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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386
    edited July 31

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    I think you're missing the point people are making about Gails being located in a constituency.

    It's not about what the business itself stands for or whether the owner is a progressive. It's simply that Gails in fact tend to seek to establish themselves in areas which have in fact gentrified, are affluent, and are on a broadly upward trajectory.

    So Gails being in an area is a convenient shorthand for saying that the area is likely to be a good deal better off, more highly educated, and frankly more optimistic than average. That's bad news for Reform and good news for progressives (particularly the Lib Dems in recent times) - and you can track that in terms of results in constituencies with a Gails.
    No, I think you are missing the point...it was a joke based upon a small number of Guardian types getting very upset about them and the same sort of people getting upset about an advert for some jeans.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,158
    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ECB admits no evidence Hundred has attracted new fans to other forms of cricket

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/31/ecb-admits-no-evidence-the-hundred-attracted-new-fans-cricket

    It always looks like there're a lot of fans at the games, but that's probably because the game is so short in terms of time.
    The tickets are very cheap / they give away a lot.
    They should make it almost free to attend county matches and then make money from selling food, drinks, merchandise, etc. It would just look a lot better with people in the stands than 95% empty. £5 for adults for children for example. At the moment it's £20 or £25 but that's still quite a lot of money for ordinary people.
    Is that true?

    Look at the numbers who are charged many hundreds every year (thousands if a family?) to go to football as a walking cash cow, and fall for it.
    Because football is a far more exciting game than cricket and neither does cricket excite the same degree of tribal loyalty as the footie.

    Unless I missed the Gloucestershire County Cricket Club Agreeable Upgrade to First Class Rail Crew calling card when last they played Lord's*.





    *I did not, of course, go to Lord's - just using some artistic licence.
    I find cricket far more exciting than football. Just because you have to wait between balls isn't really an argument imo because no-one uses it against tennis which is similar in that respecet.
    Cricket can be exciting at the end of the match when there is a run chase. But that's about it. The actual game play is deathly boring. Football's game play is very exciting.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,598
    edited July 31
    Eabhal said:

    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    Bad news from Diddly Squat. We’ve gone down with TB. Everyone here is absolutely devastated.
    https://x.com/JeremyClarkson/status/1950911254056272374

    Oh God, please don’t let anything happen to Endgame, he was the star of the last season.
    Test inconclusive, so retest will be needed. Not usually a good sign.
    Bugger.
    So will the next series be cull badgers because they spread TB or don’t cull badgers as it restricts the distances badgers “cover”
    Unfortunately, because we have dithered over what to do about TB in badgers for forty years it's rather too late to deal with the situation whether we cull or don't cull.

    Before he died three years ago my father (who was quite heavily involved in all of this) said that it was so widespread and endemic in badgers that culling would likely not make much difference. Nor would vaccination as there would be no way of vaccinating prior to infection, which normally occurs in the first few days of life.

    So unless a way of vaccinating cattle without compromising their disease-free status can be found, we're a bit buggered, and so far nobody has.

    While if we had culled badgers in TB hotspots thirty years ago, we might have eliminated the problem altogether.

    Well done badger lobby, how to get it spectacularly backwards.
    What you're saying is that the badger population was largely TB-free and now, because we haven't vaccinated cows, the delightful wee critters are all sick? Classic victim-blaming. ;)

    Also out of date. The farmers from my patch are now blasting Bambi to smithereens because they've convinced themselves that's the real reason. They might be right - the deer population has doubled since 1990.
    Er, no, on both counts. You can't vaccinate badgers because the adults infect the cubs before you can get at them with vaccine. And you can't vaccinate cattle because of restrictions on movement and sale due to difficulties distinguishing between infected and vaccinated animals. If that could be properly dealt with the problem would be at an end, pretty much.

    And yes, the badger population was largely TB at one point, but now it isn't because of a failure to shoot out those badgers which provided a reservoir of the disease which allowed it to spread among the whole population.

    If you're telling the truth about deer and it's not just one farmer who's been smoking weed, they are idiots. Deer don't have nose-to-nose contact with cattle, which badgers do ('a deer that smells a cow will be half a field away in seconds') and deer don't piss on nice deep patches of grass that cattle like to eat, as badgers do.

    And do you know, I don't actually find this subject very funny? It's done terrible harm for years, and shows just how nasty, stupid and bigoted a lot of people who pose as 'environmentalists' and 'animal lovers' can be. Ironically, the only member of my family to be infected as a result is a vegan, but hey.
  • Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    I think you're missing the point people are making about Gails being located in a constituency.

    It's not about what the business itself stands for or whether the owner is a progressive. It's simply that Gails in fact tend to seek to establish themselves in areas which have in fact gentrified, are affluent, and are on a broadly upward trajectory.

    So Gails being in an area is a convenient shorthand for saying that the area is likely to be a good deal better off, more highly educated, and frankly more optimistic than average. That's bad news for Reform and good news for progressives (particularly the Lib Dems in recent times) - and you can track that in terms of results in constituencies with a Gails.
    No, I think you are missing the point...it was a joke.
    I tend to take the view that, if I need to explain my joke, it hasn't really landed and that's kind of on me.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,598

    TOPPING said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ECB admits no evidence Hundred has attracted new fans to other forms of cricket

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/31/ecb-admits-no-evidence-the-hundred-attracted-new-fans-cricket

    It always looks like there're a lot of fans at the games, but that's probably because the game is so short in terms of time.
    The tickets are very cheap / they give away a lot.
    They should make it almost free to attend county matches and then make money from selling food, drinks, merchandise, etc. It would just look a lot better with people in the stands than 95% empty. £5 for adults for children for example. At the moment it's £20 or £25 but that's still quite a lot of money for ordinary people.
    Is that true?

    Look at the numbers who are charged many hundreds every year (thousands if a family?) to go to football as a walking cash cow, and fall for it.
    Because football is a far more exciting game than cricket and neither does cricket excite the same degree of tribal loyalty as the footie.

    Unless I missed the Gloucestershire County Cricket Club Agreeable Upgrade to First Class Rail Crew calling card when last they played Lord's*.





    *I did not, of course, go to Lord's - just using some artistic licence.
    What even The Hundred?
    You can get a hell of a thrill anticipating what Vikram Banerjee will say next in its defence.

    It's far harder to predict that than it was to predict his next delivery bowling slow left arm for Gloucestershire. Filthy pies that got carted for four, for the most part.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,158

    TOPPING said:

    Talking of bleedin' liberties, I idly browsed various plays last night (before going to see the fabulous https://www.theglitch.london/in-defence-of-adventurous-mothers, did I mention that?) and I looked at some play about something on in the West End with someone or other famous-ish and the cheapest seat was £78 and the most expensive £150.

    Absurd, but I suppose people pay so it's the market at work. Who are these people would be my question.

    I'm glad you're on board with concerns about wealth inequality.
    All over it. Tax the fuckers.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    I think you're missing the point people are making about Gails being located in a constituency.

    It's not about what the business itself stands for or whether the owner is a progressive. It's simply that Gails in fact tend to seek to establish themselves in areas which have in fact gentrified, are affluent, and are on a broadly upward trajectory.

    So Gails being in an area is a convenient shorthand for saying that the area is likely to be a good deal better off, more highly educated, and frankly more optimistic than average. That's bad news for Reform and good news for progressives (particularly the Lib Dems in recent times) - and you can track that in terms of results in constituencies with a Gails.
    No, I think you are missing the point...it was a joke.
    I tend to take the view that, if I need to explain my joke, it hasn't really landed and that's kind of on me.
    You can't win them all.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,862
    MattW said:

    Local Council Dodginess Update :scream: .

    Checking, the Deputy Leader of Ashfield Council has an extra three lots of criminal convictions from the last 18 months. This follows on from the previous two below, and the ones before that I do not mention.

    He went down the short traffic calmed High Street in his Land Rover Effete, also called Evoque. followed by an unmarked police car complete with blue lights flashing, at 65mph "after a night at the bingo". He then pulled into a petrol station, and reversed into the police car.

    He's built up quite the criminal record over the last decade, the most remarkable being making a police phone call to 999 when arguing with his neighbour about a hot tub, and putting on a "keep ... keep away from me with that knife" pantomime to the emergency operator.

    Meanwhile his neighbours wife was videoing him with his phone.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-63010292

    He now has another three from the last 18 months. Non-disclosure of financial interest, and four our of control dangerous dogs in a public place, and obstructing the police investigating dangerous dogs.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/nottinghamshire-b2490754.html
    https://www.chad.co.uk/news/crime/ashfield-council-deputy-leader-tom-hollis-in-court-over-dangerously-out-of-control-dogs-5194984)


    He's lost a lot of his vote, but still won last time. He is still in post as Deputy Leader, and not disqualified.

    Ashfield does produce them, doesn't it? I believe Jason Zadrozny also has form, so to speak.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,408
    ydoethur said:

    Eabhal said:

    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    Bad news from Diddly Squat. We’ve gone down with TB. Everyone here is absolutely devastated.
    https://x.com/JeremyClarkson/status/1950911254056272374

    Oh God, please don’t let anything happen to Endgame, he was the star of the last season.
    Test inconclusive, so retest will be needed. Not usually a good sign.
    Bugger.
    So will the next series be cull badgers because they spread TB or don’t cull badgers as it restricts the distances badgers “cover”
    Unfortunately, because we have dithered over what to do about TB in badgers for forty years it's rather too late to deal with the situation whether we cull or don't cull.

    Before he died three years ago my father (who was quite heavily involved in all of this) said that it was so widespread and endemic in badgers that culling would likely not make much difference. Nor would vaccination as there would be no way of vaccinating prior to infection, which normally occurs in the first few days of life.

    So unless a way of vaccinating cattle without compromising their disease-free status can be found, we're a bit buggered, and so far nobody has.

    While if we had culled badgers in TB hotspots thirty years ago, we might have eliminated the problem altogether.

    Well done badger lobby, how to get it spectacularly backwards.
    What you're saying is that the badger population was largely TB-free and now, because we haven't vaccinated cows, the delightful wee critters are all sick? Classic victim-blaming. ;)

    Also out of date. The farmers from my patch are now blasting Bambi to smithereens because they've convinced themselves that's the real reason. They might be right - the deer population has doubled since 1990.
    Er, no, on both counts. You can't vaccinate badgers because the adults infect the cubs before you can get at them with vaccine. And you can't vaccinate cattle because of restrictions on movement and sale due to difficulties distinguishing between infected and vaccinated animals. If that could be properly dealt with the problem would be at an end, pretty much.

    And yes, the badger population was largely TB at one point, but now it isn't because of a failure to shoot out those badgers which provided a reservoir of the disease which allowed it to spread among the whole population.

    If you're telling the truth about deer and it's not just one farmer who's been smoking weed, they are idiots. Deer don't have nose-to-nose contact with cattle, which badgers do ('a deer that smells a cow will be half a field away in seconds') and deer don't piss on nice deep patches of grass that cattle like to eat, as badgers do.

    And do you know, I don't actually find this subject very funny? It's done terrible harm for years, and shows just how nasty, stupid and bigoted a lot of people who pose as 'environmentalists' and 'animal lovers' can be. Ironically, the only member of my family to be infected as a result is a vegan, but hey.
    Several of my Welsh ancestors, females, died of TB, largely, allegedly, because they had to stay in the dairy and house and do 'inside' jobs, while their brothers were out on the hills (cattle) and mountains (sheep).
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,402

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    Gail's is just a bit basic isn't it. It's Clapham in bakery form.
    Perfect description of Gail's.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,360

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    I think you're missing the point people are making about Gails being located in a constituency.

    It's not about what the business itself stands for or whether the owner is a progressive. It's simply that Gails in fact tend to seek to establish themselves in areas which have gentrified, are affluent, and are on a broadly upward trajectory.

    So Gails being in an area is a convenient shorthand for saying that the area is likely to be a good deal better off, more highly educated, and frankly more optimistic than average. That's bad news for Reform and good news for progressives (particularly the Lib Dems in recent times) - and you can track that in terms of results in constituencies with a Gails.

    It might be that some affluent progressives actively dislike Gails. But that's pretty irrelevant. Indeed, the reason quite a few affluent progressives have a view on Gails at all is they are quite likely to live near one - if they didn't, they'd be much less likely to care one way or the other.
    At Liverpool Street station (some of whose trains go to Walthamstow!), there's a Gail's and a Greggs right next door to each other!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,122
    edited July 31

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    Id be backing Green/Corbyn myself but we will see if it happens i suppose
    The Tories arent taking it, that much is certain
    We do abut Islington North, Corbyn's seat, and a Your Party-associated candidate (then standing as an independent) came second in the constituency to our south, Holborn & St Pancras. However, the constituency we are perhaps most like and with which we share the longest border is Finchley & Golders Green.
    I guess I'm basing it on progress in 2024 and where I see a 'protest' vote going at the moment. I just think the Green/Corbyn style of London candidate has a better claim at the moment than a LD one and is running ahead on votes last time.LDs have to construct an argument from fourth.
    That said I don't know the area so its entirely feels based
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,686
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,686
    India 5 down as Jadeja goes for just 9 — c Smith by Tongue.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,565
    edited July 31

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    Id be backing Green/Corbyn myself but we will see if it happens i suppose
    The Tories arent taking it, that much is certain
    Not enough single youngsters (other than the well heeled and expat non voters) for the fruit and nuts. The biggest job for the LDs is to be seen as the challenger well ahead of the Greens (or vice versa, I suppose)
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,997
    The one sport which keeps on going despite a little rain - Horse Racing. Well, a slight pause at Goodwood which I know from experience is a fun place to be in a thunderstorm.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386
    Andy_JS said:

    India 5 down as Jadeja goes for just 9 — c Smith by Tongue.

    Is this the same bloke who struggled to even get it on the cut bit earlier on?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,686

    Andy_JS said:

    India 5 down as Jadeja goes for just 9 — c Smith by Tongue.

    Is this the same bloke who struggled to even get it on the cut bit earlier on?
    Erratic is good sometimes. Devon Malcolm springs to mind.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,222
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    India 5 down as Jadeja goes for just 9 — c Smith by Tongue.

    Is this the same bloke who struggled to even get it on the cut bit earlier on?
    Erratic is good sometimes. Devon Malcolm springs to mind.
    If the bowler doesn't know where it's going you can be damn sure the batsman doesn't.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386
    edited July 31
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    India 5 down as Jadeja goes for just 9 — c Smith by Tongue.

    Is this the same bloke who struggled to even get it on the cut bit earlier on?
    Erratic is good sometimes. Devon Malcolm springs to mind.
    Loved Devon Malcolm bowling action.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,402
    I thought the OSA was bad but the EU proposal is even worse. It seems incredibly dystopian and really very flimsy in terms of justification for such overriding surveillance of people's private communications.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386
    edited July 31
    Starmer said in his televised speech on 29 July:

    “Meanwhile, our message to the terrorists of Hamas is unchanged and unequivocal. They must immediately release all the hostages, sign up to a ceasefire, disarm and accept that they will play no part in the government of Gaza. We will make an assessment in September on how far the parties have met these steps.”

    That has now changed. He said today the release of hostages is a “long standing demand, and we are working with others to do everything we can to get those hostages released… We are going to have to assess, in September, all of the factors in relation to recognition, but this is effectively a pathway to recognition.” Jonathan Reynolds was more stark on the BBC:

    “Hamas is a terrorist organisation and we don’t put conditions on them because we don’t negotiate with terrorists.”

    So because they very naughty boys there is no condition they do anything?

    I have no idea why they have wrapped themselves up in this faux 5 tests. They are going to do it at the UN, just like France and Canada have already announced, why the nonsense.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,158

    Starmer said in his televised speech on 29 July:

    “Meanwhile, our message to the terrorists of Hamas is unchanged and unequivocal. They must immediately release all the hostages, sign up to a ceasefire, disarm and accept that they will play no part in the government of Gaza. We will make an assessment in September on how far the parties have met these steps.”

    That has now changed. He said today the release of hostages is a “long standing demand, and we are working with others to do everything we can to get those hostages released… We are going to have to assess, in September, all of the factors in relation to recognition, but this is effectively a pathway to recognition.” Jonathan Reynolds was more stark on the BBC:

    “Hamas is a terrorist organisation and we don’t put conditions on them because we don’t negotiate with terrorists.”

    So because they very naughty boys there is no condition they do anything?

    I have no idea why they have wrapped themselves up in this faux 5 tests. They are going to do it at the UN, just like France and Canada have already announced, why the nonsense.

    Some wag on X noted that Hamas in response should put out a statement saying they don't negotiate with fucking idiots.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386
    MaxPB said:

    I thought the OSA was bad but the EU proposal is even worse. It seems incredibly dystopian and really very flimsy in terms of justification for such overriding surveillance of people's private communications.

    That is what a Jimmy Savile would have said....
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,765
    edited July 31
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    India 5 down as Jadeja goes for just 9 — c Smith by Tongue.

    Is this the same bloke who struggled to even get it on the cut bit earlier on?
    Erratic is good sometimes. Devon Malcolm springs to mind.
    That's another age check. That's over-50s only information.

    It's like Konrad Bartelski at Val Gardena.

    https://youtu.be/S_OAU6tph_U?t=18
  • guybrushguybrush Posts: 264
    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    Gail's is just a bit basic isn't it. It's Clapham in bakery form.
    Perfect description of Gail's.
    But the bread is so much better than supermarket loaves, and there's not exactly a surplus of independent bakeries in my corner of SW London. Why the hate?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,686
    edited July 31
    YouTube have just put a "x4" speed option on videos, which is too fast to listen to, but just discovered it isn't too fast to read subtitles with the sound off if you concentrate hard. Interesting.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,158
    guybrush said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    Gail's is just a bit basic isn't it. It's Clapham in bakery form.
    Perfect description of Gail's.
    But the bread is so much better than supermarket loaves, and there's not exactly a surplus of independent bakeries in my corner of SW London. Why the hate?
    I bought some bread at M&S the other day which had no additives whatsoever. Very rare. And yes, I've just finished reading Ultra Processed People by Chris van Tulekan.

    And if ever there was a directionless shop it has to be M&S Food.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386
    guybrush said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    Gail's is just a bit basic isn't it. It's Clapham in bakery form.
    Perfect description of Gail's.
    But the bread is so much better than supermarket loaves, and there's not exactly a surplus of independent bakeries in my corner of SW London. Why the hate?
    Are we all not still making our own sourdough bread at home every day?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386
    edited July 31
    Andy_JS said:

    YouTube have just put a "x4" speed option on videos, which is too fast to listen to, but just discovered it isn't too fast to read subtitles with the sound off if you concentrate hard. Interesting.

    If you are jacked off your tits on speed that was prescribed for your ADHD like most of the silicon valley its probably just about the right speed for you.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,695

    guybrush said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    Gail's is just a bit basic isn't it. It's Clapham in bakery form.
    Perfect description of Gail's.
    But the bread is so much better than supermarket loaves, and there's not exactly a surplus of independent bakeries in my corner of SW London. Why the hate?
    Are we all not still making our own sourdough bread at home every day?
    I’m still reeling from the shock at the weekend at my local show. Half whole meal, half white loaf entered into the artisan bread class. Only entry. No prize. Not ‘artisan’ apparently. I suggest the judge does not know what artisan means…

    Still grumpy 5 days on.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386
    edited July 31

    guybrush said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    Gail's is just a bit basic isn't it. It's Clapham in bakery form.
    Perfect description of Gail's.
    But the bread is so much better than supermarket loaves, and there's not exactly a surplus of independent bakeries in my corner of SW London. Why the hate?
    Are we all not still making our own sourdough bread at home every day?
    I’m still reeling from the shock at the weekend at my local show. Half whole meal, half white loaf entered into the artisan bread class. Only entry. No prize. Not ‘artisan’ apparently. I suggest the judge does not know what artisan means…

    Still grumpy 5 days on.
    I imagine 2020 / 2021 the same show there was 100 entries....99% of them being sourdough.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,695

    guybrush said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    Gail's is just a bit basic isn't it. It's Clapham in bakery form.
    Perfect description of Gail's.
    But the bread is so much better than supermarket loaves, and there's not exactly a surplus of independent bakeries in my corner of SW London. Why the hate?
    Are we all not still making our own sourdough bread at home every day?
    I’m still reeling from the shock at the weekend at my local show. Half whole meal, half white loaf entered into the artisan bread class. Only entry. No prize. Not ‘artisan’ apparently. I suggest the judge does not know what artisan means…

    Still grumpy 5 days on.
    I imagine 2020 / 2021 the same show there was 100 entries....99% of them being sourdough.
    Sadly not - it’s a very local show.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,862

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    Id be backing Green/Corbyn myself but we will see if it happens i suppose
    The Tories arent taking it, that much is certain
    We do abut Islington North, Corbyn's seat, and a Your Party-associated candidate (then standing as an independent) came second in the constituency to our south, Holborn & St Pancras. However, the constituency we are perhaps most like and with which we share the longest border is Finchley & Golders Green.
    I guess I'm basing it on progress in 2024 and where I see a 'protest' vote going at the moment. I just think the Green/Corbyn style of London candidate has a better claim at the moment than a LD one and is running ahead on votes last time.LDs have to construct an argument from fourth.
    That said I don't know the area so its entirely feels based
    The Westerly part of the constituency, around Queen's Park and Kilburn is younger and more likely to go Your Party / Green. But Belsize Park, West Hampstead and Hampstead itself are all very wealthy areas, and quite a bit older. They are much more likely LibDemmy than Green, and they aren't Your Party at all.

    I suspect that the Labour vote in Hampstead and environs would most go LibDem in protest, and they might even pick up some of the more Remainy Conservatives.

    For Your Party / the Greens to have a serious chance, they would (a) need not to be competing with each other, and (b) would have to flood the seat with activists, leaflets, etc to make themselves the obvious challenger. The LDs are the masters at that; it will be interesting to see if either the Greens or Your Party is able to do similar.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,719
    guybrush said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    Gail's is just a bit basic isn't it. It's Clapham in bakery form.
    Perfect description of Gail's.
    But the bread is so much better than supermarket loaves, and there's not exactly a surplus of independent bakeries in my corner of SW London. Why the hate?
    It's an overpriced chain for people who like overpriced chains.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,719

    guybrush said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    Gail's is just a bit basic isn't it. It's Clapham in bakery form.
    Perfect description of Gail's.
    But the bread is so much better than supermarket loaves, and there's not exactly a surplus of independent bakeries in my corner of SW London. Why the hate?
    Are we all not still making our own sourdough bread at home every day?
    I don't make sourdough but I do use a bread machine to make our own bread and buy 16kg sacks of organic flour online to keep costs down - good quality fresh bread without additives, inexpensive, delicious and takes about a minute to prepare.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,040

    ECB admits no evidence Hundred has attracted new fans to other forms of cricket

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/31/ecb-admits-no-evidence-the-hundred-attracted-new-fans-cricket

    Repackage it with Sweeney
    "Shut it!"
    Sweeney train scenes-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvRB2rVjGh0
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,158
    edited July 31

    guybrush said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    Gail's is just a bit basic isn't it. It's Clapham in bakery form.
    Perfect description of Gail's.
    But the bread is so much better than supermarket loaves, and there's not exactly a surplus of independent bakeries in my corner of SW London. Why the hate?
    Are we all not still making our own sourdough bread at home every day?
    I don't make sourdough but I do use a bread machine to make our own bread and buy 16kg sacks of organic flour online to keep costs down - good quality fresh bread without additives, inexpensive, delicious and takes about a minute to prepare.
    It's quite a stretch to say that sticking a bunch of ingredients into a machine constitutes "mak[ing y]our own bread".
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,813

    guybrush said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    Gail's is just a bit basic isn't it. It's Clapham in bakery form.
    Perfect description of Gail's.
    But the bread is so much better than supermarket loaves, and there's not exactly a surplus of independent bakeries in my corner of SW London. Why the hate?
    It's an overpriced chain for people who like overpriced chains.
    I don't actually like their bread. Other specialist bakers seem to make far better. I do like their sausage rolls though.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,040
    TOPPING said:

    guybrush said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    Gail's is just a bit basic isn't it. It's Clapham in bakery form.
    Perfect description of Gail's.
    But the bread is so much better than supermarket loaves, and there's not exactly a surplus of independent bakeries in my corner of SW London. Why the hate?
    Are we all not still making our own sourdough bread at home every day?
    I don't make sourdough but I do use a bread machine to make our own bread and buy 16kg sacks of organic flour online to keep costs down - good quality fresh bread without additives, inexpensive, delicious and takes about a minute to prepare.
    It's quite a stretch to say that sticking a bunch of ingredients into a machine constitutes "mak[ing y]our own bread".
    Precisely. In any case, it is better to buy half-cooked bread from a supermarket and whack it in the oven.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,043
    edited July 31

    guybrush said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    Gail's is just a bit basic isn't it. It's Clapham in bakery form.
    Perfect description of Gail's.
    But the bread is so much better than supermarket loaves, and there's not exactly a surplus of independent bakeries in my corner of SW London. Why the hate?
    It's an overpriced chain for people who like overpriced chains.
    It’s also useful as for performative “boycotting” to demonstrate you are fighting Der Man.

    Without any of the inconvenience or fuss of actually doing anything.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 56,043
    TOPPING said:

    guybrush said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    Gail's is just a bit basic isn't it. It's Clapham in bakery form.
    Perfect description of Gail's.
    But the bread is so much better than supermarket loaves, and there's not exactly a surplus of independent bakeries in my corner of SW London. Why the hate?
    Are we all not still making our own sourdough bread at home every day?
    I don't make sourdough but I do use a bread machine to make our own bread and buy 16kg sacks of organic flour online to keep costs down - good quality fresh bread without additives, inexpensive, delicious and takes about a minute to prepare.
    It's quite a stretch to say that sticking a bunch of ingredients into a machine constitutes "mak[ing y]our own bread".
    If you are mixing the primary ingredients yourself??
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,755
    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ECB admits no evidence Hundred has attracted new fans to other forms of cricket

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/31/ecb-admits-no-evidence-the-hundred-attracted-new-fans-cricket

    It always looks like there're a lot of fans at the games, but that's probably because the game is so short in terms of time.
    The tickets are very cheap / they give away a lot.
    They should make it almost free to attend county matches and then make money from selling food, drinks, merchandise, etc. It would just look a lot better with people in the stands than 95% empty. £5 for adults for children for example. At the moment it's £20 or £25 but that's still quite a lot of money for ordinary people.
    Is that true?

    Look at the numbers who are charged many hundreds every year (thousands if a family?) to go to football as a walking cash cow, and fall for it.
    Because football is a far more exciting game than cricket and neither does cricket excite the same degree of tribal loyalty as the footie.

    Unless I missed the Gloucestershire County Cricket Club Agreeable Upgrade to First Class Rail Crew calling card when last they played Lord's*.





    *I did not, of course, go to Lord's - just using some artistic licence.
    I find cricket far more exciting than football. Just because you have to wait between balls isn't really an argument imo because no-one uses it against tennis which is similar in that respecet.
    Cricket can be exciting at the end of the match when there is a run chase. But that's about it. The actual game play is deathly boring. Football's game play is very exciting.
    Is it ?
    I find football pretty tedious.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,082
    Let Trump sleep.

    Less dangerous that way.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,158
    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ECB admits no evidence Hundred has attracted new fans to other forms of cricket

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/31/ecb-admits-no-evidence-the-hundred-attracted-new-fans-cricket

    It always looks like there're a lot of fans at the games, but that's probably because the game is so short in terms of time.
    The tickets are very cheap / they give away a lot.
    They should make it almost free to attend county matches and then make money from selling food, drinks, merchandise, etc. It would just look a lot better with people in the stands than 95% empty. £5 for adults for children for example. At the moment it's £20 or £25 but that's still quite a lot of money for ordinary people.
    Is that true?

    Look at the numbers who are charged many hundreds every year (thousands if a family?) to go to football as a walking cash cow, and fall for it.
    Because football is a far more exciting game than cricket and neither does cricket excite the same degree of tribal loyalty as the footie.

    Unless I missed the Gloucestershire County Cricket Club Agreeable Upgrade to First Class Rail Crew calling card when last they played Lord's*.





    *I did not, of course, go to Lord's - just using some artistic licence.
    I find cricket far more exciting than football. Just because you have to wait between balls isn't really an argument imo because no-one uses it against tennis which is similar in that respecet.
    Cricket can be exciting at the end of the match when there is a run chase. But that's about it. The actual game play is deathly boring. Football's game play is very exciting.
    Is it ?
    I find football pretty tedious.
    Yeah but you are weird.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,158

    TOPPING said:

    guybrush said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    Gail's is just a bit basic isn't it. It's Clapham in bakery form.
    Perfect description of Gail's.
    But the bread is so much better than supermarket loaves, and there's not exactly a surplus of independent bakeries in my corner of SW London. Why the hate?
    Are we all not still making our own sourdough bread at home every day?
    I don't make sourdough but I do use a bread machine to make our own bread and buy 16kg sacks of organic flour online to keep costs down - good quality fresh bread without additives, inexpensive, delicious and takes about a minute to prepare.
    It's quite a stretch to say that sticking a bunch of ingredients into a machine constitutes "mak[ing y]our own bread".
    If you are mixing the primary ingredients yourself??
    I mean "mixing"? Placing them in more like.
  • guybrushguybrush Posts: 264

    guybrush said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    Gail's is just a bit basic isn't it. It's Clapham in bakery form.
    Perfect description of Gail's.
    But the bread is so much better than supermarket loaves, and there's not exactly a surplus of independent bakeries in my corner of SW London. Why the hate?
    It's an overpriced chain for people who like overpriced chains.
    The bread seems to cost the same as independents around me. Again, any firm that increases the availability of decent bread is good by me. Gotta beat chicken shops and vape merchants.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,598
    I think it is fair to say that India have not batted well today.

    I always said it was an excellent decision to put them in. Never in doubt.

    *innocent face*
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,082
    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ECB admits no evidence Hundred has attracted new fans to other forms of cricket

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/31/ecb-admits-no-evidence-the-hundred-attracted-new-fans-cricket

    It always looks like there're a lot of fans at the games, but that's probably because the game is so short in terms of time.
    The tickets are very cheap / they give away a lot.
    They should make it almost free to attend county matches and then make money from selling food, drinks, merchandise, etc. It would just look a lot better with people in the stands than 95% empty. £5 for adults for children for example. At the moment it's £20 or £25 but that's still quite a lot of money for ordinary people.
    Is that true?

    Look at the numbers who are charged many hundreds every year (thousands if a family?) to go to football as a walking cash cow, and fall for it.
    Because football is a far more exciting game than cricket and neither does cricket excite the same degree of tribal loyalty as the footie.

    Unless I missed the Gloucestershire County Cricket Club Agreeable Upgrade to First Class Rail Crew calling card when last they played Lord's*.





    *I did not, of course, go to Lord's - just using some artistic licence.
    I find cricket far more exciting than football. Just because you have to wait between balls isn't really an argument imo because no-one uses it against tennis which is similar in that respecet.
    Cricket can be exciting at the end of the match when there is a run chase. But that's about it. The actual game play is deathly boring. Football's game play is very exciting.
    Is it ?
    I find football pretty tedious.
    In isolation football's good. For me the problem is the relentless churn of the same league/cup fixtures. It will never finally be decided who has won the football.

    This is why the World Cup and Euros are the best football. Nice self-contained tournaments every 4 years.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,755
    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ECB admits no evidence Hundred has attracted new fans to other forms of cricket

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/31/ecb-admits-no-evidence-the-hundred-attracted-new-fans-cricket

    It always looks like there're a lot of fans at the games, but that's probably because the game is so short in terms of time.
    The tickets are very cheap / they give away a lot.
    They should make it almost free to attend county matches and then make money from selling food, drinks, merchandise, etc. It would just look a lot better with people in the stands than 95% empty. £5 for adults for children for example. At the moment it's £20 or £25 but that's still quite a lot of money for ordinary people.
    Is that true?

    Look at the numbers who are charged many hundreds every year (thousands if a family?) to go to football as a walking cash cow, and fall for it.
    Because football is a far more exciting game than cricket and neither does cricket excite the same degree of tribal loyalty as the footie.

    Unless I missed the Gloucestershire County Cricket Club Agreeable Upgrade to First Class Rail Crew calling card when last they played Lord's*.


    *I did not, of course, go to Lord's - just using some artistic licence.
    I find cricket far more exciting than football. Just because you have to wait between balls isn't really an argument imo because no-one uses it against tennis which is similar in that respecet.
    Cricket can be exciting at the end of the match when there is a run chase. But that's about it. The actual game play is deathly boring. Football's game play is very exciting.
    Is it ?
    I find football pretty tedious.
    Yeah but you are weird.
    I'd rather be that than a fan of boxing and soccer.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,271

    guybrush said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    Gail's is just a bit basic isn't it. It's Clapham in bakery form.
    Perfect description of Gail's.
    But the bread is so much better than supermarket loaves, and there's not exactly a surplus of independent bakeries in my corner of SW London. Why the hate?
    Are we all not still making our own sourdough bread at home every day?
    I’m still reeling from the shock at the weekend at my local show. Half whole meal, half white loaf entered into the artisan bread class. Only entry. No prize. Not ‘artisan’ apparently. I suggest the judge does not know what artisan means…

    Still grumpy 5 days on.
    Sounds like a plot for Midsomer Murders.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,663
    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ECB admits no evidence Hundred has attracted new fans to other forms of cricket

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/31/ecb-admits-no-evidence-the-hundred-attracted-new-fans-cricket

    It always looks like there're a lot of fans at the games, but that's probably because the game is so short in terms of time.
    The tickets are very cheap / they give away a lot.
    They should make it almost free to attend county matches and then make money from selling food, drinks, merchandise, etc. It would just look a lot better with people in the stands than 95% empty. £5 for adults for children for example. At the moment it's £20 or £25 but that's still quite a lot of money for ordinary people.
    Is that true?

    Look at the numbers who are charged many hundreds every year (thousands if a family?) to go to football as a walking cash cow, and fall for it.
    Because football is a far more exciting game than cricket and neither does cricket excite the same degree of tribal loyalty as the footie.

    Unless I missed the Gloucestershire County Cricket Club Agreeable Upgrade to First Class Rail Crew calling card when last they played Lord's*.





    *I did not, of course, go to Lord's - just using some artistic licence.
    I find cricket far more exciting than football. Just because you have to wait between balls isn't really an argument imo because no-one uses it against tennis which is similar in that respecet.
    Cricket can be exciting at the end of the match when there is a run chase. But that's about it. The actual game play is deathly boring. Football's game play is very exciting.
    Is it ?
    I find football pretty tedious.
    Yeah but you are weird.
    They are BOTH great sports, at their best. But about as different as you can get in the realm of "team sports"

    Football is the best if you want flowing skill, easy-to-understand theatre and heady tribal passion, cricket is the best for prolonged fascination, intricate duels, and an entire satisfying season of competition

    Better than both for minute-by-minute heart-in-mouth blood-and-thunder drama is a top class, well fought match of international rugby union - last week's Lions v Oz was a classic example
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,598
    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ECB admits no evidence Hundred has attracted new fans to other forms of cricket

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/31/ecb-admits-no-evidence-the-hundred-attracted-new-fans-cricket

    It always looks like there're a lot of fans at the games, but that's probably because the game is so short in terms of time.
    The tickets are very cheap / they give away a lot.
    They should make it almost free to attend county matches and then make money from selling food, drinks, merchandise, etc. It would just look a lot better with people in the stands than 95% empty. £5 for adults for children for example. At the moment it's £20 or £25 but that's still quite a lot of money for ordinary people.
    Is that true?

    Look at the numbers who are charged many hundreds every year (thousands if a family?) to go to football as a walking cash cow, and fall for it.
    Because football is a far more exciting game than cricket and neither does cricket excite the same degree of tribal loyalty as the footie.

    Unless I missed the Gloucestershire County Cricket Club Agreeable Upgrade to First Class Rail Crew calling card when last they played Lord's*.


    *I did not, of course, go to Lord's - just using some artistic licence.
    I find cricket far more exciting than football. Just because you have to wait between balls isn't really an argument imo because no-one uses it against tennis which is similar in that respecet.
    Cricket can be exciting at the end of the match when there is a run chase. But that's about it. The actual game play is deathly boring. Football's game play is very exciting.
    Is it ?
    I find football pretty tedious.
    Yeah but you are weird.
    I'd rather be that than a fan of boxing and soccer.
    Is that a euphemism for a Milwall home game?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386
    edited July 31
    Battlebus said:

    guybrush said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    Gail's is just a bit basic isn't it. It's Clapham in bakery form.
    Perfect description of Gail's.
    But the bread is so much better than supermarket loaves, and there's not exactly a surplus of independent bakeries in my corner of SW London. Why the hate?
    Are we all not still making our own sourdough bread at home every day?
    I’m still reeling from the shock at the weekend at my local show. Half whole meal, half white loaf entered into the artisan bread class. Only entry. No prize. Not ‘artisan’ apparently. I suggest the judge does not know what artisan means…

    Still grumpy 5 days on.
    Sounds like a plot for Midsomer Murders.
    As a chemistry professor he also has the knowledge and access to materials required.....everything points to him, but it turns out it was Postman 47....who knocked off the secret former KGB officer now hiding in plain sight as judge at a village fete.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,360
    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ECB admits no evidence Hundred has attracted new fans to other forms of cricket

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/31/ecb-admits-no-evidence-the-hundred-attracted-new-fans-cricket

    It always looks like there're a lot of fans at the games, but that's probably because the game is so short in terms of time.
    The tickets are very cheap / they give away a lot.
    They should make it almost free to attend county matches and then make money from selling food, drinks, merchandise, etc. It would just look a lot better with people in the stands than 95% empty. £5 for adults for children for example. At the moment it's £20 or £25 but that's still quite a lot of money for ordinary people.
    Is that true?

    Look at the numbers who are charged many hundreds every year (thousands if a family?) to go to football as a walking cash cow, and fall for it.
    Because football is a far more exciting game than cricket and neither does cricket excite the same degree of tribal loyalty as the footie.

    Unless I missed the Gloucestershire County Cricket Club Agreeable Upgrade to First Class Rail Crew calling card when last they played Lord's*.





    *I did not, of course, go to Lord's - just using some artistic licence.
    I find cricket far more exciting than football. Just because you have to wait between balls isn't really an argument imo because no-one uses it against tennis which is similar in that respecet.
    Cricket can be exciting at the end of the match when there is a run chase. But that's about it. The actual game play is deathly boring. Football's game play is very exciting.
    Is it ?
    I find football pretty tedious.
    Nonsense! Cricket is FIVE DAYS of absolute tedium. The last match ended in a draw after FIVE DAYS of tedium!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,565

    guybrush said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    Gail's is just a bit basic isn't it. It's Clapham in bakery form.
    Perfect description of Gail's.
    But the bread is so much better than supermarket loaves, and there's not exactly a surplus of independent bakeries in my corner of SW London. Why the hate?
    Are we all not still making our own sourdough bread at home every day?
    I’m still reeling from the shock at the weekend at my local show. Half whole meal, half white loaf entered into the artisan bread class. Only entry. No prize. Not ‘artisan’ apparently. I suggest the judge does not know what artisan means…

    Still grumpy 5 days on.
    Brown at one end and white at the other was maybe a tad too artisan for the judges?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,755
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ECB admits no evidence Hundred has attracted new fans to other forms of cricket

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/31/ecb-admits-no-evidence-the-hundred-attracted-new-fans-cricket

    It always looks like there're a lot of fans at the games, but that's probably because the game is so short in terms of time.
    The tickets are very cheap / they give away a lot.
    They should make it almost free to attend county matches and then make money from selling food, drinks, merchandise, etc. It would just look a lot better with people in the stands than 95% empty. £5 for adults for children for example. At the moment it's £20 or £25 but that's still quite a lot of money for ordinary people.
    Is that true?

    Look at the numbers who are charged many hundreds every year (thousands if a family?) to go to football as a walking cash cow, and fall for it.
    Because football is a far more exciting game than cricket and neither does cricket excite the same degree of tribal loyalty as the footie.

    Unless I missed the Gloucestershire County Cricket Club Agreeable Upgrade to First Class Rail Crew calling card when last they played Lord's*.


    *I did not, of course, go to Lord's - just using some artistic licence.
    I find cricket far more exciting than football. Just because you have to wait between balls isn't really an argument imo because no-one uses it against tennis which is similar in that respecet.
    Cricket can be exciting at the end of the match when there is a run chase. But that's about it. The actual game play is deathly boring. Football's game play is very exciting.
    Is it ?
    I find football pretty tedious.
    Yeah but you are weird.
    I'd rather be that than a fan of boxing and soccer.
    Is that a euphemism for a Milwall home game?
    I don't care enough to have intended that, but fair point.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,233
    edited July 31
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    Id be backing Green/Corbyn myself but we will see if it happens i suppose
    The Tories arent taking it, that much is certain
    We do abut Islington North, Corbyn's seat, and a Your Party-associated candidate (then standing as an independent) came second in the constituency to our south, Holborn & St Pancras. However, the constituency we are perhaps most like and with which we share the longest border is Finchley & Golders Green.
    I guess I'm basing it on progress in 2024 and where I see a 'protest' vote going at the moment. I just think the Green/Corbyn style of London candidate has a better claim at the moment than a LD one and is running ahead on votes last time.LDs have to construct an argument from fourth.
    That said I don't know the area so its entirely feels based
    The Westerly part of the constituency, around Queen's Park and Kilburn is younger and more likely to go Your Party / Green. But Belsize Park, West Hampstead and Hampstead itself are all very wealthy areas, and quite a bit older. They are much more likely LibDemmy than Green, and they aren't Your Party at all.

    I suspect that the Labour vote in Hampstead and environs would most go LibDem in protest, and they might even pick up some of the more Remainy Conservatives.

    For Your Party / the Greens to have a serious chance, they would (a) need not to be competing with each other, and (b) would have to flood the seat with activists, leaflets, etc to make themselves the obvious challenger. The LDs are the masters at that; it will be interesting to see if either the Greens or Your Party is able to do similar.
    Hampstead town certainly won't go YourParty, indeed the Tories came top in the ward even in 2022 and the Tories were still second in Hampstead and Highgate at the general election with the Greens third, just ahead of the LDs
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,755
    edited July 31
    The White House puts out an executive order declaring that as a result of a "national emergency", de minimis duty free deliveries from any other country are suspended indefinitely.
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/07/suspending-duty-free-de-minimis-treatment-for-all-countries/

    Minimum charge of somewhere between $80 and $200 on any item, no matter how low in value.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386
    Nigelb said:

    The White House puts out an executive order declaring that as a result of a "national emergency", de minimis duty free deliveries from any other country are suspended indefinitely.
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/07/suspending-duty-free-de-minimis-treatment-for-all-countries/

    I thought they had already been stopped?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,040
    Combining our favourite topics, YouTube is using AI to estimate users' ages:-

    Here’s how it works
    We will use AI to interpret a variety of signals that help us to determine whether a user is over or under 18. These signals include the types of videos a user is searching for, the categories of videos they have watched, or the longevity of the account.

    https://blog.youtube/news-and-events/extending-our-built-in-protections-to-more-teens-on-youtube/

    Note this is aimed at the American market.
  • spudgfshspudgfsh Posts: 1,577

    I've been going through a messy divorce, and bumped into my soon-to-be ex-wife at a party recently. We started arguing about who should get the kids, I got angry and threw a trifle over her. So she got custardy.

    That did get messy
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,755

    Nigelb said:

    The White House puts out an executive order declaring that as a result of a "national emergency", de minimis duty free deliveries from any other country are suspended indefinitely.
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/07/suspending-duty-free-de-minimis-treatment-for-all-countries/

    I thought they had already been stopped?
    From China and Canada.
    Now the whole world.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,040
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    The White House puts out an executive order declaring that as a result of a "national emergency", de minimis duty free deliveries from any other country are suspended indefinitely.
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/07/suspending-duty-free-de-minimis-treatment-for-all-countries/

    I thought they had already been stopped?
    From China and Canada.
    Now the whole world.
    The vaguely interesting part is someone on Team Trump has noticed there has to be a national emergency before he can blow up the homestead.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,144

    I've been going through a messy divorce, and bumped into my soon-to-be ex-wife at a party recently. We started arguing about who should get the kids, I got angry and threw a trifle over her. So she got custardy.

    She’s obviously not a woman to be trifled with.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    The White House puts out an executive order declaring that as a result of a "national emergency", de minimis duty free deliveries from any other country are suspended indefinitely.
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/07/suspending-duty-free-de-minimis-treatment-for-all-countries/

    I thought they had already been stopped?
    From China and Canada.
    Now the whole world.
    Wonder what the logic is (yes I know, its Trump)....Were China sending them somewhere first and then having them reshipped?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,144
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    Id be backing Green/Corbyn myself but we will see if it happens i suppose
    The Tories arent taking it, that much is certain
    We do abut Islington North, Corbyn's seat, and a Your Party-associated candidate (then standing as an independent) came second in the constituency to our south, Holborn & St Pancras. However, the constituency we are perhaps most like and with which we share the longest border is Finchley & Golders Green.
    I guess I'm basing it on progress in 2024 and where I see a 'protest' vote going at the moment. I just think the Green/Corbyn style of London candidate has a better claim at the moment than a LD one and is running ahead on votes last time.LDs have to construct an argument from fourth.
    That said I don't know the area so its entirely feels based
    The Westerly part of the constituency, around Queen's Park and Kilburn is younger and more likely to go Your Party / Green. But Belsize Park, West Hampstead and Hampstead itself are all very wealthy areas, and quite a bit older. They are much more likely LibDemmy than Green, and they aren't Your Party at all.

    I suspect that the Labour vote in Hampstead and environs would most go LibDem in protest, and they might even pick up some of the more Remainy Conservatives.

    For Your Party / the Greens to have a serious chance, they would (a) need not to be competing with each other, and (b) would have to flood the seat with activists, leaflets, etc to make themselves the obvious challenger. The LDs are the masters at that; it will be interesting to see if either the Greens or Your Party is able to do similar.
    Hampstead town certainly won't go YourParty, indeed the Tories came top in the ward even in 2022 and the Tories were still second in Hampstead and Highgate at the general election with the Greens third, just ahead of the LDs
    It’s a seat where the Corbynsultanas have to do well, even if they don’t win, if they want to build any credibility.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,755

    I've been going through a messy divorce, and bumped into my soon-to-be ex-wife at a party recently. We started arguing about who should get the kids, I got angry and threw a trifle over her. So she got custardy.

    I told a friend I got the "Leslie Nielsen" award at school.
    "What's that ?"
    "A large building with lots of kids in it, but that doesn't matter right now."
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 32,040

    guybrush said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    No, this is not a Reform UK-y type of place. And do you know how many Gail's we have?

    (I don't know how many Gail's we have, but I think it's 5.)
    I thought Gails were the Sydney Sweeney of bakeries these days for progressives?
    What's wrong with Gail's? (I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of things wrong with Gail's,* but to what are you referring?)

    * I can't eat gluten. Like the SNP on votes on English matters, I excuse myself from taking a view.
    The owner of Gails has views that many of the left don't like and also the general gentrification / squeezing out local businesses has led to some backlash.

    I never liked Gail’s but that’s not why I’m opposed’: Walthamstow’s revolt

    last week this desirable corner of north-east London hit the news with a change.org petition to prevent the upmarket cafe and bakery chain Gail’s,

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/18/i-never-liked-gails-but-thats-not-why-im-opposed-walthamstows-revolt-and-the-awkward-paradox-for-middle-class-london
    Gail's is just a bit basic isn't it. It's Clapham in bakery form.
    Perfect description of Gail's.
    But the bread is so much better than supermarket loaves, and there's not exactly a surplus of independent bakeries in my corner of SW London. Why the hate?
    Are we all not still making our own sourdough bread at home every day?
    I’m still reeling from the shock at the weekend at my local show. Half whole meal, half white loaf entered into the artisan bread class. Only entry. No prize. Not ‘artisan’ apparently. I suggest the judge does not know what artisan means…

    Still grumpy 5 days on.
    You need psychology not chemistry. If there are lots of roughly similar entries, the gimmicky one will win, in this case your half-and-half loaf. If there are few or only one entry, the best conventional entry will win.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,598

    I've been going through a messy divorce, and bumped into my soon-to-be ex-wife at a party recently. We started arguing about who should get the kids, I got angry and threw a trifle over her. So she got custardy.

    Did she want jam on it?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,755

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ECB admits no evidence Hundred has attracted new fans to other forms of cricket

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/31/ecb-admits-no-evidence-the-hundred-attracted-new-fans-cricket

    It always looks like there're a lot of fans at the games, but that's probably because the game is so short in terms of time.
    The tickets are very cheap / they give away a lot.
    They should make it almost free to attend county matches and then make money from selling food, drinks, merchandise, etc. It would just look a lot better with people in the stands than 95% empty. £5 for adults for children for example. At the moment it's £20 or £25 but that's still quite a lot of money for ordinary people.
    Is that true?

    Look at the numbers who are charged many hundreds every year (thousands if a family?) to go to football as a walking cash cow, and fall for it.
    Because football is a far more exciting game than cricket and neither does cricket excite the same degree of tribal loyalty as the footie.

    Unless I missed the Gloucestershire County Cricket Club Agreeable Upgrade to First Class Rail Crew calling card when last they played Lord's*.

    *I did not, of course, go to Lord's - just using some artistic licence.
    I find cricket far more exciting than football. Just because you have to wait between balls isn't really an argument imo because no-one uses it against tennis which is similar in that respecet.
    Cricket can be exciting at the end of the match when there is a run chase. But that's about it. The actual game play is deathly boring. Football's game play is very exciting.
    Is it ?
    I find football pretty tedious.
    Nonsense! Cricket is FIVE DAYS of absolute tedium. The last match ended in a draw after FIVE DAYS of tedium!
    Test cricket is much better than Nonsense! Cricket.
    What were you doing watching The Hundred, anyway ?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,144

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ECB admits no evidence Hundred has attracted new fans to other forms of cricket

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/31/ecb-admits-no-evidence-the-hundred-attracted-new-fans-cricket

    It always looks like there're a lot of fans at the games, but that's probably because the game is so short in terms of time.
    The tickets are very cheap / they give away a lot.
    They should make it almost free to attend county matches and then make money from selling food, drinks, merchandise, etc. It would just look a lot better with people in the stands than 95% empty. £5 for adults for children for example. At the moment it's £20 or £25 but that's still quite a lot of money for ordinary people.
    Is that true?

    Look at the numbers who are charged many hundreds every year (thousands if a family?) to go to football as a walking cash cow, and fall for it.
    Because football is a far more exciting game than cricket and neither does cricket excite the same degree of tribal loyalty as the footie.

    Unless I missed the Gloucestershire County Cricket Club Agreeable Upgrade to First Class Rail Crew calling card when last they played Lord's*.





    *I did not, of course, go to Lord's - just using some artistic licence.
    I find cricket far more exciting than football. Just because you have to wait between balls isn't really an argument imo because no-one uses it against tennis which is similar in that respecet.
    Cricket can be exciting at the end of the match when there is a run chase. But that's about it. The actual game play is deathly boring. Football's game play is very exciting.
    Is it ?
    I find football pretty tedious.
    In isolation football's good. For me the problem is the relentless churn of the same league/cup fixtures. It will never finally be decided who has won the football.

    This is why the World Cup and Euros are the best football. Nice self-contained tournaments every 4 years.
    The concentration of money in a few teams and countries makes it more repetitive and boring. I hope there’s a backlash and more teams have a chance of success.
  • OT - Why would the President need to listen to other people? Especially when they acepted roles in his Government and so self-select as his obvious inferiors. Clearly the President is wisely husbanding his resources while contemplating his magnificent next five-D chess strategic moves.

    Or perhaps he's just remembering the good old days with Jeffrey and Ghislaine.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,598

    I've been going through a messy divorce, and bumped into my soon-to-be ex-wife at a party recently. We started arguing about who should get the kids, I got angry and threw a trifle over her. So she got custardy.

    I dreamt last night that I was visited by the ghost of Gloria Gaynor. First I was afraid, then I was petrified.
    But you did survive.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,144

    I've been going through a messy divorce, and bumped into my soon-to-be ex-wife at a party recently. We started arguing about who should get the kids, I got angry and threw a trifle over her. So she got custardy.

    I dreamt last night that I was visited by the ghost of Gloria Gaynor. First I was afraid, then I was petrified.
    Did you survive?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,606
    Eabhal said:

    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    Bad news from Diddly Squat. We’ve gone down with TB. Everyone here is absolutely devastated.
    https://x.com/JeremyClarkson/status/1950911254056272374

    Oh God, please don’t let anything happen to Endgame, he was the star of the last season.
    Test inconclusive, so retest will be needed. Not usually a good sign.
    Bugger.
    So will the next series be cull badgers because they spread TB or don’t cull badgers as it restricts the distances badgers “cover”
    Unfortunately, because we have dithered over what to do about TB in badgers for forty years it's rather too late to deal with the situation whether we cull or don't cull.

    Before he died three years ago my father (who was quite heavily involved in all of this) said that it was so widespread and endemic in badgers that culling would likely not make much difference. Nor would vaccination as there would be no way of vaccinating prior to infection, which normally occurs in the first few days of life.

    So unless a way of vaccinating cattle without compromising their disease-free status can be found, we're a bit buggered, and so far nobody has.

    While if we had culled badgers in TB hotspots thirty years ago, we might have eliminated the problem altogether.

    Well done badger lobby, how to get it spectacularly backwards.
    What you're saying is that the badger population was largely TB-free and now, because we haven't vaccinated cows, the delightful wee critters are all sick? Classic victim-blaming. ;)

    Also out of date. The farmers from my patch are now blasting Bambi to smithereens because they've convinced themselves that's the real reason. They might be right - the deer population has doubled since 1990.
    Thought you lived in a flat in Edinburgh, or do you have a country retreat as well as your millionaire pad.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,158
    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ECB admits no evidence Hundred has attracted new fans to other forms of cricket

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/31/ecb-admits-no-evidence-the-hundred-attracted-new-fans-cricket

    It always looks like there're a lot of fans at the games, but that's probably because the game is so short in terms of time.
    The tickets are very cheap / they give away a lot.
    They should make it almost free to attend county matches and then make money from selling food, drinks, merchandise, etc. It would just look a lot better with people in the stands than 95% empty. £5 for adults for children for example. At the moment it's £20 or £25 but that's still quite a lot of money for ordinary people.
    Is that true?

    Look at the numbers who are charged many hundreds every year (thousands if a family?) to go to football as a walking cash cow, and fall for it.
    Because football is a far more exciting game than cricket and neither does cricket excite the same degree of tribal loyalty as the footie.

    Unless I missed the Gloucestershire County Cricket Club Agreeable Upgrade to First Class Rail Crew calling card when last they played Lord's*.


    *I did not, of course, go to Lord's - just using some artistic licence.
    I find cricket far more exciting than football. Just because you have to wait between balls isn't really an argument imo because no-one uses it against tennis which is similar in that respecet.
    Cricket can be exciting at the end of the match when there is a run chase. But that's about it. The actual game play is deathly boring. Football's game play is very exciting.
    Is it ?
    I find football pretty tedious.
    Yeah but you are weird.
    I'd rather be that than a fan of boxing and soccer.
    See. That's just a weird response.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,233
    edited July 31

    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Tulip Siddiq to face corruption trial in Bangladesh
    Former anti-corruption minister is alleged to have illegally received land from despot aunt’s government"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/31/tulip-siddiq-corruption-trial-bangladesh-labour-hasina

    Hampstead and Highgate. GREEN/YOURPARTY GAIN
    The area has more LibDem councillors than Green ones. I think it goes Lab, LibDem, Con, Green. The local LibDems have selected a candidate already.

    At the general election, it was...

    Labour 48%
    Conservative 17%
    Green 14%
    Liberal Democrats 13%
    Reform UK 6%
    Rejoin EU 1%
    Independent 1%
    In by-election conditions, I think that the Lib Dems would take it.

    In theory, Reform might hit second place, but I expect any increase in their vote will lag far behind the national average.
    Id be backing Green/Corbyn myself but we will see if it happens i suppose
    The Tories arent taking it, that much is certain
    We do abut Islington North, Corbyn's seat, and a Your Party-associated candidate (then standing as an independent) came second in the constituency to our south, Holborn & St Pancras. However, the constituency we are perhaps most like and with which we share the longest border is Finchley & Golders Green.
    I guess I'm basing it on progress in 2024 and where I see a 'protest' vote going at the moment. I just think the Green/Corbyn style of London candidate has a better claim at the moment than a LD one and is running ahead on votes last time.LDs have to construct an argument from fourth.
    That said I don't know the area so its entirely feels based
    The Westerly part of the constituency, around Queen's Park and Kilburn is younger and more likely to go Your Party / Green. But Belsize Park, West Hampstead and Hampstead itself are all very wealthy areas, and quite a bit older. They are much more likely LibDemmy than Green, and they aren't Your Party at all.

    I suspect that the Labour vote in Hampstead and environs would most go LibDem in protest, and they might even pick up some of the more Remainy Conservatives.

    For Your Party / the Greens to have a serious chance, they would (a) need not to be competing with each other, and (b) would have to flood the seat with activists, leaflets, etc to make themselves the obvious challenger. The LDs are the masters at that; it will be interesting to see if either the Greens or Your Party is able to do similar.
    Hampstead town certainly won't go YourParty, indeed the Tories came top in the ward even in 2022 and the Tories were still second in Hampstead and Highgate at the general election with the Greens third, just ahead of the LDs
    It’s a seat where the Corbynsultanas have to do well, even if they don’t win, if they want to build any credibility.
    They could get up to a third of the vote there but remember Hampstead and Highgate had a Tory MP until 1992 and when Cameron was Tory leader the Conservatives were just 91 votes from taking Hampstead and Kilburn from Labour in 2010.

    It is not a hard left constituency, more a posh liberal/social democrat very Remain seat.

    Seats in inner city Birmingham, Manchester, East London etc will be better prospects for a Corbyn party
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,434
    edited July 31
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ECB admits no evidence Hundred has attracted new fans to other forms of cricket

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/31/ecb-admits-no-evidence-the-hundred-attracted-new-fans-cricket

    It always looks like there're a lot of fans at the games, but that's probably because the game is so short in terms of time.
    The tickets are very cheap / they give away a lot.
    They should make it almost free to attend county matches and then make money from selling food, drinks, merchandise, etc. It would just look a lot better with people in the stands than 95% empty. £5 for adults for children for example. At the moment it's £20 or £25 but that's still quite a lot of money for ordinary people.
    People are quite willing to pay to go to football, movies, mid-market restaurants, theatre etc.

    The problem is that there are a dwindling number of people motivated to spend their day watching it.

    If it wasn't for immigration from the sub-continent I would have thought domestic cricket would be pretty much extinct now.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,144
    malcolmg said:

    Eabhal said:

    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    Bad news from Diddly Squat. We’ve gone down with TB. Everyone here is absolutely devastated.
    https://x.com/JeremyClarkson/status/1950911254056272374

    Oh God, please don’t let anything happen to Endgame, he was the star of the last season.
    Test inconclusive, so retest will be needed. Not usually a good sign.
    Bugger.
    So will the next series be cull badgers because they spread TB or don’t cull badgers as it restricts the distances badgers “cover”
    Unfortunately, because we have dithered over what to do about TB in badgers for forty years it's rather too late to deal with the situation whether we cull or don't cull.

    Before he died three years ago my father (who was quite heavily involved in all of this) said that it was so widespread and endemic in badgers that culling would likely not make much difference. Nor would vaccination as there would be no way of vaccinating prior to infection, which normally occurs in the first few days of life.

    So unless a way of vaccinating cattle without compromising their disease-free status can be found, we're a bit buggered, and so far nobody has.

    While if we had culled badgers in TB hotspots thirty years ago, we might have eliminated the problem altogether.

    Well done badger lobby, how to get it spectacularly backwards.
    What you're saying is that the badger population was largely TB-free and now, because we haven't vaccinated cows, the delightful wee critters are all sick? Classic victim-blaming. ;)

    Also out of date. The farmers from my patch are now blasting Bambi to smithereens because they've convinced themselves that's the real reason. They might be right - the deer population has doubled since 1990.
    Thought you lived in a flat in Edinburgh, or do you have a country retreat as well as your millionaire pad.
    I know deer can jump high, but I didn’t realise they could get three up!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,755
    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ECB admits no evidence Hundred has attracted new fans to other forms of cricket

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/31/ecb-admits-no-evidence-the-hundred-attracted-new-fans-cricket

    It always looks like there're a lot of fans at the games, but that's probably because the game is so short in terms of time.
    The tickets are very cheap / they give away a lot.
    They should make it almost free to attend county matches and then make money from selling food, drinks, merchandise, etc. It would just look a lot better with people in the stands than 95% empty. £5 for adults for children for example. At the moment it's £20 or £25 but that's still quite a lot of money for ordinary people.
    Is that true?

    Look at the numbers who are charged many hundreds every year (thousands if a family?) to go to football as a walking cash cow, and fall for it.
    Because football is a far more exciting game than cricket and neither does cricket excite the same degree of tribal loyalty as the footie.

    Unless I missed the Gloucestershire County Cricket Club Agreeable Upgrade to First Class Rail Crew calling card when last they played Lord's*.


    *I did not, of course, go to Lord's - just using some artistic licence.
    I find cricket far more exciting than football. Just because you have to wait between balls isn't really an argument imo because no-one uses it against tennis which is similar in that respecet.
    Cricket can be exciting at the end of the match when there is a run chase. But that's about it. The actual game play is deathly boring. Football's game play is very exciting.
    Is it ?
    I find football pretty tedious.
    Yeah but you are weird.
    I'd rather be that than a fan of boxing and soccer.
    See. That's just a weird response.
    And that, tediously predictable.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386
    edited July 31
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ECB admits no evidence Hundred has attracted new fans to other forms of cricket

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/31/ecb-admits-no-evidence-the-hundred-attracted-new-fans-cricket

    It always looks like there're a lot of fans at the games, but that's probably because the game is so short in terms of time.
    The tickets are very cheap / they give away a lot.
    They should make it almost free to attend county matches and then make money from selling food, drinks, merchandise, etc. It would just look a lot better with people in the stands than 95% empty. £5 for adults for children for example. At the moment it's £20 or £25 but that's still quite a lot of money for ordinary people.
    People are quite willing to pay to go to football, movies, mid-market restaurants, theatre etc.

    The problem is that there are a dwindling number of people motivated to spend their day watching it.

    If it wasn't for immigration from the sub-continent I would have thought domestic cricket would be pretty much extinct now.
    During COVID, the counties invested in showing games on YouTube and they were rather popular. Somewhat surprisingly they are still, streams are getting 5-10k viewers. My guess would it is older people who can't manage a whole day at the venue perhaps through ill health and also the cost.

    As for Asians at domestic cricket matches, I don't know in general the crowds still seem very white for county cricket / T20. More mixed at the Hundred and obviously if India / Pakistan are playing ODI / Test.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,066
    Chris Woakes, ouch.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,434

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ECB admits no evidence Hundred has attracted new fans to other forms of cricket

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/31/ecb-admits-no-evidence-the-hundred-attracted-new-fans-cricket

    It always looks like there're a lot of fans at the games, but that's probably because the game is so short in terms of time.
    The tickets are very cheap / they give away a lot.
    They should make it almost free to attend county matches and then make money from selling food, drinks, merchandise, etc. It would just look a lot better with people in the stands than 95% empty. £5 for adults for children for example. At the moment it's £20 or £25 but that's still quite a lot of money for ordinary people.
    Is that true?

    Look at the numbers who are charged many hundreds every year (thousands if a family?) to go to football as a walking cash cow, and fall for it.
    Because football is a far more exciting game than cricket and neither does cricket excite the same degree of tribal loyalty as the footie.

    Unless I missed the Gloucestershire County Cricket Club Agreeable Upgrade to First Class Rail Crew calling card when last they played Lord's*.





    *I did not, of course, go to Lord's - just using some artistic licence.
    I find cricket far more exciting than football. Just because you have to wait between balls isn't really an argument imo because no-one uses it against tennis which is similar in that respecet.
    Cricket can be exciting at the end of the match when there is a run chase. But that's about it. The actual game play is deathly boring. Football's game play is very exciting.
    Is it ?
    I find football pretty tedious.
    In isolation football's good. For me the problem is the relentless churn of the same league/cup fixtures. It will never finally be decided who has won the football.

    This is why the World Cup and Euros are the best football. Nice self-contained tournaments every 4 years.
    The concentration of money in a few teams and countries makes it more repetitive and boring. I hope there’s a backlash and more teams have a chance of success.
    Being a Leicester City fan isn't boring, it's a roller coaster. Win the Prem and FA cup, get relegated 2 years later, get hammered by "Financial Fair Play*" then get relegated again. Its a wild ride.

    *doesn't seem to stop the inner circle from spending vast amounts, with no sanction. The rules are just for upstarts.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,606

    Starmer said in his televised speech on 29 July:

    “Meanwhile, our message to the terrorists of Hamas is unchanged and unequivocal. They must immediately release all the hostages, sign up to a ceasefire, disarm and accept that they will play no part in the government of Gaza. We will make an assessment in September on how far the parties have met these steps.”

    That has now changed. He said today the release of hostages is a “long standing demand, and we are working with others to do everything we can to get those hostages released… We are going to have to assess, in September, all of the factors in relation to recognition, but this is effectively a pathway to recognition.” Jonathan Reynolds was more stark on the BBC:

    “Hamas is a terrorist organisation and we don’t put conditions on them because we don’t negotiate with terrorists.”

    So because they very naughty boys there is no condition they do anything?

    I have no idea why they have wrapped themselves up in this faux 5 tests. They are going to do it at the UN, just like France and Canada have already announced, why the nonsense.

    Starmer said in his televised speech on 29 July:

    “Meanwhile, our message to the terrorists of Hamas is unchanged and unequivocal. They must immediately release all the hostages, sign up to a ceasefire, disarm and accept that they will play no part in the government of Gaza. We will make an assessment in September on how far the parties have met these steps.”

    That has now changed. He said today the release of hostages is a “long standing demand, and we are working with others to do everything we can to get those hostages released… We are going to have to assess, in September, all of the factors in relation to recognition, but this is effectively a pathway to recognition.” Jonathan Reynolds was more stark on the BBC:

    “Hamas is a terrorist organisation and we don’t put conditions on them because we don’t negotiate with terrorists.”

    So because they very naughty boys there is no condition they do anything?

    I have no idea why they have wrapped themselves up in this faux 5 tests. They are going to do it at the UN, just like France and Canada have already announced, why the nonsense.

    They are wishy washy talentless wankers. No backbone , no principles and will flip at the drop of a bonnet if they think it might help them , but due to being useless it never will.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,606

    malcolmg said:

    Eabhal said:

    ydoethur said:

    eek said:

    ydoethur said:

    Bad news from Diddly Squat. We’ve gone down with TB. Everyone here is absolutely devastated.
    https://x.com/JeremyClarkson/status/1950911254056272374

    Oh God, please don’t let anything happen to Endgame, he was the star of the last season.
    Test inconclusive, so retest will be needed. Not usually a good sign.
    Bugger.
    So will the next series be cull badgers because they spread TB or don’t cull badgers as it restricts the distances badgers “cover”
    Unfortunately, because we have dithered over what to do about TB in badgers for forty years it's rather too late to deal with the situation whether we cull or don't cull.

    Before he died three years ago my father (who was quite heavily involved in all of this) said that it was so widespread and endemic in badgers that culling would likely not make much difference. Nor would vaccination as there would be no way of vaccinating prior to infection, which normally occurs in the first few days of life.

    So unless a way of vaccinating cattle without compromising their disease-free status can be found, we're a bit buggered, and so far nobody has.

    While if we had culled badgers in TB hotspots thirty years ago, we might have eliminated the problem altogether.

    Well done badger lobby, how to get it spectacularly backwards.
    What you're saying is that the badger population was largely TB-free and now, because we haven't vaccinated cows, the delightful wee critters are all sick? Classic victim-blaming. ;)

    Also out of date. The farmers from my patch are now blasting Bambi to smithereens because they've convinced themselves that's the real reason. They might be right - the deer population has doubled since 1990.
    Thought you lived in a flat in Edinburgh, or do you have a country retreat as well as your millionaire pad.
    I know deer can jump high, but I didn’t realise they could get three up!
    There are some strange buggers in Edinburgh Red, maybe a deer right enough.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,755

    Chris Woakes, ouch.

    Dislocated shoulder ?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,066
    edited July 31
    Nigelb said:

    Chris Woakes, ouch.

    Dislocated shoulder ?
    Looks like it, I swore like a Glaswegian with Tourette's when I dislocated my finger (and even more so when they put it back in) so I cannot imagine how much pain he must be in right now.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,598
    Nigelb said:

    Chris Woakes, ouch.

    Dislocated shoulder ?
    If it means he doesn't get considered for the Ashes that's not necessarily a bad outcome for English cricket, but it's very bad news for him of course.

    First time he's ever played through a five test series and there would be a certain irony if he's injured before he can complete the last one.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,020

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ECB admits no evidence Hundred has attracted new fans to other forms of cricket

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/31/ecb-admits-no-evidence-the-hundred-attracted-new-fans-cricket

    It always looks like there're a lot of fans at the games, but that's probably because the game is so short in terms of time.
    The tickets are very cheap / they give away a lot.
    They should make it almost free to attend county matches and then make money from selling food, drinks, merchandise, etc. It would just look a lot better with people in the stands than 95% empty. £5 for adults for children for example. At the moment it's £20 or £25 but that's still quite a lot of money for ordinary people.
    People are quite willing to pay to go to football, movies, mid-market restaurants, theatre etc.

    The problem is that there are a dwindling number of people motivated to spend their day watching it.

    If it wasn't for immigration from the sub-continent I would have thought domestic cricket would be pretty much extinct now.
    During COVID, the counties invested in showing games on YouTube and they were rather popular. Somewhat surprisingly they are still, streams are getting 5-10k viewers. My guess would it is older people who can't manage a whole day at the venue perhaps through ill health and also the cost.

    As for Asians at domestic cricket matches, I don't know in general the crowds still seem very white for county cricket / T20. More mixed at the Hundred and obviously if India / Pakistan are playing ODI / Test.
    I had a day at the Oval for Surrey v Yorkshire in September 2022. The Peter May Boys are very WWC.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,606

    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Andy_JS said:

    TOPPING said:

    MattW said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    ECB admits no evidence Hundred has attracted new fans to other forms of cricket

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jul/31/ecb-admits-no-evidence-the-hundred-attracted-new-fans-cricket

    It always looks like there're a lot of fans at the games, but that's probably because the game is so short in terms of time.
    The tickets are very cheap / they give away a lot.
    They should make it almost free to attend county matches and then make money from selling food, drinks, merchandise, etc. It would just look a lot better with people in the stands than 95% empty. £5 for adults for children for example. At the moment it's £20 or £25 but that's still quite a lot of money for ordinary people.
    Is that true?

    Look at the numbers who are charged many hundreds every year (thousands if a family?) to go to football as a walking cash cow, and fall for it.
    Because football is a far more exciting game than cricket and neither does cricket excite the same degree of tribal loyalty as the footie.

    Unless I missed the Gloucestershire County Cricket Club Agreeable Upgrade to First Class Rail Crew calling card when last they played Lord's*.





    *I did not, of course, go to Lord's - just using some artistic licence.
    I find cricket far more exciting than football. Just because you have to wait between balls isn't really an argument imo because no-one uses it against tennis which is similar in that respecet.
    Cricket can be exciting at the end of the match when there is a run chase. But that's about it. The actual game play is deathly boring. Football's game play is very exciting.
    Is it ?
    I find football pretty tedious.
    In isolation football's good. For me the problem is the relentless churn of the same league/cup fixtures. It will never finally be decided who has won the football.

    This is why the World Cup and Euros are the best football. Nice self-contained tournaments every 4 years.
    The concentration of money in a few teams and countries makes it more repetitive and boring. I hope there’s a backlash and more teams have a chance of success.
    Agree it is nothing like it was in late sixties/seventies etc. Now it is just a few teams owned by arabs or oligarchs buying wins.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386

    Nigelb said:

    Chris Woakes, ouch.

    Dislocated shoulder ?
    Looks like it, I swore like a Glaswegian with Tourette's when I dislocated my finger (and even more so when they put it back in) so I cannot imagine how much pain he must be in right now.
    My Dad dislocated his shoulder when I was a young teenager, at the time I thought I knew all the swear words, but it appears I didn't.....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386
    edited July 31
    I notice the Salford City have changed ownership. Gary Neville on the back of the government pumping all that money in and around where he has his hospitality businesses in Manchester, Lord Mervyn Davies is part of the new ownership group at Salford.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,020
    edited July 31
    Everyone's favourite stats release...

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/articles/babynamesexplorer/2019-06-07

    Percentage of boys named Muhammad:

    1996: 0.1%
    2000: 0.3%
    2004: 0.4%
    2008: 0.6%
    2012: 0.9%
    2016: 1.2%
    2020: 1.3%
    2021: 1.3%
    2022: 1.5%
    2023: 1.7%
    2024: 2.1%

    And it's not just other names falling. 2024 counts and change from 2023:

    Musa: 731 (up 124)
    Yusuf: 762 (up 112)
    Syed: 391 (up 75)
    Abdul: 338 (up 70)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,598
    tlg86 said:

    Everyone's favourite stats release...

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/articles/babynamesexplorer/2019-06-07

    Percentage of boys named Muhammad:

    1996: 0.1%
    2000: 0.3%
    2004: 0.4%
    2008: 0.6%
    2012: 0.9%
    2016: 1.2%
    2020: 1.3%
    2021: 1.3%
    2022: 1.5%
    2023: 1.7%
    2024: 2.1%

    Do you have to? Leon's about due to show up and he's probably well lit by now.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386
    edited July 31
    tlg86 said:

    Everyone's favourite stats release...

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/articles/babynamesexplorer/2019-06-07

    Percentage of boys named Muhammad:

    1996: 0.1%
    2000: 0.3%
    2004: 0.4%
    2008: 0.6%
    2012: 0.9%
    2016: 1.2%
    2020: 1.3%
    2021: 1.3%
    2022: 1.5%
    2023: 1.7%
    2024: 2.1%

    Is that every variation or just that particular spelling?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,066
    It's official
    @ONS
    baby name day!
    Here are the names that are dying out
    – A mere 9 boys called Norman last year
    – Rodney = 8
    – Nigel = 5
    – Giles = 3
    And not a single Piers was registered! (If it's 2 or fewer, it's not released for data reasons, so it's possible 2 were)

    In contrast there were 161 boys called Zorawar
    Zakariyya = 63
    Theo-James = 22
    Paris = 14
    London = 7
    Lucifer = 7


    https://x.com/hwallop/status/1950948388754661606
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,386

    It's official
    @ONS
    baby name day!
    Here are the names that are dying out
    – A mere 9 boys called Norman last year
    – Rodney = 8
    – Nigel = 5
    – Giles = 3
    And not a single Piers was registered! (If it's 2 or fewer, it's not released for data reasons, so it's possible 2 were)

    In contrast there were 161 boys called Zorawar
    Zakariyya = 63
    Theo-James = 22
    Paris = 14
    London = 7
    Lucifer = 7


    https://x.com/hwallop/status/1950948388754661606

    What about Boris, Rishi and Keir / Kier....
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