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Darth Vader fucked up multiple times on a PostOffice * orders of magnitude level. That kind of incompetence is usually priced at several million a year, plus golden hello, plus golden goodbyeBartholomewRoberts said:
You don't think your incompetence is worth more than £3,000?noneoftheabove said:
For £3,000 I can be as incompetent as you fancy.....Malmesbury said:noneoftheabove said:
If anyone wishes to compare me to Darth Vader I'm quite happy to take it on the chin at a 90% discount, £3,000 will be plenty.DecrepiterJohnL said:Re the header, yes, it is scandalous that compensation has been delayed to the point money is saved by people dying before being paid, as in the contaminated blood and Post Office cases.
The position on wrongful convictions is shameful. Both in denying compensation and in not even investigating and reversing them in a timely manner.
The case might be undermined by some recent awards for less impactful events, especially as news reports can be misleading. £30,000 for being compared to Darth Vader, for instance. There is an element of if you want to win the lottery, play the lottery.
I would object very strongly to being compared to Darth Vader. He is chronically incompetent.noneoftheabove said:
If anyone wishes to compare me to Darth Vader I'm quite happy to take it on the chin at a 90% discount, £3,000 will be plenty.DecrepiterJohnL said:Re the header, yes, it is scandalous that compensation has been delayed to the point money is saved by people dying before being paid, as in the contaminated blood and Post Office cases.
The position on wrongful convictions is shameful. Both in denying compensation and in not even investigating and reversing them in a timely manner.
The case might be undermined by some recent awards for less impactful events, especially as news reports can be misleading. £30,000 for being compared to Darth Vader, for instance. There is an element of if you want to win the lottery, play the lottery.
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
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Well, yes.Malmesbury said:
Ferrets, sack, fighting?Nigelb said:Further to the seven Sevenoaks councillors resignation story, FPT.
Drama at Sevenoaks District Council's Annual Meeting.
First the Tory Leader's nomination for Vice Chair was defeated by another Conservative - put forward by a councillor just deposed from the Cabinet and seconded by a Liberal Democrat...
https://x.com/tonysclayton/status/1923163377653760288
Anyone know what's going on ?
Council now NOC.
But the circumstances - seven resigning the whip - are intriguing, given the current position of the Tories nationally.0 -
I find your faith in the system intriguing.Sean_F said:A depressing, but unsurprising, header. I too had thought compensation for miscarriages of justice was automatic.
Would you like to invest in a scheme I am putting together? - it combines NFTs, crypto, novel physics, novel physics space launch, AI, timeshares in Spain and riverfront land on the Thames (low tide). You would seem to be an ideal fit as investor.0 -
It's when there is a lot of water in the sack, indicating a low lying position relative to the local water table, that the fighting in the sack gets particularly intense.Nigelb said:
Well, yes.Malmesbury said:
Ferrets, sack, fighting?Nigelb said:Further to the seven Sevenoaks councillors resignation story, FPT.
Drama at Sevenoaks District Council's Annual Meeting.
First the Tory Leader's nomination for Vice Chair was defeated by another Conservative - put forward by a councillor just deposed from the Cabinet and seconded by a Liberal Democrat...
https://x.com/tonysclayton/status/1923163377653760288
Anyone know what's going on ?
Council now NOC.
But the circumstances - seven resigning the whip - are intriguing, given the current position of the Tories nationally.0 -
£58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.Nigelb said:This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.
NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.
The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.
“The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.
“This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...0 -
Is there a large, branded hotel tower involved too ?Malmesbury said:
I find your faith in the system intriguing.Sean_F said:A depressing, but unsurprising, header. I too had thought compensation for miscarriages of justice was automatic.
Would you like to invest in a scheme I am putting together? - it combines NFTs, crypto, novel physics, novel physics space launch, AI, timeshares in Spain and riverfront land on the Thames (low tide). You would seem to be an ideal fit as investor.1 -
Darth Vader: [begin force-choke] "I find your lack of faith disturbing!"Malmesbury said:noneoftheabove said:
If anyone wishes to compare me to Darth Vader I'm quite happy to take it on the chin at a 90% discount, £3,000 will be plenty.DecrepiterJohnL said:Re the header, yes, it is scandalous that compensation has been delayed to the point money is saved by people dying before being paid, as in the contaminated blood and Post Office cases.
The position on wrongful convictions is shameful. Both in denying compensation and in not even investigating and reversing them in a timely manner.
The case might be undermined by some recent awards for less impactful events, especially as news reports can be misleading. £30,000 for being compared to Darth Vader, for instance. There is an element of if you want to win the lottery, play the lottery.
I would object very strongly to being compared to Darth Vader. He is chronically incompetent.noneoftheabove said:
If anyone wishes to compare me to Darth Vader I'm quite happy to take it on the chin at a 90% discount, £3,000 will be plenty.DecrepiterJohnL said:Re the header, yes, it is scandalous that compensation has been delayed to the point money is saved by people dying before being paid, as in the contaminated blood and Post Office cases.
The position on wrongful convictions is shameful. Both in denying compensation and in not even investigating and reversing them in a timely manner.
The case might be undermined by some recent awards for less impactful events, especially as news reports can be misleading. £30,000 for being compared to Darth Vader, for instance. There is an element of if you want to win the lottery, play the lottery.0 -
That’s in a separate scheme, for the kind of investors who are reassured by assets having existence.Nigelb said:
Is there a large, branded hotel tower involved too ?Malmesbury said:
I find your faith in the system intriguing.Sean_F said:A depressing, but unsurprising, header. I too had thought compensation for miscarriages of justice was automatic.
Would you like to invest in a scheme I am putting together? - it combines NFTs, crypto, novel physics, novel physics space launch, AI, timeshares in Spain and riverfront land on the Thames (low tide). You would seem to be an ideal fit as investor.0 -
What's the award these days for a lifelong disability from botched childbirth ? That'll make up a largish proportion of the figure I'd guess.DecrepiterJohnL said:
£58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.Nigelb said:This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.
NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.
The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.
“The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.
“This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...0 -
https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"0 -
What's going on is babies...DecrepiterJohnL said:
£58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.Nigelb said:This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.
NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.
The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.
“The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.
“This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...
“But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”
The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?
ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
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The courts will just kick Simion out if he wins, won't they? Like they did with the last fucker whose name I can't remember.rottenborough said:Worse is perhaps to come. In Sunday’s runoff, Romanians will vote for either Mr. Simion or Nicusor Dan, an independent candidate who scored 21 percent of the first-round vote. This race is tighter, but barring a surge in turnout, Mr. Simion looks likely to become the country’s next president.
Romania Is About to Experience Disaster
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/16/opinion/romania-election-simion-dan.html0 -
That's accumulated liability, not annual.DecrepiterJohnL said:
£58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.Nigelb said:This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.
NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.
The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.
“The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.
“This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...
Yearly cash payments in compensation are currently running just short of £3bn - but clearly if the blood scandal victims alone were fully compensated, that figure (which presumably includes some provision for their cases) would rise rather a lot.
As we've seen with the blood scandal, cases can go back several decades. And even individual cases (see the description of the state of maternity care at the link) are likely to take a number of years to go through the courts, if not immediately settled.
Underfunding of essential departments like maternity care leads inevitably to medical errors, and infants can suffer lifetime damage, which will cost a great deal of money in compensation.2 -
There is no way Jenners goes to the Fukkers. He would be slumming it with council house dwelling doylums and he couldn't survive the four years until the GE without being fucked over and purged by Farage.HYUFD said:
The latest polls this month even now still have the Tories third on 16%-22%. That is enough to get them 50 odd MPs still under FPTP and 100-150 MPs if we went to PR.Leon said:
You don't seem to understandHYUFD said:
Why? Jenrick would neither replace Farage as leader or Tice as heir and there are younger councillors in Reform like Jaymey McIvor who also have longterm ambitions.Leon said:
And what if the polls in 2027 are the same as now? Reform around 30 or more, Tories in the teensHYUFD said:
Farage won't tolerate a rival, Jenrick included. Tice would also fancy himself as heir apparent for Reform if Farage ever did go again, after all Tice was Reform leader until Farage returned.Leon said:Thought: Reform are just two gifted politicians from government
The polls are pretty clear now. The people have had enough of Lab and Con. They are absolutely hacked off with ALL immigration - a lot of them want remigration
The only party positioned to benefit from this is Reform. BUT Reform have one massive problem - they are entirely reliant on Farage. With him gone - and he’s not a young man - they’d be screwed
However if they can find just a couple of good, younger politicians - a Sturgeon to Farage’s Salmond - then they will be well set
My mind turns to Jenrick. He’s increasingly capable. He’s excellent on social media. He’s sharp and punchy and he agrees with Reform on the culture war issues
In return he must be tempted to defect if Reform look like winning. He’d go straight to the top (under Farage) and be the likely next prime minister if/when Farage goes
Then they need one more. A spare for the heir
Sorted
Jenrick's best bet is for Farage to fail to become PM at the next GE and Kemi if she survives as Tory leader or Stride or Cleverly if she doesn't to also lose, then he is best placed to become Conservative leader and unite the right again. Ideally against a Labour and LD government so he has opposition to himself
Then Jenrick is fucked and he needs to defect
Farage by then will need an heir. He's a cunning politician and presumably cunning enough to know he's gotta secure a legacy, he can only do that by recruiting younger politicians able to take over
If the Tories are in the teens by late next year either Jenrick replaces Kemi as Tory leader anyway, or Tory MPs replace her with Stride or Cleverly and Jenrick becomes heir apparent as Tory leader if they too lose and if Farage again fails to beat Starmer and become PM he can also start to pick up Reform votes
My thesis is that the Tories might be permanently fucked. Doomed. Destroyed. We can but pray
The polls - and the recent elections - are pointing that way. What does an ambitious political man like Jenrick do then? And he is nothing if not ambitious. What's the point in being leader of the next Lib Dems? The rump of a once great party which will probably never see power again?
He must bide his time for now, but if the polls look terminal for Tories in 2027 - and great for Reform - then his best bet might be: defect. There must be many Tories thinking this, especially if they look doomed to lose their seats, as Tories - as quite a few do, as things stand
As I said he would also have to wait in line in Reform, Farage if he wins next time could be leader for another decade, even if he loses and goes Tice is heir apparent and their are younger ambitious candidates in Reform not yet MPs who would also fancy their chances so Jenrick would be at the back of the queue.
Whereas if he stays in the Tories the membership would now elect him leader over Kemi and even if Tory MPs crowned Cleverly or Stride until the next GE to replace Kemi he would be heir apparent if they lost too
https://conservativehome.com/2025/03/09/our-survey-if-voting-today-conservative-members-would-just-choose-jenrick-as-leader/
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It would be more principled to do it now, rather than later.Daveyboy1961 said:
It would take a lot longer to draw up a new boundary commission and train the electoral staff on whichever method is chosen.Benpointer said:
If the polls look like this 12 months before the GE Labour should just push through PR. Nothing could stop them.noneoftheabove said:
Like all the others, until they have a majority from FPTP.Benpointer said:FPT:
Are Reform still in favour of PR?Andy_JS said:
I don't think they really would win so many seats with 29%.HYUFD said:
Gives Reform 347 MPs and a majority of 44Andy_JS said:Good morning. New poll.
"Techne UK
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📊NEW POLL: LATEST WESTMINSTER VOTER INTENTIONS
Reform 29% (+1)
Lab 22% (-1)
Cons 18% (-1)
Lib Dems 15% (+1)
Greens 9% (=)
SNP 2% (-1)
Others 5% (=)
👥 1635 Surveyed
🔎 Field Work: 14th & 15th May 2025
🗓️ +/- 9th May 2025
🔗 Data: https://ll.ink/Lb52XT
#UKPolitics"
https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1923325941859652075
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/fcgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=N&CON=18&LAB=22&LIB=15&Reform=29&Green=9&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVReform=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=&SCOTLAB=&SCOTLIB=&SCOTReform=&SCOTGreen=&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=&display=AllChanged&regorseat=(none)&boundary=2024base
But moving to STV could be done by lumping current seats together, with the new multi-member seats simply having the number of MPs of the old seats they comprise. That could be done fairly rapidly. Especially as in a multi-member election the boundaries aren’t nearly as critical as they are under FPtP, especially for the larger parties.1 -
I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.williamglenn said:https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"1 -
Your regular efforts to highlight Trump's misogyny, narcissism and sociopathy are much appreciated.williamglenn said:https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"7 -
Probably not.Dura_Ace said:
The courts will just kick Simion out if he wins, won't they? Like they did with the last fucker whose name I can't remember.rottenborough said:Worse is perhaps to come. In Sunday’s runoff, Romanians will vote for either Mr. Simion or Nicusor Dan, an independent candidate who scored 21 percent of the first-round vote. This race is tighter, but barring a surge in turnout, Mr. Simion looks likely to become the country’s next president.
Romania Is About to Experience Disaster
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/16/opinion/romania-election-simion-dan.html0 -
Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?twistedfirestopper3 said:
I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.williamglenn said:https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"0 -
I'm sure she's not going to lose any sleep not being considered hot by the creep who calls his daughter hot.twistedfirestopper3 said:
I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.williamglenn said:https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"1 -
Self styled scammer hunter and his bodyguard called Sting. Love that pic and that name.rottenborough said:This, on the health care visa, is staggering.
Cracking piece of investigative journalism.
UK Visa Scams Squeeze Millions From Would-Be Care Workers
Recent changes to immigration policy won’t do anything for people who’ve been exploited while seeking jobs in the UK. But they may worsen the care-worker shortage.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2025-05-16/uk-visa-scams-squeeze-millions-from-would-be-care-workers?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTc0NzM2ODE5NywiZXhwIjoxNzQ3OTcyOTk3LCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJTV0M1VUVUMEcxS1cwMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiIwRjUwRTk4NTlCMzk0MDI1QjBBMjMyRDAwQUUwNDI1QSJ9.rQaL0jcu53Q5xTM2gBRunI4U78w5y-uyyq-jDZEnRvE&leadSource=uverify wall0 -
SCon candidate drops out-> 29.9% of their vote transferred to Reform.Fairliered said:
Here’s the link to the detailed breakdown of votes in the Clydebank by-election, showing the reallocation of transferred votes.HYUFD said:
My point being clearly more SNP voters went Reform than Labour voters in that seat, so Reform was actually taking significant numbers of Nationalist votes, no surprise really as Farage is more in the Salmond nationalist mould than Swinney, who looks and speaks like a mild mannered accountantDavidL said:
So, roughly 38:62 Nationalist to Unionist and the Nationalist wins. Having only 3 mainstream Unionist parties was obviously not giving the SNP enough of an advantage.HYUFD said:
In last night's Clydebank by election though the SNP vote was down 16% ie down more than the Labour vote which was down 12%vik said:"Reform is much more of a threat to Labour in Scotland compared to the rest of the UK, according to pollster Professor Sir John Curtice.
In an exclusive interview with The Steamie, The Scotsman’s politics podcast, Sir John said the newly-acquired support for Labour in Scotland in last year’s general election is “vulnerable”.
He says this means Labour are more in danger of losing votes to Nigel Farage’s Reform UK in Scotland, whereas in the rest of the UK most of Reform’s vote is coming from the Conservatives."
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nigel-farages-reform-is-more-of-a-threat-to-labour-in-scotland-says-professor-sir-john-curtice-5131742
https://x.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1923301839002378506
https://www.west-dunbarton.gov.uk/council/newsroom/news/2025/may/new-councillor-for-clydebank-waterfront-ward-following-by-election/
LibDem candidate drops out-> 8.4% of their vote transferred to Reform.
SLab candidate drops out-> 11.8% of their vote transferred to Reform.
Averaging these, approx 15 % of the non-Reform unionist vote (6% ot total vote) open to voting Reform rather than SNP?
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Wasn't there a joke on some US comedy or other where Trump is in the audience and the host is talking about the most powerful person in America and the camera pans to Taylor Swift? The Donald does not like jokes at his expense.BartholomewRoberts said:
I'm sure she's not going to lose any sleep not being considered hot by the creep who calls his daughter hot.twistedfirestopper3 said:
I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.williamglenn said:https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"2 -
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Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.Taz said:
Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?twistedfirestopper3 said:
I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.williamglenn said:https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"0 -
Interesting. 3 in Solihull have just quit too.Andy_JS said:Someone mentioned earlier that Sevenoaks Council has suddenly gone from Tory control to no overall control after 7 Conservative councillors resigned. Not sure whether this means they defected to another party.
The Tories really are in a poor state at the moment.0 -
Though it is somewhat like pointing out the lack of flatness around Mount Everest.Nigelb said:
Your regular efforts to highlight Trump's misogyny, narcissism and sociopathy are much appreciated.williamglenn said:https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"0 -
The smallest man who ever lived.williamglenn said:https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"2 -
Definitely not on topic, At RHS Chelsea Flower Show setting up a stand for a Veterans charity. This guy, Kazuyuki Ishihara, was pointed out to me as he has lots of Japanese helpers with him. Apparently they pay highly to be grunts for a week.
On a related subject, I hadn’t realised Margaret Thatcher is buried nearby - pushing up daises beside the show.
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Credit where it's due, though.Malmesbury said:
Though it is somewhat like pointing out the lack of flatness around Mount Everest.Nigelb said:
Your regular efforts to highlight Trump's misogyny, narcissism and sociopathy are much appreciated.williamglenn said:https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"1 -
Talking of Visa scams I remember this story on Sky News.
From last year.
A 45 year old man, his wife and four kids, paid to come here and work in care and had no work when he got here.
Hard bit to feel,sorry for him but at his age, with five economically inactive dependents, how on earth was the Boriswave enabling this a good thing ?1 -
A lot of those bemoaning the length of cyclefree's headers are also the ones bemoaning an uninformed electorate just sayingLeon said:Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree
1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate
2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters
3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital
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Completely OT, this is quite an interesting article on the Chinese J-10C fighter.
It's possible that the recent India/Pakistan clash will provide vital intelligence for (amongst other things) the future defence of Taiwan, the ignorance about Chinese air to air missiles is likely to be dispelled - with at least one recovered virtually intact by India.
https://www.twz.com/air/chinas-j-10c-fighter-separating-myth-from-reality
...Another aspect that could have played into the potential success of the J-10C is the fact that India likely has a much better understanding of how AMRAAM works and is therefore better able to optimize countermeasures for it, compared with the PL-15, and particularly the PL-15E export model.
Bronk continues: “The ability of the Rafale’s onboard electronic countermeasures system and radar warning receiver to potentially detect an incoming missile seeker and/or respond to try and improve the effectiveness of missile defeat maneuvers through ECM is potentially lower against the PL-15 than against AMRAAM, just by dint of the fact that there may be less known about it.”..0 -
It is possible Kemi does stand down, and then the Tories can elect Cleverly or Jenrick to be leader for the 2 or 3 years that most recent Conservative leaders last, and then elect yet another new leader in 2028 ready for the 2029 election.Andy_JS said:If the Tories hit 12% in the polls I wonder if Kemi might leave her post voluntarily? Sometimes you have to admit it just isn't working.
Kemi needs to sack her PMQs team. She is making the same errors week after week after week. Take this question from Wednesday:-
I am very happy to welcome the Prime Minister’s tiny tariff deal, but the fact is that it has put us in a worse position than we were in in March. He should not over-egg the pudding.
Let us talk about how things are getting worse now. In every month of this year, household names like Sainsbury’s, Tesco, Asda and Santander have cut staff numbers. The Office for National Statistics estimates that there are 100,000 fewer jobs than there were a year ago—and that was before the Prime Minister’s jobs tax, which will make things worse. Can he promise the House that by this time next year, unemployment will be lower than it is today?
As ever, Kemi talks about one thing, then pivots to something unrelated which is the meat of her question, but Starmer ignores that and answers the irrelevant preamble about the trade deal because it is easier for him.0 -
They’ve quit to independent. Most likely as a staging post toward joining Reform, their realising that their “safe” Tory wards are no longer safe.Andy_JS said:Someone mentioned earlier that Sevenoaks Council has suddenly gone from Tory control to no overall control after 7 Conservative councillors resigned. Not sure whether this means they defected to another party.
Don’t underestimate the number of councillors there are who are essentially non-political people, who simply joined the dominant political party in their patch because they knew it would deliver them a ward without having to trouble themselves with much activity or campaigning, and allow them to sit on their council and pontificate on local affairs for as long as they liked.
Now that the Tory party can’t deliver, it isn’t any surprise that a lot of them are starting to review their options.1 -
Apparently it "brought them no pleasure" to do what they did.IanB2 said:
They’ve quit to independent. Most likely as a staging post toward joining Reform, their realising that their “safe” Tory wards are no longer safe.Andy_JS said:Someone mentioned earlier that Sevenoaks Council has suddenly gone from Tory control to no overall control after 7 Conservative councillors resigned. Not sure whether this means they defected to another party.
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I would climb over....might just stop for a hour or two mid climb to get my breath back then decide I couldn't climb furthertwistedfirestopper3 said:
I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.williamglenn said:https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"1 -
It sounds as though something else precipitated this, so I wouldn't assume they automatic Reform defectors.IanB2 said:
They’ve quit to independent. Most likely as a staging post toward joining Reform, their realising that their “safe” Tory wards are no longer safe.Andy_JS said:Someone mentioned earlier that Sevenoaks Council has suddenly gone from Tory control to no overall control after 7 Conservative councillors resigned. Not sure whether this means they defected to another party.
Perhaps the remaining Tories on the council are, though ... ?
No doubt we'll find out soon.0 -
At least you recognise that your own efforts to boost the number of supposedly ‘lady’ commenters, with all your various sockpuppets, don’t count.Leon said:Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree
1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate
2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters
3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital
Manners, please, gentlemen
Recognising that your own toxic and often abusive and discriminatory style of posting plays a significant part in discouraging genuine ‘ladies’ from sticking around here would however be the most useful contribution that you could make.
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Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What's going on is babies...DecrepiterJohnL said:
£58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.Nigelb said:This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.
NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.
The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.
“The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.
“This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...
“But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”
The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?
ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.0 -
There's always an arms race, but the arrival of drones on the battlefield (and things like the above) have livened things up.Nigelb said:Completely OT, this is quite an interesting article on the Chinese J-10C fighter.
It's possible that the recent India/Pakistan clash will provide vital intelligence for (amongst other things) the future defence of Taiwan, the ignorance about Chinese air to air missiles is likely to be dispelled - with at least one recovered virtually intact by India.
https://www.twz.com/air/chinas-j-10c-fighter-separating-myth-from-reality
...Another aspect that could have played into the potential success of the J-10C is the fact that India likely has a much better understanding of how AMRAAM works and is therefore better able to optimize countermeasures for it, compared with the PL-15, and particularly the PL-15E export model.
Bronk continues: “The ability of the Rafale’s onboard electronic countermeasures system and radar warning receiver to potentially detect an incoming missile seeker and/or respond to try and improve the effectiveness of missile defeat maneuvers through ECM is potentially lower against the PL-15 than against AMRAAM, just by dint of the fact that there may be less known about it.”..
The West can no longer afford to have a 25 year (or whatever it is) development cycle. We can't afford to be able to make only 12-14 fighters a year either (BAE said such a thing recently, although they're upping that).1 -
The link is a below-par maternity unit, which was one consideration in the Letby case.bondegezou said:
Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What's going on is babies...DecrepiterJohnL said:
£58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.Nigelb said:This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.
NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.
The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.
“The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.
“This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...
“But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”
The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?
ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.1 -
Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.twistedfirestopper3 said:.
Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.Taz said:
Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?twistedfirestopper3 said:
I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.williamglenn said:https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"1 -
Letby was in a neonatology unit, which is different to a maternity ward.DecrepiterJohnL said:
The link is a below-par maternity unit, which was one consideration in the Letby case.bondegezou said:
Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What's going on is babies...DecrepiterJohnL said:
£58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.Nigelb said:This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.
NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.
The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.
“The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.
“This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...
“But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”
The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?
ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.0 -
There was a story about the Stones, or maybe the Beatles, going back to America and being shocked there was no screaming. Same fans, but now older.bondegezou said:
Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.twistedfirestopper3 said:.
Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.Taz said:
Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?twistedfirestopper3 said:
I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.williamglenn said:https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"0 -
I did not know there were any transwomen who required maternity care.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What's going on is babies...DecrepiterJohnL said:
£58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.Nigelb said:This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.
NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.
The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.
“The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.
“This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...
“But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”
The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?
ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.1 -
If paying for example 100k a year (which seems high) an annual bill of 3 billion implies 300k affected by negligence....given those kids are like to die young in any case so guessing maybe 20 years that implies 15k a year for the last 20 years.bondegezou said:
Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What's going on is babies...DecrepiterJohnL said:
£58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.Nigelb said:This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.
NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.
The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.
“The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.
“This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...
“But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”
The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?
ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
Most births as far as I am aware require no medical intervention but lets say 10% do. We have about 600k births a year....10% is therefore 60k births a year
Are we really saying 1 in 4 times when medical intervention is required doctors fuck it up? If so why are we not going what are you doing?0 -
Fascinating thread.
In the right conditions, antibiotic resistance can happen extremely fast. Here is an example from my own work of bacteria overcoming an antibiotic in just eleven days in a giant petri dish
https://x.com/baym/status/1923004841913119073
His work was just defunded.1 -
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Your assumption that "those kids are like to die young" is in error.Pagan2 said:
If paying for example 100k a year (which seems high) an annual bill of 3 billion implies 300k affected by negligence....given those kids are like to die young in any case so guessing maybe 20 years that implies 15k a year for the last 20 years.bondegezou said:
Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What's going on is babies...DecrepiterJohnL said:
£58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.Nigelb said:This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.
NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.
The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.
“The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.
“This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...
“But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”
The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?
ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
Most births as far as I am aware require no medical intervention but lets say 10% do. We have about 600k births a year....10% is therefore 60k births a year
Are we really saying 1 in 4 times when medical intervention is required doctors fuck it up? If so why are we not going what are you doing?0 -
Here's one way.Omnium said:
There's always an arms race, but the arrival of drones on the battlefield (and things like the above) have livened things up.Nigelb said:Completely OT, this is quite an interesting article on the Chinese J-10C fighter.
It's possible that the recent India/Pakistan clash will provide vital intelligence for (amongst other things) the future defence of Taiwan, the ignorance about Chinese air to air missiles is likely to be dispelled - with at least one recovered virtually intact by India.
https://www.twz.com/air/chinas-j-10c-fighter-separating-myth-from-reality
...Another aspect that could have played into the potential success of the J-10C is the fact that India likely has a much better understanding of how AMRAAM works and is therefore better able to optimize countermeasures for it, compared with the PL-15, and particularly the PL-15E export model.
Bronk continues: “The ability of the Rafale’s onboard electronic countermeasures system and radar warning receiver to potentially detect an incoming missile seeker and/or respond to try and improve the effectiveness of missile defeat maneuvers through ECM is potentially lower against the PL-15 than against AMRAAM, just by dint of the fact that there may be less known about it.”..
The West can no longer afford to have a 25 year (or whatever it is) development cycle. We can't afford to be able to make only 12-14 fighters a year either (BAE said such a thing recently, although they're upping that).
Stealth; its next iteration, supersonic; powered with a Ukrainian engine.
Launchable off our little carriers.
Already starting production.
https://x.com/Selcuk/status/1923091453821014476
Bayraktar #KIZILELMA PT-4 ✈️🚀🍎
🛫 AB Kalkışlı Aerodinamik Sistem Tanımlama Testi
🛫 AB-Assisted Takeoff Aerodynamics System Identification Test
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Good article @Cyclefree. Sorry to hear your hospital stay is prolonged. I hope you recover soon.Casino_Royale said:
She's not especially well and is still in hospital receiving treatment. We are in touch.Benpointer said:
I'm afraid I seldom read @Cyclefree's. Too longNigelb said:
You didn't read the header then, obvs.Benpointer said:Surprisingly first.
Let's all be nice to @Cyclefree please.5 -
The Thatchers regularly worshipped in the Chapel of the Royal Hospital Chelsea. Mrs T raised millions for the home of the Chelsea Pensioners and is commemorated with the Margaret Thatcher Infirmary there. She and Sir Dennis have very private and modest roundels marking the interment of their ashes there.Battlebus said:Definitely not on topic, At RHS Chelsea Flower Show setting up a stand for a Veterans charity. This guy, Kazuyuki Ishihara, was pointed out to me as he has lots of Japanese helpers with him. Apparently they pay highly to be grunts for a week.
On a related subject, I hadn’t realised Margaret Thatcher is buried nearby - pushing up daises beside the show.1 -
Ah, your typical good natured, wryly amusing interventionIanB2 said:
At least you recognise that your own efforts to boost the number of supposedly ‘lady’ commenters, with all your various sockpuppets, don’t count.Leon said:Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree
1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate
2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters
3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital
Manners, please, gentlemen
Recognising that your own toxic and often abusive and discriminatory style of posting plays a significant part in discouraging genuine ‘ladies’ from sticking around here would however be the most useful contribution that you could make.1 -
Yes, I suspected it was something else too. Those resigning seemed to indicate some rather deep schism in the Conservative Group over local leadership. Indeed, it does tend to be some kind of major local blow-out when a large group of councillors resign the whip together - defections tend to be a maverick stomping off.Nigelb said:
It sounds as though something else precipitated this, so I wouldn't assume they automatic Reform defectors.IanB2 said:
They’ve quit to independent. Most likely as a staging post toward joining Reform, their realising that their “safe” Tory wards are no longer safe.Andy_JS said:Someone mentioned earlier that Sevenoaks Council has suddenly gone from Tory control to no overall control after 7 Conservative councillors resigned. Not sure whether this means they defected to another party.
Perhaps the remaining Tories on the council are, though ... ?
No doubt we'll find out soon.
Elections in Sevenoaks also aren't due until 2027. If existing councillors are worried about a RefUK tide (and they may well be) they can afford to sit tight for a while and see how it pans out before any sort of tactical defection. Whilst they could be in trouble in a couple of years time, it's not implausible that RefUK will run into choppy waters controlling the County Council. Sevenoaks was the part of Kent where the Tories held up best in terms of votes in May (still dire but RefUK only very narrowly topped the poll) and it's possible but not obvious that a sitting Tory councillor would be sensible to move over.0 -
DEFECTIONS
As some of you may know, I write an occasional piece elsewhere on the state of local government defections. For the position just before the May elections, my review is here:-
https://liberalengland.blogspot.com/2025/04/guest-post-256-local-councillors-have.html
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Then you will have a source to back it up or just one of your assertions?bondegezou said:
Your assumption that "those kids are like to die young" is in error.Pagan2 said:
If paying for example 100k a year (which seems high) an annual bill of 3 billion implies 300k affected by negligence....given those kids are like to die young in any case so guessing maybe 20 years that implies 15k a year for the last 20 years.bondegezou said:
Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What's going on is babies...DecrepiterJohnL said:
£58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.Nigelb said:This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.
NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.
The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.
“The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.
“This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...
“But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”
The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?
ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
Most births as far as I am aware require no medical intervention but lets say 10% do. We have about 600k births a year....10% is therefore 60k births a year
Are we really saying 1 in 4 times when medical intervention is required doctors fuck it up? If so why are we not going what are you doing?0 -
The first post he's made in years that suggests he's aware of the concerns of other people and you clobber him for it!!IanB2 said:
At least you recognise that your own efforts to boost the number of supposedly ‘lady’ commenters, with all your various sockpuppets, don’t count.Leon said:Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree
1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate
2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters
3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital
Manners, please, gentlemen
Recognising that your own toxic and often abusive and discriminatory style of posting plays a significant part in discouraging genuine ‘ladies’ from sticking around here would however be the most useful contribution that you could make.
( @Cyclefree is of course great, @Leon less so, and @IanB2 has a dog that looks wiser than I am)2 -
Jolyon Maugham is at it again:
https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724
We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.
So today we've started legal proceedings against them.0 -
Has he actually ever won one of these cases?williamglenn said:Jolyon Maugham is at it again:
https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724
We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.
So today we've started legal proceedings against them.0 -
There absolutely is a link, as recognised by experts, of subpar quality and care.bondegezou said:
Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What's going on is babies...DecrepiterJohnL said:
£58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.Nigelb said:This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.
NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.
The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.
“The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.
“This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...
“But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”
The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?
ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.0 -
She is the biggest musical artist in the world and has just completed the most successful tour in history: 149 shows, 10 million concert goers, and over $2bn in box office revenue. She's a skilled and prolific songwriter - in my view the heir to Dylan in that regard. People who dismiss her as someone who appeals only to teenage girls are missing out on a truly formidable artist at the peak of her powers. Trump is weirdly obsessed with her, but I have no doubt that Swift will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten.bondegezou said:
Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.twistedfirestopper3 said:.
Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.Taz said:
Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?twistedfirestopper3 said:
I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.williamglenn said:https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"3 -
You may recall I was recently at the country’s poshest railway station, Marylebone, and acknowledged after Sunil’s lobbying that St Pancras is probably the country’s flashiest.
Today I wonder whether Paddington on a Friday afternoon is the country’s most cheerful station. Hordes of happy faced travellers in summer garb eagerly eying noticeboards with destinations like Penzance, Weston super Mare and Carmarthen. Sunshine outside (it’s always sunny in Paddington). And now on the train the woman opposite just ordered a mini Prosecco bottle while apologising good humouredly on the phone for a work cockup, an interesting gentleman who just got 2 for 1 Birra Moretti is laying down the law about the habits of bees, and the elderlyish lady opposite me with a cup of tea is telling her neighbour you’re only as old as you feel.
(Oh and they all looked over fleetingly after I farted a bit more loudly than I’d planned).6 -
The painting of battleships in odd ways made a huge difference.Nigelb said:
Here's one way.Omnium said:
There's always an arms race, but the arrival of drones on the battlefield (and things like the above) have livened things up.Nigelb said:Completely OT, this is quite an interesting article on the Chinese J-10C fighter.
It's possible that the recent India/Pakistan clash will provide vital intelligence for (amongst other things) the future defence of Taiwan, the ignorance about Chinese air to air missiles is likely to be dispelled - with at least one recovered virtually intact by India.
https://www.twz.com/air/chinas-j-10c-fighter-separating-myth-from-reality
...Another aspect that could have played into the potential success of the J-10C is the fact that India likely has a much better understanding of how AMRAAM works and is therefore better able to optimize countermeasures for it, compared with the PL-15, and particularly the PL-15E export model.
Bronk continues: “The ability of the Rafale’s onboard electronic countermeasures system and radar warning receiver to potentially detect an incoming missile seeker and/or respond to try and improve the effectiveness of missile defeat maneuvers through ECM is potentially lower against the PL-15 than against AMRAAM, just by dint of the fact that there may be less known about it.”..
The West can no longer afford to have a 25 year (or whatever it is) development cycle. We can't afford to be able to make only 12-14 fighters a year either (BAE said such a thing recently, although they're upping that).
Stealth; its next iteration, supersonic; powered with a Ukrainian engine.
Launchable off our little carriers.
Already starting production.
https://x.com/Selcuk/status/1923091453821014476
Bayraktar #KIZILELMA PT-4 ✈️🚀🍎
🛫 AB Kalkışlı Aerodinamik Sistem Tanımlama Testi
🛫 AB-Assisted Takeoff Aerodynamics System Identification Test
Of course the needed lesson there was that they were obsolete if you needed to paint them oddly and keep them in obscure fjords.
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Electric arc furnace, in the Mojave Desert, to be run using 100% renewables.
"California’s economy forges ahead: Pacific Steel breaks ground on state’s first new steel mill in 50 years"..
https://x.com/zanehengsperger/status/19231724675534684791 -
First artist to be a billionaire from music alone - enough said.OnlyLivingBoy said:
She is the biggest musical artist in the world and has just completed the most successful tour in history: 149 shows, 10 million concert goers, and over $2bn in box office revenue. She's a skilled and prolific songwriter - in my view the heir to Dylan in that regard. People who dismiss her as someone who appeals only to teenage girls are missing out on a truly formidable artist at the peak of her powers. Trump is weirdly obsessed with her, but I have no doubt that Swift will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten.bondegezou said:
Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.twistedfirestopper3 said:.
Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.Taz said:
Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?twistedfirestopper3 said:
I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.williamglenn said:https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"3 -
The Good Law Project have a pretty decent return in terms of wins.Pagan2 said:
Has he actually ever won one of these cases?williamglenn said:Jolyon Maugham is at it again:
https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724
We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.
So today we've started legal proceedings against them.
This is their spreadsheet, so you'd expect a bit of a bias towards claiming a win when a result is a bit more ambiguous, but it does broadly check out: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQcKz6gPDkdVwBMb_JhHGiP0aL4fKefo_l5OvUgoGVBPxf2VXV66bqhGSLrzspxT7eBYFjuiVTXOH0H/pubhtml
I think you can criticise them for some of the cases they take on, and the value in some of them. But they aren't hopeless vexatious litigants... they are capable lawyers with a good batting average.2 -
Also notice while admit I made some assumptions you only challenge one of them....I think it is unliked that the compensation for this negligence for example is anywhere near a 100k each. Even if you doubled the life expectancy of these kids to 40 assuming 100k that still implies doctors are negligent in 1 in 8 times and sorry my point is that seems unacceptably high.bondegezou said:
Your assumption that "those kids are like to die young" is in error.Pagan2 said:
If paying for example 100k a year (which seems high) an annual bill of 3 billion implies 300k affected by negligence....given those kids are like to die young in any case so guessing maybe 20 years that implies 15k a year for the last 20 years.bondegezou said:
Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What's going on is babies...DecrepiterJohnL said:
£58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.Nigelb said:This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.
NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.
The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.
“The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.
“This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...
“But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”
The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?
ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
Most births as far as I am aware require no medical intervention but lets say 10% do. We have about 600k births a year....10% is therefore 60k births a year
Are we really saying 1 in 4 times when medical intervention is required doctors fuck it up? If so why are we not going what are you doing?
We are talking negligence here not just difficult births damage kids, the doctors and nurses actually did things that made the outcome worse0 -
I was asking about Jolyon himself I fail to remember him ever winning a caseSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The Good Law Project have a pretty decent return in terms of wins.Pagan2 said:
Has he actually ever won one of these cases?williamglenn said:Jolyon Maugham is at it again:
https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724
We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.
So today we've started legal proceedings against them.
This is their spreadsheet, so you'd expect a bit of a bias towards claiming a win when a result is a bit more ambiguous, but it does broadly check out: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQcKz6gPDkdVwBMb_JhHGiP0aL4fKefo_l5OvUgoGVBPxf2VXV66bqhGSLrzspxT7eBYFjuiVTXOH0H/pubhtml
I think you can criticise them for some of the cases they take on, and the value in some of them. But they aren't hopeless vexatious litigants... they are capable lawyers with a good batting average.0 -
That's the point. There was no need for the NHS to get het up about it.AnneJGP said:
I did not know there were any transwomen who required maternity care.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What's going on is babies...DecrepiterJohnL said:
£58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.Nigelb said:This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.
NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.
The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.
“The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.
“This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...
“But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”
The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?
ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.0 -
I don't understand the distinction you are making. Maugham runs his cases under the auspices of the Good Law Project, the campaign group he founded.Pagan2 said:
I was asking about Jolyon himself I fail to remember him ever winning a caseSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The Good Law Project have a pretty decent return in terms of wins.Pagan2 said:
Has he actually ever won one of these cases?williamglenn said:Jolyon Maugham is at it again:
https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724
We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.
So today we've started legal proceedings against them.
This is their spreadsheet, so you'd expect a bit of a bias towards claiming a win when a result is a bit more ambiguous, but it does broadly check out: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQcKz6gPDkdVwBMb_JhHGiP0aL4fKefo_l5OvUgoGVBPxf2VXV66bqhGSLrzspxT7eBYFjuiVTXOH0H/pubhtml
I think you can criticise them for some of the cases they take on, and the value in some of them. But they aren't hopeless vexatious litigants... they are capable lawyers with a good batting average.0 -
https://www.higgsllp.co.uk/articles/birth-injury-and-trauma-cases-against-the-nhsPagan2 said:
Also notice while admit I made some assumptions you only challenge one of them....I think it is unliked that the compensation for this negligence for example is anywhere near a 100k each. Even if you doubled the life expectancy of these kids to 40 assuming 100k that still implies doctors are negligent in 1 in 8 times and sorry my point is that seems unacceptably high.bondegezou said:
Your assumption that "those kids are like to die young" is in error.Pagan2 said:
If paying for example 100k a year (which seems high) an annual bill of 3 billion implies 300k affected by negligence....given those kids are like to die young in any case so guessing maybe 20 years that implies 15k a year for the last 20 years.bondegezou said:
Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What's going on is babies...DecrepiterJohnL said:
£58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.Nigelb said:This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.
NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.
The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.
“The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.
“This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...
“But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”
The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?
ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
Most births as far as I am aware require no medical intervention but lets say 10% do. We have about 600k births a year....10% is therefore 60k births a year
Are we really saying 1 in 4 times when medical intervention is required doctors fuck it up? If so why are we not going what are you doing?
We are talking negligence here not just difficult births damage kids, the doctors and nurses actually did things that made the outcome worse
...According to NHS Resolution, which handles clinical negligence claims on behalf of the NHS in England, maternity cases account for a disproportionate amount of compensation paid out. In 2022/23:
Maternity claims represented 41% by value of all medical negligence claims
The total cost of maternity claims was £1.1 billion in 2022-23
The high values stem from the lifetime care needs of children left with severe disabilities like cerebral palsy.
Brain damage was the most common type of birth injury claim between 2017 and 2023. NHS Resolution data shows that, during this period, there were 730 claims related to brain damage caused to babies during birth.
Prominent high-value birth injury cases
£30 million settlement (2024)
In 2024, Stockport NHS Foundation Trust settled for almost £30 million after a baby girl suffered catastrophic injuries shortly after birth..
£37 million settlement (2018)
A six-year-old boy received £37m in compensation from the NHS after he suffered a “catastrophic” brain injury after his birth at Watford General Hospital...
At the time, the payout was the highest award ever in a clinical negligence case against the NHS.
£21 million settlement (2023)
A boy who was left with severe cerebral palsy as a result of oxygen deprivation at birth won a £21m settlement from a never-named London NHS trust...
£27 million settlement (2023)
A 10-year-old was awarded £27 million after being diagnosed with quadriplegic cerebral palsy...
£17 million settlement (2023)
In 2023 the NHS agreed to pay compensation totalling more than £17m to a 19-year-old man for the injuries he sustained during birth...
Factors driving high-value claims
Several factors contribute to the extremely high values seen in birth injury compensation claims:
Lifetime care needs: Children with severe birth-related disabilities often require round-the-clock care for life. Compensation must cover professional carers, therapies, medical treatments and specialised equipment...0 -
The distinction would be if the good law project take on a 100 cases and won 50, jolyon fronted all the losing ones you wouldn't call him effectiveSirNorfolkPassmore said:
I don't understand the distinction you are making. Maugham runs his cases under the auspices of the Good Law Project, the campaign group he founded.Pagan2 said:
I was asking about Jolyon himself I fail to remember him ever winning a caseSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The Good Law Project have a pretty decent return in terms of wins.Pagan2 said:
Has he actually ever won one of these cases?williamglenn said:Jolyon Maugham is at it again:
https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724
We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.
So today we've started legal proceedings against them.
This is their spreadsheet, so you'd expect a bit of a bias towards claiming a win when a result is a bit more ambiguous, but it does broadly check out: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQcKz6gPDkdVwBMb_JhHGiP0aL4fKefo_l5OvUgoGVBPxf2VXV66bqhGSLrzspxT7eBYFjuiVTXOH0H/pubhtml
I think you can criticise them for some of the cases they take on, and the value in some of them. But they aren't hopeless vexatious litigants... they are capable lawyers with a good batting average.0 -
It’s noticeable some of their claimed ‘wins’ are where they did not actually take any court action for a variety of reasons.Pagan2 said:
The distinction would be if the good law project take on a 100 cases and won 50, jolyon fronted all the losing ones you wouldn't call him effectiveSirNorfolkPassmore said:
I don't understand the distinction you are making. Maugham runs his cases under the auspices of the Good Law Project, the campaign group he founded.Pagan2 said:
I was asking about Jolyon himself I fail to remember him ever winning a caseSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The Good Law Project have a pretty decent return in terms of wins.Pagan2 said:
Has he actually ever won one of these cases?williamglenn said:Jolyon Maugham is at it again:
https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724
We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.
So today we've started legal proceedings against them.
This is their spreadsheet, so you'd expect a bit of a bias towards claiming a win when a result is a bit more ambiguous, but it does broadly check out: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQcKz6gPDkdVwBMb_JhHGiP0aL4fKefo_l5OvUgoGVBPxf2VXV66bqhGSLrzspxT7eBYFjuiVTXOH0H/pubhtml
I think you can criticise them for some of the cases they take on, and the value in some of them. But they aren't hopeless vexatious litigants... they are capable lawyers with a good batting average.0 -
I don't think you really understand what the Good Law Project is. It is the corporate entity through which Maugham runs his cases - he is the chief exec, they are all his cases.Pagan2 said:
The distinction would be if the good law project take on a 100 cases and won 50, jolyon fronted all the losing ones you wouldn't call him effectiveSirNorfolkPassmore said:
I don't understand the distinction you are making. Maugham runs his cases under the auspices of the Good Law Project, the campaign group he founded.Pagan2 said:
I was asking about Jolyon himself I fail to remember him ever winning a caseSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The Good Law Project have a pretty decent return in terms of wins.Pagan2 said:
Has he actually ever won one of these cases?williamglenn said:Jolyon Maugham is at it again:
https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724
We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.
So today we've started legal proceedings against them.
This is their spreadsheet, so you'd expect a bit of a bias towards claiming a win when a result is a bit more ambiguous, but it does broadly check out: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQcKz6gPDkdVwBMb_JhHGiP0aL4fKefo_l5OvUgoGVBPxf2VXV66bqhGSLrzspxT7eBYFjuiVTXOH0H/pubhtml
I think you can criticise them for some of the cases they take on, and the value in some of them. But they aren't hopeless vexatious litigants... they are capable lawyers with a good batting average.0 -
I do understand it, he uses it to feather his own nest is what its aboutSirNorfolkPassmore said:
I don't think you really understand what the Good Law Project is. It is the corporate entity through which Maugham runs his cases - he is the chief exec, they are all his cases.Pagan2 said:
The distinction would be if the good law project take on a 100 cases and won 50, jolyon fronted all the losing ones you wouldn't call him effectiveSirNorfolkPassmore said:
I don't understand the distinction you are making. Maugham runs his cases under the auspices of the Good Law Project, the campaign group he founded.Pagan2 said:
I was asking about Jolyon himself I fail to remember him ever winning a caseSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The Good Law Project have a pretty decent return in terms of wins.Pagan2 said:
Has he actually ever won one of these cases?williamglenn said:Jolyon Maugham is at it again:
https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724
We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.
So today we've started legal proceedings against them.
This is their spreadsheet, so you'd expect a bit of a bias towards claiming a win when a result is a bit more ambiguous, but it does broadly check out: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQcKz6gPDkdVwBMb_JhHGiP0aL4fKefo_l5OvUgoGVBPxf2VXV66bqhGSLrzspxT7eBYFjuiVTXOH0H/pubhtml
I think you can criticise them for some of the cases they take on, and the value in some of them. But they aren't hopeless vexatious litigants... they are capable lawyers with a good batting average.0 -
Not up to date, but someone did a spreadsheet.Pagan2 said:
Has he actually ever won one of these cases?williamglenn said:Jolyon Maugham is at it again:
https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724
We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.
So today we've started legal proceedings against them.
Occasionally he wins or half wins. The two year period with no wins though... Oh dear.0 -
Why so aggressive in your tone, Pagan? Anyway...Pagan2 said:
Then you will have a source to back it up or just one of your assertions?bondegezou said:
Your assumption that "those kids are like to die young" is in error.Pagan2 said:
If paying for example 100k a year (which seems high) an annual bill of 3 billion implies 300k affected by negligence....given those kids are like to die young in any case so guessing maybe 20 years that implies 15k a year for the last 20 years.bondegezou said:
Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What's going on is babies...DecrepiterJohnL said:
£58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.Nigelb said:This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.
NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.
The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.
“The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.
“This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...
“But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”
The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?
ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
Most births as far as I am aware require no medical intervention but lets say 10% do. We have about 600k births a year....10% is therefore 60k births a year
Are we really saying 1 in 4 times when medical intervention is required doctors fuck it up? If so why are we not going what are you doing?
https://www.cerebralpalsyguide.com/cerebral-palsy/prognosis/life-expectancy/
Average life expectancies by severity of cerebral palsy
The life expectancy of someone with cerebral palsy can vary based on the severity of their symptoms. Cerebral palsy severity is generally categorized as mild or severe depending on the extent of the brain damage and the co-occurring conditions present.
Mild cerebral palsy life expectancy
An individual with mild cerebral palsy will likely have a similar life expectancy as an individual who does not have the condition.
An article written by Dr. Ananya Mandal, a clinical pharmacologist from the Government Medical College in West Bengal, shows that a two year-old child with mild cerebral palsy has a 99% chance of living to 20 years old. Additionally, according to a study on individuals with cerebral palsy by BMC Neurology, more than 80% of individuals have a life expectancy of 58 years or more.
Severe cerebral palsy life expectancy
Severe cerebral palsy may have a shorter life expectancy than mild cerebral palsy patients.
Patients with severe cerebral palsy tend to have significant mobility and/or intellectual limitations. For this reason, these individuals have a 40% chance of living to 20 years old.
According to BMC Neurology, the early childhood mortality rate for severe cerebral palsy patients with multiple impairments has decreased since 1990. Most children with severe cerebral palsy will reach adulthood.
The study analyzed individuals with cerebral palsy to determine their overall disability score (DISAB). The DISAB accounts for severity of movement and cognitive impairments, active epilepsy, and bilateral blindness and/or deafness. Individuals with low disability scores (DISAB between 1 and 5) had higher chances of survival over those with higher disability scores (DISAB between 6 and 12).1 -
@LadyG , a lady, quite liked the old fruit, I think.IanB2 said:
At least you recognise that your own efforts to boost the number of supposedly ‘lady’ commenters, with all your various sockpuppets, don’t count.Leon said:Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree
1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate
2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters
3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital
Manners, please, gentlemen
Recognising that your own toxic and often abusive and discriminatory style of posting plays a significant part in discouraging genuine ‘ladies’ from sticking around here would however be the most useful contribution that you could make.0 -
That is one birth issue now bring it on for all the others and even it says for those with severe cerebal palsy....the ones therefore getting the highest payout they only have a 40% chance of getting to 20bondegezou said:
https://www.cerebralpalsyguide.com/cerebral-palsy/prognosis/life-expectancy/Pagan2 said:
Then you will have a source to back it up or just one of your assertions?bondegezou said:
Your assumption that "those kids are like to die young" is in error.Pagan2 said:
If paying for example 100k a year (which seems high) an annual bill of 3 billion implies 300k affected by negligence....given those kids are like to die young in any case so guessing maybe 20 years that implies 15k a year for the last 20 years.bondegezou said:
Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What's going on is babies...DecrepiterJohnL said:
£58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.Nigelb said:This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.
NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.
The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.
“The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.
“This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...
“But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”
The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?
ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
Most births as far as I am aware require no medical intervention but lets say 10% do. We have about 600k births a year....10% is therefore 60k births a year
Are we really saying 1 in 4 times when medical intervention is required doctors fuck it up? If so why are we not going what are you doing?
Average life expectancies by severity of cerebral palsy
The life expectancy of someone with cerebral palsy can vary based on the severity of their symptoms. Cerebral palsy severity is generally categorized as mild or severe depending on the extent of the brain damage and the co-occurring conditions present.
Mild cerebral palsy life expectancy
An individual with mild cerebral palsy will likely have a similar life expectancy as an individual who does not have the condition.
An article written by Dr. Ananya Mandal, a clinical pharmacologist from the Government Medical College in West Bengal, shows that a two year-old child with mild cerebral palsy has a 99% chance of living to 20 years old. Additionally, according to a study on individuals with cerebral palsy by BMC Neurology, more than 80% of individuals have a life expectancy of 58 years or more.
Severe cerebral palsy life expectancy
Severe cerebral palsy may have a shorter life expectancy than mild cerebral palsy patients.
Patients with severe cerebral palsy tend to have significant mobility and/or intellectual limitations. For this reason, these individuals have a 40% chance of living to 20 years old.
According to BMC Neurology, the early childhood mortality rate for severe cerebral palsy patients with multiple impairments has decreased since 1990. Most children with severe cerebral palsy will reach adulthood.
The study analyzed individuals with cerebral palsy to determine their overall disability score (DISAB). The DISAB accounts for severity of movement and cognitive impairments, active epilepsy, and bilateral blindness and/or deafness. Individuals with low disability scores (DISAB between 1 and 5) had higher chances of survival over those with higher disability scores (DISAB between 6 and 12).0 -
Subpar quality and care generally is linked to significant morbidity and mortality across all sectors of healthcare. However, what happens at birth and what happens in a neonatology unit are different forms of healthcare.BartholomewRoberts said:
There absolutely is a link, as recognised by experts, of subpar quality and care.bondegezou said:
Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What's going on is babies...DecrepiterJohnL said:
£58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.Nigelb said:This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.
NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.
The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.
“The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.
“This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...
“But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”
The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?
ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.0 -
There's also the whole "named after a bear" thing.TimS said:You may recall I was recently at the country’s poshest railway station, Marylebone, and acknowledged after Sunil’s lobbying that St Pancras is probably the country’s flashiest.
Today I wonder whether Paddington on a Friday afternoon is the country’s most cheerful station. Hordes of happy faced travellers in summer garb eagerly eying noticeboards with destinations like Penzance, Weston super Mare and Carmarthen. Sunshine outside (it’s always sunny in Paddington). And now on the train the woman opposite just ordered a mini Prosecco bottle while apologising good humouredly on the phone for a work cockup, an interesting gentleman who just got 2 for 1 Birra Moretti is laying down the law about the habits of bees, and the elderlyish lady opposite me with a cup of tea is telling her neighbour you’re only as old as you feel.
(Oh and they all looked over fleetingly after I farted a bit more loudly than I’d planned).
(What do you mean, it was the other way round?)0 -
One of my friends has cerebral palsy, he's a software developer. It's definitely a disability on a scale.bondegezou said:
Why so aggressive in your tone, Pagan? Anyway...Pagan2 said:
Then you will have a source to back it up or just one of your assertions?bondegezou said:
Your assumption that "those kids are like to die young" is in error.Pagan2 said:
If paying for example 100k a year (which seems high) an annual bill of 3 billion implies 300k affected by negligence....given those kids are like to die young in any case so guessing maybe 20 years that implies 15k a year for the last 20 years.bondegezou said:
Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What's going on is babies...DecrepiterJohnL said:
£58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.Nigelb said:This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.
NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.
The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.
“The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.
“This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...
“But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”
The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?
ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
Most births as far as I am aware require no medical intervention but lets say 10% do. We have about 600k births a year....10% is therefore 60k births a year
Are we really saying 1 in 4 times when medical intervention is required doctors fuck it up? If so why are we not going what are you doing?
https://www.cerebralpalsyguide.com/cerebral-palsy/prognosis/life-expectancy/
Average life expectancies by severity of cerebral palsy
The life expectancy of someone with cerebral palsy can vary based on the severity of their symptoms. Cerebral palsy severity is generally categorized as mild or severe depending on the extent of the brain damage and the co-occurring conditions present.
Mild cerebral palsy life expectancy
An individual with mild cerebral palsy will likely have a similar life expectancy as an individual who does not have the condition.
An article written by Dr. Ananya Mandal, a clinical pharmacologist from the Government Medical College in West Bengal, shows that a two year-old child with mild cerebral palsy has a 99% chance of living to 20 years old. Additionally, according to a study on individuals with cerebral palsy by BMC Neurology, more than 80% of individuals have a life expectancy of 58 years or more.
Severe cerebral palsy life expectancy
Severe cerebral palsy may have a shorter life expectancy than mild cerebral palsy patients.
Patients with severe cerebral palsy tend to have significant mobility and/or intellectual limitations. For this reason, these individuals have a 40% chance of living to 20 years old.
According to BMC Neurology, the early childhood mortality rate for severe cerebral palsy patients with multiple impairments has decreased since 1990. Most children with severe cerebral palsy will reach adulthood.
The study analyzed individuals with cerebral palsy to determine their overall disability score (DISAB). The DISAB accounts for severity of movement and cognitive impairments, active epilepsy, and bilateral blindness and/or deafness. Individuals with low disability scores (DISAB between 1 and 5) had higher chances of survival over those with higher disability scores (DISAB between 6 and 12).2 -
I liked TayTay before it was fashionable. And I really did, I've liked her since "Red" at least (2012). My wife used to laugh at me for putting on her music when I cooked. She writes really classy countrypop songs, and they are often decidedly and unashamedly sexy. She's greatOnlyLivingBoy said:
She is the biggest musical artist in the world and has just completed the most successful tour in history: 149 shows, 10 million concert goers, and over $2bn in box office revenue. She's a skilled and prolific songwriter - in my view the heir to Dylan in that regard. People who dismiss her as someone who appeals only to teenage girls are missing out on a truly formidable artist at the peak of her powers. Trump is weirdly obsessed with her, but I have no doubt that Swift will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten.bondegezou said:
Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.twistedfirestopper3 said:.
Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.Taz said:
Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?twistedfirestopper3 said:
I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.williamglenn said:https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"
However, the idea that "she will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten" is 100% delusional. I am afraid it will take us all many decades to forget Donald J Trump0 -
Of those resolved, 12 wins, 33 losses or abandoned. An unchecked number were unresolved.carnforth said:
Not up to date, but someone did a spreadsheet.Pagan2 said:
Has he actually ever won one of these cases?williamglenn said:Jolyon Maugham is at it again:
https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724
We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.
So today we've started legal proceedings against them.
Occasionally he wins or half wins. The two year period with no wins though... Oh dear.0 -
Cerebral palsy is the main birth issue associated with claims, as per @Nigelb 's post above.Pagan2 said:
That is one birth issue now bring it on for all the others and even it says for those with severe cerebal palsy....the ones therefore getting the highest payout they only have a 40% chance of getting to 20bondegezou said:
https://www.cerebralpalsyguide.com/cerebral-palsy/prognosis/life-expectancy/Pagan2 said:
Then you will have a source to back it up or just one of your assertions?bondegezou said:
Your assumption that "those kids are like to die young" is in error.Pagan2 said:
If paying for example 100k a year (which seems high) an annual bill of 3 billion implies 300k affected by negligence....given those kids are like to die young in any case so guessing maybe 20 years that implies 15k a year for the last 20 years.bondegezou said:
Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What's going on is babies...DecrepiterJohnL said:
£58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.Nigelb said:This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.
NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.
The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.
“The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.
“This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...
“But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”
The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?
ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
Most births as far as I am aware require no medical intervention but lets say 10% do. We have about 600k births a year....10% is therefore 60k births a year
Are we really saying 1 in 4 times when medical intervention is required doctors fuck it up? If so why are we not going what are you doing?
Average life expectancies by severity of cerebral palsy
The life expectancy of someone with cerebral palsy can vary based on the severity of their symptoms. Cerebral palsy severity is generally categorized as mild or severe depending on the extent of the brain damage and the co-occurring conditions present.
Mild cerebral palsy life expectancy
An individual with mild cerebral palsy will likely have a similar life expectancy as an individual who does not have the condition.
An article written by Dr. Ananya Mandal, a clinical pharmacologist from the Government Medical College in West Bengal, shows that a two year-old child with mild cerebral palsy has a 99% chance of living to 20 years old. Additionally, according to a study on individuals with cerebral palsy by BMC Neurology, more than 80% of individuals have a life expectancy of 58 years or more.
Severe cerebral palsy life expectancy
Severe cerebral palsy may have a shorter life expectancy than mild cerebral palsy patients.
Patients with severe cerebral palsy tend to have significant mobility and/or intellectual limitations. For this reason, these individuals have a 40% chance of living to 20 years old.
According to BMC Neurology, the early childhood mortality rate for severe cerebral palsy patients with multiple impairments has decreased since 1990. Most children with severe cerebral palsy will reach adulthood.
The study analyzed individuals with cerebral palsy to determine their overall disability score (DISAB). The DISAB accounts for severity of movement and cognitive impairments, active epilepsy, and bilateral blindness and/or deafness. Individuals with low disability scores (DISAB between 1 and 5) had higher chances of survival over those with higher disability scores (DISAB between 6 and 12).0 -
Lawyers don't work for free. Who knew?Pagan2 said:
I do understand it, he uses it to feather his own nest is what its aboutSirNorfolkPassmore said:
I don't think you really understand what the Good Law Project is. It is the corporate entity through which Maugham runs his cases - he is the chief exec, they are all his cases.Pagan2 said:
The distinction would be if the good law project take on a 100 cases and won 50, jolyon fronted all the losing ones you wouldn't call him effectiveSirNorfolkPassmore said:
I don't understand the distinction you are making. Maugham runs his cases under the auspices of the Good Law Project, the campaign group he founded.Pagan2 said:
I was asking about Jolyon himself I fail to remember him ever winning a caseSirNorfolkPassmore said:
The Good Law Project have a pretty decent return in terms of wins.Pagan2 said:
Has he actually ever won one of these cases?williamglenn said:Jolyon Maugham is at it again:
https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724
We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.
So today we've started legal proceedings against them.
This is their spreadsheet, so you'd expect a bit of a bias towards claiming a win when a result is a bit more ambiguous, but it does broadly check out: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQcKz6gPDkdVwBMb_JhHGiP0aL4fKefo_l5OvUgoGVBPxf2VXV66bqhGSLrzspxT7eBYFjuiVTXOH0H/pubhtml
I think you can criticise them for some of the cases they take on, and the value in some of them. But they aren't hopeless vexatious litigants... they are capable lawyers with a good batting average.
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How many 19th century US presidents are still talked about? Lincoln, basically. In 100-200 years Trump will be an embarrassing footnote or a difficult pup quiz question. Great art endures, though.Leon said:
I liked TayTay before it was fashionable. And I really did, I've liked her since "Red" at least (2012). My wife used to laugh at me for putting on her music when I cooked. She writes really classy countrypop songs, and they are often decidedly and unashamedly sexy. She's greatOnlyLivingBoy said:
She is the biggest musical artist in the world and has just completed the most successful tour in history: 149 shows, 10 million concert goers, and over $2bn in box office revenue. She's a skilled and prolific songwriter - in my view the heir to Dylan in that regard. People who dismiss her as someone who appeals only to teenage girls are missing out on a truly formidable artist at the peak of her powers. Trump is weirdly obsessed with her, but I have no doubt that Swift will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten.bondegezou said:
Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.twistedfirestopper3 said:.
Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.Taz said:
Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?twistedfirestopper3 said:
I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.williamglenn said:https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"
However, the idea that "she will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten" is 100% delusional. I am afraid it will take us all many decades to forget Donald J Trump0 -
You are all under a strange illusion that I give a particular fuck what you think about me. Surely my posting history disproves that?? I find @IanB2's bitter and furious anger at me flattering. He must wake up fuming. I absolutely enjoy stoking it. Yet he still doesn't seem to get that! Every time he launches into another PB tirade I see a tiny victory in the agreeably pointless war of PB lifeOmnium said:
The first post he's made in years that suggests he's aware of the concerns of other people and you clobber him for it!!IanB2 said:
At least you recognise that your own efforts to boost the number of supposedly ‘lady’ commenters, with all your various sockpuppets, don’t count.Leon said:Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree
1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate
2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters
3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital
Manners, please, gentlemen
Recognising that your own toxic and often abusive and discriminatory style of posting plays a significant part in discouraging genuine ‘ladies’ from sticking around here would however be the most useful contribution that you could make.
( @Cyclefree is of course great, @Leon less so, and @IanB2 has a dog that looks wiser than I am)3 -
And as your quote said for those with serious cerebal palsy....ones getting the highest payout therefore only 40% survive till 20 so my estimate wasn't that far off. I suspect the number surviving till 30 is lower yetbondegezou said:
Cerebral palsy is the main birth issue associated with claims, as per @Nigelb 's post above.Pagan2 said:
That is one birth issue now bring it on for all the others and even it says for those with severe cerebal palsy....the ones therefore getting the highest payout they only have a 40% chance of getting to 20bondegezou said:
https://www.cerebralpalsyguide.com/cerebral-palsy/prognosis/life-expectancy/Pagan2 said:
Then you will have a source to back it up or just one of your assertions?bondegezou said:
Your assumption that "those kids are like to die young" is in error.Pagan2 said:
If paying for example 100k a year (which seems high) an annual bill of 3 billion implies 300k affected by negligence....given those kids are like to die young in any case so guessing maybe 20 years that implies 15k a year for the last 20 years.bondegezou said:
Brain damage at birth is very, very different from the deaths of young-but-definitely-past-birth infants in the Letby case. There's no particular link here.DecrepiterJohnL said:
What's going on is babies...DecrepiterJohnL said:
£58 billion sounds like rather a lot of medical negligence. What's going on.Nigelb said:This goes a little way towards explaining the state of affairs laid out in the header.
NHS medical negligence liabilities hit £58.2bn amid calls to improve patient safety
Public accounts committee called the record sum ‘jaw-dropping’ and criticised inaction to reduce errors in a damning report
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) has set aside £58.2bn to settle lawsuits arising from clinical negligence that occurred in England before 1 April 2024, the PAC disclosed.
The sum is so huge that it is the second-largest liability across the whole of government, with only nuclear decommissioning costlier, the committee said in a damning report.
“The fact that government has set aside tens of billions of pounds for clinical negligence payments, its second most costly liability after some of the world’s most complex nuclear decommissioning projects, should give our entire society pause,” said Sir Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the PAC chair.
“This is a sign of a system struggling to do right by the people it is designed to help,” he added...
“But the largest sums are awarded to families of babies that are left with lifelong disabilities, such as brain damage, through negligence at birth.”
The NHS has faced a series of maternity care scandals in recent years that have left mothers and babies dead or badly injured. In 2023 the Care Quality Commission, the health service care regulator, said that two-thirds of maternity units provided substandard care.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/14/nhs-medical-negligence-liabilities-hit-582bn-amid-calls-to-improve-patient-safety
Which brings us back, via Cyclefree's header and the CCRC's general uselessness in the face of wrongful convictions, to Lucy Letby. Was it her whodunnit or as the experts suggest, just a scapegoat for below-par care?
ETA and maybe the NHS, faced with two thirds of maternity units below par, could have spent more time on improvements than on worrying whether to admit trans women onto maternity wards.
Most births as far as I am aware require no medical intervention but lets say 10% do. We have about 600k births a year....10% is therefore 60k births a year
Are we really saying 1 in 4 times when medical intervention is required doctors fuck it up? If so why are we not going what are you doing?
Average life expectancies by severity of cerebral palsy
The life expectancy of someone with cerebral palsy can vary based on the severity of their symptoms. Cerebral palsy severity is generally categorized as mild or severe depending on the extent of the brain damage and the co-occurring conditions present.
Mild cerebral palsy life expectancy
An individual with mild cerebral palsy will likely have a similar life expectancy as an individual who does not have the condition.
An article written by Dr. Ananya Mandal, a clinical pharmacologist from the Government Medical College in West Bengal, shows that a two year-old child with mild cerebral palsy has a 99% chance of living to 20 years old. Additionally, according to a study on individuals with cerebral palsy by BMC Neurology, more than 80% of individuals have a life expectancy of 58 years or more.
Severe cerebral palsy life expectancy
Severe cerebral palsy may have a shorter life expectancy than mild cerebral palsy patients.
Patients with severe cerebral palsy tend to have significant mobility and/or intellectual limitations. For this reason, these individuals have a 40% chance of living to 20 years old.
According to BMC Neurology, the early childhood mortality rate for severe cerebral palsy patients with multiple impairments has decreased since 1990. Most children with severe cerebral palsy will reach adulthood.
The study analyzed individuals with cerebral palsy to determine their overall disability score (DISAB). The DISAB accounts for severity of movement and cognitive impairments, active epilepsy, and bilateral blindness and/or deafness. Individuals with low disability scores (DISAB between 1 and 5) had higher chances of survival over those with higher disability scores (DISAB between 6 and 12).0 -
Er, OKOnlyLivingBoy said:
How many 19th century US presidents are still talked about? Lincoln, basically. In 100-200 years Trump will be an embarrassing footnote or a difficult pup quiz question. Great art endures, though.Leon said:
I liked TayTay before it was fashionable. And I really did, I've liked her since "Red" at least (2012). My wife used to laugh at me for putting on her music when I cooked. She writes really classy countrypop songs, and they are often decidedly and unashamedly sexy. She's greatOnlyLivingBoy said:
She is the biggest musical artist in the world and has just completed the most successful tour in history: 149 shows, 10 million concert goers, and over $2bn in box office revenue. She's a skilled and prolific songwriter - in my view the heir to Dylan in that regard. People who dismiss her as someone who appeals only to teenage girls are missing out on a truly formidable artist at the peak of her powers. Trump is weirdly obsessed with her, but I have no doubt that Swift will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten.bondegezou said:
Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.twistedfirestopper3 said:.
Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.Taz said:
Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?twistedfirestopper3 said:
I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.williamglenn said:https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"
However, the idea that "she will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten" is 100% delusional. I am afraid it will take us all many decades to forget Donald J Trump
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He's very similar to Reform in that he can be described as Tilting at Windmills !williamglenn said:Jolyon Maugham is at it again:
https://x.com/goodlawproject/status/1923371695210893724
We don't think the interim guidance published by the EHRC and pushed by Bridget Phillipson is lawful.
So today we've started legal proceedings against them.
In his case, he used to live in one.0 -
Here's one for all those of you getting excited about sub judice* the other day.
Watters: “Do you believe Comey should be in jail?”
Gabbard: “I do… I’m very concerned for the president’s life…And James Comey, in my view, should be held accountable and put behind bars for this.”
https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1923180901875200186
*Autocorrect prefers "sub juice".0 -
Indeed. We are still talking about Stalin eighty years on from WWII.Leon said:
I liked TayTay before it was fashionable. And I really did, I've liked her since "Red" at least (2012). My wife used to laugh at me for putting on her music when I cooked. She writes really classy countrypop songs, and they are often decidedly and unashamedly sexy. She's greatOnlyLivingBoy said:
She is the biggest musical artist in the world and has just completed the most successful tour in history: 149 shows, 10 million concert goers, and over $2bn in box office revenue. She's a skilled and prolific songwriter - in my view the heir to Dylan in that regard. People who dismiss her as someone who appeals only to teenage girls are missing out on a truly formidable artist at the peak of her powers. Trump is weirdly obsessed with her, but I have no doubt that Swift will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten.bondegezou said:
Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.twistedfirestopper3 said:.
Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.Taz said:
Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?twistedfirestopper3 said:
I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.williamglenn said:https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"
However, the idea that "she will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten" is 100% delusional. I am afraid it will take us all many decades to forget Donald J Trump0 -
So you do give that particular eff, then.Leon said:
You are all under a strange illusion that I give a particular fuck what you think about me. Surely my posting history disproves that?? I find @IanB2's bitter and furious anger at me flattering. He must wake up fuming. I absolutely enjoy stoking it. Yet he still doesn't seem to get that! Every time he launches into another PB tirade I see a tiny victory in the agreeably pointless war of PB lifeOmnium said:
The first post he's made in years that suggests he's aware of the concerns of other people and you clobber him for it!!IanB2 said:
At least you recognise that your own efforts to boost the number of supposedly ‘lady’ commenters, with all your various sockpuppets, don’t count.Leon said:Can we be a bit nicer to Ms @Cyclefree
1. Her threader is as eloquent as ever - OK too prolix for some, but always articulate
2. We aren't exactly overburderned with Lady Commenters
3. She is, as I understand it, having a bit of a rotten time in and out of hospital
Manners, please, gentlemen
Recognising that your own toxic and often abusive and discriminatory style of posting plays a significant part in discouraging genuine ‘ladies’ from sticking around here would however be the most useful contribution that you could make.
( @Cyclefree is of course great, @Leon less so, and @IanB2 has a dog that looks wiser than I am)0 -
Matt Gaetz, lol... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/james-comey-86-gaetz-maga-b2752452.htmlNigelb said:Here's one for all those of you getting excited about sub judice* the other day.
Watters: “Do you believe Comey should be in jail?”
Gabbard: “I do… I’m very concerned for the president’s life…And James Comey, in my view, should be held accountable and put behind bars for this.”
https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1923180901875200186
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Battleships died because they could put (on average) about 2% of shells fired on an opponent. At a range of 10 miles.Omnium said:
The painting of battleships in odd ways made a huge difference.Nigelb said:
Here's one way.Omnium said:
There's always an arms race, but the arrival of drones on the battlefield (and things like the above) have livened things up.Nigelb said:Completely OT, this is quite an interesting article on the Chinese J-10C fighter.
It's possible that the recent India/Pakistan clash will provide vital intelligence for (amongst other things) the future defence of Taiwan, the ignorance about Chinese air to air missiles is likely to be dispelled - with at least one recovered virtually intact by India.
https://www.twz.com/air/chinas-j-10c-fighter-separating-myth-from-reality
...Another aspect that could have played into the potential success of the J-10C is the fact that India likely has a much better understanding of how AMRAAM works and is therefore better able to optimize countermeasures for it, compared with the PL-15, and particularly the PL-15E export model.
Bronk continues: “The ability of the Rafale’s onboard electronic countermeasures system and radar warning receiver to potentially detect an incoming missile seeker and/or respond to try and improve the effectiveness of missile defeat maneuvers through ECM is potentially lower against the PL-15 than against AMRAAM, just by dint of the fact that there may be less known about it.”..
The West can no longer afford to have a 25 year (or whatever it is) development cycle. We can't afford to be able to make only 12-14 fighters a year either (BAE said such a thing recently, although they're upping that).
Stealth; its next iteration, supersonic; powered with a Ukrainian engine.
Launchable off our little carriers.
Already starting production.
https://x.com/Selcuk/status/1923091453821014476
Bayraktar #KIZILELMA PT-4 ✈️🚀🍎
🛫 AB Kalkışlı Aerodinamik Sistem Tanımlama Testi
🛫 AB-Assisted Takeoff Aerodynamics System Identification Test
Of course the needed lesson there was that they were obsolete if you needed to paint them oddly and keep them in obscure fjords.
Aircraft carriers could get a far higher percentage of hits at 250 miles. From the top. Where battleship armour was thin. Or below the waterline where there was none.
An attempt to design a battleship with 12” deck armour was abandoned when it became clear that it would only float upside down.
So apart from the guns and armour being useless….1 -
Trump will be spoken about in the same tones as Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan as one of the worst US Presidents.OnlyLivingBoy said:
How many 19th century US presidents are still talked about? Lincoln, basically. In 100-200 years Trump will be an embarrassing footnote or a difficult pup quiz question. Great art endures, though.Leon said:
I liked TayTay before it was fashionable. And I really did, I've liked her since "Red" at least (2012). My wife used to laugh at me for putting on her music when I cooked. She writes really classy countrypop songs, and they are often decidedly and unashamedly sexy. She's greatOnlyLivingBoy said:
She is the biggest musical artist in the world and has just completed the most successful tour in history: 149 shows, 10 million concert goers, and over $2bn in box office revenue. She's a skilled and prolific songwriter - in my view the heir to Dylan in that regard. People who dismiss her as someone who appeals only to teenage girls are missing out on a truly formidable artist at the peak of her powers. Trump is weirdly obsessed with her, but I have no doubt that Swift will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten.bondegezou said:
Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.twistedfirestopper3 said:.
Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.Taz said:
Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?twistedfirestopper3 said:
I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.williamglenn said:https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"
However, the idea that "she will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten" is 100% delusional. I am afraid it will take us all many decades to forget Donald J Trump
Though I feel he's more like Andrew Jackson whom I don't feel gets recognised enough as being the all-time worst US President in my eyes.
Agreed though that Taylor's art is likely to survive a long time from now. Deservedly so too, she's very good.2 -
Assuming there is an election in 2028, and MAGA gets booted out on its arse, I will be quite happy to forget Trump forever, as soon as he departs the White House.Mexicanpete said:
Indeed. We are still talking about Stalin eighty years on from WWII.Leon said:
I liked TayTay before it was fashionable. And I really did, I've liked her since "Red" at least (2012). My wife used to laugh at me for putting on her music when I cooked. She writes really classy countrypop songs, and they are often decidedly and unashamedly sexy. She's greatOnlyLivingBoy said:
She is the biggest musical artist in the world and has just completed the most successful tour in history: 149 shows, 10 million concert goers, and over $2bn in box office revenue. She's a skilled and prolific songwriter - in my view the heir to Dylan in that regard. People who dismiss her as someone who appeals only to teenage girls are missing out on a truly formidable artist at the peak of her powers. Trump is weirdly obsessed with her, but I have no doubt that Swift will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten.bondegezou said:
Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.twistedfirestopper3 said:.
Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.Taz said:
Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?twistedfirestopper3 said:
I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.williamglenn said:https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"
However, the idea that "she will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten" is 100% delusional. I am afraid it will take us all many decades to forget Donald J Trump
No doubt he'd leave a mess to clear up, but the toxic legacy wouldn't be anything approaching within a couple of magnitudes to Stalin's.
Assuming.0 -
How many 19th century musicians are still talked about? Chopin, Liszt, Brahms, Tchaikovsky, Grieg, Mussorgsky, Fauré, Berlioz and many others. Musicians do seem to garner more longevity in the public eye!OnlyLivingBoy said:
How many 19th century US presidents are still talked about? Lincoln, basically. In 100-200 years Trump will be an embarrassing footnote or a difficult pup quiz question. Great art endures, though.Leon said:
I liked TayTay before it was fashionable. And I really did, I've liked her since "Red" at least (2012). My wife used to laugh at me for putting on her music when I cooked. She writes really classy countrypop songs, and they are often decidedly and unashamedly sexy. She's greatOnlyLivingBoy said:
She is the biggest musical artist in the world and has just completed the most successful tour in history: 149 shows, 10 million concert goers, and over $2bn in box office revenue. She's a skilled and prolific songwriter - in my view the heir to Dylan in that regard. People who dismiss her as someone who appeals only to teenage girls are missing out on a truly formidable artist at the peak of her powers. Trump is weirdly obsessed with her, but I have no doubt that Swift will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten.bondegezou said:
Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.twistedfirestopper3 said:.
Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.Taz said:
Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?twistedfirestopper3 said:
I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.williamglenn said:https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"
However, the idea that "she will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten" is 100% delusional. I am afraid it will take us all many decades to forget Donald J Trump
Is Taylor Swift as good as Liszt? Yes.1 -
Andrew Johnson is being seen as worse and worse for capitulating on Reconstruction.BartholomewRoberts said:
Trump will be spoken about in the same tones as Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan as one of the worst US Presidents.OnlyLivingBoy said:
How many 19th century US presidents are still talked about? Lincoln, basically. In 100-200 years Trump will be an embarrassing footnote or a difficult pup quiz question. Great art endures, though.Leon said:
I liked TayTay before it was fashionable. And I really did, I've liked her since "Red" at least (2012). My wife used to laugh at me for putting on her music when I cooked. She writes really classy countrypop songs, and they are often decidedly and unashamedly sexy. She's greatOnlyLivingBoy said:
She is the biggest musical artist in the world and has just completed the most successful tour in history: 149 shows, 10 million concert goers, and over $2bn in box office revenue. She's a skilled and prolific songwriter - in my view the heir to Dylan in that regard. People who dismiss her as someone who appeals only to teenage girls are missing out on a truly formidable artist at the peak of her powers. Trump is weirdly obsessed with her, but I have no doubt that Swift will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten.bondegezou said:
Her fan base has grown up: they're far from being teenage girls now.twistedfirestopper3 said:.
Dunno, I'm not a teenage girl, so I know of her, but that's about it. She's hotter than Donald, though.Taz said:
Isn’t she also known as Tay Tay ? Or is that someone else ?twistedfirestopper3 said:
I'm by no means a Swifty, but I wouldn't climb over her to get to The Donald.williamglenn said:https://x.com/trump_repost/status/1923368933391823138
Has anyone noticed that, since I said "I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT," she's no longer "HOT?"
However, the idea that "she will be talked about long after Trump is forgotten" is 100% delusional. I am afraid it will take us all many decades to forget Donald J Trump
Though I feel he's more like Andrew Jackson whom I don't feel gets recognised enough as being the all-time worst US President in my eyes.
Agreed though that Taylor's art is likely to survive a long time from now. Deservedly so too, she's very good.
James Buchanan was crap, but the Civil War was inevitable by that stage.0
