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Reform or rebrand: Who is really gaining power in local government? – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,541
edited June 26 in General
Reform or rebrand: Who is really gaining power in local government? – politicalbetting.com

Gareth’s excellent recent PB header “The Challenge for … Reform” suggested that running local councils could give the party valuable executive experience. But does this influx of Reform Councillors actually bring “outsiders” into the system? Or does it just offer “insiders” a new ladder to climb?

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  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,662
    edited June 26
    A very good point, and I guess the answer lies in the proportions. The Warwickshire guy who just gave up had a long involvement, I think, too.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,617
    A surprisingly informative header, and no mention of the Laffer Curve.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,952
    edited June 26
    As mentioned earlier Warwickshire council is now being led by 18 year old George Finch of RefUK as part of a minority administration.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93knke95peo
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,701
    A very interesting observation.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,909
    Nice header! Can we get more by this interesting writer?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,647
    Whilst this is a potential source of criticism of Reform, it’s on balance quite positive for them for two reasons:

    1. They get councillors who actually know what they’re going and have some experience of local government, and mitigate the risk of early disasters
    2. It’s a sign of success (or of Tory failure). Rats leaving the sinking ship etc.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,013
    edited June 26
    7th .. like the SNP ?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,617
    edited June 26

    Fair play to him.

    Tory MP Takes Swipe At Kemi Badenoch For Attacking Starmer Over PMQs Absence

    Mark Pritchard said: "I may get the party whip withdrawn for saying it, but so be it."


    A senior Tory MP has taken an astonishing swipe at Kemi Badenoch after she accused Keir Starmer of dodging prime minister’s questions.

    The opposition leader said Starmer had “evaded” PMQs for the last two weeks, when he has been attending the G7 and Nato summits abroad.

    In response, a clearly-angry PM accused Badenoch of being “unserious” at a time of huge global instability.

    He said: “There’s never been a more important time to work with our allies and to be absolutely serious in our response. That response was unserious. Unserious.

    “To suggest at a time like this that the prime minister attending the G7 summit and the Nato summit is avoiding PMQs is unserious.”

    Later during the same Commons debate, Mark Pritchard, the Conservative MP for The Wrekin, attacked his own leader over her comments.

    He said: “Whilst we may disagree on the detail, can I agree with the prime minister that as far as possible in this place, it would be best to keep partisan politics out of national security issues.

    “Who knows, I may get the party whip withdrawn for saying it, but so be it. There are things that go beyond party politics.”


    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tory-mp-takes-swipe-at-kemi-badenoch-for-attacking-starmer-over-pmqs-absence_uk_685d30ece4b0c601d5a1eeb7

    No wonder Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick will do a better job than Kemi.

    Dave has been wrong before mind. Although I can't remember in what context, something about a binary "yes" or "no" question.

    As the World burns Jenrick has been making more disingenuous videos.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,216

    Fair play to him.

    Tory MP Takes Swipe At Kemi Badenoch For Attacking Starmer Over PMQs Absence

    Mark Pritchard said: "I may get the party whip withdrawn for saying it, but so be it."


    A senior Tory MP has taken an astonishing swipe at Kemi Badenoch after she accused Keir Starmer of dodging prime minister’s questions.

    The opposition leader said Starmer had “evaded” PMQs for the last two weeks, when he has been attending the G7 and Nato summits abroad.

    In response, a clearly-angry PM accused Badenoch of being “unserious” at a time of huge global instability.

    He said: “There’s never been a more important time to work with our allies and to be absolutely serious in our response. That response was unserious. Unserious.

    “To suggest at a time like this that the prime minister attending the G7 summit and the Nato summit is avoiding PMQs is unserious.”

    Later during the same Commons debate, Mark Pritchard, the Conservative MP for The Wrekin, attacked his own leader over her comments.

    He said: “Whilst we may disagree on the detail, can I agree with the prime minister that as far as possible in this place, it would be best to keep partisan politics out of national security issues.

    “Who knows, I may get the party whip withdrawn for saying it, but so be it. There are things that go beyond party politics.”


    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tory-mp-takes-swipe-at-kemi-badenoch-for-attacking-starmer-over-pmqs-absence_uk_685d30ece4b0c601d5a1eeb7

    No wonder Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick will do a better job than Kemi.

    Kemi has just turned out to be a bit shit. Jenrick would at least get the Tories back in the public eye, positively or negatively that's at least something they could do.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,511
    Great header BR and you're absolutely right. If you are ambitious, go join Reform.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,427
    MaxPB said:

    Fair play to him.

    Tory MP Takes Swipe At Kemi Badenoch For Attacking Starmer Over PMQs Absence

    Mark Pritchard said: "I may get the party whip withdrawn for saying it, but so be it."


    A senior Tory MP has taken an astonishing swipe at Kemi Badenoch after she accused Keir Starmer of dodging prime minister’s questions.

    The opposition leader said Starmer had “evaded” PMQs for the last two weeks, when he has been attending the G7 and Nato summits abroad.

    In response, a clearly-angry PM accused Badenoch of being “unserious” at a time of huge global instability.

    He said: “There’s never been a more important time to work with our allies and to be absolutely serious in our response. That response was unserious. Unserious.

    “To suggest at a time like this that the prime minister attending the G7 summit and the Nato summit is avoiding PMQs is unserious.”

    Later during the same Commons debate, Mark Pritchard, the Conservative MP for The Wrekin, attacked his own leader over her comments.

    He said: “Whilst we may disagree on the detail, can I agree with the prime minister that as far as possible in this place, it would be best to keep partisan politics out of national security issues.

    “Who knows, I may get the party whip withdrawn for saying it, but so be it. There are things that go beyond party politics.”


    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tory-mp-takes-swipe-at-kemi-badenoch-for-attacking-starmer-over-pmqs-absence_uk_685d30ece4b0c601d5a1eeb7

    No wonder Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick will do a better job than Kemi.

    Kemi has just turned out to be a bit shit. Jenrick would at least get the Tories back in the public eye, positively or negatively that's at least something they could do.
    I agree.

    Jenrick has an eye for getting himself noticed. He's also managed to identify areas where Britain isn't working, and get some publicity around how Labour's not dealing with said issues.

    His only issue is that pretty much all of these (like fare dodging) were true under the Tories too.

    But if the question is "would the Tories be doing better under Jenrick?", then the answer is a clear "yes".
  • The_WoodpeckerThe_Woodpecker Posts: 499
    Good header @BartholomewRoberts
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,101
    MaxPB said:

    Fair play to him.

    Tory MP Takes Swipe At Kemi Badenoch For Attacking Starmer Over PMQs Absence

    Mark Pritchard said: "I may get the party whip withdrawn for saying it, but so be it."


    A senior Tory MP has taken an astonishing swipe at Kemi Badenoch after she accused Keir Starmer of dodging prime minister’s questions.

    The opposition leader said Starmer had “evaded” PMQs for the last two weeks, when he has been attending the G7 and Nato summits abroad.

    In response, a clearly-angry PM accused Badenoch of being “unserious” at a time of huge global instability.

    He said: “There’s never been a more important time to work with our allies and to be absolutely serious in our response. That response was unserious. Unserious.

    “To suggest at a time like this that the prime minister attending the G7 summit and the Nato summit is avoiding PMQs is unserious.”

    Later during the same Commons debate, Mark Pritchard, the Conservative MP for The Wrekin, attacked his own leader over her comments.

    He said: “Whilst we may disagree on the detail, can I agree with the prime minister that as far as possible in this place, it would be best to keep partisan politics out of national security issues.

    “Who knows, I may get the party whip withdrawn for saying it, but so be it. There are things that go beyond party politics.”


    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tory-mp-takes-swipe-at-kemi-badenoch-for-attacking-starmer-over-pmqs-absence_uk_685d30ece4b0c601d5a1eeb7

    No wonder Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick will do a better job than Kemi.

    Kemi has just turned out to be a bit shit. Jenrick would at least get the Tories back in the public eye, positively or negatively that's at least something they could do.
    Would Jenrick have been partisan or serious on this particular issue?
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 373

    Fair play to him.

    Tory MP Takes Swipe At Kemi Badenoch For Attacking Starmer Over PMQs Absence

    Mark Pritchard said: "I may get the party whip withdrawn for saying it, but so be it."


    A senior Tory MP has taken an astonishing swipe at Kemi Badenoch after she accused Keir Starmer of dodging prime minister’s questions.

    The opposition leader said Starmer had “evaded” PMQs for the last two weeks, when he has been attending the G7 and Nato summits abroad.

    In response, a clearly-angry PM accused Badenoch of being “unserious” at a time of huge global instability.

    He said: “There’s never been a more important time to work with our allies and to be absolutely serious in our response. That response was unserious. Unserious.

    “To suggest at a time like this that the prime minister attending the G7 summit and the Nato summit is avoiding PMQs is unserious.”

    Later during the same Commons debate, Mark Pritchard, the Conservative MP for The Wrekin, attacked his own leader over her comments.

    He said: “Whilst we may disagree on the detail, can I agree with the prime minister that as far as possible in this place, it would be best to keep partisan politics out of national security issues.

    “Who knows, I may get the party whip withdrawn for saying it, but so be it. There are things that go beyond party politics.”


    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tory-mp-takes-swipe-at-kemi-badenoch-for-attacking-starmer-over-pmqs-absence_uk_685d30ece4b0c601d5a1eeb7

    No wonder Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick will do a better job than Kemi.

    Dave has been wrong before mind. Although I can't remember in what context, something about a binary "yes" or "no" question.

    As the World burns Jenrick has been making more disingenuous videos.
    On the subject of Dave Cameron, I came across the following snippet in Wikipedia earlier today. It's by Jeff Randall, erstwhile BBC Economics Correspondent and former Mail and Telegraph City columnist.....

    Writing for The Daily Telegraph at the time of the 2005 Conservative Party leadership election, Randall said he would not trust David Cameron "with my daughter's pocket money. To describe Cameron's approach to corporate PR as unhelpful and evasive overstates by a widish margin the clarity and plain-speaking that he brought to the job of being Michael Green's mouthpiece. [...] In my experience, Cameron never gave a straight answer when dissemblance was a plausible alternative, which probably makes him perfectly suited for the role he now seeks: the next Tony Blair."

    Maybe you have seen it before, but it came as a bit of a surprise to me.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,234
    Andy_JS said:

    As mentioned earlier Warwickshire council is now being led by 18 year old George Finch of RefUK as part of a minority administration.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93knke95peo

    Yet could pass for a mere 45.
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 373

    Great header BR and you're absolutely right. If you are ambitious, go join Reform.

    I suppose in much the same way that erstwhile Liberals joined Labour or the Conservatives between 1920 and 1955. It's seen as a vehicle which is going somewhere, and it might be worthwhile getting on board to find out where.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,997
    Or Linden Kemkaran, their leader in Kent. Conservative candidate in Bradford East in 2019. Not totally shocking- Reform need people with at least some political experience to run things, and the biggest source of those is bound to be people who used to be on the right of the Conservative party.

    But it also exemplifies the point Orwell made in the Book inside 1984; revolutions tend to be the frustrated second-tier elite overthrowing the very top-tier elite. The proles are to be comandeered and then dumped as convenient.

    This is going to be the challenge for Reform in winning the Red Wall.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,617
    MaxPB said:

    Fair play to him.

    Tory MP Takes Swipe At Kemi Badenoch For Attacking Starmer Over PMQs Absence

    Mark Pritchard said: "I may get the party whip withdrawn for saying it, but so be it."


    A senior Tory MP has taken an astonishing swipe at Kemi Badenoch after she accused Keir Starmer of dodging prime minister’s questions.

    The opposition leader said Starmer had “evaded” PMQs for the last two weeks, when he has been attending the G7 and Nato summits abroad.

    In response, a clearly-angry PM accused Badenoch of being “unserious” at a time of huge global instability.

    He said: “There’s never been a more important time to work with our allies and to be absolutely serious in our response. That response was unserious. Unserious.

    “To suggest at a time like this that the prime minister attending the G7 summit and the Nato summit is avoiding PMQs is unserious.”

    Later during the same Commons debate, Mark Pritchard, the Conservative MP for The Wrekin, attacked his own leader over her comments.

    He said: “Whilst we may disagree on the detail, can I agree with the prime minister that as far as possible in this place, it would be best to keep partisan politics out of national security issues.

    “Who knows, I may get the party whip withdrawn for saying it, but so be it. There are things that go beyond party politics.”


    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tory-mp-takes-swipe-at-kemi-badenoch-for-attacking-starmer-over-pmqs-absence_uk_685d30ece4b0c601d5a1eeb7

    No wonder Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick will do a better job than Kemi.

    Kemi has just turned out to be a bit shit. Jenrick would at least get the Tories back in the public eye, positively or negatively that's at least something they could do.
    Perhaps with an eye on the Liz Truss debacle this is what BobbyJ. has to say on the subject of Liberal Democrats.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/jenrick-puts-the-lib-dems-on-notice/
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,911

    MaxPB said:

    Fair play to him.

    Tory MP Takes Swipe At Kemi Badenoch For Attacking Starmer Over PMQs Absence

    Mark Pritchard said: "I may get the party whip withdrawn for saying it, but so be it."


    A senior Tory MP has taken an astonishing swipe at Kemi Badenoch after she accused Keir Starmer of dodging prime minister’s questions.

    The opposition leader said Starmer had “evaded” PMQs for the last two weeks, when he has been attending the G7 and Nato summits abroad.

    In response, a clearly-angry PM accused Badenoch of being “unserious” at a time of huge global instability.

    He said: “There’s never been a more important time to work with our allies and to be absolutely serious in our response. That response was unserious. Unserious.

    “To suggest at a time like this that the prime minister attending the G7 summit and the Nato summit is avoiding PMQs is unserious.”

    Later during the same Commons debate, Mark Pritchard, the Conservative MP for The Wrekin, attacked his own leader over her comments.

    He said: “Whilst we may disagree on the detail, can I agree with the prime minister that as far as possible in this place, it would be best to keep partisan politics out of national security issues.

    “Who knows, I may get the party whip withdrawn for saying it, but so be it. There are things that go beyond party politics.”


    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tory-mp-takes-swipe-at-kemi-badenoch-for-attacking-starmer-over-pmqs-absence_uk_685d30ece4b0c601d5a1eeb7

    No wonder Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick will do a better job than Kemi.

    Kemi has just turned out to be a bit shit. Jenrick would at least get the Tories back in the public eye, positively or negatively that's at least something they could do.
    Perhaps with an eye on the Liz Truss debacle this is what BobbyJ. has to say on the subject of Liberal Democrats.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/jenrick-puts-the-lib-dems-on-notice/
    A firewall against extremism.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,617

    MaxPB said:

    Fair play to him.

    Tory MP Takes Swipe At Kemi Badenoch For Attacking Starmer Over PMQs Absence

    Mark Pritchard said: "I may get the party whip withdrawn for saying it, but so be it."


    A senior Tory MP has taken an astonishing swipe at Kemi Badenoch after she accused Keir Starmer of dodging prime minister’s questions.

    The opposition leader said Starmer had “evaded” PMQs for the last two weeks, when he has been attending the G7 and Nato summits abroad.

    In response, a clearly-angry PM accused Badenoch of being “unserious” at a time of huge global instability.

    He said: “There’s never been a more important time to work with our allies and to be absolutely serious in our response. That response was unserious. Unserious.

    “To suggest at a time like this that the prime minister attending the G7 summit and the Nato summit is avoiding PMQs is unserious.”

    Later during the same Commons debate, Mark Pritchard, the Conservative MP for The Wrekin, attacked his own leader over her comments.

    He said: “Whilst we may disagree on the detail, can I agree with the prime minister that as far as possible in this place, it would be best to keep partisan politics out of national security issues.

    “Who knows, I may get the party whip withdrawn for saying it, but so be it. There are things that go beyond party politics.”


    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/tory-mp-takes-swipe-at-kemi-badenoch-for-attacking-starmer-over-pmqs-absence_uk_685d30ece4b0c601d5a1eeb7

    No wonder Dave (pbuh) thinks Jenrick will do a better job than Kemi.

    Kemi has just turned out to be a bit shit. Jenrick would at least get the Tories back in the public eye, positively or negatively that's at least something they could do.
    Would Jenrick have been partisan or serious on this particular issue?
    Partisan.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,484
    Honestly, I despair of Labour.

    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky

    "We are hugely surprised and bitterly disappointed," says the chair of Xlinks, the company planning an undersea power link between the UK and Morocco, after the UK govt refused to offer it a contracts for difference deal.
    Story first broken by @MarkKleinmanSky
    earlier today 👇
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,811
    Voters wanting something new simply landing themselves with tired Tory retreads? Well I never.

    Only six pet cabins on the Oslo ferry, but they’ve decently given them all outside views, which is a first. So me and the dog can watch the Danish coast slip by.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,013
    edited June 26
    It's a good concept that this is a "reshuffle". I put some early numbers on these in the comments back in early May. There are former other party councillors, former opposition councillors, and former candidates who were not elected).

    It's back to crucial dependence on the quality of the people in local government.

    Looking at Council Leaders in the 6 I try and track a little, it looks like 6 from 6 are retreads of one sort or another (4 Tory, 1 indy, 1 lab) and 5 have been Cllrs or stood in election; all have been in some aspect of politics:

    - Mick Barton in Notts (ex-Mansfield Indy long run Councillor as you say),
    - Linden Kemkaran in Kent (former Con council candidate who was not elected),
    - Alan Graves in Derbyshire (Labour Councillor 1995 to I think 2008, and UKIP, BXP and RefUK since)
    - Dan Harrison in Leics (Con Councillor 2017 to 2024)
    - Ian Cooper in Staffs, no known Council history to me other than standing for RefUK in Tamworth. Spent a decade working for Ken Clarke.
    - Sean Matthews in Lincs, former Conservative Party branch chair, stood as Cllr in 2019, left as BoJo and Truss too left wing.

    In Councillors (not leaders), how many rough edges have the decent number of exits removed?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,555

    Honestly, I despair of Labour.

    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky

    "We are hugely surprised and bitterly disappointed," says the chair of Xlinks, the company planning an undersea power link between the UK and Morocco, after the UK govt refused to offer it a contracts for difference deal.
    Story first broken by @MarkKleinmanSky
    earlier today 👇

    How many tens of billions for the complete waste of time that is carbon capture, and nothing for this that would actually provide a useful benefit.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,715

    Honestly, I despair of Labour.

    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky

    "We are hugely surprised and bitterly disappointed," says the chair of Xlinks, the company planning an undersea power link between the UK and Morocco, after the UK govt refused to offer it a contracts for difference deal.
    Story first broken by @MarkKleinmanSky
    earlier today 👇

    That project does feel a bit uncomfortable. Why sell the power to the UK rather than Spain?

    Perhaps it's all very sensible, but I can understand it being a tricky sell.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,555
    Omnium said:

    Honestly, I despair of Labour.

    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky

    "We are hugely surprised and bitterly disappointed," says the chair of Xlinks, the company planning an undersea power link between the UK and Morocco, after the UK govt refused to offer it a contracts for difference deal.
    Story first broken by @MarkKleinmanSky
    earlier today 👇

    That project does feel a bit uncomfortable. Why sell the power to the UK rather than Spain?

    Perhaps it's all very sensible, but I can understand it being a tricky sell.
    Sunny enough in Spain that they don't have to bother going to the Sahara for their solar power.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,696

    Honestly, I despair of Labour.

    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky

    "We are hugely surprised and bitterly disappointed," says the chair of Xlinks, the company planning an undersea power link between the UK and Morocco, after the UK govt refused to offer it a contracts for difference deal.
    Story first broken by @MarkKleinmanSky
    earlier today 👇

    Odd for Miliband tbh, thought this would be right up his street.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,169
    IanB2 said:

    Voters wanting something new simply landing themselves with tired Tory retreads? Well I never.

    Only six pet cabins on the Oslo ferry, but they’ve decently given them all outside views, which is a first. So me and the dog can watch the Danish coast slip by.

    Have Go Nordic Cruiseline taken over this route from DFDS yet?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,647
    Pulpstar said:

    Honestly, I despair of Labour.

    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky

    "We are hugely surprised and bitterly disappointed," says the chair of Xlinks, the company planning an undersea power link between the UK and Morocco, after the UK govt refused to offer it a contracts for difference deal.
    Story first broken by @MarkKleinmanSky
    earlier today 👇

    Odd for Miliband tbh, thought this would be right up his street.
    Might be a question of cost, and possibly the start of a negotiation.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,997
    edited June 26
    RobD said:

    Omnium said:

    Honestly, I despair of Labour.

    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky

    "We are hugely surprised and bitterly disappointed," says the chair of Xlinks, the company planning an undersea power link between the UK and Morocco, after the UK govt refused to offer it a contracts for difference deal.
    Story first broken by @MarkKleinmanSky
    earlier today 👇

    That project does feel a bit uncomfortable. Why sell the power to the UK rather than Spain?

    Perhaps it's all very sensible, but I can understand it being a tricky sell.
    Sunny enough in Spain that they don't have to bother going to the Sahara for their solar power.
    Also, the grid links between Iberia and the rest of mainland Europe across the Pyrenees are pretty thin. One of the reasons for the recent corte de corriente.

    And possibly a bit overtaken by events as a business plan. When the panels were expensive (not that long ago), it was important to put them where there was most sun, even if you had the hassle and cost of getting the electricity to where it was going to be used. Now that they are as cheap as chips, it probably makes more sense to put them near to the place of consumption, even if you get less electricity per panel.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,715
    RobD said:

    Omnium said:

    Honestly, I despair of Labour.

    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky

    "We are hugely surprised and bitterly disappointed," says the chair of Xlinks, the company planning an undersea power link between the UK and Morocco, after the UK govt refused to offer it a contracts for difference deal.
    Story first broken by @MarkKleinmanSky
    earlier today 👇

    That project does feel a bit uncomfortable. Why sell the power to the UK rather than Spain?

    Perhaps it's all very sensible, but I can understand it being a tricky sell.
    Sunny enough in Spain that they don't have to bother going to the Sahara for their solar power.
    Sure, but if there was vast excess generation capacity in Spain then why build more in Morocco?

    As I said it just feels a bit wrong at first sight. (As a business)

  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,598
    Omnium said:

    RobD said:

    Omnium said:

    Honestly, I despair of Labour.

    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky

    "We are hugely surprised and bitterly disappointed," says the chair of Xlinks, the company planning an undersea power link between the UK and Morocco, after the UK govt refused to offer it a contracts for difference deal.
    Story first broken by @MarkKleinmanSky
    earlier today 👇

    That project does feel a bit uncomfortable. Why sell the power to the UK rather than Spain?

    Perhaps it's all very sensible, but I can understand it being a tricky sell.
    Sunny enough in Spain that they don't have to bother going to the Sahara for their solar power.
    Sure, but if there was vast excess generation capacity in Spain then why build more in Morocco?

    As I said it just feels a bit wrong at first sight. (As a business)

    “If you build it they will come”
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,013
    edited June 26
    Omnium said:

    Honestly, I despair of Labour.

    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky

    "We are hugely surprised and bitterly disappointed," says the chair of Xlinks, the company planning an undersea power link between the UK and Morocco, after the UK govt refused to offer it a contracts for difference deal.
    Story first broken by @MarkKleinmanSky
    earlier today 👇

    That project does feel a bit uncomfortable. Why sell the power to the UK rather than Spain?

    Perhaps it's all very sensible, but I can understand it being a tricky sell.
    One of the main partners is Octopus.

    It seems possibly a foolish decision to "stick to the letter", since they are well-funded, and it is private funding. £25bn project with nominal capacity of 11.5 GW, and battery storage included. If there is backing for the big nuclear, this might also be sensible as it is some way down the track afaics.

    Reportedly it was a Miliband decision, and because he wanted a focus on "home grown renewables". Given how much planning they have in place, and that it is hundreds of square miles of solar in Morocco, that seems silly and petulent.

    https://www.4coffshore.com/news/uk-energy-minister-throws-out-a325bn-xlinks-plan-in-favour-of-27homegrown27-renewables-nid31386.html
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,715

    Omnium said:

    RobD said:

    Omnium said:

    Honestly, I despair of Labour.

    Ed Conway
    @EdConwaySky

    "We are hugely surprised and bitterly disappointed," says the chair of Xlinks, the company planning an undersea power link between the UK and Morocco, after the UK govt refused to offer it a contracts for difference deal.
    Story first broken by @MarkKleinmanSky
    earlier today 👇

    That project does feel a bit uncomfortable. Why sell the power to the UK rather than Spain?

    Perhaps it's all very sensible, but I can understand it being a tricky sell.
    Sunny enough in Spain that they don't have to bother going to the Sahara for their solar power.
    Sure, but if there was vast excess generation capacity in Spain then why build more in Morocco?

    As I said it just feels a bit wrong at first sight. (As a business)

    “If you build it they will come”
    Yes, a catchy idea that has ruined many.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,911
    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,101
    MattW said:

    It's a good concept that this is a "reshuffle". I put some early numbers on these in the comments back in early May. There are former other party councillors, former opposition councillors, and former candidates who were not elected).

    It's back to crucial dependence on the quality of the people in local government.

    Looking at Council Leaders in the 6 I try and track a little, it looks like 6 from 6 are retreads of one sort or another (4 Tory, 1 indy, 1 lab) and 5 have been Cllrs or stood in election; all have been in some aspect of politics:

    - Mick Barton in Notts (ex-Mansfield Indy long run Councillor as you say),
    - Linden Kemkaran in Kent (former Con council candidate who was not elected),
    - Alan Graves in Derbyshire (Labour Councillor 1995 to I think 2008, and UKIP, BXP and RefUK since)
    - Dan Harrison in Leics (Con Councillor 2017 to 2024)
    - Ian Cooper in Staffs, no known Council history to me other than standing for RefUK in Tamworth. Spent a decade working for Ken Clarke.
    - Sean Matthews in Lincs, former Conservative Party branch chair, stood as Cllr in 2019, left as BoJo and Truss too left wing.

    In Councillors (not leaders), how many rough edges have the decent number of exits removed?

    One advantage for Reform with these "re-treads" is that the other parties (or independent groups) will have already done the vetting for them with regard to "unfortunate" social media history.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,075
    @cnn.com‬

    Trump Mobile, the wireless service provider and phone company launched by the Trump Organization, no longer promises on its website that its upcoming smartphone will be made in America.

    https://bsky.app/profile/cnn.com/post/3lsjh3mpqws27
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,059

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    Worst PM ever. Worst Chancellor ever. Nastiest 'human being' at DWP ever.
    Dream team
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,715

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    What sort of MP is reduced to tears over a half-hearted bill?

    (Rhetorical question. Obviously it's the earth mover ghastly sort)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,987
    edited June 26

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    Snowflakes. I bet this "shouting" will be like claims of horrendous abuse by the Raab for looking funny at people and asking them to redo their homework without the mistakes i.e. shouting = he spoke in a slightly louder and grumpy tone.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,059

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    Snowflakes. I bet this "shouting" will be like claims of horrendous abuse by the Raab for looking funny at people and asking them to redo their homework without the mistakes i.e. shouting = he spoke in a slightly louder and grumpy tone.
    It will have been McWeenie and he will have shouted like the tosser he is
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,987
    edited June 26

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    Snowflakes. I bet this "shouting" will be like claims of horrendous abuse by the Raab for looking funny at people and asking them to redo their homework without the mistakes i.e. shouting = he spoke in a slightly louder and grumpy tone.
    It will have been McWeenie and he will have shouted like the tosser he is
    I have become very sceptical of these claims now. They were made against basically every Tory minister when people weren't getting their way, it feels like the default I am not getting my way so we brief the media they were horrid bullies, shouting and stuff, and it was so traumatising, I have PTSD now.

    I am not exactly Starmer's biggest fan, but I doubt he is even in the same universe as Gordon Brown and Bad Al for bad behaviour.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,059

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    Snowflakes. I bet this "shouting" will be like claims of horrendous abuse by the Raab for looking funny at people and asking them to redo their homework without the mistakes i.e. shouting = he spoke in a slightly louder and grumpy tone.
    It will have been McWeenie and he will have shouted like the tosser he is
    I have become very sceptical of these claims now. They were made against basically every Tory minister when people weren't getting their way, it feels like the default I am not getting my way so we brief the media they were horrid bullies, shouting and stuff, and it was so traumatising, I have PTSD now.
    Both are possible
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,617

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    Snowflakes. I bet this "shouting" will be like claims of horrendous abuse by the Raab for looking funny at people and asking them to redo their homework without the mistakes i.e. shouting = he spoke in a slightly louder and grumpy tone.
    Raab was an arse, and this appears to be as inappropriate. Shouting at subordinates because one can is very 1970s.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,617

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    Worst PM ever. Worst Chancellor ever. Nastiest 'human being' at DWP ever.
    Dream team
    Silliest poster ever. You are not remotely partisan are you? Third worst Prime Minister please. Johnson and Truss are waving.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,987
    edited June 26

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    Snowflakes. I bet this "shouting" will be like claims of horrendous abuse by the Raab for looking funny at people and asking them to redo their homework without the mistakes i.e. shouting = he spoke in a slightly louder and grumpy tone.
    Raab was an arse, and this appears to be as inappropriate. Shouting at subordinates because one can is very 1970s.
    But most of what was briefed the media about Raab wasn't true all the stuff of him being this absolute monster chucking stuff around etc. He basically wasn't a very good a leading a team, but all the serious claims of bullying were nonsense. Poor management style in some respects, but also he was clearly very frustrated by sloppy work and one individual who it was claimed tried to sabotage things.

    And then it of course moved on to people, where bullying was they phoned somebody up once, while they were supposedly working from home, to ask a question. Or Rees-Mogg was a bit of an arse with his silly cards that he did once.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,911

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    Snowflakes. I bet this "shouting" will be like claims of horrendous abuse by the Raab for looking funny at people and asking them to redo their homework without the mistakes i.e. shouting = he spoke in a slightly louder and grumpy tone.
    Raab was an arse, and this appears to be as inappropriate. Shouting at subordinates because one can is very 1970s.
    We were warned:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-13762783/PRITI-PATEL-Five-years-Sir-Keir-Starmer-charge-50-years-1970s.html

    PRITI PATEL: Five years of Sir Keir Starmer in charge will take us back 50 years to the 1970s
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,715

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    Snowflakes. I bet this "shouting" will be like claims of horrendous abuse by the Raab for looking funny at people and asking them to redo their homework without the mistakes i.e. shouting = he spoke in a slightly louder and grumpy tone.
    Raab was an arse, and this appears to be as inappropriate. Shouting at subordinates because one can is very 1970s.
    But most of what was briefed the media about Raab wasn't true all the stuff of him being this monster chucking stuff around etc. He basically wasn't a very good a leading a team, but all the serious claims of bullying were nonsense.
    When you manage a team you have to deal with not only you, yourself, being an arse, but all of the team being so too.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,059
    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/1938231373849854013?s=19

    I am not remotely surprised that Labour lead with the sort of absolute arse that has that twee shit on their wall
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,617

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    Snowflakes. I bet this "shouting" will be like claims of horrendous abuse by the Raab for looking funny at people and asking them to redo their homework without the mistakes i.e. shouting = he spoke in a slightly louder and grumpy tone.
    Raab was an arse, and this appears to be as inappropriate. Shouting at subordinates because one can is very 1970s.
    But most of what was briefed the media about Raab wasn't true all the stuff of him being this absolute monster chucking stuff around etc. He basically wasn't a very good a leading a team, but all the serious claims of bullying were nonsense.

    And then it of coursed moved on to people, where bullying was they phoned somebody up once while they were supposedly working from home to ask a question.
    I'll take your word he's a great guy. That doesn't deflect from senior Labour figures bullying MPs.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,059
    edited June 26

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    Worst PM ever. Worst Chancellor ever. Nastiest 'human being' at DWP ever.
    Dream team
    Silliest poster ever. You are not remotely partisan are you? Third worst Prime Minister please. Johnson and Truss are waving.
    Im utterly partisan when it comes to Labour. They are total dirt.
    Truss wasn't around long enough to register. Johnson..... he has funny hair and says Latin things
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,292
    I for one am absolutely stunned - literally shaken to the core with horrified surprise - to discover that my printer has stopped working
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,762

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    Snowflakes. I bet this "shouting" will be like claims of horrendous abuse by the Raab for looking funny at people and asking them to redo their homework without the mistakes i.e. shouting = he spoke in a slightly louder and grumpy tone.
    Raab was an arse, and this appears to be as inappropriate. Shouting at subordinates because one can is very 1970s.
    We were warned:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-13762783/PRITI-PATEL-Five-years-Sir-Keir-Starmer-charge-50-years-1970s.html

    PRITI PATEL: Five years of Sir Keir Starmer in charge will take us back 50 years to the 1970s
    Hang on, isn't that precisely what the Conservatives have been trying to inflict on us?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,715
    Leon said:

    I for one am absolutely stunned - literally shaken to the core with horrified surprise - to discover that my printer has stopped working

    Was it supplied by your editor?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,292
    Has any other PBer ever had this insane, unexpected problem? A printer not working?

    I am numb with disbelief and a kind of terror
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,617

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    Worst PM ever. Worst Chancellor ever. Nastiest 'human being' at DWP ever.
    Dream team
    Silliest poster ever. You are not remotely partisan are you? Third worst Prime Minister please. Johnson and Truss are waving.
    Im utterly partisan when it comes to Labour. They are total dirt.
    This is how some of us felt when your party's appalling Johnson sold the nation down the river to become PM and then once in Downing Street took us all for clowns to be ridiculed. A year of what you feel you have had to put up with doesn't come close to the chaos that clown and his immediate successor created, certainly since 2019. I'd suggest three years prior.

    Perhaps a little more circumspection is in order.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,598
    Leon said:

    I for one am absolutely stunned - literally shaken to the core with horrified surprise - to discover that my printer has stopped working

    The same thing has just happened to your stalker. Weird.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,715
    Leon said:

    Has any other PBer ever had this insane, unexpected problem? A printer not working?

    I am numb with disbelief and a kind of terror

    I've always just bought new printers when the ink runs out. It's far cheaper.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,059
    Leon said:

    Has any other PBer ever had this insane, unexpected problem? A printer not working?

    I am numb with disbelief and a kind of terror

    I used to go to lunch early if the toner went on the office printer. Im not getting into technical fixing stuff adventures.
    And lunch at 8.57 is cool
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,334
    Omnium said:

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    What sort of MP is reduced to tears over a half-hearted bill?

    (Rhetorical question. Obviously it's the earth mover ghastly sort)
    I’ve noticed an unfortunate trend of MPs turning on the waterworks whilst recounting their personal stories in Parliament during debates (and to be fair it seems to have crept into Lords debates too).

    It’s really painfully pathetic to be honest. Maybe less time on the feels and more on detail and solutions would achieve an improved country.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,292
    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Has any other PBer ever had this insane, unexpected problem? A printer not working?

    I am numb with disbelief and a kind of terror

    I've always just bought new printers when the ink runs out. It's far cheaper.
    Lol. That's basically what I do
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,617
    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Has any other PBer ever had this insane, unexpected problem? A printer not working?

    I am numb with disbelief and a kind of terror

    I've always just bought new printers when the ink runs out. It's far cheaper.
    Thank you for that nugget Rachel.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,997

    Omnium said:

    Leon said:

    Has any other PBer ever had this insane, unexpected problem? A printer not working?

    I am numb with disbelief and a kind of terror

    I've always just bought new printers when the ink runs out. It's far cheaper.
    Thank you for that nugget Rachel.
    Dunno about Reeves, but it is basically the logic the British government has used in my entire lifetime. Buy cheap, someone else can buy again after the next election.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,059

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    Worst PM ever. Worst Chancellor ever. Nastiest 'human being' at DWP ever.
    Dream team
    Silliest poster ever. You are not remotely partisan are you? Third worst Prime Minister please. Johnson and Truss are waving.
    Im utterly partisan when it comes to Labour. They are total dirt.
    This is how some of us felt when your party's appalling Johnson sold the nation down the river to become PM and then once in Downing Street took us all for clowns to be ridiculed. A year of what you feel you have had to put up with doesn't come close to the chaos that clown and his immediate successor created, certainly since 2019. I'd suggest three years prior.

    Perhaps a little more circumspection is in order.
    Nah. Im good, thanks. Im not going to start basing my prejudices on your experiences, that's Borg level shit
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,266
    viewcode said:

    Nice header! Can we get more by this interesting writer?

    As I think I've said before, @BartholomewRoberts is more measured above the line than below, and better for it. Well done, Barty.
    As someone who’s been accused by him of being a Putinist and Iranian apologist, 🙄, for merely a different view I have to concur.

    It’s a short, well Put together, thought provok8ng piece.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,715
    boulay said:

    Omnium said:

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    What sort of MP is reduced to tears over a half-hearted bill?

    (Rhetorical question. Obviously it's the earth mover ghastly sort)
    I’ve noticed an unfortunate trend of MPs turning on the waterworks whilst recounting their personal stories in Parliament during debates (and to be fair it seems to have crept into Lords debates too).

    It’s really painfully pathetic to be honest. Maybe less time on the feels and more on detail and solutions would achieve an improved country.
    All MPs have a very soft and sensitive side now.

    In no sense do I wish to undermine anyone that has a soft and sensitive side, but I can't really see that belly-up is the right position for an MP to choose when being elected or otherwise thereafter.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,987
    edited June 26
    What's a printer? Is this something one buys with cash?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,292
    The average domestic printer is a good objective correlative for the British government since about 2005
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,620
    https://johnmajorarchive.org.uk/2025/06/26/sir-john-majors-speech-at-the-sir-edward-heath-annual-lecture/

    This speech from John Major is well worth reading. A reminder of a saner age in centre-right politics.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,811
    sarissa said:

    IanB2 said:

    Voters wanting something new simply landing themselves with tired Tory retreads? Well I never.

    Only six pet cabins on the Oslo ferry, but they’ve decently given them all outside views, which is a first. So me and the dog can watch the Danish coast slip by.

    Have Go Nordic Cruiseline taken over this route from DFDS yet?
    Gotlandsbolaget are running the ship but DFDS is still doing the ticketing and sales
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,422
    "Weight loss jabs study begins after reports of pancreas issues"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ged0r1n3wo

    As a layman, it doesn't look too serious on the scale of these things. Can anyone offer an informed opinion?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,013
    Leon said:

    Has any other PBer ever had this insane, unexpected problem? A printer not working?

    I am numb with disbelief and a kind of terror

    I use the spare, which may not help. But mine only go down after about 6 years usually.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,811

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    Worst PM ever. Worst Chancellor ever. Nastiest 'human being' at DWP ever.
    Dream team
    Silliest poster ever. You are not remotely partisan are you? Third worst Prime Minister please. Johnson and Truss are waving.
    Im utterly partisan when it comes to Labour. They are total dirt.
    This is how some of us felt when your party's appalling Johnson sold the nation down the river to become PM and then once in Downing Street took us all for clowns to be ridiculed. A year of what you feel you have had to put up with doesn't come close to the chaos that clown and his immediate successor created, certainly since 2019. I'd suggest three years prior.

    Perhaps a little more circumspection is in order.
    Tories think people have forgotten, but of course polls and elections tell us that they haven’t.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,715
    Leon said:

    The average domestic printer is a good objective correlative for the British government since about 2005

    Costs us almost nothing and delivers years of great service?

    I think you're getting confused with Candy Floss - costs a fortune and makes a mess that linger horribly.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,768
    edited June 26
    Late afternoon all :)

    The question is whether the "retreads" now in Reform can own the system or will be owned by the system. There will have been plenty of meetings with senior officers who will have explained the facts of life to the new councillor intake starting with Members' Induction. It remains to be seen whether the new councillors will lead the officers or be led by the officers.

    In Kent, the key Policy & Resources Cabinet Committee meets for the first time since the election on July 8th. In Derbyshire, the new Cabinet meets for the first time on July 3rd - among its agenda items is a report on the council's internal review instigated by the previous administration which has identified some £45 million of savings - will this work be ripped up by the new administration in favour of its own DLOGE or will it be accepted and implemented?

    Most new Reform Councils have to live with a 2025/26 Budget passed by their predecessors so a process of internal review can start but commitments already made to projects and programmes can't be easily undone.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,059
    edited June 26
    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Has any other PBer ever had this insane, unexpected problem? A printer not working?

    I am numb with disbelief and a kind of terror

    I use the spare, which may not help. But mine only go down after about 6 years usually.
    There's the take out a mortgage and pay Rymans to print it out option
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,013
    Omnium said:

    boulay said:

    Omnium said:

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    What sort of MP is reduced to tears over a half-hearted bill?

    (Rhetorical question. Obviously it's the earth mover ghastly sort)
    I’ve noticed an unfortunate trend of MPs turning on the waterworks whilst recounting their personal stories in Parliament during debates (and to be fair it seems to have crept into Lords debates too).

    It’s really painfully pathetic to be honest. Maybe less time on the feels and more on detail and solutions would achieve an improved country.
    All MPs have a very soft and sensitive side now.

    In no sense do I wish to undermine anyone that has a soft and sensitive side, but I can't really see that belly-up is the right position for an MP to choose when being elected or otherwise thereafter.
    I'd tend to think of MPs more bullying than bullied, tbh.

    Perhaps whoever is reporting need to interview some Westminster office staff.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,952

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    It honestly didn't expect this sort of thing to happen only 11 months into a new Labour government. Not good at all.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,833
    Very good piece.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,909
    carnforth said:

    "Weight loss jabs study begins after reports of pancreas issues"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ged0r1n3wo

    As a layman, it doesn't look too serious on the scale of these things. Can anyone offer an informed opinion?

    That the MHRA is looking into it actively is not a good sign for these drugs. I mean, they might conclude there's no issue, but it's not good they're looking
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,484
    Andy_JS said:

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    It honestly didn't expect this sort of thing to happen only 11 months into a new Labour government. Not good at all.
    One term latest basically.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,075
    Leon said:

    I for one am absolutely stunned - literally shaken to the core with horrified surprise - to discover that my printer has stopped working

    I am still using the printer I bought in 2001.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,013

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Has any other PBer ever had this insane, unexpected problem? A printer not working?

    I am numb with disbelief and a kind of terror

    I use the spare, which may not help. But mine only go down after about 6 years usually.
    There's the take out a mortgage and pay Rymans to print it out option
    There's the order one on Amazon Prime and get it tomorrow option. A perfectly good 5 year laser printer should be about the same price as a main course and a glass of wine at one of @Leon 's mid-range restaurants.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,059
    Andy_JS said:

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    It honestly didn't expect this sort of thing to happen only 11 months into a new Labour government. Not good at all.
    Its not like they showed any sign that they had a plan or any guiding principles in opposition though. They were very good at being horrified by (the many) things going amiss and waiting for buggins turn once the election rolled around and throwing out slogans without any substance but the words 'decade' 'national and 'renewal' unfortunately do not have magical powers. They are rudderless. Probably ought to throw everything into one basket now and just hammer it day after day after day - Boats or NHS, nothing else will help them.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,484
    Leon said:

    The average domestic printer is a good objective correlative for the British government since about 2005

    what have you got printer-wise?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,292
    edited June 26

    Leon said:

    The average domestic printer is a good objective correlative for the British government since about 2005

    what have you got printer-wise?
    Canon something. Before that HP. Before that something else

    It doesn’t seem to matter. Whatever brand or model they stop working after about three print jobs
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,059
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Leon said:

    Has any other PBer ever had this insane, unexpected problem? A printer not working?

    I am numb with disbelief and a kind of terror

    I use the spare, which may not help. But mine only go down after about 6 years usually.
    There's the take out a mortgage and pay Rymans to print it out option
    There's the order one on Amazon Prime and get it tomorrow option. A perfectly good 5 year laser printer should be about the same price as a main course and a glass of wine at one of @Leon 's mid-range restaurants.
    The less affluent punter might consider the 'oh I just fancied popping by to say hi..... by the way, is your printer working?' Option
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,216
    Andy_JS said:

    https://x.com/Peston/status/1938254102108016795

    The prime minister’s ambition to listen to his MPs who have concerns about his welfare reforms is not going to plan. One of his Downing St advisers had a meeting today with some of the rebels and resorted to shouting, according to one observer. “Some of my colleagues were in tears” said an MP. “It was completely inappropriate.”

    It honestly didn't expect this sort of thing to happen only 11 months into a new Labour government. Not good at all.
    I did, you can't govern the country on such a low vote share. Labour only got 1 in 5 voters to vote for them, pushing through any kind of controversial agenda was always going to be difficult on such razor thin margins despite the size of the majority. Their coalition is extremely brittle and Reform are already eating away at it.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,216
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The average domestic printer is a good objective correlative for the British government since about 2005

    what have you got printer-wise?
    Canon something. Before that HP. Before that something else

    It doesn’t seem to matter. Whatever brand or model they stop working after about three print jobs
    Yeah they're all shit. I still take anything that needs printing to my parents house and use my dad's all singing all dancing colour laser printer that's the size of a small room.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,484
    Trump Trade deals deadline may be pushed back.

    I am astonished.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 28,013
    edited June 26
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The average domestic printer is a good objective correlative for the British government since about 2005

    what have you got printer-wise?
    Canon something. Before that HP. Before that something else

    It doesn’t seem to matter. Whatever brand or model they stop working after about three print jobs
    It probably has a critical job detector installed (copyright Jerry Pournelle). Most do.

    At the moment I am on Samsung (BW laser daily use - £80 in about 2017), Canon (multifunction device; unused mainly; donation), OKI (double sided A3 colour laser that does 300gsm stock; second hand) and HP (A1 roll fed pigment inkjet for pictures to hang on the wall; quite expensive). :wink:
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,952
    The Tories could bail Starmer out, but I wonder what they'd want in return.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,484
    edited June 26
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The average domestic printer is a good objective correlative for the British government since about 2005

    what have you got printer-wise?
    Canon something. Before that HP. Before that something else

    It doesn’t seem to matter. Whatever brand or model they stop working after about three print jobs
    Is it a laser printer?

    My rule is absolute. Only buy HP. And only buy a laser printer. A professional level one, not a dinky one.

    The third rule is not so easy: always use ethernet to wire it up. Forget the printer's built in wifi - that is weather or phase of the moon dependent.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,987
    edited June 26
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    The average domestic printer is a good objective correlative for the British government since about 2005

    what have you got printer-wise?
    Canon something. Before that HP. Before that something else

    It doesn’t seem to matter. Whatever brand or model they stop working after about three print jobs
    I wonder these days how many consumer printers are just made by the same Chinese producer e.g. low end LCD TVs now are all pretty much made by TCL no matter what brand you buy. It only when you start buying the £1000 stuff that you are getting the Korean made panel etc.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 12,059
    edited June 26
    Andy_JS said:

    The Tories could bail Starmer out, but I wonder what they'd want in return.

    They've already given him their demands - reduce welfare bill, more disabled into work, no tax rises in next budget. And they want it confirmed at the despatch box
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,422
    Andy_JS said:

    The Tories could bail Starmer out, but I wonder what they'd want in return.

    Nothing. If the bill falls, the tories win (but the country loses). If the bill passes with their support, the tories win (and the country wins). The question is more which would Starmer prefer if one has to happen.
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