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  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,430
    Rewatching that spectacular Lions-Oz match

    Lions needs a unifying anthem. What's wrong with Danny Boy?

    Protestant Scotch-Irish melody with words by an Englishman, so it suits everyone
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,239
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    I never liked Pornhub anyway

    Brazzers ?
    Naughty America?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,575

    TimS said:

    Civil War II has its first casualty.

    Oh dear. Just say no to daytime drinking, kids.
    I once drank so much I tried to arrest 5 members of the Long Parliament
    You are Colonel Thomas Pride and I claim my firkin of best bitter.
    Goodness no, I would never have fought for Cromwell
    Your inclination to trim Long Parliaments when drunk betrays you.

    Obviously, you are a reincarnation of The Devils Brewer.
    Twas Charles who attempted to arrest Pym, Hampden, Holles, Haselrig and Strode
    Is Mel Stride a present day Strode ?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,308
    Nigelb said:

    TimS said:

    Civil War II has its first casualty.

    Oh dear. Just say no to daytime drinking, kids.
    I once drank so much I tried to arrest 5 members of the Long Parliament
    You are Colonel Thomas Pride and I claim my firkin of best bitter.
    Goodness no, I would never have fought for Cromwell
    Your inclination to trim Long Parliaments when drunk betrays you.

    Obviously, you are a reincarnation of The Devils Brewer.
    Twas Charles who attempted to arrest Pym, Hampden, Holles, Haselrig and Strode
    Is Mel Stride a present day Strode ?
    And in the future his son "Will Stride"
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,905
    ohnotnow said:

    viewcode said:

    I know we're all banging on about subbing and domming and suchlike, but I'm still wondering about Jade's cheese and onion sandwich. I mean: onion? You'd have to chop it. Shouldn't one substitute pickle instead?

    Cheese and onion sandwich (or usually roll, in my experience) is just grated cheese and chopped raw onion. And none of your fancy 'red' onion either.

    If it was a foreign favourite of commissioning editors - I'm sure 'the sharpness of the onion really makes the dish by cutting through the fattiness of the cheese. The crispy roll brings the whole dish together.'

    Happy days of going into backstreet boozers in the midlands where they sold cheese, or ham, cobs wrapped in clingfilm and there was a giant jar of onions on the bar. Help yourself.

    The cheese was never grated. Just a small slab.

    That’s the Britain I miss

    A pint of Bitter with a cheese and onion cob, then off to the soccer.

  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,137
    Eabhal said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Eabhal said:

    A

    kinabalu said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Good god. The Online Safety Act is insanely bad

    Which bits in particular?
    It’s already being used to censor political speech
    I wish someone could apply it to you.

    I've kept away today because you have been on fire. In between your role as a PB sport summariser, which is fine, you have been posting stuff which fifty percent of your audience will applaud whilst the rest of us consider all the stuff about immigrants stealing mobile phones, and immigrants this, and immigrants that, best avoided.

    What a shame.

    I have noted that you have been even more disagreeable with other posters than normal today. Anyway my turn now, I have the exercise book in place for the caning.
    Cricket
    Racist shit
    Cricket
    Racist shit
    Cricket
    Racist shit
    Cricket
    Racist shit

    This is how we're rolling today.
    I came across a cricket game in a run down, post-industrial UK town today. I needed a spot to eat my gigantic egg mayonnaise bap, followed by custard slice and flat white, so I watched 45 mins of a game that is much, much better (and quicker) in person than on TV.

    I think cricket might be to the answer to many of our woes. One of the south-east Asian players smashed a ball into a tree for his century and was roundly and rather aggressively congratulated by his teammates. Nice to see.
    Back in the early 90s, a bad boy who 100% was not me - had taken a lot of acid. By about 6am decided sleep really wasn't going to happen so went to the local park for some fresh air.

    Sat on a bench looking over the city - lovely calming view. And then - apparently - a bunch of Indian lads set up an impromptu cricket ground while he watched. Then got into a huge argument about something to do with cricket, which almost ended in someone getting a cricket bat to the head.

    Which really wasn't the chill scene that particular bad boy had been after.

    👀
    This guy got caught out shortly after his century when he knelt down and tried to flick it over his left shoulder - looked really cool and nearly went for 6 again but didn't have the legs. The vitriol from the drunks alongside me was quite something. Nowt racist but brutal nonetheless.

    Interesting game. I understand DavidL's obsession, but I simply didn't grow up in an area where it is played with any regularity like most of us in Scotland. If I were from Yorkshire I suspect I'd be a huge fan.
    I learned to somewhat enjoy cricket when someone from down south explained to me that it was 'a pleasant noise as the background to a picnic'.

    Now our park has a dedicated cricket pitch (if that's the word). And the Indian/Pakistani lads get to play properly. I sometimes watch and am deeply envious of the mid-game break where their Aunties bring them home made treats to eat. They smell amazing even from a distance.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,149

    IanB2 said:

    I’m on a train! The night train from Lapland to Helsinki must be one up on Sunil, surely?

    You can't take pictures of anything (trains/tracks/stations/landscape/anything) from a night train :lol:

    You see, my ubergeekery demands that I have to take a picture of the start and end stations, at least one pic of any intervening stations, as well as at least one pic of the line BETWEEN each station for me to truly "do" a railway line.
    Buy an older digital camera. Remove the filter in front of the sensor. Which blocks IR and UV.

    The camera can now see in the dark - pretty much.

    Alternatively, a really modern camera can shoot at an ISO of 250,000 - far better than the human eye.
    I have done that in order to measure vegetation health. You take out the IR filter and replace it with a single colour filter so that you can record the IR in one channel and visible light (usually red) in another.

    It works for that purpose but not night vision as the sensor is only really sensitive to near infra red and not the longer frequencies needed for normal temperatures.

    You need a special (expensive) camera for that.

    Stupid ISO probably better, although you'd need a blackout cover against the windows.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,308
    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,784
    Leon said:

    Rewatching that spectacular Lions-Oz match

    Lions needs a unifying anthem. What's wrong with Danny Boy?

    Protestant Scotch-Irish melody with words by an Englishman, so it suits everyone

    It's heavenly, but would rub some Irish up the wrong way, and it's about leaving and longing, so not really appropriate.

    Shame, but doesn't work.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,239
    Nigelb said:

    TimS said:

    Civil War II has its first casualty.

    Oh dear. Just say no to daytime drinking, kids.
    I once drank so much I tried to arrest 5 members of the Long Parliament
    You are Colonel Thomas Pride and I claim my firkin of best bitter.
    Goodness no, I would never have fought for Cromwell
    Your inclination to trim Long Parliaments when drunk betrays you.

    Obviously, you are a reincarnation of The Devils Brewer.
    Twas Charles who attempted to arrest Pym, Hampden, Holles, Haselrig and Strode
    Is Mel Stride a present day Strode ?
    Ain't nothin' gonna break Mel Stride
    Nobody gonna slow me down
    Oh no, I got to keep on moving
    Ain't nothin' gonna break-a Mel Stride
    I'm runnin' and I won't touch ground
    Oh no, I got to keep on moving
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,575
    This is a (probable) fact I would not have predicted.

    WE’VE PUMPED SO MUCH GROUNDWATER THAT WE’VE NUDGED THE EARTH’S SPIN

    https://news.agu.org/press-release/weve-pumped-so-much-groundwater-that-weve-nudged-the-earths-spin/
    ... Based on climate models, scientists previously estimated humans pumped 2,150 gigatons of groundwater, equivalent to more than 6 millimeters (0.24 inches) of sea level rise, from 1993 to 2010. But validating that estimate is difficult.

    One approach lies with the Earth’s rotational pole, which is the point around which the planet rotates. It moves during a process called polar motion, which is when the position of the Earth’s rotational pole varies relative to the crust. The distribution of water on the planet affects how mass is distributed. Like adding a tiny bit of weight to a spinning top, the Earth spins a little differently as water is moved around.

    “Earth’s rotational pole actually changes a lot,” said Ki-Weon Seo, a geophysicist at Seoul National University who led the study. “Our study shows that among climate-related causes, the redistribution of groundwater actually has the largest impact on the drift of the rotational pole.”

    Water’s ability to change the Earth’s rotation was discovered in 2016, and until now, the specific contribution of groundwater to these rotational changes was unexplored. In the new study, researchers modeled the observed changes in the drift of Earth’s rotational pole and the movement of water — first, with only ice sheets and glaciers considered, and then adding in different scenarios of groundwater redistribution.

    The model only matched the observed polar drift once the researchers included 2150 gigatons of groundwater redistribution. Without it, the model was off by 78.5 centimeters (31 inches), or 4.3 centimeters (1.7 inches) of drift per year..



  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,137
    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    That map is very wrong. Almost offensively so.

  • TazTaz Posts: 19,905
    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    Chips with baked beans here.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,430

    Leon said:

    Rewatching that spectacular Lions-Oz match

    Lions needs a unifying anthem. What's wrong with Danny Boy?

    Protestant Scotch-Irish melody with words by an Englishman, so it suits everyone

    It's heavenly, but would rub some Irish up the wrong way, and it's about leaving and longing, so not really appropriate.

    Shame, but doesn't work.
    Somewhere in the world there will always be an Irishman "rubbed up the wrong way"

    But if not Danny Boy, then what?

    An Oasis song? Irish brothers, English hearts...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,043
    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    Chips with baked beans here.
    And to think this morning the discussion was about luxury watches....
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,239
    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    Chips with baked beans here.
    Beans on Naan
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,905
    I’d accept a doner kebab in a naan, like I used to get in Kenilworth when I lived there
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,575
    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    Chips with baked beans here.
    Don't.
    You're making me nostalgic for the days when I could eat a full English with a large pile of chips, plus toast, and suffer no ill effects.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,299

    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    Chips with baked beans here.
    Beans on Naan
    Surely dhal on naan?
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,905
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    Chips with baked beans here.
    Don't.
    You're making me nostalgic for the days when I could eat a full English with a large pile of chips, plus toast, and suffer no ill effects.
    Same here, and I wouldn’t even be full.

    Remember the days where I could go back for seconds and thirds at the breakfast buffet. Now,I’m full after fruit and yoghurt with a piece of toast.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,392

    Leon said:

    Good god. The Online Safety Act is insanely bad

    Apparently you can by-pass it and get to your normal porn in just 5 seconds!
    Thank God. If you can pass on exactly how to do that i’de be grateful, I’m slow at IT.
    Thanks. 💦
    I think this is the blokiest post I've ever read from a lady poster on here.
    Your is the blokiest chauvinist ignorant post, as it doesn’t realise us ladies use more porn and lube than men.

    You men all over in 8 seconds, then cheese and onion sandwich and match of the day.
    We can go days in eternal orgasm.
    Sleep on that. Loser.

    If you don’t believe me, you can pay my lube bill.
    There's an episode of "Bottom" where the lads happen to obtain some cheese and onion flavour condoms from the machine in the pub toilets :lol::lol::lol:
    How drunk were they.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,575
    Every US news broadcaster is going to be Fox News.

    Trump's FCC Chair says he will put a "bias monitor" in place who will "report directly" to Trump as part of the deal for Sky Dance to acquire CBS
    https://x.com/factpostnews/status/1948776828333617502
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,239
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    Chips with baked beans here.
    Beans on Naan
    Surely dhal on naan?
    No, beans.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,392
    viewcode said:

    I know we're all banging on about subbing and domming and suchlike, but I'm still wondering about Jade's cheese and onion sandwich. I mean: onion? You'd have to chop it. Shouldn't one substitute pickle instead?

    God invented shallots for a reason.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,927

    MattW said:

    Opinium with changes from 2 weeks ago

    Ref 32 (+3)
    Lab 25 (+1)
    Con 17 (-1)
    LD 13 (=)
    Grn 8 (-1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    Broken, sleazy Tories and Greens on the slide!

    But no Sultana Party???
    At the risk of repeating myself, George has it cut and dried.


    "You keep dog food in your fridge???"
    Actually, refrigerated dog and cat food is a thing now. Available at a supermarket near you, or see freshpet.com for instance.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,239

    Leon said:

    Good god. The Online Safety Act is insanely bad

    Apparently you can by-pass it and get to your normal porn in just 5 seconds!
    Thank God. If you can pass on exactly how to do that i’de be grateful, I’m slow at IT.
    Thanks. 💦
    I think this is the blokiest post I've ever read from a lady poster on here.
    Your is the blokiest chauvinist ignorant post, as it doesn’t realise us ladies use more porn and lube than men.

    You men all over in 8 seconds, then cheese and onion sandwich and match of the day.
    We can go days in eternal orgasm.
    Sleep on that. Loser.

    If you don’t believe me, you can pay my lube bill.
    There's an episode of "Bottom" where the lads happen to obtain some cheese and onion flavour condoms from the machine in the pub toilets :lol::lol::lol:
    How drunk were they.
    "Yeah, there's banana, strawberry, peanut butter, Marmite, or cheese and onion."
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,711
    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    Mature cheddar and Spanish (mild white) onion. In quantity:



    £2 last time I had one.

    Spanish onions sadly dying out in supermarkets, due to the rise of the red onion.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,299
    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,179
    edited July 26

    viewcode said:

    I know we're all banging on about subbing and domming and suchlike, but I'm still wondering about Jade's cheese and onion sandwich. I mean: onion? You'd have to chop it. Shouldn't one substitute pickle instead?

    God invented shallots for a reason.
    For viewcode's benefit (I really can't think how one reaches adulthood without having a cheese and onion sandwich), the cheese is grated cheese, mixed with grated onion, in a mayonnaise dressing. The resulting paste is sandwiched, and it's really very nice.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,239

    MattW said:

    Opinium with changes from 2 weeks ago

    Ref 32 (+3)
    Lab 25 (+1)
    Con 17 (-1)
    LD 13 (=)
    Grn 8 (-1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    Broken, sleazy Tories and Greens on the slide!

    But no Sultana Party???
    At the risk of repeating myself, George has it cut and dried.


    "You keep dog food in your fridge???"
    Actually, refrigerated dog and cat food is a thing now. Available at a supermarket near you, or see freshpet.com for instance.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWmdg1hpXnM
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,392
    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    Are you from Earth?
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,905
    carnforth said:

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    Mature cheddar and Spanish (mild white) onion. In quantity:



    £2 last time I had one.

    Spanish onions sadly dying out in supermarkets, due to the rise of the red onion.

    That’s porn to me.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,392

    viewcode said:

    I know we're all banging on about subbing and domming and suchlike, but I'm still wondering about Jade's cheese and onion sandwich. I mean: onion? You'd have to chop it. Shouldn't one substitute pickle instead?

    God invented shallots for a reason.
    For viewcode's benefit (I really can't think how one reaches adulthood without having a cheese and onion sandwich), the cheese is grated cheese, mixed with grated onion, in a mayonnaise dressing. The resulting paste is sandwiched, and it's really very nice.
    Can I flag this?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,439
    ohnotnow said:

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    That map is very wrong. Almost offensively so.

    Wtf is ‘chippie sauce’?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,927
    edited July 26

    MattW said:

    Opinium with changes from 2 weeks ago

    Ref 32 (+3)
    Lab 25 (+1)
    Con 17 (-1)
    LD 13 (=)
    Grn 8 (-1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    Broken, sleazy Tories and Greens on the slide!

    But no Sultana Party???
    At the risk of repeating myself, George has it cut and dried.


    "You keep dog food in your fridge???"
    Actually, refrigerated dog and cat food is a thing now. Available at a supermarket near you, or see freshpet.com for instance.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWmdg1hpXnM
    That's the one. You can buy it in Sainsbury's and presumably the others. ETA my mate said his cats were not impressed, possibly because it is colder than they are used to.
  • Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    Chips with baked beans here.
    Beans on Naan

    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    Chips with baked beans here.
    Beans on Naan

    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    Chips with baked beans here.
    Beans on Naan
    I'm sure your indian flatbreads are lovely, but the ones I found at the back of my wardrobe are better. Yours may be naan-y, mine are Narnia.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,772
    carnforth said:

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    Mature cheddar and Spanish (mild white) onion. In quantity:



    £2 last time I had one.

    Spanish onions sadly dying out in supermarkets, due to the rise of the red onion.

    I hadn't realised that red onions were a comparatively recent 'thing'. I discovered them about a decade ago to substitute for spring onions but I assumed they'd always been there before I noticed them.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,712
    DavidL said:

    nunu2 said:

    Leon said:

    Also this:

    “The ‘Online Safety Act’ makes it an offence to say something that is false which causes “non-trivial psychological harm”.

    Platforms would also be forced to proactively censor the speech.

    The Tories deserve their extinction and Reform will restore free speech.”

    https://x.com/ziayusufuk/status/1949065564866871440?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Online safety act, wave upon wave of immigration, smoking ban, woke infestation. "Tories".
    This was passed, essentially, because so many Tory MPs - specifically women - received vile abuse.

    But politicians never seem to do a proper impact assessment of any legislation they draft.

    They stop at the soundbite and rhetoric.
    They always feel the need to do *something* even if it makes it worse
    We must do something.
    This is something.
    Let's do it!
    Sounds a lot like the nihilistic thought process being followed by the erstwhile Tories on here who are now thinking of voting for Reform.

    Fixing things is difficult. Voting Reform is easy - and will make everything worse.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,308

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    Are you from Earth?
    Yes. Although which one is a subject of debate.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,308
    Taz said:

    carnforth said:

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    Mature cheddar and Spanish (mild white) onion. In quantity:



    £2 last time I had one.

    Spanish onions sadly dying out in supermarkets, due to the rise of the red onion.

    That’s porn to me.
    You'll have to enter your birth date and selfie
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,555

    viewcode said:

    I know we're all banging on about subbing and domming and suchlike, but I'm still wondering about Jade's cheese and onion sandwich. I mean: onion? You'd have to chop it. Shouldn't one substitute pickle instead?

    God invented shallots for a reason.
    Treetop Onions.

    (Allium × proliferum)

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,013
    You guys have heard of cheese and onion crisps, right?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,308
    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    Chips with baked beans here.
    On top or on the side?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,043
    What Britons think about Israel, boats and our ‘chaotic’ world new
    Frustrated by immigration, losing patience on Gaza — a new poll for The Sunday Times reveals the state of the nation today

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/what-britons-think-about-gaza-boats-and-our-chaotic-world-q2j3w3jtn
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,555

    viewcode said:

    I know we're all banging on about subbing and domming and suchlike, but I'm still wondering about Jade's cheese and onion sandwich. I mean: onion? You'd have to chop it. Shouldn't one substitute pickle instead?

    God invented shallots for a reason.
    For viewcode's benefit (I really can't think how one reaches adulthood without having a cheese and onion sandwich), the cheese is grated cheese, mixed with grated onion, in a mayonnaise dressing. The resulting paste is sandwiched, and it's really very nice.
    On this single occasion, @Luckyguy1983 is entirely correct :wink: .
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,751
    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    I'm with you, never heard of a cheese and onion sandwich... as a flavour of crisps yes.

    Surely it would be nicer with cooked onions!?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,555

    MattW said:

    Opinium with changes from 2 weeks ago

    Ref 32 (+3)
    Lab 25 (+1)
    Con 17 (-1)
    LD 13 (=)
    Grn 8 (-1)
    SNP 3 (=)

    Broken, sleazy Tories and Greens on the slide!

    But no Sultana Party???
    At the risk of repeating myself, George has it cut and dried.


    "You keep dog food in your fridge???"
    Actually, refrigerated dog and cat food is a thing now. Available at a supermarket near you, or see freshpet.com for instance.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWmdg1hpXnM
    That's the one. You can buy it in Sainsbury's and presumably the others. ETA my mate said his cats were not impressed, possibly because it is colder than they are used to.
    You can get subscription cat food or dog food, mixed especially for the requirements of your fur baby. They used to sponsor certain Yank videos I watched, so you get respected commentators solemnly explaining how their own cats have been sad forever until last week when this arrived.

    (Less embarrassing than Hims however, which compel the presenter to admit to "E D". Can't say the real version of Youtube censors it because Yanks are prissy snowflakes.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,712
    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,711
    rkrkrk said:

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    I'm with you, never heard of a cheese and onion sandwich... as a flavour of crisps yes.

    Surely it would be nicer with cooked onions!?
    Where do you think they got the idea for the crisp flavour?

    Cooked onions? With melted cheese perhaps. With cold cheese? Nope.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,043
    An elite team of police officers is to monitor social media for anti-migrant sentiment amid fears of summer riots. Detectives will be drawn from forces across the country to take part in a new investigations unit that will flag up early signs of potential civil unrest.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/07/26/elite-police-unit-to-monitor-online-critics-of-migrants/

    Calling BS on this, the thought there are "elite" police officers just doesn't pass the smell test.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,013

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    It never goes away, it just lies in the soil dormant for a while.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,430

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    It never goes away, it just lies in the soil dormant for a while.
    Well it would be great if the powers-that-be didn't keep watering that soil with unwanted, unmandated mass immigration on an incredible scale, alongside huge waves of illegal immigration, and all of it aided and abetted by a judiciary and civil service apparently favouring migrants over native Britons

    How about the Establishment NOT doing that for a few years? - then maybe the seedlings of far right populism would not have fertile soil in which to sprout
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,712

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    Although, now that I think about it, at the time the BNP policy was for grants for "voluntary" repatriation. So we now have two MPs in Parliament with a more extreme policy than the BNP 15-20 years ago.

    We're heading in a very dark direction.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,043
    edited July 26
    Britons see the world in 2025 as “chaotic” and “dangerous” as global conflict reaches the highest level since the end of the Second World War, a poll shows.

    They believe the UK’s power is diminishing while countries such as China and Russia — and the United States — are growing in stature and might, the study of more than 2,000 people by More in Common, the think tank, found.

    Britons also feel buffeted by turbulence at home and are growing increasingly frustrated at the inability to stop record numbers of small boats from making the perilous journey across the Channel.

    “For many Brits the international picture is an ugly one, with the public worried the world around us has become more chaotic and more dangerous and many now question what Britain’s role on the global stage is any more,” Luke Tryl, the executive director of More in Common, said.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/what-britons-think-about-gaza-boats-and-our-chaotic-world-q2j3w3jtn
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,179
    edited July 26

    An elite team of police officers is to monitor social media for anti-migrant sentiment amid fears of summer riots. Detectives will be drawn from forces across the country to take part in a new investigations unit that will flag up early signs of potential civil unrest.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/07/26/elite-police-unit-to-monitor-online-critics-of-migrants/

    Calling BS on this, the thought there are "elite" police officers just doesn't pass the smell test.

    What's concerning is where these sorts of initiatives are being dreamt up. Starmer clearly loves a bit of stamping down on unacceptable far right sentiments, but I don't think he or any of the cabinet is really responsible for this sort of thing. It just seems to self-perpetuate.

    You just wonder if we can even salvage a decent working police force from these goons when a more sane Government is elected.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,299
    carnforth said:

    rkrkrk said:

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    I'm with you, never heard of a cheese and onion sandwich... as a flavour of crisps yes.

    Surely it would be nicer with cooked onions!?
    Where do you think they got the idea for the crisp flavour?

    Cooked onions? With melted cheese perhaps. With cold cheese? Nope.
    Cheese and onion makes the best toasties, closely followed by cheese and ham.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,308
    The teaser trailer for "Star Trek: Starfleet Academy" is up

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrGvZoJNoOs
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,430
    edited July 26

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    Although, now that I think about it, at the time the BNP policy was for grants for "voluntary" repatriation. So we now have two MPs in Parliament with a more extreme policy than the BNP 15-20 years ago.

    We're heading in a very dark direction.
    15-20 years ago the mere idea of net migration of 1m a year would have been laughed at, as some kind of Nazi dystopian fantasy, as would the idea of 50,000 unvetted foreign young men simply invading our beaches, every year, and then being put in 4 star hotels at our expense
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,308
    rkrkrk said:

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    I'm with you, never heard of a cheese and onion sandwich... as a flavour of crisps yes.

    Surely it would be nicer with cooked onions!?
    We shall storm the barricades and defeat these deviant onion-lovers!
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,349

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    Although, now that I think about it, at the time the BNP policy was for grants for "voluntary" repatriation. So we now have two MPs in Parliament with a more extreme policy than the BNP 15-20 years ago.

    We're heading in a very dark direction.
    If only politicians had listened to the public for the last 20 years and stopped mass legal immigration, asylum seekers and deported illegal immigrants. They take 100% of the blame.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,575
    carnforth said:

    rkrkrk said:

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    I'm with you, never heard of a cheese and onion sandwich... as a flavour of crisps yes.

    Surely it would be nicer with cooked onions!?
    Where do you think they got the idea for the crisp flavour?

    Cooked onions? With melted cheese perhaps. With cold cheese? Nope.
    It's one of those food divides.
    Some folk love raw onion; some of us can't eat it at all.

    One of my great food hates is having to pick finely chopped red onion out of salads. The alternative is severe indigestion.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,299

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    Although, now that I think about it, at the time the BNP policy was for grants for "voluntary" repatriation. So we now have two MPs in Parliament with a more extreme policy than the BNP 15-20 years ago.

    We're heading in a very dark direction.
    2 out of the 5 Reform MPs elected last year. The other 3 keeping quiet for now.

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,349
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    Although, now that I think about it, at the time the BNP policy was for grants for "voluntary" repatriation. So we now have two MPs in Parliament with a more extreme policy than the BNP 15-20 years ago.

    We're heading in a very dark direction.
    15-20 years ago the mere idea of net migration of 1m a year would have been laughed at, as some kind of Nazi dystopian fantasy, as would the idea of 50,000 unvetted foreign young men simply invading our beaches, every year, and then being put in 4 star hotels at our expense
    Or importing Taliban fighters because of "family" reunions. I honestly think the government, civil service and judiciary have all completely got a screw loose. The shock of a Reform government might be the only thing left to the British public to get any kind of real change on immigration and deportation of illegals and asylum seekers.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522
    50,000 a year used to be regarded as a lot until the late 1990s.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,430
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    Although, now that I think about it, at the time the BNP policy was for grants for "voluntary" repatriation. So we now have two MPs in Parliament with a more extreme policy than the BNP 15-20 years ago.

    We're heading in a very dark direction.
    15-20 years ago the mere idea of net migration of 1m a year would have been laughed at, as some kind of Nazi dystopian fantasy, as would the idea of 50,000 unvetted foreign young men simply invading our beaches, every year, and then being put in 4 star hotels at our expense
    Or importing Taliban fighters because of "family" reunions. I honestly think the government, civil service and judiciary have all completely got a screw loose. The shock of a Reform government might be the only thing left to the British public to get any kind of real change on immigration and deportation of illegals and asylum seekers.
    Indeed. So many horror stories and more arrive every day

    The problem is we have three/four more years of this hapless Labour lunacy (following on from the Tories) before any prospect of real change

    I genuinely fear for the country’s stability
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,043
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    Although, now that I think about it, at the time the BNP policy was for grants for "voluntary" repatriation. So we now have two MPs in Parliament with a more extreme policy than the BNP 15-20 years ago.

    We're heading in a very dark direction.
    15-20 years ago the mere idea of net migration of 1m a year would have been laughed at, as some kind of Nazi dystopian fantasy, as would the idea of 50,000 unvetted foreign young men simply invading our beaches, every year, and then being put in 4 star hotels at our expense
    Or importing Taliban fighters because of "family" reunions. I honestly think the government, civil service and judiciary have all completely got a screw loose. The shock of a Reform government might be the only thing left to the British public to get any kind of real change on immigration and deportation of illegals and asylum seekers.
    I think if we did get a Reform government and they had actually thought through what they wanted to do (stay with me....), it would be like after Brexit vote, the 10k working even harder to find ways to thwart such changes. In reality, I think much more likely scenario is the Reform would be like Trump government, not really thought beyond the slogans.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,711
    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    rkrkrk said:

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    I'm with you, never heard of a cheese and onion sandwich... as a flavour of crisps yes.

    Surely it would be nicer with cooked onions!?
    Where do you think they got the idea for the crisp flavour?

    Cooked onions? With melted cheese perhaps. With cold cheese? Nope.
    Cheese and onion makes the best toasties, closely followed by cheese and ham.
    Never tried cheese and onion toasted.

    Now, cheese and ham toasted is top-tier food. With accompaniments of branston or pickled beetroot or pickled onions or all three.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,349

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    Although, now that I think about it, at the time the BNP policy was for grants for "voluntary" repatriation. So we now have two MPs in Parliament with a more extreme policy than the BNP 15-20 years ago.

    We're heading in a very dark direction.
    15-20 years ago the mere idea of net migration of 1m a year would have been laughed at, as some kind of Nazi dystopian fantasy, as would the idea of 50,000 unvetted foreign young men simply invading our beaches, every year, and then being put in 4 star hotels at our expense
    Or importing Taliban fighters because of "family" reunions. I honestly think the government, civil service and judiciary have all completely got a screw loose. The shock of a Reform government might be the only thing left to the British public to get any kind of real change on immigration and deportation of illegals and asylum seekers.
    I think if we did get a Reform government and they had actually thought through what they wanted to do (stay with me....), it would be like after Brexit vote, the 10k working even harder to find ways to thwart such changes. In reality, I think much more likely scenario is the Reform would be like Trump government, not really thought beyond the slogans.
    Trump 47 is definitely having much more success at deporting people than Trump 45. Reform are surely going to use Trump 47 as their blueprint and just fuck all of the international legal consequences as bullshit just like the US has done with their deportation programme.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,043
    edited July 26
    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    Although, now that I think about it, at the time the BNP policy was for grants for "voluntary" repatriation. So we now have two MPs in Parliament with a more extreme policy than the BNP 15-20 years ago.

    We're heading in a very dark direction.
    15-20 years ago the mere idea of net migration of 1m a year would have been laughed at, as some kind of Nazi dystopian fantasy, as would the idea of 50,000 unvetted foreign young men simply invading our beaches, every year, and then being put in 4 star hotels at our expense
    Or importing Taliban fighters because of "family" reunions. I honestly think the government, civil service and judiciary have all completely got a screw loose. The shock of a Reform government might be the only thing left to the British public to get any kind of real change on immigration and deportation of illegals and asylum seekers.
    I think if we did get a Reform government and they had actually thought through what they wanted to do (stay with me....), it would be like after Brexit vote, the 10k working even harder to find ways to thwart such changes. In reality, I think much more likely scenario is the Reform would be like Trump government, not really thought beyond the slogans.
    Trump 47 is definitely having much more success at deporting people than Trump 45. Reform are surely going to use Trump 47 as their blueprint and just fuck all of the international legal consequences as bullshit just like the US has done with their deportation programme.
    He is getting back up from a supreme court that sways his way though. I have a funny feeling our supreme court might have different take on matters.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,179

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    Although, now that I think about it, at the time the BNP policy was for grants for "voluntary" repatriation. So we now have two MPs in Parliament with a more extreme policy than the BNP 15-20 years ago.

    We're heading in a very dark direction.
    15-20 years ago the mere idea of net migration of 1m a year would have been laughed at, as some kind of Nazi dystopian fantasy, as would the idea of 50,000 unvetted foreign young men simply invading our beaches, every year, and then being put in 4 star hotels at our expense
    Or importing Taliban fighters because of "family" reunions. I honestly think the government, civil service and judiciary have all completely got a screw loose. The shock of a Reform government might be the only thing left to the British public to get any kind of real change on immigration and deportation of illegals and asylum seekers.
    I think if we did get a Reform government and they had actually thought through what they wanted to do (stay with me....), it would be like after Brexit vote, the 10k working even harder to find ways to thwart such changes. In reality, I think much more likely scenario is the Reform would be like Trump government, not really thought beyond the slogans.
    Trump 47 is definitely having much more success at deporting people than Trump 45. Reform are surely going to use Trump 47 as their blueprint and just fuck all of the international legal consequences as bullshit just like the US has done with their deportation programme.
    He is getting back up from a supreme court that sways his way though. I have a funny feeling our supreme court might have different take on matters.
    That won't be an issue, as the Great Repeal Bill will abolish The Supreme Court, and re-establish the Lord Chancellor's role as the Supreme Judge.

    It won't be easy, but for the first time, the right in politics has a good idea of what it's up against.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,013
    Seems PBers know their onions.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,013
    George Conway: "All you people working Trump, you better watch it because you don’t have immunity.”



    https://x.com/krassenstein/status/1949222397170872330
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,455
    Oldest son had an interesting morning playing at Trump's Aberdeenshire golf course today amid very tight secuity. There were a few security checks points before he got in, ID check, photo taken, car searched. Reckoned there was about 150-200 Police officers on duty.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,430

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    Although, now that I think about it, at the time the BNP policy was for grants for "voluntary" repatriation. So we now have two MPs in Parliament with a more extreme policy than the BNP 15-20 years ago.

    We're heading in a very dark direction.
    15-20 years ago the mere idea of net migration of 1m a year would have been laughed at, as some kind of Nazi dystopian fantasy, as would the idea of 50,000 unvetted foreign young men simply invading our beaches, every year, and then being put in 4 star hotels at our expense
    Or importing Taliban fighters because of "family" reunions. I honestly think the government, civil service and judiciary have all completely got a screw loose. The shock of a Reform government might be the only thing left to the British public to get any kind of real change on immigration and deportation of illegals and asylum seekers.
    I think if we did get a Reform government and they had actually thought through what they wanted to do (stay with me....), it would be like after Brexit vote, the 10k working even harder to find ways to thwart such changes. In reality, I think much more likely scenario is the Reform would be like Trump government, not really thought beyond the slogans.
    Trump 47 is definitely having much more success at deporting people than Trump 45. Reform are surely going to use Trump 47 as their blueprint and just fuck all of the international legal consequences as bullshit just like the US has done with their deportation programme.
    He is getting back up from a supreme court that sways his way though. I have a funny feeling our supreme court might have different take on matters.
    That won't be an issue, as the Great Repeal Bill will abolish The Supreme Court, and re-establish the Lord Chancellor's role as the Supreme Judge.

    It won't be easy, but for the first time, the right in politics has a good idea of what it's up against.
    Yes exactly. Parliament must reassert sovereignty over EVERYTHING. Roll back the entire Blairite liberal “consensus”. Destroy the blob. Sack anyone that objects - judges included

    We need a peaceful revolution or we will have something nastier later. I want peace
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,179
    I have decided that Zia Yusuf reminds me a bit of J D Vance. Impressive, hungry, but punchy, and a bit of a loose canon.

    I feel that Reform would be safer with Suella and her husband balancing out the top team. But Zia obviously saw to that challenge by going after them (quite unfairly) over Afghanistan.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,137
    viewcode said:
    'Curry sauce' for Scotland I'd have half believed. But the map had 'HP Sauce'. Even 'Brown sauce' I'd have taken - but HP Sauce?

    I think anywhere from Birmingham northwards would twitch at the suggestion of HP Sauce.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,349

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    Although, now that I think about it, at the time the BNP policy was for grants for "voluntary" repatriation. So we now have two MPs in Parliament with a more extreme policy than the BNP 15-20 years ago.

    We're heading in a very dark direction.
    15-20 years ago the mere idea of net migration of 1m a year would have been laughed at, as some kind of Nazi dystopian fantasy, as would the idea of 50,000 unvetted foreign young men simply invading our beaches, every year, and then being put in 4 star hotels at our expense
    Or importing Taliban fighters because of "family" reunions. I honestly think the government, civil service and judiciary have all completely got a screw loose. The shock of a Reform government might be the only thing left to the British public to get any kind of real change on immigration and deportation of illegals and asylum seekers.
    I think if we did get a Reform government and they had actually thought through what they wanted to do (stay with me....), it would be like after Brexit vote, the 10k working even harder to find ways to thwart such changes. In reality, I think much more likely scenario is the Reform would be like Trump government, not really thought beyond the slogans.
    Trump 47 is definitely having much more success at deporting people than Trump 45. Reform are surely going to use Trump 47 as their blueprint and just fuck all of the international legal consequences as bullshit just like the US has done with their deportation programme.
    He is getting back up from a supreme court that sways his way though.
    It's easier here, just put the words "parliament is sovereign" or something like that in the bill to enable deportations and dare the courts to overrule elected MPs.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,439

    I have decided that Zia Yusuf reminds me a bit of J D Vance. Impressive, hungry, but punchy, and a bit of a loose canon.

    I feel that Reform would be safer with Suella and her husband balancing out the top team. But Zia obviously saw to that challenge by going after them (quite unfairly) over Afghanistan.

    Just for you.

    Cannon.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,179
    edited July 26
    ohnotnow said:

    viewcode said:
    'Curry sauce' for Scotland I'd have half believed. But the map had 'HP Sauce'. Even 'Brown sauce' I'd have taken - but HP Sauce?

    I think anywhere from Birmingham northwards would twitch at the suggestion of HP Sauce.
    What they actually have in Edinburgh (it's just called 'sauce' and you ask for 'salt n' sauce' on your chips), is a half and half (I think) mix of brown sauce (like HP) and vinegar. But in Glasgow they favour red sauce (ketchup). And I've never encountered 'sauce' much North of Edinburgh (not that I've sampled fish and chip shops that much in the provinces of Scotland).
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,179

    I have decided that Zia Yusuf reminds me a bit of J D Vance. Impressive, hungry, but punchy, and a bit of a loose canon.

    I feel that Reform would be safer with Suella and her husband balancing out the top team. But Zia obviously saw to that challenge by going after them (quite unfairly) over Afghanistan.

    Just for you.

    Cannon.
    Haha - thanks.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,796
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    Although, now that I think about it, at the time the BNP policy was for grants for "voluntary" repatriation. So we now have two MPs in Parliament with a more extreme policy than the BNP 15-20 years ago.

    We're heading in a very dark direction.
    15-20 years ago the mere idea of net migration of 1m a year would have been laughed at, as some kind of Nazi dystopian fantasy, as would the idea of 50,000 unvetted foreign young men simply invading our beaches, every year, and then being put in 4 star hotels at our expense
    Or importing Taliban fighters because of "family" reunions. I honestly think the government, civil service and judiciary have all completely got a screw loose. The shock of a Reform government might be the only thing left to the British public to get any kind of real change on immigration and deportation of illegals and asylum seekers.
    I think if we did get a Reform government and they had actually thought through what they wanted to do (stay with me....), it would be like after Brexit vote, the 10k working even harder to find ways to thwart such changes. In reality, I think much more likely scenario is the Reform would be like Trump government, not really thought beyond the slogans.
    Trump 47 is definitely having much more success at deporting people than Trump 45. Reform are surely going to use Trump 47 as their blueprint and just fuck all of the international legal consequences as bullshit just like the US has done with their deportation programme.
    He is getting back up from a supreme court that sways his way though. I have a funny feeling our supreme court might have different take on matters.
    That won't be an issue, as the Great Repeal Bill will abolish The Supreme Court, and re-establish the Lord Chancellor's role as the Supreme Judge.

    It won't be easy, but for the first time, the right in politics has a good idea of what it's up against.
    Yes exactly. Parliament must reassert sovereignty over EVERYTHING. Roll back the entire Blairite liberal “consensus”. Destroy the blob. Sack anyone that objects - judges included

    We need a peaceful revolution or we will have something nastier later. I want peace
    Much of it results from the deification of Blair by Cameron/Osborne such that they didn't touch one iota of what he'd done since 1997.

    They thought that was the "consensus".
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522

    An elite team of police officers is to monitor social media for anti-migrant sentiment amid fears of summer riots. Detectives will be drawn from forces across the country to take part in a new investigations unit that will flag up early signs of potential civil unrest.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/07/26/elite-police-unit-to-monitor-online-critics-of-migrants/

    Calling BS on this, the thought there are "elite" police officers just doesn't pass the smell test.

    Sounds dystopian.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,137

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    Although, now that I think about it, at the time the BNP policy was for grants for "voluntary" repatriation. So we now have two MPs in Parliament with a more extreme policy than the BNP 15-20 years ago.

    We're heading in a very dark direction.
    15-20 years ago the mere idea of net migration of 1m a year would have been laughed at, as some kind of Nazi dystopian fantasy, as would the idea of 50,000 unvetted foreign young men simply invading our beaches, every year, and then being put in 4 star hotels at our expense
    Or importing Taliban fighters because of "family" reunions. I honestly think the government, civil service and judiciary have all completely got a screw loose. The shock of a Reform government might be the only thing left to the British public to get any kind of real change on immigration and deportation of illegals and asylum seekers.
    I think if we did get a Reform government and they had actually thought through what they wanted to do (stay with me....), it would be like after Brexit vote, the 10k working even harder to find ways to thwart such changes. In reality, I think much more likely scenario is the Reform would be like Trump government, not really thought beyond the slogans.
    Trump 47 is definitely having much more success at deporting people than Trump 45. Reform are surely going to use Trump 47 as their blueprint and just fuck all of the international legal consequences as bullshit just like the US has done with their deportation programme.
    He is getting back up from a supreme court that sways his way though. I have a funny feeling our supreme court might have different take on matters.
    That won't be an issue, as the Great Repeal Bill will abolish The Supreme Court, and re-establish the Lord Chancellor's role as the Supreme Judge.

    It won't be easy, but for the first time, the right in politics has a good idea of what it's up against.
    Does that mean - like the left - they realise they're mostly infighting between themselves?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,239
    rkrkrk said:

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    I'm with you, never heard of a cheese and onion sandwich... as a flavour of crisps yes.

    Surely it would be nicer with cooked onions!?
    https://www.waitrose.com/ecom/products/essential-cheese-onion-sandwich/570622-80830-80831?msclkid=d5da8d72aa1617734adde5f7fed4696c&gclid=d5da8d72aa1617734adde5f7fed4696c&gclsrc=3p.ds&gad_source=7
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,093
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    Although, now that I think about it, at the time the BNP policy was for grants for "voluntary" repatriation. So we now have two MPs in Parliament with a more extreme policy than the BNP 15-20 years ago.

    We're heading in a very dark direction.
    15-20 years ago the mere idea of net migration of 1m a year would have been laughed at, as some kind of Nazi dystopian fantasy, as would the idea of 50,000 unvetted foreign young men simply invading our beaches, every year, and then being put in 4 star hotels at our expense
    Or importing Taliban fighters because of "family" reunions. I honestly think the government, civil service and judiciary have all completely got a screw loose. The shock of a Reform government might be the only thing left to the British public to get any kind of real change on immigration and deportation of illegals and asylum seekers.
    I think if we did get a Reform government and they had actually thought through what they wanted to do (stay with me....), it would be like after Brexit vote, the 10k working even harder to find ways to thwart such changes. In reality, I think much more likely scenario is the Reform would be like Trump government, not really thought beyond the slogans.
    Trump 47 is definitely having much more success at deporting people than Trump 45. Reform are surely going to use Trump 47 as their blueprint and just fuck all of the international legal consequences as bullshit just like the US has done with their deportation programme.
    He is getting back up from a supreme court that sways his way though. I have a funny feeling our supreme court might have different take on matters.
    That won't be an issue, as the Great Repeal Bill will abolish The Supreme Court, and re-establish the Lord Chancellor's role as the Supreme Judge.

    It won't be easy, but for the first time, the right in politics has a good idea of what it's up against.
    Yes exactly. Parliament must reassert sovereignty over EVERYTHING. Roll back the entire Blairite liberal “consensus”. Destroy the blob. Sack anyone that objects - judges included

    We need a peaceful revolution or we will have something nastier later. I want peace
    Parliament already has sovereignty over anything, no judges can overrule a statute passed by parliament and signed by the King and even the Human Rights Act can be repealed
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,179

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    Although, now that I think about it, at the time the BNP policy was for grants for "voluntary" repatriation. So we now have two MPs in Parliament with a more extreme policy than the BNP 15-20 years ago.

    We're heading in a very dark direction.
    15-20 years ago the mere idea of net migration of 1m a year would have been laughed at, as some kind of Nazi dystopian fantasy, as would the idea of 50,000 unvetted foreign young men simply invading our beaches, every year, and then being put in 4 star hotels at our expense
    Or importing Taliban fighters because of "family" reunions. I honestly think the government, civil service and judiciary have all completely got a screw loose. The shock of a Reform government might be the only thing left to the British public to get any kind of real change on immigration and deportation of illegals and asylum seekers.
    I think if we did get a Reform government and they had actually thought through what they wanted to do (stay with me....), it would be like after Brexit vote, the 10k working even harder to find ways to thwart such changes. In reality, I think much more likely scenario is the Reform would be like Trump government, not really thought beyond the slogans.
    Trump 47 is definitely having much more success at deporting people than Trump 45. Reform are surely going to use Trump 47 as their blueprint and just fuck all of the international legal consequences as bullshit just like the US has done with their deportation programme.
    He is getting back up from a supreme court that sways his way though. I have a funny feeling our supreme court might have different take on matters.
    That won't be an issue, as the Great Repeal Bill will abolish The Supreme Court, and re-establish the Lord Chancellor's role as the Supreme Judge.

    It won't be easy, but for the first time, the right in politics has a good idea of what it's up against.
    Yes exactly. Parliament must reassert sovereignty over EVERYTHING. Roll back the entire Blairite liberal “consensus”. Destroy the blob. Sack anyone that objects - judges included

    We need a peaceful revolution or we will have something nastier later. I want peace
    Much of it results from the deification of Blair by Cameron/Osborne such that they didn't touch one iota of what he'd done since 1997.

    They thought that was the "consensus".
    They did, but I think they were also just genuine ideological bedfellows.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,137
    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    rkrkrk said:

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    I'm with you, never heard of a cheese and onion sandwich... as a flavour of crisps yes.

    Surely it would be nicer with cooked onions!?
    Where do you think they got the idea for the crisp flavour?

    Cooked onions? With melted cheese perhaps. With cold cheese? Nope.
    Cheese and onion makes the best toasties, closely followed by cheese and ham.
    Never tried cheese and onion toasted.

    Now, cheese and ham toasted is top-tier food. With accompaniments of branston or pickled beetroot or pickled onions or all three.
    If you've never tried cheese, ham and 'pickled red onion' - you've missing out. Those simple pickles were a revelation when I tried them. Now I keep an eye out for offers on red onions.

    (somewhat annoying YT'er - but you'll get the idea) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id1pgfUjzUc

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 63,796
    MaxPB said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    Although, now that I think about it, at the time the BNP policy was for grants for "voluntary" repatriation. So we now have two MPs in Parliament with a more extreme policy than the BNP 15-20 years ago.

    We're heading in a very dark direction.
    If only politicians had listened to the public for the last 20 years and stopped mass legal immigration, asylum seekers and deported illegal immigrants. They take 100% of the blame.
    Time and time again over the last 15-20 years I met Tory members and politicians who acknowledged they had to talk about cutting immigration but said it couldn't be done or shouldn't be done, but, as their base demanded it, a show had to be put on.

    So, here we are.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,137
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    Although, now that I think about it, at the time the BNP policy was for grants for "voluntary" repatriation. So we now have two MPs in Parliament with a more extreme policy than the BNP 15-20 years ago.

    We're heading in a very dark direction.
    15-20 years ago the mere idea of net migration of 1m a year would have been laughed at, as some kind of Nazi dystopian fantasy, as would the idea of 50,000 unvetted foreign young men simply invading our beaches, every year, and then being put in 4 star hotels at our expense
    Or importing Taliban fighters because of "family" reunions. I honestly think the government, civil service and judiciary have all completely got a screw loose. The shock of a Reform government might be the only thing left to the British public to get any kind of real change on immigration and deportation of illegals and asylum seekers.
    I think if we did get a Reform government and they had actually thought through what they wanted to do (stay with me....), it would be like after Brexit vote, the 10k working even harder to find ways to thwart such changes. In reality, I think much more likely scenario is the Reform would be like Trump government, not really thought beyond the slogans.
    Trump 47 is definitely having much more success at deporting people than Trump 45. Reform are surely going to use Trump 47 as their blueprint and just fuck all of the international legal consequences as bullshit just like the US has done with their deportation programme.
    He is getting back up from a supreme court that sways his way though. I have a funny feeling our supreme court might have different take on matters.
    That won't be an issue, as the Great Repeal Bill will abolish The Supreme Court, and re-establish the Lord Chancellor's role as the Supreme Judge.

    It won't be easy, but for the first time, the right in politics has a good idea of what it's up against.
    Yes exactly. Parliament must reassert sovereignty over EVERYTHING. Roll back the entire Blairite liberal “consensus”. Destroy the blob. Sack anyone that objects - judges included

    We need a peaceful revolution or we will have something nastier later. I want peace
    Parliament already has sovereignty over anything, no judges can overrule a statute passed by parliament and signed by the King and even the Human Rights Act can be repealed
    Does this mean we're all besties now? I fear this involves a special Morris Dance.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 5,137
    Andy_JS said:

    An elite team of police officers is to monitor social media for anti-migrant sentiment amid fears of summer riots. Detectives will be drawn from forces across the country to take part in a new investigations unit that will flag up early signs of potential civil unrest.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/07/26/elite-police-unit-to-monitor-online-critics-of-migrants/

    Calling BS on this, the thought there are "elite" police officers just doesn't pass the smell test.

    Sounds dystopian.
    It would be dystopian if we had 'elite' police officers who were actually 'elite'.

    Being able to remember your login password and/or tie your shoelaces is what we normally aim for. Gets you as far as the CID at least.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,093

    MaxPB said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    Although, now that I think about it, at the time the BNP policy was for grants for "voluntary" repatriation. So we now have two MPs in Parliament with a more extreme policy than the BNP 15-20 years ago.

    We're heading in a very dark direction.
    If only politicians had listened to the public for the last 20 years and stopped mass legal immigration, asylum seekers and deported illegal immigrants. They take 100% of the blame.
    Time and time again over the last 15-20 years I met Tory members and politicians who acknowledged they had to talk about cutting immigration but said it couldn't be done or shouldn't be done, but, as their base demanded it, a show had to be put on.

    So, here we are.
    Net immigration is now falling after the tighter visa wage requirements Sunak and Cleverly brought in
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,430

    MaxPB said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    Although, now that I think about it, at the time the BNP policy was for grants for "voluntary" repatriation. So we now have two MPs in Parliament with a more extreme policy than the BNP 15-20 years ago.

    We're heading in a very dark direction.
    If only politicians had listened to the public for the last 20 years and stopped mass legal immigration, asylum seekers and deported illegal immigrants. They take 100% of the blame.
    Time and time again over the last 15-20 years I met Tory members and politicians who acknowledged they had to talk about cutting immigration but said it couldn't be done or shouldn't be done, but, as their base demanded it, a show had to be put on.

    So, here we are.
    How can you possibly vote Tory AGAIN after these stupid, tragic, suicidal betrayals? Over 15 years?? You must swallow your doubts and vote Reform

    Because the alternative is much darker still
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,013
    ohnotnow said:

    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    rkrkrk said:

    viewcode said:

    OK, I'm weirded out now. You folks mean that "cheese and onion sandwiches" is an actual thing????

    Is this like chips-with-gravy versus chips-with-curry versus chips-with-sauce versus chips-with-mayo regional divide?

    I'm with you, never heard of a cheese and onion sandwich... as a flavour of crisps yes.

    Surely it would be nicer with cooked onions!?
    Where do you think they got the idea for the crisp flavour?

    Cooked onions? With melted cheese perhaps. With cold cheese? Nope.
    Cheese and onion makes the best toasties, closely followed by cheese and ham.
    Never tried cheese and onion toasted.

    Now, cheese and ham toasted is top-tier food. With accompaniments of branston or pickled beetroot or pickled onions or all three.
    If you've never tried cheese, ham and 'pickled red onion' - you've missing out. Those simple pickles were a revelation when I tried them. Now I keep an eye out for offers on red onions.

    (somewhat annoying YT'er - but you'll get the idea) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id1pgfUjzUc

    I might try that - thanks
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,503
    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    Although, now that I think about it, at the time the BNP policy was for grants for "voluntary" repatriation. So we now have two MPs in Parliament with a more extreme policy than the BNP 15-20 years ago.

    We're heading in a very dark direction.
    If only politicians had listened to the public for the last 20 years and stopped mass legal immigration, asylum seekers and deported illegal immigrants. They take 100% of the blame.
    Time and time again over the last 15-20 years I met Tory members and politicians who acknowledged they had to talk about cutting immigration but said it couldn't be done or shouldn't be done, but, as their base demanded it, a show had to be put on.

    So, here we are.
    How can you possibly vote Tory AGAIN after these stupid, tragic, suicidal betrayals? Over 15 years?? You must swallow your doubts and vote Reform

    Because the alternative is much darker still
    The problems with voting Conservative are known.

    The problems with voting Reform can only be guessed at.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522
    edited July 26
    MaxPB said:

    Foxy said:

    I see Lowe and McMurdock are now advocating deportation of legal settled immigrants.

    https://bsky.app/profile/sundersays.bsky.social/post/3luvfqj3zgk2y

    This was BNP policy around when Griffin was on Question Time. I see that the remnants of UKIP are now advocating it.

    My paternal grandmother came to England in 1938 from Nazi Vienna. When my Grandad retired in 1980 they moved to Vienna. In 1990 they decided to move to Derbyshire, in part because the rise of the Freedom Party in Austria has unpleasant echoes for my grandmother of the rise of Fabian in the 1930s.

    She died in 1997. I've recently been thinking quite often how it would feel for her today, had she been alive at the grand old age of 111, to see how far fascist politics has made inroads across democracies. I'm kinda glad she hasn't had to live through it.
    Although, now that I think about it, at the time the BNP policy was for grants for "voluntary" repatriation. So we now have two MPs in Parliament with a more extreme policy than the BNP 15-20 years ago.

    We're heading in a very dark direction.
    If only politicians had listened to the public for the last 20 years and stopped mass legal immigration, asylum seekers and deported illegal immigrants. They take 100% of the blame.
    It's all about doing the opposite of what ordinary people want. If ordinary people wanted mass migration, the elites would probably be entirely against it, as a way of distinguishing themselves from the hoi polloi.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,013
    ohnotnow said:

    Andy_JS said:

    An elite team of police officers is to monitor social media for anti-migrant sentiment amid fears of summer riots. Detectives will be drawn from forces across the country to take part in a new investigations unit that will flag up early signs of potential civil unrest.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/07/26/elite-police-unit-to-monitor-online-critics-of-migrants/

    Calling BS on this, the thought there are "elite" police officers just doesn't pass the smell test.

    Sounds dystopian.
    It would be dystopian if we had 'elite' police officers who were actually 'elite'.

    Being able to remember your login password and/or tie your shoelaces is what we normally aim for. Gets you as far as the CID at least.
    Why do we need 'elite' police officers sitting for hours doom scrolling? Surely an average PC will do?

    Or maybe just try AI?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,093

    Britons see the world in 2025 as “chaotic” and “dangerous” as global conflict reaches the highest level since the end of the Second World War, a poll shows.

    They believe the UK’s power is diminishing while countries such as China and Russia — and the United States — are growing in stature and might, the study of more than 2,000 people by More in Common, the think tank, found.

    Britons also feel buffeted by turbulence at home and are growing increasingly frustrated at the inability to stop record numbers of small boats from making the perilous journey across the Channel.

    “For many Brits the international picture is an ugly one, with the public worried the world around us has become more chaotic and more dangerous and many now question what Britain’s role on the global stage is any more,” Luke Tryl, the executive director of More in Common, said.

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/what-britons-think-about-gaza-boats-and-our-chaotic-world-q2j3w3jtn

    Labour voters say UK influence is increasing though and voters still see the UK as the fifth most powerful nation after the USA, China, Russia and EU
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,205
    Andy_JS said:

    Reading this is like reading something from the 1950s in terms of the fact they haven't visited the sea before.

    "Sheer joy as kids see the sea for the first time, as cost of living's impact on school trips revealed
    Children from the Rockliffe Manor Primary school in Plumstead, south London, headed for a day of seaside fun at Broadstairs Beach in Kent. Some of them had never been to a beach before or even seen the sea."

    https://news.sky.com/story/rising-costs-and-tight-budgets-mean-school-trips-are-under-threat-even-though-some-kids-have-never-seen-the-sea-13401639

    Many years ago I was chair of governors at Rockcliffe!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,013
    Fruit and Nuts now claiming 450K "sign ups"


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