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Kemi Badenoch isn’t very effective – politicalbetting.com

Reform UK is the party Britons are most likely to say has provided the most effective opposition to the Labour government, amid former Tory chair Jake Berry defecting to Reform UK, saying they were the 'real opposition'Reform UK: 30%Conservatives: 19%Lib Dems: 10%yougov.co.uk/topics/polit…

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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,180
    First! Unlike Kemi
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,154
    Good morning

    The biggest moment of peril for Badenoch is next May's Senedd and Holyrood elections

    On present polling she will have little choice but to resign or be replaced
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,835
    She quite frequently sets the agenda. Her problem is that whenever she does, it is on topics that remind voters that the Tories also failed to resolve them, so whilst they might be put off by Labour they go Reform/LD/don't vote or green in order instead.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,835
    Italy have qualified for the cricket T20 world cup! Mamma mia, bravo.....
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,618
    From header: ...replaced as Tory leader by Robert Jenrick and one of the reasons is Robert Jenrick can set the agenda in a way Badenoch cannot

    Rob J this week unleashed his inner Boris with a tweet surely conceived for the side of a bus:-

    Yesterday a young man was murdered in broad daylight for his watch.

    And now Starmer is on the verge of giving killers a 70% reduction on the full sentence.

    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1943304159719239931
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,835

    From header: ...replaced as Tory leader by Robert Jenrick and one of the reasons is Robert Jenrick can set the agenda in a way Badenoch cannot

    Rob J this week unleashed his inner Boris with a tweet surely conceived for the side of a bus:-

    Yesterday a young man was murdered in broad daylight for his watch.

    And now Starmer is on the verge of giving killers a 70% reduction on the full sentence.

    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1943304159719239931

    How many prisons did he build when in power? How many cuts in police and justice budgets did he support?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,736
    Reform may currently seem effective and may have a few ideas that would actually be effective in government, but the object lesson of Mr Trump over the water would be enough to frighten me away from Reform in this country.

    Mr Trump has done maybe a few things I'd call good but at what a price. ISTM we're deep into lesser of two evils territory with our UK politics now.
  • Smart51Smart51 Posts: 76

    She quite frequently sets the agenda. Her problem is that whenever she does, it is on topics that remind voters that the Tories also failed to resolve them

    From header: Rob J this week unleashed his inner Boris with a tweet surely conceived for the side of a bus:-

    Yesterday a young man was murdered in broad daylight for his watch.

    And now Starmer is on the verge of giving killers a 70% reduction on the full sentence.

    The Tory government were warned that they would run out of prison places by the end of the year unless they did something to fix the problem. All they did was make a speech. The reason Starmer is having to reduce sentences is because the Tories did nothing to fix the prisons problem.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,698
    OK, now for some Saturday morning entertainment.

    Against stiff competition, this is probably the most laughable conspiracy theory I've read online, certainly in a while. Other than the comic idiocy of the post, there's no indication that the writer is being ironic.

    The subject is the Titanic:

    "The only opposition against creation of Federal Reserve (one of the main roots of financial enslavement system still today). Those people died there, that's why this "accident" happened. Fools don't know it had nothing to do with non-existent "ice berg"..."
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,835
    AnneJGP said:

    Reform may currently seem effective and may have a few ideas that would actually be effective in government, but the object lesson of Mr Trump over the water would be enough to frighten me away from Reform in this country.

    Mr Trump has done maybe a few things I'd call good but at what a price. ISTM we're deep into lesser of two evils territory with our UK politics now.

    Reform's biggest issue as we get closer to an election is going to be personnel. Pre-election campaign it can all be done by Farage who can easily cope. But as we get close to a decision voters will want an idea of some of the people likely to be Chancellor, Foreign Secretary, in charge of health or education too.

    Will they be Tory re-treads or unknown and without parliamentary experience? Both come with risks that could sway some voters away.
  • GadflyGadfly Posts: 1,205
    Oli Fletcher of ‘Farming Explained’ visits one of PB’s regulars at his Cumbrian hill farm…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j65t7TwIunE
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,814
    She's LOTO, its a really crap job.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,618
    edited 7:40AM
    Smart51 said:

    She quite frequently sets the agenda. Her problem is that whenever she does, it is on topics that remind voters that the Tories also failed to resolve them

    From header: Rob J this week unleashed his inner Boris with a tweet surely conceived for the side of a bus:-

    Yesterday a young man was murdered in broad daylight for his watch.

    And now Starmer is on the verge of giving killers a 70% reduction on the full sentence.

    The Tory government were warned that they would run out of prison places by the end of the year unless they did something to fix the problem. All they did was make a speech. The reason Starmer is having to reduce sentences is because the Tories did nothing to fix the prisons problem.
    Ah, but pause to admire that figure of ‘70%’ – the cynically exaggerated half-truth based no doubt on the theory that it either stands unopposed or drags opponents onto your turf.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,439

    AnneJGP said:

    Reform may currently seem effective and may have a few ideas that would actually be effective in government, but the object lesson of Mr Trump over the water would be enough to frighten me away from Reform in this country.

    Mr Trump has done maybe a few things I'd call good but at what a price. ISTM we're deep into lesser of two evils territory with our UK politics now.

    Reform's biggest issue as we get closer to an election is going to be personnel. Pre-election campaign it can all be done by Farage who can easily cope. But as we get close to a decision voters will want an idea of some of the people likely to be Chancellor, Foreign Secretary, in charge of health or education too.

    Will they be Tory re-treads or unknown and without parliamentary experience? Both come with risks that could sway some voters away.
    Morning, PB.

    Yes, as we get closer to an election I predict this will become more and more of an issue, for previous Tory voters. There's a fair proportion of Reform candidates who are ultra authoritarian/conspiracy loons, and, if the current polls are borne out, there could end up being hundreds of them in parliament.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,230
    Well, this explains a lot...

    In a new paper published earlier this year in the Journal of Marketing, we uncovered a surprising pattern: The more knowledge people have about AI and how it works, the less likely they are to embrace it. People in countries with lower average AI literacy tended to be more open to adopting AI compared to those in countries with higher literacy levels. Then, across six additional studies involving thousands of U.S.-based participants—including undergraduate students and online samples selected to be representative of the U.S. in terms of age, gender, ethnicity, and regional distribution—we consistently found that lower AI literacy predicts greater receptivity to AI.

    https://hbr.org/2025/07/why-understanding-ai-doesnt-necessarily-lead-people-to-embrace-it
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,814
    Fishing said:

    OK, now for some Saturday morning entertainment.

    Against stiff competition, this is probably the most laughable conspiracy theory I've read online, certainly in a while. Other than the comic idiocy of the post, there's no indication that the writer is being ironic.

    The subject is the Titanic:

    "The only opposition against creation of Federal Reserve (one of the main roots of financial enslavement system still today). Those people died there, that's why this "accident" happened. Fools don't know it had nothing to do with non-existent "ice berg"..."

    I vaguely remember an early Asimov story about fairies where it was mentioned in passing it had taken the entire community to make their island look like an iceberg to explain the Titanic. That was a lot more sensible than this one.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,192
    DavidL said:

    She's LOTO, its a really crap job.

    But given that is her job, she's doing it really badly.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,205
    Smart51 said:

    She quite frequently sets the agenda. Her problem is that whenever she does, it is on topics that remind voters that the Tories also failed to resolve them

    From header: Rob J this week unleashed his inner Boris with a tweet surely conceived for the side of a bus:-

    Yesterday a young man was murdered in broad daylight for his watch.

    And now Starmer is on the verge of giving killers a 70% reduction on the full sentence.

    The Tory government were warned that they would run out of prison places by the end of the year unless they did something to fix the problem. All they did was make a speech. The reason Starmer is having to reduce sentences is because the Tories did nothing to fix the prisons problem.
    Labour have been in office for over a year now. What have they actually done in that time to build more prison places?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,180
    edited 7:50AM

    AnneJGP said:

    Reform may currently seem effective and may have a few ideas that would actually be effective in government, but the object lesson of Mr Trump over the water would be enough to frighten me away from Reform in this country.

    Mr Trump has done maybe a few things I'd call good but at what a price. ISTM we're deep into lesser of two evils territory with our UK politics now.

    Reform's biggest issue as we get closer to an election is going to be personnel. Pre-election campaign it can all be done by Farage who can easily cope. But as we get close to a decision voters will want an idea of some of the people likely to be Chancellor, Foreign Secretary, in charge of health or education too.

    Will they be Tory re-treads or unknown and without parliamentary experience? Both come with risks that could sway some voters away.
    Morning, PB.

    Yes, as we get closer to an election I predict this will become more and more of an issue, for previous Tory voters. There's a fair proportion of Reform candidates who are ultra authoritarian/conspiracy loons, and, if the current polls are borne out, there could end up being hundreds of them in parliament.
    And not enough spaces in prison for some at least of them afterwards?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,835

    Smart51 said:

    She quite frequently sets the agenda. Her problem is that whenever she does, it is on topics that remind voters that the Tories also failed to resolve them

    From header: Rob J this week unleashed his inner Boris with a tweet surely conceived for the side of a bus:-

    Yesterday a young man was murdered in broad daylight for his watch.

    And now Starmer is on the verge of giving killers a 70% reduction on the full sentence.

    The Tory government were warned that they would run out of prison places by the end of the year unless they did something to fix the problem. All they did was make a speech. The reason Starmer is having to reduce sentences is because the Tories did nothing to fix the prisons problem.
    Labour have been in office for over a year now. What have they actually done in that time to build more prison places?
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/thousands-of-new-prison-places-to-be-built-to-keep-streets-safe
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,224
    edited 7:53AM
    Good morning everyone.

    FPT:

    MattW said:

    carnforth said:

    MattW said:
    One missing piece of information in the story is what on earth the husband was doing for income? If the illness is fake, he should have been working. Keeping up the mortgage on a 250000 house shouldn't have been too hard even with two low incomes - and recoverable even with the alleged fraud.

    Middle class people with low incomes are a fascinating breed.
    I don't know - I had never heard of them, despite seven figures of sales since 2018.

    The latest book has been delayed. The statement is very blurb:

    On Winter Hill sees Winn undertake the Coast to Coast walk in northern England, this time alone. “Despite 45 years of walking together, setbacks in her husband, Moth’s, health have led him to see his decline as inevitable, which Raynor refuses to accept”, according to the publisher’s description. “Feeling trapped, she is drawn north, like a migratory bird, seeking the peace and hope that walking brings her”.

    The Coast to Coast is a great walk, but it's only 70 miles. Was not @JosiasJessop planning to do it on a pushbike in one day?
    Nah, and certainly not on a pushbike!

    For some reason the C-to-c is one trail I've got little interest in doing. I've walked all the national trails, aside from the Southern Upland, the Yorkshire Wolds, and a couple of recentish extensions to other trails, but the coast-to-coast leaves me cold. I don't know why.

    When I was walking past St Bees Head on my coastal walk, I met some people descending the cliffs. They said proudly they'd just walked from Robin Hood's Bay in a couple of weeks. I replied I'd just come from there in ?five? months, but had come around the long way...

    The question is whether I need to do the English Coastal Path when it opens - I've walked the coast before, but that wouldn't have been the 'official' trail, so probably doesn't count... ;)
    I did the coast to coast thirty odd years ago before it had become so ridiculously well known.

    It was longer than 70 miles that's for sure.

    Has the route changed?
    We (OK - me) may be at cross-purposes.

    My 70 miles is the approximate length of Hadrian's Wall, which I have always treated as the Coast to Coast walk since a friend did it the week after his University Course finished. And I don't really see the point in a "coast-to-coast" which is longer than necessary; that's like building the Panama Canal through Belize, Guatemala and Mexico.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,582

    Smart51 said:

    She quite frequently sets the agenda. Her problem is that whenever she does, it is on topics that remind voters that the Tories also failed to resolve them

    From header: Rob J this week unleashed his inner Boris with a tweet surely conceived for the side of a bus:-

    Yesterday a young man was murdered in broad daylight for his watch.

    And now Starmer is on the verge of giving killers a 70% reduction on the full sentence.

    The Tory government were warned that they would run out of prison places by the end of the year unless they did something to fix the problem. All they did was make a speech. The reason Starmer is having to reduce sentences is because the Tories did nothing to fix the prisons problem.
    Labour have been in office for over a year now. What have they actually done in that time to build more prison places?
    The problem is the elaborate process that has accreted around all possible actions.

    It will take a decade to create new prison places. Probably longer.

    The whole reason that migrants are being put in hotels is this - all the other options were blocked or would take a decade. Of interest is the reaction by some a bit anger at the use of hotels. But anger that the government can “just do this, in days, without time for proper enquirues.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 18,192
    edited 8:01AM

    Smart51 said:

    She quite frequently sets the agenda. Her problem is that whenever she does, it is on topics that remind voters that the Tories also failed to resolve them

    From header: Rob J this week unleashed his inner Boris with a tweet surely conceived for the side of a bus:-

    Yesterday a young man was murdered in broad daylight for his watch.

    And now Starmer is on the verge of giving killers a 70% reduction on the full sentence.

    The Tory government were warned that they would run out of prison places by the end of the year unless they did something to fix the problem. All they did was make a speech. The reason Starmer is having to reduce sentences is because the Tories did nothing to fix the prisons problem.
    Labour have been in office for over a year now. What have they actually done in that time to build more prison places?
    What if building more prisons isn't a particularly good idea? England already has a high incarceration rate and a higher than average victimisation rate compared with its peers. This view, which appears to be the unspoken consensus amongst those dealing with the issue, doesn't fit well with a Jenrick soundbite obvs.

    Edit not just Jenrick. Labour too are guilty of promising a more prison policy they probably don't believe in.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,814
    FF43 said:

    DavidL said:

    She's LOTO, its a really crap job.

    But given that is her job, she's doing it really badly.
    The only ones I remember doing it well were Cameron and Blair. They both found things to say that allowed them to set the agenda (Blair especially), they both used humour and ridicule effectively, they both had an effective and reliable second in command to share the load and they both had the advantage of taking on tired governments. Kemi has few, if any, of these advantages although this government is ageing fast.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,881
    Morning all :)

    I may be in a minority of one on here but I think Kemi Badenoch is growing into the role a little and her poor start has been replaced by a more competent performance of late.

    Unfortunately, the inepititude and incompetence of the last Conservative Government is as several millstones round her neck and as Thursday's by-election results showed, the challenge of Reform has left her party looking out of touch, out of date and out of time with such activists as remain demoralised. Look at the numbers from Woking and Wealden - two areas which were strongly Conservative not too long ago.

    She is further hampered by having been part of the problem and it's hard when you've been part of the problem to be part of the solution. It took the election of David Cameron for the Conservative Party to escape the shadow of what had gone before.

    As others have said, there's a space for a party to be honest with the electorate about the public finances but that honesty has to start with a substantial mea culpa regarding how we got into this mess and that includes the Covid response from Sunak and Hunt's pre-election NI cuts. Acknowledging you got things wrong is the first stage toward getting things right but Stride has to explain, if we are to balance the books, how this will happen, what will be cut, which taxes will be raised, the future of the Triple Lock, commitments on defence expenditure etc and that will involve saying a lot of things people don't want to hear now.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,102
    edited 8:01AM
    DavidL said:

    Smart51 said:

    She quite frequently sets the agenda. Her problem is that whenever she does, it is on topics that remind voters that the Tories also failed to resolve them

    From header: Rob J this week unleashed his inner Boris with a tweet surely conceived for the side of a bus:-

    Yesterday a young man was murdered in broad daylight for his watch.

    And now Starmer is on the verge of giving killers a 70% reduction on the full sentence.

    The Tory government were warned that they would run out of prison places by the end of the year unless they did something to fix the problem. All they did was make a speech. The reason Starmer is having to reduce sentences is because the Tories did nothing to fix the prisons problem.
    Labour have been in office for over a year now. What have they actually done in that time to build more prison places?
    You think its just housing, infrastructure, investment and development that our ridiculous planning system holds up? Interesting.

    There was a bit on PM on Thursday, I think, which explained that the additional regulator brought in after Grenfell to check buildings more than 18m high was holding up all such developments UK wide for more than a year because the regulator was "under resourced". We are our own worse enemies so often.
    The New prison at Gartree near Market Harbrough has started construction for 1700 Cat B prisoners, and will be 4 years before it opens. It required Gove to over rule the planning objections. So even one already approved is not going to be open this parliament.

    We do seem to have a system of absurdly long sentences made reasonable by 70% off. Its like a criminal justice system using the Carpetright business model.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,205
    DavidL said:

    Smart51 said:

    She quite frequently sets the agenda. Her problem is that whenever she does, it is on topics that remind voters that the Tories also failed to resolve them

    From header: Rob J this week unleashed his inner Boris with a tweet surely conceived for the side of a bus:-

    Yesterday a young man was murdered in broad daylight for his watch.

    And now Starmer is on the verge of giving killers a 70% reduction on the full sentence.

    The Tory government were warned that they would run out of prison places by the end of the year unless they did something to fix the problem. All they did was make a speech. The reason Starmer is having to reduce sentences is because the Tories did nothing to fix the prisons problem.
    Labour have been in office for over a year now. What have they actually done in that time to build more prison places?
    You think its just housing, infrastructure, investment and development that our ridiculous planning system holds up? Interesting.

    There was a bit on PM on Thursday, I think, which explained that the additional regulator brought in after Grenfell to check buildings more than 18m high was holding up all such developments UK wide for more than a year because the regulator was "under resourced". We are our own worse enemies so often.
    Indeed. The whole planning system is a disaster that needs tearing up, which they could and should have done already and would need to, in order to meet the targets such as 1.5 million homes which is why I lent them my vote.

    But instead, nothing. Just repeated announcements that it will happen. At some point. Supposedly. Without a date.

    Check the link from noneoftheabove, yet another announcement that planning 'will be changed' but no actual changes happened yet.

    What the frig are they waiting for? It's on the never, never. Just change it already and get started.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,180
    And incidentally the public toilet next to that war memorial, which I dutifully used yesterday, has been voted the most beautiful toilet building in the world (which I guess is a relatively low bar?):

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/uredd-rest-area-ureddplassen
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,835
    edited 8:03AM
    DavidL said:

    FF43 said:

    DavidL said:

    She's LOTO, its a really crap job.

    But given that is her job, she's doing it really badly.
    The only ones I remember doing it well were Cameron and Blair. They both found things to say that allowed them to set the agenda (Blair especially), they both used humour and ridicule effectively, they both had an effective and reliable second in command to share the load and they both had the advantage of taking on tired governments. Kemi has few, if any, of these advantages although this government is ageing fast.
    They also had party support from being a lot time out of power and eventually fed up of party in fighting. Which also benefitted Starmer as LOTO. It is clear there is not much love or support for Kemi within her own senior ranks.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,814
    Foxy said:

    DavidL said:

    Smart51 said:

    She quite frequently sets the agenda. Her problem is that whenever she does, it is on topics that remind voters that the Tories also failed to resolve them

    From header: Rob J this week unleashed his inner Boris with a tweet surely conceived for the side of a bus:-

    Yesterday a young man was murdered in broad daylight for his watch.

    And now Starmer is on the verge of giving killers a 70% reduction on the full sentence.

    The Tory government were warned that they would run out of prison places by the end of the year unless they did something to fix the problem. All they did was make a speech. The reason Starmer is having to reduce sentences is because the Tories did nothing to fix the prisons problem.
    Labour have been in office for over a year now. What have they actually done in that time to build more prison places?
    You think its just housing, infrastructure, investment and development that our ridiculous planning system holds up? Interesting.

    There was a bit on PM on Thursday, I think, which explained that the additional regulator brought in after Grenfell to check buildings more than 18m high was holding up all such developments UK wide for more than a year because the regulator was "under resourced". We are our own worse enemies so often.
    The New prison at Gartree near Market Harbrough has started construction for 1700 Cat B prisoners, and will be 4 years before it opens. It required Gove to over rule the planning objections. So even one already approved is not going to be open this parliament.

    We do seem to have a system of absurdly long sentences made reasonably by 70% off. Its like a criminal justice system using the Carpetright business model.
    Contrary to popular perception sentences have increased markedly over the last 20 years. This has been aggravated by minimum sentences and other gimmicks that politicians have introduced to show how "tough" on crime they are. For murders, punishment periods creep inexorably upward. Very little thought is given to the costs, the management of such prisoners, or the utility of such long sentences in terms of rehabilitation. Institutionalised criminals are released (eventually) back into a community they have lost their connections with with minimal support resulting, inevitably, in a revolving door which simply adds to the problem.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,607

    From header: ...replaced as Tory leader by Robert Jenrick and one of the reasons is Robert Jenrick can set the agenda in a way Badenoch cannot

    Rob J this week unleashed his inner Boris with a tweet surely conceived for the side of a bus:-

    Yesterday a young man was murdered in broad daylight for his watch.

    And now Starmer is on the verge of giving killers a 70% reduction on the full sentence.

    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1943304159719239931

    How many prisons did he build when in power? How many cuts in police and justice budgets did he support?
    This is always going to be the problem not just he, but the Tories have.

    It’s great they’re wise in opposition. They weren’t so wise in govt.

    People see through it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,607
    edited 8:09AM

    The contrast between year one of Starmer's government and year one of Blair's is quite telling.

    Within the first 12 months Blair had passed many changes that he wanted. Devolution, BoE independence, minimum wage etc etc etc all happened in the first 12 months.

    What the hell has Starmer done? Announcements that planning will be changed. Announcements that this, that or the other will happen.

    Where are the changes? We could have had a new planning system in place by now.

    Starmer is the sort of dull plodder who’d arrange a meeting to discuss a meeting.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,835

    The contrast between year one of Starmer's government and year one of Blair's is quite telling.

    Within the first 12 months Blair had passed many changes that he wanted. Devolution, BoE independence, minimum wage etc etc etc all happened in the first 12 months.

    What the hell has Starmer done? Announcements that planning will be changed. Announcements that this, that or the other will happen.

    Where are the changes? We could have had a new planning system in place by now.

    They are certainly too timid and cautious. I kind of think they are on the right track in some policy areas but that they themselves are uncertain and lack belief in what they need to change, so end up neither going fast enough nor far enough.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,618

    The contrast between year one of Starmer's government and year one of Blair's is quite telling.

    Within the first 12 months Blair had passed many changes that he wanted. Devolution, BoE independence, minimum wage etc etc etc all happened in the first 12 months.

    What the hell has Starmer done? Announcements that planning will be changed. Announcements that this, that or the other will happen.

    Where are the changes? We could have had a new planning system in place by now.

    Perhaps Starmer fell for the Tory myth – which bizarrely also became a Blairite myth – that Blair's government achieved nothing.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,607

    The contrast between year one of Starmer's government and year one of Blair's is quite telling.

    Within the first 12 months Blair had passed many changes that he wanted. Devolution, BoE independence, minimum wage etc etc etc all happened in the first 12 months.

    What the hell has Starmer done? Announcements that planning will be changed. Announcements that this, that or the other will happen.

    Where are the changes? We could have had a new planning system in place by now.

    They are certainly too timid and cautious. I kind of think they are on the right track in some policy areas but that they themselves are uncertain and lack belief in what they need to change, so end up neither going fast enough nor far enough.
    I’d agree with this. They talk a good game but that’s all.

    They’ve squandered the first year but it’s not irredeemable. They still have four years, they need to make the next year count.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,276
    IanB2 said:

    And incidentally the public toilet next to that war memorial, which I dutifully used yesterday, has been voted the most beautiful toilet building in the world (which I guess is a relatively low bar?):

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/uredd-rest-area-ureddplassen

    Suspicious lack of interior shots. Pieces of atrophied chewing gum jostling the toilet cubes in the pissoir, toilet roll holders that refuse to dispense toilet roll and an overwhelming smell of Rakfisk?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,205
    Taz said:

    The contrast between year one of Starmer's government and year one of Blair's is quite telling.

    Within the first 12 months Blair had passed many changes that he wanted. Devolution, BoE independence, minimum wage etc etc etc all happened in the first 12 months.

    What the hell has Starmer done? Announcements that planning will be changed. Announcements that this, that or the other will happen.

    Where are the changes? We could have had a new planning system in place by now.

    Starmer is the sort of dull plodder who’d arrange a meeting to discuss a meeting.
    Not before there's been a meeting to discuss how the announcement of the meeting to discuss the meeting will proceed.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,224
    edited 8:15AM
    IanB2 said:

    Anyhow, here’s a tiny bit of WW2 history I came across yesterday, which I doubt anyone here knows; I certainly didn’t. A memorial to the 42 dead of Operation Seagull - SOE commandos and the crew of a Norwegian submarine - which had it succeeded, might by now have been depicted in film (at least one of the guys was a veteran from the well-known sabotage raid on the Norwegian heavy water plant).

    Sadly the submarine set off on its mission - taking the commandos to destroy the power plant of a mining operation near the Swedish border - but simply disappeared. In 1985 they found it at the bottom of the ocean, the wreckage indicating that it had hit a German mine. The British had advised the Norwegians before the mission of the route, believed to be clear of mines, but this minefield had been very recently laid. Norway’s King unveiled the memorial, on the shore nearest the site of the wreckage, in 1987. D4S as usual.


    Not an operation I had heard of, but it's interesting that it was quite late in the war - 1943.

    I have not even seen that mentioned in histories about SOE.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,180
    edited 8:18AM

    IanB2 said:

    And incidentally the public toilet next to that war memorial, which I dutifully used yesterday, has been voted the most beautiful toilet building in the world (which I guess is a relatively low bar?):

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/uredd-rest-area-ureddplassen

    Suspicious lack of interior shots. Pieces of atrophied chewing gum jostling the toilet cubes in the pissoir, toilet roll holders that refuse to dispense toilet roll and an overwhelming smell of Rakfisk?
    They’re normally concrete and stainless steel, and pretty clean and functional.

    The biggest problem they have is dodgy camper van users unloading their chemical toilets into them - the first one I used yesterday in Lofoten was completely blocked and I’d guess that was why. Up here on the tourist trail, the area attracts a fair few numpties, sadly. Not long off the ferry, we were held up waiting to get past a stranded VW camper van, which some bright spark had decided to reverse off the road (or was crap in doing a three pointer) whereupon the rear wheels had sunk into the roadside ditch.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,648
    Morning all.
    The view of Badenoch is poll-led. And whether she is replaced during 2026 will be equally poll-led - both VI and the May Locals and Wales/Scotland. She will need the Tories to perform relatively better than this year in the locals retain some councils, get minimum fourth in Scotland and Wales but that be a fourth in touching distance of third (or third itself) and win a mayoralty - Essex or Norfolk/Suffolk (Lowe might save them here if his group support a Reform spoiler candidate)
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,108
    The Conservatives leaving for Reform are just rats leaving the sinking ship. No matter what party they are in, they'll still be rats - which will be Farage's issue.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,582

    The contrast between year one of Starmer's government and year one of Blair's is quite telling.

    Within the first 12 months Blair had passed many changes that he wanted. Devolution, BoE independence, minimum wage etc etc etc all happened in the first 12 months.

    What the hell has Starmer done? Announcements that planning will be changed. Announcements that this, that or the other will happen.

    Where are the changes? We could have had a new planning system in place by now.

    Perhaps Starmer fell for the Tory myth – which bizarrely also became a Blairite myth – that Blair's government achieved nothing.
    He fell for the myth that the last government was causing all the problems by not doing Proper Government. That if all the red boxes were read, all the minutes properly initialled, then everything would be fine.

    Remember Starmer’s outburst about The Blob?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 23,134
    For those of us with a hosepipe ban:

    The boss of Yorkshire Water received a bonus of £371,000 on top of her base salary of £585,000 last year
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,582

    Taz said:

    The contrast between year one of Starmer's government and year one of Blair's is quite telling.

    Within the first 12 months Blair had passed many changes that he wanted. Devolution, BoE independence, minimum wage etc etc etc all happened in the first 12 months.

    What the hell has Starmer done? Announcements that planning will be changed. Announcements that this, that or the other will happen.

    Where are the changes? We could have had a new planning system in place by now.

    Starmer is the sort of dull plodder who’d arrange a meeting to discuss a meeting.
    Not before there's been a meeting to discuss how the announcement of the meeting to discuss the meeting will proceed.
    Disgraceful.

    Are you suggesting that we leave out the meeting to discuss the budget and terms of reference for the meeting to discuss the biscuits for the meeting to discuss how the announcement of the meeting to discuss the meeting?!!

    That’s would be a catastrophic failure of Proper Government!
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,180
    edited 8:25AM
    MattW said:

    IanB2 said:

    Anyhow, here’s a tiny bit of WW2 history I came across yesterday, which I doubt anyone here knows; I certainly didn’t. A memorial to the 42 dead of Operation Seagull - SOE commandos and the crew of a Norwegian submarine - which had it succeeded, might by now have been depicted in film (at least one of the guys was a veteran from the well-known sabotage raid on the Norwegian heavy water plant).

    Sadly the submarine set off on its mission - taking the commandos to destroy the power plant of a mining operation near the Swedish border - but simply disappeared. In 1985 they found it at the bottom of the ocean, the wreckage indicating that it had hit a German mine. The British had advised the Norwegians before the mission of the route, believed to be clear of mines, but this minefield had been very recently laid. Norway’s King unveiled the memorial, on the shore nearest the site of the wreckage, in 1987. D4S as usual.


    Not an operation I had heard of, but it's interesting that it was quite late in the war - 1943.

    I have not even seen that mentioned in histories about SOE.
    Although badged as SOE (from whence co-ordination/organisation and intelligence came) I believe they were all Norwegians (perhaps some trained and sent back from the UK?) - Linge company - which got quite a reputation for sabotage operations during the war. Altogether the company lost nearly 60 men during the war, so that submarine accounted for more than half their total wartime casualties.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,276
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    And incidentally the public toilet next to that war memorial, which I dutifully used yesterday, has been voted the most beautiful toilet building in the world (which I guess is a relatively low bar?):

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/uredd-rest-area-ureddplassen

    Suspicious lack of interior shots. Pieces of atrophied chewing gum jostling the toilet cubes in the pissoir, toilet roll holders that refuse to dispense toilet roll and an overwhelming smell of Rakfisk?
    They’re normally concrete and stainless steel, and pretty clean and functional.

    The biggest problem they have is dodgy camper van users unloading their chemical toilets into them - the first one I used yesterday in Lofoten was completely blocked and I’d guess that was why. Up here on the tourist trail, the area attracts a fair few numpties, sadly. Not long off the ferry, we were held up waiting to get past a stranded VW camper van, which some bright spark had decided to reverse off the road (or was crap in doing a three pointer) whereupon the rear wheels had sunk into the roadside ditch.
    Strangely comforting to learn that campervan rsolery is a universal thing. My partner has made noises about hiring a camper van to do the west coast/islands. For once I've put my foot down.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,276

    For those of us with a hosepipe ban:

    The boss of Yorkshire Water received a bonus of £371,000 on top of her base salary of £585,000 last year

    Let them wash in champagne.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,756
    Taz said:

    The contrast between year one of Starmer's government and year one of Blair's is quite telling.

    Within the first 12 months Blair had passed many changes that he wanted. Devolution, BoE independence, minimum wage etc etc etc all happened in the first 12 months.

    What the hell has Starmer done? Announcements that planning will be changed. Announcements that this, that or the other will happen.

    Where are the changes? We could have had a new planning system in place by now.

    Starmer is the sort of dull plodder who’d arrange a meeting to discuss a meeting.
    It is also the Cabinet. A lot of those Blair ideas where brought to the table by powerful cabinet members who had spent the opposition years thinking out plans. Absolute no sign of that except for Miliband and probably Streeting.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,180
    edited 8:35AM

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    And incidentally the public toilet next to that war memorial, which I dutifully used yesterday, has been voted the most beautiful toilet building in the world (which I guess is a relatively low bar?):

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/uredd-rest-area-ureddplassen

    Suspicious lack of interior shots. Pieces of atrophied chewing gum jostling the toilet cubes in the pissoir, toilet roll holders that refuse to dispense toilet roll and an overwhelming smell of Rakfisk?
    They’re normally concrete and stainless steel, and pretty clean and functional.

    The biggest problem they have is dodgy camper van users unloading their chemical toilets into them - the first one I used yesterday in Lofoten was completely blocked and I’d guess that was why. Up here on the tourist trail, the area attracts a fair few numpties, sadly. Not long off the ferry, we were held up waiting to get past a stranded VW camper van, which some bright spark had decided to reverse off the road (or was crap in doing a three pointer) whereupon the rear wheels had sunk into the roadside ditch.
    Strangely comforting to learn that campervan rsolery is a universal thing. My partner has made noises about hiring a camper van to do the west coast/islands. For once I've put my foot down.
    They’re everywhere here. And I can see the attraction - it’s a way of avoiding high Norwegian prices (although, unlike food and drink, hotel accommodation prices seem pretty normal for Europe, to me) and, away from settlements, you really can pitch up in the wilds, beneath a mountain and next to a stream, with a staggering view, and probably be on your own, just like the photos that probably adorn the camper van brochures. In most of Europe they have the choice between a marked lot on an ‘organised’ campsite, or furtively using some lay-by late at night.

    Just a shame they fill the road and often drive around at a very sedate pace. I sense some Norwegians don’t like them, as the majority are German and they have a reputation for arriving full of provisions such that they’re tourists spending next to nothing actually in the country, other than fuel.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,205

    Taz said:

    The contrast between year one of Starmer's government and year one of Blair's is quite telling.

    Within the first 12 months Blair had passed many changes that he wanted. Devolution, BoE independence, minimum wage etc etc etc all happened in the first 12 months.

    What the hell has Starmer done? Announcements that planning will be changed. Announcements that this, that or the other will happen.

    Where are the changes? We could have had a new planning system in place by now.

    Starmer is the sort of dull plodder who’d arrange a meeting to discuss a meeting.
    It is also the Cabinet. A lot of those Blair ideas where brought to the table by powerful cabinet members who had spent the opposition years thinking out plans. Absolute no sign of that except for Miliband and probably Streeting.
    What powerful idea has Miliband brought to the table and actually implemented?

    He's spaffed some money at CCS and spent 12 months debating whether or not to proceed with the regional pricing idea that was initiated by the civil service under the last Government before deciding against it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,894

    For those of us with a hosepipe ban:

    The boss of Yorkshire Water received a bonus of £371,000 on top of her base salary of £585,000 last year

    A ten pence coin for every tonne of shit she pumped into the Ouse and Calder?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,224
    IanB2 said:

    And incidentally the public toilet next to that war memorial, which I dutifully used yesterday, has been voted the most beautiful toilet building in the world (which I guess is a relatively low bar?):

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/uredd-rest-area-ureddplassen

    (Dons Captain Mainwaring hat)

    Sorry - I don't buy it. It is in a layby full of lorries and campavans, probably complete with sacks of Bratwurst and chocolate sprinkles. My photo quota. Beautiful memorial, though.

    I suspect it may fail the "function over form" test. If it is not excellent as a loo, then the appearance is irrelevant. See 39648 "artistic" bike stands all over the UK.

    The ramp for wheelchair users is also quite a trip around the houses, by the photographs.

    As I said yesterday, I need to be in Norway to have a proper look.

    "Would give 5 stars foe the location and outside architecture. But the inside was hot and smelly.
    Staying outside enjoying the view is recommended."




    https://maps.app.goo.gl/afPrn7oDESGHkEix5

    (Removes Captain Mainwaring hat)
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,030

    Good morning

    The biggest moment of peril for Badenoch is next May's Senedd and Holyrood elections

    On present polling she will have little choice but to resign or be replaced

    I agree.

    And the Tories in Wales are by my understanding (forgive me BigG if I'm wrong) rather rubbish and a bit 'uniparty', and perfect targets for a Reform take down.

    I think there's a bit more hope for them in Scotland. Reform are doing great in the South West and probably the North East but I am not sure they have saturated everywhere.

    I think in Scotland they need to go with the fiscally prudent message vs. Labour being a disaster and Reform having spendthrift tendencies.

    I think in Wales they need to have something completely different. Farage is going with 'dig baby dig' which is strong, but the Tories could (and I know I'm a broken record here) support the Swansea Bay tidal scheme, highlighting the difference - we still want reliable energy and jobs but we still care about the environment. 'A plan for Wales' could include some of this stuff. I don't think it will return the Tories to power, but I think it could retain some votes.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,870

    For those of us with a hosepipe ban:

    The boss of Yorkshire Water received a bonus of £371,000 on top of her base salary of £585,000 last year

    All with the blessing of OFFWAT.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,180
    Fishing said:

    I've just come back from ten days in Montenegro. Apart from being marred by various small frustrations like cheating taxi drivers and triple digit temperatures in Podogrica, it was an improbably fascinating trip - a country, like so many in Eastern Europe, apparently split down the middle between following its heart, towards its Slavic brethren Serbia and Russia, and its head, towards NATO and civilised Europe.

    As some commenters seem to appreciate my occasional postcards from foreign parts, I thought I'd share some thoughts:

    - they use the Euro, and this has clearly trapped them in an unsustainably strong currency. Things feel much more expensive than they should for a developing country at the back end of Europe, unemployment is obviously very high (14% officially, youth unemployment 26%, in reality probably significantly higher)
    - Russian influence EVERYWHERE. The most common petrol stations were Lukoil, many Russian banks (Sberbank etc) have branches in the towns, lots of signs in tourist areas where in Russian and the usual quota of Russian men obviously drunk by noon on the beaches
    - but every Montenegrin ministry in the capital flies an EU flag alongside the Montenegrin one, and some fly NATO flags as well. So it's an odd mix. Their national symbol is the double-headed eagle, simultaneously facing west and east, which seems somehow appropriate to the country.
    - the language situation is just as confused. Montenegrin itself is sort of a dialect of Serbian but sort of its own language. It only formally separated from Serbian in the 1990s. Most of the signs use the Latin script but some are in modified Cyrillic and a few are in English.
    - the people I talked to are also a mix - they look Mediterranean rather than Slavic, though their language and culture are obviously basically Serbian. They drive better than you'd expect for a country that's next to Albania, and actually stop at pedestrian crossings, which was unexpected
    - the US embassy in Podgorica is staggeringly ugly and larger than the former embassy in London on Grosvenor Square. For an obscure country of 600k, not a world power of 70m. God knows what Uncle Sam is thinking.
    - the food is good if uninspired - classic Balkan fare of grilled meat, potatoes, sauces, soups, etc.

    Anyway it was a good trip, though unfortunately I had to cut it short because of work. They won't become another Belarus as they are too far - geographically and culturally - from Russia but I will be interested to see if they can maintain their precarious national balancing act over the next couple of decades or if they will embrace the free world with all its problems and disappointments wholeheartedly.

    Never been, but it’s sort of on my list. Isn’t it magnificently scenic, especially those old monasteries in the mountains next to the sea?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,148

    Taz said:

    The contrast between year one of Starmer's government and year one of Blair's is quite telling.

    Within the first 12 months Blair had passed many changes that he wanted. Devolution, BoE independence, minimum wage etc etc etc all happened in the first 12 months.

    What the hell has Starmer done? Announcements that planning will be changed. Announcements that this, that or the other will happen.

    Where are the changes? We could have had a new planning system in place by now.

    Starmer is the sort of dull plodder who’d arrange a meeting to discuss a meeting.
    Not before there's been a meeting to discuss how the announcement of the meeting to discuss the meeting will proceed.
    Disgraceful.

    Are you suggesting that we leave out the meeting to discuss the budget and terms of reference for the meeting to discuss the biscuits for the meeting to discuss how the announcement of the meeting to discuss the meeting?!!

    That’s would be a catastrophic failure of Proper Government!
    Oh god, alright then ...

    You can't just arrange a big-ticket budgetary meeting willy nilly like that. It needs some proper prep. I suggest a meeting.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,894
    edited 8:46AM

    The contrast between year one of Starmer's government and year one of Blair's is quite telling.

    Within the first 12 months Blair had passed many changes that he wanted. Devolution, BoE independence, minimum wage etc etc etc all happened in the first 12 months.

    What the hell has Starmer done? Announcements that planning will be changed. Announcements that this, that or the other will happen.

    Where are the changes? We could have had a new planning system in place by now.

    They are certainly too timid and cautious. I kind of think they are on the right track in some policy areas but that they themselves are uncertain and lack belief in what they need to change, so end up neither going fast enough nor far enough.
    Their communications are very poor. Even if they achieve a win they allow it to be sold as a defeat. Some of the " trade deals" could be seen as more of a win than a loss. Deals are a negotiation that encompasses wins and losses. This bunch allow the Tory media to focus on the downs but make no attempt themselves to promote the ups.

    They didn't make enough of their legacy. They needed a Liam Byrne note to keep them afloat for a decade. I am sure they found plenty, but being naive and useless sent them all to the dumpster rather than the Guardian.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,030

    For those of us with a hosepipe ban:

    The boss of Yorkshire Water received a bonus of £371,000 on top of her base salary of £585,000 last year

    The water companies have made a killing, but done so under an EU legal framework that de facto banned new water infrastructure. We still have that today. Droughts in the summer and floods in the winter are policy.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,224
    Fishing said:

    I've just come back from ten days in Montenegro. Apart from being marred by various small frustrations like cheating taxi drivers and triple digit temperatures in Podogrica, it was an improbably fascinating trip - a country, like so many in Eastern Europe, apparently split down the middle between following its heart, towards its Slavic brethren Serbia and Russia, and its head, towards NATO and civilised Europe.

    As some commenters seem to appreciate my occasional postcards from foreign parts, I thought I'd share some thoughts:

    - they use the Euro, and this has clearly trapped them in an unsustainably strong currency. Things feel much more expensive than they should for a developing country at the back end of Europe, unemployment is obviously very high (14% officially, youth unemployment 26%, in reality probably significantly higher)
    - Russian influence EVERYWHERE. The most common petrol stations were Lukoil, many Russian banks (Sberbank etc) have branches in the towns, lots of signs in tourist areas where in Russian and the usual quota of Russian men obviously drunk by noon on the beaches
    - but every Montenegrin ministry in the capital flies an EU flag alongside the Montenegrin one, and some fly NATO flags as well. So it's an odd mix. Their national symbol is the double-headed eagle, simultaneously facing west and east, which seems somehow appropriate to the country.
    - the language situation is just as confused. Montenegrin itself is sort of a dialect of Serbian but sort of its own language. It only formally separated from Serbian in the 1990s. Most of the signs use the Latin script but some are in modified Cyrillic and a few are in English.
    - the people I talked to are also a mix - they look Mediterranean rather than Slavic, though their language and culture are obviously basically Serbian. They drive better than you'd expect for a country that's next to Albania, and actually stop at pedestrian crossings, which was unexpected
    - the US embassy in Podgorica is staggeringly ugly and larger than the former embassy in London on Grosvenor Square. For an obscure country of 600k, not a world power of 70m. God knows what Uncle Sam is thinking.
    - the food is good if uninspired - classic Balkan fare of grilled meat, potatoes, sauces, soups, etc.

    Anyway it was a good trip, though unfortunately I had to cut it short because of work. They won't become another Belarus as they are too far - geographically and culturally - from Russia but I will be interested to see if they can maintain their precarious national balancing act over the next couple of decades or if they will embrace the free world with all its problems and disappointments wholeheartedly.

    Thank-you.

    One idea I have been hearing to tip that balance the Western way, from both the Daily Telegraph Ukraine the Latest podcast *and* Rory Stewart on The Rest is Politics, is that a variety of multi-speed EU should be made available to some countries in the Western Balkans, where they get accelerated access to the EU features that help develop their economies* in advance of fulfilling the entire EU rulebook which takes decades.

    As a tactic of drawing them deeper in, more quickly, given Russian tactics.

    * As an example, single market access to be less restricted.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 89
    Gadfly said:

    Oli Fletcher of ‘Farming Explained’ visits one of PB’s regulars at his Cumbrian hill farm…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j65t7TwIunE

    Very well explained, thankyou for sharing
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,102
    Fishing said:

    I've just come back from ten days in Montenegro. Apart from being marred by various small frustrations like cheating taxi drivers and triple digit temperatures in Podogrica, it was an improbably fascinating trip - a country, like so many in Eastern Europe, apparently split down the middle between following its heart, towards its Slavic brethren Serbia and Russia, and its head, towards NATO and civilised Europe.

    As some commenters seem to appreciate my occasional postcards from foreign parts, I thought I'd share some thoughts:

    - they use the Euro, and this has clearly trapped them in an unsustainably strong currency. Things feel much more expensive than they should for a developing country at the back end of Europe, unemployment is obviously very high (14% officially, youth unemployment 26%, in reality probably significantly higher)
    - Russian influence EVERYWHERE. The most common petrol stations were Lukoil, many Russian banks (Sberbank etc) have branches in the towns, lots of signs in tourist areas where in Russian and the usual quota of Russian men obviously drunk by noon on the beaches
    - but every Montenegrin ministry in the capital flies an EU flag alongside the Montenegrin one, and some fly NATO flags as well. So it's an odd mix. Their national symbol is the double-headed eagle, simultaneously facing west and east, which seems somehow appropriate to the country.
    - the language situation is just as confused. Montenegrin itself is sort of a dialect of Serbian but sort of its own language. It only formally separated from Serbian in the 1990s. Most of the signs use the Latin script but some are in modified Cyrillic and a few are in English.
    - the people I talked to are also a mix - they look Mediterranean rather than Slavic, though their language and culture are obviously basically Serbian. They drive better than you'd expect for a country that's next to Albania, and actually stop at pedestrian crossings, which was unexpected
    - the US embassy in Podgorica is staggeringly ugly and larger than the former embassy in London on Grosvenor Square. For an obscure country of 600k, not a world power of 70m. God knows what Uncle Sam is thinking.
    - the food is good if uninspired - classic Balkan fare of grilled meat, potatoes, sauces, soups, etc.

    Anyway it was a good trip, though unfortunately I had to cut it short because of work. They won't become another Belarus as they are too far - geographically and culturally - from Russia but I will be interested to see if they can maintain their precarious national balancing act over the next couple of decades or if they will embrace the free world with all its problems and disappointments wholeheartedly.

    New US embassies are both staggeringly ugly, and away from city centres. They are constructed like alien forts, aimed preventing attacks and demonstrations. To be fair a number of US embassies have been attacked over the years, so not unreasonable, but it doesn't encourage the right mentality in their staff.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,894

    For those of us with a hosepipe ban:

    The boss of Yorkshire Water received a bonus of £371,000 on top of her base salary of £585,000 last year

    The water companies have made a killing, but done so under an EU legal framework that de facto banned new water infrastructure. We still have that today. Droughts in the summer and floods in the winter are policy.
    Ha, ha, ha. Nothing to do with shocking oversight by incompetent government since privatisation. You can toss fourteen years of Labour Governments into that pot. But I will allow you to give Johnson a free pass because he's gorgeous and Truss a free pass because she was only PM for five minutes.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,648

    Good morning

    The biggest moment of peril for Badenoch is next May's Senedd and Holyrood elections

    On present polling she will have little choice but to resign or be replaced

    I agree.

    And the Tories in Wales are by my understanding (forgive me BigG if I'm wrong) rather rubbish and a bit 'uniparty', and perfect targets for a Reform take down.

    I think there's a bit more hope for them in Scotland. Reform are doing great in the South West and probably the North East but I am not sure they have saturated everywhere.

    I think in Scotland they need to go with the fiscally prudent message vs. Labour being a disaster and Reform having spendthrift tendencies.

    I think in Wales they need to have something completely different. Farage is going with 'dig baby dig' which is strong, but the Tories could (and I know I'm a broken record here) support the Swansea Bay tidal scheme, highlighting the difference - we still want reliable energy and jobs but we still care about the environment. 'A plan for Wales' could include some of this stuff. I don't think it will return the Tories to power, but I think it could retain some votes.
    Welsh Tories are imo targeting around 15% and 15 seats in the 96 seat Senedd - that's enough to keep them 'in the game' as one of four relevant Welsh parties, and possibly right on the heels of a punished Welsh Labour.
    Scottish Tories probably want to retain 3 constituencies and hit about 13 to 14% list
    The above is benchmark (I think) for Kemi survives/we are struggling along but OK
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,698
    IanB2 said:

    Fishing said:

    I've just come back from ten days in Montenegro. Apart from being marred by various small frustrations like cheating taxi drivers and triple digit temperatures in Podogrica, it was an improbably fascinating trip - a country, like so many in Eastern Europe, apparently split down the middle between following its heart, towards its Slavic brethren Serbia and Russia, and its head, towards NATO and civilised Europe.

    As some commenters seem to appreciate my occasional postcards from foreign parts, I thought I'd share some thoughts:

    - they use the Euro, and this has clearly trapped them in an unsustainably strong currency. Things feel much more expensive than they should for a developing country at the back end of Europe, unemployment is obviously very high (14% officially, youth unemployment 26%, in reality probably significantly higher)
    - Russian influence EVERYWHERE. The most common petrol stations were Lukoil, many Russian banks (Sberbank etc) have branches in the towns, lots of signs in tourist areas where in Russian and the usual quota of Russian men obviously drunk by noon on the beaches
    - but every Montenegrin ministry in the capital flies an EU flag alongside the Montenegrin one, and some fly NATO flags as well. So it's an odd mix. Their national symbol is the double-headed eagle, simultaneously facing west and east, which seems somehow appropriate to the country.
    - the language situation is just as confused. Montenegrin itself is sort of a dialect of Serbian but sort of its own language. It only formally separated from Serbian in the 1990s. Most of the signs use the Latin script but some are in modified Cyrillic and a few are in English.
    - the people I talked to are also a mix - they look Mediterranean rather than Slavic, though their language and culture are obviously basically Serbian. They drive better than you'd expect for a country that's next to Albania, and actually stop at pedestrian crossings, which was unexpected
    - the US embassy in Podgorica is staggeringly ugly and larger than the former embassy in London on Grosvenor Square. For an obscure country of 600k, not a world power of 70m. God knows what Uncle Sam is thinking.
    - the food is good if uninspired - classic Balkan fare of grilled meat, potatoes, sauces, soups, etc.

    Anyway it was a good trip, though unfortunately I had to cut it short because of work. They won't become another Belarus as they are too far - geographically and culturally - from Russia but I will be interested to see if they can maintain their precarious national balancing act over the next couple of decades or if they will embrace the free world with all its problems and disappointments wholeheartedly.

    Never been, but it’s sort of on my list. Isn’t it magnificently scenic, especially those old monasteries in the mountains next to the sea?
    Yes the mountains, forests and beaches are very nice to look at, and the more popular hiking trails are good and well-maintained. Hiking is obviously a popular passtime there, though they charge foreigners a few euros for access to their national parks and parking is expensive.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,178

    For those of us with a hosepipe ban:

    The boss of Yorkshire Water received a bonus of £371,000 on top of her base salary of £585,000 last year

    All with the blessing of OFFWAT.
    Or, as they are more usually known by customers, OFFPISS.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,353
    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    The contrast between year one of Starmer's government and year one of Blair's is quite telling.

    Within the first 12 months Blair had passed many changes that he wanted. Devolution, BoE independence, minimum wage etc etc etc all happened in the first 12 months.

    What the hell has Starmer done? Announcements that planning will be changed. Announcements that this, that or the other will happen.

    Where are the changes? We could have had a new planning system in place by now.

    Starmer is the sort of dull plodder who’d arrange a meeting to discuss a meeting.
    Not before there's been a meeting to discuss how the announcement of the meeting to discuss the meeting will proceed.
    Disgraceful.

    Are you suggesting that we leave out the meeting to discuss the budget and terms of reference for the meeting to discuss the biscuits for the meeting to discuss how the announcement of the meeting to discuss the meeting?!!

    That’s would be a catastrophic failure of Proper Government!
    Oh god, alright then ...

    You can't just arrange a big-ticket budgetary meeting willy nilly like that. It needs some proper prep. I suggest a meeting.
    There are a lot of meetings being organised seemingly at random.

    We need to have a meeting to align on how scheduling will be coordinated in future.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,224

    Taz said:

    The contrast between year one of Starmer's government and year one of Blair's is quite telling.

    Within the first 12 months Blair had passed many changes that he wanted. Devolution, BoE independence, minimum wage etc etc etc all happened in the first 12 months.

    What the hell has Starmer done? Announcements that planning will be changed. Announcements that this, that or the other will happen.

    Where are the changes? We could have had a new planning system in place by now.

    Starmer is the sort of dull plodder who’d arrange a meeting to discuss a meeting.
    It is also the Cabinet. A lot of those Blair ideas where brought to the table by powerful cabinet members who had spent the opposition years thinking out plans. Absolute no sign of that except for Miliband and probably Streeting.
    I'm inclined to agree with that. I think there is a lot of important stuff bubbling under, but very little to see.

    I think they need to remember "We were elected as Labour, we need to govern as Labour" - not in the sense of caving in to the nutter wing, but in the sense of Wilson's “The Labour party is a moral crusade or it is nothing.”

    I like that we have a real Government for the first time in years, but they are timid little mice.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,224

    Taz said:

    The contrast between year one of Starmer's government and year one of Blair's is quite telling.

    Within the first 12 months Blair had passed many changes that he wanted. Devolution, BoE independence, minimum wage etc etc etc all happened in the first 12 months.

    What the hell has Starmer done? Announcements that planning will be changed. Announcements that this, that or the other will happen.

    Where are the changes? We could have had a new planning system in place by now.

    Starmer is the sort of dull plodder who’d arrange a meeting to discuss a meeting.
    It is also the Cabinet. A lot of those Blair ideas where brought to the table by powerful cabinet members who had spent the opposition years thinking out plans. Absolute no sign of that except for Miliband and probably Streeting.
    I'm inclined to agree with that. I think there is a lot of important stuff bubbling under, but very little to see.

    I think they need to remember "We were elected as Labour, we need to govern as Labour" - not in the sense of caving in to the nutter wing, but in the sense of Wilson's “The Labour party is a moral crusade or it is nothing.”

    I like that we have a real Government for the first time in years, but they are timid little mice.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,205

    For those of us with a hosepipe ban:

    The boss of Yorkshire Water received a bonus of £371,000 on top of her base salary of £585,000 last year

    The water companies have made a killing, but done so under an EU legal framework that de facto banned new water infrastructure. We still have that today. Droughts in the summer and floods in the winter are policy.
    You can't blame the water companies, they were told they have a mandate for taking the piss, and boy have they.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,698
    MattW said:

    Fishing said:

    I've just come back from ten days in Montenegro. Apart from being marred by various small frustrations like cheating taxi drivers and triple digit temperatures in Podogrica, it was an improbably fascinating trip - a country, like so many in Eastern Europe, apparently split down the middle between following its heart, towards its Slavic brethren Serbia and Russia, and its head, towards NATO and civilised Europe.

    As some commenters seem to appreciate my occasional postcards from foreign parts, I thought I'd share some thoughts:

    - they use the Euro, and this has clearly trapped them in an unsustainably strong currency. Things feel much more expensive than they should for a developing country at the back end of Europe, unemployment is obviously very high (14% officially, youth unemployment 26%, in reality probably significantly higher)
    - Russian influence EVERYWHERE. The most common petrol stations were Lukoil, many Russian banks (Sberbank etc) have branches in the towns, lots of signs in tourist areas where in Russian and the usual quota of Russian men obviously drunk by noon on the beaches
    - but every Montenegrin ministry in the capital flies an EU flag alongside the Montenegrin one, and some fly NATO flags as well. So it's an odd mix. Their national symbol is the double-headed eagle, simultaneously facing west and east, which seems somehow appropriate to the country.
    - the language situation is just as confused. Montenegrin itself is sort of a dialect of Serbian but sort of its own language. It only formally separated from Serbian in the 1990s. Most of the signs use the Latin script but some are in modified Cyrillic and a few are in English.
    - the people I talked to are also a mix - they look Mediterranean rather than Slavic, though their language and culture are obviously basically Serbian. They drive better than you'd expect for a country that's next to Albania, and actually stop at pedestrian crossings, which was unexpected
    - the US embassy in Podgorica is staggeringly ugly and larger than the former embassy in London on Grosvenor Square. For an obscure country of 600k, not a world power of 70m. God knows what Uncle Sam is thinking.
    - the food is good if uninspired - classic Balkan fare of grilled meat, potatoes, sauces, soups, etc.

    Anyway it was a good trip, though unfortunately I had to cut it short because of work. They won't become another Belarus as they are too far - geographically and culturally - from Russia but I will be interested to see if they can maintain their precarious national balancing act over the next couple of decades or if they will embrace the free world with all its problems and disappointments wholeheartedly.

    Thank-you.

    One idea I have been hearing to tip that balance the Western way, from both the Daily Telegraph Ukraine the Latest podcast *and* Rory Stewart on The Rest is Politics, is that a variety of multi-speed EU should be made available to some countries in the Western Balkans, where they get accelerated access to the EU features that help develop their economies* in advance of fulfilling the entire EU rulebook which takes decades.

    As a tactic of drawing them deeper in, more quickly, given Russian tactics.

    * As an example, single market access to be less restricted.
    The EU already has something sort of like that with its Association Agreements, e.g. with Georgia.

    They could doubtless be developed further, but of course the EU would be very reluctant to allow countries to cherry-pick desirable aspects of EU membership without the undesirable ones, but then would that be attractive to countries like Montenegro?

    Knowing the EU and its negotiating style, any more in-depth agreement would basically be a kind of colonial arrangement, or at least could easily be presented as such. Brussels doesn't really do flexibility or goodwill so I think they could cause more political problems than they solve.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,180
    Fishing said:

    IanB2 said:

    Fishing said:

    I've just come back from ten days in Montenegro. Apart from being marred by various small frustrations like cheating taxi drivers and triple digit temperatures in Podogrica, it was an improbably fascinating trip - a country, like so many in Eastern Europe, apparently split down the middle between following its heart, towards its Slavic brethren Serbia and Russia, and its head, towards NATO and civilised Europe.

    As some commenters seem to appreciate my occasional postcards from foreign parts, I thought I'd share some thoughts:

    - they use the Euro, and this has clearly trapped them in an unsustainably strong currency. Things feel much more expensive than they should for a developing country at the back end of Europe, unemployment is obviously very high (14% officially, youth unemployment 26%, in reality probably significantly higher)
    - Russian influence EVERYWHERE. The most common petrol stations were Lukoil, many Russian banks (Sberbank etc) have branches in the towns, lots of signs in tourist areas where in Russian and the usual quota of Russian men obviously drunk by noon on the beaches
    - but every Montenegrin ministry in the capital flies an EU flag alongside the Montenegrin one, and some fly NATO flags as well. So it's an odd mix. Their national symbol is the double-headed eagle, simultaneously facing west and east, which seems somehow appropriate to the country.
    - the language situation is just as confused. Montenegrin itself is sort of a dialect of Serbian but sort of its own language. It only formally separated from Serbian in the 1990s. Most of the signs use the Latin script but some are in modified Cyrillic and a few are in English.
    - the people I talked to are also a mix - they look Mediterranean rather than Slavic, though their language and culture are obviously basically Serbian. They drive better than you'd expect for a country that's next to Albania, and actually stop at pedestrian crossings, which was unexpected
    - the US embassy in Podgorica is staggeringly ugly and larger than the former embassy in London on Grosvenor Square. For an obscure country of 600k, not a world power of 70m. God knows what Uncle Sam is thinking.
    - the food is good if uninspired - classic Balkan fare of grilled meat, potatoes, sauces, soups, etc.

    Anyway it was a good trip, though unfortunately I had to cut it short because of work. They won't become another Belarus as they are too far - geographically and culturally - from Russia but I will be interested to see if they can maintain their precarious national balancing act over the next couple of decades or if they will embrace the free world with all its problems and disappointments wholeheartedly.

    Never been, but it’s sort of on my list. Isn’t it magnificently scenic, especially those old monasteries in the mountains next to the sea?
    Yes the mountains, forests and beaches are very nice to look at, and the more popular hiking trails are good and well-maintained. Hiking is obviously a popular passtime there, though they charge foreigners a few euros for access to their national parks and parking is expensive.
    And you only get third party insurance if you drive there, and have to buy some sort of basic policy for cash at the border?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,230

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    The contrast between year one of Starmer's government and year one of Blair's is quite telling.

    Within the first 12 months Blair had passed many changes that he wanted. Devolution, BoE independence, minimum wage etc etc etc all happened in the first 12 months.

    What the hell has Starmer done? Announcements that planning will be changed. Announcements that this, that or the other will happen.

    Where are the changes? We could have had a new planning system in place by now.

    Starmer is the sort of dull plodder who’d arrange a meeting to discuss a meeting.
    Not before there's been a meeting to discuss how the announcement of the meeting to discuss the meeting will proceed.
    Disgraceful.

    Are you suggesting that we leave out the meeting to discuss the budget and terms of reference for the meeting to discuss the biscuits for the meeting to discuss how the announcement of the meeting to discuss the meeting?!!

    That’s would be a catastrophic failure of Proper Government!
    Oh god, alright then ...

    You can't just arrange a big-ticket budgetary meeting willy nilly like that. It needs some proper prep. I suggest a meeting.
    There are a lot of meetings being organised seemingly at random.

    We need to have a meeting to align on how scheduling will be coordinated in future.
    All of these meeting could have been an email
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 52,180

    For those of us with a hosepipe ban:

    The boss of Yorkshire Water received a bonus of £371,000 on top of her base salary of £585,000 last year

    The water companies have made a killing, but done so under an EU legal framework that de facto banned new water infrastructure. We still have that today. Droughts in the summer and floods in the winter are policy.
    You can't blame the water companies, they were told they have a mandate for taking the piss, and boy have they.
    That’s part of their formal remit, I believe?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,894

    Good morning

    The biggest moment of peril for Badenoch is next May's Senedd and Holyrood elections

    On present polling she will have little choice but to resign or be replaced

    I agree.

    And the Tories in Wales are by my understanding (forgive me BigG if I'm wrong) rather rubbish and a bit 'uniparty', and perfect targets for a Reform take down.

    I think there's a bit more hope for them in Scotland. Reform are doing great in the South West and probably the North East but I am not sure they have saturated everywhere.

    I think in Scotland they need to go with the fiscally prudent message vs. Labour being a disaster and Reform having spendthrift tendencies.

    I think in Wales they need to have something completely different. Farage is going with 'dig baby dig' which is strong, but the Tories could (and I know I'm a broken record here) support the Swansea Bay tidal scheme, highlighting the difference - we still want reliable energy and jobs but we still care about the environment. 'A plan for Wales' could include some of this stuff. I don't think it will return the Tories to power, but I think it could retain some votes.
    Welsh Tories are imo targeting around 15% and 15 seats in the 96 seat Senedd - that's enough to keep them 'in the game' as one of four relevant Welsh parties, and possibly right on the heels of a punished Welsh Labour.
    Scottish Tories probably want to retain 3 constituencies and hit about 13 to 14% list
    The above is benchmark (I think) for Kemi survives/we are struggling along but OK
    I suspect that is ambitious. I couldn't tell you where Labour get a single vote from. But the Tories? Sneaking something in Monmouth, rural mid-Wales ( with the LDs and PC in the ascendency) or are you relying on the regional lists?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,835
    MattW said:

    Fishing said:

    I've just come back from ten days in Montenegro. Apart from being marred by various small frustrations like cheating taxi drivers and triple digit temperatures in Podogrica, it was an improbably fascinating trip - a country, like so many in Eastern Europe, apparently split down the middle between following its heart, towards its Slavic brethren Serbia and Russia, and its head, towards NATO and civilised Europe.

    As some commenters seem to appreciate my occasional postcards from foreign parts, I thought I'd share some thoughts:

    - they use the Euro, and this has clearly trapped them in an unsustainably strong currency. Things feel much more expensive than they should for a developing country at the back end of Europe, unemployment is obviously very high (14% officially, youth unemployment 26%, in reality probably significantly higher)
    - Russian influence EVERYWHERE. The most common petrol stations were Lukoil, many Russian banks (Sberbank etc) have branches in the towns, lots of signs in tourist areas where in Russian and the usual quota of Russian men obviously drunk by noon on the beaches
    - but every Montenegrin ministry in the capital flies an EU flag alongside the Montenegrin one, and some fly NATO flags as well. So it's an odd mix. Their national symbol is the double-headed eagle, simultaneously facing west and east, which seems somehow appropriate to the country.
    - the language situation is just as confused. Montenegrin itself is sort of a dialect of Serbian but sort of its own language. It only formally separated from Serbian in the 1990s. Most of the signs use the Latin script but some are in modified Cyrillic and a few are in English.
    - the people I talked to are also a mix - they look Mediterranean rather than Slavic, though their language and culture are obviously basically Serbian. They drive better than you'd expect for a country that's next to Albania, and actually stop at pedestrian crossings, which was unexpected
    - the US embassy in Podgorica is staggeringly ugly and larger than the former embassy in London on Grosvenor Square. For an obscure country of 600k, not a world power of 70m. God knows what Uncle Sam is thinking.
    - the food is good if uninspired - classic Balkan fare of grilled meat, potatoes, sauces, soups, etc.

    Anyway it was a good trip, though unfortunately I had to cut it short because of work. They won't become another Belarus as they are too far - geographically and culturally - from Russia but I will be interested to see if they can maintain their precarious national balancing act over the next couple of decades or if they will embrace the free world with all its problems and disappointments wholeheartedly.

    Thank-you.

    One idea I have been hearing to tip that balance the Western way, from both the Daily Telegraph Ukraine the Latest podcast *and* Rory Stewart on The Rest is Politics, is that a variety of multi-speed EU should be made available to some countries in the Western Balkans, where they get accelerated access to the EU features that help develop their economies* in advance of fulfilling the entire EU rulebook which takes decades.

    As a tactic of drawing them deeper in, more quickly, given Russian tactics.

    * As an example, single market access to be less restricted.
    Pick'n'mix integration would be better for the whole of Europe not just the Balkans. Not a free for all, but some choices and options to avoid a binary in/out choice.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,924

    Smart51 said:

    She quite frequently sets the agenda. Her problem is that whenever she does, it is on topics that remind voters that the Tories also failed to resolve them

    From header: Rob J this week unleashed his inner Boris with a tweet surely conceived for the side of a bus:-

    Yesterday a young man was murdered in broad daylight for his watch.

    And now Starmer is on the verge of giving killers a 70% reduction on the full sentence.

    The Tory government were warned that they would run out of prison places by the end of the year unless they did something to fix the problem. All they did was make a speech. The reason Starmer is having to reduce sentences is because the Tories did nothing to fix the prisons problem.
    Labour have been in office for over a year now. What have they actually done in that time to build more prison places?
    The problem is the elaborate process that has accreted around all possible actions.

    It will take a decade to create new prison places. Probably longer.

    The whole reason that migrants are being put in hotels is this - all the other options were blocked or would take a decade. Of interest is the reaction by some a bit anger at the use of hotels. But anger that the government can “just do this, in days, without time for proper enquirues.
    This is all true. What government has not done is command the narrative, telling a truthful story about what they will do and how they are going to do it, what it will cost, how taxes must rise, how long it will take, and how, while all this is being done, they will run existing stuff which is the state's responsibility very well, even if it isn't perfect, while ensuring that debt does not rise significantly.

    They appear to have no idea that what I have just described is a realistic expectation about a top quality government.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,224
    Foxy said:

    Fishing said:

    I've just come back from ten days in Montenegro. Apart from being marred by various small frustrations like cheating taxi drivers and triple digit temperatures in Podogrica, it was an improbably fascinating trip - a country, like so many in Eastern Europe, apparently split down the middle between following its heart, towards its Slavic brethren Serbia and Russia, and its head, towards NATO and civilised Europe.

    As some commenters seem to appreciate my occasional postcards from foreign parts, I thought I'd share some thoughts:

    - they use the Euro, and this has clearly trapped them in an unsustainably strong currency. Things feel much more expensive than they should for a developing country at the back end of Europe, unemployment is obviously very high (14% officially, youth unemployment 26%, in reality probably significantly higher)
    - Russian influence EVERYWHERE. The most common petrol stations were Lukoil, many Russian banks (Sberbank etc) have branches in the towns, lots of signs in tourist areas where in Russian and the usual quota of Russian men obviously drunk by noon on the beaches
    - but every Montenegrin ministry in the capital flies an EU flag alongside the Montenegrin one, and some fly NATO flags as well. So it's an odd mix. Their national symbol is the double-headed eagle, simultaneously facing west and east, which seems somehow appropriate to the country.
    - the language situation is just as confused. Montenegrin itself is sort of a dialect of Serbian but sort of its own language. It only formally separated from Serbian in the 1990s. Most of the signs use the Latin script but some are in modified Cyrillic and a few are in English.
    - the people I talked to are also a mix - they look Mediterranean rather than Slavic, though their language and culture are obviously basically Serbian. They drive better than you'd expect for a country that's next to Albania, and actually stop at pedestrian crossings, which was unexpected
    - the US embassy in Podgorica is staggeringly ugly and larger than the former embassy in London on Grosvenor Square. For an obscure country of 600k, not a world power of 70m. God knows what Uncle Sam is thinking.
    - the food is good if uninspired - classic Balkan fare of grilled meat, potatoes, sauces, soups, etc.

    Anyway it was a good trip, though unfortunately I had to cut it short because of work. They won't become another Belarus as they are too far - geographically and culturally - from Russia but I will be interested to see if they can maintain their precarious national balancing act over the next couple of decades or if they will embrace the free world with all its problems and disappointments wholeheartedly.

    New US embassies are both staggeringly ugly, and away from city centres. They are constructed like alien forts, aimed preventing attacks and demonstrations. To be fair a number of US embassies have been attacked over the years, so not unreasonable, but it doesn't encourage the right mentality in their staff.
    Has anyone had a good look at the new London one?

    AIUI that is rather better in that respect (eg the "tank traps" are hidden).

    A good piece, albeit with a fair amount of architectural bollocks in it *.

    https://www.harvarddesignmagazine.org/articles/fortress-london-the-new-us-embassy-and-the-rise-of-counter-terror-urbanism/

    * To the north, the site is bordered with an English yew hedge, which leads to meadowland planted with species native to North America (“analogous to the special relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom”)
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,835

    The contrast between year one of Starmer's government and year one of Blair's is quite telling.

    Within the first 12 months Blair had passed many changes that he wanted. Devolution, BoE independence, minimum wage etc etc etc all happened in the first 12 months.

    What the hell has Starmer done? Announcements that planning will be changed. Announcements that this, that or the other will happen.

    Where are the changes? We could have had a new planning system in place by now.

    They are certainly too timid and cautious. I kind of think they are on the right track in some policy areas but that they themselves are uncertain and lack belief in what they need to change, so end up neither going fast enough nor far enough.
    Their communications are very poor. Even if they achieve a win they allow it to be sold as a defeat. Some of the " trade deals" could be seen as more of a win than a loss. Deals are a negotiation that encompasses wins and losses. This bunch allow the Tory media to focus on the downs but make no attempt themselves to promote the ups.

    They didn't make enough of their legacy. They needed a Liam Byrne note to keep them afloat for a decade. I am sure they found plenty, but being naive and useless sent them all to the dumpster rather than the Guardian.
    Yes, they are probably 5/10 for governing and 1/10 for politics and comms.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,924
    Small tentative prediction: a doctor's strike will not be supported by the public and if it goes ahead will be a little turning point towards a 'we are all in this together, who do these people think they are' approach to reasonably well paid people in careers with prospects demanding massive amounts more from the taxpayer.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,648
    edited 9:10AM

    Good morning

    The biggest moment of peril for Badenoch is next May's Senedd and Holyrood elections

    On present polling she will have little choice but to resign or be replaced

    I agree.

    And the Tories in Wales are by my understanding (forgive me BigG if I'm wrong) rather rubbish and a bit 'uniparty', and perfect targets for a Reform take down.

    I think there's a bit more hope for them in Scotland. Reform are doing great in the South West and probably the North East but I am not sure they have saturated everywhere.

    I think in Scotland they need to go with the fiscally prudent message vs. Labour being a disaster and Reform having spendthrift tendencies.

    I think in Wales they need to have something completely different. Farage is going with 'dig baby dig' which is strong, but the Tories could (and I know I'm a broken record here) support the Swansea Bay tidal scheme, highlighting the difference - we still want reliable energy and jobs but we still care about the environment. 'A plan for Wales' could include some of this stuff. I don't think it will return the Tories to power, but I think it could retain some votes.
    Welsh Tories are imo targeting around 15% and 15 seats in the 96 seat Senedd - that's enough to keep them 'in the game' as one of four relevant Welsh parties, and possibly right on the heels of a punished Welsh Labour.
    Scottish Tories probably want to retain 3 constituencies and hit about 13 to 14% list
    The above is benchmark (I think) for Kemi survives/we are struggling along but OK
    I suspect that is ambitious. I couldn't tell you where Labour get a single vote from. But the Tories? Sneaking something in Monmouth, rural mid-Wales ( with the LDs and PC in the ascendency) or are you relying on the regional lists?
    Its all new, there are no regional lists anymore in Wales - 6 seats per each of the 16 'double constituency' on a d'hondt basis. 15% would generate somewhere around 15 seats. 10% in any given pair will likely be enough for 1 seat.
    That's what I think they'll be targeting, I'm not saying they'll get it. On current polling they are looking at just under teens % and maybe 10 seats
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,224
    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    IanB2 said:

    And incidentally the public toilet next to that war memorial, which I dutifully used yesterday, has been voted the most beautiful toilet building in the world (which I guess is a relatively low bar?):

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/uredd-rest-area-ureddplassen

    Suspicious lack of interior shots. Pieces of atrophied chewing gum jostling the toilet cubes in the pissoir, toilet roll holders that refuse to dispense toilet roll and an overwhelming smell of Rakfisk?
    They’re normally concrete and stainless steel, and pretty clean and functional.

    The biggest problem they have is dodgy camper van users unloading their chemical toilets into them - the first one I used yesterday in Lofoten was completely blocked and I’d guess that was why. Up here on the tourist trail, the area attracts a fair few numpties, sadly. Not long off the ferry, we were held up waiting to get past a stranded VW camper van, which some bright spark had decided to reverse off the road (or was crap in doing a three pointer) whereupon the rear wheels had sunk into the roadside ditch.
    Strangely comforting to learn that campervan rsolery is a universal thing. My partner has made noises about hiring a camper van to do the west coast/islands. For once I've put my foot down.
    They’re everywhere here. And I can see the attraction - it’s a way of avoiding high Norwegian prices (although, unlike food and drink, hotel accommodation prices seem pretty normal for Europe, to me) and, away from settlements, you really can pitch up in the wilds, beneath a mountain and next to a stream, with a staggering view, and probably be on your own, just like the photos that probably adorn the camper van brochures. In most of Europe they have the choice between a marked lot on an ‘organised’ campsite, or furtively using some lay-by late at night.

    Just a shame they fill the road and often drive around at a very sedate pace. I sense some Norwegians don’t like them, as the majority are German and they have a reputation for arriving full of provisions such that they’re tourists spending next to nothing actually in the country, other than fuel.
    You could do van-life.

    I quite enjoyed this stealth camper, who had his van camper in white, with "Asbestos Removal and Disposal" magnetic stick on decals to keep people away.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqjaD_-BwDY
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,924
    Fishing said:

    MattW said:

    Fishing said:

    I've just come back from ten days in Montenegro. Apart from being marred by various small frustrations like cheating taxi drivers and triple digit temperatures in Podogrica, it was an improbably fascinating trip - a country, like so many in Eastern Europe, apparently split down the middle between following its heart, towards its Slavic brethren Serbia and Russia, and its head, towards NATO and civilised Europe.

    As some commenters seem to appreciate my occasional postcards from foreign parts, I thought I'd share some thoughts:

    - they use the Euro, and this has clearly trapped them in an unsustainably strong currency. Things feel much more expensive than they should for a developing country at the back end of Europe, unemployment is obviously very high (14% officially, youth unemployment 26%, in reality probably significantly higher)
    - Russian influence EVERYWHERE. The most common petrol stations were Lukoil, many Russian banks (Sberbank etc) have branches in the towns, lots of signs in tourist areas where in Russian and the usual quota of Russian men obviously drunk by noon on the beaches
    - but every Montenegrin ministry in the capital flies an EU flag alongside the Montenegrin one, and some fly NATO flags as well. So it's an odd mix. Their national symbol is the double-headed eagle, simultaneously facing west and east, which seems somehow appropriate to the country.
    - the language situation is just as confused. Montenegrin itself is sort of a dialect of Serbian but sort of its own language. It only formally separated from Serbian in the 1990s. Most of the signs use the Latin script but some are in modified Cyrillic and a few are in English.
    - the people I talked to are also a mix - they look Mediterranean rather than Slavic, though their language and culture are obviously basically Serbian. They drive better than you'd expect for a country that's next to Albania, and actually stop at pedestrian crossings, which was unexpected
    - the US embassy in Podgorica is staggeringly ugly and larger than the former embassy in London on Grosvenor Square. For an obscure country of 600k, not a world power of 70m. God knows what Uncle Sam is thinking.
    - the food is good if uninspired - classic Balkan fare of grilled meat, potatoes, sauces, soups, etc.

    Anyway it was a good trip, though unfortunately I had to cut it short because of work. They won't become another Belarus as they are too far - geographically and culturally - from Russia but I will be interested to see if they can maintain their precarious national balancing act over the next couple of decades or if they will embrace the free world with all its problems and disappointments wholeheartedly.

    Thank-you.

    One idea I have been hearing to tip that balance the Western way, from both the Daily Telegraph Ukraine the Latest podcast *and* Rory Stewart on The Rest is Politics, is that a variety of multi-speed EU should be made available to some countries in the Western Balkans, where they get accelerated access to the EU features that help develop their economies* in advance of fulfilling the entire EU rulebook which takes decades.

    As a tactic of drawing them deeper in, more quickly, given Russian tactics.

    * As an example, single market access to be less restricted.
    The EU already has something sort of like that with its Association Agreements, e.g. with Georgia.

    They could doubtless be developed further, but of course the EU would be very reluctant to allow countries to cherry-pick desirable aspects of EU membership without the undesirable ones, but then would that be attractive to countries like Montenegro?

    Knowing the EU and its negotiating style, any more in-depth agreement would basically be a kind of colonial arrangement, or at least could easily be presented as such. Brussels doesn't really do flexibility or goodwill so I think they could cause more political problems than they solve.
    The EU had a fantastic opportunity to be realistic and flexible and multu-speed in 2015-2016. If they had we would be in it. The UK's greatest post war policy fail was to help shape the the EU into something the UK neither wanted to be in or out; the EUs greatest fail was to fail to keep us in by being intelligent.

    I don't suppose it is too late for common sense to put this right is it?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,353
    Scott_xP said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    The contrast between year one of Starmer's government and year one of Blair's is quite telling.

    Within the first 12 months Blair had passed many changes that he wanted. Devolution, BoE independence, minimum wage etc etc etc all happened in the first 12 months.

    What the hell has Starmer done? Announcements that planning will be changed. Announcements that this, that or the other will happen.

    Where are the changes? We could have had a new planning system in place by now.

    Starmer is the sort of dull plodder who’d arrange a meeting to discuss a meeting.
    Not before there's been a meeting to discuss how the announcement of the meeting to discuss the meeting will proceed.
    Disgraceful.

    Are you suggesting that we leave out the meeting to discuss the budget and terms of reference for the meeting to discuss the biscuits for the meeting to discuss how the announcement of the meeting to discuss the meeting?!!

    That’s would be a catastrophic failure of Proper Government!
    Oh god, alright then ...

    You can't just arrange a big-ticket budgetary meeting willy nilly like that. It needs some proper prep. I suggest a meeting.
    There are a lot of meetings being organised seemingly at random.

    We need to have a meeting to align on how scheduling will be coordinated in future.
    All of these meeting could have been an
    email
    Sorry didn’t have time to check my email - been in back to back meetings all day
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,894

    Good morning

    The biggest moment of peril for Badenoch is next May's Senedd and Holyrood elections

    On present polling she will have little choice but to resign or be replaced

    I agree.

    And the Tories in Wales are by my understanding (forgive me BigG if I'm wrong) rather rubbish and a bit 'uniparty', and perfect targets for a Reform take down.

    I think there's a bit more hope for them in Scotland. Reform are doing great in the South West and probably the North East but I am not sure they have saturated everywhere.

    I think in Scotland they need to go with the fiscally prudent message vs. Labour being a disaster and Reform having spendthrift tendencies.

    I think in Wales they need to have something completely different. Farage is going with 'dig baby dig' which is strong, but the Tories could (and I know I'm a broken record here) support the Swansea Bay tidal scheme, highlighting the difference - we still want reliable energy and jobs but we still care about the environment. 'A plan for Wales' could include some of this stuff. I don't think it will return the Tories to power, but I think it could retain some votes.
    Welsh Tories are imo targeting around 15% and 15 seats in the 96 seat Senedd - that's enough to keep them 'in the game' as one of four relevant Welsh parties, and possibly right on the heels of a punished Welsh Labour.
    Scottish Tories probably want to retain 3 constituencies and hit about 13 to 14% list
    The above is benchmark (I think) for Kemi survives/we are struggling along but OK
    I suspect that is ambitious. I couldn't tell you where Labour get a single vote from. But the Tories? Sneaking something in Monmouth, rural mid-Wales ( with the LDs and PC in the ascendency) or are you relying on the regional lists?
    Its all new, there are no regional lists anymore in Wales - 6 seats per each of the 16 'double constituency' on a d'hondt basis. 15% would generate somewhere around 15 seats. 10% in any given pair will likely be enough for 1 seat.
    That's what I think they'll be targeting, I'm not saying they'll get it. On current polling they are looking at just under teens % and maybe 10 seats
    The Cons in Wales need to throw their lot in with Ref. Whether that is advantageous before or after May is debatable. Over the last couple of decades they have been very Reformy (more so than in England) in their outlook.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,894

    The contrast between year one of Starmer's government and year one of Blair's is quite telling.

    Within the first 12 months Blair had passed many changes that he wanted. Devolution, BoE independence, minimum wage etc etc etc all happened in the first 12 months.

    What the hell has Starmer done? Announcements that planning will be changed. Announcements that this, that or the other will happen.

    Where are the changes? We could have had a new planning system in place by now.

    They are certainly too timid and cautious. I kind of think they are on the right track in some policy areas but that they themselves are uncertain and lack belief in what they need to change, so end up neither going fast enough nor far enough.
    Their communications are very poor. Even if they achieve a win they allow it to be sold as a defeat. Some of the " trade deals" could be seen as more of a win than a loss. Deals are a negotiation that encompasses wins and losses. This bunch allow the Tory media to focus on the downs but make no attempt themselves to promote the ups.

    They didn't make enough of their legacy. They needed a Liam Byrne note to keep them afloat for a decade. I am sure they found plenty, but being naive and useless sent them all to the dumpster rather than the Guardian.
    Yes, they are probably 5/10 for governing and 1/10 for politics and comms.
    You are being very generous with your 1/10. They are the polar opposite of Johnson.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,479

    For those of us with a hosepipe ban:

    The boss of Yorkshire Water received a bonus of £371,000 on top of her base salary of £585,000 last year

    The water companies have made a killing, but done so under an EU legal framework that de facto banned new water infrastructure. We still have that today. Droughts in the summer and floods in the winter are policy.
    If water companies are banned from new infrastructure what the fuck have Wessex Water been doing for 9 months in the middle of Warminster.

    Why do I suspect your interpretation of the facts is somewhat suspect?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,648

    Good morning

    The biggest moment of peril for Badenoch is next May's Senedd and Holyrood elections

    On present polling she will have little choice but to resign or be replaced

    I agree.

    And the Tories in Wales are by my understanding (forgive me BigG if I'm wrong) rather rubbish and a bit 'uniparty', and perfect targets for a Reform take down.

    I think there's a bit more hope for them in Scotland. Reform are doing great in the South West and probably the North East but I am not sure they have saturated everywhere.

    I think in Scotland they need to go with the fiscally prudent message vs. Labour being a disaster and Reform having spendthrift tendencies.

    I think in Wales they need to have something completely different. Farage is going with 'dig baby dig' which is strong, but the Tories could (and I know I'm a broken record here) support the Swansea Bay tidal scheme, highlighting the difference - we still want reliable energy and jobs but we still care about the environment. 'A plan for Wales' could include some of this stuff. I don't think it will return the Tories to power, but I think it could retain some votes.
    Welsh Tories are imo targeting around 15% and 15 seats in the 96 seat Senedd - that's enough to keep them 'in the game' as one of four relevant Welsh parties, and possibly right on the heels of a punished Welsh Labour.
    Scottish Tories probably want to retain 3 constituencies and hit about 13 to 14% list
    The above is benchmark (I think) for Kemi survives/we are struggling along but OK
    I suspect that is ambitious. I couldn't tell you where Labour get a single vote from. But the Tories? Sneaking something in Monmouth, rural mid-Wales ( with the LDs and PC in the ascendency) or are you relying on the regional lists?
    Its all new, there are no regional lists anymore in Wales - 6 seats per each of the 16 'double constituency' on a d'hondt basis. 15% would generate somewhere around 15 seats. 10% in any given pair will likely be enough for 1 seat.
    That's what I think they'll be targeting, I'm not saying they'll get it. On current polling they are looking at just under teens % and maybe 10 seats
    The Cons in Wales need to throw their lot in with Ref. Whether that is advantageous before or after May is debatable. Over the last couple of decades they have been very Reformy (more so than in England) in their outlook.
    Any such arrangement probably flows from either support for a Reform administration if Reform go stratospheric or some sort of cooperation in opposition. Its not happening this side of May
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,479
    algarkirk said:

    Small tentative prediction: a doctor's strike will not be supported by the public and if it goes ahead will be a little turning point towards a 'we are all in this together, who do these people think they are' approach to reasonably well paid people in careers with prospects demanding massive amounts more from the taxpayer.

    I won’t support it. I’m offered 1.4%. I help train the next generation of pharmacists, surely that deserves pay restoration too?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 74,178

    For those of us with a hosepipe ban:

    The boss of Yorkshire Water received a bonus of £371,000 on top of her base salary of £585,000 last year

    The water companies have made a killing, but done so under an EU legal framework that de facto banned new water infrastructure. We still have that today. Droughts in the summer and floods in the winter are policy.
    If water companies are banned from new infrastructure what the fuck have Wessex Water been doing for 9 months in the middle of Warminster.

    Why do I suspect your interpretation of the facts is somewhat suspect?
    Tbf, I have been asking myself that question every time I drive through Hagley in Worcestershire where whatever the gas pipe company is called this week has just dug up the road for the seventh time in the last two and a half years.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,626
    algarkirk said:

    Small tentative prediction: a doctor's strike will not be supported by the public and if it goes ahead will be a little turning point towards a 'we are all in this together, who do these people think they are' approach to reasonably well paid people in careers with prospects demanding massive amounts more from the taxpayer.

    I was supportive of the last strike but not this one . Many people would like their salaries to have kept up with inflation going back years but doctors asking for another 29% seems both delusional and greedy given the current government finances . And giving into these strikes will open up a Pandora’s box of more problems as other public sector workers will start asking for bigger increases .
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,230
    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    Fishing said:

    I've just come back from ten days in Montenegro. Apart from being marred by various small frustrations like cheating taxi drivers and triple digit temperatures in Podogrica, it was an improbably fascinating trip - a country, like so many in Eastern Europe, apparently split down the middle between following its heart, towards its Slavic brethren Serbia and Russia, and its head, towards NATO and civilised Europe.

    As some commenters seem to appreciate my occasional postcards from foreign parts, I thought I'd share some thoughts:

    - they use the Euro, and this has clearly trapped them in an unsustainably strong currency. Things feel much more expensive than they should for a developing country at the back end of Europe, unemployment is obviously very high (14% officially, youth unemployment 26%, in reality probably significantly higher)
    - Russian influence EVERYWHERE. The most common petrol stations were Lukoil, many Russian banks (Sberbank etc) have branches in the towns, lots of signs in tourist areas where in Russian and the usual quota of Russian men obviously drunk by noon on the beaches
    - but every Montenegrin ministry in the capital flies an EU flag alongside the Montenegrin one, and some fly NATO flags as well. So it's an odd mix. Their national symbol is the double-headed eagle, simultaneously facing west and east, which seems somehow appropriate to the country.
    - the language situation is just as confused. Montenegrin itself is sort of a dialect of Serbian but sort of its own language. It only formally separated from Serbian in the 1990s. Most of the signs use the Latin script but some are in modified Cyrillic and a few are in English.
    - the people I talked to are also a mix - they look Mediterranean rather than Slavic, though their language and culture are obviously basically Serbian. They drive better than you'd expect for a country that's next to Albania, and actually stop at pedestrian crossings, which was unexpected
    - the US embassy in Podgorica is staggeringly ugly and larger than the former embassy in London on Grosvenor Square. For an obscure country of 600k, not a world power of 70m. God knows what Uncle Sam is thinking.
    - the food is good if uninspired - classic Balkan fare of grilled meat, potatoes, sauces, soups, etc.

    Anyway it was a good trip, though unfortunately I had to cut it short because of work. They won't become another Belarus as they are too far - geographically and culturally - from Russia but I will be interested to see if they can maintain their precarious national balancing act over the next couple of decades or if they will embrace the free world with all its problems and disappointments wholeheartedly.

    New US embassies are both staggeringly ugly, and away from city centres. They are constructed like alien forts, aimed preventing attacks and demonstrations. To be fair a number of US embassies have been attacked over the years, so not unreasonable, but it doesn't encourage the right mentality in their staff.
    Has anyone had a good look at the new London one?

    AIUI that is rather better in that respect (eg the "tank traps" are hidden).

    A good piece, albeit with a fair amount of architectural bollocks in it *.

    https://www.harvarddesignmagazine.org/articles/fortress-london-the-new-us-embassy-and-the-rise-of-counter-terror-urbanism/

    * To the north, the site is bordered with an English yew hedge, which leads to meadowland planted with species native to North America (“analogous to the special relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom”)
    Reminds me of the "god pod", the old EDS HQ in Plano constructed around the time Ross Perot sold the company

    http://john.thywissen.org/eds.html

    Allegedly the original idea was for the building to straddle a 6 lane highway, vetoed on security grounds.

    The attractive grasslands (cowherd was an official job title) hide tank traps (or so it was said)

    I did visit once. The entrance road leads to employee security gates, with armed guards. If you don't fancy that there is an exit lane to the visitors entrance with more armed guards. If you decline that the exit lane takes you straight back to the freeway going the wrong way so you can't easily return.

    The whole campus said GO AWAY
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,230

    Scott_xP said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    The contrast between year one of Starmer's government and year one of Blair's is quite telling.

    Within the first 12 months Blair had passed many changes that he wanted. Devolution, BoE independence, minimum wage etc etc etc all happened in the first 12 months.

    What the hell has Starmer done? Announcements that planning will be changed. Announcements that this, that or the other will happen.

    Where are the changes? We could have had a new planning system in place by now.

    Starmer is the sort of dull plodder who’d arrange a meeting to discuss a meeting.
    Not before there's been a meeting to discuss how the announcement of the meeting to discuss the meeting will proceed.
    Disgraceful.

    Are you suggesting that we leave out the meeting to discuss the budget and terms of reference for the meeting to discuss the biscuits for the meeting to discuss how the announcement of the meeting to discuss the meeting?!!

    That’s would be a catastrophic failure of Proper Government!
    Oh god, alright then ...

    You can't just arrange a big-ticket budgetary meeting willy nilly like that. It needs some proper prep. I suggest a meeting.
    There are a lot of meetings being organised seemingly at random.

    We need to have a meeting to align on how scheduling will be coordinated in future.
    All of these meeting could have been an
    email
    Sorry didn’t have time to check my email - been in back to back meetings all day
    Do we need to schedule some time to discuss your priorities?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,701
    edited 9:29AM
    IanB2 said:

    Fishing said:

    I've just come back from ten days in Montenegro. Apart from being marred by various small frustrations like cheating taxi drivers and triple digit temperatures in Podogrica, it was an improbably fascinating trip - a country, like so many in Eastern Europe, apparently split down the middle between following its heart, towards its Slavic brethren Serbia and Russia, and its head, towards NATO and civilised Europe.

    As some commenters seem to appreciate my occasional postcards from foreign parts, I thought I'd share some thoughts:

    - they use the Euro, and this has clearly trapped them in an unsustainably strong currency. Things feel much more expensive than they should for a developing country at the back end of Europe, unemployment is obviously very high (14% officially, youth unemployment 26%, in reality probably significantly higher)
    - Russian influence EVERYWHERE. The most common petrol stations were Lukoil, many Russian banks (Sberbank etc) have branches in the towns, lots of signs in tourist areas where in Russian and the usual quota of Russian men obviously drunk by noon on the beaches
    - but every Montenegrin ministry in the capital flies an EU flag alongside the Montenegrin one, and some fly NATO flags as well. So it's an odd mix. Their national symbol is the double-headed eagle, simultaneously facing west and east, which seems somehow appropriate to the country.
    - the language situation is just as confused. Montenegrin itself is sort of a dialect of Serbian but sort of its own language. It only formally separated from Serbian in the 1990s. Most of the signs use the Latin script but some are in modified Cyrillic and a few are in English.
    - the people I talked to are also a mix - they look Mediterranean rather than Slavic, though their language and culture are obviously basically Serbian. They drive better than you'd expect for a country that's next to Albania, and actually stop at pedestrian crossings, which was unexpected
    - the US embassy in Podgorica is staggeringly ugly and larger than the former embassy in London on Grosvenor Square. For an obscure country of 600k, not a world power of 70m. God knows what Uncle Sam is thinking.
    - the food is good if uninspired - classic Balkan fare of grilled meat, potatoes, sauces, soups, etc.

    Anyway it was a good trip, though unfortunately I had to cut it short because of work. They won't become another Belarus as they are too far - geographically and culturally - from Russia but I will be interested to see if they can maintain their precarious national balancing act over the next couple of decades or if they will embrace the free world with all its problems and disappointments wholeheartedly.

    Never been, but it’s sort of on my list. Isn’t it magnificently scenic, especially those old monasteries in the mountains next to the sea?
    I’ve never been either. Am now in a 3-way mix between spending time in our house in France, visiting places with the children that I know they will enjoy, before they’re too old (Paris next month, Morocco in October), doing bits of tourism on the back of work trips, and going on random jaunts with my country-collecting friend. The Balkan’s, as a driving trip, is on the visit with children list.

    My friend has mooted Cote D’Ivoire in January (he tends to co-opt me for the Francophone countries). Anyone been?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,524

    Italy have qualified for the cricket T20 world cup! Mamma mia, bravo.....

    Sadly Jersey missed out at the last despite knocking out Scotland. We will just have to focus on winning the Football a World Cup instead.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,224
    Scott_xP said:

    MattW said:

    Foxy said:

    Fishing said:

    I've just come back from ten days in Montenegro. Apart from being marred by various small frustrations like cheating taxi drivers and triple digit temperatures in Podogrica, it was an improbably fascinating trip - a country, like so many in Eastern Europe, apparently split down the middle between following its heart, towards its Slavic brethren Serbia and Russia, and its head, towards NATO and civilised Europe.

    As some commenters seem to appreciate my occasional postcards from foreign parts, I thought I'd share some thoughts:

    - they use the Euro, and this has clearly trapped them in an unsustainably strong currency. Things feel much more expensive than they should for a developing country at the back end of Europe, unemployment is obviously very high (14% officially, youth unemployment 26%, in reality probably significantly higher)
    - Russian influence EVERYWHERE. The most common petrol stations were Lukoil, many Russian banks (Sberbank etc) have branches in the towns, lots of signs in tourist areas where in Russian and the usual quota of Russian men obviously drunk by noon on the beaches
    - but every Montenegrin ministry in the capital flies an EU flag alongside the Montenegrin one, and some fly NATO flags as well. So it's an odd mix. Their national symbol is the double-headed eagle, simultaneously facing west and east, which seems somehow appropriate to the country.
    - the language situation is just as confused. Montenegrin itself is sort of a dialect of Serbian but sort of its own language. It only formally separated from Serbian in the 1990s. Most of the signs use the Latin script but some are in modified Cyrillic and a few are in English.
    - the people I talked to are also a mix - they look Mediterranean rather than Slavic, though their language and culture are obviously basically Serbian. They drive better than you'd expect for a country that's next to Albania, and actually stop at pedestrian crossings, which was unexpected
    - the US embassy in Podgorica is staggeringly ugly and larger than the former embassy in London on Grosvenor Square. For an obscure country of 600k, not a world power of 70m. God knows what Uncle Sam is thinking.
    - the food is good if uninspired - classic Balkan fare of grilled meat, potatoes, sauces, soups, etc.

    Anyway it was a good trip, though unfortunately I had to cut it short because of work. They won't become another Belarus as they are too far - geographically and culturally - from Russia but I will be interested to see if they can maintain their precarious national balancing act over the next couple of decades or if they will embrace the free world with all its problems and disappointments wholeheartedly.

    New US embassies are both staggeringly ugly, and away from city centres. They are constructed like alien forts, aimed preventing attacks and demonstrations. To be fair a number of US embassies have been attacked over the years, so not unreasonable, but it doesn't encourage the right mentality in their staff.
    Has anyone had a good look at the new London one?

    AIUI that is rather better in that respect (eg the "tank traps" are hidden).

    A good piece, albeit with a fair amount of architectural bollocks in it *.

    https://www.harvarddesignmagazine.org/articles/fortress-london-the-new-us-embassy-and-the-rise-of-counter-terror-urbanism/

    * To the north, the site is bordered with an English yew hedge, which leads to meadowland planted with species native to North America (“analogous to the special relationship between the United States and the United Kingdom”)
    Reminds me of the "god pod", the old EDS HQ in Plano constructed around the time Ross Perot sold the company

    http://john.thywissen.org/eds.html

    Allegedly the original idea was for the building to straddle a 6 lane highway, vetoed on security grounds.

    The attractive grasslands (cowherd was an official job title) hide tank traps (or so it was said)

    I did visit once. The entrance road leads to employee security gates, with armed guards. If you don't fancy that there is an exit lane to the visitors entrance with more armed guards. If you decline that the exit lane takes you straight back to the freeway going the wrong way so you can't easily return.

    The whole campus said GO AWAY
    I quite like the US Embassy windy "SECURITY MEASURES NEVER SEEN BEFORE IN LONDON" rhetoric, when a lot of it is just like the concept of the moat at the Tower, and the Ha-Has at Ham House and Syon Park.
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