Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Nice to see the old Norman Yoke trope getting some play though. IIRC from Robert Tombs' book on England it certainly was more dramatic than we often think of it, but bit late to keep being mad about it.
I think a lot of Bulgarians have gone abroad and worked in catering (as you do). A fair number have trained to be chefs
Now Bulgaria, esp Sofia, has a growing middle class and they are demanding good food (usually with an Italian slant), and the newly trained chefs have come home and they are providing
Even the “salad caprese” I had for lunch, at Rila Monastery, was simple and perfect. Ripe tomatoes, good mozzarella, ace bread, fresh torn basil, yum
GB News is not Fox News. Which is a shorter way of saying that I have faith in the British media landscape that they won't let Reform UK get away with shit the way that the right-leaning media do with Trump/GOP in the US. GB News might, but they are fringe.
Come the next general election, Farage will actually be put on the spot about his inability to keep a party together and, more importantly, about the fantasy of Reform UK's spending plans. What do voters do then?
The trusty British media landscape does seem a bit picky about who it holds to account. Truss was a danger to all we hold dear who should leave office and never show her face in public again when bond yields rose under her watch. They've been higher under Reeves and the 'British media landscape' was blithely indifferent.
I think that's just you focusing on the bias you're looking for. The media coverage of Starmer could hardly be described as positive.
How did these idiots get mixed up with the Wagner Group?
Online, probably. They saw lots of bots saying "Russia stronk!", how Ukrainians were Nazis (*), and how Ukraine started the war by not snuggling into the bosom of Mother Russia, and were 'encouraged' to perform this act.
They will not be alone. I suspect some of the more militant pro-Palestinian 'protestors' are getting similar encouragement, because it hurts *us*.
(*) A sadly common belief, even on here.
You can't be serious? They haven't been brainwashed into it by propaganda about Ukrainian Nazis.
This is Russia weaponising our diversity against us.
You are the one weaponising diversity. By exactly the sort of comment I'm responding to.
It's f-all to do with 'diversity'. I might as well say: "It's down to fuckwits like WilliamGlenn on t'Internet". We should abolish all WilliamGlenn's immediately!!!!
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
The best language in the world.
Norman Tebbit would have been proud of you. You have clearly passed the cricket test with flying colours.
Those stories circulating about new Reform controlled/led councils not following the wishes of the Reform councillors.
I wonder if those Reform councillors thought they could act like Trump and issue executive orders to do things.
Without understanding that things might be different in this country and at local government level.
We are very centralised and local government has little power. Where it does the law and finances (eg adult social care) highly constrain what can be done. That often leaves arguing over small stuff.
Without wishing to make to appear of little sir humphreys even majority run councils will be more limited than they think, and not just Reform cllrs will be surprised.
I think a lot of Bulgarians have gone abroad and worked in catering (as you do). A fair number have trained to be chefs
Now Bulgaria, esp Sofia, has a growing middle class and they are demanding good food (usually with an Italian slant), and the newly trained chefs have come home and they are providing
Even the “salad caprese” I had for lunch, at Rila Monastery, was simple and perfect. Ripe tomatoes, good mozzarella, ace bread, fresh torn basil, yum
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Nice to see the old Norman Yoke trope getting some play though. IIRC from Robert Tombs' book on England it certainly was more dramatic than we often think of it, but bit late to keep being mad about it.
I think if you lived in Yorkshire ca 1070 it was pretty grim. Hoc Est Vast as the Domesday Book still says of most of it in 1086 'it is wasted'. About 60% was destroyed/laid waste
They did a similar job round the Tees area in 1080
How did these idiots get mixed up with the Wagner Group?
Online, probably. They saw lots of bots saying "Russia stronk!", how Ukrainians were Nazis (*), and how Ukraine started the war by not snuggling into the bosom of Mother Russia, and were 'encouraged' to perform this act.
They will not be alone. I suspect some of the more militant pro-Palestinian 'protestors' are getting similar encouragement, because it hurts *us*.
(*) A sadly common belief, even on here.
You can't be serious? They haven't been brainwashed into it by propaganda about Ukrainian Nazis.
This is Russia weaponising our diversity against us.
You are the one weaponising diversity. By exactly the sort of comment I'm responding to.
It's f-all to do with 'diversity'. I might as well say: "It's down to fuckwits like WilliamGlenn on t'Internet". We should abolish all WilliamGlenn's immediately!!!!
Vladimir Putin is using hostile tactics to drive illegal migration to Britain in an attempt to overwhelm border defences and spark division in the UK, security insiders have claimed
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Nice to see the old Norman Yoke trope getting some play though. IIRC from Robert Tombs' book on England it certainly was more dramatic than we often think of it, but bit late to keep being mad about it.
If anything, I’d be pissed off if I was a Norman
They conquered England, bits of Ireland, huge swathes of France, Sicily, they already owned Scandinavia
But where are they now? Where is “Norman” culture and language? It does not exist. It has all been slowly absorbed into England, France, Italy
Yes their “names” and genes endure but so do those of everyone around 1000AD, as I proved to a skeptical @IanB2 the other day
All that fightin’ and winning’ and not THAT much to show for it
Yet a few thousand scruffy Angles landing on the shores of Suffolk in 500AD have the Entire English Language as their legacy. Global Cultural Hegemony
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Yes; language. Once upon a time I had to learn Anglo Saxon, which was quite fun, but its literature, while much lauded by its fans is actually a bit dull. Even Beowulf, which few read for the lols, is pretty hard going. I reread it just this year.
And then after the Norman conquest begins a strange age, but after quite a long time a light emerges which is Chaucer's prologue which is recognisably our language, and remarkably reads, in respect of content and purpose and humour and psychology, as something the 21st century can comprehend. Not only a language with a uniquely rich vocabulary has been born, but a way of writing which is with us still. Miraculous.
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Nice to see the old Norman Yoke trope getting some play though. IIRC from Robert Tombs' book on England it certainly was more dramatic than we often think of it, but bit late to keep being mad about it.
I think if you lived in Yorkshire ca 1070 it was pretty grim. Hoc Est Vast as the Domesday Book still says of most of it in 1086 'it is wasted'. About 60% was destroyed/laid waste
They did a similar job round the Tees area in 1080
Many places are overdue a good scouring. I'll leave people to pick their preference.
I think a lot of Bulgarians have gone abroad and worked in catering (as you do). A fair number have trained to be chefs
Now Bulgaria, esp Sofia, has a growing middle class and they are demanding good food (usually with an Italian slant), and the newly trained chefs have come home and they are providing
Even the “salad caprese” I had for lunch, at Rila Monastery, was simple and perfect. Ripe tomatoes, good mozzarella, ace bread, fresh torn basil, yum
You had a cheese and tomato sandwich.
Yes. And I actually thought that at the time - “this is a cheese and tomato sandwich” - but OMG it was a cheese and tomato sandwich in excelsis and next to Rila Monastery
Is there anything better than a really really really good cheese and tomato sandwich, done with the best cheese, the best bread, the best toms, and a cold glass of excellent beer, on a hot hot day?
How did these idiots get mixed up with the Wagner Group?
Online, probably. They saw lots of bots saying "Russia stronk!", how Ukrainians were Nazis (*), and how Ukraine started the war by not snuggling into the bosom of Mother Russia, and were 'encouraged' to perform this act.
They will not be alone. I suspect some of the more militant pro-Palestinian 'protestors' are getting similar encouragement, because it hurts *us*.
(*) A sadly common belief, even on here.
You can't be serious? They haven't been brainwashed into it by propaganda about Ukrainian Nazis.
This is Russia weaponising our diversity against us.
You are the one weaponising diversity. By exactly the sort of comment I'm responding to.
It's f-all to do with 'diversity'. I might as well say: "It's down to fuckwits like WilliamGlenn on t'Internet". We should abolish all WilliamGlenn's immediately!!!!
Vladimir Putin is using hostile tactics to drive illegal migration to Britain in an attempt to overwhelm border defences and spark division in the UK, security insiders have claimed
My God! You've actually cottoned on! I've been going on about that for *years*!
(See also the problem at Russia flying in migrants to Russia/Belarus and sending them to Poland / the Baltic border)
But again, that's not 'diversity', you unintelligent fetid slug. You pustule on the arse of humanity.
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Nice to see the old Norman Yoke trope getting some play though. IIRC from Robert Tombs' book on England it certainly was more dramatic than we often think of it, but bit late to keep being mad about it.
Yet a few thousand scruffy Angles landing on the shores of Suffolk in 500AD have the Entire English Language as their legacy. Global Cultural Hegemony
Norfolk. The North Folk were obviously the superior part of those settlements. We dont count Northumbria (or Lindsey)
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Nice to see the old Norman Yoke trope getting some play though. IIRC from Robert Tombs' book on England it certainly was more dramatic than we often think of it, but bit late to keep being mad about it.
If anything, I’d be pissed off if I was a Norman
They conquered England, bits of Ireland, huge swathes of France, Sicily, they already owned Scandinavia
But where are they now? Where is “Norman” culture and language? It does not exist. It has all been slowly absorbed into England, France, Italy
Yes their “names” and genes endure but so do those of everyone around 1000AD, as I proved to a skeptical @IanB2 the other day
All that fightin’ and winning’ and not THAT much to show for it
Yet a few thousand scruffy Angles landing on the shores of Suffolk in 500AD have the Entire English Language as their legacy. Global Cultural Hegemony
I see the point, but the language thing is paramount, given that of course by the time they got to 1066 their language was a sort of French.
Take any passage of Jane Austen, and translate it into an English using only words which don't derive from the French/Romance/Latin tradition. And then consider the difference. A Norman triumph.
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Nice to see the old Norman Yoke trope getting some play though. IIRC from Robert Tombs' book on England it certainly was more dramatic than we often think of it, but bit late to keep being mad about it.
If anything, I’d be pissed off if I was a Norman
They conquered England, bits of Ireland, huge swathes of France, Sicily, they already owned Scandinavia
But where are they now? Where is “Norman” culture and language? It does not exist. It has all been slowly absorbed into England, France, Italy
Yes their “names” and genes endure but so do those of everyone around 1000AD, as I proved to a skeptical @IanB2 the other day
All that fightin’ and winning’ and not THAT much to show for it
Yet a few thousand scruffy Angles landing on the shores of Suffolk in 500AD have the Entire English Language as their legacy. Global Cultural Hegemony
There's another PB'er who could use some tips on how to (try and) retreat from a hopeless position, who could maybe use your advice...
Are these mountains of yours that much of a detour for someone driving from Romania to Greece?
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Yes; language. Once upon a time I had to learn Anglo Saxon, which was quite fun, but its literature, while much lauded by its fans is actually a bit dull. Even Beowulf, which few read for the lols, is pretty hard going. I reread it just this year.
And then after the Norman conquest begins a strange age, but after quite a long time a light emerges which is Chaucer's prologue which is recognisably our language, and remarkably reads, in respect of content and purpose and humour and psychology, as something the 21st century can comprehend. Not only a language with a uniquely rich vocabulary has been born, but a way of writing which is with us still. Miraculous.
Yes, exactly, and we needed the French-speaking Normans to do that, it was a two way thing
And together we made a language which is 1. vastly superior and 2. Way more globally powerful and influential than French. Heh
It must have been a moving moment, when the English parliament and courts reverted to English, 300-odd years after Hastings
How did these idiots get mixed up with the Wagner Group?
Online, probably. They saw lots of bots saying "Russia stronk!", how Ukrainians were Nazis (*), and how Ukraine started the war by not snuggling into the bosom of Mother Russia, and were 'encouraged' to perform this act.
They will not be alone. I suspect some of the more militant pro-Palestinian 'protestors' are getting similar encouragement, because it hurts *us*.
(*) A sadly common belief, even on here.
You can't be serious? They haven't been brainwashed into it by propaganda about Ukrainian Nazis.
This is Russia weaponising our diversity against us.
You are the one weaponising diversity. By exactly the sort of comment I'm responding to.
It's f-all to do with 'diversity'. I might as well say: "It's down to fuckwits like WilliamGlenn on t'Internet". We should abolish all WilliamGlenn's immediately!!!!
Vladimir Putin is using hostile tactics to drive illegal migration to Britain in an attempt to overwhelm border defences and spark division in the UK, security insiders have claimed
My God! You've actually cottoned on! I've been going on about that for *years*!
(See also the problem at Russia flying in migrants to Russia/Belarus and sending them to Poland / the Baltic border)
But again, that's not 'diversity', you unintelligent fetid slug. You pustule on the arse of humanity.
They're literally paying roadmen of foreign origin to commit arson. And your response is to insult me? If Putin's aim is to create division then you are his willing helper.
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Nice to see the old Norman Yoke trope getting some play though. IIRC from Robert Tombs' book on England it certainly was more dramatic than we often think of it, but bit late to keep being mad about it.
If anything, I’d be pissed off if I was a Norman
They conquered England, bits of Ireland, huge swathes of France, Sicily, they already owned Scandinavia
But where are they now? Where is “Norman” culture and language? It does not exist. It has all been slowly absorbed into England, France, Italy
Yes their “names” and genes endure but so do those of everyone around 1000AD, as I proved to a skeptical @IanB2 the other day
All that fightin’ and winning’ and not THAT much to show for it
Yet a few thousand scruffy Angles landing on the shores of Suffolk in 500AD have the Entire English Language as their legacy. Global Cultural Hegemony
Their language lives on to an extent in the Channel Islands as our native languages are “Norman French”. A French ex of mine said that when she first arrived here she thought we were taking the piss and writing signs in some made up cod-French.
Their architecture lives on in many churches and cathedrals in the Uk and Normandy with the Romanesque style.
It looks like their hairstyles live on too on many young English footballers. So, not all bad for the Norman legacy.
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
Given that we didn't have a word for 'curtain' and a word for 'chair' until the Normans came along, there were evidently some compensations.
.@POTUS on the war in Ukraine: "A lot of people are dying and it should end. We get a lot of bullshit thrown at us by Putin — you want to know the truth. He's very nice all the time, but it turns out to be meaningless."
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Nice to see the old Norman Yoke trope getting some play though. IIRC from Robert Tombs' book on England it certainly was more dramatic than we often think of it, but bit late to keep being mad about it.
If anything, I’d be pissed off if I was a Norman
They conquered England, bits of Ireland, huge swathes of France, Sicily, they already owned Scandinavia
But where are they now? Where is “Norman” culture and language? It does not exist. It has all been slowly absorbed into England, France, Italy
Yes their “names” and genes endure but so do those of everyone around 1000AD, as I proved to a skeptical @IanB2 the other day
All that fightin’ and winning’ and not THAT much to show for it
Yet a few thousand scruffy Angles landing on the shores of Suffolk in 500AD have the Entire English Language as their legacy. Global Cultural Hegemony
There's another PB'er who could use some tips on how to (try and) retreat from a hopeless position, who could maybe use your advice...
Are these mountains of yours that much of a detour for someone driving from Romania to Greece?
You were completely right about that, and I was completely wrong
I happily yield. I had no idea it was so mathematically certain that 90%+ of anyone alive in Europe today is a DIRECT descendant of Charlemagne or the Conqueror or anyone who had a reasonable number of kids and grandkids
Yet so it is. Of course my position is different in that I have a “provable” paper descent but that is NOT what I was arguing at the time and I was wrong. I’m not sure why I was so stubborn in admitting this, I was likely in a pugnacious mood and looking to fight on regardless
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
Given that we didn't have a word for 'curtain' and a word for 'chair' until the Normans came along, there were evidently some compensations.
We also didn’t have the word “beef”. Imagine where we would be today if we didn’t have beef curtains as English words.
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Yes; language. Once upon a time I had to learn Anglo Saxon, which was quite fun, but its literature, while much lauded by its fans is actually a bit dull. Even Beowulf, which few read for the lols, is pretty hard going. I reread it just this year.
And then after the Norman conquest begins a strange age, but after quite a long time a light emerges which is Chaucer's prologue which is recognisably our language, and remarkably reads, in respect of content and purpose and humour and psychology, as something the 21st century can comprehend. Not only a language with a uniquely rich vocabulary has been born, but a way of writing which is with us still. Miraculous.
Yes, exactly, and we needed the French-speaking Normans to do that, it was a two way thing
And together we made a language which is 1. vastly superior and 2. Way more globally powerful and influential than French. Heh
It must have been a moving moment, when the English parliament and courts reverted to English, 300-odd years after Hastings
Laws were in Latin, I think, but yes, another side-effect of the Black Death. Ended French. Raised wages. Gave us surnames. And probably some other stuff I've forgotten, like killing half the population, very much the Covid of its day.
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Nice to see the old Norman Yoke trope getting some play though. IIRC from Robert Tombs' book on England it certainly was more dramatic than we often think of it, but bit late to keep being mad about it.
I think if you lived in Yorkshire ca 1070 it was pretty grim. Hoc Est Vast as the Domesday Book still says of most of it in 1086 'it is wasted'. About 60% was destroyed/laid waste
They did a similar job round the Tees area in 1080
Many places are overdue a good scouring. I'll leave people to pick their preference.
It is difficult to interpret what exactly the Harrying of the North truly consisted of. Certainly there was a destruction of the pre-conquest manorial system but to suggest there was the manpower to hunt out every group of houses really isn't on. And if there was destruction on that scale there would be archaeological evidence. We do know a series of Motte And Bailey Castles were built up the Lune Valley to defend the Scottish Border and as they ignore the manorial boundaries that must have been a direct Royal intervention. These were not rebuilt in stone because of the border being moved from the Howgill Fells to its present location in 1092. And so the Chief Lordship of Whittington, including Sedbergh has the distinction of being the last entry in the Domesday Book - no Ravenstonedale or Kirkby Stephen, they were in Scotland.
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Nice to see the old Norman Yoke trope getting some play though. IIRC from Robert Tombs' book on England it certainly was more dramatic than we often think of it, but bit late to keep being mad about it.
If anything, I’d be pissed off if I was a Norman
They conquered England, bits of Ireland, huge swathes of France, Sicily, they already owned Scandinavia
But where are they now? Where is “Norman” culture and language? It does not exist. It has all been slowly absorbed into England, France, Italy
Yes their “names” and genes endure but so do those of everyone around 1000AD, as I proved to a skeptical @IanB2 the other day
All that fightin’ and winning’ and not THAT much to show for it
Yet a few thousand scruffy Angles landing on the shores of Suffolk in 500AD have the Entire English Language as their legacy. Global Cultural Hegemony
I see the point, but the language thing is paramount, given that of course by the time they got to 1066 their language was a sort of French.
Take any passage of Jane Austen, and translate it into an English using only words which don't derive from the French/Romance/Latin tradition. And then consider the difference. A Norman triumph.
No. Absolutely not. Anglo-Saxon is the muscle and sinew of English. The bone as well., Look at our swear words
But Norman French softened it and made it more beautiful and comely. I’m not sure they’d regard this as a triumph given their actual military triumphs of the time. I expect the Bastard would be horrified
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Yes; language. Once upon a time I had to learn Anglo Saxon, which was quite fun, but its literature, while much lauded by its fans is actually a bit dull. Even Beowulf, which few read for the lols, is pretty hard going. I reread it just this year.
And then after the Norman conquest begins a strange age, but after quite a long time a light emerges which is Chaucer's prologue which is recognisably our language, and remarkably reads, in respect of content and purpose and humour and psychology, as something the 21st century can comprehend. Not only a language with a uniquely rich vocabulary has been born, but a way of writing which is with us still. Miraculous.
Yes, exactly, and we needed the French-speaking Normans to do that, it was a two way thing
And together we made a language which is 1. vastly superior and 2. Way more globally powerful and influential than French. Heh
It must have been a moving moment, when the English parliament and courts reverted to English, 300-odd years after Hastings
Laws were in Latin, I think, but yes, another side-effect of the Black Death. Ended French. Raised wages. Gave us surnames. And probably some other stuff I've forgotten, like killing half the population, very much the Covid of its day.
Didn’t we already have surnames? Harold Godwinson, Edith Swanneck, Alfred T Great etc.
I think a lot of Bulgarians have gone abroad and worked in catering (as you do). A fair number have trained to be chefs
Now Bulgaria, esp Sofia, has a growing middle class and they are demanding good food (usually with an Italian slant), and the newly trained chefs have come home and they are providing
Even the “salad caprese” I had for lunch, at Rila Monastery, was simple and perfect. Ripe tomatoes, good mozzarella, ace bread, fresh torn basil, yum
You had a cheese and tomato sandwich.
Yes. And I actually thought that at the time - “this is a cheese and tomato sandwich” - but OMG it was a cheese and tomato sandwich in excelsis and next to Rila Monastery
Is there anything better than a really really really good cheese and tomato sandwich, done with the best cheese, the best bread, the best toms, and a cold glass of excellent beer, on a hot hot day?
No, there isn’t. And this was that
Simplicity is everything. IF YOU CAN NAIL IT
The disappearance of the sandwich bar from city (and City) streets is a modern tragedy, replaced by pre-packaged, chilled, stale, factory-made meal deals and bloody Subway. Nigel Farage should look into their restoration.
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
Given that we didn't have a word for 'curtain' and a word for 'chair' until the Normans came along, there were evidently some compensations.
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Yes; language. Once upon a time I had to learn Anglo Saxon, which was quite fun, but its literature, while much lauded by its fans is actually a bit dull. Even Beowulf, which few read for the lols, is pretty hard going. I reread it just this year.
And then after the Norman conquest begins a strange age, but after quite a long time a light emerges which is Chaucer's prologue which is recognisably our language, and remarkably reads, in respect of content and purpose and humour and psychology, as something the 21st century can comprehend. Not only a language with a uniquely rich vocabulary has been born, but a way of writing which is with us still. Miraculous.
Yes, exactly, and we needed the French-speaking Normans to do that, it was a two way thing
And together we made a language which is 1. vastly superior and 2. Way more globally powerful and influential than French. Heh
It must have been a moving moment, when the English parliament and courts reverted to English, 300-odd years after Hastings
Laws were in Latin, I think, but yes, another side-effect of the Black Death. Ended French. Raised wages. Gave us surnames. And probably some other stuff I've forgotten, like killing half the population, very much the Covid of its day.
Didn’t we already have surnames? Harold Godwinson, Edith Swanneck, Alfred T Great etc.
Godwinson isn’t a surname as his kids would be Haroldson. Swan neck is a descriptor and Alfred the Great wasn’t known as that during his reign.
.@POTUS on the war in Ukraine: "A lot of people are dying and it should end. We get a lot of bullshit thrown at us by Putin — you want to know the truth. He's very nice all the time, but it turns out to be meaningless."
Dear heaven.
Has Trump actually had a lucid moment?
Oh no, he said Vladimir Putin was ‘very nice all the time.’
How did these idiots get mixed up with the Wagner Group?
Online, probably. They saw lots of bots saying "Russia stronk!", how Ukrainians were Nazis (*), and how Ukraine started the war by not snuggling into the bosom of Mother Russia, and were 'encouraged' to perform this act.
They will not be alone. I suspect some of the more militant pro-Palestinian 'protestors' are getting similar encouragement, because it hurts *us*.
(*) A sadly common belief, even on here.
You can't be serious? They haven't been brainwashed into it by propaganda about Ukrainian Nazis.
This is Russia weaponising our diversity against us.
You are the one weaponising diversity. By exactly the sort of comment I'm responding to.
It's f-all to do with 'diversity'. I might as well say: "It's down to fuckwits like WilliamGlenn on t'Internet". We should abolish all WilliamGlenn's immediately!!!!
Vladimir Putin is using hostile tactics to drive illegal migration to Britain in an attempt to overwhelm border defences and spark division in the UK, security insiders have claimed
My God! You've actually cottoned on! I've been going on about that for *years*!
(See also the problem at Russia flying in migrants to Russia/Belarus and sending them to Poland / the Baltic border)
But again, that's not 'diversity', you unintelligent fetid slug. You pustule on the arse of humanity.
They're literally paying roadmen of foreign origin to commit arson. And your response is to insult me? If Putin's aim is to create division then you are his willing helper.
What has that got to do with 'diversity' ?
And I didn't hear you squeak up in complaint when the right-wing American 'influencers' like Pool and Rubin, were paid by Russians to spread pro-Moscow propaganda.
But I guess they don't fit in with your 'diversity' shit.
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
Given that we didn't have a word for 'curtain' and a word for 'chair' until the Normans came along, there were evidently some compensations.
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Yes; language. Once upon a time I had to learn Anglo Saxon, which was quite fun, but its literature, while much lauded by its fans is actually a bit dull. Even Beowulf, which few read for the lols, is pretty hard going. I reread it just this year.
And then after the Norman conquest begins a strange age, but after quite a long time a light emerges which is Chaucer's prologue which is recognisably our language, and remarkably reads, in respect of content and purpose and humour and psychology, as something the 21st century can comprehend. Not only a language with a uniquely rich vocabulary has been born, but a way of writing which is with us still. Miraculous.
Yes, exactly, and we needed the French-speaking Normans to do that, it was a two way thing
And together we made a language which is 1. vastly superior and 2. Way more globally powerful and influential than French. Heh
It must have been a moving moment, when the English parliament and courts reverted to English, 300-odd years after Hastings
Laws were in Latin, I think, but yes, another side-effect of the Black Death. Ended French. Raised wages. Gave us surnames. And probably some other stuff I've forgotten, like killing half the population, very much the Covid of its day.
Didn’t we already have surnames? Harold Godwinson, Edith Swanneck, Alfred T Great etc.
Godwinson isn’t a surname as his kids would be Haroldson. Swan neck is a descriptor and Alfred the Great wasn’t known as that during his reign.
The Icelanders do that with surnames - Björk is Gudmunsdottir and they are still surnames. Usually take the father’s first name but can take the mother’s.
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Nice to see the old Norman Yoke trope getting some play though. IIRC from Robert Tombs' book on England it certainly was more dramatic than we often think of it, but bit late to keep being mad about it.
If anything, I’d be pissed off if I was a Norman
They conquered England, bits of Ireland, huge swathes of France, Sicily, they already owned Scandinavia
But where are they now? Where is “Norman” culture and language? It does not exist. It has all been slowly absorbed into England, France, Italy
Yes their “names” and genes endure but so do those of everyone around 1000AD, as I proved to a skeptical @IanB2 the other day
All that fightin’ and winning’ and not THAT much to show for it
Yet a few thousand scruffy Angles landing on the shores of Suffolk in 500AD have the Entire English Language as their legacy. Global Cultural Hegemony
There's another PB'er who could use some tips on how to (try and) retreat from a hopeless position, who could maybe use your advice...
Are these mountains of yours that much of a detour for someone driving from Romania to Greece?
You were completely right about that, and I was completely wrong
I happily yield. I had no idea it was so mathematically certain that 90%+ of anyone alive in Europe today is a DIRECT descendant of Charlemagne or the Conqueror or anyone who had a reasonable number of kids and grandkids
Yet so it is. Of course my position is different in that I have a “provable” paper descent but that is NOT what I was arguing at the time and I was wrong. I’m not sure why I was so stubborn in admitting this, I was likely in a pugnacious mood and looking to fight on regardless
Glad you are enjoying Norway
That was a nice post. I was part of that argument and your post there is appreciated. Good on you.
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
Given that we didn't have a word for 'curtain' and a word for 'chair' until the Normans came along, there were evidently some compensations.
We also didn’t have the word “beef”. Imagine where we would be today if we didn’t have beef curtains as English words.
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Yes; language. Once upon a time I had to learn Anglo Saxon, which was quite fun, but its literature, while much lauded by its fans is actually a bit dull. Even Beowulf, which few read for the lols, is pretty hard going. I reread it just this year.
And then after the Norman conquest begins a strange age, but after quite a long time a light emerges which is Chaucer's prologue which is recognisably our language, and remarkably reads, in respect of content and purpose and humour and psychology, as something the 21st century can comprehend. Not only a language with a uniquely rich vocabulary has been born, but a way of writing which is with us still. Miraculous.
Yes, exactly, and we needed the French-speaking Normans to do that, it was a two way thing
And together we made a language which is 1. vastly superior and 2. Way more globally powerful and influential than French. Heh
It must have been a moving moment, when the English parliament and courts reverted to English, 300-odd years after Hastings
Laws were in Latin, I think, but yes, another side-effect of the Black Death. Ended French. Raised wages. Gave us surnames. And probably some other stuff I've forgotten, like killing half the population, very much the Covid of its day.
Didn’t we already have surnames? Harold Godwinson, Edith Swanneck, Alfred T Great etc.
Godwinson isn’t a surname as his kids would be Haroldson. Swan neck is a descriptor and Alfred the Great wasn’t known as that during his reign.
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
Given that we didn't have a word for 'curtain' and a word for 'chair' until the Normans came along, there were evidently some compensations.
.@POTUS on the war in Ukraine: "A lot of people are dying and it should end. We get a lot of bullshit thrown at us by Putin — you want to know the truth. He's very nice all the time, but it turns out to be meaningless."
Dear heaven.
Has Trump actually had a lucid moment?
Oh no, he said Vladimir Putin was ‘very nice all the time.’
As you were.
The senile old fool takes a while to catch on (or is dissembling again). Either way, he'll have essentially forgotten about it by tomorrow.
... and before you say "that's a bit harsh on william", let me make it clear I meant Trump.
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Nice to see the old Norman Yoke trope getting some play though. IIRC from Robert Tombs' book on England it certainly was more dramatic than we often think of it, but bit late to keep being mad about it.
I think if you lived in Yorkshire ca 1070 it was pretty grim. Hoc Est Vast as the Domesday Book still says of most of it in 1086 'it is wasted'. About 60% was destroyed/laid waste
They did a similar job round the Tees area in 1080
Many places are overdue a good scouring. I'll leave people to pick their preference.
It is difficult to interpret what exactly the Harrying of the North truly consisted of. Certainly there was a destruction of the pre-conquest manorial system but to suggest there was the manpower to hunt out every group of houses really isn't on. And if there was destruction on that scale there would be archaeological evidence. We do know a series of Motte And Bailey Castles were built up the Lune Valley to defend the Scottish Border and as they ignore the manorial boundaries that must have been a direct Royal intervention. These were not rebuilt in stone because of the border being moved from the Howgill Fells to its present location in 1092. And so the Chief Lordship of Whittington, including Sedbergh has the distinction of being the last entry in the Domesday Book - no Ravenstonedale or Kirkby Stephen, they were in Scotland.
We have the Domesday book entries with relevant estate values etc 1066 to 1086 and multiple entries of 'hoc est vast' as stated before. 'It is laid waste/it is wasted'. There is a 75% decline in population in whats now Yorkshire between the two dates - a loss of approximately 150,000 people and up to 2/3 of villages had ruined or destroyed manors. So at least the manors were burned and the population killed or chased permanently away Given he used the DB to raise tax its unlikely he fiddled the figures downwards
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Don't forget the non-frenchified Vikings. Who most of us imagine came from places like where I am now, remote islands, snow capped mountains, deep fjords, whereas in reality most of them came from Denmark which mostly looks like Cambridgeshire, plus sea.
Whereas the vocab of English owes more to AngloSaxon and French than Norse, in its structure it has a fair few features in common with Norse, such that some linguistic experts argue that the contribution of Old Norse to Old and then Middle English is fundamental. Our "they/them" comes from Norse, and we have Norse to thank for dodging the German affectation of putting the verb at the end of sentence. The reason 'be' and 'am/are' turns into the completely unrelated 'will' in future tense is that the latter is imported from Norse. Preposition stranding (such as 'who are you talking to? What are you looking at?) is unique to Middle English and Norse languages. It's highly unusual for contact with a second language to influence fundamental syntax, normally it's just new vocab. Hence the (minority) view that Middle English derives from Old Norse.
.@POTUS on the war in Ukraine: "A lot of people are dying and it should end. We get a lot of bullshit thrown at us by Putin — you want to know the truth. He's very nice all the time, but it turns out to be meaningless."
Ex-KGB psychopath good at manipulating fool - SHOCK
It really is like having a ten-year-old boy as [US] President - no judgement, poor impulse control, an abysmal attention span, quite staggering arrogance, and total ignorance of, well, everything useful in being President (though not, unfortunately, in becoming President).
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Don't forget the non-frenchified Vikings. Who most of us imagine came from places like where I am now, remote islands, snow capped mountains, deep fjords, whereas in reality most of them came from Denmark which mostly looks like Cambridgeshire, plus sea.
Whereas the vocab of English owes more to AngloSaxon and French than Norse, in its structure it has a fair few features in common with Norse, such that some linguistic experts argue that the contribution of Old Norse to Old and then Middle English is fundamental. Our "they/them" comes from Norse, and we have Norse to thank for dodging the German affectation of putting the verb at the end of sentence. The reason 'be' and 'am/are' turns into the completely unrelated 'will' in future tense is that the latter is imported from Norse. Preposition stranding (such as 'who are you talking to? What are you looking at?) is unique to Middle English and Norse languages. It's highly unusual for contact with a second language to influence fundamental syntax, normally it's just new vocab. Hence the (minority) view that Middle English derives from Old Norse.
It might be worth Nigel just quitting Reform and starting a new vehicle. That way he can hand pick the capable members to join him while leaving behind the rotters to tear themselves apart. Reform has succeeded in wrecking the Tory party and has made the concept of voting for populists not as ridiculous as it once seemed, so it's done its job. Nigel doesn't need to keep it if it's going to hinder him.
I think that the Tory party had already thoroughly succeeded in wrecking itself, Farage or no Farage.
Gregg Wallace has been sacked as MasterChef presenter as a result of an inquiry into alleged misconduct, BBC News understands.
It comes as 50 more people have approached the BBC with fresh claims about the TV presenter - including allegations he groped one MasterChef worker and pulled his trousers down in front of another. Wallace denies the claims.
.@POTUS on the war in Ukraine: "A lot of people are dying and it should end. We get a lot of bullshit thrown at us by Putin — you want to know the truth. He's very nice all the time, but it turns out to be meaningless."
Ex-KGB psychopath good at manipulating fool - SHOCK
It really is like having a ten-year-old boy as [US] President - no judgement, poor impulse control, an abysmal attention span, quite staggering arrogance, and total ignorance of, well, everything useful in being President (though not, unfortunately, in becoming President).
From an anonymous service report on an officer:
He has the wisdom of youth, and the energy of extreme old age.
But as to the substantive point- we live in a world where it's easier to game the processes of getting a top job than it is to actually be good enough to merit a top job. Trump is merely the most blatant example of this. This is a bad thing, but I don't know what we do about it without making other things worse.
Bayeux tapestry deal done. I think it was announced in maybe 2018?
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Yes; language. Once upon a time I had to learn Anglo Saxon, which was quite fun, but its literature, while much lauded by its fans is actually a bit dull. Even Beowulf, which few read for the lols, is pretty hard going. I reread it just this year.
And then after the Norman conquest begins a strange age, but after quite a long time a light emerges which is Chaucer's prologue which is recognisably our language, and remarkably reads, in respect of content and purpose and humour and psychology, as something the 21st century can comprehend. Not only a language with a uniquely rich vocabulary has been born, but a way of writing which is with us still. Miraculous.
Yes, exactly, and we needed the French-speaking Normans to do that, it was a two way thing
And together we made a language which is 1. vastly superior and 2. Way more globally powerful and influential than French. Heh
It must have been a moving moment, when the English parliament and courts reverted to English, 300-odd years after Hastings
Laws were in Latin, I think, but yes, another side-effect of the Black Death. Ended French. Raised wages. Gave us surnames. And probably some other stuff I've forgotten, like killing half the population, very much the Covid of its day.
Didn’t we already have surnames? Harold Godwinson, Edith Swanneck, Alfred T Great etc.
Godwinson isn’t a surname as his kids would be Haroldson. Swan neck is a descriptor and Alfred the Great wasn’t known as that during his reign.
The Icelanders do that with surnames - Björk is Gudmunsdottir and they are still surnames. Usually take the father’s first name but can take the mother’s.
Gregg Wallace has been sacked as MasterChef presenter as a result of an inquiry into alleged misconduct, BBC News understands.
It comes as 50 more people have approached the BBC with fresh claims about the TV presenter - including allegations he groped one MasterChef worker and pulled his trousers down in front of another. Wallace denies the claims.
So another of their most successful shows is once again put on the funeral pyre of political correctness. I am really not sure that the BBC is in tune with its audience about this, just as they weren’t with Clarkson and Top Gear. I will miss it and almost certainly not watch their attempts to revive the corpse.
Gregg Wallace has been sacked as MasterChef presenter as a result of an inquiry into alleged misconduct, BBC News understands.
It comes as 50 more people have approached the BBC with fresh claims about the TV presenter - including allegations he groped one MasterChef worker and pulled his trousers down in front of another. Wallace denies the claims.
So another of their most successful shows is once again put on the funeral pyre of political correctness. I am really not sure that the BBC is in tune with its audience about this, just as they weren’t with Clarkson and Top Gear. I will miss it and almost certainly not watch their attempts to revive the corpse.
On R4 a lady alleged that he pushed her down on a sofa then dropped his trousers sans underwear. Does "political correctness gone mad" now encompass ignoring sexual crimes? I think MasterChef will survive without Wallace.
Gregg Wallace has been sacked as MasterChef presenter as a result of an inquiry into alleged misconduct, BBC News understands.
It comes as 50 more people have approached the BBC with fresh claims about the TV presenter - including allegations he groped one MasterChef worker and pulled his trousers down in front of another. Wallace denies the claims.
So another of their most successful shows is once again put on the funeral pyre of political correctness. I am really not sure that the BBC is in tune with its audience about this, just as they weren’t with Clarkson and Top Gear. I will miss it and almost certainly not watch their attempts to revive the corpse.
The next series has the vile (lack of) Grace Dent in his place and after that who knows.
Gregg Wallace has been sacked as MasterChef presenter as a result of an inquiry into alleged misconduct, BBC News understands.
It comes as 50 more people have approached the BBC with fresh claims about the TV presenter - including allegations he groped one MasterChef worker and pulled his trousers down in front of another. Wallace denies the claims.
So another of their most successful shows is once again put on the funeral pyre of political correctness. I am really not sure that the BBC is in tune with its audience about this, just as they weren’t with Clarkson and Top Gear. I will miss it and almost certainly not watch their attempts to revive the corpse.
The next series has the vile (lack of) Grace Dent in his place and after that who knows.
Gregg Wallace has been sacked as MasterChef presenter as a result of an inquiry into alleged misconduct, BBC News understands.
It comes as 50 more people have approached the BBC with fresh claims about the TV presenter - including allegations he groped one MasterChef worker and pulled his trousers down in front of another. Wallace denies the claims.
So another of their most successful shows is once again put on the funeral pyre of political correctness. I am really not sure that the BBC is in tune with its audience about this, just as they weren’t with Clarkson and Top Gear. I will miss it and almost certainly not watch their attempts to revive the corpse.
It's a tricky one.
One one hand, Greg Wallace is a goose who lays golden eggs. On the other, he is a goose who... gooses. Or something similarly dubious. And at some point, you can't keep people like that on, no matter how much value they bring in. Employers should debate where the line is drawn (a world where the accusations against Jimmy Saville would have been taken seriously at the time would have been a better world), but there clearly is a line.
Gregg Wallace has been sacked as MasterChef presenter as a result of an inquiry into alleged misconduct, BBC News understands.
It comes as 50 more people have approached the BBC with fresh claims about the TV presenter - including allegations he groped one MasterChef worker and pulled his trousers down in front of another. Wallace denies the claims.
It’s a really long handkerchief. It depicts events in England. It was almost certainly woven in England
We shouldn’t be thanking the French Prez for lending it, we should be demanding it back
Not sure lecturing other countries on this matter is the way to go . Unless you also support Greece getting the Elgin Marbles back .
I suspect there was a touch of irony in Leon's post.
But I don't massively want a massive depiction of English defeat. The French are trolling us here.
It depicts the defeat of the Saxons. They were German, not English.
I still maintain the Norman conquest was the greatest disaster ever to hit our ancestors - greater even than the Roman Empire. Of course, its slightly complicated by the small but non zero part of our ancestors who were Norman.
This is silly
It was the fusion of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norman virtues which made Britain great. And I mean that
The Normans also brought a lot to the English language
Don't forget the non-frenchified Vikings. Who most of us imagine came from places like where I am now, remote islands, snow capped mountains, deep fjords, whereas in reality most of them came from Denmark which mostly looks like Cambridgeshire, plus sea.
Whereas the vocab of English owes more to AngloSaxon and French than Norse, in its structure it has a fair few features in common with Norse, such that some linguistic experts argue that the contribution of Old Norse to Old and then Middle English is fundamental. Our "they/them" comes from Norse, and we have Norse to thank for dodging the German affectation of putting the verb at the end of sentence. The reason 'be' and 'am/are' turns into the completely unrelated 'will' in future tense is that the latter is imported from Norse. Preposition stranding (such as 'who are you talking to? What are you looking at?) is unique to Middle English and Norse languages. It's highly unusual for contact with a second language to influence fundamental syntax, normally it's just new vocab. Hence the (minority) view that Middle English derives from Old Norse.
Gregg Wallace has been sacked as MasterChef presenter as a result of an inquiry into alleged misconduct, BBC News understands.
It comes as 50 more people have approached the BBC with fresh claims about the TV presenter - including allegations he groped one MasterChef worker and pulled his trousers down in front of another. Wallace denies the claims.
So another of their most successful shows is once again put on the funeral pyre of political correctness. I am really not sure that the BBC is in tune with its audience about this, just as they weren’t with Clarkson and Top Gear. I will miss it and almost certainly not watch their attempts to revive the corpse.
It's a tricky one.
One one hand, Greg Wallace is a goose who lays golden eggs. On the other, he is a goose who... gooses. Or something similarly dubious. And at some point, you can't keep people like that on, no matter how much value they bring in. Employers should debate where the line is drawn (a world where the accusations against Jimmy Saville would have been taken seriously at the time would have been a better world), but there clearly is a line.
I don't think it's a very tricky one. I recommend reading the linked article.
Putting a hand up the skirt of young female colleagues or young women met socially, and giving them a grope, testified to on several occasions by different victims, in whatever circumstances, is serious.
His dismissive "a handful of middle-class women of a certain age" statements will not exactly help.
Gregg Wallace has been sacked as MasterChef presenter as a result of an inquiry into alleged misconduct, BBC News understands.
It comes as 50 more people have approached the BBC with fresh claims about the TV presenter - including allegations he groped one MasterChef worker and pulled his trousers down in front of another. Wallace denies the claims.
So another of their most successful shows is once again put on the funeral pyre of political correctness. I am really not sure that the BBC is in tune with its audience about this, just as they weren’t with Clarkson and Top Gear. I will miss it and almost certainly not watch their attempts to revive the corpse.
The next series has the vile (lack of) Grace Dent in his place and after that who knows.
It will die. Just like TG did.
I doubt it. It was never dependant on Wallace as TG was on Clarkson.
Gregg Wallace has been sacked as MasterChef presenter as a result of an inquiry into alleged misconduct, BBC News understands.
It comes as 50 more people have approached the BBC with fresh claims about the TV presenter - including allegations he groped one MasterChef worker and pulled his trousers down in front of another. Wallace denies the claims.
So another of their most successful shows is once again put on the funeral pyre of political correctness. I am really not sure that the BBC is in tune with its audience about this, just as they weren’t with Clarkson and Top Gear. I will miss it and almost certainly not watch their attempts to revive the corpse.
It's a tricky one.
One one hand, Greg Wallace is a goose who lays golden eggs. On the other, he is a goose who... gooses. Or something similarly dubious. And at some point, you can't keep people like that on, no matter how much value they bring in. Employers should debate where the line is drawn (a world where the accusations against Jimmy Saville would have been taken seriously at the time would have been a better world), but there clearly is a line.
He claims to have been exonerated from the more serious accusations. I’ve no idea if that is true or not. It may not be and it is possible that he is found to have committed certain acts that an employer cannot condone. But it is also possible that various people have seen a gravy train and made a lot more of things than is warranted. Who knows? It’s just a disaster for the BBC.
Gregg Wallace has been sacked as MasterChef presenter as a result of an inquiry into alleged misconduct, BBC News understands.
It comes as 50 more people have approached the BBC with fresh claims about the TV presenter - including allegations he groped one MasterChef worker and pulled his trousers down in front of another. Wallace denies the claims.
So another of their most successful shows is once again put on the funeral pyre of political correctness. I am really not sure that the BBC is in tune with its audience about this, just as they weren’t with Clarkson and Top Gear. I will miss it and almost certainly not watch their attempts to revive the corpse.
The next series has the vile (lack of) Grace Dent in his place and after that who knows.
Gregg Wallace has been sacked as MasterChef presenter as a result of an inquiry into alleged misconduct, BBC News understands.
It comes as 50 more people have approached the BBC with fresh claims about the TV presenter - including allegations he groped one MasterChef worker and pulled his trousers down in front of another. Wallace denies the claims.
I suspect there are 50 odd examples of behaviour which when combined do Mr Wallace and a lot of management no favours...
But Greg's career is utterly over so he may as well fight for every penny he can get because he's not getting any future work...
A load of the cancelled should get together and set up their own tv channel. You could have Huw Edward’s doing the news, Philip Schofield doing the morning rubbish, Greg doing a good old ranty show with phone ins and guests whinging about political correctness. Lawrence Fox can do a detective drama and Russell Brand can do a talk show.
Gregg Wallace has been sacked as MasterChef presenter as a result of an inquiry into alleged misconduct, BBC News understands.
It comes as 50 more people have approached the BBC with fresh claims about the TV presenter - including allegations he groped one MasterChef worker and pulled his trousers down in front of another. Wallace denies the claims.
So another of their most successful shows is once again put on the funeral pyre of political correctness. I am really not sure that the BBC is in tune with its audience about this, just as they weren’t with Clarkson and Top Gear. I will miss it and almost certainly not watch their attempts to revive the corpse.
I'm surprised at you. Have you read the BBC article? Wallace is obviously a dirty, gropey old man with a penchant for waving his bits around, abusing his power, and making many young women feel intimidated or worse. Sod all to do with political correctness.
Gregg Wallace has been sacked as MasterChef presenter as a result of an inquiry into alleged misconduct, BBC News understands.
It comes as 50 more people have approached the BBC with fresh claims about the TV presenter - including allegations he groped one MasterChef worker and pulled his trousers down in front of another. Wallace denies the claims.
So another of their most successful shows is once again put on the funeral pyre of political correctness. I am really not sure that the BBC is in tune with its audience about this, just as they weren’t with Clarkson and Top Gear. I will miss it and almost certainly not watch their attempts to revive the corpse.
The next series has the vile (lack of) Grace Dent in his place and after that who knows.
It will die. Just like TG did.
Probably- and that's fine. Somewhere out there, there's another idea for a TV series that will take its place.
Gregg Wallace has been sacked as MasterChef presenter as a result of an inquiry into alleged misconduct, BBC News understands.
It comes as 50 more people have approached the BBC with fresh claims about the TV presenter - including allegations he groped one MasterChef worker and pulled his trousers down in front of another. Wallace denies the claims.
So another of their most successful shows is once again put on the funeral pyre of political correctness. I am really not sure that the BBC is in tune with its audience about this, just as they weren’t with Clarkson and Top Gear. I will miss it and almost certainly not watch their attempts to revive the corpse.
The next series has the vile (lack of) Grace Dent in his place and after that who knows.
It will die. Just like TG did.
TG died because 1 stunt too many went wrong and this time the person had life changes injuries because of it.
Thankfully cricket found a use for one of their favourite sons...
Gregg Wallace has been sacked as MasterChef presenter as a result of an inquiry into alleged misconduct, BBC News understands.
It comes as 50 more people have approached the BBC with fresh claims about the TV presenter - including allegations he groped one MasterChef worker and pulled his trousers down in front of another. Wallace denies the claims.
I suspect there are 50 odd examples of behaviour which when combined do Mr Wallace and a lot of management no favours...
But Greg's career is utterly over so he may as well fight for every penny he can get because he's not getting any future work...
A load of the cancelled should get together and set up their own tv channel. You could have Huw Edward’s doing the news, Philip Schofield doing the morning rubbish, Greg doing a good old ranty show with phone ins and guests whinging about political correctness. Lawrence Fox can do a detective drama and Russell Brand can do a talk show.
Sorry if I’ve left any weird pervs out.
Paul Gadd can do a version of Top of The Pops? He will have to phone his performances in, for a few years.
Trump: I asked Xi how many wind farms do you have? They don't have a lot. Very few. Wind is tremendously expensive and very ugly. If you want a house inside of a windmill, your house is worth than less half. And you hear noises. https://x.com/Acyn/status/1942626093875556401
If you are ever feeling a bit pleased with yourself and need bringing down to earth with a comparison to someone who has achieved a lot then this chap certainly makes one feel somewhat unaccomplished and lily livered.
Gregg Wallace has been sacked as MasterChef presenter as a result of an inquiry into alleged misconduct, BBC News understands.
It comes as 50 more people have approached the BBC with fresh claims about the TV presenter - including allegations he groped one MasterChef worker and pulled his trousers down in front of another. Wallace denies the claims.
I suspect there are 50 odd examples of behaviour which when combined do Mr Wallace and a lot of management no favours...
But Greg's career is utterly over so he may as well fight for every penny he can get because he's not getting any future work...
A load of the cancelled should get together and set up their own tv channel. You could have Huw Edward’s doing the news, Philip Schofield doing the morning rubbish, Greg doing a good old ranty show with phone ins and guests whinging about political correctness. Lawrence Fox can do a detective drama and Russell Brand can do a talk show.
Trump: I asked Xi how many wind farms do you have? They don't have a lot. Very few. Wind is tremendously expensive and very ugly. If you want a house inside of a windmill, your house is worth than less half. And you hear noises. https://x.com/Acyn/status/1942626093875556401
He’s been listening to that song where a mouse lived in a windmill in old Amsterdam hasn’t he.
Politicians moaning about why people are talking about X instead of the thing they want to talk about Y is never a good look (remember Corbyn's 'can we have a question about the NHS, please?') even if they have a point, which isn't always.
I don't expect his base will hurt him over it, but there's been more of a reaction than he expected it seems.
Gregg Wallace has been sacked as MasterChef presenter as a result of an inquiry into alleged misconduct, BBC News understands.
It comes as 50 more people have approached the BBC with fresh claims about the TV presenter - including allegations he groped one MasterChef worker and pulled his trousers down in front of another. Wallace denies the claims.
So another of their most successful shows is once again put on the funeral pyre of political correctness. I am really not sure that the BBC is in tune with its audience about this, just as they weren’t with Clarkson and Top Gear. I will miss it and almost certainly not watch their attempts to revive the corpse.
The next series has the vile (lack of) Grace Dent in his place and after that who knows.
Gregg Wallace has been sacked as MasterChef presenter as a result of an inquiry into alleged misconduct, BBC News understands.
It comes as 50 more people have approached the BBC with fresh claims about the TV presenter - including allegations he groped one MasterChef worker and pulled his trousers down in front of another. Wallace denies the claims.
So another of their most successful shows is once again put on the funeral pyre of political correctness. I am really not sure that the BBC is in tune with its audience about this, just as they weren’t with Clarkson and Top Gear. I will miss it and almost certainly not watch their attempts to revive the corpse.
I'm surprised at you. Have you read the BBC article? Wallace is obviously a dirty, gropey old man with a penchant for waving his bits around, abusing his power, and making many young women feel intimidated or worse. Sod all to do with political correctness.
A lot of this seems to concern various celebs who appeared on the show. I’m not seeing any great disparity of power there. Staff is obviously different.
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Does Norrie have any Scottish ancestry? (Joke)
Those stories circulating about new Reform controlled/led councils not following the wishes of the Reform councillors.
I wonder if those Reform councillors thought they could act like Trump and issue executive orders to do things.
Without understanding that things might be different in this country and at local government level.
Now Bulgaria, esp Sofia, has a growing middle class and they are demanding good food (usually with an Italian slant), and the newly trained chefs have come home and they are providing
Even the “salad caprese” I had for lunch, at Rila Monastery, was simple and perfect. Ripe tomatoes, good mozzarella, ace bread, fresh torn basil, yum
Idiots
I think he also said they had the most beautiful women in Europe, a detail his publishers probably wouldnt include if written today.
It's f-all to do with 'diversity'. I might as well say: "It's down to fuckwits like WilliamGlenn on t'Internet". We should abolish all WilliamGlenn's immediately!!!!
If the government cancel these, they've got f-all belief in 'net zero'. Something that'll please the LuckyGuy Russian trolls no end.
Without wishing to make to appear of little sir humphreys even majority run councils will be more limited than they think, and not just Reform cllrs will be surprised.
They did a similar job round the Tees area in 1080
Vladimir Putin is using hostile tactics to drive illegal migration to Britain in an attempt to overwhelm border defences and spark division in the UK, security insiders have claimed
They conquered England, bits of Ireland, huge swathes of France, Sicily, they already owned Scandinavia
But where are they now? Where is “Norman” culture and language? It does not exist. It has all been slowly absorbed into England, France, Italy
Yes their “names” and genes endure but so do those of everyone around 1000AD, as I proved to a skeptical @IanB2 the other day
All that fightin’ and winning’ and not THAT much to show for it
Yet a few thousand scruffy Angles landing on the shores of Suffolk in 500AD have the Entire English Language as their legacy. Global Cultural Hegemony
Peter Lilley on "myths" about the ECHR.
And then after the Norman conquest begins a strange age, but after quite a long time a light emerges which is Chaucer's prologue which is recognisably our language, and remarkably reads, in respect of content and purpose and humour and psychology, as something the 21st century can comprehend. Not only a language with a uniquely rich vocabulary has been born, but a way of writing which is with us still. Miraculous.
Is there anything better than a really really really good cheese and tomato sandwich, done with the best cheese, the best bread, the best toms, and a cold glass of excellent beer, on a hot hot day?
No, there isn’t. And this was that
Simplicity is everything. IF YOU CAN NAIL IT
(See also the problem at Russia flying in migrants to Russia/Belarus and sending them to Poland / the Baltic border)
But again, that's not 'diversity', you unintelligent fetid slug. You pustule on the arse of humanity.
Take any passage of Jane Austen, and translate it into an English using only words which don't derive from the French/Romance/Latin tradition. And then consider the difference. A Norman triumph.
Are these mountains of yours that much of a detour for someone driving from Romania to Greece?
And together we made a language which is 1. vastly superior and 2. Way more globally powerful and influential than French. Heh
It must have been a moving moment, when the English parliament and courts reverted to English, 300-odd years after Hastings
Their architecture lives on in many churches and cathedrals in the Uk and Normandy with the Romanesque style.
It looks like their hairstyles live on too on many young English footballers. So, not all bad for the Norman legacy.
And available to be repaid ?
.@POTUS on the war in Ukraine: "A lot of people are dying and it should end. We get a lot of bullshit thrown at us by Putin — you want to know the truth. He's very nice all the time, but it turns out to be meaningless."
I happily yield. I had no idea it was so mathematically certain that 90%+ of anyone alive in Europe today is a DIRECT descendant of Charlemagne or the Conqueror or anyone who had a reasonable number of kids and grandkids
Yet so it is. Of course my position is different in that I have a “provable” paper descent but that is NOT what I was arguing at the time and I was wrong. I’m not sure why I was so stubborn in admitting this, I was likely in a pugnacious mood and looking to fight on regardless
Glad you are enjoying Norway
But Norman French softened it and made it more beautiful and comely. I’m not sure they’d regard this as a triumph given their actual military triumphs of the time. I expect the Bastard would be horrified
Alcaraz defeats Norrie 6-2, 6-3, 6-3
The Spaniard meets American Taylor Fritz in the semis.
My coat please, Mr Grimsdale.
Has Trump actually had a lucid moment?
Oh no, he said Vladimir Putin was ‘very nice all the time.’
As you were.
And I didn't hear you squeak up in complaint when the right-wing American 'influencers' like Pool and Rubin, were paid by Russians to spread pro-Moscow propaganda.
But I guess they don't fit in with your 'diversity' shit.
*yes yes I do get the joke
Now can you have a word with @HYUFD .
*yes yes I do get the joke
Either way, he'll have essentially forgotten about it by tomorrow.
... and before you say "that's a bit harsh on william", let me make it clear I meant Trump.
Given he used the DB to raise tax its unlikely he fiddled the figures downwards
Whereas the vocab of English owes more to AngloSaxon and French than Norse, in its structure it has a fair few features in common with Norse, such that some linguistic experts argue that the contribution of Old Norse to Old and then Middle English is fundamental. Our "they/them" comes from Norse, and we have Norse to thank for dodging the German affectation of putting the verb at the end of sentence. The reason 'be' and 'am/are' turns into the completely unrelated 'will' in future tense is that the latter is imported from Norse. Preposition stranding (such as 'who are you talking to? What are you looking at?) is unique to Middle English and Norse languages. It's highly unusual for contact with a second language to influence fundamental syntax, normally it's just new vocab. Hence the (minority) view that Middle English derives from Old Norse.
It really is like having a ten-year-old boy as [US] President - no judgement, poor impulse control, an abysmal attention span, quite staggering arrogance, and total ignorance of, well, everything useful in being President (though not, unfortunately, in becoming President).
Or is that an insult to your average pre-teen?
Gregg Wallace has been sacked as MasterChef presenter as a result of an inquiry into alleged misconduct, BBC News understands.
It comes as 50 more people have approached the BBC with fresh claims about the TV presenter - including allegations he groped one MasterChef worker and pulled his trousers down in front of another. Wallace denies the claims.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cewgz0qw77lo
He has the wisdom of youth, and the energy of extreme old age.
But as to the substantive point- we live in a world where it's easier to game the processes of getting a top job than it is to actually be good enough to merit a top job. Trump is merely the most blatant example of this. This is a bad thing, but I don't know what we do about it without making other things worse.
I am really not sure that the BBC is in tune with its audience about this, just as they weren’t with Clarkson and Top Gear.
I will miss it and almost certainly not watch their attempts to revive the corpse.
Does "political correctness gone mad" now encompass ignoring sexual crimes?
I think MasterChef will survive without Wallace.
COLLINS: Did you approve of the pause of weapons shipments to Ukraine?
TRUMP: We want to put defensive weapons because Putin is not treating human beings right
COLLINS: So who ordered the pause?
TRUMP: I don't know. Why don't you tell me?
https://nitter.poast.org/atrupar/status/1942627977122000905#m
(He has used this tactic long before being President, of saying he does not know or that people should ask others).
https://x.com/juststop_oil/status/1942645011914313792
One one hand, Greg Wallace is a goose who lays golden eggs. On the other, he is a goose who... gooses. Or something similarly dubious. And at some point, you can't keep people like that on, no matter how much value they bring in. Employers should debate where the line is drawn (a world where the accusations against Jimmy Saville would have been taken seriously at the time would have been a better world), but there clearly is a line.
https://archive.is/yKlDn
But Greg's career is utterly over so he may as well fight for every penny he can get because he's not getting any future work...
Putting a hand up the skirt of young female colleagues or young women met socially, and giving them a grope, testified to on several occasions by different victims, in whatever circumstances, is serious.
His dismissive "a handful of middle-class women of a certain age" statements will not exactly help.
It was never dependant on Wallace as TG was on Clarkson.
But it is also possible that various people have seen a gravy train and made a lot more of things than is warranted. Who knows? It’s just a disaster for the BBC.
Sorry if I’ve left any weird pervs out.
Sod all to do with political correctness.
Thankfully cricket found a use for one of their favourite sons...
Elon Musk
@elonmusk
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How can people be expected to have faith in Trump if he won’t release the Epstein files?
Trump: I asked Xi how many wind farms do you have? They don't have a lot. Very few. Wind is tremendously expensive and very ugly. If you want a house inside of a windmill, your house is worth than less half. And you hear noises.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1942626093875556401
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Carton_de_Wiart
@ProjectLincoln
MAGA, Donald wants to know why you guys won't shut up about Jeffrey Epstein.
https://x.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1942627850097447089
I don't expect his base will hurt him over it, but there's been more of a reaction than he expected it seems.
Zia Yusuf
@ZiaYusufUK
The useless fake experts at the OBR now say the triple lock will cost *triple* what they originally forecast.
Gutless politicians have for too long abdicated responsibility for running the British economy to a bunch of morons.
They get every major economic forecast wrong, yet spend much of the report published today also trying to predict global temperatures!
These people have no credibility.
https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/1942578996085952926