How many runs does Jamie Smith have to score before he makes up for his missed stumping?
I'm going with 250, which is about 225 more than he will get.
I have nothing against him, and he is unquestionably a very good batsman, but I regret the long term trend towards picking a batsman who can keep wicket a bit, rather than a good keeper who can bat a bit. Bairstow and Buttler were fairly extreme examples of the trend. Smith extends it to the point of becoming ridiculous.
I am more concerned about this trend of picking bowlers that can't bowl very well with the red ball just because they can lump it down at 90mph.
They worked this out with Rashid. Amazing white ball bowler, but a number of high quality test match batsman have said due to his grip and action, he is dead easy to pick with the red ball. I feel its a bit like that with some of the other bowlers England are picking. Huge difference in white ball vs red ball where the white ball doesn't do much after 4-5 overs, where as the skills with the red ball is keeping it moving even when it is old and knackered.
May I ask? I assumed the only difference was the colour. Why is the performance so different, please?
Not all reasons are full known. But, a couple of things are, the processing of colouring it white / lackering process makes a big difference to how long the ball stays hard, the white ball softens much more quickly (in a 50 over ball they have to use 2, one either end, as they found it never lasted and they were changing it mid innings, where as the red ball can go 80 overs). Also, it is very difficult to get and keep the shine in the way the red ball can be.
Part of Britaun's failure on crime is an incoherent half-way house between authoritarian and European approaches.
I would opt for more fully embracing the European approach - keeping jail for violent offenders, but a much heavier emphasis on education and rehabilitation. Half the problem on this is the lack of money at the moment, and the other half is the New Labour instinct to defer to the tabloid press.
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Fewer immigrants in Manchester. Singapore is absolutely full of them.
Manchester has rather a lot of immigrants too.
But, OTTOMH, ten reasons why Manchester is better than Singapore:
1) The weather. Singapore is hot and humid. It doesn't ALWAYS drizzle in Manchester. 2) The beer is better. 3) Manchester is a better night out than Singapore. 4) Our surrounding countryside is better, even taking into account Singapore's beach options. 5) British suburbia, while unfashionable, is an agreeable and convenient way to live. 6) While I only have the haziest idea of Asianwork culture, it sounds a tad demanding. By comparison, your work/life balance in Manchester is almost Scandinavian. 7) All of the hundreds of little things which make life in Britain so appealing: pubs, strawberry jam, good quality crisps, 6 music, the font on our road signs, garden centres, etc. 8) Living in Lancashire is like living in a Peter Kay sketch. Always funny, sometimes deliberately. 9) Cricket 10) I reckon British schools offer a more enjoyable and well-rounded experience than Singaporean ones.
There is much about Britain which is frustrating - 75% of which I would characterise as *grot*. But there's a lot about living in Britain which is agreeable.
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Singapore is quite a stultifying place. Ok for a short holiday but not to live.
Unless you are a socially conservative multi millionaire who likes the low tax, limited regulation and strict law and order regime of course and can easily afford a pool and air conditioning
If Starmer were to join military action presumably he would want to follow precedent and get Commons approval. That might be very problematic, hence might inform some of his thinking. We all remember Cameron and Syria.
He doesn't, hence there was no UK involvement in the strikes last night even in terms of bases. He knows at least half the Parliamentary Labour Party would vote against any UK involvement in such action with Israel and the US against Iran as would the LDs and SNP, Greens, SDLP, Independents and Plaid and he likely wouldn't get it through even with Tory and Reform and DUP support
The point you miss and has been discussed in the media if the US is attacked article 5 of NATo means that UK has a responsibility to assist the US
If the mainland US is attacked yes and if a Baltic state is attacked by Putin the US also obliged to assist though at present that more theory than certainty
Nonsense - if a US base is attacked anywhere and just look at how many they have in the middle east, or US military personnel come under fire Article 5 apply
Look up the Article - it doesn't specify geography or restrictions
In which case the European NATO treaties would also want it reaffirmed in writing by Trump that the US would intervene to protect any European NATO nation if invaded by Putin before taking action to help if a US military base was attacked by Iran
You do talk utter nonsense at times
No, just reality. Labour backbenchers and the LDs for starters would certainly vote down any UK intervention in the Middle East even if a US military base attacked without a cast iron commitment from Trump to protect all European NATO nations
It won't even come to a vote
Starmer could lose the Labour leadership if he committed British troops to the Middle East in support of Israel and the US against Iran, which is why he won't unless no alternative
There's almost zero chance of him doing this imo.
There are certainly enough Israel and Trump sceptic Labour MPs to get a challenger like Rayner or even Lewis nominated if Starmer sent British forces into action against Iran. Then under Labour leadership rules a leadership contest would go straight to Labour members who would almost certainly vote to replace Starmer as Labour leader and therefore PM in such circumstances
I'd probably vote to replace him in those (unlikely) circumstances.
125 US aircraft used and largest B2 mission ever undertaken
Sounds like this is something they have been planning for a substantial amount of time.
They have.
If Bush II had been able to get away with it, he would have done. As it was he became mired in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I think it is fairly clear that plans for striking Iran have been in play since at least the time of the War on Terror.
Its a shame it never happened then. Or any time since.
Better late than never though.
Could I ask you just to reflect slightly on such a blase attitude to military action?
I am no pacifist, and could even be persuaded that now was the right time to attack these facilities, but people will have died. They aren’t cartoon baddies, they are conscripts, scientists, and technicians doing the best for their families.
Killing must always be a last resort.
OK, reflected on it, still think it was the right thing to do.
Prevention is better than cure and better to attack such facilities before the enemy has nukes than after it.
The strike appears to have ended the Iranian nuclear program. Confirmation to come in the next 24 hours. The last step is to remove the nuclear material from the nuclear sites.”
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Fewer immigrants in Manchester. Singapore is absolutely full of them.
Manchester has rather a lot of immigrants too.
But, OTTOMH, ten reasons why Manchester is better than Singapore:
1) The weather. Singapore is hot and humid. It doesn't ALWAYS drizzle in Manchester. 2) The beer is better. 3) Manchester is a better night out than Singapore. 4) Our surrounding countryside is better, even taking into account Singapore's beach options. 5) British suburbia, while unfashionable, is an agreeable and convenient way to live. 6) While I only have the haziest idea of Asianwork culture, it sounds a tad demanding. By comparison, your work/life balance in Manchester is almost Scandinavian. 7) All of the hundreds of little things which make life in Britain so appealing: pubs, strawberry jam, good quality crisps, 6 music, the font on our road signs, garden centres, etc. 8) Living in Lancashire is like living in a Peter Kay sketch. Always funny, sometimes deliberately. 9) Cricket 10) I reckon British schools offer a more enjoyable and well-rounded experience than Singaporean ones.
There is much about Britain which is frustrating - 75% of which I would characterise as *grot*. But there's a lot about living in Britain which is agreeable.
The strike appears to have ended the Iranian nuclear program. Confirmation to come in the next 24 hours. The last step is to remove the nuclear material from the nuclear sites.”
I imagine they have successfully destroyed the centrifuges. The question is whether they got the enriched uranium.
Can't imagine it was there, certainly not all of it. If the gold is in a biscuit tin under the bed it's getting nicked
Yes, I do wonder if the whole palava about getting the US on board gave Iran time to move their enriched uranium.
Given Israel has got total air superiority, won't they have been watching for this?
Moving a couple of hundred kilograms of uranium isn't that hard - you could fit it three or four suitcases.
HEU ? I think you'd want rather more, rather smaller suitcases for that.
One of the classic Manhattan project tales. Richard Feynman was sent to inspect the enrichment plant, who weren't told what they were doing or why, to find they were stacking the finished product together in a big pile...
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Completely different environment. Cause and effect failure. Failure of applying logic. Why don't you try reading the research rather than going for a gut reaction. Look at the UK and see the impact of the birch on criminals or fear of the birch. Also worth pointing out we had capital punishment at that same time also, yet we had plenty of murders. Comparing to Singapore now is just bonkers. Too many other variables.
You just have a gut reaction that thinking applying pain will deter people. History tells us this is nonsense. Research tells us it is nonsense.
Low IQ individuals think their gut reaction are superior to proper research.
As I said centrist grandads who thinks the 1940/50s were better than now.
Yes Mrs @kjh. Whatever you say, dear. Maybe have a nap
Dah da. Another win. You always know when you win a discussion with @leon dont' you.
You’re the effete dork that was whining that I use my “superior vocabulary to bully people like you”
You should be grateful I’m in a benign mood and I’ve let you off with a gentle flick of the metaphorical ear
Er. No I didn't. You are not very good at this are you? Even though you try and protect your errors by hiding behind making your profile private, it isn't that private I am afraid (see quotes below)
So try getting your facts correct (you never ever do). It was you that was whining that I had hurt your diddums feeling not the other way around and me ticking you off that you might want to think of that when using your vocabulary against others. At no point did I complain about you bullying me, because you haven't
Here are the quotes from me at the time:
"The fact that you are taking that so seriously really does make my point in my last post more valid which is you should think a bit more when you make fun of or abuse others. If those trivial joking posts upset you, you might want to think of what effect you have on some others with your constant abrasive posts."
"It was a joke as was TSE's comment. Being a little sensitive there aren't we?. You might want to bear that in mind when you use your extensive vocabulary to abuse others which you vdo regularly.. If you can't take a little ribbing you shouldn't give it out."
How many runs does Jamie Smith have to score before he makes up for his missed stumping?
I'm going with 250, which is about 225 more than he will get.
I have nothing against him, and he is unquestionably a very good batsman, but I regret the long term trend towards picking a batsman who can keep wicket a bit, rather than a good keeper who can bat a bit. Bairstow and Buttler were fairly extreme examples of the trend. Smith extends it to the point of becoming ridiculous.
I am more concerned about this trend of picking bowlers that can't bowl very well with the red ball just because they can lump it down at 90mph.
They worked this out with Rashid. Amazing white ball bowler, but a number of high quality test match batsman have said due to his grip and action, he is dead easy to pick with the red ball. I feel its a bit like that with some of the other bowlers England are picking. Huge difference in white ball vs red ball where the white ball doesn't do much after 4-5 overs, where as the skills with the red ball is keeping it moving even when it is old and knackered.
May I ask? I assumed the only difference was the colour. Why is the performance so different, please?
Not all reasons are full known. But, a couple of things are, the processing of colouring it white / lackering process makes a big difference to how long the ball stays hard, the white ball softens much more quickly (in a 50 over ball they have to use 2, one either end, as they found it never lasted and they were changing it mid innings, where as the red ball can go 80 overs). Also, it is very difficult to get and keep the shine in the way the red ball can be.
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Fewer immigrants in Manchester. Singapore is absolutely full of them.
Manchester has rather a lot of immigrants too.
But, OTTOMH, ten reasons why Manchester is better than Singapore:
1) The weather. Singapore is hot and humid. It doesn't ALWAYS drizzle in Manchester. 2) The beer is better. 3) Manchester is a better night out than Singapore. 4) Our surrounding countryside is better, even taking into account Singapore's beach options. 5) British suburbia, while unfashionable, is an agreeable and convenient way to live. 6) While I only have the haziest idea of Asianwork culture, it sounds a tad demanding. By comparison, your work/life balance in Manchester is almost Scandinavian. 7) All of the hundreds of little things which make life in Britain so appealing: pubs, strawberry jam, good quality crisps, 6 music, the font on our road signs, garden centres, etc. 8) Living in Lancashire is like living in a Peter Kay sketch. Always funny, sometimes deliberately. 9) Cricket 10) I reckon British schools offer a more enjoyable and well-rounded experience than Singaporean ones.
There is much about Britain which is frustrating - 75% of which I would characterise as *grot*. But there's a lot about living in Britain which is agreeable.
(Cookie has never been to Asia)
True, though Singapore does top the PISA reading, Maths and science rankings of nations
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Fewer immigrants in Manchester. Singapore is absolutely full of them.
Manchester has rather a lot of immigrants too.
But, OTTOMH, ten reasons why Manchester is better than Singapore:
1) The weather. Singapore is hot and humid. It doesn't ALWAYS drizzle in Manchester. 2) The beer is better. 3) Manchester is a better night out than Singapore. 4) Our surrounding countryside is better, even taking into account Singapore's beach options. 5) British suburbia, while unfashionable, is an agreeable and convenient way to live. 6) While I only have the haziest idea of Asianwork culture, it sounds a tad demanding. By comparison, your work/life balance in Manchester is almost Scandinavian. 7) All of the hundreds of little things which make life in Britain so appealing: pubs, strawberry jam, good quality crisps, 6 music, the font on our road signs, garden centres, etc. 8) Living in Lancashire is like living in a Peter Kay sketch. Always funny, sometimes deliberately. 9) Cricket 10) I reckon British schools offer a more enjoyable and well-rounded experience than Singaporean ones.
There is much about Britain which is frustrating - 75% of which I would characterise as *grot*. But there's a lot about living in Britain which is agreeable.
(Cookie has never been to Asia)
I've been to Singapore many times, and I find it incredibly amusing that - corporal punishment aside - it's the very epitomy of things @Leon hates - i.e. it's a highly cosmopolitan city that's full to the brim of immigrants doing minimum wage jobs.
Of course, I would also note that @Leon has chosen to live in Camden.
Which is what economists call a revealed preference.
On Singapore and beer if people are visiting...Brewerkz....homegrown brewery now with a number of bars in the city, where the beers are as good as anything I have had in the UK. £10-15 a pint mind you, so London prices ;-)
The strike appears to have ended the Iranian nuclear program. Confirmation to come in the next 24 hours. The last step is to remove the nuclear material from the nuclear sites.”
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Fewer immigrants in Manchester. Singapore is absolutely full of them.
Manchester has rather a lot of immigrants too.
But, OTTOMH, ten reasons why Manchester is better than Singapore:
1) The weather. Singapore is hot and humid. It doesn't ALWAYS drizzle in Manchester. 2) The beer is better. 3) Manchester is a better night out than Singapore. 4) Our surrounding countryside is better, even taking into account Singapore's beach options. 5) British suburbia, while unfashionable, is an agreeable and convenient way to live. 6) While I only have the haziest idea of Asianwork culture, it sounds a tad demanding. By comparison, your work/life balance in Manchester is almost Scandinavian. 7) All of the hundreds of little things which make life in Britain so appealing: pubs, strawberry jam, good quality crisps, 6 music, the font on our road signs, garden centres, etc. 8) Living in Lancashire is like living in a Peter Kay sketch. Always funny, sometimes deliberately. 9) Cricket 10) I reckon British schools offer a more enjoyable and well-rounded experience than Singaporean ones.
There is much about Britain which is frustrating - 75% of which I would characterise as *grot*. But there's a lot about living in Britain which is agreeable.
(Cookie has never been to Asia)
This is delusional but touching
Well as I say, much of this is based on a very distant impression of what Singapore is like. And I'm sure it's a smart amd impressive city. But I'd be interested to know which bits you disagree with.
I'm only giving one side of the ledger, of course - these are only reasons why a Singaporean might prefer Manchester, and I quite concede there is a lot which might be preferable about Singapore too. I wouldn't, however, swap my Mancunian life for a Singaporean one, no matter how delightfully clean the streets.
On red ball v white ball, the white ball used to hoop around (think 1999 World Cup where South Africa were opening with Jacques Kallis). The cynic in me thinks the white ball was deliberately made to be rubbish because people like to watch slogging.
If they want to reinvigorate the 50 over game, take it back to being a red ball affair.
The strike appears to have ended the Iranian nuclear program. Confirmation to come in the next 24 hours. The last step is to remove the nuclear material from the nuclear sites.”
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Completely different environment. Cause and effect failure. Failure of applying logic. Why don't you try reading the research rather than going for a gut reaction. Look at the UK and see the impact of the birch on criminals or fear of the birch. Also worth pointing out we had capital punishment at that same time also, yet we had plenty of murders. Comparing to Singapore now is just bonkers. Too many other variables.
You just have a gut reaction that thinking applying pain will deter people. History tells us this is nonsense. Research tells us it is nonsense.
Low IQ individuals think their gut reaction are superior to proper research.
As I said centrist grandads who thinks the 1940/50s were better than now.
Yes Mrs @kjh. Whatever you say, dear. Maybe have a nap
Dah da. Another win. You always know when you win a discussion with @leon dont' you.
You’re the effete dork that was whining that I use my “superior vocabulary to bully people like you”
You should be grateful I’m in a benign mood and I’ve let you off with a gentle flick of the metaphorical ear
Er. No I didn't. You are not very good at this are you? Even though you try and protect your errors by hiding behind making your profile private, it isn't that private I am afraid (see quotes below)
So try getting your facts correct (you never ever do). It was you that was whining that I had hurt your diddums feeling not the other way around and me ticking you off that you might want to think of that when using your vocabulary against others. At no point did I complain about you bullying me, because you haven't
Here are the quotes from me at the time:
"The fact that you are taking that so seriously really does make my point in my last post more valid which is you should think a bit more when you make fun of or abuse others. If those trivial joking posts upset you, you might want to think of what effect you have on some others with your constant abrasive posts."
"It was a joke as was TSE's comment. Being a little sensitive there aren't we?. You might want to bear that in mind when you use your extensive vocabulary to abuse others which you vdo regularly.. If you can't take a little ribbing you shouldn't give it out."
Oh god. Stop
You’re up to 9.24 on the Cringe-o-meter. Danger zone. Think of your family
On red ball v white ball, the white ball used to hoop around (think 1999 World Cup where South Africa were opening with Jacques Kallis). The cynic in me thinks the white ball was deliberately made to be rubbish because people like to watch slogging.
If they want to reinvigorate the 50 over game, take it back to being a red ball affair.
Could that be more to do with the blind eye turned to ball "enhancement" techniques that were widespread at the time. I mean everybody needs a bottle cap in their pocket when playing cricket.
On red ball v white ball, the white ball used to hoop around (think 1999 World Cup where South Africa were opening with Jacques Kallis). The cynic in me thinks the white ball was deliberately made to be rubbish because people like to watch slogging.
If they want to reinvigorate the 50 over game, take it back to being a red ball affair.
Could that be more to do with the blind eye turned to ball "enhancement" techniques?
Maybe. Just to add, I think the 1999 World Cup ball was a Duke. Nowadays, I think they only use the dreaded Kookaburra.
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Fewer immigrants in Manchester. Singapore is absolutely full of them.
Manchester has rather a lot of immigrants too.
But, OTTOMH, ten reasons why Manchester is better than Singapore:
1) The weather. Singapore is hot and humid. It doesn't ALWAYS drizzle in Manchester. 2) The beer is better. 3) Manchester is a better night out than Singapore. 4) Our surrounding countryside is better, even taking into account Singapore's beach options. 5) British suburbia, while unfashionable, is an agreeable and convenient way to live. 6) While I only have the haziest idea of Asianwork culture, it sounds a tad demanding. By comparison, your work/life balance in Manchester is almost Scandinavian. 7) All of the hundreds of little things which make life in Britain so appealing: pubs, strawberry jam, good quality crisps, 6 music, the font on our road signs, garden centres, etc. 8) Living in Lancashire is like living in a Peter Kay sketch. Always funny, sometimes deliberately. 9) Cricket 10) I reckon British schools offer a more enjoyable and well-rounded experience than Singaporean ones.
There is much about Britain which is frustrating - 75% of which I would characterise as *grot*. But there's a lot about living in Britain which is agreeable.
(Cookie has never been to Asia)
This is delusional but touching
Well as I say, much of this is based on a very distant impression of what Singapore is like. And I'm sure it's a smart amd impressive city. But I'd be interested to know which bits you disagree with.
I'm only giving one side of the ledger, of course - these are only reasons why a Singaporean might prefer Manchester, and I quite concede there is a lot which might be preferable about Singapore too. I wouldn't, however, swap my Mancunian life for a Singaporean one, no matter how delightfully clean the streets.
This is a pretty pointless discussion if you haven’t been to Singapore
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Fewer immigrants in Manchester. Singapore is absolutely full of them.
Manchester has rather a lot of immigrants too.
But, OTTOMH, ten reasons why Manchester is better than Singapore:
1) The weather. Singapore is hot and humid. It doesn't ALWAYS drizzle in Manchester. 2) The beer is better. 3) Manchester is a better night out than Singapore. 4) Our surrounding countryside is better, even taking into account Singapore's beach options. 5) British suburbia, while unfashionable, is an agreeable and convenient way to live. 6) While I only have the haziest idea of Asianwork culture, it sounds a tad demanding. By comparison, your work/life balance in Manchester is almost Scandinavian. 7) All of the hundreds of little things which make life in Britain so appealing: pubs, strawberry jam, good quality crisps, 6 music, the font on our road signs, garden centres, etc. 8) Living in Lancashire is like living in a Peter Kay sketch. Always funny, sometimes deliberately. 9) Cricket 10) I reckon British schools offer a more enjoyable and well-rounded experience than Singaporean ones.
There is much about Britain which is frustrating - 75% of which I would characterise as *grot*. But there's a lot about living in Britain which is agreeable.
(Cookie has never been to Asia)
True, though Singapore does top the PISA reading, Maths and science rankings of nations
But where would you rather go to school? Where would you rather your kids went to school? There is much about British schools I find frustrating. But I think I'd prefer my daughters to attend the schools they are at than their Singaporean counterparts. There's more to education than education.
On red ball v white ball, the white ball used to hoop around (think 1999 World Cup where South Africa were opening with Jacques Kallis). The cynic in me thinks the white ball was deliberately made to be rubbish because people like to watch slogging.
If they want to reinvigorate the 50 over game, take it back to being a red ball affair.
Could that be more to do with the blind eye turned to ball "enhancement" techniques?
Maybe. Just to add, I think the 1999 World Cup ball was a Duke. Nowadays, I think they only use the dreaded Kookaburra.
The difference between how the Duke and Kookaburra perform is also significant. The Australians love to moan about the Duke when they play in England.
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Fewer immigrants in Manchester. Singapore is absolutely full of them.
Manchester has rather a lot of immigrants too.
But, OTTOMH, ten reasons why Manchester is better than Singapore:
1) The weather. Singapore is hot and humid. It doesn't ALWAYS drizzle in Manchester. 2) The beer is better. 3) Manchester is a better night out than Singapore. 4) Our surrounding countryside is better, even taking into account Singapore's beach options. 5) British suburbia, while unfashionable, is an agreeable and convenient way to live. 6) While I only have the haziest idea of Asianwork culture, it sounds a tad demanding. By comparison, your work/life balance in Manchester is almost Scandinavian. 7) All of the hundreds of little things which make life in Britain so appealing: pubs, strawberry jam, good quality crisps, 6 music, the font on our road signs, garden centres, etc. 8) Living in Lancashire is like living in a Peter Kay sketch. Always funny, sometimes deliberately. 9) Cricket 10) I reckon British schools offer a more enjoyable and well-rounded experience than Singaporean ones.
There is much about Britain which is frustrating - 75% of which I would characterise as *grot*. But there's a lot about living in Britain which is agreeable.
(Cookie has never been to Asia)
This is delusional but touching
Well as I say, much of this is based on a very distant impression of what Singapore is like. And I'm sure it's a smart amd impressive city. But I'd be interested to know which bits you disagree with.
I'm only giving one side of the ledger, of course - these are only reasons why a Singaporean might prefer Manchester, and I quite concede there is a lot which might be preferable about Singapore too. I wouldn't, however, swap my Mancunian life for a Singaporean one, no matter how delightfully clean the streets.
This is a pretty pointless discussion if you haven’t been to Singapore
The fact that I haven't been to Singapore is exactly why I am having the conversation! I am curious to know what about life there is better. Because apart from the (admittedly substantial) cleanliness-and-order aspect, the attractions of Singapore aren't obvious.
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Completely different environment. Cause and effect failure. Failure of applying logic. Why don't you try reading the research rather than going for a gut reaction. Look at the UK and see the impact of the birch on criminals or fear of the birch. Also worth pointing out we had capital punishment at that same time also, yet we had plenty of murders. Comparing to Singapore now is just bonkers. Too many other variables.
You just have a gut reaction that thinking applying pain will deter people. History tells us this is nonsense. Research tells us it is nonsense.
Low IQ individuals think their gut reaction are superior to proper research.
As I said centrist grandads who thinks the 1940/50s were better than now.
Yes Mrs @kjh. Whatever you say, dear. Maybe have a nap
Dah da. Another win. You always know when you win a discussion with @leon dont' you.
You’re the effete dork that was whining that I use my “superior vocabulary to bully people like you”
You should be grateful I’m in a benign mood and I’ve let you off with a gentle flick of the metaphorical ear
Er. No I didn't. You are not very good at this are you? Even though you try and protect your errors by hiding behind making your profile private, it isn't that private I am afraid (see quotes below)
So try getting your facts correct (you never ever do). It was you that was whining that I had hurt your diddums feeling not the other way around and me ticking you off that you might want to think of that when using your vocabulary against others. At no point did I complain about you bullying me, because you haven't
Here are the quotes from me at the time:
"The fact that you are taking that so seriously really does make my point in my last post more valid which is you should think a bit more when you make fun of or abuse others. If those trivial joking posts upset you, you might want to think of what effect you have on some others with your constant abrasive posts."
"It was a joke as was TSE's comment. Being a little sensitive there aren't we?. You might want to bear that in mind when you use your extensive vocabulary to abuse others which you vdo regularly.. If you can't take a little ribbing you shouldn't give it out."
Oh god. Stop
You’re up to 9.24 on the Cringe-o-meter. Danger zone. Think of your family
It's lucky you still have your Cringeometer, ours all failed last Wednesday when you were in all your pomp and circumstance all evening.
The strike appears to have ended the Iranian nuclear program. Confirmation to come in the next 24 hours. The last step is to remove the nuclear material from the nuclear sites.”
On the subject of crime, the problem is not the lack of harshness of punishment, it is that criminals don't think they're going to get caught, prosecuted, tried and convicted.
You can literally torture convicted shoplifters to death, but if said shoplifter reckons there is basically zero chance that they will ever end up actually facing punishment, then it's irrelevant.
The criminal justice system under the Conservative and coalition govnerments completely fell apart. Police stations were closed. Legal aid was cut to a level such that many trials simply don't happen, because there's noone there to represent the accused, meaning that the the court has wasted their time. And even when trials do actually happen, they are years and years after the alleged offence making witnesses memories unreliable, if they can even be found.
Justice perpetually delayed, is justice denied.
There is literally nothing that would have greater payback for the UK than properly funding all parts of the criminal justice system: police, courts and prisons. Yet, in our dumb ass desire to keep pensioners happy, we fuck up the country.
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Fewer immigrants in Manchester. Singapore is absolutely full of them.
Manchester has rather a lot of immigrants too.
But, OTTOMH, ten reasons why Manchester is better than Singapore:
1) The weather. Singapore is hot and humid. It doesn't ALWAYS drizzle in Manchester. 2) The beer is better. 3) Manchester is a better night out than Singapore. 4) Our surrounding countryside is better, even taking into account Singapore's beach options. 5) British suburbia, while unfashionable, is an agreeable and convenient way to live. 6) While I only have the haziest idea of Asianwork culture, it sounds a tad demanding. By comparison, your work/life balance in Manchester is almost Scandinavian. 7) All of the hundreds of little things which make life in Britain so appealing: pubs, strawberry jam, good quality crisps, 6 music, the font on our road signs, garden centres, etc. 8) Living in Lancashire is like living in a Peter Kay sketch. Always funny, sometimes deliberately. 9) Cricket 10) I reckon British schools offer a more enjoyable and well-rounded experience than Singaporean ones.
There is much about Britain which is frustrating - 75% of which I would characterise as *grot*. But there's a lot about living in Britain which is agreeable.
(Cookie has never been to Asia)
True, though Singapore does top the PISA reading, Maths and science rankings of nations
It depends on what you consider the full purpose of education.
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Fewer immigrants in Manchester. Singapore is absolutely full of them.
Manchester has rather a lot of immigrants too.
But, OTTOMH, ten reasons why Manchester is better than Singapore:
1) The weather. Singapore is hot and humid. It doesn't ALWAYS drizzle in Manchester. 2) The beer is better. 3) Manchester is a better night out than Singapore. 4) Our surrounding countryside is better, even taking into account Singapore's beach options. 5) British suburbia, while unfashionable, is an agreeable and convenient way to live. 6) While I only have the haziest idea of Asianwork culture, it sounds a tad demanding. By comparison, your work/life balance in Manchester is almost Scandinavian. 7) All of the hundreds of little things which make life in Britain so appealing: pubs, strawberry jam, good quality crisps, 6 music, the font on our road signs, garden centres, etc. 8) Living in Lancashire is like living in a Peter Kay sketch. Always funny, sometimes deliberately. 9) Cricket 10) I reckon British schools offer a more enjoyable and well-rounded experience than Singaporean ones.
There is much about Britain which is frustrating - 75% of which I would characterise as *grot*. But there's a lot about living in Britain which is agreeable.
(Cookie has never been to Asia)
This is delusional but touching
Well as I say, much of this is based on a very distant impression of what Singapore is like. And I'm sure it's a smart amd impressive city. But I'd be interested to know which bits you disagree with.
I'm only giving one side of the ledger, of course - these are only reasons why a Singaporean might prefer Manchester, and I quite concede there is a lot which might be preferable about Singapore too. I wouldn't, however, swap my Mancunian life for a Singaporean one, no matter how delightfully clean the streets.
This is a pretty pointless discussion if you haven’t been to Singapore
The fact that I haven't been to Singapore is exactly why I am having the conversation! I am curious to know what about life there is better. Because apart from the (admittedly substantial) cleanliness-and-order aspect, the attractions of Singapore aren't obvious.
Very cheap, reliable, clean and safe public transport. High standard of living with excellent schools and hospitals. People are extremely polite*, they queue without fuss and very quiet. Its a very high trust society e.g. you can leave your bags on tables, the zoo they let you wander into the animal enclosures to see them close up (because people aren't going to try and prod them), the airport has open fish tanks for the same reason, etc...the "don't be a dickhead" is taken very seriously, but makes for a very pleasant experience.
If you are a skilled worker, wages are high. Also its very close and easy to get to loads of up and coming countries that have very varied cultures.
But...you have to adhere to the rules and there are many. No drinking or eating within any train or train station (despite it being 37o and 90% humidity). No being drunk in public. No carrying smelly food on public transport. No crossing the road at the wrong points. Must ensure nobody ever sees you naked, even if you are in your own home.....and this is enforced with cameras everywhere and undercover police.
* other than if you try and take 5 minutes to decide what you want to eat at a Hacker centre stall, if its a Chinese lady who runs the stall, she will shout at you.
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Fewer immigrants in Manchester. Singapore is absolutely full of them.
Manchester has rather a lot of immigrants too.
But, OTTOMH, ten reasons why Manchester is better than Singapore:
1) The weather. Singapore is hot and humid. It doesn't ALWAYS drizzle in Manchester. 2) The beer is better. 3) Manchester is a better night out than Singapore. 4) Our surrounding countryside is better, even taking into account Singapore's beach options. 5) British suburbia, while unfashionable, is an agreeable and convenient way to live. 6) While I only have the haziest idea of Asianwork culture, it sounds a tad demanding. By comparison, your work/life balance in Manchester is almost Scandinavian. 7) All of the hundreds of little things which make life in Britain so appealing: pubs, strawberry jam, good quality crisps, 6 music, the font on our road signs, garden centres, etc. 8) Living in Lancashire is like living in a Peter Kay sketch. Always funny, sometimes deliberately. 9) Cricket 10) I reckon British schools offer a more enjoyable and well-rounded experience than Singaporean ones.
There is much about Britain which is frustrating - 75% of which I would characterise as *grot*. But there's a lot about living in Britain which is agreeable.
(Cookie has never been to Asia)
This is delusional but touching
Well as I say, much of this is based on a very distant impression of what Singapore is like. And I'm sure it's a smart amd impressive city. But I'd be interested to know which bits you disagree with.
I'm only giving one side of the ledger, of course - these are only reasons why a Singaporean might prefer Manchester, and I quite concede there is a lot which might be preferable about Singapore too. I wouldn't, however, swap my Mancunian life for a Singaporean one, no matter how delightfully clean the streets.
This is a pretty pointless discussion if you haven’t been to Singapore
The fact that I haven't been to Singapore is exactly why I am having the conversation! I am curious to know what about life there is better. Because apart from the (admittedly substantial) cleanliness-and-order aspect, the attractions of Singapore aren't obvious.
1. Amazing food 2. Fabulous modern architecture 3. Everything WORKS 4. The shopping! 5. Zero crime 6. Zero litter 7. Zero shoplifting 8. Great bars 9. Good nightlife 10. Balmy tropical evenings 11. Beautiful women 12. Fabulous airport 13. Great infrastructure 14. No traffic jams 15. Top notch career prospects in the right industries 16. No annoying people on trains 17. Access to all of Asia 18. Beaches, jungles, tropical islands - all accessible by boat and plane, some just half an hour away 19. Superb schools 20. Super high quality of life overall 21. World class healthcare 22. Chicken laksa
The “Big Four” accountants are cutting jobs and scaling back graduate recruitment programmes as they turn to artificial intelligence (AI) to do entry-level work.
The professional services giants Deloitte, EY, KPMG and PwC have cut hundreds of roles over the past two years as they seek to keep up £1m payouts to partners in the face of a downturn in the consulting market.
The cutbacks mean they will take on hundreds fewer school leavers and university graduates compared with in 2023, with AI able to do some of the administrative tasks they would have been given.
Perhaps they could cut profits from partners rather than just new starters seeking entry level accountancy jobs? If big firms continue like this is it much surprise populist parties of left and right continue to get traction?
Cutting entry level jobs opens the question of where accountants learn their skills. If they've stopped teaching the basics, where will the next mid-level come from?
We aren't talking auditors here we are talking business consultants where in the first couple of years they don't do very much as they don't know that much but cost the clients a fortune.
Same question.
Look at medicine. Young medics start by doing tasks that could be done by a pot plant or a reasonably bright St John Ambulance cadet – stand there, hold that and if you must faint, try to fall backwards.
Any industry could doubtless increase efficiency by axing the first rung of the ladder. The question is, who will stand on the second step next year?
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Completely different environment. Cause and effect failure. Failure of applying logic. Why don't you try reading the research rather than going for a gut reaction. Look at the UK and see the impact of the birch on criminals or fear of the birch. Also worth pointing out we had capital punishment at that same time also, yet we had plenty of murders. Comparing to Singapore now is just bonkers. Too many other variables.
You just have a gut reaction that thinking applying pain will deter people. History tells us this is nonsense. Research tells us it is nonsense.
Low IQ individuals think their gut reaction are superior to proper research.
As I said centrist grandads who thinks the 1940/50s were better than now.
Yes Mrs @kjh. Whatever you say, dear. Maybe have a nap
Dah da. Another win. You always know when you win a discussion with @leon dont' you.
You’re the effete dork that was whining that I use my “superior vocabulary to bully people like you”
You should be grateful I’m in a benign mood and I’ve let you off with a gentle flick of the metaphorical ear
Er. No I didn't. You are not very good at this are you? Even though you try and protect your errors by hiding behind making your profile private, it isn't that private I am afraid (see quotes below)
So try getting your facts correct (you never ever do). It was you that was whining that I had hurt your diddums feeling not the other way around and me ticking you off that you might want to think of that when using your vocabulary against others. At no point did I complain about you bullying me, because you haven't
Here are the quotes from me at the time:
"The fact that you are taking that so seriously really does make my point in my last post more valid which is you should think a bit more when you make fun of or abuse others. If those trivial joking posts upset you, you might want to think of what effect you have on some others with your constant abrasive posts."
"It was a joke as was TSE's comment. Being a little sensitive there aren't we?. You might want to bear that in mind when you use your extensive vocabulary to abuse others which you vdo regularly.. If you can't take a little ribbing you shouldn't give it out."
Oh god. Stop
You’re up to 9.24 on the Cringe-o-meter. Danger zone. Think of your family
Oh dear oh dear oh dear. We don't like it do we when you have the proof of your errors presented to you?
A bit tricky to deny when it is there in black and white isn't it.
So let's get this clear again shall we:
You were the one getting all upset and tearful about the post by @TheScreamingEagles and my post and not the other way around and me saying you should bear that in mind when you post about other people. Funny how you turned that about 180 degrees isn't it not thinking that I might look up the posts.
On red ball v white ball, the white ball used to hoop around (think 1999 World Cup where South Africa were opening with Jacques Kallis). The cynic in me thinks the white ball was deliberately made to be rubbish because people like to watch slogging.
If they want to reinvigorate the 50 over game, take it back to being a red ball affair.
Use the red ball for the 20 over “game”. It will be even more rubbish, and hopefully encourage proper cricket and cricketers.
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Fewer immigrants in Manchester. Singapore is absolutely full of them.
Manchester has rather a lot of immigrants too.
But, OTTOMH, ten reasons why Manchester is better than Singapore:
1) The weather. Singapore is hot and humid. It doesn't ALWAYS drizzle in Manchester. 2) The beer is better. 3) Manchester is a better night out than Singapore. 4) Our surrounding countryside is better, even taking into account Singapore's beach options. 5) British suburbia, while unfashionable, is an agreeable and convenient way to live. 6) While I only have the haziest idea of Asianwork culture, it sounds a tad demanding. By comparison, your work/life balance in Manchester is almost Scandinavian. 7) All of the hundreds of little things which make life in Britain so appealing: pubs, strawberry jam, good quality crisps, 6 music, the font on our road signs, garden centres, etc. 8) Living in Lancashire is like living in a Peter Kay sketch. Always funny, sometimes deliberately. 9) Cricket 10) I reckon British schools offer a more enjoyable and well-rounded experience than Singaporean ones.
There is much about Britain which is frustrating - 75% of which I would characterise as *grot*. But there's a lot about living in Britain which is agreeable.
(Cookie has never been to Asia)
This is delusional but touching
Well as I say, much of this is based on a very distant impression of what Singapore is like. And I'm sure it's a smart amd impressive city. But I'd be interested to know which bits you disagree with.
I'm only giving one side of the ledger, of course - these are only reasons why a Singaporean might prefer Manchester, and I quite concede there is a lot which might be preferable about Singapore too. I wouldn't, however, swap my Mancunian life for a Singaporean one, no matter how delightfully clean the streets.
This is a pretty pointless discussion if you haven’t been to Singapore
The fact that I haven't been to Singapore is exactly why I am having the conversation! I am curious to know what about life there is better. Because apart from the (admittedly substantial) cleanliness-and-order aspect, the attractions of Singapore aren't obvious.
Very cheap, reliable, clean public transport. High standard of living with excellent schools and hospitals. People are extremely polite*, they queue without fuss and very quiet. Its a very high trust society e.g. you can leave your bags on tables, the zoo they let you wander into the animal enclosures to see them close up (because people aren't going to try and prod them), the airport has open fish tanks for the same reason, etc...the "don't be a dickhead" is taken very seriously, but makes for a very pleasant experience.
If you are a skilled worker, wages are high. Also its very close and easy to get to loads of up and coming countries that have very varied cultures.
* other than if you try and take 5 minutes to decide what you want to eat at a Hacker centre stall, if its a Chinese lady who runs the stall, she will shout at you.
The street food is the very best part of Singapore.
I think if I lived there for a year I'd love it, but I think I'd get bored after a while.
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Fewer immigrants in Manchester. Singapore is absolutely full of them.
Manchester has rather a lot of immigrants too.
But, OTTOMH, ten reasons why Manchester is better than Singapore:
1) The weather. Singapore is hot and humid. It doesn't ALWAYS drizzle in Manchester. 2) The beer is better. 3) Manchester is a better night out than Singapore. 4) Our surrounding countryside is better, even taking into account Singapore's beach options. 5) British suburbia, while unfashionable, is an agreeable and convenient way to live. 6) While I only have the haziest idea of Asianwork culture, it sounds a tad demanding. By comparison, your work/life balance in Manchester is almost Scandinavian. 7) All of the hundreds of little things which make life in Britain so appealing: pubs, strawberry jam, good quality crisps, 6 music, the font on our road signs, garden centres, etc. 8) Living in Lancashire is like living in a Peter Kay sketch. Always funny, sometimes deliberately. 9) Cricket 10) I reckon British schools offer a more enjoyable and well-rounded experience than Singaporean ones.
There is much about Britain which is frustrating - 75% of which I would characterise as *grot*. But there's a lot about living in Britain which is agreeable.
(Cookie has never been to Asia)
This is delusional but touching
Well as I say, much of this is based on a very distant impression of what Singapore is like. And I'm sure it's a smart amd impressive city. But I'd be interested to know which bits you disagree with.
I'm only giving one side of the ledger, of course - these are only reasons why a Singaporean might prefer Manchester, and I quite concede there is a lot which might be preferable about Singapore too. I wouldn't, however, swap my Mancunian life for a Singaporean one, no matter how delightfully clean the streets.
This is a pretty pointless discussion if you haven’t been to Singapore
The fact that I haven't been to Singapore is exactly why I am having the conversation! I am curious to know what about life there is better. Because apart from the (admittedly substantial) cleanliness-and-order aspect, the attractions of Singapore aren't obvious.
Been there once in September 2009 and liked it a lot. It didn't feel authoritarian at all, it felt quite relaxed.
It's times like this I get punished for being into too many sports. Really want to watch the Queens final. Really want to settle into the pm session of the test. You can't go back and forth because that spoils both.
On the subject of crime, the problem is not the lack of harshness of punishment, it is that criminals don't think they're going to get caught, prosecuted, tried and convicted.
You can literally torture convicted shoplifters to death, but if said shoplifter reckons there is basically zero chance that they will ever end up actually facing punishment, then it's irrelevant.
The criminal justice system under the Conservative and coalition govnerments completely fell apart. Police stations were closed. Legal aid was cut to a level such that many trials simply don't happen, because there's noone there to represent the accused, meaning that the the court has wasted their time. And even when trials do actually happen, they are years and years after the alleged offence making witnesses memories unreliable, if they can even be found.
Justice perpetually delayed, is justice denied.
There is literally nothing that would have greater payback for the UK than properly funding all parts of the criminal justice system: police, courts and prisons. Yet, in our dumb ass desire to keep pensioners happy, we fuck up the country.
Excellent post and annoyingly something I generally forgot to mention (other than talking about properly funding non custodial sentences) in my posts.
The “Big Four” accountants are cutting jobs and scaling back graduate recruitment programmes as they turn to artificial intelligence (AI) to do entry-level work.
The professional services giants Deloitte, EY, KPMG and PwC have cut hundreds of roles over the past two years as they seek to keep up £1m payouts to partners in the face of a downturn in the consulting market.
The cutbacks mean they will take on hundreds fewer school leavers and university graduates compared with in 2023, with AI able to do some of the administrative tasks they would have been given.
Perhaps they could cut profits from partners rather than just new starters seeking entry level accountancy jobs? If big firms continue like this is it much surprise populist parties of left and right continue to get traction?
Cutting entry level jobs opens the question of where accountants learn their skills. If they've stopped teaching the basics, where will the next mid-level come from?
We aren't talking auditors here we are talking business consultants where in the first couple of years they don't do very much as they don't know that much but cost the clients a fortune.
Same question.
Look at medicine. Young medics start by doing tasks that could be done by a pot plant or a reasonably bright St John Ambulance cadet – stand there, hold that and if you must faint, try to fall backwards.
Any industry could doubtless increase efficiency by axing the first rung of the ladder. The question is, who will stand on the second step next year?
In the short term, brilliant. Cutting the first rung on the ladder saves money and means that people on rings 2 - n don't have to worry so much about youngsters taking their jobs.
In the longer term, it's a disaster, but who cares about the longer term?
(Alternatively, it's the "it might be fine for you to do X, but what if everyone else did as well?" question. See those who joyfully spent their youth indulging in sex, drugs and rock'n'roll who now prefer to deny today's youth their pleasures.)
Singapore also demonstrates that it is perfectly possible to provide decent (relatively) affordable housing to millions of people on a small island that is growing rapidly.
Population density is 8,207 people per square kilometer, against 280 in the UK. So it's 30x as dense as here.
And they have proper jungle and cool night safaris.
Britain could have aspired to be a European Singapore, on a larger scale. Instead we are going to be a European Pakistan, mixed with Argentina pre-Milei
Britain could have aspired to be a European Singapore, on a larger scale. Instead we are going to be a European Pakistan, mixed with Argentina pre-Milei
It is very very sad
If only we had the same proportion of Muslims in the UK they have in Singapore.
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Fewer immigrants in Manchester. Singapore is absolutely full of them.
Manchester has rather a lot of immigrants too.
But, OTTOMH, ten reasons why Manchester is better than Singapore:
1) The weather. Singapore is hot and humid. It doesn't ALWAYS drizzle in Manchester. 2) The beer is better. 3) Manchester is a better night out than Singapore. 4) Our surrounding countryside is better, even taking into account Singapore's beach options. 5) British suburbia, while unfashionable, is an agreeable and convenient way to live. 6) While I only have the haziest idea of Asianwork culture, it sounds a tad demanding. By comparison, your work/life balance in Manchester is almost Scandinavian. 7) All of the hundreds of little things which make life in Britain so appealing: pubs, strawberry jam, good quality crisps, 6 music, the font on our road signs, garden centres, etc. 8) Living in Lancashire is like living in a Peter Kay sketch. Always funny, sometimes deliberately. 9) Cricket 10) I reckon British schools offer a more enjoyable and well-rounded experience than Singaporean ones.
There is much about Britain which is frustrating - 75% of which I would characterise as *grot*. But there's a lot about living in Britain which is agreeable.
(Cookie has never been to Asia)
This is delusional but touching
Well as I say, much of this is based on a very distant impression of what Singapore is like. And I'm sure it's a smart amd impressive city. But I'd be interested to know which bits you disagree with.
I'm only giving one side of the ledger, of course - these are only reasons why a Singaporean might prefer Manchester, and I quite concede there is a lot which might be preferable about Singapore too. I wouldn't, however, swap my Mancunian life for a Singaporean one, no matter how delightfully clean the streets.
This is a pretty pointless discussion if you haven’t been to Singapore
The fact that I haven't been to Singapore is exactly why I am having the conversation! I am curious to know what about life there is better. Because apart from the (admittedly substantial) cleanliness-and-order aspect, the attractions of Singapore aren't obvious.
Very cheap, reliable, clean public transport. High standard of living with excellent schools and hospitals. People are extremely polite*, they queue without fuss and very quiet. Its a very high trust society e.g. you can leave your bags on tables, the zoo they let you wander into the animal enclosures to see them close up (because people aren't going to try and prod them), the airport has open fish tanks for the same reason, etc...the "don't be a dickhead" is taken very seriously, but makes for a very pleasant experience.
If you are a skilled worker, wages are high. Also its very close and easy to get to loads of up and coming countries that have very varied cultures.
* other than if you try and take 5 minutes to decide what you want to eat at a Hacker centre stall, if its a Chinese lady who runs the stall, she will shout at you.
The street food is the very best part of Singapore.
I think if I lived there for a year I'd love it, but I think I'd get bored after a while.
I think if you go to live there longer term, it is with the mindset that you will travel a lot to places in the region in order to get the variety. There is opportunity to visit some incredible countries with incredible landscapes all within a couple of hours flight.
The “Big Four” accountants are cutting jobs and scaling back graduate recruitment programmes as they turn to artificial intelligence (AI) to do entry-level work.
The professional services giants Deloitte, EY, KPMG and PwC have cut hundreds of roles over the past two years as they seek to keep up £1m payouts to partners in the face of a downturn in the consulting market.
The cutbacks mean they will take on hundreds fewer school leavers and university graduates compared with in 2023, with AI able to do some of the administrative tasks they would have been given.
Perhaps they could cut profits from partners rather than just new starters seeking entry level accountancy jobs? If big firms continue like this is it much surprise populist parties of left and right continue to get traction?
Cutting entry level jobs opens the question of where accountants learn their skills. If they've stopped teaching the basics, where will the next mid-level come from?
We aren't talking auditors here we are talking business consultants where in the first couple of years they don't do very much as they don't know that much but cost the clients a fortune.
Same question.
Look at medicine. Young medics start by doing tasks that could be done by a pot plant or a reasonably bright St John Ambulance cadet – stand there, hold that and if you must faint, try to fall backwards.
Any industry could doubtless increase efficiency by axing the first rung of the ladder. The question is, who will stand on the second step next year?
In the short term, brilliant. Cutting the first rung on the ladder saves money and means that people on rings 2 - n don't have to worry so much about youngsters taking their jobs.
In the longer term, it's a disaster, but who cares about the longer term?
(Alternatively, it's the "it might be fine for you to do X, but what if everyone else did as well?" question. See those who joyfully spent their youth indulging in sex, drugs and rock'n'roll who now prefer to deny today's youth their pleasures.)
The obvious answer is: there is no “longer term” for these careers. They are finished
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Fewer immigrants in Manchester. Singapore is absolutely full of them.
They seem to have a lot of gods there. Tamil Muslim shrine in Singapore. They also do firewalking if your toes are chilly.
Britain could have aspired to be a European Singapore, on a larger scale. Instead we are going to be a European Pakistan, mixed with Argentina pre-Milei
It is very very sad
If only we had the same proportion of Muslims in the UK they have in Singapore.
I had to chuckle when I was there...its was coming to end of Ramadan. One of the bars near my hotel was advertising, come celebrate end of Ramadan with some all you can eat $40 deal, also 2 beers for $12....
Singapore also demonstrates that it is perfectly possible to provide decent (relatively) affordable housing to millions of people on a small island that is growing rapidly.
Population density is 8,207 people per square kilometer, against 280 in the UK. So it's 30x as dense as here.
And they have proper jungle and cool night safaris.
Not sure their housing policy would fly in the UK...Too many insert certain race in this building you can't live there you can only live in that one over there.
My concern here is the rush to a precooked judgement, rather than a desire to know what happened and why.
reform going strong for the women know your place vote
Tice is a blithering idiot if he did not realise the RAF has HR managers. Chefs too, and nurses. Even at the height of the second world war, well over half the allied armies reinvading Europe after D-Day were service corp, making sure uniforms got washed and soldiers paid and fed.
Similarly, most employees of Liverpool Football Club are not footballers.
Britain could have aspired to be a European Singapore, on a larger scale. Instead we are going to be a European Pakistan, mixed with Argentina pre-Milei
It is very very sad
If only we had the same proportion of Muslims in the UK they have in Singapore.
And they don’t have juries to avoid ethnic loyalties swaying trials.
Britain could have aspired to be a European Singapore, on a larger scale. Instead we are going to be a European Pakistan, mixed with Argentina pre-Milei
It is very very sad
I think you have a point.
To my mind there are two great themes that have rather undermined us;
1. Socialism - it's not big and it's not clever 2. Immigration - from the Empire, yes. But not all the worlds loose cannons.
The solution that we seem to be reaching for (Reform) will be much worse, but perhaps we need that. (And it has to be said that Reform are simply ploughing ahead in a near vacuum of political talent elsewhere)
The “Big Four” accountants are cutting jobs and scaling back graduate recruitment programmes as they turn to artificial intelligence (AI) to do entry-level work.
The professional services giants Deloitte, EY, KPMG and PwC have cut hundreds of roles over the past two years as they seek to keep up £1m payouts to partners in the face of a downturn in the consulting market.
The cutbacks mean they will take on hundreds fewer school leavers and university graduates compared with in 2023, with AI able to do some of the administrative tasks they would have been given.
Perhaps they could cut profits from partners rather than just new starters seeking entry level accountancy jobs? If big firms continue like this is it much surprise populist parties of left and right continue to get traction?
Cutting entry level jobs opens the question of where accountants learn their skills. If they've stopped teaching the basics, where will the next mid-level come from?
We aren't talking auditors here we are talking business consultants where in the first couple of years they don't do very much as they don't know that much but cost the clients a fortune.
Same question.
Look at medicine. Young medics start by doing tasks that could be done by a pot plant or a reasonably bright St John Ambulance cadet – stand there, hold that and if you must faint, try to fall backwards.
Any industry could doubtless increase efficiency by axing the first rung of the ladder. The question is, who will stand on the second step next year?
That is a tricky one. You make a good point, but they do need to start somewhere when dealing with the real world. My wife has stated that when she qualified she actually knew damn all about actually doing the real job. They need the hands on experience and that starts with just what a pot plant can do I am afraid.
Here is a useful anecdote: In my wife's day Doctors were not taught first aid (I don't know if they are now). It is assumed they have at their disposal the tools of the trade. I am a first aider.
Many many decades ago we were one of the first on the scene of a multiple pile up on the A12. I was hopeless. My wife was magnificent.
Britain could have aspired to be a European Singapore, on a larger scale. Instead we are going to be a European Pakistan, mixed with Argentina pre-Milei
It is very very sad
If only we had the same proportion of Muslims in the UK they have in Singapore.
And they don’t have juries to avoid ethnic loyalties swaying trials.
Singapore is a living rebuke to woke ideology.
If you ask me, it's a demonstration that if you deliver clean, safe streets, good education, and economic growth, then you will get reelected.
Singapore also demonstrates that it is perfectly possible to provide decent (relatively) affordable housing to millions of people on a small island that is growing rapidly.
Population density is 8,207 people per square kilometer, against 280 in the UK. So it's 30x as dense as here.
And they have proper jungle and cool night safaris.
Not sure their housing policy would fly in the UK...Too many insert certain race in this building you can't live there you can only live in that one over there.
Like Norway, they're big on avoiding ghettoization - although it certainly exists to a certain extent. There are blocks in Singapore that are almost entirely Indian or Bangaldeshi for example.
Being as Starmer has got this horribly wrong by being too Israel-USA centric and at the same time too pro-Iranian perhaps we need Liz back after all.
Starmer has got this horribly wrong by being Starmer, apparently...
We need St. Boris back. A man who got all the big calls right and who won us the Second World War due to Churchill channelling Johnson through the mists of time and a magnificent Allied victory
Why on earth was he/they recommending Trump for the Peace Prize?
Because India announced that Trump had nothing to do with peace breaking out between them and Pakistan. So Pakistan decided to troll them (and also reckoned it would maximize their chance of being allowed to buy US military kit).
Think England will have a deficit here. Still need to learn to play within themselves a bit. Too many caught in the deep.
Tbh, I don't mind a caught in the deep if it's a byproduct of a style which scores well and quickly. I'm happy to support Bazball, and we need to accept some cheap wickets as a byproduct. But I think if I were on 99 I might have dialled it in a tad, just temporarily.
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Fewer immigrants in Manchester. Singapore is absolutely full of them.
Manchester has rather a lot of immigrants too.
But, OTTOMH, ten reasons why Manchester is better than Singapore:
1) The weather. Singapore is hot and humid. It doesn't ALWAYS drizzle in Manchester. 2) The beer is better. 3) Manchester is a better night out than Singapore. 4) Our surrounding countryside is better, even taking into account Singapore's beach options. 5) British suburbia, while unfashionable, is an agreeable and convenient way to live. 6) While I only have the haziest idea of Asianwork culture, it sounds a tad demanding. By comparison, your work/life balance in Manchester is almost Scandinavian. 7) All of the hundreds of little things which make life in Britain so appealing: pubs, strawberry jam, good quality crisps, 6 music, the font on our road signs, garden centres, etc. 8) Living in Lancashire is like living in a Peter Kay sketch. Always funny, sometimes deliberately. 9) Cricket 10) I reckon British schools offer a more enjoyable and well-rounded experience than Singaporean ones.
There is much about Britain which is frustrating - 75% of which I would characterise as *grot*. But there's a lot about living in Britain which is agreeable.
The “Big Four” accountants are cutting jobs and scaling back graduate recruitment programmes as they turn to artificial intelligence (AI) to do entry-level work.
The professional services giants Deloitte, EY, KPMG and PwC have cut hundreds of roles over the past two years as they seek to keep up £1m payouts to partners in the face of a downturn in the consulting market.
The cutbacks mean they will take on hundreds fewer school leavers and university graduates compared with in 2023, with AI able to do some of the administrative tasks they would have been given.
Perhaps they could cut profits from partners rather than just new starters seeking entry level accountancy jobs? If big firms continue like this is it much surprise populist parties of left and right continue to get traction?
Cutting entry level jobs opens the question of where accountants learn their skills. If they've stopped teaching the basics, where will the next mid-level come from?
We aren't talking auditors here we are talking business consultants where in the first couple of years they don't do very much as they don't know that much but cost the clients a fortune.
Same question.
Look at medicine. Young medics start by doing tasks that could be done by a pot plant or a reasonably bright St John Ambulance cadet – stand there, hold that and if you must faint, try to fall backwards.
Any industry could doubtless increase efficiency by axing the first rung of the ladder. The question is, who will stand on the second step next year?
In the short term, brilliant. Cutting the first rung on the ladder saves money and means that people on rings 2 - n don't have to worry so much about youngsters taking their jobs.
In the longer term, it's a disaster, but who cares about the longer term?
(Alternatively, it's the "it might be fine for you to do X, but what if everyone else did as well?" question. See those who joyfully spent their youth indulging in sex, drugs and rock'n'roll who now prefer to deny today's youth their pleasures.)
The obvious answer is: there is no “longer term” for these careers. They are finished
Graphic design, advertising. The creatives in these industries are screwed now.
The skill is going to be in how to use AI.
Already seeing AI ads and last week a Graphic Designer, freelance, was on my Linked with a ‘Desperate’ banner.
The “Big Four” accountants are cutting jobs and scaling back graduate recruitment programmes as they turn to artificial intelligence (AI) to do entry-level work.
The professional services giants Deloitte, EY, KPMG and PwC have cut hundreds of roles over the past two years as they seek to keep up £1m payouts to partners in the face of a downturn in the consulting market.
The cutbacks mean they will take on hundreds fewer school leavers and university graduates compared with in 2023, with AI able to do some of the administrative tasks they would have been given.
Perhaps they could cut profits from partners rather than just new starters seeking entry level accountancy jobs? If big firms continue like this is it much surprise populist parties of left and right continue to get traction?
Cutting entry level jobs opens the question of where accountants learn their skills. If they've stopped teaching the basics, where will the next mid-level come from?
We aren't talking auditors here we are talking business consultants where in the first couple of years they don't do very much as they don't know that much but cost the clients a fortune.
Same question.
Look at medicine. Young medics start by doing tasks that could be done by a pot plant or a reasonably bright St John Ambulance cadet – stand there, hold that and if you must faint, try to fall backwards.
Any industry could doubtless increase efficiency by axing the first rung of the ladder. The question is, who will stand on the second step next year?
In the short term, brilliant. Cutting the first rung on the ladder saves money and means that people on rings 2 - n don't have to worry so much about youngsters taking their jobs.
In the longer term, it's a disaster, but who cares about the longer term?
(Alternatively, it's the "it might be fine for you to do X, but what if everyone else did as well?" question. See those who joyfully spent their youth indulging in sex, drugs and rock'n'roll who now prefer to deny today's youth their pleasures.)
The obvious answer is: there is no “longer term” for these careers. They are finished
Graphic design, advertising. The creatives in these industries are screwed now.
The skill is going to be in how to use AI.
Already seeing AI ads and last week a Graphic Designer, freelance, was on my Linked with a ‘Desperate’ banner.
Utterly screwed.
Get a trade. Provide a service.
I'm in the middle of marking exam papers (or, rather, cajoling a bunch of markers to mark properly). I would dearly love to substitute my markers for AI.
Israel and the USA are slowly but ruthlessly dismantling Iran
#BREAKING Iran media reports 'massive explosion' in Bushehr province, home to nuclear reactor
I can smell the radiation leak from here
I’m old enough to remember when attacking (even accidentally on purpose) nuclear plants was a WAR CRIME! As you were, that was 1500 miles north of Tehran so an entirely different thing.
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But, OTTOMH, ten reasons why Manchester is better than Singapore:
1) The weather. Singapore is hot and humid. It doesn't ALWAYS drizzle in Manchester.
2) The beer is better.
3) Manchester is a better night out than Singapore.
4) Our surrounding countryside is better, even taking into account Singapore's beach options.
5) British suburbia, while unfashionable, is an agreeable and convenient way to live.
6) While I only have the haziest idea of Asianwork culture, it sounds a tad demanding. By comparison, your work/life balance in Manchester is almost Scandinavian.
7) All of the hundreds of little things which make life in Britain so appealing: pubs, strawberry jam, good quality crisps, 6 music, the font on our road signs, garden centres, etc.
8) Living in Lancashire is like living in a Peter Kay sketch. Always funny, sometimes deliberately.
9) Cricket
10) I reckon British schools offer a more enjoyable and well-rounded experience than Singaporean ones.
There is much about Britain which is frustrating - 75% of which I would characterise as *grot*. But there's a lot about living in Britain which is agreeable.
(Cookie has never been to Asia)
Prevention is better than cure and better to attack such facilities before the enemy has nukes than after it.
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 @RepMTG
Every time America is on the verge of greatness, we get involved in another foreign war.
There would not be bombs falling on the people of Israel if Netanyahu had not dropped bombs on the people of Iran first.
Israel is a nuclear armed nation.
This is not our fight.
Peace is the answer. 🙏
Liz Truss @trussliz
It's great to have US leadership again.
Together with Israel, it is saving the West.
I think you'd want rather more, rather smaller suitcases for that.
JD VANCE: “We're not at war with Iran. We're at war with Iran's nuclear program.”
Yes, that’s exactly how it works.
#BREAKING Iran media reports 'massive explosion' in Bushehr province, home to nuclear reactor
So try getting your facts correct (you never ever do). It was you that was whining that I had hurt your diddums feeling not the other way around and me ticking you off that you might want to think of that when using your vocabulary against others. At no point did I complain about you bullying me, because you haven't
Here are the quotes from me at the time:
"The fact that you are taking that so seriously really does make my point in my last post more valid which is you should think a bit more when you make fun of or abuse others. If those trivial joking posts upset you, you might want to think of what effect you have on some others with your constant abrasive posts."
"It was a joke as was TSE's comment. Being a little sensitive there aren't we?. You might want to bear that in mind when you use your extensive vocabulary to abuse others which you vdo regularly.. If you can't take a little ribbing you shouldn't give it out."
Of course, I would also note that @Leon has chosen to live in Camden.
Which is what economists call a revealed preference.
I'm only giving one side of the ledger, of course - these are only reasons why a Singaporean might prefer Manchester, and I quite concede there is a lot which might be preferable about Singapore too.
I wouldn't, however, swap my Mancunian life for a Singaporean one, no matter how delightfully clean the streets.
If they want to reinvigorate the 50 over game, take it back to being a red ball affair.
My point is that it's really easy to move. And it's also not emiting much radiation, so it's not like it's easy to sense.
He has impulsively risked launching a war that may ensnare us for generations.
It is absolutely and clearly grounds for impeachment.'
https://x.com/AOC/status/1936600627221565468
You’re up to 9.24 on the Cringe-o-meter. Danger zone. Think of your family
There is much about British schools I find frustrating. But I think I'd prefer my daughters to attend the schools they are at than their Singaporean counterparts. There's more to education than education.
Is any more proof needed that it was the right thing to do?
I once had a conversation with a flat earther. You think you have them on the ropes but the responses just get madder and madder.
You can literally torture convicted shoplifters to death, but if said shoplifter reckons there is basically zero chance that they will ever end up actually facing punishment, then it's irrelevant.
The criminal justice system under the Conservative and coalition govnerments completely fell apart. Police stations were closed. Legal aid was cut to a level such that many trials simply don't happen, because there's noone there to represent the accused, meaning that the the court has wasted their time. And even when trials do actually happen, they are years and years after the alleged offence making witnesses memories unreliable, if they can even be found.
Justice perpetually delayed, is justice denied.
There is literally nothing that would have greater payback for the UK than properly funding all parts of the criminal justice system: police, courts and prisons. Yet, in our dumb ass desire to keep pensioners happy, we fuck up the country.
If you are a skilled worker, wages are high. Also its very close and easy to get to loads of up and coming countries that have very varied cultures.
But...you have to adhere to the rules and there are many. No drinking or eating within any train or train station (despite it being 37o and 90% humidity). No being drunk in public. No carrying smelly food on public transport. No crossing the road at the wrong points. Must ensure nobody ever sees you naked, even if you are in your own home.....and this is enforced with cameras everywhere and undercover police.
* other than if you try and take 5 minutes to decide what you want to eat at a Hacker centre stall, if its a Chinese lady who runs the stall, she will shout at you.
2. Fabulous modern architecture
3. Everything WORKS
4. The shopping!
5. Zero crime
6. Zero litter
7. Zero shoplifting
8. Great bars
9. Good nightlife
10. Balmy tropical evenings
11. Beautiful women
12. Fabulous airport
13. Great infrastructure
14. No traffic jams
15. Top notch career prospects in the right industries
16. No annoying people on trains
17. Access to all of Asia
18. Beaches, jungles, tropical islands - all accessible by boat and plane, some just half an hour away
19. Superb schools
20. Super high quality of life overall
21. World class healthcare
22. Chicken laksa
Look at medicine. Young medics start by doing tasks that could be done by a pot plant or a reasonably bright St John Ambulance cadet – stand there, hold that and if you must faint, try to fall backwards.
Any industry could doubtless increase efficiency by axing the first rung of the ladder. The question is, who will stand on the second step next year?
A bit tricky to deny when it is there in black and white isn't it.
So let's get this clear again shall we:
You were the one getting all upset and tearful about the post by @TheScreamingEagles and my post and not the other way around and me saying you should bear that in mind when you post about other people. Funny how you turned that about 180 degrees isn't it not thinking that I might look up the posts.
I think if I lived there for a year I'd love it, but I think I'd get bored after a while.
Cruising
In the longer term, it's a disaster, but who cares about the longer term?
(Alternatively, it's the "it might be fine for you to do X, but what if everyone else did as well?" question. See those who joyfully spent their youth indulging in sex, drugs and rock'n'roll who now prefer to deny today's youth their pleasures.)
Population density is 8,207 people per square kilometer, against 280 in the UK. So it's 30x as dense as here.
And they have proper jungle and cool night safaris.
It is very very sad
Meanwhile. On cricket.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jun/22/cricket-county-championship-twenty20-blast-schedule-workload
@christinalamb
From foreign minister of Pakistan which had just recommended Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize
https://x.com/christinalamb/status/1936779186980446588
Similarly, most employees of Liverpool Football Club are not footballers.
Singapore is a living rebuke to woke ideology.
To my mind there are two great themes that have rather undermined us;
1. Socialism - it's not big and it's not clever
2. Immigration - from the Empire, yes. But not all the worlds loose cannons.
The solution that we seem to be reaching for (Reform) will be much worse, but perhaps we need that. (And it has to be said that Reform are simply ploughing ahead in a near vacuum of political talent elsewhere)
Here is a useful anecdote: In my wife's day Doctors were not taught first aid (I don't know if they are now). It is assumed they have at their disposal the tools of the trade. I am a first aider.
Many many decades ago we were one of the first on the scene of a multiple pile up on the A12. I was hopeless. My wife was magnificent.
Think England will have a deficit here. Still need to learn to play within themselves a bit. Too many caught in the deep.
But I think if I were on 99 I might have dialled it in a tad, just temporarily.
Page 1: discussing relative merits of the US strike on Iran.
Page 5: discussing the aerodynamics of a billiard ball.
Yes I know that is how they are supposed to work.
The skill is going to be in how to use AI.
Already seeing AI ads and last week a Graphic Designer, freelance, was on my Linked with a ‘Desperate’ banner.
Utterly screwed.
Get a trade. Provide a service.
A beyond parody post.
Why wouldn't North Korea sell them a nuke?
United Nations Security Council is set to meet later today – at the request of Tehran – after U.S. hit three nuclear sites in Iran
As you were, that was 1500 miles north of Tehran so an entirely different thing.