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  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,426

    I think family reunions should be barred under asylum rules. Article 8 should be heavily qualified or disapplied - it was supposed to protect your right to respect for your private life, and to enjoy your existing home peacefully, without inference from the authorities. I'm baffled as to how it expanded to become the right to bring your family over wherever they reside.

    If you applied and qualified for a work visa you wouldn't have the automatic right to bring over your extended family, and nor should it be different for asylum cases.

    Yes, it's hard to move to a new country by yourself, without all your family - but people have done it throughout the centuries as part of the choice of emigration.

    Blair introduced that. Not sure if it was done by primary legislation but it was a policy choice
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,752
    Pagan2 said:

    Frankly we need a civil war in this country. Not against muslims or immigrants but against the people that are in the nu10k

    If there’s only 10k of them that’s not much of a civil war. Not even a Khmer Rouge style massacre. More like a purge, in the fashion of Stalin. But then of course there would be the supporters of the nu10k, or suspected supporters. And spies, and collaborators. Including former purge leaders who are no longer trusted by other purge leaders. And their families. Before long we’re getting more comfortably into post-French Revolution territory.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,226

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Good god. The Online Safety Act is insanely bad

    Is it because it's stopping you from saying things untrue which causes psychological harm?
    Imbecile
    Oh dear, should you be saying untrue things like that? It may cause me psychological harm...
    You cant be pyscholically harmed you are a leftie and harmed yourself
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,433
    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Frankly we need a civil war in this country. Not against muslims or immigrants but against the people that are in the nu10k

    If there’s only 10k of them that’s not much of a civil war. Not even a Khmer Rouge style massacre. More like a purge, in the fashion of Stalin. But then of course there would be the supporters of the nu10k, or suspected supporters. And spies, and collaborators. Including former purge leaders who are no longer trusted by other purge leaders. And their families. Before long we’re getting more comfortably into post-French Revolution territory.
    And the problem is?
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,740
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Good god. The Online Safety Act is insanely bad

    Is it because it's stopping you from saying things untrue which causes psychological harm?
    The online safety bill is more likely to stop you telling the truth than lies.....lets face it everything a politician or a civil servant says is a complete and under lie...the online safety bill merely makes it a crime to point it out
    It wouldn't be an untrue claim though,
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,226
    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Frankly we need a civil war in this country. Not against muslims or immigrants but against the people that are in the nu10k

    If there’s only 10k of them that’s not much of a civil war. Not even a Khmer Rouge style massacre. More like a purge, in the fashion of Stalin. But then of course there would be the supporters of the nu10k, or suspected supporters. And spies, and collaborators. Including former purge leaders who are no longer trusted by other purge leaders. And their families. Before long we’re getting more comfortably into post-French Revolution territory.
    Well it wont take to many bullets
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,907
    TimS said:

    I seem to have jinxed the cricket with my ill advised comment a couple of hours ago.

    Sent from a glamorous sunny Le Touquet



    Ooh, I was there 2 days ago.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,907
    Leon said:

    They are simply trolling us now

    “Hundreds of Nigerian ‘authors’ use visa scheme to enter Britain
    ‘Poets and bloggers’ can come to UK on talent visa despite Labour’s pledge to reduce immigration”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/26/hundreds-nigerian-authors-use-visa-scheme-to-enter-britain/

    Fag end of the Boriswave?

    Remember Boris, he was your previous squeeze.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,996
    My goodness, has this been a frustrating day. From 0-2 to 165-2. And to be honest there have been damn few chances. This team is very good with the bat but they seriously need a cutting edge with the ball. Woods is a terrible miss.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,740

    Leon said:

    They are simply trolling us now

    “Hundreds of Nigerian ‘authors’ use visa scheme to enter Britain
    ‘Poets and bloggers’ can come to UK on talent visa despite Labour’s pledge to reduce immigration”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/26/hundreds-nigerian-authors-use-visa-scheme-to-enter-britain/

    Fag end of the Boriswave?

    Remember Boris, he was your previous squeeze.
    Now that's psychological harmful for Leon, but true though so allowed.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,926
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Also this:

    “The ‘Online Safety Act’ makes it an offence to say something that is false which causes “non-trivial psychological harm”.

    Platforms would also be forced to proactively censor the speech.

    The Tories deserve their extinction and Reform will restore free speech.”

    https://x.com/ziayusufuk/status/1949065564866871440?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Online safety act, wave upon wave of immigration, smoking ban, woke infestation. "Tories".
    This was passed, essentially, because so many Tory MPs - specifically women - received vile abuse.

    But politicians never seem to do a proper impact assessment of any legislation they draft.

    They stop at the soundbite and rhetoric.
    Because politicians are the stupidest people on earth while at the same time believing they are intelligent
    Nah, that is people who rant on and on about IQ.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,149

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Good god. The Online Safety Act is insanely bad

    Is it because it's stopping you from saying things untrue which causes psychological harm?
    The online safety bill is more likely to stop you telling the truth than lies.....lets face it everything a politician or a civil servant says is a complete and under lie...the online safety bill merely makes it a crime to point it out
    It wouldn't be an untrue claim though,
    I look forward to our esteemed Prime Minister's social media feed being blocked for lies and psychological harm.

    I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find examples of both.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,681
    DavidL said:

    My goodness, has this been a frustrating day. From 0-2 to 165-2. And to be honest there have been damn few chances. This team is very good with the bat but they seriously need a cutting edge with the ball. Woods is a terrible miss.

    A draw is virtually certain now

    India do deserve credit for how they have kept us out for two sessions
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,555
    edited July 26

    Nigelb said:

    Government should get on with this - and CPO the land so the entire planning gain doesn't end up with developers.

    ‘We have to move’: historic village of Tempsford reels from plan to swell its 600 residents to 350,000
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/26/first-came-the-romans-then-the-danes-now-the-housebuilders-are-coming-for-tempsford-rural-bedfordshire

    350,000???!

    Maybe they will reopen the railway station after all! Mentioned in East West railway plan but would be justified in isolation as a reopening for the London to Peterborough main line given this.
    At 30 per hectare 150k dwellings is 20 square miles. Windfall at 150k per plot would be £22.5 billion. Development corporation at 2x agricultural value, I suggest. Higher density centrally, and it is a Leicester or a Nottingham.

    Very sensible. Milton Keynes is a good model in some respects. Smothered in trees is great. But don't make it roundabout city.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,926
    Leon said:

    Endless. Endless


    “Former Taliban fighters are living in the UK after being airlifted from Afghanistan on British mercy flights, The Telegraph has been told.

    The jihadis were allegedly among thousands of people brought here for their own safety because they were on a leaked list of names of Afghans who had applied to come to the UK”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/26/taliban-fighters-brought-to-britain-in-kill-list-airlift/

    Stop reading the Telegraph - bar the pretty good sports section. Life will be better.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,272

    Sean_F said:

    Nigelb said:

    nova said:

    Leon said:

    They are simply trolling us now

    “Hundreds of Nigerian ‘authors’ use visa scheme to enter Britain
    ‘Poets and bloggers’ can come to UK on talent visa despite Labour’s pledge to reduce immigration”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/26/hundreds-nigerian-authors-use-visa-scheme-to-enter-britain/

    The headline doesn't seem to match the article.

    If I'm reading it correctly, the article claims that over the last five years, an average of ten 'authors' a year have been 'endorsed' by the Arts Council.

    At that stage the Home Office gets a final sign off, but the article suggests that no data is available about how many of them were actually allowed in, and if they then entered Britain.
    As Leon explained, The Telegraph are trolling us.
    Five years since the Global Talent Visa was introduced but only four prime ministers. Bloody Gordon Brown!
    Most right wing voters now wish to burn the Conservative Party to the ground. They are “woke” to the fact the Conservatives have despised them for a long time.
    I'm seriously considering voting Reform in Hampshire next year.

    Although I know several Conservative councillors that are fine gentlemen and women they mostly view their role as educating the voters and defending their officers.

    As a consequence, left-liberalism rules by default.
    What most attracts you to Reform? Is it the climate change denial? The anti-vax? Or maybe the endless office politics as they split and lose MPs? Or is it just how much they love Trump?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,226

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Also this:

    “The ‘Online Safety Act’ makes it an offence to say something that is false which causes “non-trivial psychological harm”.

    Platforms would also be forced to proactively censor the speech.

    The Tories deserve their extinction and Reform will restore free speech.”

    https://x.com/ziayusufuk/status/1949065564866871440?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Online safety act, wave upon wave of immigration, smoking ban, woke infestation. "Tories".
    This was passed, essentially, because so many Tory MPs - specifically women - received vile abuse.

    But politicians never seem to do a proper impact assessment of any legislation they draft.

    They stop at the soundbite and rhetoric.
    Because politicians are the stupidest people on earth while at the same time believing they are intelligent
    Nah, that is people who rant on and on about IQ.
    No its politicians and civil servants I have worked with many of both and sorry never yet met one that actually had a clue they are all stupid
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,433

    Sean_F said:

    Nigelb said:

    nova said:

    Leon said:

    They are simply trolling us now

    “Hundreds of Nigerian ‘authors’ use visa scheme to enter Britain
    ‘Poets and bloggers’ can come to UK on talent visa despite Labour’s pledge to reduce immigration”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/26/hundreds-nigerian-authors-use-visa-scheme-to-enter-britain/

    The headline doesn't seem to match the article.

    If I'm reading it correctly, the article claims that over the last five years, an average of ten 'authors' a year have been 'endorsed' by the Arts Council.

    At that stage the Home Office gets a final sign off, but the article suggests that no data is available about how many of them were actually allowed in, and if they then entered Britain.
    As Leon explained, The Telegraph are trolling us.
    Five years since the Global Talent Visa was introduced but only four prime ministers. Bloody Gordon Brown!
    Most right wing voters now wish to burn the Conservative Party to the ground. They are “woke” to the fact the Conservatives have despised them for a long time.
    I'm seriously considering voting Reform in Hampshire next year.

    Although I know several Conservative councillors that are fine gentlemen and women they mostly view their role as educating the voters and defending their officers.

    As a consequence, left-liberalism rules by default.
    What most attracts you to Reform? Is it the climate change denial? The anti-vax? Or maybe the endless office politics as they split and lose MPs? Or is it just how much they love Trump?
    Just one of the delights of a reform government is that it will terrify and outrage people like you
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,996
    nunu2 said:

    Leon said:

    Also this:

    “The ‘Online Safety Act’ makes it an offence to say something that is false which causes “non-trivial psychological harm”.

    Platforms would also be forced to proactively censor the speech.

    The Tories deserve their extinction and Reform will restore free speech.”

    https://x.com/ziayusufuk/status/1949065564866871440?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Online safety act, wave upon wave of immigration, smoking ban, woke infestation. "Tories".
    This was passed, essentially, because so many Tory MPs - specifically women - received vile abuse.

    But politicians never seem to do a proper impact assessment of any legislation they draft.

    They stop at the soundbite and rhetoric.
    They always feel the need to do *something* even if it makes it worse
    We must do something.
    This is something.
    Let's do it!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,893
    Pagan2 said:

    Frankly we need a civil war in this country. Not against muslims or immigrants but against the people that are in the nu10k

    Which means you’ve missed the point about the #NU10K

    They aren’t a conspiracy. It’s a Confederacy of likeminded Dunces. Who’ve been given power by default.

    Thatcher or Churchill had their equivalents running away gibbering. By raising an eyebrow.

    What you are suggesting is thermonuclear war against incompetent goldfish.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 4,740

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    Good god. The Online Safety Act is insanely bad

    Is it because it's stopping you from saying things untrue which causes psychological harm?
    The online safety bill is more likely to stop you telling the truth than lies.....lets face it everything a politician or a civil servant says is a complete and under lie...the online safety bill merely makes it a crime to point it out
    It wouldn't be an untrue claim though,
    I look forward to our esteemed Prime Minister's social media feed being blocked for lies and psychological harm.

    I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find examples of both.
    It wouldn't bother me if the social media channels were blocked for good for everyone.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,226

    Pagan2 said:

    Frankly we need a civil war in this country. Not against muslims or immigrants but against the people that are in the nu10k

    Which means you’ve missed the point about the #NU10K

    They aren’t a conspiracy. It’s a Confederacy of likeminded Dunces. Who’ve been given power by default.

    Thatcher or Churchill had their equivalents running away gibbering. By raising an eyebrow.

    What you are suggesting is thermonuclear war against incompetent goldfish.
    No I am just suggesting me put them up against a wall and shoot them
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,239

    Pagan2 said:

    Frankly we need a civil war in this country. Not against muslims or immigrants but against the people that are in the nu10k

    Which means you’ve missed the point about the #NU10K

    They aren’t a conspiracy. It’s a Confederacy of likeminded Dunces. Who’ve been given power by default.

    Thatcher or Churchill had their equivalents running away gibbering. By raising an eyebrow.

    What you are suggesting is thermonuclear war against incompetent goldfish.
    "How about a nice game of chess?"
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,555
    edited July 26

    Sean_F said:

    Nigelb said:

    nova said:

    Leon said:

    They are simply trolling us now

    “Hundreds of Nigerian ‘authors’ use visa scheme to enter Britain
    ‘Poets and bloggers’ can come to UK on talent visa despite Labour’s pledge to reduce immigration”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/26/hundreds-nigerian-authors-use-visa-scheme-to-enter-britain/

    The headline doesn't seem to match the article.

    If I'm reading it correctly, the article claims that over the last five years, an average of ten 'authors' a year have been 'endorsed' by the Arts Council.

    At that stage the Home Office gets a final sign off, but the article suggests that no data is available about how many of them were actually allowed in, and if they then entered Britain.
    As Leon explained, The Telegraph are trolling us.
    Five years since the Global Talent Visa was introduced but only four prime ministers. Bloody Gordon Brown!
    Most right wing voters now wish to burn the Conservative Party to the ground. They are “woke” to the fact the Conservatives have despised them for a long time.
    I'm seriously considering voting Reform in Hampshire next year.

    Although I know several Conservative councillors that are fine gentlemen and women they mostly view their role as educating the voters and defending their officers.

    As a consequence, left-liberalism rules by default.
    Happy South Asian Heritage Month :lol::lol::lol:
    Just discovered that the Indian - Keralan - restaurant down the road is now, apparently, a highly recommended Nepalese.

    Don't tell Agent Anderson, or we'll have another demo next week demanding Roast Beef.

    There's a good Thai one as well.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,893

    Leon said:

    Endless. Endless


    “Former Taliban fighters are living in the UK after being airlifted from Afghanistan on British mercy flights, The Telegraph has been told.

    The jihadis were allegedly among thousands of people brought here for their own safety because they were on a leaked list of names of Afghans who had applied to come to the UK”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/26/taliban-fighters-brought-to-britain-in-kill-list-airlift/

    Stop reading the Telegraph - bar the pretty good sports section. Life will be better.
    Quite.

    I find browsing through “On Thermonuclear War” by Herman Kahn very relaxing.

    The chapter on “The Problem of Reaching 1970” - written in the late 50s - is positively Woodhousian.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,272

    Leon said:

    They are simply trolling us now

    “Hundreds of Nigerian ‘authors’ use visa scheme to enter Britain
    ‘Poets and bloggers’ can come to UK on talent visa despite Labour’s pledge to reduce immigration”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/26/hundreds-nigerian-authors-use-visa-scheme-to-enter-britain/

    Fag end of the Boriswave?

    Remember Boris, he was your previous squeeze.
    Well, he was into Truss, Starmer and Trump since then.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,555
    edited July 26
    Hmmm.

    SAVE OUR BRITISH WOMEN ... FROM ... US !!!

    Two in five arrested for last summer’s UK riots had been reported for domestic abuse
    Police data indicates overlaps between public violent disorder and domestic violence and abuse
    ...
    Police data released under freedom of information (FoI) laws shows that 41% of 899 people arrested for taking part in the violent disorder last July and August had been reported for crimes associated with intimate partner violence.

    For those arrested by one police force, this figure was as high as 68%.

    Previous offences include actual bodily harm, grievous bodily harm, stalking, breach of restraint and non-molestation orders, controlling coercive behaviour and criminal damage.


    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/26/two-in-five-arrested-for-last-summers-uk-riots-had-been-reported-for-domestic-abuse
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,686
    MattW said:

    Hmmm.

    SAVE OUR BRITISH WOMEN !!!

    Two in five arrested for last summer’s UK riots had been reported for domestic abuse
    Police data indicates overlaps between public violent disorder and domestic violence and abuse


    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/26/two-in-five-arrested-for-last-summers-uk-riots-had-been-reported-for-domestic-abuse

    No surprise there . That’s the Reform base !
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,226
    MattW said:

    Hmmm.

    SAVE OUR BRITISH WOMEN !!!

    Two in five arrested for last summer’s UK riots had been reported for domestic abuse
    Police data indicates overlaps between public violent disorder and domestic violence and abuse


    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/26/two-in-five-arrested-for-last-summers-uk-riots-had-been-reported-for-domestic-abuse

    Dont forget that plenty of the antis' were also arrested. I dont doubt many left wing nazis that serial domestic abusers
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,392
    edited July 26

    Leon said:

    Good god. The Online Safety Act is insanely bad

    Apparently you can by-pass it and get to your normal porn in just 5 seconds!
    Thank God. If you can pass on exactly how to do that i’de be grateful, I’m slow at IT.
    Thanks. 💦
    I think this is the blokiest post I've ever read from a lady poster on here.
    Your is the blokiest chauvinist ignorant post, as it doesn’t realise us ladies use more porn and lube than men.

    You men all over in 8 seconds, then cheese and onion sandwich and match of the day.
    We can go days in eternal orgasm.
    Sleep on that. Loser.

    If you don’t believe me, you can pay my lube bill.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,752
    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Frankly we need a civil war in this country. Not against muslims or immigrants but against the people that are in the nu10k

    If there’s only 10k of them that’s not much of a civil war. Not even a Khmer Rouge style massacre. More like a purge, in the fashion of Stalin. But then of course there would be the supporters of the nu10k, or suspected supporters. And spies, and collaborators. Including former purge leaders who are no longer trusted by other purge leaders. And their families. Before long we’re getting more comfortably into post-French Revolution territory.
    And the problem is?
    When someone decides Pagan’s next, and no amount of protestation will change their mind. And the ghost of Jacques Mallet walks again.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,200

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage is just displaying what an idiot he is.

    No, he's just displaying his mastery of vibe campaigning.

    it.
    Exactly this

    How can people not see this.
    Sure, whipping up lies has always been fertile soil for Right Wing Populists.

    I just expect PB to be more intelligent than that.
    I wouldn’t openly wear a Rolex walking down the streets of London. There have been enough stories about extremely violent mugging that people take care.

    It’s not a question of statistics but people’s lived experience
    I don't know London well enough to comment. But having now looked at Farage's post the criticisms seem feeble. Is it safe to wear expensive jewellery in London or not? Have things got worse?
    There are lots of emotive articles about rich women being robbed and phones being snatched so that’s what people believe. Don’t know whether it is actually true or not
    Are you seriously denying there is a major problem with phone snatching in London?!
    FWIW I live near London and have lived in it for many years, without ever encountering the issue or meeting anyone who had.
    It’s a massive problem and you’re delusional, with all respect

    Just look at the data

    I’ve had two attempts on my phone - one failed one successful
    You're not wrong in that phone snatching is a serious problem. Neither Mrs Stodge nor I will get our phones out in public - just not worth it - yet you see so many people holding them and using them and asking for trouble despite repeated Police warnings around tube stations in particular.

    If, 20 years ago, you had walked around waving £10 and £20 notes in the air, you might have expected to be robbed. In essence, it's no different. Yes, you can protect yourself from some of the consequences with proper security and encryption on the phone itself but not from the inconvenience, the shock and the sense of well, helplessness for want of a better word.
    The whole point of a smartphone is that you can use it anywhere. If you're not taking it out in public at all for fear of it being stolen then you're having a lot of the utility of your smartphone stolen from you all the time.

    And this is one way in which everyone can be affected by this sort of crime even if they haven't personally been victims. The fear of the crime will lead to people modifying their behaviour and experiencing heightened anxiety. It's wearying to be forever on one's guard.

    It's really important to get a grip on these sorts of crimes and stamp them out.
    It's probably for the data/ bankcards more than the value of the phone.

    Two things: (1) I have an old-ish cracked phone and not a pricey/expensive one, and, (2) I don't have all my shit on it, just photos and Whatsapp etc, and still do all my banking on my desktop, and keep plastic debit and credit cards.

    If someone nicks my phone I'll be annoyed, and so will they when they realise it's worth nothing, but I can still function.
    3) keep it in a tight-fitting case with a safety wrist lanyard. Also stops you dropping it if you get jostled.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,226
    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Frankly we need a civil war in this country. Not against muslims or immigrants but against the people that are in the nu10k

    If there’s only 10k of them that’s not much of a civil war. Not even a Khmer Rouge style massacre. More like a purge, in the fashion of Stalin. But then of course there would be the supporters of the nu10k, or suspected supporters. And spies, and collaborators. Including former purge leaders who are no longer trusted by other purge leaders. And their families. Before long we’re getting more comfortably into post-French Revolution territory.
    And the problem is?
    When someone decides Pagan’s next, and no amount of protestation will change their mind. And the ghost of Jacques Mallet walks again.
    There is nothing to decide I support a civil war
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,927
    Leon said:

    Good god. The Online Safety Act is insanely bad

    Yes and the PB mods have been reacting to it with heavy moderation for months. Did you not notice?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,149
    edited July 26
    DavidL said:

    nunu2 said:

    Leon said:

    Also this:

    “The ‘Online Safety Act’ makes it an offence to say something that is false which causes “non-trivial psychological harm”.

    Platforms would also be forced to proactively censor the speech.

    The Tories deserve their extinction and Reform will restore free speech.”

    https://x.com/ziayusufuk/status/1949065564866871440?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Online safety act, wave upon wave of immigration, smoking ban, woke infestation. "Tories".
    This was passed, essentially, because so many Tory MPs - specifically women - received vile abuse.

    But politicians never seem to do a proper impact assessment of any legislation they draft.

    They stop at the soundbite and rhetoric.
    They always feel the need to do *something* even if it makes it worse
    We must do something.
    This is something.
    Let's do it!
    The same applies to voters tempted to vote for Reform...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,433
    So much bad shit is happening to the UK all in one go, I am not sure we can recover from it
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993

    DavidL said:

    My goodness, has this been a frustrating day. From 0-2 to 165-2. And to be honest there have been damn few chances. This team is very good with the bat but they seriously need a cutting edge with the ball. Woods is a terrible miss.

    A draw is virtually certain now

    India do deserve credit for how they have kept us out for two sessions
    Bowl them out an hour after tea and hang on grimly at 21-7 for the draw
    The most England thing ever
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,226
    Leon said:

    So much bad shit is happening to the UK all in one go, I am not sure we can recover from it

    London wont but who cares about london
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,752

    TimS said:

    I seem to have jinxed the cricket with my ill advised comment a couple of hours ago.

    Sent from a glamorous sunny Le Touquet



    Ooh, I was there 2 days ago.
    We’re staying in the nearby Le Crotoy, on the Baie de Somme. A surprisingly chi-chi little place. It reminds me of Holt in Norfolk. In fact the whole Baie de Somme area reminds me of North Norfolk and the Wash.

    Le Touquet on the other hand is delightfully odd. I don’t know if you had the same sense, but it’s like a mash-up of British seaside towns with a touch of Franco-Belgian. The front itself is Ostende, just back from the front in the town it’s Margate or Folkestone, the beach itself is Cromer or Great Yarmouth, but inland and all the suburbs are pure Bournemouth.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,996

    DavidL said:

    My goodness, has this been a frustrating day. From 0-2 to 165-2. And to be honest there have been damn few chances. This team is very good with the bat but they seriously need a cutting edge with the ball. Woods is a terrible miss.

    A draw is virtually certain now

    India do deserve credit for how they have kept us out for two sessions
    To be honest, today, frustrating as it was, is what makes Test cricket the greatest sport. England hammered India into the ground this morning then had them 0-2 at lunch. All over? Well, not quite. Two determined and capable batsmen were capable of changing the whole match and saving it for India. Nothing in test cricket is over until it is over. That's what makes it so great.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,926
    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    So much bad shit is happening to the UK all in one go, I am not sure we can recover from it

    London wont but who cares about london
    London's fine, not fine, it's actually great. Just need London's finest reporter to bugger off on his hols somewhere and chill.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,752
    edited July 26
    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Frankly we need a civil war in this country. Not against muslims or immigrants but against the people that are in the nu10k

    If there’s only 10k of them that’s not much of a civil war. Not even a Khmer Rouge style massacre. More like a purge, in the fashion of Stalin. But then of course there would be the supporters of the nu10k, or suspected supporters. And spies, and collaborators. Including former purge leaders who are no longer trusted by other purge leaders. And their families. Before long we’re getting more comfortably into post-French Revolution territory.
    And the problem is?
    When someone decides Pagan’s next, and no amount of protestation will change their mind. And the ghost of Jacques Mallet walks again.
    There is nothing to decide I support a civil war
    That’s a sentence where the placement or otherwise of punctuation makes a difference.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,893
    nico67 said:

    MattW said:

    Hmmm.

    SAVE OUR BRITISH WOMEN !!!

    Two in five arrested for last summer’s UK riots had been reported for domestic abuse
    Police data indicates overlaps between public violent disorder and domestic violence and abuse


    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/26/two-in-five-arrested-for-last-summers-uk-riots-had-been-reported-for-domestic-abuse

    No surprise there . That’s the Reform base !
    Back when I was a student, a regular in the pub was one of those eager, stupid American student types. She professed to be an Irish Republican.

    One time she was asking why the PIRA was so upset with the British Army shooting joyriders. After all the PIRA did so, themselves, with much aplomb.

    I suggested this was a demarcation dispute. The ‘RA was worried the Britis were taking their jobs - and jobs were hard to find in NI at the time.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,926
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    My goodness, has this been a frustrating day. From 0-2 to 165-2. And to be honest there have been damn few chances. This team is very good with the bat but they seriously need a cutting edge with the ball. Woods is a terrible miss.

    A draw is virtually certain now

    India do deserve credit for how they have kept us out for two sessions
    To be honest, today, frustrating as it was, is what makes Test cricket the greatest sport. England hammered India into the ground this morning then had them 0-2 at lunch. All over? Well, not quite. Two determined and capable batsmen were capable of changing the whole match and saving it for India. Nothing in test cricket is over until it is over. That's what makes it so great.
    An innings or even a match can be over in mid over before it is over......
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,226

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    So much bad shit is happening to the UK all in one go, I am not sure we can recover from it

    London wont but who cares about london
    London's fine, not fine, it's actually great. Just need London's finest reporter to bugger off on his hols somewhere and chill.
    London is the toilet of england
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    My goodness, has this been a frustrating day. From 0-2 to 165-2. And to be honest there have been damn few chances. This team is very good with the bat but they seriously need a cutting edge with the ball. Woods is a terrible miss.

    A draw is virtually certain now

    India do deserve credit for how they have kept us out for two sessions
    To be honest, today, frustrating as it was, is what makes Test cricket the greatest sport. England hammered India into the ground this morning then had them 0-2 at lunch. All over? Well, not quite. Two determined and capable batsmen were capable of changing the whole match and saving it for India. Nothing in test cricket is over until it is over. That's what makes it so great.
    Take 2 or 3 before lunch and we win, otherwise its a draw i think.
    New ball vital
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,996

    DavidL said:

    nunu2 said:

    Leon said:

    Also this:

    “The ‘Online Safety Act’ makes it an offence to say something that is false which causes “non-trivial psychological harm”.

    Platforms would also be forced to proactively censor the speech.

    The Tories deserve their extinction and Reform will restore free speech.”

    https://x.com/ziayusufuk/status/1949065564866871440?s=46&t=bulOICNH15U6kB0MwE6Lfw

    Online safety act, wave upon wave of immigration, smoking ban, woke infestation. "Tories".
    This was passed, essentially, because so many Tory MPs - specifically women - received vile abuse.

    But politicians never seem to do a proper impact assessment of any legislation they draft.

    They stop at the soundbite and rhetoric.
    They always feel the need to do *something* even if it makes it worse
    We must do something.
    This is something.
    Let's do it!
    The same applies to voters tempted to vote for Reform...
    I think the subtlety of that line of reasoning is probably beyond most of them. This is outrageous and that's what Nigel thinks too is about as far as it gets.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,926
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    So much bad shit is happening to the UK all in one go, I am not sure we can recover from it

    London wont but who cares about london
    London's fine, not fine, it's actually great. Just need London's finest reporter to bugger off on his hols somewhere and chill.
    London is the toilet of england
    Nah the rest of England is crapper than London.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,226
    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Frankly we need a civil war in this country. Not against muslims or immigrants but against the people that are in the nu10k

    If there’s only 10k of them that’s not much of a civil war. Not even a Khmer Rouge style massacre. More like a purge, in the fashion of Stalin. But then of course there would be the supporters of the nu10k, or suspected supporters. And spies, and collaborators. Including former purge leaders who are no longer trusted by other purge leaders. And their families. Before long we’re getting more comfortably into post-French Revolution territory.
    And the problem is?
    When someone decides Pagan’s next, and no amount of protestation will change their mind. And the ghost of Jacques Mallet walks again.
    There is nothing to decide I support a civil war
    That’s a sentence where the placement or otherwise of punctuation makes a difference.
    What did you misundertand? I want a civil war I thought that was clear?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,926
    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Frankly we need a civil war in this country. Not against muslims or immigrants but against the people that are in the nu10k

    If there’s only 10k of them that’s not much of a civil war. Not even a Khmer Rouge style massacre. More like a purge, in the fashion of Stalin. But then of course there would be the supporters of the nu10k, or suspected supporters. And spies, and collaborators. Including former purge leaders who are no longer trusted by other purge leaders. And their families. Before long we’re getting more comfortably into post-French Revolution territory.
    And the problem is?
    When someone decides Pagan’s next, and no amount of protestation will change their mind. And the ghost of Jacques Mallet walks again.
    There is nothing to decide I support a civil war
    That’s a sentence where the placement or otherwise of punctuation makes a difference.
    What did you misundertand? I want a civil war I thought that was clear?
    I can perhaps see why politicians and civil servants were a tad reluctant to help your cause.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,272
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Frankly we need a civil war in this country. Not against muslims or immigrants but against the people that are in the nu10k

    Which means you’ve missed the point about the #NU10K

    They aren’t a conspiracy. It’s a Confederacy of likeminded Dunces. Who’ve been given power by default.

    Thatcher or Churchill had their equivalents running away gibbering. By raising an eyebrow.

    What you are suggesting is thermonuclear war against incompetent goldfish.
    No I am just suggesting me put them up against a wall and shoot them
    Because incompetents and chancers have never prospered after a revolution before...
  • ConcanvasserConcanvasser Posts: 198

    Sean_F said:

    Nigelb said:

    nova said:

    Leon said:

    They are simply trolling us now

    “Hundreds of Nigerian ‘authors’ use visa scheme to enter Britain
    ‘Poets and bloggers’ can come to UK on talent visa despite Labour’s pledge to reduce immigration”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/26/hundreds-nigerian-authors-use-visa-scheme-to-enter-britain/

    The headline doesn't seem to match the article.

    If I'm reading it correctly, the article claims that over the last five years, an average of ten 'authors' a year have been 'endorsed' by the Arts Council.

    At that stage the Home Office gets a final sign off, but the article suggests that no data is available about how many of them were actually allowed in, and if they then entered Britain.
    As Leon explained, The Telegraph are trolling us.
    Five years since the Global Talent Visa was introduced but only four prime ministers. Bloody Gordon Brown!
    Most right wing voters now wish to burn the Conservative Party to the ground. They are “woke” to the fact the Conservatives have despised them for a long time.
    I'm seriously considering voting Reform in Hampshire next year.

    Although I know several Conservative councillors that are fine gentlemen and women they mostly view their role as educating the voters and defending their officers.

    As a consequence, left-liberalism rules by default.
    I will be voting Reform in Bedfordshire, although ours won't be next year.

  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,226

    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    Leon said:

    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Frankly we need a civil war in this country. Not against muslims or immigrants but against the people that are in the nu10k

    If there’s only 10k of them that’s not much of a civil war. Not even a Khmer Rouge style massacre. More like a purge, in the fashion of Stalin. But then of course there would be the supporters of the nu10k, or suspected supporters. And spies, and collaborators. Including former purge leaders who are no longer trusted by other purge leaders. And their families. Before long we’re getting more comfortably into post-French Revolution territory.
    And the problem is?
    When someone decides Pagan’s next, and no amount of protestation will change their mind. And the ghost of Jacques Mallet walks again.
    There is nothing to decide I support a civil war
    That’s a sentence where the placement or otherwise of punctuation makes a difference.
    What did you misundertand? I want a civil war I thought that was clear?
    I can perhaps see why politicians and civil servants were a tad reluctant to help your cause.
    Who cares they are all imbeliecles they sooner they are removed the better
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,960
    Evening all :)

    The really big political news of the last 24 hours is the end of the Roksana Fiaz era here in Newham. She has not been selected as the Labour Mayoral candidate for next year's election and the Labour candidate is Forhad Hussain who was a councillor in Plaistow North from 2010-18 and was once a member of Respect.

    He could be the ideal candidate to take the wind out of the Newham Independent sails and this looks a shrewd move by Newham Labour. We've also had the first leaflet for a while from Labour in my Ward delivered today.

    Reform have also started to leaflet parts of the Borough:

    https://www.opennewham.co.uk/news/reform-make-an-entrance

    As stated, they only polled 5000 votes across the three Parliamentary constituencies in July 2024 and neither contested the two by elections held on General Election day nor the two held two weeks later. That was then and it will be interesting to see how many Reform candidates we get next May.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,996
    Despite the entertainment and the distractions it is worth noting how few comments address the substance of both what the IMF and others have said and the thread header summarises. Even when it is spelled out in words not much larger than a single syllable, we are still as a nation and a government determined to pretend that something other than financial disaster and meltdown is staring us in the face.

    There will come a day, soon, when our own opinion of reality will not be the one that counts.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,226

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Frankly we need a civil war in this country. Not against muslims or immigrants but against the people that are in the nu10k

    Which means you’ve missed the point about the #NU10K

    They aren’t a conspiracy. It’s a Confederacy of likeminded Dunces. Who’ve been given power by default.

    Thatcher or Churchill had their equivalents running away gibbering. By raising an eyebrow.

    What you are suggesting is thermonuclear war against incompetent goldfish.
    No I am just suggesting me put them up against a wall and shoot them
    Because incompetents and chancers have never prospered after a revolution before...
    I havent asked be prosper I merely suggest that the people in charge can fuck right off
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,294
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Good god. The Online Safety Act is insanely bad

    Which bits in particular?
    It’s already being used to censor political speech
    I wish someone could apply it to you.

    I've kept away today because you have been on fire. In between your role as a PB sport summariser, which is fine, you have been posting stuff which fifty percent of your audience will applaud whilst the rest of us consider all the stuff about immigrants stealing mobile phones, and immigrants this, and immigrants that, best avoided.

    What a shame.

    I have noted that you have been even more disagreeable with other posters than normal today. Anyway my turn now, I have the exercise book in place for the caning.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,555
    edited July 26
    Pagan2 said:

    MattW said:

    Hmmm.

    SAVE OUR BRITISH WOMEN !!!

    Two in five arrested for last summer’s UK riots had been reported for domestic abuse
    Police data indicates overlaps between public violent disorder and domestic violence and abuse


    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/26/two-in-five-arrested-for-last-summers-uk-riots-had-been-reported-for-domestic-abuse

    Dont forget that plenty of the antis' were also arrested. I dont doubt many left wing nazis that serial domestic abusers
    If there are stats I'd like to see them - seriously.

    The Swappies had a significant history of exploitation of female activists by senior males, but they partly imploded around Comrade Delta.

    I'm not sure about the more mainstream left, though there are domestic abuse issues everywhere of course - *that* feminist analysis is about right in principle.

    I think at present such items as Farage's endorsement of Andrew Tate are perhaps more significant problems, and some of the values underneath NatCon stuff, which is dripping in from the US Nationalist Right. Observe the unchallenged misogyny around Trump's willingness to appoint sex abusers, for example - never mind the hypocrisy of his Evangelical and Integralist Catholic base.

    On the more marginal end, it is only a month since Russell Brand was having Tommy Robinson's "Silenced" on 'Watch Along with Russell'. I haven't watched the playback. I have seen enough of TR's stuff to observe it's self-collapsing nature,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdXUIF7J0mY
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,752
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Frankly we need a civil war in this country. Not against muslims or immigrants but against the people that are in the nu10k

    Which means you’ve missed the point about the #NU10K

    They aren’t a conspiracy. It’s a Confederacy of likeminded Dunces. Who’ve been given power by default.

    Thatcher or Churchill had their equivalents running away gibbering. By raising an eyebrow.

    What you are suggesting is thermonuclear war against incompetent goldfish.
    No I am just suggesting me put them up against a wall and shoot them
    Because incompetents and chancers have never prospered after a revolution before...
    I havent asked be prosper I merely suggest that the people in charge can fuck right off
    The tricky bit is where the early proponents of the civil war, like you, find themselves in the line of fire of the second wave of its proponents.

    What do you do when some upstart newcomer to the cause points at you and accuses you of revisionism or of secretly spying for the Nu10k? Protest all you like, by then you’ll have taught them the taste of blood and they will need refreshment.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,226

    Leon said:

    So much bad shit is happening to the UK all in one go, I am not sure we can recover from it

    Hopefully there will come a time when we look back at this sort of hyper-ventilating with an indulgent smile.

    In the meantime we have the task of protecting what is, actually, a reasonably successful mature democracy and steering it away from the Scylla of a Trumpist fellow-traveller and the Charybdis of a Putinist fellow-traveller.

    There's a lot of ruin in the United Kingdom but those two guys are capable of breaking a lot of stuff.
    The uk is no longer a democracry anymore than the us is
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,309
    edited July 26

    Leon said:

    Good god. The Online Safety Act is insanely bad

    Is it because it's stopping you from saying things untrue which causes psychological harm?
    • Saying untrue things which causes psychological harm is bad
    • But stopping people saying untrue things which causes psychological harm before the fact is bureaucratic and has many false positives
    • A better approach would be to punish people who said untrue things which causes psychological harm after the fact
    • And even then there should be a free-speech loophole, and one should err on the side of free speech. Who is to judge what is true or untrue?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,752
    MattW said:

    Pagan2 said:

    MattW said:

    Hmmm.

    SAVE OUR BRITISH WOMEN !!!

    Two in five arrested for last summer’s UK riots had been reported for domestic abuse
    Police data indicates overlaps between public violent disorder and domestic violence and abuse


    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/26/two-in-five-arrested-for-last-summers-uk-riots-had-been-reported-for-domestic-abuse

    Dont forget that plenty of the antis' were also arrested. I dont doubt many left wing nazis that serial domestic abusers
    If there are stats I'd like to see them - seriously.

    The Swappies had a significant history of exploitation of female activists by senior males, but they partly imploded around Comrade Delta.

    I'm not sure about the more mainstream left, though there are domestic abuse issues everywhere of course - *that* feminist analysis is about right in principle.

    I think at present such items as Farage's endorsement of Andrew Tate are more significant present problems, and some of the values underneath NatCon stuff, which is dripping in from the US Nationalist Right.

    On the more marginal end, it is only a month since Russell Brand was having Tommy Robinson's "Silenced" on 'Watch Along with Russell'. I haven't watched the playback. I have seen enough of TR's stuff to observe it's self-collapsing nature,

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdXUIF7J0mY
    Extremists of all colours tend to like a bit of controlling behaviour. It’s part of the same mental makeup that makes them extremists in the first place.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,893
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Frankly we need a civil war in this country. Not against muslims or immigrants but against the people that are in the nu10k

    Which means you’ve missed the point about the #NU10K

    They aren’t a conspiracy. It’s a Confederacy of likeminded Dunces. Who’ve been given power by default.

    Thatcher or Churchill had their equivalents running away gibbering. By raising an eyebrow.

    What you are suggesting is thermonuclear war against incompetent goldfish.
    No I am just suggesting me put them up against a wall and shoot them
    Because incompetents and chancers have never prospered after a revolution before...
    I havent asked be prosper I merely suggest that the people in charge can fuck right off
    That what those election things are for.

    The problem is bland uselessness.

    For example, the other day a judge recorded to redefine family beyond marriage or blood relationships.

    Thatcher or Churchill would have had a redefinition of family to the sensible version in the commons before lunch. Primary legislation etc.

    If you can’t be bothered to use power, someone will.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,926
    viewcode said:

    Leon said:

    Good god. The Online Safety Act is insanely bad

    Is it because it's stopping you from saying things untrue which causes psychological harm?
    • Saying untrue things which causes psychological harm is bad
    • But stopping people saying untrue things which causes psychological harm before the fact is bureaucratic and has many false positives
    • A better approach would be to punish people who said untrue things which causes psychological harm after the fact
    • And even then there should be a free-speech loophole, and one should err on the side of free speech. Who is to judge what is true or untrue?
    I've been researching that very question. In the US it is Trump. In the UK it is Leon. Both can feel and emote the truth and don't need pesky facts or experts. Where on earth would be without them?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,226
    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Frankly we need a civil war in this country. Not against muslims or immigrants but against the people that are in the nu10k

    Which means you’ve missed the point about the #NU10K

    They aren’t a conspiracy. It’s a Confederacy of likeminded Dunces. Who’ve been given power by default.

    Thatcher or Churchill had their equivalents running away gibbering. By raising an eyebrow.

    What you are suggesting is thermonuclear war against incompetent goldfish.
    No I am just suggesting me put them up against a wall and shoot them
    Because incompetents and chancers have never prospered after a revolution before...
    I havent asked be prosper I merely suggest that the people in charge can fuck right off
    The tricky bit is where the early proponents of the civil war, like you, find themselves in the line of fire of the second wave of its proponents.

    What do you do when some upstart newcomer to the cause points at you and accuses you of revisionism or of secretly spying for the Nu10k? Protest all you like, by then you’ll have taught them the taste of blood and they will need refreshment.
    You know what....dont care its better that the shit stain we have
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,752
    edited July 26
    Pagan2 said:

    TimS said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Frankly we need a civil war in this country. Not against muslims or immigrants but against the people that are in the nu10k

    Which means you’ve missed the point about the #NU10K

    They aren’t a conspiracy. It’s a Confederacy of likeminded Dunces. Who’ve been given power by default.

    Thatcher or Churchill had their equivalents running away gibbering. By raising an eyebrow.

    What you are suggesting is thermonuclear war against incompetent goldfish.
    No I am just suggesting me put them up against a wall and shoot them
    Because incompetents and chancers have never prospered after a revolution before...
    I havent asked be prosper I merely suggest that the people in charge can fuck right off
    The tricky bit is where the early proponents of the civil war, like you, find themselves in the line of fire of the second wave of its proponents.

    What do you do when some upstart newcomer to the cause points at you and accuses you of revisionism or of secretly spying for the Nu10k? Protest all you like, by then you’ll have taught them the taste of blood and they will need refreshment.
    You know what....dont care its better that the shit stain we have
    Even when they get out the fingernail plucker?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,752

    @Pagan2

    Please stop saying you want people shot/a civil war.

    “It has emerged that police ignored multiple warning signs in the months leading up to the bombing. The attacker had repeatedly called for violent revolution and civil war on a popular political betting site.”
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,690
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    So much bad shit is happening to the UK all in one go, I am not sure we can recover from it

    London wont but who cares about london
    London's fine, not fine, it's actually great. Just need London's finest reporter to bugger off on his hols somewhere and chill.
    London is the toilet of england
    Says nobody who lives here.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,226

    @Pagan2

    Please stop saying you want people shot/a civil war.

    Why?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,368

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Good god. The Online Safety Act is insanely bad

    Which bits in particular?
    It’s already being used to censor political speech
    I wish someone could apply it to you.

    I've kept away today because you have been on fire. In between your role as a PB sport summariser, which is fine, you have been posting stuff which fifty percent of your audience will applaud whilst the rest of us consider all the stuff about immigrants stealing mobile phones, and immigrants this, and immigrants that, best avoided.

    What a shame.

    I have noted that you have been even more disagreeable with other posters than normal today. Anyway my turn now, I have the exercise book in place for the caning.
    Cricket
    Racist shit
    Cricket
    Racist shit
    Cricket
    Racist shit
    Cricket
    Racist shit

    This is how we're rolling today.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,063


    You men all over in 8 seconds, then cheese and onion sandwich and match of the day.

    Sounds like an evening
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,752

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    So much bad shit is happening to the UK all in one go, I am not sure we can recover from it

    London wont but who cares about london
    London's fine, not fine, it's actually great. Just need London's finest reporter to bugger off on his hols somewhere and chill.
    London is the toilet of england
    Says nobody who lives here.
    Well, let’s unpack this:

    - It has water: check
    - It’s bowl shaped: check
    - It’s flush: check
    - There are lots of Rolls: check
    - It’s recently had air freshener: check
    - It has fans: check
    - Most number 1 and number 2s end there: check
    - It’s essential

    Etc etc
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993


    You men all over in 8 seconds, then cheese and onion sandwich and match of the day.

    Sounds like an evening
    I've used worse than that successfully as a chat up.
    Im pretty fine though
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,368
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    @Pagan2

    Please stop saying you want people shot/a civil war.

    Why?
    I suspect its the only way to get the country back on back....do I want people killed no probably not....however you do need to relieve the idiots from power what do you suggest?
    I'm curious. When were we last on our feet iyo?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,752
    Civil War II has its first casualty.
  • trukattrukat Posts: 62
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    @Pagan2

    Please stop saying you want people shot/a civil war.

    Why?
    I suspect its the only way to get the country back on back....do I want people killed no probably not....however you do need to relieve the idiots from power what do you suggest?
    Elections? Join reform or the sultanas if you are a lefty, the civil conflict option will still be there later
  • TresTres Posts: 2,954
    Well for a start it makes you look like a huge tit
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,063


    You men all over in 8 seconds, then cheese and onion sandwich and match of the day.

    Sounds like an evening
    I've used worse than that successfully as a chat up.
    Im pretty fine though
    The cheese and onion sandwich might sway the deal, though.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,752
    Tres said:

    Well for a start it makes you look like a huge tit

    Good quiz. That was the answer, what was the question?

    - Why shouldn’t I wear this shiny blue-fronted coat?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993


    You men all over in 8 seconds, then cheese and onion sandwich and match of the day.

    Sounds like an evening
    I've used worse than that successfully as a chat up.
    Im pretty fine though
    The cheese and onion sandwich might sway the deal, though.
    Definitely. 8 seconds of passion and the worlds best beer accompaniment is enough to tremble the knees of any sexy lady girl
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,690
    TimS said:

    Civil War II has its first casualty.

    Oh dear. Just say no to daytime drinking, kids.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,954
    Anyway in happier London news, I've managed to go another day without anyone attempting to steal my mobile phone.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,934
    edited July 26
    Wikipedia threatens to limit UK access to website

    Digital encyclopaedia may impose quota on number of users to comply with Online Safety Act


    Wikipedia could be forced to limit access in the UK unless crucial elements of Britain’s online safety rules are changed, the High Court has been told.

    Lawyers for the Wikimedia Foundation, the non-profit organisation which helps run the online encyclopaedia, warned it could be required to introduce a “quota-based” system for UK visitors if it is classified as a “category one” service under the Online Safety Act.

    Services falling under this designation are subject to the strictest duties under the digital laws, which are intended to stop children accessing harmful online material and prevent the spread of illegal posts.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/07/23/wikipedia-threatens-limit-access-website-britain/
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993

    TimS said:

    Civil War II has its first casualty.

    Oh dear. Just say no to daytime drinking, kids.
    I once drank so much I tried to arrest 5 members of the Long Parliament
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,934
    Tres said:

    Anyway in happier London news, I've managed to go another day without anyone attempting to steal my mobile phone.

    Last week outside St Pancras I had my watch and iPhone 16 Pro Max out for 10 minutes whilst I was waiting for my Uber Lux.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,893
    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    @Pagan2

    Please stop saying you want people shot/a civil war.

    Why?
    I suspect its the only way to get the country back on back....do I want people killed no probably not....however you do need to relieve the idiots from power what do you suggest?
    I'm curious. When were we last on our feet iyo?
    For me, the reform of the Royal Dockyards by Sir William White and the building of the Royal Sovereign class pre-dreadnoughts was pretty good.

    He massively improved productivity, reduced costs and even introduced an innovative use of borrowing by the government to smooth the cash flow from the Naval Estimates.

    Good government.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993

    Wikipedia threatens to limit UK access to website

    Digital encyclopaedia may impose quota on number of users to comply with Online Safety Act


    Wikipedia could be forced to limit access in the UK unless crucial elements of Britain’s online safety rules are changed, the High Court has been told.

    Lawyers for the Wikimedia Foundation, the non-profit organisation which helps run the online encyclopaedia, warned it could be required to introduce a “quota-based” system for UK visitors if it is classified as a “category one” service under the Online Safety Act.

    Services falling under this designation are subject to the strictest duties under the digital laws, which are intended to stop children accessing harmful online material and prevent the spread of illegal posts.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/07/23/wikipedia-threatens-limit-access-website-britain/

    Just download it on kiwix
    And update your download intermittently
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,555

    Pagan2 said:

    Leon said:

    So much bad shit is happening to the UK all in one go, I am not sure we can recover from it

    London wont but who cares about london
    London's fine, not fine, it's actually great. Just need London's finest reporter to bugger off on his hols somewhere and chill.
    Zermatt beckons ...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,368
    edited July 26
    TimS said:

    Tres said:

    Well for a start it makes you look like a huge tit

    Good quiz. That was the answer, what was the question?

    - Why shouldn’t I wear this shiny blue-fronted coat?
    I think he meant voting for Reform.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,063
    Tres said:

    Anyway in happier London news, I've managed to go another day without anyone attempting to steal my mobile phone.

    Show-off!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,893

    TimS said:

    Civil War II has its first casualty.

    Oh dear. Just say no to daytime drinking, kids.
    I once drank so much I tried to arrest 5 members of the Long Parliament
    You are Colonel Thomas Pride and I claim my firkin of best bitter.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,368

    kinabalu said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    @Pagan2

    Please stop saying you want people shot/a civil war.

    Why?
    I suspect its the only way to get the country back on back....do I want people killed no probably not....however you do need to relieve the idiots from power what do you suggest?
    I'm curious. When were we last on our feet iyo?
    For me, the reform of the Royal Dockyards by Sir William White and the building of the Royal Sovereign class pre-dreadnoughts was pretty good.

    He massively improved productivity, reduced costs and even introduced an innovative use of borrowing by the government to smooth the cash flow from the Naval Estimates.

    Good government.
    Superficially yes. But arguably the rot had set in by then.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,926
    Tres said:

    Anyway in happier London news, I've managed to go another day without anyone attempting to steal my mobile phone.

    4 and a half hours to go......
  • trukattrukat Posts: 62
    kinabalu said:

    TimS said:

    Tres said:

    Well for a start it makes you look like a huge tit

    Good quiz. That was the answer, what was the question?

    - Why shouldn’t I wear this shiny blue-fronted coat?
    I think he meant voting for Reform.
    Well it is that or the pagan2 way. NOTA parties are a vital safety valve, if only the mainstream ones could be a bit less shit perhaps one would not be top of the polls.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,993

    TimS said:

    Civil War II has its first casualty.

    Oh dear. Just say no to daytime drinking, kids.
    I once drank so much I tried to arrest 5 members of the Long Parliament
    You are Colonel Thomas Pride and I claim my firkin of best bitter.
    Goodness no, I would never have fought for Cromwell
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,555

    Battlebus said:

    Leon said:

    eek said:

    stodge said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage is just displaying what an idiot he is.

    No, he's just displaying his mastery of vibe campaigning.

    it.
    Exactly this

    How can people not see this.
    Sure, whipping up lies has always been fertile soil for Right Wing Populists.

    I just expect PB to be more intelligent than that.
    I wouldn’t openly wear a Rolex walking down the streets of London. There have been enough stories about extremely violent mugging that people take care.

    It’s not a question of statistics but people’s lived experience
    I don't know London well enough to comment. But having now looked at Farage's post the criticisms seem feeble. Is it safe to wear expensive jewellery in London or not? Have things got worse?
    There are lots of emotive articles about rich women being robbed and phones being snatched so that’s what people believe. Don’t know whether it is actually true or not
    Are you seriously denying there is a major problem with phone snatching in London?!
    FWIW I live near London and have lived in it for many years, without ever encountering the issue or meeting anyone who had.
    It’s a massive problem and you’re delusional, with all respect

    Just look at the data

    I’ve had two attempts on my phone - one failed one successful
    You're not wrong in that phone snatching is a serious problem. Neither Mrs Stodge nor I will get our phones out in public - just not worth it - yet you see so many people holding them and using them and asking for trouble despite repeated Police warnings around tube stations in particular.

    If, 20 years ago, you had walked around waving £10 and £20 notes in the air, you might have expected to be robbed. In essence, it's no different. Yes, you can protect yourself from some of the consequences with proper security and encryption on the phone itself but not from the inconvenience, the shock and the sense of well, helplessness for want of a better word.
    I wouldn't have said stations were the problem - thieves need to escape so it's far more likely on a street where they can quickly cycle away..
    It’s not in the stations you effing dimwit. It’s as people emerge from stations into daylight (ditto bars, restaurants, cinemas). They instantly look at their phones and that’s when the thieves attack - a moment of maximum distraction

    PB is just so ludicrously stupid on issues like this. ‘Oh it’s never happened to me it’s not a problem’. Grow up
    Just as an aside, and Leon could confirm this, in Japan they leave their phones on restaurant tables to 'book' the place. A bit like Germans do with their towels. Such a polite nation.

    Another aside, if you want a cheap(er) Breitling watch, check the Police Lost Property sales. Seems the owners don't always want to be re-introduced to them - or perhaps they already have the insurance. The net proceeds go to good causes via the Police Property Act Fund (PPAF).
    Several years ago my car was stolen. No trace of it, so the insurance paid out. Then three or four years later the police contacted me; was this my car? Could I identify it?
    I couldn't but it wasn't "mine" by then anyway.
    I'm not a used car or a double glazing salesman, or Russell Brand - why would I want a Breitling Watch?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,433
    I never liked Pornhub anyway
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