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  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    England CANNOT LOSE.
    This series is over.
    Ashes are pretty much guaranteed now.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,904
    Ooh, getting a Bit tetchy.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,904
    Taz said:

    Ooh, getting a Bit tetchy.

    The Lions match I hasten to add.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    England Cricket GAIN Bootle
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,335

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    But they do have some responsibility, surely. They claim to be the government of the Gaza Strip. We keep hearing about the Hamas run Gazan Health Ministry.
    That's not to be read as suggesting I support the Israeli position; I don't understand how the great-nephews of people who died in Auschwitz and the like can behave in this way.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,654
    nunu2 said:

    I don't know if anyone else has been following the French Jewish children story on the Vueling flight. Has it been covered by MSM?

    Seems like the airline has a lot of questions to answer as to why 40 children were removed from the flight and the teacher was then thrown to the ground and handcuffed. For singing in Hebrew?

    It's also claimed that the Captain trained two of the 9/11 hijackers. Mad stuff.

    https://x.com/HenMazzig/status/1948404725319119028

    It is also claimed they were singing "death to Arabs".
    Maybe they were singing The Cure’s 1980 hit “Killing an Arab”, famously based on Camus’ “The Stranger” and people just misunderstood.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,904
    I love Maro Itoje, he’s ace, but he just said to,the Ref ‘Yes Sir, Yes Sir, but he started it’ 😂😂😂
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,089

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    The daily stories about the aid queues are pure Hamas propoganda, and backed up by the UN agencies.

    The non-Hamas NGO distributing aid is a massive threat to the whole ecosystem that’s been taking the money for decades, and they’ve hoodwinnked a lot of the international media into going along with the story,
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,543
    edited July 26
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  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,924
    boulay said:

    nunu2 said:

    I don't know if anyone else has been following the French Jewish children story on the Vueling flight. Has it been covered by MSM?

    Seems like the airline has a lot of questions to answer as to why 40 children were removed from the flight and the teacher was then thrown to the ground and handcuffed. For singing in Hebrew?

    It's also claimed that the Captain trained two of the 9/11 hijackers. Mad stuff.

    https://x.com/HenMazzig/status/1948404725319119028

    It is also claimed they were singing "death to Arabs".
    Maybe they were singing The Cure’s 1980 hit “Killing an Arab”, famously based on Camus’ “The Stranger” and people just misunderstood.
    Just as an aside, is group singing encouraged on international flights?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    Come on Dawson, don't be shit
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,654

    boulay said:

    nunu2 said:

    I don't know if anyone else has been following the French Jewish children story on the Vueling flight. Has it been covered by MSM?

    Seems like the airline has a lot of questions to answer as to why 40 children were removed from the flight and the teacher was then thrown to the ground and handcuffed. For singing in Hebrew?

    It's also claimed that the Captain trained two of the 9/11 hijackers. Mad stuff.

    https://x.com/HenMazzig/status/1948404725319119028

    It is also claimed they were singing "death to Arabs".
    Maybe they were singing The Cure’s 1980 hit “Killing an Arab”, famously based on Camus’ “The Stranger” and people just misunderstood.
    Just as an aside, is group singing encouraged on international flights?
    Absolutely, my friends and I tend to go for something by John Denver when we travel en masse, just to cheer up and reassure any nervous flyers.
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 427
    Sandpit said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    The daily stories about the aid queues are pure Hamas propoganda, and backed up by the UN agencies.

    The non-Hamas NGO distributing aid is a massive threat to the whole ecosystem that’s been taking the money for decades, and they’ve hoodwinnked a lot of the international media into going along with the story,
    That definitely my reading of it. can't say I'm sure because working out what is happening there is so difficult.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,335
    edited July 26
    Sandpit said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    The daily stories about the aid queues are pure Hamas propoganda, and backed up by the UN agencies.

    The non-Hamas NGO distributing aid is a massive threat to the whole ecosystem that’s been taking the money for decades, and they’ve hoodwinnked a lot of the international media into going along with the story,
    Interesting perspective from someone who lives in the Gulf. I must say I have very considerable difficulty in accepting the 'word' of Hamas, but I think that the BBC is usually very careful about accuracy.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,904
    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Wow. Nearly 1 in every 6 phones that are stolen in Europe are stolen in … London (The Times)

    London is so over …"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1948996990915748199

    Crime is lower than it was 30 years ago so it doesn’t matter, apparently.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,205
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Always refreshing to start the day with some bracing Franco-Polish alt.right philosophy:

    “Western Europeans don't understand that the harm they have done to their countries is IRREVERSIBLE, and their children will not forgive them for it.

    “They thought they were building an open society. What they created was an unmanageable fracture. They replaced continuity with experimentation, identity with guilt, and cohesion with slogans. Entire generations were told that borders were immoral, that culture was oppressive, and that integration was optional. Now they are reaping the results — and pretending not to see them.

    “The cities are divided. The schools are segregated by language and loyalty. The police avoid entire zones. Judges are intimidated. Teachers lie to survive. Religion is ridiculed unless it's imported. The native population is shrinking — and afraid. Those who speak the truth are attacked by their own institutions, while those who undermine the country are subsidized.

    “Immigration was not the problem — it was the refusal to set conditions. It was the cowardice of leaders who wanted applause instead of responsibility. It was the moral blackmail of elites who despised their own people, and these people's submissiveness to their elites. What arrived was not just labor or refuge — it was a different civilization, with its own expectations, values, and plans. And no one asked it to adapt.

    “The damage is not temporary. It's demographic. It's territorial. It's cultural. It's encoded now into the next hundred years. Their children will grow up in a land their parents no longer recognize — and they will ask, not with anger but disbelief: why did you allow this?”

    There's an interesting paradox here, which people with a bit of self-awareness might recognise.

    The people most exercised by demographic change are, on average, older. The youth are mostly chill with it. Maybe they shouldn't be, but they are.

    In other words, it's the generation who voted for this and enacted it who are most cross about it. If I thought I had stuffed up that badly, I think I would retire to a remote hermitage to live out my life in quiet reflection of what I had got so wrong.

    (See also, economics and sexual ethics.)
    1. You stuffed up that badly

    2. Multiple polls show that the western young (under 25) are more rightwing than their elders, and this is intensifying

    At the same time some are also veering hard left, but as this is traditional in Da Yoot it is less noteworthy
    I would partly disagree.

    Polling certainly shows that young people are a lot more likely to vote for Reform than for the Conservatives, and also, Reform are generally getting quite good scores in the 18-39 range (typically, 22-27%). But, Reform do best among middle-aged voters. The age profile for Reform's support resembles what you would once have expected from the Conservatives (lower, but still quite numerous among younger voters, higher among older voters). Also, Reform has a much younger membership profile than the Conservatives. The Conservatives, on the other hand, get very little support among younger age cohorts, and depend upon pensioners.

    Yougov's polls tend to show their 18-24 age cohort being ultra left wing, on almost every issue, as well as in terms of voting intention, but they conflict with the rest, and that must be a sampling issue.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,434
    edited July 26

    Sean_F said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    Since the Israeli government has blocked, firstly in whole, now in part, the import of food, in order to put pressure on Hamas, it seems fair to put a lot of the blame on them. Israel is a signatory to the Geneva Conventions, and Article 55 requires an occupying power to provide food and medicines to the civilian population.

    On top of that, the IDF opens fire upon people trying to obtain food.
    Why are you sure about the IDF firing upon civilians getting food? There is a total lack of footage of these incidents.

    Former British officer Andrew Fox wrote a very long piece about the situation. The claim is that there is plenty of aid inside Gaza but the UN is refusing to distribute it under the support of the GHF. They preferred the system whereby they would take the aid in and it would end up with Hamas. The GHF seems like a reasonable attempt to break the Hamas/NGO cesspit in Gaza.

    The UN insists it must be 'neutral'. So that[s neutral between one party sending in aid to Gaza and one that states it has no responsibility for the welfare of Gazan people. That's up to them I suppose.

    https://x.com/Mr_Andrew_Fox/status/1948368871317971237

    I wouldn't trust the likes of the BBC on this.
    But you do trust Richard Kemp and whichever spittle flecked mouthpiece the Israeli gov puts up?

    Chacun à son gout.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,434
    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Wow. Nearly 1 in every 6 phones that are stolen in Europe are stolen in … London (The Times)

    London is so over …"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1948996990915748199

    I’m old enough to remember when we Nats were told we were racist for blaming that there London for everything.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,253

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    But they do have some responsibility, surely. They claim to be the government of the Gaza Strip. We keep hearing about the Hamas run Gazan Health Ministry.
    That's not to be read as suggesting I support the Israeli position; I don't understand how the great-nephews of people who died in Auschwitz and the like can behave in this way.
    Unfortunately, the desire for vengeance cascades down the generations much more smoothly than remembrance of the need for mercy.

    Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt, as the good book puts it.
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 427
    Here is one of the French Jewish kids after the flight. She could of course by lying.

    https://x.com/HenMazzig/status/1948782115643928719

    Not seen any passengers defend the airline's stance.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,434
    edited July 26
    Congrats to the Lions for their contribution to reviving RU in Australia.
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 427

    Sean_F said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    Since the Israeli government has blocked, firstly in whole, now in part, the import of food, in order to put pressure on Hamas, it seems fair to put a lot of the blame on them. Israel is a signatory to the Geneva Conventions, and Article 55 requires an occupying power to provide food and medicines to the civilian population.

    On top of that, the IDF opens fire upon people trying to obtain food.
    Why are you sure about the IDF firing upon civilians getting food? There is a total lack of footage of these incidents.

    Former British officer Andrew Fox wrote a very long piece about the situation. The claim is that there is plenty of aid inside Gaza but the UN is refusing to distribute it under the support of the GHF. They preferred the system whereby they would take the aid in and it would end up with Hamas. The GHF seems like a reasonable attempt to break the Hamas/NGO cesspit in Gaza.

    The UN insists it must be 'neutral'. So that[s neutral between one party sending in aid to Gaza and one that states it has no responsibility for the welfare of Gazan people. That's up to them I suppose.

    https://x.com/Mr_Andrew_Fox/status/1948368871317971237

    I wouldn't trust the likes of the BBC on this.
    But you do trust Richard Kemp and whichever spittle flecked mouthpiece the Israeli gov puts up?

    Chacun à son gout.
    I think he's a reasonable source. A former senior Army officer who served Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,904
    Lions can still win this 👍
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,932
    edited July 26
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    Since the Israeli government has blocked, firstly in whole, now in part, the import of food, in order to put pressure on Hamas, it seems fair to put a lot of the blame on them. Israel is a signatory to the Geneva Conventions, and Article 55 requires an occupying power to provide food and medicines to the civilian population.

    On top of that, the IDF opens fire upon people trying to obtain food.
    Why are you sure about the IDF firing upon civilians getting food? There is a total lack of footage of these incidents.

    Former British officer Andrew Fox wrote a very long piece about the situation. The claim is that there is plenty of aid inside Gaza but the UN is refusing to distribute it under the support of the GHF. They preferred the system whereby they would take the aid in and it would end up with Hamas. The GHF seems like a reasonable attempt to break the Hamas/NGO cesspit in Gaza.

    The UN insists it must be 'neutral'. So that[s neutral between one party sending in aid to Gaza and one that states it has no responsibility for the welfare of Gazan people. That's up to them I suppose.

    https://x.com/Mr_Andrew_Fox/status/1948368871317971237

    I wouldn't trust the likes of the BBC on this.
    I'm being asked to believe that the only people who are telling the truth are the Netanyahu administration, and the Trump administration. Both Netanyahu and Trump are strangers to the truth.

    By contrast, I'm meant to believe that Hamas are lying (and I believe they are); the UN are lying (and I don't place much faith in them); every aid agency is lying (unlikely); the Israeli left wing opposition and Haaretz are lying (most unlikely); the BBC is lying (the BBC has a bias, but it does not make up stories); Lord Sumption and Edward Leigh are lying (extremely unlikely).

    The weight of evidence suggests that the people of Gaza are being starved, and that this is policy.
    Let us also not forget the Israeli cabinet has a member who has said starving the Palestinians would be moral and justified.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,089

    Sandpit said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    The daily stories about the aid queues are pure Hamas propoganda, and backed up by the UN agencies.

    The non-Hamas NGO distributing aid is a massive threat to the whole ecosystem that’s been taking the money for decades, and they’ve hoodwinnked a lot of the international media into going along with the story,
    Interesting perspective from someone who lives in the Gulf. I must say I have very considerable difficulty in accepting the 'word' of Hamas, but I think that the BBC is usually very careful about accuracy.
    If there were daily atrocities in aid queues, why are there no photographs or videos of them?

    The BBC is quoting the UN agencies, which at this point are totally captured by Hamas.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522
    England — don't declare. Spectators tomorrow want to see lots of action.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,932
    The Lions getting stepmommed.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,932
    Andy_JS said:

    England — don't declare. Spectators tomorrow want to see lots of action.

    Have you seen the forecast?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,434

    Sean_F said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    Since the Israeli government has blocked, firstly in whole, now in part, the import of food, in order to put pressure on Hamas, it seems fair to put a lot of the blame on them. Israel is a signatory to the Geneva Conventions, and Article 55 requires an occupying power to provide food and medicines to the civilian population.

    On top of that, the IDF opens fire upon people trying to obtain food.
    Why are you sure about the IDF firing upon civilians getting food? There is a total lack of footage of these incidents.

    Former British officer Andrew Fox wrote a very long piece about the situation. The claim is that there is plenty of aid inside Gaza but the UN is refusing to distribute it under the support of the GHF. They preferred the system whereby they would take the aid in and it would end up with Hamas. The GHF seems like a reasonable attempt to break the Hamas/NGO cesspit in Gaza.

    The UN insists it must be 'neutral'. So that[s neutral between one party sending in aid to Gaza and one that states it has no responsibility for the welfare of Gazan people. That's up to them I suppose.

    https://x.com/Mr_Andrew_Fox/status/1948368871317971237

    I wouldn't trust the likes of the BBC on this.
    But you do trust Richard Kemp and whichever spittle flecked mouthpiece the Israeli gov puts up?

    Chacun à son gout.
    I think he's a reasonable source. A former senior Army officer who served Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.
    And who lost a libel case for The Jewish News by lying about Baroness Warsi.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,904

    The Lions getting stepmommed.

    Via a VPN ?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,335
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    The daily stories about the aid queues are pure Hamas propoganda, and backed up by the UN agencies.

    The non-Hamas NGO distributing aid is a massive threat to the whole ecosystem that’s been taking the money for decades, and they’ve hoodwinnked a lot of the international media into going along with the story,
    Interesting perspective from someone who lives in the Gulf. I must say I have very considerable difficulty in accepting the 'word' of Hamas, but I think that the BBC is usually very careful about accuracy.
    If there were daily atrocities in aid queues, why are there no photographs or videos of them?

    The BBC is quoting the UN agencies, which at this point are totally captured by Hamas.
    One thing I don't understand is, if the infrastructure in Gaza has been destroyed to the level it appears to have been, how come some people still seem to be able to use mobile phones?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,089
    Andy_JS said:

    England — don't declare. Spectators tomorrow want to see lots of action.

    Get to 600 and declare, the weather is looking bad tomorrow.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,089
    TOM CURRY!!!!
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,904
    Aussie pussies let Lions get a try. We will make them our bitches second half . To use the speech of the hood.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,205
    edited July 26
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    The daily stories about the aid queues are pure Hamas propoganda, and backed up by the UN agencies.

    The non-Hamas NGO distributing aid is a massive threat to the whole ecosystem that’s been taking the money for decades, and they’ve hoodwinnked a lot of the international media into going along with the story,
    Interesting perspective from someone who lives in the Gulf. I must say I have very considerable difficulty in accepting the 'word' of Hamas, but I think that the BBC is usually very careful about accuracy.
    If there were daily atrocities in aid queues, why are there no photographs or videos of them?
    The BBC is quoting the UN agencies, which at this point are totally captured by Hamas.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cy8k8045nx9o

    Anthony Aguilar is not a Hamas stooge.

    A retired US special forces officer has revealed to the BBC why he resigned from his work with US- and Israel-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) aid distribution centres.

    "I witnessed the Israeli Defense Forces shooting at the crowds of Palestinians," Anthony Aguilar told the BBC.

    He added that in his entire career he has never witnessed such a level of "brutality and use of indiscriminate and unnecessary force against a civilian population, an unarmed, starving population".


    Hamas must be the most brilliant propagandists in history, if they can persuade people who are long-standing supporters of Israel that starvation, and murder of people queuing for food, are taking place.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,176
    Stokes!
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,086

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    But they do have some responsibility, surely. They claim to be the government of the Gaza Strip. We keep hearing about the Hamas run Gazan Health Ministry.
    That's not to be read as suggesting I support the Israeli position; I don't understand how the great-nephews of people who died in Auschwitz and the like can behave in this way.
    Learned behaviour. Men that were abused as children are more likely to abuse others. Races that suffered ethnic cleansing are more likely to commit ethnic cleansing on other races.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,904
    And another. These Aussies are real gimps.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,089
    Well this is a good rugby match!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,425
    I think I actually love Ben Stokes
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    England — don't declare. Spectators tomorrow want to see lots of action.

    Get to 600 and declare, the weather is looking bad tomorrow.
    12.20 give them 30 minutes before lunch
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,176
    Sandpit said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    The daily stories about the aid queues are pure Hamas propoganda, and backed up by the UN agencies.

    The non-Hamas NGO distributing aid is a massive threat to the whole ecosystem that’s been taking the money for decades, and they’ve hoodwinnked a lot of the international media into going along with the story,
    Hamas' retaining operational organisation after all the pressure against them is impressive in a way.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,425
    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Wow. Nearly 1 in every 6 phones that are stolen in Europe are stolen in … London (The Times)

    London is so over …"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1948996990915748199

    And yet we are constantly told we are “imagining the lawlessness”

    Roll on Nigel, PM
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,089
    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    The daily stories about the aid queues are pure Hamas propoganda, and backed up by the UN agencies.

    The non-Hamas NGO distributing aid is a massive threat to the whole ecosystem that’s been taking the money for decades, and they’ve hoodwinnked a lot of the international media into going along with the story,
    Interesting perspective from someone who lives in the Gulf. I must say I have very considerable difficulty in accepting the 'word' of Hamas, but I think that the BBC is usually very careful about accuracy.
    If there were daily atrocities in aid queues, why are there no photographs or videos of them?
    The BBC is quoting the UN agencies, which at this point are totally captured by Hamas.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cy8k8045nx9o

    Anthony Aguilar is not a Hamas stooge.

    A retired US special forces officer has revealed to the BBC why he resigned from his work with US- and Israel-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) aid distribution centres.

    "I witnessed the Israeli Defense Forces shooting at the crowds of Palestinians," Anthony Aguilar told the BBC.

    He added that in his entire career he has never witnessed such a level of "brutality and use of indiscriminate and unnecessary force against a civilian population, an unarmed, starving population".


    Hamas must be the most brilliant propagandists in history, if they can persuade people who are long-standing supporters of Israel that starvation, and murder of people queuing for food, are taking place.
    So where are the pictures of the IDF shooting into crowds at aid distribution centres?
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,904
    kle4 said:

    Stokes!

    BADENOCH
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,176
    Leon said:

    I think I actually love Ben Stokes

    No shame in that.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,904
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Wow. Nearly 1 in every 6 phones that are stolen in Europe are stolen in … London (The Times)

    London is so over …"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1948996990915748199

    And yet we are constantly told we are “imagining the lawlessness”

    Roll on Nigel, PM
    As we were told earlier. Crime is lower than it was 30 years ago. So no problem.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,904
    kle4 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    The daily stories about the aid queues are pure Hamas propoganda, and backed up by the UN agencies.

    The non-Hamas NGO distributing aid is a massive threat to the whole ecosystem that’s been taking the money for decades, and they’ve hoodwinnked a lot of the international media into going along with the story,
    Hamas' retaining operational organisation after all the pressure against them is impressive in a way.
    It also shows Israel and the IDF are not all powerful too.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,335

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    But they do have some responsibility, surely. They claim to be the government of the Gaza Strip. We keep hearing about the Hamas run Gazan Health Ministry.
    That's not to be read as suggesting I support the Israeli position; I don't understand how the great-nephews of people who died in Auschwitz and the like can behave in this way.
    Learned behaviour. Men that were abused as children are more likely to abuse others. Races that suffered ethnic cleansing are more likely to commit ethnic cleansing on other races.
    That's true of course. Sadly.
    But those on power should rise above that, although of course Netanyahu is in a class (and a very unpleasant one) of his own.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,321

    Sean_F said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    Since the Israeli government has blocked, firstly in whole, now in part, the import of food, in order to put pressure on Hamas, it seems fair to put a lot of the blame on them. Israel is a signatory to the Geneva Conventions, and Article 55 requires an occupying power to provide food and medicines to the civilian population.

    On top of that, the IDF opens fire upon people trying to obtain food.
    Why are you sure about the IDF firing upon civilians getting food? There is a total lack of footage of these incidents.

    Former British officer Andrew Fox wrote a very long piece about the situation. The claim is that there is plenty of aid inside Gaza but the UN is refusing to distribute it under the support of the GHF. They preferred the system whereby they would take the aid in and it would end up with Hamas. The GHF seems like a reasonable attempt to break the Hamas/NGO cesspit in Gaza.

    The UN insists it must be 'neutral'. So that[s neutral between one party sending in aid to Gaza and one that states it has no responsibility for the welfare of Gazan people. That's up to them I suppose.

    https://x.com/Mr_Andrew_Fox/status/1948368871317971237

    I wouldn't trust the likes of the BBC on this.
    But you do trust Richard Kemp and whichever spittle flecked mouthpiece the Israeli gov puts up?

    Chacun à son gout.
    I think he's a reasonable source. A former senior Army officer who served Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.
    And who lost a libel case for The Jewish News by lying about Baroness Warsi.
    Richard Kemp is a director of a UK charity that raises funds for the IDF, the charity has been censored by the charity commission for using video of drone strikes in their fundraising material. He is not an impartial commentator.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,086

    Sean_F said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    Since the Israeli government has blocked, firstly in whole, now in part, the import of food, in order to put pressure on Hamas, it seems fair to put a lot of the blame on them. Israel is a signatory to the Geneva Conventions, and Article 55 requires an occupying power to provide food and medicines to the civilian population.

    On top of that, the IDF opens fire upon people trying to obtain food.
    Why are you sure about the IDF firing upon civilians getting food? There is a total lack of footage of these incidents.

    Former British officer Andrew Fox wrote a very long piece about the situation. The claim is that there is plenty of aid inside Gaza but the UN is refusing to distribute it under the support of the GHF. They preferred the system whereby they would take the aid in and it would end up with Hamas. The GHF seems like a reasonable attempt to break the Hamas/NGO cesspit in Gaza.

    The UN insists it must be 'neutral'. So that[s neutral between one party sending in aid to Gaza and one that states it has no responsibility for the welfare of Gazan people. That's up to them I suppose.

    https://x.com/Mr_Andrew_Fox/status/1948368871317971237

    I wouldn't trust the likes of the BBC on this.
    But you do trust Richard Kemp and whichever spittle flecked mouthpiece the Israeli gov puts up?

    Chacun à son gout.
    I think he's a reasonable source. A former senior Army officer who served Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.
    The Tony Blair that claimed that Iraq could deploy weapons of mass destruction with 45 minutes? That Tony Blair?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,425
    edited July 26
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Wow. Nearly 1 in every 6 phones that are stolen in Europe are stolen in … London (The Times)

    London is so over …"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1948996990915748199

    And yet we are constantly told we are “imagining the lawlessness”

    Roll on Nigel, PM
    As we were told earlier. Crime is lower than it was 30 years ago. So no problem.
    The crime surveys are bullshit

    Edit to add: an expert on X did a cogent takedown of the British Crime Survey, explaining why it and its ilk are increasingly skewed and useless. I’ll try and find it
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 427
    Sean_F said:

    Sean_F said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    Since the Israeli government has blocked, firstly in whole, now in part, the import of food, in order to put pressure on Hamas, it seems fair to put a lot of the blame on them. Israel is a signatory to the Geneva Conventions, and Article 55 requires an occupying power to provide food and medicines to the civilian population.

    On top of that, the IDF opens fire upon people trying to obtain food.
    Why are you sure about the IDF firing upon civilians getting food? There is a total lack of footage of these incidents.

    Former British officer Andrew Fox wrote a very long piece about the situation. The claim is that there is plenty of aid inside Gaza but the UN is refusing to distribute it under the support of the GHF. They preferred the system whereby they would take the aid in and it would end up with Hamas. The GHF seems like a reasonable attempt to break the Hamas/NGO cesspit in Gaza.

    The UN insists it must be 'neutral'. So that[s neutral between one party sending in aid to Gaza and one that states it has no responsibility for the welfare of Gazan people. That's up to them I suppose.

    https://x.com/Mr_Andrew_Fox/status/1948368871317971237

    I wouldn't trust the likes of the BBC on this.
    I'm being asked to believe that the only people who are telling the truth are the Netanyahu administration, and the Trump administration. Both Netanyahu and Trump are strangers to the truth.

    By contrast, I'm meant to believe that Hamas are lying (and I believe they are); the UN are lying (and I don't place much faith in them); every aid agency is lying (unlikely); the Israeli left wing opposition and Haaretz are lying (most unlikely); the BBC is lying (the BBC has a bias, but it does not make up stories); Lord Sumption and Edward Leigh are lying (extremely unlikely).

    The weight of evidence suggests that the people of Gaza are being starved, and that this is policy.
    From what I can see Olmert and Lapid have criticised the handling of the war and questioned the government's strategy. They may well be right. But on the question of aid it remains to be answered why the UN won't co-operate with the GHF. If stopping starvation is the priority and Israel has justifiable concern about the aid previously ending up in Hamas hands, why be so intransigent?

    I think we are suffering from having a government that feels the need to pander to antisemites and an opposition that is useless. I couldn't understand why Badenoch chose Priti Patel to be Shadow foreign Sec over Tom Tugendhat who I suspect would have been far better on this.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,922
    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    The daily stories about the aid queues are pure Hamas propoganda, and backed up by the UN agencies.

    The non-Hamas NGO distributing aid is a massive threat to the whole ecosystem that’s been taking the money for decades, and they’ve hoodwinnked a lot of the international media into going along with the story,
    Interesting perspective from someone who lives in the Gulf. I must say I have very considerable difficulty in accepting the 'word' of Hamas, but I think that the BBC is usually very careful about accuracy.
    If there were daily atrocities in aid queues, why are there no photographs or videos of them?
    The BBC is quoting the UN agencies, which at this point are totally captured by Hamas.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cy8k8045nx9o

    Anthony Aguilar is not a Hamas stooge.

    A retired US special forces officer has revealed to the BBC why he resigned from his work with US- and Israel-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) aid distribution centres.

    "I witnessed the Israeli Defense Forces shooting at the crowds of Palestinians," Anthony Aguilar told the BBC.

    He added that in his entire career he has never witnessed such a level of "brutality and use of indiscriminate and unnecessary force against a civilian population, an unarmed, starving population".


    Hamas must be the most brilliant propagandists in history, if they can persuade people who are long-standing supporters of Israel that starvation, and murder of people queuing for food, are taking place.
    So where are the pictures of the IDF shooting into crowds at aid distribution centres?
    If a side ban journalists from entering it is frankly a bit silly to say things can't be happening because no journalists are documenting it as they would if they were there.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,089
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Wow. Nearly 1 in every 6 phones that are stolen in Europe are stolen in … London (The Times)

    London is so over …"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1948996990915748199

    And yet we are constantly told we are “imagining the lawlessness”

    Roll on Nigel, PM
    As we were told earlier. Crime is lower than it was 30 years ago. So no problem.
    Of course.

    If you stop reporting crime, then reported crime goes down.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522
    edited July 26
    England should keep India in the field until 2:30pm because that would mean they've had to field for 2 full days, and that usually exhausts the fielding side players involved, both mentally and physically.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,335
    England to get to a lead off 250 and declare?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993

    England to get to a lead off 250 and declare?

    Declare 12.20 give them 5 or 6 really violent overs before lunch
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,253
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Wow. Nearly 1 in every 6 phones that are stolen in Europe are stolen in … London (The Times)

    London is so over …"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1948996990915748199

    And yet we are constantly told we are “imagining the lawlessness”

    Roll on Nigel, PM
    As we were told earlier. Crime is lower than it was 30 years ago. So no problem.
    Source:

    SquareTrade, an American company that offers gadget insurance across Europe, analysed claims data across its 12 European markets and found that Britons now make 39 per cent of all phone theft and loss claims, despite ­making up less than 10 per cent of its European customers.

    There are so many ways that that extrapolation is dodgy.

    Not to say there isn't a problem, but it's a dodgy extrapolation.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,086
    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Wow. Nearly 1 in every 6 phones that are stolen in Europe are stolen in … London (The Times)

    London is so over …"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1948996990915748199

    And yet we are constantly told we are “imagining the lawlessness”

    Roll on Nigel, PM
    As we were told earlier. Crime is lower than it was 30 years ago. So no problem.
    Is that actual crime, reported crime or solved crime?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    When we win, India are 0/3 with Bumrah this series. Hes officially gash
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,089

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    The daily stories about the aid queues are pure Hamas propoganda, and backed up by the UN agencies.

    The non-Hamas NGO distributing aid is a massive threat to the whole ecosystem that’s been taking the money for decades, and they’ve hoodwinnked a lot of the international media into going along with the story,
    Interesting perspective from someone who lives in the Gulf. I must say I have very considerable difficulty in accepting the 'word' of Hamas, but I think that the BBC is usually very careful about accuracy.
    If there were daily atrocities in aid queues, why are there no photographs or videos of them?
    The BBC is quoting the UN agencies, which at this point are totally captured by Hamas.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cy8k8045nx9o

    Anthony Aguilar is not a Hamas stooge.

    A retired US special forces officer has revealed to the BBC why he resigned from his work with US- and Israel-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) aid distribution centres.

    "I witnessed the Israeli Defense Forces shooting at the crowds of Palestinians," Anthony Aguilar told the BBC.

    He added that in his entire career he has never witnessed such a level of "brutality and use of indiscriminate and unnecessary force against a civilian population, an unarmed, starving population".


    Hamas must be the most brilliant propagandists in history, if they can persuade people who are long-standing supporters of Israel that starvation, and murder of people queuing for food, are taking place.
    So where are the pictures of the IDF shooting into crowds at aid distribution centres?
    If a side ban journalists from entering it is frankly a bit silly to say things can't be happening because no journalists are documenting it as they would if they were there.
    Whether or not there’s official journalists there or not, everyone has a phone these days and if there were massacres of humans at aid distribution points there would be photos and vidoes of these atrocities.

    But there’s no photos and no videos.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,425
    edited July 26

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Wow. Nearly 1 in every 6 phones that are stolen in Europe are stolen in … London (The Times)

    London is so over …"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1948996990915748199

    And yet we are constantly told we are “imagining the lawlessness”

    Roll on Nigel, PM
    As we were told earlier. Crime is lower than it was 30 years ago. So no problem.
    Source:

    SquareTrade, an American company that offers gadget insurance across Europe, analysed claims data across its 12 European markets and found that Britons now make 39 per cent of all phone theft and loss claims, despite ­making up less than 10 per cent of its European customers.

    There are so many ways that that extrapolation is dodgy.

    Not to say there isn't a problem, but it's a dodgy extrapolation.
    Millions of people know this is true. I travel incessantly

    The European city where I am most hyper aware of losing my phone is London. By a big distance

  • TazTaz Posts: 19,904
    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Wow. Nearly 1 in every 6 phones that are stolen in Europe are stolen in … London (The Times)

    London is so over …"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1948996990915748199

    And yet we are constantly told we are “imagining the lawlessness”

    Roll on Nigel, PM
    As we were told earlier. Crime is lower than it was 30 years ago. So no problem.
    Of course.

    If you stop reporting crime, then reported crime goes down.
    Well what’s the point if nothing happens
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,904

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Wow. Nearly 1 in every 6 phones that are stolen in Europe are stolen in … London (The Times)

    London is so over …"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1948996990915748199

    And yet we are constantly told we are “imagining the lawlessness”

    Roll on Nigel, PM
    As we were told earlier. Crime is lower than it was 30 years ago. So no problem.
    Is that actual crime, reported crime or solved crime?
    Reported IIRC
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,922
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    The daily stories about the aid queues are pure Hamas propoganda, and backed up by the UN agencies.

    The non-Hamas NGO distributing aid is a massive threat to the whole ecosystem that’s been taking the money for decades, and they’ve hoodwinnked a lot of the international media into going along with the story,
    Interesting perspective from someone who lives in the Gulf. I must say I have very considerable difficulty in accepting the 'word' of Hamas, but I think that the BBC is usually very careful about accuracy.
    If there were daily atrocities in aid queues, why are there no photographs or videos of them?
    The BBC is quoting the UN agencies, which at this point are totally captured by Hamas.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cy8k8045nx9o

    Anthony Aguilar is not a Hamas stooge.

    A retired US special forces officer has revealed to the BBC why he resigned from his work with US- and Israel-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) aid distribution centres.

    "I witnessed the Israeli Defense Forces shooting at the crowds of Palestinians," Anthony Aguilar told the BBC.

    He added that in his entire career he has never witnessed such a level of "brutality and use of indiscriminate and unnecessary force against a civilian population, an unarmed, starving population".


    Hamas must be the most brilliant propagandists in history, if they can persuade people who are long-standing supporters of Israel that starvation, and murder of people queuing for food, are taking place.
    So where are the pictures of the IDF shooting into crowds at aid distribution centres?
    If a side ban journalists from entering it is frankly a bit silly to say things can't be happening because no journalists are documenting it as they would if they were there.
    Whether or not there’s official journalists there or not, everyone has a phone these days and if there were massacres of humans at aid distribution points there would be photos and vidoes of these atrocities.

    But there’s no photos and no videos.
    Err, where are Gazans charging their phones?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522

    England to get to a lead off 250 and declare?

    Declare 12.20 give them 5 or 6 really violent overs before lunch
    No, plenty of time to bat until lunch, and may be a few overs afterwards.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,335
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    The daily stories about the aid queues are pure Hamas propoganda, and backed up by the UN agencies.

    The non-Hamas NGO distributing aid is a massive threat to the whole ecosystem that’s been taking the money for decades, and they’ve hoodwinnked a lot of the international media into going along with the story,
    Interesting perspective from someone who lives in the Gulf. I must say I have very considerable difficulty in accepting the 'word' of Hamas, but I think that the BBC is usually very careful about accuracy.
    If there were daily atrocities in aid queues, why are there no photographs or videos of them?
    The BBC is quoting the UN agencies, which at this point are totally captured by Hamas.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cy8k8045nx9o

    Anthony Aguilar is not a Hamas stooge.

    A retired US special forces officer has revealed to the BBC why he resigned from his work with US- and Israel-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) aid distribution centres.

    "I witnessed the Israeli Defense Forces shooting at the crowds of Palestinians," Anthony Aguilar told the BBC.

    He added that in his entire career he has never witnessed such a level of "brutality and use of indiscriminate and unnecessary force against a civilian population, an unarmed, starving population".


    Hamas must be the most brilliant propagandists in history, if they can persuade people who are long-standing supporters of Israel that starvation, and murder of people queuing for food, are taking place.
    So where are the pictures of the IDF shooting into crowds at aid distribution centres?
    If a side ban journalists from entering it is frankly a bit silly to say things can't be happening because no journalists are documenting it as they would if they were there.
    Whether or not there’s official journalists there or not, everyone has a phone these days and if there were massacres of humans at aid distribution points there would be photos and vidoes of these atrocities.

    But there’s no photos and no videos.
    As I pointed out earlier, if there's no infrastructure, including electricity, mobile phones can't be charged, One or two people do, though, seem to be able to take pictures, chiefly of crowds of people trying to get soup.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,086
    Leon said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Wow. Nearly 1 in every 6 phones that are stolen in Europe are stolen in … London (The Times)

    London is so over …"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1948996990915748199

    And yet we are constantly told we are “imagining the lawlessness”

    Roll on Nigel, PM
    As we were told earlier. Crime is lower than it was 30 years ago. So no problem.
    Source:

    SquareTrade, an American company that offers gadget insurance across Europe, analysed claims data across its 12 European markets and found that Britons now make 39 per cent of all phone theft and loss claims, despite ­making up less than 10 per cent of its European customers.

    There are so many ways that that extrapolation is dodgy.

    Not to say there isn't a problem, but it's a dodgy extrapolation.
    Millions of people know this is true. I travel incessantly

    The European city where I am most hyper aware of losing my phone is London. By a big distance

    Ban electric bikes and electric scooters and phone crime will plummet.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,992
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Wow. Nearly 1 in every 6 phones that are stolen in Europe are stolen in … London (The Times)

    London is so over …"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1948996990915748199

    And yet we are constantly told we are “imagining the lawlessness”

    Roll on Nigel, PM
    As we were told earlier. Crime is lower than it was 30 years ago. So no problem.
    Of course.

    If you stop reporting crime, then reported crime goes down.
    Well what’s the point if nothing happens
    Normally insurance and a crime number. I am doubtful there has been much of a drop in reported crime (other than, possibly, shop lifting where shops seem to have given up).
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,425
    Multiculturalism Going So Well, part 7,926

    Intimidation campaign’ by supporters of pro-Gaza MP leaves town in terror
    ‘Bullying and harassment’ in Dewsbury fuels fears of sectarian politics after Oct 7 attacks

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/26/intimidation-campaign-crime-pro-gaza-mp-dewsbury-yorkshire/
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    Andy_JS said:

    England to get to a lead off 250 and declare?

    Declare 12.20 give them 5 or 6 really violent overs before lunch
    No, plenty of time to bat until lunch, and may be a few overs afterwards.
    That's far too TCCB for me.
    Instant gratification then lunch
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,335

    England to get to a lead off 250 and declare?


    Oh well, maybe 300!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    Didn't India used to be somebody?
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 427
    There may be serious issues with the GHF but if our government can't bring itself to criticise the UN and its chummy relationship with Hamas it is hard to take them seriously.

    Is this the zeitgeist Mexicanpete has in mind?

    https://x.com/uprising_1/status/1948804542747082884
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,992

    England to get to a lead off 250 and declare?


    Oh well, maybe 300!
    No great rush, the weather forecast seems to have improved a bit, the pitch is wearing all the time, India's batsmen are being knackered by running to all parts and demoralised and their bowlers are really struggling.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 4,799

    Taz said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Wow. Nearly 1 in every 6 phones that are stolen in Europe are stolen in … London (The Times)

    London is so over …"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1948996990915748199

    And yet we are constantly told we are “imagining the lawlessness”

    Roll on Nigel, PM
    As we were told earlier. Crime is lower than it was 30 years ago. So no problem.
    Source:

    SquareTrade, an American company that offers gadget insurance across Europe, analysed claims data across its 12 European markets and found that Britons now make 39 per cent of all phone theft and loss claims, despite ­making up less than 10 per cent of its European customers.

    There are so many ways that that extrapolation is dodgy.

    Not to say there isn't a problem, but it's a dodgy extrapolation.
    Of course it's dodgy, but that won't stop the usual suspects taking it as gospel because it suits their ideology.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,089
    edited July 26

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    The daily stories about the aid queues are pure Hamas propoganda, and backed up by the UN agencies.

    The non-Hamas NGO distributing aid is a massive threat to the whole ecosystem that’s been taking the money for decades, and they’ve hoodwinnked a lot of the international media into going along with the story,
    Interesting perspective from someone who lives in the Gulf. I must say I have very considerable difficulty in accepting the 'word' of Hamas, but I think that the BBC is usually very careful about accuracy.
    If there were daily atrocities in aid queues, why are there no photographs or videos of them?
    The BBC is quoting the UN agencies, which at this point are totally captured by Hamas.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cy8k8045nx9o

    Anthony Aguilar is not a Hamas stooge.

    A retired US special forces officer has revealed to the BBC why he resigned from his work with US- and Israel-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) aid distribution centres.

    "I witnessed the Israeli Defense Forces shooting at the crowds of Palestinians," Anthony Aguilar told the BBC.

    He added that in his entire career he has never witnessed such a level of "brutality and use of indiscriminate and unnecessary force against a civilian population, an unarmed, starving population".


    Hamas must be the most brilliant propagandists in history, if they can persuade people who are long-standing supporters of Israel that starvation, and murder of people queuing for food, are taking place.
    So where are the pictures of the IDF shooting into crowds at aid distribution centres?
    If a side ban journalists from entering it is frankly a bit silly to say things can't be happening because no journalists are documenting it as they would if they were there.
    Whether or not there’s official journalists there or not, everyone has a phone these days and if there were massacres of humans at aid distribution points there would be photos and vidoes of these atrocities.

    But there’s no photos and no videos.
    As I pointed out earlier, if there's no infrastructure, including electricity, mobile phones can't be charged, One or two people do, though, seem to be able to take pictures, chiefly of crowds of people trying to get soup.
    Where are the videos of the massacres that Hamas claim are happening at the aid distribution centres?

    Actual journalists turning up there would have cameras and batteries.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,434

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    But they do have some responsibility, surely. They claim to be the government of the Gaza Strip. We keep hearing about the Hamas run Gazan Health Ministry.
    That's not to be read as suggesting I support the Israeli position; I don't understand how the great-nephews of people who died in Auschwitz and the like can behave in this way.
    Learned behaviour. Men that were abused as children are more likely to abuse others. Races that suffered ethnic cleansing are more likely to commit ethnic cleansing on other races.
    That's true of course. Sadly.
    But those on power should rise above that, although of course Netanyahu is in a class (and a very unpleasant one) of his own.
    Dunno, I think Trump and Putin would fit pretty well in Bibi’s class of lying, sociopathic crooks.
    I’m struck by the similarities in the bits I see of Israeli and Russian media, mainstream and social: racist deranged talking heads on talk shows, racist deranged politicians, the conflation of a whole civilian population with their version of the enemy (Palestinians=Hamas, Ukrainians=Nazis), unconcerned about killing these people, attacking and arresting dissenting voices. Trumpland is getting there.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,205
    edited July 26
    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    The daily stories about the aid queues are pure Hamas propoganda, and backed up by the UN agencies.

    The non-Hamas NGO distributing aid is a massive threat to the whole ecosystem that’s been taking the money for decades, and they’ve hoodwinnked a lot of the international media into going along with the story,
    Interesting perspective from someone who lives in the Gulf. I must say I have very considerable difficulty in accepting the 'word' of Hamas, but I think that the BBC is usually very careful about accuracy.
    If there were daily atrocities in aid queues, why are there no photographs or videos of them?
    The BBC is quoting the UN agencies, which at this point are totally captured by Hamas.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cy8k8045nx9o

    Anthony Aguilar is not a Hamas stooge.

    A retired US special forces officer has revealed to the BBC why he resigned from his work with US- and Israel-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF) aid distribution centres.

    "I witnessed the Israeli Defense Forces shooting at the crowds of Palestinians," Anthony Aguilar told the BBC.

    He added that in his entire career he has never witnessed such a level of "brutality and use of indiscriminate and unnecessary force against a civilian population, an unarmed, starving population".


    Hamas must be the most brilliant propagandists in history, if they can persuade people who are long-standing supporters of Israel that starvation, and murder of people queuing for food, are taking place.
    So where are the pictures of the IDF shooting into crowds at aid distribution centres?
    International journalists are barred from Gaza. That is usually the behaviour of a government that has much to hide.

    If and when we do get pictures, I'm sure that they will be dismissed as deepfakes, in any case.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,992
    Carse can really bat. At 10. Jeez.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    660 would get into the top 50 test innings of all time
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,010
    It might all get even worse for America:

    Jim Kessler (the executive vice president for policy of the centrist Democratic organization Third Way):

    “It’s all but certain that Bobby Jr [RFK jr]. is going to run for president as a Republican in 2028...”

    NY Times
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,681

    660 would get into the top 50 test innings of all time

    Looks like I called it wrong! Yesterday afternoon I thought we would do well to get to 550/560.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993

    660 would get into the top 50 test innings of all time

    Looks like I called it wrong! Yesterday afternoon I thought we would do well to get to 550/560.
    India have been battered
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,434

    There may be serious issues with the GHF but if our government can't bring itself to criticise the UN and its chummy relationship with Hamas it is hard to take them seriously.

    Is this the zeitgeist Mexicanpete has in mind?

    https://x.com/uprising_1/status/1948804542747082884

    Thank goodness someone has picked up the baton of brave only-asking-questions William Glenn.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,522
    Be nice to see Carse get a 50 here.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    edited July 26
    Highest test innings score of 2025 so far
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,228
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Matt Goodwin
    @GoodwinMJ

    Wow. Nearly 1 in every 6 phones that are stolen in Europe are stolen in … London (The Times)

    London is so over …"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1948996990915748199

    And yet we are constantly told we are “imagining the lawlessness”

    Roll on Nigel, PM
    In London to get some paperwork sorted so decided to go looking for the barricades. None so far. Thought I saw people preparing Molotov cocktails but they were filling them with other stuff due to the lack of public toilets.

    Will see if I can find some of these shoplifters but nothing so far. Beginning to think Reform and their supporters are full of it.

    Checked out Battersea Power Station. What an amazing place. Rather have wind turbines that dirty thermal power stations (mainly due to visiting a lot of them)
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,335
    Stokes out. Lead over 300. Obviously going on to lunch.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,272

    Sean_F said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    Since the Israeli government has blocked, firstly in whole, now in part, the import of food, in order to put pressure on Hamas, it seems fair to put a lot of the blame on them. Israel is a signatory to the Geneva Conventions, and Article 55 requires an occupying power to provide food and medicines to the civilian population.

    On top of that, the IDF opens fire upon people trying to obtain food.
    Why are you sure about the IDF firing upon civilians getting food? There is a total lack of footage of these incidents.

    Former British officer Andrew Fox wrote a very long piece about the situation. The claim is that there is plenty of aid inside Gaza but the UN is refusing to distribute it under the support of the GHF. They preferred the system whereby they would take the aid in and it would end up with Hamas. The GHF seems like a reasonable attempt to break the Hamas/NGO cesspit in Gaza.

    The UN insists it must be 'neutral'. So that[s neutral between one party sending in aid to Gaza and one that states it has no responsibility for the welfare of Gazan people. That's up to them I suppose.

    https://x.com/Mr_Andrew_Fox/status/1948368871317971237

    I wouldn't trust the likes of the BBC on this.
    Both Haaretz and the Telegraph have reported on the IDF shooting those queuing for aid. Are they also part of some anti-Israel, left wing propaganda?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    5th highest ever England innings total
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,473
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    MattW said:

    moonshine said:

    MattW said:

    kjh said:

    Taz said:

    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage is just displaying what an idiot he is.

    No, he's just displaying his mastery of vibe campaigning.

    it.
    Exactly this

    How can people not see this.
    Nope. Tried but clearly not connecting with Rolex owners like me.
    You’re not his target audience.

    I don’t own a Rolex. Just an Apple Watch. I doubt many people own a Rolex
    Agree. The audience is people who would like to own a Rolex and probably never will.

    PS I'm not his audience and don't own a watch ( just to complicate the overlapping and not overlapping sets)
    The audience is people stuck in the 1970s who still imagine a Rolex is desirable.
    Rolex is a cultural short hand for aspiration and success. The average punter doesn’t have a Rolex. But they sure as hell know how little of an f the police gave when their van was broken into and the tools of their livelihood were stolen. The meme works also for the latter middle aged parent that gets a bit of a shiver by the characters they encounter when they visit their 20-something kids in the edgy bits of town.

    The thing that worries me most personally is what happens if / when Farage proves he doesn’t have the will or wit to deliver the things his backers want. Musk: “This guy doesn’t have what it takes”. Musk is one of the greatest hirers of talent on earth and took a pass at Nige after the interview. Unless Farage can get the right people to join, I suspect his govt will last three months before floundering. To be replaced by what…
    At the risk of offending all the PB Rolex-wearers, I'd tend to regard people who need "bling" (and I include Rolexes) as a sign of their own importance to be the kind who would feel a need to put a shuttlecock down their trousers, or say misbehave in a motor vehicle (loud exhaust, traffic light race, shiny sports car etc), to convince themselves, their friends and perhaps 'the ladies' how important they are. It's a stance devoid of any class.

    As with Farage, imo it's valuable to flip the script, and attach value to things that are more important.

    With Farage, Anderson, and now some on the right of the Conservative Party, their politics has become a politics of fear and loathing, which are being adopted from the further (choose your word) Right.

    One interesting insight is that the people who appeared on the streets of Ashfield the other particularly day to promote hatred of Muslims, and try and stir up locals in the same beliefs, are unlikely to have ever met any normal, everyday Muslims - so are easier to gull.

    That's the type of cultural script that needs to be flipped. I don't see whether that will happen; it's another reason Mr Starmer needs to fix his comms.
    The British are generally a tolerant, easy going bunch. There aren’t that many here who have any problem at all with our Muslim shop keepers, taxi driverss, doctors or even (gasp) lawyers. What an increasing percentage are uncomfortable with is the admittance of uneducated rural peasants from some of the roughest parts on earth. Many of whom have entered illegally and not carrying ID.

    Thanks to countless centuries of fairly isolated cultural development, a worrying proportion of such arrivals seem to have attitudes that are quite incompatible with the existing residents of Britain, be they Christian, atheist, Muslim or otherwise. No one wants their daughters raped.

    So I find it sad how the British left seems so unwilling to recognise that most people in this country are fully aware of this nuance. “You’re an ignorant knuckle dragger that knows no Muslims and can be gulled into hating Muslims” is as effective in driving intolerance as anything that comes out the far right. Eventually the greater weight of opinion gives up the onerous task of maintaining a balanced, nuanced belief set and defaults to the easy choice of taking a black and white position.
    "There aren’t that many here who have any problem at all with our Muslim shop keepers, taxi driverss, doctors or even (gasp) lawyers. "

    The problem is they don't differentiate between those people and the so-called wrong-un's, or even just people who were born here. Hence the hysteria over the wrong "white British" figures.

    It's very hard to believe that people who screech about 'white British' or Muslims don't have a problem with your list. Because they evidently do, because they are referring to all Muslims.
    You overuse the verb “screech”. It’s a verbal tic and it’s decidedly irritating
    If you didn't SCREECH so much, I wouldn't need to use it. :)
    Just stop using it. Brush up your vocab. English is an enormously wealthy language: exploit it
    If you lived in a tribe, they would have ten different words for twat, for sure...
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,772

    Sean_F said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    Since the Israeli government has blocked, firstly in whole, now in part, the import of food, in order to put pressure on Hamas, it seems fair to put a lot of the blame on them. Israel is a signatory to the Geneva Conventions, and Article 55 requires an occupying power to provide food and medicines to the civilian population.

    On top of that, the IDF opens fire upon people trying to obtain food.
    Why are you sure about the IDF firing upon civilians getting food? There is a total lack of footage of these incidents.

    Former British officer Andrew Fox wrote a very long piece about the situation. The claim is that there is plenty of aid inside Gaza but the UN is refusing to distribute it under the support of the GHF. They preferred the system whereby they would take the aid in and it would end up with Hamas. The GHF seems like a reasonable attempt to break the Hamas/NGO cesspit in Gaza.

    The UN insists it must be 'neutral'. So that[s neutral between one party sending in aid to Gaza and one that states it has no responsibility for the welfare of Gazan people. That's up to them I suppose.

    https://x.com/Mr_Andrew_Fox/status/1948368871317971237

    I wouldn't trust the likes of the BBC on this.
    Both Haaretz and the Telegraph have reported on the IDF shooting those queuing for aid. Are they also part of some anti-Israel, left wing propaganda?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QheOoKFNpL8
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,992
    That's pretty much perfect for England.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,272
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Some people in Gaza are starving. Israel blames the UN. The UN blames Israel. everyone sides with the UN. Why?

    No-one asks about the role of Hamas who to be fair are honest enough to admit that they have no responsibility for making sure the Gazans don't starve.

    The daily stories about the aid queues are pure Hamas propoganda, and backed up by the UN agencies.

    The non-Hamas NGO distributing aid is a massive threat to the whole ecosystem that’s been taking the money for decades, and they’ve hoodwinnked a lot of the international media into going along with the story,
    Interesting perspective from someone who lives in the Gulf. I must say I have very considerable difficulty in accepting the 'word' of Hamas, but I think that the BBC is usually very careful about accuracy.
    If there were daily atrocities in aid queues, why are there no photographs or videos of them?

    The BBC is quoting the UN agencies, which at this point are totally captured by Hamas.
    Because Israel doesn't allow any foreign journalists in Gaza and the local ones get shot?
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