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TheScreamingEagles said:

There's something odd about this story.

I hope the Tory party have done all the appropriate due diligence.

But Luke 15:7 applies here

If the Tories wont' have him then what about the LDs - just one MEP?

MikeSmithson said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

There's something odd about this story.

I hope the Tory party have done all the appropriate due diligence.

But Luke 15:7 applies here

If the Tories wont' have him then what about the LDs - just one MEP?

The way the SNP and Greens are surging, I'm surprised he hasn't defected to them.

The "howmanyUKIPsuspensions" website you mention in the thread header is a gift because it allows us to point out yet again how many Tory and Labour politicians have committed serious and in some cases criminal acts and have NOT been suspended.

Homophobes, racists and criminals with political ambitions should surely elect to go Tory or Labour as they have far more chance of still being in office after they have been found out.

Bashir isnt an impressive politician or speaker by any stretch, and i am quite surprised The tories accepted him and Cameron has directly associated himself with him

FPT.
Good to see Scottish government did not grovel like UK ....
http://www.kaleidoscot.com/scotland-not-fly-flag-half-mast-king-abdullah-2379

tlg86 said:

isam said:

Bashir isnt an impressive politician or speaker by any stretch, and i am quite surprised The tories accepted him and Cameron has directly associated himself with him

I saw him on the Look North bit of the Sunday Politics and wasn't impressed.

With regards to TSE's post below, I don't know anything about the selection process but I really hope he wasn't selected because of his ethnicity/faith. Positive discrimination is something that should be left to the likes of the Labour Party.

I can kind of understand why Ukip want to push the likes of Suzanne Evans and Diane James, as it might help them attract more women voters. But they're actually very articulate and capable politicians so they're where they are on merit. That Louise Bours on the other hand really irritates me!

I guess when you are accused of racism it is tempting to let any non white person be seen as supporting your party. I reckon Bashir was only given prominence because of his background helped shut people up who said ukip are anti asian or muslim

Im surprised more hasn't been made of ukip sacking two BAMEs in a week!


The Sunday times scoop is prob a lot worse than the Bashir story I'm guessing

isam said:

Bashir isnt an impressive politician or speaker by any stretch, and i am quite surprised The tories accepted him and Cameron has directly associated himself with him

And yet he had so many ukip roles.. surely it wasn't tokenism?

MikeK said:

"It was being said by leading Tories last year that Lynton Crosby had a “lot up his sleeve” which would be deployed in the run up to polling day. Maybe tonight’s news is one of them."
Mike Smithson

In other words you are saying that the Tories bribed him to defect. Successfully, it seems.

Or he had expressed an interest in defecting long before today?

isam said:

tlg86 said:

isam said:

Bashir isnt an impressive politician or speaker by any stretch, and i am quite surprised The tories accepted him and Cameron has directly associated himself with him

I saw him on the Look North bit of the Sunday Politics and wasn't impressed.

With regards to TSE's post below, I don't know anything about the selection process but I really hope he wasn't selected because of his ethnicity/faith. Positive discrimination is something that should be left to the likes of the Labour Party.

I can kind of understand why Ukip want to push the likes of Suzanne Evans and Diane James, as it might help them attract more women voters. But they're actually very articulate and capable politicians so they're where they are on merit. That Louise Bours on the other hand really irritates me!

I guess when you are accused of racism it is tempting to let any non white person be seen as supporting your party. I reckon Bashir was only given prominence because of his background helped shut people up who said ukip are anti asian or muslim

Im surprised more hasn't been made of ukip sacking two BAMEs in a week!


The Sunday times scoop is prob a lot worse than the Bashir story I'm guessing

Maybe. The Times "exposes" of UKIP have been pretty tame hitherto.

FPT
Ah good old Malcolm --- ''Good to see Scottish government did not grovel like UK ....
http://www.kaleidoscot.com/scotland-not-fly-flag-half-mast-king-abdullah-2379''

Yes - who wants to grovel to the man who put a firework up the backside of what passed for poor Wee Ecks economic policy.

Scrapheap_as_was said:

isam said:

Bashir isnt an impressive politician or speaker by any stretch, and i am quite surprised The tories accepted him and Cameron has directly associated himself with him

And yet he had so many ukip roles.. surely it wasn't tokenism?

How many times do you want me to say that I think it was tokenism? This is the hat trick by the way

I imagine this might be the first of many the Lynton Crosby has up his sleeve. I've got 2 stories on them myself which will probably be national.

Interestingly when canvassing today, I came across 4 hoouseholds saying UKIP as soon as I spoke. I explored it in a bit further detail. In the end they themselves said they have no policies and they probably won't end up voting for them.

surbiton said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Ack, the most appalling thing in that list of Kippers taking the defection well, is this

"Their born corrupt"

I emotionally break down at some people's appalling lack of knowledge when it comes to the English language.

In this "spell-check" age there is no distinction between:

their ; there

you're ; your

were ; where

etc.

May not be long before grammar checking is an option on these things. Spelling is a relatively new feature for internet browsers.

Cyclefree said:

malcolmg said:

FPT.
Good to see Scottish government did not grovel like UK ....
http://www.kaleidoscot.com/scotland-not-fly-flag-half-mast-king-abdullah-2379

Yes: good for them and for Ruth Davidson's comment.

Scottish Labour are such a destructive influence on Scottish politics. It is part of the reason (albeit perhaps a smaller part) of their current demise. They refuse to join any form of consensus, the SNP work with the Tories, the Lib Dems and the Greens, Labour seem determined to block anything that isn't put forward by them.

It is a very good thing that they are finished. It's a shame that the AMS will stop them being removed completely from Scottish politics - at least for a few more years.

TheWatcher said:

Socrates said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/SHKMEP/status/559074748702134272

If you take randoms on Twitter as being representative of anything, you're an idiot. Apparently Sajjam Karim isn't too bright.

Not bright, and yet UKIP had given him a number of roles.

Looks like a rather pathetic smear to me.

You do realise you're speaking about the wrong guy right? Awkward...

One of the remarkable aspects of UKIP is that it has continued to grow in spite of a very high turnover of MEP's and numerous splits which have traditionally stopped the far right making progress in this country, but it is bound to take its toll sometime and they seem to be buckling under the pressure somewhat in the last couple of months at the worst possible time.

TheScreamingEagles said:

OOOOH OOOOH OOOOOH

The defection is thought to have been brokered by another Tory MEP, the heavily Eurosceptic Daniel Hannan.

There are already rumours that at least one other UKIP MEP is considering their position following Mr Bashir's resignation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30967633

Thought Dan himself had defected for a moment there.

'It was being said by leading Tories last year that Lynton Crosby had a “lot up his sleeve” which would be deployed in the run up to polling day. Maybe tonight’s news is one of them.'

Could be Mike. Crosby knows every trick in the book. You don't take on - and defeat - as monstrous and as ruthless a political machine as the Australian Labor Party without considerable guile. UKIP could be a hollowed-out and smouldering husk by the time Crosby's finished with them. They'll be cries of foul play from the Kippers, of course, but by then they'll be shrieks of broken men in the wilderness, and no one will much care.

MP_SE said:

http://order-order.com/2015/01/24/amjad-bashir-met-with-banned-terror-organisation/

Amjad Bashir met with a banned terrorist organisation.

Well done Dave, quite the political coup.

Amjad the northern Luther Rahman?

So in summary, he was a cock and we're glad to see the back of him. That's the kipper stance?

Mr. M, I remember that.

That was a weird one.

surbiton said:

isam said:

surbiton said:

isam said:

Scrapheap_as_was said:

isam said:

Bashir isnt an impressive politician or speaker by any stretch, and i am quite surprised The tories accepted him and Cameron has directly associated himself with him

And yet he had so many ukip roles.. surely it wasn't tokenism?

How many times do you want me to say that I think it was tokenism? This is the hat trick by the way

So UKIP is really another political party after all; except led by a dictator.

I never thought the set up of the party was any different to any other to be honest... It's quite difficult to be

But they are different in my views because they want out of europe, openly criticise mass immigration and multiculturalism, and favour grammar schools... And it's policies that matter to me not party politics

When you supported the Labour party, what were your views on:

immigration
multiculturism
grammar schools

The first two I was quite in favour of, I was almost Green like in favouring a free for all where anyone in the world can go where they please, and passports were a bit of a nonsense etc

Multiculturalism... I was alright with although never have made any concessions to anyone in account of race or religion which I thought, well still think, is patronising

I still think it would be great if mass immigration and multiculturalism worked, but I just don't think they do, and actually think they create problems rather than are just neutral

Grammar schools.. I had bpnever really thought about them. I went to a comp and there were no grammar schools on offer... When I thought about them they made sense to me

To be honest I voted labour because my family did and I never thought much about politics. Sounds glib, but it was only when I grew up a bit and started really analysing politics, policies etc that I stopped voting for them

Maybe so, but surely it also raises question about the defecting MEP who was still tweeting gushing praise for UKIP until a few days ago.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Ed Miliband’s chances of winning the general election are dealt a blow by research for the Observer showing the surge in support for the Greens could seriously damage Labour’s hopes in 22 seats that will help decide who enters Downing Street in May.

With just over 100 days before polling, the rise of the Greens is causing serious anxiety in Labour’s high command, as worries grow that many left-leaning voters, particularly students and first-time voters, are rejecting Miliband’s agenda in favour of a more radical leftwing offering. With the SNP already threatening Labour in at least 20 of its traditional strongholds in Scotland, the Green surge means Labour is facing a second, largely unexpected, challenge from the left, which has made the election result even more difficult to call.

A big concern for Miliband’s election team is that Labour had been banking on many who voted Lib Dem in 2010 to return to the party. But these voters could be turning instead to the Greens, weakening Labour’s bid for power in university cities and other, mainly urban, areas.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/24/green-party-surge-labour-threat-election

Will this finally make the Labour high command realise that, to win these voters over, they can't continue to have an economic policy more right-wing than 60% of the population?

saddened said:

So in summary, he was a cock and we're glad to see the back of him. That's the kipper stance?

I wouldn't go that far. He's just not all that

Put it this way, I was a shorter price than him to be next UKIPs leader with Ladbrokes

surbiton said:

Danny565 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Ed Miliband’s chances of winning the general election are dealt a blow by research for the Observer showing the surge in support for the Greens could seriously damage Labour’s hopes in 22 seats that will help decide who enters Downing Street in May.

With just over 100 days before polling, the rise of the Greens is causing serious anxiety in Labour’s high command, as worries grow that many left-leaning voters, particularly students and first-time voters, are rejecting Miliband’s agenda in favour of a more radical leftwing offering. With the SNP already threatening Labour in at least 20 of its traditional strongholds in Scotland, the Green surge means Labour is facing a second, largely unexpected, challenge from the left, which has made the election result even more difficult to call.

A big concern for Miliband’s election team is that Labour had been banking on many who voted Lib Dem in 2010 to return to the party. But these voters could be turning instead to the Greens, weakening Labour’s bid for power in university cities and other, mainly urban, areas.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/24/green-party-surge-labour-threat-election

Will this finally make the Labour high command realise that, to win these voters over, they can't continue to have an economic policy more right-wing than 60% of the population?

A few Green subsidies should do the trick. Plus Ed should ring Dave to find out which travel agency he used to buy his ticket to see the huskies.......

Oh, yes ! A speech on global warming always helps.

Can't work out if you're being sarcastic or not(!), but I really don't think environmental issues are driving the Green surge at all. It's mainly anger over the economy/spending cuts imo.

isam said:

To be honest I voted labour because my family did and I never thought much about politics. Sounds glib, but it was only when I grew up a bit and started really analysing politics, policies etc that I stopped voting for them

So many people vote for either the Tories or Labour because it's what their parents do/did. I was probably inclined to support the Tories because it's what my parents did.

I was broadly supportive of Cameron and the Tories up until about 2012 as I thought it was important that we kept Labour out of office. But now I simply don't care as I don't think there's any difference between the main parties.

The issue of grammar schools is important to me. It's not so much because I'm desperate to go back to the grammar school system, but because I think Labour dumbed down the top of our education system. They hate any notion that some people are more intelligent than others. They hate aspiration. They hate the notion that some people are more likely to succeed than others.

I went to a comp and there were 37 of us in my Year 11 maths class. The reason is simple, we were all going to get A/A* grades and the current system encourages schools to focus on getting as many kids to get 5 A to C grades.

That's fine, but the smarter kids in the comp system are then put at a disadvantage when up against kids at private schools where they really stretch them.

Aucastrating!! :0

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Aucastrating!! :0

That was the one. :-) I was wondering how long it would be before someone else picked up on it.

Ouch!

TheScreamingEagles said:

Ed Miliband’s chances of winning the general election are dealt a blow by research for the Observer showing the surge in support for the Greens could seriously damage Labour’s hopes in 22 seats that will help decide who enters Downing Street in May.

With just over 100 days before polling, the rise of the Greens is causing serious anxiety in Labour’s high command, as worries grow that many left-leaning voters, particularly students and first-time voters, are rejecting Miliband’s agenda in favour of a more radical leftwing offering. With the SNP already threatening Labour in at least 20 of its traditional strongholds in Scotland, the Green surge means Labour is facing a second, largely unexpected, challenge from the left, which has made the election result even more difficult to call.

A big concern for Miliband’s election team is that Labour had been banking on many who voted Lib Dem in 2010 to return to the party. But these voters could be turning instead to the Greens, weakening Labour’s bid for power in university cities and other, mainly urban, areas.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/24/green-party-surge-labour-threat-election

What about the green-minded citizens who last time voted for husky-windmill-cyclist man? Will they be sticking with the Conservatives?

YouGov

Who will be next leader of Tory party? Boris Johnson 23%, Theresa May 12% Osborne 4% David Davis 4%, Sajid Javid 2%

Who will be next Labour leader? David Miliband 18% Ed Balls 7% Andy Burnham 6% Harriet Harman 6%

Who will be next libdem leader? Vince Cable 15%, Danny Alexander 10% Tim Farron 3%. Libdem voters push Farron up to 10%

So have the PB Tories been calling Bashir a 'pig-dog' ?

What this demonstrates, again, is firstly what a crap system Euro Elections are held under and secondly what a crap bunch of human beings aspire to be Euro MPs.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Tonight's You Gov

Con 32, Lab 32, LibDem 7, UKIP 15, Green 7

I only made it to the airport lounge! If it had been delayed it would have definitely been a crossover