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  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,041
    Andy_JS said:

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    Lucy Connolly really is the pin up for the hard of thinking.
    I thought compassion was important for the left.
    Compassion for the right people
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,087
    edited June 28

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    If you support one side in a war then you ipso facto support the death of enemy soldiers. I for one would like more Russian soldiers to die and do not see why I should not be able to express that opinion in public.

    "Death to the IDF" to me falls under freedom of speech.

    In any case, have we forgotten that pop singers are supposed to be provocative?
    Unfortunately they have also forgotten to be good at music.

    As I said earlier, the likes of Kneecap are a trying to ape RATM, except RATM were both innovative while Tom Morello is genius on the guitar, Kneecap are just shit.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,310
    Tres said:

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    Lucy Connolly really is the pin up for the hard of thinking.
    Her and Lucy Letby.
    The Letby case is complex, and that’s a rather cheap shot. I am one of several on PB that thinks there are questions to answer and suspects that there will be an appeal, potentially with very different evidence. There is also almost certain evidence that at least one doctor gave a different account of events during the trial to what he recorded at the time.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,414
    eek said:

    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just rejoice at this news:

    Illegal e-bikes and scooters seized in Sheffield city centre - BBC News https://share.google/WwCMvuJOxbVwRJ1Ji

    The e-motorcycle crackdown is welcome.

    But the blanket ban on e-scooters is to my mind a gross failure of regulation and flexibility. They are undoubtedly a brilliant, cost and energy-efficient way for people to whizz around our cities and towns, particularly given 25% of all journeys are less than a mile (70% less than 5). They don't take up much parking space, don't smash the roads to pieces and so on.

    We need a new RTA and revision to the Highway Code to anticipate the scooter revolution.
    ebikes, if we mean electrically-assisted bicycles, are fine imo. If by e-scooters you mean the ones that look like children's toys, they were briefly very popular round here but have since largely disappeared.
    That's because they are illegal in the Uk - to the extent shops and online retailers don't sell them because they can't be used..

    if that wasn't the case I would have one tomorrow to wizz around town on and I would probably visit town more often if I had one.
    I doubt it. As I said, they used to be common round here, legal or not, but are rarely seen now. That suggests the people who used to whizz round on them decided they were impractical.

    E-scooters are the new Segways. An attractive idea but flawed in practice.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,919

    Tres said:

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    Lucy Connolly really is the pin up for the hard of thinking.
    Her and Lucy Letby.
    The Letby case is complex, and that’s a rather cheap shot. I am one of several on PB that thinks there are questions to answer and suspects that there will be an appeal, potentially with very different evidence. There is also almost certain evidence that at least one doctor gave a different account of events during the trial to what he recorded at the time.
    There have already been multiple appeals. She lost them all.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,087
    edited June 28
    Pagan2 said:

    eek said:

    Rare unanimity on X that Pulp have stolen the show so far at 2025's Glastonbury.

    It's Jarvis Cocker. The Glasgow concert was great and were it not for the fact it would have added 3 hours to 20 hours of driving across last weekend we would have seen them in Glasgow as well. I'm still trying to get Tramline tickets for the Friday...
    His dry charisma seems as strong as ever. There was always an extra layer of subtlety with this band; the most self-aware face of Britpop.
    Sorry brit pop was never that self aware they were people that fancied a quick buck.

    Want self aware look at bands like the levellers, New model army, flux of pink indians, conflict etc
    The Levellers are great live band. At least they were back in the day.

    I used to be down in Brighton a fair bit 20 years ago, I bumped in Jeremy (the bass player) a number of times in pubs and he signed some of his artwork for me.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,413
    Pulp ended up being the best band of “Britpop”, and Different Class the best album.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,883
    Observer's front page

    Starmer confesses

    Not sure this helps his image
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,445

    Pagan2 said:

    eek said:

    Rare unanimity on X that Pulp have stolen the show so far at 2025's Glastonbury.

    It's Jarvis Cocker. The Glasgow concert was great and were it not for the fact it would have added 3 hours to 20 hours of driving across last weekend we would have seen them in Glasgow as well. I'm still trying to get Tramline tickets for the Friday...
    His dry charisma seems as strong as ever. There was always an extra layer of subtlety with this band; the most self-aware face of Britpop.
    Sorry brit pop was never that self aware they were people that fancied a quick buck.

    Want self aware look at bands like the levellers, New model army, flux of pink indians, conflict etc
    The Levellers are great live band. At least they were back in the day.
    I always thought the Levellers a bit tediously right-on until I saw them live. Changed my view completely. I like it when bamds unexpectedly win you round.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,814

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    If you support one side in a war then you ipso facto support the death of enemy soldiers. I for one would like more Russian soldiers to die and do not see why I should not be able to express that opinion in public.

    "Death to the IDF" to me falls under freedom of speech.

    In any case, have we forgotten that pop singers are supposed to be provocative?
    Unfortunately they have also forgotten to be good at music.

    As I said earlier, the likes of Kneecap are a trying to ape RATM, except RATM were both innovative while Tom Morello is genius on the guitar, Kneecap are just shit.
    Ah I hadn't realised that was a music criticism post. Yes Kneecap are shit.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,454
    TSE's enduring hard on for SKS is the one of the weirdest things I've seen on PB

    Is it really just lawyer love?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,414

    Tres said:

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    Lucy Connolly really is the pin up for the hard of thinking.
    Her and Lucy Letby.
    The Letby case is complex, and that’s a rather cheap shot. I am one of several on PB that thinks there are questions to answer and suspects that there will be an appeal, potentially with very different evidence. There is also almost certain evidence that at least one doctor gave a different account of events during the trial to what he recorded at the time.
    There have already been multiple appeals. She lost them all.
    Indeed but if the issue is our justice system cannot handle complex medical and/or statistical evidence, then burning through appeals without fixing the courts does not tell us whether shedunnit.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,310

    Tres said:

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    Lucy Connolly really is the pin up for the hard of thinking.
    Her and Lucy Letby.
    The Letby case is complex, and that’s a rather cheap shot. I am one of several on PB that thinks there are questions to answer and suspects that there will be an appeal, potentially with very different evidence. There is also almost certain evidence that at least one doctor gave a different account of events during the trial to what he recorded at the time.
    There have already been multiple appeals. She lost them all.
    And the doctors evidence changing from the time of the event to court?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,041

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    If you support one side in a war then you ipso facto support the death of enemy soldiers. I for one would like more Russian soldiers to die and do not see why I should not be able to express that opinion in public.

    "Death to the IDF" to me falls under freedom of speech.

    In any case, have we forgotten that pop singers are supposed to be provocative?
    I often find posting problematic for this reason. From a religious point of view I should support the death and destruction of enemies, I suspect expressing that view would likely get me another ban
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,298
    eek said:

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    Lucy Connolly really is the pin up for the hard of thinking.
    Lucy Connolly is a prime example of people not understanding the purpose of the riot act. At times of tension you need to throw the book at anyone ramping up said tension which is what she did...
    She pleaded guilty.

    End of story AFAIC.

  • eekeek Posts: 30,409
    edited June 28

    rcs1000 said:

    Brandi Carlile was outstanding.

    Hadn't realised Gary Numan had never played Galstonbury until today. Sounded great. His two guitarists were cool - looked like "what two White Walkers did on our holidays".

    I hadn't realized you were a lesbian.
    I just love women. I must be then.
    Inside every straight man there's a lesbian wanting to get out and outside every lesbian there's a straight man wanting to get in.
    Do you have something to tell us?
    I have been best bitch at two lesbian weddings.

    As a student and thereafter I spent a lot of time in gay bars.

    I love lesbians, a pair once bought me a Rolex watch, they misunderstood me when I told them 'I wanna watch.'
    Utterly offtopic but you may appreciate this.

    Because I'm in Paris by myself (David Hockney exhibition and something at the Orsay that closes next week) I've spent this afternoon in Galerie Lafayette and Printemps. Both have 5 to 6 floors of men's wear where every floor is the same size as the total size Selfridge's menswear departments in London and Manchester.

    Burberry is still as god awful naff as it always was especially the shirt and shorts combo that was on full display in both those stores and Samaritaine. Just take their tartan, image the worst possible style and it was worse...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,087
    edited June 28
    Cookie said:

    Pagan2 said:

    eek said:

    Rare unanimity on X that Pulp have stolen the show so far at 2025's Glastonbury.

    It's Jarvis Cocker. The Glasgow concert was great and were it not for the fact it would have added 3 hours to 20 hours of driving across last weekend we would have seen them in Glasgow as well. I'm still trying to get Tramline tickets for the Friday...
    His dry charisma seems as strong as ever. There was always an extra layer of subtlety with this band; the most self-aware face of Britpop.
    Sorry brit pop was never that self aware they were people that fancied a quick buck.

    Want self aware look at bands like the levellers, New model army, flux of pink indians, conflict etc
    The Levellers are great live band. At least they were back in the day.
    I always thought the Levellers a bit tediously right-on until I saw them live. Changed my view completely. I like it when bamds unexpectedly win you round.
    Oh they are definitely "right-on", but they can you know do the thing they are famous for i.e. play music, really well.

    Its a bit like Mark Thomas, I doubt politically we agree on very much at all. Is he a really funny comedian, well he definitely was in the noughties. I really enjoyed his live shows.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,351
    Pagan2 said:

    eek said:

    Rare unanimity on X that Pulp have stolen the show so far at 2025's Glastonbury.

    It's Jarvis Cocker. The Glasgow concert was great and were it not for the fact it would have added 3 hours to 20 hours of driving across last weekend we would have seen them in Glasgow as well. I'm still trying to get Tramline tickets for the Friday...
    His dry charisma seems as strong as ever. There was always an extra layer of subtlety with this band; the most self-aware face of Britpop.
    Sorry brit pop was never that self aware they were people that fancied a quick buck.

    Want self aware look at bands like the levellers, New model army, flux of pink indians, conflict etc
    I remember the Levellers being.a huge phenomenon in the early 1990's, around the rave era. There was a radical period in the early 1990's there, before Howard passed the Criminal Justice Act and criminalised his repetitive beats.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,445

    eek said:

    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just rejoice at this news:

    Illegal e-bikes and scooters seized in Sheffield city centre - BBC News https://share.google/WwCMvuJOxbVwRJ1Ji

    The e-motorcycle crackdown is welcome.

    But the blanket ban on e-scooters is to my mind a gross failure of regulation and flexibility. They are undoubtedly a brilliant, cost and energy-efficient way for people to whizz around our cities and towns, particularly given 25% of all journeys are less than a mile (70% less than 5). They don't take up much parking space, don't smash the roads to pieces and so on.

    We need a new RTA and revision to the Highway Code to anticipate the scooter revolution.
    ebikes, if we mean electrically-assisted bicycles, are fine imo. If by e-scooters you mean the ones that look like children's toys, they were briefly very popular round here but have since largely disappeared.
    That's because they are illegal in the Uk - to the extent shops and online retailers don't sell them because they can't be used..

    if that wasn't the case I would have one tomorrow to wizz around town on and I would probably visit town more often if I had one.
    I doubt it. As I said, they used to be common round here, legal or not, but are rarely seen now. That suggests the people who used to whizz round on them decided they were impractical.

    E-scooters are the new Segways. An attractive idea but flawed in practice.
    Salford allows them, Manchester doesn't. If only @Anabobazina were still here to opine.
    Personally, I'm with Salford on this. I have nothing against electronic gadabouts, but I don't like basically motorbikes getting away with pretending to be ebikes.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,298
    Andy_JS said:

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    Lucy Connolly really is the pin up for the hard of thinking.
    I thought compassion was important for the left.
    Also ironic use of the term ‘hard of thinking’
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,041

    Cookie said:

    Pagan2 said:

    eek said:

    Rare unanimity on X that Pulp have stolen the show so far at 2025's Glastonbury.

    It's Jarvis Cocker. The Glasgow concert was great and were it not for the fact it would have added 3 hours to 20 hours of driving across last weekend we would have seen them in Glasgow as well. I'm still trying to get Tramline tickets for the Friday...
    His dry charisma seems as strong as ever. There was always an extra layer of subtlety with this band; the most self-aware face of Britpop.
    Sorry brit pop was never that self aware they were people that fancied a quick buck.

    Want self aware look at bands like the levellers, New model army, flux of pink indians, conflict etc
    The Levellers are great live band. At least they were back in the day.
    I always thought the Levellers a bit tediously right-on until I saw them live. Changed my view completely. I like it when bamds unexpectedly win you round.
    Oh they are definitely "right-on", but they can you know do the thing they are famous for i.e. play music, really well.
    The levellers and my political views do not mix but I enjoyed them live a few times
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,413
    edited June 28

    Interesting piece in the Spectator on the divide on the right:

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/demographics-is-the-new-dividing-line-on-the-right/

    Had a look. It's not the least bit interesting. It uses Goodwin's nonsense demographic predictions.
    I think it’s interesting in terms of the divide in the right.

    Some think that a Britain in which “White British” are in a minority has lost something valuable. Others claim to be relaxed about that possibility.

    Relatedly, perhaps, my grandmother was born to a Tamil mother in Madras; my son is blond and blue-eyed.

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,919

    Tres said:

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    Lucy Connolly really is the pin up for the hard of thinking.
    Her and Lucy Letby.
    The Letby case is complex, and that’s a rather cheap shot. I am one of several on PB that thinks there are questions to answer and suspects that there will be an appeal, potentially with very different evidence. There is also almost certain evidence that at least one doctor gave a different account of events during the trial to what he recorded at the time.
    There have already been multiple appeals. She lost them all.
    Indeed but if the issue is our justice system cannot handle complex medical and/or statistical evidence, then burning through appeals without fixing the courts does not tell us whether shedunnit.
    There was no complex statistical evidence presented. No-one used a p-value or calculated a likelihood. There was no Bayesian analysis.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,454

    TSE's enduring hard on for SKS is the one of the weirdest things I've seen on PB

    Is it really just lawyer love?

    Don't be low IQ.

    This is a betting site, and I look at things rationally, I despise Donald Trump but saw he was likely to win in 2024.

    Sir Keir is woeful but the way you and others latch onto every little thing about is repetitively dull and doesn't help gamblers.
    Everyone loves lawyers is serious betting advice?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,512
    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Brandi Carlile was outstanding.

    Hadn't realised Gary Numan had never played Galstonbury until today. Sounded great. His two guitarists were cool - looked like "what two White Walkers did on our holidays".

    I hadn't realized you were a lesbian.
    I just love women. I must be then.
    Inside every straight man there's a lesbian wanting to get out and outside every lesbian there's a straight man wanting to get in.
    Do you have something to tell us?
    I have been best bitch at two lesbian weddings.

    As a student and thereafter I spent a lot of time in gay bars.

    I love lesbians, a pair once bought me a Rolex watch, they misunderstood me when I told them 'I wanna watch.'
    Utterly offtopic but you may appreciate this.

    Because I'm in Paris by myself (David Hockney exhibition and something at the Orsay that closes next week) I've spent this afternoon in Galerie Lafayette and Printemps. Both have 5 to 6 floors of men's wear where every floor is the same size as the total size Selfridge's menswear departments in London and Manchester.

    Burberry is still as god awful naff as it always was especially the shirt and shorts combo that was on full display in both those stores and Samaritaine. Just take their tartan, image the worst possible style and it was worse...
    I am still boycotting France after their shameful behaviour towards me in 2022.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,413
    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Brandi Carlile was outstanding.

    Hadn't realised Gary Numan had never played Galstonbury until today. Sounded great. His two guitarists were cool - looked like "what two White Walkers did on our holidays".

    I hadn't realized you were a lesbian.
    I just love women. I must be then.
    Inside every straight man there's a lesbian wanting to get out and outside every lesbian there's a straight man wanting to get in.
    Do you have something to tell us?
    I have been best bitch at two lesbian weddings.

    As a student and thereafter I spent a lot of time in gay bars.

    I love lesbians, a pair once bought me a Rolex watch, they misunderstood me when I told them 'I wanna watch.'
    Utterly offtopic but you may appreciate this.

    Because I'm in Paris by myself (David Hockney exhibition and something at the Orsay that closes next week) I've spent this afternoon in Galerie Lafayette and Printemps. Both have 5 to 6 floors of men's wear where every floor is the same size as the total size Selfridge's menswear departments in London and Manchester.

    Burberry is still as god awful naff as it always was especially the shirt and shorts combo that was on full display in both those stores and Samaritaine. Just take their tartan, image the worst possible style and it was worse...
    Last time I went to Galeries Lafayette, it was a heaving hellhole of tourists. Like a well-heeled Primark when onesies are on sale.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,463
    Pagan2 said:

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    If you support one side in a war then you ipso facto support the death of enemy soldiers. I for one would like more Russian soldiers to die and do not see why I should not be able to express that opinion in public.

    "Death to the IDF" to me falls under freedom of speech.

    In any case, have we forgotten that pop singers are supposed to be provocative?
    I often find posting problematic for this reason. From a religious point of view I should support the death and destruction of enemies, I suspect expressing that view would likely get me another ban
    You're free to call for the death and destruction of your enemies.

    Likewise, the site is free to decide it doesn't want you as a posting member.

    Personally, death's too good for my enemies. I wish them eternal pain and suffering.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,041

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Brandi Carlile was outstanding.

    Hadn't realised Gary Numan had never played Galstonbury until today. Sounded great. His two guitarists were cool - looked like "what two White Walkers did on our holidays".

    I hadn't realized you were a lesbian.
    I just love women. I must be then.
    Inside every straight man there's a lesbian wanting to get out and outside every lesbian there's a straight man wanting to get in.
    Do you have something to tell us?
    I have been best bitch at two lesbian weddings.

    As a student and thereafter I spent a lot of time in gay bars.

    I love lesbians, a pair once bought me a Rolex watch, they misunderstood me when I told them 'I wanna watch.'
    Utterly offtopic but you may appreciate this.

    Because I'm in Paris by myself (David Hockney exhibition and something at the Orsay that closes next week) I've spent this afternoon in Galerie Lafayette and Printemps. Both have 5 to 6 floors of men's wear where every floor is the same size as the total size Selfridge's menswear departments in London and Manchester.

    Burberry is still as god awful naff as it always was especially the shirt and shorts combo that was on full display in both those stores and Samaritaine. Just take their tartan, image the worst possible style and it was worse...
    I am still boycotting France after their shameful behaviour towards me in 2022.
    Did they serve you dutch cheese as you are foreign and dont know the difference?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,512

    TSE's enduring hard on for SKS is the one of the weirdest things I've seen on PB

    Is it really just lawyer love?

    Don't be low IQ.

    This is a betting site, and I look at things rationally, I despise Donald Trump but saw he was likely to win in 2024.

    Sir Keir is woeful but the way you and others latch onto every little thing about is repetitively dull and doesn't help gamblers.
    Everyone loves lawyers is serious betting advice?
    I have to write circa 700 threads a year for PB, I am allowed to be playful at times.

    But look at that chart, biggest net gains since VE Day, all by lawyers, coincidence I think not.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,310

    Tres said:

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    Lucy Connolly really is the pin up for the hard of thinking.
    Her and Lucy Letby.
    The Letby case is complex, and that’s a rather cheap shot. I am one of several on PB that thinks there are questions to answer and suspects that there will be an appeal, potentially with very different evidence. There is also almost certain evidence that at least one doctor gave a different account of events during the trial to what he recorded at the time.
    There have already been multiple appeals. She lost them all.
    Indeed but if the issue is our justice system cannot handle complex medical and/or statistical evidence, then burning through appeals without fixing the courts does not tell us whether shedunnit.
    There was no complex statistical evidence presented. No-one used a p-value or calculated a likelihood. There was no Bayesian analysis.
    Was the famous chart not used?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,021
    Ratters said:

    SKS would definitely fail this vanilla human test

    His social media accounts look like pure chatgpt

    I fail the vanilla human test on my home WiFi, but pass on 4G.

    I have no idea what to conclude from that.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VrLQXR7mKU

  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,041
    viewcode said:

    Ratters said:

    SKS would definitely fail this vanilla human test

    His social media accounts look like pure chatgpt

    I fail the vanilla human test on my home WiFi, but pass on 4G.

    I have no idea what to conclude from that.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VrLQXR7mKU

    Has anyone asked them yet to define what they mean by human?
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,454

    TSE's enduring hard on for SKS is the one of the weirdest things I've seen on PB

    Is it really just lawyer love?

    Don't be low IQ.

    This is a betting site, and I look at things rationally, I despise Donald Trump but saw he was likely to win in 2024.

    Sir Keir is woeful but the way you and others latch onto every little thing about is repetitively dull and doesn't help gamblers.
    Everyone loves lawyers is serious betting advice?
    I have to write circa 700 threads a year for PB, I am allowed to be playful at times.

    But look at that chart, biggest net gains since VE Day, all by lawyers, coincidence I think not.
    You're just saying "I have some reflected glory" in a now very tired way
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,298
    Former county stalwart but underachieving international cricketer, Wayne Larkins, has passed on.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c4gdrpqeg90o
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,041

    TSE's enduring hard on for SKS is the one of the weirdest things I've seen on PB

    Is it really just lawyer love?

    Don't be low IQ.

    This is a betting site, and I look at things rationally, I despise Donald Trump but saw he was likely to win in 2024.

    Sir Keir is woeful but the way you and others latch onto every little thing about is repetitively dull and doesn't help gamblers.
    Everyone loves lawyers is serious betting advice?
    I have to write circa 700 threads a year for PB, I am allowed to be playful at times.

    But look at that chart, biggest net gains since VE Day, all by lawyers, coincidence I think not.
    You're just saying "I have some reflected glory" in a now very tired way
    When brewing some bits rise to the top...you skim them off and discard them
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 323

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    If you support one side in a war then you ipso facto support the death of enemy soldiers. I for one would like more Russian soldiers to die and do not see why I should not be able to express that opinion in public.

    "Death to the IDF" to me falls under freedom of speech.

    In any case, have we forgotten that pop singers are supposed to be provocative?
    So the people at Glastonbury support Hamas?

    Good to know.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,512
    Taz said:

    Former county stalwart but underachieving international cricketer, Wayne Larkins, has passed on.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c4gdrpqeg90o

    He was a terrible human being though.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/6576769.stm
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,041

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    If you support one side in a war then you ipso facto support the death of enemy soldiers. I for one would like more Russian soldiers to die and do not see why I should not be able to express that opinion in public.

    "Death to the IDF" to me falls under freedom of speech.

    In any case, have we forgotten that pop singers are supposed to be provocative?
    So the people at Glastonbury support Hamas?

    Good to know.
    We know where to place the test nuke
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,512
    Pagan2 said:

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Brandi Carlile was outstanding.

    Hadn't realised Gary Numan had never played Galstonbury until today. Sounded great. His two guitarists were cool - looked like "what two White Walkers did on our holidays".

    I hadn't realized you were a lesbian.
    I just love women. I must be then.
    Inside every straight man there's a lesbian wanting to get out and outside every lesbian there's a straight man wanting to get in.
    Do you have something to tell us?
    I have been best bitch at two lesbian weddings.

    As a student and thereafter I spent a lot of time in gay bars.

    I love lesbians, a pair once bought me a Rolex watch, they misunderstood me when I told them 'I wanna watch.'
    Utterly offtopic but you may appreciate this.

    Because I'm in Paris by myself (David Hockney exhibition and something at the Orsay that closes next week) I've spent this afternoon in Galerie Lafayette and Printemps. Both have 5 to 6 floors of men's wear where every floor is the same size as the total size Selfridge's menswear departments in London and Manchester.

    Burberry is still as god awful naff as it always was especially the shirt and shorts combo that was on full display in both those stores and Samaritaine. Just take their tartan, image the worst possible style and it was worse...
    I am still boycotting France after their shameful behaviour towards me in 2022.
    Did they serve you dutch cheese as you are foreign and dont know the difference?
    It involved tear gas.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,089

    TSE's enduring hard on for SKS is the one of the weirdest things I've seen on PB

    Is it really just lawyer love?

    Don't be low IQ.

    This is a betting site, and I look at things rationally, I despise Donald Trump but saw he was likely to win in 2024.

    Sir Keir is woeful but the way you and others latch onto every little thing about is repetitively dull and doesn't help gamblers.
    It’s not really a betting site, let’s be fair. Not to criticise but most people who post don’t mention betting at all really. It is political debating.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,978
    edited June 28

    Andy_JS said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Going back a bit more ...

    Callaghan - Winter of Discontent
    Wilson - Devaluation
    Heath - Miners strike
    Eden - Suez
    MacMillan - Profumo

    All handled badly. And we already have the same verdict for Cameron, May, Blair, Truss, Sunak, Johnson.

    It shows how it's the norm for these Defining Episodes to be screwed up by the PM of the day. And therefore how (on this metric) Gordon Brown was exceptional.

    He was a great PM. An surprising conclusion (and perhaps unwelcome to many on here) but pretty much undeniable.

    Ted-the Common Market.

    When it came to miners strikes Ted was a rank amateur compared to Thatcher.

    Macmillan was defined by the "you've never had it so good" narrative.

    Devaluation was a seminal moment for Harold but I don't believe it defined him.
    Yes, Wilson is a difficult one. His resignation was unusual in being a purely personal decision.
    I think Harold is probably my favourite post war Prime Minister. I researched the devaluation crisis a while ago, and the big regret was they didn't go much earlier.

    Harold handled his Eurosceptics beautifully. Cameron could have learned lessons from him.
    The very left-wing head of the sixth form at my school named Harold Wilson as his hero.
    Harold was something of a chameleon. He appeared left leaning to the Labour left, and right leaning to the Labour right.

    The print media of course were convinced he was a Soviet agent. One wonders what those journos would make of Donald Trump.
    All very true. I think one of the reasons the head of the sixth form liked Harold was because of the Open University which is a pretty good reason for anyone to rate him.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,298

    Taz said:

    Former county stalwart but underachieving international cricketer, Wayne Larkins, has passed on.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c4gdrpqeg90o

    He was a terrible human being though.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/6576769.stm
    What a piece of shit

    ‘ Larkins said: "Of course we're very sorry. It wasn't intentional."

    These fuckers are always sorry when they’re caught.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,041

    Pagan2 said:

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Brandi Carlile was outstanding.

    Hadn't realised Gary Numan had never played Galstonbury until today. Sounded great. His two guitarists were cool - looked like "what two White Walkers did on our holidays".

    I hadn't realized you were a lesbian.
    I just love women. I must be then.
    Inside every straight man there's a lesbian wanting to get out and outside every lesbian there's a straight man wanting to get in.
    Do you have something to tell us?
    I have been best bitch at two lesbian weddings.

    As a student and thereafter I spent a lot of time in gay bars.

    I love lesbians, a pair once bought me a Rolex watch, they misunderstood me when I told them 'I wanna watch.'
    Utterly offtopic but you may appreciate this.

    Because I'm in Paris by myself (David Hockney exhibition and something at the Orsay that closes next week) I've spent this afternoon in Galerie Lafayette and Printemps. Both have 5 to 6 floors of men's wear where every floor is the same size as the total size Selfridge's menswear departments in London and Manchester.

    Burberry is still as god awful naff as it always was especially the shirt and shorts combo that was on full display in both those stores and Samaritaine. Just take their tartan, image the worst possible style and it was worse...
    I am still boycotting France after their shameful behaviour towards me in 2022.
    Did they serve you dutch cheese as you are foreign and dont know the difference?
    It involved tear gas.
    Could have been worse could have involved cazu marza
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,041
    isam said:

    TSE's enduring hard on for SKS is the one of the weirdest things I've seen on PB

    Is it really just lawyer love?

    Don't be low IQ.

    This is a betting site, and I look at things rationally, I despise Donald Trump but saw he was likely to win in 2024.

    Sir Keir is woeful but the way you and others latch onto every little thing about is repetitively dull and doesn't help gamblers.
    It’s not really a betting site, let’s be fair. Not to criticise but most people who post don’t mention betting at all really. It is political debating.
    Some bet but dont tell, they use this site to gather info
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,512
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Former county stalwart but underachieving international cricketer, Wayne Larkins, has passed on.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c4gdrpqeg90o

    He was a terrible human being though.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/6576769.stm
    What a piece of shit

    ‘ Larkins said: "Of course we're very sorry. It wasn't intentional."

    These fuckers are always sorry when they’re caught.
    He stole a house from a 78 year old, it boils my piss when it comes to people who try and steal from the elderly/vulnerable.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,454
    Lawyers are the best is absolutely the right gambling advice

    I hope that everyone appreciates my contribution to the gambling fraternity

    LAWYERS RULE

    Bet accordingly
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,298
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Brandi Carlile was outstanding.

    Hadn't realised Gary Numan had never played Galstonbury until today. Sounded great. His two guitarists were cool - looked like "what two White Walkers did on our holidays".

    I hadn't realized you were a lesbian.
    I just love women. I must be then.
    Inside every straight man there's a lesbian wanting to get out and outside every lesbian there's a straight man wanting to get in.
    Do you have something to tell us?
    I have been best bitch at two lesbian weddings.

    As a student and thereafter I spent a lot of time in gay bars.

    I love lesbians, a pair once bought me a Rolex watch, they misunderstood me when I told them 'I wanna watch.'
    Utterly offtopic but you may appreciate this.

    Because I'm in Paris by myself (David Hockney exhibition and something at the Orsay that closes next week) I've spent this afternoon in Galerie Lafayette and Printemps. Both have 5 to 6 floors of men's wear where every floor is the same size as the total size Selfridge's menswear departments in London and Manchester.

    Burberry is still as god awful naff as it always was especially the shirt and shorts combo that was on full display in both those stores and Samaritaine. Just take their tartan, image the worst possible style and it was worse...
    I am still boycotting France after their shameful behaviour towards me in 2022.
    Did they serve you dutch cheese as you are foreign and dont know the difference?
    It involved tear gas.
    Could have been worse could have involved cazu marza
    I’d give that a go.

    It’s cheese after all. A little extra protein.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,041
    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Brandi Carlile was outstanding.

    Hadn't realised Gary Numan had never played Galstonbury until today. Sounded great. His two guitarists were cool - looked like "what two White Walkers did on our holidays".

    I hadn't realized you were a lesbian.
    I just love women. I must be then.
    Inside every straight man there's a lesbian wanting to get out and outside every lesbian there's a straight man wanting to get in.
    Do you have something to tell us?
    I have been best bitch at two lesbian weddings.

    As a student and thereafter I spent a lot of time in gay bars.

    I love lesbians, a pair once bought me a Rolex watch, they misunderstood me when I told them 'I wanna watch.'
    Utterly offtopic but you may appreciate this.

    Because I'm in Paris by myself (David Hockney exhibition and something at the Orsay that closes next week) I've spent this afternoon in Galerie Lafayette and Printemps. Both have 5 to 6 floors of men's wear where every floor is the same size as the total size Selfridge's menswear departments in London and Manchester.

    Burberry is still as god awful naff as it always was especially the shirt and shorts combo that was on full display in both those stores and Samaritaine. Just take their tartan, image the worst possible style and it was worse...
    I am still boycotting France after their shameful behaviour towards me in 2022.
    Did they serve you dutch cheese as you are foreign and dont know the difference?
    It involved tear gas.
    Could have been worse could have involved cazu marza
    I’d give that a go.

    It’s cheese after all. A little extra protein.
    its great but cover your eyes those maggots can jump
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,087
    edited June 28
    MattW said:

    My long walk today went through the herb garden at Hardwick Hall, and this is exactly the right time of year to visit. My photo quota.

    The conical plants are Golden Hops, and the grey border plants are Curry Plant, I think.

    I'm amazed that box hedge is intact. They must have been spraying it.

    All ours have been chewed to death by Box Moth. Just a brown skeleton remains.

    The culprit seems to have moved north recently.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,652

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Former county stalwart but underachieving international cricketer, Wayne Larkins, has passed on.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/c4gdrpqeg90o

    He was a terrible human being though.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/6576769.stm
    What a piece of shit

    ‘ Larkins said: "Of course we're very sorry. It wasn't intentional."

    These fuckers are always sorry when they’re caught.
    He stole a house from a 78 year old, it boils my piss when it comes to people who try and steal from the elderly/vulnerable.
    WFA?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,110
    edited June 28

    eek said:

    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just rejoice at this news:

    Illegal e-bikes and scooters seized in Sheffield city centre - BBC News https://share.google/WwCMvuJOxbVwRJ1Ji

    The e-motorcycle crackdown is welcome.

    But the blanket ban on e-scooters is to my mind a gross failure of regulation and flexibility. They are undoubtedly a brilliant, cost and energy-efficient way for people to whizz around our cities and towns, particularly given 25% of all journeys are less than a mile (70% less than 5). They don't take up much parking space, don't smash the roads to pieces and so on.

    We need a new RTA and revision to the Highway Code to anticipate the scooter revolution.
    ebikes, if we mean electrically-assisted bicycles, are fine imo. If by e-scooters you mean the ones that look like children's toys, they were briefly very popular round here but have since largely disappeared.
    That's because they are illegal in the Uk - to the extent shops and online retailers don't sell them because they can't be used..

    if that wasn't the case I would have one tomorrow to wizz around town on and I would probably visit town more often if I had one.
    I doubt it. As I said, they used to be common round here, legal or not, but are rarely seen now. That suggests the people who used to whizz round on them decided they were impractical.

    E-scooters are the new Segways. An attractive idea but flawed in practice.
    What's wrong with them? There's clearly gigantic latent demand for them given the number of people who use them while being entirely illegal to do so.

    The issue is the current rider. The kind of person who breaks the law on e-scooters is more likely to be doing the same elsewhere. If they were legal, it would the Rotary Club tending to the flowers with them.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,512
    edited June 28

    Lawyers are the best is absolutely the right gambling advice

    I hope that everyone appreciates my contribution to the gambling fraternity

    LAWYERS RULE

    Bet accordingly

    Indeed, I have a 14/1 tip that paid out in under 72 hours a few weeks ago.

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/04/26/the-14-1-bet-ive-just-taken/

    There was the time I tipped a July 2024 election at 20/1

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2024/03/27/we-may-need-to-revise-our-summer-plans/

    There was the time I tipped the SNP to poll 40% to 45% at the Hamilton, Larkhall, and Stonehouse by-election

    https://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2025/06/03/by-election-betting-3/


    I could go on but I am far too modest to keep on posting all my winners.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,814

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    If you support one side in a war then you ipso facto support the death of enemy soldiers. I for one would like more Russian soldiers to die and do not see why I should not be able to express that opinion in public.

    "Death to the IDF" to me falls under freedom of speech.

    In any case, have we forgotten that pop singers are supposed to be provocative?
    So the people at Glastonbury support Hamas?

    Good to know.
    Maybe they just don't support the way in which the IDF is waging the war.

    Hamas is the only game in town, how else are Gazans supposed to defend themselves?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,978
    edited June 28
    I remember Wayne Larkins from the 1990/91 Ashes tour. He already looked about 45 on that time. RIP.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,298
    Pagan2 said:

    Taz said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Brandi Carlile was outstanding.

    Hadn't realised Gary Numan had never played Galstonbury until today. Sounded great. His two guitarists were cool - looked like "what two White Walkers did on our holidays".

    I hadn't realized you were a lesbian.
    I just love women. I must be then.
    Inside every straight man there's a lesbian wanting to get out and outside every lesbian there's a straight man wanting to get in.
    Do you have something to tell us?
    I have been best bitch at two lesbian weddings.

    As a student and thereafter I spent a lot of time in gay bars.

    I love lesbians, a pair once bought me a Rolex watch, they misunderstood me when I told them 'I wanna watch.'
    Utterly offtopic but you may appreciate this.

    Because I'm in Paris by myself (David Hockney exhibition and something at the Orsay that closes next week) I've spent this afternoon in Galerie Lafayette and Printemps. Both have 5 to 6 floors of men's wear where every floor is the same size as the total size Selfridge's menswear departments in London and Manchester.

    Burberry is still as god awful naff as it always was especially the shirt and shorts combo that was on full display in both those stores and Samaritaine. Just take their tartan, image the worst possible style and it was worse...
    I am still boycotting France after their shameful behaviour towards me in 2022.
    Did they serve you dutch cheese as you are foreign and dont know the difference?
    It involved tear gas.
    Could have been worse could have involved cazu marza
    I’d give that a go.

    It’s cheese after all. A little extra protein.
    its great but cover your eyes those maggots can jump
    I’d wear a hi viz and protective glasses.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,786

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    If you support one side in a war then you ipso facto support the death of enemy soldiers. I for one would like more Russian soldiers to die and do not see why I should not be able to express that opinion in public.

    "Death to the IDF" to me falls under freedom of speech.

    In any case, have we forgotten that pop singers are supposed to be provocative?
    So the people at Glastonbury support Hamas?

    Good to know.
    Maybe they just don't support the way in which the IDF is waging the war.

    Hamas is the only game in town, how else are Gazans supposed to defend themselves?
    Was October 7 defending themselves?
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,298
    Andy_JS said:

    I remember Wayne Larkins from the 1990/91 Ashes tour. He already looked about 45 on that time. RIP.

    A typical decent county player who was shit when he played internationals
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 323

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    If you support one side in a war then you ipso facto support the death of enemy soldiers. I for one would like more Russian soldiers to die and do not see why I should not be able to express that opinion in public.

    "Death to the IDF" to me falls under freedom of speech.

    In any case, have we forgotten that pop singers are supposed to be provocative?
    So the people at Glastonbury support Hamas?

    Good to know.
    Maybe they just don't support the way in which the IDF is waging the war.

    Hamas is the only game in town, how else are Gazans supposed to defend themselves?
    If you'd been paying attention you'd know that Hamas started the war and took a load of hostages.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,409

    eek said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Brandi Carlile was outstanding.

    Hadn't realised Gary Numan had never played Galstonbury until today. Sounded great. His two guitarists were cool - looked like "what two White Walkers did on our holidays".

    I hadn't realized you were a lesbian.
    I just love women. I must be then.
    Inside every straight man there's a lesbian wanting to get out and outside every lesbian there's a straight man wanting to get in.
    Do you have something to tell us?
    I have been best bitch at two lesbian weddings.

    As a student and thereafter I spent a lot of time in gay bars.

    I love lesbians, a pair once bought me a Rolex watch, they misunderstood me when I told them 'I wanna watch.'
    Utterly offtopic but you may appreciate this.

    Because I'm in Paris by myself (David Hockney exhibition and something at the Orsay that closes next week) I've spent this afternoon in Galerie Lafayette and Printemps. Both have 5 to 6 floors of men's wear where every floor is the same size as the total size Selfridge's menswear departments in London and Manchester.

    Burberry is still as god awful naff as it always was especially the shirt and shorts combo that was on full display in both those stores and Samaritaine. Just take their tartan, image the worst possible style and it was worse...
    Last time I went to Galeries Lafayette, it was a heaving hellhole of tourists. Like a well-heeled Primark when onesies are on sale.
    Galeries Lafayette is blooming awful but the neighbouring menswear store was rather pleasant. Mrs Eek and I have a game of finding the worst possible item and while the Burberry outfit was beyond naff this hat pipped it


  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,512
    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I remember Wayne Larkins from the 1990/91 Ashes tour. He already looked about 45 on that time. RIP.

    A typical decent county player who was shit when he played internationals
    Graham Gooch rated him and thinks Larkins suffered by going on the first rebel tour.

    Ironically it was the second rebel tour that allowed Larkins back in the team.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,814
    tlg86 said:

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    If you support one side in a war then you ipso facto support the death of enemy soldiers. I for one would like more Russian soldiers to die and do not see why I should not be able to express that opinion in public.

    "Death to the IDF" to me falls under freedom of speech.

    In any case, have we forgotten that pop singers are supposed to be provocative?
    So the people at Glastonbury support Hamas?

    Good to know.
    Maybe they just don't support the way in which the IDF is waging the war.

    Hamas is the only game in town, how else are Gazans supposed to defend themselves?
    Was October 7 defending themselves?
    No. But now, it is.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,409

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I remember Wayne Larkins from the 1990/91 Ashes tour. He already looked about 45 on that time. RIP.

    A typical decent county player who was shit when he played internationals
    Graham Gooch rated him and thinks Larkins suffered by going on the first rebel tour.

    Ironically it was the second rebel tour that allowed Larkins back in the team.
    Hardly surprising the consequences of doing something you've been told to not do is that the sweeties won't be available for a while.

  • TazTaz Posts: 19,298

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I remember Wayne Larkins from the 1990/91 Ashes tour. He already looked about 45 on that time. RIP.

    A typical decent county player who was shit when he played internationals
    Graham Gooch rated him and thinks Larkins suffered by going on the first rebel tour.

    Ironically it was the second rebel tour that allowed Larkins back in the team.
    The Gooch was a terrific batsman but in Larkins case he never delivered. The Gooch may well have rated him, however A great player on paper is nothing if he never actually delivers when it matters.

    Also his nickname, Ned. 🙄
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,298
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I remember Wayne Larkins from the 1990/91 Ashes tour. He already looked about 45 on that time. RIP.

    A typical decent county player who was shit when he played internationals
    Graham Gooch rated him and thinks Larkins suffered by going on the first rebel tour.

    Ironically it was the second rebel tour that allowed Larkins back in the team.
    Hardly surprising the consequences of doing something you've been told to not do is that the sweeties won't be available for a while.

    He was handsomely rewarded for his venture. He was choosing between different types of sweeties.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,430

    MattW said:

    My long walk today went through the herb garden at Hardwick Hall, and this is exactly the right time of year to visit. My photo quota.

    The conical plants are Golden Hops, and the grey border plants are Curry Plant, I think.

    I'm amazed that box hedge is intact. They must have been spraying it.

    All ours have been chewed to death by Box Moth. Just a brown skeleton remains.

    The culprit seems to have moved north recently.
    Green green green up here
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,087
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I remember Wayne Larkins from the 1990/91 Ashes tour. He already looked about 45 on that time. RIP.

    A typical decent county player who was shit when he played internationals
    Graham Gooch rated him and thinks Larkins suffered by going on the first rebel tour.

    Ironically it was the second rebel tour that allowed Larkins back in the team.
    The Gooch was a terrific batsman but in Larkins case he never delivered. The Gooch may well have rated him, however A great player on paper is nothing if he never actually delivers when it matters.

    Also his nickname, Ned. 🙄
    Ravel Morrison waves....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,265
    malcolmg said:

    MattW said:

    My long walk today went through the herb garden at Hardwick Hall, and this is exactly the right time of year to visit. My photo quota.

    The conical plants are Golden Hops, and the grey border plants are Curry Plant, I think.

    I'm amazed that box hedge is intact. They must have been spraying it.

    All ours have been chewed to death by Box Moth. Just a brown skeleton remains.

    The culprit seems to have moved north recently.
    Green green green up here
    They only took a couple of years to get from Surrey to Devon.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,978
    ‘Tell me what to ask about’ — MP faces cash for questions claims
    Ex-Tory minister George Freeman refers himself to parliamentary watchdog after leaked emails reveal he was paid by a company that helped him write questions to government" (£)

    https://www.thetimes.com/article/0e4e5ff4-2668-4677-87a9-3a211bdc371b
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,512
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I remember Wayne Larkins from the 1990/91 Ashes tour. He already looked about 45 on that time. RIP.

    A typical decent county player who was shit when he played internationals
    Graham Gooch rated him and thinks Larkins suffered by going on the first rebel tour.

    Ironically it was the second rebel tour that allowed Larkins back in the team.
    The Gooch was a terrific batsman but in Larkins case he never delivered. The Gooch may well have rated him, however A great player on paper is nothing if he never actually delivers when it matters.

    Also his nickname, Ned. 🙄
    I started watching cricket in 1990 when Gooch was godlike, 333 (and 123) against India at Lord's.

    The following year the best innings by England batter when he scored 154* against the Windies when Ambrose, Marshall, Walsh, and Patterson were destroying everyone else, the next highest score was 27.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,652
    Andy_JS said:

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    Lucy Connolly really is the pin up for the hard of thinking.
    I thought compassion was important for the left.
    Not of the left just not of the right, and I particularly dislike racists.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,856

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Going back a bit more ...

    Callaghan - Winter of Discontent
    Wilson - Devaluation
    Heath - Miners strike
    Eden - Suez
    MacMillan - Profumo

    All handled badly. And we already have the same verdict for Cameron, May, Blair, Truss, Sunak, Johnson.

    It shows how it's the norm for these Defining Episodes to be screwed up by the PM of the day. And therefore how (on this metric) Gordon Brown was exceptional.

    He was a great PM. An surprising conclusion (and perhaps unwelcome to many on here) but pretty much undeniable.

    Ted-the Common Market.

    When it came to miners strikes Ted was a rank amateur compared to Thatcher.

    Macmillan was defined by the "you've never had it so good" narrative.

    Devaluation was a seminal moment for Harold but I don't believe it defined him.
    Yes, Wilson is a difficult one. His resignation was unusual in being a purely personal decision.
    I think Harold is probably my favourite post war Prime Minister. I researched the devaluation crisis a while ago, and the big regret was they didn't go much earlier.

    Harold handled his Eurosceptics beautifully. Cameron could have learned lessons from him.
    The cleverest person ever to inhabit number ten. I think this is generally acknowledged. And just a touch of the populist there too with his pipe and simple folksy manner and holidays in the Scillies.
    He may have been clever, but he didn’t achieve anything of substance.

    Macmillan oversaw decolonialism, and Heath got Britain into the EU.

    Wilson just had his “white heat” speech and spent his time trying to avoid devaluation - and failing.
    Harold Wilson kept us out of Vietnam. That was a courageous act that did the country far more good in sum than either joining the EEC or the dash out of Africa.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 5,087
    edited June 28
    malcolmg said:

    MattW said:

    My long walk today went through the herb garden at Hardwick Hall, and this is exactly the right time of year to visit. My photo quota.

    The conical plants are Golden Hops, and the grey border plants are Curry Plant, I think.

    I'm amazed that box hedge is intact. They must have been spraying it.

    All ours have been chewed to death by Box Moth. Just a brown skeleton remains.

    The culprit seems to have moved north recently.
    Green green green up here
    You should be safe for a few years yet, but maybe not forever.

    https://www.rhs.org.uk/biodiversity/box-tree-caterpillar
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,298

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I remember Wayne Larkins from the 1990/91 Ashes tour. He already looked about 45 on that time. RIP.

    A typical decent county player who was shit when he played internationals
    Graham Gooch rated him and thinks Larkins suffered by going on the first rebel tour.

    Ironically it was the second rebel tour that allowed Larkins back in the team.
    The Gooch was a terrific batsman but in Larkins case he never delivered. The Gooch may well have rated him, however A great player on paper is nothing if he never actually delivers when it matters.

    Also his nickname, Ned. 🙄
    Ravel Morrison waves....
    We had that loser on loan at the start of his career. His attitude stunk.

    It was even too bad for the management team at the time.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,512
    edited June 28

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I remember Wayne Larkins from the 1990/91 Ashes tour. He already looked about 45 on that time. RIP.

    A typical decent county player who was shit when he played internationals
    Graham Gooch rated him and thinks Larkins suffered by going on the first rebel tour.

    Ironically it was the second rebel tour that allowed Larkins back in the team.
    The Gooch was a terrific batsman but in Larkins case he never delivered. The Gooch may well have rated him, however A great player on paper is nothing if he never actually delivers when it matters.

    Also his nickname, Ned. 🙄
    Ravel Morrison waves....
    I found out something about Ravel Morrison which reflects poorly on Manchester United, he was diagnosed with ADHD and was prescribed meds which would have helped him but because of anti-doping regulations he wasn't allowed to take them.

    However he would have been able to take the meds if Manchester United had applied for an exemption but they didn't.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,298

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I remember Wayne Larkins from the 1990/91 Ashes tour. He already looked about 45 on that time. RIP.

    A typical decent county player who was shit when he played internationals
    Graham Gooch rated him and thinks Larkins suffered by going on the first rebel tour.

    Ironically it was the second rebel tour that allowed Larkins back in the team.
    The Gooch was a terrific batsman but in Larkins case he never delivered. The Gooch may well have rated him, however A great player on paper is nothing if he never actually delivers when it matters.

    Also his nickname, Ned. 🙄
    I started watching cricket in 1990 when Gooch was godlike, 333 (and 123) against India at Lord's.

    The following year the best innings by England batter when he scored 154* against the Windies when Ambrose, Marshall, Walsh, and Patterson were destroying everyone else, the next highest score was 27.
    Now I feel old. I started watching in the first World Cup year and remember his first tests against the Aussies, although not his ignominious performance specifically.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,848

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Going back a bit more ...

    Callaghan - Winter of Discontent
    Wilson - Devaluation
    Heath - Miners strike
    Eden - Suez
    MacMillan - Profumo

    All handled badly. And we already have the same verdict for Cameron, May, Blair, Truss, Sunak, Johnson.

    It shows how it's the norm for these Defining Episodes to be screwed up by the PM of the day. And therefore how (on this metric) Gordon Brown was exceptional.

    He was a great PM. An surprising conclusion (and perhaps unwelcome to many on here) but pretty much undeniable.

    Ted-the Common Market.

    When it came to miners strikes Ted was a rank amateur compared to Thatcher.

    Macmillan was defined by the "you've never had it so good" narrative.

    Devaluation was a seminal moment for Harold but I don't believe it defined him.
    Yes, Wilson is a difficult one. His resignation was unusual in being a purely personal decision.
    I think Harold is probably my favourite post war Prime Minister. I researched the devaluation crisis a while ago, and the big regret was they didn't go much earlier.

    Harold handled his Eurosceptics beautifully. Cameron could have learned lessons from him.
    The cleverest person ever to inhabit number ten. I think this is generally acknowledged. And just a touch of the populist there too with his pipe and simple folksy manner and holidays in the Scillies.
    He may have been clever, but he didn’t achieve anything of substance.

    Macmillan oversaw decolonialism, and Heath got Britain into the EU.

    Wilson just had his “white heat” speech and spent his time trying to avoid devaluation - and failing.
    Some considerable social reforms.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,087
    edited June 28

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I remember Wayne Larkins from the 1990/91 Ashes tour. He already looked about 45 on that time. RIP.

    A typical decent county player who was shit when he played internationals
    Graham Gooch rated him and thinks Larkins suffered by going on the first rebel tour.

    Ironically it was the second rebel tour that allowed Larkins back in the team.
    The Gooch was a terrific batsman but in Larkins case he never delivered. The Gooch may well have rated him, however A great player on paper is nothing if he never actually delivers when it matters.

    Also his nickname, Ned. 🙄
    Ravel Morrison waves....
    I found out something about Ravel Morrison which reflects poorly on Manchester United, he was diagnosed with ADHD and was prescribed meds which would have helped him but because of anti-doping regulations he wasn't allowed to take it.

    However he would have been able to take the meds if Manchester United had applied for an exemption but they didn't.
    I saw a recent interview with him in which he claims he never been a drinker (or drugs), that he was addicted to Playstation....and numerous times he was out playing football with his mates until the small hours, meaning he didn't turn up for training.

    I don't know how much he is trying to rewrite history or not.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,786

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    If you support one side in a war then you ipso facto support the death of enemy soldiers. I for one would like more Russian soldiers to die and do not see why I should not be able to express that opinion in public.

    "Death to the IDF" to me falls under freedom of speech.

    In any case, have we forgotten that pop singers are supposed to be provocative?
    So the people at Glastonbury support Hamas?

    Good to know.
    Maybe they just don't support the way in which the IDF is waging the war.

    Hamas is the only game in town, how else are Gazans supposed to defend themselves?
    If you'd been paying attention you'd know that Hamas started the war and took a load of hostages.
    Indeed they did. But when opposing an unjustified attack you are not supposed to commit war crimes yourself. The actions of Hamas on 6 Oct are not justifications for the excessive actions of the IDF today.
    I don't think anyone thinks that. But, equally, what's happened since doesn't absolve the Palestinians of their crimes (both previous and ongoing).
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,161

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    If you support one side in a war then you ipso facto support the death of enemy soldiers. I for one would like more Russian soldiers to die and do not see why I should not be able to express that opinion in public.

    "Death to the IDF" to me falls under freedom of speech.

    In any case, have we forgotten that pop singers are supposed to be provocative?
    So the people at Glastonbury support Hamas?

    Good to know.
    Maybe they just don't support the way in which the IDF is waging the war.

    Hamas is the only game in town, how else are Gazans supposed to defend themselves?
    If you'd been paying attention you'd know that Hamas started the war and took a load of hostages.
    Indeed they did. But when opposing an unjustified attack you are not supposed to commit war crimes yourself. The actions of Hamas on 6 Oct are not justifications for the excessive actions of the IDF today.
    Jonny Mao
    @JonnyMao__
    Netanyahu has just stated that Glastonbury is days away from enriching uranium sufficient to build a nuclear bomb.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,298

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I remember Wayne Larkins from the 1990/91 Ashes tour. He already looked about 45 on that time. RIP.

    A typical decent county player who was shit when he played internationals
    Graham Gooch rated him and thinks Larkins suffered by going on the first rebel tour.

    Ironically it was the second rebel tour that allowed Larkins back in the team.
    The Gooch was a terrific batsman but in Larkins case he never delivered. The Gooch may well have rated him, however A great player on paper is nothing if he never actually delivers when it matters.

    Also his nickname, Ned. 🙄
    Ravel Morrison waves....
    I found out something about Ravel Morrison which reflects poorly on Manchester United, he was diagnosed with ADHD and was prescribed meds which would have helped him but because of anti-doping regulations he wasn't allowed to take them.

    However he would have been able to take the meds if Manchester United had applied for an exemption but they didn't.
    What about his other clubs ?

    Did they also fail to do the same ?

    Sounds to me like it’s excuse time.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,814
    tlg86 said:

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    If you support one side in a war then you ipso facto support the death of enemy soldiers. I for one would like more Russian soldiers to die and do not see why I should not be able to express that opinion in public.

    "Death to the IDF" to me falls under freedom of speech.

    In any case, have we forgotten that pop singers are supposed to be provocative?
    So the people at Glastonbury support Hamas?

    Good to know.
    Maybe they just don't support the way in which the IDF is waging the war.

    Hamas is the only game in town, how else are Gazans supposed to defend themselves?
    If you'd been paying attention you'd know that Hamas started the war and took a load of hostages.
    Indeed they did. But when opposing an unjustified attack you are not supposed to commit war crimes yourself. The actions of Hamas on 6 Oct are not justifications for the excessive actions of the IDF today.
    I don't think anyone thinks that. But, equally, what's happened since doesn't absolve the Palestinians of their crimes (both previous and ongoing).
    Well yes of course, both are true.

    It's a bit like WW2 on the Eastern front - do you support Stalin and his killers or those Latvians who joined the XV Waffen SS Division?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,512
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I remember Wayne Larkins from the 1990/91 Ashes tour. He already looked about 45 on that time. RIP.

    A typical decent county player who was shit when he played internationals
    Graham Gooch rated him and thinks Larkins suffered by going on the first rebel tour.

    Ironically it was the second rebel tour that allowed Larkins back in the team.
    The Gooch was a terrific batsman but in Larkins case he never delivered. The Gooch may well have rated him, however A great player on paper is nothing if he never actually delivers when it matters.

    Also his nickname, Ned. 🙄
    Ravel Morrison waves....
    I found out something about Ravel Morrison which reflects poorly on Manchester United, he was diagnosed with ADHD and was prescribed meds which would have helped him but because of anti-doping regulations he wasn't allowed to take them.

    However he would have been able to take the meds if Manchester United had applied for an exemption but they didn't.
    What about his other clubs ?

    Did they also fail to do the same ?

    Sounds to me like it’s excuse time.
    From what I gather the ban on the meds were applied to all the clubs he was loaned to.

    When he went to West Ham they tried to get him the meds but the doctors said it was too late to be effective.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,786

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I remember Wayne Larkins from the 1990/91 Ashes tour. He already looked about 45 on that time. RIP.

    A typical decent county player who was shit when he played internationals
    Graham Gooch rated him and thinks Larkins suffered by going on the first rebel tour.

    Ironically it was the second rebel tour that allowed Larkins back in the team.
    The Gooch was a terrific batsman but in Larkins case he never delivered. The Gooch may well have rated him, however A great player on paper is nothing if he never actually delivers when it matters.

    Also his nickname, Ned. 🙄
    Ravel Morrison waves....
    I found out something about Ravel Morrison which reflects poorly on Manchester United, he was diagnosed with ADHD and was prescribed meds which would have helped him but because of anti-doping regulations he wasn't allowed to take it.

    However he would have been able to take the meds if Manchester United had applied for an exemption but they didn't.
    I saw a recent interview with him in which he claims he never been a drinker (or drugs), that he was addicted to Playstation....and numerous times he was out playing football with his mates until the small hours, meaning he didn't turn up for training.

    I don't know how much he is trying to rewrite history or not.
    Guy I sit next to at Arsenal knows Harvey Elliot's childhood best mate. They were in an academy together (not sure if QPR or Fulham), but Elliot, apparently, only ever wanted to play football. This other lad got into other "stuff" and has thrown it away. It's so infuriating because even if you don't make it to the very top, you can earn really good money in the lower leagues. Certainly better to anything else he's likely to do as a job.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,265
    edited June 28
    Near 80-year old Neil Young doing a storming set including (Why Do I Keep) Fucking Up.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,087
    edited June 28
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I remember Wayne Larkins from the 1990/91 Ashes tour. He already looked about 45 on that time. RIP.

    A typical decent county player who was shit when he played internationals
    Graham Gooch rated him and thinks Larkins suffered by going on the first rebel tour.

    Ironically it was the second rebel tour that allowed Larkins back in the team.
    The Gooch was a terrific batsman but in Larkins case he never delivered. The Gooch may well have rated him, however A great player on paper is nothing if he never actually delivers when it matters.

    Also his nickname, Ned. 🙄
    Ravel Morrison waves....
    I found out something about Ravel Morrison which reflects poorly on Manchester United, he was diagnosed with ADHD and was prescribed meds which would have helped him but because of anti-doping regulations he wasn't allowed to take them.

    However he would have been able to take the meds if Manchester United had applied for an exemption but they didn't.
    What about his other clubs ?

    Did they also fail to do the same ?

    Sounds to me like it’s excuse time.
    I think he was also at the turning point of when football became very tactical. Having all the flashy skills isn't really as attractive as it used to be. If you know anything about the sort of systems Klopp or Pep try and pursue you have to be really switched on and very disciplined. They increasingly want players who have all the natural attributes in terms of pace, fitness, etc but a huge part of the game is now being able to be part of this very complex machine. And if you can't even do turn up for training, you have bugger all chance of understand the tactical system being taught.

    I heard a great interview with a player who played under Biesla....they played virtually no actual football in training. It was tactics and fitness. They signed a player, Biesla said measure his body fat, too high, you don't train until you get it below x%. Finally gets it before x%, trains a bit but miles off the pace in turns of being able to follow the tactics, binned off.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,978
    edited June 28
    When you think about it, it's funny how Larkins got selected for overseas tours in 1989/1990 and 1990/91 when he was pretty old for a test cricketer but didn't get selected for any home matches during that general period. You'd think it would be the other way round if anything, because in those days oversea tours were reckoned to be a lot harder to cope with. That probably isn't true so much now.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,087
    edited June 28
    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I remember Wayne Larkins from the 1990/91 Ashes tour. He already looked about 45 on that time. RIP.

    A typical decent county player who was shit when he played internationals
    Graham Gooch rated him and thinks Larkins suffered by going on the first rebel tour.

    Ironically it was the second rebel tour that allowed Larkins back in the team.
    The Gooch was a terrific batsman but in Larkins case he never delivered. The Gooch may well have rated him, however A great player on paper is nothing if he never actually delivers when it matters.

    Also his nickname, Ned. 🙄
    Ravel Morrison waves....
    I found out something about Ravel Morrison which reflects poorly on Manchester United, he was diagnosed with ADHD and was prescribed meds which would have helped him but because of anti-doping regulations he wasn't allowed to take it.

    However he would have been able to take the meds if Manchester United had applied for an exemption but they didn't.
    I saw a recent interview with him in which he claims he never been a drinker (or drugs), that he was addicted to Playstation....and numerous times he was out playing football with his mates until the small hours, meaning he didn't turn up for training.

    I don't know how much he is trying to rewrite history or not.
    Guy I sit next to at Arsenal knows Harvey Elliot's childhood best mate. They were in an academy together (not sure if QPR or Fulham), but Elliot, apparently, only ever wanted to play football. This other lad got into other "stuff" and has thrown it away. It's so infuriating because even if you don't make it to the very top, you can earn really good money in the lower leagues. Certainly better to anything else he's likely to do as a job.
    These days the competition is off the charts. And it really doesn't take much for you to slip away. I have a family friend who is part of a Premiership Academy and it feels insane the levels of dedication expected.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,934

    Near 80-year old Neil Young doing a storming set including (Why Do I Keep) Fucking Up.

    A special request from Starmer?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,265

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    If you support one side in a war then you ipso facto support the death of enemy soldiers. I for one would like more Russian soldiers to die and do not see why I should not be able to express that opinion in public.

    "Death to the IDF" to me falls under freedom of speech.

    In any case, have we forgotten that pop singers are supposed to be provocative?
    So the people at Glastonbury support Hamas?

    Good to know.
    Maybe they just don't support the way in which the IDF is waging the war.

    Hamas is the only game in town, how else are Gazans supposed to defend themselves?
    If you'd been paying attention you'd know that Hamas started the war and took a load of hostages.
    Indeed they did. But when opposing an unjustified attack you are not supposed to commit war crimes yourself. The actions of Hamas on 6 Oct are not justifications for the excessive actions of the IDF today.
    Jonny Mao
    @JonnyMao__
    Netanyahu has just stated that Glastonbury is days away from enriching uranium sufficient to build a nuclear bomb.
    That giant CND sign was some deep cover...
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,786

    tlg86 said:

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    If you support one side in a war then you ipso facto support the death of enemy soldiers. I for one would like more Russian soldiers to die and do not see why I should not be able to express that opinion in public.

    "Death to the IDF" to me falls under freedom of speech.

    In any case, have we forgotten that pop singers are supposed to be provocative?
    So the people at Glastonbury support Hamas?

    Good to know.
    Maybe they just don't support the way in which the IDF is waging the war.

    Hamas is the only game in town, how else are Gazans supposed to defend themselves?
    If you'd been paying attention you'd know that Hamas started the war and took a load of hostages.
    Indeed they did. But when opposing an unjustified attack you are not supposed to commit war crimes yourself. The actions of Hamas on 6 Oct are not justifications for the excessive actions of the IDF today.
    I don't think anyone thinks that. But, equally, what's happened since doesn't absolve the Palestinians of their crimes (both previous and ongoing).
    Well yes of course, both are true.

    It's a bit like WW2 on the Eastern front - do you support Stalin and his killers or those Latvians who joined the XV Waffen SS Division?
    I disagree. The Latvians and the lot referenced in Goldeneye were between a rock and a hard place. Hamas have the backing of enough Palestinians. Without that, there would be no Hamas (not true with Hitler and Stalin).
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,161
    ..

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    If you support one side in a war then you ipso facto support the death of enemy soldiers. I for one would like more Russian soldiers to die and do not see why I should not be able to express that opinion in public.

    "Death to the IDF" to me falls under freedom of speech.

    In any case, have we forgotten that pop singers are supposed to be provocative?
    So the people at Glastonbury support Hamas?

    Good to know.
    Maybe they just don't support the way in which the IDF is waging the war.

    Hamas is the only game in town, how else are Gazans supposed to defend themselves?
    If you'd been paying attention you'd know that Hamas started the war and took a load of hostages.
    Indeed they did. But when opposing an unjustified attack you are not supposed to commit war crimes yourself. The actions of Hamas on 6 Oct are not justifications for the excessive actions of the IDF today.
    Jonny Mao
    @JonnyMao__
    Netanyahu has just stated that Glastonbury is days away from enriching uranium sufficient to build a nuclear bomb.
    That giant CND sign was some deep cover...
    Never trust a hippy.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,021
    edited June 28
    viewcode said:

    If anybody wants to see the general wondrousness that is Gary Numan's set at Glastonbury, it's here

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002fctd/glastonbury-gary-numan

    For some reason they only gave him one hour, but you take what you can get.

    We aren't talking about Gary Numan. We really should be talking more about Gary Numan. So let's do that. I know all or most of the words to Metal, M.E., Pure, Cars, Down in the Park, My Name Is Ruin, and AFE. But my windows are open because it's hot. So when there is singing along to the lyrics, headbanging and twisty hand gestures whilst tapping the laptop at chez Viewcode, I have to do it really quietly.

    I would have swapped out "Nothing's What It Seems" and "Haunted" and replaced them with "Intruder". Or "Dominion Day". Or "We Are Glass". Or "I Die: You Die". Or "This Wreckage" (the reworked version). Or "Crazier". Or "When the World Comes Apart"... but I detain you.

    Fuck me, but "Cars" is still a banger. It's older than @Casino_Royale, but it fills the space. It's the only hit he had in America. I keep wishing ToddInTheShadows would do him as a OneHitWonder, but he refuses.

    For reviews of his entire goddamn career, please see
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,978
    My favourite Gary Numan song is probably Music For Chameleons, the one Steve Coogan used to take the mickey out of with his Alan Partridge character.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,310
    edited June 28

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    If you support one side in a war then you ipso facto support the death of enemy soldiers. I for one would like more Russian soldiers to die and do not see why I should not be able to express that opinion in public.

    "Death to the IDF" to me falls under freedom of speech.

    In any case, have we forgotten that pop singers are supposed to be provocative?
    So the people at Glastonbury support Hamas?

    Good to know.
    Maybe they just don't support the way in which the IDF is waging the war.

    Hamas is the only game in town, how else are Gazans supposed to defend themselves?
    If you'd been paying attention you'd know that Hamas started the war and took a load of hostages.
    Indeed they did. But when opposing an unjustified attack you are not supposed to commit war crimes yourself. The actions of Hamas on 6 Oct are not justifications for the excessive actions of the IDF today.
    Jonny Mao
    @JonnyMao__
    Netanyahu has just stated that Glastonbury is days away from enriching uranium sufficient to build a nuclear bomb.
    Glastonbury is certainly about enriching…





    the Eavis family.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,265
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    If anybody wants to see the general wondrousness that is Gary Numan's set at Glastonbury, it's here

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002fctd/glastonbury-gary-numan

    For some reason they only gave him one hour, but you take what you can get.

    We aren't talking about Gary Numan. We really should be talking more about Gary Numan. So let's do that. I know all or most of the words to Metal, M.E., Pure, Cars, Down in the Park, My Name Is Ruin, and AFE. But my windows are open because it's hot. So when there is singing along to the lyrics, headbanging and twisty hand gestures whilst tapping the laptop at chez Viewcode, I have to do it really quietly.

    I would have swapped out "Nothing's What It Seems" and "Haunted" and replaced them with "Intruder". Or "Dominion Day". Or "We Are Glass". Or "I Die: You Die". Or "This Wreckage" (the reworked version). Or "Crazier". Or "When the World Comes Apart"... but I detain you.

    Fuck me, but "Cars" is still a banger. It's older than @Casino_Royale, but it fills the space. It's the only hit he had in America. I keep wishing ToddInTheShadows would do him as a OneHitWonder, but he refuses.

    For reviews of his entire goddamn career, please see
    Very happy to talk Numan - but once Neil has finished his set. Needle and the Damge Done in a cheery singalomg... "Every junky's like a setting sun"
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,814
    Andy_JS said:

    When you think about it, it's funny how Larkins got selected for overseas tours in 1989/1990 and 1990/91 when he was pretty old for a test cricketer but didn't get selected for any home matches during that general period. You'd think it would be the other way round if anything, because in those days oversea tours were reckoned to be a lot harder to cope with. That probably isn't true so much now.

    My assumption was that they offered chances to everyone on the rebel tours. Not sure why, maybe there was some sort of unspoken agreement to offer something to make up expected lifetime earnings.

    Putting someone on a tour was easier than selecting for a home test when there was competition from people making big runs in the County Championship, back when it meant something and there were no central contracts.
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