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  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,556
    rcs1000 said:

    ICE officers stopped by our farm yesterday.

    “We need to inspect your property for illegal aliens,” one of them said.

    I replied, “Alright, but whatever you do, don’t go into that field over there.”

    The officer in charge exploded.

    “Mister, I have the authority of the federal government behind me!” he barked, reaching into his back pocket. He yanked out a badge and shoved it in my face.

    “See this fucking badge? This badge means I can go wherever I want on ANY land. No questions asked, no answers given. Am I clear? Do you understand?”

    I nodded politely and said, “Be my guest.”

    Then I went back to my chores.

    About ten minutes later, I heard screaming. I looked up and saw six ICE agents running for their lives, being chased by my big, mean, old bull. And with every step, that bull was closing in. Fast.

    It looked like they were about to get gored for sure.

    So I dropped my tools, ran over to the fence, and shouted at the top of my lungs:

    “YOUR BADGE! SHOW HIM YOUR FUCKING BADGE!”

    ICE don't show their badges. Farmer is arrested. Bull is shot.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,152
    Leon said:

    Have we done the local by-election results? 2 by-elections caused by Reform UK councillors elected in May resigning immediately. Both lost: 1 LD gain, 1 Con gain.

    The forlorn hopefulness in your tone is exquisitely pitiful
    RefUK lost 100% of the seats they were defending

    I am very happy for them to continue that form
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,556

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    If Trump's poll numbers don't tank after passing the Big Beautiful Bill, then there's Starmer's answer to the nation's economic woes - take the entitlement to the NHS away from a big chunk of voters.

    Mostly in areas voting Labour.

    No no, the poor voted for Trump to take things off the illegals. Its their welfare being taken away. [checks notes] what, its MINE that has been taken? Hang on, I'm not an illegal?

    Morons, the lot of them. Similarly there is depression setting in amongst the Tesla Elon loyalists on Twitter who have realised that Trump has screwed electrification and is now coming after them. Comments like "we got played" being posted. Well duh - we saw this a mile away.
    There are people whose core talent is looking, sounding and behaving like a Leader. Some call it Charisma.

    They can get people to follow them anywhere, including off the cliff edge. It's a benefit to charismatic individuals, but often a disaster for everyone else.
    Some don't like the idea Trump is both charismatic and a leader, but you don't just luck in to such influence over so many people.
    You can not like the idea, while accepting its reality.
    But it's certainly true that those who are immune to his undeniable appeal find it very hard to understand how anyone can continue, against all rational evidence, to fall for it.
    There is something deep in the human psyche that seems to make us prone to want to follow a strong authority figure, whether that be a god, a tribal leader, a president, a warlord or a guru. Presumably that comes from the evolutionary benefits of the protection, real or imagined, offered by allegiance to such a figure. Rationality struggles in the face of this instinct.
    The world is big, complicated, and potentially deadly place.

    If there's a person whose judgement you trust them it makes a lot of rational sense to trust them to make a lot of difficult decisions for you so they you don't have to.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,028

    Have we done the local by-election results? 2 by-elections caused by Reform UK councillors elected in May resigning immediately. Both lost: 1 LD gain, 1 Con gain.

    They are quite similar to current polling:

    Reform 5,390 votes 28.2%
    Labour 4,102 21.4%
    Conservative 3,042 15.9%
    Lib Dem 2,843 14.9%
    Green 2095 10.9%
    Others 2,106 8.7%.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,152

    The world is big, complicated, and potentially deadly place.

    If there's a person whose judgement you trust them it makes a lot of rational sense to trust them to make a lot of difficult decisions for you so they you don't have to.

    Why trust Trump?

    Bankrupt 6 times

    Convicted felon
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,122
    Whwnever I see things like "ICE deports immigrants," I wonder what the Institute of Civil Engineers has got to do with immigration...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,152
    @mikeysmith

    Zara Sultana last night: "Jeremy Corbyn and I will co-lead the founding of a new party"

    Jeremy Corbyn, today: "The democratic foundations of a new kind of political party will soon take shape... Discussions are ongoing"

    😬
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,527
    Am in a minibus returning to Sofia from the cool green mountains

    Down here in the valley it is 38C

    THIRTY EIGHT C
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,122
    Scott_xP said:

    @mikeysmith

    Zara Sultana last night: "Jeremy Corbyn and I will co-lead the founding of a new party"

    Jeremy Corbyn, today: "The democratic foundations of a new kind of political party will soon take shape... Discussions are ongoing"

    😬

    It;s going to be hard for me to choose which party to despise the most: Corbyn's new party for Palestinians, or the latest iteration of the Farage Party.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,972

    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @johnpfaff.bsky.social‬

    We are going to see a lot of ppl claiming, understandably, that the BBB has now provided Trump w a massive ICE army.

    That is incorrect.

    It has provided him with the funds to TRY.

    A 2017 DHS-OIG report said ICE would need to interview 500,000 ppl to get 10,000 new hires.

    Not easy!

    Assuming an employee costs $100,000pa, then 150billion will get you 1,500 employees for one year or 150 for ten years. You're going to need a lot more than that to go full auslander raus.
    For context, the Federal Prisons Service has over 150k inmates - and an annual budget of around $8bn.
    The camps they're building (like "Alligator Alcatraz"), will be considerably cheaper and nastier.

    The FBI has a budget of $10bn, and 38k employees.

    Vice President JD Vance admits the expansion of ICE is the mainspring of the White House’s agenda. In a series of social media posts, he pushed back against worries about the president’s signature reconciliation bill. Nothing else in the bill mattered, he said — not debt, not Medicaid cuts — compared to securing “ICE money.” Now, the agency — which already acts like a secret police — will have an additional $75 billion to build detention centers, hire new agents and supercharge its operations.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/04/opinion/trump-america-.html
    History rhyming once again.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,529
    edited July 4
    Leon said:

    Am in a minibus returning to Sofia from the cool green mountains

    Down here in the valley it is 38C

    THIRTY EIGHT C

    The Gazette has sent you to Sunil's living room?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,936

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    If Trump's poll numbers don't tank after passing the Big Beautiful Bill, then there's Starmer's answer to the nation's economic woes - take the entitlement to the NHS away from a big chunk of voters.

    Mostly in areas voting Labour.

    No no, the poor voted for Trump to take things off the illegals. Its their welfare being taken away. [checks notes] what, its MINE that has been taken? Hang on, I'm not an illegal?

    Morons, the lot of them. Similarly there is depression setting in amongst the Tesla Elon loyalists on Twitter who have realised that Trump has screwed electrification and is now coming after them. Comments like "we got played" being posted. Well duh - we saw this a mile away.
    There are people whose core talent is looking, sounding and behaving like a Leader. Some call it Charisma.

    They can get people to follow them anywhere, including off the cliff edge. It's a benefit to charismatic individuals, but often a disaster for everyone else.
    Some don't like the idea Trump is both charismatic and a leader, but you don't just luck in to such influence over so many people.
    You can not like the idea, while accepting its reality.
    But it's certainly true that those who are immune to his undeniable appeal find it very hard to understand how anyone can continue, against all rational evidence, to fall for it.
    There is something deep in the human psyche that seems to make us prone to want to follow a strong authority figure, whether that be a god, a tribal leader, a president, a warlord or a guru. Presumably that comes from the evolutionary benefits of the protection, real or imagined, offered by allegiance to such a figure. Rationality struggles in the face of this instinct.
    The world is big, complicated, and potentially deadly place.

    If there's a person whose judgement you trust them it makes a lot of rational sense to trust them to make a lot of difficult decisions for you so they you don't have to.
    "If there's a person whose judgement you trust", and it's Trump...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 15,002
    Andy_JS said:

    Have we done the local by-election results? 2 by-elections caused by Reform UK councillors elected in May resigning immediately. Both lost: 1 LD gain, 1 Con gain.

    One of them apparently resigned because of a cancer diagnosis but other parties tried to make a political issue out of the fact that he'd resigned so soon after being elected.
    With the LibDem gain, the Reform UK councillor was disqualified (rather than resigned), so presumably you are referring to the contest that saw a Conservative victory in Nottinghamshire?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,127
    Leon said:

    Am in a minibus returning to Sofia from the cool green mountains

    Down here in the valley it is 38C

    THIRTY EIGHT C

    Never mind that, I hope you're following the cricket.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,105

    Whwnever I see things like "ICE deports immigrants," I wonder what the Institute of Civil Engineers has got to do with immigration...

    Intrusion Countermeasures Electronics, for all you Neuromancer fans.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,448
    viewcode said:

    Whwnever I see things like "ICE deports immigrants," I wonder what the Institute of Civil Engineers has got to do with immigration...

    Intrusion Countermeasures Electronics, for all you Neuromancer fans.
    …. Which was generally illegal shit that would try and kill you.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,556
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @johnpfaff.bsky.social‬

    We are going to see a lot of ppl claiming, understandably, that the BBB has now provided Trump w a massive ICE army.

    That is incorrect.

    It has provided him with the funds to TRY.

    A 2017 DHS-OIG report said ICE would need to interview 500,000 ppl to get 10,000 new hires.

    Not easy!

    That's not how it's like to work, though.
    They will more likely just deputise a large number of thugs (along with national guards, as they're already doing in Florida).
    The "2017" consensus is history; this is about the exercise of executive power.

    The detainment camp system will be run by the private sector prisons companies - who were big campaign contributors.
    Did the SA or SS have recruitment difficulties? The level of denial is off the charts.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,133

    Moth of the day: Lilac Beauty (from my Devon garden)


    "Lilac" - don't tell BobbyJ.

    He'll want to rename it Patriotic Beauty.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,527
    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Am in a minibus returning to Sofia from the cool green mountains

    Down here in the valley it is 38C

    THIRTY EIGHT C

    Never mind that, I hope you're following the cricket.
    I was looking forward to a nice spritzer in the cobbled piazzas* of Sophia this evening

    It will be too hot to go out…

    *I have no idea if Sophia has cobbled piazzas
  • isamisam Posts: 42,142
    Does anyone believe that the primary cause of Rachel Reeves’ tears on Wednesday was a personal matter, rather than one related to politics? I would say I’m 80/20 it was just to do with her day job, but quite a good and left wing ruse to make it so that what could have been an embarrassing event is now something that is impolite to mention
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,105
    The Cloudflare "are you human" check no longer appears. So thank you to @rcs1000 and @TheScreamingEagles for the repairs, and thanks to my suppliers for viewcode v1.6471 upgrade, which allows me to defeat it but unfortunately introduced a million/billion bug. Normal service will be resumed soon. Hopefully. 😀
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,133
    edited July 4

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    If Trump's poll numbers don't tank after passing the Big Beautiful Bill, then there's Starmer's answer to the nation's economic woes - take the entitlement to the NHS away from a big chunk of voters.

    Mostly in areas voting Labour.

    No no, the poor voted for Trump to take things off the illegals. Its their welfare being taken away. [checks notes] what, its MINE that has been taken? Hang on, I'm not an illegal?

    Morons, the lot of them. Similarly there is depression setting in amongst the Tesla Elon loyalists on Twitter who have realised that Trump has screwed electrification and is now coming after them. Comments like "we got played" being posted. Well duh - we saw this a mile away.
    There are people whose core talent is looking, sounding and behaving like a Leader. Some call it Charisma.

    They can get people to follow them anywhere, including off the cliff edge. It's a benefit to charismatic individuals, but often a disaster for everyone else.
    Some don't like the idea Trump is both charismatic and a leader, but you don't just luck in to such influence over so many people.
    You can not like the idea, while accepting its reality.
    But it's certainly true that those who are immune to his undeniable appeal find it very hard to understand how anyone can continue, against all rational evidence, to fall for it.
    Correct me if I'm wrong but AIUI the "Big Beautiful Bill" brings in immediate tax cuts for the rich, but the cuts to Medicaid etc don't take place until AFTER the 2026 elections.
    Howls of rage for the 2028 ones of course but suggests Trump isn't bothered about them.
    I asked Grok for its opinion on that one:

    Matt Wardman - @mattwardman.bsky.social
    @mattwardman

    14h @Grok
    Is the White House claim of $11T of offset revenue from tariffs and growth credible given the current volume of US imports, and most likely growth rates?

    What is your most likely forecast?

    https://x.com/mattwardman/status/1940890545154674745

    @grok
    The White House's $11T claim relies on optimistic assumptions: 4-5% GDP growth and $3-4T in tariff revenue over 10 years. However, with US imports at ~$3.3T annually (BEA data), a 10% tariff yields ~$330B/year theoretically, but reductions in trade volume and retaliation likely cut this to $2-3T total (per NPR/CBO). CBO forecasts avg. 1.8% growth, not 4-5%.

    Credibility: Low; economists (Yahoo, Brookings) highlight an $11T gap with realistic models.

    My forecast: Deficits fall to ~5% GDP short-term but rise without cuts; debt hits 130% GDP by 2035, with $3-5T total offsets from tariffs/growth.


    (I've forgotten - @TSE , are we discouraged from posting twitter links?)
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,049
    isam said:

    Does anyone believe that the primary cause of Rachel Reeves’ tears on Wednesday was a personal matter, rather than one related to politics? I would say I’m 80/20 it was just to do with her day job, but quite a good and left wing ruse to make it so that what could have been an embarrassing event is now something that is impolite to mention

    All the best ruses are left wing.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,527
    isam said:

    Does anyone believe that the primary cause of Rachel Reeves’ tears on Wednesday was a personal matter, rather than one related to politics? I would say I’m 80/20 it was just to do with her day job, but quite a good and left wing ruse to make it so that what could have been an embarrassing event is now something that is impolite to mention

    I don’t think it matters either way. To those that are very political - like us - it is an obvious lie so it harms Labour. To those that aren’t very political, all they saw was the chancellor weeping because she was humiliated by events, defeat, and by her own prime minister, so it harms Labour

    It was a catastrophe for Labour and that’s that. They can’t spin it
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,448

    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @johnpfaff.bsky.social‬

    We are going to see a lot of ppl claiming, understandably, that the BBB has now provided Trump w a massive ICE army.

    That is incorrect.

    It has provided him with the funds to TRY.

    A 2017 DHS-OIG report said ICE would need to interview 500,000 ppl to get 10,000 new hires.

    Not easy!

    That's not how it's like to work, though.
    They will more likely just deputise a large number of thugs (along with national guards, as they're already doing in Florida).
    The "2017" consensus is history; this is about the exercise of executive power.

    The detainment camp system will be run by the private sector prisons companies - who were big campaign contributors.
    Did the SA or SS have recruitment difficulties? The level of denial is off the charts.
    No federal law enforcement agency has ever had problem recruiting agents. High pay, good benefits, federal level job security and status in law enforcement have seen to that.

    The interview “500,000 to get 10,000” is a function of the massive application rate
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,448
    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Am in a minibus returning to Sofia from the cool green mountains

    Down here in the valley it is 38C

    THIRTY EIGHT C

    Never mind that, I hope you're following the cricket.
    I was looking forward to a nice spritzer in the cobbled piazzas* of Sophia this evening

    It will be too hot to go out…

    *I have no idea if Sophia has cobbled piazzas
    Sofia does have some cobbled streets - bits of it feel a bit like Paris, to me. The bar at the Sense hotel over looking the cathedral does nice cocktails.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,251
    MattW said:

    FPT:

    scampi25 said:

    Good morning all. I don’t see much on the BBC about Reform’s bad night in yesterday’s council by-elections. It would have been different if it was the other way round. It will be easier for Reform to maintain their support with such help from the media.

    Does the BBC routinely report local by-elections? Ever? You're paranoid.
    The Local Democracy Reporting Service is a BBC project, which covers it I think. It created 165 jobs in local media at a time when it was going backwards, funded by the BBC.

    The Local Democracy Reporting Service created up to 165 new journalism jobs to help fill a gap in the reporting of local democracy issues across the UK.

    The journalists are funded by the BBC as part of its latest Charter commitment, but are employed by regional news organisations.

    A total of 165 reporters are allocated to news organisations in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

    These organisations range from television and radio stations to online media companies and established regional newspaper groups.

    Local Democracy Reporters cover top-tier local authorities, second-tier local authorities and other public service organisations.

    https://www.bbc.com/lnp/ldrs
    The LDRS is a terrible scheme.

    It's a thinly disguised subsidy to three big local newspaper groups (Reach, Newsquest, National World/MediaConcierge) so they don't have to employ any actual reporters and their own employees can just concentrate on clickbait.

    The reporters are "embedded" with the local papers, so tend to take on their attitudes. That's why you now see reactionary anti-cycling clickbait regularly appearing on the local news sections of the BBC website - it's been written by LDRS reporters embedded with their local papers, and as such gets syndicated to the BBC. If you follow (for example) the tale of the seafront cycle route in Clevedon, a lot of the shock-horror reporting was done by the LDRS reporters and ended up on the BBC site.

    But the big problem with the LDRS is that it takes the oxygen out of the room for genuine local reporting. There is still a real, viable, subscription-driven model for proper local news, but the only places it's working are the really big cities - basically the Mill group, London Centric and I think a couple in Bristol. A big part of that is because the LDRS is artificially preserving the legacy incumbents.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,448

    rcs1000 said:

    ICE officers stopped by our farm yesterday.

    “We need to inspect your property for illegal aliens,” one of them said.

    I replied, “Alright, but whatever you do, don’t go into that field over there.”

    The officer in charge exploded.

    “Mister, I have the authority of the federal government behind me!” he barked, reaching into his back pocket. He yanked out a badge and shoved it in my face.

    “See this fucking badge? This badge means I can go wherever I want on ANY land. No questions asked, no answers given. Am I clear? Do you understand?”

    I nodded politely and said, “Be my guest.”

    Then I went back to my chores.

    About ten minutes later, I heard screaming. I looked up and saw six ICE agents running for their lives, being chased by my big, mean, old bull. And with every step, that bull was closing in. Fast.

    It looked like they were about to get gored for sure.

    So I dropped my tools, ran over to the fence, and shouted at the top of my lungs:

    “YOUR BADGE! SHOW HIM YOUR FUCKING BADGE!”

    ICE don't show their badges. Farmer is arrested. Bull is shot.
    Or bull is arrested and farmer shot, it’s all the same to them.
    Both shot.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,105
    isam said:

    Does anyone believe that the primary cause of Rachel Reeves’ tears on Wednesday was a personal matter, rather than one related to politics? I would say I’m 80/20 it was just to do with her day job, but quite a good and left wing ruse to make it so that what could have been an embarrassing event is now something that is impolite to mention

    Honestly? I don't know. It would be more plausible if the "personal matter" was known, but that's not likely. One of Starmers unpleasant traits is the rapid way in which his emotions break thru and resultant mulishness, and this is more common in 2020s than i'd like.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,530
    Reform are controlling what books Kent Libraries can buy and vetoing transgender related books

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6257p2vry3o
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,527

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Am in a minibus returning to Sofia from the cool green mountains

    Down here in the valley it is 38C

    THIRTY EIGHT C

    Never mind that, I hope you're following the cricket.
    I was looking forward to a nice spritzer in the cobbled piazzas* of Sophia this evening

    It will be too hot to go out…

    *I have no idea if Sophia has cobbled piazzas
    Sofia does have some cobbled streets - bits of it feel a bit like Paris, to me. The bar at the Sense hotel over looking the cathedral does nice cocktails.
    Merzi!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,527
    edited July 4
    The guardian is trying manfully to normalise Rachel’s Tears. Trouble is it’s trying to simultaneously say “this is regular female behaviour when you lose control” while claiming the tears meant nothing, she hasn’t lost control, it’s all good

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/04/crying-women-workplace-tears-rachel-reeves

    Fact is. it’s absolutely pathetic to break down in tears on the job if you are Chancellor of the Exchequer, especially live on TV. No ifs no buts. Get a grip or resign
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,133
    edited July 4
    eek said:

    Reform are controlling what books Kent Libraries can buy and vetoing transgender related books

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6257p2vry3o

    Hmmm. Gender is a protected characteristic, is it not?

    Legal action may be incoming, but it could also be deliberate provocation and / or a national policy from DOLGE or RefUK central or whatever.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,142
    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Does anyone believe that the primary cause of Rachel Reeves’ tears on Wednesday was a personal matter, rather than one related to politics? I would say I’m 80/20 it was just to do with her day job, but quite a good and left wing ruse to make it so that what could have been an embarrassing event is now something that is impolite to mention

    I don’t think it matters either way. To those that are very political - like us - it is an obvious lie so it harms Labour. To those that aren’t very political, all they saw was the chancellor weeping because she was humiliated by events, defeat, and by her own prime minister, so it harms Labour

    It was a catastrophe for Labour and that’s that. They can’t spin it
    Yes, left wing media have ripped it out of tory women for crying in the past, so it was very on brand for Sir Keir's Labour to invent, if that's what they did, a story which is impossible to ask about, & forbids criticism, whilst keeping the moral high ground on a tenuous technicality.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,448
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Leon said:

    Am in a minibus returning to Sofia from the cool green mountains

    Down here in the valley it is 38C

    THIRTY EIGHT C

    Never mind that, I hope you're following the cricket.
    I was looking forward to a nice spritzer in the cobbled piazzas* of Sophia this evening

    It will be too hot to go out…

    *I have no idea if Sophia has cobbled piazzas
    Sofia does have some cobbled streets - bits of it feel a bit like Paris, to me. The bar at the Sense hotel over looking the cathedral does nice cocktails.
    Merzi!
    It’s been a couple of years since I was there but the Sense hotel bar used to be equivalent to Mayfair.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,179
    isam said:

    Does anyone believe that the primary cause of Rachel Reeves’ tears on Wednesday was a personal matter, rather than one related to politics? I would say I’m 80/20 it was just to do with her day job, but quite a good and left wing ruse to make it so that what could have been an embarrassing event is now something that is impolite to mention

    I think it's impossible to make that kind of assessment. If you're under a huge amount of stress, something minor like spilling coffee on your best jumper can be enough to set you off. Or she's entirely relaxed in the job but something genuinely dreadful has happened in her personal life.

    I think Labour have done a remarkably good job at suppressing it as an issue - the news has already moved on and it's only on places like PB where it's still coming up. Funny how the narrative turned so quickly to the markets, even though the movement was basically immaterial - perversely it's bolstered her position by associating her presence with economic stability. I wonder if that was gamed a bit.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,527
    edited July 4
    isam said:

    Leon said:

    isam said:

    Does anyone believe that the primary cause of Rachel Reeves’ tears on Wednesday was a personal matter, rather than one related to politics? I would say I’m 80/20 it was just to do with her day job, but quite a good and left wing ruse to make it so that what could have been an embarrassing event is now something that is impolite to mention

    I don’t think it matters either way. To those that are very political - like us - it is an obvious lie so it harms Labour. To those that aren’t very political, all they saw was the chancellor weeping because she was humiliated by events, defeat, and by her own prime minister, so it harms Labour

    It was a catastrophe for Labour and that’s that. They can’t spin it
    Yes, left wing media have ripped it out of tory women for crying in the past, so it was very on brand for Sir Keir's Labour to invent, if that's what they did, a story which is impossible to ask about, & forbids criticism, whilst keeping the moral high ground on a tenuous technicality.
    The stupid cow cried live on TV. I was sad for her for a bit but now all these lies have put the iron in my soul. She blubbed. She’s pathetic

    FWIW I thought TMay was pathetic for her self pitying blubbing as well. Stupid heifer

    Thatcher - as ever - showed how to cry if you’re a lady politician. Quietly, possibly, caught by a prying camera, just a tear or two, in the back of her limo as she left Downing Street forever. She didn’t howl with anguish in the bloody Commons
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,936
    British Embassy 4th July greetings.
    https://x.com/UKinUSA/status/1941044312583950697
  • isamisam Posts: 42,142
    Leon said:

    The guardian is trying manfully to normalise Rachel’s Tears. Trouble is it’s trying to simultaneously say “this is regular female behaviour when you lose control” while claiming the tears meant nothing, she hasn’t lost control, it’s all good

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/04/crying-women-workplace-tears-rachel-reeves

    Fact is. it’s absolutely pathetic to break down in tears on the job if you are Chancellor of the Exchequer, especially live on TV. No ifs no buts. Get a grip or resign

    No no no. Had George Osborne cried at PMQs the day after his economic plans were ripped to shreds, The Guardian would have been publishing columns on the difficulties middle aged men face in the 21st Century
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,527
    Eabhal said:

    isam said:

    Does anyone believe that the primary cause of Rachel Reeves’ tears on Wednesday was a personal matter, rather than one related to politics? I would say I’m 80/20 it was just to do with her day job, but quite a good and left wing ruse to make it so that what could have been an embarrassing event is now something that is impolite to mention

    I think it's impossible to make that kind of assessment. If you're under a huge amount of stress, something minor like spilling coffee on your best jumper can be enough to set you off. Or she's entirely relaxed in the job but something genuinely dreadful has happened in her personal life.

    I think Labour have done a remarkably good job at suppressing it as an issue - the news has already moved on and it's only on places like PB where it's still coming up. Funny how the narrative turned so quickly to the markets, even though the movement was basically immaterial - perversely it's bolstered her position by associating her presence with economic stability. I wonder if that was gamed a bit.
    This is bollocks. The image of her blubbing is now etched on the public consciousness. It’s indelible

    This will be Reeves forever. The chancellor that cried in the commons. I know you don’t want this to be true but it is true. It’s like Sunak in the rain but worse
  • kenObikenObi Posts: 246

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    The home office doesn’t know how many foreign workers leave when their visas expire

    What a fucking clown show

    https://x.com/bbcpolitics/status/1941033925284929840?s=46&t=d8CnRhyZJ-m4vy0k55W8XQ

    Absolutely.
    Introduced by guess who ?

    ..The Public Accounts Committee (PAC), which scrutinises government spending, said the Home Office had failed to analyse exit checks since the skilled worker visa route was introduced in 2020 under the Conservatives.
    Some 1.18 million people have applied to come to the UK via this route between its launch in December 2020 and the end of 2024.
    The Home Office said it had inherited a "broken immigration system" and that it was working to "repair the public's trust"...

    But but but Labour are in power now and are absolutely responsible for all the shithouse policies introduced by the Tories.

    Must be great for the remaining Tories. All those awful policies they introduced, they just wash their hands of them and pretend they were done by Labour.
    lol but thts what Labour has been doing for most of my adult life.

    Leave office in a mess and then blame the Tories

    Most recently "There is no money" 2010 followed by austerirty austerity in 2011

    or

    spend more on lock down followed by look at the size of the debt

    This is one of those odd occasions where Labour have to clear up the Tory mess, and they are clueless.
    Labour have gained power 6 times in the last 100 years.

    1929 - Inherited a great depression and Churchill's idiotic decision to go on the Gold Standard
    1945 - I'm sure you'd claim the economy was in rude health.
    1974 - Oil shock and 20% inflation
    2025 - dealt a terrible hand and playing it badly.

    Blair inherited a great hand in hindsight apart from NHS being in its knees.

    You do realise that the Tories have been in power for 32 of the last 45 years ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,527
    isam said:

    Leon said:

    The guardian is trying manfully to normalise Rachel’s Tears. Trouble is it’s trying to simultaneously say “this is regular female behaviour when you lose control” while claiming the tears meant nothing, she hasn’t lost control, it’s all good

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/04/crying-women-workplace-tears-rachel-reeves

    Fact is. it’s absolutely pathetic to break down in tears on the job if you are Chancellor of the Exchequer, especially live on TV. No ifs no buts. Get a grip or resign

    No no no. Had George Osborne cried at PMQs the day after his economic plans were ripped to shreds, The Guardian would have been publishing columns on the difficulties middle aged men face in the 21st Century
    Hahahah

    Quite
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,228
    Eabhal said:

    isam said:

    Does anyone believe that the primary cause of Rachel Reeves’ tears on Wednesday was a personal matter, rather than one related to politics? I would say I’m 80/20 it was just to do with her day job, but quite a good and left wing ruse to make it so that what could have been an embarrassing event is now something that is impolite to mention

    I think it's impossible to make that kind of assessment. If you're under a huge amount of stress, something minor like spilling coffee on your best jumper can be enough to set you off. Or she's entirely relaxed in the job but something genuinely dreadful has happened in her personal life.

    I think Labour have done a remarkably good job at suppressing it as an issue - the news has already moved on and it's only on places like PB where it's still coming up. Funny how the narrative turned so quickly to the markets, even though the movement was basically immaterial - perversely it's bolstered her position by associating her presence with economic stability. I wonder if that was gamed a bit.
    Anecdata suggests this has cut through to the sort of choirs, clubs that my parent's generation belong to. You know, the sort of generation with very high turnout....
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,448
    kenObi said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    The home office doesn’t know how many foreign workers leave when their visas expire

    What a fucking clown show

    https://x.com/bbcpolitics/status/1941033925284929840?s=46&t=d8CnRhyZJ-m4vy0k55W8XQ

    Absolutely.
    Introduced by guess who ?

    ..The Public Accounts Committee (PAC), which scrutinises government spending, said the Home Office had failed to analyse exit checks since the skilled worker visa route was introduced in 2020 under the Conservatives.
    Some 1.18 million people have applied to come to the UK via this route between its launch in December 2020 and the end of 2024.
    The Home Office said it had inherited a "broken immigration system" and that it was working to "repair the public's trust"...

    But but but Labour are in power now and are absolutely responsible for all the shithouse policies introduced by the Tories.

    Must be great for the remaining Tories. All those awful policies they introduced, they just wash their hands of them and pretend they were done by Labour.
    lol but thts what Labour has been doing for most of my adult life.

    Leave office in a mess and then blame the Tories

    Most recently "There is no money" 2010 followed by austerirty austerity in 2011

    or

    spend more on lock down followed by look at the size of the debt

    This is one of those odd occasions where Labour have to clear up the Tory mess, and they are clueless.
    Labour have gained power 6 times in the last 100 years.

    1929 - Inherited a great depression and Churchill's idiotic decision to go on the Gold Standard
    1945 - I'm sure you'd claim the economy was in rude health.
    1974 - Oil shock and 20% inflation
    2025 - dealt a terrible hand and playing it badly.

    Blair inherited a great hand in hindsight apart from NHS being in its knees.

    You do realise that the Tories have been in power for 32 of the last 45 years ?
    Churchill didn’t go *on* the Gold Standard.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,179
    edited July 4
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    isam said:

    Does anyone believe that the primary cause of Rachel Reeves’ tears on Wednesday was a personal matter, rather than one related to politics? I would say I’m 80/20 it was just to do with her day job, but quite a good and left wing ruse to make it so that what could have been an embarrassing event is now something that is impolite to mention

    I think it's impossible to make that kind of assessment. If you're under a huge amount of stress, something minor like spilling coffee on your best jumper can be enough to set you off. Or she's entirely relaxed in the job but something genuinely dreadful has happened in her personal life.

    I think Labour have done a remarkably good job at suppressing it as an issue - the news has already moved on and it's only on places like PB where it's still coming up. Funny how the narrative turned so quickly to the markets, even though the movement was basically immaterial - perversely it's bolstered her position by associating her presence with economic stability. I wonder if that was gamed a bit.
    This is bollocks. The image of her blubbing is now etched on the public consciousness. It’s indelible

    This will be Reeves forever. The chancellor that cried in the commons. I know you don’t want this to be true but it is true. It’s like Sunak in the rain but worse
    I don't disagree, just that it looks even worse if Starmer now sacks her. She looks like she's taking the brunt of all the spending demands from Labour ministers with no support from the PM.

    She could set fire to the whole thing by resigning on the basis the public finances are disastrous and she has no political backing to fix it. I think Starmer has to go in that situation lest you get Truss Mk.2.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,127
    India apparently going against the spirit of the game by having support staff throw the ball back to the fielders instead of the fielders having to run to the boundary themselves. (There isn't a law against it).
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,527
    Eabhal said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    isam said:

    Does anyone believe that the primary cause of Rachel Reeves’ tears on Wednesday was a personal matter, rather than one related to politics? I would say I’m 80/20 it was just to do with her day job, but quite a good and left wing ruse to make it so that what could have been an embarrassing event is now something that is impolite to mention

    I think it's impossible to make that kind of assessment. If you're under a huge amount of stress, something minor like spilling coffee on your best jumper can be enough to set you off. Or she's entirely relaxed in the job but something genuinely dreadful has happened in her personal life.

    I think Labour have done a remarkably good job at suppressing it as an issue - the news has already moved on and it's only on places like PB where it's still coming up. Funny how the narrative turned so quickly to the markets, even though the movement was basically immaterial - perversely it's bolstered her position by associating her presence with economic stability. I wonder if that was gamed a bit.
    This is bollocks. The image of her blubbing is now etched on the public consciousness. It’s indelible

    This will be Reeves forever. The chancellor that cried in the commons. I know you don’t want this to be true but it is true. It’s like Sunak in the rain but worse
    I don't disagree, just that it looks even worse if Starmer now sacks her. She looks like she's taking the brunt of all the spending demands from Labour ministers with no support from the PM.

    She could set fire to the whole thing by resigning on the basis the public finances are disastrous and she has no political backing to fix it. I think Starmer has to go in that situation lest you get Truss Mk.2.
    When is Tiny Tears doing her next Commons appearance anyway? Should we expect her to faint like a Victorian poetess during the Budget, then be revived with smelling salts?
  • isamisam Posts: 42,142
    Eabhal said:

    isam said:

    Does anyone believe that the primary cause of Rachel Reeves’ tears on Wednesday was a personal matter, rather than one related to politics? I would say I’m 80/20 it was just to do with her day job, but quite a good and left wing ruse to make it so that what could have been an embarrassing event is now something that is impolite to mention

    I think it's impossible to make that kind of assessment. If you're under a huge amount of stress, something minor like spilling coffee on your best jumper can be enough to set you off. Or she's entirely relaxed in the job but something genuinely dreadful has happened in her personal life.

    I think Labour have done a remarkably good job at suppressing it as an issue - the news has already moved on and it's only on places like PB where it's still coming up. Funny how the narrative turned so quickly to the markets, even though the movement was basically immaterial - perversely it's bolstered her position by associating her presence with economic stability. I wonder if that was gamed a bit.
    I don't think it is impossible, it's just a question of summing up what you believe, given the evidence. I don't believe them, but am giving a 20% chance of it being true, as I have no way of knowing. Seems implausible though, If pressed, my next price would be 15% rather than 25

    It will be she is primarily remembered for though I think, despite the quite effective way Labour have made it an issue that can't be mentioned
  • eekeek Posts: 30,530
    MattW said:

    eek said:

    Reform are controlling what books Kent Libraries can buy and vetoing transgender related books

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6257p2vry3o

    Hmmm. Gender is a protected characteristic, is it not?

    Legal action may be incoming, but it could also be deliberate provocation and / or a national policy from DOLGE or RefUK central or whatever.
    It's deliberate provocation - but it highlights that if you vote reform you are going to see a lot of time (and money) wasted on what is really just performance theatre (flags, book banning and probably book destruction) to generate social media posts.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,127
    Sonay Kartal heading for an easy victory over Frenchwomen Diane Parry at Wimbledon.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,152
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 180
    eek said:

    Reform are controlling what books Kent Libraries can buy and vetoing transgender related books

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6257p2vry3o

    Excellent news.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,090
    edited July 4

    rcs1000 said:

    ICE officers stopped by our farm yesterday.

    “We need to inspect your property for illegal aliens,” one of them said.

    I replied, “Alright, but whatever you do, don’t go into that field over there.”

    The officer in charge exploded.

    “Mister, I have the authority of the federal government behind me!” he barked, reaching into his back pocket. He yanked out a badge and shoved it in my face.

    “See this fucking badge? This badge means I can go wherever I want on ANY land. No questions asked, no answers given. Am I clear? Do you understand?”

    I nodded politely and said, “Be my guest.”

    Then I went back to my chores.

    About ten minutes later, I heard screaming. I looked up and saw six ICE agents running for their lives, being chased by my big, mean, old bull. And with every step, that bull was closing in. Fast.

    It looked like they were about to get gored for sure.

    So I dropped my tools, ran over to the fence, and shouted at the top of my lungs:

    “YOUR BADGE! SHOW HIM YOUR FUCKING BADGE!”

    ICE don't show their badges. Farmer is arrested. Bull is shot.
    Or bull is arrested and farmer shot, it’s all the same to them.
    Or farmer is shot and agents talk bull.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,142
    Scott_xP said:
    He still got more votes than Sir Keir's Labour though. Twice
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,527
    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    isam said:

    Does anyone believe that the primary cause of Rachel Reeves’ tears on Wednesday was a personal matter, rather than one related to politics? I would say I’m 80/20 it was just to do with her day job, but quite a good and left wing ruse to make it so that what could have been an embarrassing event is now something that is impolite to mention

    I think it's impossible to make that kind of assessment. If you're under a huge amount of stress, something minor like spilling coffee on your best jumper can be enough to set you off. Or she's entirely relaxed in the job but something genuinely dreadful has happened in her personal life.

    I think Labour have done a remarkably good job at suppressing it as an issue - the news has already moved on and it's only on places like PB where it's still coming up. Funny how the narrative turned so quickly to the markets, even though the movement was basically immaterial - perversely it's bolstered her position by associating her presence with economic stability. I wonder if that was gamed a bit.
    Anecdata suggests this has cut through to the sort of choirs, clubs that my parent's generation belong to. You know, the sort of generation with very high turnout....
    Same here in my tour group of Remainer pensioner moth-spotters (honestly it really is PB on a bus. I keep finding new parallels)

    Conversation has been resolutely non political in that polite middle middle class British way (apart from the odd harrumph about the awfulness of Brexit and the daily mail) but the day Tiny Tears did her thing it dominated the dinner table for an hour. Not in a good way for Labour. Just another massive embarrassment by an embarrassing government was the mood. And these people are lefties
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,529
    Nigelb said:

    British Embassy 4th July greetings.
    https://x.com/UKinUSA/status/1941044312583950697

    Trouble is the joke falls flat yet perpetuates the myth that anyone in Britain cares. If we did then we'd not have held our election on the same day.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,222
    kenObi said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    The home office doesn’t know how many foreign workers leave when their visas expire

    What a fucking clown show

    https://x.com/bbcpolitics/status/1941033925284929840?s=46&t=d8CnRhyZJ-m4vy0k55W8XQ

    Absolutely.
    Introduced by guess who ?

    ..The Public Accounts Committee (PAC), which scrutinises government spending, said the Home Office had failed to analyse exit checks since the skilled worker visa route was introduced in 2020 under the Conservatives.
    Some 1.18 million people have applied to come to the UK via this route between its launch in December 2020 and the end of 2024.
    The Home Office said it had inherited a "broken immigration system" and that it was working to "repair the public's trust"...

    But but but Labour are in power now and are absolutely responsible for all the shithouse policies introduced by the Tories.

    Must be great for the remaining Tories. All those awful policies they introduced, they just wash their hands of them and pretend they were done by Labour.
    lol but thts what Labour has been doing for most of my adult life.

    Leave office in a mess and then blame the Tories

    Most recently "There is no money" 2010 followed by austerirty austerity in 2011

    or

    spend more on lock down followed by look at the size of the debt

    This is one of those odd occasions where Labour have to clear up the Tory mess, and they are clueless.
    Labour have gained power 6 times in the last 100 years.

    1929 - Inherited a great depression and Churchill's idiotic decision to go on the Gold Standard
    1945 - I'm sure you'd claim the economy was in rude health.
    1974 - Oil shock and 20% inflation
    2025 - dealt a terrible hand and playing it badly.

    Blair inherited a great hand in hindsight apart from NHS being in its knees.

    You do realise that the Tories have been in power for 32 of the last 45 years ?
    '97 UK infrastructure was dilapidated after years of underinvestment hence all the PFI to renew schools and hospitals. 1980s PTAs would organise parents to repair and redecorate classrooms.
    Clarke might have done a good job as CoE but everything else was rundown.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,936
    kenObi said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    The home office doesn’t know how many foreign workers leave when their visas expire

    What a fucking clown show

    https://x.com/bbcpolitics/status/1941033925284929840?s=46&t=d8CnRhyZJ-m4vy0k55W8XQ

    Absolutely.
    Introduced by guess who ?

    ..The Public Accounts Committee (PAC), which scrutinises government spending, said the Home Office had failed to analyse exit checks since the skilled worker visa route was introduced in 2020 under the Conservatives.
    Some 1.18 million people have applied to come to the UK via this route between its launch in December 2020 and the end of 2024.
    The Home Office said it had inherited a "broken immigration system" and that it was working to "repair the public's trust"...

    But but but Labour are in power now and are absolutely responsible for all the shithouse policies introduced by the Tories.

    Must be great for the remaining Tories. All those awful policies they introduced, they just wash their hands of them and pretend they were done by Labour.
    lol but thts what Labour has been doing for most of my adult life.

    Leave office in a mess and then blame the Tories

    Most recently "There is no money" 2010 followed by austerirty austerity in 2011

    or

    spend more on lock down followed by look at the size of the debt

    This is one of those odd occasions where Labour have to clear up the Tory mess, and they are clueless.
    Labour have gained power 6 times in the last 100 years.

    1929 - Inherited a great depression and Churchill's idiotic decision to go on the Gold Standard
    1945 - I'm sure you'd claim the economy was in rude health.
    1974 - Oil shock and 20% inflation
    2025 - dealt a terrible hand and playing it badly.

    Blair inherited a great hand in hindsight apart from NHS being in its knees.

    You do realise that the Tories have been in power for 32 of the last 45 years ?
    Er, 1964 ?
  • scampi25scampi25 Posts: 180
    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    isam said:

    Does anyone believe that the primary cause of Rachel Reeves’ tears on Wednesday was a personal matter, rather than one related to politics? I would say I’m 80/20 it was just to do with her day job, but quite a good and left wing ruse to make it so that what could have been an embarrassing event is now something that is impolite to mention

    I think it's impossible to make that kind of assessment. If you're under a huge amount of stress, something minor like spilling coffee on your best jumper can be enough to set you off. Or she's entirely relaxed in the job but something genuinely dreadful has happened in her personal life.

    I think Labour have done a remarkably good job at suppressing it as an issue - the news has already moved on and it's only on places like PB where it's still coming up. Funny how the narrative turned so quickly to the markets, even though the movement was basically immaterial - perversely it's bolstered her position by associating her presence with economic stability. I wonder if that was gamed a bit.
    This is bollocks. The image of her blubbing is now etched on the public consciousness. It’s indelible

    This will be Reeves forever. The chancellor that cried in the commons. I know you don’t want this to be true but it is true. It’s like Sunak in the rain but worse
    The thing that will really upset her must be those bags under her eyes - way above the Ryan Air luggage allowance.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,848

    Leon said:

    Am in a minibus returning to Sofia from the cool green mountains

    Down here in the valley it is 38C

    THIRTY EIGHT C

    The Gazette has sent you to Sunil's living room?
    It's OK, only 25C inside today!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,848

    Whwnever I see things like "ICE deports immigrants," I wonder what the Institute of Civil Engineers has got to do with immigration...

    Intercity Express (Germany).
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,127
    Does anyone know why Bairstow was dropped from the side?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,090

    Nigelb said:

    British Embassy 4th July greetings.
    https://x.com/UKinUSA/status/1941044312583950697

    Trouble is the joke falls flat yet perpetuates the myth that anyone in Britain cares. If we did then we'd not have held our election on the same day.
    Why not? They had theirs on Fifth of November.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,222
    scampi25 said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    isam said:

    Does anyone believe that the primary cause of Rachel Reeves’ tears on Wednesday was a personal matter, rather than one related to politics? I would say I’m 80/20 it was just to do with her day job, but quite a good and left wing ruse to make it so that what could have been an embarrassing event is now something that is impolite to mention

    I think it's impossible to make that kind of assessment. If you're under a huge amount of stress, something minor like spilling coffee on your best jumper can be enough to set you off. Or she's entirely relaxed in the job but something genuinely dreadful has happened in her personal life.

    I think Labour have done a remarkably good job at suppressing it as an issue - the news has already moved on and it's only on places like PB where it's still coming up. Funny how the narrative turned so quickly to the markets, even though the movement was basically immaterial - perversely it's bolstered her position by associating her presence with economic stability. I wonder if that was gamed a bit.
    This is bollocks. The image of her blubbing is now etched on the public consciousness. It’s indelible

    This will be Reeves forever. The chancellor that cried in the commons. I know you don’t want this to be true but it is true. It’s like Sunak in the rain but worse
    The thing that will really upset her must be those bags under her eyes - way above the Ryan Air luggage allowance.
    I know it's a hot friday afternoon but the dial on the misogyny meter is dangerously into the red and people can't be on more than their 4th or 5th can of Tennants...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,583
    edited July 4
    'A council has removed all transgender-related books from the children's sections of its libraries, its leader has said.

    In a post on social media, Kent County Council leader Linden Kemkaran said the books were to be removed with immediate effect in a "victory for common sense in Kent".

    Paul Webb, Reform UK's communities portfolio holder who oversees libraries, said the move came after a "concerned member of the public" contacted him.

    The BBC has contacted the council and Webb to find out which books have been removed. Both are yet to respond.

    The Liberal Democrat leader of the opposition, Antony Hook, said: "It is bizarre that the leader of the council is making announcements on social media, rather than to the council....Defending the decision, Webb said: "In our society, children are quite rightly and properly protected from items and actions that could cause them harm – for example alcohol, cigarettes and gambling.

    "My fellow Reform members and I believe that our young people should be protected from exposure to potentially harmful ideologies and beliefs such as those held by the trans lobbyists."

    When the BBC asked if Reform UK had carried out an assessment to understand the impact of removing the books, Webb said: "As far as impact assessments are concerned, I would have thought that question should have been asked before these books were placed in the children's section to begin with."

    Ms Kemkaran added: "Telling children they're in the wrong body is wrong and simply unacceptable."

    Hook said he had written to the head of Kent library services to ask for an update on what books were to be removed.

    He said: "The announcement made by Ms Kemkaran is vague. She does not specify what books she is referring to. This needs to be properly explained."

    Meanwhile, Labour MP for Chatham and Aylesford Tristian Osbourne has called the decision "unedifying gender baiting of the LGBT community".
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6257p2vry3o#:~:text=A council has removed all,for common sense in Kent".
  • eekeek Posts: 30,530

    Whwnever I see things like "ICE deports immigrants," I wonder what the Institute of Civil Engineers has got to do with immigration...

    Intercity Express (Germany).
    That usually has the word verzögert (delayed) next to it.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,417
    Andy_JS said:

    Sonay Kartal heading for an easy victory over Frenchwomen Diane Parry at Wimbledon.

    We need a British player called Emily Laahndaan.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,583
    Leon said:

    The guardian is trying manfully to normalise Rachel’s Tears. Trouble is it’s trying to simultaneously say “this is regular female behaviour when you lose control” while claiming the tears meant nothing, she hasn’t lost control, it’s all good

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/04/crying-women-workplace-tears-rachel-reeves

    Fact is. it’s absolutely pathetic to break down in tears on the job if you are Chancellor of the Exchequer, especially live on TV. No ifs no buts. Get a grip or resign

    Thatcher and May cried when they left No 10
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,527
    edited July 4
    Dopermean said:

    scampi25 said:

    Leon said:

    Eabhal said:

    isam said:

    Does anyone believe that the primary cause of Rachel Reeves’ tears on Wednesday was a personal matter, rather than one related to politics? I would say I’m 80/20 it was just to do with her day job, but quite a good and left wing ruse to make it so that what could have been an embarrassing event is now something that is impolite to mention

    I think it's impossible to make that kind of assessment. If you're under a huge amount of stress, something minor like spilling coffee on your best jumper can be enough to set you off. Or she's entirely relaxed in the job but something genuinely dreadful has happened in her personal life.

    I think Labour have done a remarkably good job at suppressing it as an issue - the news has already moved on and it's only on places like PB where it's still coming up. Funny how the narrative turned so quickly to the markets, even though the movement was basically immaterial - perversely it's bolstered her position by associating her presence with economic stability. I wonder if that was gamed a bit.
    This is bollocks. The image of her blubbing is now etched on the public consciousness. It’s indelible

    This will be Reeves forever. The chancellor that cried in the commons. I know you don’t want this to be true but it is true. It’s like Sunak in the rain but worse
    The thing that will really upset her must be those bags under her eyes - way above the Ryan Air luggage allowance.
    I know it's a hot friday afternoon but the dial on the misogyny meter is dangerously into the red and people can't be on more than their 4th or 5th can of Tennants...
    It’s because the left is trying to play the opposite card. “You’re only being mean to her because she’s a woman doing a woman thing”

    Sorry no. You can’t cry live on tv if you’re the chancellor. Doesn’t matter if you’re man, woman or transgender furry-queer. You just can’t cry on the job; it’s the one job where you can’t do that - arguably even more than the prime minister

    I’d say the same if it was a chancellor exhibiting an uncontrolled male emotion - say, overt aggression. When you’re presenting the budget you’re not allowed to leap across the Commons and knee the leader of the SNP in the goolies. Much as you may want to
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,527
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    The guardian is trying manfully to normalise Rachel’s Tears. Trouble is it’s trying to simultaneously say “this is regular female behaviour when you lose control” while claiming the tears meant nothing, she hasn’t lost control, it’s all good

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/04/crying-women-workplace-tears-rachel-reeves

    Fact is. it’s absolutely pathetic to break down in tears on the job if you are Chancellor of the Exchequer, especially live on TV. No ifs no buts. Get a grip or resign

    Thatcher and May cried when they left No 10
    TMay cried live on air like a pathetic baby

    La Thatch cried privately in a car and was caught by a paparazzo

    That’s the difference
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,417

    My wife doesn't often talk politics but last night she gave a refreshing different perspective on the Chancellor crying.

    Her attitude was "who hasn't cried at work"?

    Followed up with "why be sad on your own time"?

    Was she putting up her new “live, love, laugh, drink gin” sign whilst she said this?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,222
    Andy_JS said:

    Does anyone know why Bairstow was dropped from the side?

    20 overs to the new ball, England need to make the most of it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,936
    Dopermean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Does anyone know why Bairstow was dropped from the side?

    20 overs to the new ball, England need to make the most of it.
    Yes, the old ball is harder to get over the boundary.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,037

    Gary Lineker holds back tears as he says BBC should ‘hang its head in shame’ | The Independent https://share.google/zmr6Gtk397YCqeYj4

    Gary's got his wish. Now he's gone..."things can only get better"

    He's a wrong 'un. Like him as a presenter, but thinks he's some kind of insightful sage.

    That's what comments sections are for mate.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,127
    A draw is now more likely than an India win according to BE.

    Draw 2.52
    India 2.54
    England 5

    https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/cricket/market/1.245074690
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,871

    Sickening.

    Careful...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,583
    edited July 4
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    The guardian is trying manfully to normalise Rachel’s Tears. Trouble is it’s trying to simultaneously say “this is regular female behaviour when you lose control” while claiming the tears meant nothing, she hasn’t lost control, it’s all good

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/04/crying-women-workplace-tears-rachel-reeves

    Fact is. it’s absolutely pathetic to break down in tears on the job if you are Chancellor of the Exchequer, especially live on TV. No ifs no buts. Get a grip or resign

    Thatcher and May cried when they left No 10
    TMay cried live on air like a pathetic baby

    La Thatch cried privately in a car and was caught by a paparazzo

    That’s the difference
    Yes but Thatcher still knew cameras could catch her tears but cried anyway. I think women are generally more emotional and prone to tears than most men (with the possible exception of gay men), doesn't mean they can't do the job but that is human nature. Remember too Hillary Clinton's tears in that NH cafe in the 2008 primaries after she had lost Iowa to Obama? Like Thatcher she was supposed to be the toughest of women.

    The one exception of an uber powerful woman who never showed emotion in public was perhaps the late Queen (apart from when Britannia was decomissioned and a few tears were silently shed)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,037
    edited July 4

    My wife doesn't often talk politics but last night she gave a refreshing different perspective on the Chancellor crying.

    Her attitude was "who hasn't cried at work"?

    Followed up with "why be sad on your own time"?

    I agree in theory but when we give significant power over millions to people we can reasonably expect them to be more exceptional than the average person, including in leading and reassuring people. As one example we reasonably expect political leaders to put country interests over personal interests.

    I dont think Reeves is done because for whatever reason she got teary, she can still have a grip on the job, but i also dont think it unfair if someone does think it a bigger deal than i do.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,611
    HYUFD said:

    Sickening.

    Thomas Partey: Former Arsenal footballer charged with multiple rapes

    Two-and-a-half-year investigation leaves Premier League club facing intense criticism after midfielder charged with five counts of rape


    Thomas Partey, the former Arsenal footballer, has been charged with five counts of rape and one count of sexual assault, the Crown Prosecution Service has announced.

    The bombshell case leaves the Premier League club facing intense criticism for continuing to play him for almost three years in full knowledge of an investigation.

    Telegraph Sport had exclusively revealed in July 2022 how a Premier League international had been arrested but only now can his name be published.

    Partey, 32, one of the club’s top earners, has been a key figure in three consecutive title challenges and last season’s run to the Champions League semi-final.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2025/07/04/thomas-partey-arsenal-footballer-charged-with-rape/

    He has not been convicted yet
    It’s a safeguarding issue.

    People get suspended in real life based on allegations.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,530
    edited July 4
    HYUFD said:

    Sickening.

    Thomas Partey: Former Arsenal footballer charged with multiple rapes

    Two-and-a-half-year investigation leaves Premier League club facing intense criticism after midfielder charged with five counts of rape


    Thomas Partey, the former Arsenal footballer, has been charged with five counts of rape and one count of sexual assault, the Crown Prosecution Service has announced.

    The bombshell case leaves the Premier League club facing intense criticism for continuing to play him for almost three years in full knowledge of an investigation.

    Telegraph Sport had exclusively revealed in July 2022 how a Premier League international had been arrested but only now can his name be published.

    Partey, 32, one of the club’s top earners, has been a key figure in three consecutive title challenges and last season’s run to the Champions League semi-final.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2025/07/04/thomas-partey-arsenal-footballer-charged-with-rape/

    He has not been convicted yet
    It's taken 3 years to be charged - it's going to take an equally long time for the court case to arrived.

    Edit - I note he's now a former Arsenal player so were things being delayed until his contract ran out?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 128,583

    HYUFD said:

    Sickening.

    Thomas Partey: Former Arsenal footballer charged with multiple rapes

    Two-and-a-half-year investigation leaves Premier League club facing intense criticism after midfielder charged with five counts of rape


    Thomas Partey, the former Arsenal footballer, has been charged with five counts of rape and one count of sexual assault, the Crown Prosecution Service has announced.

    The bombshell case leaves the Premier League club facing intense criticism for continuing to play him for almost three years in full knowledge of an investigation.

    Telegraph Sport had exclusively revealed in July 2022 how a Premier League international had been arrested but only now can his name be published.

    Partey, 32, one of the club’s top earners, has been a key figure in three consecutive title challenges and last season’s run to the Champions League semi-final.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2025/07/04/thomas-partey-arsenal-footballer-charged-with-rape/

    He has not been convicted yet
    It’s a safeguarding issue.

    People get suspended in real life based on allegations.
    Depends on their contract
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,915
    eek said:

    Whwnever I see things like "ICE deports immigrants," I wonder what the Institute of Civil Engineers has got to do with immigration...

    Intercity Express (Germany).
    That usually has the word verzögert (delayed) next to it.
    Not surprising, given the volume of freight traffic on German railways. Does anyone remember freight trains?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,567
    HMRC admin time as we complete the reorg of our family business operations. The process to file to strike off a business is missing a final step where the director making the application has to type in the final sequence:

    Zero Zero Zero. Destruct. Zero.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,988
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sickening.

    Thomas Partey: Former Arsenal footballer charged with multiple rapes

    Two-and-a-half-year investigation leaves Premier League club facing intense criticism after midfielder charged with five counts of rape


    Thomas Partey, the former Arsenal footballer, has been charged with five counts of rape and one count of sexual assault, the Crown Prosecution Service has announced.

    The bombshell case leaves the Premier League club facing intense criticism for continuing to play him for almost three years in full knowledge of an investigation.

    Telegraph Sport had exclusively revealed in July 2022 how a Premier League international had been arrested but only now can his name be published.

    Partey, 32, one of the club’s top earners, has been a key figure in three consecutive title challenges and last season’s run to the Champions League semi-final.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2025/07/04/thomas-partey-arsenal-footballer-charged-with-rape/

    He has not been convicted yet
    It's taken 3 years to be charged - it's going to take an equally long time for the court case to arrived.

    Edit - I note he's now a former Arsenal player so were things being delayed until his contract ran out?
    Hasn't he left ?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,268
    edited July 4
    carnforth said:

    Sickening.

    Thomas Partey: Former Arsenal footballer charged with multiple rapes

    Two-and-a-half-year investigation leaves Premier League club facing intense criticism after midfielder charged with five counts of rape


    Thomas Partey, the former Arsenal footballer, has been charged with five counts of rape and one count of sexual assault, the Crown Prosecution Service has announced.

    The bombshell case leaves the Premier League club facing intense criticism for continuing to play him for almost three years in full knowledge of an investigation.

    Telegraph Sport had exclusively revealed in July 2022 how a Premier League international had been arrested but only now can his name be published.

    Partey, 32, one of the club’s top earners, has been a key figure in three consecutive title challenges and last season’s run to the Champions League semi-final.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2025/07/04/thomas-partey-arsenal-footballer-charged-with-rape/

    How could they not continue to play him? Are they supposed to fire him and effectively name him on day one? As soon as he is arrested?

    If no charges had been made, he would have been unjustly treated for three years. Not as unjustly treated as, say, being raped. But still.
    Don't you find it convenient that he got charged 4 days after his Arsenal contract ended? Do you really think it took the police 3 years to bring charges or that they were holding back for some reason?
    Scum club does what scum clubs do.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,915
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    The guardian is trying manfully to normalise Rachel’s Tears. Trouble is it’s trying to simultaneously say “this is regular female behaviour when you lose control” while claiming the tears meant nothing, she hasn’t lost control, it’s all good

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/04/crying-women-workplace-tears-rachel-reeves

    Fact is. it’s absolutely pathetic to break down in tears on the job if you are Chancellor of the Exchequer, especially live on TV. No ifs no buts. Get a grip or resign

    Thatcher and May cried when they left No 10
    TMay cried live on air like a pathetic baby

    La Thatch cried privately in a car and was caught by a paparazzo

    That’s the difference
    Yes but Thatcher still knew cameras could catch her tears but cried anyway. I think women are generally more emotional and prone to tears than most men (with the possible exception of gay men), doesn't mean they can't do the job but that is human nature. Remember too Hillary Clinton's tears in that NH cafe in the 2008 primaries after she had lost Iowa to Obama? Like Thatcher she was supposed to be the toughest of women.

    The one exception of an uber powerful woman who never showed emotion in public was perhaps the late Queen (apart from when Britannia was decomissioned and a few tears were silently shed)
    What’s wrong with crying? Male or female. Anywhere.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,077
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    The guardian is trying manfully to normalise Rachel’s Tears. Trouble is it’s trying to simultaneously say “this is regular female behaviour when you lose control” while claiming the tears meant nothing, she hasn’t lost control, it’s all good

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/04/crying-women-workplace-tears-rachel-reeves

    Fact is. it’s absolutely pathetic to break down in tears on the job if you are Chancellor of the Exchequer, especially live on TV. No ifs no buts. Get a grip or resign

    Thatcher and May cried when they left No 10
    TMay cried live on air like a pathetic baby

    La Thatch cried privately in a car and was caught by a paparazzo

    That’s the difference
    Yes but Thatcher still knew cameras could catch her tears but cried anyway. I think women are generally more emotional and prone to tears than most men (with the possible exception of gay men), doesn't mean they can't do the job but that is human nature. Remember too Hillary Clinton's tears in that NH cafe in the 2008 primaries after she had lost Iowa to Obama? Like Thatcher she was supposed to be the toughest of women.

    The one exception of an uber powerful woman who never showed emotion in public was perhaps the late Queen (apart from when Britannia was decomissioned and a few tears were silently shed)
    It depends on the context. Putin's welled up in public a few times:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HYuCAc-KLQ
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,534
    MaxPB said:

    carnforth said:

    Sickening.

    Thomas Partey: Former Arsenal footballer charged with multiple rapes

    Two-and-a-half-year investigation leaves Premier League club facing intense criticism after midfielder charged with five counts of rape


    Thomas Partey, the former Arsenal footballer, has been charged with five counts of rape and one count of sexual assault, the Crown Prosecution Service has announced.

    The bombshell case leaves the Premier League club facing intense criticism for continuing to play him for almost three years in full knowledge of an investigation.

    Telegraph Sport had exclusively revealed in July 2022 how a Premier League international had been arrested but only now can his name be published.

    Partey, 32, one of the club’s top earners, has been a key figure in three consecutive title challenges and last season’s run to the Champions League semi-final.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2025/07/04/thomas-partey-arsenal-footballer-charged-with-rape/

    How could they not continue to play him? Are they supposed to fire him and effectively name him on day one? As soon as he is arrested?

    If no charges had been made, he would have been unjustly treated for three years. Not as unjustly treated as, say, being raped. But still.
    Don't you find it convenient that he got charged 4 days after his Arsenal contract ended? Do you really think it took the police 3 years to bring charges or that they were holding back for some reason?
    Scum club does what scum clubs do.
    Sounds more like corrupt police if that's true.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,871
    Funny how the mods aren't worried about OGH getting into trouble on this one.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 5,915

    HMRC admin time as we complete the reorg of our family business operations. The process to file to strike off a business is missing a final step where the director making the application has to type in the final sequence:

    Zero Zero Zero. Destruct. Zero.

    Can’t you get ICE to do it for you?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,268
    tlg86 said:

    Funny how the mods aren't worried about OGH getting into trouble on this one.

    Funny how Arsenal fans all knew this since the Spain let off but we're happy with him playing for the club. It's literally been an open secret that he had this coming for the last three years.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,179
    Dopermean said:

    tlg86 said:

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1941130907005386852

    Sky News
    @SkyNews
    BREAKING: Former Arsenal football player Thomas Partey has been charged with five counts of rape.

    The 32-year-old, of Hertfordshire, has also been charged with one count of sexual assault.

    Police investigation started in February 22. Arsenal are going to have some difficult questions to answer
    The difficulty for Arsenal is everyone knew who the alleged culprit was for years, but they pretended nothing was the matter. I'm not sure if that was the right decision - was there an internal investigation? Should they have made some sort of bland statement? I think they were even trying re-sign him in the last few weeks, so they've clearly just got wind of the imminent decision.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,122

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    The guardian is trying manfully to normalise Rachel’s Tears. Trouble is it’s trying to simultaneously say “this is regular female behaviour when you lose control” while claiming the tears meant nothing, she hasn’t lost control, it’s all good

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/04/crying-women-workplace-tears-rachel-reeves

    Fact is. it’s absolutely pathetic to break down in tears on the job if you are Chancellor of the Exchequer, especially live on TV. No ifs no buts. Get a grip or resign

    Thatcher and May cried when they left No 10
    TMay cried live on air like a pathetic baby

    La Thatch cried privately in a car and was caught by a paparazzo

    That’s the difference
    Yes but Thatcher still knew cameras could catch her tears but cried anyway. I think women are generally more emotional and prone to tears than most men (with the possible exception of gay men), doesn't mean they can't do the job but that is human nature. Remember too Hillary Clinton's tears in that NH cafe in the 2008 primaries after she had lost Iowa to Obama? Like Thatcher she was supposed to be the toughest of women.

    The one exception of an uber powerful woman who never showed emotion in public was perhaps the late Queen (apart from when Britannia was decomissioned and a few tears were silently shed)
    What’s wrong with crying? Male or female. Anywhere.
    I cry at the opening of a crisp packet. I think I'm probably still a 'man' despite this.

    @HYUFD's "(with the possible exception of gay men)," above is classic.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,556
    carnforth said:

    Sickening.

    Thomas Partey: Former Arsenal footballer charged with multiple rapes

    Two-and-a-half-year investigation leaves Premier League club facing intense criticism after midfielder charged with five counts of rape


    Thomas Partey, the former Arsenal footballer, has been charged with five counts of rape and one count of sexual assault, the Crown Prosecution Service has announced.

    The bombshell case leaves the Premier League club facing intense criticism for continuing to play him for almost three years in full knowledge of an investigation.

    Telegraph Sport had exclusively revealed in July 2022 how a Premier League international had been arrested but only now can his name be published.

    Partey, 32, one of the club’s top earners, has been a key figure in three consecutive title challenges and last season’s run to the Champions League semi-final.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2025/07/04/thomas-partey-arsenal-footballer-charged-with-rape/

    How could they not continue to play him? Are they supposed to fire him and effectively name him on day one? As soon as he is arrested?

    If no charges had been made, he would have been unjustly treated for three years. Not as unjustly treated as, say, being raped. But still.
    There's a major problem when an investigation like this takes nearly three and a half years, and it hasn't even gone to trial. Needs to be a lot faster.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,276
    edited July 4
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sickening.

    Thomas Partey: Former Arsenal footballer charged with multiple rapes

    Two-and-a-half-year investigation leaves Premier League club facing intense criticism after midfielder charged with five counts of rape


    Thomas Partey, the former Arsenal footballer, has been charged with five counts of rape and one count of sexual assault, the Crown Prosecution Service has announced.

    The bombshell case leaves the Premier League club facing intense criticism for continuing to play him for almost three years in full knowledge of an investigation.

    Telegraph Sport had exclusively revealed in July 2022 how a Premier League international had been arrested but only now can his name be published.

    Partey, 32, one of the club’s top earners, has been a key figure in three consecutive title challenges and last season’s run to the Champions League semi-final.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2025/07/04/thomas-partey-arsenal-footballer-charged-with-rape/

    He has not been convicted yet
    It’s a safeguarding issue.

    People get suspended in real life based on allegations.
    Depends on their contract
    Not in education.
    He'd never work again in the sector, even if found Not Guilty.
    From the moment of first allegation he'd have been suspended and escorted off the premises.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,179
    MaxPB said:

    tlg86 said:

    Funny how the mods aren't worried about OGH getting into trouble on this one.

    Funny how Arsenal fans all knew this since the Spain let off but we're happy with him playing for the club. It's literally been an open secret that he had this coming for the last three years.
    I guess the thinking is if you suspend every player with an allegation against them you won't have a team left before long.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,432
    Pulpstar said:

    Don't think Stokes will opt to bowl again if he wins the toss on a flat track/sunny day.

    What a differnce a few hours make.
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