Did they come for him at 3AM, like the NKVD from the Lubyanka?
The mod policy here is interesting, considering Cyclefree made a libellous claim about Beth Upton in the previous thread and got a free pass.
Is there a PB superinjunction about merely discussing the fact a ban exists? Or why?
Quite bizarre
I think it would be useful if a post were stickied in PB on mod policy and what is and isn't allowed to be said.
I'm hugely in favour of free speech which is why I have no issue with most of the comments posted here even when I disagree with them, though if I were Dr Upton I would probs consider legal action on the allegations made in the previous thread.
Williamglenn is at best a provocateur and at worst an asshole and russian troll, but we probably deserve to know what he said and why he was banned for saying it.
We know that rooming bangs aren't something we're allowed to discuss here, but what else gets the ban hammer (when libel doesn't?). A clear list of rules and 'do not cross' lines would be useful (especially for new commentators, who may not be familiar with edicts issued in threads months ago).
It's a very good idea, as the number of Banning Offences is growing. the other day @TSE made - I think - a joking remark that linking to the Spectator is a bannable offence. I presume it was a gag, but it might not be
Ditto the new rules on swearing at others, the unmentionable subjects, and so forth...
The site can only function with rules, and the mods are entitled to impose rules as they see fit. We all accept that. But commenters can only function if they KNOW the rules
So, I don't know why @williamglenn is no longer able to post, but it is worth remembering that 90% of bans are no such thing: most are 24 or 48 hour time outs after someone has overstepped a line.
He started channelling the language of the far right with calls for self deportations of British citizens born outside the UK, something a few PBers called him out on.
He was a few posts away talking about remigration.
Last time I spoke to your Dad he didn’t want that kind of post to go unpunished.
So he came out with political opinions you don't like. That's it?
I have a new concept for you.
Sit down. Get ready. Brace. Put a mouth guard in. This may hurt.
Some ideas are unacceptable to decent people. Even when they are just ideas.
So who are the "decent people". Who defines them? What is decent? I have a strange idea that you will be one of THE DECENT and those who you disagree with, not
It is lucky there is a ban against foul language because I would now submit you to a finely crafted fusillade of the same. As it is I shall restrict myself to noting that you are morally repulsive
Since you seem to have a low IQ, I’ll spell it out for you.
OGH = Our Gracious Host
This is his place. His definition of decent. @TheScreamingEagles is his emissary, enforcing his edicts.
If you want to say things that OGH doesn’t like, you do it elsewhere.
His house, his rules.
Christ, can this site get any more pompous? The odour of the self righteous centrist dad is pungent, tonight
You can always set up Knappy-Gaz-betting.com or something?
The site is poorer for all the free-thinkers chased away. We are left with the dregs of the centrists
+1 for Ish. A vituperative and argumentative old public school bugger I used to argue with often. I miss him. I often think he is me in another 40 years.
Also:
Al Meeks I disagreed with on everything but thought him a valuable and insightful commentator. Educated and intellectual, he provided the chum that got the rest of PB's sharks into a feeding frenzy.
Charles. Was deeply interesting once you got past the "do you know who I am?" - I'm a bit posh but not *that* posh. Charles provided genuine insight into a worldview most don't get to meet.
148grss - perhaps the site's only interesting and intellectual marxist. Did I agree with a word he said? No. Did I find his words challenged my worldview? Hell yes, in a way few other posters on here ever do.
If this is gonna become a site when you can be banned for literally having an opinion that the centrist dads - the most tedious people on earth - find “unacceptable” simply because they don’t like it, then I shan’t last long
We have lost too many diverse voices because of this hegemony of the mediocre. People like @Malmesbury or @kinabalu or @IanB2 who never ever ever ever say anything politically interesting, ever. Even if the odd dog photo is cute
I really miss @Charles, @AlastairMeeks and @Richard_Nabavi. I still very much enjoy the site but I am not sure that the level of analysis we once got is currently matched. No doubt these things come in cycles (or even @Cyclefrees).
Did they come for him at 3AM, like the NKVD from the Lubyanka?
The mod policy here is interesting, considering Cyclefree made a libellous claim about Beth Upton in the previous thread and got a free pass.
Is there a PB superinjunction about merely discussing the fact a ban exists? Or why?
Quite bizarre
I think it would be useful if a post were stickied in PB on mod policy and what is and isn't allowed to be said.
I'm hugely in favour of free speech which is why I have no issue with most of the comments posted here even when I disagree with them, though if I were Dr Upton I would probs consider legal action on the allegations made in the previous thread.
Williamglenn is at best a provocateur and at worst an asshole and russian troll, but we probably deserve to know what he said and why he was banned for saying it.
We know that rooming bangs aren't something we're allowed to discuss here, but what else gets the ban hammer (when libel doesn't?). A clear list of rules and 'do not cross' lines would be useful (especially for new commentators, who may not be familiar with edicts issued in threads months ago).
It's a very good idea, as the number of Banning Offences is growing. the other day @TSE made - I think - a joking remark that linking to the Spectator is a bannable offence. I presume it was a gag, but it might not be
Ditto the new rules on swearing at others, the unmentionable subjects, and so forth...
The site can only function with rules, and the mods are entitled to impose rules as they see fit. We all accept that. But commenters can only function if they KNOW the rules
So, I don't know why @williamglenn is no longer able to post, but it is worth remembering that 90% of bans are no such thing: most are 24 or 48 hour time outs after someone has overstepped a line.
He started channelling the language of the far right with calls for self deportations of British citizens born outside the UK, something a few PBers called him out on.
He was a few posts away talking about remigration.
Last time I spoke to your Dad he didn’t want that kind of post to go unpunished.
So he came out with political opinions you don't like. That's it?
I have a new concept for you.
Sit down. Get ready. Brace. Put a mouth guard in. This may hurt.
Some ideas are unacceptable to decent people. Even when they are just ideas.
So who are the "decent people". Who defines them? What is decent? I have a strange idea that you will be one of THE DECENT and those who you disagree with, not
It is lucky there is a ban against foul language because I would now submit you to a finely crafted fusillade of the same. As it is I shall restrict myself to noting that you are morally repulsive
Since you seem to have a low IQ, I’ll spell it out for you.
OGH = Our Gracious Host
This is his place. His definition of decent. @TheScreamingEagles is his emissary, enforcing his edicts.
If you want to say things that OGH doesn’t like, you do it elsewhere.
His house, his rules.
Christ, can this site get any more pompous? The odour of the self righteous centrist dad is pungent, tonight
You're the one being pompous. Making out that a poster getting 'banned' from PB for a couple of days is some sort of moral atrocity. The free-thinking outlaw renegades being censored by a stultifying middlebrow centrist blob. It's the most utter self-regarding preeny precious tosh.
Once, just once, say something interesting. Or funny. Or clever. Or witty. Just once?
Somewhere in that desolate pit of nullity that is your golfing non-soul, there must be ONE comment worth making
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
It's horrendous. The Israelis have slaughtered more civilians in Gaza in two years than the Nazis killed in Bergen Belsen in four. And we're still listening to the tape of Richard Attenborough's heartbreaking broadcast 80 years on.
If you want a serious debate, rather than a rant - what do you honestly think the Gazans would do to Israeli Jews, given the chance?
And how do you see this being solved? What should Israel do, to bring this to a humane resolution?
Meh. You're apologising for genocide. There may not be a solution. There may not be a resolution. That doesn't make mass starvation okay.
Did they come for him at 3AM, like the NKVD from the Lubyanka?
The mod policy here is interesting, considering Cyclefree made a libellous claim about Beth Upton in the previous thread and got a free pass.
Is there a PB superinjunction about merely discussing the fact a ban exists? Or why?
Quite bizarre
I think it would be useful if a post were stickied in PB on mod policy and what is and isn't allowed to be said.
I'm hugely in favour of free speech which is why I have no issue with most of the comments posted here even when I disagree with them, though if I were Dr Upton I would probs consider legal action on the allegations made in the previous thread.
Williamglenn is at best a provocateur and at worst an asshole and russian troll, but we probably deserve to know what he said and why he was banned for saying it.
We know that rooming bangs aren't something we're allowed to discuss here, but what else gets the ban hammer (when libel doesn't?). A clear list of rules and 'do not cross' lines would be useful (especially for new commentators, who may not be familiar with edicts issued in threads months ago).
It's a very good idea, as the number of Banning Offences is growing. the other day @TSE made - I think - a joking remark that linking to the Spectator is a bannable offence. I presume it was a gag, but it might not be
Ditto the new rules on swearing at others, the unmentionable subjects, and so forth...
The site can only function with rules, and the mods are entitled to impose rules as they see fit. We all accept that. But commenters can only function if they KNOW the rules
So, I don't know why @williamglenn is no longer able to post, but it is worth remembering that 90% of bans are no such thing: most are 24 or 48 hour time outs after someone has overstepped a line.
He started channelling the language of the far right with calls for self deportations of British citizens born outside the UK, something a few PBers called him out on.
He was a few posts away talking about remigration.
Last time I spoke to your Dad he didn’t want that kind of post to go unpunished.
So he came out with political opinions you don't like. That's it?
I have a new concept for you.
Sit down. Get ready. Brace. Put a mouth guard in. This may hurt.
Some ideas are unacceptable to decent people. Even when they are just ideas.
So who are the "decent people". Who defines them? What is decent? I have a strange idea that you will be one of THE DECENT and those who you disagree with, not
It is lucky there is a ban against foul language because I would now submit you to a finely crafted fusillade of the same. As it is I shall restrict myself to noting that you are morally repulsive
Since you seem to have a low IQ, I’ll spell it out for you.
OGH = Our Gracious Host
This is his place. His definition of decent. @TheScreamingEagles is his emissary, enforcing his edicts.
If you want to say things that OGH doesn’t like, you do it elsewhere.
His house, his rules.
Christ, can this site get any more pompous? The odour of the self righteous centrist dad is pungent, tonight
You're the one being pompous. Making out that a poster getting 'banned' from PB for a couple of days is some sort of moral atrocity. The free-thinking outlaw renegades being censored by a stultifying middlebrow centrist blob. It's the most utter self-regarding preeny precious tosh.
Once, just once, say something interesting. Or funny. Or clever. Or witty. Just once?
Somewhere in that desolate pit of nullity that is your golfing non-soul, there must be ONE comment worth making
Quite content with that one for now.
I can imagine. Like a desperately constipated gnu excreting a mackerel's eye. You tried to be funny, or biting, and you failed, but at least you got something out
I was recently banned for the first time, some 18 years after first commenting. I understand the site was doing it for legal reasons but those legal reasons struck me as a disgrace and made me wonder who was behind it. Certainly influenced my politics.
Oh behave, when several PBers start posting legally problematic posts it puts the site at risk we restrict discussions on that topic, we've done it over for example the phone hacking scandal, Lord McAlpine, and other topics.
If you think it was a disgrace you need to give your head a wobble.
If we're going by https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/1895932#Comment_1895932 as highlighted by ydoethur, then surely Cyclefree's comment in the previous thread, claiming Beth Upton was using the ladies so she could perve on other women would meet the criterion under (4) for the banhammer.
I'm pro free speech and anti boo hoo let's get the lawyers in, so you'll have none of that from me. But I do think it would be useful to have a codified set of pb rules against which the banhammer is applied, the rules should be regularly updated and easily accessible so that a newcomer to the site understands them.
The rules should be consistent, accessible and universal. Otherwise it's just 'mod's choice'.
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
It's horrendous. The Israelis have slaughtered more civilians in Gaza in two years than the Nazis killed in Bergen Belsen in four. And we're still listening to the tape of Richard Attenborough's heartbreaking broadcast 80 years on.
If you want a serious debate, rather than a rant - what do you honestly think the Gazans would do to Israeli Jews, given the chance?
And how do you see this being solved? What should Israel do, to bring this to a humane resolution?
Meh. You're apologising for genocide. There may not be a solution. There may not be a resolution. That doesn't make mass starvation okay.
F off. I'm not apologising. I'm just not gonna sit here and bleat, whine and virtuously signal my outrage, performatively. There needs to be a solution. The only solution that can satisfy all sides, at this late appalling stage, is what Trump said. Mad as that sounds
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
It's horrendous. The Israelis have slaughtered more civilians in Gaza in two years than the Nazis killed in Bergen Belsen in four. And we're still listening to the tape of Richard Attenborough's heartbreaking broadcast 80 years on.
If you want a serious debate, rather than a rant - what do you honestly think the Gazans would do to Israeli Jews, given the chance?
And how do you see this being solved? What should Israel do, to bring this to a humane resolution?
Pretty sure a shitload more Gazans are filled with genocidal rage towards Israelis than there were two years ago, so that’s worked out well.
I was recently banned for the first time, some 18 years after first commenting. I understand the site was doing it for legal reasons but those legal reasons struck me as a disgrace and made me wonder who was behind it. Certainly influenced my politics.
Oh behave, when several PBers start posting legally problematic posts it puts the site at risk we restrict discussions on that topic, we've done it over for example the phone hacking scandal, Lord McAlpine, and other topics.
If you think it was a disgrace you need to give your head a wobble.
Disgraceful on behalf of the authorities who were trying to close down discussion of a hugely important issue. I'm not blaming the mods for that.
We now of course have an attempt to come up with a definition of Islamophobia. I think we all know what its purpose is.
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
Israel Palestine is the most potent geopolitical evidence for Larkin's immortal insight:
Man hands on misery to man. It deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can, And don’t have any kids yourself
As the Germans did to the Jews, so the Jews are doing to the Palestinians. With the added complication that, given the chance, we all know that many many Gazans - far too many - would do exactly the same to every Jew they could find
There is no solution other than the one proposed by - ironically - Trump. Move the Gazans away and stuff their mouths with gold
Well, firstly it's not really a solution. Because giving $5,000 a person doesn't solve the issue that there's nowhere obvious else for them to go. Unless Israel is planning on letting them go to the West Bank.
Which I'm guessing they aren't that keen on.
And which brings us to the other problem. What about the West Bank? Every day - as you know from your travels there - the Israelis take control of more of the territory, and each day they make the lives of Palestinians there a little bit worse.
At some point, the Palestinians will have been resrticted to an area, say, the size of Gaza. And will not doubt act out. As you would do in that scenario. And then are we to sanction another bit of ethnic cleansing?
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
It's horrendous. The Israelis have slaughtered more civilians in Gaza in two years than the Nazis killed in Bergen Belsen in four. And we're still listening to the tape of Richard Attenborough's heartbreaking broadcast 80 years on.
If you want a serious debate, rather than a rant - what do you honestly think the Gazans would do to Israeli Jews, given the chance?
And how do you see this being solved? What should Israel do, to bring this to a humane resolution?
Meh. You're apologising for genocide. There may not be a solution. There may not be a resolution. That doesn't make mass starvation okay.
F off. I'm not apologising. I'm just not gonna sit here and bleat, whine and virtuously signal my outrage, performatively. There needs to be a solution. The only solution that can satisfy all sides, at this late appalling stage, is what Trump said. Mad as that sounds
Fair enough. I read implicit justification for what David linked to in your post. If that was my misread, I apologise.
I think seeking solutions to the bigger problem at this stage is a fool's game, if it serves as any distraction at all from solving the immediate problem of forcing Israel and Egypt to let aid in so that fewer innocent people starve.
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
Israel Palestine is the most potent geopolitical evidence for Larkin's immortal insight:
Man hands on misery to man. It deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can, And don’t have any kids yourself
As the Germans did to the Jews, so the Jews are doing to the Palestinians. With the added complication that, given the chance, we all know that many many Gazans - far too many - would do exactly the same to every Jew they could find
There is no solution other than the one proposed by - ironically - Trump. Move the Gazans away and stuff their mouths with gold
Well, firstly it's not really a solution. Because giving $5,000 a person doesn't solve the issue that there's nowhere obvious else for them to go. Unless Israel is planning on letting them go to the West Bank.
Which I'm guessing they aren't that keen on.
And which brings us to the other problem. What about the West Bank? Every day - as you know from your travels there - the Israelis take control of more of the territory, and each day they make the lives of Palestinians there a little bit worse.
At some point, the Palestinians will have been resrticted to an area, say, the size of Gaza. And will not doubt act out. As you would do in that scenario. And then are we to sanction another bit of ethnic cleansing?
The only answer, or recourse, at this point is international isolation and sanctions, similar to the apartheid era's, on Netanyahu's government.
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
It's horrendous. The Israelis have slaughtered more civilians in Gaza in two years than the Nazis killed in Bergen Belsen in four. And we're still listening to the tape of Richard Attenborough's heartbreaking broadcast 80 years on.
If you want a serious debate, rather than a rant - what do you honestly think the Gazans would do to Israeli Jews, given the chance?
And how do you see this being solved? What should Israel do, to bring this to a humane resolution?
Pretty sure a shitload more Gazans are filled with genocidal rage towards Israelis than there were two years ago, so that’s worked out well.
Well quite. It's getting worse. If I was a young Gazan, I would be filled with anti-Semitic hatred and I would want to slaughter every Jew I could find. Anywhere on earth. And I would be filled with righteous anger, too, not ashamed of my blood-lust
Where does that get us?
There is no coming back from the levels of hatred now evidenced - on both sides - in this tedious tedious 80 year old conflict
So what is the solution? The two state answer is over. It's done. It's never coming back. Israel will not tolerate Palestinians living nearby. Meanwhile Palestinians are filled with - entirely justifiable - anti-Semitic rage
The only solution is to pay off the Palestinians. Give them all condos in Egypt or Indonesia, anything. Give them £1m each. They are never going "home" to Palestine, the only way that happens is if Iran manages to nuke Israel, which means they can't go home because it will be an irradiated wasteland for 1000 years
I lost interest after the initial bit (minus Berry) about the police vanning in counter protestors.
He didn't grab me to be honest, and this coming from someone who had a pound on him for future leader. It's actually not a simple transition from even right-wing Tory to Reformer, in terms of tone.
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
It's horrendous. The Israelis have slaughtered more civilians in Gaza in two years than the Nazis killed in Bergen Belsen in four. And we're still listening to the tape of Richard Attenborough's heartbreaking broadcast 80 years on.
If you want a serious debate, rather than a rant - what do you honestly think the Gazans would do to Israeli Jews, given the chance?
And how do you see this being solved? What should Israel do, to bring this to a humane resolution?
Pretty sure a shitload more Gazans are filled with genocidal rage towards Israelis than there were two years ago, so that’s worked out well.
Well quite. It's getting worse. If I was a young Gazan, I would be filled with anti-Semitic hatred and I would want to slaughter every Jew I could find. Anywhere on earth. And I would be filled with righteous anger, too, not ashamed of my blood-lust
Where does that get us?
There is no coming back from the levels of hatred now evidenced - on both sides - in this tedious tedious 80 year old conflict
So what is the solution? The two state answer is over. It's done. It's never coming back. Israel will not tolerate Palestinians living nearby. Meanwhile Palestinians are filled with - entirely justifiable - anti-Semitic rage
The only solution is to pay off the Palestinians. Give them all condos in Egypt or Indonesia, anything. Give them £1m each. They are never going "home" to Palestine, the only way that happens is if Iran manages to nuke Israel, which means they can't go home because it will be an irradiated wasteland for 1000 years
Trump is right
There are almost exactly the same number of Palestinians and Israelis between the river and the sea. Why shouldn't it be the Israelis who are evicted?
Got hit by a car at work today, so I'm now in hospital with three ribs and an ankle broken
Ouch! My sympathies. One broken rib was the worst pain I've ever had. Best wishes for a speedy recovery... although it'll probably be about 8 weeks, I guess!
I had a couple of ribs cracked, my only ever cycling accident on the coast to coast, some idiot came speeding round a blind bend and hit me.
It’s not pleasant and there’s nothing the medics can do. It just has to knit back. Some stuff like reaching for something becomes wince inducing.
As for pain, the worst I’ve had was toothache.
I was in a car crash and broke a rib (and a collarbone), but the two ends of the broken rib stayed in place. About a week later, I'm at work, I twist round to pick something up and only then did the two parts of the rib separate. That hurt more than the original car crash! Every breath was painful. Staggered to A&E and collapsed on the floor.
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
Israel Palestine is the most potent geopolitical evidence for Larkin's immortal insight:
Man hands on misery to man. It deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can, And don’t have any kids yourself
As the Germans did to the Jews, so the Jews are doing to the Palestinians. With the added complication that, given the chance, we all know that many many Gazans - far too many - would do exactly the same to every Jew they could find
There is no solution other than the one proposed by - ironically - Trump. Move the Gazans away and stuff their mouths with gold
Well, firstly it's not really a solution. Because giving $5,000 a person doesn't solve the issue that there's nowhere obvious else for them to go. Unless Israel is planning on letting them go to the West Bank.
Which I'm guessing they aren't that keen on.
And which brings us to the other problem. What about the West Bank? Every day - as you know from your travels there - the Israelis take control of more of the territory, and each day they make the lives of Palestinians there a little bit worse.
At some point, the Palestinians will have been resrticted to an area, say, the size of Gaza. And will not doubt act out. As you would do in that scenario. And then are we to sanction another bit of ethnic cleansing?
I agree that $5k is nowhere near enough. But there will be a price where it might work. $50k? $500k per Palestinian? At some point it will be worth it, for the majority of them, and the host country will also have to be very very amply rewarded
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
It's horrendous. The Israelis have slaughtered more civilians in Gaza in two years than the Nazis killed in Bergen Belsen in four. And we're still listening to the tape of Richard Attenborough's heartbreaking broadcast 80 years on.
If you want a serious debate, rather than a rant - what do you honestly think the Gazans would do to Israeli Jews, given the chance?
And how do you see this being solved? What should Israel do, to bring this to a humane resolution?
Pretty sure a shitload more Gazans are filled with genocidal rage towards Israelis than there were two years ago, so that’s worked out well.
Well quite. It's getting worse. If I was a young Gazan, I would be filled with anti-Semitic hatred and I would want to slaughter every Jew I could find. Anywhere on earth. And I would be filled with righteous anger, too, not ashamed of my blood-lust
Where does that get us?
There is no coming back from the levels of hatred now evidenced - on both sides - in this tedious tedious 80 year old conflict
So what is the solution? The two state answer is over. It's done. It's never coming back. Israel will not tolerate Palestinians living nearby. Meanwhile Palestinians are filled with - entirely justifiable - anti-Semitic rage
The only solution is to pay off the Palestinians. Give them all condos in Egypt or Indonesia, anything. Give them £1m each. They are never going "home" to Palestine, the only way that happens is if Iran manages to nuke Israel, which means they can't go home because it will be an irradiated wasteland for 1000 years
Trump is right
They should give them the illegal Israeli settlements. Give the settlers places in the new Gaza.
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
It's horrendous. The Israelis have slaughtered more civilians in Gaza in two years than the Nazis killed in Bergen Belsen in four. And we're still listening to the tape of Richard Attenborough's heartbreaking broadcast 80 years on.
If you want a serious debate, rather than a rant - what do you honestly think the Gazans would do to Israeli Jews, given the chance?
And how do you see this being solved? What should Israel do, to bring this to a humane resolution?
Pretty sure a shitload more Gazans are filled with genocidal rage towards Israelis than there were two years ago, so that’s worked out well.
Well quite. It's getting worse. If I was a young Gazan, I would be filled with anti-Semitic hatred and I would want to slaughter every Jew I could find. Anywhere on earth. And I would be filled with righteous anger, too, not ashamed of my blood-lust
Where does that get us?
There is no coming back from the levels of hatred now evidenced - on both sides - in this tedious tedious 80 year old conflict
So what is the solution? The two state answer is over. It's done. It's never coming back. Israel will not tolerate Palestinians living nearby. Meanwhile Palestinians are filled with - entirely justifiable - anti-Semitic rage
The only solution is to pay off the Palestinians. Give them all condos in Egypt or Indonesia, anything. Give them £1m each. They are never going "home" to Palestine, the only way that happens is if Iran manages to nuke Israel, which means they can't go home because it will be an irradiated wasteland for 1000 years
Trump is right
There are almost exactly the same number of Palestinians and Israelis between the river and the sea. Why shouldn't it be the Israelis who are evicted?
I lost interest after the initial bit (minus Berry) about the police vanning in counter protestors.
He didn't grab me to be honest, and this coming from someone who had a pound on him for future leader. It's actually not a simple transition from even right-wing Tory to Reformer, in terms of tone.
Did you enjoy the interview? Might dip back in.
I speed-read it, didn't look like the most interesting article ever.
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
It's horrendous. The Israelis have slaughtered more civilians in Gaza in two years than the Nazis killed in Bergen Belsen in four. And we're still listening to the tape of Richard Attenborough's heartbreaking broadcast 80 years on.
If you want a serious debate, rather than a rant - what do you honestly think the Gazans would do to Israeli Jews, given the chance?
And how do you see this being solved? What should Israel do, to bring this to a humane resolution?
Pretty sure a shitload more Gazans are filled with genocidal rage towards Israelis than there were two years ago, so that’s worked out well.
Well quite. It's getting worse. If I was a young Gazan, I would be filled with anti-Semitic hatred and I would want to slaughter every Jew I could find. Anywhere on earth. And I would be filled with righteous anger, too, not ashamed of my blood-lust
Where does that get us?
There is no coming back from the levels of hatred now evidenced - on both sides - in this tedious tedious 80 year old conflict
So what is the solution? The two state answer is over. It's done. It's never coming back. Israel will not tolerate Palestinians living nearby. Meanwhile Palestinians are filled with - entirely justifiable - anti-Semitic rage
The only solution is to pay off the Palestinians. Give them all condos in Egypt or Indonesia, anything. Give them £1m each. They are never going "home" to Palestine, the only way that happens is if Iran manages to nuke Israel, which means they can't go home because it will be an irradiated wasteland for 1000 years
Trump is right
There are almost exactly the same number of Palestinians and Israelis between the river and the sea. Why shouldn't it be the Israelis who are evicted?
Got hit by a car at work today, so I'm now in hospital with three ribs and an ankle broken
Ouch! My sympathies. One broken rib was the worst pain I've ever had. Best wishes for a speedy recovery... although it'll probably be about 8 weeks, I guess!
I had a couple of ribs cracked, my only ever cycling accident on the coast to coast, some idiot came speeding round a blind bend and hit me.
It’s not pleasant and there’s nothing the medics can do. It just has to knit back. Some stuff like reaching for something becomes wince inducing.
As for pain, the worst I’ve had was toothache.
I was in a car crash and broke a rib (and a collarbone), but the two ends of the broken rib stayed in place. About a week later, I'm at work, I twist round to pick something up and only then did the two parts of the rib separate. That hurt more than the original car crash! Every breath was painful. Staggered to A&E and collapsed on the floor.
That sounds far worse than the pain I had. The ribs had cracked and were knitting back together and my occasional twist just had a sharp stab of pain but it was brief.
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
It's horrendous. The Israelis have slaughtered more civilians in Gaza in two years than the Nazis killed in Bergen Belsen in four. And we're still listening to the tape of Richard Attenborough's heartbreaking broadcast 80 years on.
If you want a serious debate, rather than a rant - what do you honestly think the Gazans would do to Israeli Jews, given the chance?
And how do you see this being solved? What should Israel do, to bring this to a humane resolution?
Pretty sure a shitload more Gazans are filled with genocidal rage towards Israelis than there were two years ago, so that’s worked out well.
Well quite. It's getting worse. If I was a young Gazan, I would be filled with anti-Semitic hatred and I would want to slaughter every Jew I could find. Anywhere on earth. And I would be filled with righteous anger, too, not ashamed of my blood-lust
Where does that get us?
There is no coming back from the levels of hatred now evidenced - on both sides - in this tedious tedious 80 year old conflict
So what is the solution? The two state answer is over. It's done. It's never coming back. Israel will not tolerate Palestinians living nearby. Meanwhile Palestinians are filled with - entirely justifiable - anti-Semitic rage
The only solution is to pay off the Palestinians. Give them all condos in Egypt or Indonesia, anything. Give them £1m each. They are never going "home" to Palestine, the only way that happens is if Iran manages to nuke Israel, which means they can't go home because it will be an irradiated wasteland for 1000 years
Trump is right
There are almost exactly the same number of Palestinians and Israelis between the river and the sea. Why shouldn't it be the Israelis who are evicted?
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
It's horrendous. The Israelis have slaughtered more civilians in Gaza in two years than the Nazis killed in Bergen Belsen in four. And we're still listening to the tape of Richard Attenborough's heartbreaking broadcast 80 years on.
If you want a serious debate, rather than a rant - what do you honestly think the Gazans would do to Israeli Jews, given the chance?
And how do you see this being solved? What should Israel do, to bring this to a humane resolution?
Pretty sure a shitload more Gazans are filled with genocidal rage towards Israelis than there were two years ago, so that’s worked out well.
Well quite. It's getting worse. If I was a young Gazan, I would be filled with anti-Semitic hatred and I would want to slaughter every Jew I could find. Anywhere on earth. And I would be filled with righteous anger, too, not ashamed of my blood-lust
Where does that get us?
There is no coming back from the levels of hatred now evidenced - on both sides - in this tedious tedious 80 year old conflict
So what is the solution? The two state answer is over. It's done. It's never coming back. Israel will not tolerate Palestinians living nearby. Meanwhile Palestinians are filled with - entirely justifiable - anti-Semitic rage
The only solution is to pay off the Palestinians. Give them all condos in Egypt or Indonesia, anything. Give them £1m each. They are never going "home" to Palestine, the only way that happens is if Iran manages to nuke Israel, which means they can't go home because it will be an irradiated wasteland for 1000 years
Trump is right
There are almost exactly the same number of Palestinians and Israelis between the river and the sea. Why shouldn't it be the Israelis who are evicted?
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
It's horrendous. The Israelis have slaughtered more civilians in Gaza in two years than the Nazis killed in Bergen Belsen in four. And we're still listening to the tape of Richard Attenborough's heartbreaking broadcast 80 years on.
If you want a serious debate, rather than a rant - what do you honestly think the Gazans would do to Israeli Jews, given the chance?
And how do you see this being solved? What should Israel do, to bring this to a humane resolution?
Pretty sure a shitload more Gazans are filled with genocidal rage towards Israelis than there were two years ago, so that’s worked out well.
Well quite. It's getting worse. If I was a young Gazan, I would be filled with anti-Semitic hatred and I would want to slaughter every Jew I could find. Anywhere on earth. And I would be filled with righteous anger, too, not ashamed of my blood-lust
Where does that get us?
There is no coming back from the levels of hatred now evidenced - on both sides - in this tedious tedious 80 year old conflict
So what is the solution? The two state answer is over. It's done. It's never coming back. Israel will not tolerate Palestinians living nearby. Meanwhile Palestinians are filled with - entirely justifiable - anti-Semitic rage
The only solution is to pay off the Palestinians. Give them all condos in Egypt or Indonesia, anything. Give them £1m each. They are never going "home" to Palestine, the only way that happens is if Iran manages to nuke Israel, which means they can't go home because it will be an irradiated wasteland for 1000 years
Trump is right
There are almost exactly the same number of Palestinians and Israelis between the river and the sea. Why shouldn't it be the Israelis who are evicted?
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
Israel Palestine is the most potent geopolitical evidence for Larkin's immortal insight:
Man hands on misery to man. It deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can, And don’t have any kids yourself
As the Germans did to the Jews, so the Jews are doing to the Palestinians. With the added complication that, given the chance, we all know that many many Gazans - far too many - would do exactly the same to every Jew they could find
There is no solution other than the one proposed by - ironically - Trump. Move the Gazans away and stuff their mouths with gold
Well, firstly it's not really a solution. Because giving $5,000 a person doesn't solve the issue that there's nowhere obvious else for them to go. Unless Israel is planning on letting them go to the West Bank.
Which I'm guessing they aren't that keen on.
And which brings us to the other problem. What about the West Bank? Every day - as you know from your travels there - the Israelis take control of more of the territory, and each day they make the lives of Palestinians there a little bit worse.
At some point, the Palestinians will have been resrticted to an area, say, the size of Gaza. And will not doubt act out. As you would do in that scenario. And then are we to sanction another bit of ethnic cleansing?
The only answer, or recourse, at this point is international isolation and sanctions, similar to the apartheid era's, on Netanyahu's government.
The Israelis don't give a fuck. They've been through an actual Holocaust. International anger and being-banned-from-rugby is not gonna cut it
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
Israel Palestine is the most potent geopolitical evidence for Larkin's immortal insight:
Man hands on misery to man. It deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can, And don’t have any kids yourself
As the Germans did to the Jews, so the Jews are doing to the Palestinians. With the added complication that, given the chance, we all know that many many Gazans - far too many - would do exactly the same to every Jew they could find
There is no solution other than the one proposed by - ironically - Trump. Move the Gazans away and stuff their mouths with gold
Well, firstly it's not really a solution. Because giving $5,000 a person doesn't solve the issue that there's nowhere obvious else for them to go. Unless Israel is planning on letting them go to the West Bank.
Which I'm guessing they aren't that keen on.
And which brings us to the other problem. What about the West Bank? Every day - as you know from your travels there - the Israelis take control of more of the territory, and each day they make the lives of Palestinians there a little bit worse.
At some point, the Palestinians will have been resrticted to an area, say, the size of Gaza. And will not doubt act out. As you would do in that scenario. And then are we to sanction another bit of ethnic cleansing?
The only answer, or recourse, at this point is international isolation and sanctions, similar to the apartheid era's, on Netanyahu's government.
The Israelis don't give a fuck. They've been through an actual Holocaust. International anger and being-banned-from-rugby is not gonna cut it
"Children could be limited to two hours per day on social media sites in a bid to break 'unhealthy' doomscrolling habits.
Peter Kyle, the Technology Secretary, said the Government was 'looking very carefully' at how to stop youngsters spending hours viewing online content.
The Cabinet minister warned that children were displaying 'compulsive behaviour' on some apps and 'need some help just to take control of their online lives'."
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
It's horrendous. The Israelis have slaughtered more civilians in Gaza in two years than the Nazis killed in Bergen Belsen in four. And we're still listening to the tape of Richard Attenborough's heartbreaking broadcast 80 years on.
If you want a serious debate, rather than a rant - what do you honestly think the Gazans would do to Israeli Jews, given the chance?
And how do you see this being solved? What should Israel do, to bring this to a humane resolution?
Pretty sure a shitload more Gazans are filled with genocidal rage towards Israelis than there were two years ago, so that’s worked out well.
Well quite. It's getting worse. If I was a young Gazan, I would be filled with anti-Semitic hatred and I would want to slaughter every Jew I could find. Anywhere on earth. And I would be filled with righteous anger, too, not ashamed of my blood-lust
Where does that get us?
There is no coming back from the levels of hatred now evidenced - on both sides - in this tedious tedious 80 year old conflict
So what is the solution? The two state answer is over. It's done. It's never coming back. Israel will not tolerate Palestinians living nearby. Meanwhile Palestinians are filled with - entirely justifiable - anti-Semitic rage
The only solution is to pay off the Palestinians. Give them all condos in Egypt or Indonesia, anything. Give them £1m each. They are never going "home" to Palestine, the only way that happens is if Iran manages to nuke Israel, which means they can't go home because it will be an irradiated wasteland for 1000 years
Trump is right
There are almost exactly the same number of Palestinians and Israelis between the river and the sea. Why shouldn't it be the Israelis who are evicted?
Because they have nukes. Basically
"The only solution is to pay off the Palestinians. Give them all condos in Egypt or Indonesia, anything. Give them £1m each."
Human nature means that would not work. The attachment to history, to land, to soil, to myths and legends of a nation are far stronger than Trump's $.
Would your extended family all agree to leave Cornwall and move to Albania in exchange for $1m?
I notice almost no-one so desperately concerned about the plight of the Palestinians has urged Egypt to open the border.
Funny that.
We would be interested to know what figures the world-renowned experts at the Frank Booth Foundation have for the true number of Palestinian casualties.
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
It's horrendous. The Israelis have slaughtered more civilians in Gaza in two years than the Nazis killed in Bergen Belsen in four. And we're still listening to the tape of Richard Attenborough's heartbreaking broadcast 80 years on.
If you want a serious debate, rather than a rant - what do you honestly think the Gazans would do to Israeli Jews, given the chance?
And how do you see this being solved? What should Israel do, to bring this to a humane resolution?
Pretty sure a shitload more Gazans are filled with genocidal rage towards Israelis than there were two years ago, so that’s worked out well.
Well quite. It's getting worse. If I was a young Gazan, I would be filled with anti-Semitic hatred and I would want to slaughter every Jew I could find. Anywhere on earth. And I would be filled with righteous anger, too, not ashamed of my blood-lust
Where does that get us?
There is no coming back from the levels of hatred now evidenced - on both sides - in this tedious tedious 80 year old conflict
So what is the solution? The two state answer is over. It's done. It's never coming back. Israel will not tolerate Palestinians living nearby. Meanwhile Palestinians are filled with - entirely justifiable - anti-Semitic rage
The only solution is to pay off the Palestinians. Give them all condos in Egypt or Indonesia, anything. Give them £1m each. They are never going "home" to Palestine, the only way that happens is if Iran manages to nuke Israel, which means they can't go home because it will be an irradiated wasteland for 1000 years
Trump is right
There are almost exactly the same number of Palestinians and Israelis between the river and the sea. Why shouldn't it be the Israelis who are evicted?
Because they have nukes. Basically
"The only solution is to pay off the Palestinians. Give them all condos in Egypt or Indonesia, anything. Give them £1m each."
Human nature means that would not work. The attachment to history, to land, to soil, to myths and legends of a nation are far stronger than Trump's $.
Would your extended family all agree to leave Cornwall and move to Albania in exchange for $1m?
Each? Yes, probably
Especially if Cornwall was a diseased toilet turned into a concentration camp, with no long term future of any change, just more of the same
"Children could be limited to two hours per day on social media sites in a bid to break 'unhealthy' doomscrolling habits.
Peter Kyle, the Technology Secretary, said the Government was 'looking very carefully' at how to stop youngsters spending hours viewing online content.
The Cabinet minister warned that children were displaying 'compulsive behaviour' on some apps and 'need some help just to take control of their online lives'."
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
It's horrendous. The Israelis have slaughtered more civilians in Gaza in two years than the Nazis killed in Bergen Belsen in four. And we're still listening to the tape of Richard Attenborough's heartbreaking broadcast 80 years on.
If you want a serious debate, rather than a rant - what do you honestly think the Gazans would do to Israeli Jews, given the chance?
And how do you see this being solved? What should Israel do, to bring this to a humane resolution?
Pretty sure a shitload more Gazans are filled with genocidal rage towards Israelis than there were two years ago, so that’s worked out well.
Well quite. It's getting worse. If I was a young Gazan, I would be filled with anti-Semitic hatred and I would want to slaughter every Jew I could find. Anywhere on earth. And I would be filled with righteous anger, too, not ashamed of my blood-lust
Where does that get us?
There is no coming back from the levels of hatred now evidenced - on both sides - in this tedious tedious 80 year old conflict
So what is the solution? The two state answer is over. It's done. It's never coming back. Israel will not tolerate Palestinians living nearby. Meanwhile Palestinians are filled with - entirely justifiable - anti-Semitic rage
The only solution is to pay off the Palestinians. Give them all condos in Egypt or Indonesia, anything. Give them £1m each. They are never going "home" to Palestine, the only way that happens is if Iran manages to nuke Israel, which means they can't go home because it will be an irradiated wasteland for 1000 years
Trump is right
There are almost exactly the same number of Palestinians and Israelis between the river and the sea. Why shouldn't it be the Israelis who are evicted?
Because they have nukes. Basically
"The only solution is to pay off the Palestinians. Give them all condos in Egypt or Indonesia, anything. Give them £1m each."
Human nature means that would not work. The attachment to history, to land, to soil, to myths and legends of a nation are far stronger than Trump's $.
Would your extended family all agree to leave Cornwall and move to Albania in exchange for $1m?
Each? Yes, probably
Especially if Cornwall was a diseased toilet turned into a concentration camp, with no long term future of any change, just more of the same
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
Israel Palestine is the most potent geopolitical evidence for Larkin's immortal insight:
Man hands on misery to man. It deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can, And don’t have any kids yourself
As the Germans did to the Jews, so the Jews are doing to the Palestinians. With the added complication that, given the chance, we all know that many many Gazans - far too many - would do exactly the same to every Jew they could find
There is no solution other than the one proposed by - ironically - Trump. Move the Gazans away and stuff their mouths with gold
Well, firstly it's not really a solution. Because giving $5,000 a person doesn't solve the issue that there's nowhere obvious else for them to go. Unless Israel is planning on letting them go to the West Bank.
Which I'm guessing they aren't that keen on.
And which brings us to the other problem. What about the West Bank? Every day - as you know from your travels there - the Israelis take control of more of the territory, and each day they make the lives of Palestinians there a little bit worse.
At some point, the Palestinians will have been resrticted to an area, say, the size of Gaza. And will not doubt act out. As you would do in that scenario. And then are we to sanction another bit of ethnic cleansing?
The only answer, or recourse, at this point is international isolation and sanctions, similar to the apartheid era's, on Netanyahu's government.
The Israelis don't give a fuck. They've been through an actual Holocaust. International anger and being-banned-from-rugby is not gonna cut it
That depends on how extensive the sanctions and international trade isolation would be.
"Cleverly refuses to endorse Badenoch’s stance on ECHR The Tory leader said last month she was ‘increasingly of the view that we will need to leave’ the treaty" (£)
I notice almost no-one so desperately concerned about the plight of the Palestinians has urged Egypt to open the border.
Funny that.
We would be interested to know what figures the world-renowned experts at the Frank Booth Foundation have for the true number of Palestinian casualties.
I don't have any. But I have linked to data that comes from Hamas' own reporting. Are you unhappy with that?
Before the Eichmann trial, it's rarely remembered now that the Israeli Right was not actually greatly proud of Holocaust survivors. Ben-Gurion considered them weaklings.
Interesting reading. Even now only 50% of Israelis think a 2 state solution impossible.
If only there'd been a party on the other side interested in a two state solution. Of course that wouldn't have satisfied their enablers in the Soviet Union, Tehran and Doha of course.
"Cleverly refuses to endorse Badenoch’s stance on ECHR The Tory leader said last month she was ‘increasingly of the view that we will need to leave’ the treaty" (£)
Did they come for him at 3AM, like the NKVD from the Lubyanka?
The mod policy here is interesting, considering Cyclefree made a libellous claim about Beth Upton in the previous thread and got a free pass.
Is there a PB superinjunction about merely discussing the fact a ban exists? Or why?
Quite bizarre
I think it would be useful if a post were stickied in PB on mod policy and what is and isn't allowed to be said.
I'm hugely in favour of free speech which is why I have no issue with most of the comments posted here even when I disagree with them, though if I were Dr Upton I would probs consider legal action on the allegations made in the previous thread.
Williamglenn is at best a provocateur and at worst an asshole and russian troll, but we probably deserve to know what he said and why he was banned for saying it.
We know that rooming bangs aren't something we're allowed to discuss here, but what else gets the ban hammer (when libel doesn't?). A clear list of rules and 'do not cross' lines would be useful (especially for new commentators, who may not be familiar with edicts issued in threads months ago).
It's a very good idea, as the number of Banning Offences is growing. the other day @TSE made - I think - a joking remark that linking to the Spectator is a bannable offence. I presume it was a gag, but it might not be
Ditto the new rules on swearing at others, the unmentionable subjects, and so forth...
The site can only function with rules, and the mods are entitled to impose rules as they see fit. We all accept that. But commenters can only function if they KNOW the rules
So, I don't know why @williamglenn is no longer able to post, but it is worth remembering that 90% of bans are no such thing: most are 24 or 48 hour time outs after someone has overstepped a line.
He started channelling the language of the far right with calls for self deportations of British citizens born outside the UK, something a few PBers called him out on.
He was a few posts away talking about remigration.
Last time I spoke to your Dad he didn’t want that kind of post to go unpunished.
So he came out with political opinions you don't like. That's it?
I have a new concept for you.
Sit down. Get ready. Brace. Put a mouth guard in. This may hurt.
Some ideas are unacceptable to decent people. Even when they are just ideas.
So who are the "decent people". Who defines them? What is decent? I have a strange idea that you will be one of THE DECENT and those who you disagree with, not
It is lucky there is a ban against foul language because I would now submit you to a finely crafted fusillade of the same. As it is I shall restrict myself to noting that you are morally repulsive
Since you seem to have a low IQ, I’ll spell it out for you.
OGH = Our Gracious Host
This is his place. His definition of decent. @TheScreamingEagles is his emissary, enforcing his edicts.
If you want to say things that OGH doesn’t like, you do it elsewhere.
His house, his rules.
Christ, can this site get any more pompous? The odour of the self righteous centrist dad is pungent, tonight
You're the one being pompous. Making out that a poster getting 'banned' from PB for a couple of days is some sort of moral atrocity. The free-thinking outlaw renegades being censored by a stultifying middlebrow centrist blob. It's the most utter self-regarding preeny precious tosh.
Once, just once, say something interesting. Or funny. Or clever. Or witty. Just once?
Somewhere in that desolate pit of nullity that is your golfing non-soul, there must be ONE comment worth making
Quite content with that one for now.
I find it remarkable that @Leon feels it acceptable to be personally offensive to several posters who don't share his rather unusual edgy brand of unpleasant politics.
What I find even more remarkable is whenever I have challenged @Leon for some of his very peculiar social and political opinions I get duffed up by his fanbois.
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
Israel Palestine is the most potent geopolitical evidence for Larkin's immortal insight:
Man hands on misery to man. It deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can, And don’t have any kids yourself
As the Germans did to the Jews, so the Jews are doing to the Palestinians. With the added complication that, given the chance, we all know that many many Gazans - far too many - would do exactly the same to every Jew they could find
There is no solution other than the one proposed by - ironically - Trump. Move the Gazans away and stuff their mouths with gold
Well, firstly it's not really a solution. Because giving $5,000 a person doesn't solve the issue that there's nowhere obvious else for them to go. Unless Israel is planning on letting them go to the West Bank.
Which I'm guessing they aren't that keen on.
And which brings us to the other problem. What about the West Bank? Every day - as you know from your travels there - the Israelis take control of more of the territory, and each day they make the lives of Palestinians there a little bit worse.
At some point, the Palestinians will have been resrticted to an area, say, the size of Gaza. And will not doubt act out. As you would do in that scenario. And then are we to sanction another bit of ethnic cleansing?
The only answer, or recourse, at this point is international isolation and sanctions, similar to the apartheid era's, on Netanyahu's government.
The Israelis don't give a fuck. They've been through an actual Holocaust. International anger and being-banned-from-rugby is not gonna cut it
Did they come for him at 3AM, like the NKVD from the Lubyanka?
The mod policy here is interesting, considering Cyclefree made a libellous claim about Beth Upton in the previous thread and got a free pass.
Is there a PB superinjunction about merely discussing the fact a ban exists? Or why?
Quite bizarre
I think it would be useful if a post were stickied in PB on mod policy and what is and isn't allowed to be said.
I'm hugely in favour of free speech which is why I have no issue with most of the comments posted here even when I disagree with them, though if I were Dr Upton I would probs consider legal action on the allegations made in the previous thread.
Williamglenn is at best a provocateur and at worst an asshole and russian troll, but we probably deserve to know what he said and why he was banned for saying it.
We know that rooming bangs aren't something we're allowed to discuss here, but what else gets the ban hammer (when libel doesn't?). A clear list of rules and 'do not cross' lines would be useful (especially for new commentators, who may not be familiar with edicts issued in threads months ago).
It's a very good idea, as the number of Banning Offences is growing. the other day @TSE made - I think - a joking remark that linking to the Spectator is a bannable offence. I presume it was a gag, but it might not be
Ditto the new rules on swearing at others, the unmentionable subjects, and so forth...
The site can only function with rules, and the mods are entitled to impose rules as they see fit. We all accept that. But commenters can only function if they KNOW the rules
So, I don't know why @williamglenn is no longer able to post, but it is worth remembering that 90% of bans are no such thing: most are 24 or 48 hour time outs after someone has overstepped a line.
He started channelling the language of the far right with calls for self deportations of British citizens born outside the UK, something a few PBers called him out on.
He was a few posts away talking about remigration.
Last time I spoke to your Dad he didn’t want that kind of post to go unpunished.
So he came out with political opinions you don't like. That's it?
I have a new concept for you.
Sit down. Get ready. Brace. Put a mouth guard in. This may hurt.
Some ideas are unacceptable to decent people. Even when they are just ideas.
So who are the "decent people". Who defines them? What is decent? I have a strange idea that you will be one of THE DECENT and those who you disagree with, not
It is lucky there is a ban against foul language because I would now submit you to a finely crafted fusillade of the same. As it is I shall restrict myself to noting that you are morally repulsive
Since you seem to have a low IQ, I’ll spell it out for you.
OGH = Our Gracious Host
This is his place. His definition of decent. @TheScreamingEagles is his emissary, enforcing his edicts.
If you want to say things that OGH doesn’t like, you do it elsewhere.
His house, his rules.
Christ, can this site get any more pompous? The odour of the self righteous centrist dad is pungent, tonight
You're the one being pompous. Making out that a poster getting 'banned' from PB for a couple of days is some sort of moral atrocity. The free-thinking outlaw renegades being censored by a stultifying middlebrow centrist blob. It's the most utter self-regarding preeny precious tosh.
Once, just once, say something interesting. Or funny. Or clever. Or witty. Just once?
Somewhere in that desolate pit of nullity that is your golfing non-soul, there must be ONE comment worth making
Quite content with that one for now.
I find it remarkable that @Leon feels it acceptable to be personally offensive to several posters who don't share his rather unusual edgy brand of unpleasant politics.
What I find even more remarkable is whenever I have challenged @Leon for some of his very peculiar social and political opinions I get duffed up by his fanbois.
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
Israel Palestine is the most potent geopolitical evidence for Larkin's immortal insight:
Man hands on misery to man. It deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can, And don’t have any kids yourself
As the Germans did to the Jews, so the Jews are doing to the Palestinians. With the added complication that, given the chance, we all know that many many Gazans - far too many - would do exactly the same to every Jew they could find
There is no solution other than the one proposed by - ironically - Trump. Move the Gazans away and stuff their mouths with gold
Well, firstly it's not really a solution. Because giving $5,000 a person doesn't solve the issue that there's nowhere obvious else for them to go. Unless Israel is planning on letting them go to the West Bank.
Which I'm guessing they aren't that keen on.
And which brings us to the other problem. What about the West Bank? Every day - as you know from your travels there - the Israelis take control of more of the territory, and each day they make the lives of Palestinians there a little bit worse.
At some point, the Palestinians will have been resrticted to an area, say, the size of Gaza. And will not doubt act out. As you would do in that scenario. And then are we to sanction another bit of ethnic cleansing?
The only answer, or recourse, at this point is international isolation and sanctions, similar to the apartheid era's, on Netanyahu's government.
The Israelis don't give a fuck. They've been through an actual Holocaust. International anger and being-banned-from-rugby is not gonna cut it
Less than 1% holocaust survivors in Israel
There's more holocaust victims in Gaza than survivors in Israel.
Trump BUSTED Lying on Video: In a shocking reveal, Trump denied on July 15 that he was told his name appears in the Epstein files. The Wall Street Journal just revealed in that he was informed by the DOJ in May.
Trump BUSTED Lying on Video: In a shocking reveal, Trump denied on July 15 that he was told his name appears in the Epstein files. The Wall Street Journal just revealed in that he was informed by the DOJ in May.
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
Israel Palestine is the most potent geopolitical evidence for Larkin's immortal insight:
Man hands on misery to man. It deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can, And don’t have any kids yourself
As the Germans did to the Jews, so the Jews are doing to the Palestinians. With the added complication that, given the chance, we all know that many many Gazans - far too many - would do exactly the same to every Jew they could find
There is no solution other than the one proposed by - ironically - Trump. Move the Gazans away and stuff their mouths with gold
Well, firstly it's not really a solution. Because giving $5,000 a person doesn't solve the issue that there's nowhere obvious else for them to go. Unless Israel is planning on letting them go to the West Bank.
Which I'm guessing they aren't that keen on.
And which brings us to the other problem. What about the West Bank? Every day - as you know from your travels there - the Israelis take control of more of the territory, and each day they make the lives of Palestinians there a little bit worse.
At some point, the Palestinians will have been resrticted to an area, say, the size of Gaza. And will not doubt act out. As you would do in that scenario. And then are we to sanction another bit of ethnic cleansing?
The only answer, or recourse, at this point is international isolation and sanctions, similar to the apartheid era's, on Netanyahu's government.
The Israelis don't give a fuck. They've been through an actual Holocaust. International anger and being-banned-from-rugby is not gonna cut it
Less than 1% holocaust survivors in Israel
There's more holocaust victims in Gaza than survivors in Israel.
That's true. Extraordinary. Look at the rest of the photographic sequence posted by DavidL. Thery're on BBC News. Up there with the Vietnamese nepalm photo of the burning girl. Starvation pictures of children are particularly penetrating.
The Lincoln Project @ProjectLincoln · 1h So let me get this straight - @dbongino@PamBondi and Kash Patel are all working for a guy in the Epstein files after they made it their entire mission to expose the corruption and the list.
BREAKING: Oversight Democrats just passed a motion in subcommittee to subpoena the DOJ to release the Epstein files. Total vote was 8-2 in favor (all Democrats voted in favor, 3 Rs for and 2 Rs against)
Did they come for him at 3AM, like the NKVD from the Lubyanka?
The mod policy here is interesting, considering Cyclefree made a libellous claim about Beth Upton in the previous thread and got a free pass.
Is there a PB superinjunction about merely discussing the fact a ban exists? Or why?
Quite bizarre
I think it would be useful if a post were stickied in PB on mod policy and what is and isn't allowed to be said.
I'm hugely in favour of free speech which is why I have no issue with most of the comments posted here even when I disagree with them, though if I were Dr Upton I would probs consider legal action on the allegations made in the previous thread.
Williamglenn is at best a provocateur and at worst an asshole and russian troll, but we probably deserve to know what he said and why he was banned for saying it.
We know that rooming bangs aren't something we're allowed to discuss here, but what else gets the ban hammer (when libel doesn't?). A clear list of rules and 'do not cross' lines would be useful (especially for new commentators, who may not be familiar with edicts issued in threads months ago).
It's a very good idea, as the number of Banning Offences is growing. the other day @TSE made - I think - a joking remark that linking to the Spectator is a bannable offence. I presume it was a gag, but it might not be
Ditto the new rules on swearing at others, the unmentionable subjects, and so forth...
The site can only function with rules, and the mods are entitled to impose rules as they see fit. We all accept that. But commenters can only function if they KNOW the rules
So, I don't know why @williamglenn is no longer able to post, but it is worth remembering that 90% of bans are no such thing: most are 24 or 48 hour time outs after someone has overstepped a line.
He started channelling the language of the far right with calls for self deportations of British citizens born outside the UK, something a few PBers called him out on.
He was a few posts away talking about remigration.
Last time I spoke to your Dad he didn’t want that kind of post to go unpunished.
So he came out with political opinions you don't like. That's it?
I have a new concept for you.
Sit down. Get ready. Brace. Put a mouth guard in. This may hurt.
Some ideas are unacceptable to decent people. Even when they are just ideas.
So who are the "decent people". Who defines them? What is decent? I have a strange idea that you will be one of THE DECENT and those who you disagree with, not
It is lucky there is a ban against foul language because I would now submit you to a finely crafted fusillade of the same. As it is I shall restrict myself to noting that you are morally repulsive
Since you seem to have a low IQ, I’ll spell it out for you.
OGH = Our Gracious Host
This is his place. His definition of decent. @TheScreamingEagles is his emissary, enforcing his edicts.
If you want to say things that OGH doesn’t like, you do it elsewhere.
His house, his rules.
Christ, can this site get any more pompous? The odour of the self righteous centrist dad is pungent, tonight
You're the one being pompous. Making out that a poster getting 'banned' from PB for a couple of days is some sort of moral atrocity. The free-thinking outlaw renegades being censored by a stultifying middlebrow centrist blob. It's the most utter self-regarding preeny precious tosh.
Once, just once, say something interesting. Or funny. Or clever. Or witty. Just once?
Somewhere in that desolate pit of nullity that is your golfing non-soul, there must be ONE comment worth making
Quite content with that one for now.
I can imagine. Like a desperately constipated gnu excreting a mackerel's eye. You tried to be funny, or biting, and you failed, but at least you got something out
I might call for public ownership of the utilities next.
Anyway I see you're being very interesting by saying Donald Trump's 'plan' to turn Gaza into a resort complex for international holidaymakers is the way to resolve the Israel Palestine conflict rather than bland vanilla stuff like using US leverage to pressure Israel to stop massacring Palestinians and recognise their statehood and sovereignty over a suitable territory in the region.
For a moment there, I saw a glimmer of hope for the US.
Then I saw this poll.
Jul 23 poll of 2,243 U.S. adults (+/-2.9%) % who think Adam Sandler is very or somewhat funny | not very or not at all funny U.S. adults: 71% | 22% 18-29: 67% | 19% 30-44: 78% | 15% 45-64: 72% | 23% 65+: 64% | 30% https://x.com/YouGovAmerica/status/1948111924794667051
I notice almost no-one so desperately concerned about the plight of the Palestinians has urged Egypt to open the border.
Funny that.
I know you have said you don't know any Jews or any Arabs. But do you actually think Egyptians and Palestinians are one and the same.? Are they just 'darkies'?
Interesting reading. Even now only 50% of Israelis think a 2 state solution impossible.
If only there'd been a party on the other side interested in a two state solution. Of course that wouldn't have satisfied their enablers in the Soviet Union, Tehran and Doha of course.
There was. It was Israel who scuppered it. Bear in mind Netenyahu actively supported Hamas against the Palestinian Authority because he didn't want a moderate Palestinian leadership in place. He boasted about ensuring Hamas got money and suppplies to make sure they were the dominant force.
BREAKING: Oversight Democrats just passed a motion in subcommittee to subpoena the DOJ to release the Epstein files. Total vote was 8-2 in favor (all Democrats voted in favor, 3 Rs for and 2 Rs against)
I think we're at the point where we need to put in place comprehensive sanctions on Israel.
I gave them the benefit of the doubt initially after a October 7th, but they are now clearly much closer to the 'genocide' end of the spectrum than they are the 'legitimate self defence' end.
It won't make any difference but we and like-minded countries should do it anyway.
"Cleverly refuses to endorse Badenoch’s stance on ECHR The Tory leader said last month she was ‘increasingly of the view that we will need to leave’ the treaty" (£)
BREAKING: Oversight Democrats just passed a motion in subcommittee to subpoena the DOJ to release the Epstein files. Total vote was 8-2 in favor (all Democrats voted in favor, 3 Rs for and 2 Rs against)
BREAKING: Oversight Democrats just passed a motion in subcommittee to subpoena the DOJ to release the Epstein files. Total vote was 8-2 in favor (all Democrats voted in favor, 3 Rs for and 2 Rs against)
I notice almost no-one so desperately concerned about the plight of the Palestinians has urged Egypt to open the border.
Funny that.
Egypt are aligned with Turkey who are opposed to Iran, my feeling is that Iran and Turkey are the meaningful poles in the ME. I can see Turkey rolling over the top of Northern Iraq and Northern Syria and they already have military actions there, both of those are only countries on paper, not reality.
BREAKING: Oversight Democrats just passed a motion in subcommittee to subpoena the DOJ to release the Epstein files. Total vote was 8-2 in favor (all Democrats voted in favor, 3 Rs for and 2 Rs against)
Given that he used the term "cadet branch" when describing his family tree and put a link to his father's obituary in the papers and showed pictures of one of his (ancestor's?) homes, he was possibly the most upper-class poster the site's ever had. But I think not the richest.
And more pertinently why not when they were in government?
She's always saying 'i was trained as a software engineer' and 'project management' etc etc.
So why not just say - we failed to do this in government because of X and Y and Z and so logically these are the things I will sort?
Until she can explain, or indeed Farage can explain, how they will make the Home Office fit for purpose on its current funding then they should shut the f up.
I notice almost no-one so desperately concerned about the plight of the Palestinians has urged Egypt to open the border.
Funny that.
Egypt are aligned with Turkey who are opposed to Iran, my feeling is that Iran and Turkey are the meaningful poles in the ME. I can see Turkey rolling over the top of Northern Iraq and Northern Syria and they already have military actions there, both of those are only countries on paper, not reality.
Lovely country you've got there. Shame if something.... 'appened to it.
This is the holocaust all over again. This time done by Jews.
Oh, but you who philosophize, disgrace and criticize all fears Bury the rag deep in your face for now's the time for your tears
Israel Palestine is the most potent geopolitical evidence for Larkin's immortal insight:
Man hands on misery to man. It deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can, And don’t have any kids yourself
As the Germans did to the Jews, so the Jews are doing to the Palestinians. With the added complication that, given the chance, we all know that many many Gazans - far too many - would do exactly the same to every Jew they could find
There is no solution other than the one proposed by - ironically - Trump. Move the Gazans away and stuff their mouths with gold
Well, firstly it's not really a solution. Because giving $5,000 a person doesn't solve the issue that there's nowhere obvious else for them to go. Unless Israel is planning on letting them go to the West Bank.
Which I'm guessing they aren't that keen on.
And which brings us to the other problem. What about the West Bank? Every day - as you know from your travels there - the Israelis take control of more of the territory, and each day they make the lives of Palestinians there a little bit worse.
At some point, the Palestinians will have been resrticted to an area, say, the size of Gaza. And will not doubt act out. As you would do in that scenario. And then are we to sanction another bit of ethnic cleansing?
I agree that $5k is nowhere near enough. But there will be a price where it might work. $50k? $500k per Palestinian? At some point it will be worth it, for the majority of them, and the host country will also have to be very very amply rewarded
So you are advocating ethnic cleansing, but with a token to a modestly generous bounty. Who pays the half a million buck x 10 million people? Have you thought this through sober?
Darren Grimes @darrengrimes_ · 50m By the way, the same people slagging off a 19-year-old council leader are the same ones saying 16-year-olds ought to vote! 🤷🏻♂️
BREAKING: Oversight Democrats just passed a motion in subcommittee to subpoena the DOJ to release the Epstein files. Total vote was 8-2 in favor (all Democrats voted in favor, 3 Rs for and 2 Rs against)
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Best wishes.
It may not appear so now, but you've probably got away lightly.
Look after yourself. All the best.
There may not be a solution. There may not be a resolution. That doesn't make mass starvation okay.
I'm pro free speech and anti boo hoo let's get the lawyers in, so you'll have none of that from me. But I do think it would be useful to have a codified set of pb rules against which the banhammer is applied, the rules should be regularly updated and easily accessible so that a newcomer to the site understands them.
The rules should be consistent, accessible and universal. Otherwise it's just 'mod's choice'.
We now of course have an attempt to come up with a definition of Islamophobia. I think we all know what its purpose is.
Former Tory chairman says Kemi Badenoch is ‘toast’ and weighs in on unrest in Epping" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/23/the-daily-t-tory-reform-defector-jake-berry-badenoch-farage
Which I'm guessing they aren't that keen on.
And which brings us to the other problem. What about the West Bank? Every day - as you know from your travels there - the Israelis take control of more of the territory, and each day they make the lives of Palestinians there a little bit worse.
At some point, the Palestinians will have been resrticted to an area, say, the size of Gaza. And will not doubt act out. As you would do in that scenario. And then are we to sanction another bit of ethnic cleansing?
"Former Tory MP expelled by party after ‘serious complaints’
Tom Hunt, Ipswich MP from 2019-24, tells The Telegraph: ‘I am deeply disappointed by this provisional decision’" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/07/21/former-tory-mp-tom-hunt-expelled-by-party-after-complaints
I think seeking solutions to the bigger problem at this stage is a fool's game, if it serves as any distraction at all from solving the immediate problem of forcing Israel and Egypt to let aid in so that fewer innocent people starve.
Where does that get us?
There is no coming back from the levels of hatred now evidenced - on both sides - in this tedious tedious 80 year old conflict
So what is the solution? The two state answer is over. It's done. It's never coming back. Israel will not tolerate Palestinians living nearby. Meanwhile Palestinians are filled with - entirely justifiable - anti-Semitic rage
The only solution is to pay off the Palestinians. Give them all condos in Egypt or Indonesia, anything. Give them £1m each. They are never going "home" to Palestine, the only way that happens is if Iran manages to nuke Israel, which means they can't go home because it will be an irradiated wasteland for 1000 years
Trump is right
He didn't grab me to be honest, and this coming from someone who had a pound on him for future leader. It's actually not a simple transition from even right-wing Tory to Reformer, in terms of tone.
Did you enjoy the interview? Might dip back in.
Just shows how frail the human body can be.
Funny that.
Peter Kyle, the Technology Secretary, said the Government was 'looking very carefully' at how to stop youngsters spending hours viewing online content.
The Cabinet minister warned that children were displaying 'compulsive behaviour' on some apps and 'need some help just to take control of their online lives'."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14932057/Under-16s-limited-two-hours-day-social-media-sites-break-unhealthy-doomscrolling-habits-says-Cabinet-minister.html
Human nature means that would not work. The attachment to history, to land, to soil, to myths and legends of a nation are far stronger than Trump's $.
Would your extended family all agree to leave Cornwall and move to Albania in exchange for $1m?
Especially if Cornwall was a diseased toilet turned into a concentration camp, with no long term future of any change, just more of the same
Saying you are going to arrest him isn't going help with Trump's dire ratings me thinks.
The Tory leader said last month she was ‘increasingly of the view that we will need to leave’ the treaty" (£)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/07/23/cleverly-refuses-to-endorse-badenoch-ehcr-stance
Spencer Hakimian
@SpencerHakimian
Question: Does Trump support federal agencies contracting with Elon Musk's AI company?
Leavitt: No.
A tip for Donald Trump. "Don't f*** with Rupert Murdoch".
What I find even more remarkable is whenever I have challenged @Leon for some of his very peculiar social and political opinions I get duffed up by his fanbois.
It will be a tough match on Sunday.
Trump BUSTED Lying on Video: In a shocking reveal, Trump denied on July 15 that he was told his name appears in the Epstein files. The Wall Street Journal just revealed in that he was informed by the DOJ in May.
https://x.com/ReallyAmerican1/status/1948111027624640897
Kemi Badenoch
@KemiBadenoch
Conservatives will deport any asylum seeker who commits a crime. No ifs, no buts.
https://x.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1948097720851607956
How?
https://x.com/nedprice/status/1948120252111630646
@ProjectLincoln
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1h
So let me get this straight - @dbongino @PamBondi and Kash Patel are all working for a guy in the Epstein files after they made it their entire mission to expose the corruption and the list.
https://x.com/ProjectLincoln
The Lionesses will face Spain in the Women's Euro final on Sunday.
🏴 - 15/8
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BREAKING: Oversight Democrats just passed a motion in subcommittee to subpoena the DOJ to release the Epstein files. Total vote was 8-2 in favor (all Democrats voted in favor, 3 Rs for and 2 Rs against)
https://bsky.app/profile/briantylercohen.bsky.social/post/3lunx7hwpk22l
Anyway I see you're being very interesting by saying Donald Trump's 'plan' to turn Gaza into a resort complex for international holidaymakers is the way to resolve the Israel Palestine conflict rather than bland vanilla stuff like using US leverage to pressure Israel to stop massacring Palestinians and recognise their statehood and sovereignty over a suitable territory in the region.
For a moment there, I saw a glimmer of hope for the US.
Then I saw this poll.
Jul 23 poll of 2,243 U.S. adults (+/-2.9%)
% who think Adam Sandler is very or somewhat funny | not very or not at all funny
U.S. adults: 71% | 22%
18-29: 67% | 19%
30-44: 78% | 15%
45-64: 72% | 23%
65+: 64% | 30%
https://x.com/YouGovAmerica/status/1948111924794667051
I gave them the benefit of the doubt initially after a October 7th, but they are now clearly much closer to the 'genocide' end of the spectrum than they are the 'legitimate self defence' end.
It won't make any difference but we and like-minded countries should do it anyway.
Whatever the fuck next?
So why not just say - we failed to do this in government because of X and Y and Z and so logically these are the things I will sort?
Until she can explain, or indeed Farage can explain, how they will make the Home Office fit for purpose on its current funding then they should shut the f up.
@MailOnlineScot
🗞️Thursday's Scottish Daily Mail front page: Asylum seekers gambling away taxpayer cash
#TomorrowsPapersToday #scotpapers
👉 Read more on #MailOnline http://dailymail.co.uk/scotland"
https://x.com/MailOnlineScot/status/1948140764094947406
Darren Grimes
@darrengrimes_
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50m
By the way, the same people slagging off a 19-year-old council leader are the same ones saying 16-year-olds ought to vote! 🤷🏻♂️
Oh!
Different Johnson!