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Richard Madeley’s response to this incredible story is why he is a giant of broadcasting. pic.twitter.com/9YgRIsR9GU
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Hello?1
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He's everything id expect from a haunted house presenting Reform Chairman0
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Wooooooooh0
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It was like a ghost town on this thread when I first got here.3
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LOL!0
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I couldn't hear his response but what is a giant of broadcasting doing, asking the chairman of an up and coming political party whether he believes in ghosts? Is that the most pressing issue of the day?0
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You've got to admire his spirit14
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He used to present Most Haunted LiveAnneJGP said:I couldn't hear his response but what is a giant of broadcasting doing, asking the chairman of an up and coming political party whether he believes in ghosts? Is that the most pressing issue of the day?
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They do come across as "other Worldly".Roger said:You've got to admire his spirit
I suppose David Icke's notion of shape shifting lizards running the nation could be a step closer.2 -
State dept have cancelled a press conference amidst the tension in the ME. Eyes on Iran!0
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We were all in a parallel universe with Dr David Bull.AnneJGP said:It was like a ghost town on this thread when I first got here.
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Yawn. 🌮wooliedyed said:State dept have cancelled a press conference amidst the tension in the ME. Eyes on Iran!
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Should that be Most Haunted Dead?wooliedyed said:
He used to present Most Haunted LiveAnneJGP said:I couldn't hear his response but what is a giant of broadcasting doing, asking the chairman of an up and coming political party whether he believes in ghosts? Is that the most pressing issue of the day?
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You've scored a ghoul, well doneMexicanpete said:
Should that be Most Haunted Dead?wooliedyed said:
He used to present Most Haunted LiveAnneJGP said:I couldn't hear his response but what is a giant of broadcasting doing, asking the chairman of an up and coming political party whether he believes in ghosts? Is that the most pressing issue of the day?
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I thought there might be something important being broadcast live, which I don't watch.Mexicanpete said:
We were all in a parallel universe with Dr David Bull.AnneJGP said:It was like a ghost town on this thread when I first got here.
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I get my news from PB!AnneJGP said:
I thought there might be something important being broadcast live, which I don't watch.Mexicanpete said:
We were all in a parallel universe with Dr David Bull.AnneJGP said:It was like a ghost town on this thread when I first got here.
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Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 30% (-1)
LAB: 24% (+2)
CON: 16% (=)
LDM: 13% (-2)
GRN: 11% (=)
Via @FindoutnowUK, 11 Jun.
Changes w/ 4 Jun.
Reform now definitely off their post LE highs and some sign of a minor Lab recovery in the works.
Tories at 16 with FoN for 5 weeks0 -
6 pts down from the top dog party at this point in a parliament is OK for the gov't tbh. It's looking terminal for the Tories though. Annihilation awaits at the next GE if this carries on with Farage either PM or LOTO.wooliedyed said:Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 30% (-1)
LAB: 24% (+2)
CON: 16% (=)
LDM: 13% (-2)
GRN: 11% (=)
Via @FindoutnowUK, 11 Jun.
Changes w/ 4 Jun.
Reform now definitely off their post LE highs and some sign of a minor Lab recovery in the works.
Tories at 16 with FoN for 5 weeks0 -
When did the pitch at Lords turn into a minefield?1
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BBC reporting the story about the survivor of the plane crash. Not sure I'd be doing that unless they are absolutely certain it's true.0
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Isn't this Goodwin's shower? Haven't they previously been censured by BPC, or am I thinking of someone else?wooliedyed said:Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 30% (-1)
LAB: 24% (+2)
CON: 16% (=)
LDM: 13% (-2)
GRN: 11% (=)
Via @FindoutnowUK, 11 Jun.
Changes w/ 4 Jun.
Reform now definitely off their post LE highs and some sign of a minor Lab recovery in the works.
Tories at 16 with FoN for 5 weeks0 -
No that was People Polling. FoN are generally a bit more favourable in vote share to Reform and the worst for Tories but they were the most accurate Mayoralty pollsters - slightly overstating Reform by 2 or 3 points thoughMexicanpete said:
Isn't this Goodwin's shower? He's rolling the pitch for a big uptick for Reform on the next outing. Haven't they previously been censured by BPC, or am I thinking of someone else?wooliedyed said:Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 30% (-1)
LAB: 24% (+2)
CON: 16% (=)
LDM: 13% (-2)
GRN: 11% (=)
Via @FindoutnowUK, 11 Jun.
Changes w/ 4 Jun.
Reform now definitely off their post LE highs and some sign of a minor Lab recovery in the works.
Tories at 16 with FoN for 5 weeks1 -
Apologies to Mr Goodwin in that case.wooliedyed said:
No that was People Polling. FoN are generally a bit more favourable in vote share to Reform and the worst for Tories but they were the most accurate Mayoralty pollsters - slightly overstating Reform by 2 or 3 points thoughMexicanpete said:
Isn't this Goodwin's shower? He's rolling the pitch for a big uptick for Reform on the next outing. Haven't they previously been censured by BPC, or am I thinking of someone else?wooliedyed said:Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 30% (-1)
LAB: 24% (+2)
CON: 16% (=)
LDM: 13% (-2)
GRN: 11% (=)
Via @FindoutnowUK, 11 Jun.
Changes w/ 4 Jun.
Reform now definitely off their post LE highs and some sign of a minor Lab recovery in the works.
Tories at 16 with FoN for 5 weeks0 -
He'll be the whole cabinet or shadow cabinet. I don't see how Reform graduates from a one-man-band into a proper political party.Pulpstar said:
6 pts down from the top dog party at this point in a parliament is OK for the gov't tbh. It's looking terminal for the Tories though. Annihilation awaits at the next GE if this carries on with Farage either PM or LOTO.wooliedyed said:Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 30% (-1)
LAB: 24% (+2)
CON: 16% (=)
LDM: 13% (-2)
GRN: 11% (=)
Via @FindoutnowUK, 11 Jun.
Changes w/ 4 Jun.
Reform now definitely off their post LE highs and some sign of a minor Lab recovery in the works.
Tories at 16 with FoN for 5 weeks1 -
The Tories are from equal with to 8 points behind Labour and around an average of 10 behind Reform. They were in much worse shape from Sept 2022 till the GE averaging over 20 points behind and not once getting within 10.Pulpstar said:
6 pts down from the top dog party at this point in a parliament is OK for the gov't tbh. It's looking terminal for the Tories though. Annihilation awaits at the next GE if this carries on with Farage either PM or LOTO.wooliedyed said:Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 30% (-1)
LAB: 24% (+2)
CON: 16% (=)
LDM: 13% (-2)
GRN: 11% (=)
Via @FindoutnowUK, 11 Jun.
Changes w/ 4 Jun.
Reform now definitely off their post LE highs and some sign of a minor Lab recovery in the works.
Tories at 16 with FoN for 5 weeks
'Terminal' is ott at this stage whilst most people are switched off1 -
Just following up this question fpt:
Thou shalt not kill; but need'st not strive officiously to keep alive. [The Latest Decalogue; Arthur Hugh Clough (1819 - 1861).] It's a parody of the Ten Commandments and I don't know whether he meant one ought indeed strive officiously to keep alive; but to me it seems ethical not so to strive.
Clough is frequently misunderstood. His 'Latest decalogue' was intended as an observation on modernity and its casuistry towards moral norms. Hence for example:
Thou shalt not steal; an empty feat,
When it's so lucrative to cheat:
So Clough intended the opposite of how he is now understood. (Though in the killing one I think he is mostly wrong! He's OK with the rest SFAICS).
Full text here:
https://allpoetry.com/The-Latest-Decalogue1 -
Since a group of robots from the planet Krikkit landed in s spacecraft in the middle of a match?CatMan said:When did the pitch at Lords turn into a minefield?
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He elicits the same vibes as the many former Fox News presenters now filling Trump's cabinet.wooliedyed said:He's everything id expect from a haunted house presenting Reform Chairman
Right wing politics desperately needs some serious and competent people.1 -
Looks like the BBC has spoken to a cousin of the survivor, who has verified his identity.0
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The chairman of tata (air india's parent) has already announced £86000 per family compensation. So if you happen to find a ticket floating down the street and are an accomplished liar...tlg86 said:BBC reporting the story about the survivor of the plane crash. Not sure I'd be doing that unless they are absolutely certain it's true.
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The politics Reform play doesn’t attract serious and competent.bondegezou said:
He elicits the same vibes as the many former Fox News presenters now filling Trump's cabinet.wooliedyed said:He's everything id expect from a haunted house presenting Reform Chairman
Right wing politics desperately needs some serious and competent people.
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Did they verify the identity of the cousin? Feels very quick to be confirming this sort of thing.SandyRentool said:Looks like the BBC has spoken to a cousin of the survivor, who has verified his identity.
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Sky News erroneously reported the figure as £8,600 as they didn't know what a Crore is.carnforth said:
The chairman of tata (air india's parent) has already announced £86000 per family compensation. So if you happen to find a ticket floating down the street and are an accomplished liar...tlg86 said:BBC reporting the story about the survivor of the plane crash. Not sure I'd be doing that unless they are absolutely certain it's true.
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Didn't we used to have a party on the right that did attract serious and competent? What were they called... the Gazebo Party? The Orangery Party? The Belvedere Party? Something like that...numbertwelve said:
The politics Reform play doesn’t attract serious and competent.bondegezou said:
He elicits the same vibes as the many former Fox News presenters now filling Trump's cabinet.wooliedyed said:He's everything id expect from a haunted house presenting Reform Chairman
Right wing politics desperately needs some serious and competent people.0 -
Thanks for this. Possibly, given his dates, what he was critiquing by that need not strive officiously to keep alive was people justifying refusal to simply make an effort. With today's resources, we can keep alive in an entirely different way.algarkirk said:Just following up this question fpt:
Thou shalt not kill; but need'st not strive officiously to keep alive. [The Latest Decalogue; Arthur Hugh Clough (1819 - 1861).] It's a parody of the Ten Commandments and I don't know whether he meant one ought indeed strive officiously to keep alive; but to me it seems ethical not so to strive.
Clough is frequently misunderstood. His 'Latest decalogue' was intended as an observation on modernity and its casuistry towards moral norms. Hence for example:
Thou shalt not steal; an empty feat,
When it's so lucrative to cheat:
So Clough intended the opposite of how he is now understood. (Though in the killing one I think he is mostly wrong! He's OK with the rest SFAICS).
Full text here:
https://allpoetry.com/The-Latest-Decalogue0 -
There is nothing specially right wing about Reform's current trajectory; populist centrist high spending nationalist is the clear message now. Ask yourself what the voters of Clacton want in the way of free stuff and the rest follows inescapably.bondegezou said:
He elicits the same vibes as the many former Fox News presenters now filling Trump's cabinet.wooliedyed said:He's everything id expect from a haunted house presenting Reform Chairman
Right wing politics desperately needs some serious and competent people.
Having said that they will get serious and competent people - by the standards now prevailing - as and if they get closer to the possibility of real power. Tim Montgomerie is not an outlier but an advance guard.
The longer Kemi stays on as LOTO, the closer it will get. If Hunt became leader the Tories have a chance of being serious. If a Jenrick type gets it, all bets are off.
The chances as of now is that top of the bill in the next election is Lab v Reform.2 -
Not for thirty years or so.bondegezou said:
Didn't we used to have a party on the right that did attract serious and competent? What were they called... the Gazebo Party? The Orangery Party? The Belvedere Party? Something like that...numbertwelve said:
The politics Reform play doesn’t attract serious and competent.bondegezou said:
He elicits the same vibes as the many former Fox News presenters now filling Trump's cabinet.wooliedyed said:He's everything id expect from a haunted house presenting Reform Chairman
Right wing politics desperately needs some serious and competent people.
But then, serious people are rare, in politics, these days.0 -
Agree. Modern abilities requires, IMHO, assisted dying, and in my view AD that goes rather further than the current bill. Footnote: Clough is a very boring poet.AnneJGP said:
Thanks for this. Possibly, given his dates, what he was critiquing by that need not strive officiously to keep alive was people justifying refusal to simply make an effort. With today's resources, we can keep alive in an entirely different way.algarkirk said:Just following up this question fpt:
Thou shalt not kill; but need'st not strive officiously to keep alive. [The Latest Decalogue; Arthur Hugh Clough (1819 - 1861).] It's a parody of the Ten Commandments and I don't know whether he meant one ought indeed strive officiously to keep alive; but to me it seems ethical not so to strive.
Clough is frequently misunderstood. His 'Latest decalogue' was intended as an observation on modernity and its casuistry towards moral norms. Hence for example:
Thou shalt not steal; an empty feat,
When it's so lucrative to cheat:
So Clough intended the opposite of how he is now understood. (Though in the killing one I think he is mostly wrong! He's OK with the rest SFAICS).
Full text here:
https://allpoetry.com/The-Latest-Decalogue1 -
Seat 11A; amazing.SandyRentool said:Looks like the BBC has spoken to a cousin of the survivor, who has verified his identity.
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Indeed: and the story is not a new one. It's been doing the rounds for years (if you should be foolish wnough to hang around the right Reddit forums). So, Richard Madely was asking the question because he knew it would elicit the anecdote. And I wouldnt be surprised if Richard had the whole "hanged" gag ready too.wooliedyed said:
He used to present Most Haunted LiveAnneJGP said:I couldn't hear his response but what is a giant of broadcasting doing, asking the chairman of an up and coming political party whether he believes in ghosts? Is that the most pressing issue of the day?
This does mean, however, that it will be very hard to Reform and the modern Republican Party will find it difficult to work together. I mean, his attitude is the complete opposite of Senator Ernst's "we're all going to die and the tooth fairy isnt real" one.0 -
Although, of course, it's entirely possible that Ms Ernst is no longer a Senator come 2029 when Reform takes power.rcs1000 said:
Indeed: and the story is not a new one. It's been doing the rounds for years (if you should be foolish wnough to hang around the right Reddit forums). So, Richard Madely was asking the question because he knew it would elicit the anecdote. And I wouldnt be surprised if Richard had the whole "hanged" gag ready too.wooliedyed said:
He used to present Most Haunted LiveAnneJGP said:I couldn't hear his response but what is a giant of broadcasting doing, asking the chairman of an up and coming political party whether he believes in ghosts? Is that the most pressing issue of the day?
This does mean, however, that it will be very hard to Reform and the modern Republican Party will find it difficult to work together. I mean, his attitude is the complete opposite of Senator Ernst's "we're all going to die and the tooth fairy isnt real" one.0 -
Probably and hopefully. But he might just fancy some dramatic good-for-ratings military action against a soft target. Neither Israel nor his Gulf mates would object.BartholomewRoberts said:
Yawn. 🌮wooliedyed said:State dept have cancelled a press conference amidst the tension in the ME. Eyes on Iran!
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Indeed: in the US, the Republican Party which - which just a few weeks ago was looking to reduce the Federal budget deficit - is now all in favour of a budget that massively increases it.algarkirk said:
There is nothing specially right wing about Reform's current trajectory; populist centrist high spending nationalist is the clear message now. Ask yourself what the voters of Clacton want in the way of free stuff and the rest follows inescapably.bondegezou said:
He elicits the same vibes as the many former Fox News presenters now filling Trump's cabinet.wooliedyed said:He's everything id expect from a haunted house presenting Reform Chairman
Right wing politics desperately needs some serious and competent people.
Having said that they will get serious and competent people - by the standards now prevailing - as and if they get closer to the possibility of real power. Tim Montgomerie is not an outlier but an advance guard.
The longer Kemi stays on as LOTO, the closer it will get. If Hunt became leader the Tories have a chance of being serious. If a Jenrick type gets it, all bets are off.
The chances as of now is that top of the bill in the next election is Lab v Reform.
Free sweeties is a powerful electoral message. It's just that it's economically ruinous in the long run. (See America, South.)1 -
Just looked at the news for the first time today and can't believe the reports about the Dreamliner. How is it possible for one of those planes to crash?0
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Reality is the blob trying to prevent you from getting free sweeties.Sean_F said:
Not for thirty years or so.bondegezou said:
Didn't we used to have a party on the right that did attract serious and competent? What were they called... the Gazebo Party? The Orangery Party? The Belvedere Party? Something like that...numbertwelve said:
The politics Reform play doesn’t attract serious and competent.bondegezou said:
He elicits the same vibes as the many former Fox News presenters now filling Trump's cabinet.wooliedyed said:He's everything id expect from a haunted house presenting Reform Chairman
Right wing politics desperately needs some serious and competent people.
But then, serious people are rare, in politics, these days.0 -
What was so special about seat 11A, one wonders?IanB2 said:
Seat 11A; amazing.SandyRentool said:Looks like the BBC has spoken to a cousin of the survivor, who has verified his identity.
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You missed the word "not" after the word hopefully.kinabalu said:
Probably and hopefully. But he might just fancy some dramatic good-for-ratings military action against a soft target. Neither Israel nor his Gulf mates would object.BartholomewRoberts said:
Yawn. 🌮wooliedyed said:State dept have cancelled a press conference amidst the tension in the ME. Eyes on Iran!
If we want anyone to take out the Mullahs its going to have to be the Israelis unfortunately.
TACO Trump won't do it.0 -
Last thing from me before I do some work: I see Elon has taken the knee.
He didn't really have a lot of choice: there was no way back with Democratic voters, and SpaceX is incredibly dependent on the government for its contracts. Like many of the oligarchs in Putin's Russia, it became suddenly very clear to Elon that his only choice was to go in to bat for a government that is no longer pretending to be fiscally conservative or to reduce the deficit.
What a sad decline.5 -
Thunderstorms? It is not an act of God that Trumplestiteskin needs to worry about!Scott_xP said:Oh, no, that would be a tragedy...
@thetimes
🔺 EXCLUSIVE: Trump’s birthday parade may be cancelled over thunderstorms
Army spokesman tells The Times of safety fears as president hopes to mark 250 years of the US military with event in Washington on Saturday
Rather it is that quite a lot of people with guns now want him put away. If I were responsible for his safety I would be very unhappy about putting him in front of so many folk with a potential grudge.
Obviously if the Cheeto faced crook was struck by lightening, it would be both hilarious and also proof that the Lord will not be mocked.0 -
Not so much a need to elect a new population as a need to restrict the voting power of those who only take the free sweeties and don't pay anything towards them.rcs1000 said:
Reality is the blob trying to prevent you from getting free sweeties.Sean_F said:
Not for thirty years or so.bondegezou said:
Didn't we used to have a party on the right that did attract serious and competent? What were they called... the Gazebo Party? The Orangery Party? The Belvedere Party? Something like that...numbertwelve said:
The politics Reform play doesn’t attract serious and competent.bondegezou said:
He elicits the same vibes as the many former Fox News presenters now filling Trump's cabinet.wooliedyed said:He's everything id expect from a haunted house presenting Reform Chairman
Right wing politics desperately needs some serious and competent people.
But then, serious people are rare, in politics, these days.0 -
Watching the video, I found myself shouting at the screen: put the nose down you idiot. Those engines don't have enough power to push the plane upwards on their own, they need forward motion. And it looks like they were trying to avoid crashing by pulling back on the yoke, making the angle of attack ever steeper, and slowing the plane down more.Andy_JS said:Just looked at the news for the first time today and can't believe the reports about the Dreamliner. How is it possible for one of those planes to crash?
Of course, I might be wrong, but it reminds me of the airshow crash of the Airbus back in the 1980s, when a pilot was demonstrating the ability of the aircraft to maintain unusual attitudes via the fly by wire system. Only to crash into a forest.1 -
I tend to feel sorry for people screwed over by Donald Trump. But not so much in this case.rcs1000 said:Last thing from me before I do some work: I see Elon has taken the knee.
He didn't really have a lot of choice: there was no way back with Democratic voters, and SpaceX is incredibly dependent on the government for its contracts. Like many of the oligarchs in Putin's Russia, it became suddenly very clear to Elon that his only choice was to go in to bat for a government that is no longer pretending to be fiscally conservative or to reduce the deficit.
What a sad decline.1 -
The value bet would be Ed Davey as LOTOPulpstar said:
6 pts down from the top dog party at this point in a parliament is OK for the gov't tbh. It's looking terminal for the Tories though. Annihilation awaits at the next GE if this carries on with Farage either PM or LOTO.wooliedyed said:Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 30% (-1)
LAB: 24% (+2)
CON: 16% (=)
LDM: 13% (-2)
GRN: 11% (=)
Via @FindoutnowUK, 11 Jun.
Changes w/ 4 Jun.
Reform now definitely off their post LE highs and some sign of a minor Lab recovery in the works.
Tories at 16 with FoN for 5 weeks0 -
Hugo Rifkind has written an article in today's Times essentially saying the same thing that I was saying around 18 months ago about ChatGPT and other AI models — that they often produce a lot of rubbish information. The examples I was giving back then were about election results.2
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He ticks a lot of boxes as the true national populist candidate and he's not afraid of using his dog whistle.Cicero said:
The value bet would be Ed Davey as LOTOPulpstar said:
6 pts down from the top dog party at this point in a parliament is OK for the gov't tbh. It's looking terminal for the Tories though. Annihilation awaits at the next GE if this carries on with Farage either PM or LOTO.wooliedyed said:Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 30% (-1)
LAB: 24% (+2)
CON: 16% (=)
LDM: 13% (-2)
GRN: 11% (=)
Via @FindoutnowUK, 11 Jun.
Changes w/ 4 Jun.
Reform now definitely off their post LE highs and some sign of a minor Lab recovery in the works.
Tories at 16 with FoN for 5 weeks1 -
Id want to see them actually adding substantially to their 2024 polling before that would be remotely attractive. They are almost non existent in the Midlands, North and Wales, so I can't see the path to opposition as it standsCicero said:
The value bet would be Ed Davey as LOTOPulpstar said:
6 pts down from the top dog party at this point in a parliament is OK for the gov't tbh. It's looking terminal for the Tories though. Annihilation awaits at the next GE if this carries on with Farage either PM or LOTO.wooliedyed said:Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 30% (-1)
LAB: 24% (+2)
CON: 16% (=)
LDM: 13% (-2)
GRN: 11% (=)
Via @FindoutnowUK, 11 Jun.
Changes w/ 4 Jun.
Reform now definitely off their post LE highs and some sign of a minor Lab recovery in the works.
Tories at 16 with FoN for 5 weeks1 -
Right now the Country needs serious and competent people unlike Starmer snd Reevesbondegezou said:
He elicits the same vibes as the many former Fox News presenters now filling Trump's cabinet.wooliedyed said:He's everything id expect from a haunted house presenting Reform Chairman
Right wing politics desperately needs some serious and competent people.
Indeed I cannot see any politician that could deal with the hard decisions needed0 -
Who ?Cicero said:
The value bet would be Ed Davey as LOTOPulpstar said:
6 pts down from the top dog party at this point in a parliament is OK for the gov't tbh. It's looking terminal for the Tories though. Annihilation awaits at the next GE if this carries on with Farage either PM or LOTO.wooliedyed said:Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 30% (-1)
LAB: 24% (+2)
CON: 16% (=)
LDM: 13% (-2)
GRN: 11% (=)
Via @FindoutnowUK, 11 Jun.
Changes w/ 4 Jun.
Reform now definitely off their post LE highs and some sign of a minor Lab recovery in the works.
Tories at 16 with FoN for 5 weeks1 -
That's why I said whowooliedyed said:
Id want to see them actually adding substantially to their 2024 polling before that would be remotely attractive. They are almost non existent in the Midlands, North and Wales, so I can't see the path to opposition as it standsCicero said:
The value bet would be Ed Davey as LOTOPulpstar said:
6 pts down from the top dog party at this point in a parliament is OK for the gov't tbh. It's looking terminal for the Tories though. Annihilation awaits at the next GE if this carries on with Farage either PM or LOTO.wooliedyed said:Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 30% (-1)
LAB: 24% (+2)
CON: 16% (=)
LDM: 13% (-2)
GRN: 11% (=)
Via @FindoutnowUK, 11 Jun.
Changes w/ 4 Jun.
Reform now definitely off their post LE highs and some sign of a minor Lab recovery in the works.
Tories at 16 with FoN for 5 weeks0 -
Elon strikes againkinabalu said:
I tend to feel sorry for people screwed over by Donald Trump. But not so much in this case.rcs1000 said:Last thing from me before I do some work: I see Elon has taken the knee.
He didn't really have a lot of choice: there was no way back with Democratic voters, and SpaceX is incredibly dependent on the government for its contracts. Like many of the oligarchs in Putin's Russia, it became suddenly very clear to Elon that his only choice was to go in to bat for a government that is no longer pretending to be fiscally conservative or to reduce the deficit.
What a sad decline.
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Three girls admit killing pensioner, 75, in street attack in London
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Good news!
Star Trek Strange New Worlds has been renewed for a fifth season!
Yay!
Bad news!
The fifth season will be its last!
Boo!
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Seems to me it's not just the politicians that we're lacking but the ideas. Even if all the political parties were to come together to form a government of national interest, could any of the present lot deal with those decisions adequately? (Sounds a bit like a fantasy football team.)Big_G_NorthWales said:
Right now the Country needs serious and competent people unlike Starmer snd Reevesbondegezou said:
He elicits the same vibes as the many former Fox News presenters now filling Trump's cabinet.wooliedyed said:He's everything id expect from a haunted house presenting Reform Chairman
Right wing politics desperately needs some serious and competent people.
Indeed I cannot see any politician that could deal with the hard decisions needed1 -
As we've discussed before, I don't accept your thesis that Reform UK's trajectory is not right wing. You achieve that conclusion in a number of ways. Firstly, you say their anti-immigrant stance does not count as being right wing these days, but I think that's contentious. Nativism remains mostly connected to the right, even if there are a few examples of left-wing parties also going anti-immigrant. (You've mentioned the Danish Social Democrats, but I think there are significant differences between their approach and the usual populist right position seen with Reform UK.)algarkirk said:
There is nothing specially right wing about Reform's current trajectory; populist centrist high spending nationalist is the clear message now. Ask yourself what the voters of Clacton want in the way of free stuff and the rest follows inescapably.bondegezou said:
He elicits the same vibes as the many former Fox News presenters now filling Trump's cabinet.wooliedyed said:He's everything id expect from a haunted house presenting Reform Chairman
Right wing politics desperately needs some serious and competent people.
Having said that they will get serious and competent people - by the standards now prevailing - as and if they get closer to the possibility of real power. Tim Montgomerie is not an outlier but an advance guard.
The longer Kemi stays on as LOTO, the closer it will get. If Hunt became leader the Tories have a chance of being serious. If a Jenrick type gets it, all bets are off.
The chances as of now is that top of the bill in the next election is Lab v Reform.
Reform UK have come out with a number of high-spending pledges and some nods to state intervention that would please a Labour Party member from 1981. However, that's a selective reading of the party. They also push "DOGE-style" cuts, rail against "woke" social liberalism, and want to move the NHS to an insurance model (which would be a huge reduction in the size of the state). This is all small state stuff. They oppose net zero and dabble in climate change denial, and in anti-vax nonsense. They don't want to open coal mines because they're left-wing; they want to open coal mines to own the libs and out of some sort of 1950s fantasy idea of the country. They are a fairly typical populist right party. They are MAGA wrapped in a Union Jack; Farage's love for Trump is explicit. The other obvious comparison after Trump is Pierre Poujade.
It is also telling where Reform UK members are coming from. They are coming from the Conservative Party mostly, with a smattering coming from a lot further right.
So, yes, Reform UK are on the right. They may accept some of the post-war consensus that you label as centrism. They may make unachievable spending promises to the voters of Clacton. But they are not centrists. They are right-wingers, some conservative, some small state, some Poujadist, some reactionary, some nationalist.
As for whether they will attract serious and competent people... well, one Tim Montgomerie doesn't make a summer. Again, let us look at Trump. Trump attracted some serious and competent people, who either soon fell out with him or (e.g. Rubio, arguably Vance) abandoned all their seriousness and competence in favour of bending the knee.
I think the next election may well be Lab v Reform, but I don't expect Reform to be serious or competent. They will be offering fantasy spending plans and grievance politics, like Trump did.3 -
Ah, rooting for some more unprovoked military action in that bastion of stability, the Middle East, are we?BartholomewRoberts said:
You missed the word "not" after the word hopefully.kinabalu said:
Probably and hopefully. But he might just fancy some dramatic good-for-ratings military action against a soft target. Neither Israel nor his Gulf mates would object.BartholomewRoberts said:
Yawn. 🌮wooliedyed said:State dept have cancelled a press conference amidst the tension in the ME. Eyes on Iran!
If we want anyone to take out the Mullahs its going to have to be the Israelis unfortunately.
TACO Trump won't do it.
Well as I say I think there's a decent chance, TACO notwithstanding, that you'll get it. 30% let's say.0 -
If I squint, I can see how the Lib Dems get to 90 seats: hold what they have, get some inner city strongholds back (Cambridge, Bermondsey, Haringey, Cardiff Central) take the seats where they are close behind the Tories even if third ( Romsey, North Dorset, Hamble Valley, N Cotswolds, Hinckley etc)wooliedyed said:
Id want to see them actually adding substantially to their 2024 polling before that would be remotely attractive. They are almost non existent in the Midlands, North and Wales, so I can't see the path to opposition as it standsCicero said:
The value bet would be Ed Davey as LOTOPulpstar said:
6 pts down from the top dog party at this point in a parliament is OK for the gov't tbh. It's looking terminal for the Tories though. Annihilation awaits at the next GE if this carries on with Farage either PM or LOTO.wooliedyed said:Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 30% (-1)
LAB: 24% (+2)
CON: 16% (=)
LDM: 13% (-2)
GRN: 11% (=)
Via @FindoutnowUK, 11 Jun.
Changes w/ 4 Jun.
Reform now definitely off their post LE highs and some sign of a minor Lab recovery in the works.
Tories at 16 with FoN for 5 weeks
But I then look at how they get to 100, or 110, or 120, and I can't even imagine what the seats they'd need to win would be. Maybe look for a by-election to win and hold somewhere unexpected? If the Lib Dems can't break into areas they've had little strength in since ever, they aren't ever going to get to 100 seats. And I don't see anything in polling or local results that suggests that sort of breakthrough.
So you'd need a complete landslide for Labour or Reform, to get the Lib Dems coming second. And that just doesn't ring true for the moment, with polarised and split voting all around.
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Fantasy spending plans as Reeves announced yesterday?bondegezou said:
As we've discussed before, I don't accept your thesis that Reform UK's trajectory is not right wing. You achieve that conclusion in a number of ways. Firstly, you say their anti-immigrant stance does not count as being right wing these days, but I think that's contentious. Nativism remains mostly connected to the right, even if there are a few examples of left-wing parties also going anti-immigrant. (You've mentioned the Danish Social Democrats, but I think there are significant differences between their approach and the usual populist right position seen with Reform UK.)algarkirk said:
There is nothing specially right wing about Reform's current trajectory; populist centrist high spending nationalist is the clear message now. Ask yourself what the voters of Clacton want in the way of free stuff and the rest follows inescapably.bondegezou said:
He elicits the same vibes as the many former Fox News presenters now filling Trump's cabinet.wooliedyed said:He's everything id expect from a haunted house presenting Reform Chairman
Right wing politics desperately needs some serious and competent people.
Having said that they will get serious and competent people - by the standards now prevailing - as and if they get closer to the possibility of real power. Tim Montgomerie is not an outlier but an advance guard.
The longer Kemi stays on as LOTO, the closer it will get. If Hunt became leader the Tories have a chance of being serious. If a Jenrick type gets it, all bets are off.
The chances as of now is that top of the bill in the next election is Lab v Reform.
Reform UK have come out with a number of high-spending pledges and some nods to state intervention that would please a Labour Party member from 1981. However, that's a selective reading of the party. They also push "DOGE-style" cuts, rail against "woke" social liberalism, and want to move the NHS to an insurance model (which would be a huge reduction in the size of the state). This is all small state stuff. They oppose net zero and dabble in climate change denial, and in anti-vax nonsense. They don't want to open coal mines because they're left-wing; they want to open coal mines to own the libs and out of some sort of 1950s fantasy idea of the country. They are a fairly typical populist right party. They are MAGA wrapped in a Union Jack; Farage's love for Trump is explicit. The other obvious comparison after Trump is Pierre Poujade.
It is also telling where Reform UK members are coming from. They are coming from the Conservative Party mostly, with a smattering coming from a lot further right.
So, yes, Reform UK are on the right. They may accept some of the post-war consensus that you label as centrism. They may make unachievable spending promises to the voters of Clacton. But they are not centrists. They are right-wingers, some conservative, some small state, some Poujadist, some reactionary, some nationalist.
As for whether they will attract serious and competent people... well, one Tim Montgomerie doesn't make a summer. Again, let us look at Trump. Trump attracted some serious and competent people, who either soon fell out with him or (e.g. Rubio, arguably Vance) abandoned all their seriousness and competence in favour of bending the knee.
I think the next election may well be Lab v Reform, but I don't expect Reform to be serious or competent. They will be offering fantasy spending plans and grievance politics, like Trump did.1 -
There has only ever been one opinion poll that reported a lower vote share for the Tories than the 16% with FoN above (though this is the seventh time recently they have landed on 16 so unless something changes, random sampling will drop them a lower one at some point). That worst-ever poll was 14, with People Polling at the nadir of Truss's premiership.wooliedyed said:
No that was People Polling. FoN are generally a bit more favourable in vote share to Reform and the worst for Tories but they were the most accurate Mayoralty pollsters - slightly overstating Reform by 2 or 3 points thoughMexicanpete said:
Isn't this Goodwin's shower? He's rolling the pitch for a big uptick for Reform on the next outing. Haven't they previously been censured by BPC, or am I thinking of someone else?wooliedyed said:Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 30% (-1)
LAB: 24% (+2)
CON: 16% (=)
LDM: 13% (-2)
GRN: 11% (=)
Via @FindoutnowUK, 11 Jun.
Changes w/ 4 Jun.
Reform now definitely off their post LE highs and some sign of a minor Lab recovery in the works.
Tories at 16 with FoN for 5 weeks0 -
Reform never averaged more than 30.5% in the polling average, so to say they're off their peak with 30% is pushing things a bit.wooliedyed said:Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 30% (-1)
LAB: 24% (+2)
CON: 16% (=)
LDM: 13% (-2)
GRN: 11% (=)
Via @FindoutnowUK, 11 Jun.
Changes w/ 4 Jun.
Reform now definitely off their post LE highs and some sign of a minor Lab recovery in the works.
Tories at 16 with FoN for 5 weeks0 -
It’s a window seat. My guess is that that’s where the plane fuselage broke, when it hit the ground, and the guy was thrown out through the crack before the whole thing went up in flames.AnneJGP said:
What was so special about seat 11A, one wonders?IanB2 said:
Seat 11A; amazing.SandyRentool said:Looks like the BBC has spoken to a cousin of the survivor, who has verified his identity.
Maybe he had already released his seatbelt, or maybe the seat was thrown out with him? Possibly doing the first saved his life. Everyone else would still have been strapped to the exploding plane.1 -
@BarakRavid
🚨Scoop: White House envoy Steve Witkoff privately warned top Senate Republicans that Iran's retaliation to an Israeli strike on its nuclear program could overwhelm Israel's defenses and cause mass damage and casualties. My story on
@axios
https://x.com/BarakRavid/status/19331960751350621640 -
And they've got to hold on to the extremely efficient voting that got them 72 seats last time. I can see them losing a dozen seats even at 15% nationally. Unless Labour completely collapse they just won't have the 'numbers', and if it becomes a Reform Labour scrap or a tight Lab Con fight they will get squeezedtpfkar said:
If I squint, I can see how the Lib Dems get to 90 seats: hold what they have, get some inner city strongholds back (Cambridge, Bermondsey, Haringey, Cardiff Central) take the seats where they are close behind the Tories even if third ( Romsey, North Dorset, Hamble Valley, N Cotswolds, Hinckley etc)wooliedyed said:
Id want to see them actually adding substantially to their 2024 polling before that would be remotely attractive. They are almost non existent in the Midlands, North and Wales, so I can't see the path to opposition as it standsCicero said:
The value bet would be Ed Davey as LOTOPulpstar said:
6 pts down from the top dog party at this point in a parliament is OK for the gov't tbh. It's looking terminal for the Tories though. Annihilation awaits at the next GE if this carries on with Farage either PM or LOTO.wooliedyed said:Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 30% (-1)
LAB: 24% (+2)
CON: 16% (=)
LDM: 13% (-2)
GRN: 11% (=)
Via @FindoutnowUK, 11 Jun.
Changes w/ 4 Jun.
Reform now definitely off their post LE highs and some sign of a minor Lab recovery in the works.
Tories at 16 with FoN for 5 weeks
But I then look at how they get to 100, or 110, or 120, and I can't even imagine what the seats they'd need to win would be. Maybe look for a by-election to win and hold somewhere unexpected? If the Lib Dems can't break into areas they've had little strength in since ever, they aren't ever going to get to 100 seats. And I don't see anything in polling or local results that suggests that sort of breakthrough.
So you'd need a complete landslide for Labour or Reform, to get the Lib Dems coming second. And that just doesn't ring true for the moment, with polarised and split voting all around.0 -
Unprovoked.kinabalu said:
Ah, rooting for some more unprovoked military action in that bastion of stability, the Middle East, are we?BartholomewRoberts said:
You missed the word "not" after the word hopefully.kinabalu said:
Probably and hopefully. But he might just fancy some dramatic good-for-ratings military action against a soft target. Neither Israel nor his Gulf mates would object.BartholomewRoberts said:
Yawn. 🌮wooliedyed said:State dept have cancelled a press conference amidst the tension in the ME. Eyes on Iran!
If we want anyone to take out the Mullahs its going to have to be the Israelis unfortunately.
TACO Trump won't do it.
Well as I say I think there's a decent chance, TACO notwithstanding, that you'll get it. 30% let's say.
Unprovoked?
Unprovoked!?
LOL kinabalu that was a good one, you literally made me laugh out loud at that one.0 -
Actually, I wouldn't see that as bad news. It means they've got the opportunity to sort out and nicely end all plotlines in a good manner. So many series end on a cliffhanger that never gets resolved. Sometimes, later, they do - Farscape did with the film "The Peacekeeper Wars". Or, like Babylon 5, they hurriedly wrap up the plots to end early, and then get an extension for another season.viewcode said:Good news!
Star Trek Strange New Worlds has been renewed for a fifth season!
Yay!
Bad news!
The fifth season will be its last!
Boo!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLaL2oi0Gog
(Guilty secret: I actually quite liked Series 5 of B5. It's not as good as if they'd stretched the fourth season over the fifth, but I quite liked what they did with it.)1 -
They got a 15 in the election campaign too.david_herdson said:
There has only ever been one opinion poll that reported a lower vote share for the Tories than the 16% with FoN above (though this is the seventh time recently they have landed on 16 so unless something changes, random sampling will drop them a lower one at some point). That worst-ever poll was 14, with People Polling at the nadir of Truss's premiership.wooliedyed said:
No that was People Polling. FoN are generally a bit more favourable in vote share to Reform and the worst for Tories but they were the most accurate Mayoralty pollsters - slightly overstating Reform by 2 or 3 points thoughMexicanpete said:
Isn't this Goodwin's shower? He's rolling the pitch for a big uptick for Reform on the next outing. Haven't they previously been censured by BPC, or am I thinking of someone else?wooliedyed said:Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 30% (-1)
LAB: 24% (+2)
CON: 16% (=)
LDM: 13% (-2)
GRN: 11% (=)
Via @FindoutnowUK, 11 Jun.
Changes w/ 4 Jun.
Reform now definitely off their post LE highs and some sign of a minor Lab recovery in the works.
Tories at 16 with FoN for 5 weeks
Labour are also hovering just above their lowest ever polling
That's a feature of 5 party polling. 25% now is 35% plus two years ago. The days of winning seats with 35,000 votes and 70% are gone0 -
Can't say I'm massively surprised.
Massive scandal in Hungary 🇭🇺
Georg Spöttle, Orban's "best pundit" who has been influencing public opinion for years now, turned out to be a foreign agent (ruzzia), and his handler is colonel Oleg Smirnov (GRU)
The Orban-regime is not commenting so far!
https://x.com/SzabadonMagyar/status/1933067247511113743
Now do Tulsi Gabbard.
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Maybe, yes. Plateaued thenAndy_JS said:
Reform never averaged more than 30.5% in the polling average, so to say they're off their peak with 30% is pushing things a bit.wooliedyed said:Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 30% (-1)
LAB: 24% (+2)
CON: 16% (=)
LDM: 13% (-2)
GRN: 11% (=)
Via @FindoutnowUK, 11 Jun.
Changes w/ 4 Jun.
Reform now definitely off their post LE highs and some sign of a minor Lab recovery in the works.
Tories at 16 with FoN for 5 weeks0 -
P Prune usually has the best commentary on aircraft incidents and accidents.
https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close-calls/666472-plane-crash-near-ahmedabad.html1 -
Starmer and Reeves are serious politicians who are at least trying to do the best job they can. You just don’t like them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Right now the Country needs serious and competent people unlike Starmer snd Reevesbondegezou said:
He elicits the same vibes as the many former Fox News presenters now filling Trump's cabinet.wooliedyed said:He's everything id expect from a haunted house presenting Reform Chairman
Right wing politics desperately needs some serious and competent people.
Indeed I cannot see any politician that could deal with the hard decisions needed
They are light years more serious than Kemi and Farage8 -
Yes, sadly they have yet to find their Starmer and Reeves.bondegezou said:
He elicits the same vibes as the many former Fox News presenters now filling Trump's cabinet.wooliedyed said:He's everything id expect from a haunted house presenting Reform Chairman
Right wing politics desperately needs some serious and competent people.0 -
I think the same. You could add on a few more seats where local government strength hasn't shown up in a GE yet but might project them from nowhere into first place on 35% of the vote but there are only a few of those too. (Hull?)tpfkar said:
If I squint, I can see how the Lib Dems get to 90 seats: hold what they have, get some inner city strongholds back (Cambridge, Bermondsey, Haringey, Cardiff Central) take the seats where they are close behind the Tories even if third ( Romsey, North Dorset, Hamble Valley, N Cotswolds, Hinckley etc)wooliedyed said:
Id want to see them actually adding substantially to their 2024 polling before that would be remotely attractive. They are almost non existent in the Midlands, North and Wales, so I can't see the path to opposition as it standsCicero said:
The value bet would be Ed Davey as LOTOPulpstar said:
6 pts down from the top dog party at this point in a parliament is OK for the gov't tbh. It's looking terminal for the Tories though. Annihilation awaits at the next GE if this carries on with Farage either PM or LOTO.wooliedyed said:Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 30% (-1)
LAB: 24% (+2)
CON: 16% (=)
LDM: 13% (-2)
GRN: 11% (=)
Via @FindoutnowUK, 11 Jun.
Changes w/ 4 Jun.
Reform now definitely off their post LE highs and some sign of a minor Lab recovery in the works.
Tories at 16 with FoN for 5 weeks
But I then look at how they get to 100, or 110, or 120, and I can't even imagine what the seats they'd need to win would be. Maybe look for a by-election to win and hold somewhere unexpected? If the Lib Dems can't break into areas they've had little strength in since ever, they aren't ever going to get to 100 seats. And I don't see anything in polling or local results that suggests that sort of breakthrough.
So you'd need a complete landslide for Labour or Reform, to get the Lib Dems coming second. And that just doesn't ring true for the moment, with polarised and split voting all around.
So I can see the same outcome as 1983 but from a higher base - even on 28% I'd be surprised if they won more than 120 seats. But at 35% they probably win 500.1 -
That boat already sailed.
Though he has a point.
OK, even the existence of this programme review is going to force the UK to re-examine our reliance on the USA.
Remember: AUKUS is a TREATY ratified by three legislature, it's not an idle MoU (like F-35) - it's about the worth of a country.
https://x.com/FTusa284/status/1933066549163708431
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Is this a reliable twitter account?Nigelb said:Can't say I'm massively surprised.
Massive scandal in Hungary 🇭🇺
Georg Spöttle, Orban's "best pundit" who has been influencing public opinion for years now, turned out to be a foreign agent (ruzzia), and his handler is colonel Oleg Smirnov (GRU)
The Orban-regime is not commenting so far!
https://x.com/SzabadonMagyar/status/1933067247511113743
Now do Tulsi Gabbard.0 -
Because you don't like Kemi and Farage. It's a circular argument.Gallowgate said:
Starmer and Reeves are serious politicians who are at least trying to do the best job they can. You just don’t like them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Right now the Country needs serious and competent people unlike Starmer snd Reevesbondegezou said:
He elicits the same vibes as the many former Fox News presenters now filling Trump's cabinet.wooliedyed said:He's everything id expect from a haunted house presenting Reform Chairman
Right wing politics desperately needs some serious and competent people.
Indeed I cannot see any politician that could deal with the hard decisions needed
They are light years more serious than Kemi and Farage1 -
This is the argument I've had with several Lib Demmers who proudly boast 'but, 72 MPs', and compare it with Reform's 5 off more votes. Leaving aside the principle of PR, I agree that if you're looking to maximise representation for a party in the mid-teens then the 2024 strategy worked fine (though still relies on tactical voting, which came a bit unstuck in the past in 2010, never mind 2015).wooliedyed said:
And they've got to hold on to the extremely efficient voting that got them 72 seats last time. I can see them losing a dozen seats even at 15% nationally. Unless Labour completely collapse they just won't have the 'numbers', and if it becomes a Reform Labour scrap or a tight Lab Con fight they will get squeezedtpfkar said:
If I squint, I can see how the Lib Dems get to 90 seats: hold what they have, get some inner city strongholds back (Cambridge, Bermondsey, Haringey, Cardiff Central) take the seats where they are close behind the Tories even if third ( Romsey, North Dorset, Hamble Valley, N Cotswolds, Hinckley etc)wooliedyed said:
Id want to see them actually adding substantially to their 2024 polling before that would be remotely attractive. They are almost non existent in the Midlands, North and Wales, so I can't see the path to opposition as it standsCicero said:
The value bet would be Ed Davey as LOTOPulpstar said:
6 pts down from the top dog party at this point in a parliament is OK for the gov't tbh. It's looking terminal for the Tories though. Annihilation awaits at the next GE if this carries on with Farage either PM or LOTO.wooliedyed said:Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 30% (-1)
LAB: 24% (+2)
CON: 16% (=)
LDM: 13% (-2)
GRN: 11% (=)
Via @FindoutnowUK, 11 Jun.
Changes w/ 4 Jun.
Reform now definitely off their post LE highs and some sign of a minor Lab recovery in the works.
Tories at 16 with FoN for 5 weeks
But I then look at how they get to 100, or 110, or 120, and I can't even imagine what the seats they'd need to win would be. Maybe look for a by-election to win and hold somewhere unexpected? If the Lib Dems can't break into areas they've had little strength in since ever, they aren't ever going to get to 100 seats. And I don't see anything in polling or local results that suggests that sort of breakthrough.
So you'd need a complete landslide for Labour or Reform, to get the Lib Dems coming second. And that just doesn't ring true for the moment, with polarised and split voting all around.
But it also puts the sweet spot at about 72 MPs. The vote spread becomes increasingly inefficient thereafter as you go up, whereas although Reform hit breakthrough at a higher level, once they're there, the seats come flooding in. So the question is: what's the limit of your ambition. Do you see your ceiling as a largish third party or do you aspire to lead a government?
On the other hand, the Lib Dems are being quite distinct from all the other three parties at the moment. unfortunately, they're not getting as much media coverage as they should be - particularly with something to say that the others aren't, whether on social care or Trump, Europe and foreign affairs. The comms team needs to be knocking harder on media doors.2 -
@BartholomewRoberts the US wont strike Iran they will get Israel to do their dirty work so Trump can pretend he isn’t starting a new war in the middle east0
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A while back, I heard a longform interview with an ex-MD of one of an airline (United AIrlines, I think). He said he had a folder that contained information on what to do if there was a serious plane crash involving his airline. It contained things like contact numbers for people on his team who would do certain things; people in the US and other governments / FAA, heads of departments etc. It also contained scripted lines written in his voice (i.e. using the sort of words he would use) if he had to do an interview before he had been fully briefed.
He said he had a copy in his bedside cabinet at home, one in his office, one in his travel bag, etc. He also said he felt an enormous relief when he ended his time in charge at the company and could shred the lot, without them having been used.
Nowadays, it's all probably online...0 -
On topic, "fruitcakes and nutters" was one of Cameron's better pieces of analysis.0
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Not really. Farage is objectively promising a platform that isn’t deliverable. It’s Brexit all over againwooliedyed said:
Because you don't like Kemi and Farage. It's a circular argument.Gallowgate said:
Starmer and Reeves are serious politicians who are at least trying to do the best job they can. You just don’t like them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Right now the Country needs serious and competent people unlike Starmer snd Reevesbondegezou said:
He elicits the same vibes as the many former Fox News presenters now filling Trump's cabinet.wooliedyed said:He's everything id expect from a haunted house presenting Reform Chairman
Right wing politics desperately needs some serious and competent people.
Indeed I cannot see any politician that could deal with the hard decisions needed
They are light years more serious than Kemi and Farage
Kemi is just talking to herself0 -
To be fair, preventing Iran from getting nukes isn't dirty work.Gallowgate said:@BartholomewRoberts the US wont strike Iran they will get Israel to do their dirty work so Trump can pretend he isn’t starting a new war in the middle east
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And because TACO Trump is too chickenshit to do it himself.Gallowgate said:@BartholomewRoberts the US wont strike Iran they will get Israel to do their dirty work so Trump can pretend he isn’t starting a new war in the middle east
Hopefully Israel are not.
Will noone rid us of these turbulent Mullahs?0 -
I think it's the Port side seat immediately by the door, at the very front of coach class. Perhaps that's where the hull broke.IanB2 said:
It’s a window seat. My guess is that that’s where the plane fuselage broke, when it hit the ground, and the guy was thrown out through the crack before the whole thing went up in flames.AnneJGP said:
What was so special about seat 11A, one wonders?IanB2 said:
Seat 11A; amazing.SandyRentool said:Looks like the BBC has spoken to a cousin of the survivor, who has verified his identity.
Maybe he had already released his seatbelt, or maybe the seat was thrown out with him? Possibly doing the first saved his life. Everyone else would still have been strapped to the exploding plane.0 -
And more Israelis and Iranians will dieBartholomewRoberts said:
And because TACO Trump is too chickenshit to do it himself.Gallowgate said:@BartholomewRoberts the US wont strike Iran they will get Israel to do their dirty work so Trump can pretend he isn’t starting a new war in the middle east
Hopefully Israel are not.
Will noone rid us of these turbulent Mullahs?0 -
Iran has bombed the US?BartholomewRoberts said:
Unprovoked.kinabalu said:
Ah, rooting for some more unprovoked military action in that bastion of stability, the Middle East, are we?BartholomewRoberts said:
You missed the word "not" after the word hopefully.kinabalu said:
Probably and hopefully. But he might just fancy some dramatic good-for-ratings military action against a soft target. Neither Israel nor his Gulf mates would object.BartholomewRoberts said:
Yawn. 🌮wooliedyed said:State dept have cancelled a press conference amidst the tension in the ME. Eyes on Iran!
If we want anyone to take out the Mullahs its going to have to be the Israelis unfortunately.
TACO Trump won't do it.
Well as I say I think there's a decent chance, TACO notwithstanding, that you'll get it. 30% let's say.
Unprovoked?
Unprovoked!?
LOL kinabalu that was a good one, you literally made me laugh out loud at that one.
Sorry, missed that. My bad.0 -
This is opinion, not fact.Gallowgate said:
Not really. Farage is objectively promising a platform that isn’t deliverable. It’s Brexit all over againwooliedyed said:
Because you don't like Kemi and Farage. It's a circular argument.Gallowgate said:
Starmer and Reeves are serious politicians who are at least trying to do the best job they can. You just don’t like them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Right now the Country needs serious and competent people unlike Starmer snd Reevesbondegezou said:
He elicits the same vibes as the many former Fox News presenters now filling Trump's cabinet.wooliedyed said:He's everything id expect from a haunted house presenting Reform Chairman
Right wing politics desperately needs some serious and competent people.
Indeed I cannot see any politician that could deal with the hard decisions needed
They are light years more serious than Kemi and Farage
Kemi is just talking to herself
They are all pretty useless in my opinion, but that's not objective, its opinion
There is nothing objectively more 'serious' about Starmer than the LOTO0 -
Iran want nuclear weapons so they don’t get Ukrained. Can’t say I blame them.1
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They got three, having just checked (two PP, one FON). My apologies.wooliedyed said:
They got a 15 in the election campaign too.david_herdson said:
There has only ever been one opinion poll that reported a lower vote share for the Tories than the 16% with FoN above (though this is the seventh time recently they have landed on 16 so unless something changes, random sampling will drop them a lower one at some point). That worst-ever poll was 14, with People Polling at the nadir of Truss's premiership.wooliedyed said:
No that was People Polling. FoN are generally a bit more favourable in vote share to Reform and the worst for Tories but they were the most accurate Mayoralty pollsters - slightly overstating Reform by 2 or 3 points thoughMexicanpete said:
Isn't this Goodwin's shower? He's rolling the pitch for a big uptick for Reform on the next outing. Haven't they previously been censured by BPC, or am I thinking of someone else?wooliedyed said:Westminster Voting Intention:
RFM: 30% (-1)
LAB: 24% (+2)
CON: 16% (=)
LDM: 13% (-2)
GRN: 11% (=)
Via @FindoutnowUK, 11 Jun.
Changes w/ 4 Jun.
Reform now definitely off their post LE highs and some sign of a minor Lab recovery in the works.
Tories at 16 with FoN for 5 weeks
Labour are also hovering just above their lowest ever polling
That's a feature of 5 party polling. 25% now is 35% plus two years ago. The days of winning seats with 35,000 votes and 70% are gone
But yes, five parties in double figures is going to put a hell of a stress on FPTP.0 -
There is. Objectively. Starmer is Prime Minister is delivering a programme that is at least stable. Kemi is talking to herself and nobody is listeningwooliedyed said:
This is opinion, not fact.Gallowgate said:
Not really. Farage is objectively promising a platform that isn’t deliverable. It’s Brexit all over againwooliedyed said:
Because you don't like Kemi and Farage. It's a circular argument.Gallowgate said:
Starmer and Reeves are serious politicians who are at least trying to do the best job they can. You just don’t like them.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Right now the Country needs serious and competent people unlike Starmer snd Reevesbondegezou said:
He elicits the same vibes as the many former Fox News presenters now filling Trump's cabinet.wooliedyed said:He's everything id expect from a haunted house presenting Reform Chairman
Right wing politics desperately needs some serious and competent people.
Indeed I cannot see any politician that could deal with the hard decisions needed
They are light years more serious than Kemi and Farage
Kemi is just talking to herself
They are all pretty useless in my opinion, but that's not objective, its opinion
There is nothing objectively more 'serious' about Starmer than the LOTO1
