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edited July 26 in General
A tempest is coming – politicalbetting.com

It’s usually about the economy, and the latest herald from the IMF is bad news for Labour as the screenshot from The Guardian shows. If Reeves follows the IMF’s suggestions then Labour’s popularity will sink lower.

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  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,985
    Labour with its big majority has been doing its little pet projects that it’s always wanted to do. And will increasingly do so, when the penny drops that they might not get the chance again. Perhaps they might also do the decent thing later in the parliament and drop the triple lock when they know they’ve already lost.

    Mind you, Hunt and Sunak didn’t have the balls to do the right thing either, despite having a big majority and knowing they were about to be swept away. I suspect it will be left as a deliberate time for whatever ragtag bunch is running things in 2029 to defuse.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,431
    The odds of Labour charging for NHS treatment are approximately the same as the odds of Trump having a lucid moment, Elon Musk having a second's self-awareness or @Leon being sober at one minute past six on Friday night.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,940
    Rachel Reeves - totally shit
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,260
    edited July 26
    Good morning

    Ending the triple lock and charging for the NHS is inevitable, together with some form of means testing the pension

    Of course it is the antithesis of Labour's DNA but ultimately someone will have to address it and maybe sooner than most think

    Starmer and Reeves have had a terrible first year making so many unenforced errors and creating the space for Farage and now Corbyn to exploit

    The problem is there are no solutions that the public will accept until the markets make it inevitable
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,431
    edited July 26
    Still, it could be worse for Reeves, she could be overseeing the election of a new Archbishop of Canterbury, which has been epically messed up by the Diocese of Canterbury,

    The rules state that a local diocesan committee (the Vacancy in See Committee, or VISC) elects three people to send to the CNC from among its own members.

    After Welby announced his resignation in December, the Canterbury VISC swung into action. Their three-year term of office elapsed at the end of 2024, so plans were already underway to handover to the new VISC elected to serve 2025-28.

    However, in January 2025, somebody realised the original VISC committee had been selected illegitimately due to a misunderstanding way back in 2022, so it had to be junked. To add to the confusion, the second VISC had been elected on the explicit understanding that it would not be involved in the Welby succession, which everyone then assumed was being handled by the old VISC.

    So, unbelievably, the Diocese of Canterbury decided to elect a third VISC. In February, officials in Canterbury re-opened nominations. However, in the middle of these elections, the General Synod met and changed the rules. Despite the election already being underway, the diocese decided to implement the new criteria immediately.

    There were a dizzying array of restrictions, trying to balance the VISC membership to include a certain number of women, lay people, and members of each district in the Diocese of Canterbury. As a result, some people were guaranteed to be elected while others could never win. To compound the chaos, they botched the counting of the votes.

    The CofE then failed to explain any of the problems publicly for many weeks, allowing conspiracy theories to flourish. Conservatives and evangelicals worried that progressives were trying to fiddle the results to get more of their supporters onto the VISC - and eventually onto the CNC.

    In one infamous example, an evangelical vicar who got ten votes lost out to a liberal who only got one. This was possible because of the complicated new rules but it appeared from the outside that conservatives were being disenfranchised unfairly.

    Eventually, several weeks later, the diocese quietly admitted it had bungled the elections and scrapped the committee entirely. Now it has begun the process of electing yet another VISC, the fourth in just a few months.


    https://www.premierchristianity.com/news-analysis/explained-why-its-taking-so-long-to-choose-the-next-archbishop-of-canterbury/19453.article

    (They have now elected members, by the way, but the whole thing has been delayed by around three months.)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,932
    ydoethur said:

    Still, it could be worse for Reeves, she could be overseeing the election of a new Archbishop of Canterbury, which has been epically messed up by the Diocese of Canterbury,

    The rules state that a local diocesan committee (the Vacancy in See Committee, or VISC) elects three people to send to the CNC from among its own members.

    After Welby announced his resignation in December, the Canterbury VISC swung into action. Their three-year term of office elapsed at the end of 2024, so plans were already underway to handover to the new VISC elected to serve 2025-28.

    However, in January 2025, somebody realised the original VISC committee had been selected illegitimately due to a misunderstanding way back in 2022, so it had to be junked. To add to the confusion, the second VISC had been elected on the explicit understanding that it would not be involved in the Welby succession, which everyone then assumed was being handled by the old VISC.

    So, unbelievably, the Diocese of Canterbury decided to elect a third VISC. In February, officials in Canterbury re-opened nominations. However, in the middle of these elections, the General Synod met and changed the rules. Despite the election already being underway, the diocese decided to implement the new criteria immediately.

    There were a dizzying array of restrictions, trying to balance the VISC membership to include a certain number of women, lay people, and members of each district in the Diocese of Canterbury. As a result, some people were guaranteed to be elected while others could never win. To compound the chaos, they botched the counting of the votes.

    The CofE then failed to explain any of the problems publicly for many weeks, allowing conspiracy theories to flourish. Conservatives and evangelicals worried that progressives were trying to fiddle the results to get more of their supporters onto the VISC - and eventually onto the CNC.

    In one infamous example, an evangelical vicar who got ten votes lost out to a liberal who only got one. This was possible because of the complicated new rules but it appeared from the outside that conservatives were being disenfranchised unfairly.

    Eventually, several weeks later, the diocese quietly admitted it had bungled the elections and scrapped the committee entirely. Now it has begun the process of electing yet another VISC, the fourth in just a few months.


    https://www.premierchristianity.com/news-analysis/explained-why-its-taking-so-long-to-choose-the-next-archbishop-of-canterbury/19453.article

    (They have now elected members, by the way, but the whole thing has been delayed by around three months.)

    So it is possible Paula Vennells might become the new Archbishop of Canterbury.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,932
    Being modest and self effacing is a trait all people from Dore have.

    Jack Hobbs and Joe Root are England’s greatest – and both should be knighted

    Despite batting in entirely different eras, the pair share many traits: soft hands, quick footwork and a self-effacing personality


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/07/25/joe-root-england-greatest-batsman-jack-hobbs-record-runs/

    I love Scyld Berry but he is wrong, Root doesn't deserve a knighthood, he deserve a Dukedom.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,932
    So I have a Lions Test, England v India, and a sprint race, all taking place at the same time this morning.

    Sports schedulers need to liaise better.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,985
    IanB2 said:

    Hence why they have been so harsh with the latest bunch of rebels. They need their MPs to know that they’ll be in the wilderness with Corbyn if they don’t vote as they are told.

    Meanwhile, out in the actual wilderness, we had a thunderstorm yesterday evening but it’s now warm and sunny yet again - 19C already at 7 am - and during the middle of the night it’s almost dark, as the sun is now setting at half eleven and not rising until after three. Today I am leaving Akaslompolo and heading south to drop by the spot where Santa lives and receives all those flights of children in the winter….


    When boris kicked out the rebels, the Tory brand remained very strong and there was no rival power group that could benefit from their inclusion. Risky business for Starmer now. Must be plenty of MPs out of that 400 odd who thinks he’s flake, always felt Jeremy was hard done by and look at the polls and think what the hell. It’s “an huge” majority to be talking about early elections but stranger things have happened
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,431

    Being modest and self effacing is a trait all people from Dore have.

    Jack Hobbs and Joe Root are England’s greatest – and both should be knighted

    Despite batting in entirely different eras, the pair share many traits: soft hands, quick footwork and a self-effacing personality


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/07/25/joe-root-england-greatest-batsman-jack-hobbs-record-runs/

    I love Scyld Berry but he is wrong, Root doesn't deserve a knighthood, he deserve a Dukedom.

    Jack Hobbs was a great. Was he greater than Herbert Sutcliffe, one of only two batsmen to play over 50 tests and average over 60?*

    *Technically 3 if you include Sangakkara who averaged 66 in the 86 Tests where he didn't keep wicket.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,924
    I'm not convinced about the IMF. I wonder if Labour might consult its inner Liz Truss or John McDonnell and look at the Treasury's rules in order to account for state assets, and/or hive off Covid support to be paid off in the longer term, cf war debt, rather than class it as ordinary current spending.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,904
    Battlebus said:

    Do you want a government to be popular or to do what's right for the country. The obsession with polls seems at odds with good governance.

    You also have MPs not willing to make those hard choices. It’s all ‘I didn’t come into politics to…..’.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,418

    So I have a Lions Test, England v India, and a sprint race, all taking place at the same time this morning.

    Sports schedulers need to liaise better.

    Sports on TV is like a utility right? Aren’t they just learning from the professionals?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,077
    ydoethur said:

    The odds of Labour charging for NHS treatment are approximately the same as the odds of Trump having a lucid moment, Elon Musk having a second's self-awareness or @Leon being sober at one minute past six on Friday night.

    Or about the same as the IMF having any more of a clue than anyone else about how to deal with the consequences of technological developments in the next few decades.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,924
    This is worrying. As you will know, there have been numerous China-linked hacking attacks on Sharepoint within the past few days, including against the US nuclear weapons agency.

    Microsoft is now investigating the possibility that its own early warning to cybersecurity companies was what tipped off the hackers there was a weakness to exploit.

    Stay safe everyone, and stay patched.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,369
    moonshine said:

    When boris kicked out the rebels, the Tory brand remained very strong

    The Tory brand has never recovered
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,924
    Starmer must avoid a catastrophic error

    Useful advice for the Prime Minister and, dare I say, for all of us, courtesy of the Daily Telegraph email.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,291
    Sometimes you wake up to read pure genius.

    The Guardian tops itself here, ending a review of a cartoon film with a quote from Guy Debord::

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/jul/25/how-smurfs-communist-roots-betrayed-film-movie?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,924
    Taz said:

    Battlebus said:

    Do you want a government to be popular or to do what's right for the country. The obsession with polls seems at odds with good governance.

    You also have MPs not willing to make those hard choices. It’s all ‘I didn’t come into politics to…..’.
    If MPs agreed on what is ‘right for the country’, we'd not have parties or even politics.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,291
    Chris said:

    ydoethur said:

    The odds of Labour charging for NHS treatment are approximately the same as the odds of Trump having a lucid moment, Elon Musk having a second's self-awareness or @Leon being sober at one minute past six on Friday night.

    Or about the same as the IMF having any more of a clue than anyone else about how to deal with the consequences of technological developments in the next few decades.
    Starmer and Reeves should tackle the financial situation the same way the last one did, pretend nothing is wrong and pass the poisoned chalice to the next government.

    I don't think the Telegraph will be running the same story then.

    The risk of course is accidentally winning that election.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,650
    Labour must know, even at this far remove, that winning the next election is looking unlikely. Therefore why make all of the unpopular difficult policy choices now? They might as well leave as much fucked up shit as possible for the incoming Fukker administration.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,641
    Scott_xP said:

    moonshine said:

    When boris kicked out the rebels, the Tory brand remained very strong

    The Tory brand has never recovered
    Yes, Johnson was the rebel, and he kicked out the Tory Party itself. For as long as people like Rory the Tory are not. In fact, Tories, the Conservatives will continue their drift to marginal irrelevance.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,940
    Dura_Ace said:

    Labour must know, even at this far remove, that winning the next election is looking unlikely. Therefore why make all of the unpopular difficult policy choices now? They might as well leave as much fucked up shit as possible for the incoming Fukker administration.

    Two points

    they may still end up in government\coalition and have to clear up their own mess

    leaving a huge mess will just make it easier for a new government to justify slash and burnof all the things they dont like
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,734
    Scott_xP said:

    moonshine said:

    When boris kicked out the rebels, the Tory brand remained very strong

    The Tory brand has never recovered
    Yeah, he trashed it into a majority of 80.

    What a catastrophe.

    It was the remainer Truss that trashed it, not Boris.

    Just because you WANT something to be true, doesn't mean it actually IS.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,332
    Andy_JS said:
    Farage Talking Britain Down.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,291
    Andy_JS said:
    Farage is just displaying what an idiot he is.

    Crime is massively down from its peak 30 years ago.

    https://policinginsight.com/feature/analysis/most-crime-has-fallen-by-90-in-30-years-so-why-does-the-public-think-its-increased/
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,253

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage Talking Britain Down.
    Irregular verb.

    I tell the truth about our problems,

    You talk the country down.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,924
    Andy_JS said:
    That is quite clever. Has Reform HQ engaged an advertising pro? Possibly a foreign one because ‘the’ sounds American, although perhaps that is how everyone spoke back then.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,904
    Dura_Ace said:

    Labour must know, even at this far remove, that winning the next election is looking unlikely. Therefore why make all of the unpopular difficult policy choices now? They might as well leave as much fucked up shit as possible for the incoming Fukker administration.

    Just like Jeremy Hunt and the Tories did for Labour.

    Labour have handled a poor hand very badly but Hunt cutting NI twice was a shambles.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,253

    Good morning

    Ending the triple lock and charging for the NHS is inevitable, together with some form of means testing the pension

    Of course it is the antithesis of Labour's DNA but ultimately someone will have to address it and maybe sooner than most think

    Starmer and Reeves have had a terrible first year making so many unenforced errors and creating the space for Farage and now Corbyn to exploit

    The problem is there are no solutions that the public will accept until the markets make it inevitable

    Nothing at all to do with the terrible errors made by Johnson, Truss and Sunak?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,434
    Andy_JS said:
    Farage working for the Rolex wearing classes by whipping up the people that will never own a Rolex (except for a snide one bought off Vinted for £30).
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,650
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage is just displaying what an idiot he is.

    No, he's just displaying his mastery of vibe campaigning.

    Do you think red wall chavs are worried about wearing a Kermit Sub while walking through Russell Square? That's not their reality, so the truth or otherwise is irrelevant. It's just a vivid way to illustrate, to the simple minded, how completely fucked the country is with the implicit message that only Nigel can unfuck it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,904

    Taz said:

    Battlebus said:

    Do you want a government to be popular or to do what's right for the country. The obsession with polls seems at odds with good governance.

    You also have MPs not willing to make those hard choices. It’s all ‘I didn’t come into politics to…..’.
    If MPs agreed on what is ‘right for the country’, we'd not have parties or even politics.
    I’m not talking cross party consensus. I’m talking about consensus within a party.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,369
    Fishing said:

    Just because you WANT something to be true, doesn't mean it actually IS.

    LOL
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,654

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage Talking Britain Down.
    I think everyone on PB talks Britain down, (well apart from Leon when he’s on one of his “Hello clouds, hello sky” happy walks through London’s nicer parts) why shouldn’t Nige join in the fun?
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,904
    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage is just displaying what an idiot he is.

    No, he's just displaying his mastery of vibe campaigning.

    it.
    Exactly this

    How can people not see this.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,017
    Ex-Sun editor David Dinsmore to take up government communications role

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/25/ex-sun-editor-david-dinsmore-to-take-up-new-government-communications-role

    #10 getting their own Andy Coulson. Not sure how well it goes down with the wing of the Labour Party who like to rip up copies of the Currant Bun on stage.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,017
    edited July 26

    So I have a Lions Test, England v India, and a sprint race, all taking place at the same time this morning.

    Sports schedulers need to liaise better.

    You need this setup,



    In my office, I go with ultrawide main monitor, 2 vertical monitors either side and a big telly above.
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,522
    The triple lock needs to end. We can't afford it.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,228
    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage is just displaying what an idiot he is.

    No, he's just displaying his mastery of vibe campaigning.

    it.
    Exactly this

    How can people not see this.
    Nope. Tried but clearly not connecting with Rolex owners like me.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,017
    nunu2 said:

    The triple lock needs to end. We can't afford it.

    At some point the can can't be kicked any longer, unless magical mega growth appears. It is just who is going to take this step, a UK politician or the IMF.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,686
    nunu2 said:

    The triple lock needs to end. We can't afford it.

    That won’t happen unless there’s cross party agreement to do so. As we saw from the WFA hysteria any party that dares cross the pensioners pays a big price .
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,260
    edited July 26

    Good morning

    Ending the triple lock and charging for the NHS is inevitable, together with some form of means testing the pension

    Of course it is the antithesis of Labour's DNA but ultimately someone will have to address it and maybe sooner than most think

    Starmer and Reeves have had a terrible first year making so many unenforced errors and creating the space for Farage and now Corbyn to exploit

    The problem is there are no solutions that the public will accept until the markets make it inevitable

    Nothing at all to do with the terrible errors made by Johnson, Truss and Sunak?
    Sunak and Hunt steadied the economy after Truss six week disaster, and of course the 500 billion cost of covid to our economy, with closing the country down for 2 years, had an inevitable consequences going forward for any government

    However, it is Starmer and Reeves with their idiotic anti business budget who have contributed enormously to today's crisis where by the way, bond prices are higher now than under Truss
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,985

    nunu2 said:

    The triple lock needs to end. We can't afford it.

    At some point the can can't be kicked any longer, unless magical mega growth appears. It is just who is going to take this step, a UK politician or the IMF.
    I know George is popular in these parts. But he was a long term catastrophe. Failed to cut the bloated current budget while he had a golden chance to do so, instead opting for the politically easier capital budget. Cosied up to the Chinese communists. Failed to sort out energy supply. And landed us with the indefinite triple lock, which almost certainly means I’ll never see my national insurance contributions returned as a state pension. And as for that pasty thing…
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,924
    edited July 26
    IanB2 said:

    Hence why they have been so harsh with the latest bunch of rebels. They need their MPs to know that they’ll be in the wilderness with Corbyn if they don’t vote as they are told.

    Meanwhile, out in the actual wilderness, we had a thunderstorm yesterday evening but it’s now warm and sunny yet again - 19C already at 7 am - and during the middle of the night it’s almost dark, as the sun is now setting at half eleven and not rising until after three. Today I am leaving Akaslompolo and heading south to drop by the spot where Santa lives and receives all those flights of children in the winter….


    Where pb leads, the Telegraph follows:-

    Santa Claus village swelters in heatwave
    Lapland experiences unseasonably warm weather, with highs of 31C and fears over wildfire risk

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/25/santa-claus-village-melting-heatwave-lapland/ (£££)
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,522
    nunu2 said:

    The triple lock needs to end. We can't afford it.

    We can't really cut spending because the big budgets of military, health, schools are all protected. And we have just seen Labour MOs will not accept reduce the size of who is entitled to welfare.

    We can't raise taxes because they are already too high and Britain already is losing the most Millionaires of any country.

    So it has to be state pensions, which have been protected for far too long.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,904
    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage is just displaying what an idiot he is.

    No, he's just displaying his mastery of vibe campaigning.

    it.
    Exactly this

    How can people not see this.
    Nope. Tried but clearly not connecting with Rolex owners like me.
    You’re not his target audience.

    I don’t own a Rolex. Just an Apple Watch. I doubt many people own a Rolex
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,017
    edited July 26
    moonshine said:

    nunu2 said:

    The triple lock needs to end. We can't afford it.

    At some point the can can't be kicked any longer, unless magical mega growth appears. It is just who is going to take this step, a UK politician or the IMF.
    I know George is popular in these parts. But he was a long term catastrophe. Failed to cut the bloated current budget while he had a golden chance to do so, instead opting for the politically easier capital budget. Cosied up to the Chinese communists. Failed to sort out energy supply. And landed us with the indefinite triple lock, which almost certainly means I’ll never see my national insurance contributions returned as a state pension. And as for that pasty thing…
    IMO, bottling the chance to combine IC + NI was a big mistake.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,904

    Good morning

    Ending the triple lock and charging for the NHS is inevitable, together with some form of means testing the pension

    Of course it is the antithesis of Labour's DNA but ultimately someone will have to address it and maybe sooner than most think

    Starmer and Reeves have had a terrible first year making so many unenforced errors and creating the space for Farage and now Corbyn to exploit

    The problem is there are no solutions that the public will accept until the markets make it inevitable

    Nothing at all to do with the terrible errors made by Johnson, Truss and Sunak?
    Sunak and Hunt steadied the economy after Truss six week disaster, and of course the 500 billion cost of covid to our economy, with closing the country down for 2 years, had an inevitable consequences going forward for any government

    However, it is Starmer and Reeves with their idiotic anti business budget who have contributed enormously to today's crisis where by the way, bond prices are higher now than under Truss
    Wait til we get Rayners job destroying, so called, workers rights bill.
  • nunu2nunu2 Posts: 1,522
    nico67 said:

    nunu2 said:

    The triple lock needs to end. We can't afford it.

    That won’t happen unless there’s cross party agreement to do so. As we saw from the WFA hysteria any party that dares cross the pensioners pays a big price .
    Labour are already rock bottom with pensioners anyway. They won't lose any voters there, because there are none to lose.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,473
    edited July 26
    Dura_Ace said:

    Labour must know, even at this far remove, that winning the next election is looking unlikely. Therefore why make all of the unpopular difficult policy choices now? They might as well leave as much fucked up shit as possible for the incoming Fukker administration.

    It was that same attitude from the Tories that made much of the mess we are currently in.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,473
    Fishing said:

    Scott_xP said:

    moonshine said:

    When boris kicked out the rebels, the Tory brand remained very strong

    The Tory brand has never recovered
    Yeah, he trashed it into a majority of 80.

    What a catastrophe.

    It was the remainer Truss that trashed it, not Boris.

    Just because you WANT something to be true, doesn't mean it actually IS.
    Just because you FEAR something might be true, doesn’t mean it isn’t.

    Putting Johnson into the top job was a catastrophic mistake, done for short-term self-interested party political reasons that were clearly spelled out to us at the time by our HY, but leading to disastrous consequences for both the party and our country as was also spelled out very clearly at the time by many others including me.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,985
    Taz said:

    Good morning

    Ending the triple lock and charging for the NHS is inevitable, together with some form of means testing the pension

    Of course it is the antithesis of Labour's DNA but ultimately someone will have to address it and maybe sooner than most think

    Starmer and Reeves have had a terrible first year making so many unenforced errors and creating the space for Farage and now Corbyn to exploit

    The problem is there are no solutions that the public will accept until the markets make it inevitable

    Nothing at all to do with the terrible errors made by Johnson, Truss and Sunak?
    Sunak and Hunt steadied the economy after Truss six week disaster, and of course the 500 billion cost of covid to our economy, with closing the country down for 2 years, had an inevitable consequences going forward for any government

    However, it is Starmer and Reeves with their idiotic anti business budget who have contributed enormously to today's crisis where by the way, bond prices are higher now than under Truss
    Wait til we get Rayners job destroying, so called, workers rights bill.
    Sunak and Hunt had a massive majority to try and enact major reform. And they did bugger all.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,543

    Being modest and self effacing is a trait all people from Dore have.

    Jack Hobbs and Joe Root are England’s greatest – and both should be knighted

    Despite batting in entirely different eras, the pair share many traits: soft hands, quick footwork and a self-effacing personality


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/07/25/joe-root-england-greatest-batsman-jack-hobbs-record-runs/

    I love Scyld Berry but he is wrong, Root doesn't deserve a knighthood, he deserve a Dukedom.

    Slight flattery of Jack Hobbs there - he played for 30 years at the Kennington Oval, which was very much a batter's ground iirc.

    (Not stirring, at all.)

  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,228

    IanB2 said:

    Hence why they have been so harsh with the latest bunch of rebels. They need their MPs to know that they’ll be in the wilderness with Corbyn if they don’t vote as they are told.

    Meanwhile, out in the actual wilderness, we had a thunderstorm yesterday evening but it’s now warm and sunny yet again - 19C already at 7 am - and during the middle of the night it’s almost dark, as the sun is now setting at half eleven and not rising until after three. Today I am leaving Akaslompolo and heading south to drop by the spot where Santa lives and receives all those flights of children in the winter….


    Where pb leads, the Telegraph follows:-

    Santa Claus village swelters in heatwave
    Lapland experiences unseasonably warm weather, with highs of 31C and fears over wildfire risk

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/25/santa-claus-village-melting-heatwave-lapland/ (£££)
    Sun always shines on the righteous - and IanB2
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,291
    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage is just displaying what an idiot he is.

    No, he's just displaying his mastery of vibe campaigning.

    it.
    Exactly this

    How can people not see this.
    Sure, whipping up lies has always been fertile soil for Right Wing Populists.

    I just expect PB to be more intelligent than that.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,332
    boulay said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage Talking Britain Down.
    I think everyone on PB talks Britain down, (well apart from Leon when he’s on one of his “Hello clouds, hello sky” happy walks through London’s nicer parts) why shouldn’t Nige join in the fun?
    Many of us do not - I cannot think of when I last 'talked Britain down'.

    But Farage's latest intervention is hilarious. The right-wingers on here were screeching about tax increases causing the REALLY IMPORTANT millionaires to flee the country.

    Now, these REALLY IMPORTANT millionaires are the sorts of people who will wear Rolexes, and Farage is telling them they are not safe in this country. Which is hardly going to attract them to stay, or even come, here.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,543
    nico67 said:

    nunu2 said:

    The triple lock needs to end. We can't afford it.

    That won’t happen unless there’s cross party agreement to do so. As we saw from the WFA hysteria any party that dares cross the pensioners pays a big price .
    Currently the Conservatives are congenitally incapable of doing anything cross-party.

    If they were, we would not have seen the Kemi trying to turn the Defence Review into a political football.

    They still have not had the courage to look in the mirror since the General Election.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,332
    Farage: man of the people Rolex wearers.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,780
    Taz said:

    Good morning

    Ending the triple lock and charging for the NHS is inevitable, together with some form of means testing the pension

    Of course it is the antithesis of Labour's DNA but ultimately someone will have to address it and maybe sooner than most think

    Starmer and Reeves have had a terrible first year making so many unenforced errors and creating the space for Farage and now Corbyn to exploit

    The problem is there are no solutions that the public will accept until the markets make it inevitable

    Nothing at all to do with the terrible errors made by Johnson, Truss and Sunak?
    Sunak and Hunt steadied the economy after Truss six week disaster, and of course the 500 billion cost of covid to our economy, with closing the country down for 2 years, had an inevitable consequences going forward for any government

    However, it is Starmer and Reeves with their idiotic anti business budget who have contributed enormously to today's crisis where by the way, bond prices are higher now than under Truss
    Wait til we get Rayners job destroying, so called, workers rights bill.
    That's already in law - implementation between now and 2027 - for a lot of things the actual changes are minimal and they binned first day rights.

    The fact you haven't picked up it's been implemented should tell you the changes are less significant than were originally announced.

    I suspect the single status review (coming in October) will be more important. It definitely will be for Deliveroo and co.

    Separately - agencies running their own payroll became a lot more risky for end clients last week - so expect all agency workers to be being paid via umbrellas going forward...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,434

    Ex-Sun editor David Dinsmore to take up government communications role

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/25/ex-sun-editor-david-dinsmore-to-take-up-new-government-communications-role

    #10 getting their own Andy Coulson. Not sure how well it goes down with the wing of the Labour Party who like to rip up copies of the Currant Bun on stage.

    Bound to help Sir Keir reconnect with the disgruntled Lab stronghold of Liverpool though.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,253
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage is just displaying what an idiot he is.

    No, he's just displaying his mastery of vibe campaigning.

    it.
    Exactly this

    How can people not see this.
    Sure, whipping up lies has always been fertile soil for Right Wing Populists.

    I just expect PB to be more intelligent than that.
    Populists on the left as well, of course.

    As for why we deny it... We like to think of politics as rationally talking through what's best for the country. The extent to which it's all vibes and lying in a way that sounds plausible is to depressing to want to contemplate.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,473
    edited July 26
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage is just displaying what an idiot he is.

    No, he's just displaying his mastery of vibe campaigning.

    it.
    Exactly this

    How can people not see this.
    Sure, whipping up lies has always been fertile soil for Right Wing Populists.

    I just expect PB to be more intelligent than that.
    Even though Rollo’s last living descendant walks amongst us…
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,010

    Ex-Sun editor David Dinsmore to take up government communications role

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/25/ex-sun-editor-david-dinsmore-to-take-up-new-government-communications-role

    #10 getting their own Andy Coulson. Not sure how well it goes down with the wing of the Labour Party who like to rip up copies of the Currant Bun on stage.

    Bound to help Sir Keir reconnect with the disgruntled Lab stronghold of Liverpool though.
    Labour, once again, trapped in the old thinking. Farage has young tiktok whizzes doing his media whilst Labour lumber on with thinking millions read newspapers before deciding how to vote.

  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,332
    I've got this image now of a moustached 1950s Farage in a smoky pub, opening his brown mac to reveal a load of fake Rolexes hanging inside. "Want a Rolex mate? 100% genuine, keep perfect time..."
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,940
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage is just displaying what an idiot he is.

    No, he's just displaying his mastery of vibe campaigning.

    it.
    Exactly this

    How can people not see this.
    Sure, whipping up lies has always been fertile soil for Right Wing Populists.

    I just expect PB to be more intelligent than that.
    Are you new to this site ?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,291
    edited July 26
    I see that Right Wing Commentator Dominique Samuel's has been on a bit of a journey:

    How Psychedelics Changed (and Destroyed) My Life https://medium.com/@dominiquetsamuels/how-psychedelics-changed-and-destroyed-my-life-768f10b7640d

    An example of how inner sadness drives a desire for fame, and harshens views.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,932
    edited July 26

    Farage: man of the people Rolex wearers.

    Farage is such a peasant, no wonder Coutts let him go.

    The elite wear Breitlings and Hublots, and potentially Patek Philippe.

    My watch of choice is a Breitling as it fits my understated personality.

    Apparently you can see my Breitling from the moon.
  • kjhkjh Posts: 12,928
    Taz said:

    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage is just displaying what an idiot he is.

    No, he's just displaying his mastery of vibe campaigning.

    it.
    Exactly this

    How can people not see this.
    Nope. Tried but clearly not connecting with Rolex owners like me.
    You’re not his target audience.

    I don’t own a Rolex. Just an Apple Watch. I doubt many people own a Rolex
    Agree. The audience is people who would like to own a Rolex and probably never will.

    PS I'm not his audience and don't own a watch ( just to complicate the overlapping and not overlapping sets)
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,654

    boulay said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage Talking Britain Down.
    I think everyone on PB talks Britain down, (well apart from Leon when he’s on one of his “Hello clouds, hello sky” happy walks through London’s nicer parts) why shouldn’t Nige join in the fun?
    Many of us do not - I cannot think of when I last 'talked Britain down'.

    But Farage's latest intervention is hilarious. The right-wingers on here were screeching about tax increases causing the REALLY IMPORTANT millionaires to flee the country.

    Now, these REALLY IMPORTANT millionaires are the sorts of people who will wear Rolexes, and Farage is telling them they are not safe in this country. Which is hardly going to attract them to stay, or even come, here.
    Whilst my comment was slightly tongue in cheek, Farage’s tweet is making a point with a bit of a sledgehammer that people will understand. Most people know Rolexes are expensive watches and highlights the crime issue in a blunt way. It’s not aimed at very wealthy people who might be considering the UK, it’s aimed at the home market.

    It’s not remotely inconsistent to point out a crime issue and also bemoan wealthy people leaving the UK.

    You still clearly have an issue with “ REALLY IMPORTANT millionaires” which is really a “you” problem and is the same with many people in the UK, and it’s cool, you can watch your country stagnate and see entrepreneurs and wealthy investors swerve living in London and surrounds for countries actively trying to attract them. It’s very sad as I love the UK but you are a bit fucked but at least you will be able to buy a house in Mayfair when all the horrid wealthy people have moved on.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,017
    edited July 26
    kjh said:

    Taz said:

    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage is just displaying what an idiot he is.

    No, he's just displaying his mastery of vibe campaigning.

    it.
    Exactly this

    How can people not see this.
    Nope. Tried but clearly not connecting with Rolex owners like me.
    You’re not his target audience.

    I don’t own a Rolex. Just an Apple Watch. I doubt many people own a Rolex
    Agree. The audience is people who would like to own a Rolex and probably never will.

    PS I'm not his audience and don't own a watch ( just to complicate the overlapping and not overlapping sets)
    Rolex now make over a million watches a year. They really aren't that exclusive now. Hence why TSE says people who go on Concorde if it was still running wouldn't be wearing one.

    There are of course Rolex's and there are Rolex's (and I don't mean the Chinese fakes).
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,077
    kjh said:

    Taz said:

    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage is just displaying what an idiot he is.

    No, he's just displaying his mastery of vibe campaigning.

    it.
    Exactly this

    How can people not see this.
    Nope. Tried but clearly not connecting with Rolex owners like me.
    You’re not his target audience.

    I don’t own a Rolex. Just an Apple Watch. I doubt many people own a Rolex
    Agree. The audience is people who would like to own a Rolex and probably never will.

    PS I'm not his audience and don't own a watch ( just to complicate the overlapping and not overlapping sets)
    The audience is not anyone in London, that's for sure.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,089

    So I have a Lions Test, England v India, and a sprint race, all taking place at the same time this morning.

    Sports schedulers need to liaise better.

    You’d have thought that Sky, with the rights to both the rugby and the F1, might have suggested a schedule change to such a clash.

    I’m off to the pub, where they have enough screens to show all three events at the same time.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,228
    When touring China years ago you could get a Rolex for a dollar. But I had one.

    In Tiananmen Square we took a liking to the kites flying there and negotiated the purchase again for a dollar.

    As we were walking away the vendor asked if we wanted string with the kite - for a dollar.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,904
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage is just displaying what an idiot he is.

    No, he's just displaying his mastery of vibe campaigning.

    it.
    Exactly this

    How can people not see this.
    Sure, whipping up lies has always been fertile soil for Right Wing Populists.

    I just expect PB to be more intelligent than that.
    Indeed left wing populists only ever tell the truth. I’m not sure quite how PB is at fault here to earn one of your regular sneers. No one seems to be saying Farage is right

    People see virtue in their own side and vice in the other side.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,291

    kjh said:

    Taz said:

    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage is just displaying what an idiot he is.

    No, he's just displaying his mastery of vibe campaigning.

    it.
    Exactly this

    How can people not see this.
    Nope. Tried but clearly not connecting with Rolex owners like me.
    You’re not his target audience.

    I don’t own a Rolex. Just an Apple Watch. I doubt many people own a Rolex
    Agree. The audience is people who would like to own a Rolex and probably never will.

    PS I'm not his audience and don't own a watch ( just to complicate the overlapping and not overlapping sets)
    Rolex now make over a million watches a year. They really aren't that exclusive now. Hence why TSE says people who go on Concorde if it was still running wouldn't be wearing one.

    There are of course Rolex's and there are Rolex's (and I don't mean the Chinese fakes).
    I am clearly not their market, but I really cannot fathom this fashion for ridiculously expensive watches. I do have a Garmin smartwatch, but otherwise just check the time on my phone.

    I suppose that it is as simple as my mother puts it "There's always been folk with more money than sense"
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,306

    kjh said:

    Taz said:

    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage is just displaying what an idiot he is.

    No, he's just displaying his mastery of vibe campaigning.

    it.
    Exactly this

    How can people not see this.
    Nope. Tried but clearly not connecting with Rolex owners like me.
    You’re not his target audience.

    I don’t own a Rolex. Just an Apple Watch. I doubt many people own a Rolex
    Agree. The audience is people who would like to own a Rolex and probably never will.

    PS I'm not his audience and don't own a watch ( just to complicate the overlapping and not overlapping sets)
    Rolex now make over a million watches a year. They really aren't that exclusive now. Hence why TSE says people who go on Concorde if it was still running wouldn't be wearing one.

    There are of course Rolex's and there are Rolex's (and I don't mean the Chinese fakes).
    People are aspirational, and wildly optimistic. A very large chunk of the population think they are simply one bright idea or a lottery win away from wearing a Rolex. Hence the reaction to IHT - very few people pay it, but almost everyone expects to.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,260

    Good morning

    Ending the triple lock and charging for the NHS is inevitable, together with some form of means testing the pension

    Of course it is the antithesis of Labour's DNA but ultimately someone will have to address it and maybe sooner than most think

    Starmer and Reeves have had a terrible first year making so many unenforced errors and creating the space for Farage and now Corbyn to exploit

    The problem is there are no solutions that the public will accept until the markets make it inevitable

    Nothing at all to do with the terrible errors made by Johnson, Truss and Sunak?
    Sunak and Hunt steadied the economy after Truss six week disaster, and of course the 500 billion cost of covid to our economy, with closing the country down for 2 years, had an inevitable consequences going forward for any government

    However, it is Starmer and Reeves with their idiotic anti business budget who have contributed enormously to today's crisis where by the way, bond prices are higher now than under Truss
    And that's where I think you're wrong.

    These problems have been brewing for decades- I'd say at least since Lawson, if others want to put it earlier I wouldn't argue. Whenever we had temporary favourable circumstances as a nation, we spent them as if they would be permanent. And now they seem to have definitively run out.

    That's not to say that the current government have handled things well. But their inheritance was terrible, and deliberately made worse by Sunak and Hunt in their last twelve months.
    I don't disagree but covid cost billions and changed both our attitude to health and work

    There are no easy solutions that politicians can make but ultimately they will have no choice
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,017
    edited July 26
    Foxy said:

    kjh said:

    Taz said:

    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage is just displaying what an idiot he is.

    No, he's just displaying his mastery of vibe campaigning.

    it.
    Exactly this

    How can people not see this.
    Nope. Tried but clearly not connecting with Rolex owners like me.
    You’re not his target audience.

    I don’t own a Rolex. Just an Apple Watch. I doubt many people own a Rolex
    Agree. The audience is people who would like to own a Rolex and probably never will.

    PS I'm not his audience and don't own a watch ( just to complicate the overlapping and not overlapping sets)
    Rolex now make over a million watches a year. They really aren't that exclusive now. Hence why TSE says people who go on Concorde if it was still running wouldn't be wearing one.

    There are of course Rolex's and there are Rolex's (and I don't mean the Chinese fakes).
    I am clearly not their market, but I really cannot fathom this fashion for ridiculously expensive watches. I do have a Garmin smartwatch, but otherwise just check the time on my phone.

    I suppose that it is as simple as my mother puts it "There's always been folk with more money than sense"
    It does make me chuckle when people who are super into high end luxury get themselves all over excited about a watch having a particular "complication", by which I mean perhaps it does day / date or it does time in a different time zones...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,010
    FT's Northern editor:


    ‪Jennifer Williams‬
    @jenwilliamsft.bsky.social‬

    Can’t comment on the tel article as I’ve not read it. But the “tinder box” thing (also “powder keg”) has been said to me by so many MPs, charities and council people over the last week I don’t think it can be dismissed as some kind of alt right/McSweeney/Faragist fever dream

    https://bsky.app/profile/jenwilliamsft.bsky.social/post/3luu2qbdxes2d
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,332
    Battlebus said:

    When touring China years ago you could get a Rolex for a dollar. But I had one.

    In Tiananmen Square we took a liking to the kites flying there and negotiated the purchase again for a dollar.

    As we were walking away the vendor asked if we wanted string with the kite - for a dollar.

    When I was a teenager, my dad bought a 'genuine' Swiss Army Knife from a stall in a market somewhere near Petersfield. That Christmas, he went to open a bottle of wine, and the penknife's corkscrew straightened.

    Having said that, it was a good purchase. It's his wittling knife; one he generally keeps on him if he needs to scrape some paint off, cut a piece of string or take a chunk out of some wood. The main blade is now very concave from wear.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,017
    edited July 26

    FT's Northern editor:


    ‪Jennifer Williams‬
    @jenwilliamsft.bsky.social‬

    Can’t comment on the tel article as I’ve not read it. But the “tinder box” thing (also “powder keg”) has been said to me by so many MPs, charities and council people over the last week I don’t think it can be dismissed as some kind of alt right/McSweeney/Faragist fever dream

    https://bsky.app/profile/jenwilliamsft.bsky.social/post/3luu2qbdxes2d

    Is it this weekend that Tommy Ten Names is getting off his sun lounger in Tenerife and turning up in Epping?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,473
    Battlebus said:

    When touring China years ago you could get a Rolex for a dollar. But I had one.

    In Tiananmen Square we took a liking to the kites flying there and negotiated the purchase again for a dollar.

    As we were walking away the vendor asked if we wanted string with the kite - for a dollar.

    I remember buying a fake Rolex (one of the cleaner, plainer versions) in Singapore in 1993 for a few dollars. Worked fine, and looked right except that the second hand clicked round rather than sweeping continuously. Worked as my watch for at least five years until my partner bought me a Raymond Neil, which I still have and still works, except for the little date window that gets stuck in the high 20s.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,306
    Charging for the NHS is mental but at least the IMF have recognised where all the money is going. Too much of our debate is about relatively paltry amounts of cash going on changes to PIP, WFP etc etc, even while by the far the biggest area of spending - health - continues to rocket up.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,017
    edited July 26
    IanB2 said:

    Battlebus said:

    When touring China years ago you could get a Rolex for a dollar. But I had one.

    In Tiananmen Square we took a liking to the kites flying there and negotiated the purchase again for a dollar.

    As we were walking away the vendor asked if we wanted string with the kite - for a dollar.

    I remember buying a fake Rolex (one of the cleaner, plainer versions) in Singapore in 1993 for a few dollars. Worked fine, and looked right except that the second hand clicked round rather than sweeping continuously. Worked as my watch for at least five years until my partner bought me a Raymond Neil, which I still have and still works, except for the little date window that gets stuck in the high 20s.
    Some of the knock-offs available now can be incredibly good. The Chinese make $1000 "super-clone" that require a real expert to spot they are fake both outside and in. I believe the $200 available in places like Turkey are lesser quality but still actually good watches i.e. they have automatic movements, but they are Japanese rather than Swiss.

    I have heard of people buying the $1000 clones to wear in public while they store their genuine one away in a vault, so if they do get robbed they lose the clone.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,543
    kjh said:

    Taz said:

    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage is just displaying what an idiot he is.

    No, he's just displaying his mastery of vibe campaigning.

    it.
    Exactly this

    How can people not see this.
    Nope. Tried but clearly not connecting with Rolex owners like me.
    You’re not his target audience.

    I don’t own a Rolex. Just an Apple Watch. I doubt many people own a Rolex
    Agree. The audience is people who would like to own a Rolex and probably never will.

    PS I'm not his audience and don't own a watch ( just to complicate the overlapping and not overlapping sets)
    The audience is people stuck in the 1970s who still imagine a Rolex is desirable.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,711
    IanB2 said:

    Battlebus said:

    When touring China years ago you could get a Rolex for a dollar. But I had one.

    In Tiananmen Square we took a liking to the kites flying there and negotiated the purchase again for a dollar.

    As we were walking away the vendor asked if we wanted string with the kite - for a dollar.

    I remember buying a fake Rolex (one of the cleaner, plainer versions) in Singapore in 1993 for a few dollars. Worked fine, and looked right except that the second hand clicked round rather than sweeping continuously. Worked as my watch for at least five years until my partner bought me a Raymond Neil, which I still have and still works, except for the little date window that gets stuck in the high 20s.
    Autocorrect doing a decent comedy job there.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,253
    Chris said:

    kjh said:

    Taz said:

    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage is just displaying what an idiot he is.

    No, he's just displaying his mastery of vibe campaigning.

    it.
    Exactly this

    How can people not see this.
    Nope. Tried but clearly not connecting with Rolex owners like me.
    You’re not his target audience.

    I don’t own a Rolex. Just an Apple Watch. I doubt many people own a Rolex
    Agree. The audience is people who would like to own a Rolex and probably never will.

    PS I'm not his audience and don't own a watch ( just to complicate the overlapping and not overlapping sets)
    The audience is not anyone in London, that's for sure.
    One of the things uniting the two halves of the Reform coalition is not liking that there London. Even Reform's win in Bromley ("Kent, actually") is consistent with that.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 86,017
    edited July 26
    Eabhal said:

    Charging for the NHS is mental but at least the IMF have recognised where all the money is going. Too much of our debate is about relatively paltry amounts of cash going on changes to PIP, WFP etc etc, even while by the far the biggest area of spending - health - continues to rocket up.

    Its laughable all the claims about having to tax private school VAT for £1bn or WFP cuts saving £2-3bn, then we borrow billions more than forecast in just one month. And the interest payments on our debt alone every month is now £16bn.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,765
    Good morning, everyone.

    F1: just a reminder the pre-race tosh will be up tomorrow morning. Normally, sprints are a great guide to race pace but as the sprint may be dry and the race wet things might diverge substantially. I'll be checking the forecast tomorrow, right before I bet.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,765

    Eabhal said:

    Charging for the NHS is mental but at least the IMF have recognised where all the money is going. Too much of our debate is about relatively paltry amounts of cash going on changes to PIP, WFP etc etc, even while by the far the biggest area of spending - health - continues to rocket up.

    Its laughable all the claims about having to tax private school VAT for £1bn or WFP cuts saving £2-3bn, then we borrow billions more than forecast in just one month. And the interest repayments alone every month is now £16bn.
    The shocking state of the deficit and debt, including as you rightly say debt interest, is damning for our political class but even more so political journalism. The media's laser-focus on personality fluff and studious avoidance of looking at what matters in the long term preferring scandal and sensationalism to legislation and long term implications, is a large part of the reason why the politicians at the top right now seem far inferior. Who'd want the job?

    Consider if we swapped Starmer for Blair and Badenoch for Cameron. Yes, both made significant errors, but I'd take that change in a heartbeat.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,332
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Andy_JS said:
    Farage Talking Britain Down.
    I think everyone on PB talks Britain down, (well apart from Leon when he’s on one of his “Hello clouds, hello sky” happy walks through London’s nicer parts) why shouldn’t Nige join in the fun?
    Many of us do not - I cannot think of when I last 'talked Britain down'.

    But Farage's latest intervention is hilarious. The right-wingers on here were screeching about tax increases causing the REALLY IMPORTANT millionaires to flee the country.

    Now, these REALLY IMPORTANT millionaires are the sorts of people who will wear Rolexes, and Farage is telling them they are not safe in this country. Which is hardly going to attract them to stay, or even come, here.
    Whilst my comment was slightly tongue in cheek, Farage’s tweet is making a point with a bit of a sledgehammer that people will understand. Most people know Rolexes are expensive watches and highlights the crime issue in a blunt way. It’s not aimed at very wealthy people who might be considering the UK, it’s aimed at the home market.

    It’s not remotely inconsistent to point out a crime issue and also bemoan wealthy people leaving the UK.

    You still clearly have an issue with “ REALLY IMPORTANT millionaires” which is really a “you” problem and is the same with many people in the UK, and it’s cool, you can watch your country stagnate and see entrepreneurs and wealthy investors swerve living in London and surrounds for countries actively trying to attract them. It’s very sad as I love the UK but you are a bit fucked but at least you will be able to buy a house in Mayfair when all the horrid wealthy people have moved on.
    I have zero problem with REALLY IMPORTANT millionaires. As I've said many times, I'm very relaxed about people being rich - especially when they contribute. My emphasis was jokily about those on here for whom the REALLY IMPORTANT millionaires are the only people who matter. Oh, and the plastic patriots. :)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,010
    Eabhal said:

    Charging for the NHS is mental but at least the IMF have recognised where all the money is going. Too much of our debate is about relatively paltry amounts of cash going on changes to PIP, WFP etc etc, even while by the far the biggest area of spending - health - continues to rocket up.

    Is charging for the NHS "mental"? I paid prescription fees for years until at 60 they became free.

    Can the NHS continue as a soley funded from tax institution? Looking increasing unreal.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,654

    Battlebus said:

    When touring China years ago you could get a Rolex for a dollar. But I had one.

    In Tiananmen Square we took a liking to the kites flying there and negotiated the purchase again for a dollar.

    As we were walking away the vendor asked if we wanted string with the kite - for a dollar.

    When I was a teenager, my dad bought a 'genuine' Swiss Army Knife from a stall in a market somewhere near Petersfield. That Christmas, he went to open a bottle of wine, and the penknife's corkscrew straightened.

    Having said that, it was a good purchase. It's his wittling knife; one he generally keeps on him if he needs to scrape some paint off, cut a piece of string or take a chunk out of some wood. The main blade is now very concave from wear.
    The Swiss army used to buy half of their stocks of Swiss Army Knives from Victorinox and half from Wenger (until Victorinox bought Wenger) so that everyone would be happy - Victorinox was from German Switzerland and Wenger from French Switzerland.

    Don’t tell me you don’t learn anything useful on PB.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,369

    Farage: man of the people Rolex wearers.

    Farage is such a peasant, no wonder Coutts let him go.

    The elite wear Breitlings and Hublots, and potentially Patek Philippe.

    My watch of choice is a Breitling as it fits my understated personality.

    Apparently you can see my Breitling from the moon.
    James Bond wears a Rolex...

    I knew a sound recordist who wore a Rolex every day. He wasn't a very wealthy guy but he had done a job in the Middle East and the Sultan gave every member of the crew one as a gift
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