It’s only BAME voting which is preventing a ginormous Reform landslide
Interesting to flip it - what proportion of RUK support is white? Followed by the supplementary - is it only the hardcore racist vote that's preventing RUK sinking well behind LAB in the polls?
The first Q we can answer because it will be in the polling. And it will be high. Let's say it's of the order 93%.
The supplementary is harder though. Many white people who plan to vote for RUK will not be hardcore racists. And it's hard to quantify the number who are because 'hardcore racist' is never in the cross tabs.
42%, among voters aged 50 +, and 51%, among working class voters.
What do we think of the impact of Trump's attach on Iran itself.
I'd say Trump and Netanyahu have perhaps switched the politics in Iran - to what degree I am not sure - from Islamist Traditionalists vs people wanting reform to Iranians vs Foreign enemies. The President who has been in since last July or so if a reformer, for example reducing enforcement of "Where's your Head Covering?" type laws, and supporting more recognition of minorities.
If Starmer were to join military action presumably he would want to follow precedent and get Commons approval. That might be very problematic, hence might inform some of his thinking. We all remember Cameron and Syria.
He doesn't, hence there was no UK involvement in the strikes last night even in terms of bases. He knows at least half the Parliamentary Labour Party would vote against any UK involvement in such action with Israel and the US against Iran as would the LDs and SNP, Greens, SDLP, Independents and Plaid and he likely wouldn't get it through even with Tory and Reform and DUP support
The point you miss and has been discussed in the media if the US is attacked article 5 of NATo means that UK has a responsibility to assist the US
If the mainland US is attacked yes and if a Baltic state is attacked by Putin the US also obliged to assist though at present that more theory than certainty
Nonsense - if a US base is attacked anywhere and just look at how many they have in the middle east, or US military personnel come under fire Article 5 apply
Look up the Article - it doesn't specify geography or restrictions
In which case the European NATO treaties would also want it reaffirmed in writing by Trump that the US would intervene to protect any European NATO nation if invaded by Putin before taking action to help if a US military base was attacked by Iran
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
"Centrist Grandad" is excellent. A non-confrontational way to imply the gentleman in question is a good sort but just behind the times.
I have been called many things in my life. And I usually take it on the chin, as I am happy to dish it out
If Starmer were to join military action presumably he would want to follow precedent and get Commons approval. That might be very problematic, hence might inform some of his thinking. We all remember Cameron and Syria.
He doesn't, hence there was no UK involvement in the strikes last night even in terms of bases. He knows at least half the Parliamentary Labour Party would vote against any UK involvement in such action with Israel and the US against Iran as would the LDs and SNP, Greens, SDLP, Independents and Plaid and he likely wouldn't get it through even with Tory and Reform and DUP support
The point you miss and has been discussed in the media if the US is attacked article 5 of NATo means that UK has a responsibility to assist the US
If the mainland US is attacked yes and if a Baltic state is attacked by Putin the US also obliged to assist though at present that more theory than certainty
Nonsense - if a US base is attacked anywhere and just look at how many they have in the middle east, or US military personnel come under fire Article 5 apply
Look up the Article - it doesn't specify geography or restrictions
In which case the European NATO treaties would also want it reaffirmed in writing by Trump that the US would intervene to protect any European NATO nation if invaded by Putin before taking action to help if a US military base was attacked by Iran
You do talk utter nonsense at times
No, just reality. Labour backbenchers and the LDs for starters would certainly vote down any UK intervention in the Middle East even if a US military base attacked without a cast iron commitment from Trump to protect all European NATO nations
My concern here is the rush to a precooked judgement, rather than a desire to know what happened and why.
Being Staish of a mega station like Brize is essentially running a vast bureaucracy so she's probably better qualified than most her peers.
The RAF 'management structure' for officers is weird and quite poor for developing senior leaders. They go from having no direct subordinates (they might take operational lead of a 4 a/c flight on a mission) to commanding a squadron where they might have to supervise 100+ people.
Tice, as might be expected, is being a c-nt over this. But being a Fukker is all about presenting simplistic causes of complex problems for the eager consumption of chubby morons so, in that sense, mission accomplished.
HR managers can be vicious, Machiavellian, sanctimonious bastards. Not sure if that makes them good military officers.
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
I think there would be some aspects that wouldn't work (potential of seeking to incur such punishments for bravado, cred, or even dares), no incarceration meaning freedom to repeat offend (though there would be a powerful disincentive to do so), levels of pain inflicted being potentially problematical in the long term, but the idea is not without its plusses.
Finally!
We have massively advanced technology. We can surely devise new punishments that are truly unpleasant but do no long term damage. So they are a grave deterrent for all but the most insane hardcore types that really do need prison
We’d clear up street crime in a month
Why are we stuck with the alternatives of jail or nothing. Jail itself is a form of torture, is medieval and barbaric, and is horribly costly for all. And a breeding ground for worse criminality
Well yes, but possibly the birch might just be the best. The old ways often are.
If Starmer were to join military action presumably he would want to follow precedent and get Commons approval. That might be very problematic, hence might inform some of his thinking. We all remember Cameron and Syria.
He doesn't, hence there was no UK involvement in the strikes last night even in terms of bases. He knows at least half the Parliamentary Labour Party would vote against any UK involvement in such action with Israel and the US against Iran as would the LDs and SNP, Greens, SDLP, Independents and Plaid and he likely wouldn't get it through even with Tory and Reform and DUP support
The point you miss and has been discussed in the media if the US is attacked article 5 of NATo means that UK has a responsibility to assist the US
If the mainland US is attacked yes and if a Baltic state is attacked by Putin the US also obliged to assist though at present that more theory than certainty
Nonsense - if a US base is attacked anywhere and just look at how many they have in the middle east, or US military personnel come under fire Article 5 apply
Look up the Article - it doesn't specify geography or restrictions
In which case the European NATO treaties would also want it reaffirmed in writing by Trump that the US would intervene to protect any European NATO nation if invaded by Putin before taking action to help if a US military base was attacked by Iran
You do talk utter nonsense at times
Important to secure a pinky promise before megadeath!
The strike appears to have ended the Iranian nuclear program. Confirmation to come in the next 24 hours. The last step is to remove the nuclear material from the nuclear sites.”
Massive pinch of salt klaxon Galloway intimating a flight has taken off from Pyongyang to Tehran/Iran with special cargo
Geo Galloway claimed the Iranians had tested a bomb already. He just really really wants Iran to have a bomb
North Korea will not “lend nukes” to Iran
North Korea depends greatly on the goodwill of China to keep its economy afloat. The Chinese don’t want nuke proliferation in the Middle East
I expect the Chinese, like many, will be quietly relieved the mad mullahs are now decades from a bomb, again. Even tho they will complain on Iran's behalf in public
If Starmer were to join military action presumably he would want to follow precedent and get Commons approval. That might be very problematic, hence might inform some of his thinking. We all remember Cameron and Syria.
He doesn't, hence there was no UK involvement in the strikes last night even in terms of bases. He knows at least half the Parliamentary Labour Party would vote against any UK involvement in such action with Israel and the US against Iran as would the LDs and SNP, Greens, SDLP, Independents and Plaid and he likely wouldn't get it through even with Tory and Reform and DUP support
The point you miss and has been discussed in the media if the US is attacked article 5 of NATo means that UK has a responsibility to assist the US
If the mainland US is attacked yes and if a Baltic state is attacked by Putin the US also obliged to assist though at present that more theory than certainty
Nonsense - if a US base is attacked anywhere and just look at how many they have in the middle east, or US military personnel come under fire Article 5 apply
Look up the Article - it doesn't specify geography or restrictions
In which case the European NATO treaties would also want it reaffirmed in writing by Trump that the US would intervene to protect any European NATO nation if invaded by Putin before taking action to help if a US military base was attacked by Iran
Why? Trump will ignore any agreement he's made that he decides he doesn't like, writing or not.
You could also add a binding vote from Congress to reaffirm it as well.
Unless the US reaffirms to NATO to contain Putin why should European NATO nations bother supporting the US in the Middle East?
The strike appears to have ended the Iranian nuclear program. Confirmation to come in the next 24 hours. The last step is to remove the nuclear material from the nuclear sites.”
If Starmer were to join military action presumably he would want to follow precedent and get Commons approval. That might be very problematic, hence might inform some of his thinking. We all remember Cameron and Syria.
He doesn't, hence there was no UK involvement in the strikes last night even in terms of bases. He knows at least half the Parliamentary Labour Party would vote against any UK involvement in such action with Israel and the US against Iran as would the LDs and SNP, Greens, SDLP, Independents and Plaid and he likely wouldn't get it through even with Tory and Reform and DUP support
The point you miss and has been discussed in the media if the US is attacked article 5 of NATo means that UK has a responsibility to assist the US
If the mainland US is attacked yes and if a Baltic state is attacked by Putin the US also obliged to assist though at present that more theory than certainty
Nonsense - if a US base is attacked anywhere and just look at how many they have in the middle east, or US military personnel come under fire Article 5 apply
Look up the Article - it doesn't specify geography or restrictions
In which case the European NATO treaties would also want it reaffirmed in writing by Trump that the US would intervene to protect any European NATO nation if invaded by Putin before taking action to help if a US military base was attacked by Iran
Why? Trump will ignore any agreement he's made that he decides he doesn't like, writing or not.
You could also add a binding vote from Congress to reaffirm it as well.
Unless the US reaffirms to NATO to contain Putin why should European NATO nations bother supporting the US in the Middle East?
Hes a giant. I thought instability was surely priority?! I feel shamed by his insight
For some reason, those photos of him doing his bit for the Canadian Tourist Board in front of the majestic mountain range just get more and more irritating.
We are led by a pudding faced minnow of a man. Streeting will be pleased with the distraction today though, it might save his arse from the sack for yesterday's intervention (talking of pudding faced minnow men)
What intervention was that - I lose track.
He said the NHS probably didn't have the funds to administer killing people.
It seems there is a formidable brexit style resistance to AD bill with many in the Lords saying it was not a manifesto commitment and only had a small majority [amazingly 52/48]
Both inside the HOL and outside, opposition is mounting and I understand it has to pass all obstacles by May 26 or it will fall
This morning Farage has said he will repeal it immediately
Interesting Streeting will probably have to be moved if he continues his objections
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
If Starmer were to join military action presumably he would want to follow precedent and get Commons approval. That might be very problematic, hence might inform some of his thinking. We all remember Cameron and Syria.
He doesn't, hence there was no UK involvement in the strikes last night even in terms of bases. He knows at least half the Parliamentary Labour Party would vote against any UK involvement in such action with Israel and the US against Iran as would the LDs and SNP, Greens, SDLP, Independents and Plaid and he likely wouldn't get it through even with Tory and Reform and DUP support
The point you miss and has been discussed in the media if the US is attacked article 5 of NATo means that UK has a responsibility to assist the US
If the mainland US is attacked yes and if a Baltic state is attacked by Putin the US also obliged to assist though at present that more theory than certainty
Nonsense - if a US base is attacked anywhere and just look at how many they have in the middle east, or US military personnel come under fire Article 5 apply
Look up the Article - it doesn't specify geography or restrictions
Yes it does. You have to read it with article 6:
“For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:
on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer”.
If Starmer were to join military action presumably he would want to follow precedent and get Commons approval. That might be very problematic, hence might inform some of his thinking. We all remember Cameron and Syria.
He doesn't, hence there was no UK involvement in the strikes last night even in terms of bases. He knows at least half the Parliamentary Labour Party would vote against any UK involvement in such action with Israel and the US against Iran as would the LDs and SNP, Greens, SDLP, Independents and Plaid and he likely wouldn't get it through even with Tory and Reform and DUP support
The point you miss and has been discussed in the media if the US is attacked article 5 of NATo means that UK has a responsibility to assist the US
If the mainland US is attacked yes and if a Baltic state is attacked by Putin the US also obliged to assist though at present that more theory than certainty
Nonsense - if a US base is attacked anywhere and just look at how many they have in the middle east, or US military personnel come under fire Article 5 apply
Look up the Article - it doesn't specify geography or restrictions
In which case the European NATO treaties would also want it reaffirmed in writing by Trump that the US would intervene to protect any European NATO nation if invaded by Putin before taking action to help if a US military base was attacked by Iran
You do talk utter nonsense at times
No, just reality. Labour backbenchers and the LDs for starters would certainly vote down any UK intervention in the Middle East even if a US military base attacked without a cast iron commitment from Trump to protect all European NATO nations
Massive pinch of salt klaxon Galloway intimating a flight has taken off from Pyongyang to Tehran/Iran with special cargo
Geo Galloway claimed the Iranians had tested a bomb already. He just really really wants Iran to have a bomb
North Korea will not “lend nukes” to Iran
North Korea depends greatly on the goodwill of China to keep its economy afloat. The Chinese don’t want nuke proliferation in the Middle East
I expect the Chinese, like many, will be quietly relieved the mad mullahs are now decades from a bomb, again. Even tho they will complain on Iran's behalf in public
Yes they'll get lots of public 'support' but even Hezbollah won't crawl out from under their rocks to help. The Houthis have a go, but they are all nutcases anyway. They'd support anyone if it meant they could fire individual shit missiles at things (that fall short by several tens of miles)
If Starmer were to join military action presumably he would want to follow precedent and get Commons approval. That might be very problematic, hence might inform some of his thinking. We all remember Cameron and Syria.
He doesn't, hence there was no UK involvement in the strikes last night even in terms of bases. He knows at least half the Parliamentary Labour Party would vote against any UK involvement in such action with Israel and the US against Iran as would the LDs and SNP, Greens, SDLP, Independents and Plaid and he likely wouldn't get it through even with Tory and Reform and DUP support
The point you miss and has been discussed in the media if the US is attacked article 5 of NATo means that UK has a responsibility to assist the US
If the mainland US is attacked yes and if a Baltic state is attacked by Putin the US also obliged to assist though at present that more theory than certainty
Nonsense - if a US base is attacked anywhere and just look at how many they have in the middle east, or US military personnel come under fire Article 5 apply
Look up the Article - it doesn't specify geography or restrictions
Article 6 does though. NATO only works, to the limited extent that it works at all, north of the Tropic of Cancer.
The US wanted that provision because they didn't want to get dragged into defending the tattered remnants of the British and French Imperial possessions.
If Starmer were to join military action presumably he would want to follow precedent and get Commons approval. That might be very problematic, hence might inform some of his thinking. We all remember Cameron and Syria.
He doesn't, hence there was no UK involvement in the strikes last night even in terms of bases. He knows at least half the Parliamentary Labour Party would vote against any UK involvement in such action with Israel and the US against Iran as would the LDs and SNP, Greens, SDLP, Independents and Plaid and he likely wouldn't get it through even with Tory and Reform and DUP support
The point you miss and has been discussed in the media if the US is attacked article 5 of NATo means that UK has a responsibility to assist the US
If the mainland US is attacked yes and if a Baltic state is attacked by Putin the US also obliged to assist though at present that more theory than certainty
Nonsense - if a US base is attacked anywhere and just look at how many they have in the middle east, or US military personnel come under fire Article 5 apply
Look up the Article - it doesn't specify geography or restrictions
In which case the European NATO treaties would also want it reaffirmed in writing by Trump that the US would intervene to protect any European NATO nation if invaded by Putin before taking action to help if a US military base was attacked by Iran
Why? Trump will ignore any agreement he's made that he decides he doesn't like, writing or not.
You could also add a binding vote from Congress to reaffirm it as well.
Unless the US reaffirms to NATO to contain Putin why should European NATO nations bother supporting the US in the Middle East?
If Starmer were to join military action presumably he would want to follow precedent and get Commons approval. That might be very problematic, hence might inform some of his thinking. We all remember Cameron and Syria.
He doesn't, hence there was no UK involvement in the strikes last night even in terms of bases. He knows at least half the Parliamentary Labour Party would vote against any UK involvement in such action with Israel and the US against Iran as would the LDs and SNP, Greens, SDLP, Independents and Plaid and he likely wouldn't get it through even with Tory and Reform and DUP support
The point you miss and has been discussed in the media if the US is attacked article 5 of NATo means that UK has a responsibility to assist the US
If the mainland US is attacked yes and if a Baltic state is attacked by Putin the US also obliged to assist though at present that more theory than certainty
Nonsense - if a US base is attacked anywhere and just look at how many they have in the middle east, or US military personnel come under fire Article 5 apply
Look up the Article - it doesn't specify geography or restrictions
No, Article 5 doesn't give geographic restrictions, Article 6 however does.
Hence the attack on the Falklands did not trigger Article 5, as it was not covered because of the restrictions.
Ironically the restrictions were insisted upon by America, who did not want to be liable to protect British colonial interests, back when we still had them.
The strike appears to have ended the Iranian nuclear program. Confirmation to come in the next 24 hours. The last step is to remove the nuclear material from the nuclear sites.”
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Hes a giant. I thought instability was surely priority?! I feel shamed by his insight
For some reason, those photos of him doing his bit for the Canadian Tourist Board in front of the majestic mountain range just get more and more irritating.
We are led by a pudding faced minnow of a man. Streeting will be pleased with the distraction today though, it might save his arse from the sack for yesterday's intervention (talking of pudding faced minnow men)
What intervention was that - I lose track.
He said the NHS probably didn't have the funds to administer killing people.
And keeping them alive for 6 months has zero cost for the the NHS.
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
The strike appears to have ended the Iranian nuclear program. Confirmation to come in the next 24 hours. The last step is to remove the nuclear material from the nuclear sites.”
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
If Starmer were to join military action presumably he would want to follow precedent and get Commons approval. That might be very problematic, hence might inform some of his thinking. We all remember Cameron and Syria.
He doesn't, hence there was no UK involvement in the strikes last night even in terms of bases. He knows at least half the Parliamentary Labour Party would vote against any UK involvement in such action with Israel and the US against Iran as would the LDs and SNP, Greens, SDLP, Independents and Plaid and he likely wouldn't get it through even with Tory and Reform and DUP support
The point you miss and has been discussed in the media if the US is attacked article 5 of NATo means that UK has a responsibility to assist the US
If the mainland US is attacked yes and if a Baltic state is attacked by Putin the US also obliged to assist though at present that more theory than certainty
Nonsense - if a US base is attacked anywhere and just look at how many they have in the middle east, or US military personnel come under fire Article 5 apply
Look up the Article - it doesn't specify geography or restrictions
No, Article 5 doesn't give geographic restrictions, Article 6 however does.
Hence the attack on the Falklands did not trigger Article 5, as it was not covered because of the restrictions.
Ironically the restrictions were insisted upon by America, who did not want to be liable to protect British colonial interests, back when we still had them.
Fair comment, but does anyone think the UK would turn down a request for assistance from the US if they came under attack in the middle east
I would say I think it is unlikely Iran would be so stupid
The strike appears to have ended the Iranian nuclear program. Confirmation to come in the next 24 hours. The last step is to remove the nuclear material from the nuclear sites.”
It sounds extremely painful, quite humiliating, but the physical discomfort only lasts a few days. THAT is a deterrent
He didn’t do any more vandalism. So let’s have some modernised and imaginative versions of this. And we can make Britain civilised again within a month. No more litter, no more graffiti, no more shoplifting, no more petty crime. Imagine
In fairness, I had a trip to London last week and experienced the thing where the train back cancelled some stops - very annoying. The rest of it was all fine and dandy though.
It sounds extremely painful, quite humiliating, but the physical discomfort only lasts a few days. THAT is a deterrent
He didn’t do any more vandalism. So let’s have some modernised and imaginative versions of this. And we can make Britain civilised again within a month. No more litter, no more graffiti, no more shoplifting, no more petty crime. Imagine
One thing for Singapore, it amazing how much nicer a city looks without tagging everywhere.
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Completely different environment. Cause and effect failure. Failure of applying logic. Why don't you try reading the research rather than going for a gut reaction. Look at the UK and see the impact of the birch on criminals or fear of the birch. Also worth pointing out we had capital punishment at that same time also, yet we had plenty of murders. Comparing to Singapore now is just bonkers. Too many other variables.
You just have a gut reaction that thinking applying pain will deter people. History tells us this is nonsense. Research tells us it is nonsense.
Low IQ individuals think their gut reaction are superior to proper research.
As I said centrist grandads who thinks the 1940/50s were better than now.
The strike appears to have ended the Iranian nuclear program. Confirmation to come in the next 24 hours. The last step is to remove the nuclear material from the nuclear sites.”
I imagine they have successfully destroyed the centrifuges. The question is whether they got the enriched uranium.
Can't imagine it was there, certainly not all of it. If the gold is in a biscuit tin under the bed it's getting nicked
Yes, I do wonder if the whole palava about getting the US on board gave Iran time to move their enriched uranium.
Given Israel has got total air superiority, won't they have been watching for this?
Moving a couple of hundred kilograms of uranium isn't that hard - you could fit it three or four suitcases.
Pakistan plays a sort of shell game when they move their warheads around, and not in large convoys but small vans, and they also have dummy/excess bases. They do that to stop the Americans tracking them and seizing them in a crisis. Iran would likely take similar measures.
America has done the easy bit (bombing encrichment facilities), the hard bit (securing the uranium) as far as we know hasn't even been attempted yet.
Trump's bragging is another "Mission Accomplished."
If Starmer were to join military action presumably he would want to follow precedent and get Commons approval. That might be very problematic, hence might inform some of his thinking. We all remember Cameron and Syria.
He doesn't, hence there was no UK involvement in the strikes last night even in terms of bases. He knows at least half the Parliamentary Labour Party would vote against any UK involvement in such action with Israel and the US against Iran as would the LDs and SNP, Greens, SDLP, Independents and Plaid and he likely wouldn't get it through even with Tory and Reform and DUP support
The point you miss and has been discussed in the media if the US is attacked article 5 of NATo means that UK has a responsibility to assist the US
If the mainland US is attacked yes and if a Baltic state is attacked by Putin the US also obliged to assist though at present that more theory than certainty
Nonsense - if a US base is attacked anywhere and just look at how many they have in the middle east, or US military personnel come under fire Article 5 apply
Look up the Article - it doesn't specify geography or restrictions
No, Article 5 doesn't give geographic restrictions, Article 6 however does.
Hence the attack on the Falklands did not trigger Article 5, as it was not covered because of the restrictions.
Ironically the restrictions were insisted upon by America, who did not want to be liable to protect British colonial interests, back when we still had them.
Fair comment, but does anyone think the UK would turn down a request for assistance from the US if they came under attack in the middle east
I would say I think it is unlikely Iran would be so stupid
I'm not setting any store in the intelligence or stupidity of the regime.
I suspect you're right though, that they'll be too afraid of escalation and will be hoping this is 'one and done' from the Americans so they'll sabre rattle but not do anything beyond lob more ineffective missiles at Tel Aviv.
They're thinking though will be centred around what the Americans might do next if they escalate, not whether or not Sir Keir Starmer will get involved if they do.
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Completely different environment. Cause and effect failure. Failure of applying logic. Why don't you try reading the research rather than going for a gut reaction. Look at the UK and see the impact of the birch on criminals or fear of the birch. Also worth pointing out we had capital punishment at that same time also, yet we had plenty of murders. Comparing to Singapore now is just bonkers. Too many other variables.
You just have a gut reaction that thinking applying pain will deter people. History tells us this is nonsense. Research tells us it is nonsense.
Low IQ individuals think their gut reaction are superior to proper research.
As I said centrist grandads who thinks the 1940/50s were better than now.
Yes Mrs @kjh. Whatever you say, dear. Maybe have a nap
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Completely different environment. Cause and effect failure. Failure of applying logic. Why don't you try reading the research rather than going for a gut reaction. Look at the UK and see the impact of the birch on criminals or fear of the birch. Also worth pointing out we had capital punishment at that same time also, yet we had plenty of murders. Comparing to Singapore now is just bonkers. Too many other variables.
You just have a gut reaction that thinking applying pain will deter people. History tells us this is nonsense. Research tells us it is nonsense.
Low IQ individuals think their gut reaction are superior to proper research.
As I said centrist grandads who thinks the 1940/50s were better than now.
Yes Mrs @kjh. Whatever you say, dear. Maybe have a nap
Dah da. Another win. You always know when you win a discussion with @leon dont' you.
So the 6 x B2 to Guam was a total diversion. The ones that performed the strike 7 x B2 that went East instead in one of the longest missions ever.
There some suggestion the Guam deployment is a warning shot to China to stay out of Taiwan whilst attention is elsewhere
X is claiming that the Americans didn’t use Diego Garcia because of the new security risk. Because Britain is now legally obliged to tell Mauritius and therefore China of any such movement, beforehand
What use is a military base if it can only be used if you inform your enemies first?
It is of no use. Starmer has rendered Diego Garcia useless. And made us pay for it. He’s made us strategically less safe and it’s cost us £30bn
He really needs to go on trial after the next GE. Then get a conviction, give him life in jail, AND taser him
Suitcase of uranium would be 280 kgs by my and Google's maths
I don't know if people remember that Iranian bodybuilder who was an internet meme...maybe they used him to carry them away.
It's around the sort of weight my colleague's son lifts these days. He's around 12 stone 8 and not yet 18 !
280kg deadlift or 280kg fireman's carry. The first is still very impressive. I hope he hasn't been on the PEDs, which unfortunately have become very popular among teenagers.
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Completely different environment. Cause and effect failure. Failure of applying logic. Why don't you try reading the research rather than going for a gut reaction. Look at the UK and see the impact of the birch on criminals or fear of the birch. Also worth pointing out we had capital punishment at that same time also, yet we had plenty of murders. Comparing to Singapore now is just bonkers. Too many other variables.
You just have a gut reaction that thinking applying pain will deter people. History tells us this is nonsense. Research tells us it is nonsense.
Low IQ individuals think their gut reaction are superior to proper research.
As I said centrist grandads who thinks the 1940/50s were better than now.
Yes Mrs @kjh. Whatever you say, dear. Maybe have a nap
Dah da. Another win. You always know when you win a discussion with @leon dont' you.
You’re the effete dork that was whining that I use my “superior vocabulary to bully people like you”
You should be grateful I’m in a benign mood and I’ve let you off with a gentle flick of the metaphorical ear
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Love makes people do crazy things....
One of the things that is disconcerting about Singapore is how you on camera everywhere you go. I went for a walk in the Botanical Gardens early on a lovely Sunday morning, where ever I went there was a CCTV rotating to watch me.
Also they aren't messing about with rules. I crossed a quiet road and a Chinese lady starting shouting at me in Mandarin. Realizing I clearly didn't understand, she came running after me, to tell me that I had broken the law because there was a crossing within 50m of where I crossed and I must use that, otherwise there was a large fine. I didn't ask what she meant by large, but opening a water bottle on the train is $500 fine.
The strike appears to have ended the Iranian nuclear program. Confirmation to come in the next 24 hours. The last step is to remove the nuclear material from the nuclear sites.”
125 US aircraft used and largest B2 mission ever undertaken
Sounds like this is something they have been planning for a substantial amount of time.
They have.
If Bush II had been able to get away with it, he would have done. As it was he became mired in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I think it is fairly clear that plans for striking Iran have been in play since at least the time of the War on Terror.
The strike appears to have ended the Iranian nuclear program. Confirmation to come in the next 24 hours. The last step is to remove the nuclear material from the nuclear sites.”
I imagine they have successfully destroyed the centrifuges. The question is whether they got the enriched uranium.
Can't imagine it was there, certainly not all of it. If the gold is in a biscuit tin under the bed it's getting nicked
Even if one of the bombs hit a box full of enriched uranium, it would just distribute it through the nearby rock. So dig out a 20m sphere, crush the rock fragments, comebacks to dissolve etc… and then precipitate your uranium back out.
One concern with earth penetrating nukes was that a fail or a fizzle would gift your opponent nuclear material in this fashion.
Did you know the Nagasaki bomb had a 2% probability of yield below 1kt? Early bombs often were prone to fizzles.
Authoritarian crime solutions only work in authoritarian societies.
Hence, the US, the only Western democracy that tries an extremely authoritarian approach to crime, is a total crime disaster area.
So maybe it’s time for us to become a more authoritarian society. I imagine such a society would be quite popular with many - possibly a majority - if the alternative is the rampant societal decay we can now all see, everywhere, daily, in British life
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Fewer immigrants in Manchester. Singapore is absolutely full of them.
So the 6 x B2 to Guam was a total diversion. The ones that performed the strike 7 x B2 that went East instead in one of the longest missions ever.
There some suggestion the Guam deployment is a warning shot to China to stay out of Taiwan whilst attention is elsewhere
X is claiming that the Americans didn’t use Diego Garcia because of the new security risk. Because Britain is now legally obliged to tell Mauritius and therefore China of any such movement, beforehand
What use is a military base if it can only be used if you inform your enemies first?
It is of no use. Starmer has rendered Diego Garcia useless. And made us pay for it. He’s made us strategically less safe and it’s cost us £30bn
He really needs to go on trial after the next GE. Then get a conviction, give him life in jail, AND taser him
Taser his todger live on Breakfast telly every morning We all have a synchronised sip watching him receive his daily dose.
But yes, he is catastrophically inept. Mr Beans retarded brother
It sounds extremely painful, quite humiliating, but the physical discomfort only lasts a few days. THAT is a deterrent
He didn’t do any more vandalism. So let’s have some modernised and imaginative versions of this. And we can make Britain civilised again within a month. No more litter, no more graffiti, no more shoplifting, no more petty crime. Imagine
Might be quite attractive to those fans of the vice Anglais, to wit the English. You’d get twats in Henry Poole cords and Tricker’s brogues blatantly on the nick in Aldi in the hope of a thrashing.
How many runs does Jamie Smith have to score before he makes up for his missed stumping?
I'm going with 250, which is about 225 more than he will get.
I have nothing against him, and he is unquestionably a very good batsman, but I regret the long term trend towards picking a batsman who can keep wicket a bit, rather than a good keeper who can bat a bit. Bairstow and Buttler were fairly extreme examples of the trend. Smith extends it to the point of becoming ridiculous.
How many runs does Jamie Smith have to score before he makes up for his missed stumping?
I'm going with 250, which is about 225 more than he will get.
I have nothing against him, and he is unquestionably a very good batsman, but I regret the long term trend towards picking a batsman who can keep wicket a bit, rather than a good keeper who can bat a bit. Bairstow and Buttler were fairly extreme examples of the trend. Smith extends it to the point of becoming ridiculous.
I am more concerned about this trend of picking bowlers that can't bowl very well with the red ball just because they can lump it down at 90mph.
They worked this out with Rashid. Amazing white ball bowler, but a number of high quality test match batsman have said due to his grip and action, he is dead easy to pick with the red ball. I feel its a bit like that with some of the other bowlers England are picking. Huge difference in white ball vs red ball where the white ball doesn't do much after 4-5 overs, where as the skills with the red ball is keeping it moving even when it is old and knackered.
125 US aircraft used and largest B2 mission ever undertaken
Sounds like this is something they have been planning for a substantial amount of time.
They have.
If Bush II had been able to get away with it, he would have done. As it was he became mired in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I think it is fairly clear that plans for striking Iran have been in play since at least the time of the War on Terror.
Its a shame it never happened then. Or any time since.
If Starmer were to join military action presumably he would want to follow precedent and get Commons approval. That might be very problematic, hence might inform some of his thinking. We all remember Cameron and Syria.
He doesn't, hence there was no UK involvement in the strikes last night even in terms of bases. He knows at least half the Parliamentary Labour Party would vote against any UK involvement in such action with Israel and the US against Iran as would the LDs and SNP, Greens, SDLP, Independents and Plaid and he likely wouldn't get it through even with Tory and Reform and DUP support
The point you miss and has been discussed in the media if the US is attacked article 5 of NATo means that UK has a responsibility to assist the US
If the mainland US is attacked yes and if a Baltic state is attacked by Putin the US also obliged to assist though at present that more theory than certainty
Nonsense - if a US base is attacked anywhere and just look at how many they have in the middle east, or US military personnel come under fire Article 5 apply
Look up the Article - it doesn't specify geography or restrictions
In which case the European NATO treaties would also want it reaffirmed in writing by Trump that the US would intervene to protect any European NATO nation if invaded by Putin before taking action to help if a US military base was attacked by Iran
You do talk utter nonsense at times
No, just reality. Labour backbenchers and the LDs for starters would certainly vote down any UK intervention in the Middle East even if a US military base attacked without a cast iron commitment from Trump to protect all European NATO nations
It won't even come to a vote
Starmer could lose the Labour leadership and premiership if he committed British troops to the Middle East in support of Israel and the US against Iran, which is why he won't unless no alternative eg an Iranian attack on a US military base with lots of fatalities
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Singapore is quite a stultifying place. Ok for a short holiday but not to live.
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
I think there would be some aspects that wouldn't work (potential of seeking to incur such punishments for bravado, cred, or even dares), no incarceration meaning freedom to repeat offend (though there would be a powerful disincentive to do so), levels of pain inflicted being potentially problematical in the long term, but the idea is not without its plusses.
Good post.
The evidence of the birch is quite clear. You give some of the reasons above. It also caused resentment. It did not deter criminal activity and seemed to positively create anti social behaviour after its use. So whereas it may deter some, it generally has a negative impact.
@leon assumes (incorrectly) that I approve of prison and/or want to do nothing. He assumes this because he has limited vision and puts everything and everyone into little boxes. Everything has a simple solution often provided by angry people on X or the 1950s.
I am only in favour of prison if it has a deterrent effect or to protect society from criminals. I prefer non-custodial solutions. There is no reason why they can't be really tough. Unfortunately we seem unwilling to apply the resources to do this really well yet are happy to spend a fortune on prisons. It needs a lot of people to ensure this isn't some easy option for offenders. It has to be tough, they have to appreciate the consequences of their actions and ideally it should be related in someway to their offence.
@leon also fails to appreciate that crime over time evolves when he compares 'then' to 'now'. Computer fraud didn't happen in the 1970s (obviously), whereas wage snatches and bank robberies don't happen now (again for obvious reasons). Stuff changes with time.
If Starmer were to join military action presumably he would want to follow precedent and get Commons approval. That might be very problematic, hence might inform some of his thinking. We all remember Cameron and Syria.
He doesn't, hence there was no UK involvement in the strikes last night even in terms of bases. He knows at least half the Parliamentary Labour Party would vote against any UK involvement in such action with Israel and the US against Iran as would the LDs and SNP, Greens, SDLP, Independents and Plaid and he likely wouldn't get it through even with Tory and Reform and DUP support
The point you miss and has been discussed in the media if the US is attacked article 5 of NATo means that UK has a responsibility to assist the US
If the mainland US is attacked yes and if a Baltic state is attacked by Putin the US also obliged to assist though at present that more theory than certainty
Nonsense - if a US base is attacked anywhere and just look at how many they have in the middle east, or US military personnel come under fire Article 5 apply
Look up the Article - it doesn't specify geography or restrictions
In which case the European NATO treaties would also want it reaffirmed in writing by Trump that the US would intervene to protect any European NATO nation if invaded by Putin before taking action to help if a US military base was attacked by Iran
You do talk utter nonsense at times
No, just reality. Labour backbenchers and the LDs for starters would certainly vote down any UK intervention in the Middle East even if a US military base attacked without a cast iron commitment from Trump to protect all European NATO nations
It won't even come to a vote
Starmer could lose the Labour leadership if he committed British troops to the Middle East in support of Israel and the US against Iran, which is why he won't unless no alternative
So the 6 x B2 to Guam was a total diversion. The ones that performed the strike 7 x B2 that went East instead in one of the longest missions ever.
There some suggestion the Guam deployment is a warning shot to China to stay out of Taiwan whilst attention is elsewhere
X is claiming that the Americans didn’t use Diego Garcia because of the new security risk. Because Britain is now legally obliged to tell Mauritius and therefore China of any such movement, beforehand
What use is a military base if it can only be used if you inform your enemies first?
It is of no use. Starmer has rendered Diego Garcia useless. And made us pay for it. He’s made us strategically less safe and it’s cost us £30bn
He really needs to go on trial after the next GE. Then get a conviction, give him life in jail, AND taser him
Taser his todger live on Breakfast telly every morning We all have a synchronised sip watching him receive his daily dose.
But yes, he is catastrophically inept. Mr Beans retarded brother
Mr Bean's r******* brother please. If you can't get your apostrophes in order you can't expect to be allowed to taser the Prime Minister live on TV.
Part of Britaun's failure on crime is an incoherent half-way house between authoritarian and European approaches.
I would opt for more fully embracing the European approach - keeping jail for violent offenders, but a much heavier emphasis on education and rehabilitation. Half the problem on this is the lack of money at the moment, and the other half is the New Labour instinct to defer to the tabloid press.
125 US aircraft used and largest B2 mission ever undertaken
Sounds like this is something they have been planning for a substantial amount of time.
They have.
If Bush II had been able to get away with it, he would have done. As it was he became mired in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I think it is fairly clear that plans for striking Iran have been in play since at least the time of the War on Terror.
Its a shame it never happened then. Or any time since.
Better late than never though.
Could I ask you just to reflect slightly on such a blase attitude to military action?
I am no pacifist, and could even be persuaded that now was the right time to attack these facilities, but people will have died. They aren’t cartoon baddies, they are conscripts, scientists, and technicians doing the best for their families.
Authoritarian crime solutions only work in authoritarian societies.
Hence, the US, the only Western democracy that tries an extremely authoritarian approach to crime, is a total crime disaster area.
So maybe it’s time for us to become a more authoritarian society. I imagine such a society would be quite popular with many - possibly a majority - if the alternative is the rampant societal decay we can now all see, everywhere, daily, in British life
OK Granddad. Tell us again what rationing was like again when we didn't have all those foreigners here.
The “Big Four” accountants are cutting jobs and scaling back graduate recruitment programmes as they turn to artificial intelligence (AI) to do entry-level work.
The professional services giants Deloitte, EY, KPMG and PwC have cut hundreds of roles over the past two years as they seek to keep up £1m payouts to partners in the face of a downturn in the consulting market.
The cutbacks mean they will take on hundreds fewer school leavers and university graduates compared with in 2023, with AI able to do some of the administrative tasks they would have been given.
Perhaps they could cut profits from partners rather than just new starters seeking entry level accountancy jobs? If big firms continue like this is it much surprise populist parties of left and right continue to get traction?
Cutting entry level jobs opens the question of where accountants learn their skills. If they've stopped teaching the basics, where will the next mid-level come from?
If Starmer were to join military action presumably he would want to follow precedent and get Commons approval. That might be very problematic, hence might inform some of his thinking. We all remember Cameron and Syria.
He doesn't, hence there was no UK involvement in the strikes last night even in terms of bases. He knows at least half the Parliamentary Labour Party would vote against any UK involvement in such action with Israel and the US against Iran as would the LDs and SNP, Greens, SDLP, Independents and Plaid and he likely wouldn't get it through even with Tory and Reform and DUP support
The point you miss and has been discussed in the media if the US is attacked article 5 of NATo means that UK has a responsibility to assist the US
If the mainland US is attacked yes and if a Baltic state is attacked by Putin the US also obliged to assist though at present that more theory than certainty
Nonsense - if a US base is attacked anywhere and just look at how many they have in the middle east, or US military personnel come under fire Article 5 apply
Look up the Article - it doesn't specify geography or restrictions
In which case the European NATO treaties would also want it reaffirmed in writing by Trump that the US would intervene to protect any European NATO nation if invaded by Putin before taking action to help if a US military base was attacked by Iran
You do talk utter nonsense at times
No, just reality. Labour backbenchers and the LDs for starters would certainly vote down any UK intervention in the Middle East even if a US military base attacked without a cast iron commitment from Trump to protect all European NATO nations
It won't even come to a vote
Starmer could lose the Labour leadership if he committed British troops to the Middle East in support of Israel and the US against Iran, which is why he won't unless no alternative
There's almost zero chance of him doing this imo.
Yes, both of our deployable infantry soldiers are current committed to emptying the bins in Brum.
The “Big Four” accountants are cutting jobs and scaling back graduate recruitment programmes as they turn to artificial intelligence (AI) to do entry-level work.
The professional services giants Deloitte, EY, KPMG and PwC have cut hundreds of roles over the past two years as they seek to keep up £1m payouts to partners in the face of a downturn in the consulting market.
The cutbacks mean they will take on hundreds fewer school leavers and university graduates compared with in 2023, with AI able to do some of the administrative tasks they would have been given.
Perhaps they could cut profits from partners rather than just new starters seeking entry level accountancy jobs? If big firms continue like this is it much surprise populist parties of left and right continue to get traction?
Cutting entry level jobs opens the question of where accountants learn their skills. If they've stopped teaching the basics, where will the next mid-level come from?
We aren't talking auditors here we are talking business consultants where in the first couple of years they don't do very much as they don't know that much but cost the clients a fortune.
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Says something about your son, maybe. You should be proud.
The “Big Four” accountants are cutting jobs and scaling back graduate recruitment programmes as they turn to artificial intelligence (AI) to do entry-level work.
The professional services giants Deloitte, EY, KPMG and PwC have cut hundreds of roles over the past two years as they seek to keep up £1m payouts to partners in the face of a downturn in the consulting market.
The cutbacks mean they will take on hundreds fewer school leavers and university graduates compared with in 2023, with AI able to do some of the administrative tasks they would have been given.
Perhaps they could cut profits from partners rather than just new starters seeking entry level accountancy jobs? If big firms continue like this is it much surprise populist parties of left and right continue to get traction?
Cutting entry level jobs opens the question of where accountants learn their skills. If they've stopped teaching the basics, where will the next mid-level come from?
If Starmer were to join military action presumably he would want to follow precedent and get Commons approval. That might be very problematic, hence might inform some of his thinking. We all remember Cameron and Syria.
He doesn't, hence there was no UK involvement in the strikes last night even in terms of bases. He knows at least half the Parliamentary Labour Party would vote against any UK involvement in such action with Israel and the US against Iran as would the LDs and SNP, Greens, SDLP, Independents and Plaid and he likely wouldn't get it through even with Tory and Reform and DUP support
The point you miss and has been discussed in the media if the US is attacked article 5 of NATo means that UK has a responsibility to assist the US
If the mainland US is attacked yes and if a Baltic state is attacked by Putin the US also obliged to assist though at present that more theory than certainty
Nonsense - if a US base is attacked anywhere and just look at how many they have in the middle east, or US military personnel come under fire Article 5 apply
Look up the Article - it doesn't specify geography or restrictions
In which case the European NATO treaties would also want it reaffirmed in writing by Trump that the US would intervene to protect any European NATO nation if invaded by Putin before taking action to help if a US military base was attacked by Iran
You do talk utter nonsense at times
No, just reality. Labour backbenchers and the LDs for starters would certainly vote down any UK intervention in the Middle East even if a US military base attacked without a cast iron commitment from Trump to protect all European NATO nations
It won't even come to a vote
Starmer could lose the Labour leadership if he committed British troops to the Middle East in support of Israel and the US against Iran, which is why he won't unless no alternative
There's almost zero chance of him doing this imo.
There are certainly enough Israel and Trump sceptic Labour MPs to get a challenger like Rayner or even Lewis nominated if Starmer sent British forces into action against Iran. Then under Labour leadership rules a leadership contest would go straight to Labour members who would almost certainly vote to replace Starmer as Labour leader and therefore PM in such circumstances
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Singapore is quite a stultifying place. Ok for a short holiday but not to live.
Unless you are a socially conservative multi millionaire who likes the low tax, limited regulation and strict law and order regime of course and can easily afford a pool and air conditioning
How many runs does Jamie Smith have to score before he makes up for his missed stumping?
I'm going with 250, which is about 225 more than he will get.
I have nothing against him, and he is unquestionably a very good batsman, but I regret the long term trend towards picking a batsman who can keep wicket a bit, rather than a good keeper who can bat a bit. Bairstow and Buttler were fairly extreme examples of the trend. Smith extends it to the point of becoming ridiculous.
I am more concerned about this trend of picking bowlers that can't bowl very well with the red ball just because they can lump it down at 90mph.
They worked this out with Rashid. Amazing white ball bowler, but a number of high quality test match batsman have said due to his grip and action, he is dead easy to pick with the red ball. I feel its a bit like that with some of the other bowlers England are picking. Huge difference in white ball vs red ball where the white ball doesn't do much after 4-5 overs, where as the skills with the red ball is keeping it moving even when it is old and knackered.
May I ask? I assumed the only difference was the colour. Why is the performance so different, please?
Even my local tesco express was apparently doing an all items free offer this week, the cashier serving me was unimpressed (and ill put her down as 'Reform')
The ne'er-do-wells know that no one will stop them, the police won't show up, there's very little chance they'll get caught and if they're unlucky enough to actually get caught, they'll get told not to be naughty again and be on their merry way. Forget Iran getting nukes, if Starmer could stop this sort of thing, I'd vote Labour in the next election.
I have never experienced or seen this, fortunate to live in a part of the country where at the moment it is not accepted by anyone as a way of acting. But what would be, beyond hand waving and unicorns, Reform's way of tackling it which seriously distinguishes them from the status quo and is affordable?
TASER THEM
I bought a rib eye steak last night in the local Sainsbury's and paid at the self checkout. It was security tagged. There was a label saying so, which I missed. I have no idea how they do that. Anyway on leaving I set off the alarm. I returned. Deserving of a taser blast do you think? Admittedly it is not like I was clearing the shelves, but I suspect they would be in big trouble if they inadvertently taser innocent shoppers.
How do you think you should have been treated for all your illegal activities over the years? It is doubtful you would have ever been out of prison if you were treated like you want to treat others.
Having said all of that I do have sympathy for your reaction. I feel the same sometimes, then sense prevails.
No, you catch them, prosecute them, convict them - THEN taser them. Every day for a week. Don’t bother with prisons - they’re horribly expensive, cruel, and actively harmful
New methods of brisk painful corporal punishment
You call people Centrist Dad often, but really you are a Centrist Grandad. You want to go back to the 1950s all the time. Latest being corporal punishment? Really? What with your other views you really are like the 90+ year old one meets who talk about the good old days.
The thing about my suggestion is: it will work. It’s cheap, powerful, effective. And anyway, why is inflicting mental and social pain - prison - deemed acceptable, but inflicting physical pain is not?
It’s ludicrous. Prison is also expensive and breeds even harder criminals. So taser them. We’d sort this out in a weak
While bleating midwits like you just sigh and wring your hands about this, offer no solution, and nothing happens
It will work? Ever heard of the birch? Did that work?
Probably
Then I suggest you read the research.
Singapore has capital and corporal punishment and zero crime
Never been there but it sounds a super place. Yet it doesn't please everyone.
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
Love makes people do crazy things....
One of the things that is disconcerting about Singapore is how you on camera everywhere you go. I went for a walk in the Botanical Gardens early on a lovely Sunday morning, where ever I went there was a CCTV rotating to watch me.
Also they aren't messing about with rules. I crossed a quiet road and a Chinese lady starting shouting at me in Mandarin. Realizing I clearly didn't understand, she came running after me, to tell me that I had broken the law because there was a crossing within 50m of where I crossed and I must use that, otherwise there was a large fine. I didn't ask what she meant by large, but opening a water bottle on the train is $500 fine.
Yes, I came across something similar in Monaco and found it a bit creepy. Ok to visit, but live there...? I suppose if you are filthy rich itis fine, but in that case there are many better options.
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Galloway intimating a flight has taken off from Pyongyang to Tehran/Iran with special cargo
However, it is worth noting that whenever the Iranian people have had the choice between a "reformer" and a "zealot", they've chosen the reformer.
But I draw the line at “a good sort”
Retract, Sir
North Korea will not “lend nukes” to Iran
North Korea depends greatly on the goodwill of China to keep its economy afloat. The Chinese don’t want nuke proliferation in the Middle East
I expect the Chinese, like many, will be quietly relieved the mad mullahs are now decades from a bomb, again. Even tho they will complain on Iran's behalf in public
Unless the US reaffirms to NATO to contain Putin why should European NATO nations bother supporting the US in the Middle East?
I mean, really?
Both inside the HOL and outside, opposition is mounting and I understand it has to pass all obstacles by May 26 or it will fall
This morning Farage has said he will repeal it immediately
Interesting Streeting will probably have to be moved if he continues his objections
“For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:
on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer”.
Edit - this is why the Falklands didn’t count.
London is over —it’s so over
https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1936548371423961173
The Houthis have a go, but they are all nutcases anyway. They'd support anyone if it meant they could fire individual shit missiles at things (that fall short by several tens of miles)
The US wanted that provision because they didn't want to get dragged into defending the tattered remnants of the British and French Imperial possessions.
Hence the attack on the Falklands did not trigger Article 5, as it was not covered because of the restrictions.
Ironically the restrictions were insisted upon by America, who did not want to be liable to protect British colonial interests, back when we still had them.
I would say I think it is unlikely Iran would be so stupid
Here is his account
https://www.nytimes.com/1994/06/26/us/us-student-tells-of-pain-of-his-caning-in-singapore.html
It sounds extremely painful, quite humiliating, but the physical discomfort only lasts a few days. THAT is a deterrent
He didn’t do any more vandalism. So let’s have some modernised and imaginative versions of this. And we can make Britain civilised again within a month. No more litter, no more graffiti, no more shoplifting, no more petty crime. Imagine
You just have a gut reaction that thinking applying pain will deter people. History tells us this is nonsense. Research tells us it is nonsense.
Low IQ individuals think their gut reaction are superior to proper research.
As I said centrist grandads who thinks the 1940/50s were better than now.
America has done the easy bit (bombing encrichment facilities), the hard bit (securing the uranium) as far as we know hasn't even been attempted yet.
Trump's bragging is another "Mission Accomplished."
I suspect you're right though, that they'll be too afraid of escalation and will be hoping this is 'one and done' from the Americans so they'll sabre rattle but not do anything beyond lob more ineffective missiles at Tel Aviv.
They're thinking though will be centred around what the Americans might do next if they escalate, not whether or not Sir Keir Starmer will get involved if they do.
125 US aircraft used and largest B2 mission ever undertaken
What use is a military base if it can only be used if you inform your enemies first?
It is of no use. Starmer has rendered Diego Garcia useless. And made us pay for it. He’s made us strategically less safe and it’s cost us £30bn
He really needs to go on trial after the next GE. Then get a conviction, give him life in jail, AND taser him
Would have been better if they'd been put into action years ago, but better late than never.
And the sky hasn't fallen in, despite the whining from some here in recent weeks.
Hence, the US, the only Western democracy that tries an extremely authoritarian approach to crime, is a total crime disaster area.
You should be grateful I’m in a benign mood and I’ve let you off with a gentle flick of the metaphorical ear
Number One Son has a beautiful Singaporean partner. She prefers to live in Manchester.
How do you figure that?
One of the things that is disconcerting about Singapore is how you on camera everywhere you go. I went for a walk in the Botanical Gardens early on a lovely Sunday morning, where ever I went there was a CCTV rotating to watch me.
Also they aren't messing about with rules. I crossed a quiet road and a Chinese lady starting shouting at me in Mandarin. Realizing I clearly didn't understand, she came running after me, to tell me that I had broken the law because there was a crossing within 50m of where I crossed and I must use that, otherwise there was a large fine. I didn't ask what she meant by large, but opening a water bottle on the train is $500 fine.
If Bush II had been able to get away with it, he would have done. As it was he became mired in Iraq and Afghanistan, but I think it is fairly clear that plans for striking Iran have been in play since at least the time of the War on Terror.
One concern with earth penetrating nukes was that a fail or a fizzle would gift your opponent nuclear material in this fashion.
Did you know the Nagasaki bomb had a 2% probability of yield below 1kt? Early bombs often were prone to fizzles.
We all have a synchronised sip watching him receive his daily dose.
But yes, he is catastrophically inept. Mr Beans retarded brother
They worked this out with Rashid. Amazing white ball bowler, but a number of high quality test match batsman have said due to his grip and action, he is dead easy to pick with the red ball. I feel its a bit like that with some of the other bowlers England are picking. Huge difference in white ball vs red ball where the white ball doesn't do much after 4-5 overs, where as the skills with the red ball is keeping it moving even when it is old and knackered.
Better late than never though.
The evidence of the birch is quite clear. You give some of the reasons above. It also caused resentment. It did not deter criminal activity and seemed to positively create anti social behaviour after its use. So whereas it may deter some, it generally has a negative impact.
@leon assumes (incorrectly) that I approve of prison and/or want to do nothing. He assumes this because he has limited vision and puts everything and everyone into little boxes. Everything has a simple solution often provided by angry people on X or the 1950s.
I am only in favour of prison if it has a deterrent effect or to protect society from criminals. I prefer non-custodial solutions. There is no reason why they can't be really tough. Unfortunately we seem unwilling to apply the resources to do this really well yet are happy to spend a fortune on prisons. It needs a lot of people to ensure this isn't some easy option for offenders. It has to be tough, they have to appreciate the consequences of their actions and ideally it should be related in someway to their offence.
@leon also fails to appreciate that crime over time evolves when he compares 'then' to 'now'. Computer fraud didn't happen in the 1970s (obviously), whereas wage snatches and bank robberies don't happen now (again for obvious reasons). Stuff changes with time.
I would opt for more fully embracing the European approach - keeping jail for violent offenders, but a much heavier emphasis on education and rehabilitation. Half the problem on this is the lack of money at the moment, and the other half is the New Labour instinct to defer to the tabloid press.
I am no pacifist, and could even be persuaded that now was the right time to attack these facilities, but people will have died. They aren’t cartoon baddies, they are conscripts, scientists, and technicians doing the best for their families.
Killing must always be a last resort.