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  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 323

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Going back a bit more ...

    Callaghan - Winter of Discontent
    Wilson - Devaluation
    Heath - Miners strike
    Eden - Suez
    MacMillan - Profumo

    All handled badly. And we already have the same verdict for Cameron, May, Blair, Truss, Sunak, Johnson.

    It shows how it's the norm for these Defining Episodes to be screwed up by the PM of the day. And therefore how (on this metric) Gordon Brown was exceptional.

    He was a great PM. An surprising conclusion (and perhaps unwelcome to many on here) but pretty much undeniable.

    Ted-the Common Market.

    When it came to miners strikes Ted was a rank amateur compared to Thatcher.

    Macmillan was defined by the "you've never had it so good" narrative.

    Devaluation was a seminal moment for Harold but I don't believe it defined him.
    Yes, Wilson is a difficult one. His resignation was unusual in being a purely personal decision.
    I think Harold is probably my favourite post war Prime Minister. I researched the devaluation crisis a while ago, and the big regret was they didn't go much earlier.

    Harold handled his Eurosceptics beautifully. Cameron could have learned lessons from him.
    Actually it was Wilson who created the precedent for holding a referendum to solve an issue inside your own party. He got away with it but it was a bad example to set for prime ministerial behaviour. What Cameron should have understood was that many of the people who he needed to back him in the vote were the exact same people who thought they'd seen the same script before from Wilson and were misled by it (renegotiating Heath's terms etc).
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,453
    Does anyone else love Elton’s Honky Chateau?

    I’ve been blaring it out in Marlborough

    Honky Cat - https://youtu.be/iPicSRPwogI
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,758

    OT the temperature has increased by 2 degrees here in the last couple of hours.

    27.3 degrees in my living room with one of those upright fan things ON!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,087

    Watching “patchwork’ at Glasto. Astonishing how white the audience is. Honestly don’t think I’ve seen any non whites as the camera pans.

    Rich non-white people have a better taste in music....

    Thinks about TSE, oh no wait.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,263
    Raye is wonderful.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,814
    Cookie said:

    Pagan2 said:

    I think the King's "dear oh dear" comment summed up Liz Truss' brief premiership succinctly.

    HMQ on Boris's resignation – at least I won't have that idiot organising my funeral.
    Careful what you wish for - she got Truss.
    To her credit Truss got the measure of the Queen's passing absolutely right. It all went tits up after HMQ was laid to rest.

    Johnson would have been a national embarrassment. He would have humiliated Her Majesty, and she knew it.
    assuming hmq was on her back being laid to rest it was bound to be tits up
    You can't say that about the bloomin' Queen!
    I'm quite pleased you still describe QE2 as "the queen". That's my view. All other queens are queen something: Queen Camilla, the queen of The Netherlands, etc. But if we are talking about THE queen, we know who we mean.
    Surely she is "the late Queen". Cam is now "the Queen".
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,978

    kinabalu said:

    Yes, defining episode is different to legacy.

    Other than Thatcher (the death of the post war consensus) and Cameron ( the Brexit vote) I suspect legacies are pretty thin on the ground. Perhaps you can carve a legacy out of Maastricht for Major and that no one again trusted politicians after Johnson.
    I tend to think in terms of "Least bad" rather than "Best" these days. It's much easier. I was just thinking the other day "Was T.May the least bad PM of my lifetime?".

    Deadlock in parliament, funked some big decisions, etc. But didn't actually drive us off a cliff or take us into a pointless war.

    Possibly my expectations have just become that low. Bit of a toss-up between her and Major I think.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,437
    edited June 28
    Cookie said:

    Brandi Carlile was outstanding.

    Hadn't realised Gary Numan had never played Galstonbury until today. Sounded great. His two guitarists were cool - looked like "what two White Walkers did on our holidays".

    I like autistic pop stars (see also: David Byrne, I think). A friend of mine has an autistic son who is REALLY, REALLY into music, and is a talented musician: the success of such people - because of, rather tham despite - their autism cheers me, not least because it gives me hope for his future.
    The runner-up in Today's tennis final, Jenson Brooksby, is autistic and was non-verbal until age 4.

    He's also named for Jenson Button, which makes me feel damn old.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,758

    Cookie said:

    Pagan2 said:

    I think the King's "dear oh dear" comment summed up Liz Truss' brief premiership succinctly.

    HMQ on Boris's resignation – at least I won't have that idiot organising my funeral.
    Careful what you wish for - she got Truss.
    To her credit Truss got the measure of the Queen's passing absolutely right. It all went tits up after HMQ was laid to rest.

    Johnson would have been a national embarrassment. He would have humiliated Her Majesty, and she knew it.
    assuming hmq was on her back being laid to rest it was bound to be tits up
    You can't say that about the bloomin' Queen!
    I'm quite pleased you still describe QE2 as "the queen". That's my view. All other queens are queen something: Queen Camilla, the queen of The Netherlands, etc. But if we are talking about THE queen, we know who we mean.
    Surely she is "the late Queen". Cam is now "the Queen".
    The Hag? :innocent:
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,041
    for whats its worth and I doubt its worth much...my theory about my death

    It doesn't matter how I died

    What matters is the good things I did while I was here and how people remember them, its all that matters and I hope when I go there will be many remembering the things I did to help and make there life better. Have I done bad things of course and I will answer for them but on the whole despite what people may think here I think I left the world a better place than it was when I joined it and that is all anyone can do
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,978
    viewcode said:
    Some echoes I've heard from lecturers in higher education here.

    I'm sure it's for the best in some way.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,294

    Does anyone else love Elton’s Honky Chateau?

    I’ve been blaring it out in Marlborough

    Honky Cat - https://youtu.be/iPicSRPwogI

    Yes. Terrific track. Love early Elton John.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,777

    OT the temperature has increased by 2 degrees here in the last couple of hours.

    Global warming?
    Six months ago we were freezing our backsides off and now the temperature is 30 degrees higher. Climate change really is accelerating.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,460

    Brandi Carlile was outstanding.

    Hadn't realised Gary Numan had never played Galstonbury until today. Sounded great. His two guitarists were cool - looked like "what two White Walkers did on our holidays".

    I hadn't realized you were a lesbian.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,263

    isam said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    pm215 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    I think the King's "dear oh dear" comment summed up Liz Truss' brief premiership succinctly.

    HMQ on Boris's resignation – at least I won't have that idiot organising my funeral.
    Doesn't everyone arrange there own funeral I know I have
    I might change my mind on this in twenty years time, but personally I think funerals are for the living, so I'd only do something if it was a "make life easier for whoever it is that has to deal with it" action.
    I'd quite like "funeral pyre on a windswept hillside" but since some Hindus injudiciously brought a court case trying to force their council to provide one, it has been ruled illegal.
    I don't mind what they do for my funeral - I might leave a selected playlist but only as a suggestion, they can remember me how they want - but assuming I die when my lot are still healthy, I'd quite like them to haul my charred remains up Arnside Knott one last time one bleak November afternoon and leave me there.
    a playlist is a good idea, it gives you a last chance to leave a message....no steps or s club 7 for me anyway
    I’ve got one!



    All a bit gloomy to be honest. I think it might be nicer for the kids if the songs were slightly cheerier.

    Til I Die & Country would probably suffice
    Crossing the bar for me

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossing_the_Bar
    I'm a Little Dinosaur (and I'm Planning to go Away).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNprABtBdqA&ab_channel=JonathanRichman-Topic
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,018
    Pagan2 said:

    @mattw may i dm you?

    Of course.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,758
    Taz said:

    Does anyone else love Elton’s Honky Chateau?

    I’ve been blaring it out in Marlborough

    Honky Cat - https://youtu.be/iPicSRPwogI

    Yes. Terrific track. Love early Elton John.
    I liked the Nikita video.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,437

    Cookie said:

    Pagan2 said:

    I think the King's "dear oh dear" comment summed up Liz Truss' brief premiership succinctly.

    HMQ on Boris's resignation – at least I won't have that idiot organising my funeral.
    Careful what you wish for - she got Truss.
    To her credit Truss got the measure of the Queen's passing absolutely right. It all went tits up after HMQ was laid to rest.

    Johnson would have been a national embarrassment. He would have humiliated Her Majesty, and she knew it.
    assuming hmq was on her back being laid to rest it was bound to be tits up
    You can't say that about the bloomin' Queen!
    I'm quite pleased you still describe QE2 as "the queen". That's my view. All other queens are queen something: Queen Camilla, the queen of The Netherlands, etc. But if we are talking about THE queen, we know who we mean.
    Surely she is "the late Queen". Cam is now "the Queen".
    Technically yes. But who pops to mind when someone says "The Queen"? I'd be surprised if for anyone on here it is anyone other than QE2. And rightly so.
    She was arguably the most famous person in the world. I'd be surprised if there was anyone in the world who had met more people. Whatever you think of the monarchy, she was a singular individual.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,651
    ...
    Cookie said:

    Pagan2 said:

    I think the King's "dear oh dear" comment summed up Liz Truss' brief premiership succinctly.

    HMQ on Boris's resignation – at least I won't have that idiot organising my funeral.
    Careful what you wish for - she got Truss.
    To her credit Truss got the measure of the Queen's passing absolutely right. It all went tits up after HMQ was laid to rest.

    Johnson would have been a national embarrassment. He would have humiliated Her Majesty, and she knew it.
    assuming hmq was on her back being laid to rest it was bound to be tits up
    You can't say that about the bloomin' Queen!
    I'm quite pleased you still describe QE2 as "the queen". That's my view. All other queens are queen something: Queen Camilla, the queen of The Netherlands, etc. But if we are talking about THE queen, we know who we mean.
    There's only one bloody Queen and the name is neither Camilla nor Elton.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,758
    Cookie said:

    Cookie said:

    Pagan2 said:

    I think the King's "dear oh dear" comment summed up Liz Truss' brief premiership succinctly.

    HMQ on Boris's resignation – at least I won't have that idiot organising my funeral.
    Careful what you wish for - she got Truss.
    To her credit Truss got the measure of the Queen's passing absolutely right. It all went tits up after HMQ was laid to rest.

    Johnson would have been a national embarrassment. He would have humiliated Her Majesty, and she knew it.
    assuming hmq was on her back being laid to rest it was bound to be tits up
    You can't say that about the bloomin' Queen!
    I'm quite pleased you still describe QE2 as "the queen". That's my view. All other queens are queen something: Queen Camilla, the queen of The Netherlands, etc. But if we are talking about THE queen, we know who we mean.
    Surely she is "the late Queen". Cam is now "the Queen".
    Technically yes. But who pops to mind when someone says "The Queen"?
    The late Freddie Mercury and co.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,460
    Just rejoice at this news:

    Illegal e-bikes and scooters seized in Sheffield city centre - BBC News https://share.google/WwCMvuJOxbVwRJ1Ji
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,651

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Going back a bit more ...

    Callaghan - Winter of Discontent
    Wilson - Devaluation
    Heath - Miners strike
    Eden - Suez
    MacMillan - Profumo

    All handled badly. And we already have the same verdict for Cameron, May, Blair, Truss, Sunak, Johnson.

    It shows how it's the norm for these Defining Episodes to be screwed up by the PM of the day. And therefore how (on this metric) Gordon Brown was exceptional.

    He was a great PM. An surprising conclusion (and perhaps unwelcome to many on here) but pretty much undeniable.

    Ted-the Common Market.

    When it came to miners strikes Ted was a rank amateur compared to Thatcher.

    Macmillan was defined by the "you've never had it so good" narrative.

    Devaluation was a seminal moment for Harold but I don't believe it defined him.
    Yes, Wilson is a difficult one. His resignation was unusual in being a purely personal decision.
    I think Harold is probably my favourite post war Prime Minister. I researched the devaluation crisis a while ago, and the big regret was they didn't go much earlier.

    Harold handled his Eurosceptics beautifully. Cameron could have learned lessons from him.
    Actually it was Wilson who created the precedent for holding a referendum to solve an issue inside your own party. He got away with it but it was a bad example to set for prime ministerial behaviour. What Cameron should have understood was that many of the people who he needed to back him in the vote were the exact same people who thought they'd seen the same script before from Wilson and were misled by it (renegotiating Heath's terms etc).
    Harold read the room, Cameron didn't. They were both surrounded by back stabbers but Harold knew who were wielding the knives. I don't believe Cameron saw the knives.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,263
    Taz said:

    Does anyone else love Elton’s Honky Chateau?

    I’ve been blaring it out in Marlborough

    Honky Cat - https://youtu.be/iPicSRPwogI

    Yes. Terrific track. Love early Elton John.
    Yes - but I may be alone in also loving Rock of the Westies.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,294
    Pagan2 said:

    for whats its worth and I doubt its worth much...my theory about my death

    It doesn't matter how I died

    What matters is the good things I did while I was here and how people remember them, its all that matters and I hope when I go there will be many remembering the things I did to help and make there life better. Have I done bad things of course and I will answer for them but on the whole despite what people may think here I think I left the world a better place than it was when I joined it and that is all anyone can do

    The living are just the dead on holiday.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,845

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Going back a bit more ...

    Callaghan - Winter of Discontent
    Wilson - Devaluation
    Heath - Miners strike
    Eden - Suez
    MacMillan - Profumo

    All handled badly. And we already have the same verdict for Cameron, May, Blair, Truss, Sunak, Johnson.

    It shows how it's the norm for these Defining Episodes to be screwed up by the PM of the day. And therefore how (on this metric) Gordon Brown was exceptional.

    He was a great PM. An surprising conclusion (and perhaps unwelcome to many on here) but pretty much undeniable.

    Ted-the Common Market.

    When it came to miners strikes Ted was a rank amateur compared to Thatcher.

    Macmillan was defined by the "you've never had it so good" narrative.

    Devaluation was a seminal moment for Harold but I don't believe it defined him.
    Yes, Wilson is a difficult one. His resignation was unusual in being a purely personal decision.
    I think Harold is probably my favourite post war Prime Minister. I researched the devaluation crisis a while ago, and the big regret was they didn't go much earlier.

    Harold handled his Eurosceptics beautifully. Cameron could have learned lessons from him.
    The cleverest person ever to inhabit number ten. I think this is generally acknowledged. And just a touch of the populist there too with his pipe and simple folksy manner and holidays in the Scillies.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,263
    rcs1000 said:

    Brandi Carlile was outstanding.

    Hadn't realised Gary Numan had never played Galstonbury until today. Sounded great. His two guitarists were cool - looked like "what two White Walkers did on our holidays".

    I hadn't realized you were a lesbian.
    I just love women. I must be then.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,294
    rcs1000 said:

    Just rejoice at this news:

    Illegal e-bikes and scooters seized in Sheffield city centre - BBC News https://share.google/WwCMvuJOxbVwRJ1Ji

    I’ll rejoice when they’re crushed.

    The bikes, not the riders.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,294

    Taz said:

    Does anyone else love Elton’s Honky Chateau?

    I’ve been blaring it out in Marlborough

    Honky Cat - https://youtu.be/iPicSRPwogI

    Yes. Terrific track. Love early Elton John.
    I liked the Nikita video.
    Which featured his beloved Watford Soccer team.

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,263
    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just rejoice at this news:

    Illegal e-bikes and scooters seized in Sheffield city centre - BBC News https://share.google/WwCMvuJOxbVwRJ1Ji

    I’ll rejoice when they’re crushed.

    The bikes, not the riders.
    Although...
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,041
    Taz said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just rejoice at this news:

    Illegal e-bikes and scooters seized in Sheffield city centre - BBC News https://share.google/WwCMvuJOxbVwRJ1Ji

    I’ll rejoice when they’re crushed.

    The bikes, not the riders.
    Crushing the riders probably gives a lower recidivism rate
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,453
    SKS would definitely fail this vanilla human test

    His social media accounts look like pure chatgpt
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,437
    isam said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    pm215 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    I think the King's "dear oh dear" comment summed up Liz Truss' brief premiership succinctly.

    HMQ on Boris's resignation – at least I won't have that idiot organising my funeral.
    Doesn't everyone arrange there own funeral I know I have
    I might change my mind on this in twenty years time, but personally I think funerals are for the living, so I'd only do something if it was a "make life easier for whoever it is that has to deal with it" action.
    I'd quite like "funeral pyre on a windswept hillside" but since some Hindus injudiciously brought a court case trying to force their council to provide one, it has been ruled illegal.
    I don't mind what they do for my funeral - I might leave a selected playlist but only as a suggestion, they can remember me how they want - but assuming I die when my lot are still healthy, I'd quite like them to haul my charred remains up Arnside Knott one last time one bleak November afternoon and leave me there.
    a playlist is a good idea, it gives you a last chance to leave a message....no steps or s club 7 for me anyway
    I’ve got one!



    All a bit gloomy to be honest. I think it might be nicer for the kids if the songs were slightly cheerier.

    Til I Die & Country would probably suffice
    Not that gloomy, IMO. I find a lot of the Smiths pretty uplifting. Particularly TIALTNGO. That will be a proper singalong which will leave people happier than they were before.

    I quite like the concept of singing at funerals. In one of the Tiffany Aching books by Terry Pratchett, Nanny Ogg leads a singalong of a well-chosen song at a funeral. And there is somethingm magical about communal singing. I recently saw a clip from an aquaintance's mother's funeral in which the assembled family all sang "Delilah". In all honesty, I can't think of a better and more uplifting send off than a rousing chorus of TIALTNGO.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,408
    edited June 28

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Going back a bit more ...

    Callaghan - Winter of Discontent
    Wilson - Devaluation
    Heath - Miners strike
    Eden - Suez
    MacMillan - Profumo

    All handled badly. And we already have the same verdict for Cameron, May, Blair, Truss, Sunak, Johnson.

    It shows how it's the norm for these Defining Episodes to be screwed up by the PM of the day. And therefore how (on this metric) Gordon Brown was exceptional.

    He was a great PM. An surprising conclusion (and perhaps unwelcome to many on here) but pretty much undeniable.

    Ted-the Common Market.

    When it came to miners strikes Ted was a rank amateur compared to Thatcher.

    Macmillan was defined by the "you've never had it so good" narrative.

    Devaluation was a seminal moment for Harold but I don't believe it defined him.
    Yes, Wilson is a difficult one. His resignation was unusual in being a purely personal decision.
    I think Harold is probably my favourite post war Prime Minister. I researched the devaluation crisis a while ago, and the big regret was they didn't go much earlier.

    Harold handled his Eurosceptics beautifully. Cameron could have learned lessons from him.
    Actually it was Wilson who created the precedent for holding a referendum to solve an issue inside your own party. He got away with it but it was a bad example to set for prime ministerial behaviour. What Cameron should have understood was that many of the people who he needed to back him in the vote were the exact same people who thought they'd seen the same script before from Wilson and were misled by it (renegotiating Heath's terms etc).
    Harold read the room, Cameron didn't. They were both surrounded by back stabbers but Harold knew who were wielding the knives. I don't believe Cameron saw the knives.
    You don't call a referendum you aren't going to win.

    Now Cameron had two issues

    1) the referendum was supposed to disappear when he needed another coalition with the Lib Dems.
    2) he was expecting Labour to have a pro EU leader who campaigned with him and ended up with Corbyn.

    But that still doesn't cover the fact he didn't read the room - he should have negotiated after the referendum and then offered a second one with the options of - this is what our relationship will look like or we fully leave. FYI even after a late of research I don't know what the relationship Cameron negotiated with the EU, the only thing I know is that it wasn't what we had in 2010-15 which gave Leave even more ammunition..
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,078
    @Georgia_Edkins

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  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,041
    Cookie said:

    isam said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    pm215 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    I think the King's "dear oh dear" comment summed up Liz Truss' brief premiership succinctly.

    HMQ on Boris's resignation – at least I won't have that idiot organising my funeral.
    Doesn't everyone arrange there own funeral I know I have
    I might change my mind on this in twenty years time, but personally I think funerals are for the living, so I'd only do something if it was a "make life easier for whoever it is that has to deal with it" action.
    I'd quite like "funeral pyre on a windswept hillside" but since some Hindus injudiciously brought a court case trying to force their council to provide one, it has been ruled illegal.
    I don't mind what they do for my funeral - I might leave a selected playlist but only as a suggestion, they can remember me how they want - but assuming I die when my lot are still healthy, I'd quite like them to haul my charred remains up Arnside Knott one last time one bleak November afternoon and leave me there.
    a playlist is a good idea, it gives you a last chance to leave a message....no steps or s club 7 for me anyway
    I’ve got one!



    All a bit gloomy to be honest. I think it might be nicer for the kids if the songs were slightly cheerier.

    Til I Die & Country would probably suffice
    Not that gloomy, IMO. I find a lot of the Smiths pretty uplifting. Particularly TIALTNGO. That will be a proper singalong which will leave people happier than they were before.

    I quite like the concept of singing at funerals. In one of the Tiffany Aching books by Terry Pratchett, Nanny Ogg leads a singalong of a well-chosen song at a funeral. And there is somethingm magical about communal singing. I recently saw a clip from an aquaintance's mother's funeral in which the assembled family all sang "Delilah". In all honesty, I can't think of a better and more uplifting send off than a rousing chorus of TIALTNGO.
    Isn't delialah a song about sexual abuse?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,109
    edited June 28
    rcs1000 said:

    Just rejoice at this news:

    Illegal e-bikes and scooters seized in Sheffield city centre - BBC News https://share.google/WwCMvuJOxbVwRJ1Ji

    The e-motorcycle crackdown is welcome.

    But the blanket ban on e-scooters is to my mind a gross failure of regulation and flexibility. They are undoubtedly a brilliant, cost and energy-efficient way for people to whizz around our cities and towns, particularly given 25% of all journeys are less than a mile (70% less than 5). They don't take up much parking space, don't smash the roads to pieces and so on.

    We need a new RTA and revision to the Highway Code to anticipate the scooter revolution.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,408
    edited June 28
    Cookie said:

    isam said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    pm215 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    I think the King's "dear oh dear" comment summed up Liz Truss' brief premiership succinctly.

    HMQ on Boris's resignation – at least I won't have that idiot organising my funeral.
    Doesn't everyone arrange there own funeral I know I have
    I might change my mind on this in twenty years time, but personally I think funerals are for the living, so I'd only do something if it was a "make life easier for whoever it is that has to deal with it" action.
    I'd quite like "funeral pyre on a windswept hillside" but since some Hindus injudiciously brought a court case trying to force their council to provide one, it has been ruled illegal.
    I don't mind what they do for my funeral - I might leave a selected playlist but only as a suggestion, they can remember me how they want - but assuming I die when my lot are still healthy, I'd quite like them to haul my charred remains up Arnside Knott one last time one bleak November afternoon and leave me there.
    a playlist is a good idea, it gives you a last chance to leave a message....no steps or s club 7 for me anyway
    I’ve got one!



    All a bit gloomy to be honest. I think it might be nicer for the kids if the songs were slightly cheerier.

    Til I Die & Country would probably suffice
    Not that gloomy, IMO. I find a lot of the Smiths pretty uplifting. Particularly TIALTNGO. That will be a proper singalong which will leave people happier than they were before.

    I quite like the concept of singing at funerals. In one of the Tiffany Aching books by Terry Pratchett, Nanny Ogg leads a singalong of a well-chosen song at a funeral. And there is somethingm magical about communal singing. I recently saw a clip from an aquaintance's mother's funeral in which the assembled family all sang "Delilah". In all honesty, I can't think of a better and more uplifting send off than a rousing chorus of TIALTNGO.
    A singalong has to be better than a hymn for which only 3 people know the words - at least one of whom won't be able to hit a note accurately...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,651
    edited June 28
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Going back a bit more ...

    Callaghan - Winter of Discontent
    Wilson - Devaluation
    Heath - Miners strike
    Eden - Suez
    MacMillan - Profumo

    All handled badly. And we already have the same verdict for Cameron, May, Blair, Truss, Sunak, Johnson.

    It shows how it's the norm for these Defining Episodes to be screwed up by the PM of the day. And therefore how (on this metric) Gordon Brown was exceptional.

    He was a great PM. An surprising conclusion (and perhaps unwelcome to many on here) but pretty much undeniable.

    Ted-the Common Market.

    When it came to miners strikes Ted was a rank amateur compared to Thatcher.

    Macmillan was defined by the "you've never had it so good" narrative.

    Devaluation was a seminal moment for Harold but I don't believe it defined him.
    Yes, Wilson is a difficult one. His resignation was unusual in being a purely personal decision.
    I think Harold is probably my favourite post war Prime Minister. I researched the devaluation crisis a while ago, and the big regret was they didn't go much earlier.

    Harold handled his Eurosceptics beautifully. Cameron could have learned lessons from him.
    The cleverest person ever to inhabit number ten. I think this is generally acknowledged. And just a touch of the populist there too with his pipe and simple folksy manner and holidays in the Scillies.
    In the mid 1980s I used to call at an office on the corner of Wimpole Street and Queen Anne Street. The office address was Queen Anne Street but the entrance was in Wimpole Street, I digress. Anyway on the third floor was a charity called Cerebral Palsy Overseas. Harold was a Trustee. I got chatting to the fellow that ran it, when we came to discussing Wilson he said in a half whisper " he's still giving her one you know".

    Maybe the alleged affair was his seminal story.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,511

    rcs1000 said:

    Brandi Carlile was outstanding.

    Hadn't realised Gary Numan had never played Galstonbury until today. Sounded great. His two guitarists were cool - looked like "what two White Walkers did on our holidays".

    I hadn't realized you were a lesbian.
    I just love women. I must be then.
    Inside every straight man there's a lesbian wanting to get out and outside every lesbian there's a straight man wanting to get in.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,087
    Phone thefts in London have hit a record high with a shocking 37 people having their mobile stolen every day in the capital's West End alone.

    New data has revealed that almost 231,000 phone thefts and robberies were recorded over the past four years in the capital, a threefold increase.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,041
    eek said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    pm215 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    I think the King's "dear oh dear" comment summed up Liz Truss' brief premiership succinctly.

    HMQ on Boris's resignation – at least I won't have that idiot organising my funeral.
    Doesn't everyone arrange there own funeral I know I have
    I might change my mind on this in twenty years time, but personally I think funerals are for the living, so I'd only do something if it was a "make life easier for whoever it is that has to deal with it" action.
    I'd quite like "funeral pyre on a windswept hillside" but since some Hindus injudiciously brought a court case trying to force their council to provide one, it has been ruled illegal.
    I don't mind what they do for my funeral - I might leave a selected playlist but only as a suggestion, they can remember me how they want - but assuming I die when my lot are still healthy, I'd quite like them to haul my charred remains up Arnside Knott one last time one bleak November afternoon and leave me there.
    a playlist is a good idea, it gives you a last chance to leave a message....no steps or s club 7 for me anyway
    I’ve got one!



    All a bit gloomy to be honest. I think it might be nicer for the kids if the songs were slightly cheerier.

    Til I Die & Country would probably suffice
    Not that gloomy, IMO. I find a lot of the Smiths pretty uplifting. Particularly TIALTNGO. That will be a proper singalong which will leave people happier than they were before.

    I quite like the concept of singing at funerals. In one of the Tiffany Aching books by Terry Pratchett, Nanny Ogg leads a singalong of a well-chosen song at a funeral. And there is somethingm magical about communal singing. I recently saw a clip from an aquaintance's mother's funeral in which the assembled family all sang "Delilah". In all honesty, I can't think of a better and more uplifting send off than a rousing chorus of TIALTNGO.
    A singalong has to be better than a hymn for which only 3 people know the words - at least one of whom won't be able to hit a note accurately...
    Most know the alternative words....

    I remember carol services at school that consisted of

    Hark the jelly babies sing

    Oh come lets kick the door down

    etc
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,413
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Going back a bit more ...

    Callaghan - Winter of Discontent
    Wilson - Devaluation
    Heath - Miners strike
    Eden - Suez
    MacMillan - Profumo

    All handled badly. And we already have the same verdict for Cameron, May, Blair, Truss, Sunak, Johnson.

    It shows how it's the norm for these Defining Episodes to be screwed up by the PM of the day. And therefore how (on this metric) Gordon Brown was exceptional.

    He was a great PM. An surprising conclusion (and perhaps unwelcome to many on here) but pretty much undeniable.

    Ted-the Common Market.

    When it came to miners strikes Ted was a rank amateur compared to Thatcher.

    Macmillan was defined by the "you've never had it so good" narrative.

    Devaluation was a seminal moment for Harold but I don't believe it defined him.
    Yes, Wilson is a difficult one. His resignation was unusual in being a purely personal decision.
    I think Harold is probably my favourite post war Prime Minister. I researched the devaluation crisis a while ago, and the big regret was they didn't go much earlier.

    Harold handled his Eurosceptics beautifully. Cameron could have learned lessons from him.
    The cleverest person ever to inhabit number ten. I think this is generally acknowledged. And just a touch of the populist there too with his pipe and simple folksy manner and holidays in the Scillies.
    He may have been clever, but he didn’t achieve anything of substance.

    Macmillan oversaw decolonialism, and Heath got Britain into the EU.

    Wilson just had his “white heat” speech and spent his time trying to avoid devaluation - and failing.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,758

    rcs1000 said:

    Brandi Carlile was outstanding.

    Hadn't realised Gary Numan had never played Galstonbury until today. Sounded great. His two guitarists were cool - looked like "what two White Walkers did on our holidays".

    I hadn't realized you were a lesbian.
    I just love women. I must be then.
    Inside every straight man there's a lesbian wanting to get out and outside every lesbian there's a straight man wanting to get in.
    "I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body." - E. Izzard.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,310

    Phone thefts in London have hit a record high with a shocking 37 people having their mobile stolen every day in the capital's West End alone.

    New data has revealed that almost 231,000 phone thefts and robberies were recorded over the past four years in the capital, a threefold increase.

    So I’m a thick hick in the sticks, where we don’t have phone theft. Where do all the stolen ones go? Where do you buy one?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,087
    edited June 28
    I think there is a lafer curve for intelligence vs being able to lead / get shit done.

    During both my academic career and gambling "career", I have met lots of insanely intelligent people. In their own ways very very successful.

    Would I put them in charge of running a country, absolutely not, running a bath, I would have to think carefully on that.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,041
    think the first started as from memory

    Hark the jelly babies sing
    Beechams pills are just the thing
    They are gentle meek and mild
    2 for a man and one for a child
    if you want to goto heaven you must take a dose of 7
    If you want to goto hell take the fucking box as well
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,078
    @elonmusk

    The latest Senate draft bill will destroy millions of jobs in America and cause immense strategic harm to our country!

    Utterly insane and destructive. It gives handouts to industries of the past while severely damaging industries of the future.

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1939051424995786839
  • isamisam Posts: 42,082
    edited June 28
    Cookie said:

    isam said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    pm215 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    I think the King's "dear oh dear" comment summed up Liz Truss' brief premiership succinctly.

    HMQ on Boris's resignation – at least I won't have that idiot organising my funeral.
    Doesn't everyone arrange there own funeral I know I have
    I might change my mind on this in twenty years time, but personally I think funerals are for the living, so I'd only do something if it was a "make life easier for whoever it is that has to deal with it" action.
    I'd quite like "funeral pyre on a windswept hillside" but since some Hindus injudiciously brought a court case trying to force their council to provide one, it has been ruled illegal.
    I don't mind what they do for my funeral - I might leave a selected playlist but only as a suggestion, they can remember me how they want - but assuming I die when my lot are still healthy, I'd quite like them to haul my charred remains up Arnside Knott one last time one bleak November afternoon and leave me there.
    a playlist is a good idea, it gives you a last chance to leave a message....no steps or s club 7 for me anyway
    I’ve got one!



    All a bit gloomy to be honest. I think it might be nicer for the kids if the songs were slightly cheerier.

    Til I Die & Country would probably suffice
    Not that gloomy, IMO. I find a lot of the Smiths pretty uplifting. Particularly TIALTNGO. That will be a proper singalong which will leave people happier than they were before.

    I quite like the concept of singing at funerals. In one of the Tiffany Aching books by Terry Pratchett, Nanny Ogg leads a singalong of a well-chosen song at a funeral. And there is somethingm magical about communal singing. I recently saw a clip from an aquaintance's mother's funeral in which the assembled family all sang "Delilah". In all honesty, I can't think of a better and more uplifting send off than a rousing chorus of TIALTNGO.
    My 5yo son asked me what my favourite song was the other day and I said ‘There is a Light…’. When he asked why I said because it was about loving someone so much that you’d be happy to be with them despite everything going wrong. I kind of regret choosing it because it could be framed as an unhappy song about dying, but to me it is uplifting

    His is ‘Steve’s Lava chicken’ by Jack Black. A catchy number I must say
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,087
    edited June 28

    Phone thefts in London have hit a record high with a shocking 37 people having their mobile stolen every day in the capital's West End alone.

    New data has revealed that almost 231,000 phone thefts and robberies were recorded over the past four years in the capital, a threefold increase.

    So I’m a thick hick in the sticks, where we don’t have phone theft. Where do all the stolen ones go? Where do you buy one?
    CHHHHHHIINNNNAAA.

    The go to a combination of China mostly for parts (and some resale) or to Africa for resale.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,310

    Phone thefts in London have hit a record high with a shocking 37 people having their mobile stolen every day in the capital's West End alone.

    New data has revealed that almost 231,000 phone thefts and robberies were recorded over the past four years in the capital, a threefold increase.

    So I’m a thick hick in the sticks, where we don’t have phone theft. Where do all the stolen ones go? Where do you buy one?
    CHHHHHHIINNNNAAA.
    For real? They get sold to China?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,020
    If anybody wants to see the general wondrousness that is Gary Numan's set at Glastonbury, it's here

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m002fctd/glastonbury-gary-numan

    For some reason they only gave him one hour, but you take what you can get.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,651

    Phone thefts in London have hit a record high with a shocking 37 people having their mobile stolen every day in the capital's West End alone.

    New data has revealed that almost 231,000 phone thefts and robberies were recorded over the past four years in the capital, a threefold increase.

    Have you been on the blower to Jenrick yet?

    He could make another of his very effective yet disingenuous campaign videos on phone theft.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,087

    rcs1000 said:

    Brandi Carlile was outstanding.

    Hadn't realised Gary Numan had never played Galstonbury until today. Sounded great. His two guitarists were cool - looked like "what two White Walkers did on our holidays".

    I hadn't realized you were a lesbian.
    I just love women. I must be then.
    Inside every straight man there's a lesbian wanting to get out and outside every lesbian there's a straight man wanting to get in.
    Do you have something to tell us?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,918
    AfD polling falling in Germany. Unpopularity of Trump?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,408

    OT the temperature has increased by 2 degrees here in the last couple of hours.

    27.3 degrees in my living room with one of those upright fan things ON!
    You know fans don't change air temperature, right?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,087
    edited June 28

    Phone thefts in London have hit a record high with a shocking 37 people having their mobile stolen every day in the capital's West End alone.

    New data has revealed that almost 231,000 phone thefts and robberies were recorded over the past four years in the capital, a threefold increase.

    So I’m a thick hick in the sticks, where we don’t have phone theft. Where do all the stolen ones go? Where do you buy one?
    CHHHHHHIINNNNAAA.
    For real? They get sold to China?
    Yes for real. They get shipped to China.

    Thieves snatched his phone in London - it was in China a month later
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3rdy132q3lo
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,041
    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    pm215 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    I think the King's "dear oh dear" comment summed up Liz Truss' brief premiership succinctly.

    HMQ on Boris's resignation – at least I won't have that idiot organising my funeral.
    Doesn't everyone arrange there own funeral I know I have
    I might change my mind on this in twenty years time, but personally I think funerals are for the living, so I'd only do something if it was a "make life easier for whoever it is that has to deal with it" action.
    I'd quite like "funeral pyre on a windswept hillside" but since some Hindus injudiciously brought a court case trying to force their council to provide one, it has been ruled illegal.
    I don't mind what they do for my funeral - I might leave a selected playlist but only as a suggestion, they can remember me how they want - but assuming I die when my lot are still healthy, I'd quite like them to haul my charred remains up Arnside Knott one last time one bleak November afternoon and leave me there.
    a playlist is a good idea, it gives you a last chance to leave a message....no steps or s club 7 for me anyway
    I’ve got one!



    All a bit gloomy to be honest. I think it might be nicer for the kids if the songs were slightly cheerier.

    Til I Die & Country would probably suffice
    Not that gloomy, IMO. I find a lot of the Smiths pretty uplifting. Particularly TIALTNGO. That will be a proper singalong which will leave people happier than they were before.

    I quite like the concept of singing at funerals. In one of the Tiffany Aching books by Terry Pratchett, Nanny Ogg leads a singalong of a well-chosen song at a funeral. And there is somethingm magical about communal singing. I recently saw a clip from an aquaintance's mother's funeral in which the assembled family all sang "Delilah". In all honesty, I can't think of a better and more uplifting send off than a rousing chorus of TIALTNGO.
    My 5yo son asked me what my favourite song was the other day and I said ‘There is a Light…’. When he asked why I said because it was about loving someone so much that you’d be happy to be with them despite everything going wrong. I kind of regret choosing it because it could be framed as an unhappy song about dying, but to me it is uplifting

    His is ‘Steve’s Lava chicken’ by Jack Black. A catchy number I must say
    You could equally say however this song is about being with someone you love when everything has gone wrong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsTwevb85rw
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,978
    isam said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    pm215 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    I think the King's "dear oh dear" comment summed up Liz Truss' brief premiership succinctly.

    HMQ on Boris's resignation – at least I won't have that idiot organising my funeral.
    Doesn't everyone arrange there own funeral I know I have
    I might change my mind on this in twenty years time, but personally I think funerals are for the living, so I'd only do something if it was a "make life easier for whoever it is that has to deal with it" action.
    I'd quite like "funeral pyre on a windswept hillside" but since some Hindus injudiciously brought a court case trying to force their council to provide one, it has been ruled illegal.
    I don't mind what they do for my funeral - I might leave a selected playlist but only as a suggestion, they can remember me how they want - but assuming I die when my lot are still healthy, I'd quite like them to haul my charred remains up Arnside Knott one last time one bleak November afternoon and leave me there.
    a playlist is a good idea, it gives you a last chance to leave a message....no steps or s club 7 for me anyway
    I’ve got one!



    All a bit gloomy to be honest. I think it might be nicer for the kids if the songs were slightly cheerier.

    Til I Die & Country would probably suffice
    Not that gloomy, IMO. I find a lot of the Smiths pretty uplifting. Particularly TIALTNGO. That will be a proper singalong which will leave people happier than they were before.

    I quite like the concept of singing at funerals. In one of the Tiffany Aching books by Terry Pratchett, Nanny Ogg leads a singalong of a well-chosen song at a funeral. And there is somethingm magical about communal singing. I recently saw a clip from an aquaintance's mother's funeral in which the assembled family all sang "Delilah". In all honesty, I can't think of a better and more uplifting send off than a rousing chorus of TIALTNGO.
    My 5yo son asked me what my favourite song was the other day and I said ‘There is a Light…’. When he asked why I said because it was about loving someone so much that you’d be happy to be with them despite everything going wrong. I kind of regret choosing it because it could be framed as an unhappy song about dying, but to me it is uplifting

    His is ‘Steve’s Lava chicken’ by Jack Black. A catchy number I must say
    My favourite song is probably Blue Monday by New Order.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,651

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Going back a bit more ...

    Callaghan - Winter of Discontent
    Wilson - Devaluation
    Heath - Miners strike
    Eden - Suez
    MacMillan - Profumo

    All handled badly. And we already have the same verdict for Cameron, May, Blair, Truss, Sunak, Johnson.

    It shows how it's the norm for these Defining Episodes to be screwed up by the PM of the day. And therefore how (on this metric) Gordon Brown was exceptional.

    He was a great PM. An surprising conclusion (and perhaps unwelcome to many on here) but pretty much undeniable.

    Ted-the Common Market.

    When it came to miners strikes Ted was a rank amateur compared to Thatcher.

    Macmillan was defined by the "you've never had it so good" narrative.

    Devaluation was a seminal moment for Harold but I don't believe it defined him.
    Yes, Wilson is a difficult one. His resignation was unusual in being a purely personal decision.
    I think Harold is probably my favourite post war Prime Minister. I researched the devaluation crisis a while ago, and the big regret was they didn't go much earlier.

    Harold handled his Eurosceptics beautifully. Cameron could have learned lessons from him.
    The cleverest person ever to inhabit number ten. I think this is generally acknowledged. And just a touch of the populist there too with his pipe and simple folksy manner and holidays in the Scillies.
    He may have been clever, but he didn’t achieve anything of substance.

    Macmillan oversaw decolonialism, and Heath got Britain into the EU.

    Wilson just had his “white heat” speech and spent his time trying to avoid devaluation - and failing.
    One of Wilson's greatest achievements was he kept his coalition of deplorables from Benn to Jenkins together. It all went to hell in a handcart for Labour after Wilson fell on his sword.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,087
    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,437

    rcs1000 said:

    Brandi Carlile was outstanding.

    Hadn't realised Gary Numan had never played Galstonbury until today. Sounded great. His two guitarists were cool - looked like "what two White Walkers did on our holidays".

    I hadn't realized you were a lesbian.
    I just love women. I must be then.
    Inside every straight man there's a lesbian wanting to get out and outside every lesbian there's a straight man wanting to get in.
    "I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body." - E. Izzard.
    He's not a lesbian trapped in a man's body, he's an attention-seeking pillock.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,408

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Going back a bit more ...

    Callaghan - Winter of Discontent
    Wilson - Devaluation
    Heath - Miners strike
    Eden - Suez
    MacMillan - Profumo

    All handled badly. And we already have the same verdict for Cameron, May, Blair, Truss, Sunak, Johnson.

    It shows how it's the norm for these Defining Episodes to be screwed up by the PM of the day. And therefore how (on this metric) Gordon Brown was exceptional.

    He was a great PM. An surprising conclusion (and perhaps unwelcome to many on here) but pretty much undeniable.

    Ted-the Common Market.

    When it came to miners strikes Ted was a rank amateur compared to Thatcher.

    Macmillan was defined by the "you've never had it so good" narrative.

    Devaluation was a seminal moment for Harold but I don't believe it defined him.
    Yes, Wilson is a difficult one. His resignation was unusual in being a purely personal decision.
    I think Harold is probably my favourite post war Prime Minister. I researched the devaluation crisis a while ago, and the big regret was they didn't go much earlier.

    Harold handled his Eurosceptics beautifully. Cameron could have learned lessons from him.
    The cleverest person ever to inhabit number ten. I think this is generally acknowledged. And just a touch of the populist there too with his pipe and simple folksy manner and holidays in the Scillies.
    He may have been clever, but he didn’t achieve anything of substance.

    Macmillan oversaw decolonialism, and Heath got Britain into the EU.

    Wilson just had his “white heat” speech and spent his time trying to avoid devaluation - and failing.
    Open University, ended death penalty, decriminalised homosexuality. There are worse legacies, even if none of these defined Wilson.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,351
    Rare unanimity on X that Pulp have stolen the show so far at 2025's Glastonbury.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,087

    Rare unanimity on X that Pulp have stolen the show so far at 2025's Glastonbury.

    The bar was so low, Warwick Davis was struggling to limbo under it.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,413

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Going back a bit more ...

    Callaghan - Winter of Discontent
    Wilson - Devaluation
    Heath - Miners strike
    Eden - Suez
    MacMillan - Profumo

    All handled badly. And we already have the same verdict for Cameron, May, Blair, Truss, Sunak, Johnson.

    It shows how it's the norm for these Defining Episodes to be screwed up by the PM of the day. And therefore how (on this metric) Gordon Brown was exceptional.

    He was a great PM. An surprising conclusion (and perhaps unwelcome to many on here) but pretty much undeniable.

    Ted-the Common Market.

    When it came to miners strikes Ted was a rank amateur compared to Thatcher.

    Macmillan was defined by the "you've never had it so good" narrative.

    Devaluation was a seminal moment for Harold but I don't believe it defined him.
    Yes, Wilson is a difficult one. His resignation was unusual in being a purely personal decision.
    I think Harold is probably my favourite post war Prime Minister. I researched the devaluation crisis a while ago, and the big regret was they didn't go much earlier.

    Harold handled his Eurosceptics beautifully. Cameron could have learned lessons from him.
    The cleverest person ever to inhabit number ten. I think this is generally acknowledged. And just a touch of the populist there too with his pipe and simple folksy manner and holidays in the Scillies.
    He may have been clever, but he didn’t achieve anything of substance.

    Macmillan oversaw decolonialism, and Heath got Britain into the EU.

    Wilson just had his “white heat” speech and spent his time trying to avoid devaluation - and failing.
    Open University, ended death penalty, decriminalised homosexuality. There are worse legacies, even if none of these defined Wilson.
    Those are all excellent. But it doesn’t feel like history attributes them to Wilson especially.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,633
    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    pm215 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    I think the King's "dear oh dear" comment summed up Liz Truss' brief premiership succinctly.

    HMQ on Boris's resignation – at least I won't have that idiot organising my funeral.
    Doesn't everyone arrange there own funeral I know I have
    I might change my mind on this in twenty years time, but personally I think funerals are for the living, so I'd only do something if it was a "make life easier for whoever it is that has to deal with it" action.
    I'd quite like "funeral pyre on a windswept hillside" but since some Hindus injudiciously brought a court case trying to force their council to provide one, it has been ruled illegal.
    I don't mind what they do for my funeral - I might leave a selected playlist but only as a suggestion, they can remember me how they want - but assuming I die when my lot are still healthy, I'd quite like them to haul my charred remains up Arnside Knott one last time one bleak November afternoon and leave me there.
    a playlist is a good idea, it gives you a last chance to leave a message....no steps or s club 7 for me anyway
    I’ve got one!



    All a bit gloomy to be honest. I think it might be nicer for the kids if the songs were slightly cheerier.

    Til I Die & Country would probably suffice
    Not that gloomy, IMO. I find a lot of the Smiths pretty uplifting. Particularly TIALTNGO. That will be a proper singalong which will leave people happier than they were before.

    I quite like the concept of singing at funerals. In one of the Tiffany Aching books by Terry Pratchett, Nanny Ogg leads a singalong of a well-chosen song at a funeral. And there is somethingm magical about communal singing. I recently saw a clip from an aquaintance's mother's funeral in which the assembled family all sang "Delilah". In all honesty, I can't think of a better and more uplifting send off than a rousing chorus of TIALTNGO.
    Isn't delialah a song about sexual abuse?
    No. It's about femicide:

    I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more.

    Green Green Grass Of Home was Act 2.

    There was a lot of it about in the swinging 60s. How about this from the Fab Four:

    If I catch you talking to that boy again
    I'm gonna let you down
    And leave you flat


    'Leave you flat' in this context does not mean 'leave you depressed and demotivated'.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,933
    Scott_xP said:

    @Georgia_Edkins

    💥Exclusive: SNP politician, 71, charged after police find half-a-million pound cannabis farm at a country home in the Borders💥

    https://x.com/Georgia_Edkins/status/1939011183698206724

    Was it a joint enterprise charge?
  • eekeek Posts: 30,408

    Rare unanimity on X that Pulp have stolen the show so far at 2025's Glastonbury.

    It's Jarvis Cocker. The Glasgow concert was great and were it not for the fact it would have added 3 hours to 20 hours of driving across last weekend we would have seen them in Glasgow as well. I'm still trying to get Tramline tickets for the Friday...
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,408
    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just rejoice at this news:

    Illegal e-bikes and scooters seized in Sheffield city centre - BBC News https://share.google/WwCMvuJOxbVwRJ1Ji

    The e-motorcycle crackdown is welcome.

    But the blanket ban on e-scooters is to my mind a gross failure of regulation and flexibility. They are undoubtedly a brilliant, cost and energy-efficient way for people to whizz around our cities and towns, particularly given 25% of all journeys are less than a mile (70% less than 5). They don't take up much parking space, don't smash the roads to pieces and so on.

    We need a new RTA and revision to the Highway Code to anticipate the scooter revolution.
    ebikes, if we mean electrically-assisted bicycles, are fine imo. If by e-scooters you mean the ones that look like children's toys, they were briefly very popular round here but have since largely disappeared.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,041

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    pm215 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    I think the King's "dear oh dear" comment summed up Liz Truss' brief premiership succinctly.

    HMQ on Boris's resignation – at least I won't have that idiot organising my funeral.
    Doesn't everyone arrange there own funeral I know I have
    I might change my mind on this in twenty years time, but personally I think funerals are for the living, so I'd only do something if it was a "make life easier for whoever it is that has to deal with it" action.
    I'd quite like "funeral pyre on a windswept hillside" but since some Hindus injudiciously brought a court case trying to force their council to provide one, it has been ruled illegal.
    I don't mind what they do for my funeral - I might leave a selected playlist but only as a suggestion, they can remember me how they want - but assuming I die when my lot are still healthy, I'd quite like them to haul my charred remains up Arnside Knott one last time one bleak November afternoon and leave me there.
    a playlist is a good idea, it gives you a last chance to leave a message....no steps or s club 7 for me anyway
    I’ve got one!



    All a bit gloomy to be honest. I think it might be nicer for the kids if the songs were slightly cheerier.

    Til I Die & Country would probably suffice
    Not that gloomy, IMO. I find a lot of the Smiths pretty uplifting. Particularly TIALTNGO. That will be a proper singalong which will leave people happier than they were before.

    I quite like the concept of singing at funerals. In one of the Tiffany Aching books by Terry Pratchett, Nanny Ogg leads a singalong of a well-chosen song at a funeral. And there is somethingm magical about communal singing. I recently saw a clip from an aquaintance's mother's funeral in which the assembled family all sang "Delilah". In all honesty, I can't think of a better and more uplifting send off than a rousing chorus of TIALTNGO.
    Isn't delialah a song about sexual abuse?
    No. It's about femicide:

    I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more.

    Green Green Grass Of Home was Act 2.

    There was a lot of it about in the swinging 60s. How about this from the Fab Four:

    If I catch you talking to that boy again
    I'm gonna let you down
    And leave you flat


    'Leave you flat' in this context does not mean 'leave you depressed and demotivated'.
    erm femicide isnt a form of sexual abuse?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,978

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Going back a bit more ...

    Callaghan - Winter of Discontent
    Wilson - Devaluation
    Heath - Miners strike
    Eden - Suez
    MacMillan - Profumo

    All handled badly. And we already have the same verdict for Cameron, May, Blair, Truss, Sunak, Johnson.

    It shows how it's the norm for these Defining Episodes to be screwed up by the PM of the day. And therefore how (on this metric) Gordon Brown was exceptional.

    He was a great PM. An surprising conclusion (and perhaps unwelcome to many on here) but pretty much undeniable.

    Ted-the Common Market.

    When it came to miners strikes Ted was a rank amateur compared to Thatcher.

    Macmillan was defined by the "you've never had it so good" narrative.

    Devaluation was a seminal moment for Harold but I don't believe it defined him.
    Yes, Wilson is a difficult one. His resignation was unusual in being a purely personal decision.
    I think Harold is probably my favourite post war Prime Minister. I researched the devaluation crisis a while ago, and the big regret was they didn't go much earlier.

    Harold handled his Eurosceptics beautifully. Cameron could have learned lessons from him.
    The very left-wing head of the sixth form at my school named Harold Wilson as his hero.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,382

    SKS would definitely fail this vanilla human test

    His social media accounts look like pure chatgpt

    I fail the vanilla human test on my home WiFi, but pass on 4G.

    I have no idea what to conclude from that.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,651

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    Lucy Connolly really is the pin up for the hard of thinking.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,633
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    isam said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    pm215 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    I think the King's "dear oh dear" comment summed up Liz Truss' brief premiership succinctly.

    HMQ on Boris's resignation – at least I won't have that idiot organising my funeral.
    Doesn't everyone arrange there own funeral I know I have
    I might change my mind on this in twenty years time, but personally I think funerals are for the living, so I'd only do something if it was a "make life easier for whoever it is that has to deal with it" action.
    I'd quite like "funeral pyre on a windswept hillside" but since some Hindus injudiciously brought a court case trying to force their council to provide one, it has been ruled illegal.
    I don't mind what they do for my funeral - I might leave a selected playlist but only as a suggestion, they can remember me how they want - but assuming I die when my lot are still healthy, I'd quite like them to haul my charred remains up Arnside Knott one last time one bleak November afternoon and leave me there.
    a playlist is a good idea, it gives you a last chance to leave a message....no steps or s club 7 for me anyway
    I’ve got one!



    All a bit gloomy to be honest. I think it might be nicer for the kids if the songs were slightly cheerier.

    Til I Die & Country would probably suffice
    Not that gloomy, IMO. I find a lot of the Smiths pretty uplifting. Particularly TIALTNGO. That will be a proper singalong which will leave people happier than they were before.

    I quite like the concept of singing at funerals. In one of the Tiffany Aching books by Terry Pratchett, Nanny Ogg leads a singalong of a well-chosen song at a funeral. And there is somethingm magical about communal singing. I recently saw a clip from an aquaintance's mother's funeral in which the assembled family all sang "Delilah". In all honesty, I can't think of a better and more uplifting send off than a rousing chorus of TIALTNGO.
    Isn't delialah a song about sexual abuse?
    No. It's about femicide:

    I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more.

    Green Green Grass Of Home was Act 2.

    There was a lot of it about in the swinging 60s. How about this from the Fab Four:

    If I catch you talking to that boy again
    I'm gonna let you down
    And leave you flat


    'Leave you flat' in this context does not mean 'leave you depressed and demotivated'.
    erm femicide isnt a form of sexual abuse?
    No it isn't. Sexual abuse is a crime. Murder is a different crime. The anthem of England rugby fans is a song glorifying the murder of a women (and blaming her for inviting it).
  • eekeek Posts: 30,408
    edited June 28

    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Just rejoice at this news:

    Illegal e-bikes and scooters seized in Sheffield city centre - BBC News https://share.google/WwCMvuJOxbVwRJ1Ji

    The e-motorcycle crackdown is welcome.

    But the blanket ban on e-scooters is to my mind a gross failure of regulation and flexibility. They are undoubtedly a brilliant, cost and energy-efficient way for people to whizz around our cities and towns, particularly given 25% of all journeys are less than a mile (70% less than 5). They don't take up much parking space, don't smash the roads to pieces and so on.

    We need a new RTA and revision to the Highway Code to anticipate the scooter revolution.
    ebikes, if we mean electrically-assisted bicycles, are fine imo. If by e-scooters you mean the ones that look like children's toys, they were briefly very popular round here but have since largely disappeared.
    That's because they are illegal in the Uk - to the extent shops and online retailers don't sell them because they can't be used..

    if that wasn't the case I would have one tomorrow to wizz around town on and I would probably visit town more often if I had one.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,041

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    Lucy Connolly really is the pin up for the hard of thinking.
    I thought that was the fragant ms spears
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,651
    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Brandi Carlile was outstanding.

    Hadn't realised Gary Numan had never played Galstonbury until today. Sounded great. His two guitarists were cool - looked like "what two White Walkers did on our holidays".

    I hadn't realized you were a lesbian.
    I just love women. I must be then.
    Inside every straight man there's a lesbian wanting to get out and outside every lesbian there's a straight man wanting to get in.
    "I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body." - E. Izzard.
    He's not a lesbian trapped in a man's body, he's an attention-seeking pillock.
    Does anyone ever use "pillock" outside the hallowed halls of PB anymore?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 85,087
    edited June 28
    China are now making e-bikes that go upto 75mph. I am sure they will make it harder than clipping a single wire to ensure it can't do that with the Western version.....
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,918
    Ratters said:

    SKS would definitely fail this vanilla human test

    His social media accounts look like pure chatgpt

    I fail the vanilla human test on my home WiFi, but pass on 4G.

    I have no idea what to conclude from that.
    You're a cyborg?
  • TresTres Posts: 2,900

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    Lucy Connolly really is the pin up for the hard of thinking.
    Her and Lucy Letby.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,041

    Cookie said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Brandi Carlile was outstanding.

    Hadn't realised Gary Numan had never played Galstonbury until today. Sounded great. His two guitarists were cool - looked like "what two White Walkers did on our holidays".

    I hadn't realized you were a lesbian.
    I just love women. I must be then.
    Inside every straight man there's a lesbian wanting to get out and outside every lesbian there's a straight man wanting to get in.
    "I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body." - E. Izzard.
    He's not a lesbian trapped in a man's body, he's an attention-seeking pillock.
    Does anyone ever use "pillock" outside the hallowed halls of PB anymore?
    Does anyone use it here? Seems a bit modern when we can use tatterdemalion, flibbertigibbert etc
  • Frank_BoothFrank_Booth Posts: 323
    On the issue of Gaza, has the phrase empty vessels make the most noise ever felt more appropriate.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,933
    Interesting piece in the Spectator on the divide on the right:

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/demographics-is-the-new-dividing-line-on-the-right/
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,382

    Ratters said:

    SKS would definitely fail this vanilla human test

    His social media accounts look like pure chatgpt

    I fail the vanilla human test on my home WiFi, but pass on 4G.

    I have no idea what to conclude from that.
    You're a cyborg?
    I tried to reconnect on my WiFi via a rubbish free VPN and was allowed straight back on (that is me now).

    I think it's fair to conclude Vanilla's checks are somewhere between arbitrary and pretty useless.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,408
    FPT
    Tres said:

    Battlebus said:

    HYUFD said:

    What did @StillWaters mean by his mother’s observation that Keir Starmer had an “interesting approach to money?”

    I think Keir is very boring, very timid.
    But can we please accept too that he’s that quite rare thing in British high office: a lower middle class striver.

    The last one was John Major. And before him, basically nobody.

    Arguably Ted Heath too (who was borderline lower middle class/skilled working class by parentage) who also more matches Starmer's charmless personality and had an Oxford degree like Sir Keir but unlike Major who nonetheless had more charm than both.

    Perhaps Callaghan and Wilson as well but the latter's background was more solidly middle class
    Ah yes. For some reason, forgot Heath and Callaghan…and Thatcher!
    Does TMay also fit on the "lower middle class striver" list?

    Suggestion: looking at that list, they were all diligent at the job, because strivers have to be. Their common flaw was not inspiring followership. Whereas natural-born leaders, Cameron, Johnson or Clegg, say, were undone by their indolence. Indeed, the consequences of their failures were bigger and worse than those of the mediocrities.

    The ideal.would be to have a natural leader who nonetheless works hard at it. It's been a while since we had one of those.
    I am not sure that works. Boris yes, definitely. But all the reports of Cameron was he wasn't lazy despite the Chillaxing stuff, all reports were that he actually everything got done promptly despite having a young family, everything in the red box was done daily, signed off, he was well read on things he was being asked to do. I don't remember people saying Clegg was lazy either.

    Neither were perhaps doing Thatcher or Brown-esque shifts, but I don't think the business of government ground to a halt under them. It did under Brown, because he was the total opposite end of wanting to micro-manage every decision.
    Are you suggesting that coalition leads to better governance and outcomes?
    The quality of both teams combined was a lot stronger than we have had in recent times. From the Yellow Peril, the likes of Danny Alexander, Norman Lamb, and Steve Webb were very good at their jobs.
    a consequence of a decade of the main parties selecting politicians who could live with brexit
    Nope its the consequence of everyone who was pro EU deciding they've got better things to do than be a politician...
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,351
    eek said:

    Rare unanimity on X that Pulp have stolen the show so far at 2025's Glastonbury.

    It's Jarvis Cocker. The Glasgow concert was great and were it not for the fact it would have added 3 hours to 20 hours of driving across last weekend we would have seen them in Glasgow as well. I'm still trying to get Tramline tickets for the Friday...
    His dry charisma seems as strong as ever. There was always an extra layer of subtlety with this band; the most self-aware face of Britpop.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,310

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    Lucy Connolly really is the pin up for the hard of thinking.
    It’s a tricky case. Arguably if she posted what she did back then today, she would have nothing happen. But timing is crucial. And the thing all rulers are linked by - coming down hard on riots, civil disorder etc. It’s not that long ago that a Tory government oversaw people jailed for stealing water dur8ng riots, to similar outcry.

    And yet.

    She has surely been punished enough for her stupidity. The case is out there to deter others. What good is served by detaining her further?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,651
    Andy_JS said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Going back a bit more ...

    Callaghan - Winter of Discontent
    Wilson - Devaluation
    Heath - Miners strike
    Eden - Suez
    MacMillan - Profumo

    All handled badly. And we already have the same verdict for Cameron, May, Blair, Truss, Sunak, Johnson.

    It shows how it's the norm for these Defining Episodes to be screwed up by the PM of the day. And therefore how (on this metric) Gordon Brown was exceptional.

    He was a great PM. An surprising conclusion (and perhaps unwelcome to many on here) but pretty much undeniable.

    Ted-the Common Market.

    When it came to miners strikes Ted was a rank amateur compared to Thatcher.

    Macmillan was defined by the "you've never had it so good" narrative.

    Devaluation was a seminal moment for Harold but I don't believe it defined him.
    Yes, Wilson is a difficult one. His resignation was unusual in being a purely personal decision.
    I think Harold is probably my favourite post war Prime Minister. I researched the devaluation crisis a while ago, and the big regret was they didn't go much earlier.

    Harold handled his Eurosceptics beautifully. Cameron could have learned lessons from him.
    The very left-wing head of the sixth form at my school named Harold Wilson as his hero.
    Harold was something of a chameleon. He appeared left leaning to the Labour left, and right leaning to the Labour right.

    The print media of course were convinced he was a Soviet agent. One wonders what those journos would make of Donald Trump.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,408

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    Lucy Connolly really is the pin up for the hard of thinking.
    Lucy Connolly is a prime example of people not understanding the purpose of the riot act. At times of tension you need to throw the book at anyone ramping up said tension which is what she did...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,918
    Kari Lake was asked, when appearing before a Congressional committee, what language they speak in Armenia. She didn't know. She had to be told it's Armenian.

    She was also reluctant to say Russia were the aggressors in Ukraine.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 6,814

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    If you support one side in a war then you ipso facto support the death of enemy soldiers. I for one would like more Russian soldiers to die and do not see why I should not be able to express that opinion in public.

    "Death to the IDF" to me falls under freedom of speech.

    In any case, have we forgotten that pop singers are supposed to be provocative?
  • eekeek Posts: 30,408
    edited June 28

    eek said:

    Rare unanimity on X that Pulp have stolen the show so far at 2025's Glastonbury.

    It's Jarvis Cocker. The Glasgow concert was great and were it not for the fact it would have added 3 hours to 20 hours of driving across last weekend we would have seen them in Glasgow as well. I'm still trying to get Tramline tickets for the Friday...
    His dry charisma seems as strong as ever. There was always an extra layer of subtlety with this band; the most self-aware face of Britpop.
    I've listened to the new album More a few times now - the lyrics are as great as ever just with 30 extra years of experience - which to be frank most of the listeners also have..

    I suspect my 18 year old niece who went to see them in Manchester doesn't realise the full picture of songs such as Tina or Farmers Market (will find out when I see her next week).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,511

    rcs1000 said:

    Brandi Carlile was outstanding.

    Hadn't realised Gary Numan had never played Galstonbury until today. Sounded great. His two guitarists were cool - looked like "what two White Walkers did on our holidays".

    I hadn't realized you were a lesbian.
    I just love women. I must be then.
    Inside every straight man there's a lesbian wanting to get out and outside every lesbian there's a straight man wanting to get in.
    Do you have something to tell us?
    I have been best bitch at two lesbian weddings.

    As a student and thereafter I spent a lot of time in gay bars.

    I love lesbians, a pair once bought me a Rolex watch, they misunderstood me when I told them 'I wanna watch.'
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,716
    Cookie said:

    isam said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Cookie said:

    pm215 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    I think the King's "dear oh dear" comment summed up Liz Truss' brief premiership succinctly.

    HMQ on Boris's resignation – at least I won't have that idiot organising my funeral.
    Doesn't everyone arrange there own funeral I know I have
    I might change my mind on this in twenty years time, but personally I think funerals are for the living, so I'd only do something if it was a "make life easier for whoever it is that has to deal with it" action.
    I'd quite like "funeral pyre on a windswept hillside" but since some Hindus injudiciously brought a court case trying to force their council to provide one, it has been ruled illegal.
    I don't mind what they do for my funeral - I might leave a selected playlist but only as a suggestion, they can remember me how they want - but assuming I die when my lot are still healthy, I'd quite like them to haul my charred remains up Arnside Knott one last time one bleak November afternoon and leave me there.
    a playlist is a good idea, it gives you a last chance to leave a message....no steps or s club 7 for me anyway
    I’ve got one!



    All a bit gloomy to be honest. I think it might be nicer for the kids if the songs were slightly cheerier.

    Til I Die & Country would probably suffice
    Not that gloomy, IMO. I find a lot of the Smiths pretty uplifting. Particularly TIALTNGO. That will be a proper singalong which will leave people happier than they were before.

    I quite like the concept of singing at funerals. In one of the Tiffany Aching books by Terry Pratchett, Nanny Ogg leads a singalong of a well-chosen song at a funeral. And there is somethingm magical about communal singing. I recently saw a clip from an aquaintance's mother's funeral in which the assembled family all sang "Delilah". In all honesty, I can't think of a better and more uplifting send off than a rousing chorus of TIALTNGO.
    At my mother in law's funeral, as those who were attending were invited to say a few words, one of her former work colleagues stood up at the back and gave us an unexpected, a capella rendition of The Impossible Dream.

    Which was ... different.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,651
    Tres said:

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    Lucy Connolly really is the pin up for the hard of thinking.
    Her and Lucy Letby.
    I think I am with David Davis when it comes to Lucy the pole dancer.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,041

    eek said:

    Rare unanimity on X that Pulp have stolen the show so far at 2025's Glastonbury.

    It's Jarvis Cocker. The Glasgow concert was great and were it not for the fact it would have added 3 hours to 20 hours of driving across last weekend we would have seen them in Glasgow as well. I'm still trying to get Tramline tickets for the Friday...
    His dry charisma seems as strong as ever. There was always an extra layer of subtlety with this band; the most self-aware face of Britpop.
    Sorry brit pop was never that self aware they were people that fancied a quick buck.

    Want self aware look at bands like the levellers, New model army, flux of pink indians, conflict etc
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,978

    Piers Moron is on the case...

    In Britain, we now jail the likes of Lucy Connolly for dumb, incendiary social media posts (that she deleted), but 1000s chant about killing people at a major music festival, live on our publicly funded broadcaster, and nobody seems to care. Outrageous double standard.

    https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1939037803406598577

    Lucy Connolly really is the pin up for the hard of thinking.
    I thought compassion was important for the left.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,918

    Interesting piece in the Spectator on the divide on the right:

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/demographics-is-the-new-dividing-line-on-the-right/

    Had a look. It's not the least bit interesting. It uses Goodwin's nonsense demographic predictions.
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