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FrancisUrquhart

England are going to lose here if there wasn't a break. Tea coming in an over is very helpful though.

Fairliered

FrancisUrquhart said:

England are going to lose here if there wasn't a break. Tea coming in an over is very helpful though.

Can someone please slip something in Jadeja’s tea?

Pulpstar

How much tea will Jadeja and Siraj actually eat ? Not going to be wanting to digest a huge portion of fish and chips lol.

FrancisUrquhart

DavidL said:

This bowling attack really won't do down under.

Unfortunately, the talent is thin as talent among the Tory party. Hence why we have a 36 year bloke who hasn't played any red ball cricket all year and barely sending it down at more than 80mph opening the bowling.

MarqueeMark

On topic, I think people are prepared to try anything to stop the boats.

Even trusting the French.

Malmesbury

Fairliered said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

England are going to lose here if there wasn't a break. Tea coming in an over is very helpful though.

Can someone please slip something in Jadeja’s tea?

Surely immure @Leon in his bathroom?

MarqueeMark

This game goes to the final session....

FrancisUrquhart

MarqueeMark said:

This game goes to the final session....

India bat for the draw?

Pulpstar

Match making it past tea must have been well odds against at the start of the day.

Pulpstar

FrancisUrquhart said:

MarqueeMark said:

This game goes to the final session....

India bat for the draw?

Would snap your hand off for it if they could get a draw but still very unlikely with the new ball due in 10 overs.

Having said that I've put a quid on it at 700-1.

FrancisUrquhart

I don't know who is advising him, but they are terrible at their job.

Wallace said the months since he was forced to step down from the BBC show had been “brutal” for him.

“For a working-class man with a direct manner, modern broadcasting has become a dangerous place. I was the headline this time. But I won’t be the last. There will be more casualties if the BBC continues down this path, where protecting its legacy matters more than protecting people."

TheScreamingEagles

FrancisUrquhart said:

I don't know who is advising him, but they are terrible at their job.

Wallace said the months since he was forced to step down from the BBC show had been “brutal” for him.

“For a working-class man with a direct manner, modern broadcasting has become a dangerous place. I was the headline this time. But I won’t be the last. There will be more casualties if the BBC continues down this path, where protecting its legacy matters more than protecting people."

Ugh, class warfare again, I hate the working classes who think their ‘class’ gives them a free pass for their shit behaviour.

eek

FrancisUrquhart said:

I don't know who is advising him, but they are terrible at their job.

Wallace said the months since he was forced to step down from the BBC show had been “brutal” for him.

“For a working-class man with a direct manner, modern broadcasting has become a dangerous place. I was the headline this time. But I won’t be the last. There will be more casualties if the BBC continues down this path, where protecting its legacy matters more than protecting people."

I suspect the issue is that he’s sought out anyone who didn’t immediately tell him - your only sane option is to disappear from the public view forever,

Going back on this supposedly there is a whole series of Masterchef that’s been recorded and is waiting to be shown. Given when and how Greg was kicked off the “inside the factory” series I have to ask why that series was filmed last year with Greg involved

turbotubbs

FrancisUrquhart said:

I don't know who is advising him, but they are terrible at their job.

Wallace said the months since he was forced to step down from the BBC show had been “brutal” for him.

“For a working-class man with a direct manner, modern broadcasting has become a dangerous place. I was the headline this time. But I won’t be the last. There will be more casualties if the BBC continues down this path, where protecting its legacy matters more than protecting people."

My take on this is is that someone should have done something a long time ago. We have had Roger of this parish defend the 'celebs' behaviour in the wake of Me Too and I wonder if similar has gone on at the BBC. They do seem to revere their high profile stars.

FrancisUrquhart

CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

Malmesbury

FrancisUrquhart said:

I don't know who is advising him, but they are terrible at their job.

Wallace said the months since he was forced to step down from the BBC show had been “brutal” for him.

“For a working-class man with a direct manner, modern broadcasting has become a dangerous place. I was the headline this time. But I won’t be the last. There will be more casualties if the BBC continues down this path, where protecting its legacy matters more than protecting people."

The problem is that the law firms/consultancies that deal with problems need problem that is workable. At the moment, sexual assaults/impropriety like this is an open and shut case - his fries are done.

It's when you see them working on other cases, that you see how this rolls, otherwise.

"Yes, Mr X was involved in an altercation at the family home, with his wife*. Mr X is currently in the Priory, dealing with a complex psychological condition, involving substance dependency bought on by surgery and subsequent medical malpractise. Obviously, since he is on the treatment track, prosecution would not be in the public interest."

*In hospital. For the 8th time.

turbotubbs

FrancisUrquhart said:

CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...

FrancisUrquhart

Malmesbury said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I don't know who is advising him, but they are terrible at their job.

Wallace said the months since he was forced to step down from the BBC show had been “brutal” for him.

“For a working-class man with a direct manner, modern broadcasting has become a dangerous place. I was the headline this time. But I won’t be the last. There will be more casualties if the BBC continues down this path, where protecting its legacy matters more than protecting people."

The problem is that the law firms/consultancies that deal with problems need problem that is workable. At the moment, sexual assaults/impropriety like this is an open and shut case - his fries are done.

It's when you see them working on other cases, that you see how this rolls, otherwise.

"Yes, Mr X was involved in an altercation at the family home, with his wife*. Mr X is currently in the Priory, dealing with a complex psychological condition, involving substance dependency bought on by surgery and subsequent medical malpractise. Obviously, since he is on the treatment track, prosecution would not be in the public interest."

*In hospital. For the 8th time.

Didn't Andy Coulson work for Huw Edwards to do emergency PR. Until he got done for having the dodgy images, I think they had managed to at very least shut the situation down and got the media talking about the evils of the CurrantBun and push the whole he is having a mental breakdown (again) narrative, please be kind.

williamglenn

https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1944778500696633478

Trump to impose "very severe [secondary] tariffs" of 100% on Russia if no deal is reached "in 50 days."

FrancisUrquhart

turbotubbs said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...

This case does seem to have brought together strange bedfellows who are very vocally both for and against. Private Eye doctor bloke never shuts up about it being a miscarriage of justice vs Spiked who are normally take the contrarian angle mock these people.

I have to say I really don't know enough about the case.

Malmesbury

turbotubbs said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...

It's hard to say which is less attractive - the clowns jumping onto the Free The Letby One Bus or the clowns going all Lord Denning.

For me, it looks like some statistics have been tortured. Again. There needs to be some action on the problem of innumeracy among lawyers, it seems. Though the path to confirmation of what you believe, via maths, has been trodden by a number of brilliant minds.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Innumeracy-Mathematical-Illiteracy-Its-Consequences/dp/0670830089

As to whether she is innocent or guilty - I don't know. Leaning towards guilty with the pile of evidence as it is.

As to whether the unit she was working in was a lethal shit show - quite possibly. It may have covered up her activities, after all.

FrancisUrquhart

WTF is this, spinner after tea with a massive spread field. Starting again after a break is really hard, you want pressure on.

MaxPB

Wtf are England playing at. This should have been over hours ago.

Malmesbury

FrancisUrquhart said:

Malmesbury said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I don't know who is advising him, but they are terrible at their job.

Wallace said the months since he was forced to step down from the BBC show had been “brutal” for him.

“For a working-class man with a direct manner, modern broadcasting has become a dangerous place. I was the headline this time. But I won’t be the last. There will be more casualties if the BBC continues down this path, where protecting its legacy matters more than protecting people."

The problem is that the law firms/consultancies that deal with problems need problem that is workable. At the moment, sexual assaults/impropriety like this is an open and shut case - his fries are done.

It's when you see them working on other cases, that you see how this rolls, otherwise.

"Yes, Mr X was involved in an altercation at the family home, with his wife*. Mr X is currently in the Priory, dealing with a complex psychological condition, involving substance dependency bought on by surgery and subsequent medical malpractise. Obviously, since he is on the treatment track, prosecution would not be in the public interest."

*In hospital. For the 8th time.

Didn't Andy Coulson work for Huw Edwards to do emergency PR. Until he got done for having the dodgy images, I think they had managed to at very least shut the situation down and got the media talking about the evils of the CurrantBun and push the whole he is having a mental breakdown (again) narrative, please be kind.

There's a whole, very well paid, industry in this.

Did you know that some professional insurances include such services?

malcolmg

MarqueeMark said:

On topic, I think people are prepared to try anything to stop the boats.

Even trusting the French.

50 a week is a drop in the ocean in any case, people are easily pleased

TheScreamingEagles

FrancisUrquhart said:

turbotubbs said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...

This case does seem to have brought together strange bedfellows who are very vocally both for and against. Private Eye doctor bloke never shuts up about it being a miscarriage of justice vs Spiked who are normally take the contrarian angle mock these people.

I have to say I really don't know enough about the case.

The Private Eye who told the world the MMR vaccine causes autism, if so, they can get in the fucking sea.

turbotubbs

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

turbotubbs said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...

This case does seem to have brought together strange bedfellows who are very vocally both for and against. Private Eye doctor bloke never shuts up about it being a miscarriage of justice vs Spiked who are normally take the contrarian angle mock these people.

I have to say I really don't know enough about the case.

The Private Eye who told the world the MMR vaccine causes autism, if so, they can get in the fucking sea.

They were very wrong on that one, but I think the current MD is more on the money. He was certainly good on covid.

malcolmg

turbotubbs said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I don't know who is advising him, but they are terrible at their job.

Wallace said the months since he was forced to step down from the BBC show had been “brutal” for him.

“For a working-class man with a direct manner, modern broadcasting has become a dangerous place. I was the headline this time. But I won’t be the last. There will be more casualties if the BBC continues down this path, where protecting its legacy matters more than protecting people."

My take on this is is that someone should have done something a long time ago. We have had Roger of this parish defend the 'celebs' behaviour in the wake of Me Too and I wonder if similar has gone on at the BBC. They do seem to revere their high profile stars.

The celebs all seem to crawl out of the woodwork years later afyer some hooray has said some peasant spoke to them in a condescending manner. Why the feck don't they speak out at the time rather than wait 5 or 10 years.

FrancisUrquhart

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

turbotubbs said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...

This case does seem to have brought together strange bedfellows who are very vocally both for and against. Private Eye doctor bloke never shuts up about it being a miscarriage of justice vs Spiked who are normally take the contrarian angle mock these people.

I have to say I really don't know enough about the case.

The Private Eye who told the world the MMR vaccine causes autism, if so, they can get in the fucking sea.

The doctor bloke who has become obsessed by is the bloke who used to be the go to for the likes of the BBC for friendly face to explain medical news. He appears to have gone off the depth end like the Coast bloke did during COVID about vaccines.

FrancisUrquhart

Are England really trying to play for the new ball?

Leon

Cricket. Bloody hell

Leon

FrancisUrquhart said:

Are England really trying to play for the new ball?

No

Leon

Might nip out to buy a vacuum cleaner bag

MaxPB

FrancisUrquhart said:

Are England really trying to play for the new ball?

Must be, restrict India to under 185 and then try and get the final wicket within the first two or three overs with the new ball.

Leon

Yes. Retired hurt

OldKingCole

turbotubbs said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

turbotubbs said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...

This case does seem to have brought together strange bedfellows who are very vocally both for and against. Private Eye doctor bloke never shuts up about it being a miscarriage of justice vs Spiked who are normally take the contrarian angle mock these people.

I have to say I really don't know enough about the case.

The Private Eye who told the world the MMR vaccine causes autism, if so, they can get in the fucking sea.

They were very wrong on that one, but I think the current MD is more on the money. He was certainly good on covid.

Afternoon all.

I think Private Eye now hold their hands up over the MMR/autism story. I suspect they're a lot more careful now.
And, AIUI, the guy who writes for them on these matters isn't the one who was conned by Wakefield.

RochdalePioneers

Has Trump decided that war with Russia is the next big development in his reality tv show?

Leon

PBers will be pleased to here I am testing a colour scheme for my duvet/cushion combo and have stepped away from the TV

Big_G_NorthWales

What a way to win England

Leon

OMG it fucking worked

Sandpit

Finally!! 🏏

LostPassword

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1944778500696633478

Trump to impose "very severe [secondary] tariffs" of 100% on Russia if no deal is reached "in 50 days."

Lol. 50 days. Guess he was tired of the jokes about his two-week deadlines.

I'm relieved that he's finally allowing Europeans to buy American weapons for Ukraine, but Trump is such a pathetic wet blanket. He makes Biden look strong, decisive and resolute.

50 days takes us to September 2nd. That's almost the 60 days Putin said he needed to take the four oblasts, so perhaps the timescale suits Putin.

algarkirk

Malmesbury said:

turbotubbs said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...

It's hard to say which is less attractive - the clowns jumping onto the Free The Letby One Bus or the clowns going all Lord Denning.

For me, it looks like some statistics have been tortured. Again. There needs to be some action on the problem of innumeracy among lawyers, it seems. Though the path to confirmation of what you believe, via maths, has been trodden by a number of brilliant minds.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Innumeracy-Mathematical-Illiteracy-Its-Consequences/dp/0670830089

As to whether she is innocent or guilty - I don't know. Leaning towards guilty with the pile of evidence as it is.

As to whether the unit she was working in was a lethal shit show - quite possibly. It may have covered up her activities, after all.

I am one who is not convinced that the jury in two trials, and the Court of appeal twice have got it wrong. Obviously I am open to the further possibilities, otherwise there would be no point in the CCRC existing. It is going there right now, and they will have a mass of material to consider. The next likely point at which there will be something genuine to consider is if and when the CCRC send it back to the Court of Appeal.

I don't think the Guardian item linked above adds anything of relevance. The most significant matter mentioned - about a medical procedure - was an issue in the trial.

At risk of repetition, I note that in both trials the defence called no expert evidence. There are inevitably reasons for this, which Letby via her new lawyers has not made public; the unused material has not been made public either. It can't be done without her permission. It is privileged to her. This raises questions but not answers.

Secondly, in practice Letby is either a multiple murderer or not a murderer at all. Any attack on the process has to show compellingly that there is a real problem with every conviction. This is an uphill task.

No evidence I have seen so far shows that statistical data was used, misused or whatever. Assertions of fact about who was on duty at time X are factual, not statistical.

FrancisUrquhart

Never in doubt ;-)

rcs1000

Really nice to see the English players commiserate with Siraj.

MaxPB

Made a complete meal of that.

TheScreamingEagles

Shall I name and shame the PBers who criticised Ben Stokes for bowling Bashir?

MarqueeMark

What a fifth day.

Test cricket, finest game in the world...

FrancisUrquhart

TheScreamingEagles said:

Shall I name and shame the PBers who criticised Ben Stokes for bowling Bashir?

Better to be lucky than good.

They are saying broken finger, so won't play the rest of the series. Jack Leech off the bench?

tlg86

FrancisUrquhart said:

CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

Davies lost her job at Cheshire police in 2023 after a different review she conducted, which challenged the outcomes of two murder investigations. She consulted a small number of experts to further her research, and her report was leaked to the Sunday Times – not by her – then widely reported in the media, including by the Guardian.

It all goes on in Cheshire. That detail doesn't mean she should be discounted, but I'd take anything she says with a pinch of salt.

MaxPB

How did England not get this over and done with 3 hours ago, is the question thay needs answering. The top order fell very easily and then we couldn't get rid of India's tail who are all pretty shit at batting.

Leon

MarqueeMark said:

What a fifth day.

Test cricket, finest game in the world...

When it’s like that - yes

MarqueeMark

LostPassword said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1944778500696633478

Trump to impose "very severe [secondary] tariffs" of 100% on Russia if no deal is reached "in 50 days."

Lol. 50 days. Guess he was tired of the jokes about his two-week deadlines.

I'm relieved that he's finally allowing Europeans to buy American weapons for Ukraine, but Trump is such a pathetic wet blanket. He makes Biden look strong, decisive and resolute.

50 days for China and India to buy up all of Russia's oil stocks and give Putin a breathing space....

malcolmg

algarkirk said:

Malmesbury said:

turbotubbs said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...

It's hard to say which is less attractive - the clowns jumping onto the Free The Letby One Bus or the clowns going all Lord Denning.

For me, it looks like some statistics have been tortured. Again. There needs to be some action on the problem of innumeracy among lawyers, it seems. Though the path to confirmation of what you believe, via maths, has been trodden by a number of brilliant minds.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Innumeracy-Mathematical-Illiteracy-Its-Consequences/dp/0670830089

As to whether she is innocent or guilty - I don't know. Leaning towards guilty with the pile of evidence as it is.

As to whether the unit she was working in was a lethal shit show - quite possibly. It may have covered up her activities, after all.

I am one who is not convinced that the jury in two trials, and the Court of appeal twice have got it wrong. Obviously I am open to the further possibilities, otherwise there would be no point in the CCRC existing. It is going there right now, and they will have a mass of material to consider. The next likely point at which there will be something genuine to consider is if and when the CCRC send it back to the Court of Appeal.

I don't think the Guardian item linked above adds anything of relevance. The most significant matter mentioned - about a medical procedure - was an issue in the trial.

At risk of repetition, I note that in both trials the defence called no expert evidence. There are inevitably reasons for this, which Letby via her new lawyers has not made public; the unused material has not been made public either. It can't be done without her permission. It is privileged to her. This raises questions but not answers.

Secondly, in practice Letby is either a multiple murderer or not a murderer at all. Any attack on the process has to show compellingly that there is a real problem with every conviction. This is an uphill task.

No evidence I have seen so far shows that statistical data was used, misused or whatever. Assertions of fact about who was on duty at time X are factual, not statistical.

The jury are only as good as the shit they are fed. More likely the scapegoat for the crap unit and everyone else covered their butts better, especially doctors etc

FrancisUrquhart

MaxPB said:

How did England not get this over and done with 3 hours ago, is the question thay needs answering. The top order fell very easily and then we couldn't get rid of India's tail who are all pretty shit at batting.

I fear because they have won it will be same team again (Leech for injured Bashir). When Crawley and Woakes at very least need to be replaced.

wooliedyed

Never in doubt really lol

Leon

We are just one world class bowler away from having a superb ashes winning team. No biggie

MaxPB

Leon said:

We are just one world class bowler away from having a superb ashes winning team. No biggie

Ah yes, let's just go to the world class bowling tree and pick one off...

MarqueeMark

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1944778500696633478

Trump to impose "very severe [secondary] tariffs" of 100% on Russia if no deal is reached "in 50 days."

So what is wrong with the Senate bill for 500%?

Spineless. The irony is, if he supported Ukraine against Russia he'd likely get that Nobel Peace Prize...

FrancisUrquhart

Leon said:

We are just one world class bowler away from having a superb ashes winning team. No biggie

3 bowlers, an opener and a number 3 away....

LostPassword

MaxPB said:

How did England not get this over and done with 3 hours ago, is the question thay needs answering. The top order fell very easily and then we couldn't get rid of India's tail who are all pretty shit at batting.

Combination of the pitch and the ball going soft after 30 overs seems to be the explanation.

Leon

Stokes is incredible

Only cost 2 runs per over. Took 3 wickets. Smacked some runs. Excellent captaincy

wooliedyed

Leon said:

We are just one world class bowler away from having a superb ashes winning team. No biggie

We need an opener, a spinner, Gus Atkinson for Woakes and Josh Hull or Ollie Robinson for Carse/Tongue and a spare three in case Pope goes full spaz

AnneJGP

MaxPB said:

How did England not get this over and done with 3 hours ago, is the question thay needs answering. The top order fell very easily and then we couldn't get rid of India's tail who are all pretty shit at batting.

From the comments on here, it sounded as though they were trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

FrancisUrquhart

Leon said:

Stokes is incredible

Only cost 2 runs per over. Took 3 wickets. Smacked some runs. Excellent captaincy

I worry about the amount of heavy lifting he is doing. He is consistently bowling the most or up there with the most overs.

Leon

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

Stokes is incredible

Only cost 2 runs per over. Took 3 wickets. Smacked some runs. Excellent captaincy

I worry about the amount of heavy lifting he is doing. He is consistently bowling the most or up there with the most overs.

He is ridiculous. A force of nature

wooliedyed

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

Stokes is incredible

Only cost 2 runs per over. Took 3 wickets. Smacked some runs. Excellent captaincy

I worry about the amount of heavy lifting he is doing. He is consistently bowling the most or up there with the most overs.

He should be an impact bowier bowling half the average load of the three main seamers

FrancisUrquhart

Leon said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

Stokes is incredible

Only cost 2 runs per over. Took 3 wickets. Smacked some runs. Excellent captaincy

I worry about the amount of heavy lifting he is doing. He is consistently bowling the most or up there with the most overs.

He is ridiculous. A force of nature

I heard a story from a guy who was down at some nets a couple of weeks before the start of the series and Stokes turned up to have a bat. He was there for hours and hours as 3 blokes whipped down the dog ball thingies, only stopping when they could do no more.

MarqueeMark

Won't be too disappointed if India win at Old Trafford and the series goes to a decider...

wooliedyed

I give it till 2030 when we can finally let Sir James go ex directory and take a holiday safely

wooliedyed

MarqueeMark said:

Won't be too disappointed if India win at Old Trafford and the series goes to a decider...

Nah, 4-1 and Gill for 4 ducks

OldKingCole

MarqueeMark said:

Won't be too disappointed if India win at Old Trafford and the series goes to a decider...

Won't it rain at Old Trafford?

Scott_xP

OldKingCole said:

MarqueeMark said:

Won't be too disappointed if India win at Old Trafford and the series goes to a decider...

Won't it rain at Old Trafford?

What is rain?

rcs1000

MaxPB said:

How did England not get this over and done with 3 hours ago, is the question thay needs answering. The top order fell very easily and then we couldn't get rid of India's tail who are all pretty shit at batting.

Personally, I'd like to thank the England team. If they'd done as you'd asked, I wouldn't have got to watch England win.

HYUFD

Some good news for Starmer in that a plurality support his migrant boats deal with Macron. Though divide along party lines, Tory and Reform voters against, Labour and LDs in favour

Malmesbury

algarkirk said:

Malmesbury said:

turbotubbs said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...

It's hard to say which is less attractive - the clowns jumping onto the Free The Letby One Bus or the clowns going all Lord Denning.

For me, it looks like some statistics have been tortured. Again. There needs to be some action on the problem of innumeracy among lawyers, it seems. Though the path to confirmation of what you believe, via maths, has been trodden by a number of brilliant minds.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Innumeracy-Mathematical-Illiteracy-Its-Consequences/dp/0670830089

As to whether she is innocent or guilty - I don't know. Leaning towards guilty with the pile of evidence as it is.

As to whether the unit she was working in was a lethal shit show - quite possibly. It may have covered up her activities, after all.

I am one who is not convinced that the jury in two trials, and the Court of appeal twice have got it wrong. Obviously I am open to the further possibilities, otherwise there would be no point in the CCRC existing. It is going there right now, and they will have a mass of material to consider. The next likely point at which there will be something genuine to consider is if and when the CCRC send it back to the Court of Appeal.

I don't think the Guardian item linked above adds anything of relevance. The most significant matter mentioned - about a medical procedure - was an issue in the trial.

At risk of repetition, I note that in both trials the defence called no expert evidence. There are inevitably reasons for this, which Letby via her new lawyers has not made public; the unused material has not been made public either. It can't be done without her permission. It is privileged to her. This raises questions but not answers.

Secondly, in practice Letby is either a multiple murderer or not a murderer at all. Any attack on the process has to show compellingly that there is a real problem with every conviction. This is an uphill task.

No evidence I have seen so far shows that statistical data was used, misused or whatever. Assertions of fact about who was on duty at time X are factual, not statistical.

The on duty data was presented as statistics.

tlg86

Malmesbury said:

algarkirk said:

Malmesbury said:

turbotubbs said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...

It's hard to say which is less attractive - the clowns jumping onto the Free The Letby One Bus or the clowns going all Lord Denning.

For me, it looks like some statistics have been tortured. Again. There needs to be some action on the problem of innumeracy among lawyers, it seems. Though the path to confirmation of what you believe, via maths, has been trodden by a number of brilliant minds.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Innumeracy-Mathematical-Illiteracy-Its-Consequences/dp/0670830089

As to whether she is innocent or guilty - I don't know. Leaning towards guilty with the pile of evidence as it is.

As to whether the unit she was working in was a lethal shit show - quite possibly. It may have covered up her activities, after all.

I am one who is not convinced that the jury in two trials, and the Court of appeal twice have got it wrong. Obviously I am open to the further possibilities, otherwise there would be no point in the CCRC existing. It is going there right now, and they will have a mass of material to consider. The next likely point at which there will be something genuine to consider is if and when the CCRC send it back to the Court of Appeal.

I don't think the Guardian item linked above adds anything of relevance. The most significant matter mentioned - about a medical procedure - was an issue in the trial.

At risk of repetition, I note that in both trials the defence called no expert evidence. There are inevitably reasons for this, which Letby via her new lawyers has not made public; the unused material has not been made public either. It can't be done without her permission. It is privileged to her. This raises questions but not answers.

Secondly, in practice Letby is either a multiple murderer or not a murderer at all. Any attack on the process has to show compellingly that there is a real problem with every conviction. This is an uphill task.

No evidence I have seen so far shows that statistical data was used, misused or whatever. Assertions of fact about who was on duty at time X are factual, not statistical.

The on duty data was presented as statistics.

What you mean is, multiple cases were tried with the same jury.

One could argue that is not how it should be done, but, if you're the defendant, do you really want to have a different jury for every case?

wooliedyed

Not sure if posted earlier but Patrick Spencer MP entered a plea of not guilty to the s**** assault charges in court today and trial set for July next year

OldKingCole

HYUFD said:

Some good news for Starmer in that a plurality support his migrant boats deal with Macron. Though divide along party lines, Tory and Reform voters against, Labour and LDs in favour

Some at least Reform voters would only he happy with machine gun nests set up on Dover Cliffs ready to stop any boats which got past the navy.

wooliedyed

OldKingCole said:

HYUFD said:

Some good news for Starmer in that a plurality support his migrant boats deal with Macron. Though divide along party lines, Tory and Reform voters against, Labour and LDs in favour

Some at least Reform voters would only he happy with machine gun nests set up on Dover Cliffs ready to stop any boats which got past the navy.

Mine the beaches. Warmington on sea stand ready!

FrancisUrquhart

Interesting video,

The graduate job market in the UK is becoming increasingly difficult, as job postings decrease and competition increases, exacerbating the over-qualification crisis. So in this video we'll look at this jobs crisis and why vacancies are continuing to fall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjNKIEV87gI

FrancisUrquhart

Ben Healy claims Ireland's first yellow jersey since 1987

JohnLilburne

wooliedyed said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

Stokes is incredible

Only cost 2 runs per over. Took 3 wickets. Smacked some runs. Excellent captaincy

I worry about the amount of heavy lifting he is doing. He is consistently bowling the most or up there with the most overs.

He should be an impact bowier bowling half the average load of the three main seamers

I think it was Mike Brearley who said that fast bowler captains tend to bowl themselves too much, not out of hubris but to make the point they weren't expecting of others what they are not prepared to do themselves. Also that fast bowler all-rounders gave too much of a load to effectively discharge captaincy as well

tlg86

West Indies remain the only team to win a test having batted second and tied the opposition's first innings:

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;innings_number=2;orderby=start;qualmax1=0;qualmin1=0;qualval1=lead;template=results;type=team;view=innings

And I think this is the highest run chase of all time:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/australia-tour-of-west-indies-2003-61389/west-indies-vs-australia-4th-test-64027/full-scorecard

OldKingCole

FrancisUrquhart said:

Interesting video,

The graduate job market in the UK is becoming increasingly difficult, as job postings decrease and competition increases, exacerbating the over-qualification crisis. So in this video we'll look at this jobs crisis and why vacancies are continuing to fall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjNKIEV87gI

I strongly suspect three of my grandchildren, one working in OZ, one studying there and one (hopefully) about to, will stay there and not try UK.
The elder two graduate grandchildren have good jobs in the UK so will probably stay.

Stocky

FrancisUrquhart said:

Interesting video,

The graduate job market in the UK is becoming increasingly difficult, as job postings decrease and competition increases, exacerbating the over-qualification crisis. So in this video we'll look at this jobs crisis and why vacancies are continuing to fall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjNKIEV87gI

Many are leaving university to find jobs but only on minimum wage.

Nigelb

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1944778500696633478

Trump to impose "very severe [secondary] tariffs" of 100% on Russia if no deal is reached "in 50 days."

Meaningless. What "secondary" tariffs ?
Since Russia is supposed to be trade sanctioned, tariffs ought to be pretty well irrelevant.

And fifty days ?

Just another deadline to go past, as he has with the previous two or three.

Stuartinromford

HYUFD said:

Some good news for Starmer in that a plurality support his migrant boats deal with Macron. Though divide along party lines, Tory and Reform voters against, Labour and LDs in favour

Even the Conservative polling isn't that bad; 38-52 is live-withable. The 55% strong opposition from Reform supporters is the standout figure.

Flatlander

JohnLilburne said:

wooliedyed said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

Stokes is incredible

Only cost 2 runs per over. Took 3 wickets. Smacked some runs. Excellent captaincy

I worry about the amount of heavy lifting he is doing. He is consistently bowling the most or up there with the most overs.

He should be an impact bowier bowling half the average load of the three main seamers

I think it was Mike Brearley who said that fast bowler captains tend to bowl themselves too much, not out of hubris but to make the point they weren't expecting of others what they are not prepared to do themselves. Also that fast bowler all-rounders gave too much of a load to effectively discharge captaincy as well

The first point seems to be right. Not so sure about the second.

bondegezou

Malmesbury said:

turbotubbs said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

CH4 / Guardian now giving airing to Lucy Letby is innocent narrative....

A senior coroner’s officer who first reviewed the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester hospital for Cheshire police in 2017 now believes Lucy Letby has suffered a miscarriage of justice.

Stephanie Davies, who was given three hours to carry out her review, was told it was key to detectives deciding to commence an investigation into the former neonatal nurse.

In her first interview, with the Guardian and Channel 4 News, Davies said she had become increasingly alarmed since December, when she learned that the hospital doctors had not reported a key medical procedure on one of the babies to the coroner at the time. She has since found the explanations of new medical experts, who have publicly contested the prosecution arguments, compelling.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/14/former-senior-coroners-officer-says-lucy-letby-has-suffered-miscarriage-of-justice

That'll mess with some on here - its not just the racist right wingers who think the case might be a bit dodgy...

It's hard to say which is less attractive - the clowns jumping onto the Free The Letby One Bus or the clowns going all Lord Denning.

For me, it looks like some statistics have been tortured. Again. There needs to be some action on the problem of innumeracy among lawyers, it seems. Though the path to confirmation of what you believe, via maths, has been trodden by a number of brilliant minds.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Innumeracy-Mathematical-Illiteracy-Its-Consequences/dp/0670830089

As to whether she is innocent or guilty - I don't know. Leaning towards guilty with the pile of evidence as it is.

As to whether the unit she was working in was a lethal shit show - quite possibly. It may have covered up her activities, after all.

The prosecution case was not particularly statistical. No inferential stats were used. This is not a case about lawyer innumeracy. The difficult stuff was medical.

Mexicanpete

Stuartinromford said:

HYUFD said:

Some good news for Starmer in that a plurality support his migrant boats deal with Macron. Though divide along party lines, Tory and Reform voters against, Labour and LDs in favour

Even the Conservative polling isn't that bad; 38-52 is live-withable. The 55% strong opposition from Reform supporters is the standout figure.

PB Tories don't like it. Surely that is good enough?

Sunil_Prasannan

tlg86 said:

West Indies remain the only team to win a test having batted second and tied the opposition's first innings:

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;innings_number=2;orderby=start;qualmax1=0;qualmin1=0;qualval1=lead;template=results;type=team;view=innings

And I think this is the highest run chase of all time:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/australia-tour-of-west-indies-2003-61389/west-indies-vs-australia-4th-test-64027/full-scorecard

But we're glad to say, we're in the UK
West Indian batsmen can bat all day

Sunil_Prasannan

OldKingCole said:

HYUFD said:

Some good news for Starmer in that a plurality support his migrant boats deal with Macron. Though divide along party lines, Tory and Reform voters against, Labour and LDs in favour

Some at least Reform voters would only he happy with machine gun nests set up on Dover Cliffs ready to stop any boats which got past the navy.

It stopped the Germans!!

Nigelb

Nigelb said:

williamglenn said:

https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1944778500696633478

Trump to impose "very severe [secondary] tariffs" of 100% on Russia if no deal is reached "in 50 days."

Meaningless. What "secondary" tariffs ?
Since Russia is supposed to be trade sanctioned, tariffs ought to be pretty well irrelevant.

And fifty days ?

Just another deadline to go past, as he has with the previous two or three.

The Russian verdict is in.

The Moscow Stock Exchange index surged after Trump's announcement on Russia sanctions.
https://x.com/P_Kallioniemi/status/1944798627127345483

Malmesbury

wooliedyed said:

OldKingCole said:

HYUFD said:

Some good news for Starmer in that a plurality support his migrant boats deal with Macron. Though divide along party lines, Tory and Reform voters against, Labour and LDs in favour

Some at least Reform voters would only he happy with machine gun nests set up on Dover Cliffs ready to stop any boats which got past the navy.

Mine the beaches. Warmington on sea stand ready!

Amusing isn’t it? - people working themselves up about theoretical attacks on immigrants.

But not a whisper when the Italian and Greek governments have already drowned boatloads.

And the EU has paid for this

BartholomewRoberts

Stocky said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Interesting video,

The graduate job market in the UK is becoming increasingly difficult, as job postings decrease and competition increases, exacerbating the over-qualification crisis. So in this video we'll look at this jobs crisis and why vacancies are continuing to fall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjNKIEV87gI

Many are leaving university to find jobs but only on minimum wage.

Which can still be above the threshold to hit the 9% extra income tax rate.

£25k and the threshold is frozen for years to come still, is not a "high" income.

Indeed, work 40 hours per week and minimum wage alone takes you above that threshold. Ridiculous.

A few more years of the threshold frozen and NMW rising and we'll have people working minimum wage on 35-37.5 hours per week paying 9% extra income tax on their minimum wage job.

BartholomewRoberts

JohnLilburne said:

wooliedyed said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Leon said:

Stokes is incredible

Only cost 2 runs per over. Took 3 wickets. Smacked some runs. Excellent captaincy

I worry about the amount of heavy lifting he is doing. He is consistently bowling the most or up there with the most overs.

He should be an impact bowier bowling half the average load of the three main seamers

I think it was Mike Brearley who said that fast bowler captains tend to bowl themselves too much, not out of hubris but to make the point they weren't expecting of others what they are not prepared to do themselves. Also that fast bowler all-rounders gave too much of a load to effectively discharge captaincy as well

Well on the latter point I think he's very wrong when it comes to Stokes. Stokes may want to lead from the front, and there's nothing wrong with that, but he absolutely can and does effectively discharge his role as captain.

nova

Stuartinromford said:

HYUFD said:

Some good news for Starmer in that a plurality support his migrant boats deal with Macron. Though divide along party lines, Tory and Reform voters against, Labour and LDs in favour

Even the Conservative polling isn't that bad; 38-52 is live-withable. The 55% strong opposition from Reform supporters is the standout figure.

It would have been interesting to know how many actually think it will bring down numbers. If people just prefer the 'fairness' of this, then that's already a win for Labour. I'm sure they're hoping it gets ramped up following the pilot, and becomes an actual deterrent.

williamglenn

Melania has got to him.

https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/1944785242075840909

Trump on Putin: “I go home and I tell the First Lady, ‘you know I spoke to Putin today, we had a wonderful conversation,’ she says ‘oh really? Another [Ukrainian] city was just hit.’”

rottenborough

Reform council leader urges Labour to reconsider curbs on care worker visas

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/14/reform-council-leader-labour-reconsider-visa-tightening-care-workers