As predicted, the police are enjoying the "conspiracy to cause a public nuisance" law. The difficulty here is not only could it prevent most protests from happening, but even discussion of one can lead to an arrest.
This important bit of context was buried on the middle of the article:
Youth Demand, which includes young veterans of the Just Stop Oil movement, had posted online it was planning to “shut down London” on a daily basis in April.
There's an interesting question about when discussion becomes conspiracy. For "political" acts, I think the government should tend to err on the side of inaction, but then if people actually commit public order offences, should actually prosecute and jail.
Because I don't like the idea of criminalizing kids sitting around plotting to overthrow capitalism. But I do want to punish them appropriately when they massively inconvenience hundreds of thousands of people and bring economic activity to a halt.
The Supreme Court ruled that a reasonable amount of disruption was to be expected in a democracy. Was an active plan under discussion? What did it involve?
I suppose you can at least defend it on the basis that some protesters have caused a lot of damage. Arresting parents for criticising schools or the CPS charging someone for 'intent to cause against the religious institution of Islam harrassment, alarm or distress' seems much more dubious.
Should burning the Quran be illegal or what about setting fire to the Star of David? I wouldn't be comfortable with people doing it bu the CPS seems to want a blasphemy law.
I don't have an answer to this, because I neither support a blasphemy law, but nor do I think people should act in blasphemous ways. This next point may be silly, but here it is:
You can burn a Quran or a Star of David in private without consequence. That, SFAICS, is just a fact. So the person who does such a thing deliberately in public is going a step beyond that squalid but private act. Why? Can there be any reason except the desire to offend, provoke, incite, inform others just how much you hate and detest something precious to millions of decent people.
Put that way, I wouldn't like it being lawful. But I am uncomfortable banning it too.
Yeah but the wording of the CPS charge 'intent to cause against the religious institution of Islam harrassment, alarm or distress' appears to have no basis in law. And it is hard for it to be read as anything other than a blasphemy charge.
Of course it is a blasphemy law. You can't offend a "religious institution" any other way than by blaspheming, and thanks to militant Islam and a craven, pathetic Establushment, this law is creeping from de facto - the Batley teacher - to de jure - the Koran burner
Anyone who argues otherwise is a liar and probably a coward
The thing that always gets me is that if you really believe in your religion then people critiquing, slagging, mocking etc should be water off a duck’s back - you should have the confidence that you are right and they will burn in hell etc. ignore and rise above.
Crying and calling offense suggests a little bit of insecurity over whether you are right and your god isn’t going to smite the mockers.
If you have to force people with threats of retribution for taking the piss then clearly there is something in your religion that doesn’t sit right and maybe you need to question it.
The problem is that Islam is supposed to be the route to glory yet the modern world doesn't really suggest this.
In its glory days the islamic world was a lot more relaxed in many ways, they have almost done the opposite of christianity which went from religously anal to more relaxed about stuff, islam started a lot more relaxed and now has in many cases( not all)religously anal
If you’re going to be anal, best to be relaxed as well. I’m told.
I believe Poppers is the solution for that. But if you aren’t of that bent they are a very funny quick drug.
A retired special constable was arrested and detained over a social media post warning about the threat of anti-Semitism in Britain, The Telegraph can reveal.
Julian Foulkes, from Gillingham in Kent, was handcuffed at his home by six officers from Kent Police – the force he had served for a decade – after challenging a supporter of pro-Palestinian marches on X.
Police body-worn camera footage captured officers scrutinising the 71-year-old’s collection of books by authors such as Douglas Murray, a Telegraph contributor, and issues of The Spectator, pointing to what they described as “very Brexity things”.
Ve have spotted ze very brëxity things.
Were they found on the extreme right of the bookcase?
A retired special constable was arrested and detained over a social media post warning about the threat of anti-Semitism in Britain, The Telegraph can reveal.
Julian Foulkes, from Gillingham in Kent, was handcuffed at his home by six officers from Kent Police – the force he had served for a decade – after challenging a supporter of pro-Palestinian marches on X.
Police body-worn camera footage captured officers scrutinising the 71-year-old’s collection of books by authors such as Douglas Murray, a Telegraph contributor, and issues of The Spectator, pointing to what they described as “very Brexity things”.
So this guy was arrested in 2023 because the police thought he was inciting people to hunt down Jews in airports?
The Telegraph is a deeply manipulative paper now. What next - claiming cyclists do over 50mph on the embankment?
(The police do come out of it looking mildly stupid. How they could misinterpret that tweet in that way is odd).
A retired special constable was arrested and detained over a social media post warning about the threat of anti-Semitism in Britain, The Telegraph can reveal.
Julian Foulkes, from Gillingham in Kent, was handcuffed at his home by six officers from Kent Police – the force he had served for a decade – after challenging a supporter of pro-Palestinian marches on X.
Police body-worn camera footage captured officers scrutinising the 71-year-old’s collection of books by authors such as Douglas Murray, a Telegraph contributor, and issues of The Spectator, pointing to what they described as “very Brexity things”.
Ve have spotted ze very brëxity things.
Were they found on the extreme right of the bookcase?
They were part of a bookcase which functioned OK. They decided to hurl themselves onto the floor.
A retired special constable was arrested and detained over a social media post warning about the threat of anti-Semitism in Britain, The Telegraph can reveal.
Julian Foulkes, from Gillingham in Kent, was handcuffed at his home by six officers from Kent Police – the force he had served for a decade – after challenging a supporter of pro-Palestinian marches on X.
Police body-worn camera footage captured officers scrutinising the 71-year-old’s collection of books by authors such as Douglas Murray, a Telegraph contributor, and issues of The Spectator, pointing to what they described as “very Brexity things”.
(The police do come out of it looking mildly stupid. How they could misinterpret that tweet in that way is odd).
I expect the later editions of the Telegraph will make clear this guy was arrested under the pro Palestine anti Brexit lunacy of ...err a Conservative regime? No. Thought not.
I expect the later editions of the Telegraph will make clear this guy was arrested under the pro Palestine anti Brexit lunacy of ...err a Conservative regime? No. Thought not.
One of the problems is that no-one can credibly claim that all this nonsense started under the current government.
A retired special constable was arrested and detained over a social media post warning about the threat of anti-Semitism in Britain, The Telegraph can reveal.
Julian Foulkes, from Gillingham in Kent, was handcuffed at his home by six officers from Kent Police – the force he had served for a decade – after challenging a supporter of pro-Palestinian marches on X.
Police body-worn camera footage captured officers scrutinising the 71-year-old’s collection of books by authors such as Douglas Murray, a Telegraph contributor, and issues of The Spectator, pointing to what they described as “very Brexity things”.
(The police do come out of it looking mildly stupid. How they could misinterpret that tweet in that way is odd).
You're assuming they misinterpreted it.
So is the person arrested:
“Kent Police decided to interpret my post as anti-Jewish,” he said. “But it was the exact opposite. If they’d looked at the full thread, they’d have understood. It would have taken two minutes. I told them there was more to it, but they didn’t pause the interview to check.”
Also why else would they arrest someone for posting
“One step away from storming Heathrow looking for Jewish arrivals…”
Russia is the largest country on earth and also has the largest reserves of natural resources - valued at $75 Trillion. Russia only has a population of 140m. NATO members have a population of 973m. Ask yourself why would Russia attack us? Why might some want us to attack Russia?
Russia is the largest country on earth and also has the largest reserves of natural resources - valued at $75 Trillion. Russia only has a population of 140m. NATO members have a population of 973m. Ask yourself why would Russia attack us? Why might some want us to attack Russia?
Come on, Bridgen! You're famous for saying covid vaccines are the worst crime against humanity since the holocaust. This Russia stuff is bollocks, but it's weak, forgettable bollocks. You need something that's going to cut through. Compare Putin to Jesus, and Zelensky to Judas Iscariot, or something.
I expect the later editions of the Telegraph will make clear this guy was arrested under the pro Palestine anti Brexit lunacy of ...err a Conservative regime? No. Thought not.
Do newspapers still do multiple daily editions? Or is it one of those things that communication technology and falling circulation has killed off?
A retired special constable was arrested and detained over a social media post warning about the threat of anti-Semitism in Britain, The Telegraph can reveal.
Julian Foulkes, from Gillingham in Kent, was handcuffed at his home by six officers from Kent Police – the force he had served for a decade – after challenging a supporter of pro-Palestinian marches on X.
Police body-worn camera footage captured officers scrutinising the 71-year-old’s collection of books by authors such as Douglas Murray, a Telegraph contributor, and issues of The Spectator, pointing to what they described as “very Brexity things”.
(The police do come out of it looking mildly stupid. How they could misinterpret that tweet in that way is odd).
You're assuming they misinterpreted it.
So is the person arrested:
“Kent Police decided to interpret my post as anti-Jewish,” he said. “But it was the exact opposite. If they’d looked at the full thread, they’d have understood. It would have taken two minutes. I told them there was more to it, but they didn’t pause the interview to check.”
Also why else would they arrest someone for posting
“One step away from storming Heathrow looking for Jewish arrivals…”
Even Kafka would be rather bemused by that. "Was it witten by Armando?"
A retired special constable was arrested and detained over a social media post warning about the threat of anti-Semitism in Britain, The Telegraph can reveal.
Julian Foulkes, from Gillingham in Kent, was handcuffed at his home by six officers from Kent Police – the force he had served for a decade – after challenging a supporter of pro-Palestinian marches on X.
Police body-worn camera footage captured officers scrutinising the 71-year-old’s collection of books by authors such as Douglas Murray, a Telegraph contributor, and issues of The Spectator, pointing to what they described as “very Brexity things”.
(The police do come out of it looking mildly stupid. How they could misinterpret that tweet in that way is odd).
You're assuming they misinterpreted it.
So is the person arrested:
“Kent Police decided to interpret my post as anti-Jewish,” he said. “But it was the exact opposite. If they’d looked at the full thread, they’d have understood. It would have taken two minutes. I told them there was more to it, but they didn’t pause the interview to check.”
Also why else would they arrest someone for posting
“One step away from storming Heathrow looking for Jewish arrivals…”
They have a record of arresting people who antagonise pro Palestinian protesters for one.
A retired special constable was arrested and detained over a social media post warning about the threat of anti-Semitism in Britain, The Telegraph can reveal.
Julian Foulkes, from Gillingham in Kent, was handcuffed at his home by six officers from Kent Police – the force he had served for a decade – after challenging a supporter of pro-Palestinian marches on X.
Police body-worn camera footage captured officers scrutinising the 71-year-old’s collection of books by authors such as Douglas Murray, a Telegraph contributor, and issues of The Spectator, pointing to what they described as “very Brexity things”.
So this guy was arrested in 2023 because the police thought he was inciting people to hunt down Jews in airports?
The Telegraph is a deeply manipulative paper now. What next - claiming cyclists do over 50mph on the embankment?
(The police do come out of it looking mildly stupid. How they could misinterpret that tweet in that way is odd).
Coming across as mildly stupid is a bit of a step up.
The Telegraph baffles me.
Seemingly intelligent journalists - but just trotting out sh*te. Almost like they forget what they said just the day before. It's like a mix of The Trial and 1984.
Today we are entirely supporting of the (white) working class! We have always been supporters of the (white) working class! Especially the boys! Oh, no - the girls. Those poor girls. And.. the police are amazing, but also we hate the police. We have always been at war with the police.
Reading through the last dozen or so comments. Some by me. The unanimous verdict from all political stripes appears to be that we are in a right state.
Yes, I threw open our junior/associate level to non-graduates and we just had a tougher set of interviews and tasks. The graduates were better at the tasks but much worse at the on the spot problem solving. I think we ended up taking non-grads about 20% of the time and once you've had a job for 2+ years no one cares about your degree anyway.
The government plans to change the law to constrain judges interpretation of Article 8 of the ECHR .
The interpretation has been the subject of much controversy and is more of the issue than the actual article itself .
Why didn’t the Tory government attempt this ?
And news that any crime now will lead to a migrant being considered for deportation rather than previously the sentence had to be a year or more .
Two things that I've said over the last couple of weeks. I also think eventually Labour will get to where I am and suspend all asylum for uninvited peoples, currently that means only Ukrainians, Hong Kongers and select Afghani translators would be eligible. What they need to do over the next year is sign deals with third countries for deportation, probably Rwanda and a few others would be up for it. Anyone who isn't invited is instantly rejected and sent to a third country or can return home voluntarily. It ends the boat arrivals within days if the government does it properly because all three of those groups have legitimate means to enter the UK and claim asylum.
The government plans to change the law to constrain judges interpretation of Article 8 of the ECHR .
The interpretation has been the subject of much controversy and is more of the issue than the actual article itself .
Why didn’t the Tory government attempt this ?
And news that any crime now will lead to a migrant being considered for deportation rather than previously the sentence had to be a year or more .
Two things that I've said over the last couple of weeks. I also think eventually Labour will get to where I am and suspend all asylum for uninvited peoples, currently that means only Ukrainians, Hong Kongers and select Afghani translators would be eligible. What they need to do over the next year is sign deals with third countries for deportation, probably Rwanda and a few others would be up for it. Anyone who isn't invited is instantly rejected and sent to a third country or can return home voluntarily. It ends the boat arrivals within days if the government does it properly because all three of those groups have legitimate means to enter the UK and claim asylum.
You have to have more exemptions because some people are trafficked into the country . Processing asylum claims in a third country is legal . The Rwanda scheme didn’t do that . I don’t feel comfortable rejecting all asylum claims bar those you mentioned and priority should be given to those who have family here already and are willing to house their relatives.
The government plans to change the law to constrain judges interpretation of Article 8 of the ECHR .
The interpretation has been the subject of much controversy and is more of the issue than the actual article itself .
Why didn’t the Tory government attempt this ?
And news that any crime now will lead to a migrant being considered for deportation rather than previously the sentence had to be a year or more .
Two things that I've said over the last couple of weeks. I also think eventually Labour will get to where I am and suspend all asylum for uninvited peoples, currently that means only Ukrainians, Hong Kongers and select Afghani translators would be eligible. What they need to do over the next year is sign deals with third countries for deportation, probably Rwanda and a few others would be up for it. Anyone who isn't invited is instantly rejected and sent to a third country or can return home voluntarily. It ends the boat arrivals within days if the government does it properly because all three of those groups have legitimate means to enter the UK and claim asylum.
You have to have more exemptions because some people are trafficked into the country . Processing asylum claims in a third country is legal . The Rwanda scheme didn’t do that . I don’t feel comfortable rejecting all asylum claims bar those you mentioned and priority should be given to those who have family here already and are willing to house their relatives.
I don't see why someone being trafficked in should grant them an exemption, no matter how tragic trafficking is. It merely encourages it.
That's why T May's modern slavery exemption had to be dropped. Anyone could claim it and immediately pause deportation. And they did.
OSINT Intuit 🇺🇸 🇨🇦 🇬🇧 🇺🇦 🇮🇱 🇬🇪 @UKikaski · 48s We propose that Kyiv resume direct negotiations without any preconditions, we propose to start on May 15 in Istanbul.
Ed.: So no ceasefire and he is getting into a list of demands...
OSINT Intuit 🇺🇸 🇨🇦 🇬🇧 🇺🇦 🇮🇱 🇬🇪 @UKikaski · 48s We propose that Kyiv resume direct negotiations without any preconditions, we propose to start on May 15 in Istanbul.
Ed.: So no ceasefire and he is getting into a list of demands...
The government plans to change the law to constrain judges interpretation of Article 8 of the ECHR .
The interpretation has been the subject of much controversy and is more of the issue than the actual article itself .
Why didn’t the Tory government attempt this ?
And news that any crime now will lead to a migrant being considered for deportation rather than previously the sentence had to be a year or more .
Two things that I've said over the last couple of weeks. I also think eventually Labour will get to where I am and suspend all asylum for uninvited peoples, currently that means only Ukrainians, Hong Kongers and select Afghani translators would be eligible. What they need to do over the next year is sign deals with third countries for deportation, probably Rwanda and a few others would be up for it. Anyone who isn't invited is instantly rejected and sent to a third country or can return home voluntarily. It ends the boat arrivals within days if the government does it properly because all three of those groups have legitimate means to enter the UK and claim asylum.
You have to have more exemptions because some people are trafficked into the country . Processing asylum claims in a third country is legal . The Rwanda scheme didn’t do that . I don’t feel comfortable rejecting all asylum claims bar those you mentioned and priority should be given to those who have family here already and are willing to house their relatives.
The issue with this is that people claim they are trafficked here and you then can't deport them. If you give people a loophole they will absolutely use it. Rejecting everyone bar those who have been specifically invited is the fairest system. No boat arrivals, no asylum hotels and blunting Nige's chances of becoming PM.
OSINT Intuit 🇺🇸 🇨🇦 🇬🇧 🇺🇦 🇮🇱 🇬🇪 @UKikaski · 48s We propose that Kyiv resume direct negotiations without any preconditions, we propose to start on May 15 in Istanbul.
Ed.: So no ceasefire and he is getting into a list of demands...
Unbelievable. The first lady of Sierra Leone —who has an extensive property portfolio—is understood to be the tenant of a council flat in south London.
British taxpayers are being taken for a total ride 👇👇👇"
Trump's India-Pakistan truce lasted almost as long as his Israel-Gaza truce.
The NY Times & the Washington Post are reporting that clashes between India & Pakistan have resumed almost immediately after Trump's declaration of a ceasefire. Each side is accusing the other of breaking the truce.
"Reform’s first female MP on crime, family, and iPads in restaurants
In her first interview since winning the Runcorn by-election, Sarah Pochin says she is appalled when she sees children on devices at the dinner table" (£)
Unbelievable. The first lady of Sierra Leone —who has an extensive property portfolio—is understood to be the tenant of a council flat in south London.
British taxpayers are being taken for a total ride 👇👇👇"
Surely everyone has gone to bed now. But still, some weather chat: I just saw this on facebook - it has been so dry lately that Manchester yesterday witnessed a dust devil. https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=9786465298107396
Depends which job, academia, teaching, medicine, law, nursing etc still very much require a degree
Nursing shouldn't. It didn't for hundreds of years until Labour needed to boost the student numbers and forced them into universities.
For the 9,000th time….
1) Train nurses with a combination of academic and practical work spread over 3-4 years.
2) Train nurses with a combination of academic and practical work spread over 3-4 years. And give them a degree certificate at the end.
You've missed the crucial bit in which some university gets to claim £9k a year in tuition frees, plus whatever outrageous price they can get away with as rent for student halls. You've also missed the bit in which nurses now pay a graduate tax off their students loans over the next 30 years, which makes taking a job in Australia particularly attractive.
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That's one heck of a curse to hurl.
The Telegraph is a deeply manipulative paper now. What next - claiming cyclists do over 50mph on the embankment?
(The police do come out of it looking mildly stupid. How they could misinterpret that tweet in that way is odd).
They decided to hurl themselves onto the floor.
No. Thought not.
Up to good old Nige to make hay with it.
“Kent Police decided to interpret my post as anti-Jewish,” he said. “But it was the exact opposite. If they’d looked at the full thread, they’d have understood. It would have taken two minutes. I told them there was more to it, but they didn’t pause the interview to check.”
Also why else would they arrest someone for posting
“One step away from storming Heathrow looking for Jewish arrivals…”
‘Process and procedure’ 🤓
https://x.com/jamesmelville/status/1921119178037010832?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
The government plans to change the law to constrain judges interpretation of Article 8 of the ECHR .
The interpretation has been the subject of much controversy and is more of the issue than the actual article itself .
Why didn’t the Tory government attempt this ?
And news that any crime now will lead to a migrant being considered for deportation rather than previously the sentence had to be a year or more .
The Telegraph baffles me.
Seemingly intelligent journalists - but just trotting out sh*te. Almost like they forget what they said just the day before. It's like a mix of The Trial and 1984.
Today we are entirely supporting of the (white) working class! We have always been supporters of the (white) working class! Especially the boys! Oh, no - the girls. Those poor girls. And.. the police are amazing, but also we hate the police. We have always been at war with the police.
Oh, no - hang on.
Some by me.
The unanimous verdict from all political stripes appears to be that we are in a right state.
It's an art not a science.
Although operating a life support machine also didn't exist for centuries.
Teaching science is not an art either
That's why T May's modern slavery exemption had to be dropped. Anyone could claim it and immediately pause deportation. And they did.
1) Train nurses with a combination of academic and practical work spread over 3-4 years.
2) Train nurses with a combination of academic and practical work spread over 3-4 years. And give them a degree certificate at the end.
@wartranslated
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Putin’s press conference has just begun.
'I have agreed to a ceasefire in which Trump has given me more than I could ever have wished for.'
OSINT Intuit 🇺🇸 🇨🇦 🇬🇧 🇺🇦 🇮🇱 🇬🇪
@UKikaski
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48s
We propose that Kyiv resume direct negotiations without any preconditions, we propose to start on May 15 in Istanbul.
Ed.: So no ceasefire and he is getting into a list of demands...
"Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ
Unbelievable. The first lady of Sierra Leone —who has an extensive property portfolio—is understood to be the tenant of a council flat in south London.
British taxpayers are being taken for a total ride 👇👇👇"
https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1921143206235804058
The NY Times & the Washington Post are reporting that clashes between India & Pakistan have resumed almost immediately after Trump's declaration of a ceasefire. Each side is accusing the other of breaking the truce.
In her first interview since winning the Runcorn by-election, Sarah Pochin says she is appalled when she sees children on devices at the dinner table" (£)
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/sarah-pochin-runcorn-reform-mp-immigrants-rd7gnjr6t
https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=9786465298107396
You've also missed the bit in which nurses now pay a graduate tax off their students loans over the next 30 years, which makes taking a job in Australia particularly attractive.
And it's good, because it gets the importance of (a) fighting Hamas and Islamism, while also (b) respecting free speech.