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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,850

    George Conway 👊🇺🇸🔥
    @gtconway3d
    ·
    40m
    Something is definitely about to drop. And [Trump's] terrified about it.

    https://x.com/gtconway3d/status/1945533247536206103
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,922
    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    It had most Tory, Labour and LD voters backing the super injunction and taking in Afghan refugees who had helped western forces and were at risk from the Taliban. Only Reform voters opposed

    Uni party 1 Farage 0
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,664
    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    The country is drowning in debt and the idiot Lib Dem’s want to spend more

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1945507837817303243?s=61

    It’s non sequitur competition time again?
    Oh FFS

    Soz

    Bit of a mare there. My excuse is I’m in Mallorca and slightly pissed on gin and wine

    It was supposed to be some dreary Lib Dem on GMB droning on about how awful the two child cap is.

    Can’t find the link now.
    The two child cap is awful. It has the effect of putting larger families into small rented properties with barely enough money to feed and eat. It's simply vindictive.

    But enjoy your gin and wine.
    Have smaller families then.
    Thanks for the opportunity to discuss demographics. There is a large lump of boomers who have retired like Taz or about to retire. They'll want supported by current and future taxpayers. So where are the future taxpayers to come from? Shall we continue to import them, especially the lower skilled ones for Care Homes whose contribution to Tax and GDP would be marginal. Or shall we 'grow our own'?

    This graph of UC claimants shows that 10% of the current working population is so knackered that they are not expected to seek work and will be supported by the current and future taxpayers. This is in addition to supporting the Boomer pensioners. There is a second group of UC claimants who are mostly in work but are paid so little that they have to be supported (aka subsidised workforce). They are to be supported by the same tax base. So we come to the issue of if you're actively discouraging growth in the indigenous population and you don't want to bring anyone in, and the demographics are against you, you need a miracle.

    We could reskill our workforce or improve productivity by investing but we are not doing that either. Running an economy requires someone to provide added value as we can't run the sort of deficits that the US can. So it would be in our own interests to encourage larger families, support them, educate their children and allow them to contribute to this country and even if it does mean supporting the ungrateful.


    Fine, we need more babies. But why fund the poorest to have babies by taxing the better off, who then as a result can't afford them? That approach makes no sense.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,961

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    Astonished to see people writing this story off. It’s early in a potentially long hot summer. My benchmark of cut through is whether I find out a story from someone messaging me before I’ve realised it’s happening myself. I had 30+ messages yesterday from people who are largely fairly bored and apathetic about politics.

    Wait for the gory details to have time to percolate. Sunak calling the inexplicable snap election the day after the high court judgement to cancel the super injunction is proving a major lightbulb moment for people I know. Then there’s the rumoured sexual offenders element.

    Some old guard honourable Tory types that are responding positively to that poll might feel differently when they realise that the 1100 Afghan special forces are still stuck there while a big number of the many thousands admitted in the various schemes have no obvious right to have been approved.

    We’re not looking at a single mighty fatal blow that takes down a pair of political Goliaths. But a continual series of wounds to two exhausted animals. Fascinating to see what emerges. I’ve always thought a modern Blair would be better served with a hostile takeover of the Greens than Labour, perhaps that’s next.

    The people on trial for placing bets on the date of the GE three days before it was called rather disproves the 'Sunak ran out to call a GE the next day because of the judge' theories
    Sunak would have known what way the wind was blowing in the high court based upon his own legal advice and starting making noises about a potential snap election with key staffers.

    I quite liked Sunak for what it’s worth. He eventually found a backbone and squashed an omicron lockdown (two lockdowns too late but still). I think he’s at heart probably a decent enough chap. But you’re being naively generous to him here.
    The injunction hearing is a one day affair, not a multi day bobbins.
    If his legal advice was 'it will be lifted' and he was worried, he'd have called the election before the hearing and hidden it all under purdah/court would have extended beyond the election as the parliament scrutiny could now not occur anyway.
    Im sorry but whilst there are clear questions to answer, Sunak calling the election because of the hearing the day before is barking
    That’s not how the advice would have been given to him. They’d have said: “50-50 guv”, or perhaps “it’s not looking great”. By itself that would not be cause to seek the dissolution of parliament at such a broadly catastrophic period polling wise. Once the judgement was known, he’d have panicked and gone to the king. As I say, I liked him but giving him such strong benefit of the doubt on this is a little… odd.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,922

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    What’s the Lib Dem strategy with respect to reform, especially as they don’t compete with them in general seat wise.

    They seem obsessed by them

    You have the hammer of the sub postmasters continually banging on about them.

    https://x.com/julianheather1/status/1945403813923299822?s=61

    Mark Pack posts incessantly about them

    Piss diamond twitter accounts obsess about them.

    What’s their angle ?

    They’re the most ideologically opposed to right-wing populism, they stand to gain from anti-Reform voting, and they know that both Labour and Tory are frightened of laying into reform for fear of losing their reform-curious voters.

    If, come the next GE, reform has maintained its pole position (a big if), the issue of the election could be whether British is ready to flirt with the populist right, and the LDs will be well placed to fight a vigorous campaign.

    That’s just not the case given their relative strength, with the exception of parts of Cornwall and Devon is in seats that are a desert for Reform.

    The Lib Dem’s are a southern party, the party of Waitrose and NIMBYism. They have no chance of taking seats where reform are strong in the east coast, midlands or the north.

    They have a strong presence, locally, in part of Durham but the national party doesn’t give a shit about the area. The city of Durham should be either a Lib Dem seat or competitive. Instead we have the cerebral Mary Kelly foy winning all the time
    Yes, but there are voters concerned about reform in every seat.

    Besides, more than half the struggle for the LibDems is coming up with distinctive positions that might register with the voters.
    Free money for the WASPE women, no more building locally.

    Awesome
    I got a leaflet from my local Labour councillors boasting about how they had stopped a proposed development at the end of my street. A lot of NIMBYism round my way. I'm tempted to vote for anyone who promises to NOT block development at the local elections next year.
    Labour nationally backs development though
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,441
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    A friend of mine insisted I would find it therapeutic and "fun"

    There is something in what he says. It's quite soothing to paint a radiator and watch it melt into the wall

    It helps that the whole job takes about 30 minutes, then wait for it to dry, then another 30 minutes. Bosh

    Painting an entire room would, I fancy, be less engaging
    Depends on the rooms. We did the kids rooms over the Easter break. They both got to pick a colour then on one day of consecutive weekends we did it all.

    Changing the colour of the walls is quite satisfying and relatively quick with a roller.

    Its the edging that takes much longer and more concentration.
    When you’re decorating, things like wobbly edges are intensely annoying, but once you are back living in the room you never notice or worry. At all.
    I'd like to say that's true, but it isn't

    A few years ago I did my bedroom Hague Blue, as was the fash

    Trouble is I (again) decided to do it myself for the soothing lolz, and also it was lockdown so I was bored. So I got the paint and read the guides and got to work and,,,, Wow, I did it badly. And I didn't do the ceiling. so I had fucking great Hague Blue splotches all over the ceiling, and drips of Hague Blue on my lovely wooden floor and skirting boards

    For a few days I didn't mind, then I minded, and I've minded ever since. This time I got a pro to do the whole room, ceiling included, and he was well pricey but he was good and it looks gorgeous. I can cope with just the radiator
    It’s true if you have a basic level of common sense and hand to eye co-ordination; my comment wasn’t aimed at edge cases.

    Anyhow, Hague blue is well out of fashion now, and you should be looking at Farage fuchsia…
    I'm going to ignore your uncharacteristic ad hominem, and focus on our burgeoning friendship

    I agree on Hague Blue. I told the decorator to go with his instincts and do something with the richness of Hague Blue but more fun and brighter

    He did a brilliant job. I love it. Some weird Dulux Heritage mix that he devised himself. All the woodwork is Farrow and Ball burgundy job, Precedence Red, I think, or something like that

    Tune in later for more exciting DIY updates
    OMG! Just when you think that the exclusive PB mens club could not reach the heady heights of out doing mens shed TV on the documentary channels even though they try to on an almost daily basis we are now reading about paint drying. Any ladies out there willing to help rescue this thread, anyone?!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,788
    edited July 16
    moonshine said:

    Reform splitter latest. Rael braverman has tweeted he'll explain his departure in due course and reposted a Dan Wootton post 'what does Zia Yusuf have on Nigel Farage?' Popcorntastic

    I don’t really understand the attitude that revels in wanting Farage to implode. It’s very far from obvious that the old parties will be ready to step back up. And who knows what fills the vacuum if they don’t. Farage would essentially not have looked out of place in a thatcher or major cabinet. There are far worse than him about.
    Im not a Refirm voter, therefore I have no interest in him having an easy ride so any potential Farage scandal is as juicy as a Starmer one or A Badenoch one or indeed an Ed Davey and Adrian Ramsey falling off a two man hobby horse one
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,501
    In case anyone was wondering, I know how to strangle properly because I did judo as a kid with a BJC (British Judo Council) club

    The BJA (Association) club kids were so smug because they were the official Olympic judo grouping

    We at the BJC scoffed at them because we were allowed to do armlocks and strangles as juniors, BJA could only do throws and holds

    So, yes, I know how to break your arm too
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,009
    fitalass said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    A friend of mine insisted I would find it therapeutic and "fun"

    There is something in what he says. It's quite soothing to paint a radiator and watch it melt into the wall

    It helps that the whole job takes about 30 minutes, then wait for it to dry, then another 30 minutes. Bosh

    Painting an entire room would, I fancy, be less engaging
    Depends on the rooms. We did the kids rooms over the Easter break. They both got to pick a colour then on one day of consecutive weekends we did it all.

    Changing the colour of the walls is quite satisfying and relatively quick with a roller.

    Its the edging that takes much longer and more concentration.
    When you’re decorating, things like wobbly edges are intensely annoying, but once you are back living in the room you never notice or worry. At all.
    I'd like to say that's true, but it isn't

    A few years ago I did my bedroom Hague Blue, as was the fash

    Trouble is I (again) decided to do it myself for the soothing lolz, and also it was lockdown so I was bored. So I got the paint and read the guides and got to work and,,,, Wow, I did it badly. And I didn't do the ceiling. so I had fucking great Hague Blue splotches all over the ceiling, and drips of Hague Blue on my lovely wooden floor and skirting boards

    For a few days I didn't mind, then I minded, and I've minded ever since. This time I got a pro to do the whole room, ceiling included, and he was well pricey but he was good and it looks gorgeous. I can cope with just the radiator
    It’s true if you have a basic level of common sense and hand to eye co-ordination; my comment wasn’t aimed at edge cases.

    Anyhow, Hague blue is well out of fashion now, and you should be looking at Farage fuchsia…
    I'm going to ignore your uncharacteristic ad hominem, and focus on our burgeoning friendship

    I agree on Hague Blue. I told the decorator to go with his instincts and do something with the richness of Hague Blue but more fun and brighter

    He did a brilliant job. I love it. Some weird Dulux Heritage mix that he devised himself. All the woodwork is Farrow and Ball burgundy job, Precedence Red, I think, or something like that

    Tune in later for more exciting DIY updates
    OMG! Just when you think that the exclusive PB mens club could not reach the heady heights of out doing mens shed TV on the documentary channels even though they try to on an almost daily basis we are now reading about paint drying. Any ladies out there willing to help rescue this thread, anyone?!
    I'm literally suggesting we all become tradwives, so we can dial down the testosterone
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,161

    I've got a brand new combine harvester.

    Cheap combine harvesters are better!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1tTeRhZCt0
    Anyone who has watched the real Clarkson's farm knows that Lamborghini are best

  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,009
    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    Astonished to see people writing this story off. It’s early in a potentially long hot summer. My benchmark of cut through is whether I find out a story from someone messaging me before I’ve realised it’s happening myself. I had 30+ messages yesterday from people who are largely fairly bored and apathetic about politics.

    Wait for the gory details to have time to percolate. Sunak calling the inexplicable snap election the day after the high court judgement to cancel the super injunction is proving a major lightbulb moment for people I know. Then there’s the rumoured sexual offenders element.

    Some old guard honourable Tory types that are responding positively to that poll might feel differently when they realise that the 1100 Afghan special forces are still stuck there while a big number of the many thousands admitted in the various schemes have no obvious right to have been approved.

    We’re not looking at a single mighty fatal blow that takes down a pair of political Goliaths. But a continual series of wounds to two exhausted animals. Fascinating to see what emerges. I’ve always thought a modern Blair would be better served with a hostile takeover of the Greens than Labour, perhaps that’s next.

    The people on trial for placing bets on the date of the GE three days before it was called rather disproves the 'Sunak ran out to call a GE the next day because of the judge' theories
    Sunak would have known what way the wind was blowing in the high court based upon his own legal advice and starting making noises about a potential snap election with key staffers.

    I quite liked Sunak for what it’s worth. He eventually found a backbone and squashed an omicron lockdown (two lockdowns too late but still). I think he’s at heart probably a decent enough chap. But you’re being naively generous to him here.
    The injunction hearing is a one day affair, not a multi day bobbins.
    If his legal advice was 'it will be lifted' and he was worried, he'd have called the election before the hearing and hidden it all under purdah/court would have extended beyond the election as the parliament scrutiny could now not occur anyway.
    Im sorry but whilst there are clear questions to answer, Sunak calling the election because of the hearing the day before is barking
    That’s not how the advice would have been given to him. They’d have said: “50-50 guv”, or perhaps “it’s not looking great”. By itself that would not be cause to seek the dissolution of parliament at such a broadly catastrophic period polling wise. Once the judgement was known, he’d have panicked and gone to the king. As I say, I liked him but giving him such strong benefit of the doubt on this is a little… odd.
    Big Bad Dom is certainly hinting at this scandal forcing major events, without us realising at the time
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,019
    Taz said:

    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    The country is drowning in debt and the idiot Lib Dem’s want to spend more

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1945507837817303243?s=61

    It’s non sequitur competition time again?
    Oh FFS

    Soz

    Bit of a mare there. My excuse is I’m in Mallorca and slightly pissed on gin and wine

    It was supposed to be some dreary Lib Dem on GMB droning on about how awful the two child cap is.

    Can’t find the link now.
    The two child cap is awful. It has the effect of putting larger families into small rented properties with barely enough money to feed and eat. It's simply vindictive.

    But enjoy your gin and wine.
    I’ve worked for it, I’ve earned it, I most certainly will
    Have you tried gin and tonic? It causes less aggression than gin and wine.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,113


    George Conway 👊🇺🇸🔥
    @gtconway3d
    ·
    40m
    Something is definitely about to drop. And [Trump's] terrified about it.

    https://x.com/gtconway3d/status/1945533247536206103

    If only. The man is politically and legally bulletproof.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,019
    IanB2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    This is a quite extraordinary number of fatalities for a passenger railway.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article308679915.html
    ...Brightline is the nation’s most dangerous passenger train, reporters found, killing someone every 13 days of service, on average. In addition to those deaths, 99 people have been injured. In at least 101 cases, the train crashed into vehicles, but no one was hurt.

    ...In a written statement, Michael Lefevre, Brightline’s vice president of operations, reiterated what the company has been saying for years — that the deaths were self-inflicted. “These incidents are tragic and avoidable. More than half have been confirmed or suspected suicide — intentional acts of self-harm. All have been the result of illegal, deliberate and oftentimes reckless behavior by people putting themselves in harm’s way.” Lefevre said their actions “impact our guests who count on Brightline to get them to work, the theme parks, or special events.”..


    Florida, naturally.

    Here in the UK, we are spending many, many millions getting rid of as many level crossings over our railways as possible. It is a significant negative factor in the reopening of railways (negative in terms of expense...). Looking at some of the videos from the USA, they just don't care, with some awful level crossing 'designs' that are bound to cause accidents. And many, many of them, despite fewer space constraints. This is infrastructure, not operator.

    The big question here is: "Who owns the tracks?" Trespass onto lines, and level crossing safety, is generally the responsibility of whoever runs the infrastructure, not the operator - as long as the train was running at the proper speed and according to signalling.

    There is a large anti-rail movement in the USA, and especially what they laughably call 'high speed'. Musky Baby's ludicrous Hyperloop was only envisaged in order to kill California's High Speed Rail line.
    Anyone living near a railway line has to put up with that awful clanging bell, because they can’t do level crossings properly. And despite the lack of passenger services, a lot of their lines get heavily used.
    Due to their length and speed it can take a L O N G time for an American freight train to clear a level crossing. Take a chance or wait 15 minutes?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,113
    edited July 16
    HYUFD said:

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    What’s the Lib Dem strategy with respect to reform, especially as they don’t compete with them in general seat wise.

    They seem obsessed by them

    You have the hammer of the sub postmasters continually banging on about them.

    https://x.com/julianheather1/status/1945403813923299822?s=61

    Mark Pack posts incessantly about them

    Piss diamond twitter accounts obsess about them.

    What’s their angle ?

    They’re the most ideologically opposed to right-wing populism, they stand to gain from anti-Reform voting, and they know that both Labour and Tory are frightened of laying into reform for fear of losing their reform-curious voters.

    If, come the next GE, reform has maintained its pole position (a big if), the issue of the election could be whether British is ready to flirt with the populist right, and the LDs will be well placed to fight a vigorous campaign.

    That’s just not the case given their relative strength, with the exception of parts of Cornwall and Devon is in seats that are a desert for Reform.

    The Lib Dem’s are a southern party, the party of Waitrose and NIMBYism. They have no chance of taking seats where reform are strong in the east coast, midlands or the north.

    They have a strong presence, locally, in part of Durham but the national party doesn’t give a shit about the area. The city of Durham should be either a Lib Dem seat or competitive. Instead we have the cerebral Mary Kelly foy winning all the time
    Yes, but there are voters concerned about reform in every seat.

    Besides, more than half the struggle for the LibDems is coming up with distinctive positions that might register with the voters.
    Free money for the WASPE women, no more building locally.

    Awesome
    I got a leaflet from my local Labour councillors boasting about how they had stopped a proposed development at the end of my street. A lot of NIMBYism round my way. I'm tempted to vote for anyone who promises to NOT block development at the local elections next year.
    Labour nationally backs development though
    Government's often do, in the abstract. But that's classic NIMBYism, to agree with it in principle but oppose it in practice in your own area.

    I would love to vote for a candidate who is pro development, but I've never come across one and don't feel like standing myself.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,778
    carnforth said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    It appears some PBers are things from another tax bracket the absolute proles.
    I have just been hoovering out my own car like a yokel.
    I grew my own potatoes this year. They are delicious.

    I will bring some to the next PB gathering.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,113
    edited July 16

    Reform splitter latest. Rael braverman has tweeted he'll explain his departure in due course and reposted a Dan Wootton post 'what does Zia Yusuf have on Nigel Farage?' Popcorntastic

    Why can't people just quit and explain themselves right away anymore? They have to drag it out to extend the drama cycle.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,088

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    No mate, you're smearing a pollster because you don't like the finding.
    It is hardly a smear when the question is there in black and white. Anyone can see that is an utterly leading question - I would hope regardless of their views on the situation.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,788
    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    Astonished to see people writing this story off. It’s early in a potentially long hot summer. My benchmark of cut through is whether I find out a story from someone messaging me before I’ve realised it’s happening myself. I had 30+ messages yesterday from people who are largely fairly bored and apathetic about politics.

    Wait for the gory details to have time to percolate. Sunak calling the inexplicable snap election the day after the high court judgement to cancel the super injunction is proving a major lightbulb moment for people I know. Then there’s the rumoured sexual offenders element.

    Some old guard honourable Tory types that are responding positively to that poll might feel differently when they realise that the 1100 Afghan special forces are still stuck there while a big number of the many thousands admitted in the various schemes have no obvious right to have been approved.

    We’re not looking at a single mighty fatal blow that takes down a pair of political Goliaths. But a continual series of wounds to two exhausted animals. Fascinating to see what emerges. I’ve always thought a modern Blair would be better served with a hostile takeover of the Greens than Labour, perhaps that’s next.

    The people on trial for placing bets on the date of the GE three days before it was called rather disproves the 'Sunak ran out to call a GE the next day because of the judge' theories
    Sunak would have known what way the wind was blowing in the high court based upon his own legal advice and starting making noises about a potential snap election with key staffers.

    I quite liked Sunak for what it’s worth. He eventually found a backbone and squashed an omicron lockdown (two lockdowns too late but still). I think he’s at heart probably a decent enough chap. But you’re being naively generous to him here.
    The injunction hearing is a one day affair, not a multi day bobbins.
    If his legal advice was 'it will be lifted' and he was worried, he'd have called the election before the hearing and hidden it all under purdah/court would have extended beyond the election as the parliament scrutiny could now not occur anyway.
    Im sorry but whilst there are clear questions to answer, Sunak calling the election because of the hearing the day before is barking
    That’s not how the advice would have been given to him. They’d have said: “50-50 guv”, or perhaps “it’s not looking great”. By itself that would not be cause to seek the dissolution of parliament at such a broadly catastrophic period polling wise. Once the judgement was known, he’d have panicked and gone to the king. As I say, I liked him but giving him such strong benefit of the doubt on this is a little… odd.
    Totally disagree. Time will tell
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,778
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    A friend of mine insisted I would find it therapeutic and "fun"

    There is something in what he says. It's quite soothing to paint a radiator and watch it melt into the wall

    It helps that the whole job takes about 30 minutes, then wait for it to dry, then another 30 minutes. Bosh

    Painting an entire room would, I fancy, be less engaging
    A little hint: if you can, take the radiator off the wall - ours just lift off - and check behind them. They can appear fine on the front, but have rust patches at the rear. Clean the cobwebs off and just check. From experience, more likely in bathrooms and kitchens, where steam can condense on a cold radiator.
    Taking the grille off the top and hoovering out all the long settled fluff is also very satisfying.
    It also makes the bloddy thing work better.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,019
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    A friend of mine insisted I would find it therapeutic and "fun"

    There is something in what he says. It's quite soothing to paint a radiator and watch it melt into the wall

    It helps that the whole job takes about 30 minutes, then wait for it to dry, then another 30 minutes. Bosh

    Painting an entire room would, I fancy, be less engaging
    Depends on the rooms. We did the kids rooms over the Easter break. They both got to pick a colour then on one day of consecutive weekends we did it all.

    Changing the colour of the walls is quite satisfying and relatively quick with a roller.

    Its the edging that takes much longer and more concentration.
    When you’re decorating, things like wobbly edges are intensely annoying, but once you are back living in the room you never notice or worry. At all.
    I'd like to say that's true, but it isn't

    A few years ago I did my bedroom Hague Blue, as was the fash

    Trouble is I (again) decided to do it myself for the soothing lolz, and also it was lockdown so I was bored. So I got the paint and read the guides and got to work and,,,, Wow, I did it badly. And I didn't do the ceiling. so I had fucking great Hague Blue splotches all over the ceiling, and drips of Hague Blue on my lovely wooden floor and skirting boards

    For a few days I didn't mind, then I minded, and I've minded ever since. This time I got a pro to do the whole room, ceiling included, and he was well pricey but he was good and it looks gorgeous. I can cope with just the radiator
    It’s true if you have a basic level of common sense and hand to eye co-ordination; my comment wasn’t aimed at edge cases.

    Anyhow, Hague blue is well out of fashion now, and you should be looking at Farage fuchsia…
    I'm going to ignore your uncharacteristic ad hominem, and focus on our burgeoning friendship

    I agree on Hague Blue. I told the decorator to go with his instincts and do something with the richness of Hague Blue but more fun and brighter

    He did a brilliant job. I love it. Some weird Dulux Heritage mix that he devised himself. All the woodwork is Farrow and Ball burgundy job, Precedence Red, I think, or something like that

    Tune in later for more exciting DIY updates
    Exclusive preview of Camden Home Of The Year.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,009

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    A friend of mine insisted I would find it therapeutic and "fun"

    There is something in what he says. It's quite soothing to paint a radiator and watch it melt into the wall

    It helps that the whole job takes about 30 minutes, then wait for it to dry, then another 30 minutes. Bosh

    Painting an entire room would, I fancy, be less engaging
    Depends on the rooms. We did the kids rooms over the Easter break. They both got to pick a colour then on one day of consecutive weekends we did it all.

    Changing the colour of the walls is quite satisfying and relatively quick with a roller.

    Its the edging that takes much longer and more concentration.
    When you’re decorating, things like wobbly edges are intensely annoying, but once you are back living in the room you never notice or worry. At all.
    I'd like to say that's true, but it isn't

    A few years ago I did my bedroom Hague Blue, as was the fash

    Trouble is I (again) decided to do it myself for the soothing lolz, and also it was lockdown so I was bored. So I got the paint and read the guides and got to work and,,,, Wow, I did it badly. And I didn't do the ceiling. so I had fucking great Hague Blue splotches all over the ceiling, and drips of Hague Blue on my lovely wooden floor and skirting boards

    For a few days I didn't mind, then I minded, and I've minded ever since. This time I got a pro to do the whole room, ceiling included, and he was well pricey but he was good and it looks gorgeous. I can cope with just the radiator
    It’s true if you have a basic level of common sense and hand to eye co-ordination; my comment wasn’t aimed at edge cases.

    Anyhow, Hague blue is well out of fashion now, and you should be looking at Farage fuchsia…
    I'm going to ignore your uncharacteristic ad hominem, and focus on our burgeoning friendship

    I agree on Hague Blue. I told the decorator to go with his instincts and do something with the richness of Hague Blue but more fun and brighter

    He did a brilliant job. I love it. Some weird Dulux Heritage mix that he devised himself. All the woodwork is Farrow and Ball burgundy job, Precedence Red, I think, or something like that

    Tune in later for more exciting DIY updates
    Exclusive preview of Camden Home Of The Year.
    Errrrr

    *shuffles akwardly*

    It doesn't look entirely different to that
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,788
    Leon said:

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    moonshine said:

    Astonished to see people writing this story off. It’s early in a potentially long hot summer. My benchmark of cut through is whether I find out a story from someone messaging me before I’ve realised it’s happening myself. I had 30+ messages yesterday from people who are largely fairly bored and apathetic about politics.

    Wait for the gory details to have time to percolate. Sunak calling the inexplicable snap election the day after the high court judgement to cancel the super injunction is proving a major lightbulb moment for people I know. Then there’s the rumoured sexual offenders element.

    Some old guard honourable Tory types that are responding positively to that poll might feel differently when they realise that the 1100 Afghan special forces are still stuck there while a big number of the many thousands admitted in the various schemes have no obvious right to have been approved.

    We’re not looking at a single mighty fatal blow that takes down a pair of political Goliaths. But a continual series of wounds to two exhausted animals. Fascinating to see what emerges. I’ve always thought a modern Blair would be better served with a hostile takeover of the Greens than Labour, perhaps that’s next.

    The people on trial for placing bets on the date of the GE three days before it was called rather disproves the 'Sunak ran out to call a GE the next day because of the judge' theories
    Sunak would have known what way the wind was blowing in the high court based upon his own legal advice and starting making noises about a potential snap election with key staffers.

    I quite liked Sunak for what it’s worth. He eventually found a backbone and squashed an omicron lockdown (two lockdowns too late but still). I think he’s at heart probably a decent enough chap. But you’re being naively generous to him here.
    The injunction hearing is a one day affair, not a multi day bobbins.
    If his legal advice was 'it will be lifted' and he was worried, he'd have called the election before the hearing and hidden it all under purdah/court would have extended beyond the election as the parliament scrutiny could now not occur anyway.
    Im sorry but whilst there are clear questions to answer, Sunak calling the election because of the hearing the day before is barking
    That’s not how the advice would have been given to him. They’d have said: “50-50 guv”, or perhaps “it’s not looking great”. By itself that would not be cause to seek the dissolution of parliament at such a broadly catastrophic period polling wise. Once the judgement was known, he’d have panicked and gone to the king. As I say, I liked him but giving him such strong benefit of the doubt on this is a little… odd.
    Big Bad Dom is certainly hinting at this scandal forcing major events, without us realising at the time
    He'd long since been out of the loop though, so he wouldn't know.
    Im assuming his 'data breach' comment is stuff happening during his time as Chief mandarin
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,350
    In response to TSE's point earlier, I would say that Both Boris and Keir were right to kick people out. Both of the traditional big 2 are big churches but there is a limit to how far you can go with that, particularly if you can't get key bills through.

    Interested that 2 of the MPs represent Poole and NE Herts. Makes me wonder if left wingers got selected in these seats as they weren't expected to be targets.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,161
    edited July 16

    carnforth said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    It appears some PBers are things from another tax bracket the absolute proles.
    I have just been hoovering out my own car like a yokel.
    I grew my own potatoes this year. They are delicious.

    I will bring some to the next PB gathering.
    ditto, we think Epicure are best. They are called Ayrshires in Scotland, and go well with turnips

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,850
    Phillips P. OBrien
    @PhillipsPOBrien
    ·
    2h
    FWIW, I’m hearing from a source that a story about Trump and Epstein is about to break. Certainly Trump seems to be losing his mind about Epstein.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,113
    Nigelb said:

    The old geezer is losing it.

    Trump on Powell: “I was surprised he was appointed” (Trump appointed him)
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1945513122795553257

    Trump has repeatedly trashed people he appointed and said were great, claiming to hardly know them and that they were useless all along.

    It in part explains why very few of his previous Cabinet openly supported him for re-election.

    It's never stopped more people thinking when they work for him it will be different of course.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 6,019
    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    A friend of mine insisted I would find it therapeutic and "fun"

    There is something in what he says. It's quite soothing to paint a radiator and watch it melt into the wall

    It helps that the whole job takes about 30 minutes, then wait for it to dry, then another 30 minutes. Bosh

    Painting an entire room would, I fancy, be less engaging
    Depends on the rooms. We did the kids rooms over the Easter break. They both got to pick a colour then on one day of consecutive weekends we did it all.

    Changing the colour of the walls is quite satisfying and relatively quick with a roller.

    Its the edging that takes much longer and more concentration.
    When you’re decorating, things like wobbly edges are intensely annoying, but once you are back living in the room you never notice or worry. At all.
    I'd like to say that's true, but it isn't

    A few years ago I did my bedroom Hague Blue, as was the fash

    Trouble is I (again) decided to do it myself for the soothing lolz, and also it was lockdown so I was bored. So I got the paint and read the guides and got to work and,,,, Wow, I did it badly. And I didn't do the ceiling. so I had fucking great Hague Blue splotches all over the ceiling, and drips of Hague Blue on my lovely wooden floor and skirting boards

    For a few days I didn't mind, then I minded, and I've minded ever since. This time I got a pro to do the whole room, ceiling included, and he was well pricey but he was good and it looks gorgeous. I can cope with just the radiator
    It’s true if you have a basic level of common sense and hand to eye co-ordination; my comment wasn’t aimed at edge cases.

    Anyhow, Hague blue is well out of fashion now, and you should be looking at Farage fuchsia…
    I'm going to ignore your uncharacteristic ad hominem, and focus on our burgeoning friendship

    I agree on Hague Blue. I told the decorator to go with his instincts and do something with the richness of Hague Blue but more fun and brighter

    He did a brilliant job. I love it. Some weird Dulux Heritage mix that he devised himself. All the woodwork is Farrow and Ball burgundy job, Precedence Red, I think, or something like that

    Tune in later for more exciting DIY updates
    I assumed Hague Blue was a type of Yorkshire cheese.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,850
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The old geezer is losing it.

    Trump on Powell: “I was surprised he was appointed” (Trump appointed him)
    https://x.com/atrupar/status/1945513122795553257

    Trump has repeatedly trashed people he appointed and said were great, claiming to hardly know them and that they were useless all along.

    It in part explains why very few of his previous Cabinet openly supported him for re-election.

    It's never stopped more people thinking when they work for him it will be different of course.
    Pretty likely now that come May Powell will be replaced by Hassett who will engineer a huge cut in interests which will give a massive inflation spike and then Trump will be on Fox News raging about which idiot appointed this Hassett bloke who is a total idiot etc etc.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,009
    edited July 16

    Leon said:

    Foxy said:

    I see the PB brothers were wrong about the national mood, with strong support for the government over the Afghan super-injunction. Even Reform were only narrowly against.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    Stronger still on our moral responsibility to Afghans who worked for British forces.

    https://bsky.app/profile/yougov.co.uk/post/3lu3pcvhzoc2y

    The poll is farcical. Read the question
    No mate, you're smearing a pollster because you don't like the finding.
    It is hardly a smear when the question is there in black and white. Anyone can see that is an utterly leading question - I would hope regardless of their views on the situation.
    It is quite tragic that people are so partisan they cannot admit this is a ludicrously leading poll question. Because it OBVIOUSLY is

    I guess YouGov's rationale will be "this is an obscure subject so we have to inform voters about the situation, first". Which is fair. But they have done that in such a way you have to be a heartless bastard or seriously well informed ALREADY to go against the "kind" "help the loyal Afghans" answer
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,501

    carnforth said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    It appears some PBers are things from another tax bracket the absolute proles.
    I have just been hoovering out my own car like a yokel.
    I grew my own potatoes this year. They are delicious.

    I will bring some to the next PB gathering.
    I've brewed about four and a half barrels of beer (1300 ish pints) so far this year

    I've never enjoyed beer so much
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,166
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    A friend of mine insisted I would find it therapeutic and "fun"

    There is something in what he says. It's quite soothing to paint a radiator and watch it melt into the wall

    It helps that the whole job takes about 30 minutes, then wait for it to dry, then another 30 minutes. Bosh

    Painting an entire room would, I fancy, be less engaging
    Walls are quite fun, and quick. Door and window frames, not so much.
    DIY is quite therapeutic, but we should be mindful as Belloc once wrote:

    "Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
    Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
    It is the business of the wealthy man
    To give employment to the artisan."
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,161

    carnforth said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    It appears some PBers are things from another tax bracket the absolute proles.
    I have just been hoovering out my own car like a yokel.
    I grew my own potatoes this year. They are delicious.

    I will bring some to the next PB gathering.
    I've brewed about four and a half barrels of beer (1300 ish pints) so far this year

    I've never enjoyed beer so much
    three last words could be reordered

  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,664

    carnforth said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    It appears some PBers are things from another tax bracket the absolute proles.
    I have just been hoovering out my own car like a yokel.
    I grew my own potatoes this year. They are delicious.

    I will bring some to the next PB gathering.
    I've brewed about four and a half barrels of beer (1300 ish pints) so far this year

    I've never enjoyed beer so much
    I cleaned out my guttering last night.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,525

    Hey Grok

    Can you draw me a Venn diagram of the PBers criticising Starmer for removing the whip from his rebellious MPs and those PBers who praised Boris Johnson for removing the whip from his MPs in 2019.

    I've not criticised either, but the two situations are not comparable.

    Johnson made his vote a confidence one (following precedence of eg Major with Maastricht etc) which means anyone who votes against absolutely should lose the whip, following precedence . . . and all did.

    Starmer did not make his vote a confidence one, and has removed the whip from just four of the forty seven rebels.
    The rebels have been almost decimated! :wink:
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,709
    For @Leon

    "I’m trying to give away a solid Oakwood 6 foot John Lewis bookcase. Almost as new. Worth £300 when I bought it maybe more"

    Please send photos and dimensions. I may be interested.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,009
    Cyclefree said:

    For @Leon

    "I’m trying to give away a solid Oakwood 6 foot John Lewis bookcase. Almost as new. Worth £300 when I bought it maybe more"

    Please send photos and dimensions. I may be interested.

    Already gone I am afraid

    Only the tumble dryer left
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,650
    If there was something in the Epstein files that implicated Trump then surely the Dems would have released that when they had the chance . For that reason I’m not buying any sources saying something is about to get reported .
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,664
    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    For @Leon

    "I’m trying to give away a solid Oakwood 6 foot John Lewis bookcase. Almost as new. Worth £300 when I bought it maybe more"

    Please send photos and dimensions. I may be interested.

    Already gone I am afraid

    Only the tumble dryer left
    Are you moving out?
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,961

    Phillips P. OBrien
    @PhillipsPOBrien
    ·
    2h
    FWIW, I’m hearing from a source that a story about Trump and Epstein is about to break. Certainly Trump seems to be losing his mind about Epstein.

    Let’s see. We’ve heard for years of the scandal that would do for trump and he’s still coasted along. But stranger things have happened in the last 10 years. Musk’s comment that trump should be impeached was presumably not made in a vacuum.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,113
    moonshine said:

    Phillips P. OBrien
    @PhillipsPOBrien
    ·
    2h
    FWIW, I’m hearing from a source that a story about Trump and Epstein is about to break. Certainly Trump seems to be losing his mind about Epstein.

    Let’s see. We’ve heard for years of the scandal that would do for trump and he’s still coasted along. But stranger things have happened in the last 10 years. Musk’s comment that trump should be impeached was presumably not made in a vacuum.
    Given Musk's propensity to exagerrate matters and respond in emotional outbursts he's not the most reliable of indicators of course.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,009
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    For @Leon

    "I’m trying to give away a solid Oakwood 6 foot John Lewis bookcase. Almost as new. Worth £300 when I bought it maybe more"

    Please send photos and dimensions. I may be interested.

    Already gone I am afraid

    Only the tumble dryer left
    Are you moving out?
    No no. just a big refurb. Enjoying it

    Want to turn my flat into a kind of decadent fortress against the evil world
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,657

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    What’s the Lib Dem strategy with respect to reform, especially as they don’t compete with them in general seat wise.

    They seem obsessed by them

    You have the hammer of the sub postmasters continually banging on about them.

    https://x.com/julianheather1/status/1945403813923299822?s=61

    Mark Pack posts incessantly about them

    Piss diamond twitter accounts obsess about them.

    What’s their angle ?

    They’re the most ideologically opposed to right-wing populism, they stand to gain from anti-Reform voting, and they know that both Labour and Tory are frightened of laying into reform for fear of losing their reform-curious voters.

    If, come the next GE, reform has maintained its pole position (a big if), the issue of the election could be whether British is ready to flirt with the populist right, and the LDs will be well placed to fight a vigorous campaign.

    That’s just not the case given their relative strength, with the exception of parts of Cornwall and Devon is in seats that are a desert for Reform.

    The Lib Dem’s are a southern party, the party of Waitrose and NIMBYism. They have no chance of taking seats where reform are strong in the east coast, midlands or the north.

    They have a strong presence, locally, in part of Durham but the national party doesn’t give a shit about the area. The city of Durham should be either a Lib Dem seat or competitive. Instead we have the cerebral Mary Kelly foy winning all the time
    Yes, but there are voters concerned about reform in every seat.

    Besides, more than half the struggle for the LibDems is coming up with distinctive positions that might register with the voters.
    Free money for the WASPE women, no more building locally.

    Awesome
    I got a leaflet from my local Labour councillors boasting about how they had stopped a proposed development at the end of my street. A lot of NIMBYism round my way. I'm tempted to vote for anyone who promises to NOT block development at the local elections next year.
    So who would that be ?

    Based on what you know now
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,161
    moonshine said:

    Phillips P. OBrien
    @PhillipsPOBrien
    ·
    2h
    FWIW, I’m hearing from a source that a story about Trump and Epstein is about to break. Certainly Trump seems to be losing his mind about Epstein.

    Let’s see. We’ve heard for years of the scandal that would do for trump and he’s still coasted along. But stranger things have happened in the last 10 years. Musk’s comment that trump should be impeached was presumably not made in a vacuum.
    well no, it wouldn't have been heard if it was

  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,664
    I am in a beautiful pub in Manchester. There is a soundtrack of music from my youth - 1994-1999. Great tunes, every one.
    It is provoking intense feeling of regret. I really fucked up those years.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,788
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    For @Leon

    "I’m trying to give away a solid Oakwood 6 foot John Lewis bookcase. Almost as new. Worth £300 when I bought it maybe more"

    Please send photos and dimensions. I may be interested.

    Already gone I am afraid

    Only the tumble dryer left
    Are you moving out?
    No no. just a big refurb. Enjoying it

    Want to turn my flat into a kind of decadent fortress against the evil world
    Have a bastard of a panic room installed. Fortify the absolute shit out if it
    I love a good prep
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,961
    kle4 said:

    moonshine said:

    Phillips P. OBrien
    @PhillipsPOBrien
    ·
    2h
    FWIW, I’m hearing from a source that a story about Trump and Epstein is about to break. Certainly Trump seems to be losing his mind about Epstein.

    Let’s see. We’ve heard for years of the scandal that would do for trump and he’s still coasted along. But stranger things have happened in the last 10 years. Musk’s comment that trump should be impeached was presumably not made in a vacuum.
    Given Musk's propensity to exagerrate matters and respond in emotional outbursts he's not the most reliable of indicators of course.
    As I have said so many times to the point of boring even myself, Musk is a broadly misunderstood figure. When he said that, based on everything I’ve seen of him over nearly 15 years, I had no reason to disbelieve him.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,326
    nico67 said:

    If there was something in the Epstein files that implicated Trump then surely the Dems would have released that when they had the chance . For that reason I’m not buying any sources saying something is about to get reported .

    It might not be Trump but someone close to him or his business empire that he knew about and did nothing after the first Epstein conviction for running an underage prostitution ring.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,664
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    For @Leon

    "I’m trying to give away a solid Oakwood 6 foot John Lewis bookcase. Almost as new. Worth £300 when I bought it maybe more"

    Please send photos and dimensions. I may be interested.

    Already gone I am afraid

    Only the tumble dryer left
    Are you moving out?
    No no. just a big refurb. Enjoying it

    Want to turn my flat into a kind of decadent fortress against the evil world
    Are dry clothes not decadent enough?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,709
    Re the Afghan imbroglio -

    Suella Braverman was Attorney-General until September 2022. If it is correct that the leak was only discovered a year after it happened, then she was not the person responsible for advising on the injunctions.

    The A-G who was in place from autumn 2022 to July 2024 was Victoria Prentis, followed by Richard Hermer. The judgment I posted yesterday shows that the first hearing dates were in September 2023.

    They will not speak because their legal advice to the government is legally privileged and the government will not waive that privilege.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,113
    moonshine said:

    kle4 said:

    moonshine said:

    Phillips P. OBrien
    @PhillipsPOBrien
    ·
    2h
    FWIW, I’m hearing from a source that a story about Trump and Epstein is about to break. Certainly Trump seems to be losing his mind about Epstein.

    Let’s see. We’ve heard for years of the scandal that would do for trump and he’s still coasted along. But stranger things have happened in the last 10 years. Musk’s comment that trump should be impeached was presumably not made in a vacuum.
    Given Musk's propensity to exagerrate matters and respond in emotional outbursts he's not the most reliable of indicators of course.
    As I have said so many times to the point of boring even myself, Musk is a broadly misunderstood figure. When he said that, based on everything I’ve seen of him over nearly 15 years, I had no reason to disbelieve him.
    He has one of the biggest platforms on the planet to make himself understood. He may be demonised more than is fair, but if people don't understand him when he explains himself constantly then I don't think that is entirely on them.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,161
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    For @Leon

    "I’m trying to give away a solid Oakwood 6 foot John Lewis bookcase. Almost as new. Worth £300 when I bought it maybe more"

    Please send photos and dimensions. I may be interested.

    Already gone I am afraid

    Only the tumble dryer left
    Are you moving out?
    No no. just a big refurb. Enjoying it

    Want to turn my flat into a kind of decadent fortress against the evil world
    Curtains - you need the kind they used to have in Whitehall offices that catch bombs thrown through the window and disperse the explosion. Not at John Lewis though

  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,961
    MaxPB said:

    nico67 said:

    If there was something in the Epstein files that implicated Trump then surely the Dems would have released that when they had the chance . For that reason I’m not buying any sources saying something is about to get reported .

    It might not be Trump but someone close to him or his business empire that he knew about and did nothing after the first Epstein conviction for running an underage prostitution ring.
    DJT might be streetwise enough to have no dirt that can stick to him. But his sons…?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,189

    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    The country is drowning in debt and the idiot Lib Dem’s want to spend more

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1945507837817303243?s=61

    It’s non sequitur competition time again?
    Oh FFS

    Soz

    Bit of a mare there. My excuse is I’m in Mallorca and slightly pissed on gin and wine

    It was supposed to be some dreary Lib Dem on GMB droning on about how awful the two child cap is.

    Can’t find the link now.
    The two child cap is awful. It has the effect of putting larger families into small rented properties with barely enough money to feed and eat. It's simply vindictive.

    But enjoy your gin and wine.
    Have smaller families then.
    ...because we are having far too many children and not enough old people? :open_mouth:
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,652
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    For @Leon

    "I’m trying to give away a solid Oakwood 6 foot John Lewis bookcase. Almost as new. Worth £300 when I bought it maybe more"

    Please send photos and dimensions. I may be interested.

    Already gone I am afraid

    Only the tumble dryer left
    Are you moving out?
    No no. just a big refurb. Enjoying it

    Want to turn my flat into a kind of decadent fortress against the evil world
    Helpful hint, let the paint on the radiator cure before drying your laundry.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,709
    Cyclefree said:

    For @Leon

    "I’m trying to give away a solid Oakwood 6 foot John Lewis bookcase. Almost as new. Worth £300 when I bought it maybe more"

    Please send photos and dimensions. I may be interested.

    Or try Freecycle.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,690
    Foxy said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Pbers tales of manual labour, I thought we all had hired help for such things?

    A friend of mine insisted I would find it therapeutic and "fun"

    There is something in what he says. It's quite soothing to paint a radiator and watch it melt into the wall

    It helps that the whole job takes about 30 minutes, then wait for it to dry, then another 30 minutes. Bosh

    Painting an entire room would, I fancy, be less engaging
    Walls are quite fun, and quick. Door and window frames, not so much.
    DIY is quite therapeutic, but we should be mindful as Belloc once wrote:

    "Lord Finchley tried to mend the Electric Light
    Himself. It struck him dead: And serve him right!
    It is the business of the wealthy man
    To give employment to the artisan."
    I smashed a headlight surround attempting to change the bulb in a Peugeot 206. Fiddly and c required c other bits out of the way. Costly light bulb that one.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,281
    edited July 16
    A significant article from Farage in the DM this morning: "Britain can no longer be treated like a charity for the rest of the world"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14908413/NIGEL-FARAGE-Britain-no-longer-treated-like-charity-rest-world.html

    For years, the Tories peddled the myth that all immigration is positive because migrants work and contribute to society. Quite simply, it was a lie and they knew it – yet they covered it up.

    The Tories will never be forgiven for what they have done to our country. They have failed on border security, failed on welfare and failed to deliver for working people. They broke Britain and it will take Reform to fix it.

    Under a Reform-led government, we will ban all foreign nationals from receiving benefits. If you want to live in this country, you must work, contribute to society and adhere to our culture. We cannot allow foreigners to benefit off the backs of hard-working Britons while the rest of the country suffers.

    Reform will introduce an immediate freeze on all immigration: illegal migrants will be deported and legal migration will pause. When it resumes, we will ensure the UK welcomes only the best and brightest – the world’s top doctors, lawyers and entrepreneurs – in small numbers.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,189

    I've got a brand new combine harvester.

    ...and I'll give you the key
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,060
    viewcode said:

    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    The country is drowning in debt and the idiot Lib Dem’s want to spend more

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1945507837817303243?s=61

    It’s non sequitur competition time again?
    Oh FFS

    Soz

    Bit of a mare there. My excuse is I’m in Mallorca and slightly pissed on gin and wine

    It was supposed to be some dreary Lib Dem on GMB droning on about how awful the two child cap is.

    Can’t find the link now.
    The two child cap is awful. It has the effect of putting larger families into small rented properties with barely enough money to feed and eat. It's simply vindictive.

    But enjoy your gin and wine.
    Have smaller families then.
    ...because we are having far too many children and not enough old people? :open_mouth:
    Fewer babies born now = fewer oldies in 60 years' time.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 44,652

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    For @Leon

    "I’m trying to give away a solid Oakwood 6 foot John Lewis bookcase. Almost as new. Worth £300 when I bought it maybe more"

    Please send photos and dimensions. I may be interested.

    Already gone I am afraid

    Only the tumble dryer left
    Are you moving out?
    No no. just a big refurb. Enjoying it

    Want to turn my flat into a kind of decadent fortress against the evil world
    Have a bastard of a panic room installed. Fortify the absolute shit out if it
    I love a good prep
    Several Youtube channels devoted to trying out military ration packs. I am interested in the historical side, and a suyrprising number of packs survive from the 1940s-1960s and are still tried out on those films. But it seems that a lot of the business in modern packs is for the prepper market, so Leon might like to know about those and get some ideas just in case the Camden Waitrose closes down.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,113

    A significant article from Farage in the DM this morning: "Britain can no longer be treated like a charity for the rest of the world"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14908413/NIGEL-FARAGE-Britain-no-longer-treated-like-charity-rest-world.html

    For years, the Tories peddled the myth that all immigration is positive because migrants work and contribute to society. Quite simply, it was a lie and they knew it – yet they covered it up.

    The Tories will never be forgiven for what they have done to our country. They have failed on border security, failed on welfare and failed to deliver for working people. They broke Britain and it will take Reform to fix it.

    Under a Reform-led government, we will ban all foreign nationals from receiving benefits. If you want to live in this country, you must work, contribute to society and adhere to our culture. We cannot allow foreigners to benefit off the backs of hard-working Britons while the rest of the country suffers.

    Reform will introduce an immediate freeze on all immigration: illegal migrants will be deported and legal migration will pause. When it resumes, we will ensure the UK welcomes only the best and brightest – the world’s top doctors, lawyers and entrepreneurs – in small numbers.

    Did the Tories peddle that myth? Certainly immigration levels remained high so one can question any rhetoric the Tories may have had, but was it their policy that all immigration was positive?
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,161

    viewcode said:

    Battlebus said:

    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Taz said:

    The country is drowning in debt and the idiot Lib Dem’s want to spend more

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1945507837817303243?s=61

    It’s non sequitur competition time again?
    Oh FFS

    Soz

    Bit of a mare there. My excuse is I’m in Mallorca and slightly pissed on gin and wine

    It was supposed to be some dreary Lib Dem on GMB droning on about how awful the two child cap is.

    Can’t find the link now.
    The two child cap is awful. It has the effect of putting larger families into small rented properties with barely enough money to feed and eat. It's simply vindictive.

    But enjoy your gin and wine.
    Have smaller families then.
    ...because we are having far too many children and not enough old people? :open_mouth:
    Fewer babies born now = fewer oldies in 60 years' time.
    Well, cet. par

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,718
    edited July 16
    This is Deborah Turness, the CEO of BBC News, on a staff call about the Gaza documentary which broke impartiality rules.
    Incredibly, she doesn’t seem to know that BOTH the armed wing and the political wing are deemed terrorist organisations by our government.

    https://x.com/nicolelampert/status/1945514699476365498

    Was still deflecting, well you know its totally different this Hamas lot that are a government from the Hamas lot that rape and torture people.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,788
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    For @Leon

    "I’m trying to give away a solid Oakwood 6 foot John Lewis bookcase. Almost as new. Worth £300 when I bought it maybe more"

    Please send photos and dimensions. I may be interested.

    Already gone I am afraid

    Only the tumble dryer left
    Are you moving out?
    No no. just a big refurb. Enjoying it

    Want to turn my flat into a kind of decadent fortress against the evil world
    Have a bastard of a panic room installed. Fortify the absolute shit out if it
    I love a good prep
    Several Youtube channels devoted to trying out military ration packs. I am interested in the historical side, and a suyrprising number of packs survive from the 1940s-1960s and are still tried out on those films. But it seems that a lot of the business in modern packs is for the prepper market, so Leon might like to know about those and get some ideas just in case the Camden Waitrose closes down.
    MRE porn is great
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,312

    A significant article from Farage in the DM this morning: "Britain can no longer be treated like a charity for the rest of the world"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14908413/NIGEL-FARAGE-Britain-no-longer-treated-like-charity-rest-world.html

    For years, the Tories peddled the myth that all immigration is positive because migrants work and contribute to society. Quite simply, it was a lie and they knew it – yet they covered it up.

    The Tories will never be forgiven for what they have done to our country. They have failed on border security, failed on welfare and failed to deliver for working people. They broke Britain and it will take Reform to fix it.

    Under a Reform-led government, we will ban all foreign nationals from receiving benefits. If you want to live in this country, you must work, contribute to society and adhere to our culture. We cannot allow foreigners to benefit off the backs of hard-working Britons while the rest of the country suffers.

    Reform will introduce an immediate freeze on all immigration: illegal migrants will be deported and legal migration will pause. When it resumes, we will ensure the UK welcomes only the best and brightest – the world’s top doctors, lawyers and entrepreneurs – in small numbers.

    All well and good and convincing.
    Until you apply a moment's thought to the implications.
    People generally haven't thus far...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,113

    This is Deborah Turness, the CEO of BBC News, on a staff call about the Gaza documentary which broke impartiality rules.
    Incredibly, she doesn’t seem to know that BOTH the armed wing and the political wing are deemed terrorist organisations by our government.

    https://x.com/nicolelampert/status/1945514699476365498

    Was still deflecting, well you know its totally different this Hamas lot that are a government from the Hamas lot that rape and torture people.

    Whether other people know about both wings being deemed such or not (and news organisations should be clear on such a thing) it should still raise internal alarm bells if seeking to make an argument about distinguishing between different types of Hamas.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,113
    dixiedean said:

    A significant article from Farage in the DM this morning: "Britain can no longer be treated like a charity for the rest of the world"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14908413/NIGEL-FARAGE-Britain-no-longer-treated-like-charity-rest-world.html

    For years, the Tories peddled the myth that all immigration is positive because migrants work and contribute to society. Quite simply, it was a lie and they knew it – yet they covered it up.

    The Tories will never be forgiven for what they have done to our country. They have failed on border security, failed on welfare and failed to deliver for working people. They broke Britain and it will take Reform to fix it.

    Under a Reform-led government, we will ban all foreign nationals from receiving benefits. If you want to live in this country, you must work, contribute to society and adhere to our culture. We cannot allow foreigners to benefit off the backs of hard-working Britons while the rest of the country suffers.

    Reform will introduce an immediate freeze on all immigration: illegal migrants will be deported and legal migration will pause. When it resumes, we will ensure the UK welcomes only the best and brightest – the world’s top doctors, lawyers and entrepreneurs – in small numbers.

    All well and good and convincing.
    Until you apply a moment's thought to the implications.
    People generally haven't thus far...
    People usually consider implications at the last possible moment, such as when they have happened.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,312

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    For @Leon

    "I’m trying to give away a solid Oakwood 6 foot John Lewis bookcase. Almost as new. Worth £300 when I bought it maybe more"

    Please send photos and dimensions. I may be interested.

    Already gone I am afraid

    Only the tumble dryer left
    Are you moving out?
    No no. just a big refurb. Enjoying it

    Want to turn my flat into a kind of decadent fortress against the evil world
    Have a bastard of a panic room installed. Fortify the absolute shit out if it
    I love a good prep
    Several Youtube channels devoted to trying out military ration packs. I am interested in the historical side, and a suyrprising number of packs survive from the 1940s-1960s and are still tried out on those films. But it seems that a lot of the business in modern packs is for the prepper market, so Leon might like to know about those and get some ideas just in case the Camden Waitrose closes down.
    MRE porn is great
    Hopefully not this?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Religious_Education
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,657
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,060
    Cookie said:

    I am in a beautiful pub in Manchester. There is a soundtrack of music from my youth - 1994-1999. Great tunes, every one.
    It is provoking intense feeling of regret. I really fucked up those years.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71ZHVmSuBJM
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,558
    edited July 16
    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    For @Leon

    "I’m trying to give away a solid Oakwood 6 foot John Lewis bookcase. Almost as new. Worth £300 when I bought it maybe more"

    Please send photos and dimensions. I may be interested.

    Already gone I am afraid

    Only the tumble dryer left
    Are you moving out?
    No no. just a big refurb. Enjoying it

    Want to turn my flat into a kind of decadent fortress against the evil world
    Have a bastard of a panic room installed. Fortify the absolute shit out if it
    I love a good prep
    Several Youtube channels devoted to trying out military ration packs. I am interested in the historical side, and a suyrprising number of packs survive from the 1940s-1960s and are still tried out on those films. But it seems that a lot of the business in modern packs is for the prepper market, so Leon might like to know about those and get some ideas just in case the Camden Waitrose closes down.
    Prepping in inner London feels like an oxymoron.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,650

    A significant article from Farage in the DM this morning: "Britain can no longer be treated like a charity for the rest of the world"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14908413/NIGEL-FARAGE-Britain-no-longer-treated-like-charity-rest-world.html

    For years, the Tories peddled the myth that all immigration is positive because migrants work and contribute to society. Quite simply, it was a lie and they knew it – yet they covered it up.

    The Tories will never be forgiven for what they have done to our country. They have failed on border security, failed on welfare and failed to deliver for working people. They broke Britain and it will take Reform to fix it.

    Under a Reform-led government, we will ban all foreign nationals from receiving benefits. If you want to live in this country, you must work, contribute to society and adhere to our culture. We cannot allow foreigners to benefit off the backs of hard-working Britons while the rest of the country suffers.

    Reform will introduce an immediate freeze on all immigration: illegal migrants will be deported and legal migration will pause. When it resumes, we will ensure the UK welcomes only the best and brightest – the world’s top doctors, lawyers and entrepreneurs – in small numbers.

    So even if a foreign national resident of the UK had worked for years then got sick they would not receive any help at all. Why don’t Reform just go all in and force foreign nationals to wear an identifier so Brits know who the alleged scrounges are ! . And what does adhere to Brit culture mean , are foreigners allowed to celebrate something from their ancestral country or will the culture police be there to round them up for re-education !
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,718
    kle4 said:

    This is Deborah Turness, the CEO of BBC News, on a staff call about the Gaza documentary which broke impartiality rules.
    Incredibly, she doesn’t seem to know that BOTH the armed wing and the political wing are deemed terrorist organisations by our government.

    https://x.com/nicolelampert/status/1945514699476365498

    Was still deflecting, well you know its totally different this Hamas lot that are a government from the Hamas lot that rape and torture people.

    Whether other people know about both wings being deemed such or not (and news organisations should be clear on such a thing) it should still raise internal alarm bells if seeking to make an argument about distinguishing between different types of Hamas.
    “I think it’s very important that we are clear that Herr Hitler was a member of the political wing of the Nazi Party, and not an active member of the SS.”

    https://x.com/Mr_Andrew_Fox/status/1945551543786471781
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,788
    dixiedean said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    For @Leon

    "I’m trying to give away a solid Oakwood 6 foot John Lewis bookcase. Almost as new. Worth £300 when I bought it maybe more"

    Please send photos and dimensions. I may be interested.

    Already gone I am afraid

    Only the tumble dryer left
    Are you moving out?
    No no. just a big refurb. Enjoying it

    Want to turn my flat into a kind of decadent fortress against the evil world
    Have a bastard of a panic room installed. Fortify the absolute shit out if it
    I love a good prep
    Several Youtube channels devoted to trying out military ration packs. I am interested in the historical side, and a suyrprising number of packs survive from the 1940s-1960s and are still tried out on those films. But it seems that a lot of the business in modern packs is for the prepper market, so Leon might like to know about those and get some ideas just in case the Camden Waitrose closes down.
    MRE porn is great
    Hopefully not this?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Religious_Education
    Meal, Ready to Eat
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,202

    A significant article from Farage in the DM this morning: "Britain can no longer be treated like a charity for the rest of the world"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14908413/NIGEL-FARAGE-Britain-no-longer-treated-like-charity-rest-world.html

    For years, the Tories peddled the myth that all immigration is positive because migrants work and contribute to society. Quite simply, it was a lie and they knew it – yet they covered it up.

    The Tories will never be forgiven for what they have done to our country. They have failed on border security, failed on welfare and failed to deliver for working people. They broke Britain and it will take Reform to fix it.

    Under a Reform-led government, we will ban all foreign nationals from receiving benefits. If you want to live in this country, you must work, contribute to society and adhere to our culture. We cannot allow foreigners to benefit off the backs of hard-working Britons while the rest of the country suffers.

    Reform will introduce an immediate freeze on all immigration: illegal migrants will be deported and legal migration will pause. When it resumes, we will ensure the UK welcomes only the best and brightest – the world’s top doctors, lawyers and entrepreneurs – in small numbers.

    Why would the Tories cover it up though? Politically what would be in it for them? Yes, if they believed immigration was the unpalatable solution to our economic woes. But Nigel is asserting they didn't believe that and knew all along that immigration was crap. So why bother?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,113

    kle4 said:

    This is Deborah Turness, the CEO of BBC News, on a staff call about the Gaza documentary which broke impartiality rules.
    Incredibly, she doesn’t seem to know that BOTH the armed wing and the political wing are deemed terrorist organisations by our government.

    https://x.com/nicolelampert/status/1945514699476365498

    Was still deflecting, well you know its totally different this Hamas lot that are a government from the Hamas lot that rape and torture people.

    Whether other people know about both wings being deemed such or not (and news organisations should be clear on such a thing) it should still raise internal alarm bells if seeking to make an argument about distinguishing between different types of Hamas.
    “I think it’s very important that we are clear that Herr Hitler was a member of the political wing of the Nazi Party, and not an active member of the SS.”

    https://x.com/Mr_Andrew_Fox/status/1945551543786471781
    BBC News, later that day: “And now we go live to Dr Mengele, a physician from the hospital wing at Auschwitz, to tell us about the shocking German death toll from allied bombing.”
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,603
    Parliamentary privilege is not unlimited; I was bound by the Official Secrets Act.

    Is that true? Parliament's FAQ says this:

    "You can’t be sued (for example, for defamation) or prosecuted for anything you say in the Chamber, Westminster Hall or formal committee of the House"

    https://guidetoprocedure.parliament.uk/articles/szEQlFBF/freedom-of-speech
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,664
    nico67 said:

    A significant article from Farage in the DM this morning: "Britain can no longer be treated like a charity for the rest of the world"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14908413/NIGEL-FARAGE-Britain-no-longer-treated-like-charity-rest-world.html

    For years, the Tories peddled the myth that all immigration is positive because migrants work and contribute to society. Quite simply, it was a lie and they knew it – yet they covered it up.

    The Tories will never be forgiven for what they have done to our country. They have failed on border security, failed on welfare and failed to deliver for working people. They broke Britain and it will take Reform to fix it.

    Under a Reform-led government, we will ban all foreign nationals from receiving benefits. If you want to live in this country, you must work, contribute to society and adhere to our culture. We cannot allow foreigners to benefit off the backs of hard-working Britons while the rest of the country suffers.

    Reform will introduce an immediate freeze on all immigration: illegal migrants will be deported and legal migration will pause. When it resumes, we will ensure the UK welcomes only the best and brightest – the world’s top doctors, lawyers and entrepreneurs – in small numbers.

    So even if a foreign national resident of the UK had worked for years then got sick they would not receive any help at all. Why don’t Reform just go all in and force foreign nationals to wear an identifier so Brits know who the alleged scrounges are ! . And what does adhere to Brit culture mean , are foreigners allowed to celebrate something from their ancestral country or will the culture police be there to round them up for re-education !
    Actually, that happens. If you move here legally - from Canada, say - you have to take out insurance against any claim you might make on the NHS. Which doesn't seem unreasonable.
    I'd be interested how universally applied that is, though.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,718
    If somebody gets the sack from the BBC for saying a naughty word in a pub 10 years ago, should the head of BBC News be for the chop for such comments?
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,657
    Dig deep wage slaves

    😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

    https://x.com/ziayusufuk/status/1945462125394084132?s=61
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,301
    geoffw said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    For @Leon

    "I’m trying to give away a solid Oakwood 6 foot John Lewis bookcase. Almost as new. Worth £300 when I bought it maybe more"

    Please send photos and dimensions. I may be interested.

    Already gone I am afraid

    Only the tumble dryer left
    Are you moving out?
    No no. just a big refurb. Enjoying it

    Want to turn my flat into a kind of decadent fortress against the evil world
    Curtains - you need the kind they used to have in Whitehall offices that catch bombs thrown through the window and disperse the explosion. Not at John Lewis though

    Won’t do much good when Putin presses the button, his being only a few miles from the centre of the capital?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,281

    A significant article from Farage in the DM this morning: "Britain can no longer be treated like a charity for the rest of the world"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14908413/NIGEL-FARAGE-Britain-no-longer-treated-like-charity-rest-world.html

    For years, the Tories peddled the myth that all immigration is positive because migrants work and contribute to society. Quite simply, it was a lie and they knew it – yet they covered it up.

    The Tories will never be forgiven for what they have done to our country. They have failed on border security, failed on welfare and failed to deliver for working people. They broke Britain and it will take Reform to fix it.

    Under a Reform-led government, we will ban all foreign nationals from receiving benefits. If you want to live in this country, you must work, contribute to society and adhere to our culture. We cannot allow foreigners to benefit off the backs of hard-working Britons while the rest of the country suffers.

    Reform will introduce an immediate freeze on all immigration: illegal migrants will be deported and legal migration will pause. When it resumes, we will ensure the UK welcomes only the best and brightest – the world’s top doctors, lawyers and entrepreneurs – in small numbers.

    Why would the Tories cover it up though? Politically what would be in it for them? Yes, if they believed immigration was the unpalatable solution to our economic woes. But Nigel is asserting they didn't believe that and knew all along that immigration was crap. So why bother?
    Because the Tories rely on the votes of the old and property owners who are the main beneficiaries of immigration. They couldn't be honest about the link between immigration and house prices.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,143
    Seems pretty likely to be a "compromise is the worst of both worlds" situation.

    Not enough to appease the Faragists.

    Too much to make the old Tories happy.
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,905
    edited July 16

    Looks like Maskell also gone.
    More of a problem i think, ex shadow cabibet, has a lot more pull in the party than the new boys. Blows his 'i listened' shit out of the water on welfare as hes now meting out beatings

    Starmer is an utter fool. Deserves to be eviscerated at the next election. Maskell is a great constituency MP who has a degree of conscience. The Labour Party is fucked if this is their approach.

    She’s more likely to go Green than Corbyn.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,052
    Cyclefree said:

    Cyclefree said:

    For @Leon

    "I’m trying to give away a solid Oakwood 6 foot John Lewis bookcase. Almost as new. Worth £300 when I bought it maybe more"

    Please send photos and dimensions. I may be interested.

    Or try Freecycle.
    Your mirrorverse double?
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,961
    Cookie said:

    nico67 said:

    A significant article from Farage in the DM this morning: "Britain can no longer be treated like a charity for the rest of the world"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14908413/NIGEL-FARAGE-Britain-no-longer-treated-like-charity-rest-world.html

    For years, the Tories peddled the myth that all immigration is positive because migrants work and contribute to society. Quite simply, it was a lie and they knew it – yet they covered it up.

    The Tories will never be forgiven for what they have done to our country. They have failed on border security, failed on welfare and failed to deliver for working people. They broke Britain and it will take Reform to fix it.

    Under a Reform-led government, we will ban all foreign nationals from receiving benefits. If you want to live in this country, you must work, contribute to society and adhere to our culture. We cannot allow foreigners to benefit off the backs of hard-working Britons while the rest of the country suffers.

    Reform will introduce an immediate freeze on all immigration: illegal migrants will be deported and legal migration will pause. When it resumes, we will ensure the UK welcomes only the best and brightest – the world’s top doctors, lawyers and entrepreneurs – in small numbers.

    So even if a foreign national resident of the UK had worked for years then got sick they would not receive any help at all. Why don’t Reform just go all in and force foreign nationals to wear an identifier so Brits know who the alleged scrounges are ! . And what does adhere to Brit culture mean , are foreigners allowed to celebrate something from their ancestral country or will the culture police be there to round them up for re-education !
    Actually, that happens. If you move here legally - from Canada, say - you have to take out insurance against any claim you might make on the NHS. Which doesn't seem unreasonable.
    I'd be interested how universally applied that is, though.
    Fascinating to me why people in the uk think this at all controversial. Go and work in Asia or the Middle East and see what happens to your visa if you say you can’t work anymore because you suddenly realised you have adult ADHD.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,791
    RobD said:

    Parliamentary privilege is not unlimited; I was bound by the Official Secrets Act.

    Is that true? Parliament's FAQ says this:

    "You can’t be sued (for example, for defamation) or prosecuted for anything you say in the Chamber, Westminster Hall or formal committee of the House"

    https://guidetoprocedure.parliament.uk/articles/szEQlFBF/freedom-of-speech
    I think this is where the ministerial code applies and he's bound by that to not break the Official Secrets Act.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,143
    Taz said:

    Dig deep wage slaves

    😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

    https://x.com/ziayusufuk/status/1945462125394084132?s=61

    Yup, and it sucks.

    However.

    An individual has made a complete hash of things on behalf of the British government. Whilst some of the claims being made may be chancers chancing, at least some people have had their lives utterly messed up by this. And as with the postmasters and the infected blood scandals, even a token gesture towards making things a bit right is going to cost, and far more than can be extracted from the people who caused the problems.

    So ultimately, we as the taxpayers of Britain are on the hook for this. I might wish we weren't, but those are the cards that life sometimes deals. And the alternative- reclining in our boudoirs saying "nah"- just isn't on.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,009
    Foss said:

    Carnyx said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cyclefree said:

    For @Leon

    "I’m trying to give away a solid Oakwood 6 foot John Lewis bookcase. Almost as new. Worth £300 when I bought it maybe more"

    Please send photos and dimensions. I may be interested.

    Already gone I am afraid

    Only the tumble dryer left
    Are you moving out?
    No no. just a big refurb. Enjoying it

    Want to turn my flat into a kind of decadent fortress against the evil world
    Have a bastard of a panic room installed. Fortify the absolute shit out if it
    I love a good prep
    Several Youtube channels devoted to trying out military ration packs. I am interested in the historical side, and a suyrprising number of packs survive from the 1940s-1960s and are still tried out on those films. But it seems that a lot of the business in modern packs is for the prepper market, so Leon might like to know about those and get some ideas just in case the Camden Waitrose closes down.
    Prepping in inner London feels like an oxymoron.
    It's emotional prepping, I want the sense of a lush, lyrical, gaylordly ponceybooting "cocoon", whence I shall observe the Decline and Fall
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,009
    dixiedean said:

    A significant article from Farage in the DM this morning: "Britain can no longer be treated like a charity for the rest of the world"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14908413/NIGEL-FARAGE-Britain-no-longer-treated-like-charity-rest-world.html

    For years, the Tories peddled the myth that all immigration is positive because migrants work and contribute to society. Quite simply, it was a lie and they knew it – yet they covered it up.

    The Tories will never be forgiven for what they have done to our country. They have failed on border security, failed on welfare and failed to deliver for working people. They broke Britain and it will take Reform to fix it.

    Under a Reform-led government, we will ban all foreign nationals from receiving benefits. If you want to live in this country, you must work, contribute to society and adhere to our culture. We cannot allow foreigners to benefit off the backs of hard-working Britons while the rest of the country suffers.

    Reform will introduce an immediate freeze on all immigration: illegal migrants will be deported and legal migration will pause. When it resumes, we will ensure the UK welcomes only the best and brightest – the world’s top doctors, lawyers and entrepreneurs – in small numbers.

    All well and good and convincing.
    Until you apply a moment's thought to the implications.
    People generally haven't thus far...
    I don't give a fuck. Well done Nige

    People have lost all patience, and want this DONE
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,282
    moonshine said:

    Cookie said:

    nico67 said:

    A significant article from Farage in the DM this morning: "Britain can no longer be treated like a charity for the rest of the world"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14908413/NIGEL-FARAGE-Britain-no-longer-treated-like-charity-rest-world.html

    For years, the Tories peddled the myth that all immigration is positive because migrants work and contribute to society. Quite simply, it was a lie and they knew it – yet they covered it up.

    The Tories will never be forgiven for what they have done to our country. They have failed on border security, failed on welfare and failed to deliver for working people. They broke Britain and it will take Reform to fix it.

    Under a Reform-led government, we will ban all foreign nationals from receiving benefits. If you want to live in this country, you must work, contribute to society and adhere to our culture. We cannot allow foreigners to benefit off the backs of hard-working Britons while the rest of the country suffers.

    Reform will introduce an immediate freeze on all immigration: illegal migrants will be deported and legal migration will pause. When it resumes, we will ensure the UK welcomes only the best and brightest – the world’s top doctors, lawyers and entrepreneurs – in small numbers.

    So even if a foreign national resident of the UK had worked for years then got sick they would not receive any help at all. Why don’t Reform just go all in and force foreign nationals to wear an identifier so Brits know who the alleged scrounges are ! . And what does adhere to Brit culture mean , are foreigners allowed to celebrate something from their ancestral country or will the culture police be there to round them up for re-education !
    Actually, that happens. If you move here legally - from Canada, say - you have to take out insurance against any claim you might make on the NHS. Which doesn't seem unreasonable.
    I'd be interested how universally applied that is, though.
    Fascinating to me why people in the uk think this at all controversial. Go and work in Asia or the Middle East and see what happens to your visa if you say you can’t work anymore because you suddenly realised you have adult ADHD.
    Apologies for butting in on the group ignorance, but what do you think the immigrant healthcare surcharge is?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,009

    Seems pretty likely to be a "compromise is the worst of both worlds" situation.

    Not enough to appease the Faragists.

    Too much to make the old Tories happy.
    Jenrick is screwed. Belatedly, he has found the right words to say and the right attitudes to take, but it is far too late. He needed to be doing this three, four, eight years ago, so he is trustworthy and can win the Right

    He wasn't so he isn't so he can't
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,288
    Jenrick's considered opinion.

    "@RobertJenrick

    The Afghan Response Route has been a complete disaster. "

    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1945552505712132439
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,696
    MaxPB said:

    nico67 said:

    If there was something in the Epstein files that implicated Trump then surely the Dems would have released that when they had the chance . For that reason I’m not buying any sources saying something is about to get reported .

    It might not be Trump but someone close to him or his business empire that he knew about and did nothing after the first Epstein conviction for running an underage prostitution ring.
    Or it might be linked with senior democrats - remember that Trump was a New York Democrat for many years.

    I have a strong suspicion that Epstein made sure that he got people involved from all sides, as protection.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 63,009

    Taz said:

    Dig deep wage slaves

    😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

    https://x.com/ziayusufuk/status/1945462125394084132?s=61

    Yup, and it sucks.

    However.

    An individual has made a complete hash of things on behalf of the British government. Whilst some of the claims being made may be chancers chancing, at least some people have had their lives utterly messed up by this. And as with the postmasters and the infected blood scandals, even a token gesture towards making things a bit right is going to cost, and far more than can be extracted from the people who caused the problems.

    So ultimately, we as the taxpayers of Britain are on the hook for this. I might wish we weren't, but those are the cards that life sometimes deals. And the alternative- reclining in our boudoirs saying "nah"- just isn't on.
    Sorry, but I vote for Nah

    Let's see how it goes down with the voters
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,696
    moonshine said:

    Cookie said:

    nico67 said:

    A significant article from Farage in the DM this morning: "Britain can no longer be treated like a charity for the rest of the world"

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-14908413/NIGEL-FARAGE-Britain-no-longer-treated-like-charity-rest-world.html

    For years, the Tories peddled the myth that all immigration is positive because migrants work and contribute to society. Quite simply, it was a lie and they knew it – yet they covered it up.

    The Tories will never be forgiven for what they have done to our country. They have failed on border security, failed on welfare and failed to deliver for working people. They broke Britain and it will take Reform to fix it.

    Under a Reform-led government, we will ban all foreign nationals from receiving benefits. If you want to live in this country, you must work, contribute to society and adhere to our culture. We cannot allow foreigners to benefit off the backs of hard-working Britons while the rest of the country suffers.

    Reform will introduce an immediate freeze on all immigration: illegal migrants will be deported and legal migration will pause. When it resumes, we will ensure the UK welcomes only the best and brightest – the world’s top doctors, lawyers and entrepreneurs – in small numbers.

    So even if a foreign national resident of the UK had worked for years then got sick they would not receive any help at all. Why don’t Reform just go all in and force foreign nationals to wear an identifier so Brits know who the alleged scrounges are ! . And what does adhere to Brit culture mean , are foreigners allowed to celebrate something from their ancestral country or will the culture police be there to round them up for re-education !
    Actually, that happens. If you move here legally - from Canada, say - you have to take out insurance against any claim you might make on the NHS. Which doesn't seem unreasonable.
    I'd be interested how universally applied that is, though.
    Fascinating to me why people in the uk think this at all controversial. Go and work in Asia or the Middle East and see what happens to your visa if you say you can’t work anymore because you suddenly realised you have adult ADHD.
    In quite a few European countries, various benefits can only be accessed by paying into the system, first. Kinda insurance style.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,282

    If somebody gets the sack from the BBC for saying a naughty word in a pub 10 years ago, should the head of BBC News be for the chop for such comments?

    It's classic BBC senior management, find someone who:s made a minor transgression and crucify them to protect the senior managers who allowed major transgressions. See Savile, Bashir etc etc
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