi is non-racist culture warriors who prefer the prospective PM to be utterly devoid of any charm, grace or wit.
    Kemi was the clear choice of Tory members and to be fair is doing serious work on policy renewal.

    Fabricant is mini Boris but neither are MPs now
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,478
    ydoethur said:

    Blistering piece this morning from AEP on Trump's disaster economics.

    "The market narrative that the worst is over and that stability will come will surely become a collectors’ item for historians and students of the capitalist psyche. Nothing is ever stable with Trump."

    "He has killed Pax Americana stone dead, destroyed Nato credibility, carpet-bombed the West and smashed the rules-based order to smithereens on every level. Yet asset markets remain insouciantly priced for perfection.

    What can possibly go wrong?"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/08/08/now-brace-for-the-full-fallout-of-trumps-global-shake-down

    And my favourite factoid of the day so far:

    "Property owners in south-west Florida are slashing prices at the fastest rate since the subprime bust in 2007-2008."

    You voted for this shite. Eat your lunch Florida!!


    Doesn’t the constant boosterism and fingers in ears of Trump & co while the underlying facts are pretty grim suggest that the crash is going to be epic when fantasy meets reality?
    The problem is that the people affected won't be the rich slimeballs like Trump, Musk, Vance who caused it, because they are filthy rich and have a cushion.

    It will be the rest of us.
    I think the working assumption for them at the moment is rich white men will be in charge for ever.

    I am not convinced that is true
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,255

    Blistering piece this morning from AEP on Trump's disaster economics.

    "The market narrative that the worst is over and that stability will come will surely become a collectors’ item for historians and students of the capitalist psyche. Nothing is ever stable with Trump."

    "He has killed Pax Americana stone dead, destroyed Nato credibility, carpet-bombed the West and smashed the rules-based order to smithereens on every level. Yet asset markets remain insouciantly priced for perfection.

    What can possibly go wrong?"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/08/08/now-brace-for-the-full-fallout-of-trumps-global-shake-down

    And my favourite factoid of the day so far:

    "Property owners in south-west Florida are slashing prices at the fastest rate since the subprime bust in 2007-2008."

    You voted for this shite. Eat your lunch Florida!!


    Doesn’t the constant boosterism and fingers in ears of Trump & co while the underlying facts are pretty grim suggest that the crash is going to be epic when fantasy meets reality?
    Part of the reason that Trump wants to revisit the Census data, is going to be a renewed focus on the GDP/capita statistics.

    Because if you cut $1trn of Federal public spending and deport several million people, it’s quite likely that the economy will shrink as a result.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,785
    ydoethur said:

    Blistering piece this morning from AEP on Trump's disaster economics.

    "The market narrative that the worst is over and that stability will come will surely become a collectors’ item for historians and students of the capitalist psyche. Nothing is ever stable with Trump."

    "He has killed Pax Americana stone dead, destroyed Nato credibility, carpet-bombed the West and smashed the rules-based order to smithereens on every level. Yet asset markets remain insouciantly priced for perfection.

    What can possibly go wrong?"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/08/08/now-brace-for-the-full-fallout-of-trumps-global-shake-down

    And my favourite factoid of the day so far:

    "Property owners in south-west Florida are slashing prices at the fastest rate since the subprime bust in 2007-2008."

    You voted for this shite. Eat your lunch Florida!!


    Doesn’t the constant boosterism and fingers in ears of Trump & co while the underlying facts are pretty grim suggest that the crash is going to be epic when fantasy meets reality?
    The problem is that the people affected won't be the rich slimeballs like Trump, Musk, Vance who caused it, because they are filthy rich and have a cushion.

    It will be the rest of us.
    I’m not sure it’ll be “us”, unless the impact is global stockmarket collapse. The damage Trump is in danger of doing is actually quite zero-sum, because:

    - His tariff policy increases US domestic inflation, suppresses US demand and should lead to surplus inventories and deflation elsewhere. As the UK isn’t a big exporter this should be net positive
    - His deficit spending should weaken the dollar which will make US oil and gas exports more competitive and put downward pressure on commodity prices, allowing us to cut interest rates further
    - The big danger to us economically is from business and IP drift to the US thanks to their now relatively low corporate taxes and large skilled labour force. A bit of volatility over there should make businesses think twice before upping sticks.

    We need Britain to go on a consumer and investment binge based on cheap dumped products, so this isn’t all bad.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,792
    edited August 8
    Scott_xP said:

    ydoethur said:

    Blistering piece this morning from AEP on Trump's disaster economics.

    "The market narrative that the worst is over and that stability will come will surely become a collectors’ item for historians and students of the capitalist psyche. Nothing is ever stable with Trump."

    "He has killed Pax Americana stone dead, destroyed Nato credibility, carpet-bombed the West and smashed the rules-based order to smithereens on every level. Yet asset markets remain insouciantly priced for perfection.

    What can possibly go wrong?"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/08/08/now-brace-for-the-full-fallout-of-trumps-global-shake-down

    And my favourite factoid of the day so far:

    "Property owners in south-west Florida are slashing prices at the fastest rate since the subprime bust in 2007-2008."

    You voted for this shite. Eat your lunch Florida!!


    Doesn’t the constant boosterism and fingers in ears of Trump & co while the underlying facts are pretty grim suggest that the crash is going to be epic when fantasy meets reality?
    The problem is that the people affected won't be the rich slimeballs like Trump, Musk, Vance who caused it, because they are filthy rich and have a cushion.

    It will be the rest of us.
    I think the working assumption for them at the moment is rich white men will be in charge for ever.

    I am not convinced that is true
    Is Trump a man or a mushroom?

    Although he can't be a mushroom I suppose as he's no sort of fun guy.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,785

    TimS said:

    HYUFD said:

    A pretty mixed bag with neither Corbyn, Farage or Starmer clearly leading the others overall on those qualities.

    Given the Kemi Tories still lead Corbyn's new party in all hypothetical polls she should also have been included if Corbyn is

    Davey was of course left out because the media find Lib Dems (who also lead Corbyn’s new party in most polls) boring.
    Its really a comparison of SKS and Grandpa because of the split in Labour. Farage is there as 'dog for scale'
    I’ve never got the appeal of Corbyn. A poor, clumsy orator, that petulant old-man fussiness thing he has, zero evident charm, and everything about him just seems to come from another distant era. At least Boris had a sense of humour.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,252
    isam said:

    Sandpit said:

    Reminder to MPs and journalists, today is the day that Facebook adds AI indexing to Whatsapp, so remember to change your privacy settings - because of course the “Read all my messages and DMs, and upload them to Facebook’s cloud AI training model” option is the default.

    https://x.com/jamesmelville/status/1953484933500178665

    WhatsApp aren’t having it

    This is not true. Meta AI on WhatsApp can only read what you choose to share with it (it does not have access to all your chats or contacts). Meta AI is not ‘on’ until you choose to use it by messaging it directly or invoking it in an existing chat.

    Your personal messages on WhatsApp are end-to-end encrypted by default, meaning only you and the people you chat with can read or share them.

    Using Meta AI is completely optional on WhatsApp, and you can learn more here:
    faq.whatsapp.com/10025441041269…


    https://x.com/whatsapp/status/1953572523561644256?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    Install Signal https://signal.org/

    It’s WhatsApp without Suckerberg and better security.

    The code is open source - you can even setup your own server, compile your own versions of the apps and have a complete system you control. Which is what several organisations have done.

    If the government ever gets serious out stamping out use of third party systems for comms, a roll-our-own version of Signal, hosted on physical kit in a rack at GCHQ - we could do worse. And it would cost very little
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,443
    ydoethur said:

    Blistering piece this morning from AEP on Trump's disaster economics.

    "The market narrative that the worst is over and that stability will come will surely become a collectors’ item for historians and students of the capitalist psyche. Nothing is ever stable with Trump."

    "He has killed Pax Americana stone dead, destroyed Nato credibility, carpet-bombed the West and smashed the rules-based order to smithereens on every level. Yet asset markets remain insouciantly priced for perfection.

    What can possibly go wrong?"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/08/08/now-brace-for-the-full-fallout-of-trumps-global-shake-down

    And my favourite factoid of the day so far:

    "Property owners in south-west Florida are slashing prices at the fastest rate since the subprime bust in 2007-2008."

    You voted for this shite. Eat your lunch Florida!!


    Doesn’t the constant boosterism and fingers in ears of Trump & co while the underlying facts are pretty grim suggest that the crash is going to be epic when fantasy meets reality?
    The problem is that the people affected won't be the rich slimeballs like Trump, Musk, Vance who caused it, because they are filthy rich and have a cushion.

    It will be the rest of us.
    It will be Vance too if he is GOP nominee next time and loses to a Democrat because of a crash
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,345
    ydoethur said:

    TimS said:

    ydoethur said:

    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    I think ‘Your Party’ is a good name and they could do a lot worse than sticking with it

    Whatever the name, it is always going to be your party.

    Join us at yourparty.uk


    https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1953375341105295816?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    https://politicaladvertising.co.uk/2025/07/27/your-party-a-strong-political-brand/
    Not my party.
    Well, that's because it's Your Party. 😀
    It's now all about Raisin funds.
    Yes, that’s the currant preoccupation.
    It's taking up a grape deal of their time.
    Call the Jeremy Vine show to have your say.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,214
    edited August 8

    In other news, I have a triathlon race on Sunday.

    And last night, we think I dislocated my shoulder. it was only out for a second, then popped back in again. I'd love to say I did it weightlifting during a PT session, or during a swim, but in reality I did it changing the bedding.

    It's sore this morning, but I have full mobility. I'm going to go for a gently bike ride this morning to see if I can ride, and I'll see how the swim goes on Sunday...

    Good luck. I dislocated my shoulder one year about two weeks before the London Marathon. I knew it was hurt but I only realised it was dislocated when I went to buy a fancy t-shirt from a sports shop and the guy there took one look at it and said I should go to A&E (it was a minor Type 1 dislocation)

    In the end it was fine and only a bit uncomfortable for the run so if everything is back in place I wouldn't worry too much.

    Edit: F**k - I see you have to swim also (soz should have spotted the triathlon bit). That could be tricky. 2x good luck.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,224
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Blistering piece this morning from AEP on Trump's disaster economics.

    "The market narrative that the worst is over and that stability will come will surely become a collectors’ item for historians and students of the capitalist psyche. Nothing is ever stable with Trump."

    "He has killed Pax Americana stone dead, destroyed Nato credibility, carpet-bombed the West and smashed the rules-based order to smithereens on every level. Yet asset markets remain insouciantly priced for perfection.

    What can possibly go wrong?"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/08/08/now-brace-for-the-full-fallout-of-trumps-global-shake-down

    And my favourite factoid of the day so far:

    "Property owners in south-west Florida are slashing prices at the fastest rate since the subprime bust in 2007-2008."

    You voted for this shite. Eat your lunch Florida!!


    Doesn’t the constant boosterism and fingers in ears of Trump & co while the underlying facts are pretty grim suggest that the crash is going to be epic when fantasy meets reality?
    The problem is that the people affected won't be the rich slimeballs like Trump, Musk, Vance who caused it, because they are filthy rich and have a cushion.

    It will be the rest of us.
    It will be Vance too if he is GOP nominee next time and loses to a Democrat because of a crash
    Hence the attempts already to rig the result.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,255

    isam said:

    Sandpit said:

    Reminder to MPs and journalists, today is the day that Facebook adds AI indexing to Whatsapp, so remember to change your privacy settings - because of course the “Read all my messages and DMs, and upload them to Facebook’s cloud AI training model” option is the default.

    https://x.com/jamesmelville/status/1953484933500178665

    WhatsApp aren’t having it

    This is not true. Meta AI on WhatsApp can only read what you choose to share with it (it does not have access to all your chats or contacts). Meta AI is not ‘on’ until you choose to use it by messaging it directly or invoking it in an existing chat.

    Your personal messages on WhatsApp are end-to-end encrypted by default, meaning only you and the people you chat with can read or share them.

    Using Meta AI is completely optional on WhatsApp, and you can learn more here:
    faq.whatsapp.com/10025441041269…


    https://x.com/whatsapp/status/1953572523561644256?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    Install Signal https://signal.org/

    It’s WhatsApp without Suckerberg and better security.

    The code is open source - you can even setup your own server, compile your own versions of the apps and have a complete system you control. Which is what several organisations have done.

    If the government ever gets serious out stamping out use of third party systems for comms, a roll-our-own version of Signal, hosted on physical kit in a rack at GCHQ - we could do worse. And it would cost very little
    Yes +1 for Signal, have been using it for years. Functionally similar to Whatsapp, but suffers from the network effect (people use Whatsapp because almost everyone else uses it, which isn’t yet true of Signal). They’ll likely get a bit of a boost this week though.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,224
    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    HYUFD said:

    A pretty mixed bag with neither Corbyn, Farage or Starmer clearly leading the others overall on those qualities.

    Given the Kemi Tories still lead Corbyn's new party in all hypothetical polls she should also have been included if Corbyn is

    Davey was of course left out because the media find Lib Dems (who also lead Corbyn’s new party in most polls) boring.
    Its really a comparison of SKS and Grandpa because of the split in Labour. Farage is there as 'dog for scale'
    I’ve never got the appeal of Corbyn. A poor, clumsy orator, that petulant old-man fussiness thing he has, zero evident charm, and everything about him just seems to come from another distant era. At least Boris had a sense of humour.
    The siren songs of the 1970s seem to appeal to Gen Z.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,780

    It is interesting how ChatGPT 5 is not really getting much airtime from the media in the UK. Is the hype train dying down?

    It’s just not a big leap, by all accounts.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,988

    MattW said:

    In other news, I have a triathlon race on Sunday.

    And last night, we think I dislocated my shoulder. it was only out for a second, then popped back in again. I'd love to say I did it weightlifting during a PT session, or during a swim, but in reality I did it changing the bedding.

    It's sore this morning, but I have full mobility. I'm going to go for a gently bike ride this morning to see if I can ride, and I'll see how the swim goes on Sunday...

    Good morning, everyone.

    Hope you recover enough to be ok, but don't try it if things are bad.

    Bedding can be dangerous. I sprained my thumb moving a quilt once. [I've also had more back problems from dusting than exercising...]
    I've had a couple of issues just turning over, causing me to be on the strongest paracetamol I can get for some days.

    The first time taught me what happens to the bowels when one takes codeine with no laxative at the same time.
    Yikes.
    it's like drinking water 1:1 with beer - I can do without it, but it helps a lot. Of course, YMMV. I just don't do codeine now except for very short periods, unless it's essential.

    (I've never had to go as far as tramadol, fortunately.)

    Constipation was what my mum said caused her most problems when she was in her last month in hospital. She was on heavy doses of painkillers, and no one could do anything other than give laxatives, and it took days and days to loosen things up.

    These days if I have a short spell in hospital - which last happened about 2-3 years ago step one is to get laxatives onto the ward prescription in case a need arises. It can take 24 hours to get through the system without making a fuss - eg at a weekend, and nurses are limited in what they can give without a prescription. And I don't want to take up any unnecessary Dr time.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,266
    edited August 8
    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    HYUFD said:

    A pretty mixed bag with neither Corbyn, Farage or Starmer clearly leading the others overall on those qualities.

    Given the Kemi Tories still lead Corbyn's new party in all hypothetical polls she should also have been included if Corbyn is

    Davey was of course left out because the media find Lib Dems (who also lead Corbyn’s new party in most polls) boring.
    Its really a comparison of SKS and Grandpa because of the split in Labour. Farage is there as 'dog for scale'
    I’ve never got the appeal of Corbyn. A poor, clumsy orator, that petulant old-man fussiness thing he has, zero evident charm, and everything about him just seems to come from another distant era. At least Boris had a sense of humour.
    Im not a fan of any of them at the moment, Starmer is an utterly charmless nasty little snake, Badenoch is weird and not very likeable with a waspish tendency, Polanski if he wins is celebrity communism in action, I cant abide Davey pratting about and Farage is a wide boy arsehole with some iffy mates.
    Corbyn, as you say, is yesterdays obsessive angry outsider now repackaged as the allotment guy with big ideas and he has an army of nut job fellow travellers waiting to pounce
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,763

    ydoethur said:

    TimS said:

    ydoethur said:

    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    I think ‘Your Party’ is a good name and they could do a lot worse than sticking with it

    Whatever the name, it is always going to be your party.

    Join us at yourparty.uk


    https://x.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1953375341105295816?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    https://politicaladvertising.co.uk/2025/07/27/your-party-a-strong-political-brand/
    Not my party.
    Well, that's because it's Your Party. 😀
    It's now all about Raisin funds.
    Yes, that’s the currant preoccupation.
    It's taking up a grape deal of their time.
    Call the Jeremy Vine show to have your say.
    Cor!!, Byn away for a while, what's the news?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,070
    Farage representing change is the only metric that matters here.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,214
    edited August 8
    Dura_Ace said:

    isam said:

    This isn’t the greatest look from Kemi; they say no one likes a grass

    Kemi Badenoch gets a student expelled - I haven’t stopped laughing since I read this 🤣 “She has an incredible ability to become more unlikable and less relatable every single time she opens her mouth”

    https://x.com/sholamos1/status/1953481073339326728?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q

    What the fuck were the tories thinking? They would have been better off with Fabricant.

    The target group for Kemi is non-racist culture warriors who prefer the prospective PM to be utterly devoid of any charm, grace or wit.
    Target group for Kemi is non-racist (perhaps ex-) Cons who are delighted that the Party is able to give a wide range of people the opportunity to be leader. Whether she, or any other politician alive has charm, grace, or wit is another matter. I suspect that if you were sitting opposite her at dinner she would have all those things, as would most politicians, but that on "stage" she has decided to project a particular persona.

    Like many ex-Cons a year after a Lab victory I can't say I've listened to very much of what she has had to say or how she has said it.

    Far too early for that; I couldn't give a stuff and am for the moment (and prob right up until GE minus six months) enjoying the mad fringe activities on both sides.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,988
    edited August 8
    Sandpit said:

    isam said:

    Sandpit said:

    Reminder to MPs and journalists, today is the day that Facebook adds AI indexing to Whatsapp, so remember to change your privacy settings - because of course the “Read all my messages and DMs, and upload them to Facebook’s cloud AI training model” option is the default.

    https://x.com/jamesmelville/status/1953484933500178665

    WhatsApp aren’t having it

    This is not true. Meta AI on WhatsApp can only read what you choose to share with it (it does not have access to all your chats or contacts). Meta AI is not ‘on’ until you choose to use it by messaging it directly or invoking it in an existing chat.

    Your personal messages on WhatsApp are end-to-end encrypted by default, meaning only you and the people you chat with can read or share them.

    Using Meta AI is completely optional on WhatsApp, and you can learn more here:
    faq.whatsapp.com/10025441041269…


    https://x.com/whatsapp/status/1953572523561644256?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
    Install Signal https://signal.org/

    It’s WhatsApp without Suckerberg and better security.

    The code is open source - you can even setup your own server, compile your own versions of the apps and have a complete system you control. Which is what several organisations have done.

    If the government ever gets serious out stamping out use of third party systems for comms, a roll-our-own version of Signal, hosted on physical kit in a rack at GCHQ - we could do worse. And it would cost very little
    Yes +1 for Signal, have been using it for years. Functionally similar to Whatsapp, but suffers from the network effect (people use Whatsapp because almost everyone else uses it, which isn’t yet true of Signal). They’ll likely get a bit of a boost this week though.
    How does this relate to Hegseth and his Signal leak? I think that was a different issue from them inviting the world and his wife to their meeting, which was down to lazy practice and arrogance.

    Was he just being reckless in the setup he had and how he used it?

    Given Hegseth, it would not surprise me if he used a specially compromised version that the 17 year old with the smile in McDonalds had told him was especially secure.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,610
    Sandpit said:

    Blistering piece this morning from AEP on Trump's disaster economics.

    "The market narrative that the worst is over and that stability will come will surely become a collectors’ item for historians and students of the capitalist psyche. Nothing is ever stable with Trump."

    "He has killed Pax Americana stone dead, destroyed Nato credibility, carpet-bombed the West and smashed the rules-based order to smithereens on every level. Yet asset markets remain insouciantly priced for perfection.

    What can possibly go wrong?"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/08/08/now-brace-for-the-full-fallout-of-trumps-global-shake-down

    And my favourite factoid of the day so far:

    "Property owners in south-west Florida are slashing prices at the fastest rate since the subprime bust in 2007-2008."

    You voted for this shite. Eat your lunch Florida!!


    Doesn’t the constant boosterism and fingers in ears of Trump & co while the underlying facts are pretty grim suggest that the crash is going to be epic when fantasy meets reality?
    Part of the reason that Trump wants to revisit the Census data, is going to be a renewed focus on the GDP/capita statistics.

    Because if you cut $1trn of Federal public spending and deport several million people, it’s quite likely that the economy will shrink as a result.
    A ballooning deficit combined with a smaller economy is not usually what success looks like. But hey this is Trumpworld. Different rules apply.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,626

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    HYUFD said:

    A pretty mixed bag with neither Corbyn, Farage or Starmer clearly leading the others overall on those qualities.

    Given the Kemi Tories still lead Corbyn's new party in all hypothetical polls she should also have been included if Corbyn is

    Davey was of course left out because the media find Lib Dems (who also lead Corbyn’s new party in most polls) boring.
    Its really a comparison of SKS and Grandpa because of the split in Labour. Farage is there as 'dog for scale'
    I’ve never got the appeal of Corbyn. A poor, clumsy orator, that petulant old-man fussiness thing he has, zero evident charm, and everything about him just seems to come from another distant era. At least Boris had a sense of humour.
    The siren songs of the 1970s seem to appeal to Gen Z.
    Well no one else is singing any vaguely appealing songs to the poor fuckers.

    'Yes, we have no avocados'
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,934
    LBC reckons the boat deal is sunk already.

    Not a bad idea in principle, but Labour couldn't let go of the various mores, niceties and lawyering that is strangling every other bit of work to try and deal with the situation.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,214
    Scott_xP said:

    ydoethur said:

    Blistering piece this morning from AEP on Trump's disaster economics.

    "The market narrative that the worst is over and that stability will come will surely become a collectors’ item for historians and students of the capitalist psyche. Nothing is ever stable with Trump."

    "He has killed Pax Americana stone dead, destroyed Nato credibility, carpet-bombed the West and smashed the rules-based order to smithereens on every level. Yet asset markets remain insouciantly priced for perfection.

    What can possibly go wrong?"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/08/08/now-brace-for-the-full-fallout-of-trumps-global-shake-down

    And my favourite factoid of the day so far:

    "Property owners in south-west Florida are slashing prices at the fastest rate since the subprime bust in 2007-2008."

    You voted for this shite. Eat your lunch Florida!!


    Doesn’t the constant boosterism and fingers in ears of Trump & co while the underlying facts are pretty grim suggest that the crash is going to be epic when fantasy meets reality?
    The problem is that the people affected won't be the rich slimeballs like Trump, Musk, Vance who caused it, because they are filthy rich and have a cushion.

    It will be the rest of us.
    I think the working assumption for them at the moment is rich white men will be in charge for ever.
    Sorry just arrived on the thread so don't know the context but are we talking about the Labour Party here?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 15,044
    Morning all :)

    Strong results for Reform in yesterday's local council by elections but August contests on often very low turnout can produce exaggerated results if a motivated minority gets out and votes.

    I'm struck not by the differences between Corbyn and Farage but by the similarities. We often talk about the "horseshoe" aspect of politics and those who throw around terms like "left" and "right" do so more as a perjorative than from a sense of any real political analysis (e.g: "lefties").

    In policy terms there are differences but both are offering equally ridiculous yet equally superficially attractive prospectuses and in a time of disillusion and frustration they are getting much more of a hearing than if times were good when they would be relegated to the far margins (or the same margin if you prefer).

    That's the thing about Government and governing - it's not easy and simply waving around ideas isn't the same as a coherent programme. Too often, the pressure is on Government to be seen to be doing something but it ends up being the wrong thing and especially when it has consequences elsewhere.

    Someone once offered the virtues of masterly inactivity - it's not the worst approach on occasion.

    Government is or should be about getting the basics right which for me is or are the administration of law and the provision of public services - the old adage you know you're doing a good job when people don't think you're doing anything at all applies but it doesn't have electoral benefit.
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