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SystemSystem Posts: 12,596
edited June 1 in General
The latest White House 2028 betting – politicalbetting.com

I still think the value is with Donald Trump Jr given the iron grip his father has on the Republican party.

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  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,335
    With you all the way up to Jr....
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 33,366
    But isn't Don Jnr as thick as pigs... ?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,432
    It's hard to assess value in these US markets given the timeframe and the uncertainties around Trump. What about the "impeach" market though? It's 2.4 he is and 1.7 he isn't. I have a feeling one of those is a stonking bet but I can't decide which.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 15,065
    Do we really have sufficient reason to think that the 2028 WH race will be free and fair?
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,756
    kinabalu said:

    It's hard to assess value in these US markets given the timeframe and the uncertainties around Trump. What about the "impeach" market though? It's 2.4 he is and 1.7 he isn't. I have a feeling one of those is a stonking bet but I can't decide which.

    It’s essentially a proxy for the midterms house and senate market. Not sure the maths is that easy for the Democrats in the Senate.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,723
    edited May 27
    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/


    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,645
    Mexicanpete said:

    But isn't Don Jnr as thick as pigs... ?

    Yes.
    Didn't stop his dad, though.

    But the son has none of senior's charisma.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 19,284
    Mexicanpete said:

    But isn't Don Jnr as thick as pigs... ?

    So was Richard Cromwell.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,645
    algarkirk said:

    Do we really have sufficient reason to think that the 2028 WH race will be free and fair?

    We'll know one way or another by the midterms.
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 173
    Iron grip? In some senior GOP circles he is barely tolerated...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1927390982061842822

    What Vladimir Putin doesn't realize is that if it weren't for me, lots of really bad things would have already happened to Russia, and I mean REALLY BAD. He's playing with fire!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,050
    Dopermean said:

    With you all the way up to Jr....

    It appears we can't bet on that outcome.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,455
    Mexicanpete said:

    But isn't Don Jnr as thick as pigs... ?

    So smarter than his dad?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,645
    Serious LOL

    DISAPPOINTED TO SEE "KING" CHARLES WHO IS AN OVERRATED GUY AND NOT AT ALL ATTRACTIVE BUT WHO I HAD AGREED TO HONOUR WITH A STATE VISIT TO HIS FAILING LITTLE COUNTRY WHICH I LOVE LATER THIS YEAR HAS BEEN DISRESPECTFUL. MIGHT NOT GO NOW!
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,432
    TimS said:

    kinabalu said:

    It's hard to assess value in these US markets given the timeframe and the uncertainties around Trump. What about the "impeach" market though? It's 2.4 he is and 1.7 he isn't. I have a feeling one of those is a stonking bet but I can't decide which.

    It’s essentially a proxy for the midterms house and senate market. Not sure the maths is that easy for the Democrats in the Senate.
    Mainly the House though, I think? It's them who decide whether to do it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,944
    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/


    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    ‘Davidson attributes part of her trouble selling to the service charge she pays on her flat, which rose from around £3,000 a year to almost £4,000 after there was a water leak in her building, raising its insurance premiums.

    Nonetheless, Davidson thinks negative attitudes towards leasehold properties are overblown.’

    Well she would say that.

    I’m starting to enjoy entitled middle class Telegraph rage bait. The working poor in the red tops struggling on benefits I can feel sorry for as I could have seen myself there but for the grace of God.

    These middle class fuckers, get me the popcorn.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,480
    FPT.
    algarkirk said:

    MattW said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Merseyside Police

    Suspect arrested on suspicion of attempted nurder, dangerous driving and driving while unfit due to drugs

    It's not yet charged so I think I can still comment in general terms.

    I'd say that Causing Serious Injury by Dangerous Driving is an obvious multiple charge (6 months to 5 years in prison), and when he tries to bargain it down to a guilty plea for Serious Injury by Careless (max 2 years) they will reject that.

    The drugs charge is one they should be confident about if the test results are suitable.

    Attempted murder is a stretch as it needs mens rea.

    I'm not sure how the concurrent / consecutive sentencing would be handled.

    Nor am I sure of the impact of "but he panicked in his fear", which could potentially be heavy on the other side of the scales.

    When the lady drove into the Plymouth Half Marathon in 2018 (linked by @Eabhal ), there seem to have been no charges at all - that is, I can't find any reporting.
    Attempted murder unlikely to make it to indictment, but as a ground of arrest completely proper - allegedly driving a car at people is reasonable cause for arrest on that ground. At this stage you just stick various possibles in. GBH, which can be without intent, is much more likely in the end.

    If there is no intent to do GBH (at least) then neither murder nor attempted murder are feasible. For attempted murder you need intent to kill.

    Panic as such goes to sentence, not guilt. But of course self defence (driving away from someone trying to kill me, the third party consequences being an accident) is always runnable, which if accepted would clear him.
    If you drive a car at people, then accelerate, then there is intent.

    It should be attempted murder. It is very fortunate its not actually murder.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,455
    Nigelb said:

    Serious LOL

    DISAPPOINTED TO SEE "KING" CHARLES WHO IS AN OVERRATED GUY AND NOT AT ALL ATTRACTIVE BUT WHO I HAD AGREED TO HONOUR WITH A STATE VISIT TO HIS FAILING LITTLE COUNTRY WHICH I LOVE LATER THIS YEAR HAS BEEN DISRESPECTFUL. MIGHT NOT GO NOW!

    I’m assuming that’s a Trump post?

    😂
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,629
    Nigelb said:

    Serious LOL

    DISAPPOINTED TO SEE "KING" CHARLES WHO IS AN OVERRATED GUY AND NOT AT ALL ATTRACTIVE BUT WHO I HAD AGREED TO HONOUR WITH A STATE VISIT TO HIS FAILING LITTLE COUNTRY WHICH I LOVE LATER THIS YEAR HAS BEEN DISRESPECTFUL. MIGHT NOT GO NOW!

    I thought that was satire on the previous thread. It’s a real tweet?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,035
    Labour attacks on Farage are getting more shrill. They're clearly shittng themselves
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,480
    StillWaters said:

    Nigelb said:

    Serious LOL

    DISAPPOINTED TO SEE "KING" CHARLES WHO IS AN OVERRATED GUY AND NOT AT ALL ATTRACTIVE BUT WHO I HAD AGREED TO HONOUR WITH A STATE VISIT TO HIS FAILING LITTLE COUNTRY WHICH I LOVE LATER THIS YEAR HAS BEEN DISRESPECTFUL. MIGHT NOT GO NOW!

    I’m assuming that’s a Trump post?

    😂
    I'm assuming its satire.

    It's good satire though.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,193
    wooliedyed said:

    Labour attacks on Farage are getting more shrill. They're clearly shittng themselves

    Anything specific?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 10,455
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    StillWaters said:

    Nigelb said:

    Serious LOL

    DISAPPOINTED TO SEE "KING" CHARLES WHO IS AN OVERRATED GUY AND NOT AT ALL ATTRACTIVE BUT WHO I HAD AGREED TO HONOUR WITH A STATE VISIT TO HIS FAILING LITTLE COUNTRY WHICH I LOVE LATER THIS YEAR HAS BEEN DISRESPECTFUL. MIGHT NOT GO NOW!

    I’m assuming that’s a Trump post?

    😂
    I'm assuming its satire.

    It's good satire though.
    So difficult to tell…

    Tom Lehrer may need to retire again
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,270
    Nigelb said:

    Serious LOL

    DISAPPOINTED TO SEE "KING" CHARLES WHO IS AN OVERRATED GUY AND NOT AT ALL ATTRACTIVE BUT WHO I HAD AGREED TO HONOUR WITH A STATE VISIT TO HIS FAILING LITTLE COUNTRY WHICH I LOVE LATER THIS YEAR HAS BEEN DISRESPECTFUL. MIGHT NOT GO NOW!

    That is seriously funny
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,526
    Mexicanpete said:

    But isn't Don Jnr as thick as pigs... ?

    It is said that many of the worst Administration picks were punted by Don Jr.

    Unimaginable how bad Jr's administration might be...
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 55,953
    Stuartinromford said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    But isn't Don Jnr as thick as pigs... ?

    So was Richard Cromwell.
    I thought that Richard just had little interest or ability to be a dictator. So gave up without a fight.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,432
    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/

    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    That 2016 "valuation" looks highball to me. But it's true that London property prices are well off their peak. A good thing on balance, I'd say, although it will cause genuine problems for some people.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,270
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Labour attacks on Farage are getting more shrill. They're clearly shittng themselves

    Anything specific?
    Privatising the NHS and abolishing net zero?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,035
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Labour attacks on Farage are getting more shrill. They're clearly shittng themselves

    Anything specific?
    A particularly grumpy Mike Tapp said
    'Nigel Farage is just another rich bloke who is masquerading as a working class hero, and using the flag to act as a patriot when we all know he is not.'
    An even grumpier Torsten Bell the pensions plonker was mouthing off earlier too.

    It's the anger not the words 'How DARE you support him, he's a right shit' styley
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,193
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Labour attacks on Farage are getting more shrill. They're clearly shittng themselves

    Anything specific?
    Privatising the NHS and abolishing net zero?
    Where does one sign?
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,944
    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/

    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    That 2016 "valuation" looks highball to me. But it's true that London property prices are well off their peak. A good thing on balance, I'd say, although it will cause genuine problems for some people.
    Well tough for those who see a property as an asset class and not a place to live.

    The woman in this article is still well ahead on what she paid in 2004. Her expectation is above what the property is worth.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,270
    wooliedyed said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Labour attacks on Farage are getting more shrill. They're clearly shittng themselves

    Anything specific?
    A particularly grumpy Mike Tapp said
    'Nigel Farage is just another rich bloke who is masquerading as a working class hero, and using the flag to act as a patriot when we all know he is not.'
    An even grumpier Torsten Bell the pensions plonker was mouthing off earlier too.

    It's the anger not the words 'How DARE you support him, he's a right shit' styley
    The left simply do not learn

    Same attitude that gave us Brexit
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,035
    edited May 27
    WPGB are trawling for candidates for next May, I think theyre going for a push to get some pockets of elected councillors established in the metropolitan districts and inner London
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,270
    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/

    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    That 2016 "valuation" looks highball to me. But it's true that London property prices are well off their peak. A good thing on balance, I'd say, although it will cause genuine problems for some people.
    Well tough for those who see a property as an asset class and not a place to live.

    The woman in this article is still well ahead on what she paid in 2004. Her expectation is above what the property is worth.
    To be fair with the outrageous charges on leasehold flats and cladding issues, I would expect she has quite a lot further to drop, even if it is saleable
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 32,193
    wooliedyed said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Labour attacks on Farage are getting more shrill. They're clearly shittng themselves

    Anything specific?
    A particularly grumpy Mike Tapp said
    'Nigel Farage is just another rich bloke who is masquerading as a working class hero, and using the flag to act as a patriot when we all know he is not.'
    An even grumpier Torsten Bell the pensions plonker was mouthing off earlier too.

    It's the anger not the words 'How DARE you support him, he's a right shit' styley
    'Using the flag'? That's quite the accusation from the party of Sir Red White and Blue.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,035
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Labour attacks on Farage are getting more shrill. They're clearly shittng themselves

    Anything specific?
    A particularly grumpy Mike Tapp said
    'Nigel Farage is just another rich bloke who is masquerading as a working class hero, and using the flag to act as a patriot when we all know he is not.'
    An even grumpier Torsten Bell the pensions plonker was mouthing off earlier too.

    It's the anger not the words 'How DARE you support him, he's a right shit' styley
    'Using the flag'? That's quite the accusation from the party of Sir Red White and Blue.
    Keir pays Mauritians to wear his union jack trousers
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,944
    edited May 27
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/

    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    That 2016 "valuation" looks highball to me. But it's true that London property prices are well off their peak. A good thing on balance, I'd say, although it will cause genuine problems for some people.
    Well tough for those who see a property as an asset class and not a place to live.

    The woman in this article is still well ahead on what she paid in 2004. Her expectation is above what the property is worth.
    To be fair with the outrageous charges on leasehold flats and cladding issues, I would expect she has quite a lot further to drop, even if it is saleable
    Well quite. It doesn’t mention how long the lease is either.

    Is 4 grand a year service charge a lot these days for London.

    When I had a flat in Brum I was paying around £1,000 a year but I left in 2000.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,239
    TimS said:

    kinabalu said:

    It's hard to assess value in these US markets given the timeframe and the uncertainties around Trump. What about the "impeach" market though? It's 2.4 he is and 1.7 he isn't. I have a feeling one of those is a stonking bet but I can't decide which.

    It’s essentially a proxy for the midterms house and senate market. Not sure the maths is that easy for the Democrats in the Senate.
    Democrats don't need the Senate to impeach him.
    So it's a proxy for the midterms House, which is 80%+ going to be Democrat.
    So the 2.4 on Trump being impeached is the value bet.
    I'm on it at 2.65.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,216
    edited May 27
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/

    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    That 2016 "valuation" looks highball to me. But it's true that London property prices are well off their peak. A good thing on balance, I'd say, although it will cause genuine problems for some people.
    Well tough for those who see a property as an asset class and not a place to live.

    The woman in this article is still well ahead on what she paid in 2004. Her expectation is above what the property is worth.
    To be fair with the outrageous charges on leasehold flats and cladding issues, I would expect she has quite a lot further to drop, even if it is saleable
    ...
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,335
    TimS said:

    kinabalu said:

    It's hard to assess value in these US markets given the timeframe and the uncertainties around Trump. What about the "impeach" market though? It's 2.4 he is and 1.7 he isn't. I have a feeling one of those is a stonking bet but I can't decide which.

    It’s essentially a proxy for the midterms house and senate market. Not sure the maths is that easy for the Democrats in the Senate.
    Betfair market is a vote for impeachment in the House of Representatives, Senate is irrelevant for that market.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,270
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/

    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    That 2016 "valuation" looks highball to me. But it's true that London property prices are well off their peak. A good thing on balance, I'd say, although it will cause genuine problems for some people.
    Well tough for those who see a property as an asset class and not a place to live.

    The woman in this article is still well ahead on what she paid in 2004. Her expectation is above what the property is worth.
    To be fair with the outrageous charges on leasehold flats and cladding issues, I would expect she has quite a lot further to drop, even if it is saleable
    So Nigel and his admirers are allowed to slag off Sir Keir and Kemi no end (as we see plenty of on here) but the moment Labour are beastly about Nigel then that's utterly beyond the pale?
    Not sure what that is to do with my comment
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,070
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    StillWaters said:

    Nigelb said:

    Serious LOL

    DISAPPOINTED TO SEE "KING" CHARLES WHO IS AN OVERRATED GUY AND NOT AT ALL ATTRACTIVE BUT WHO I HAD AGREED TO HONOUR WITH A STATE VISIT TO HIS FAILING LITTLE COUNTRY WHICH I LOVE LATER THIS YEAR HAS BEEN DISRESPECTFUL. MIGHT NOT GO NOW!

    I’m assuming that’s a Trump post?

    😂
    I'm assuming its satire.

    It's good satire though.
    No-one can tell with Trump any more. It's pretty much a 50-50 coin toss.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,216
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/

    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    That 2016 "valuation" looks highball to me. But it's true that London property prices are well off their peak. A good thing on balance, I'd say, although it will cause genuine problems for some people.
    Well tough for those who see a property as an asset class and not a place to live.

    The woman in this article is still well ahead on what she paid in 2004. Her expectation is above what the property is worth.
    To be fair with the outrageous charges on leasehold flats and cladding issues, I would expect she has quite a lot further to drop, even if it is saleable
    So Nigel and his admirers are allowed to slag off Sir Keir and Kemi no end (as we see plenty of on here) but the moment Labour are beastly about Nigel then that's utterly beyond the pale?
    Not sure what that is to do with my comment
    I was replying to your previous one!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,280
    StillWaters said:

    Nigelb said:

    Serious LOL

    DISAPPOINTED TO SEE "KING" CHARLES WHO IS AN OVERRATED GUY AND NOT AT ALL ATTRACTIVE BUT WHO I HAD AGREED TO HONOUR WITH A STATE VISIT TO HIS FAILING LITTLE COUNTRY WHICH I LOVE LATER THIS YEAR HAS BEEN DISRESPECTFUL. MIGHT NOT GO NOW!

    I’m assuming that’s a Trump post?

    😂
    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5219689#Comment_5219689
  • isamisam Posts: 42,264
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Labour attacks on Farage are getting more shrill. They're clearly shittng themselves

    Anything specific?
    A particularly grumpy Mike Tapp said
    'Nigel Farage is just another rich bloke who is masquerading as a working class hero, and using the flag to act as a patriot when we all know he is not.'
    An even grumpier Torsten Bell the pensions plonker was mouthing off earlier too.

    It's the anger not the words 'How DARE you support him, he's a right shit' styley
    'Using the flag'? That's quite the accusation from the party of Sir Red White and Blue.
    John Rentoul today. He ends the article by suggesting Labour should hammer Farage’s Thatcherite past, his support for the Truss budget and that Sir Keir should ask him when they debate what he thought of the coal mines closing

    “Before Farage’s speech, the Labour Party line to take was that he is a privately educated stockbroker who should not be taken seriously. This is disastrously misjudged. No one cares what school he went to, or what his job was before politics – he was actually a metals trader in the City.

    If Labour try to portray him as posh and out of touch, they will fail, because voters are more likely to see Starmer, with his knighthood, as a member of the establishment. If they make it about personality, they will fail.

    That is why Farage said of Starmer, “This man doesn’t believe in anything.” Farage contrasted Starmer, who is in politics to “be something”, namely prime minister, with his own desire to “do something”, namely to “turn the country around”.

    Many Labour supporters dislike Farage so much that they cannot see clearly how to fight him. They have no idea how effective his pitch is, and how unpopular Starmer is.”

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nigel-farage-reform-working-class-left-wing-b2758484.html
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,645
    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1927390982061842822

    What Vladimir Putin doesn't realize is that if it weren't for me, lots of really bad things would have already happened to Russia, and I mean REALLY BAD. He's playing with fire!

    So he's been protecting Russia ?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 12,226
    wooliedyed said:

    Labour attacks on Farage are getting more shrill. They're clearly shittng themselves

    Well they are only margin of error amounts from being lib dem levels of support
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,756
    kinabalu said:

    TimS said:

    kinabalu said:

    It's hard to assess value in these US markets given the timeframe and the uncertainties around Trump. What about the "impeach" market though? It's 2.4 he is and 1.7 he isn't. I have a feeling one of those is a stonking bet but I can't decide which.

    It’s essentially a proxy for the midterms house and senate market. Not sure the maths is that easy for the Democrats in the Senate.
    Mainly the House though, I think? It's them who decide whether to do it.
    Yes you’re right, it’s conviction they do in the senate. In which case it looks like a no brainer.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,035
    Pagan2 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Labour attacks on Farage are getting more shrill. They're clearly shittng themselves

    Well they are only margin of error amounts from being lib dem levels of support
    Yes. REFORM - LD - CON - GREEN - LAB is the money shot poll order
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    edited May 27
    Nigelb said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1927390982061842822

    What Vladimir Putin doesn't realize is that if it weren't for me, lots of really bad things would have already happened to Russia, and I mean REALLY BAD. He's playing with fire!

    So he's been protecting Russia ?
    No different to under Biden. The US doesn't want the gloves taken off because they're afraid of escalation.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,270
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/

    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    That 2016 "valuation" looks highball to me. But it's true that London property prices are well off their peak. A good thing on balance, I'd say, although it will cause genuine problems for some people.
    Well tough for those who see a property as an asset class and not a place to live.

    The woman in this article is still well ahead on what she paid in 2004. Her expectation is above what the property is worth.
    To be fair with the outrageous charges on leasehold flats and cladding issues, I would expect she has quite a lot further to drop, even if it is saleable
    So Nigel and his admirers are allowed to slag off Sir Keir and Kemi no end (as we see plenty of on here) but the moment Labour are beastly about Nigel then that's utterly beyond the pale?
    Not sure what that is to do with my comment
    I was replying to your previous one!
    Actually Labour should rise above the fray rather than give Farage the attention he desires
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,239
    Taz said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/

    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    That 2016 "valuation" looks highball to me. But it's true that London property prices are well off their peak. A good thing on balance, I'd say, although it will cause genuine problems for some people.
    Well tough for those who see a property as an asset class and not a place to live.

    The woman in this article is still well ahead on what she paid in 2004. Her expectation is above what the property is worth.
    To be fair with the outrageous charges on leasehold flats and cladding issues, I would expect she has quite a lot further to drop, even if it is saleable
    Well quite. It doesn’t mention how long the lease is either.

    Is 4 grand a year service charge a lot these days for London.

    When I had a flat in Brum I was paying around £1,000 a year but I left in 2000.
    I pay £4K+ a year on my flat. I think it's worth it.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,331
    viewcode said:

    Reading for the morning

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167629625000499
    https://bsky.app/profile/volts.wtf/post/3lpu6ksru3k2h

    For all those of you who mentioned the bsky link above, please note the writer uses "IRA" to mean the "Inflation Reduction Act", not the "Irish Republican Army"
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,480
    Nigelb said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1927390982061842822

    What Vladimir Putin doesn't realize is that if it weren't for me, lots of really bad things would have already happened to Russia, and I mean REALLY BAD. He's playing with fire!

    So he's been protecting Russia ?
    No shit, Sherlock.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,480
    williamglenn said:

    Nigelb said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1927390982061842822

    What Vladimir Putin doesn't realize is that if it weren't for me, lots of really bad things would have already happened to Russia, and I mean REALLY BAD. He's playing with fire!

    So he's been protecting Russia ?
    No different to under Biden. The US doesn't want the gloves taken off because they're afraid of escalation.
    Lies.

    Biden consistently supplied Ukraine with arms, the only time it got paused was when the Republicans at Donald's urging blocked them.

    Trump cut off the supply of both arms and intelligence to Ukraine.

    Completely different.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,941
    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/


    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/156078164#/?channel=RES_BUY

    725 was a crazy estate agent price. Suspect it will sell within 5% of the 575.

    Global tracker would have massively outperformed, even a FTSE tracker reinvested would have done.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 1,335
    Barnesian said:

    Taz said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/

    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    That 2016 "valuation" looks highball to me. But it's true that London property prices are well off their peak. A good thing on balance, I'd say, although it will cause genuine problems for some people.
    Well tough for those who see a property as an asset class and not a place to live.

    The woman in this article is still well ahead on what she paid in 2004. Her expectation is above what the property is worth.
    To be fair with the outrageous charges on leasehold flats and cladding issues, I would expect she has quite a lot further to drop, even if it is saleable
    Well quite. It doesn’t mention how long the lease is either.

    Is 4 grand a year service charge a lot these days for London.

    When I had a flat in Brum I was paying around £1,000 a year but I left in 2000.
    I pay £4K+ a year on my flat. I think it's worth it.
    It depends how much maintenance work is required on the communal parts. There'll a lot of flat owners disappointed when it changes from leasehold to share of freehold (essentially) and they get the same bill for the same maintenance work.
    Appointing a good managing agent is the key.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,216
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/

    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    That 2016 "valuation" looks highball to me. But it's true that London property prices are well off their peak. A good thing on balance, I'd say, although it will cause genuine problems for some people.
    Well tough for those who see a property as an asset class and not a place to live.

    The woman in this article is still well ahead on what she paid in 2004. Her expectation is above what the property is worth.
    To be fair with the outrageous charges on leasehold flats and cladding issues, I would expect she has quite a lot further to drop, even if it is saleable
    So Nigel and his admirers are allowed to slag off Sir Keir and Kemi no end (as we see plenty of on here) but the moment Labour are beastly about Nigel then that's utterly beyond the pale?
    Not sure what that is to do with my comment
    I was replying to your previous one!
    Actually Labour should rise above the fray rather than give Farage the attention he desires
    Nah, Labour and the Tories need to rough Nigel up a bit. See how he responds to pressure. It's Nigel's to lose now, so his enemies need to make him one of the many politicians who've flunked it just when glory was in touching distance.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,432
    solarflare said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    StillWaters said:

    Nigelb said:

    Serious LOL

    DISAPPOINTED TO SEE "KING" CHARLES WHO IS AN OVERRATED GUY AND NOT AT ALL ATTRACTIVE BUT WHO I HAD AGREED TO HONOUR WITH A STATE VISIT TO HIS FAILING LITTLE COUNTRY WHICH I LOVE LATER THIS YEAR HAS BEEN DISRESPECTFUL. MIGHT NOT GO NOW!

    I’m assuming that’s a Trump post?

    😂
    I'm assuming its satire.

    It's good satire though.
    No-one can tell with Trump any more. It's pretty much a 50-50 coin toss.
    Yep. His one on Springsteen pretty much ended any hope of satirising him.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,756
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Labour attacks on Farage are getting more shrill. They're clearly shittng themselves

    Anything specific?
    A particularly grumpy Mike Tapp said
    'Nigel Farage is just another rich bloke who is masquerading as a working class hero, and using the flag to act as a patriot when we all know he is not.'
    An even grumpier Torsten Bell the pensions plonker was mouthing off earlier too.

    It's the anger not the words 'How DARE you support him, he's a right shit' styley
    The left simply do not learn

    Same attitude that gave us Brexit
    That attitude - the one you’re deploying there, really gets my goat.

    Politicians of the right spend their every waking hour deriding anyone from the left, calling them traitors or enemies of the people (often with the help of tame newspapers), deluded, class warriors with a chip on their shoulder, out of touch etc etc etc. and they have absolutely zero time for liberal ideology.

    But if a politician of the left doesn’t pay homage and arse kiss the latest populist blowhard (actually even when they do, as Starmer is trying now), they have an “attitude” and haven’t learned. Basically, anyone who doesn’t just fully agree with the Farage world view is accused of bad attitude.

    That's not how politics works. It’s not the duty of non-right wingers to indulge the far right. If Labour members are finally showing a modicum of fightback rather than appeasement then it’s not before time.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    williamglenn said:

    Nigelb said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1927390982061842822

    What Vladimir Putin doesn't realize is that if it weren't for me, lots of really bad things would have already happened to Russia, and I mean REALLY BAD. He's playing with fire!

    So he's been protecting Russia ?
    No different to under Biden. The US doesn't want the gloves taken off because they're afraid of escalation.
    Lies.

    Biden consistently supplied Ukraine with arms, the only time it got paused was when the Republicans at Donald's urging blocked them.

    Trump cut off the supply of both arms and intelligence to Ukraine.

    Completely different.
    Do you genuinely not believe that Biden placed restrictions on what the Ukrainians could do with American weapons?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,645
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    williamglenn said:

    Nigelb said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1927390982061842822

    What Vladimir Putin doesn't realize is that if it weren't for me, lots of really bad things would have already happened to Russia, and I mean REALLY BAD. He's playing with fire!

    So he's been protecting Russia ?
    No different to under Biden. The US doesn't want the gloves taken off because they're afraid of escalation.
    Lies.

    Biden consistently supplied Ukraine with arms, the only time it got paused was when the Republicans at Donald's urging blocked them.

    Trump cut off the supply of both arms and intelligence to Ukraine.

    Completely different.
    Just the usual william deflection.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,035
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/

    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    That 2016 "valuation" looks highball to me. But it's true that London property prices are well off their peak. A good thing on balance, I'd say, although it will cause genuine problems for some people.
    Well tough for those who see a property as an asset class and not a place to live.

    The woman in this article is still well ahead on what she paid in 2004. Her expectation is above what the property is worth.
    To be fair with the outrageous charges on leasehold flats and cladding issues, I would expect she has quite a lot further to drop, even if it is saleable
    So Nigel and his admirers are allowed to slag off Sir Keir and Kemi no end (as we see plenty of on here) but the moment Labour are beastly about Nigel then that's utterly beyond the pale?
    Not sure what that is to do with my comment
    I was replying to your previous one!
    Actually Labour should rise above the fray rather than give Farage the attention he desires
    Nah, Labour and the Tories need to rough Nigel up a bit. See how he responds to pressure. It's Nigel's to lose now, so his enemies need to make him one of the many politicians who've flunked it just when glory was in touching distance.
    They probably need to stop treating him like he's LOTO. You're meant to earn that by a bit more effort than polling well for 6 months
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,480
    williamglenn said:

    BartholomewRoberts said:

    williamglenn said:

    Nigelb said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1927390982061842822

    What Vladimir Putin doesn't realize is that if it weren't for me, lots of really bad things would have already happened to Russia, and I mean REALLY BAD. He's playing with fire!

    So he's been protecting Russia ?
    No different to under Biden. The US doesn't want the gloves taken off because they're afraid of escalation.
    Lies.

    Biden consistently supplied Ukraine with arms, the only time it got paused was when the Republicans at Donald's urging blocked them.

    Trump cut off the supply of both arms and intelligence to Ukraine.

    Completely different.
    Do you genuinely not believe that Biden placed restrictions on what the Ukrainians could do with American weapons?
    Yes he did.

    Do you genuinely not believe that there is a difference between supplying aid and intelligence, albeit with conditions, and cutting off the flow of aid and intelligence?
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 11,320
    Taz said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/

    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    That 2016 "valuation" looks highball to me. But it's true that London property prices are well off their peak. A good thing on balance, I'd say, although it will cause genuine problems for some people.
    Well tough for those who see a property as an asset class and not a place to live.

    The woman in this article is still well ahead on what she paid in 2004. Her expectation is above what the property is worth.
    To be fair with the outrageous charges on leasehold flats and cladding issues, I would expect she has quite a lot further to drop, even if it is saleable
    Well quite. It doesn’t mention how long the lease is either.

    Is 4 grand a year service charge a lot these days for London.

    When I had a flat in Brum I was paying around £1,000 a year but I left in 2000.
    Freehold FTW. Just got to shop around for a good factor.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 25,331
    edited May 27
    BatteryCorrectHorse said:

    Elon Musk has been promising full self driving every year since 2015.

    I’m not sure if many people here work in the software engineering industry but the term is vapourware.

    Elon promising robotaxis "next year" since 2014

    https://bsky.app/profile/consumerhorse.bsky.social/post/3lpwsc5r2zk2h
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,526
    Nigelb said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1927390982061842822

    What Vladimir Putin doesn't realize is that if it weren't for me, lots of really bad things would have already happened to Russia, and I mean REALLY BAD. He's playing with fire!

    So he's been protecting Russia ?
    Whilst Trump has fucked around in pursuit of his Nobel Peace Prize, lots of really bad things have already happened to the poor Ukrainians...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 36,568
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    Reading for the morning

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167629625000499
    https://bsky.app/profile/volts.wtf/post/3lpu6ksru3k2h

    For all those of you who mentioned the bsky link above, please note the writer uses "IRA" to mean the "Inflation Reduction Act", not the "Irish Republican Army"
    I was trying to work out what he meant by it, without success until now.
  • isamisam Posts: 42,264
    One of the strangest accounts on X is ‘Parody Keir Starmer’ /@parody_PM… parody accounts are usually ridiculously exaggerated caricatures of their subject, with posts crafted to make them look bad, but this one is a fan of Starmer’s and just criticises other politicians or those who don’t vote Labour.

  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,480
    wooliedyed said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Labour attacks on Farage are getting more shrill. They're clearly shittng themselves

    Anything specific?
    A particularly grumpy Mike Tapp said
    'Nigel Farage is just another rich bloke who is masquerading as a working class hero, and using the flag to act as a patriot when we all know he is not.'
    An even grumpier Torsten Bell the pensions plonker was mouthing off earlier too.

    It's the anger not the words 'How DARE you support him, he's a right shit' styley
    To be fair, he is a right shit.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,756
    edited May 27
    wooliedyed said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/

    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    That 2016 "valuation" looks highball to me. But it's true that London property prices are well off their peak. A good thing on balance, I'd say, although it will cause genuine problems for some people.
    Well tough for those who see a property as an asset class and not a place to live.

    The woman in this article is still well ahead on what she paid in 2004. Her expectation is above what the property is worth.
    To be fair with the outrageous charges on leasehold flats and cladding issues, I would expect she has quite a lot further to drop, even if it is saleable
    So Nigel and his admirers are allowed to slag off Sir Keir and Kemi no end (as we see plenty of on here) but the moment Labour are beastly about Nigel then that's utterly beyond the pale?
    Not sure what that is to do with my comment
    I was replying to your previous one!
    Actually Labour should rise above the fray rather than give Farage the attention he desires
    Nah, Labour and the Tories need to rough Nigel up a bit. See how he responds to pressure. It's Nigel's to lose now, so his enemies need to make him one of the many politicians who've flunked it just when glory was in touching distance.
    They probably need to stop treating him like he's LOTO. You're meant to earn that by a bit more effort than polling well for 6 months
    They are certainly showing too much respect and trying too hard to triangulate, yet at the same time not really preparing for all-out political war. It reminds me of the Tory and Labour attitude to the SNP in the years before 2015.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 25,480
    isam said:

    One of the strangest accounts on X is ‘Parody Keir Starmer’ /@parody_PM… parody accounts are usually ridiculously exaggerated caricatures of their subject, with posts crafted to make them look bad, but this one is a fan of Starmer’s and just criticises other politicians or those who don’t vote Labour.

    It is probably a die-hard Labour voter who created the account when the Tories were in office and was parodying their leader, in the way you describe, but then the parties switched and the name doesn't really work with their beliefs anymore.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,239
    Dopermean said:

    Barnesian said:

    Taz said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/

    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    That 2016 "valuation" looks highball to me. But it's true that London property prices are well off their peak. A good thing on balance, I'd say, although it will cause genuine problems for some people.
    Well tough for those who see a property as an asset class and not a place to live.

    The woman in this article is still well ahead on what she paid in 2004. Her expectation is above what the property is worth.
    To be fair with the outrageous charges on leasehold flats and cladding issues, I would expect she has quite a lot further to drop, even if it is saleable
    Well quite. It doesn’t mention how long the lease is either.

    Is 4 grand a year service charge a lot these days for London.

    When I had a flat in Brum I was paying around £1,000 a year but I left in 2000.
    I pay £4K+ a year on my flat. I think it's worth it.
    It depends how much maintenance work is required on the communal parts. There'll a lot of flat owners disappointed when it changes from leasehold to share of freehold (essentially) and they get the same bill for the same maintenance work.
    Appointing a good managing agent is the key.
    My £4K is £2K for maintenance (cleaning, gardening, porter, insurance, minor repairs, utilities in common areas etc.)
    The other £2K is into a fund for the regular seven year outdoor repairs and maintenance with scaffolding, plus internal decorations of the common areas.
    The freehold is jointly owned through a company of which I am a director. So I help, with the rest of the board, to determine the service charge. It is under control.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,645
    MarqueeMark said:

    Nigelb said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1927390982061842822

    What Vladimir Putin doesn't realize is that if it weren't for me, lots of really bad things would have already happened to Russia, and I mean REALLY BAD. He's playing with fire!

    So he's been protecting Russia ?
    Whilst Trump has fucked around in pursuit of his Nobel Peace Prize, lots of really bad things have already happened to the poor Ukrainians...
    "If I’m president, I will have that war settled in one day, 24 hours."
  • isamisam Posts: 42,264
    BartholomewRoberts said:

    isam said:

    One of the strangest accounts on X is ‘Parody Keir Starmer’ /@parody_PM… parody accounts are usually ridiculously exaggerated caricatures of their subject, with posts crafted to make them look bad, but this one is a fan of Starmer’s and just criticises other politicians or those who don’t vote Labour.

    It is probably a die-hard Labour voter who created the account when the Tories were in office and was parodying their leader, in the way you describe, but then the parties switched and the name doesn't really work with their beliefs anymore.
    I think you are right, but why wouldn’t they just start again with a different name? It looks so stupid
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,526
    Nigelb said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    Nigelb said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1927390982061842822

    What Vladimir Putin doesn't realize is that if it weren't for me, lots of really bad things would have already happened to Russia, and I mean REALLY BAD. He's playing with fire!

    So he's been protecting Russia ?
    Whilst Trump has fucked around in pursuit of his Nobel Peace Prize, lots of really bad things have already happened to the poor Ukrainians...
    "If I’m president, I will have that war settled in one day, 24 hours."
    For that to happen, he needed to be President of Russia...
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,035
    isam said:

    One of the strangest accounts on X is ‘Parody Keir Starmer’ /@parody_PM… parody accounts are usually ridiculously exaggerated caricatures of their subject, with posts crafted to make them look bad, but this one is a fan of Starmer’s and just criticises other politicians or those who don’t vote Labour.

    Or Larry The Cat who's just a bloke who really hates Tories and Reform
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,270
    TimS said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Labour attacks on Farage are getting more shrill. They're clearly shittng themselves

    Anything specific?
    A particularly grumpy Mike Tapp said
    'Nigel Farage is just another rich bloke who is masquerading as a working class hero, and using the flag to act as a patriot when we all know he is not.'
    An even grumpier Torsten Bell the pensions plonker was mouthing off earlier too.

    It's the anger not the words 'How DARE you support him, he's a right shit' styley
    The left simply do not learn

    Same attitude that gave us Brexit
    That attitude - the one you’re deploying there, really gets my goat.

    Politicians of the right spend their every waking hour deriding anyone from the left, calling them traitors or enemies of the people (often with the help of tame newspapers), deluded, class warriors with a chip on their shoulder, out of touch etc etc etc. and they have absolutely zero time for liberal ideology.

    But if a politician of the left doesn’t pay homage and arse kiss the latest populist blowhard (actually even when they do, as Starmer is trying now), they have an “attitude” and haven’t learned. Basically, anyone who doesn’t just fully agree with the Farage world view is accused of bad attitude.

    That's not how politics works. It’s not the duty of non-right wingers to indulge the far right. If Labour members are finally showing a modicum of fightback rather than appeasement then it’s not before time.

    I do not want to 'touch a nerve' but if those opposing Farage do not address why he is the one politician making the agenda then he will be PM just as we had Brexit and Trump

    For clarification the last thing I want to see is PM Farage, and I still maintain it is unlikely but it is not impossible
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,432
    TimS said:

    kinabalu said:

    TimS said:

    kinabalu said:

    It's hard to assess value in these US markets given the timeframe and the uncertainties around Trump. What about the "impeach" market though? It's 2.4 he is and 1.7 he isn't. I have a feeling one of those is a stonking bet but I can't decide which.

    It’s essentially a proxy for the midterms house and senate market. Not sure the maths is that easy for the Democrats in the Senate.
    Mainly the House though, I think? It's them who decide whether to do it.
    Yes you’re right, it’s conviction they do in the senate. In which case it looks like a no brainer.
    They'll have about a hundred impeachable things to choose from by then. But they might not do it because it could backfire and help him, or because it's pointless. That's all assuming the Senate stays GOP. I do want to bet this market. It's the only US one that appeals to me atm.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,239
    edited May 27
    Trump is more likely to get an Oscar before he gets a Nobel prize.

    Quiz: Which two people have got both an Oscar and a Nobel prize?
    (Without googling).
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 79,645
    .
    TimS said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Labour attacks on Farage are getting more shrill. They're clearly shittng themselves

    Anything specific?
    A particularly grumpy Mike Tapp said
    'Nigel Farage is just another rich bloke who is masquerading as a working class hero, and using the flag to act as a patriot when we all know he is not.'
    An even grumpier Torsten Bell the pensions plonker was mouthing off earlier too.

    It's the anger not the words 'How DARE you support him, he's a right shit' styley
    The left simply do not learn

    Same attitude that gave us Brexit
    That attitude - the one you’re deploying there, really gets my goat.

    Politicians of the right spend their every waking hour deriding anyone from the left, calling them traitors or enemies of the people (often with the help of tame newspapers), deluded, class warriors with a chip on their shoulder, out of touch etc etc etc. and they have absolutely zero time for liberal ideology.

    But if a politician of the left doesn’t pay homage and arse kiss the latest populist blowhard (actually even when they do, as Starmer is trying now), they have an “attitude” and haven’t learned. Basically, anyone who doesn’t just fully agree with the Farage world view is accused of bad attitude.

    That's not how politics works. It’s not the duty of non-right wingers to indulge the far right. If Labour members are finally showing a modicum of fightback rather than appeasement then it’s not before time.

    I think the term, which the right invented, is 'snowflake'.

    Is there the germ of a fair point in there - that the left and liberals have paid insufficient attention to concerns like immigration ?
    Perhaps.

    But is it unfair to call Farage another rich bloke posing as all manner of things ?

    Not really.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,216
    Barnesian said:

    Trump is more likely to get an Oscar before he gets a Nobel prize.

    Quiz: Which two people have got both an Oscar and a Nobel prize?
    (Without googling).

    Bob Dylan?
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,239
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Barnesian said:

    Trump is more likely to get an Oscar before he gets a Nobel prize.

    Quiz: Which two people have got both an Oscar and a Nobel prize?
    (Without googling).

    Bob Dylan?
    Correct. That's one.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 15,756
    edited May 27
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TimS said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Labour attacks on Farage are getting more shrill. They're clearly shittng themselves

    Anything specific?
    A particularly grumpy Mike Tapp said
    'Nigel Farage is just another rich bloke who is masquerading as a working class hero, and using the flag to act as a patriot when we all know he is not.'
    An even grumpier Torsten Bell the pensions plonker was mouthing off earlier too.

    It's the anger not the words 'How DARE you support him, he's a right shit' styley
    The left simply do not learn

    Same attitude that gave us Brexit
    That attitude - the one you’re deploying there, really gets my goat.

    Politicians of the right spend their every waking hour deriding anyone from the left, calling them traitors or enemies of the people (often with the help of tame newspapers), deluded, class warriors with a chip on their shoulder, out of touch etc etc etc. and they have absolutely zero time for liberal ideology.

    But if a politician of the left doesn’t pay homage and arse kiss the latest populist blowhard (actually even when they do, as Starmer is trying now), they have an “attitude” and haven’t learned. Basically, anyone who doesn’t just fully agree with the Farage world view is accused of bad attitude.

    That's not how politics works. It’s not the duty of non-right wingers to indulge the far right. If Labour members are finally showing a modicum of fightback rather than appeasement then it’s not before time.

    I do not want to 'touch a nerve' but if those opposing Farage do not address why he is the one politician making the agenda then he will be PM just as we had Brexit and Trump

    For clarification the last thing I want to see is PM Farage, and I still maintain it is unlikely but it is not impossible
    I don’t believe you’d have felt the same about Conservatives needing to channel Corbynism after 2017, when he did significantly better than Farage is now doing. Or indeed that Boris needed to address why the Lib Dems were doing well in local elections over Brexit.

    Or that Tories needed to accept the strong desire of Scots for independence and grant a new referendum, when the SNP were the actual majority party in Holyrood.

    No, in each case they went in hard, and ultimately it paid off.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,035
    Barnesian said:

    Trump is more likely to get an Oscar before he gets a Nobel prize.

    Quiz: Which two people have got both an Oscar and a Nobel prize?
    (Without googling).

    Sea Biscuit
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 46,432
    edited May 27
    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/

    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    That 2016 "valuation" looks highball to me. But it's true that London property prices are well off their peak. A good thing on balance, I'd say, although it will cause genuine problems for some people.
    Well tough for those who see a property as an asset class and not a place to live.

    The woman in this article is still well ahead on what she paid in 2004. Her expectation is above what the property is worth.
    Yes I'm agreeing. But a continued slump will hurt some "innocents" in London. Eg people who've bought their first place recently with a close to 100% mortgage that they can only just afford.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,944
    Barnesian said:

    Taz said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/

    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    That 2016 "valuation" looks highball to me. But it's true that London property prices are well off their peak. A good thing on balance, I'd say, although it will cause genuine problems for some people.
    Well tough for those who see a property as an asset class and not a place to live.

    The woman in this article is still well ahead on what she paid in 2004. Her expectation is above what the property is worth.
    To be fair with the outrageous charges on leasehold flats and cladding issues, I would expect she has quite a lot further to drop, even if it is saleable
    Well quite. It doesn’t mention how long the lease is either.

    Is 4 grand a year service charge a lot these days for London.

    When I had a flat in Brum I was paying around £1,000 a year but I left in 2000.
    I pay £4K+ a year on my flat. I think it's worth it.

    What do you get for that ?

    Is it capped or can it rise by any amount each year ?

    I guess the answer to my question depends on what you get for it.

  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,082
    wooliedyed said:

    Pagan2 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Labour attacks on Farage are getting more shrill. They're clearly shittng themselves

    Well they are only margin of error amounts from being lib dem levels of support
    Yes. REFORM - LD - CON - GREEN - LAB is the money shot poll order
    If it was that, depending on the numbers of course, Reform and Con might split the right wing vote, Lab and Green vote tactically and enter Ed Davey P.M.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,239
    wooliedyed said:

    Barnesian said:

    Trump is more likely to get an Oscar before he gets a Nobel prize.

    Quiz: Which two people have got both an Oscar and a Nobel prize?
    (Without googling).

    Sea Biscuit
    :smile:
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,035
    logical_song said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Pagan2 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Labour attacks on Farage are getting more shrill. They're clearly shittng themselves

    Well they are only margin of error amounts from being lib dem levels of support
    Yes. REFORM - LD - CON - GREEN - LAB is the money shot poll order
    If it was that, depending on the numbers of course, Reform and Con might split the right wing vote, Lab and Green vote tactically and enter Ed Davey P.M.
    The Hobby Horse parliament 29-34
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,366
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/

    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    That 2016 "valuation" looks highball to me. But it's true that London property prices are well off their peak. A good thing on balance, I'd say, although it will cause genuine problems for some people.
    Well tough for those who see a property as an asset class and not a place to live.

    The woman in this article is still well ahead on what she paid in 2004. Her expectation is above what the property is worth.
    To be fair with the outrageous charges on leasehold flats and cladding issues, I would expect she has quite a lot further to drop, even if it is saleable
    So Nigel and his admirers are allowed to slag off Sir Keir and Kemi no end (as we see plenty of on here) but the moment Labour are beastly about Nigel then that's utterly beyond the pale?
    Not sure what that is to do with my comment
    I was replying to your previous one!
    Actually Labour should rise above the fray rather than give Farage the attention he desires
    And the BBC should give him the amount of attention they give the Green Party, not run to him every time there's an issue he wants to talk about.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,944
    edited May 27
    wooliedyed said:

    isam said:

    One of the strangest accounts on X is ‘Parody Keir Starmer’ /@parody_PM… parody accounts are usually ridiculously exaggerated caricatures of their subject, with posts crafted to make them look bad, but this one is a fan of Starmer’s and just criticises other politicians or those who don’t vote Labour.

    Or Larry The Cat who's just a bloke who really hates Tories and Reform
    He’s a tedious prick who I’ve happily blocked on Twitter.

    The sort of clown who should have gone to Bluesky
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,270
    TimS said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TimS said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Labour attacks on Farage are getting more shrill. They're clearly shittng themselves

    Anything specific?
    A particularly grumpy Mike Tapp said
    'Nigel Farage is just another rich bloke who is masquerading as a working class hero, and using the flag to act as a patriot when we all know he is not.'
    An even grumpier Torsten Bell the pensions plonker was mouthing off earlier too.

    It's the anger not the words 'How DARE you support him, he's a right shit' styley
    The left simply do not learn

    Same attitude that gave us Brexit
    That attitude - the one you’re deploying there, really gets my goat.

    Politicians of the right spend their every waking hour deriding anyone from the left, calling them traitors or enemies of the people (often with the help of tame newspapers), deluded, class warriors with a chip on their shoulder, out of touch etc etc etc. and they have absolutely zero time for liberal ideology.

    But if a politician of the left doesn’t pay homage and arse kiss the latest populist blowhard (actually even when they do, as Starmer is trying now), they have an “attitude” and haven’t learned. Basically, anyone who doesn’t just fully agree with the Farage world view is accused of bad attitude.

    That's not how politics works. It’s not the duty of non-right wingers to indulge the far right. If Labour members are finally showing a modicum of fightback rather than appeasement then it’s not before time.

    I do not want to 'touch a nerve' but if those opposing Farage do not address why he is the one politician making the agenda then he will be PM just as we had Brexit and Trump

    For clarification the last thing I want to see is PM Farage, and I still maintain it is unlikely but it is not impossible
    I don’t believe you’d have felt the same about Conservatives needing to channel Corbynism after 2017, when he did significantly better than Farage is now doing. Or indeed that Boris needed to address why the Lib Dems were doing well in local elections over Brexit.

    No, they went in hard, and ultimately it paid off handsomely.
    Farage's speech today was a challenge to all the parties and the media are giving him lots of exposure

    Maybe his frankness has something to do with it

    When asked how he will pay for the accommodation for asylum seekers his answer was as you would expect

    'There won't be any. Australia successfully stopped the problem and so will we'
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,239
    Taz said:

    Barnesian said:

    Taz said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/

    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    That 2016 "valuation" looks highball to me. But it's true that London property prices are well off their peak. A good thing on balance, I'd say, although it will cause genuine problems for some people.
    Well tough for those who see a property as an asset class and not a place to live.

    The woman in this article is still well ahead on what she paid in 2004. Her expectation is above what the property is worth.
    To be fair with the outrageous charges on leasehold flats and cladding issues, I would expect she has quite a lot further to drop, even if it is saleable
    Well quite. It doesn’t mention how long the lease is either.

    Is 4 grand a year service charge a lot these days for London.

    When I had a flat in Brum I was paying around £1,000 a year but I left in 2000.
    I pay £4K+ a year on my flat. I think it's worth it.

    What do you get for that ?

    Is it capped or can it rise by any amount each year ?

    I guess the answer to my question depends on what you get for it.

    See my response at 5:48.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,723
    noneoftheabove said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/


    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/156078164#/?channel=RES_BUY

    725 was a crazy estate agent price. Suspect it will sell within 5% of the 575.

    Global tracker would have massively outperformed, even a FTSE tracker reinvested would have done.
    Including the money saved on rent by living there?
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,944
    isam said:

    One of the strangest accounts on X is ‘Parody Keir Starmer’ /@parody_PM… parody accounts are usually ridiculously exaggerated caricatures of their subject, with posts crafted to make them look bad, but this one is a fan of Starmer’s and just criticises other politicians or those who don’t vote Labour.

    Parody accounts are usually people just being twats, but claim a parody account to excuse their twattishness.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,035
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TimS said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    TimS said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Labour attacks on Farage are getting more shrill. They're clearly shittng themselves

    Anything specific?
    A particularly grumpy Mike Tapp said
    'Nigel Farage is just another rich bloke who is masquerading as a working class hero, and using the flag to act as a patriot when we all know he is not.'
    An even grumpier Torsten Bell the pensions plonker was mouthing off earlier too.

    It's the anger not the words 'How DARE you support him, he's a right shit' styley
    The left simply do not learn

    Same attitude that gave us Brexit
    That attitude - the one you’re deploying there, really gets my goat.

    Politicians of the right spend their every waking hour deriding anyone from the left, calling them traitors or enemies of the people (often with the help of tame newspapers), deluded, class warriors with a chip on their shoulder, out of touch etc etc etc. and they have absolutely zero time for liberal ideology.

    But if a politician of the left doesn’t pay homage and arse kiss the latest populist blowhard (actually even when they do, as Starmer is trying now), they have an “attitude” and haven’t learned. Basically, anyone who doesn’t just fully agree with the Farage world view is accused of bad attitude.

    That's not how politics works. It’s not the duty of non-right wingers to indulge the far right. If Labour members are finally showing a modicum of fightback rather than appeasement then it’s not before time.

    I do not want to 'touch a nerve' but if those opposing Farage do not address why he is the one politician making the agenda then he will be PM just as we had Brexit and Trump

    For clarification the last thing I want to see is PM Farage, and I still maintain it is unlikely but it is not impossible
    I don’t believe you’d have felt the same about Conservatives needing to channel Corbynism after 2017, when he did significantly better than Farage is now doing. Or indeed that Boris needed to address why the Lib Dems were doing well in local elections over Brexit.

    No, they went in hard, and ultimately it paid off handsomely.
    Farage's speech today was a challenge to all the parties and the media are giving him lots of exposure

    Maybe his frankness has something to do with it

    When asked how he will pay for the accommodation for asylum seekers his answer was as you would expect

    'There won't be any. Australia successfully stopped the problem and so will we'
    I tuned out once he said the money would partly be coming from Quango savings.
    Fucking idiot.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 769
    wooliedyed said:

    Barnesian said:

    Trump is more likely to get an Oscar before he gets a Nobel prize.

    Quiz: Which two people have got both an Oscar and a Nobel prize?
    (Without googling).

    Sea Biscuit
    Bob Dylan and George Bernard Shaw.
  • TazTaz Posts: 19,944
    Barnesian said:

    Taz said:

    Barnesian said:

    Taz said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    carnforth said:

    Taz said:

    Worlds smallest violin time

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/property/buying-selling/london-flat-nightmare-cant-sell/

    "She bought her two-bedroom leasehold flat in West Hampstead, in a converted synagogue, in 2004 for £350,000. By 2016, the flat had been given a valuation of £800,000, so Davidson assumed that she was well on her way to making a healthy profit.

    But after putting her property on the market for £725,000 last year – the amount an estate agent told her it was worth – she was unable to secure a sale."

    Diddums.
    That 2016 "valuation" looks highball to me. But it's true that London property prices are well off their peak. A good thing on balance, I'd say, although it will cause genuine problems for some people.
    Well tough for those who see a property as an asset class and not a place to live.

    The woman in this article is still well ahead on what she paid in 2004. Her expectation is above what the property is worth.
    To be fair with the outrageous charges on leasehold flats and cladding issues, I would expect she has quite a lot further to drop, even if it is saleable
    Well quite. It doesn’t mention how long the lease is either.

    Is 4 grand a year service charge a lot these days for London.

    When I had a flat in Brum I was paying around £1,000 a year but I left in 2000.
    I pay £4K+ a year on my flat. I think it's worth it.

    What do you get for that ?

    Is it capped or can it rise by any amount each year ?

    I guess the answer to my question depends on what you get for it.

    See my response at 5:48.
    Thank you for that 👍
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 13,035
    SandraMc said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Barnesian said:

    Trump is more likely to get an Oscar before he gets a Nobel prize.

    Quiz: Which two people have got both an Oscar and a Nobel prize?
    (Without googling).

    Sea Biscuit
    Bob Dylan and George Bernard Shaw.
    And sea biscuit?!
    *Anakin and Padme meme*
    And sea biscuit. Right?
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