Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. Sign in or register to get started.

Doing unto Others – politicalbetting.com

24567

Comments

  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,612

    Re the header, yes, it is scandalous that compensation has been delayed to the point money is saved by people dying before being paid, as in the contaminated blood and Post Office cases.

    The position on wrongful convictions is shameful. Both in denying compensation and in not even investigating and reversing them in a timely manner.

    The case might be undermined by some recent awards for less impactful events, especially as news reports can be misleading. £30,000 for being compared to Darth Vader, for instance. There is an element of if you want to win the lottery, play the lottery.

    If anyone wishes to compare me to Darth Vader I'm quite happy to take it on the chin at a 90% discount, £3,000 will be plenty.

    Re the header, yes, it is scandalous that compensation has been delayed to the point money is saved by people dying before being paid, as in the contaminated blood and Post Office cases.

    The position on wrongful convictions is shameful. Both in denying compensation and in not even investigating and reversing them in a timely manner.

    The case might be undermined by some recent awards for less impactful events, especially as news reports can be misleading. £30,000 for being compared to Darth Vader, for instance. There is an element of if you want to win the lottery, play the lottery.

    If anyone wishes to compare me to Darth Vader I'm quite happy to take it on the chin at a 90% discount, £3,000 will be plenty.
    I would object very strongly to being compared to Darth Vader. He is chronically incompetent.
    For £3,000 I can be as incompetent as you fancy.....
    You don't think your incompetence is worth more than £3,000?

    I find your lack of faith disturbing.
    Darth Vader fucked up multiple times on a PostOffice * orders of magnitude level. That kind of incompetence is usually priced at several million a year, plus golden hello, plus golden goodbye
    , plus share options.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,372

    Nigelb said:

    Further to the seven Sevenoaks councillors resignation story, FPT.

    Drama at Sevenoaks District Council's Annual Meeting.
    First the Tory Leader's nomination for Vice Chair was defeated by another Conservative - put forward by a councillor just deposed from the Cabinet and seconded by a Liberal Democrat...

    https://x.com/tonysclayton/status/1923163377653760288

    Anyone know what's going on ?
    Council now NOC.

    Ferrets, sack, fighting?
    Well, yes.
    But the circumstances - seven resigning the whip - are intriguing, given the current position of the Tories nationally.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,612
    Sean_F said:

    A depressing, but unsurprising, header. I too had thought compensation for miscarriages of justice was automatic.

    I find your faith in the system intriguing.

    Would you like to invest in a scheme I am putting together? - it combines NFTs, crypto, novel physics, novel physics space launch, AI, timeshares in Spain and riverfront land on the Thames (low tide). You would seem to be an ideal fit as investor.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,612
    Nigelb said:

    Nigelb said:

    Further to the seven Sevenoaks councillors resignation story, FPT.

    Drama at Sevenoaks District Council's Annual Meeting.
    First the Tory Leader's nomination for Vice Chair was defeated by another Conservative - put forward by a councillor just deposed from the Cabinet and seconded by a Liberal Democrat...

    https://x.com/tonysclayton/status/1923163377653760288

    Anyone know what's going on ?
    Council now NOC.

    Ferrets, sack, fighting?
    Well, yes.
    But the circumstances - seven resigning the whip - are intriguing, given the current position of the Tories nationally.
    It's when there is a lot of water in the sack, indicating a low lying position relative to the local water table, that the fighting in the sack gets particularly intense.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,620
    Nigelb said:

    This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.

    NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
    Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.

    The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.

    “The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.

    “This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...

    £58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,372

    Sean_F said:

    A depressing, but unsurprising, header. I too had thought compensation for miscarriages of justice was automatic.

    I find your faith in the system intriguing.

    Would you like to invest in a scheme I am putting together? - it combines NFTs, crypto, novel physics, novel physics space launch, AI, timeshares in Spain and riverfront land on the Thames (low tide). You would seem to be an ideal fit as investor.
    Is there a large, branded hotel tower involved too ?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 54,017

    Re the header, yes, it is scandalous that compensation has been delayed to the point money is saved by people dying before being paid, as in the contaminated blood and Post Office cases.

    The position on wrongful convictions is shameful. Both in denying compensation and in not even investigating and reversing them in a timely manner.

    The case might be undermined by some recent awards for less impactful events, especially as news reports can be misleading. £30,000 for being compared to Darth Vader, for instance. There is an element of if you want to win the lottery, play the lottery.

    If anyone wishes to compare me to Darth Vader I'm quite happy to take it on the chin at a 90% discount, £3,000 will be plenty.

    Re the header, yes, it is scandalous that compensation has been delayed to the point money is saved by people dying before being paid, as in the contaminated blood and Post Office cases.

    The position on wrongful convictions is shameful. Both in denying compensation and in not even investigating and reversing them in a timely manner.

    The case might be undermined by some recent awards for less impactful events, especially as news reports can be misleading. £30,000 for being compared to Darth Vader, for instance. There is an element of if you want to win the lottery, play the lottery.

    If anyone wishes to compare me to Darth Vader I'm quite happy to take it on the chin at a 90% discount, £3,000 will be plenty.
    I would object very strongly to being compared to Darth Vader. He is chronically incompetent.
    Darth Vader: [begin force-choke] "I find your lack of faith disturbing!"
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,612
    Nigelb said:

    Sean_F said:

    A depressing, but unsurprising, header. I too had thought compensation for miscarriages of justice was automatic.

    I find your faith in the system intriguing.

    Would you like to invest in a scheme I am putting together? - it combines NFTs, crypto, novel physics, novel physics space launch, AI, timeshares in Spain and riverfront land on the Thames (low tide). You would seem to be an ideal fit as investor.
    Is there a large, branded hotel tower involved too ?
    That’s in a separate scheme, for the kind of investors who are reassured by assets having existence.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,428

    Nigelb said:

    This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.

    NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
    Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.

    The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.

    “The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.

    “This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...

    £58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.
    What's the award these days for a lifelong disability from botched childbirth ? That'll make up a largish proportion of the figure I'd guess.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,236
    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138

    Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,620
    edited May 16

    Nigelb said:

    This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.

    NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
    Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.

    The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.

    “The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.

    “This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...

    £58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.
    What's going on is babies...

    “But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”

    The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety

    Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?

    ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,425
    edited May 16

    Worse is perhaps to come. In Sunday’s runoff, Romanians will vote for either Mr. Simion or Nicusor Dan, an independent candidate who scored 21 percent of the first-round vote. This race is tighter, but barring a surge in turnout, Mr. Simion looks likely to become the country’s next president.

    Romania Is About to Experience Disaster
    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/16/opinion/romania-election-simion-dan.html

    The courts will just kick Simion out if he wins, won't they? Like they did with the last fucker whose name I can't remember.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,372

    Nigelb said:

    This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.

    NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
    Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.

    The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.

    “The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.

    “This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...

    £58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.
    That's accumulated liability, not annual.

    Yearly cash payments in compensation are currently running just short of £3bn - but clearly if the blood scandal victims alone were fully compensated, that figure (which presumably includes some provision for their cases) would rise rather a lot.

    As we've seen with the blood scandal, cases can go back several decades. And even individual cases (see the description of the state of maternity care at the link) are likely to take a number of years to go through the courts, if not immediately settled.

    Underfunding of essential departments like maternity care leads inevitably to medical errors, and infants can suffer lifetime damage, which will cost a great deal of money in compensation.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,425
    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Thought: Reform are just two gifted politicians from government


    The polls are pretty clear now. The people have had enough of Lab and Con. They are absolutely hacked off with ALL immigration - a lot of them want remigration

    The only party positioned to benefit from this is Reform. BUT Reform have one massive problem - they are entirely reliant on Farage. With him gone - and he’s not a young man - they’d be screwed

    However if they can find just a couple of good, younger politicians - a Sturgeon to Farage’s Salmond - then they will be well set

    My mind turns to Jenrick. He’s increasingly capable. He’s excellent on social media. He’s sharp and punchy and he agrees with Reform on the culture war issues

    In return he must be tempted to defect if Reform look like winning. He’d go straight to the top (under Farage) and be the likely next prime minister if/when Farage goes

    Then they need one more. A spare for the heir

    Sorted

    Farage won't tolerate a rival, Jenrick included. Tice would also fancy himself as heir apparent for Reform if Farage ever did go again, after all Tice was Reform leader until Farage returned.

    Jenrick's best bet is for Farage to fail to become PM at the next GE and Kemi if she survives as Tory leader or Stride or Cleverly if she doesn't to also lose, then he is best placed to become Conservative leader and unite the right again. Ideally against a Labour and LD government so he has opposition to himself
    And what if the polls in 2027 are the same as now? Reform around 30 or more, Tories in the teens

    Then Jenrick is fucked and he needs to defect

    Farage by then will need an heir. He's a cunning politician and presumably cunning enough to know he's gotta secure a legacy, he can only do that by recruiting younger politicians able to take over
    Why? Jenrick would neither replace Farage as leader or Tice as heir and there are younger councillors in Reform like Jaymey McIvor who also have longterm ambitions.

    If the Tories are in the teens by late next year either Jenrick replaces Kemi as Tory leader anyway, or Tory MPs replace her with Stride or Cleverly and Jenrick becomes heir apparent as Tory leader if they too lose and if Farage again fails to beat Starmer and become PM he can also start to pick up Reform votes
    You don't seem to understand

    My thesis is that the Tories might be permanently fucked. Doomed. Destroyed. We can but pray

    The polls - and the recent elections - are pointing that way. What does an ambitious political man like Jenrick do then? And he is nothing if not ambitious. What's the point in being leader of the next Lib Dems? The rump of a once great party which will probably never see power again?

    He must bide his time for now, but if the polls look terminal for Tories in 2027 - and great for Reform - then his best bet might be: defect. There must be many Tories thinking this, especially if they look doomed to lose their seats, as Tories - as quite a few do, as things stand

    The latest polls this month even now still have the Tories third on 16%-22%. That is enough to get them 50 odd MPs still under FPTP and 100-150 MPs if we went to PR.

    As I said he would also have to wait in line in Reform, Farage if he wins next time could be leader for another decade, even if he loses and goes Tice is heir apparent and their are younger ambitious candidates in Reform not yet MPs who would also fancy their chances so Jenrick would be at the back of the queue.

    Whereas if he stays in the Tories the membership would now elect him leader over Kemi and even if Tory MPs crowned Cleverly or Stride until the next GE to replace Kemi he would be heir apparent if they lost too

    https://conservativehome.com/2025/03/09/our-survey-if-voting-today-conservative-members-would-just-choose-jenrick-as-leader/
    There is no way Jenners goes to the Fukkers. He would be slumming it with council house dwelling doylums and he couldn't survive the four years until the GE without being fucked over and purged by Farage.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,416
    edited May 16

    FPT:

    Andy_JS said:

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Good morning. New poll.

    "Techne UK
    @techneUK
    ·
    12m
    📊NEW POLL: LATEST WESTMINSTER VOTER INTENTIONS

    Reform 29% (+1)
    Lab 22% (-1)
    Cons 18% (-1)
    Lib Dems 15% (+1)
    Greens 9% (=)
    SNP 2% (-1)
    Others 5% (=)

    👥 1635 Surveyed
    🔎 Field Work: 14th & 15th May 2025
    🗓️ +/- 9th May 2025
    🔗 Data: https://ll.ink/Lb52XT

    #UKPolitics"

    https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1923325941859652075

    Gives Reform 347 MPs and a majority of 44

    https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=N&CON=18&LAB=22&LIB=15&Reform=29&Green=9&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTReform=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2024base
    I don't think they really would win so many seats with 29%.
    Are Reform still in favour of PR?
    Like all the others, until they have a majority from FPTP.
    If the polls look like this 12 months before the GE Labour should just push through PR. Nothing could stop them.
    It would take a lot longer to draw up a new boundary commission and train the electoral staff on whichever method is chosen.
    It would be more principled to do it now, rather than later.

    But moving to STV could be done by lumping current seats together, with the new multi-member seats simply having the number of MPs of the old seats they comprise. That could be done fairly rapidly. Especially as in a multi-member election the boundaries aren’t nearly as critical as they are under FPtP, especially for the larger parties.
  • https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138

    Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"

    I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,372
    Dura_Ace said:

    Worse is perhaps to come. In Sunday’s runoff, Romanians will vote for either Mr. Simion or Nicusor Dan, an independent candidate who scored 21 percent of the first-round vote. This race is tighter, but barring a surge in turnout, Mr. Simion looks likely to become the country’s next president.

    Romania Is About to Experience Disaster
    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/16/opinion/romania-election-simion-dan.html

    The courts will just kick Simion out if he wins, won't they? Like they did with the last fucker whose name I can't remember.
    Probably not.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,163

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138

    Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"

    I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.
    Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,832

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138

    Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"

    I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.
    I'm sure she's not going to lose any sleep not being considered hot by the creep who calls his daughter hot.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,163

    This, on the health care visa, is staggering.

    Cracking piece of investigative journalism.


    UK Visa Scams Squeeze Millions From Would-Be Care Workers
    Recent changes to immigration policy won’t do anything for people who’ve been exploited while seeking jobs in the UK. But they may worsen the care-worker shortage.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2025-05-16/uk-visa-scams-squeeze-millions-from-would-be-care-workers?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTc0NzM2ODE5NywiZXhwIjoxNzQ3OTcyOTk3LCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJTV0M1VUVUMEcxS1cwMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiIwRjUwRTk4NTlCMzk0MDI1QjBBMjMyRDAwQUUwNDI1QSJ9.rQaL0jcu53Q5xTM2gBRunI4U78w5y-uyyq-jDZEnRvE&leadSource=uverify wall

    Self styled scammer hunter and his bodyguard called Sting. Love that pic and that name.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,135

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    HYUFD said:

    vik said:

    "Reform is much more of a threat to Labour in Scotland compared to the rest of the UK, according to pollster Professor Sir John Curtice.
    In an exclusive interview with The Steamie, The Scotsman’s politics podcast, Sir John said the newly-acquired support for Labour in Scotland in last year’s general election is “vulnerable”.
    He says this means Labour are more in danger of losing votes to Nigel Farage’s Reform UK in Scotland, whereas in the rest of the UK most of Reform’s vote is coming from the Conservatives."


    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nigel-farages-reform-is-more-of-a-threat-to-labour-in-scotland-says-professor-sir-john-curtice-5131742

    In last night's Clydebank by election though the SNP vote was down 16% ie down more than the Labour vote which was down 12%
    https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1923301839002378506
    So, roughly 38:62 Nationalist to Unionist and the Nationalist wins. Having only 3 mainstream Unionist parties was obviously not giving the SNP enough of an advantage.
    My point being clearly more SNP voters went Reform than Labour voters in that seat, so Reform was actually taking significant numbers of Nationalist votes, no surprise really as Farage is more in the Salmond nationalist mould than Swinney, who looks and speaks like a mild mannered accountant
    Here’s the link to the detailed breakdown of votes in the Clydebank by-election, showing the reallocation of transferred votes.
    https://www.west-dunbarton.gov.uk/council/newsroom/news/2025/may/new-councillor-for-clydebank-waterfront-ward-following-by-election/
    SCon candidate drops out-> 29.9% of their vote transferred to Reform.
    LibDem candidate drops out-> 8.4% of their vote transferred to Reform.
    SLab candidate drops out-> 11.8% of their vote transferred to Reform.

    Averaging these, approx 15 % of the non-Reform unionist vote (6% ot total vote) open to voting Reform rather than SNP?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,620

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138

    Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"

    I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.
    I'm sure she's not going to lose any sleep not being considered hot by the creep who calls his daughter hot.
    Wasn't there a joke on some US comedy or other where Trump is in the audience and the host is talking about the most powerful person in America and the camera pans to Taylor Swift? The Donald does not like jokes at his expense.
  • .
    Taz said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138

    Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"

    I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.
    Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?
    Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,163
    Andy_JS said:

    Someone mentioned earlier that Sevenoaks Council has suddenly gone from Tory control to no overall control after 7 Conservative councillors resigned. Not sure whether this means they defected to another party.

    Interesting. 3 in Solihull have just quit too.

    The Tories really are in a poor state at the moment.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,612
    Nigelb said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138

    Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"

    Your regular efforts to highlight Trump's misogyny, narcissism and sociopathy are much appreciated.
    Though it is somewhat like pointing out the lack of flatness around Mount Everest.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,499

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138

    Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"

    The smallest man who ever lived.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 786
    Definitely not on topic, At RHS Chelsea Flower Show setting up a stand for a Veterans charity. This guy, Kazuyuki Ishihara, was pointed out to me as he has lots of Japanese helpers with him. Apparently they pay highly to be grunts for a week.

    On a related subject, I hadn’t realised Margaret Thatcher is buried nearby - pushing up daises beside the show.


  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,372

    Nigelb said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138

    Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"

    Your regular efforts to highlight Trump's misogyny, narcissism and sociopathy are much appreciated.
    Though it is somewhat like pointing out the lack of flatness around Mount Everest.
    Credit where it's due, though.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,163
    Talking of Visa scams I remember this story on Sky News.

    From last year.

    A 45 year old man, his wife and four kids, paid to come here and work in care and had no work when he got here.

    Hard bit to feel,sorry for him but at his age, with five economically inactive dependents, how on earth was the Boriswave enabling this a good thing ?
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,211
    edited May 16
    Leon said:

    Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree

    1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate

    2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters

    3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital

    Manners, please, gentlemen

    A lot of those bemoaning the length of cyclefree's headers are also the ones bemoaning an uninformed electorate just saying
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,372
    Completely OT, this is quite an interesting article on the Chinese J-10C fighter.
    It's possible that the recent India/Pakistan clash will provide vital intelligence for (amongst other things) the future defence of Taiwan, the ignorance about Chinese air to air missiles is likely to be dispelled - with at least one recovered virtually intact by India.

    https://www.twz.com/air/chinas-j-10c-fighter-separating-myth-from-reality
    ...Another aspect that could have played into the potential success of the J-10C is the fact that India likely has a much better understanding of how AMRAAM works and is therefore better able to optimize countermeasures for it, compared with the PL-15, and particularly the PL-15E export model.

    Bronk continues: “The ability of the Rafale’s onboard electronic countermeasures system and radar warning receiver to potentially detect an incoming missile seeker and/or respond to try and improve the effectiveness of missile defeat maneuvers through ECM is potentially lower against the PL-15 than against AMRAAM, just by dint of the fact that there may be less known about it.”..
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,620
    Andy_JS said:

    If the Tories hit 12% in the polls I wonder if Kemi might leave her post voluntarily? Sometimes you have to admit it just isn't working.

    It is possible Kemi does stand down, and then the Tories can elect Cleverly or Jenrick to be leader for the 2 or 3 years that most recent Conservative leaders last, and then elect yet another new leader in 2028 ready for the 2029 election.

    Kemi needs to sack her PMQs team. She is making the same errors week after week after week. Take this question from Wednesday:-

    I am very happy to welcome the Prime Minister’s tiny tariff deal, but the fact is that it has put us in a worse position than we were in in March. He should not over-egg the pudding.

    Let us talk about how things are getting worse now. In every month of this year, household names like Sainsbury’s, Tesco, Asda and Santander have cut staff numbers. The Office for National Statistics estimates that there are 100,000 fewer jobs than there were a year ago—and that was before the Prime Minister’s jobs tax, which will make things worse. Can he promise the House that by this time next year, unemployment will be lower than it is today?


    As ever, Kemi talks about one thing, then pivots to something unrelated which is the meat of her question, but Starmer ignores that and answers the irrelevant preamble about the trade deal because it is easier for him.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,416
    edited May 16
    Andy_JS said:

    Someone mentioned earlier that Sevenoaks Council has suddenly gone from Tory control to no overall control after 7 Conservative councillors resigned. Not sure whether this means they defected to another party.

    They’ve quit to independent. Most likely as a staging post toward joining Reform, their realising that their “safe” Tory wards are no longer safe.

    Don’t underestimate the number of councillors there are who are essentially non-political people, who simply joined the dominant political party in their patch because they knew it would deliver them a ward without having to trouble themselves with much activity or campaigning, and allow them to sit on their council and pontificate on local affairs for as long as they liked.

    Now that the Tory party can’t deliver, it isn’t any surprise that a lot of them are starting to review their options.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,428
    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Someone mentioned earlier that Sevenoaks Council has suddenly gone from Tory control to no overall control after 7 Conservative councillors resigned. Not sure whether this means they defected to another party.

    They’ve quit to independent. Most likely as a staging post toward joining Reform, their realising that their “safe” Tory wards are no longer safe.

    Apparently it "brought them no pleasure" to do what they did.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,211

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138

    Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"

    I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.
    I would climb over....might just stop for a hour or two mid climb to get my breath back then decide I couldn't climb further
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,372
    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Someone mentioned earlier that Sevenoaks Council has suddenly gone from Tory control to no overall control after 7 Conservative councillors resigned. Not sure whether this means they defected to another party.

    They’ve quit to independent. Most likely as a staging post toward joining Reform, their realising that their “safe” Tory wards are no longer safe.

    It sounds as though something else precipitated this, so I wouldn't assume they automatic Reform defectors.
    Perhaps the remaining Tories on the council are, though ... ?

    No doubt we'll find out soon.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,416
    Leon said:

    Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree

    1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate

    2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters

    3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital

    Manners, please, gentlemen

    At least you recognise that your own efforts to boost the number of supposedly ‘lady’ commenters, with all your various sockpuppets, don’t count.

    Recognising that your own toxic and often abusive and discriminatory style of posting plays a significant part in discouraging genuine ‘ladies’ from sticking around here would however be the most useful contribution that you could make.

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,205

    Nigelb said:

    This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.

    NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
    Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.

    The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.

    “The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.

    “This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...

    £58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.
    What's going on is babies...

    “But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”

    The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety

    Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?

    ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
    Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,567
    Nigelb said:

    Completely OT, this is quite an interesting article on the Chinese J-10C fighter.
    It's possible that the recent India/Pakistan clash will provide vital intelligence for (amongst other things) the future defence of Taiwan, the ignorance about Chinese air to air missiles is likely to be dispelled - with at least one recovered virtually intact by India.

    https://www.twz.com/air/chinas-j-10c-fighter-separating-myth-from-reality
    ...Another aspect that could have played into the potential success of the J-10C is the fact that India likely has a much better understanding of how AMRAAM works and is therefore better able to optimize countermeasures for it, compared with the PL-15, and particularly the PL-15E export model.

    Bronk continues: “The ability of the Rafale’s onboard electronic countermeasures system and radar warning receiver to potentially detect an incoming missile seeker and/or respond to try and improve the effectiveness of missile defeat maneuvers through ECM is potentially lower against the PL-15 than against AMRAAM, just by dint of the fact that there may be less known about it.”..

    There's always an arms race, but the arrival of drones on the battlefield (and things like the above) have livened things up.

    The West can no longer afford to have a 25 year (or whatever it is) development cycle. We can't afford to be able to make only 12-14 fighters a year either (BAE said such a thing recently, although they're upping that).
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,620

    Nigelb said:

    This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.

    NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
    Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.

    The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.

    “The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.

    “This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...

    £58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.
    What's going on is babies...

    “But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”

    The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety

    Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?

    ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
    Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.
    The link is a below-par maternity unit, which was one consideration in the Letby case.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,205

    .

    Taz said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138

    Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"

    I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.
    Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?
    Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.
    Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,205

    Nigelb said:

    This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.

    NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
    Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.

    The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.

    “The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.

    “This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...

    £58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.
    What's going on is babies...

    “But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”

    The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety

    Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?

    ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
    Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.
    The link is a below-par maternity unit, which was one consideration in the Letby case.
    Letby was in a neonatology unit, which is different to a maternity ward.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,620

    .

    Taz said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138

    Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"

    I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.
    Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?
    Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.
    Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.
    There was a story about the Stones, or maybe the Beatles, going back to America and being shocked there was no screaming. Same fans, but now older.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,498

    Nigelb said:

    This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.

    NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
    Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.

    The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.

    “The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.

    “This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...

    £58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.
    What's going on is babies...

    “But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”

    The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety

    Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?

    ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
    I did not know there were any transwomen who required maternity care.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,211

    Nigelb said:

    This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.

    NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
    Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.

    The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.

    “The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.

    “This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...

    £58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.
    What's going on is babies...

    “But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”

    The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety

    Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?

    ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
    Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.
    If paying for example 100k a year (which seems high) an annual bill of 3 billion implies 300k affected by negligence....given those kids are like to die young in any case so guessing maybe 20 years that implies 15k a year for the last 20 years.

    Most births as far as I am aware require no medical intervention but lets say 10% do. We have about 600k births a year....10% is therefore 60k births a year


    Are we really saying 1 in 4 times when medical intervention is required doctors fuck it up? If so why are we not going what are you doing?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,372
    Fascinating thread.

    In the right conditions, antibiotic resistance can happen extremely fast. Here is an example from my own work of bacteria overcoming an antibiotic in just eleven days in a giant petri dish
    https://x.com/baym/status/1923004841913119073

    His work was just defunded.
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,163
    US Consumer sentiment not looking great

    https://x.com/convertbond/status/1923384503386476901?s=61
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,205
    Pagan2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.

    NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
    Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.

    The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.

    “The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.

    “This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...

    £58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.
    What's going on is babies...

    “But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”

    The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety

    Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?

    ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
    Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.
    If paying for example 100k a year (which seems high) an annual bill of 3 billion implies 300k affected by negligence....given those kids are like to die young in any case so guessing maybe 20 years that implies 15k a year for the last 20 years.

    Most births as far as I am aware require no medical intervention but lets say 10% do. We have about 600k births a year....10% is therefore 60k births a year


    Are we really saying 1 in 4 times when medical intervention is required doctors fuck it up? If so why are we not going what are you doing?
    Your assumption that "those kids are like to die young" is in error.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,372
    Omnium said:

    Nigelb said:

    Completely OT, this is quite an interesting article on the Chinese J-10C fighter.
    It's possible that the recent India/Pakistan clash will provide vital intelligence for (amongst other things) the future defence of Taiwan, the ignorance about Chinese air to air missiles is likely to be dispelled - with at least one recovered virtually intact by India.

    https://www.twz.com/air/chinas-j-10c-fighter-separating-myth-from-reality
    ...Another aspect that could have played into the potential success of the J-10C is the fact that India likely has a much better understanding of how AMRAAM works and is therefore better able to optimize countermeasures for it, compared with the PL-15, and particularly the PL-15E export model.

    Bronk continues: “The ability of the Rafale’s onboard electronic countermeasures system and radar warning receiver to potentially detect an incoming missile seeker and/or respond to try and improve the effectiveness of missile defeat maneuvers through ECM is potentially lower against the PL-15 than against AMRAAM, just by dint of the fact that there may be less known about it.”..

    There's always an arms race, but the arrival of drones on the battlefield (and things like the above) have livened things up.

    The West can no longer afford to have a 25 year (or whatever it is) development cycle. We can't afford to be able to make only 12-14 fighters a year either (BAE said such a thing recently, although they're upping that).
    Here's one way.
    Stealth; its next iteration, supersonic; powered with a Ukrainian engine.
    Launchable off our little carriers.

    Already starting production.

    https://x.com/Selcuk/status/1923091453821014476
    Bayraktar #KIZILELMA PT-4 ✈️🚀🍎

    🛫 AB Kalkışlı Aerodinamik Sistem Tanımlama Testi
    🛫 AB-Assisted Takeoff Aerodynamics System Identification Test

  • ConcanvasserConcanvasser Posts: 186
    Battlebus said:

    Definitely not on topic, At RHS Chelsea Flower Show setting up a stand for a Veterans charity. This guy, Kazuyuki Ishihara, was pointed out to me as he has lots of Japanese helpers with him. Apparently they pay highly to be grunts for a week.

    On a related subject, I hadn’t realised Margaret Thatcher is buried nearby - pushing up daises beside the show.


    The Thatchers regularly worshipped in the Chapel of the Royal Hospital Chelsea. Mrs T raised millions for the home of the Chelsea Pensioners and is commemorated with the Margaret Thatcher Infirmary there. She and Sir Dennis have very private and modest roundels marking the interment of their ashes there.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,570
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree

    1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate

    2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters

    3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital

    Manners, please, gentlemen

    At least you recognise that your own efforts to boost the number of supposedly ‘lady’ commenters, with all your various sockpuppets, don’t count.

    Recognising that your own toxic and often abusive and discriminatory style of posting plays a significant part in discouraging genuine ‘ladies’ from sticking around here would however be the most useful contribution that you could make.

    Ah, your typical good natured, wryly amusing intervention
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,341
    edited May 16
    Nigelb said:

    IanB2 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Someone mentioned earlier that Sevenoaks Council has suddenly gone from Tory control to no overall control after 7 Conservative councillors resigned. Not sure whether this means they defected to another party.

    They’ve quit to independent. Most likely as a staging post toward joining Reform, their realising that their “safe” Tory wards are no longer safe.

    It sounds as though something else precipitated this, so I wouldn't assume they automatic Reform defectors.
    Perhaps the remaining Tories on the council are, though ... ?

    No doubt we'll find out soon.
    Yes, I suspected it was something else too. Those resigning seemed to indicate some rather deep schism in the Conservative Group over local leadership. Indeed, it does tend to be some kind of major local blow-out when a large group of councillors resign the whip together - defections tend to be a maverick stomping off.

    Elections in Sevenoaks also aren't due until 2027. If existing councillors are worried about a RefUK tide (and they may well be) they can afford to sit tight for a while and see how it pans out before any sort of tactical defection. Whilst they could be in trouble in a couple of years time, it's not implausible that RefUK will run into choppy waters controlling the County Council. Sevenoaks was the part of Kent where the Tories held up best in terms of votes in May (still dire but RefUK only very narrowly topped the poll) and it's possible but not obvious that a sitting Tory councillor would be sensible to move over.
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 318
    DEFECTIONS

    As some of you may know, I write an occasional piece elsewhere on the state of local government defections. For the position just before the May elections, my review is here:-

    https://liberalengland.blogspot.com/2025/04/guest-post-256-local-councillors-have.html
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,211

    Pagan2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.

    NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
    Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.

    The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.

    “The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.

    “This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...

    £58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.
    What's going on is babies...

    “But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”

    The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety

    Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?

    ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
    Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.
    If paying for example 100k a year (which seems high) an annual bill of 3 billion implies 300k affected by negligence....given those kids are like to die young in any case so guessing maybe 20 years that implies 15k a year for the last 20 years.

    Most births as far as I am aware require no medical intervention but lets say 10% do. We have about 600k births a year....10% is therefore 60k births a year


    Are we really saying 1 in 4 times when medical intervention is required doctors fuck it up? If so why are we not going what are you doing?
    Your assumption that "those kids are like to die young" is in error.
    Then you will have a source to back it up or just one of your assertions?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,567
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree

    1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate

    2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters

    3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital

    Manners, please, gentlemen

    At least you recognise that your own efforts to boost the number of supposedly ‘lady’ commenters, with all your various sockpuppets, don’t count.

    Recognising that your own toxic and often abusive and discriminatory style of posting plays a significant part in discouraging genuine ‘ladies’ from sticking around here would however be the most useful contribution that you could make.

    The first post he's made in years that suggests he's aware of the concerns of other people and you clobber him for it!!

    ( @Cyclefree is of course great, @Leon less so, and @IanB2 has a dog that looks wiser than I am)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,236
    Jolyon Maugham is at it again:

    https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724

    We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.

    So today we've started legal proceedings against them.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,211

    Jolyon Maugham is at it again:

    https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724

    We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.

    So today we've started legal proceedings against them.

    Has he actually ever won one of these cases?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,832

    Nigelb said:

    This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.

    NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
    Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.

    The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.

    “The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.

    “This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...

    £58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.
    What's going on is babies...

    “But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”

    The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety

    Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?

    ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
    Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.
    There absolutely is a link, as recognised by experts, of subpar quality and care.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,499

    .

    Taz said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138

    Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"

    I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.
    Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?
    Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.
    Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.
    She is the biggest musical artist in the world and has just completed the most successful tour in history: 149 shows, 10 million concert goers, and over $2bn in box office revenue. She's a skilled and prolific songwriter - in my view the heir to Dylan in that regard. People who dismiss her as someone who appeals only to teenage girls are missing out on a truly formidable artist at the peak of her powers. Trump is weirdly obsessed with her, but I have no doubt that Swift will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 11,567
    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    Nigelb said:

    Completely OT, this is quite an interesting article on the Chinese J-10C fighter.
    It's possible that the recent India/Pakistan clash will provide vital intelligence for (amongst other things) the future defence of Taiwan, the ignorance about Chinese air to air missiles is likely to be dispelled - with at least one recovered virtually intact by India.

    https://www.twz.com/air/chinas-j-10c-fighter-separating-myth-from-reality
    ...Another aspect that could have played into the potential success of the J-10C is the fact that India likely has a much better understanding of how AMRAAM works and is therefore better able to optimize countermeasures for it, compared with the PL-15, and particularly the PL-15E export model.

    Bronk continues: “The ability of the Rafale’s onboard electronic countermeasures system and radar warning receiver to potentially detect an incoming missile seeker and/or respond to try and improve the effectiveness of missile defeat maneuvers through ECM is potentially lower against the PL-15 than against AMRAAM, just by dint of the fact that there may be less known about it.”..

    There's always an arms race, but the arrival of drones on the battlefield (and things like the above) have livened things up.

    The West can no longer afford to have a 25 year (or whatever it is) development cycle. We can't afford to be able to make only 12-14 fighters a year either (BAE said such a thing recently, although they're upping that).
    Here's one way.
    Stealth; its next iteration, supersonic; powered with a Ukrainian engine.
    Launchable off our little carriers.

    Already starting production.

    https://x.com/Selcuk/status/1923091453821014476
    Bayraktar #KIZILELMA PT-4 ✈️🚀🍎

    🛫 AB Kalkışlı Aerodinamik Sistem Tanımlama Testi
    🛫 AB-Assisted Takeoff Aerodynamics System Identification Test

    The painting of battleships in odd ways made a huge difference.

    Of course the needed lesson there was that they were obsolete if you needed to paint them oddly and keep them in obscure fjords.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,372
    Electric arc furnace, in the Mojave Desert, to be run using 100% renewables.

    "California’s economy forges ahead: Pacific Steel breaks ground on state’s first new steel mill in 50 years"..
    https://x.com/zanehengsperger/status/1923172467553468479
  • DoubleCarpetDoubleCarpet Posts: 952

    .

    Taz said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138

    Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"

    I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.
    Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?
    Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.
    Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.
    She is the biggest musical artist in the world and has just completed the most successful tour in history: 149 shows, 10 million concert goers, and over $2bn in box office revenue. She's a skilled and prolific songwriter - in my view the heir to Dylan in that regard. People who dismiss her as someone who appeals only to teenage girls are missing out on a truly formidable artist at the peak of her powers. Trump is weirdly obsessed with her, but I have no doubt that Swift will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten.
    First artist to be a billionaire from music alone - enough said.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,341
    edited May 16
    Pagan2 said:

    Jolyon Maugham is at it again:

    https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724

    We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.

    So today we've started legal proceedings against them.

    Has he actually ever won one of these cases?
    The Good Law Project have a pretty decent return in terms of wins.

    This is their spreadsheet, so you'd expect a bit of a bias towards claiming a win when a result is a bit more ambiguous, but it does broadly check out: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQcKz6gPDkdVwBMb_JhHGiP0aL4fKefo_l5OvUgoGVBPxf2VXV66bqhGSLrzspxT7eBYFjuiVTXOH0H/pubhtml

    I think you can criticise them for some of the cases they take on, and the value in some of them. But they aren't hopeless vexatious litigants... they are capable lawyers with a good batting average.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,211

    Pagan2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.

    NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
    Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.

    The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.

    “The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.

    “This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...

    £58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.
    What's going on is babies...

    “But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”

    The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety

    Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?

    ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
    Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.
    If paying for example 100k a year (which seems high) an annual bill of 3 billion implies 300k affected by negligence....given those kids are like to die young in any case so guessing maybe 20 years that implies 15k a year for the last 20 years.

    Most births as far as I am aware require no medical intervention but lets say 10% do. We have about 600k births a year....10% is therefore 60k births a year


    Are we really saying 1 in 4 times when medical intervention is required doctors fuck it up? If so why are we not going what are you doing?
    Your assumption that "those kids are like to die young" is in error.
    Also notice while admit I made some assumptions you only challenge one of them....I think it is unliked that the compensation for this negligence for example is anywhere near a 100k each. Even if you doubled the life expectancy of these kids to 40 assuming 100k that still implies doctors are negligent in 1 in 8 times and sorry my point is that seems unacceptably high.

    We are talking negligence here not just difficult births damage kids, the doctors and nurses actually did things that made the outcome worse
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,211

    Pagan2 said:

    Jolyon Maugham is at it again:

    https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724

    We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.

    So today we've started legal proceedings against them.

    Has he actually ever won one of these cases?
    The Good Law Project have a pretty decent return in terms of wins.

    This is their spreadsheet, so you'd expect a bit of a bias towards claiming a win when a result is a bit more ambiguous, but it does broadly check out: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQcKz6gPDkdVwBMb_JhHGiP0aL4fKefo_l5OvUgoGVBPxf2VXV66bqhGSLrzspxT7eBYFjuiVTXOH0H/pubhtml

    I think you can criticise them for some of the cases they take on, and the value in some of them. But they aren't hopeless vexatious litigants... they are capable lawyers with a good batting average.
    I was asking about Jolyon himself I fail to remember him ever winning a case
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,620
    AnneJGP said:

    Nigelb said:

    This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.

    NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
    Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.

    The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.

    “The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.

    “This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...

    £58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.
    What's going on is babies...

    “But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”

    The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety

    Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?

    ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
    I did not know there were any transwomen who required maternity care.
    That's the point. There was no need for the NHS to get het up about it.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,341
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Jolyon Maugham is at it again:

    https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724

    We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.

    So today we've started legal proceedings against them.

    Has he actually ever won one of these cases?
    The Good Law Project have a pretty decent return in terms of wins.

    This is their spreadsheet, so you'd expect a bit of a bias towards claiming a win when a result is a bit more ambiguous, but it does broadly check out: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQcKz6gPDkdVwBMb_JhHGiP0aL4fKefo_l5OvUgoGVBPxf2VXV66bqhGSLrzspxT7eBYFjuiVTXOH0H/pubhtml

    I think you can criticise them for some of the cases they take on, and the value in some of them. But they aren't hopeless vexatious litigants... they are capable lawyers with a good batting average.
    I was asking about Jolyon himself I fail to remember him ever winning a case
    I don't understand the distinction you are making. Maugham runs his cases under the auspices of the Good Law Project, the campaign group he founded.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,372
    edited May 16
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.

    NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
    Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.

    The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.

    “The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.

    “This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...

    £58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.
    What's going on is babies...

    “But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”

    The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety

    Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?

    ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
    Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.
    If paying for example 100k a year (which seems high) an annual bill of 3 billion implies 300k affected by negligence....given those kids are like to die young in any case so guessing maybe 20 years that implies 15k a year for the last 20 years.

    Most births as far as I am aware require no medical intervention but lets say 10% do. We have about 600k births a year....10% is therefore 60k births a year


    Are we really saying 1 in 4 times when medical intervention is required doctors fuck it up? If so why are we not going what are you doing?
    Your assumption that "those kids are like to die young" is in error.
    Also notice while admit I made some assumptions you only challenge one of them....I think it is unliked that the compensation for this negligence for example is anywhere near a 100k each. Even if you doubled the life expectancy of these kids to 40 assuming 100k that still implies doctors are negligent in 1 in 8 times and sorry my point is that seems unacceptably high.

    We are talking negligence here not just difficult births damage kids, the doctors and nurses actually did things that made the outcome worse
    https://www.higgsllp.co.uk/articles/birth-injury-and-trauma-cases-against-the-nhs
    ...According to NHS Resolution, which handles clinical negligence claims on behalf of the NHS in England, maternity cases account for a disproportionate amount of compensation paid out. In 2022/23:

    Maternity claims represented 41% by value of all medical negligence claims
    The total cost of maternity claims was £1.1 billion in 2022-23

    The high values stem from the lifetime care needs of children left with severe disabilities like cerebral palsy.

    Brain damage was the most common type of birth injury claim between 2017 and 2023. NHS Resolution data shows that, during this period, there were 730 claims related to brain damage caused to babies during birth.

    Prominent high-value birth injury cases

    £30 million settlement (2024)

    In 2024, Stockport NHS Foundation Trust settled for almost £30 million after a baby girl suffered catastrophic injuries shortly after birth..

    £37 million settlement (2018)

    A six-year-old boy received £37m in compensation from the NHS after he suffered a “catastrophic” brain injury after his birth at Watford General Hospital...

    At the time, the payout was the highest award ever in a clinical negligence case against the NHS.

    £21 million settlement (2023)

    A boy who was left with severe cerebral palsy as a result of oxygen deprivation at birth won a £21m settlement from a never-named London NHS trust...

    £27 million settlement (2023)

    A 10-year-old was awarded £27 million after being diagnosed with quadriplegic cerebral palsy...

    £17 million settlement (2023)

    In 2023 the NHS agreed to pay compensation totalling more than £17m to a 19-year-old man for the injuries he sustained during birth...

    Factors driving high-value claims

    Several factors contribute to the extremely high values seen in birth injury compensation claims:

    Lifetime care needs: Children with severe birth-related disabilities often require round-the-clock care for life. Compensation must cover professional carers, therapies, medical treatments and specialised equipment...
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,211

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Jolyon Maugham is at it again:

    https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724

    We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.

    So today we've started legal proceedings against them.

    Has he actually ever won one of these cases?
    The Good Law Project have a pretty decent return in terms of wins.

    This is their spreadsheet, so you'd expect a bit of a bias towards claiming a win when a result is a bit more ambiguous, but it does broadly check out: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQcKz6gPDkdVwBMb_JhHGiP0aL4fKefo_l5OvUgoGVBPxf2VXV66bqhGSLrzspxT7eBYFjuiVTXOH0H/pubhtml

    I think you can criticise them for some of the cases they take on, and the value in some of them. But they aren't hopeless vexatious litigants... they are capable lawyers with a good batting average.
    I was asking about Jolyon himself I fail to remember him ever winning a case
    I don't understand the distinction you are making. Maugham runs his cases under the auspices of the Good Law Project, the campaign group he founded.
    The distinction would be if the good law project take on a 100 cases and won 50, jolyon fronted all the losing ones you wouldn't call him effective
  • TazTaz Posts: 18,163
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Jolyon Maugham is at it again:

    https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724

    We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.

    So today we've started legal proceedings against them.

    Has he actually ever won one of these cases?
    The Good Law Project have a pretty decent return in terms of wins.

    This is their spreadsheet, so you'd expect a bit of a bias towards claiming a win when a result is a bit more ambiguous, but it does broadly check out: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQcKz6gPDkdVwBMb_JhHGiP0aL4fKefo_l5OvUgoGVBPxf2VXV66bqhGSLrzspxT7eBYFjuiVTXOH0H/pubhtml

    I think you can criticise them for some of the cases they take on, and the value in some of them. But they aren't hopeless vexatious litigants... they are capable lawyers with a good batting average.
    I was asking about Jolyon himself I fail to remember him ever winning a case
    I don't understand the distinction you are making. Maugham runs his cases under the auspices of the Good Law Project, the campaign group he founded.
    The distinction would be if the good law project take on a 100 cases and won 50, jolyon fronted all the losing ones you wouldn't call him effective
    It’s noticeable some of their claimed ‘wins’ are where they did not actually take any court action for a variety of reasons.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,341
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Jolyon Maugham is at it again:

    https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724

    We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.

    So today we've started legal proceedings against them.

    Has he actually ever won one of these cases?
    The Good Law Project have a pretty decent return in terms of wins.

    This is their spreadsheet, so you'd expect a bit of a bias towards claiming a win when a result is a bit more ambiguous, but it does broadly check out: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQcKz6gPDkdVwBMb_JhHGiP0aL4fKefo_l5OvUgoGVBPxf2VXV66bqhGSLrzspxT7eBYFjuiVTXOH0H/pubhtml

    I think you can criticise them for some of the cases they take on, and the value in some of them. But they aren't hopeless vexatious litigants... they are capable lawyers with a good batting average.
    I was asking about Jolyon himself I fail to remember him ever winning a case
    I don't understand the distinction you are making. Maugham runs his cases under the auspices of the Good Law Project, the campaign group he founded.
    The distinction would be if the good law project take on a 100 cases and won 50, jolyon fronted all the losing ones you wouldn't call him effective
    I don't think you really understand what the Good Law Project is. It is the corporate entity through which Maugham runs his cases - he is the chief exec, they are all his cases.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,211

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Jolyon Maugham is at it again:

    https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724

    We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.

    So today we've started legal proceedings against them.

    Has he actually ever won one of these cases?
    The Good Law Project have a pretty decent return in terms of wins.

    This is their spreadsheet, so you'd expect a bit of a bias towards claiming a win when a result is a bit more ambiguous, but it does broadly check out: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQcKz6gPDkdVwBMb_JhHGiP0aL4fKefo_l5OvUgoGVBPxf2VXV66bqhGSLrzspxT7eBYFjuiVTXOH0H/pubhtml

    I think you can criticise them for some of the cases they take on, and the value in some of them. But they aren't hopeless vexatious litigants... they are capable lawyers with a good batting average.
    I was asking about Jolyon himself I fail to remember him ever winning a case
    I don't understand the distinction you are making. Maugham runs his cases under the auspices of the Good Law Project, the campaign group he founded.
    The distinction would be if the good law project take on a 100 cases and won 50, jolyon fronted all the losing ones you wouldn't call him effective
    I don't think you really understand what the Good Law Project is. It is the corporate entity through which Maugham runs his cases - he is the chief exec, they are all his cases.
    I do understand it, he uses it to feather his own nest is what its about
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 6,013
    edited May 16
    Pagan2 said:

    Jolyon Maugham is at it again:

    https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724

    We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.

    So today we've started legal proceedings against them.

    Has he actually ever won one of these cases?
    Not up to date, but someone did a spreadsheet.



    Occasionally he wins or half wins. The two year period with no wins though... Oh dear.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,205
    edited May 16
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.

    NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
    Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.

    The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.

    “The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.

    “This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...

    £58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.
    What's going on is babies...

    “But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”

    The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety

    Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?

    ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
    Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.
    If paying for example 100k a year (which seems high) an annual bill of 3 billion implies 300k affected by negligence....given those kids are like to die young in any case so guessing maybe 20 years that implies 15k a year for the last 20 years.

    Most births as far as I am aware require no medical intervention but lets say 10% do. We have about 600k births a year....10% is therefore 60k births a year


    Are we really saying 1 in 4 times when medical intervention is required doctors fuck it up? If so why are we not going what are you doing?
    Your assumption that "those kids are like to die young" is in error.
    Then you will have a source to back it up or just one of your assertions?
    Why so aggressive in your tone, Pagan? Anyway...

    https://www.cerebralpalsyguide.com/cerebral-palsy/prognosis/life-expectancy/

    Average life expectancies by severity of cerebral palsy
    The life expectancy of someone with cerebral palsy can vary based on the severity of their symptoms. Cerebral palsy severity is generally categorized as mild or severe depending on the extent of the brain damage and the co-occurring conditions present.

    Mild cerebral palsy life expectancy
    An individual with mild cerebral palsy will likely have a similar life expectancy as an individual who does not have the condition.

    An article written by Dr. Ananya Mandal, a clinical pharmacologist from the Government Medical College in West Bengal, shows that a two year-old child with mild cerebral palsy has a 99% chance of living to 20 years old. Additionally, according to a study on individuals with cerebral palsy by BMC Neurology, more than 80% of individuals have a life expectancy of 58 years or more.

    Severe cerebral palsy life expectancy
    Severe cerebral palsy may have a shorter life expectancy than mild cerebral palsy patients.

    Patients with severe cerebral palsy tend to have significant mobility and/or intellectual limitations. For this reason, these individuals have a 40% chance of living to 20 years old.

    According to BMC Neurology, the early childhood mortality rate for severe cerebral palsy patients with multiple impairments has decreased since 1990. Most children with severe cerebral palsy will reach adulthood.

    The study analyzed individuals with cerebral palsy to determine their overall disability score (DISAB). The DISAB accounts for severity of movement and cognitive impairments, active epilepsy, and bilateral blindness and/or deafness. Individuals with low disability scores (DISAB between 1 and 5) had higher chances of survival over those with higher disability scores (DISAB between 6 and 12).
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,708
    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree

    1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate

    2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters

    3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital

    Manners, please, gentlemen

    At least you recognise that your own efforts to boost the number of supposedly ‘lady’ commenters, with all your various sockpuppets, don’t count.

    Recognising that your own toxic and often abusive and discriminatory style of posting plays a significant part in discouraging genuine ‘ladies’ from sticking around here would however be the most useful contribution that you could make.

    @LadyG , a lady, quite liked the old fruit, I think.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,211

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.

    NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
    Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.

    The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.

    “The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.

    “This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...

    £58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.
    What's going on is babies...

    “But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”

    The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety

    Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?

    ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
    Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.
    If paying for example 100k a year (which seems high) an annual bill of 3 billion implies 300k affected by negligence....given those kids are like to die young in any case so guessing maybe 20 years that implies 15k a year for the last 20 years.

    Most births as far as I am aware require no medical intervention but lets say 10% do. We have about 600k births a year....10% is therefore 60k births a year


    Are we really saying 1 in 4 times when medical intervention is required doctors fuck it up? If so why are we not going what are you doing?
    Your assumption that "those kids are like to die young" is in error.
    Then you will have a source to back it up or just one of your assertions?
    https://www.cerebralpalsyguide.com/cerebral-palsy/prognosis/life-expectancy/

    Average life expectancies by severity of cerebral palsy
    The life expectancy of someone with cerebral palsy can vary based on the severity of their symptoms. Cerebral palsy severity is generally categorized as mild or severe depending on the extent of the brain damage and the co-occurring conditions present.

    Mild cerebral palsy life expectancy
    An individual with mild cerebral palsy will likely have a similar life expectancy as an individual who does not have the condition.

    An article written by Dr. Ananya Mandal, a clinical pharmacologist from the Government Medical College in West Bengal, shows that a two year-old child with mild cerebral palsy has a 99% chance of living to 20 years old. Additionally, according to a study on individuals with cerebral palsy by BMC Neurology, more than 80% of individuals have a life expectancy of 58 years or more.

    Severe cerebral palsy life expectancy
    Severe cerebral palsy may have a shorter life expectancy than mild cerebral palsy patients.

    Patients with severe cerebral palsy tend to have significant mobility and/or intellectual limitations. For this reason, these individuals have a 40% chance of living to 20 years old.

    According to BMC Neurology, the early childhood mortality rate for severe cerebral palsy patients with multiple impairments has decreased since 1990. Most children with severe cerebral palsy will reach adulthood.

    The study analyzed individuals with cerebral palsy to determine their overall disability score (DISAB). The DISAB accounts for severity of movement and cognitive impairments, active epilepsy, and bilateral blindness and/or deafness. Individuals with low disability scores (DISAB between 1 and 5) had higher chances of survival over those with higher disability scores (DISAB between 6 and 12).
    That is one birth issue now bring it on for all the others and even it says for those with severe cerebal palsy....the ones therefore getting the highest payout they only have a 40% chance of getting to 20
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,205

    Nigelb said:

    This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.

    NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
    Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.

    The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.

    “The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.

    “This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...

    £58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.
    What's going on is babies...

    “But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”

    The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety

    Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?

    ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
    Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.
    There absolutely is a link, as recognised by experts, of subpar quality and care.
    Subpar quality and care generally is linked to significant morbidity and mortality across all sectors of healthcare. However, what happens at birth and what happens in a neonatology unit are different forms of healthcare.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,602
    TimS said:

    You may recall I was recently at the country’s poshest railway station, Marylebone, and acknowledged after Sunil’s lobbying that St Pancras is probably the country’s flashiest.

    Today I wonder whether Paddington on a Friday afternoon is the country’s most cheerful station. Hordes of happy faced travellers in summer garb eagerly eying noticeboards with destinations like Penzance, Weston super Mare and Carmarthen. Sunshine outside (it’s always sunny in Paddington). And now on the train the woman opposite just ordered a mini Prosecco bottle while apologising good humouredly on the phone for a work cockup, an interesting gentleman who just got 2 for 1 Birra Moretti is laying down the law about the habits of bees, and the elderlyish lady opposite me with a cup of tea is telling her neighbour you’re only as old as you feel.

    (Oh and they all looked over fleetingly after I farted a bit more loudly than I’d planned).

    There's also the whole "named after a bear" thing.

    (What do you mean, it was the other way round?)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,428

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.

    NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
    Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.

    The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.

    “The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.

    “This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...

    £58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.
    What's going on is babies...

    “But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”

    The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety

    Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?

    ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
    Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.
    If paying for example 100k a year (which seems high) an annual bill of 3 billion implies 300k affected by negligence....given those kids are like to die young in any case so guessing maybe 20 years that implies 15k a year for the last 20 years.

    Most births as far as I am aware require no medical intervention but lets say 10% do. We have about 600k births a year....10% is therefore 60k births a year


    Are we really saying 1 in 4 times when medical intervention is required doctors fuck it up? If so why are we not going what are you doing?
    Your assumption that "those kids are like to die young" is in error.
    Then you will have a source to back it up or just one of your assertions?
    Why so aggressive in your tone, Pagan? Anyway...

    https://www.cerebralpalsyguide.com/cerebral-palsy/prognosis/life-expectancy/

    Average life expectancies by severity of cerebral palsy
    The life expectancy of someone with cerebral palsy can vary based on the severity of their symptoms. Cerebral palsy severity is generally categorized as mild or severe depending on the extent of the brain damage and the co-occurring conditions present.

    Mild cerebral palsy life expectancy
    An individual with mild cerebral palsy will likely have a similar life expectancy as an individual who does not have the condition.

    An article written by Dr. Ananya Mandal, a clinical pharmacologist from the Government Medical College in West Bengal, shows that a two year-old child with mild cerebral palsy has a 99% chance of living to 20 years old. Additionally, according to a study on individuals with cerebral palsy by BMC Neurology, more than 80% of individuals have a life expectancy of 58 years or more.

    Severe cerebral palsy life expectancy
    Severe cerebral palsy may have a shorter life expectancy than mild cerebral palsy patients.

    Patients with severe cerebral palsy tend to have significant mobility and/or intellectual limitations. For this reason, these individuals have a 40% chance of living to 20 years old.

    According to BMC Neurology, the early childhood mortality rate for severe cerebral palsy patients with multiple impairments has decreased since 1990. Most children with severe cerebral palsy will reach adulthood.

    The study analyzed individuals with cerebral palsy to determine their overall disability score (DISAB). The DISAB accounts for severity of movement and cognitive impairments, active epilepsy, and bilateral blindness and/or deafness. Individuals with low disability scores (DISAB between 1 and 5) had higher chances of survival over those with higher disability scores (DISAB between 6 and 12).
    One of my friends has cerebral palsy, he's a software developer. It's definitely a disability on a scale.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,570
    edited May 16

    .

    Taz said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138

    Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"

    I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.
    Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?
    Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.
    Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.
    She is the biggest musical artist in the world and has just completed the most successful tour in history: 149 shows, 10 million concert goers, and over $2bn in box office revenue. She's a skilled and prolific songwriter - in my view the heir to Dylan in that regard. People who dismiss her as someone who appeals only to teenage girls are missing out on a truly formidable artist at the peak of her powers. Trump is weirdly obsessed with her, but I have no doubt that Swift will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten.
    I liked TayTay before it was fashionable. And I really did, I've liked her since "Red" at least (2012). My wife used to laugh at me for putting on her music when I cooked. She writes really classy countrypop songs, and they are often decidedly and unashamedly sexy. She's great

    However, the idea that "she will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten" is 100% delusional. I am afraid it will take us all many decades to forget Donald J Trump
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,564
    edited May 16
    carnforth said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Jolyon Maugham is at it again:

    https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724

    We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.

    So today we've started legal proceedings against them.

    Has he actually ever won one of these cases?
    Not up to date, but someone did a spreadsheet.



    Occasionally he wins or half wins. The two year period with no wins though... Oh dear.
    Of those resolved, 12 wins, 33 losses or abandoned. An unchecked number were unresolved.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,205
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.

    NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
    Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.

    The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.

    “The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.

    “This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...

    £58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.
    What's going on is babies...

    “But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”

    The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety

    Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?

    ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
    Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.
    If paying for example 100k a year (which seems high) an annual bill of 3 billion implies 300k affected by negligence....given those kids are like to die young in any case so guessing maybe 20 years that implies 15k a year for the last 20 years.

    Most births as far as I am aware require no medical intervention but lets say 10% do. We have about 600k births a year....10% is therefore 60k births a year


    Are we really saying 1 in 4 times when medical intervention is required doctors fuck it up? If so why are we not going what are you doing?
    Your assumption that "those kids are like to die young" is in error.
    Then you will have a source to back it up or just one of your assertions?
    https://www.cerebralpalsyguide.com/cerebral-palsy/prognosis/life-expectancy/

    Average life expectancies by severity of cerebral palsy
    The life expectancy of someone with cerebral palsy can vary based on the severity of their symptoms. Cerebral palsy severity is generally categorized as mild or severe depending on the extent of the brain damage and the co-occurring conditions present.

    Mild cerebral palsy life expectancy
    An individual with mild cerebral palsy will likely have a similar life expectancy as an individual who does not have the condition.

    An article written by Dr. Ananya Mandal, a clinical pharmacologist from the Government Medical College in West Bengal, shows that a two year-old child with mild cerebral palsy has a 99% chance of living to 20 years old. Additionally, according to a study on individuals with cerebral palsy by BMC Neurology, more than 80% of individuals have a life expectancy of 58 years or more.

    Severe cerebral palsy life expectancy
    Severe cerebral palsy may have a shorter life expectancy than mild cerebral palsy patients.

    Patients with severe cerebral palsy tend to have significant mobility and/or intellectual limitations. For this reason, these individuals have a 40% chance of living to 20 years old.

    According to BMC Neurology, the early childhood mortality rate for severe cerebral palsy patients with multiple impairments has decreased since 1990. Most children with severe cerebral palsy will reach adulthood.

    The study analyzed individuals with cerebral palsy to determine their overall disability score (DISAB). The DISAB accounts for severity of movement and cognitive impairments, active epilepsy, and bilateral blindness and/or deafness. Individuals with low disability scores (DISAB between 1 and 5) had higher chances of survival over those with higher disability scores (DISAB between 6 and 12).
    That is one birth issue now bring it on for all the others and even it says for those with severe cerebal palsy....the ones therefore getting the highest payout they only have a 40% chance of getting to 20
    Cerebral palsy is the main birth issue associated with claims, as per @Nigelb 's post above.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,564
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Jolyon Maugham is at it again:

    https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724

    We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.

    So today we've started legal proceedings against them.

    Has he actually ever won one of these cases?
    The Good Law Project have a pretty decent return in terms of wins.

    This is their spreadsheet, so you'd expect a bit of a bias towards claiming a win when a result is a bit more ambiguous, but it does broadly check out: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQcKz6gPDkdVwBMb_JhHGiP0aL4fKefo_l5OvUgoGVBPxf2VXV66bqhGSLrzspxT7eBYFjuiVTXOH0H/pubhtml

    I think you can criticise them for some of the cases they take on, and the value in some of them. But they aren't hopeless vexatious litigants... they are capable lawyers with a good batting average.
    I was asking about Jolyon himself I fail to remember him ever winning a case
    I don't understand the distinction you are making. Maugham runs his cases under the auspices of the Good Law Project, the campaign group he founded.
    The distinction would be if the good law project take on a 100 cases and won 50, jolyon fronted all the losing ones you wouldn't call him effective
    I don't think you really understand what the Good Law Project is. It is the corporate entity through which Maugham runs his cases - he is the chief exec, they are all his cases.
    I do understand it, he uses it to feather his own nest is what its about
    Lawyers don't work for free. Who knew? :)
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 16,499
    Leon said:

    .

    Taz said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138

    Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"

    I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.
    Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?
    Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.
    Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.
    She is the biggest musical artist in the world and has just completed the most successful tour in history: 149 shows, 10 million concert goers, and over $2bn in box office revenue. She's a skilled and prolific songwriter - in my view the heir to Dylan in that regard. People who dismiss her as someone who appeals only to teenage girls are missing out on a truly formidable artist at the peak of her powers. Trump is weirdly obsessed with her, but I have no doubt that Swift will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten.
    I liked TayTay before it was fashionable. And I really did, I've liked her since "Red" at least (2012). My wife used to laugh at me for putting on her music when I cooked. She writes really classy countrypop songs, and they are often decidedly and unashamedly sexy. She's great

    However, the idea that "she will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten" is 100% delusional. I am afraid it will take us all many decades to forget Donald J Trump
    How many 19th century US presidents are still talked about? Lincoln, basically. In 100-200 years Trump will be an embarrassing footnote or a difficult pup quiz question. Great art endures, though.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,570
    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree

    1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate

    2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters

    3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital

    Manners, please, gentlemen

    At least you recognise that your own efforts to boost the number of supposedly ‘lady’ commenters, with all your various sockpuppets, don’t count.

    Recognising that your own toxic and often abusive and discriminatory style of posting plays a significant part in discouraging genuine ‘ladies’ from sticking around here would however be the most useful contribution that you could make.

    The first post he's made in years that suggests he's aware of the concerns of other people and you clobber him for it!!

    ( @Cyclefree is of course great, @Leon less so, and @IanB2 has a dog that looks wiser than I am)
    You are all under a strange illusion that I give a particular fuck what you think about me. Surely my posting history disproves that?? I find @IanB2's bitter and furious anger at me flattering. He must wake up fuming. I absolutely enjoy stoking it. Yet he still doesn't seem to get that! Every time he launches into another PB tirade I see a tiny victory in the agreeably pointless war of PB life
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 11,211

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.

    NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
    Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
    The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.

    The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.

    “The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.

    “This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...

    £58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.
    What's going on is babies...

    “But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”

    The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety

    Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?

    ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
    Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.
    If paying for example 100k a year (which seems high) an annual bill of 3 billion implies 300k affected by negligence....given those kids are like to die young in any case so guessing maybe 20 years that implies 15k a year for the last 20 years.

    Most births as far as I am aware require no medical intervention but lets say 10% do. We have about 600k births a year....10% is therefore 60k births a year


    Are we really saying 1 in 4 times when medical intervention is required doctors fuck it up? If so why are we not going what are you doing?
    Your assumption that "those kids are like to die young" is in error.
    Then you will have a source to back it up or just one of your assertions?
    https://www.cerebralpalsyguide.com/cerebral-palsy/prognosis/life-expectancy/

    Average life expectancies by severity of cerebral palsy
    The life expectancy of someone with cerebral palsy can vary based on the severity of their symptoms. Cerebral palsy severity is generally categorized as mild or severe depending on the extent of the brain damage and the co-occurring conditions present.

    Mild cerebral palsy life expectancy
    An individual with mild cerebral palsy will likely have a similar life expectancy as an individual who does not have the condition.

    An article written by Dr. Ananya Mandal, a clinical pharmacologist from the Government Medical College in West Bengal, shows that a two year-old child with mild cerebral palsy has a 99% chance of living to 20 years old. Additionally, according to a study on individuals with cerebral palsy by BMC Neurology, more than 80% of individuals have a life expectancy of 58 years or more.

    Severe cerebral palsy life expectancy
    Severe cerebral palsy may have a shorter life expectancy than mild cerebral palsy patients.

    Patients with severe cerebral palsy tend to have significant mobility and/or intellectual limitations. For this reason, these individuals have a 40% chance of living to 20 years old.

    According to BMC Neurology, the early childhood mortality rate for severe cerebral palsy patients with multiple impairments has decreased since 1990. Most children with severe cerebral palsy will reach adulthood.

    The study analyzed individuals with cerebral palsy to determine their overall disability score (DISAB). The DISAB accounts for severity of movement and cognitive impairments, active epilepsy, and bilateral blindness and/or deafness. Individuals with low disability scores (DISAB between 1 and 5) had higher chances of survival over those with higher disability scores (DISAB between 6 and 12).
    That is one birth issue now bring it on for all the others and even it says for those with severe cerebal palsy....the ones therefore getting the highest payout they only have a 40% chance of getting to 20
    Cerebral palsy is the main birth issue associated with claims, as per @Nigelb 's post above.
    And as your quote said for those with serious cerebal palsy....ones getting the highest payout therefore only 40% survive till 20 so my estimate wasn't that far off. I suspect the number surviving till 30 is lower yet
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,570

    Leon said:

    .

    Taz said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138

    Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"

    I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.
    Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?
    Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.
    Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.
    She is the biggest musical artist in the world and has just completed the most successful tour in history: 149 shows, 10 million concert goers, and over $2bn in box office revenue. She's a skilled and prolific songwriter - in my view the heir to Dylan in that regard. People who dismiss her as someone who appeals only to teenage girls are missing out on a truly formidable artist at the peak of her powers. Trump is weirdly obsessed with her, but I have no doubt that Swift will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten.
    I liked TayTay before it was fashionable. And I really did, I've liked her since "Red" at least (2012). My wife used to laugh at me for putting on her music when I cooked. She writes really classy countrypop songs, and they are often decidedly and unashamedly sexy. She's great

    However, the idea that "she will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten" is 100% delusional. I am afraid it will take us all many decades to forget Donald J Trump
    How many 19th century US presidents are still talked about? Lincoln, basically. In 100-200 years Trump will be an embarrassing footnote or a difficult pup quiz question. Great art endures, though.
    Er, OK

  • MattWMattW Posts: 27,149

    Jolyon Maugham is at it again:

    https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724

    We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.

    So today we've started legal proceedings against them.

    He's very similar to Reform in that he can be described as Tilting at Windmills !

    In his case, he used to live in one.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,372
    Here's one for all those of you getting excited about sub judice* the other day.

    Watters: “Do you believe Comey should be in jail?”

    Gabbard: “I do… I’m very concerned for the president’s life…And James Comey, in my view, should be held accountable and put behind bars for this.”

    https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1923180901875200186


    *Autocorrect prefers "sub juice".
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,708
    Leon said:

    .

    Taz said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138

    Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"

    I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.
    Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?
    Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.
    Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.
    She is the biggest musical artist in the world and has just completed the most successful tour in history: 149 shows, 10 million concert goers, and over $2bn in box office revenue. She's a skilled and prolific songwriter - in my view the heir to Dylan in that regard. People who dismiss her as someone who appeals only to teenage girls are missing out on a truly formidable artist at the peak of her powers. Trump is weirdly obsessed with her, but I have no doubt that Swift will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten.
    I liked TayTay before it was fashionable. And I really did, I've liked her since "Red" at least (2012). My wife used to laugh at me for putting on her music when I cooked. She writes really classy countrypop songs, and they are often decidedly and unashamedly sexy. She's great

    However, the idea that "she will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten" is 100% delusional. I am afraid it will take us all many decades to forget Donald J Trump
    Indeed. We are still talking about Stalin eighty years on from WWII.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,372
    Leon said:

    Omnium said:

    IanB2 said:

    Leon said:

    Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree

    1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate

    2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters

    3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital

    Manners, please, gentlemen

    At least you recognise that your own efforts to boost the number of supposedly ‘lady’ commenters, with all your various sockpuppets, don’t count.

    Recognising that your own toxic and often abusive and discriminatory style of posting plays a significant part in discouraging genuine ‘ladies’ from sticking around here would however be the most useful contribution that you could make.

    The first post he's made in years that suggests he's aware of the concerns of other people and you clobber him for it!!

    ( @Cyclefree is of course great, @Leon less so, and @IanB2 has a dog that looks wiser than I am)
    You are all under a strange illusion that I give a particular fuck what you think about me. Surely my posting history disproves that?? I find @IanB2's bitter and furious anger at me flattering. He must wake up fuming. I absolutely enjoy stoking it. Yet he still doesn't seem to get that! Every time he launches into another PB tirade I see a tiny victory in the agreeably pointless war of PB life
    So you do give that particular eff, then.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,205
    Nigelb said:

    Here's one for all those of you getting excited about sub judice* the other day.

    Watters: “Do you believe Comey should be in jail?”

    Gabbard: “I do… I’m very concerned for the president’s life…And James Comey, in my view, should be held accountable and put behind bars for this.”

    https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1923180901875200186


    *Autocorrect prefers "sub juice".

    Matt Gaetz, lol... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/james-comey-86-gaetz-maga-b2752452.html
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,612
    Omnium said:

    Nigelb said:

    Omnium said:

    Nigelb said:

    Completely OT, this is quite an interesting article on the Chinese J-10C fighter.
    It's possible that the recent India/Pakistan clash will provide vital intelligence for (amongst other things) the future defence of Taiwan, the ignorance about Chinese air to air missiles is likely to be dispelled - with at least one recovered virtually intact by India.

    https://www.twz.com/air/chinas-j-10c-fighter-separating-myth-from-reality
    ...Another aspect that could have played into the potential success of the J-10C is the fact that India likely has a much better understanding of how AMRAAM works and is therefore better able to optimize countermeasures for it, compared with the PL-15, and particularly the PL-15E export model.

    Bronk continues: “The ability of the Rafale’s onboard electronic countermeasures system and radar warning receiver to potentially detect an incoming missile seeker and/or respond to try and improve the effectiveness of missile defeat maneuvers through ECM is potentially lower against the PL-15 than against AMRAAM, just by dint of the fact that there may be less known about it.”..

    There's always an arms race, but the arrival of drones on the battlefield (and things like the above) have livened things up.

    The West can no longer afford to have a 25 year (or whatever it is) development cycle. We can't afford to be able to make only 12-14 fighters a year either (BAE said such a thing recently, although they're upping that).
    Here's one way.
    Stealth; its next iteration, supersonic; powered with a Ukrainian engine.
    Launchable off our little carriers.

    Already starting production.

    https://x.com/Selcuk/status/1923091453821014476
    Bayraktar #KIZILELMA PT-4 ✈️🚀🍎

    🛫 AB Kalkışlı Aerodinamik Sistem Tanımlama Testi
    🛫 AB-Assisted Takeoff Aerodynamics System Identification Test

    The painting of battleships in odd ways made a huge difference.

    Of course the needed lesson there was that they were obsolete if you needed to paint them oddly and keep them in obscure fjords.

    Battleships died because they could put (on average) about 2% of shells fired on an opponent. At a range of 10 miles.

    Aircraft carriers could get a far higher percentage of hits at 250 miles. From the top. Where battleship armour was thin. Or below the waterline where there was none.

    An attempt to design a battleship with 12” deck armour was abandoned when it became clear that it would only float upside down.

    So apart from the guns and armour being useless….
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,832

    Leon said:

    .

    Taz said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138

    Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"

    I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.
    Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?
    Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.
    Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.
    She is the biggest musical artist in the world and has just completed the most successful tour in history: 149 shows, 10 million concert goers, and over $2bn in box office revenue. She's a skilled and prolific songwriter - in my view the heir to Dylan in that regard. People who dismiss her as someone who appeals only to teenage girls are missing out on a truly formidable artist at the peak of her powers. Trump is weirdly obsessed with her, but I have no doubt that Swift will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten.
    I liked TayTay before it was fashionable. And I really did, I've liked her since "Red" at least (2012). My wife used to laugh at me for putting on her music when I cooked. She writes really classy countrypop songs, and they are often decidedly and unashamedly sexy. She's great

    However, the idea that "she will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten" is 100% delusional. I am afraid it will take us all many decades to forget Donald J Trump
    How many 19th century US presidents are still talked about? Lincoln, basically. In 100-200 years Trump will be an embarrassing footnote or a difficult pup quiz question. Great art endures, though.
    Trump will be spoken about in the same tones as Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan as one of the worst US Presidents.

    Though I feel he's more like Andrew Jackson whom I don't feel gets recognised enough as being the all-time worst US President in my eyes.

    Agreed though that Taylor's art is likely to survive a long time from now. Deservedly so too, she's very good.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 77,372
    edited May 16

    Leon said:

    .

    Taz said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138

    Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"

    I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.
    Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?
    Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.
    Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.
    She is the biggest musical artist in the world and has just completed the most successful tour in history: 149 shows, 10 million concert goers, and over $2bn in box office revenue. She's a skilled and prolific songwriter - in my view the heir to Dylan in that regard. People who dismiss her as someone who appeals only to teenage girls are missing out on a truly formidable artist at the peak of her powers. Trump is weirdly obsessed with her, but I have no doubt that Swift will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten.
    I liked TayTay before it was fashionable. And I really did, I've liked her since "Red" at least (2012). My wife used to laugh at me for putting on her music when I cooked. She writes really classy countrypop songs, and they are often decidedly and unashamedly sexy. She's great

    However, the idea that "she will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten" is 100% delusional. I am afraid it will take us all many decades to forget Donald J Trump
    Indeed. We are still talking about Stalin eighty years on from WWII.
    Assuming there is an election in 2028, and MAGA gets booted out on its arse, I will be quite happy to forget Trump forever, as soon as he departs the White House.

    No doubt he'd leave a mess to clear up, but the toxic legacy wouldn't be anything approaching within a couple of magnitudes to Stalin's.

    Assuming.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,205

    Leon said:

    .

    Taz said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138

    Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"

    I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.
    Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?
    Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.
    Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.
    She is the biggest musical artist in the world and has just completed the most successful tour in history: 149 shows, 10 million concert goers, and over $2bn in box office revenue. She's a skilled and prolific songwriter - in my view the heir to Dylan in that regard. People who dismiss her as someone who appeals only to teenage girls are missing out on a truly formidable artist at the peak of her powers. Trump is weirdly obsessed with her, but I have no doubt that Swift will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten.
    I liked TayTay before it was fashionable. And I really did, I've liked her since "Red" at least (2012). My wife used to laugh at me for putting on her music when I cooked. She writes really classy countrypop songs, and they are often decidedly and unashamedly sexy. She's great

    However, the idea that "she will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten" is 100% delusional. I am afraid it will take us all many decades to forget Donald J Trump
    How many 19th century US presidents are still talked about? Lincoln, basically. In 100-200 years Trump will be an embarrassing footnote or a difficult pup quiz question. Great art endures, though.
    How many 19th century musicians are still talked about? Chopin, Liszt, Brahms, Tchaikovsky, Grieg, Mussorgsky, Fauré, Berlioz and many others. Musicians do seem to garner more longevity in the public eye!

    Is Taylor Swift as good as Liszt? Yes.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,612

    Leon said:

    .

    Taz said:

    https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138

    Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"

    I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.
    Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?
    Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.
    Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.
    She is the biggest musical artist in the world and has just completed the most successful tour in history: 149 shows, 10 million concert goers, and over $2bn in box office revenue. She's a skilled and prolific songwriter - in my view the heir to Dylan in that regard. People who dismiss her as someone who appeals only to teenage girls are missing out on a truly formidable artist at the peak of her powers. Trump is weirdly obsessed with her, but I have no doubt that Swift will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten.
    I liked TayTay before it was fashionable. And I really did, I've liked her since "Red" at least (2012). My wife used to laugh at me for putting on her music when I cooked. She writes really classy countrypop songs, and they are often decidedly and unashamedly sexy. She's great

    However, the idea that "she will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten" is 100% delusional. I am afraid it will take us all many decades to forget Donald J Trump
    How many 19th century US presidents are still talked about? Lincoln, basically. In 100-200 years Trump will be an embarrassing footnote or a difficult pup quiz question. Great art endures, though.
    Trump will be spoken about in the same tones as Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan as one of the worst US Presidents.

    Though I feel he's more like Andrew Jackson whom I don't feel gets recognised enough as being the all-time worst US President in my eyes.

    Agreed though that Taylor's art is likely to survive a long time from now. Deservedly so too, she's very good.
    Andrew Johnson is being seen as worse and worse for capitulating on Reconstruction.

    James Buchanan was crap, but the Civil War was inevitable by that stage.
Sign In or Register to comment.