The Tories could bail Starmer out, but I wonder what they'd want in return.
Nothing. If the bill falls, the tories win (but the country loses). If the bill passes with their support, the tories win (and the country wins). The question is more which would Starmer prefer if one has to happen.
Im not sure the country does lose if the bill falls, it means a more considered bill that actually addresses both the costs of Welfare and the needs of disabled people will be required to replace it.
The Tories could bail Starmer out, but I wonder what they'd want in return.
They've already given him their demands - reduce welfare bill, more disabled into work, no tax rises in next budget. And they want it confirmed at the despatch box
How very inspiring.
Reform are a complete nonsense and rather obscure the picture, but surely there's some sort of thought going on somewhere on the right.
The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”
It honestly didn't expect this sort of thing to happen only 11 months into a new Labour government. Not good at all.
I did, you can't govern the country on such a low vote share. Labour only got 1 in 5 voters to vote for them, pushing through any kind of controversial agenda was always going to be difficult on such razor thin margins despite the size of the majority. Their coalition is extremely brittle and Reform are already eating away at it.
Hmm, they currently have a rebellion on benefits cuts and they are losing 3x - 4x as many voters to lefty parties than they are Reform.
It's not their unpopularity on the right that is their mortal weakness at the moment.
As a layman, it doesn't look too serious on the scale of these things. Can anyone offer an informed opinion?
That the MHRA is looking into it actively is not a good sign for these drugs. I mean, they might conclude there's no issue, but it's not good they're looking
Certainly bad news if those drugs mess with the pancreas, where many conditions are effectively untreatable
The Tories could bail Starmer out, but I wonder what they'd want in return.
They've already given him their demands - reduce welfare bill, more disabled into work, no tax rises in next budget. And they want it confirmed at the despatch box
How very inspiring.
Reform are a complete nonsense and rather obscure the picture, but surely there's some sort of thought going on somewhere on the right.
I suspect the Tories want it to pass, with their help, so Starmer takes the Tory shill hit and if they can recover they don't have to do the cuts themselves (but they ain't recovering to governing level so its moot)
The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”
Worst PM ever. Worst Chancellor ever. Nastiest 'human being' at DWP ever. Dream team
Silliest poster ever. You are not remotely partisan are you? Third worst Prime Minister please. Johnson and Truss are waving.
Im utterly partisan when it comes to Labour. They are total dirt.
This is how some of us felt when your party's appalling Johnson sold the nation down the river to become PM and then once in Downing Street took us all for clowns to be ridiculed. A year of what you feel you have had to put up with doesn't come close to the chaos that clown and his immediate successor created, certainly since 2019. I'd suggest three years prior.
Perhaps a little more circumspection is in order.
Nah. Im good, thanks. Im not going to start basing my prejudices on your experiences, that's Borg level shit
There is a great deal to criticise the Starmer Government over. The sheer gross cruelty behind the Welfare Reform Bill is disgusting. The ineptitude of the WFA debacle is to be ridiculed, and their absurd "no new taxes" narrative is insane, but you are after them for everything with no memory for the mess your lot created. You would have been one of those criticising my Trump or Johnson Derangement Syndrome, yet your version beats mine.
This place is at its finest when authoritative debate is undertaken. A humourless echo chamber of posting that politician A is shit, followed by an onslaught by a handful of copycats is tiresome. Leon is very adept at winding the spring to create this phenomenon. We have seen some of our finest posters drop off, or at least post less frequently recently. It's hardly surprising when the quality of debate is one of "Starmer is shit". He is, but we need your workings out.
The average domestic printer is a good objective correlative for the British government since about 2005
what have you got printer-wise?
Canon something. Before that HP. Before that something else
It doesn’t seem to matter. Whatever brand or model they stop working after about three print jobs
Yeah they're all shit. I still take anything that needs printing to my parents house and use my dad's all singing all dancing colour laser printer that's the size of a small room.
I’m at the stage where I would buy a proper pro laser printer. But I don’t have the space
The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”
It honestly didn't expect this sort of thing to happen only 11 months into a new Labour government. Not good at all.
I did, you can't govern the country on such a low vote share. Labour only got 1 in 5 voters to vote for them, pushing through any kind of controversial agenda was always going to be difficult on such razor thin margins despite the size of the majority. Their coalition is extremely brittle and Reform are already eating away at it.
And they have a whole bunch of MPs on small maj worrying about re-election and another bunch who realistically know they will be one term wonders, both harder to threaten/bribe and eager to have some sort of half decent political obituary
The Tories could bail Starmer out, but I wonder what they'd want in return.
They've already given him their demands - reduce welfare bill, more disabled into work, no tax rises in next budget. And they want it confirmed at the despatch box
How very inspiring.
Reform are a complete nonsense and rather obscure the picture, but surely there's some sort of thought going on somewhere on the right.
I suspect the Tories want it to pass, with their help, so Starmer takes the Tory shill hit and if they can recover they don't have to do the cuts themselves (but they ain't recovering to governing level so its moot)
It's such a nothing of a bill though.
Imagine 5% cuts all round to welfare - the Tories would love to vote for that on Labour's watch
What we need is much sharper of course - 50%. And see how the land lies then.
Has any other PBer ever had this insane, unexpected problem? A printer not working?
I am numb with disbelief and a kind of terror
Get a library card. In extremis, you can go to your local library with a memory stick and get a print there, but they'll probably ask you to register (take a couple of bills with yor name on it, and photo-id)
It used to be that the high street had printshops (RIP Staples) where you could get it done, and although they still exist (I should imagine Lahndahn has lots) it's quicker to go to the library.
Print shops are great. Libraries are great. You are really missing out on the human experience by not going to places like that.
The average domestic printer is a good objective correlative for the British government since about 2005
what have you got printer-wise?
Canon something. Before that HP. Before that something else
It doesn’t seem to matter. Whatever brand or model they stop working after about three print jobs
Yeah they're all shit. I still take anything that needs printing to my parents house and use my dad's all singing all dancing colour laser printer that's the size of a small room.
I’m at the stage where I would buy a proper pro laser printer. But I don’t have the space
I have had my smallish brother laser printer for years, only black and white, but if I need it, it delivers, even if it's been idle for months
Has any other PBer ever had this insane, unexpected problem? A printer not working?
I am numb with disbelief and a kind of terror
We bought our HP colour laser printer in 2011 and it's still working fine. The only problem is finding legacy printer drivers for it when MS upgrades the OS on the computer.
The Tories could bail Starmer out, but I wonder what they'd want in return.
They've already given him their demands - reduce welfare bill, more disabled into work, no tax rises in next budget. And they want it confirmed at the despatch box
I'd say that's nearly meaningless. Kemi always says she has no policies because she can't see the detail of the finances, so how can she suddenly see enough credibly to make these demands?
- "Reduce welfare bill", without policies, is performative flogging.
- "More disabled into work" is her admission that the Work Capacity Assessments her party put in place were a f*ck*p.
- "No tax rises" is nonsense, since circumstances are changing daily in the big, wide world and she keeps demanding that things be done that require more expenditure eg defence, despite their never having been done under the Government where she was a minister, and her party leaving oodles of unfunded promises lying around.
The Tories could bail Starmer out, but I wonder what they'd want in return.
They've already given him their demands - reduce welfare bill, more disabled into work, no tax rises in next budget. And they want it confirmed at the despatch box
How very inspiring.
Reform are a complete nonsense and rather obscure the picture, but surely there's some sort of thought going on somewhere on the right.
I suspect the Tories want it to pass, with their help, so Starmer takes the Tory shill hit and if they can recover they don't have to do the cuts themselves (but they ain't recovering to governing level so its moot)
It's such a nothing of a bill though.
Imagine 5% cuts all round to welfare - the Tories would love to vote for that on Labour's watch
What we need is much sharper of course - 50%. And see how the land lies then.
Littered with bodies? Half the amount people get or half the number that get it? Disabled or unemployed? Both? Pensions?
The average domestic printer is a good objective correlative for the British government since about 2005
what have you got printer-wise?
Canon something. Before that HP. Before that something else
It doesn’t seem to matter. Whatever brand or model they stop working after about three print jobs
Yeah they're all shit. I still take anything that needs printing to my parents house and use my dad's all singing all dancing colour laser printer that's the size of a small room.
I’m at the stage where I would buy a proper pro laser printer. But I don’t have the space
Housing theory of everything strikes again.
(Having recently acquired a shoffice/orangery, it's terrifying how quickly it has gone from zen emptiness to comfortably full of stuff. Not uncomfortably full, but full enough thank you. It's not even as if any of the Inromfords are good at buying things.)
The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”
Worst PM ever. Worst Chancellor ever. Nastiest 'human being' at DWP ever. Dream team
Silliest poster ever. You are not remotely partisan are you? Third worst Prime Minister please. Johnson and Truss are waving.
Im utterly partisan when it comes to Labour. They are total dirt.
This is how some of us felt when your party's appalling Johnson sold the nation down the river to become PM and then once in Downing Street took us all for clowns to be ridiculed. A year of what you feel you have had to put up with doesn't come close to the chaos that clown and his immediate successor created, certainly since 2019. I'd suggest three years prior.
Perhaps a little more circumspection is in order.
Nah. Im good, thanks. Im not going to start basing my prejudices on your experiences, that's Borg level shit
There is a great deal to criticise the Starmer Government over. The sheer gross cruelty behind the Welfare Reform Bill is disgusting. The ineptitude of the WFA debacle is to be ridiculed, and their absurd "no new taxes" narrative is insane, but you are after them for everything with no memory for the mess your lot created. You would have been one of those criticising my Trump or Johnson Derangement Syndrome, yet your version beats mine.
This place is at its finest when authoritative debate is undertaken. A humourless echo chamber of posting that politician A is shit, followed by an onslaught by a handful of copycats is tiresome. Leon is very adept at winding the spring to create this phenomenon. We have seen some of our finest posters drop off, or at least post less frequently recently. It's hardly surprising when the quality of debate is one of "Starmer is shit". He is, but we need your workings out.
Alright, fair enough. I do try quite often to show my workings but sometimes I really do like to let off steam too. And this bill, in particular, boils my piss for entirely personal reasons to me. I will endeavour to restrict my hot headedness whilst reserving the right to fly off the handle like the troubled little soul I am on occasion
As a layman, it doesn't look too serious on the scale of these things. Can anyone offer an informed opinion?
That the MHRA is looking into it actively is not a good sign for these drugs. I mean, they might conclude there's no issue, but it's not good they're looking
Certainly bad news if those drugs mess with the pancreas, where many conditions are effectively untreatable
These drugs are all afaics contraindicated for Type I diabetic patients, which is the pancreatic / endocrine system.
Translation: "No, there is no chance of you having any. You will have to do lots of exercise and balance your diet even more than you do already to lose the weight you gained over the last treatment period."
I don't know that much more than that.
I am now off for my long walk as it is back down below 20C.
The Tories could bail Starmer out, but I wonder what they'd want in return.
They've already given him their demands - reduce welfare bill, more disabled into work, no tax rises in next budget. And they want it confirmed at the despatch box
I'd say that's nearly meaningless. Kemi always says she has no policies because she can't see the detail of the finances, so how can she suddenly see enough credibly to make these demands?
- "Reduce welfare bill", without policies, is performative flogging.
- "More disabled into work" is her admission that the Work Capacity Assessments her party put in place were a f*ck*p.
- "No tax rises" is nonsense, since circumstances are changing daily in the big, wide world and she keeps demanding that things be done that require more expenditure eg defence, despite their never having been done under the Government where she was a minister, and her party leaving oodles of unfunded promises lying around.
It is entirely meaningless, its the cat playing with the mouse because she can
The Tories could bail Starmer out, but I wonder what they'd want in return.
They've already given him their demands - reduce welfare bill, more disabled into work, no tax rises in next budget. And they want it confirmed at the despatch box
How very inspiring.
Reform are a complete nonsense and rather obscure the picture, but surely there's some sort of thought going on somewhere on the right.
I suspect the Tories want it to pass, with their help, so Starmer takes the Tory shill hit and if they can recover they don't have to do the cuts themselves (but they ain't recovering to governing level so its moot)
It's such a nothing of a bill though.
Imagine 5% cuts all round to welfare - the Tories would love to vote for that on Labour's watch
What we need is much sharper of course - 50%. And see how the land lies then.
Littered with bodies? Half the amount people get or half the number that get it? Disabled or unemployed? Both? Pensions?
Yes. That'd be the implication. The bodies would be non-existent. A very few would experience very great hardship and you'd have to sweep up and correct that. I'd suggest that nearly all of our welfare budget is entirely unnecessary. And you can do something to shake out the villains.
The Tories could bail Starmer out, but I wonder what they'd want in return.
They've already given him their demands - reduce welfare bill, more disabled into work, no tax rises in next budget. And they want it confirmed at the despatch box
How very inspiring.
Reform are a complete nonsense and rather obscure the picture, but surely there's some sort of thought going on somewhere on the right.
I suspect the Tories want it to pass, with their help, so Starmer takes the Tory shill hit and if they can recover they don't have to do the cuts themselves (but they ain't recovering to governing level so its moot)
It's such a nothing of a bill though.
Imagine 5% cuts all round to welfare - the Tories would love to vote for that on Labour's watch
What we need is much sharper of course - 50%. And see how the land lies then.
Benefits should not be cut for those in genuine need but should not be paid to those who have no need
I know it is my hobby horse but why are millionaires getting free NHS and the state pension ?
The Tories could bail Starmer out, but I wonder what they'd want in return.
They've already given him their demands - reduce welfare bill, more disabled into work, no tax rises in next budget. And they want it confirmed at the despatch box
I'd say that's nearly meaningless. Kemi always says she has no policies because she can't see the detail of the finances, so how can she suddenly see enough credibly to make these demands?
- "Reduce welfare bill", without policies, is performative flogging.
- "More disabled into work" is her admission that the Work Capacity Assessments her party put in place were a f*ck*p.
- "No tax rises" is nonsense, since circumstances are changing daily in the big, wide world and she keeps demanding that things be done that require more expenditure eg defence, despite their never having been done under the Government where she was a minister, and her party leaving oodles of unfunded promises lying around.
Yes, but she is in opposition and has the joy of being able to float anything without being held to account. Labour did it for 14 years. All those PBers laughing that the Tories will have to get used to standing on the outside howling at the moon cant exactly complain, this is what they forecast. Same applies to Farage he can promise gold plated unicorns today and winning lottery tickets for all tomorrow, it's the fun of being in opposition.
It would help if the REDACTED REDACTED French tax authorities didn't ask for some forms to be double sided, yet others single sided, for NO APPARENT REASON WHATSOEVER
The Tories could bail Starmer out, but I wonder what they'd want in return.
They've already given him their demands - reduce welfare bill, more disabled into work, no tax rises in next budget. And they want it confirmed at the despatch box
How very inspiring.
Reform are a complete nonsense and rather obscure the picture, but surely there's some sort of thought going on somewhere on the right.
I suspect the Tories want it to pass, with their help, so Starmer takes the Tory shill hit and if they can recover they don't have to do the cuts themselves (but they ain't recovering to governing level so its moot)
It's such a nothing of a bill though.
Imagine 5% cuts all round to welfare - the Tories would love to vote for that on Labour's watch
What we need is much sharper of course - 50%. And see how the land lies then.
Littered with bodies? Half the amount people get or half the number that get it? Disabled or unemployed? Both? Pensions?
Yes. That'd be the implication. The bodies would be non-existent. A very few would experience very great hardship and you'd have to sweep up and correct that. I'd suggest that nearly all of our welfare budget is entirely unnecessary. And you can do something to shake out the villains.
They wouldn't be non existent. And it would be more than a very few. You need to start by having suitable jobs in large numbers available, incentivising the employment of the disabled and sorting out the care system and carers rather than halving everything and going soup kitchen on everyone.
The Tories could bail Starmer out, but I wonder what they'd want in return.
They've already given him their demands - reduce welfare bill, more disabled into work, no tax rises in next budget. And they want it confirmed at the despatch box
I'd say that's nearly meaningless. Kemi always says she has no policies because she can't see the detail of the finances, so how can she suddenly see enough credibly to make these demands?
- "Reduce welfare bill", without policies, is performative flogging.
- "More disabled into work" is her admission that the Work Capacity Assessments her party put in place were a f*ck*p.
- "No tax rises" is nonsense, since circumstances are changing daily in the big, wide world and she keeps demanding that things be done that require more expenditure eg defence, despite their never having been done under the Government where she was a minister, and her party leaving oodles of unfunded promises lying around.
It is entirely meaningless, its the cat playing with the mouse because she can
Clever Tory strategy would be to give out they're going to vote against, then on the day pitch up and vote it through. Leaving Labour with a bunch of rebels awaiting punishment having achieved nothing, and folks in the country losing money for which they will always only blame the government
The Tories could bail Starmer out, but I wonder what they'd want in return.
They've already given him their demands - reduce welfare bill, more disabled into work, no tax rises in next budget. And they want it confirmed at the despatch box
I'd say that's nearly meaningless. Kemi always says she has no policies because she can't see the detail of the finances, so how can she suddenly see enough credibly to make these demands?
- "Reduce welfare bill", without policies, is performative flogging.
- "More disabled into work" is her admission that the Work Capacity Assessments her party put in place were a f*ck*p.
- "No tax rises" is nonsense, since circumstances are changing daily in the big, wide world and she keeps demanding that things be done that require more expenditure eg defence, despite their never having been done under the Government where she was a minister, and her party leaving oodles of unfunded promises lying around.
It is entirely meaningless, its the cat playing with the mouse because she can
Clever Tory strategy would be to give out they're going to vote against, then on the day pitch up and vote it through. Leaving Labour with a bunch of rebels awaiting punishment having achieved nothing, and folks in the country losing money for which they will always only blame the government
That could be what happens as there is no way SKS does what she wants before Tuesday
It would help if the REDACTED REDACTED French tax authorities didn't ask for some forms to be double sided, yet others single sided, for NO APPARENT REASON WHATSOEVER
I thought every printer did double sided these days. All of mine have since around 199x .
Do you have to do a USA one as well every year? For that you have my sympathy.
It would help if the REDACTED REDACTED French tax authorities didn't ask for some forms to be double sided, yet others single sided, for NO APPARENT REASON WHATSOEVER
I thought all that sort of stuff was done online nowadays.
The Tories could bail Starmer out, but I wonder what they'd want in return.
They've already given him their demands - reduce welfare bill, more disabled into work, no tax rises in next budget. And they want it confirmed at the despatch box
How very inspiring.
Reform are a complete nonsense and rather obscure the picture, but surely there's some sort of thought going on somewhere on the right.
I suspect the Tories want it to pass, with their help, so Starmer takes the Tory shill hit and if they can recover they don't have to do the cuts themselves (but they ain't recovering to governing level so its moot)
It's such a nothing of a bill though.
Imagine 5% cuts all round to welfare - the Tories would love to vote for that on Labour's watch
What we need is much sharper of course - 50%. And see how the land lies then.
Littered with bodies? Half the amount people get or half the number that get it? Disabled or unemployed? Both? Pensions?
Yes. That'd be the implication. The bodies would be non-existent. A very few would experience very great hardship and you'd have to sweep up and correct that. I'd suggest that nearly all of our welfare budget is entirely unnecessary. And you can do something to shake out the villains.
They wouldn't be non existent. And it would be more than a very few. You need to start by having suitable jobs in large numbers available, incentivising the employment of the disabled and sorting out the care system and carers rather than halving everything and going soup kitchen on everyone.
Perhaps you're right. However by your very engagement you can see that less might be more.
The obvious place to rework the system is spending. Just cut it.
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
I was extremely surprised how empty Starmer's benches were at the time
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
Well all good things come to and end, 11 years is a long time for a PM and MPs become increasingly emboldened to defy the headmaster....oh sorry not 11 years, 11 months.
BUT BUT BUT, when I was head of the CPS, we never had any of these problems, as the son of a toolmaker, I know what it is like to be the backbencher...
The average domestic printer is a good objective correlative for the British government since about 2005
what have you got printer-wise?
Canon something. Before that HP. Before that something else
It doesn’t seem to matter. Whatever brand or model they stop working after about three print jobs
Yeah they're all shit. I still take anything that needs printing to my parents house and use my dad's all singing all dancing colour laser printer that's the size of a small room.
I’m at the stage where I would buy a proper pro laser printer. But I don’t have the space
Housing theory of everything strikes again.
(Having recently acquired a shoffice/orangery, it's terrifying how quickly it has gone from zen emptiness to comfortably full of stuff. Not uncomfortably full, but full enough thank you. It's not even as if any of the Inromfords are good at buying things.)
Yes when we got our garden office I didn't envisage it becoming a home for stray paint tins.
The Tories could bail Starmer out, but I wonder what they'd want in return.
They've already given him their demands - reduce welfare bill, more disabled into work, no tax rises in next budget. And they want it confirmed at the despatch box
How very inspiring.
Reform are a complete nonsense and rather obscure the picture, but surely there's some sort of thought going on somewhere on the right.
I suspect the Tories want it to pass, with their help, so Starmer takes the Tory shill hit and if they can recover they don't have to do the cuts themselves (but they ain't recovering to governing level so its moot)
It's such a nothing of a bill though.
Imagine 5% cuts all round to welfare - the Tories would love to vote for that on Labour's watch
What we need is much sharper of course - 50%. And see how the land lies then.
Littered with bodies? Half the amount people get or half the number that get it? Disabled or unemployed? Both? Pensions?
Yes. That'd be the implication. The bodies would be non-existent. A very few would experience very great hardship and you'd have to sweep up and correct that. I'd suggest that nearly all of our welfare budget is entirely unnecessary. And you can do something to shake out the villains.
They wouldn't be non existent. And it would be more than a very few. You need to start by having suitable jobs in large numbers available, incentivising the employment of the disabled and sorting out the care system and carers rather than halving everything and going soup kitchen on everyone.
Perhaps you're right. However by your very engagement you can see that less might be more.
The obvious place to rework the system is spending. Just cut it.
The politicians way is to increase that spending.
Im very much a fix the whole thing guy. The savings come from creating the correct/a better whole.
To take the example of PIP, most of that money gets spent in the local community on care, services etc etc. Just cutting it is taking money out of local economies to reduce the central budget. Coupled with the lack of actually doing any structural reform or improvement it's a nonsense approach
The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”
Snowflakes. I bet this "shouting" will be like claims of horrendous abuse by the Raab for looking funny at people and asking them to redo their homework without the mistakes i.e. shouting = he spoke in a slightly louder and grumpy tone.
Raab was an arse, and this appears to be as inappropriate. Shouting at subordinates because one can is very 1970s.
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
In a parallel universe, Labour came to power and jacked up income tax, because we need to defend the country and do X, Y & Z, put up with lot of grumbling and just set about doing X, Y & Z, and if they were clever, dropped taxes just a little before their re-election.
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
Are we seriously witnessing Starmer's end days ?
I find it most unlikely but it seems if it happens it is coming from those behind him, not those he is facing
It would help if the REDACTED REDACTED French tax authorities didn't ask for some forms to be double sided, yet others single sided, for NO APPARENT REASON WHATSOEVER
I thought every printer did double sided these days. All of mine have since around 199x .
Do you have to do a USA one as well every year? For that you have my sympathy.
(Actually it's since 198x, since I had a Star NL-10 at University .)
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
I was extremely surprised how empty Starmer's benches were at the time
Take with all due buckets of salt but the rumour mill says Reeves has been inconsolably upset all day and SKS is firmly rabbit in headlights and that it's all falling apart in the central operation
Im guessing they've spent all day today trying to find out what the rebels 'want' and are discovering its a myriad of different things they cannot possibly deliver to get enough to back down
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
Are we seriously witnessing Starmer's end days ?
I find it most unlikely but it seems if it happens it is coming from those behind him, not those he is facing
I think no in fairness but I think Reeves and maybe Kendall sackings are the price to keep him in post till May
Tory MP Takes Swipe At Kemi Badenoch For Attacking Starmer Over PMQs Absence
Mark Pritchard said: "I may get the party whip withdrawn for saying it, but so be it."
A senior Tory MP has taken an astonishing swipe at Kemi Badenoch after she accused Keir Starmer of dodging prime minister’s questions.
The opposition leader said Starmer had “evaded” PMQs for the last two weeks, when he has been attending the G7 and Nato summits abroad.
In response, a clearly-angry PM accused Badenoch of being “unserious” at a time of huge global instability.
He said: “There’s never been a more important time to work with our allies and to be absolutely serious in our response. That response was unserious. Unserious.
“To suggest at a time like this that the prime minister attending the G7 summit and the Nato summit is avoiding PMQs is unserious.”
Later during the same Commons debate, Mark Pritchard, the Conservative MP for The Wrekin, attacked his own leader over her comments.
He said: “Whilst we may disagree on the detail, can I agree with the prime minister that as far as possible in this place, it would be best to keep partisan politics out of national security issues.
“Who knows, I may get the party whip withdrawn for saying it, but so be it. There are things that go beyond party politics.”
No wonder Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick will do a better job than Kemi.
Kemi has just turned out to be a bit shit. Jenrick would at least get the Tories back in the public eye, positively or negatively that's at least something they could do.
I agree.
Jenrick has an eye for getting himself noticed. He's also managed to identify areas where Britain isn't working, and get some publicity around how Labour's not dealing with said issues.
His only issue is that pretty much all of these (like fare dodging) were true under the Tories too.
But if the question is "would the Tories be doing better under Jenrick?", then the answer is a clear "yes".
Disagree, and for the reason you note, which is that Jenrick is just identifying holes dug by his own side, and reminding NOTA voters to support Reform. Starmer would bat these things away just as easily as he does when Kemi raises them. Jenrick, to use the word du jour, is unserious.
It would help if the REDACTED REDACTED French tax authorities didn't ask for some forms to be double sided, yet others single sided, for NO APPARENT REASON WHATSOEVER
I thought every printer did double sided these days. All of mine have since around 199x .
Do you have to do a USA one as well every year? For that you have my sympathy.
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
In a parallel universe, Labour came to power and jacked up income tax, because we need to defend the country and do X, Y & Z, put up with lot of grumbling and just set about doing X, Y & Z, and if they were clever, dropped taxes just a little before their re-election.
Yep. If the very first thing they did wasn't punishment beatings for the elderly for not voting Labour in enough numbers but a proper long term economic reset we might be in a different world.
If you want to witness the vulgarity and sheer ignorance of the billionaire class, just watch Bezos wedding in Venice
It insults the senses and Venetian's have every right to be furious
Hopefully the will vent their fury appropriately
It's startling how they've spent so much money on something that actually sounds shit.
It’s also annoying because I thought Bezos was the best of a bad bunch out of that lot. A bit nerdy, a bit megalomaniacal, but not sheer unadulterated evil. Perhaps he just has bad taste and a blind spot for annoying locals.
(honourable exception for Bill Gates in all these tech titan comparisons, of course)
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
I was extremely surprised how empty Starmer's benches were at the time
Take with all due buckets of salt but the rumour mill says Reeves has been inconsolably upset all day and SKS is firmly rabbit in headlights and that it's all falling apart in the central operation
"The Rumour Mill" - I mean, seriously?
I know you want this Government to collapse and in some strange mystical way a new Government to take its place but this kind of wishcasting.....
The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”
Worst PM ever. Worst Chancellor ever. Nastiest 'human being' at DWP ever. Dream team
Silliest poster ever. You are not remotely partisan are you? Third worst Prime Minister please. Johnson and Truss are waving.
Im utterly partisan when it comes to Labour. They are total dirt.
This is how some of us felt when your party's appalling Johnson sold the nation down the river to become PM and then once in Downing Street took us all for clowns to be ridiculed. A year of what you feel you have had to put up with doesn't come close to the chaos that clown and his immediate successor created, certainly since 2019. I'd suggest three years prior.
Perhaps a little more circumspection is in order.
Nah. Im good, thanks. Im not going to start basing my prejudices on your experiences, that's Borg level shit
There is a great deal to criticise the Starmer Government over. The sheer gross cruelty behind the Welfare Reform Bill is disgusting. The ineptitude of the WFA debacle is to be ridiculed, and their absurd "no new taxes" narrative is insane, but you are after them for everything with no memory for the mess your lot created. You would have been one of those criticising my Trump or Johnson Derangement Syndrome, yet your version beats mine.
This place is at its finest when authoritative debate is undertaken. A humourless echo chamber of posting that politician A is shit, followed by an onslaught by a handful of copycats is tiresome. Leon is very adept at winding the spring to create this phenomenon. We have seen some of our finest posters drop off, or at least post less frequently recently. It's hardly surprising when the quality of debate is one of "Starmer is shit". He is, but we need your workings out.
Alright, fair enough. I do try quite often to show my workings but sometimes I really do like to let off steam too. And this bill, in particular, boils my piss for entirely personal reasons to me. I will endeavour to restrict my hot headedness whilst reserving the right to fly off the handle like the troubled little soul I am on occasion
I quite agree the Welfare Reform Bill has nothing to commend it, despite the nation needing to reduce the cost of the welfare bill.
If you want to witness the vulgarity and sheer ignorance of the billionaire class, just watch Bezos wedding in Venice
It insults the senses and Venetian's have every right to be furious
Hopefully the will vent their fury appropriately
It's startling how they've spent so much money on something that actually sounds shit.
It’s also annoying because I thought Bezos was the best of a bad bunch out of that lot. A bit nerdy, a bit megalomaniacal, but not sheer unadulterated evil. Perhaps he just has bad taste and a blind spot for annoying locals.
(honourable exception for Bill Gates in all these tech titan comparisons, of course)
Amazon has a very poor reputation among high-tech IT staff for the structure of their contracts and firing practices, in a way that Google, Meta, etc just don't do. So it isn't just the drivers and pickers that get a poor deal.
The people who do join Amazon often do it just to get that on their CV as proof of ability to be hired by one of the big companies, not because they think they are going to be there long term. Nvidia on the other hand, loads of people still work there and work really hard, despite having enough money to have retired donkeys years ago.
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
I was extremely surprised how empty Starmer's benches were at the time
Take with all due buckets of salt but the rumour mill says Reeves has been inconsolably upset all day and SKS is firmly rabbit in headlights and that it's all falling apart in the central operation
She looked grim and close to tears at PMQs yesterday
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
Are we seriously witnessing Starmer's end days ?
I find it most unlikely but it seems if it happens it is coming from those behind him, not those he is facing
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
Are we seriously witnessing Starmer's end days ?
I find it most unlikely but it seems if it happens it is coming from those behind him, not those he is facing
I think no in fairness but I think Reeves and maybe Kendall sackings are the price to keep him in post till May
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
Are we seriously witnessing Starmer's end days ?
I find it most unlikely but it seems if it happens it is coming from those behind him, not those he is facing
What's interesting is that Nigel has been fairly anonymous of late, but he doesn't actually need to do anything - the fact that Reform has sliced chunks out of Labour's polling has put the willies up its MPs and they're desperate. If Labour's polling had fallen only a few points then Sir Keir would be given a bit of leeway (mid-term blues etc.), but as it is the fall has been precipitous and a sense of horror and doom prevails.
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
Are we seriously witnessing Starmer's end days ?
I find it most unlikely but it seems if it happens it is coming from those behind him, not those he is facing
It would be difficult to imagine that a PM with 411 seats and four years left of his mandate would be in trouble. It speaks to our febrile times that you might be right
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
Are we seriously witnessing Starmer's end days ?
I find it most unlikely but it seems if it happens it is coming from those behind him, not those he is facing
That's where political enemies do sit.
As Diane Abbott once said (quoting somebody else). "Your opponents are in front of you, your enemies are behind you".
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
I was extremely surprised how empty Starmer's benches were at the time
Take with all due buckets of salt but the rumour mill says Reeves has been inconsolably upset all day and SKS is firmly rabbit in headlights and that it's all falling apart in the central operation
"The Rumour Mill" - I mean, seriously?
I know you want this Government to collapse and in some strange mystical way a new Government to take its place but this kind of wishcasting.....
That's why I said to take with all due buckets of salt.
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
Are we seriously witnessing Starmer's end days ?
I find it most unlikely but it seems if it happens it is coming from those behind him, not those he is facing
If you want to witness the vulgarity and sheer ignorance of the billionaire class, just watch Bezos wedding in Venice
It insults the senses and Venetian's have every right to be furious
Hopefully the will vent their fury appropriately
It's startling how they've spent so much money on something that actually sounds shit.
It’s also annoying because I thought Bezos was the best of a bad bunch out of that lot. A bit nerdy, a bit megalomaniacal, but not sheer unadulterated evil. Perhaps he just has bad taste and a blind spot for annoying locals.
(honourable exception for Bill Gates in all these tech titan comparisons, of course)
Bezos who bought arguably the most prestigious newspaper in America, the Washington Post, and stopped it endorsing Kamala?
And although Bill Gates is now on the side of the angels, his ethics during the rise of Microsoft did not bear too close examination.
Speaking of Bezos, did the PB maths and physics nerds see Bezos explaining why he gave up science? (1-minute videos but others are available):- https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TOO8pWUsSvU
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
Are we seriously witnessing Starmer's end days ?
I find it most unlikely but it seems if it happens it is coming from those behind him, not those he is facing
That's where political enemies do sit.
As Diane Abbott once said (quoting somebody else). "Your opponents are in front of you, your enemies are behind you".
Diane has grown on me recently and at least she is authentic, unlike Starmer and others
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
Are we seriously witnessing Starmer's end days ?
I find it most unlikely but it seems if it happens it is coming from those behind him, not those he is facing
I think no in fairness but I think Reeves and maybe Kendall sackings are the price to keep him in post till May
A ritual reshuffle is probably needed, then some well placed press articles noting that Keir seems to have a weight lifted off his shoulders and is back to his natural self (I remember such articles with both May and Major, his two closest personality matches in recent PMs, not that they helped in the end).
The trouble is most of his front bench are decent.
He has Wes, Yvette and Bridget. All confident media performers. And Ed, though hated by those who will still be insisting next Monday’s 36C in London off the back of a truly mediocre synoptic pattern is a mere bagatelle, has his own charisma and is on top of his brief. Johnny Reynolds is a good business secretary and could move to the treasury. Ange is solid. Lammy seems to divide opinion but I have a soft spot for him. Probably Starmer needs just one or two more.
None is a leader in waiting either. I don’t think Streeting is quite ready. Otherwise not an obvious Jenrick or Boris type waiting in the wings.
Just like Reform. No obvious succession.
Contrast with the Lib Dems where Daisy Cooper is poised, trained up and ready to assume the mantle (just not yet, says Davey).
Meanwhile, Denmark is on the horizon, we’re off the Swedish coast in the Kattegat (why that Vikings TV show named its town after a piece of sea remains a mystery), and it’s actually now raining. Poor show.
But this ex-DFDS ship has dozens of ways to eat and drink, with a cocktail bar, night club, wine bar, table service Scandinavian restaurant, Italian restaurant, English style pub, and a lavish Scandinavian eat-as-much-as-you-want while drinking €10 glasses of wine buffet restaurant, from which I have just returned; no wonder DFDS is so often awarded ‘ferry operator of the year’.
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
Are we seriously witnessing Starmer's end days ?
I find it most unlikely but it seems if it happens it is coming from those behind him, not those he is facing
That's where political enemies do sit.
As Diane Abbott once said (quoting somebody else). "Your opponents are in front of you, your enemies are behind you".
Diane has grown on me recently and at least she is authentic, unlike Starmer and others
Weather vanes and signposts as Tony Benn would have it. Abbott is a signpost
The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”
Snowflakes. I bet this "shouting" will be like claims of horrendous abuse by the Raab for looking funny at people and asking them to redo their homework without the mistakes i.e. shouting = he spoke in a slightly louder and grumpy tone.
Raab was an arse, and this appears to be as inappropriate. Shouting at subordinates because one can is very 1970s.
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
Are we seriously witnessing Starmer's end days ?
I find it most unlikely but it seems if it happens it is coming from those behind him, not those he is facing
That's where political enemies do sit.
As Diane Abbott once said (quoting somebody else). "Your opponents are in front of you, your enemies are behind you".
Diane has grown on me recently and at least she is authentic, unlike Starmer and others
I still can't bear her By authentic do you mean without a filter?
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
Are we seriously witnessing Starmer's end days ?
I find it most unlikely but it seems if it happens it is coming from those behind him, not those he is facing
It would be difficult to imagine that a PM with 411 seats and four years left of his mandate would be in trouble. It speaks to our febrile times that you might be right
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
Are we seriously witnessing Starmer's end days ?
I find it most unlikely but it seems if it happens it is coming from those behind him, not those he is facing
That's where political enemies do sit.
As Diane Abbott once said (quoting somebody else). "Your opponents are in front of you, your enemies are behind you".
Diane has grown on me recently and at least she is authentic, unlike Starmer and others
I still can't bear her By authentic do you mean without a filter?
I do not agree with her politics, but she is consistent and speaks with genuine emotion about her causes
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
Are we seriously witnessing Starmer's end days ?
I find it most unlikely but it seems if it happens it is coming from those behind him, not those he is facing
It would be difficult to imagine that a PM with 411 seats and four years left of his mandate would be in trouble. It speaks to our febrile times that you might be right
And yet, who is there that will do better?
And that is the sad fact for our country and the lowest of all bars
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
Are we seriously witnessing Starmer's end days ?
I find it most unlikely but it seems if it happens it is coming from those behind him, not those he is facing
It would be difficult to imagine that a PM with 411 seats and four years left of his mandate would be in trouble. It speaks to our febrile times that you might be right
And yet, who is there that will do better?
Probably due somebody suggesting David Miliband could stand in a by election..........
First, thanks to Bartholomew Roberts for the informative header. (There's a 1991 book,by Alan Ehrenalt, The United States of Ambition, that discusses this general problem, here in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Ehrenhalt )
On problems with peripherals: I learned from experience that one should -- usually -- check the connection between the computer and the peripheral first.
Starmer claimed he had no choice but to represent a woman arrested over 500 times for breaking into RAF bases.
That’s not true. She said he VOLUNTEERED to do it FOR FREE.
Jenrick needs to sort out the hand action, its bloody annoying.
Jamming his other hand into his pocket looks silly as well. There have been a lot worse media performers at the top in politics but Jenrick should get some serious media training while he has time. (As should they all.)
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
Are we seriously witnessing Starmer's end days ?
I find it most unlikely but it seems if it happens it is coming from those behind him, not those he is facing
It would be difficult to imagine that a PM with 411 seats and four years left of his mandate would be in trouble. It speaks to our febrile times that you might be right
And yet, who is there that will do better?
Probably due somebody suggesting David Miliband could stand in a by election..........
Starmer claimed he had no choice but to represent a woman arrested over 500 times for breaking into RAF bases.
That’s not true. She said he VOLUNTEERED to do it FOR FREE.
Jenrick needs to sort out the hand action, its bloody annoying.
Jamming his other hand into his pocket looks silly as well. There have been a lot worse media performers at the top in politics but Jenrick should get some serious media training while he has time. (As should they all.)
I think somebody has told him you have to do the walk at the camera looking all high energy is what da kidz do along with the closed captions at the bottom for watching on silent during class PMQs.
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
Are we seriously witnessing Starmer's end days ?
I find it most unlikely but it seems if it happens it is coming from those behind him, not those he is facing
That's where political enemies do sit.
As Diane Abbott once said (quoting somebody else). "Your opponents are in front of you, your enemies are behind you".
Diane has grown on me recently and at least she is authentic, unlike Starmer and others
I still can't bear her By authentic do you mean without a filter?
I do not agree with her politics, but she is consistent and speaks with genuine emotion about her causes
Maybe someone should drag Cameron out of the Lords and tell him he's got 12 months to sort out the mess he left us in in 2016.
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
Are we seriously witnessing Starmer's end days ?
I find it most unlikely but it seems if it happens it is coming from those behind him, not those he is facing
It would be difficult to imagine that a PM with 411 seats and four years left of his mandate would be in trouble. It speaks to our febrile times that you might be right
And yet, who is there that will do better?
Although he blotted his copybook last month, Darren Jones. But I suspect it will be a lady. Ange, or perhaps Wes.
Leaked texts show Labour MPs had to be ordered to attend the PM’s NATO statement. First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.' Second: 'You must attend.' Benches still half-empty. 'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.' — Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
Are we seriously witnessing Starmer's end days ?
I find it most unlikely but it seems if it happens it is coming from those behind him, not those he is facing
That's where political enemies do sit.
As Diane Abbott once said (quoting somebody else). "Your opponents are in front of you, your enemies are behind you".
Diane has grown on me recently and at least she is authentic, unlike Starmer and others
I still can't bear her By authentic do you mean without a filter?
I do not agree with her politics, but she is consistent and speaks with genuine emotion about her causes
Maybe someone should drag Cameron out of the Lords and tell him he's got 12 months to sort out the mess he left us in in 2016.
Now here is a suggestion
Bring back Cameron and Nick Clegg to reprise their coalition
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Reform are a complete nonsense and rather obscure the picture, but surely there's some sort of thought going on somewhere on the right.
It's not their unpopularity on the right that is their mortal weakness at the moment.
Unless he came over weally weally angwee in which case maybe not.
This place is at its finest when authoritative debate is undertaken. A humourless echo chamber of posting that politician A is shit, followed by an onslaught by a handful of copycats is tiresome. Leon is very adept at winding the spring to create this phenomenon. We have seen some of our finest posters drop off, or at least post less frequently recently. It's hardly surprising when the quality of debate is one of "Starmer is shit". He is, but we need your workings out.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/uk-joins-wto-trade-arbitration-alternative/ar-AA1Hqc99
Countries working around one of Trump's Term 1 tantrums.
Imagine 5% cuts all round to welfare - the Tories would love to vote for that on Labour's watch
What we need is much sharper of course - 50%. And see how the land lies then.
It used to be that the high street had printshops (RIP Staples) where you could get it done, and although they still exist (I should imagine Lahndahn has lots) it's quicker to go to the library.
Print shops are great. Libraries are great. You are really missing out on the human experience by not going to places like that.
- "Reduce welfare bill", without policies, is performative flogging.
- "More disabled into work" is her admission that the Work Capacity Assessments her party put in place were a f*ck*p.
- "No tax rises" is nonsense, since circumstances are changing daily in the big, wide world and she keeps demanding that things be done that require more expenditure eg defence, despite their never having been done under the Government where she was a minister, and her party leaving oodles of unfunded promises lying around.
(Having recently acquired a shoffice/orangery, it's terrifying how quickly it has gone from zen emptiness to comfortably full of stuff. Not uncomfortably full, but full enough thank you. It's not even as if any of the Inromfords are good at buying things.)
Translation: "No, there is no chance of you having any. You will have to do lots of exercise and balance your diet even more than you do already to lose the weight you gained over the last treatment period."
I don't know that much more than that.
I am now off for my long walk as it is back down below 20C.
Is it a product of the weather or something ?
I know it is my hobby horse but why are millionaires getting free NHS and the state pension ?
And the triple lock and WFP
You need to start by having suitable jobs in large numbers available, incentivising the employment of the disabled and sorting out the care system and carers rather than halving everything and going soup kitchen on everyone.
It insults the senses and Venetian's have every right to be furious
Hopefully the will vent their fury appropriately
Do you have to do a USA one as well every year? For that you have my sympathy.
The obvious place to rework the system is spending. Just cut it.
The politicians way is to increase that spending.
First message: 'You’re encouraged to attend.'
Second: 'You must attend.'
Benches still half-empty.
'That doesn’t augur well for the Prime Minister.'
— Kevin Schofield, HuffPost UK
Authority ebbing away as Rentoul said
Starmer claimed he had no choice but to represent a woman arrested over 500 times for breaking into RAF bases.
That’s not true. She said he VOLUNTEERED to do it FOR FREE.
BUT BUT BUT, when I was head of the CPS, we never had any of these problems, as the son of a toolmaker, I know what it is like to be the backbencher...
To take the example of PIP, most of that money gets spent in the local community on care, services etc etc. Just cutting it is taking money out of local economies to reduce the central budget. Coupled with the lack of actually doing any structural reform or improvement it's a nonsense approach
I find it most unlikely but it seems if it happens it is coming from those behind him, not those he is facing
(honourable exception for Bill Gates in all these tech titan comparisons, of course)
I know you want this Government to collapse and in some strange mystical way a new Government to take its place but this kind of wishcasting.....
The people who do join Amazon often do it just to get that on their CV as proof of ability to be hired by one of the big companies, not because they think they are going to be there long term. Nvidia on the other hand, loads of people still work there and work really hard, despite having enough money to have retired donkeys years ago.
Her resignation or sacking grows daily
Again.... Unemployment is up. What is the matter with him?!
And although Bill Gates is now on the side of the angels, his ethics during the rise of Microsoft did not bear too close examination.
Speaking of Bezos, did the PB maths and physics nerds see Bezos explaining why he gave up science? (1-minute videos but others are available):-
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TOO8pWUsSvU
The trouble is most of his front bench are decent.
He has Wes, Yvette and Bridget. All confident media performers. And Ed, though hated by those who will still be insisting next Monday’s 36C in London off the back of a truly mediocre synoptic pattern is a mere bagatelle, has his own charisma and is on top of his brief. Johnny Reynolds is a good business secretary and could move to the treasury. Ange is solid. Lammy seems to divide opinion but I have a soft spot for him. Probably Starmer needs just one or two more.
None is a leader in waiting either. I don’t think Streeting is quite ready. Otherwise not an obvious Jenrick or Boris type waiting in the wings.
Just like Reform. No obvious succession.
Contrast with the Lib Dems where Daisy Cooper is poised, trained up and ready to assume the mantle (just not yet, says Davey).
But this ex-DFDS ship has dozens of ways to eat and drink, with a cocktail bar, night club, wine bar, table service Scandinavian restaurant, Italian restaurant, English style pub, and a lavish Scandinavian eat-as-much-as-you-want while drinking €10 glasses of wine buffet restaurant, from which I have just returned; no wonder DFDS is so often awarded ‘ferry operator of the year’.
(I had to look up who was PM then, and thank god I did, as my guess would have had me standing in the corner!)
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On problems with peripherals: I learned from experience that one should -- usually -- check the connection between the computer and the peripheral first.
classPMQs.Bring back Cameron and Nick Clegg to reprise their coalition
I would vote for that