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  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,898
    malcolmg said:

    Nigelb said:

    The trick is to be able to flatter without openly humiliating yourself.
    Rutte clearly hasn't mastered that trick.

    It might at some point prove to have fatally weakened his position as Secretary General. No one wants to be represented by a poodle.

    Flattery is considered the best approach to dealing with Trump, but it comes at a high price. You lose respect and dignity if you do it, and you damage the office and the institution you represent. Sometimes, that price is bigger than whatever you hope to achieve with flattery.
    https://x.com/jakluge/status/1937532858622677445

    There is flattery and abject butt slurping
    Sounds a great party! Whereabouts??
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,898
    tlg86 said:

    Taz said:

    Let’s get some perspective dudes.

    Our tail is better than theirs.

    Just over 60 needed with 5 wickets to go.

    Keep the faith NigelB

    Being an England fan in the 1990s leaves a deep scar on you.

    I saw England go from 147/4 to 150 all out (and that was thanks to a gritty single from Devon Malcolm.)

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/england-tour-of-australia-1990-91-61737/australia-vs-england-2nd-test-63544/full-scorecard
    Mulalley, Malcolm, The Cat
    Greatest 9, 10, Jack ever
    No, it was Tufnell at 10 and Giddins at 11 against New Zealand.
    Ed Giddins!
    If Pat Pocock was a bit younger.........
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,789
    The BBC website leading with Trump rather than the cricket says a lot about our decline as a country.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,610
    viewcode said:

    Nigelb said:

    I think Israel knows exactly what they're doing.

    Whether the senile old man at Pennsylvania Avenue Care Home does, is another matter.

    Meanwhile, another couple of Democrat septuagenarians in Congress announce in the last week that they'd be running again.
    US politicians always feather their own nests.
    Removed redundancies for you.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,421
    rcs1000 said:

    Is cousin marriage a disputed topic here?

    I presume we all agree that it shouldn't be allowed..

    I don't believe any of the political parties are running on a platform of criminalising cousin marriage.
    I'm surprised that Reform aren't

    I suspect that they will, and it'll be popular

    I can imagine it being the sort of thing that Kemi would go for too

    But my point was that I'd be astonished to see any regular PBer try to make a real case for first cousin marriage

    I can imagine a few "Well, Royal Family" non arguments
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,951
    kinabalu said:

    The BBC website leading with Trump rather than the cricket says a lot about our decline as a country.

    PB has its priorities right, below the line.

    Under 50 required now.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,702

    Is cousin marriage a disputed topic here?

    I presume we all agree that it shouldn't be allowed..

    I have no idea, but SFAIK it has never been illegal or especially frowned upon in England. At least one Trollope novel hangs upon the thought (Can You Forgive Her - highly recommended). And any student of regal genealogy will meet it. William III and Mary being an example. And as anyone who has read the end page of the Book of Common Prayer during a dull sermon will know, it is not forbidden in the 'Table of Kindred and Affinity'. Unlike marrying your grandmother, which is.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,420

    malcolmg said:

    Nigelb said:

    The trick is to be able to flatter without openly humiliating yourself.
    Rutte clearly hasn't mastered that trick.

    It might at some point prove to have fatally weakened his position as Secretary General. No one wants to be represented by a poodle.

    Flattery is considered the best approach to dealing with Trump, but it comes at a high price. You lose respect and dignity if you do it, and you damage the office and the institution you represent. Sometimes, that price is bigger than whatever you hope to achieve with flattery.
    https://x.com/jakluge/status/1937532858622677445

    There is flattery and abject butt slurping
    Sounds a great party! Whereabouts??
    Hmmm
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,898
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Nigelb said:

    The trick is to be able to flatter without openly humiliating yourself.
    Rutte clearly hasn't mastered that trick.

    It might at some point prove to have fatally weakened his position as Secretary General. No one wants to be represented by a poodle.

    Flattery is considered the best approach to dealing with Trump, but it comes at a high price. You lose respect and dignity if you do it, and you damage the office and the institution you represent. Sometimes, that price is bigger than whatever you hope to achieve with flattery.
    https://x.com/jakluge/status/1937532858622677445

    There is flattery and abject butt slurping
    Sounds a great party! Whereabouts??
    Hmmm
    I mean for the guys that like the butt slurping. Not an upstanding fella like me lol
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,702
    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:



    Labour backbenchers at it again.

    I'm Palestinian Action and so's my wife.
    Do you think it's Allah's will that Israel exists?
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,610
    Probably one of the few times I've found myself warming to Trump TBH.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,702

    algarkirk said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    Leon said:

    Sean_F said:

    FPT @Leon

    I was interested to read an article about "Sick Societies" online, which cross-referenced Duddies Branch, with Tasmania, and Aztec Mexico, (a society you've also written about), as being societies which were all engaged in completely self-destructive behaviour.

    That’s the book I’m reading. Dry in places but wildly compelling in others

    I’ve long been interested in cultural/civilsational regression

    There’s a lovely example in tiny Kilfenora cathedral on the Burren in County Clare

    Outside the cathedral there are some 13th century gravestones with quite fine carving and stonework. Inside they have stuff from the 15th century and it’s like they got drunk children to do it. Way beyond “bad”. Laughably poor

    The Burren is isolated. Somehow in those 2 centuries the local Irish forgot how to carve and anyone who could do it moved away

    Trajan’s Column in Rome shows a similar decline in one single object
    There are societies which are politically self-destructive (much of 16th and 17th century Europe, the Eastern Empire in the 14th century), yet are still quite culturally outstanding. But, there's something that goes terribly wrong, with societies where people forget how to do even very basic things, or else their leaders engage in stupid behaviours (like mass human sacrifice), that make those elites hated, and undermine their ability to defend themselves.

    I expect post Roman Britain was one of those sick societies. I imagine it being rather like the world of Mad Max.
    I’ve also been reading about medieval England and the Vikings - to go with my trip to the Faroes

    Even in the 8-9th century the Norse AND Anglo Saxons were treading around the Roman ruins in awe, wondering who could possibly have erected these incredible structures. Gods or giants possibly

    Apparently it gave them all a sense of decline and inadequacy
    St Bede, 7th/8th century, knew quite well about the Romans in Britain and a fair bit about their history, decline and disappearance, and what replaced them.
    Interesting. Am planning a trip to Jarrow to check him out.
    He's usually referred to as the Venerable Bede. Have always thought it made it almost worthwhile to become an Archdeacon just to get that title.
    Bede was not an archdeacon and achieved the title by miraculous means, direct from angels. If he had been an archdeacon he wopuld have been too busy writing reports on church heating systems for the DAC to bother with the Historia ecclesiastica gentis Anglorum.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,610

    rcs1000 said:

    Is cousin marriage a disputed topic here?

    I presume we all agree that it shouldn't be allowed..

    I don't believe any of the political parties are running on a platform of criminalising cousin marriage.
    I'm surprised that Reform aren't

    I suspect that they will, and it'll be popular

    I can imagine it being the sort of thing that Kemi would go for too

    But my point was that I'd be astonished to see any regular PBer try to make a real case for first cousin marriage

    I can imagine a few "Well, Royal Family" non arguments
    I guess the case for it is that we tend not to make things illegal in this country unless there's a very good reason for it. Having children with your cousin raises the risk of health problems in children, but so do other things like having children later in life. How enforceable is it? Are you going to jail people for having sex with their cousin? What are you going to do about people already married? I'm not in favour of cousin marriage BTW, I'm just not convinced prohibition will be an effective strategy. Things like targeted information campaigns seem a better way to go. It feels like there's a fair amount of prejudice involved here, ie it's based more on who's doing it than what they're doing.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,898
    edited June 24
    Some of the 'red rose in my bio' X posters are throwing their toys out of the pram over the rebellion 'just collapse the government and make them live under Reform' teeheehee
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,058
    @PippaCrerar

    NEW: Kemi Badenoch says the Tories will lend support to the welfare bill if PM commits to three conditions: bringing down welfare budget, getting people back to work, and promising no new tax rises. The last of those is impossible for the government to deliver.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,610
    A federal judge has ruled that Anthropic's use of books to train Claude falls under fair use, and is legal under U.S. copyright law.
    https://x.com/AndrewCurran_/status/1937512454835306974
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,898
    Scott_xP said:

    @PippaCrerar

    NEW: Kemi Badenoch says the Tories will lend support to the welfare bill if PM commits to three conditions: bringing down welfare budget, getting people back to work, and promising no new tax rises. The last of those is impossible for the government to deliver.

    Meaningless unless he signs a formal agreement. Which he won't. So they'll look ridiculous if they now support it based on 'yeah, sure guys'
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,610
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,058
    Nigelb said:

    A federal judge has ruled that Anthropic's use of books to train Claude falls under fair use, and is legal under U.S. copyright law.
    https://x.com/AndrewCurran_/status/1937512454835306974

    However, the judge also ruled "Anthropic's copying and storage of more than 7 million pirated books in a 'central library' infringed the authors' copyrights and was not fair use." The judge ordered a trial to determine how much "Anthropic owes for the infringement."

    That's a big deal.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,408

    Is cousin marriage a disputed topic here?

    I presume we all agree that it shouldn't be allowed..

    It is contra-indicated for genetic health reasons, but I don't have the same visceral reaction to it as I do with sibling incest.

    And if it was a same-sex marriage, or one of the two had been sterilised, there'd be nothing to worry about in health terms either.
    About as risky as the mother being ten years older, IIRC, in terms of congenital anomalies.

    These days, of course, one could pre-screen for risk of a lot of things.

    The concept still makes me a bit sick though, when I think of my cousins :open_mouth:
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,951

    Is cousin marriage a disputed topic here?

    I presume we all agree that it shouldn't be allowed..

    A year ago I thought that assisted suicide was highly unlikely to be legalised. A month ago I though the abortion 24-wk limit was a boundary loved by few but accepted by most, and that abortion would not feature in British politics. The way things are going, I assume somebody will attempt to loosen the legal taboos regarding cousin marriage.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,610
    Worst of the worst.

    https://x.com/LongTimeHistory/status/1937527817417191599
    ICE forces U.S. Army Purple Heart veteran to deport—after taking 2 bullets in combat.

    Sae Joon Park "miraculously" survived being shot in spine—then given 3 weeks to deport to South Korea.

    Will miss dying mother's funeral—then his daughter's wedding.

    Was legally in U.S. under deferred action as a Purple Heart veteran—after getting clean from a drug addiction arrest brought on by PTSD.

    "People were saying 'You took two bullets for this country. Like you’re more American than most of the Americans living in America,'" he explained.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,421

    rcs1000 said:

    Is cousin marriage a disputed topic here?

    I presume we all agree that it shouldn't be allowed..

    I don't believe any of the political parties are running on a platform of criminalising cousin marriage.
    I'm surprised that Reform aren't

    I suspect that they will, and it'll be popular

    I can imagine it being the sort of thing that Kemi would go for too

    But my point was that I'd be astonished to see any regular PBer try to make a real case for first cousin marriage

    I can imagine a few "Well, Royal Family" non arguments
    I guess the case for it is that we tend not to make things illegal in this country unless there's a very good reason for it. Having children with your cousin raises the risk of health problems in children, but so do other things like having children later in life. How enforceable is it? Are you going to jail people for having sex with their cousin? What are you going to do about people already married? I'm not in favour of cousin marriage BTW, I'm just not convinced prohibition will be an effective strategy. Things like targeted information campaigns seem a better way to go. It feels like there's a fair amount of prejudice involved here, ie it's based more on who's doing it than what they're doing.
    I think the “who’s doing it” factor is also influenced by the level of arranged (forced) and underage marriage that happens among that same “who”

    I hope that sort of marriage isn’t something that you support

    That would be too far woke
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,394

    rcs1000 said:

    Is cousin marriage a disputed topic here?

    I presume we all agree that it shouldn't be allowed..

    I don't believe any of the political parties are running on a platform of criminalising cousin marriage.
    I'm surprised that Reform aren't

    I suspect that they will, and it'll be popular

    I can imagine it being the sort of thing that Kemi would go for too

    But my point was that I'd be astonished to see any regular PBer try to make a real case for first cousin marriage

    I can imagine a few "Well, Royal Family" non arguments
    I guess the case for it is that we tend not to make things illegal in this country unless there's a very good reason for it. Having children with your cousin raises the risk of health problems in children, but so do other things like having children later in life. How enforceable is it? Are you going to jail people for having sex with their cousin? What are you going to do about people already married? I'm not in favour of cousin marriage BTW, I'm just not convinced prohibition will be an effective strategy. Things like targeted information campaigns seem a better way to go. It feels like there's a fair amount of prejudice involved here, ie it's based more on who's doing it than what they're doing.
    Partly it's the immigration angle. Apparently in some working class pakistani communties not only is cousin marriage preferred, but how do you find a suitable virginal bride? Make sure she's from the village back home and has been, er, carefully inspected by the family.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,610
    CE’s acting director says he’s demanding Americans stop criticizing ICE.
    https://x.com/allenanalysis/status/1937518604372639905
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 39,058
    England can't lose from here
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,610
    Scott_xP said:

    England can't lose from here

    Away with you to Conhome.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,637
    Scott_xP said:

    England can't lose from here

    The second word is "off".
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,394
    "British man charged over 'wedding' with child, 9, at Disneyland Paris"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0l4z2z7rk4o

    Everything about this is odd. I suspect we will have to wait a while to find out what it was actually all about.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 1,002

    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:



    Labour backbenchers at it again.

    I'm Palestinian Action and so's my wife.
    Do you think it's Allah's will that Israel exists?
    What about Buddha? Does he/she have the same opinion? Do they all get together and make pronouncements according to geography?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,208
    Nigelb said:

    Worst of the worst.

    https://x.com/LongTimeHistory/status/1937527817417191599
    ICE forces U.S. Army Purple Heart veteran to deport—after taking 2 bullets in combat.

    Sae Joon Park "miraculously" survived being shot in spine—then given 3 weeks to deport to South Korea.

    Will miss dying mother's funeral—then his daughter's wedding.

    Was legally in U.S. under deferred action as a Purple Heart veteran—after getting clean from a drug addiction arrest brought on by PTSD.

    "People were saying 'You took two bullets for this country. Like you’re more American than most of the Americans living in America,'" he explained.

    Sae Joon Park military record for America - two bullets

    Donald Trump military record for America - two bone spurs...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,382
    Battlebus said:

    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:



    Labour backbenchers at it again.

    I'm Palestinian Action and so's my wife.
    Do you think it's Allah's will that Israel exists?
    What about Buddha? Does he/she have the same opinion? Do they all get together and make pronouncements according to geography?
    What I want to know is what Ronald McDonald thinks.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,951

    rcs1000 said:

    Is cousin marriage a disputed topic here?

    I presume we all agree that it shouldn't be allowed..

    I don't believe any of the political parties are running on a platform of criminalising cousin marriage.
    I'm surprised that Reform aren't

    I suspect that they will, and it'll be popular

    I can imagine it being the sort of thing that Kemi would go for too

    But my point was that I'd be astonished to see any regular PBer try to make a real case for first cousin marriage

    I can imagine a few "Well, Royal Family" non arguments
    I guess the case for it is that we tend not to make things illegal in this country unless there's a very good reason for it. Having children with your cousin raises the risk of health problems in children, but so do other things like having children later in life. How enforceable is it? Are you going to jail people for having sex with their cousin? What are you going to do about people already married? I'm not in favour of cousin marriage BTW, I'm just not convinced prohibition will be an effective strategy. Things like targeted information campaigns seem a better way to go. It feels like there's a fair amount of prejudice involved here, ie it's based more on who's doing it than what they're doing.
    I think the “who’s doing it” factor is also influenced by the level of arranged (forced) and underage marriage that happens among that same “who”

    I hope that sort of marriage isn’t something that you support

    That would be too far woke
    You mean people from Lincolnshire?

    Not sure why that makes it more relevant?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,702
    Nigelb said:
    Free Speech, innit!!
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,421

    Only the third test in history to have 4 350plus innings

    I think that eight centuries is the most in a Test. This one had seven and a ninety nine
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,637

    Only the third test in history to have 4 350plus innings

    It's been a hell of a game and its a bit of a mystery as to how it has ended like this. 5 centuries. It has been enough every time. Until now.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,306
    rcs1000 said:

    Battlebus said:

    rcs1000 said:

    carnforth said:



    Labour backbenchers at it again.

    I'm Palestinian Action and so's my wife.
    Do you think it's Allah's will that Israel exists?
    What about Buddha? Does he/she have the same opinion? Do they all get together and make pronouncements according to geography?
    What I want to know is what Ronald McDonald thinks.
    He’s famously more of a “do’er” than a thinker.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,610
    Root's 50 from a streaky edge reinforces the point I made yesterday about bowlers deserving credit for played on wickets.

    No one puts such an asterisk against batsmen's records.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,208
    edited June 24

    Only the third test in history to have 4 350plus innings

    10th highest run chase in test cricket history - if achieved
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,898

    Only the third test in history to have 4 350plus innings

    I think that eight centuries is the most in a Test. This one had seven and a ninety nine
    Brooks is the first Englishman (5th overall) to get 99 and a duck in a test
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,382

    rcs1000 said:

    Is cousin marriage a disputed topic here?

    I presume we all agree that it shouldn't be allowed..

    I don't believe any of the political parties are running on a platform of criminalising cousin marriage.
    I'm surprised that Reform aren't

    I suspect that they will, and it'll be popular

    I can imagine it being the sort of thing that Kemi would go for too

    But my point was that I'd be astonished to see any regular PBer try to make a real case for first cousin marriage

    I can imagine a few "Well, Royal Family" non arguments
    I guess the case for it is that we tend not to make things illegal in this country unless there's a very good reason for it. Having children with your cousin raises the risk of health problems in children, but so do other things like having children later in life. How enforceable is it? Are you going to jail people for having sex with their cousin? What are you going to do about people already married? I'm not in favour of cousin marriage BTW, I'm just not convinced prohibition will be an effective strategy. Things like targeted information campaigns seem a better way to go. It feels like there's a fair amount of prejudice involved here, ie it's based more on who's doing it than what they're doing.
    I think the “who’s doing it” factor is also influenced by the level of arranged (forced) and underage marriage that happens among that same “who”

    I hope that sort of marriage isn’t something that you support

    That would be too far woke
    Marriage of first cousins in the UK has basically always been legal, and was formalised in the Marriage Act of 1835, which listed those relatives to whom you were not allowed to marry.

    The bar for banning anything needs to be a high one. I don't think the fact it's a bit "icky" clears that bar.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,702
    tlg86 said:

    Only the third test in history to have 4 350plus innings

    If India lose, first time a team has had five hundreds and lost.
    Come on, Indi... er, I mean England :blush:
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,951

    Only the third test in history to have 4 350plus innings

    I think that eight centuries is the most in a Test. This one had seven and a ninety nine
    Brooks is the first Englishman (5th overall) to get 99 and a duck in a test
    When it comes to career centuries it is now

    Root 66
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,208
    SIX
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,898
    Never in doubt
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 6,421
    Nigelb said:

    Root's 50 from a streaky edge reinforces the point I made yesterday about bowlers deserving credit for played on wickets.

    No one puts such an asterisk against batsmen's records.

    I think the point was that they should be a new category of wicket; Played On rather than Bowled, but still credited to the bowler
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,208
    A hat-trick now would be fun...
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,382

    Only the third test in history to have 4 350plus innings

    10th highest run chase in test cricket history - if achieved
    I'm calling this: England might make it.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,610
    Nigelb said:

    Scott_xP said:

    England can't lose from here

    Away with you to Conhome.
    Scott is allowed back.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 122,444
    All those losers who criticised England/Stokes for bowling first, let's be having you.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,208
    SIX and the win.

    FABULOUS TEST!!!
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,898
    Never.in.doubt
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,637
    That is a genuinely phenomenal performance by England. Incredible.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,032
    ENGLAND!!! 🏏🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,610
    edited June 24

    All those losers who criticised England/Stokes for bowling first, let's be having you.

    Also the selection of Smith...

    Never doubted him.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,702
    COME ON ENGLAND!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,951
    Test Cricket is a dying sport, but it at least survives for a few more years with matches like this.

    And also, something about politics or whatever I guess.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,610
    About $10m a pop, I think ?

    Acting Navy Chief warns US is using missile interceptors “at an alarming rate” in Mideast.

    Senator Brian Schatz (D-HI): “The latest round of conflict in the Middle East utilized, large amounts of munitions to defend Israel from Iranian strikes. Does the Navy currently have all the SM3s it needs for global threats?”
    ADMIRAL JAMES KILBY / NAVAL OPERATIONS ACTING CHIEF: “I'll take this. We do, sir, but we are to your point, using them at an alarming rate. As you know, those are, missiles procured by the Missile Defense Agency and then delivered to the Navy for our use. And we are using them quite effectively in the defense of Israel.”

    https://x.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1937534289186369795
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,951
    kle4 said:

    Test Cricket is a dying sport, but it at least survives for a few more years with matches like this.

    And also, something about politics or whatever I guess.

    Test Cricket isn't dying, there's just 4 decent Test cricket nations and thankfully unlike the 90s we're one of them.

    England facing India then Australia this year is not bad for Tests.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,199
    Stokes should get a dukedom
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,674
    DavidL said:

    That is a genuinely phenomenal performance by England. Incredible.

    Made even better by the two teams' having played immediate WWIII off the field.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,394
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Is cousin marriage a disputed topic here?

    I presume we all agree that it shouldn't be allowed..

    I don't believe any of the political parties are running on a platform of criminalising cousin marriage.
    I'm surprised that Reform aren't

    I suspect that they will, and it'll be popular

    I can imagine it being the sort of thing that Kemi would go for too

    But my point was that I'd be astonished to see any regular PBer try to make a real case for first cousin marriage

    I can imagine a few "Well, Royal Family" non arguments
    I guess the case for it is that we tend not to make things illegal in this country unless there's a very good reason for it. Having children with your cousin raises the risk of health problems in children, but so do other things like having children later in life. How enforceable is it? Are you going to jail people for having sex with their cousin? What are you going to do about people already married? I'm not in favour of cousin marriage BTW, I'm just not convinced prohibition will be an effective strategy. Things like targeted information campaigns seem a better way to go. It feels like there's a fair amount of prejudice involved here, ie it's based more on who's doing it than what they're doing.
    I think the “who’s doing it” factor is also influenced by the level of arranged (forced) and underage marriage that happens among that same “who”

    I hope that sort of marriage isn’t something that you support

    That would be too far woke
    Marriage of first cousins in the UK has basically always been legal, and was formalised in the Marriage Act of 1835, which listed those relatives to whom you were not allowed to marry.

    The bar for banning anything needs to be a high one. I don't think the fact it's a bit "icky" clears that bar.
    From 2005:

    "Birmingham primary care trust estimates that one in 10 of all children born to first-cousin marriages in the city's Pakistani community either dies in infancy or goes on to suffer serious disability as a result of recessive genetic disorders."

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2005/nov/16/immigrationpolicy.politics
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,546
    Sandpit said:

    ENGLAND!!! 🏏🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

    You're here! Welcome back!
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,951
    Not often a Test player gets 2 centuries in the match, sees 3 team mates get a century too, fails to get Man of the Match and loses.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,898
    Leon said:

    Stokes should get a dukedom

    Give him Harry's titles and gongs. Redistribute the ginger
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,951

    Leon said:

    Stokes should get a dukedom

    Give him Harry's titles and gongs. Redistribute the ginger
    Give him Harry's older brother's title and gongs.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,208
    edited June 24

    COME ON ENGLAND!

    *Baron Tebbit looks over his glasses...*
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,208
    Nigelb said:

    About $10m a pop, I think ?

    Acting Navy Chief warns US is using missile interceptors “at an alarming rate” in Mideast.

    Senator Brian Schatz (D-HI): “The latest round of conflict in the Middle East utilized, large amounts of munitions to defend Israel from Iranian strikes. Does the Navy currently have all the SM3s it needs for global threats?”
    ADMIRAL JAMES KILBY / NAVAL OPERATIONS ACTING CHIEF: “I'll take this. We do, sir, but we are to your point, using them at an alarming rate. As you know, those are, missiles procured by the Missile Defense Agency and then delivered to the Navy for our use. And we are using them quite effectively in the defense of Israel.”

    https://x.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1937534289186369795

    Bad news for Ukraine.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,208

    Leon said:

    Stokes should get a dukedom

    Give him Harry's titles and gongs. Redistribute the ginger
    That would be one way to produce ginger whine...
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,610

    rcs1000 said:

    Is cousin marriage a disputed topic here?

    I presume we all agree that it shouldn't be allowed..

    I don't believe any of the political parties are running on a platform of criminalising cousin marriage.
    I'm surprised that Reform aren't

    I suspect that they will, and it'll be popular

    I can imagine it being the sort of thing that Kemi would go for too

    But my point was that I'd be astonished to see any regular PBer try to make a real case for first cousin marriage

    I can imagine a few "Well, Royal Family" non arguments
    I guess the case for it is that we tend not to make things illegal in this country unless there's a very good reason for it. Having children with your cousin raises the risk of health problems in children, but so do other things like having children later in life. How enforceable is it? Are you going to jail people for having sex with their cousin? What are you going to do about people already married? I'm not in favour of cousin marriage BTW, I'm just not convinced prohibition will be an effective strategy. Things like targeted information campaigns seem a better way to go. It feels like there's a fair amount of prejudice involved here, ie it's based more on who's doing it than what they're doing.
    I think the “who’s doing it” factor is also influenced by the level of arranged (forced) and underage marriage that happens among that same “who”

    I hope that sort of marriage isn’t something that you support

    That would be too far woke
    As far as I understand it we already have laws against forced and child marriage, so I'd suggest devoting resources to enforcing those rather than giving the police more shit to deal with.
    There's too many people desperate to ban things.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 46,005
    This is quite a story, and not in a good way...

    "British man charged over 'wedding' with child, 9, at Disneyland Paris"

    "BFMTV reported that the "mock wedding" may have cost organiser more than €130,000 (£110,000).

    Mr Bladier's statement said that the British man "was reportedly convicted in the past, including for offences of a sexual nature against minors."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0l4z2z7rk4o

    He hired Eurodisney for a couple of hours, and hired 100 extras as guests.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,898
    edited June 24
    Looks like Kemi wants a despatch box commitment to no tax rises to get Tory support. SKS in a real pincer here.
    I think his only way out is to pull the bill and agree to await the Impact assessments and commit to a full consultation with disabled people. And maybe shuffle out Kendall to a different role.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,858

    This is quite a story, and not in a good way...

    "British man charged over 'wedding' with child, 9, at Disneyland Paris"

    "BFMTV reported that the "mock wedding" may have cost organiser more than €130,000 (£110,000).

    Mr Bladier's statement said that the British man "was reportedly convicted in the past, including for offences of a sexual nature against minors."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0l4z2z7rk4o

    He hired Eurodisney for a couple of hours, and hired 100 extras as guests.

    He has history:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67483902

    Young children were hired as extras for a public film shoot starring a paedophile, the BBC has learned.

    About 200 children and young women played fans alongside Jacky Jhaj, 38, who is on the sex offenders register, in London's Leicester Square.

    In 2016 he was jailed for four years, having been found guilty of four counts of sexual activity with two 15-year-olds after posing as a film producer.

    Casting agencies say actors were kept safe and children had chaperones.

    The BBC has been told by two cast members that they were not made aware of the real identity of Jhaj, of west London.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 6,306

    Apropos of nothing, I met Rick Astley yesterday.

    Did he say goodbye?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,171

    This is quite a story, and not in a good way...

    "British man charged over 'wedding' with child, 9, at Disneyland Paris"

    "BFMTV reported that the "mock wedding" may have cost organiser more than €130,000 (£110,000).

    Mr Bladier's statement said that the British man "was reportedly convicted in the past, including for offences of a sexual nature against minors."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0l4z2z7rk4o

    He hired Eurodisney for a couple of hours, and hired 100 extras as guests.

    Note that he is "wanted in the UK", no doubt he's been grateful to everyone who voted for Brexit.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,254
    I wonder if Michael Vaughan has reconsidered his comments after England bowled first.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,254
    People of Iran celebrating the end of the war.

    https://x.com/clashreport/status/1937565667638559193?s=61
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,637
    AnneJGP said:

    DavidL said:

    That is a genuinely phenomenal performance by England. Incredible.

    Made even better by the two teams' having played immediate WWIII off the field.
    It's really weird how some get distracted by trivia when there is a Test Match on. Hopefully they have learned their lesson.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,352
    edited June 24
    Taz said:

    People of Iran celebrating the end of the war.

    https://x.com/clashreport/status/1937565667638559193?s=61

    Is the fucking ceasefire holding? I’ve been watching cricket.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,254
    Israel now saying they will focus on Gaza. Totally owned by Trump now. Meanwhile Trump lets China know they can carry on buying oil from Iran

    https://x.com/osint613/status/1937506484604014703?s=61
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,967
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Is cousin marriage a disputed topic here?

    I presume we all agree that it shouldn't be allowed..

    I don't believe any of the political parties are running on a platform of criminalising cousin marriage.
    I'm surprised that Reform aren't

    I suspect that they will, and it'll be popular

    I can imagine it being the sort of thing that Kemi would go for too

    But my point was that I'd be astonished to see any regular PBer try to make a real case for first cousin marriage

    I can imagine a few "Well, Royal Family" non arguments
    I guess the case for it is that we tend not to make things illegal in this country unless there's a very good reason for it. Having children with your cousin raises the risk of health problems in children, but so do other things like having children later in life. How enforceable is it? Are you going to jail people for having sex with their cousin? What are you going to do about people already married? I'm not in favour of cousin marriage BTW, I'm just not convinced prohibition will be an effective strategy. Things like targeted information campaigns seem a better way to go. It feels like there's a fair amount of prejudice involved here, ie it's based more on who's doing it than what they're doing.
    I think the “who’s doing it” factor is also influenced by the level of arranged (forced) and underage marriage that happens among that same “who”

    I hope that sort of marriage isn’t something that you support

    That would be too far woke
    Marriage of first cousins in the UK has basically always been legal, and was formalised in the Marriage Act of 1835, which listed those relatives to whom you were not allowed to marry.

    The bar for banning anything needs to be a high one. I don't think the fact it's a bit "icky" clears that bar.
    In parts of the US, you can marry your sibling.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,352

    kinabalu said:

    The BBC website leading with Trump rather than the cricket says a lot about our decline as a country.

    PB has its priorities right, below the line.

    Under 50 required now.
    Feeling gutted by the outbreak of peace?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,858
    DavidL said:

    AnneJGP said:

    DavidL said:

    That is a genuinely phenomenal performance by England. Incredible.

    Made even better by the two teams' having played immediate WWIII off the field.
    It's really weird how some get distracted by trivia when there is a Test Match on. Hopefully they have learned their lesson.
    Twelve days is too long for a sporting event anyway, and it's such an anticlimax when it ends in a draw.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,445
    pop
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Is cousin marriage a disputed topic here?

    I presume we all agree that it shouldn't be allowed..

    I don't believe any of the political parties are running on a platform of criminalising cousin marriage.
    I'm surprised that Reform aren't

    I suspect that they will, and it'll be popular

    I can imagine it being the sort of thing that Kemi would go for too

    But my point was that I'd be astonished to see any regular PBer try to make a real case for first cousin marriage

    I can imagine a few "Well, Royal Family" non arguments
    I guess the case for it is that we tend not to make things illegal in this country unless there's a very good reason for it. Having children with your cousin raises the risk of health problems in children, but so do other things like having children later in life. How enforceable is it? Are you going to jail people for having sex with their cousin? What are you going to do about people already married? I'm not in favour of cousin marriage BTW, I'm just not convinced prohibition will be an effective strategy. Things like targeted information campaigns seem a better way to go. It feels like there's a fair amount of prejudice involved here, ie it's based more on who's doing it than what they're doing.
    I think the “who’s doing it” factor is also influenced by the level of arranged (forced) and underage marriage that happens among that same “who”

    I hope that sort of marriage isn’t something that you support

    That would be too far woke
    Marriage of first cousins in the UK has basically always been legal, and was formalised in the Marriage Act of 1835, which listed those relatives to whom you were not allowed to marry.

    The bar for banning anything needs to be a high one. I don't think the fact it's a bit "icky" clears that bar.
    Didn't people used to need a Papal dispensation for marriages up to a very high number of cousins - think it might have been including fifth cousins at one point, because they misinterpreted the Roman rules.

    So it might not have been illegal in civil law, but I'm sure it was contrary to canon law.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,858

    Apropos of nothing, I met Rick Astley yesterday.

    Does he actually exist? I thought he was just Kylie Minogue played at 33rpm.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,394

    This is quite a story, and not in a good way...

    "British man charged over 'wedding' with child, 9, at Disneyland Paris"

    "BFMTV reported that the "mock wedding" may have cost organiser more than €130,000 (£110,000).

    Mr Bladier's statement said that the British man "was reportedly convicted in the past, including for offences of a sexual nature against minors."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0l4z2z7rk4o

    He hired Eurodisney for a couple of hours, and hired 100 extras as guests.

    He has history:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67483902

    Young children were hired as extras for a public film shoot starring a paedophile, the BBC has learned.

    About 200 children and young women played fans alongside Jacky Jhaj, 38, who is on the sex offenders register, in London's Leicester Square.

    In 2016 he was jailed for four years, having been found guilty of four counts of sexual activity with two 15-year-olds after posing as a film producer.

    Casting agencies say actors were kept safe and children had chaperones.

    The BBC has been told by two cast members that they were not made aware of the real identity of Jhaj, of west London.
    I've read both articles and still have no idea what his deal is. Do the "films" exist? Or is it just for him? How is he so rich?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 62,199
    English Test Cricket desperately needs a way to get back on free-to-air TV
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,706
    edited June 24
    FPT
    algarkirk said:

    >
    Labour MPs I have heard so far opposing their own government, including on R4 Today this morning have had nothing to say, and weren't asked, about their plans for funding their costly thoughts. Are they under the illusion this is someone else's problem?

    Their line is that they're not actually opposing the government, while voting against it.

    Their illusion seems to involve some version of cakeism.

    I'd actually be interested in Nick's take on this. While I assume that he's likely also to oppose the legislation, how does he see the alternative ? <

    I'd oppose sticking to the manifesto as rigidly (it's not impressing voters, and why should it with the world changing so qjuickly?), and also oppose blowing money on the military. I'm still chair of my CLP, but without enthusiasm.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,394
    carnforth said:

    This is quite a story, and not in a good way...

    "British man charged over 'wedding' with child, 9, at Disneyland Paris"

    "BFMTV reported that the "mock wedding" may have cost organiser more than €130,000 (£110,000).

    Mr Bladier's statement said that the British man "was reportedly convicted in the past, including for offences of a sexual nature against minors."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0l4z2z7rk4o

    He hired Eurodisney for a couple of hours, and hired 100 extras as guests.

    He has history:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67483902

    Young children were hired as extras for a public film shoot starring a paedophile, the BBC has learned.

    About 200 children and young women played fans alongside Jacky Jhaj, 38, who is on the sex offenders register, in London's Leicester Square.

    In 2016 he was jailed for four years, having been found guilty of four counts of sexual activity with two 15-year-olds after posing as a film producer.

    Casting agencies say actors were kept safe and children had chaperones.

    The BBC has been told by two cast members that they were not made aware of the real identity of Jhaj, of west London.
    I've read both articles and still have no idea what his deal is. Do the "films" exist? Or is it just for him? How is he so rich?
    Curiouser and curiouser:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13803687/Fake-film-premieres-funerals-coffins-exploding-BBC-lorry-Paedophile-Jacky-Jhajs-bizarre-catalogue-stunts.html
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,951

    kle4 said:

    Test Cricket is a dying sport, but it at least survives for a few more years with matches like this.

    And also, something about politics or whatever I guess.

    Test Cricket isn't dying, there's just 4 decent Test cricket nations and thankfully unlike the 90s we're one of them.

    England facing India then Australia this year is not bad for Tests.
    4 good teams is a sign of a dying sport. Even in those nations are most interested in Test format? Wish it were not so, but we should enjoy it while we can,
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,951

    FPT
    algarkirk said:

    >
    Labour MPs I have heard so far opposing their own government, including on R4 Today this morning have had nothing to say, and weren't asked, about their plans for funding their costly thoughts. Are they under the illusion this is someone else's problem?

    Their line is that they're not actually opposing the government, while voting against it.

    Their illusion seems to involve some version of cakeism.

    I'd actually be interested in Nick's take on this. While I assume that he's likely also to oppose the legislation, how does he see the alternative ? <

    I'd oppose sticking to the manifesto as rigidly (it's not impressing voters, and why should it with the world changing so qjuickly?), and also oppose blowing money on the military. I'm still chair of my CLP, but without enthusiasm.

    I'm not opposed to more spending on defence, but we need things like prisons, resevoirs, and to make things like courts actually functioning more efficiently as more immediate concerns.

    The stereotype will be that most defence spending will be illusory or wasted on white elephants anyway.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,677
    Taz said:

    Israel now saying they will focus on Gaza. Totally owned by Trump now. Meanwhile Trump lets China know they can carry on buying oil from Iran

    https://x.com/osint613/status/1937506484604014703?s=61

    😂 Quite the turnaround
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,647
    edited June 24
    "What a time to be alive with a POTUS dropping the F bomb so publicly."

    I don't think sexual swearwords are the taboos they used to be. Taboos have changed.

    In the Middle Ages, the worst curse-words were religious, because everyone was terrified that using them could send whole cities to burn in eternity.
    In the Victorian period the worst such words were sexual, because of social neuroses about sex.
    Now they are racial, because white Americans are crippled by guilt that a large part of their country was founded on slavery and all of it on the dispossession of its existing inhabitants (like every other state in history).

    Had Trump dropped the N-bomb rather than the F-bomb, I imagine the reaction would have been much more explosive.

    In fact of course having these hangups is hugely damaging - they prevent free discussion of different viewpoints. In the Middle Ages, people were burned at the stake for trivial religious differences. In the Victorian period, women were so terrified of appearing immodest that some would die rather than discuss medical symptoms with their doctors. Our over-sensitivity about racial matters has analogous, damaging effects today.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,591

    Looks like Kemi wants a despatch box commitment to no tax rises to get Tory support. SKS in a real pincer here.
    I think his only way out is to pull the bill and agree to await the Impact assessments and commit to a full consultation with disabled people. And maybe shuffle out Kendall to a different role.

    Actually one of the first astute, strategic moves I’ve seen Badenoch play. Yes, it’s playing politics, but walking into unconditional support would probably have been a bit of a misstep.

    It leaves Starmer in an incredibly difficult position. I don’t quite see how he can avoid pulling the bill now, or significantly watering it down. Which means Reeves comes back with the begging bowl in the Autumn.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,258

    FPT
    algarkirk said:

    >
    Labour MPs I have heard so far opposing their own government, including on R4 Today this morning have had nothing to say, and weren't asked, about their plans for funding their costly thoughts. Are they under the illusion this is someone else's problem?

    Their line is that they're not actually opposing the government, while voting against it.

    Their illusion seems to involve some version of cakeism.

    I'd actually be interested in Nick's take on this. While I assume that he's likely also to oppose the legislation, how does he see the alternative ? <

    I'd oppose sticking to the manifesto as rigidly (it's not impressing voters, and why should it with the world changing so qjuickly?), and also oppose blowing money on the military. I'm still chair of my CLP, but without enthusiasm.

    The event horizon of Cakeism is when you use terrorism to oppose yourself.
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