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  • TazTaz Posts: 19,208
    Oil now below 70 greenbacks.

    Fill up now !

    https://x.com/kobeissiletter/status/1937208186496233719?s=61
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,498
    Andy_JS said:

    The small-cocked orange baby isn't going to react calmly to this. Iran has told the world he has a button mushroom instead of a big swinging yankee dick. Trump will hit them back very hard to show the world that he is a manly man's man.

    Anything that hastens the end of the Iranian regime is a good thing imo.
    The regime is awful - no arguments there. Nor against Israel dismantling Iran's terrorist proxies. But now we're at the point of departure. It's Iran vs the rest of the Middle East and button cock told his supporters no more war. And now Iran has attacked America (even though its an empty air base) so Trump can do what he likes.

    My basic position on war is that killing people to save them is usually nonsensical. Fight war when you have no other options. Don't just invade and slaughter on a whim. This is a whim.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,208

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    *de-lurks*

    Is World War III about to kick off?

    *re-lurks*

    Can I plead with you to delurk permanently? The whys and wherefores of the last war seem meaningless compared to the direct realities of this new war. You are far closer than we are and your input to discussions would be very much appreciated.
    Ah but will he be treated with courtesy and respect, or subjected to the usual PB purity test where not holding one view automatically makes you a shill for our enemies ?

    With his personal investment in both Ukraine and the Middle East why subject yourself to it from people thousands of miles away 🤔
    Physical location does not matter. Neither does stated attachments.

    You simply cannot support Ukraine and Trump. I treated @Sandpit with courtesy and respect, whilst pointing that out. I often liked his comments, and valued his input. But it did not detract from the fact you simply cannot support Trump and Ukraine.

    If Sandpit would like to tell us how the first ~6 months of Trump's presidency has helped Ukraine, I'd be all ears.
    You certainly treated him with the same respect you treat everyone else. 👍
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,930

    Andy_JS said:

    The small-cocked orange baby isn't going to react calmly to this. Iran has told the world he has a button mushroom instead of a big swinging yankee dick. Trump will hit them back very hard to show the world that he is a manly man's man.

    Anything that hastens the end of the Iranian regime is a good thing imo.
    The regime is awful - no arguments there. Nor against Israel dismantling Iran's terrorist proxies. But now we're at the point of departure. It's Iran vs the rest of the Middle East and button cock told his supporters no more war. And now Iran has attacked America (even though its an empty air base) so Trump can do what he likes.

    My basic position on war is that killing people to save them is usually nonsensical. Fight war when you have no other options. Don't just invade and slaughter on a whim. This is a whim.
    I'm much more of the opinion that fighting evil is a good thing and that for evil to succeed, all it takes is good to do nothing.

    This is not a whim though. Iran had enriched uranium and was getting too close to a nuclear weapon.

    The biggest problem with the attacks on Iran is that they'd have been better done years ago before they had enriched uranium.

    Better late than never though.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,688
    AnneJGP said:

    On PB at the moment: your choice between a ring-side seat as the WWIII overture gets under way; or the latest from the really thrilling test match. (Fog in Channel, rest of the world isolated.)

    The Test Match is real. WWIII isn't going to occur, at least not during the current series with India.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,995
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    *de-lurks*

    Is World War III about to kick off?

    *re-lurks*

    Can I plead with you to delurk permanently? The whys and wherefores of the last war seem meaningless compared to the direct realities of this new war. You are far closer than we are and your input to discussions would be very much appreciated.
    Ah but will he be treated with courtesy and respect, or subjected to the usual PB purity test where not holding one view automatically makes you a shill for our enemies ?

    With his personal investment in both Ukraine and the Middle East why subject yourself to it from people thousands of miles away 🤔
    Physical location does not matter. Neither does stated attachments.

    You simply cannot support Ukraine and Trump. I treated @Sandpit with courtesy and respect, whilst pointing that out. I often liked his comments, and valued his input. But it did not detract from the fact you simply cannot support Trump and Ukraine.

    If Sandpit would like to tell us how the first ~6 months of Trump's presidency has helped Ukraine, I'd be all ears.
    You certainly treated him with the same respect you treat everyone else. 👍
    ???
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,843

    I'm much more of the opinion that fighting evil is a good thing and that for evil to succeed, all it takes is good to do nothing.

    You have a very religious approach to politics.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,208
    Andy_JS said:

    The small-cocked orange baby isn't going to react calmly to this. Iran has told the world he has a button mushroom instead of a big swinging yankee dick. Trump will hit them back very hard to show the world that he is a manly man's man.

    Anything that hastens the end of the Iranian regime is a good thing imo.
    Yes. The Israeli strike on the IRGC supposedly dispatched hundreds. Problem is what comes next given how useless the west is at regime change

    My Barber is Iranian, has pictures of the Shah and has protested against the regime in Newcastle.

    I dropped him a message last week. His family are okay.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,930

    I'm much more of the opinion that fighting evil is a good thing and that for evil to succeed, all it takes is good to do nothing.

    You have a very religious approach to politics.
    Atheists can believe in good and evil.

    Liberal democracies where people have rights ... good.

    Authoritarian dictatorships where people are oppressed ... evil.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,240

    Am I the only one who thinks Starmer is doing okay (just okay, not amazing)?

    I'm not so deluded as to think the UK is a world power, or even a major regional one anymore.

    I don't think whomever is in charge could seriously turn things around; whether that be Badenoch, Starmer, Farage, Davey or Denyer.

    We're living in bad times, with bad actors like Trump, Xi, Putin all pretending to be the good guys but doing horrible things, and no one really wants to make the tough choices to stop them, or explain to us that, yep, our economies are so interlinked if Trump fucks up America, he fucks up the world.....

    I agree. Given a hypothetical choice, a world run by, say, Starmer and Macron
    would be considerably safer and saner than one run by Trump, Netanyahu and Putin.
    Arguably the world was run by Starmers and Macrons in the past and their failure to address the underlying problems created the conditions that Trump et al could win
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,498

    Andy_JS said:

    The small-cocked orange baby isn't going to react calmly to this. Iran has told the world he has a button mushroom instead of a big swinging yankee dick. Trump will hit them back very hard to show the world that he is a manly man's man.

    Anything that hastens the end of the Iranian regime is a good thing imo.
    The regime is awful - no arguments there. Nor against Israel dismantling Iran's terrorist proxies. But now we're at the point of departure. It's Iran vs the rest of the Middle East and button cock told his supporters no more war. And now Iran has attacked America (even though its an empty air base) so Trump can do what he likes.

    My basic position on war is that killing people to save them is usually nonsensical. Fight war when you have no other options. Don't just invade and slaughter on a whim. This is a whim.
    I'm much more of the opinion that fighting evil is a good thing and that for evil to succeed, all it takes is good to do nothing.

    This is not a whim though. Iran had enriched uranium and was getting too close to a nuclear weapon.

    The biggest problem with the attacks on Iran is that they'd have been better done years ago before they had enriched uranium.

    Better late than never though.
    Well, we say getting close. Supposedly the enriched uranium was under that base. Trump said he obliterated it - no radiactivity. And then Israel had to attack it despite supposedly being smashed by button cock.

    I remember all the claims about Iraq's weapons - they didn't exist.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,916
    Pulpstar said:

    Easily repelled attack against a largely abandoned US base ?

    De-escalating move tbh

    Israeli attacks across the course of today didn’t seem very de-escalatey. Let’s see what they do in the next 24hrs but part of me does wonder if crude traders have spaffed their relief sale orders a little too early
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,388
    Absolutely crazy move by Iran to drag Qatar into this even if they did warn Qatar in advance of the attack on US military base there.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,077
    edited June 23
    MAJOR UPDATE

    Posters this morning were quite right when they said my insurer would be unable to drop the price that much. They managed to magic £100 by removing and then adding parents as named drivers (?), but they were still £200 north of the competition.

    So I've switched providers and will use the balance to buy the materials for an Anderson Shelter. Those twats who paved over their lawns aren't laughing now (though they do have marginally cheaper insurance).
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,267

    Andy_JS said:

    The small-cocked orange baby isn't going to react calmly to this. Iran has told the world he has a button mushroom instead of a big swinging yankee dick. Trump will hit them back very hard to show the world that he is a manly man's man.

    Anything that hastens the end of the Iranian regime is a good thing imo.
    The regime is awful - no arguments there. Nor against Israel dismantling Iran's terrorist proxies. But now we're at the point of departure. It's Iran vs the rest of the Middle East and button cock told his supporters no more war. And now Iran has attacked America (even though its an empty air base) so Trump can do what he likes.

    My basic position on war is that killing people to save them is usually nonsensical. Fight war when you have no other options. Don't just invade and slaughter on a whim. This is a whim.
    Israel's only gone and blown the bloody doors off.

    Israel has struck Tehran's notorious Evin prison and damaged parts of the facility, which holds many political detainees, Iran's judiciary says.
    ...
    Israel's defence minister said it hit "regime targets and agencies of government repression" across Tehran, including Evin.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8621gnknjo

    Israel is after regime change.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,826
    Just spent 5 mins on BlueSky. Discovered most people on there don't like Israel very much. Left the site.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,658
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    *de-lurks*

    Is World War III about to kick off?

    *re-lurks*

    Can I plead with you to delurk permanently? The whys and wherefores of the last war seem meaningless compared to the direct realities of this new war. You are far closer than we are and your input to discussions would be very much appreciated.
    Ah but will he be treated with courtesy and respect, or subjected to the usual PB purity test where not holding one view automatically makes you a shill for our enemies ?

    With his personal investment in both Ukraine and the Middle East why subject yourself to it from people thousands of miles away 🤔
    Physical location does not matter. Neither does stated attachments.

    You simply cannot support Ukraine and Trump. I treated @Sandpit with courtesy and respect, whilst pointing that out. I often liked his comments, and valued his input. But it did not detract from the fact you simply cannot support Trump and Ukraine.

    If Sandpit would like to tell us how the first ~6 months of Trump's presidency has helped Ukraine, I'd be all ears.
    You certainly treated him with the same respect you treat everyone else. 👍
    I don't think that day was one of Josias's most pointed moments, but we've gone straight back to re-litigating a 6 month old argument.

    Perhaps if you want Sandpit to stay, give him the space to post on today's issues and then, when he's ready, just allow him a blank page to elaborate his current views on Trump and Ukraine, whether or not they have changed and respond from there.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,498
    Andy_JS said:

    Just spent 5 mins on BlueSky. Discovered most people on there don't like Israel very much. Left the site.

    You mis-spelled it. Its called BlueShite
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,843
    https://x.com/warmonitor3/status/1937210200366207302

    Saudi Arabia-"We support Qatar in all its measures"
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,240
    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    AnneJGP said:

    On PB at the moment: your choice between a ring-side seat as the WWIII overture gets under way; or the latest from the really thrilling test match. (Fog in Channel, rest of the world isolated.)

    But England only need 371 in 10 overs, which is eminently gettable under these conditions assuming we don’t lose early wickets.
    You're back !

    Welcome.
    Seconded
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,077
    Jeezo. Family friend in Bahrain is getting spammed with messages from the government telling him to get to his "ground floor no-window room" - which he doesn't have.

    He's taping his windows up.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,354

    Andy_JS said:

    Just spent 5 mins on BlueSky. Discovered most people on there don't like Israel very much. Left the site.

    You mis-spelled it. Its called BlueShite
    Social media platforms are personal preference. I rather like seeing the posts I want to see without an algorithm controlling what I see.

    Which is why I prefer Bluesky and here to Facebook and twatter
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,603
    A face saving exercise by Iran which really should be ignored given the missiles were shot down and there were no casualties.

    Unfortunately the media seem to be driving the narrative that the USA has to respond and if so the whole situation could unravel rapidly .

  • TazTaz Posts: 19,208
    Pro_Rata said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    *de-lurks*

    Is World War III about to kick off?

    *re-lurks*

    Can I plead with you to delurk permanently? The whys and wherefores of the last war seem meaningless compared to the direct realities of this new war. You are far closer than we are and your input to discussions would be very much appreciated.
    Ah but will he be treated with courtesy and respect, or subjected to the usual PB purity test where not holding one view automatically makes you a shill for our enemies ?

    With his personal investment in both Ukraine and the Middle East why subject yourself to it from people thousands of miles away 🤔
    Physical location does not matter. Neither does stated attachments.

    You simply cannot support Ukraine and Trump. I treated @Sandpit with courtesy and respect, whilst pointing that out. I often liked his comments, and valued his input. But it did not detract from the fact you simply cannot support Trump and Ukraine.

    If Sandpit would like to tell us how the first ~6 months of Trump's presidency has helped Ukraine, I'd be all ears.
    You certainly treated him with the same respect you treat everyone else. 👍
    I don't think that day was one of Josias's most pointed moments, but we've gone straight back to re-litigating a 6 month old argument.

    Perhaps if you want Sandpit to stay, give him the space to post on today's issues and then, when he's ready, just allow him a blank page to elaborate his current views on Trump and Ukraine, whether or not they have changed and respond from there.
    I’d like Sandpit to stay but I’ve always had a cordial relationship with him and never needled him for the heck of it 👍
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,916

    Andy_JS said:

    The small-cocked orange baby isn't going to react calmly to this. Iran has told the world he has a button mushroom instead of a big swinging yankee dick. Trump will hit them back very hard to show the world that he is a manly man's man.

    Anything that hastens the end of the Iranian regime is a good thing imo.
    The regime is awful - no arguments there. Nor against Israel dismantling Iran's terrorist proxies. But now we're at the point of departure. It's Iran vs the rest of the Middle East and button cock told his supporters no more war. And now Iran has attacked America (even though its an empty air base) so Trump can do what he likes.

    My basic position on war is that killing people to save them is usually nonsensical. Fight war when you have no other options. Don't just invade and slaughter on a whim. This is a whim.
    I'm much more of the opinion that fighting evil is a good thing and that for evil to succeed, all it takes is good to do nothing.

    This is not a whim though. Iran had enriched uranium and was getting too close to a nuclear weapon.

    The biggest problem with the attacks on Iran is that they'd have been better done years ago before they had enriched uranium.

    Better late than never though.
    Well, we say getting close. Supposedly the enriched uranium was under that base. Trump said he obliterated it - no radiactivity. And then Israel had to attack it despite supposedly being smashed by button cock.

    I remember all the claims about Iraq's weapons - they didn't exist.
    I don’t think anyone believes or is claiming that Iran had a nuclear weapon? The claim, backed up by the UN, is that they had a significant amount of uranium enriched multiples beyond a civilian use case and just below the weaponisation threshold.

  • PhilPhil Posts: 2,722

    Andy_JS said:

    Just spent 5 mins on BlueSky. Discovered most people on there don't like Israel very much. Left the site.

    You mis-spelled it. Its called BlueShite
    This is the same BlueSky where they recently had a massive flameout over the fact that the BlueSky management were banning fundraisers for Gaza residents on the terribly unreasonable grounds that said fundraisers were very obviously fraudulent & being run from Myanmar.

    Pointing out that anyone donating to these fundraisers was risking being given the Mark of Cain for funding a terrorist organisation by a belligerent Trump regime even if they were legitimate & therefore recruiting for donors & bank account mules /in public/ was probably a bad idea was also not the done thing apparently.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,208

    Andy_JS said:

    Just spent 5 mins on BlueSky. Discovered most people on there don't like Israel very much. Left the site.

    You mis-spelled it. Its called BlueShite
    I saw JD Vance set up and account there and was banned 15 minutes later.

    I’ve never moved there. Thankfully my Twitter feed it fine. Investing, wrestling, Birmingham City and shit/giggles. Free of far right politics.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 19,246

    Nigelb said:

    isam said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Rahul goes, played on.

    Always really annoyed me that played on is "bowled" in the scorebook
    Why ?
    As a dismissal playing on from a poor drive wide outside off is very different from being out due to missing a straight one, or an inswinger.
    But it could be an inswinger outside off stump. The deviation is the key. Although in my experience played on is often a result of inconsistent bounce + cross bat shots.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,087
    rcs1000 said:

    Cookie said:



    Manchester City Centre. Close to the site of the Hotspur Press building. Which coincidentally is the site of a long running heritage v development standoff.

    Probably a wayward Iranian missile.
    Or a false flag Israeli one.

    ‘The birthplace of Jack Rosenthal is under disgusting antisemitic attack, the RAF must respond!’

  • TazTaz Posts: 19,208
    nico67 said:

    A face saving exercise by Iran which really should be ignored given the missiles were shot down and there were no casualties.

    Unfortunately the media seem to be driving the narrative that the USA has to respond and if so the whole situation could unravel rapidly .

    Thank God the Trumpdozer is rational enough to look past that and see the bigger picture !
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,826
    "Trump will feel enormous pressure to hit back
    Gary O'Donoghue
    Chief North America correspondent, Washington DC"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn7ze4vmk2pt
  • eekeek Posts: 30,354
    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Just spent 5 mins on BlueSky. Discovered most people on there don't like Israel very much. Left the site.

    You mis-spelled it. Its called BlueShite
    I saw JD Vance set up and account there and was banned 15 minutes later.

    I’ve never moved there. Thankfully my Twitter feed it fine. Investing, wrestling, Birmingham City and shit/giggles. Free of far right politics.
    Jd Vance isn’t banned. The problem he has is that it has decent built in moderation tools so the people he was trying to trigger just flicked the switch and ignored him
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,022
    edited June 23
    Out of interest, what's the approximate level of the hypothetical news story that lies exactly halfway between "is this the beginning of WWIII?" and "how's the cricket going?" in drama terms?
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,208
    I know working class East End lad, Tommy Skinner, isn’t to the taste of most people here. He probably drinks Madri and his perfect wine is Jacob’s Creek, however here he is with Robert Jenrick supporting his campaign over tool theft for tradesmen.

    The next step for JENRICK
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 11,848

    Out of interest, what's the approximate level of the hypothetical news story that lies exactly halfway between "is this the beginning of WWIII?" and "how's the cricket going?" in drama terms?

    Any India Pakistan match
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,995

    Out of interest, what's the approximate level of the hypothetical news story that lies exactly halfway between "is this the beginning of WWIII?" and "how's the cricket going?" in drama terms?

    Krikkit
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,208
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Just spent 5 mins on BlueSky. Discovered most people on there don't like Israel very much. Left the site.

    You mis-spelled it. Its called BlueShite
    I saw JD Vance set up and account there and was banned 15 minutes later.

    I’ve never moved there. Thankfully my Twitter feed it fine. Investing, wrestling, Birmingham City and shit/giggles. Free of far right politics.
    Jd Vance isn’t banned. The problem he has is that it has decent built in moderation tools so the people he was trying to trigger just flicked the switch and ignored him
    Oh come on.

    He was banned. Within 15 minutes.

    Sure, the ban came down, but he set up the account and was banned in 15 minutes.

    Decent moderation - banning people for no good reason.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,208

    Out of interest, what's the approximate level of the hypothetical news story that lies exactly halfway between "is this the beginning of WWIII?" and "how's the cricket going?" in drama terms?

    Krikkit
    For me the least good of the hitchhikers books.
  • isam said:

    I think Farage is making a mistake in presenting creative economic policies that lead to this sort of criticism. It will scare off the voters needed to win. The gap in immigration rhetoric is enough


    John Rentoul’s View from Westminster email

    “Nigel Truss in Liz Farage’s clothing
    Nigel Farage unveiled his plan for a Robin Hood tax and it turned out to be exactly the Truss-style unfunded nonsense we all knew it would be.

    The Reform leader stole The Independent’s name for an idea that we have promoted for some time: reform the non-dom regime to give the globally mobile rich an incentive to live, employ and spend in the UK – a favourable tax treatment that would bring in more revenue than it would give up.

    The key, of course, is to get the balance right between the tax giveaway and raising revenue.

    It goes without saying that Farage’s scheme gets the balance wrong. Dan Neidle, the tax lawyer who is Labour leaning but has been rude about Labour’s tax plans, says the plan would lose £7bn a year. ”


    What was it Lucky said earlier today ? "It's called competition".

    Well, if the competition is "who can come up with the most half arsed economically illiterate plan ?" then it looks like we have a winner .
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,934
    Sandpit said:

    Is World War III about to kick off?

    Yay! Le @Sandpit est retourne! Are you looking forward to the upcoming nuclear apocalypse? :)

  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,589
    edited June 23
    Can I un-brace now? This site seems to be in permanent WWIII mode at times, I half expect to look up from scrolling and see the mushroom clouds through the window.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,434

    Can I un-brace now? This site seems to be in permanent WWIII mode at times, I half expect to look up from scrolling and see the mushroom clouds through the window.

    The time to truly brace is when all of PB is sighing 'phew, that was close.'

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,842
    edited June 23
    Taz said:

    I know working class East End lad, Tommy Skinner, isn’t to the taste of most people here. He probably drinks Madri and his perfect wine is Jacob’s Creek, however here he is with Robert Jenrick supporting his campaign over tool theft for tradesmen.

    The next step for JENRICK

    I bet he never gets trapped in the first class of a train to Cornwall unable to have a drink because he needs a corkscrew to open his vino. I reckon he would even help out a fellow passenger who was in this predicament using the shoe trick.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,031
    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Is World War III about to kick off?

    Yay! Le @Sandpit est retourne! Are you looking forward to the upcoming nuclear apocalypse? :)

    Looks like we avoided it, at least tonight anyway.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,995
    rkrkrk said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    *de-lurks*

    Is World War III about to kick off?

    *re-lurks*

    Can I plead with you to delurk permanently? The whys and wherefores of the last war seem meaningless compared to the direct realities of this new war. You are far closer than we are and your input to discussions would be very much appreciated.
    Ah but will he be treated with courtesy and respect, or subjected to the usual PB purity test where not holding one view automatically makes you a shill for our enemies ?

    With his personal investment in both Ukraine and the Middle East why subject yourself to it from people thousands of miles away 🤔
    Physical location does not matter. Neither does stated attachments.

    You simply cannot support Ukraine and Trump. I treated @Sandpit with courtesy and respect, whilst pointing that out. I often liked his comments, and valued his input. But it did not detract from the fact you simply cannot support Trump and Ukraine.

    If Sandpit would like to tell us how the first ~6 months of Trump's presidency has helped Ukraine, I'd be all ears.
    Maybe best to leave it? You don't want to be a broken record on this.
    You may think it's logically inconsistent, but he's hardly the only person to have logically inconsistent views...
    Given the events of the last few weeks, I'd strongly argue it's important to point out those inconsistencies, considering those inconsistencies are potentially driving us towards a wider conflict.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,208

    Taz said:

    I know working class East End lad, Tommy Skinner, isn’t to the taste of most people here. He probably drinks Madri and his perfect wine is Jacob’s Creek, however here he is with Robert Jenrick supporting his campaign over tool theft for tradesmen.

    The next step for JENRICK

    I bet he never gets trapped in the first class of a train to Cornwall unable to have a drink because he needs a corkscrew to open his vino. I reckon he would even help out a fellow passenger who was in this predicament using the shoe trick.
    Bosh !!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,434
    viewcode said:

    Sandpit said:

    Is World War III about to kick off?

    Yay! Le @Sandpit est retourne! Are you looking forward to the upcoming nuclear apocalypse? :)

    Ok - this is weird. I was literally thinking earlier this afternoon that when I log on I might post a message asking if anyone has heard from @Sandpit as it has been a while.

    Spooky.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,087

    Out of interest, what's the approximate level of the hypothetical news story that lies exactly halfway between "is this the beginning of WWIII?" and "how's the cricket going?" in drama terms?

    Some royal makes a heartfelt plea for something or other. Though tbf that would probably be even more irrelevant to the actualité than cricket.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,930

    Andy_JS said:

    The small-cocked orange baby isn't going to react calmly to this. Iran has told the world he has a button mushroom instead of a big swinging yankee dick. Trump will hit them back very hard to show the world that he is a manly man's man.

    Anything that hastens the end of the Iranian regime is a good thing imo.
    The regime is awful - no arguments there. Nor against Israel dismantling Iran's terrorist proxies. But now we're at the point of departure. It's Iran vs the rest of the Middle East and button cock told his supporters no more war. And now Iran has attacked America (even though its an empty air base) so Trump can do what he likes.

    My basic position on war is that killing people to save them is usually nonsensical. Fight war when you have no other options. Don't just invade and slaughter on a whim. This is a whim.
    I'm much more of the opinion that fighting evil is a good thing and that for evil to succeed, all it takes is good to do nothing.

    This is not a whim though. Iran had enriched uranium and was getting too close to a nuclear weapon.

    The biggest problem with the attacks on Iran is that they'd have been better done years ago before they had enriched uranium.

    Better late than never though.
    Well, we say getting close. Supposedly the enriched uranium was under that base. Trump said he obliterated it - no radiactivity. And then Israel had to attack it despite supposedly being smashed by button cock.

    I remember all the claims about Iraq's weapons - they didn't exist.
    Do you think the uranium doesn't exist?

    Was the IAEA lying?
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,376
    Pulpstar said:

    Easily repelled attack against a largely abandoned US base ?

    De-escalating move tbh

    If anyone had predicted 'Iran fires missiles at US base' as a good news story 6 months ago, they'd have been laughed out of the room.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 84,842
    edited June 23
    Ratters said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Easily repelled attack against a largely abandoned US base ?

    De-escalating move tbh

    If anyone had predicted 'Iran fires missiles at US base' as a good news story 6 months ago, they'd have been laughed out of the room.
    And we all thought the 2010s were a bit politically spicy....
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,668
    Andy_JS said:

    "Trump will feel enormous pressure to hit back
    Gary O'Donoghue
    Chief North America correspondent, Washington DC"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn7ze4vmk2pt

    But that was yesterday's episode. Today's another one altogether.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,589

    Ratters said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Easily repelled attack against a largely abandoned US base ?

    De-escalating move tbh

    If anyone had predicted 'Iran fires missiles at US base' as a good news story 6 months ago, they'd have been laughed out of the room.
    And we all thought the 2010s were a bit politically spicy....
    That risk of chaos with Ed Miliband, positively hair raising!
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,676

    https://x.com/warmonitor3/status/1937210200366207302

    Saudi Arabia-"We support Qatar in all its measures"

    Imv one of the risks now is that Saudi manipulates the current crisis to cement their status as top dog in the region at the expense of Iran.

    Another actor with skin in the game just adds to the risk that someone miscalculates.

    Oh and hello @Sandpit! Wonderful to see you back even if briefly before you re-lurk/we all die (delete as applicable...if there's anything left to delete when you read this).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,434
    Taz said:

    I know working class East End lad, Tommy Skinner, isn’t to the taste of most people here. He probably drinks Madri and his perfect wine is Jacob’s Creek, however here he is with Robert Jenrick supporting his campaign over tool theft for tradesmen.

    The next step for JENRICK

    It looks like the little and large show

    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1937201004560412903


    To be serious though, I had major building work done on our house twelve years ago and even then the builders were absolutely paranoid about the vans and keeping them locked with any tools at all times unless they were literally sat in the cab eating a Greggs.

    Plus ca change etc
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,267
    Taz said:

    I know working class East End lad, Tommy Skinner, isn’t to the taste of most people here. He probably drinks Madri and his perfect wine is Jacob’s Creek, however here he is with Robert Jenrick supporting his campaign over tool theft for tradesmen.

    The next step for JENRICK

    Jenrick has seen what The Apprentice has done for Donald Trump's political career.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,077
    edited June 23
    fitalass said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Just spent 5 mins on BlueSky. Discovered most people on there don't like Israel very much. Left the site.

    What is the point of debating in an echo chamber where everyone roughly agrees politically? A big part of PB's success over the last twenty years has been the very robust cross party political debate (with a special shout out to MalcolmG) as well as the knowledgeable contributions from so many of the posters on a range of issues/topics? I don't know how many times I came away from the site thinking every day is a school day here when I learnt something new on an electic range of subjects.
    There wasn't much debate on twitter either. It was people liking your stuff or issuing you with death threats.

    Bluesky replaces twitter as a board for people sharing local history, active travel campaigning coordination and stats, nice photos of mountains. That's all I needed out of twitter and I now get 5x as much engagement on Bluesky as I do at the old place.

    Is it a bubble? Absolutely. But no one is pretending it isn't, and the "Discover" feed isn't literal Nazi propaganda.
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 1,676

    rkrkrk said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    *de-lurks*

    Is World War III about to kick off?

    *re-lurks*

    Can I plead with you to delurk permanently? The whys and wherefores of the last war seem meaningless compared to the direct realities of this new war. You are far closer than we are and your input to discussions would be very much appreciated.
    Ah but will he be treated with courtesy and respect, or subjected to the usual PB purity test where not holding one view automatically makes you a shill for our enemies ?

    With his personal investment in both Ukraine and the Middle East why subject yourself to it from people thousands of miles away 🤔
    Physical location does not matter. Neither does stated attachments.

    You simply cannot support Ukraine and Trump. I treated @Sandpit with courtesy and respect, whilst pointing that out. I often liked his comments, and valued his input. But it did not detract from the fact you simply cannot support Trump and Ukraine.

    If Sandpit would like to tell us how the first ~6 months of Trump's presidency has helped Ukraine, I'd be all ears.
    Maybe best to leave it? You don't want to be a broken record on this.
    You may think it's logically inconsistent, but he's hardly the only person to have logically inconsistent views...
    Given the events of the last few weeks, I'd strongly argue it's important to point out those inconsistencies, considering those inconsistencies are potentially driving us towards a wider conflict.
    I'd strongly argue you posting on it is not very important at all.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,916

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    *de-lurks*

    Is World War III about to kick off?

    *re-lurks*

    Can I plead with you to delurk permanently? The whys and wherefores of the last war seem meaningless compared to the direct realities of this new war. You are far closer than we are and your input to discussions would be very much appreciated.
    Ah but will he be treated with courtesy and respect, or subjected to the usual PB purity test where not holding one view automatically makes you a shill for our enemies ?

    With his personal investment in both Ukraine and the Middle East why subject yourself to it from people thousands of miles away 🤔
    Physical location does not matter. Neither does stated attachments.

    You simply cannot support Ukraine and Trump. I treated @Sandpit with courtesy and respect, whilst pointing that out. I often liked his comments, and valued his input. But it did not detract from the fact you simply cannot support Trump and Ukraine.

    If Sandpit would like to tell us how the first ~6 months of Trump's presidency has helped Ukraine, I'd be all ears.
    You are genuinely pretty immune to anyone’s viewpoint but your own, which is a pretty major reason why I too gave up on this place for months.

    But… The straitjacket on the use of military equipment has been removed. Ukrainian civilian and military deaths are assessed as slightly down since Jan 2025 than the six months prior. Net territorial losses per day are also markedly down, by around a third. Since Trump assumed office, the at times quite threatening nuclear hum emanating from Moscow has dulled. Meanwhile there (at least rhetorically) appears to be renewed effort on behalf of Europe to re-arm, as a direct consequence of trumps return.

    None of these are trivial wins for the Ukrainian people. Then there was the airbase spectacular last month. It is unknowable if there was US intelligence assistance. Or if it needed a green light that had not been forthcoming during the tail of Biden’s time. But it happened now after a supposed 18 month lead time.

    I’m sure you’re ready with some sort of aggressive response. Hopefully it falls short of telling me to fuck off and die this time, in which case perhaps I shall be minded to continue engagement with you.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,354

    Taz said:

    I know working class East End lad, Tommy Skinner, isn’t to the taste of most people here. He probably drinks Madri and his perfect wine is Jacob’s Creek, however here he is with Robert Jenrick supporting his campaign over tool theft for tradesmen.

    The next step for JENRICK

    It looks like the little and large show

    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1937201004560412903


    To be serious though, I had major building work done on our house twelve years ago and even then the builders were absolutely paranoid about the vans and keeping them locked with any tools at all times unless they were literally sat in the cab eating a Greggs.

    Plus ca change etc
    That was true 30 years ago - we had someone nick items out of our van as we moved into our first home.

    It wasn’t exactly difficult recovering the items as I wondered into the second hand shop, identified them walked to the police station 5 doors down the road and with police returned to retrieve the stolen goods.

    Rather harder to get the police to do that nowadays
  • isamisam Posts: 42,040
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    I know working class East End lad, Tommy Skinner, isn’t to the taste of most people here. He probably drinks Madri and his perfect wine is Jacob’s Creek, however here he is with Robert Jenrick supporting his campaign over tool theft for tradesmen.

    The next step for JENRICK

    I bet he never gets trapped in the first class of a train to Cornwall unable to have a drink because he needs a corkscrew to open his vino. I reckon he would even help out a fellow passenger who was in this predicament using the shoe trick.
    Bosh !!
    Blimey. Jenrick has Niles Crane levels of weediness there. His videos are usually pretty good, but Skinner is too alpha for him I think
    https://x.com/robertjenrick/status/1937201004560412903?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,208

    Taz said:

    I know working class East End lad, Tommy Skinner, isn’t to the taste of most people here. He probably drinks Madri and his perfect wine is Jacob’s Creek, however here he is with Robert Jenrick supporting his campaign over tool theft for tradesmen.

    The next step for JENRICK

    It looks like the little and large show

    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1937201004560412903


    To be serious though, I had major building work done on our house twelve years ago and even then the builders were absolutely paranoid about the vans and keeping them locked with any tools at all times unless they were literally sat in the cab eating a Greggs.

    Plus ca change etc
    For at least 30 years

    ‘NO TOOLS LEFT IN THIS VAN OVERNIGHT’

    Sticker on the back
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,267

    isam said:

    I think Farage is making a mistake in presenting creative economic policies that lead to this sort of criticism. It will scare off the voters needed to win. The gap in immigration rhetoric is enough


    John Rentoul’s View from Westminster email

    “Nigel Truss in Liz Farage’s clothing
    Nigel Farage unveiled his plan for a Robin Hood tax and it turned out to be exactly the Truss-style unfunded nonsense we all knew it would be.

    The Reform leader stole The Independent’s name for an idea that we have promoted for some time: reform the non-dom regime to give the globally mobile rich an incentive to live, employ and spend in the UK – a favourable tax treatment that would bring in more revenue than it would give up.

    The key, of course, is to get the balance right between the tax giveaway and raising revenue.

    It goes without saying that Farage’s scheme gets the balance wrong. Dan Neidle, the tax lawyer who is Labour leaning but has been rude about Labour’s tax plans, says the plan would lose £7bn a year. ”


    What was it Lucky said earlier today ? "It's called competition".

    Well, if the competition is "who can come up with the most half arsed economically illiterate plan ?" then it looks like we have a winner .
    Remember when Boris paints buses was the big news story? Some cynics said Boris lied in order to change the result of searching for Boris and buses.

    Well, Nigel Farage has come up with this shiny new distraction from the anniversary of Brexit.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,434

    Taz said:

    I know working class East End lad, Tommy Skinner, isn’t to the taste of most people here. He probably drinks Madri and his perfect wine is Jacob’s Creek, however here he is with Robert Jenrick supporting his campaign over tool theft for tradesmen.

    The next step for JENRICK

    Jenrick has seen what The Apprentice has done for Donald Trump's political career.
    Is there a book on who is going to the Aussie jungle this winter?

    It is so going to be Jenrick.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,525
    It looks like it will get far, far worse for Starmer.

    Nick Ferrari crucified Labour today for neither agreeing with Trump's weekend win nor support for Iran. It would seem to be a binary choice and Starmer doesn't know if he supports the Mullahs or Trump. Macron, Merz and Carney also seem to be fence sitting, if not as badly, almost as badly as Starmer..

    The Tories on the other hand in the form of Cartlidge and Shappsy have gone full on for the pro-Trump win and are super critical of Starmer's treason. Most Tories and Reformers have all gone full on Barty Bobbins.

    Team Kemi winning here!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,434

    Jessica Elgot
    @jessicaelgot
    ·
    34m
    BREAKING - I understand a large number of MPs - potentially 80+ and including select committee chair are signing a reasoned amendment to the welfare bill which declines to give it a second reading
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,934
    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Just spent 5 mins on BlueSky. Discovered most people on there don't like Israel very much. Left the site.

    You mis-spelled it. Its called BlueShite
    I saw JD Vance set up and account there and was banned 15 minutes later.

    I’ve never moved there. Thankfully my Twitter feed it fine. Investing, wrestling, Birmingham City and shit/giggles. Free of far right politics.
    Jd Vance isn’t banned. The problem he has is that it has decent built in moderation tools so the people he was trying to trigger just flicked the switch and ignored him
    Oh come on.

    He was banned. Within 15 minutes.

    Sure, the ban came down, but he set up the account and was banned in 15 minutes.

    Decent moderation - banning people for no good reason.
    "Banning" implies removal by a central authority. He was initially suspended but IIUC BlueSky allows for communal lists of blocked people: you subscribe to those lists and you never see the people on them. He was put on one or more of those lists. This is closer to "cancelled" than "blocked". People can still see him if they wish. His account is clearly visible here: https://bsky.app/profile/jd-vance-1.bsky.social

    Have a guess what he's talking about. :)
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,644
    edited June 23
    "The only saving grace I can see for Starmer is that the Labour Party aren’t as pro-regicide as the Tories which gives him over four years to turn things around."

    Far more importantly, the opposition are much more divided than they were under Margaret, Truss or Sunak.

    That's what's saving him in my view. He's obviously completely incompetent, totally charmless and without any convincing answers to the country's many problems, but there's no agreement on who would do any better.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,811

    It looks like it will get far, far worse for Starmer.

    Nick Ferrari crucified Labour today for neither agreeing with Trump's weekend win nor support for Iran. It would seem to be a binary choice and Starmer doesn't know if he supports the Mullahs or Trump. Macron, Merz and Carney also seem to be fence sitting, if not as badly, almost as badly as Starmer..

    The Tories on the other hand in the form of Cartlidge and Shappsy have gone full on for the pro-Trump win and are super critical of Starmer's treason. Most Tories and Reformers have all gone full on Barty Bobbins.

    Team Kemi winning here!

    In fairness, the same non-committal approach applied to the Labour policy platform did get him the job of PM…
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,525

    Taz said:

    I know working class East End lad, Tommy Skinner, isn’t to the taste of most people here. He probably drinks Madri and his perfect wine is Jacob’s Creek, however here he is with Robert Jenrick supporting his campaign over tool theft for tradesmen.

    The next step for JENRICK

    Jenrick has seen what The Apprentice has done for Donald Trump's political career.
    Is there a book on who is going to the Aussie jungle this winter?

    It is so going to be Jenrick.
    That could work very well for him. He could do with jettisoning the cartoon painting performative cruelty, and instead slagging off the Government in front of 10,000,000 viewers. It would be a brilliant opportunity.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,783

    Am I the only one who thinks Starmer is doing okay (just okay, not amazing)?

    I'm not so deluded as to think the UK is a world power, or even a major regional one anymore.

    I don't think whomever is in charge could seriously turn things around; whether that be Badenoch, Starmer, Farage, Davey or Denyer.

    We're living in bad times, with bad actors like Trump, Xi, Putin all pretending to be the good guys but doing horrible things, and no one really wants to make the tough choices to stop them, or explain to us that, yep, our economies are so interlinked if Trump fucks up America, he fucks up the world.....

    I agree. Given a hypothetical choice, a world run by, say, Starmer and Macron
    would be considerably safer and saner than one run by Trump, Netanyahu and Putin.
    Arguably the world was run by Starmers and Macrons in the past and their failure to address the underlying problems created the conditions that Trump et al could win
    Phew, thank goodness for that "arguably".
  • eekeek Posts: 30,354

    Taz said:

    I know working class East End lad, Tommy Skinner, isn’t to the taste of most people here. He probably drinks Madri and his perfect wine is Jacob’s Creek, however here he is with Robert Jenrick supporting his campaign over tool theft for tradesmen.

    The next step for JENRICK

    Jenrick has seen what The Apprentice has done for Donald Trump's political career.
    Is there a book on who is going to the Aussie jungle this winter?

    It is so going to be Jenrick.
    That could work very well for him. He could do with jettisoning the cartoon painting performative cruelty, and instead slagging off the Government in front of 10,000,000 viewers. It would be a brilliant opportunity.
    It would also work well for Kemi. Sort out the no confidence vote for the day after he enters the Jungle and watch her win it.

    More entertaining would be to lose it and ensure the coronation of Cleverley occured while Jenrick sat in the jungle unable to do a thing about it.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 19,427
    edited June 23
    The oil price has lost all the risk premium that it had gained since Israel's attacks on Iran started, so the market judgement is clearly that Iran will not attempt to close the Strait of Hormuz in any circumstance, and the risk of a wider regional war is very low.

    Fingers crossed they're right.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,589

    Taz said:

    I know working class East End lad, Tommy Skinner, isn’t to the taste of most people here. He probably drinks Madri and his perfect wine is Jacob’s Creek, however here he is with Robert Jenrick supporting his campaign over tool theft for tradesmen.

    The next step for JENRICK

    Jenrick has seen what The Apprentice has done for Donald Trump's political career.
    Is there a book on who is going to the Aussie jungle this winter?

    It is so going to be Jenrick.
    The Ayatollah might need another job by then….
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,525
    biggles said:

    It looks like it will get far, far worse for Starmer.

    Nick Ferrari crucified Labour today for neither agreeing with Trump's weekend win nor support for Iran. It would seem to be a binary choice and Starmer doesn't know if he supports the Mullahs or Trump. Macron, Merz and Carney also seem to be fence sitting, if not as badly, almost as badly as Starmer..

    The Tories on the other hand in the form of Cartlidge and Shappsy have gone full on for the pro-Trump win and are super critical of Starmer's treason. Most Tories and Reformers have all gone full on Barty Bobbins.

    Team Kemi winning here!

    In fairness, the same non-committal approach applied to the Labour policy platform did get him the job of PM…
    Nick Ferrari was like a dog with a bone with the Defence Minister. Nick wanted confirmation that the UK Government were fully behind Trump. Nick was angered that he didn't get the unqualified support for Trump that he wanted. The Tories have obliged.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,525
    kinabalu said:

    Am I the only one who thinks Starmer is doing okay (just okay, not amazing)?

    I'm not so deluded as to think the UK is a world power, or even a major regional one anymore.

    I don't think whomever is in charge could seriously turn things around; whether that be Badenoch, Starmer, Farage, Davey or Denyer.

    We're living in bad times, with bad actors like Trump, Xi, Putin all pretending to be the good guys but doing horrible things, and no one really wants to make the tough choices to stop them, or explain to us that, yep, our economies are so interlinked if Trump fucks up America, he fucks up the world.....

    I agree. Given a hypothetical choice, a world run by, say, Starmer and Macron
    would be considerably safer and saner than one run by Trump, Netanyahu and Putin.
    Arguably the world was run by Starmers and Macrons in the past and their failure to address the underlying problems created the conditions that Trump et al could win
    Phew, thank goodness for that "arguably".
    A contributor on LBC this evening said in the face of Trump and Netanyahu thank goodness for Starmer and Macron.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,783

    It looks like it will get far, far worse for Starmer.

    Nick Ferrari crucified Labour today for neither agreeing with Trump's weekend win nor support for Iran. It would seem to be a binary choice and Starmer doesn't know if he supports the Mullahs or Trump. Macron, Merz and Carney also seem to be fence sitting, if not as badly, almost as badly as Starmer..

    The Tories on the other hand in the form of Cartlidge and Shappsy have gone full on for the pro-Trump win and are super critical of Starmer's treason. Most Tories and Reformers have all gone full on Barty Bobbins.

    Team Kemi winning here!

    Nick Ferrari shows the way. A man with clear opinions not afraid to express them. Why oh why can't our wet blanket of a PM take a leaf from this crisp and decisive radio talkshow host?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,805
    isam said:

    I think Farage is making a mistake in presenting creative economic policies that lead to this sort of criticism. It will scare off the voters needed to win. The gap in immigration rhetoric is enough


    John Rentoul’s View from Westminster email

    “Nigel Truss in Liz Farage’s clothing
    Nigel Farage unveiled his plan for a Robin Hood tax and it turned out to be exactly the Truss-style unfunded nonsense we all knew it would be.

    The Reform leader stole The Independent’s name for an idea that we have promoted for some time: reform the non-dom regime to give the globally mobile rich an incentive to live, employ and spend in the UK – a favourable tax treatment that would bring in more revenue than it would give up.

    The key, of course, is to get the balance right between the tax giveaway and raising revenue.

    It goes without saying that Farage’s scheme gets the balance wrong. Dan Neidle, the tax lawyer who is Labour leaning but has been rude about Labour’s tax plans, says the plan would lose £7bn a year. ”


    I'll save the sarcasm because it's you. Nigel Farage really doesn't need to give a **** what John Rentoul thinks of his economic policy.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 78,534
    edited June 23
    deleted, as I'm very late to this one.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,934
    Speaking of which, your regular reminder that several PBers have Bluesky accounts

    https://bsky.app/starter-pack/mattwardman.bsky.social/3lfk4fvp5yv26
  • eekeek Posts: 30,354
    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    eek said:

    Taz said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Just spent 5 mins on BlueSky. Discovered most people on there don't like Israel very much. Left the site.

    You mis-spelled it. Its called BlueShite
    I saw JD Vance set up and account there and was banned 15 minutes later.

    I’ve never moved there. Thankfully my Twitter feed it fine. Investing, wrestling, Birmingham City and shit/giggles. Free of far right politics.
    Jd Vance isn’t banned. The problem he has is that it has decent built in moderation tools so the people he was trying to trigger just flicked the switch and ignored him
    Oh come on.

    He was banned. Within 15 minutes.

    Sure, the ban came down, but he set up the account and was banned in 15 minutes.

    Decent moderation - banning people for no good reason.
    "Banning" implies removal by a central authority. He was initially suspended but IIUC BlueSky allows for communal lists of blocked people: you subscribe to those lists and you never see the people on them. He was put on one or more of those lists. This is closer to "cancelled" than "blocked". People can still see him if they wish. His account is clearly visible here: https://bsky.app/profile/jd-vance-1.bsky.social

    Have a guess what he's talking about. :)
    Yep his account has a rather rare verified by Bluesky kitemark so I wouldn't say he's banned.

    The account is on a lot of moderation lists though - which is why I won't see what he says because I'm on a couple that block posters that post about Maga. Yes that problem means I may miss a few interesting comments but it keeps my blood pressure low.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,376

    It looks like it will get far, far worse for Starmer.

    Nick Ferrari crucified Labour today for neither agreeing with Trump's weekend win nor support for Iran. It would seem to be a binary choice and Starmer doesn't know if he supports the Mullahs or Trump. Macron, Merz and Carney also seem to be fence sitting, if not as badly, almost as badly as Starmer..

    The Tories on the other hand in the form of Cartlidge and Shappsy have gone full on for the pro-Trump win and are super critical of Starmer's treason. Most Tories and Reformers have all gone full on Barty Bobbins.

    Team Kemi winning here!

    The choice isn't between supporting US/Iranian action or supporting Iran. That's a ridiculous strawman.

    No one in British or European politics supports Iran. But nor do we support North Korea, Russia, or South Sudan.

    That doesn't mean you necessarily need to support the US firing missiles at them.

    I don't have a strong view on the matter either way. It's a difficult situation.

    But to claim that less-than-full-throated support of US actions is treason is ludicrous.
  • eekeek Posts: 30,354
    viewcode said:

    Speaking of which, your regular reminder that several PBers have Bluesky accounts

    https://bsky.app/starter-pack/mattwardman.bsky.social/3lfk4fvp5yv26

    Thanks for reposting that list - there were a couple of people I wasn't following..
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,267
    viewcode said:

    Speaking of which, your regular reminder that several PBers have Bluesky accounts

    https://bsky.app/starter-pack/mattwardman.bsky.social/3lfk4fvp5yv26

    Its curator requests DMs at PB but there is no PB username given.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,930

    It looks like it will get far, far worse for Starmer.

    Nick Ferrari crucified Labour today for neither agreeing with Trump's weekend win nor support for Iran. It would seem to be a binary choice and Starmer doesn't know if he supports the Mullahs or Trump. Macron, Merz and Carney also seem to be fence sitting, if not as badly, almost as badly as Starmer..

    The Tories on the other hand in the form of Cartlidge and Shappsy have gone full on for the pro-Trump win and are super critical of Starmer's treason. Most Tories and Reformers have all gone full on Barty Bobbins.

    Team Kemi winning here!

    I find it amusing that here at Mullah Corner, my view that we shouldn't allow nuclear proliferation to Iran is a "full on" position, while standing back and doing nothing to stop the Mullahs from getting nukes is considered the sensible, moderate position.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 9,401

    Taz said:

    I know working class East End lad, Tommy Skinner, isn’t to the taste of most people here. He probably drinks Madri and his perfect wine is Jacob’s Creek, however here he is with Robert Jenrick supporting his campaign over tool theft for tradesmen.

    The next step for JENRICK

    It looks like the little and large show

    https://x.com/RobertJenrick/status/1937201004560412903


    To be serious though, I had major building work done on our house twelve years ago and even then the builders were absolutely paranoid about the vans and keeping them locked with any tools at all times unless they were literally sat in the cab eating a Greggs.

    Plus ca change etc
    Interesting. Here (N Yorks) our builder over two extensions frequently left all kinds of tools lying around overnight. In the case of the second extension on the front drive or just inside the building works when there were no doors etc blocking access. It was quite reassuring in a way as nothing did seem to go missing.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,783
    Andy_JS said:

    "Trump will feel enormous pressure to hit back
    Gary O'Donoghue
    Chief North America correspondent, Washington DC"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn7ze4vmk2pt

    He should do nothing. If he responds it will be gratuitous, self-indulgent and foolish. Iran's action (so far) is symbolic, for face, de-escalatory.

    C'mon DT, surprise on the upside. It's about time you did. Big chance here. Do not forsake it.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 31,267
    OT Vanilla is planning to randomly break PB over the next couple of weeks.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,930
    Ratters said:

    It looks like it will get far, far worse for Starmer.

    Nick Ferrari crucified Labour today for neither agreeing with Trump's weekend win nor support for Iran. It would seem to be a binary choice and Starmer doesn't know if he supports the Mullahs or Trump. Macron, Merz and Carney also seem to be fence sitting, if not as badly, almost as badly as Starmer..

    The Tories on the other hand in the form of Cartlidge and Shappsy have gone full on for the pro-Trump win and are super critical of Starmer's treason. Most Tories and Reformers have all gone full on Barty Bobbins.

    Team Kemi winning here!

    The choice isn't between supporting US/Iranian action or supporting Iran. That's a ridiculous strawman.

    No one in British or European politics supports Iran. But nor do we support North Korea, Russia, or South Sudan.

    That doesn't mean you necessarily need to support the US firing missiles at them.

    I don't have a strong view on the matter either way. It's a difficult situation.

    But to claim that less-than-full-throated support of US actions is treason is ludicrous.
    All it takes for evil to succeed is good to do nothing.

    Either we stop Iran getting nukes, or they get nukes. It's that binary.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 44,087
    viewcode said:

    Speaking of which, your regular reminder that several PBers have Bluesky accounts

    https://bsky.app/starter-pack/mattwardman.bsky.social/3lfk4fvp5yv26

    PBers blathering on how they stay away from Bluesky cos it's a woke echo chamber remind me a bit of those who kept endlessly reminding everyone of which other PBers they'd blocked. Why quietly ignore people/things when you can make a big song and dance about it is very much the zeitgeist.
  • moonshinemoonshine Posts: 5,916
    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Trump will feel enormous pressure to hit back
    Gary O'Donoghue
    Chief North America correspondent, Washington DC"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn7ze4vmk2pt

    He should do nothing. If he responds it will be gratuitous, self-indulgent and foolish. Iran's action (so far) is symbolic, for face, de-escalatory.

    C'mon DT, surprise on the upside. It's about time you did. Big chance here. Do not forsake it.
    What do you think he should do if he gets “exquisite” intel that the lions share of the 60% HEU is at a given location in Iran but that for operational reasons, it’s beyond the reach of the Israeli airforce?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,682

    Andy_JS said:

    The small-cocked orange baby isn't going to react calmly to this. Iran has told the world he has a button mushroom instead of a big swinging yankee dick. Trump will hit them back very hard to show the world that he is a manly man's man.

    Anything that hastens the end of the Iranian regime is a good thing imo.
    The regime is awful - no arguments there. Nor against Israel dismantling Iran's terrorist proxies. But now we're at the point of departure. It's Iran vs the rest of the Middle East and button cock told his supporters no more war. And now Iran has attacked America (even though its an empty air base) so Trump can do what he likes.

    My basic position on war is that killing people to save them is usually nonsensical. Fight war when you have no other options. Don't just invade and slaughter on a whim. This is a whim.
    I'm much more of the opinion that fighting evil is a good thing and that for evil to succeed, all it takes is good to do nothing.

    This is not a whim though. Iran had enriched uranium and was getting too close to a nuclear weapon.

    The biggest problem with the attacks on Iran is that they'd have been better done years ago before they had enriched uranium.

    Better late than never though.
    Well, we say getting close. Supposedly the enriched uranium was under that base. Trump said he obliterated it - no radiactivity. And then Israel had to attack it despite supposedly being smashed by button cock.

    I remember all the claims about Iraq's weapons - they didn't exist.
    Do you think the uranium doesn't exist?

    Was the IAEA lying?
    IRANIUM!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,682

    It looks like it will get far, far worse for Starmer.

    Nick Ferrari crucified Labour today for neither agreeing with Trump's weekend win nor support for Iran. It would seem to be a binary choice and Starmer doesn't know if he supports the Mullahs or Trump. Macron, Merz and Carney also seem to be fence sitting, if not as badly, almost as badly as Starmer..

    The Tories on the other hand in the form of Cartlidge and Shappsy have gone full on for the pro-Trump win and are super critical of Starmer's treason. Most Tories and Reformers have all gone full on Barty Bobbins.

    Team Kemi winning here!

    I find it amusing that here at Mullah Corner, my view that we shouldn't allow nuclear proliferation to Iran is a "full on" position, while standing back and doing nothing to stop the Mullahs from getting nukes is considered the sensible, moderate position.
    Israel hasn't signed the NPT either. Along with India and Pakistan. And, oddly, South Sudan.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,934

    OT Vanilla is planning to randomly break PB over the next couple of weeks.

    How, plz?
  • RattersRatters Posts: 1,376

    Ratters said:

    It looks like it will get far, far worse for Starmer.

    Nick Ferrari crucified Labour today for neither agreeing with Trump's weekend win nor support for Iran. It would seem to be a binary choice and Starmer doesn't know if he supports the Mullahs or Trump. Macron, Merz and Carney also seem to be fence sitting, if not as badly, almost as badly as Starmer..

    The Tories on the other hand in the form of Cartlidge and Shappsy have gone full on for the pro-Trump win and are super critical of Starmer's treason. Most Tories and Reformers have all gone full on Barty Bobbins.

    Team Kemi winning here!

    The choice isn't between supporting US/Iranian action or supporting Iran. That's a ridiculous strawman.

    No one in British or European politics supports Iran. But nor do we support North Korea, Russia, or South Sudan.

    That doesn't mean you necessarily need to support the US firing missiles at them.

    I don't have a strong view on the matter either way. It's a difficult situation.

    But to claim that less-than-full-throated support of US actions is treason is ludicrous.
    All it takes for evil to succeed is good to do nothing.

    Either we stop Iran getting nukes, or they get nukes. It's that binary.
    There is more than one way to skin a cat.

    Trump chose to disengage from diplomacy that seemed to be working because Obama.

    Now he's bombing because it looks good on Fox news.

    It may be that this attack means they will be even more determined to get a nuclear bomb, with no messing around at lower levels of enrichment next time. We just don't know.


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