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edited July 14 in General
Some more good news for Starmer – politicalbetting.com

Britons tend to support the 'one in, one out' deal agreed by the UK and France this week, which will see migrants who have crossed the channel in small boats exchanged for those with a stronger claim to asylum in the UKSupport: 45%Oppose: 35%yougov.co.uk/topics/polit…

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  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,589
    edited July 14
    England are going to lose here if there wasn't a break. Tea coming in an over is very helpful though.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,992
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    England are going to lose here if there wasn't a break. Tea coming in an over is very helpful though.

    Can someone please slip something in Jadeja’s tea?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,778
    How much tea will Jadeja and Siraj actually eat ? Not going to be wanting to digest a huge portion of fish and chips lol.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,589
    edited July 14
    DavidL said:

    This bowling attack really won't do down under.

    Unfortunately, the talent is thin as talent among the Tory party. Hence why we have a 36 year bloke who hasn't played any red ball cricket all year and barely sending it down at more than 80mph opening the bowling.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,437
    On topic, I think people are prepared to try anything to stop the boats.

    Even trusting the French.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,644
    Fairliered said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    England are going to lose here if there wasn't a break. Tea coming in an over is very helpful though.

    Can someone please slip something in Jadeja’s tea?
    Surely immure @Leon in his bathroom?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,437
    This game goes to the final session....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,589
    MarqueeMark said:

    This game goes to the final session....

    India bat for the draw?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,778
    Match making it past tea must have been well odds against at the start of the day.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,778
    edited July 14
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    This game goes to the final session....

    India bat for the draw?
    Would snap your hand off for it if they could get a draw but still very unlikely with the new ball due in 10 overs.

    Having said that I've put a quid on it at 700-1.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,589
    I don't know who is advising him, but they are terrible at their job.

    Wallace said the months since he was forced to step down from the BBC show had been “brutal” for him.

    “For a working-class man with a direct manner, modern broadcasting has become a dangerous place. I was the headline this time. But I won’t be the last. There will be more casualties if the BBC continues down this path, where protecting its legacy matters more than protecting people."
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,741
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I don't know who is advising him, but they are terrible at their job.

    Wallace said the months since he was forced to step down from the BBC show had been “brutal” for him.

    “For a working-class man with a direct manner, modern broadcasting has become a dangerous place. I was the headline this time. But I won’t be the last. There will be more casualties if the BBC continues down this path, where protecting its legacy matters more than protecting people."

    Ugh, class warfare again, I hate the working classes who think their ‘class’ gives them a free pass for their shit behaviour.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,664
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I don't know who is advising him, but they are terrible at their job.

    Wallace said the months since he was forced to step down from the BBC show had been “brutal” for him.

    “For a working-class man with a direct manner, modern broadcasting has become a dangerous place. I was the headline this time. But I won’t be the last. There will be more casualties if the BBC continues down this path, where protecting its legacy matters more than protecting people."

    I suspect the issue is that he’s sought out anyone who didn’t immediately tell him - your only sane option is to disappear from the public view forever,

    Going back on this supposedly there is a whole series of Masterchef that’s been recorded and is waiting to be shown. Given when and how Greg was kicked off the “inside the factory” series I have to ask why that series was filmed last year with Greg involved
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,500
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I don't know who is advising him, but they are terrible at their job.

    Wallace said the months since he was forced to step down from the BBC show had been “brutal” for him.

    “For a working-class man with a direct manner, modern broadcasting has become a dangerous place. I was the headline this time. But I won’t be the last. There will be more casualties if the BBC continues down this path, where protecting its legacy matters more than protecting people."

    My take on this is is that someone should have done something a long time ago. We have had Roger of this parish defend the 'celebs' behaviour in the wake of Me Too and I wonder if similar has gone on at the BBC. They do seem to revere their high profile stars.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,589
    CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

    A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

    Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

    In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,644
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I don't know who is advising him, but they are terrible at their job.

    Wallace said the months since he was forced to step down from the BBC show had been “brutal” for him.

    “For a working-class man with a direct manner, modern broadcasting has become a dangerous place. I was the headline this time. But I won’t be the last. There will be more casualties if the BBC continues down this path, where protecting its legacy matters more than protecting people."

    The problem is that the law firms/consultancies that deal with problems need problem that is workable. At the moment, sexual assaults/impropriety like this is an open and shut case - his fries are done.

    It's when you see them working on other cases, that you see how this rolls, otherwise.

    "Yes, Mr X was involved in an altercation at the family home, with his wife*. Mr X is currently in the Priory, dealing with a complex psychological condition, involving substance dependency bought on by surgery and subsequent medical malpractise. Obviously, since he is on the treatment track, prosecution would not be in the public interest."

    *In hospital. For the 8th time.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,500
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

    A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

    Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

    In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

    That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,589
    edited July 14
    Malmesbury said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I don't know who is advising him, but they are terrible at their job.

    Wallace said the months since he was forced to step down from the BBC show had been “brutal” for him.

    “For a working-class man with a direct manner, modern broadcasting has become a dangerous place. I was the headline this time. But I won’t be the last. There will be more casualties if the BBC continues down this path, where protecting its legacy matters more than protecting people."

    The problem is that the law firms/consultancies that deal with problems need problem that is workable. At the moment, sexual assaults/impropriety like this is an open and shut case - his fries are done.

    It's when you see them working on other cases, that you see how this rolls, otherwise.

    "Yes, Mr X was involved in an altercation at the family home, with his wife*. Mr X is currently in the Priory, dealing with a complex psychological condition, involving substance dependency bought on by surgery and subsequent medical malpractise. Obviously, since he is on the treatment track, prosecution would not be in the public interest."

    *In hospital. For the 8th time.
    Didn't Andy Coulson work for Huw Edwards to do emergency PR. Until he got done for having the dodgy images, I think they had managed to at very least shut the situation down and got the media talking about the evils of the CurrantBun and push the whole he is having a mental breakdown (again) narrative, please be kind.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,214
    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1944778500696633478

    Trump to impose "very severe [secondary] tariffs" of 100% on Russia if no deal is reached "in 50 days."
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,589
    edited July 14
    turbotubbs said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

    A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

    Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

    In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

    That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...
    This case does seem to have brought together strange bedfellows who are very vocally both for and against. Private Eye doctor bloke never shuts up about it being a miscarriage of justice vs Spiked who are normally take the contrarian angle mock these people.

    I have to say I really don't know enough about the case.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,644
    turbotubbs said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

    A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

    Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

    In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

    That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...
    It's hard to say which is less attractive - the clowns jumping onto the Free The Letby One Bus or the clowns going all Lord Denning.

    For me, it looks like some statistics have been tortured. Again. There needs to be some action on the problem of innumeracy among lawyers, it seems. Though the path to confirmation of what you believe, via maths, has been trodden by a number of brilliant minds.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Innumeracy-Mathematical-Illiteracy-Its-Consequences/dp/0670830089

    As to whether she is innocent or guilty - I don't know. Leaning towards guilty with the pile of evidence as it is.

    As to whether the unit she was working in was a lethal shit show - quite possibly. It may have covered up her activities, after all.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,589
    WTF is this, spinner after tea with a massive spread field. Starting again after a break is really hard, you want pressure on.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,311
    Wtf are England playing at. This should have been over hours ago.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,644
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Malmesbury said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I don't know who is advising him, but they are terrible at their job.

    Wallace said the months since he was forced to step down from the BBC show had been “brutal” for him.

    “For a working-class man with a direct manner, modern broadcasting has become a dangerous place. I was the headline this time. But I won’t be the last. There will be more casualties if the BBC continues down this path, where protecting its legacy matters more than protecting people."

    The problem is that the law firms/consultancies that deal with problems need problem that is workable. At the moment, sexual assaults/impropriety like this is an open and shut case - his fries are done.

    It's when you see them working on other cases, that you see how this rolls, otherwise.

    "Yes, Mr X was involved in an altercation at the family home, with his wife*. Mr X is currently in the Priory, dealing with a complex psychological condition, involving substance dependency bought on by surgery and subsequent medical malpractise. Obviously, since he is on the treatment track, prosecution would not be in the public interest."

    *In hospital. For the 8th time.
    Didn't Andy Coulson work for Huw Edwards to do emergency PR. Until he got done for having the dodgy images, I think they had managed to at very least shut the situation down and got the media talking about the evils of the CurrantBun and push the whole he is having a mental breakdown (again) narrative, please be kind.
    There's a whole, very well paid, industry in this.

    Did you know that some professional insurances include such services?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,505
    MarqueeMark said:

    On topic, I think people are prepared to try anything to stop the boats.

    Even trusting the French.

    50 a week is a drop in the ocean in any case, people are easily pleased
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,741
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    turbotubbs said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

    A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

    Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

    In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

    That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...
    This case does seem to have brought together strange bedfellows who are very vocally both for and against. Private Eye doctor bloke never shuts up about it being a miscarriage of justice vs Spiked who are normally take the contrarian angle mock these people.

    I have to say I really don't know enough about the case.
    The Private Eye who told the world the MMR vaccine causes autism, if so, they can get in the fucking sea.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,500
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    turbotubbs said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

    A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

    Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

    In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

    That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...
    This case does seem to have brought together strange bedfellows who are very vocally both for and against. Private Eye doctor bloke never shuts up about it being a miscarriage of justice vs Spiked who are normally take the contrarian angle mock these people.

    I have to say I really don't know enough about the case.
    The Private Eye who told the world the MMR vaccine causes autism, if so, they can get in the fucking sea.
    They were very wrong on that one, but I think the current MD is more on the money. He was certainly good on covid.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,505
    turbotubbs said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    I don't know who is advising him, but they are terrible at their job.

    Wallace said the months since he was forced to step down from the BBC show had been “brutal” for him.

    “For a working-class man with a direct manner, modern broadcasting has become a dangerous place. I was the headline this time. But I won’t be the last. There will be more casualties if the BBC continues down this path, where protecting its legacy matters more than protecting people."

    My take on this is is that someone should have done something a long time ago. We have had Roger of this parish defend the 'celebs' behaviour in the wake of Me Too and I wonder if similar has gone on at the BBC. They do seem to revere their high profile stars.
    The celebs all seem to crawl out of the woodwork years later afyer some hooray has said some peasant spoke to them in a condescending manner. Why the feck don't they speak out at the time rather than wait 5 or 10 years.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,589
    edited July 14
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    turbotubbs said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

    A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

    Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

    In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

    That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...
    This case does seem to have brought together strange bedfellows who are very vocally both for and against. Private Eye doctor bloke never shuts up about it being a miscarriage of justice vs Spiked who are normally take the contrarian angle mock these people.

    I have to say I really don't know enough about the case.
    The Private Eye who told the world the MMR vaccine causes autism, if so, they can get in the fucking sea.
    The doctor bloke who has become obsessed by is the bloke who used to be the go to for the likes of the BBC for friendly face to explain medical news. He appears to have gone off the depth end like the Coast bloke did during COVID about vaccines.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,589
    Are England really trying to play for the new ball?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,801
    Cricket. Bloody hell
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,801
    edited July 14
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Are England really trying to play for the new ball?

    No
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,801
    Might nip out to buy a vacuum cleaner bag
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,311
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Are England really trying to play for the new ball?

    Must be, restrict India to under 185 and then try and get the final wicket within the first two or three overs with the new ball.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,801
    Yes. Retired hurt
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,243
    turbotubbs said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    turbotubbs said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

    A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

    Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

    In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

    That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...
    This case does seem to have brought together strange bedfellows who are very vocally both for and against. Private Eye doctor bloke never shuts up about it being a miscarriage of justice vs Spiked who are normally take the contrarian angle mock these people.

    I have to say I really don't know enough about the case.
    The Private Eye who told the world the MMR vaccine causes autism, if so, they can get in the fucking sea.
    They were very wrong on that one, but I think the current MD is more on the money. He was certainly good on covid.
    Afternoon all.

    I think Private Eye now hold their hands up over the MMR/autism story. I suspect they're a lot more careful now.
    And, AIUI, the guy who writes for them on these matters isn't the one who was conned by Wakefield.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,609
    Has Trump decided that war with Russia is the next big development in his reality tv show?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,801
    PBers will be pleased to here I am testing a colour scheme for my duvet/cushion combo and have stepped away from the TV
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,210
    What a way to win England
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,801
    OMG it fucking worked
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,044
    Finally!! 🏏
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,661
    edited July 14
    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1944778500696633478

    Trump to impose "very severe [secondary] tariffs" of 100% on Russia if no deal is reached "in 50 days."

    Lol. 50 days. Guess he was tired of the jokes about his two-week deadlines.

    I'm relieved that he's finally allowing Europeans to buy American weapons for Ukraine, but Trump is such a pathetic wet blanket. He makes Biden look strong, decisive and resolute.

    50 days takes us to September 2nd. That's almost the 60 days Putin said he needed to take the four oblasts, so perhaps the timescale suits Putin.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,947
    Malmesbury said:

    turbotubbs said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

    A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

    Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

    In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

    That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...
    It's hard to say which is less attractive - the clowns jumping onto the Free The Letby One Bus or the clowns going all Lord Denning.

    For me, it looks like some statistics have been tortured. Again. There needs to be some action on the problem of innumeracy among lawyers, it seems. Though the path to confirmation of what you believe, via maths, has been trodden by a number of brilliant minds.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Innumeracy-Mathematical-Illiteracy-Its-Consequences/dp/0670830089

    As to whether she is innocent or guilty - I don't know. Leaning towards guilty with the pile of evidence as it is.

    As to whether the unit she was working in was a lethal shit show - quite possibly. It may have covered up her activities, after all.
    I am one who is not convinced that the jury in two trials, and the Court of appeal twice have got it wrong. Obviously I am open to the further possibilities, otherwise there would be no point in the CCRC existing. It is going there right now, and they will have a mass of material to consider. The next likely point at which there will be something genuine to consider is if and when the CCRC send it back to the Court of Appeal.

    I don't think the Guardian item linked above adds anything of relevance. The most significant matter mentioned - about a medical procedure - was an issue in the trial.

    At risk of repetition, I note that in both trials the defence called no expert evidence. There are inevitably reasons for this, which Letby via her new lawyers has not made public; the unused material has not been made public either. It can't be done without her permission. It is privileged to her. This raises questions but not answers.

    Secondly, in practice Letby is either a multiple murderer or not a murderer at all. Any attack on the process has to show compellingly that there is a real problem with every conviction. This is an uphill task.

    No evidence I have seen so far shows that statistical data was used, misused or whatever. Assertions of fact about who was on duty at time X are factual, not statistical.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,589
    edited July 14
    Never in doubt ;-)
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,694
    Really nice to see the English players commiserate with Siraj.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,311
    Made a complete meal of that.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,741
    Shall I name and shame the PBers who criticised Ben Stokes for bowling Bashir?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,437
    What a fifth day.

    Test cricket, finest game in the world...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,589
    edited July 14
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Shall I name and shame the PBers who criticised Ben Stokes for bowling Bashir?

    Better to be lucky than good.

    They are saying broken finger, so won't play the rest of the series. Jack Leech off the bench?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,932
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

    A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

    Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

    In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

    Davies lost her job at Cheshire police in 2023 after a different review she conducted, which challenged the outcomes of two murder investigations. She consulted a small number of experts to further her research, and her report was leaked to the Sunday Times – not by her – then widely reported in the media, including by the Guardian.

    It all goes on in Cheshire. That detail doesn't mean she should be discounted, but I'd take anything she says with a pinch of salt.

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,311
    How did England not get this over and done with 3 hours ago, is the question thay needs answering. The top order fell very easily and then we couldn't get rid of India's tail who are all pretty shit at batting.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,801
    MarqueeMark said:

    What a fifth day.

    Test cricket, finest game in the world...

    When it’s like that - yes
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,437
    LostPassword said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1944778500696633478

    Trump to impose "very severe [secondary] tariffs" of 100% on Russia if no deal is reached "in 50 days."

    Lol. 50 days. Guess he was tired of the jokes about his two-week deadlines.

    I'm relieved that he's finally allowing Europeans to buy American weapons for Ukraine, but Trump is such a pathetic wet blanket. He makes Biden look strong, decisive and resolute.
    50 days for China and India to buy up all of Russia's oil stocks and give Putin a breathing space....
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,505
    algarkirk said:

    Malmesbury said:

    turbotubbs said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

    A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

    Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

    In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

    That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...
    It's hard to say which is less attractive - the clowns jumping onto the Free The Letby One Bus or the clowns going all Lord Denning.

    For me, it looks like some statistics have been tortured. Again. There needs to be some action on the problem of innumeracy among lawyers, it seems. Though the path to confirmation of what you believe, via maths, has been trodden by a number of brilliant minds.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Innumeracy-Mathematical-Illiteracy-Its-Consequences/dp/0670830089

    As to whether she is innocent or guilty - I don't know. Leaning towards guilty with the pile of evidence as it is.

    As to whether the unit she was working in was a lethal shit show - quite possibly. It may have covered up her activities, after all.
    I am one who is not convinced that the jury in two trials, and the Court of appeal twice have got it wrong. Obviously I am open to the further possibilities, otherwise there would be no point in the CCRC existing. It is going there right now, and they will have a mass of material to consider. The next likely point at which there will be something genuine to consider is if and when the CCRC send it back to the Court of Appeal.

    I don't think the Guardian item linked above adds anything of relevance. The most significant matter mentioned - about a medical procedure - was an issue in the trial.

    At risk of repetition, I note that in both trials the defence called no expert evidence. There are inevitably reasons for this, which Letby via her new lawyers has not made public; the unused material has not been made public either. It can't be done without her permission. It is privileged to her. This raises questions but not answers.

    Secondly, in practice Letby is either a multiple murderer or not a murderer at all. Any attack on the process has to show compellingly that there is a real problem with every conviction. This is an uphill task.

    No evidence I have seen so far shows that statistical data was used, misused or whatever. Assertions of fact about who was on duty at time X are factual, not statistical.
    The jury are only as good as the shit they are fed. More likely the scapegoat for the crap unit and everyone else covered their butts better, especially doctors etc
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,589
    edited July 14
    MaxPB said:

    How did England not get this over and done with 3 hours ago, is the question thay needs answering. The top order fell very easily and then we couldn't get rid of India's tail who are all pretty shit at batting.

    I fear because they have won it will be same team again (Leech for injured Bashir). When Crawley and Woakes at very least need to be replaced.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,705
    Never in doubt really lol
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,801
    We are just one world class bowler away from having a superb ashes winning team. No biggie
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,311
    Leon said:

    We are just one world class bowler away from having a superb ashes winning team. No biggie

    Ah yes, let's just go to the world class bowling tree and pick one off...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,437
    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1944778500696633478

    Trump to impose "very severe [secondary] tariffs" of 100% on Russia if no deal is reached "in 50 days."

    So what is wrong with the Senate bill for 500%?

    Spineless. The irony is, if he supported Ukraine against Russia he'd likely get that Nobel Peace Prize...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,589
    edited July 14
    Leon said:

    We are just one world class bowler away from having a superb ashes winning team. No biggie

    3 bowlers, an opener and a number 3 away....
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,661
    edited July 14
    MaxPB said:

    How did England not get this over and done with 3 hours ago, is the question thay needs answering. The top order fell very easily and then we couldn't get rid of India's tail who are all pretty shit at batting.

    Combination of the pitch and the ball going soft after 30 overs seems to be the explanation.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,801
    Stokes is incredible

    Only cost 2 runs per over. Took 3 wickets. Smacked some runs. Excellent captaincy
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,705
    Leon said:

    We are just one world class bowler away from having a superb ashes winning team. No biggie

    We need an opener, a spinner, Gus Atkinson for Woakes and Josh Hull or Ollie Robinson for Carse/Tongue and a spare three in case Pope goes full spaz
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,737
    MaxPB said:

    How did England not get this over and done with 3 hours ago, is the question thay needs answering. The top order fell very easily and then we couldn't get rid of India's tail who are all pretty shit at batting.

    From the comments on here, it sounded as though they were trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,589
    Leon said:

    Stokes is incredible

    Only cost 2 runs per over. Took 3 wickets. Smacked some runs. Excellent captaincy

    I worry about the amount of heavy lifting he is doing. He is consistently bowling the most or up there with the most overs.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,801
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Leon said:

    Stokes is incredible

    Only cost 2 runs per over. Took 3 wickets. Smacked some runs. Excellent captaincy

    I worry about the amount of heavy lifting he is doing. He is consistently bowling the most or up there with the most overs.
    He is ridiculous. A force of nature
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,705
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Leon said:

    Stokes is incredible

    Only cost 2 runs per over. Took 3 wickets. Smacked some runs. Excellent captaincy

    I worry about the amount of heavy lifting he is doing. He is consistently bowling the most or up there with the most overs.
    He should be an impact bowier bowling half the average load of the three main seamers
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,589
    edited July 14
    Leon said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Leon said:

    Stokes is incredible

    Only cost 2 runs per over. Took 3 wickets. Smacked some runs. Excellent captaincy

    I worry about the amount of heavy lifting he is doing. He is consistently bowling the most or up there with the most overs.
    He is ridiculous. A force of nature
    I heard a story from a guy who was down at some nets a couple of weeks before the start of the series and Stokes turned up to have a bat. He was there for hours and hours as 3 blokes whipped down the dog ball thingies, only stopping when they could do no more.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,437
    Won't be too disappointed if India win at Old Trafford and the series goes to a decider...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,705
    I give it till 2030 when we can finally let Sir James go ex directory and take a holiday safely
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,705
    MarqueeMark said:

    Won't be too disappointed if India win at Old Trafford and the series goes to a decider...

    Nah, 4-1 and Gill for 4 ducks
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,243
    MarqueeMark said:

    Won't be too disappointed if India win at Old Trafford and the series goes to a decider...

    Won't it rain at Old Trafford?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,250
    OldKingCole said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Won't be too disappointed if India win at Old Trafford and the series goes to a decider...

    Won't it rain at Old Trafford?
    What is rain?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,694
    MaxPB said:

    How did England not get this over and done with 3 hours ago, is the question thay needs answering. The top order fell very easily and then we couldn't get rid of India's tail who are all pretty shit at batting.

    Personally, I'd like to thank the England team. If they'd done as you'd asked, I wouldn't have got to watch England win.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,884
    Some good news for Starmer in that a plurality support his migrant boats deal with Macron. Though divide along party lines, Tory and Reform voters against, Labour and LDs in favour
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,644
    algarkirk said:

    Malmesbury said:

    turbotubbs said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

    A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

    Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

    In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

    That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...
    It's hard to say which is less attractive - the clowns jumping onto the Free The Letby One Bus or the clowns going all Lord Denning.

    For me, it looks like some statistics have been tortured. Again. There needs to be some action on the problem of innumeracy among lawyers, it seems. Though the path to confirmation of what you believe, via maths, has been trodden by a number of brilliant minds.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Innumeracy-Mathematical-Illiteracy-Its-Consequences/dp/0670830089

    As to whether she is innocent or guilty - I don't know. Leaning towards guilty with the pile of evidence as it is.

    As to whether the unit she was working in was a lethal shit show - quite possibly. It may have covered up her activities, after all.
    I am one who is not convinced that the jury in two trials, and the Court of appeal twice have got it wrong. Obviously I am open to the further possibilities, otherwise there would be no point in the CCRC existing. It is going there right now, and they will have a mass of material to consider. The next likely point at which there will be something genuine to consider is if and when the CCRC send it back to the Court of Appeal.

    I don't think the Guardian item linked above adds anything of relevance. The most significant matter mentioned - about a medical procedure - was an issue in the trial.

    At risk of repetition, I note that in both trials the defence called no expert evidence. There are inevitably reasons for this, which Letby via her new lawyers has not made public; the unused material has not been made public either. It can't be done without her permission. It is privileged to her. This raises questions but not answers.

    Secondly, in practice Letby is either a multiple murderer or not a murderer at all. Any attack on the process has to show compellingly that there is a real problem with every conviction. This is an uphill task.

    No evidence I have seen so far shows that statistical data was used, misused or whatever. Assertions of fact about who was on duty at time X are factual, not statistical.
    The on duty data was presented as statistics.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,932
    Malmesbury said:

    algarkirk said:

    Malmesbury said:

    turbotubbs said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

    A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

    Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

    In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

    That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...
    It's hard to say which is less attractive - the clowns jumping onto the Free The Letby One Bus or the clowns going all Lord Denning.

    For me, it looks like some statistics have been tortured. Again. There needs to be some action on the problem of innumeracy among lawyers, it seems. Though the path to confirmation of what you believe, via maths, has been trodden by a number of brilliant minds.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Innumeracy-Mathematical-Illiteracy-Its-Consequences/dp/0670830089

    As to whether she is innocent or guilty - I don't know. Leaning towards guilty with the pile of evidence as it is.

    As to whether the unit she was working in was a lethal shit show - quite possibly. It may have covered up her activities, after all.
    I am one who is not convinced that the jury in two trials, and the Court of appeal twice have got it wrong. Obviously I am open to the further possibilities, otherwise there would be no point in the CCRC existing. It is going there right now, and they will have a mass of material to consider. The next likely point at which there will be something genuine to consider is if and when the CCRC send it back to the Court of Appeal.

    I don't think the Guardian item linked above adds anything of relevance. The most significant matter mentioned - about a medical procedure - was an issue in the trial.

    At risk of repetition, I note that in both trials the defence called no expert evidence. There are inevitably reasons for this, which Letby via her new lawyers has not made public; the unused material has not been made public either. It can't be done without her permission. It is privileged to her. This raises questions but not answers.

    Secondly, in practice Letby is either a multiple murderer or not a murderer at all. Any attack on the process has to show compellingly that there is a real problem with every conviction. This is an uphill task.

    No evidence I have seen so far shows that statistical data was used, misused or whatever. Assertions of fact about who was on duty at time X are factual, not statistical.
    The on duty data was presented as statistics.
    What you mean is, multiple cases were tried with the same jury.

    One could argue that is not how it should be done, but, if you're the defendant, do you really want to have a different jury for every case?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,705
    edited July 14
    Not sure if posted earlier but Patrick Spencer MP entered a plea of not guilty to the s**** assault charges in court today and trial set for July next year
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,243
    edited July 14
    HYUFD said:

    Some good news for Starmer in that a plurality support his migrant boats deal with Macron. Though divide along party lines, Tory and Reform voters against, Labour and LDs in favour

    Some at least Reform voters would only he happy with machine gun nests set up on Dover Cliffs ready to stop any boats which got past the navy.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,705
    OldKingCole said:

    HYUFD said:

    Some good news for Starmer in that a plurality support his migrant boats deal with Macron. Though divide along party lines, Tory and Reform voters against, Labour and LDs in favour

    Some at least Reform voters would only he happy with machine gun nests set up on Dover Cliffs ready to stop any boats which got past the navy.
    Mine the beaches. Warmington on sea stand ready!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,589
    Interesting video,

    The graduate job market in the UK is becoming increasingly difficult, as job postings decrease and competition increases, exacerbating the over-qualification crisis. So in this video we'll look at this jobs crisis and why vacancies are continuing to fall.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjNKIEV87gI
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,589
    edited July 14
    Ben Healy claims Ireland's first yellow jersey since 1987
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,860
    wooliedyed said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Leon said:

    Stokes is incredible

    Only cost 2 runs per over. Took 3 wickets. Smacked some runs. Excellent captaincy

    I worry about the amount of heavy lifting he is doing. He is consistently bowling the most or up there with the most overs.
    He should be an impact bowier bowling half the average load of the three main seamers
    I think it was Mike Brearley who said that fast bowler captains tend to bowl themselves too much, not out of hubris but to make the point they weren't expecting of others what they are not prepared to do themselves. Also that fast bowler all-rounders gave too much of a load to effectively discharge captaincy as well
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,932
    West Indies remain the only team to win a test having batted second and tied the opposition's first innings:

    https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;innings_number=2;orderby=start;qualmax1=0;qualmin1=0;qualval1=lead;template=results;type=team;view=innings

    And I think this is the highest run chase of all time:

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/australia-tour-of-west-indies-2003-61389/west-indies-vs-australia-4th-test-64027/full-scorecard
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,243
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Interesting video,

    The graduate job market in the UK is becoming increasingly difficult, as job postings decrease and competition increases, exacerbating the over-qualification crisis. So in this video we'll look at this jobs crisis and why vacancies are continuing to fall.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjNKIEV87gI

    I strongly suspect three of my grandchildren, one working in OZ, one studying there and one (hopefully) about to, will stay there and not try UK.
    The elder two graduate grandchildren have good jobs in the UK so will probably stay.
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,337
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Interesting video,

    The graduate job market in the UK is becoming increasingly difficult, as job postings decrease and competition increases, exacerbating the over-qualification crisis. So in this video we'll look at this jobs crisis and why vacancies are continuing to fall.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjNKIEV87gI

    Many are leaving university to find jobs but only on minimum wage.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,121
    HYUFD said:

    Some good news for Starmer in that a plurality support his migrant boats deal with Macron. Though divide along party lines, Tory and Reform voters against, Labour and LDs in favour

    Even the Conservative polling isn't that bad; 38-52 is live-withable. The 55% strong opposition from Reform supporters is the standout figure.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,120
    JohnLilburne said:

    wooliedyed said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Leon said:

    Stokes is incredible

    Only cost 2 runs per over. Took 3 wickets. Smacked some runs. Excellent captaincy

    I worry about the amount of heavy lifting he is doing. He is consistently bowling the most or up there with the most overs.
    He should be an impact bowier bowling half the average load of the three main seamers
    I think it was Mike Brearley who said that fast bowler captains tend to bowl themselves too much, not out of hubris but to make the point they weren't expecting of others what they are not prepared to do themselves. Also that fast bowler all-rounders gave too much of a load to effectively discharge captaincy as well
    The first point seems to be right. Not so sure about the second.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,082
    Malmesbury said:

    turbotubbs said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

    A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

    Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

    In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

    That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...
    It's hard to say which is less attractive - the clowns jumping onto the Free The Letby One Bus or the clowns going all Lord Denning.

    For me, it looks like some statistics have been tortured. Again. There needs to be some action on the problem of innumeracy among lawyers, it seems. Though the path to confirmation of what you believe, via maths, has been trodden by a number of brilliant minds.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Innumeracy-Mathematical-Illiteracy-Its-Consequences/dp/0670830089

    As to whether she is innocent or guilty - I don't know. Leaning towards guilty with the pile of evidence as it is.

    As to whether the unit she was working in was a lethal shit show - quite possibly. It may have covered up her activities, after all.
    The prosecution case was not particularly statistical. No inferential stats were used. This is not a case about lawyer innumeracy. The difficult stuff was medical.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,037
    Stuartinromford said:

    HYUFD said:

    Some good news for Starmer in that a plurality support his migrant boats deal with Macron. Though divide along party lines, Tory and Reform voters against, Labour and LDs in favour

    Even the Conservative polling isn't that bad; 38-52 is live-withable. The 55% strong opposition from Reform supporters is the standout figure.
    PB Tories don't like it. Surely that is good enough?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,018
    tlg86 said:

    West Indies remain the only team to win a test having batted second and tied the opposition's first innings:

    https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;innings_number=2;orderby=start;qualmax1=0;qualmin1=0;qualval1=lead;template=results;type=team;view=innings

    And I think this is the highest run chase of all time:

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/australia-tour-of-west-indies-2003-61389/west-indies-vs-australia-4th-test-64027/full-scorecard

    But we're glad to say, we're in the UK
    West Indian batsmen can bat all day :lol:
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,018
    OldKingCole said:

    HYUFD said:

    Some good news for Starmer in that a plurality support his migrant boats deal with Macron. Though divide along party lines, Tory and Reform voters against, Labour and LDs in favour

    Some at least Reform voters would only he happy with machine gun nests set up on Dover Cliffs ready to stop any boats which got past the navy.
    It stopped the Germans!!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,252
    Nigelb said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1944778500696633478

    Trump to impose "very severe [secondary] tariffs" of 100% on Russia if no deal is reached "in 50 days."

    Meaningless. What "secondary" tariffs ?
    Since Russia is supposed to be trade sanctioned, tariffs ought to be pretty well irrelevant.

    And fifty days ?

    Just another deadline to go past, as he has with the previous two or three.
    The Russian verdict is in.

    The Moscow Stock Exchange index surged after Trump's announcement on Russia sanctions.
    https://x.com/P_Kallioniemi/status/1944798627127345483
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,644
    wooliedyed said:

    OldKingCole said:

    HYUFD said:

    Some good news for Starmer in that a plurality support his migrant boats deal with Macron. Though divide along party lines, Tory and Reform voters against, Labour and LDs in favour

    Some at least Reform voters would only he happy with machine gun nests set up on Dover Cliffs ready to stop any boats which got past the navy.
    Mine the beaches. Warmington on sea stand ready!
    Amusing isn’t it? - people working themselves up about theoretical attacks on immigrants.

    But not a whisper when the Italian and Greek governments have already drowned boatloads.

    And the EU has paid for this




  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,218
    Stocky said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Interesting video,

    The graduate job market in the UK is becoming increasingly difficult, as job postings decrease and competition increases, exacerbating the over-qualification crisis. So in this video we'll look at this jobs crisis and why vacancies are continuing to fall.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjNKIEV87gI

    Many are leaving university to find jobs but only on minimum wage.
    Which can still be above the threshold to hit the 9% extra income tax rate.

    £25k and the threshold is frozen for years to come still, is not a "high" income.

    Indeed, work 40 hours per week and minimum wage alone takes you above that threshold. Ridiculous.

    A few more years of the threshold frozen and NMW rising and we'll have people working minimum wage on 35-37.5 hours per week paying 9% extra income tax on their minimum wage job.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,218
    JohnLilburne said:

    wooliedyed said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Leon said:

    Stokes is incredible

    Only cost 2 runs per over. Took 3 wickets. Smacked some runs. Excellent captaincy

    I worry about the amount of heavy lifting he is doing. He is consistently bowling the most or up there with the most overs.
    He should be an impact bowier bowling half the average load of the three main seamers
    I think it was Mike Brearley who said that fast bowler captains tend to bowl themselves too much, not out of hubris but to make the point they weren't expecting of others what they are not prepared to do themselves. Also that fast bowler all-rounders gave too much of a load to effectively discharge captaincy as well
    Well on the latter point I think he's very wrong when it comes to Stokes. Stokes may want to lead from the front, and there's nothing wrong with that, but he absolutely can and does effectively discharge his role as captain.
  • novanova Posts: 861
    Stuartinromford said:

    HYUFD said:

    Some good news for Starmer in that a plurality support his migrant boats deal with Macron. Though divide along party lines, Tory and Reform voters against, Labour and LDs in favour

    Even the Conservative polling isn't that bad; 38-52 is live-withable. The 55% strong opposition from Reform supporters is the standout figure.
    It would have been interesting to know how many actually think it will bring down numbers. If people just prefer the 'fairness' of this, then that's already a win for Labour. I'm sure they're hoping it gets ramped up following the pilot, and becomes an actual deterrent.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,214
    Melania has got to him.

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1944785242075840909

    Trump on Putin: “I go home and I tell the First Lady, ‘you know I spoke to Putin today, we had a wonderful conversation,’ she says ‘oh really? Another [Ukrainian] city was just hit.’”
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,793
    Reform council leader urges Labour to reconsider curbs on care worker visas

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/14/reform-council-leader-labour-reconsider-visa-tightening-care-workers
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