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  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,381
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Hard to argue with this


    "1️⃣ Sometimes I hate living in this country. I’m part of the generation whose university fees were tripled during austerity, while pensioners got the triple lock to protect their incomes.

    2️⃣ I spent 3 years of my 20s locked indoors during Covid, to “protect the NHS” but let’s be honest: it was mostly to protect older people who faced far higher mortality.

    3️⃣ Since then, living standards have collapsed, costs have soared, and older homeowners block new housing and infrastructure to protect the value of their assets leaving my generation locked out of home ownership and with soaring utilities bills.

    4️⃣ Meanwhile, taxes keep rising to fund handouts for pensioners with household incomes of £70,000 — far more than many people my age earn — and we get nothing.

    5️⃣ We’re spending £8 million a day housing and feeding illegal migrants, while my generation either lives with parents into our 30s or burns 50%+ of our income on rent.

    6️⃣ Today's pensioners are the wealthiest cohort in Britain, ever. Over their lifetimes, they’ll take £2–£3 in state benefits & services for every £1 they paid in tax, state pensions, NHS, free education, housing market gains, minimal pension contributions.

    7️⃣ It’s a complete pisstake.

    No wonder young people are leaving.

    We are treated with utter contempt compared to illegal arrivals and relatively wealthy retirees."

    https://x.com/albieamankona/status/1932072006444290069

    If it wasn't for the unpleasant and unnecessary racial dogwhistles that detract from the point, I would have liked that.
    1. There’s no racist dog whistles

    2. The guy that wrote the tweet is black

    Other than that, good point
    1. Point 5 and "We are treated with utter contempt compared to illegal arrivals" are racist dog whistles.

    We're treated with contempt compared to relatively wealthy retirees, absolutely, but not compared to asylum seekers who are forbidden to work and given a pittance to live on.

    2. Are =if you claiming black people can't be racist?
    Attitudes like yours - "shut up, you racist" - are precisely why Reform is leading the polls, and is gaining ground, every day, with younger Britons
    I never said shut up, but yes claiming to be treated worse than asylum seekers is an absurd falsehood/dog whistle.

    Would you like to be forbidden from working and obliged to live off £49.18 per week?

    I would not.

    I would not wish it on you.

    I would not wish it on anyone.

    There are ways to critique the system and the amount spent without resorting to such hyperbole.
    You absolutely accused him of being a racist. You said he used "an unpleasant and unnecessary racial dogwhistle", and you said for that reason you were going to ignore him. In short, you said "shut up, you racist"

    Do keep going, As things stand I want Reform to win the next election and people like you will deliver that
    I never said shut up, I am pro-free speech. Shut up is your words, not mine. I'm entirely comfortable with people I disagree with expressing their opinion.

    I have said what I think was an unpleasant dog whistle and why. That's my free speech.
    It is. And I heartily applaud. Because British people are really tired of being called "racist" for offering the slightest complaint about migration, and the accusation is, I now think, actually counter productive. Driving people to Reform. So, more please
    Complain about migration all you like. I've had many a thoughtful debate on that with people here without saying anyone was making absurd racial dog whistles.

    Complaining that you're treated worse than someone forbidden from working and obliged to live off £49.18 is absurd an absurd racial dog whistle though.

    Unless for some reason you are prohibited from working and have less than £49 a week to live off, including for food?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,554
    AnneJGP said:

    algarkirk said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Interesting intro to the 75th year anniversary release of 1984.

    Reads a bit like a trigger warning.

    https://x.com/edwest/status/1932100076559884414?s=61

    Sounds like we should cancel 1984:

    Perkins-Valdez, a Black writer also noted the novel's lack of racial representation: "That sliver of connection can be difficult for someone like me to find in a novel that does not speak much to race and ethnicity at all."
    He literally says "for someone like me". He's not saying you can't read it; he's saying it doesn't connect with him. God forbid people should have opinions on books!

    It’s the forward of the latest reprint of the book. If it was some random person giving there opinion that’s one thing but thus is literally the foreward to the latest print.

    Of course it merits discussion and critique.
    Perkins-Valdez is going to struggle with Middlemarch, Emma, Dombey and Son, the Song of Solomon, and Barchester Towers. Once you have noted the lack of 'race and ethnicity' what more is there to say?
    I love TS Eliot's poetry even though I hardly understand any of it.
    TS Eliot thought of that when he said:
    ‘Genuine poetry can communicate before it is understood’.

    It's in an essay on Dante.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,661
    algarkirk said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Interesting intro to the 75th year anniversary release of 1984.

    Reads a bit like a trigger warning.

    https://x.com/edwest/status/1932100076559884414?s=61

    Sounds like we should cancel 1984:

    Perkins-Valdez, a Black writer also noted the novel's lack of racial representation: "That sliver of connection can be difficult for someone like me to find in a novel that does not speak much to race and ethnicity at all."
    He literally says "for someone like me". He's not saying you can't read it; he's saying it doesn't connect with him. God forbid people should have opinions on books!
    She’s (I think) pretty stupid if she can’t understand what 1984 is all about simply because there’s no black characters in it.
    Her Foreword was accepted by the publishers. That's interesting in itself, since she seemingly can't find a way in to a novel which lacks her keywords.
    Her foreword if you read more about it is quite thoughtful and entirely in line with the kind of discussion that Orwell was absolutely in favour of.

    https://www.newsweek.com/new-1984-foreword-includes-warning-about-problematic-characters-2082192

    While the foreword has prompted the familiar battle lines playing out across the Trump-era culture wars, Beers sees the conversation itself as in keeping with Orwell's legacy.

    "By attempting to place Orwell's work in conversation with changing values and historical understandings in the decades since he was writing," she said, "scholars like Perkins-Valdez are exercising the very freedom to express uncomfortable and difficult opinions that Orwell explicitly championed."
    I wonder if a North Korean dissident who had the unlikely good fortune to be able to read 1984 would find the ethnic gaps a major obstacle.

    For me, I have read it precisely once, years ago, I would never read it again as what is important about it (as a novel I don't think it's all that good) is embedded in my heart and is irremovable.

    The Orwell novel I actually remember is 'A Clergyman's Daughter', which I loved and still do.
    Orwell is a fascinating writer, if you're a writer

    He was very skilful at lyrical prose as a young man: the compelling image, vivid similes, clever metaphors, he could do it all. eg About age 20 he described the flames of a hearth-fire as resembling "red holly" which is kinda genius

    But he renounced all that - his own talent - and decided to adopt the most plain prose style possible. He said prose should be like "a window pane", through which you can clearly perceive the meaning. Any adornment is a distraction. So he junked his own gifts

    And then wrote arguably the most important novel in the English language - 1984 - along with several other classics, Animal Farm, Down and Out, Homage to Catalonia. One wonders what he would have done if he hadn't died so young
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,554
    Foxy said:

    biggles said:

    I’d take California into our Union if they asked nicely.

    "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and California" has a curiously interesting ring to it, like a stately home meeting Hollywood. Canada is surely the slightly more possible of the option, though.
    Harry and Meghan could be Viceroys of California.
    Not if California is part of the UK. No royal representative is needed.
    The United Kingdom of Great Britain, Northern Ireland, Canada and California would be a single unity.

  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,661

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Hard to argue with this


    "1️⃣ Sometimes I hate living in this country. I’m part of the generation whose university fees were tripled during austerity, while pensioners got the triple lock to protect their incomes.

    2️⃣ I spent 3 years of my 20s locked indoors during Covid, to “protect the NHS” but let’s be honest: it was mostly to protect older people who faced far higher mortality.

    3️⃣ Since then, living standards have collapsed, costs have soared, and older homeowners block new housing and infrastructure to protect the value of their assets leaving my generation locked out of home ownership and with soaring utilities bills.

    4️⃣ Meanwhile, taxes keep rising to fund handouts for pensioners with household incomes of £70,000 — far more than many people my age earn — and we get nothing.

    5️⃣ We’re spending £8 million a day housing and feeding illegal migrants, while my generation either lives with parents into our 30s or burns 50%+ of our income on rent.

    6️⃣ Today's pensioners are the wealthiest cohort in Britain, ever. Over their lifetimes, they’ll take £2–£3 in state benefits & services for every £1 they paid in tax, state pensions, NHS, free education, housing market gains, minimal pension contributions.

    7️⃣ It’s a complete pisstake.

    No wonder young people are leaving.

    We are treated with utter contempt compared to illegal arrivals and relatively wealthy retirees."

    https://x.com/albieamankona/status/1932072006444290069

    If it wasn't for the unpleasant and unnecessary racial dogwhistles that detract from the point, I would have liked that.
    1. There’s no racist dog whistles

    2. The guy that wrote the tweet is black

    Other than that, good point
    1. Point 5 and "We are treated with utter contempt compared to illegal arrivals" are racist dog whistles.

    We're treated with contempt compared to relatively wealthy retirees, absolutely, but not compared to asylum seekers who are forbidden to work and given a pittance to live on.

    2. Are =if you claiming black people can't be racist?
    Attitudes like yours - "shut up, you racist" - are precisely why Reform is leading the polls, and is gaining ground, every day, with younger Britons
    I never said shut up, but yes claiming to be treated worse than asylum seekers is an absurd falsehood/dog whistle.

    Would you like to be forbidden from working and obliged to live off £49.18 per week?

    I would not.

    I would not wish it on you.

    I would not wish it on anyone.

    There are ways to critique the system and the amount spent without resorting to such hyperbole.
    You absolutely accused him of being a racist. You said he used "an unpleasant and unnecessary racial dogwhistle", and you said for that reason you were going to ignore him. In short, you said "shut up, you racist"

    Do keep going, As things stand I want Reform to win the next election and people like you will deliver that
    I never said shut up, I am pro-free speech. Shut up is your words, not mine. I'm entirely comfortable with people I disagree with expressing their opinion.

    I have said what I think was an unpleasant dog whistle and why. That's my free speech.
    It is. And I heartily applaud. Because British people are really tired of being called "racist" for offering the slightest complaint about migration, and the accusation is, I now think, actually counter productive. Driving people to Reform. So, more please
    Complain about migration all you like. I've had many a thoughtful debate on that with people here without saying anyone was making absurd racial dog whistles.

    Complaining that you're treated worse than someone forbidden from working and obliged to live off £49.18 is absurd an absurd racial dog whistle though.

    Unless for some reason you are prohibited from working and have less than £49 a week to live off, including for food?
    Just keep calling him a racist, is all I ask. It shouldn't be hard for you, because you absolutely LOVE to do Woke virtue signalling, don't you?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,554
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Interesting intro to the 75th year anniversary release of 1984.

    Reads a bit like a trigger warning.

    https://x.com/edwest/status/1932100076559884414?s=61

    Sounds like we should cancel 1984:

    Perkins-Valdez, a Black writer also noted the novel's lack of racial representation: "That sliver of connection can be difficult for someone like me to find in a novel that does not speak much to race and ethnicity at all."
    He literally says "for someone like me". He's not saying you can't read it; he's saying it doesn't connect with him. God forbid people should have opinions on books!
    She’s (I think) pretty stupid if she can’t understand what 1984 is all about simply because there’s no black characters in it.
    Her Foreword was accepted by the publishers. That's interesting in itself, since she seemingly can't find a way in to a novel which lacks her keywords.
    Her foreword if you read more about it is quite thoughtful and entirely in line with the kind of discussion that Orwell was absolutely in favour of.

    https://www.newsweek.com/new-1984-foreword-includes-warning-about-problematic-characters-2082192

    While the foreword has prompted the familiar battle lines playing out across the Trump-era culture wars, Beers sees the conversation itself as in keeping with Orwell's legacy.

    "By attempting to place Orwell's work in conversation with changing values and historical understandings in the decades since he was writing," she said, "scholars like Perkins-Valdez are exercising the very freedom to express uncomfortable and difficult opinions that Orwell explicitly championed."
    I wonder if a North Korean dissident who had the unlikely good fortune to be able to read 1984 would find the ethnic gaps a major obstacle.

    For me, I have read it precisely once, years ago, I would never read it again as what is important about it (as a novel I don't think it's all that good) is embedded in my heart and is irremovable.

    The Orwell novel I actually remember is 'A Clergyman's Daughter', which I loved and still do.
    Orwell is a fascinating writer, if you're a writer

    He was very skilful at lyrical prose as a young man: the compelling image, vivid similes, clever metaphors, he could do it all. eg About age 20 he described the flames of a hearth-fire as resembling "red holly" which is kinda genius

    But he renounced all that - his own talent - and decided to adopt the most plain prose style possible. He said prose should be like "a window pane", through which you can clearly perceive the meaning. Any adornment is a distraction. So he junked his own gifts

    And then wrote arguably the most important novel in the English language - 1984 - along with several other classics, Animal Farm, Down and Out, Homage to Catalonia. One wonders what he would have done if he hadn't died so young
    But don't miss Coming Up For Air.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,198
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Interesting intro to the 75th year anniversary release of 1984.

    Reads a bit like a trigger warning.

    https://x.com/edwest/status/1932100076559884414?s=61

    Sounds like we should cancel 1984:

    Perkins-Valdez, a Black writer also noted the novel's lack of racial representation: "That sliver of connection can be difficult for someone like me to find in a novel that does not speak much to race and ethnicity at all."
    He literally says "for someone like me". He's not saying you can't read it; he's saying it doesn't connect with him. God forbid people should have opinions on books!
    She’s (I think) pretty stupid if she can’t understand what 1984 is all about simply because there’s no black characters in it.
    Her Foreword was accepted by the publishers. That's interesting in itself, since she seemingly can't find a way in to a novel which lacks her keywords.
    Her foreword if you read more about it is quite thoughtful and entirely in line with the kind of discussion that Orwell was absolutely in favour of.

    https://www.newsweek.com/new-1984-foreword-includes-warning-about-problematic-characters-2082192

    While the foreword has prompted the familiar battle lines playing out across the Trump-era culture wars, Beers sees the conversation itself as in keeping with Orwell's legacy.

    "By attempting to place Orwell's work in conversation with changing values and historical understandings in the decades since he was writing," she said, "scholars like Perkins-Valdez are exercising the very freedom to express uncomfortable and difficult opinions that Orwell explicitly championed."
    I wonder if a North Korean dissident who had the unlikely good fortune to be able to read 1984 would find the ethnic gaps a major obstacle.

    For me, I have read it precisely once, years ago, I would never read it again as what is important about it (as a novel I don't think it's all that good) is embedded in my heart and is irremovable.

    The Orwell novel I actually remember is 'A Clergyman's Daughter', which I loved and still do.
    Orwell is a fascinating writer, if you're a writer

    He was very skilful at lyrical prose as a young man: the compelling image, vivid similes, clever metaphors, he could do it all. eg About age 20 he described the flames of a hearth-fire as resembling "red holly" which is kinda genius

    But he renounced all that - his own talent - and decided to adopt the most plain prose style possible. He said prose should be like "a window pane", through which you can clearly perceive the meaning. Any adornment is a distraction. So he junked his own gifts

    And then wrote arguably the most important novel in the English language - 1984 - along with several other classics, Animal Farm, Down and Out, Homage to Catalonia. One wonders what he would have done if he hadn't died so young
    Maybe 1984 wouldn't have been 1984 if he hadn't known he was running out of time.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,381
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Hard to argue with this


    "1️⃣ Sometimes I hate living in this country. I’m part of the generation whose university fees were tripled during austerity, while pensioners got the triple lock to protect their incomes.

    2️⃣ I spent 3 years of my 20s locked indoors during Covid, to “protect the NHS” but let’s be honest: it was mostly to protect older people who faced far higher mortality.

    3️⃣ Since then, living standards have collapsed, costs have soared, and older homeowners block new housing and infrastructure to protect the value of their assets leaving my generation locked out of home ownership and with soaring utilities bills.

    4️⃣ Meanwhile, taxes keep rising to fund handouts for pensioners with household incomes of £70,000 — far more than many people my age earn — and we get nothing.

    5️⃣ We’re spending £8 million a day housing and feeding illegal migrants, while my generation either lives with parents into our 30s or burns 50%+ of our income on rent.

    6️⃣ Today's pensioners are the wealthiest cohort in Britain, ever. Over their lifetimes, they’ll take £2–£3 in state benefits & services for every £1 they paid in tax, state pensions, NHS, free education, housing market gains, minimal pension contributions.

    7️⃣ It’s a complete pisstake.

    No wonder young people are leaving.

    We are treated with utter contempt compared to illegal arrivals and relatively wealthy retirees."

    https://x.com/albieamankona/status/1932072006444290069

    If it wasn't for the unpleasant and unnecessary racial dogwhistles that detract from the point, I would have liked that.
    1. There’s no racist dog whistles

    2. The guy that wrote the tweet is black

    Other than that, good point
    1. Point 5 and "We are treated with utter contempt compared to illegal arrivals" are racist dog whistles.

    We're treated with contempt compared to relatively wealthy retirees, absolutely, but not compared to asylum seekers who are forbidden to work and given a pittance to live on.

    2. Are =if you claiming black people can't be racist?
    Attitudes like yours - "shut up, you racist" - are precisely why Reform is leading the polls, and is gaining ground, every day, with younger Britons
    I never said shut up, but yes claiming to be treated worse than asylum seekers is an absurd falsehood/dog whistle.

    Would you like to be forbidden from working and obliged to live off £49.18 per week?

    I would not.

    I would not wish it on you.

    I would not wish it on anyone.

    There are ways to critique the system and the amount spent without resorting to such hyperbole.
    You absolutely accused him of being a racist. You said he used "an unpleasant and unnecessary racial dogwhistle", and you said for that reason you were going to ignore him. In short, you said "shut up, you racist"

    Do keep going, As things stand I want Reform to win the next election and people like you will deliver that
    I never said shut up, I am pro-free speech. Shut up is your words, not mine. I'm entirely comfortable with people I disagree with expressing their opinion.

    I have said what I think was an unpleasant dog whistle and why. That's my free speech.
    It is. And I heartily applaud. Because British people are really tired of being called "racist" for offering the slightest complaint about migration, and the accusation is, I now think, actually counter productive. Driving people to Reform. So, more please
    Complain about migration all you like. I've had many a thoughtful debate on that with people here without saying anyone was making absurd racial dog whistles.

    Complaining that you're treated worse than someone forbidden from working and obliged to live off £49.18 is absurd an absurd racial dog whistle though.

    Unless for some reason you are prohibited from working and have less than £49 a week to live off, including for food?
    Just keep calling him a racist, is all I ask. It shouldn't be hard for you, because you absolutely LOVE to do Woke virtue signalling, don't you?
    Whereas you like to call a spade a spade, but God forbid anyone call a racist a racist.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,774
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Scott_xP said:

    This guy is not well

    @atrupar.com‬

    Q: What crimes has Gavin Newsom committed?

    TRUMP: I think his primary crime is running for governor, because he's done such a bad job

    https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lr74d2ss3d2h

    Totally agree. That Rupar guy is a grade A prick. Now blocked on my Twitter feed.
    You have a problem wit folk reporting what Trump has said ?
    Or do you just want it with a positive spin ?
    You seriously think Aaron Rupar just reports what is said ? Have you seen his feed.


  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,661

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Interesting intro to the 75th year anniversary release of 1984.

    Reads a bit like a trigger warning.

    https://x.com/edwest/status/1932100076559884414?s=61

    Sounds like we should cancel 1984:

    Perkins-Valdez, a Black writer also noted the novel's lack of racial representation: "That sliver of connection can be difficult for someone like me to find in a novel that does not speak much to race and ethnicity at all."
    He literally says "for someone like me". He's not saying you can't read it; he's saying it doesn't connect with him. God forbid people should have opinions on books!
    She’s (I think) pretty stupid if she can’t understand what 1984 is all about simply because there’s no black characters in it.
    Her Foreword was accepted by the publishers. That's interesting in itself, since she seemingly can't find a way in to a novel which lacks her keywords.
    Her foreword if you read more about it is quite thoughtful and entirely in line with the kind of discussion that Orwell was absolutely in favour of.

    https://www.newsweek.com/new-1984-foreword-includes-warning-about-problematic-characters-2082192

    While the foreword has prompted the familiar battle lines playing out across the Trump-era culture wars, Beers sees the conversation itself as in keeping with Orwell's legacy.

    "By attempting to place Orwell's work in conversation with changing values and historical understandings in the decades since he was writing," she said, "scholars like Perkins-Valdez are exercising the very freedom to express uncomfortable and difficult opinions that Orwell explicitly championed."
    I wonder if a North Korean dissident who had the unlikely good fortune to be able to read 1984 would find the ethnic gaps a major obstacle.

    For me, I have read it precisely once, years ago, I would never read it again as what is important about it (as a novel I don't think it's all that good) is embedded in my heart and is irremovable.

    The Orwell novel I actually remember is 'A Clergyman's Daughter', which I loved and still do.
    Orwell is a fascinating writer, if you're a writer

    He was very skilful at lyrical prose as a young man: the compelling image, vivid similes, clever metaphors, he could do it all. eg About age 20 he described the flames of a hearth-fire as resembling "red holly" which is kinda genius

    But he renounced all that - his own talent - and decided to adopt the most plain prose style possible. He said prose should be like "a window pane", through which you can clearly perceive the meaning. Any adornment is a distraction. So he junked his own gifts

    And then wrote arguably the most important novel in the English language - 1984 - along with several other classics, Animal Farm, Down and Out, Homage to Catalonia. One wonders what he would have done if he hadn't died so young
    Maybe 1984 wouldn't have been 1984 if he hadn't known he was running out of time.
    Yes, I've often wondered that. Trading your life for a small period of immortal creative genius, like the bluesman Robert Johnson trading with the Devil at the crossroads

    Like Sylvia Plath in her last months, as she wrote the poems that made "Ariel"
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,728
    Taz said:

    Have you seen his feed.

    The feed of clips of Trump saying insane shit on live TV

    Yes
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,661
    algarkirk said:

    AnneJGP said:

    algarkirk said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Interesting intro to the 75th year anniversary release of 1984.

    Reads a bit like a trigger warning.

    https://x.com/edwest/status/1932100076559884414?s=61

    Sounds like we should cancel 1984:

    Perkins-Valdez, a Black writer also noted the novel's lack of racial representation: "That sliver of connection can be difficult for someone like me to find in a novel that does not speak much to race and ethnicity at all."
    He literally says "for someone like me". He's not saying you can't read it; he's saying it doesn't connect with him. God forbid people should have opinions on books!

    It’s the forward of the latest reprint of the book. If it was some random person giving there opinion that’s one thing but thus is literally the foreward to the latest print.

    Of course it merits discussion and critique.
    Perkins-Valdez is going to struggle with Middlemarch, Emma, Dombey and Son, the Song of Solomon, and Barchester Towers. Once you have noted the lack of 'race and ethnicity' what more is there to say?
    I love TS Eliot's poetry even though I hardly understand any of it.
    TS Eliot thought of that when he said:
    ‘Genuine poetry can communicate before it is understood’.

    It's in an essay on Dante.
    Eliot is an absolutely brilliant critic. Almost better than his poetry, definitely better than his verse drama
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,449

    Another reason why nobody with a brain would want that tax dodging thug as Prime Minister.

    Jeremy Clarkson meets Australia captain Pat Cummins: ‘I’ve never been a fan of cricket’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/06/08/jeremy-clarkson-australia-pat-cummins-farm-kaleb-cooper/

    The most boring "sport" on the planet.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,888
    edited June 9
    algarkirk said:

    Foxy said:

    biggles said:

    I’d take California into our Union if they asked nicely.

    "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and California" has a curiously interesting ring to it, like a stately home meeting Hollywood. Canada is surely the slightly more possible of the option, though.
    Harry and Meghan could be Viceroys of California.
    Not if California is part of the UK. No royal representative is needed.
    The United Kingdom of Great Britain, Northern Ireland, Canada and California would be a single unity.

    Surely it has to earn its spurs as a colony for a while?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,888

    Another reason why nobody with a brain would want that tax dodging thug as Prime Minister.

    Jeremy Clarkson meets Australia captain Pat Cummins: ‘I’ve never been a fan of cricket’

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2025/06/08/jeremy-clarkson-australia-pat-cummins-farm-kaleb-cooper/

    The most boring "sport" on the planet.
    Not while golf and Formula One exist.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,449

    biggles said:

    I’d take California into our Union if they asked nicely.

    "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and California" has a curiously interesting ring to it, like a stately home meeting Hollywood. Canada is surely the slightly more possible of the option, though.
    We've already got one:

    https://www.wokinghamremembers.com/2015/07/24/the-true-story-of-berkshires-california/

    (and as far as any one can tell, the UK version nicked its name from the American one, for once.)
    Belmont station on the Epsom Downs branch used to be called "California".
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,609
    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Interesting intro to the 75th year anniversary release of 1984.

    Reads a bit like a trigger warning.

    https://x.com/edwest/status/1932100076559884414?s=61

    Sounds like we should cancel 1984:

    Perkins-Valdez, a Black writer also noted the novel's lack of racial representation: "That sliver of connection can be difficult for someone like me to find in a novel that does not speak much to race and ethnicity at all."
    He literally says "for someone like me". He's not saying you can't read it; he's saying it doesn't connect with him. God forbid people should have opinions on books!
    She’s (I think) pretty stupid if she can’t understand what 1984 is all about simply because there’s no black characters in it.
    Her Foreword was accepted by the publishers. That's interesting in itself, since she seemingly can't find a way in to a novel which lacks her keywords.
    Her foreword if you read more about it is quite thoughtful and entirely in line with the kind of discussion that Orwell was absolutely in favour of.

    https://www.newsweek.com/new-1984-foreword-includes-warning-about-problematic-characters-2082192

    While the foreword has prompted the familiar battle lines playing out across the Trump-era culture wars, Beers sees the conversation itself as in keeping with Orwell's legacy.

    "By attempting to place Orwell's work in conversation with changing values and historical understandings in the decades since he was writing," she said, "scholars like Perkins-Valdez are exercising the very freedom to express uncomfortable and difficult opinions that Orwell explicitly championed."
    I wonder if a North Korean dissident who had the unlikely good fortune to be able to read 1984 would find the ethnic gaps a major obstacle.

    For me, I have read it precisely once, years ago, I would never read it again as what is important about it (as a novel I don't think it's all that good) is embedded in my heart and is irremovable.

    The Orwell novel I actually remember is 'A Clergyman's Daughter', which I loved and still do.
    Orwell is a fascinating writer, if you're a writer

    He was very skilful at lyrical prose as a young man: the compelling image, vivid similes, clever metaphors, he could do it all. eg About age 20 he described the flames of a hearth-fire as resembling "red holly" which is kinda genius

    But he renounced all that - his own talent - and decided to adopt the most plain prose style possible. He said prose should be like "a window pane", through which you can clearly perceive the meaning. Any adornment is a distraction. So he junked his own gifts

    And then wrote arguably the most important novel in the English language - 1984 - along with several other classics, Animal Farm, Down and Out, Homage to Catalonia. One wonders what he would have done if he hadn't died so young
    I'd add Coming up for Air to your list. A peon to England before they ruined it.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,609

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Interesting intro to the 75th year anniversary release of 1984.

    Reads a bit like a trigger warning.

    https://x.com/edwest/status/1932100076559884414?s=61

    Sounds like we should cancel 1984:

    Perkins-Valdez, a Black writer also noted the novel's lack of racial representation: "That sliver of connection can be difficult for someone like me to find in a novel that does not speak much to race and ethnicity at all."
    He literally says "for someone like me". He's not saying you can't read it; he's saying it doesn't connect with him. God forbid people should have opinions on books!
    She’s (I think) pretty stupid if she can’t understand what 1984 is all about simply because there’s no black characters in it.
    Her Foreword was accepted by the publishers. That's interesting in itself, since she seemingly can't find a way in to a novel which lacks her keywords.
    Her foreword if you read more about it is quite thoughtful and entirely in line with the kind of discussion that Orwell was absolutely in favour of.

    https://www.newsweek.com/new-1984-foreword-includes-warning-about-problematic-characters-2082192

    While the foreword has prompted the familiar battle lines playing out across the Trump-era culture wars, Beers sees the conversation itself as in keeping with Orwell's legacy.

    "By attempting to place Orwell's work in conversation with changing values and historical understandings in the decades since he was writing," she said, "scholars like Perkins-Valdez are exercising the very freedom to express uncomfortable and difficult opinions that Orwell explicitly championed."
    I wonder if a North Korean dissident who had the unlikely good fortune to be able to read 1984 would find the ethnic gaps a major obstacle.

    For me, I have read it precisely once, years ago, I would never read it again as what is important about it (as a novel I don't think it's all that good) is embedded in my heart and is irremovable.

    The Orwell novel I actually remember is 'A Clergyman's Daughter', which I loved and still do.
    Orwell is a fascinating writer, if you're a writer

    He was very skilful at lyrical prose as a young man: the compelling image, vivid similes, clever metaphors, he could do it all. eg About age 20 he described the flames of a hearth-fire as resembling "red holly" which is kinda genius

    But he renounced all that - his own talent - and decided to adopt the most plain prose style possible. He said prose should be like "a window pane", through which you can clearly perceive the meaning. Any adornment is a distraction. So he junked his own gifts

    And then wrote arguably the most important novel in the English language - 1984 - along with several other classics, Animal Farm, Down and Out, Homage to Catalonia. One wonders what he would have done if he hadn't died so young
    I'd add Coming up for Air to your list. A peon to England before they ruined it.
    Edited to acknowledge @Algakirk got there first.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 24,381
    Andy_JS said:

    Putting a trigger warning on 1984 by Orwell with no sense of irony?

    There is no irony in debating Orwell's work openly.

    That's absolutely what Orwell advocated for.

    Surreptitiously editing Orwell's works to change their meanings? That would be ironic.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,888

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Interesting intro to the 75th year anniversary release of 1984.

    Reads a bit like a trigger warning.

    https://x.com/edwest/status/1932100076559884414?s=61

    Sounds like we should cancel 1984:

    Perkins-Valdez, a Black writer also noted the novel's lack of racial representation: "That sliver of connection can be difficult for someone like me to find in a novel that does not speak much to race and ethnicity at all."
    He literally says "for someone like me". He's not saying you can't read it; he's saying it doesn't connect with him. God forbid people should have opinions on books!
    She’s (I think) pretty stupid if she can’t understand what 1984 is all about simply because there’s no black characters in it.
    Her Foreword was accepted by the publishers. That's interesting in itself, since she seemingly can't find a way in to a novel which lacks her keywords.
    Her foreword if you read more about it is quite thoughtful and entirely in line with the kind of discussion that Orwell was absolutely in favour of.

    https://www.newsweek.com/new-1984-foreword-includes-warning-about-problematic-characters-2082192

    While the foreword has prompted the familiar battle lines playing out across the Trump-era culture wars, Beers sees the conversation itself as in keeping with Orwell's legacy.

    "By attempting to place Orwell's work in conversation with changing values and historical understandings in the decades since he was writing," she said, "scholars like Perkins-Valdez are exercising the very freedom to express uncomfortable and difficult opinions that Orwell explicitly championed."
    I wonder if a North Korean dissident who had the unlikely good fortune to be able to read 1984 would find the ethnic gaps a major obstacle.

    For me, I have read it precisely once, years ago, I would never read it again as what is important about it (as a novel I don't think it's all that good) is embedded in my heart and is irremovable.

    The Orwell novel I actually remember is 'A Clergyman's Daughter', which I loved and still do.
    Orwell is a fascinating writer, if you're a writer

    He was very skilful at lyrical prose as a young man: the compelling image, vivid similes, clever metaphors, he could do it all. eg About age 20 he described the flames of a hearth-fire as resembling "red holly" which is kinda genius

    But he renounced all that - his own talent - and decided to adopt the most plain prose style possible. He said prose should be like "a window pane", through which you can clearly perceive the meaning. Any adornment is a distraction. So he junked his own gifts

    And then wrote arguably the most important novel in the English language - 1984 - along with several other classics, Animal Farm, Down and Out, Homage to Catalonia. One wonders what he would have done if he hadn't died so young
    I'd add Coming up for Air to your list. A peon to England before they ruined it.
    Ironically about the development and building of Surrey stockbroker belt and suburbia that we see as quintessentially English now.

    One thing that we can be sure of about Orwell is how much he hated fascism and it's fellow travellers.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,728
    @jimsciutto

    Breaking: HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr has dismissed all 17 members of an expert panel of vaccine advisors that has historically guided the federal government’s vaccine recommendations.

    https://x.com/jimsciutto/status/1932187790042935585
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,888
    edited June 9

    Andy_JS said:

    Putting a trigger warning on 1984 by Orwell with no sense of irony?

    There is no irony in debating Orwell's work openly.

    That's absolutely what Orwell advocated for.

    Surreptitiously editing Orwell's works to change their meanings? That would be ironic.
    The right, particularly the US right very often misrepresent Orwell.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,609
    edited June 9
    My bedtime reading will be Why Orwell is Important by much-missed Christopher Hitchens.

    Many early English novels had identifiably non-white characters (Robinson Crusoe, The Moonstone, arguably Wuthering Heights) and one wonders how many other Black characters may have been latent in the mind of the author. A popular paperback in the style of John Sutherland suggests itself. Was Mrs Bennet Black? What was Elizabeth's problem? being an obvious starting point.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,787
    Scott_xP said:

    @jimsciutto

    Breaking: HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr has dismissed all 17 members of an expert panel of vaccine advisors that has historically guided the federal government’s vaccine recommendations.

    https://x.com/jimsciutto/status/1932187790042935585

    Do we have vaccination entry requirements, I wonder?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,661
    What the frak is wrong with Apple?

    Almost zero upgrades in their latest "unveiling". Tiny, incremental changes. They are heading into the dangerzone, despite their wealth

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/09/apple-wwdc-new-phone-features
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,198

    biggles said:

    I’d take California into our Union if they asked nicely.

    "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and California" has a curiously interesting ring to it, like a stately home meeting Hollywood. Canada is surely the slightly more possible of the option, though.
    We've already got one:

    https://www.wokinghamremembers.com/2015/07/24/the-true-story-of-berkshires-california/

    (and as far as any one can tell, the UK version nicked its name from the American one, for once.)
    Belmont station on the Epsom Downs branch used to be called "California".
    I grew up a mile from California in Birmingham.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,456
    "Blood stocks are critically low

    We need your help now more than ever to keep providing lifesaving blood to the NHS. Please book an appointment in London, Bristol, Leeds, Birmingham, Manchester and other city centre locations. "

    https://www.blood.co.uk
  • MustaphaMondeoMustaphaMondeo Posts: 314
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Hard to argue with this


    "1️⃣ Sometimes I hate living in this country. I’m part of the generation whose university fees were tripled during austerity, while pensioners got the triple lock to protect their incomes.

    2️⃣ I spent 3 years of my 20s locked indoors during Covid, to “protect the NHS” but let’s be honest: it was mostly to protect older people who faced far higher mortality.

    3️⃣ Since then, living standards have collapsed, costs have soared, and older homeowners block new housing and infrastructure to protect the value of their assets leaving my generation locked out of home ownership and with soaring utilities bills.

    4️⃣ Meanwhile, taxes keep rising to fund handouts for pensioners with household incomes of £70,000 — far more than many people my age earn — and we get nothing.

    5️⃣ We’re spending £8 million a day housing and feeding illegal migrants, while my generation either lives with parents into our 30s or burns 50%+ of our income on rent.

    6️⃣ Today's pensioners are the wealthiest cohort in Britain, ever. Over their lifetimes, they’ll take £2–£3 in state benefits & services for every £1 they paid in tax, state pensions, NHS, free education, housing market gains, minimal pension contributions.

    7️⃣ It’s a complete pisstake.

    No wonder young people are leaving.

    We are treated with utter contempt compared to illegal arrivals and relatively wealthy retirees."

    https://x.com/albieamankona/status/1932072006444290069

    If it wasn't for the unpleasant and unnecessary racial dogwhistles that detract from the point, I would have liked that.
    1. There’s no racist dog whistles

    2. The guy that wrote the tweet is black

    Other than that, good point
    1. Point 5 and "We are treated with utter contempt compared to illegal arrivals" are racist dog whistles.

    We're treated with contempt compared to relatively wealthy retirees, absolutely, but not compared to asylum seekers who are forbidden to work and given a pittance to live on.

    2. Are =if you claiming black people can't be racist?
    Attitudes like yours - "shut up, you racist" - are precisely why Reform is leading the polls, and is gaining ground, every day, with younger Britons
    I never said shut up, but yes claiming to be treated worse than asylum seekers is an absurd falsehood/dog whistle.

    Would you like to be forbidden from working and obliged to live off £49.18 per week?

    I would not.

    I would not wish it on you.

    I would not wish it on anyone.

    There are ways to critique the system and the amount spent without resorting to such hyperbole.
    You absolutely accused him of being a racist. You said he used "an unpleasant and unnecessary racial dogwhistle", and you said for that reason you were going to ignore him. In short, you said "shut up, you racist"

    Do keep going, As things stand I want Reform to win the next election and people like you will deliver that
    I never said shut up, I am pro-free speech. Shut up is your words, not mine. I'm entirely comfortable with people I disagree with expressing their opinion.

    I have said what I think was an unpleasant dog whistle and why. That's my free speech.
    It is. And I heartily applaud. Because British people are really tired of being called "racist" for offering the slightest complaint about migration, and the accusation is, I now think, actually counter productive. Driving people to Reform. So, more please
    Complain about migration all you like. I've had many a thoughtful debate on that with people here without saying anyone was making absurd racial dog whistles.

    Complaining that you're treated worse than someone forbidden from working and obliged to live off £49.18 is absurd an absurd racial dog
    whistle though.

    Unless for some reason you are prohibited from working and have less than £49 a week to live off, including for food?
    Just keep calling him a racist, is all I ask. It shouldn't be hard for you, because you absolutely LOVE to do Woke virtue signalling, don't you?
    Bart is right. It’s nowt to do with woke, the original
    list is a nasty bit of work. insidious. Linking real issues and slipping in a dose of victim blaming.

    You are literate. And presumably reasonably informed on the drivers of asylum seeking.

    Argument 3/10
    Supporting visceral propaganda 7/10


  • TazTaz Posts: 18,774

    biggles said:

    I’d take California into our Union if they asked nicely.

    "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and California" has a curiously interesting ring to it, like a stately home meeting Hollywood. Canada is surely the slightly more possible of the option, though.
    We've already got one:

    https://www.wokinghamremembers.com/2015/07/24/the-true-story-of-berkshires-california/

    (and as far as any one can tell, the UK version nicked its name from the American one, for once.)
    Belmont station on the Epsom Downs branch used to be called "California".
    I grew up a mile from California in Birmingham.
    I want too far from Hollywood growing up.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,501
    Leon said:

    What the frak is wrong with Apple?

    Almost zero upgrades in their latest "unveiling". Tiny, incremental changes. They are heading into the dangerzone, despite their wealth

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/09/apple-wwdc-new-phone-features

    You’ll now know how long it’ll take your phone to charge!

    Definitely BlackBerry vibes now.
  • Alphabet_SoupAlphabet_Soup Posts: 3,609
    edited June 9
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Interesting intro to the 75th year anniversary release of 1984.

    Reads a bit like a trigger warning.

    https://x.com/edwest/status/1932100076559884414?s=61

    Sounds like we should cancel 1984:

    Perkins-Valdez, a Black writer also noted the novel's lack of racial representation: "That sliver of connection can be difficult for someone like me to find in a novel that does not speak much to race and ethnicity at all."
    He literally says "for someone like me". He's not saying you can't read it; he's saying it doesn't connect with him. God forbid people should have opinions on books!
    She’s (I think) pretty stupid if she can’t understand what 1984 is all about simply because there’s no black characters in it.
    Her Foreword was accepted by the publishers. That's interesting in itself, since she seemingly can't find a way in to a novel which lacks her keywords.
    Her foreword if you read more about it is quite thoughtful and entirely in line with the kind of discussion that Orwell was absolutely in favour of.

    https://www.newsweek.com/new-1984-foreword-includes-warning-about-problematic-characters-2082192

    While the foreword has prompted the familiar battle lines playing out across the Trump-era culture wars, Beers sees the conversation itself as in keeping with Orwell's legacy.

    "By attempting to place Orwell's work in conversation with changing values and historical understandings in the decades since he was writing," she said, "scholars like Perkins-Valdez are exercising the very freedom to express uncomfortable and difficult opinions that Orwell explicitly championed."
    I wonder if a North Korean dissident who had the unlikely good fortune to be able to read 1984 would find the ethnic gaps a major obstacle.

    For me, I have read it precisely once, years ago, I would never read it again as what is important about it (as a novel I don't think it's all that good) is embedded in my heart and is irremovable.

    The Orwell novel I actually remember is 'A Clergyman's Daughter', which I loved and still do.
    Orwell is a fascinating writer, if you're a writer

    He was very skilful at lyrical prose as a young man: the compelling image, vivid similes, clever metaphors, he could do it all. eg About age 20 he described the flames of a hearth-fire as resembling "red holly" which is kinda genius

    But he renounced all that - his own talent - and decided to adopt the most plain prose style possible. He said prose should be like "a window pane", through which you can clearly perceive the meaning. Any adornment is a distraction. So he junked his own gifts

    And then wrote arguably the most important novel in the English language - 1984 - along with several other classics, Animal Farm, Down and Out, Homage to Catalonia. One wonders what he would have done if he hadn't died so young
    I'd add Coming up for Air to your list. A peon to England before they ruined it.
    Ironically about the development and building of Surrey stockbroker belt and suburbia that we see as quintessentially English now.

    One thing that we can be sure of about Orwell is how much he hated fascism and it's fellow travellers.
    To Orwell Fascism (and Communism) represented Modernity in all its manifold ugliness. He was averse to change. He worshipped an English idyll that had achieved perfection during his childhood and he clung to the memory long after it had disappeared. He suffered from the same pessimism many of us do today: that the past was better and the future will be worse.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,888
    edited June 9

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Interesting intro to the 75th year anniversary release of 1984.

    Reads a bit like a trigger warning.

    https://x.com/edwest/status/1932100076559884414?s=61

    Sounds like we should cancel 1984:

    Perkins-Valdez, a Black writer also noted the novel's lack of racial representation: "That sliver of connection can be difficult for someone like me to find in a novel that does not speak much to race and ethnicity at all."
    He literally says "for someone like me". He's not saying you can't read it; he's saying it doesn't connect with him. God forbid people should have opinions on books!
    She’s (I think) pretty stupid if she can’t understand what 1984 is all about simply because there’s no black characters in it.
    Her Foreword was accepted by the publishers. That's interesting in itself, since she seemingly can't find a way in to a novel which lacks her keywords.
    Her foreword if you read more about it is quite thoughtful and entirely in line with the kind of discussion that Orwell was absolutely in favour of.

    https://www.newsweek.com/new-1984-foreword-includes-warning-about-problematic-characters-2082192

    While the foreword has prompted the familiar battle lines playing out across the Trump-era culture wars, Beers sees the conversation itself as in keeping with Orwell's legacy.

    "By attempting to place Orwell's work in conversation with changing values and historical understandings in the decades since he was writing," she said, "scholars like Perkins-Valdez are exercising the very freedom to express uncomfortable and difficult opinions that Orwell explicitly championed."
    I wonder if a North Korean dissident who had the unlikely good fortune to be able to read 1984 would find the ethnic gaps a major obstacle.

    For me, I have read it precisely once, years ago, I would never read it again as what is important about it (as a novel I don't think it's all that good) is embedded in my heart and is irremovable.

    The Orwell novel I actually remember is 'A Clergyman's Daughter', which I loved and still do.
    Orwell is a fascinating writer, if you're a writer

    He was very skilful at lyrical prose as a young man: the compelling image, vivid similes, clever metaphors, he could do it all. eg About age 20 he described the flames of a hearth-fire as resembling "red holly" which is kinda genius

    But he renounced all that - his own talent - and decided to adopt the most plain prose style possible. He said prose should be like "a window pane", through which you can clearly perceive the meaning. Any adornment is a distraction. So he junked his own gifts

    And then wrote arguably the most important novel in the English language - 1984 - along with several other classics, Animal Farm, Down and Out, Homage to Catalonia. One wonders what he would have done if he hadn't died so young
    I'd add Coming up for Air to your list. A peon to England before they ruined it.
    Ironically about the development and building of Surrey stockbroker belt and suburbia that we see as quintessentially English now.

    One thing that we can be sure of about Orwell is how much he hated fascism and it's fellow travellers.
    To Orwell Fascism (and Communism) represented Modernity in all its manifold ugliness. He was averse to change. He worshipped an English idyll that had achieved perfection during his childhood and he clung to the memory long after it had disappeared. He suffered from the same pessimism many of us do today: that the past was better and the future is worse.
    It is the Engish axiom: All change is for the worse.

    He also loved the carefree days of revolutionary Catalonia too. It was Stalinism that he disagreed with.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,055
    Taz said:

    biggles said:

    I’d take California into our Union if they asked nicely.

    "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and California" has a curiously interesting ring to it, like a stately home meeting Hollywood. Canada is surely the slightly more possible of the option, though.
    We've already got one:

    https://www.wokinghamremembers.com/2015/07/24/the-true-story-of-berkshires-california/

    (and as far as any one can tell, the UK version nicked its name from the American one, for once.)
    Belmont station on the Epsom Downs branch used to be called "California".
    I grew up a mile from California in Birmingham.
    I want too far from Hollywood growing up.
    In Devon, I'm not too far from California Cross.

    Cross? It's bloody livid...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,661
    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    What the frak is wrong with Apple?

    Almost zero upgrades in their latest "unveiling". Tiny, incremental changes. They are heading into the dangerzone, despite their wealth

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/09/apple-wwdc-new-phone-features

    You’ll now know how long it’ll take your phone to charge!

    Definitely BlackBerry vibes now.
    It is quite peculiar. They have so much money, but what are they doing with it? As far as I can see, zero in the last few years, even as their rivals race ahead

    Who knows, tho. About a year ago I thought Google had lost it, then suddenly Wham, they revealed all the New Stuff. Incredible. And now they are right at the front of the pack. So maybe Apple have something quietly brewing, in the same way...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,590
    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    What the frak is wrong with Apple?

    Almost zero upgrades in their latest "unveiling". Tiny, incremental changes. They are heading into the dangerzone, despite their wealth

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/09/apple-wwdc-new-phone-features

    You’ll now know how long it’ll take your phone to charge!

    Definitely BlackBerry vibes now.
    The new UI seems uglier too. It reminds me of Windows Vista.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,449
    Leon said:

    What the frak

    Battlestar Galactica.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,198
    CNN: "Defence department lawyers are looking at the rules of engagement of the marines being deployed in LA"

    These will be the lawyers who replaced the ones sacked on day one of Hegseth reign because...reasons...
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,258
    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Interesting intro to the 75th year anniversary release of 1984.

    Reads a bit like a trigger warning.

    https://x.com/edwest/status/1932100076559884414?s=61

    Sounds like we should cancel 1984:

    Perkins-Valdez, a Black writer also noted the novel's lack of racial representation: "That sliver of connection can be difficult for someone like me to find in a novel that does not speak much to race and ethnicity at all."
    He literally says "for someone like me". He's not saying you can't read it; he's saying it doesn't connect with him. God forbid people should have opinions on books!
    She’s (I think) pretty stupid if she can’t understand what 1984 is all about simply because there’s no black characters in it.
    Her Foreword was accepted by the publishers. That's interesting in itself, since she seemingly can't find a way in to a novel which lacks her keywords.
    Her foreword if you read more about it is quite thoughtful and entirely in line with the kind of discussion that Orwell was absolutely in favour of.

    https://www.newsweek.com/new-1984-foreword-includes-warning-about-problematic-characters-2082192

    While the foreword has prompted the familiar battle lines playing out across the Trump-era culture wars, Beers sees the conversation itself as in keeping with Orwell's legacy.

    "By attempting to place Orwell's work in conversation with changing values and historical understandings in the decades since he was writing," she said, "scholars like Perkins-Valdez are exercising the very freedom to express uncomfortable and difficult opinions that Orwell explicitly championed."
    I wonder if a North Korean dissident who had the unlikely good fortune to be able to read 1984 would find the ethnic gaps a major obstacle.

    For me, I have read it precisely once, years ago, I would never read it again as what is important about it (as a novel I don't think it's all that good) is embedded in my heart and is irremovable.

    The Orwell novel I actually remember is 'A Clergyman's Daughter', which I loved and still do.
    Orwell is a fascinating writer, if you're a writer

    He was very skilful at lyrical prose as a young man: the compelling image, vivid similes, clever metaphors, he could do it all. eg About age 20 he described the flames of a hearth-fire as resembling "red holly" which is kinda genius

    But he renounced all that - his own talent - and decided to adopt the most plain prose style possible. He said prose should be like "a window pane", through which you can clearly perceive the meaning. Any adornment is a distraction. So he junked his own gifts

    And then wrote arguably the most important novel in the English language - 1984 - along with several other classics, Animal Farm, Down and Out, Homage to Catalonia. One wonders what he would have done if he hadn't died so young
    I'd add Coming up for Air to your list. A peon to England before they ruined it.
    Ironically about the development and building of Surrey stockbroker belt and suburbia that we see as quintessentially English now.

    One thing that we can be sure of about Orwell is how much he hated fascism and it's fellow travellers.
    One of the things we can be sure about Orwell is that actually, Orwell agreed with whoever is making the point about Orwell.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,888
    Taz said:

    biggles said:

    I’d take California into our Union if they asked nicely.

    "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and California" has a curiously interesting ring to it, like a stately home meeting Hollywood. Canada is surely the slightly more possible of the option, though.
    We've already got one:

    https://www.wokinghamremembers.com/2015/07/24/the-true-story-of-berkshires-california/

    (and as far as any one can tell, the UK version nicked its name from the American one, for once.)
    Belmont station on the Epsom Downs branch used to be called "California".
    I grew up a mile from California in Birmingham.
    I want too far from Hollywood growing up.
    My folks live near Canada Common in Hampshire.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,055
    Scott_xP said:

    @jimsciutto

    Breaking: HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr has dismissed all 17 members of an expert panel of vaccine advisors that has historically guided the federal government’s vaccine recommendations.

    https://x.com/jimsciutto/status/1932187790042935585

    A solution to the world's ills:

    1. Kennedy overseas a plague ripping across the US that wipes out the entire population.

    2 The world's asylum seekers go there to repopulate it.

    3. What was Florida gets renamed Palestine.

    4. What was California gets renamed Israel.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,590

    CNN: "Defence department lawyers are looking at the rules of engagement of the marines being deployed in LA"

    These will be the lawyers who replaced the ones sacked on day one of Hegseth reign because...reasons...

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1932148263253401849

    "If they spit, we will hit." This is a statement from the President of the United States concerning the catastrophic Gavin Newscum inspired Riots going on in Los Angeles. The Insurrectionists have a tendency to spit in the face of the National Guardsmen/women, and others. These Patriots are told to accept this, it's just the way life runs. But not in the Trump Administration. IF THEY SPIT, WE WILL HIT, and I promise you they will be hit harder than they have ever been hit before. Such disrespect will not be tolerated!
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,626

    Leon said:

    What the frak

    Battlestar Galactica.
    Battlestar Galactica is about AI turning on us. Leon is thus not allowed to talk about it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,888
    Cookie said:

    Foxy said:

    Leon said:

    algarkirk said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Taz said:

    Interesting intro to the 75th year anniversary release of 1984.

    Reads a bit like a trigger warning.

    https://x.com/edwest/status/1932100076559884414?s=61

    Sounds like we should cancel 1984:

    Perkins-Valdez, a Black writer also noted the novel's lack of racial representation: "That sliver of connection can be difficult for someone like me to find in a novel that does not speak much to race and ethnicity at all."
    He literally says "for someone like me". He's not saying you can't read it; he's saying it doesn't connect with him. God forbid people should have opinions on books!
    She’s (I think) pretty stupid if she can’t understand what 1984 is all about simply because there’s no black characters in it.
    Her Foreword was accepted by the publishers. That's interesting in itself, since she seemingly can't find a way in to a novel which lacks her keywords.
    Her foreword if you read more about it is quite thoughtful and entirely in line with the kind of discussion that Orwell was absolutely in favour of.

    https://www.newsweek.com/new-1984-foreword-includes-warning-about-problematic-characters-2082192

    While the foreword has prompted the familiar battle lines playing out across the Trump-era culture wars, Beers sees the conversation itself as in keeping with Orwell's legacy.

    "By attempting to place Orwell's work in conversation with changing values and historical understandings in the decades since he was writing," she said, "scholars like Perkins-Valdez are exercising the very freedom to express uncomfortable and difficult opinions that Orwell explicitly championed."
    I wonder if a North Korean dissident who had the unlikely good fortune to be able to read 1984 would find the ethnic gaps a major obstacle.

    For me, I have read it precisely once, years ago, I would never read it again as what is important about it (as a novel I don't think it's all that good) is embedded in my heart and is irremovable.

    The Orwell novel I actually remember is 'A Clergyman's Daughter', which I loved and still do.
    Orwell is a fascinating writer, if you're a writer

    He was very skilful at lyrical prose as a young man: the compelling image, vivid similes, clever metaphors, he could do it all. eg About age 20 he described the flames of a hearth-fire as resembling "red holly" which is kinda genius

    But he renounced all that - his own talent - and decided to adopt the most plain prose style possible. He said prose should be like "a window pane", through which you can clearly perceive the meaning. Any adornment is a distraction. So he junked his own gifts

    And then wrote arguably the most important novel in the English language - 1984 - along with several other classics, Animal Farm, Down and Out, Homage to Catalonia. One wonders what he would have done if he hadn't died so young
    I'd add Coming up for Air to your list. A peon to England before they ruined it.
    Ironically about the development and building of Surrey stockbroker belt and suburbia that we see as quintessentially English now.

    One thing that we can be sure of about Orwell is how much he hated fascism and it's fellow travellers.
    One of the things we can be sure about Orwell is that actually, Orwell agreed with whoever is making the point about Orwell.
    I don't think that true.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,123
    Leon said:

    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    What the frak is wrong with Apple?

    Almost zero upgrades in their latest "unveiling". Tiny, incremental changes. They are heading into the dangerzone, despite their wealth

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/09/apple-wwdc-new-phone-features

    You’ll now know how long it’ll take your phone to charge!

    Definitely BlackBerry vibes now.
    It is quite peculiar. They have so much money, but what are they doing with it? As far as I can see, zero in the last few years, even as their rivals race ahead

    Who knows, tho. About a year ago I thought Google had lost it, then suddenly Wham, they revealed all the New Stuff. Incredible. And now they are right at the front of the pack. So maybe Apple have something quietly brewing, in the same way...
    I've heard that Apple are not happy with their internal AI development and are not far off junking it all and licencing Gemini from Google with a Siri interface. Google and Anthropic are just too far ahead and Apple are said to prefer Gemini because it has a much stricter guard rail than Claude and ChatGPT.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,882
    Leon said:

    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    What the frak is wrong with Apple?

    Almost zero upgrades in their latest "unveiling". Tiny, incremental changes. They are heading into the dangerzone, despite their wealth

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/09/apple-wwdc-new-phone-features

    You’ll now know how long it’ll take your phone to charge!

    Definitely BlackBerry vibes now.
    It is quite peculiar. They have so much money, but what are they doing with it? As far as I can see, zero in the last few years, even as their rivals race ahead

    Who knows, tho. About a year ago I thought Google had lost it, then suddenly Wham, they revealed all the New Stuff. Incredible. And now they are right at the front of the pack. So maybe Apple have something quietly brewing, in the same way...
    Given how many times the C-level Anthopic exec's have refused to comment on Claude being the new Siri - I was quite surprised the main announcements were new emoji and... some other sh*t I don't care about.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,762
    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    A brilliant writer. A superb journalist. A right wing lunatic. But nobody is perfect.

    Who are we talking about?
    Frederick Forsyth.

    Not Leon, don't worry.
    Very much "Freddie" at the club.

    But let's not be like that. RIP. Loved "the day of".

    God you so wanted him to succeed after all that incredibly dedicated and cunning prep.
    "...Don't be fooled by the rocks that he got
    He's still "Freddie" at the club..."


    He did some out-and-out classics (The Day of the Jackal, The Odessa File) but I think his later stuff was workmanlike (I enjoyed The Devil's Alternative). I though Len Deighton was perhaps better overall?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,762
    edited June 9

    Serious development with Rachel Reeves this evening.
    Rachel Reeves has gone from a fringe to bangs.

    Let’s deal with the facts -
    “A fringe is often more defined and makes a bold statement, while bangs offer a softer, more versatile look that can be adapted to suit.”

    Isn't "bangs" just the American word for "a fringe"?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,123
    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    What the frak is wrong with Apple?

    Almost zero upgrades in their latest "unveiling". Tiny, incremental changes. They are heading into the dangerzone, despite their wealth

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/09/apple-wwdc-new-phone-features

    You’ll now know how long it’ll take your phone to charge!

    Definitely BlackBerry vibes now.
    It is quite peculiar. They have so much money, but what are they doing with it? As far as I can see, zero in the last few years, even as their rivals race ahead

    Who knows, tho. About a year ago I thought Google had lost it, then suddenly Wham, they revealed all the New Stuff. Incredible. And now they are right at the front of the pack. So maybe Apple have something quietly brewing, in the same way...
    Given how many times the C-level Anthopic exec's have refused to comment on Claude being the new Siri - I was quite surprised the main announcements were new emoji and... some other sh*t I don't care about.
    I'd be surprised if it was Claude. Apple already has an existing and pretty deep relationship with Google, they can barter away the default search engine rights to get a big discount for Gemini and Gemini is a lot more woke than Claude which I think will be more in line with Apple's external brand and internal politics.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,307

    CNN: "Defence department lawyers are looking at the rules of engagement of the marines being deployed in LA"

    These will be the lawyers who replaced the ones sacked on day one of Hegseth reign because...reasons...

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1932148263253401849

    "If they spit, we will hit." This is a statement from the President of the United States concerning the catastrophic Gavin Newscum inspired Riots going on in Los Angeles. The Insurrectionists have a tendency to spit in the face of the National Guardsmen/women, and others. These Patriots are told to accept this, it's just the way life runs. But not in the Trump Administration. IF THEY SPIT, WE WILL HIT, and I promise you they will be hit harder than they have ever been hit before. Such disrespect will not be tolerated!
    I don’t like spitting.

    Unless during sex.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 32,222

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Hard to argue with this


    "1️⃣ Sometimes I hate living in this country. I’m part of the generation whose university fees were tripled during austerity, while pensioners got the triple lock to protect their incomes.

    2️⃣ I spent 3 years of my 20s locked indoors during Covid, to “protect the NHS” but let’s be honest: it was mostly to protect older people who faced far higher mortality.

    3️⃣ Since then, living standards have collapsed, costs have soared, and older homeowners block new housing and infrastructure to protect the value of their assets leaving my generation locked out of home ownership and with soaring utilities bills.

    4️⃣ Meanwhile, taxes keep rising to fund handouts for pensioners with household incomes of £70,000 — far more than many people my age earn — and we get nothing.

    5️⃣ We’re spending £8 million a day housing and feeding illegal migrants, while my generation either lives with parents into our 30s or burns 50%+ of our income on rent.

    6️⃣ Today's pensioners are the wealthiest cohort in Britain, ever. Over their lifetimes, they’ll take £2–£3 in state benefits & services for every £1 they paid in tax, state pensions, NHS, free education, housing market gains, minimal pension contributions.

    7️⃣ It’s a complete pisstake.

    No wonder young people are leaving.

    We are treated with utter contempt compared to illegal arrivals and relatively wealthy retirees."

    https://x.com/albieamankona/status/1932072006444290069

    If it wasn't for the unpleasant and unnecessary racial dogwhistles that detract from the point, I would have liked that.
    1. There’s no racist dog whistles

    2. The guy that wrote the tweet is black

    Other than that, good point
    1. Point 5 and "We are treated with utter contempt compared to illegal arrivals" are racist dog whistles.

    We're treated with contempt compared to relatively wealthy retirees, absolutely, but not compared to asylum seekers who are forbidden to work and given a pittance to live on.

    2. Are you claiming black people can't be racist?
    Attitudes like yours - "shut up, you racist" - are precisely why Reform is leading the polls, and is gaining ground, every day, with younger Britons
    I never said shut up, but yes claiming to be treated worse than asylum seekers is an absurd falsehood/dog whistle.

    Would you like to be forbidden from working and obliged to live off £49.18 per week?

    I would not.

    I would not wish it on you.

    I would not wish it on anyone.

    There are ways to critique the system and the amount spent without resorting to such hyperbole.
    Are you new to this site? You are responding to a Leon post. Hyperbole comes free of charge.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,661
    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    What the frak is wrong with Apple?

    Almost zero upgrades in their latest "unveiling". Tiny, incremental changes. They are heading into the dangerzone, despite their wealth

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/09/apple-wwdc-new-phone-features

    You’ll now know how long it’ll take your phone to charge!

    Definitely BlackBerry vibes now.
    It is quite peculiar. They have so much money, but what are they doing with it? As far as I can see, zero in the last few years, even as their rivals race ahead

    Who knows, tho. About a year ago I thought Google had lost it, then suddenly Wham, they revealed all the New Stuff. Incredible. And now they are right at the front of the pack. So maybe Apple have something quietly brewing, in the same way...
    Given how many times the C-level Anthopic exec's have refused to comment on Claude being the new Siri - I was quite surprised the main announcements were new emoji and... some other sh*t I don't care about.
    It's very dull. And my God I hate what they have done to Apple Photos. You used to be able to search via Location. I think you still can but it is hidden away so deep I constantly forget the intricate method. And all the albums are now mad. Why? Why do that? How does anyone gain from making photos so much harder to find, sort, sift, recall?

    That one "upgrade" by itself inclines me to loathe Apple. So if they become the next Nokia, frak 'em
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,888
    viewcode said:

    Serious development with Rachel Reeves this evening.
    Rachel Reeves has gone from a fringe to bangs.

    Let’s deal with the facts -
    “A fringe is often more defined and makes a bold statement, while bangs offer a softer, more versatile look that can be adapted to suit.”

    Isn't "bangs" just the American word for "a fringe"
    Longer, with a centre parting.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,449

    CNN: "Defence department lawyers are looking at the rules of engagement of the marines being deployed in LA"

    These will be the lawyers who replaced the ones sacked on day one of Hegseth reign because...reasons...

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1932148263253401849

    "If they spit, we will hit." This is a statement from the President of the United States concerning the catastrophic Gavin Newscum inspired Riots going on in Los Angeles. The Insurrectionists have a tendency to spit in the face of the National Guardsmen/women, and others. These Patriots are told to accept this, it's just the way life runs. But not in the Trump Administration. IF THEY SPIT, WE WILL HIT, and I promise you they will be hit harder than they have ever been hit before. Such disrespect will not be tolerated!
    I don’t like spitting.

    Unless during sex.
    Bad girls spit, good girls sw...
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,882
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Putting a trigger warning on 1984 by Orwell with no sense of irony?

    There is no irony in debating Orwell's work openly.

    That's absolutely what Orwell advocated for.

    Surreptitiously editing Orwell's works to change their meanings? That would be ironic.
    The right, particularly the US right very often misrepresent Orwell.
    But surely Orwell was very pro Califonian venture capitalists and very much in line with both Stoicism and Atlas Shrugged. How could that possibly be misrepresented? He hated the equality he encountered in Catalonia.

    If I'm reading my YC-funded retelling of Animal Farm right?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,882
    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    What the frak is wrong with Apple?

    Almost zero upgrades in their latest "unveiling". Tiny, incremental changes. They are heading into the dangerzone, despite their wealth

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/09/apple-wwdc-new-phone-features

    You’ll now know how long it’ll take your phone to charge!

    Definitely BlackBerry vibes now.
    It is quite peculiar. They have so much money, but what are they doing with it? As far as I can see, zero in the last few years, even as their rivals race ahead

    Who knows, tho. About a year ago I thought Google had lost it, then suddenly Wham, they revealed all the New Stuff. Incredible. And now they are right at the front of the pack. So maybe Apple have something quietly brewing, in the same way...
    Given how many times the C-level Anthopic exec's have refused to comment on Claude being the new Siri - I was quite surprised the main announcements were new emoji and... some other sh*t I don't care about.
    It's very dull. And my God I hate what they have done to Apple Photos. You used to be able to search via Location. I think you still can but it is hidden away so deep I constantly forget the intricate method. And all the albums are now mad. Why? Why do that? How does anyone gain from making photos so much harder to find, sort, sift, recall?

    That one "upgrade" by itself inclines me to loathe Apple. So if they become the next Nokia, frak 'em
    I was getting my boiler replaced the other week - and was asked to take various pictures of the front/case/pipes. And I 100% did not resent having to spend time googling about trying to figure out how to force the flash to fire when taking a picture in the current iOS. 'Open the camera app, then swipe this way, then that, then - if you're on iOS vX swipe like that and you'll see the option to...., but if you're on iIOS vY then .....'
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 4,882
    viewcode said:

    Serious development with Rachel Reeves this evening.
    Rachel Reeves has gone from a fringe to bangs.

    Let’s deal with the facts -
    “A fringe is often more defined and makes a bold statement, while bangs offer a softer, more versatile look that can be adapted to suit.”

    Isn't "bangs" just the American word for "a fringe"?
    I'm now convinced that 'Farage' is a deliberate acronym.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,456
    edited June 9
    Apple Photos is more difficult to use today than it was 10 years ago. Not joking. (The name might have changed but the program that did the same thing).
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,449
    Things kicking off in Ballymena

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg4v04p008o

    There has been disorder in Ballymena after crowds gathered near the location of an alleged sexual assault in the town.

    Youths with their faces masked and wearing gloves could be seen throwing masonry.

    A police car had what appeared to be two of its windows smashed.

    On Clonavon Terrace, which was blocked off on both ends by police Land Rovers, windows of a house had been smashed.

    In a statement, the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) said a "number of missiles have been thrown towards police with damage reported to a number of properties".
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,661
    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    What the frak is wrong with Apple?

    Almost zero upgrades in their latest "unveiling". Tiny, incremental changes. They are heading into the dangerzone, despite their wealth

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/09/apple-wwdc-new-phone-features

    You’ll now know how long it’ll take your phone to charge!

    Definitely BlackBerry vibes now.
    It is quite peculiar. They have so much money, but what are they doing with it? As far as I can see, zero in the last few years, even as their rivals race ahead

    Who knows, tho. About a year ago I thought Google had lost it, then suddenly Wham, they revealed all the New Stuff. Incredible. And now they are right at the front of the pack. So maybe Apple have something quietly brewing, in the same way...
    Given how many times the C-level Anthopic exec's have refused to comment on Claude being the new Siri - I was quite surprised the main announcements were new emoji and... some other sh*t I don't care about.
    It's very dull. And my God I hate what they have done to Apple Photos. You used to be able to search via Location. I think you still can but it is hidden away so deep I constantly forget the intricate method. And all the albums are now mad. Why? Why do that? How does anyone gain from making photos so much harder to find, sort, sift, recall?

    That one "upgrade" by itself inclines me to loathe Apple. So if they become the next Nokia, frak 'em
    I was getting my boiler replaced the other week - and was asked to take various pictures of the front/case/pipes. And I 100% did not resent having to spend time googling about trying to figure out how to force the flash to fire when taking a picture in the current iOS. 'Open the camera app, then swipe this way, then that, then - if you're on iOS vX swipe like that and you'll see the option to...., but if you're on iIOS vY then .....'
    Omg the flash! Yes!

    Literally everything is worse than it was, photographically. From the camera onwards

    If they weren’t so obviously busy destroying Britain, I would have a strong suspicion that Apple have installed Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves as joint CEOs
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,456
    The Ritz, London has been voted the best restaurant in the UK. Anyone been there?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/features/best-uk-restaurants-national-awards/
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,307
    Scott_xP said:

    Taz said:

    Have you seen his feed.

    The feed of clips of Trump saying insane shit on live TV

    Yes
    Trump is not just backed by Americans by winning their approval on this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX2EPoYS2VQ

    but has everyone noticed how unlike previous recent presidents, whose satisfaction went down, Trump bucks the trend by going up and up.

    This Trump presidency just gets more and more popular with the voters. It’s installing MAGA as the default winning position in US electoral politics.

    https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 14,307
    viewcode said:

    Serious development with Rachel Reeves this evening.
    Rachel Reeves has gone from a fringe to bangs.

    Let’s deal with the facts -
    “A fringe is often more defined and makes a bold statement, while bangs offer a softer, more versatile look that can be adapted to suit.”

    Isn't "bangs" just the American word for "a fringe"?
    No.

    A fringe is more defined and makes a bold statement, bangs are the softer and more versatile look, more adaptable to suit.
  • TresTres Posts: 2,864

    Taz said:

    Interesting intro to the 75th year anniversary release of 1984.

    Reads a bit like a trigger warning.

    https://x.com/edwest/status/1932100076559884414?s=61

    Sounds like we should cancel 1984:

    Perkins-Valdez, a Black writer also noted the novel's lack of racial representation: "That sliver of connection can be difficult for someone like me to find in a novel that does not speak much to race and ethnicity at all."
    He literally says "for someone like me". He's not saying you can't read it; he's saying it doesn't connect with him. God forbid people should have opinions on books!
    black people voicing opinions leads to fragile whiteys voting for trump or something. therefore black people should shut up. Am i doing this right?
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 40,123
    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    What the frak is wrong with Apple?

    Almost zero upgrades in their latest "unveiling". Tiny, incremental changes. They are heading into the dangerzone, despite their wealth

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/09/apple-wwdc-new-phone-features

    You’ll now know how long it’ll take your phone to charge!

    Definitely BlackBerry vibes now.
    It is quite peculiar. They have so much money, but what are they doing with it? As far as I can see, zero in the last few years, even as their rivals race ahead

    Who knows, tho. About a year ago I thought Google had lost it, then suddenly Wham, they revealed all the New Stuff. Incredible. And now they are right at the front of the pack. So maybe Apple have something quietly brewing, in the same way...
    Given how many times the C-level Anthopic exec's have refused to comment on Claude being the new Siri - I was quite surprised the main announcements were new emoji and... some other sh*t I don't care about.
    It's very dull. And my God I hate what they have done to Apple Photos. You used to be able to search via Location. I think you still can but it is hidden away so deep I constantly forget the intricate method. And all the albums are now mad. Why? Why do that? How does anyone gain from making photos so much harder to find, sort, sift, recall?

    That one "upgrade" by itself inclines me to loathe Apple. So if they become the next Nokia, frak 'em
    I was getting my boiler replaced the other week - and was asked to take various pictures of the front/case/pipes. And I 100% did not resent having to spend time googling about trying to figure out how to force the flash to fire when taking a picture in the current iOS. 'Open the camera app, then swipe this way, then that, then - if you're on iOS vX swipe like that and you'll see the option to...., but if you're on iIOS vY then .....'
    Omg the flash! Yes!

    Literally everything is worse than it was, photographically. From the camera onwards

    If they weren’t so obviously busy destroying Britain, I would have a strong suspicion that Apple have installed Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves as joint CEOs
    Apple is seriously missing someone with real vision at the top. Tim Cook is a glorified bean counter and ever since Jony Ive left there's been no one to guide the company vision and the why behind what they do. The vision pro is a good example of a product Steve Jobs would never have released.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,590

    viewcode said:

    Serious development with Rachel Reeves this evening.
    Rachel Reeves has gone from a fringe to bangs.

    Let’s deal with the facts -
    “A fringe is often more defined and makes a bold statement, while bangs offer a softer, more versatile look that can be adapted to suit.”

    Isn't "bangs" just the American word for "a fringe"?
    No.

    A fringe is more defined and makes a bold statement, bangs are the softer and more versatile look, more adaptable to suit.
    But in the US they're all called bangs. See this example:

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/v_Ra4yJrlUo
  • LeonLeon Posts: 61,661
    Andy_JS said:

    Apple Photos is more difficult to use today than it was 10 years ago. Not joking. (The name might have changed but the program that did the same thing).

    Yes. It’s appallingly bad
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,198

    Things kicking off in Ballymena

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg4v04p008o

    There has been disorder in Ballymena after crowds gathered near the location of an alleged sexual assault in the town.

    Youths with their faces masked and wearing gloves could be seen throwing masonry.

    A police car had what appeared to be two of its windows smashed.

    On Clonavon Terrace, which was blocked off on both ends by police Land Rovers, windows of a house had been smashed.

    In a statement, the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) said a "number of missiles have been thrown towards police with damage reported to a number of properties".

    Send in the Marines.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,243
    edited June 9
    MaxPB said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    What the frak is wrong with Apple?

    Almost zero upgrades in their latest "unveiling". Tiny, incremental changes. They are heading into the dangerzone, despite their wealth

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/09/apple-wwdc-new-phone-features

    You’ll now know how long it’ll take your phone to charge!

    Definitely BlackBerry vibes now.
    It is quite peculiar. They have so much money, but what are they doing with it? As far as I can see, zero in the last few years, even as their rivals race ahead

    Who knows, tho. About a year ago I thought Google had lost it, then suddenly Wham, they revealed all the New Stuff. Incredible. And now they are right at the front of the pack. So maybe Apple have something quietly brewing, in the same way...
    Given how many times the C-level Anthopic exec's have refused to comment on Claude being the new Siri - I was quite surprised the main announcements were new emoji and... some other sh*t I don't care about.
    I'd be surprised if it was Claude. Apple already has an existing and pretty deep relationship with Google, they can barter away the default search engine rights to get a big discount for Gemini and Gemini is a lot more woke than Claude which I think will be more in line with Apple's external brand and internal politics.
    Historically Apple have been happy being late on things if they can introduce something which works reliably and brand it so as to claim they invented it.

    I suspect AI has caught them on the hop: too famous and too useful for this model to work. And reliability is not being valued.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,787
    edited June 9
    Andy_JS said:

    The Ritz, London has been voted the best restaurant in the UK. Anyone been there?

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/features/best-uk-restaurants-national-awards/

    Yes, he’s excellent, and the service brilliant. It’s also, somehow, quite relaxed and welcoming.

    Edit: The black tie “Live at the Ritz” is extra fun.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,456
    "Trump administration to deploy hundreds of Marines in Los Angeles
    Decision escalates clash between the federal government and the US’s most populous state"

    https://www.ft.com
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,198
    Can anyone explain this?


    Keir Starmer
    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    7h
    I’m investing in the future of Britain.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1932100904167321835
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,198
    Andy_JS said:

    "Trump administration to deploy hundreds of Marines in Los Angeles
    Decision escalates clash between the federal government and the US’s most populous state"

    https://www.ft.com

    54 Dem votes from the electoral college if he manages to make them leave the union.

    Hmm...
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,787

    Can anyone explain this?


    Keir Starmer
    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    7h
    I’m investing in the future of Britain.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1932100904167321835

    He’s short on Sterling?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,456

    Can anyone explain this?


    Keir Starmer
    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    7h
    I’m investing in the future of Britain.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1932100904167321835

    I kept waiting for something to happen in this video and it never did. Maybe the editor pressed the wrong button?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,590
    Andy_JS said:

    Can anyone explain this?


    Keir Starmer
    @Keir_Starmer
    ·
    7h
    I’m investing in the future of Britain.

    https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1932100904167321835

    I kept waiting for something to happen in this video and it never did. Maybe the editor pressed the wrong button?
    It's meant to make him look purposeful but instead it makes him look a bit lost.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 66,198

    Gavin Newsom
    @GavinNewsom
    ·
    1h
    U.S. Marines have served honorably across multiple wars in defense of democracy. They are heroes.

    They shouldn't be deployed on American soil facing their own countrymen to fulfill the deranged fantasy of a dictatorial President.

    This is un-American.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,456
    edited June 9
    "A battalion of 500 U.S. Marines are mobilizing to Los Angeles to respond to anti-immigration enforcement riots, Fox News has learned.

    The Marines will be tasked with protecting federal property and federal personnel, according to a senior defense official, and the deployment is open-ended.

    The Marines will not be carrying out a law enforcement role, but it’s unclear what their use of force rules are if protesters throw things or spit at them."

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-marines-deploy-los-angeles-help-quell-anti-ice-riots
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,335
    "The United Kingdom of Great Britain, Northern Ireland, Canada and California would be a single unity."

    Capital in Toronto? Or in a brand new city, like Brasilia?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,888
    Andy_JS said:

    "A battalion of 500 U.S. Marines are mobilizing to Los Angeles to respond to anti-immigration enforcement riots, Fox News has learned.

    The Marines will be tasked with protecting federal property and federal personnel, according to a senior defense official, and the deployment is open-ended.

    The Marines will not be carrying out a law enforcement role, but it’s unclear what their use of force rules are if protesters throw things or spit at them."

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-marines-deploy-los-angeles-help-quell-anti-ice-riots

    Shooting Americans for spitting. That's what this police riot has come to.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,335
    So far, the reports from LA sound like an ordinary week night in a West Coast city, to the disappointment of those taking part, no doubt.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,456
    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:
    I thought he was older.
    A brilliant writer. A superb journalist. A right wing lunatic. But nobody is perfect.
    Frederick Forsyth's autobiography is one of the most entertaining books I've ever read. I recommend reading it if you haven't.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,335
    Anyone know whether Karen Bass is a soprano, or an alto? (Google refused to tell me.)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,590

    Anyone know whether Karen Bass is a soprano, or an alto? (Google refused to tell me.)

    How low can she go?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,456
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "A battalion of 500 U.S. Marines are mobilizing to Los Angeles to respond to anti-immigration enforcement riots, Fox News has learned.

    The Marines will be tasked with protecting federal property and federal personnel, according to a senior defense official, and the deployment is open-ended.

    The Marines will not be carrying out a law enforcement role, but it’s unclear what their use of force rules are if protesters throw things or spit at them."

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-marines-deploy-los-angeles-help-quell-anti-ice-riots

    Shooting Americans for spitting. That's what this police riot has come to.
    If only we could go back to the time of Carter v Reagan or Clinton v HW.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,119

    "The United Kingdom of Great Britain, Northern Ireland, Canada and California would be a single unity."

    Capital in Toronto? Or in a brand new city, like Brasilia?

    Brasilia would be a poor choice.
    Very inconvenient.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,513

    Is it just me that would far rather go through a self-checkout than queue to go through a checkout with a person?

    Or worse, get stuck behind someone who is enjoying a good gab with the cashier while I'm stood there waiting for them to bugger off, long after their shopping has been scanned.

    I'm sure the supermarket workers prefer that you do too.

    These teabags are 50p off, luv.

    AND ANOTHER THING ABOUT HAMAS...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,590
    https://x.com/greggertruck/status/1932173476879888556

    Steve Jobs would have fired everyone

    image
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,513
    Nigelb said:



    So they've now decided to order some F35As, which also can't use it.

    There is a couple of things driving this.

    1. The RAF love many things about F-35: radar, ECM fit, sensor fusion, etc. They fucking hate one thing about it: the RN are involved. Switching to A keeps all of the things they like about B without the thing they don't. This nuclear weapon sharing bollocks is a cover story which may or probably may not ever happen.

    2. The B has one user of any significant volume and that user, the USMC, aren't that keen on it. The MoD are alive to the risk that the B is going to end up orphaned and outside of the main development spiral as the USMC prefer the C and Lockmart focus on F-35 "5.5" which probably won't have a STOVL/B variant.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,456
    edited 12:01AM

    Is it just me that would far rather go through a self-checkout than queue to go through a checkout with a person?

    Or worse, get stuck behind someone who is enjoying a good gab with the cashier while I'm stood there waiting for them to bugger off, long after their shopping has been scanned.

    Depends whether I'm in a hurry or not. It's nice to have a choice, just as it's nice to have a choice whether to use cash or cards to pay for things.
  • vikvik Posts: 481
    edited 12:33AM

    Scott_xP said:

    Taz said:

    Have you seen his feed.

    The feed of clips of Trump saying insane shit on live TV

    Yes
    Trump is not just backed by Americans by winning their approval on this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX2EPoYS2VQ

    but has everyone noticed how unlike previous recent presidents, whose satisfaction went down, Trump bucks the trend by going up and up.

    This Trump presidency just gets more and more popular with the voters. It’s installing MAGA as the default winning position in US electoral politics.

    https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker
    His approval "going up and up" implies that it's been going up since his inauguration, which is not the case.

    His approval ratings crashed after the liberation day tariffs, and reached a nadir of 53.2% Disapporval/43.6% Approval on April 29th.

    His approval numbers started to go up again after he chickened out and "paused" most of the liberation tariffs and then chickend out again & reduced the 145% China tariffs.

    I do agree that the MAGA way to win elections is now the default winning position in electoral politics, and is also being successfully copied by other populist parties in other countries.

    Most of Reform's policy positions are a word-for-word copy of MAGA policy positions.

    For example, Farage's support for coal mining is a copy of Trump's support for coal miners, and so is Farage's opposition to Net Zero.

    https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 35,456
    edited 12:59AM

    Scott_xP said:

    Taz said:

    Have you seen his feed.

    The feed of clips of Trump saying insane shit on live TV

    Yes
    Trump is not just backed by Americans by winning their approval on this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX2EPoYS2VQ

    but has everyone noticed how unlike previous recent presidents, whose satisfaction went down, Trump bucks the trend by going up and up.

    This Trump presidency just gets more and more popular with the voters. It’s installing MAGA as the default winning position in US electoral politics.

    https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker
    Why is this surprising? Most people do not support illegal immigrants being in the country, whichever country it is, because they're leapfrogging genuine asylum seekers and making a mockery of the whole system and undermining the fairness of waiting in the queue for your turn. I expect Trump's popularity to stay the same or go up slightly.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,120
    MaxPB said:

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Leon said:

    RobD said:

    Leon said:

    What the frak is wrong with Apple?

    Almost zero upgrades in their latest "unveiling". Tiny, incremental changes. They are heading into the dangerzone, despite their wealth

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/09/apple-wwdc-new-phone-features

    You’ll now know how long it’ll take your phone to charge!

    Definitely BlackBerry vibes now.
    It is quite peculiar. They have so much money, but what are they doing with it? As far as I can see, zero in the last few years, even as their rivals race ahead

    Who knows, tho. About a year ago I thought Google had lost it, then suddenly Wham, they revealed all the New Stuff. Incredible. And now they are right at the front of the pack. So maybe Apple have something quietly brewing, in the same way...
    Given how many times the C-level Anthopic exec's have refused to comment on Claude being the new Siri - I was quite surprised the main announcements were new emoji and... some other sh*t I don't care about.
    It's very dull. And my God I hate what they have done to Apple Photos. You used to be able to search via Location. I think you still can but it is hidden away so deep I constantly forget the intricate method. And all the albums are now mad. Why? Why do that? How does anyone gain from making photos so much harder to find, sort, sift, recall?

    That one "upgrade" by itself inclines me to loathe Apple. So if they become the next Nokia, frak 'em
    I was getting my boiler replaced the other week - and was asked to take various pictures of the front/case/pipes. And I 100% did not resent having to spend time googling about trying to figure out how to force the flash to fire when taking a picture in the current iOS. 'Open the camera app, then swipe this way, then that, then - if you're on iOS vX swipe like that and you'll see the option to...., but if you're on iIOS vY then .....'
    Omg the flash! Yes!

    Literally everything is worse than it was, photographically. From the camera onwards

    If they weren’t so obviously busy destroying Britain, I would have a strong suspicion that Apple have installed Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves as joint CEOs
    Apple is seriously missing someone with real vision at the top. Tim Cook is a glorified bean counter and ever since Jony Ive left there's been no one to guide the company vision and the why behind what they do. The vision pro is a good example of a product Steve Jobs would never have released.
    Tim Cook was the execution guy, alongside the vision guy that was Jobs.

    Great businesses need both execution and vision. If I have to choose one, I probably choose execution. But the problem with execution guys is that they don't realize they also need the vision guy. At least us vision guys know we can't do it on our own.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,120
    vik said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Taz said:

    Have you seen his feed.

    The feed of clips of Trump saying insane shit on live TV

    Yes
    Trump is not just backed by Americans by winning their approval on this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX2EPoYS2VQ

    but has everyone noticed how unlike previous recent presidents, whose satisfaction went down, Trump bucks the trend by going up and up.

    This Trump presidency just gets more and more popular with the voters. It’s installing MAGA as the default winning position in US electoral politics.

    https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker
    His approval "going up and up" implies that it's been going up since his inauguration, which is not the case.

    His approval ratings crashed after the liberation day tariffs, and reached a nadir of 53.2% Disapporval/43.6% Approval on April 29th.

    His approval numbers started to go up again after he chickened out and "paused" most of the liberation tariffs and then chickend out again & reduced the 145% China tariffs.

    I do agree that the MAGA way to win elections is now the default winning position in electoral politics, and is also being successfully copied by other populist parties in other countries.

    Most of Reform's policy positions are a word-for-word copy of MAGA policy positions.

    For example, Farage's support for coal mining is a copy of Trump's support for coal miners, and so is Farage's opposition to Net Zero.

    https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin
    It's certainly true that if the attention of America is on immigration, then Trump benefits.

    It's also true that Trump is desperate for a confrontation here. (And Newsom probably is too.)

    When the reality is that the protests have been pretty small beer, certainly compared to George Floyd or the LA riots in the 90s. We're talking low thousands of people in total.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,762
    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:



    So they've now decided to order some F35As, which also can't use it.

    There is a couple of things driving this.

    1. The RAF love many things about F-35: radar, ECM fit, sensor fusion, etc. They fucking hate one thing about it: the RN are involved. Switching to A keeps all of the things they like about B without the thing they don't. This nuclear weapon sharing bollocks is a cover story which may or probably may not ever happen.

    2. The B has one user of any significant volume and that user, the USMC, aren't that keen on it. The MoD are alive to the risk that the B is going to end up orphaned and outside of the main development spiral as the USMC prefer the C and Lockmart focus on F-35 "5.5" which probably won't have a STOVL/B variant.
    It doesn't matter if the RAF buy the A, B, C or the Galaxy class, if we can't integrate missiles on it it's useless.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,513
    viewcode said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:



    So they've now decided to order some F35As, which also can't use it.

    There is a couple of things driving this.

    1. The RAF love many things about F-35: radar, ECM fit, sensor fusion, etc. They fucking hate one thing about it: the RN are involved. Switching to A keeps all of the things they like about B without the thing they don't. This nuclear weapon sharing bollocks is a cover story which may or probably may not ever happen.

    2. The B has one user of any significant volume and that user, the USMC, aren't that keen on it. The MoD are alive to the risk that the B is going to end up orphaned and outside of the main development spiral as the USMC prefer the C and Lockmart focus on F-35 "5.5" which probably won't have a STOVL/B variant.
    It doesn't matter if the RAF buy the A, B, C or the Galaxy class, if we can't integrate missiles on it it's useless.
    It's got AIM-120 and it's not within the gift of the UK government to make Lockmart do the Meteor/SPEAR integration any faster. A and C, but crucially not B, are going to 6 x AIM-120 internal carriage which will never happen for Meteor so that's another possible factor in the UK decision to go for A. A vs B, in a British context, is really just a proxy war for the RAF vs RN bitter conflict over fixed wing aviation that's been raging since the 50s.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,768
    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:



    So they've now decided to order some F35As, which also can't use it.

    There is a couple of things driving this.

    1. The RAF love many things about F-35: radar, ECM fit, sensor fusion, etc. They fucking hate one thing about it: the RN are involved. Switching to A keeps all of the things they like about B without the thing they don't. This nuclear weapon sharing bollocks is a cover story which may or probably may not ever happen.

    2. The B has one user of any significant volume and that user, the USMC, aren't that keen on it. The MoD are alive to the risk that the B is going to end up orphaned and outside of the main development spiral as the USMC prefer the C and Lockmart focus on F-35 "5.5" which probably won't have a STOVL/B variant.
    It doesn't matter if the RAF buy the A, B, C or the Galaxy class, if we can't integrate missiles on it it's useless.
    It's got AIM-120 and it's not within the gift of the UK government to make Lockmart do the Meteor/SPEAR integration any faster. A and C, but crucially not B, are going to 6 x AIM-120 internal carriage which will never happen for Meteor so that's another possible factor in the UK decision to go for A. A vs B, in a British context, is really just a proxy war for the RAF vs RN bitter conflict over fixed wing aviation that's been raging since the 50s.
    what ya think of the tempest?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,513

    Dura_Ace said:

    viewcode said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:



    So they've now decided to order some F35As, which also can't use it.

    There is a couple of things driving this.

    1. The RAF love many things about F-35: radar, ECM fit, sensor fusion, etc. They fucking hate one thing about it: the RN are involved. Switching to A keeps all of the things they like about B without the thing they don't. This nuclear weapon sharing bollocks is a cover story which may or probably may not ever happen.

    2. The B has one user of any significant volume and that user, the USMC, aren't that keen on it. The MoD are alive to the risk that the B is going to end up orphaned and outside of the main development spiral as the USMC prefer the C and Lockmart focus on F-35 "5.5" which probably won't have a STOVL/B variant.
    It doesn't matter if the RAF buy the A, B, C or the Galaxy class, if we can't integrate missiles on it it's useless.
    It's got AIM-120 and it's not within the gift of the UK government to make Lockmart do the Meteor/SPEAR integration any faster. A and C, but crucially not B, are going to 6 x AIM-120 internal carriage which will never happen for Meteor so that's another possible factor in the UK decision to go for A. A vs B, in a British context, is really just a proxy war for the RAF vs RN bitter conflict over fixed wing aviation that's been raging since the 50s.
    what ya think of the tempest?
    It's a lot more viable in the Trump 47 era than it was before due to a thirst for autonomy. However, the British government doesn't show any inclination or capacity to fund it beyond a minor fraction of what it's actually going to take. They probably need more partners and a willingness to accept a consequent dilution of workshare or take a back seat and cede leadership to Japan. Either way, I confidently predict that, if it survives, it'll be very late and very expensive. It was supposed to be flying in 2025 which is.. err... now.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 60,120
    viewcode said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:



    So they've now decided to order some F35As, which also can't use it.

    There is a couple of things driving this.

    1. The RAF love many things about F-35: radar, ECM fit, sensor fusion, etc. They fucking hate one thing about it: the RN are involved. Switching to A keeps all of the things they like about B without the thing they don't. This nuclear weapon sharing bollocks is a cover story which may or probably may not ever happen.

    2. The B has one user of any significant volume and that user, the USMC, aren't that keen on it. The MoD are alive to the risk that the B is going to end up orphaned and outside of the main development spiral as the USMC prefer the C and Lockmart focus on F-35 "5.5" which probably won't have a STOVL/B variant.
    It doesn't matter if the RAF buy the A, B, C or the Galaxy class, if we can't integrate missiles on it it's useless.
    So long as our opponents don't know...
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