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  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,199
    Andy_JS said:

    Is this some sort of anti-Trump statement from the cardinals?

    Vatican City wants a trade deal !!!!!!!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,408
    Leon said:

    I did try to warn you

    Forgive me father, for I have shoplifted.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,357
    An American pope? Yuk
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,855
    Calling it now

    Pope Leo XIV = Thomas Becket


    Donald Trump = Henry II
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,923
    The new pope is apparently a centrist, but presumably not a dad?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,023
    ydoethur said:

    We have a pope.

    And blether on the Beeb that would embarrass John Virgo.

    Oh if ONLY they would give the papal commentary to John Virgo. Keep your eye on the white smoke KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE WHITE SMOKE!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,199
    IanB2 said:

    An American pope? Yuk

    So all Americans are Yuk to you ?

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,741
    How long ago was Leo XIII?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,520
    Andy_JS said:

    Is this some sort of anti-Trump statement from the cardinals?

    Why no? It's how most voters seem to be going.
  • vikvik Posts: 334
    Is it worth betting on Reform for the Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse byelection ? The odds offered are 8 to 11.

    https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/european-politics/scottish-politics/hamilton-larkhall-and-stonehouse-by-election
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,613
    Andy_JS said:

    How long ago was Leo XIII?

    1903
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,332
    IanB2 said:

    An American pope? Yuk

    It could have been worse , there was that Orban arselicker . And Leo does seem to have a kind face .

    I’m not at all religious but I get good vibes from the new pope .
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,855
    edited May 8
    FF43 said:

    The new pope is apparently a centrist, but presumably not a dad?

    In the old times Popes didn’t have children they had ‘nieces and nephews.’
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,698
    Cookie said:

    ydoethur said:

    We have a pope.

    And blether on the Beeb that would embarrass John Virgo.

    Oh if ONLY they would give the papal commentary to John Virgo. Keep your eye on the white smoke KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE WHITE SMOKE!
    And the snooker commentary to somebody else?

    Sounds like a good deal...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,035
    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    White smoke! We have white smoke!

    Woah

    That was quick
    Hard to see it being anyone other than one of the favourites. Parolin seems most likely to me.
    Agreed: my guess would be an insider and someone that both wings of the Catholic Church would find broadly acceptable. Which is Parolin.
    I hope neither of you put money down. ;-)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,741
    Anyone know what the odds were on Provest beforehand?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,270

    Calling it now

    Pope Leo XIV = Thomas Becket


    Donald Trump = Henry II

    Surely there is a misspelling here? Surely it is actually Pope @Leon ? So obviously suited for the role.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,296
    Pedantry alert: Many dogs can be taught to sing. Do a search for singing dogs on YouTube, if you would like to see examples.

    There is even a rare breed that sings, but does not bark: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Guinea_singing_dog

    Horses, on the other hand, as far as I know, can not be taught to sing.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 34,741
    nico67 said:

    IanB2 said:

    An American pope? Yuk

    It could have been worse , there was that Orban arselicker . And Leo does seem to have a kind face .

    I’m not at all religious but I get good vibes from the new pope .
    Good vibes based on what?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,855
    Legendary modesty klaxon.

    I did say the next Bishop of Rome betting market was a game for mugs as it was the epitome of an insiders’ market.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,319
    Andy_JS said:

    Anyone know what the odds were on Provest beforehand?

    I think after I did my article the odds were changing and he came in to about 20 or 30-1
  • vikvik Posts: 334
    vik said:

    Is it worth betting on Reform for the Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse byelection ? The odds offered are 8 to 11.

    https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/european-politics/scottish-politics/hamilton-larkhall-and-stonehouse-by-election

    They got only 0.2% in the constituency in 2021 (same as overall Scottish Parliament votes), versus 41% for SNP, but since then the polls show Reform at 20% & SNP down from 48% to 33%.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,471

    Legendary modesty klaxon.

    I did say the next Bishop of Rome betting market was a game for mugs as it was the epitome of an insiders’ market.

    Surprises me that the insiders engage in betting.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,613

    FF43 said:

    The new pope is apparently a centrist, but presumably not a dad?

    In the old times Popes didn’t have children they had ‘nieces and nephews.’
    That's not how it was portrayed in the documentary on Sky Atlantic about the Pope starring Jeremy Irons.

    That showed that not only did the Pope have kids, but they liked to keep it in the family too.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,332
    Andy_JS said:

    nico67 said:

    IanB2 said:

    An American pope? Yuk

    It could have been worse , there was that Orban arselicker . And Leo does seem to have a kind face .

    I’m not at all religious but I get good vibes from the new pope .
    Good vibes based on what?
    Based on I just think he has a kind face . Time will tell .
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,023
    Andy_JS said:

    nico67 said:

    IanB2 said:

    An American pope? Yuk

    It could have been worse , there was that Orban arselicker . And Leo does seem to have a kind face .

    I’m not at all religious but I get good vibes from the new pope .
    Good vibes based on what?
    Never trust a bishop. The bishop of Rome is no ezception.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 14,035
    Andy_JS said:

    Anyone know what the odds were on Provest beforehand?

    Parolin surged in the betting after the white smoke was seen, presumably following the rationale given here.

    Earlier today, the implied probabilities were...

    Pietro Parolin: 30%
    Luis Antonio Tagle: 26%
    Pierbattista Pizzaballa: 10%
    Matteo Zuppi: 8%
    Peter Turkson: 6%
    Peter Erdo: 6%
    Jean-Marc Aveline: 4%
    Fridolin Ambongo: 2%
    Robert Sarah: 2%
    Robert Prevost: 2%
    Mario Grech: 2%
    Dominique Mamberti: 2%
    Pablo Virgilio David: 2%

    ... so if anyone bet on Prevost, well done!
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,319

    Legendary modesty klaxon.

    I did say the next Bishop of Rome betting market was a game for mugs as it was the epitome of an insiders’ market.

    Yeah, I'll learn my lesson for next time
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,698
    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico67 said:

    IanB2 said:

    An American pope? Yuk

    It could have been worse , there was that Orban arselicker . And Leo does seem to have a kind face .

    I’m not at all religious but I get good vibes from the new pope .
    Good vibes based on what?
    Never trust a bishop. The bishop of Rome is no ezception.
    They're all crooks.
  • Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 14,701

    Legendary modesty klaxon.

    I did say the next Bishop of Rome betting market was a game for mugs as it was the epitome of an insiders’ market.

    Did anyone here on PB get it? Would have been even more impressive than that 14/1 shot you called on the Canadian Election and kept so quiet about.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,085
    Putting the latest Find Out Now into the EMA (Exponential Moving Average) of all polls gives the following result:

  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,810
    ydoethur said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico67 said:

    IanB2 said:

    An American pope? Yuk

    It could have been worse , there was that Orban arselicker . And Leo does seem to have a kind face .

    I’m not at all religious but I get good vibes from the new pope .
    Good vibes based on what?
    Never trust a bishop. The bishop of Rome is no ezception.
    They're all crooks.
    Just glanced at BBC and it had a header "Criminals gather on the balcony".
    But I'd misread 'cardinals'.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,698

    ydoethur said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico67 said:

    IanB2 said:

    An American pope? Yuk

    It could have been worse , there was that Orban arselicker . And Leo does seem to have a kind face .

    I’m not at all religious but I get good vibes from the new pope .
    Good vibes based on what?
    Never trust a bishop. The bishop of Rome is no ezception.
    They're all crooks.
    Just glanced at BBC and it had a header "Criminals gather on the balcony".
    But I'd misread 'cardinals'.
    Shame Cardinal Sin is no longer around.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    ChatGPT strikes again?

    LABOUR have been left red-faced after making a glaring error in their announcement hailing the new UK-US trade deal.

    Not only did they describe the deal as good – despite the US continuing to impose hefty tariffs on swathes of the UK economy – but they also left brewers baffled by claiming it would be a boon for pubs.

    The UK Government press release heralding news of the deal claimed: “We will also remove the tariff on ethanol – which is used to produce beer – coming into the UK from the US, down to zero.”

    There’s just one problem there. Ethanol isn’t used to produce beer.

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/labour-red-faced-glaring-error-165347713.html
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,270
    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico67 said:

    IanB2 said:

    An American pope? Yuk

    It could have been worse , there was that Orban arselicker . And Leo does seem to have a kind face .

    I’m not at all religious but I get good vibes from the new pope .
    Good vibes based on what?
    Never trust a bishop. The bishop of Rome is no ezception.
    Indeed, they move diagonally.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,332
    It’s always a joy to hear the Italian national anthem . It’s so uplifting . We need to update the UK one which is as dull as dishwater .
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,698
    DavidL said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico67 said:

    IanB2 said:

    An American pope? Yuk

    It could have been worse , there was that Orban arselicker . And Leo does seem to have a kind face .

    I’m not at all religious but I get good vibes from the new pope .
    Good vibes based on what?
    Never trust a bishop. The bishop of Rome is no ezception.
    Indeed, they move diagonally.
    They also spend a lot of time behind pawn.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 15,023

    ChatGPT strikes again?

    LABOUR have been left red-faced after making a glaring error in their announcement hailing the new UK-US trade deal.

    Not only did they describe the deal as good – despite the US continuing to impose hefty tariffs on swathes of the UK economy – but they also left brewers baffled by claiming it would be a boon for pubs.

    The UK Government press release heralding news of the deal claimed: “We will also remove the tariff on ethanol – which is used to produce beer – coming into the UK from the US, down to zero.”

    There’s just one problem there. Ethanol isn’t used to produce beer.

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/labour-red-faced-glaring-error-165347713.html

    Might be chatgpt. Or it might have been written by an idiot. Either is possible.
  • berberian_knowsberberian_knows Posts: 87
    edited May 8
    DavidL said:

    Calling it now

    Pope Leo XIV = Thomas Becket


    Donald Trump = Henry II

    Surely there is a misspelling here? Surely it is actually Pope @Leon ? So obviously suited for the role.
    It’s worse than you realise. What is the 14th letter of the alphabet?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,270

    ChatGPT strikes again?

    LABOUR have been left red-faced after making a glaring error in their announcement hailing the new UK-US trade deal.

    Not only did they describe the deal as good – despite the US continuing to impose hefty tariffs on swathes of the UK economy – but they also left brewers baffled by claiming it would be a boon for pubs.

    The UK Government press release heralding news of the deal claimed: “We will also remove the tariff on ethanol – which is used to produce beer – coming into the UK from the US, down to zero.”

    There’s just one problem there. Ethanol isn’t used to produce beer.

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/labour-red-faced-glaring-error-165347713.html

    Brewers pissed. So what else is new?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,022
    I hope he voted for Kamala. If not they've made a big mistake.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,716
    Andy_JS said:

    Is this some sort of anti-Trump statement from the cardinals?

    Prevest is going to clash with the Trump administration on immigration, but is a bit more conservative than Francis on homosexuality.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,111
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is this some sort of anti-Trump statement from the cardinals?

    Prevest is going to clash with the Trump administration on immigration, but is a bit more conservative than Francis on homosexuality.
    Francis who said the Vatican was too queer?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,716

    ChatGPT strikes again?

    LABOUR have been left red-faced after making a glaring error in their announcement hailing the new UK-US trade deal.

    Not only did they describe the deal as good – despite the US continuing to impose hefty tariffs on swathes of the UK economy – but they also left brewers baffled by claiming it would be a boon for pubs.

    The UK Government press release heralding news of the deal claimed: “We will also remove the tariff on ethanol – which is used to produce beer – coming into the UK from the US, down to zero.”

    There’s just one problem there. Ethanol isn’t used to produce beer.

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/labour-red-faced-glaring-error-165347713.html

    Ethanol is a feedstock for biofuels, and is mixed in with petrol to make it slightly greener*. But there is currently no tariff on ethanol imports to the UK. It's just that there isn't much demand in the UK to mix it with petrol.

    * There is much debate over whether it actually is greener
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,485

    Legendary modesty klaxon.

    I did say the next Bishop of Rome betting market was a game for mugs as it was the epitome of an insiders’ market.

    Did anyone here on PB get it? Would have been even more impressive than that 14/1 shot you called on the Canadian Election and kept so quiet about.
    Not to mention that Bob Prevost was 40/1 against when the white smoke emerged, so no evidence of insider betting.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,949

    ChatGPT strikes again?

    LABOUR have been left red-faced after making a glaring error in their announcement hailing the new UK-US trade deal.

    Not only did they describe the deal as good – despite the US continuing to impose hefty tariffs on swathes of the UK economy – but they also left brewers baffled by claiming it would be a boon for pubs.

    The UK Government press release heralding news of the deal claimed: “We will also remove the tariff on ethanol – which is used to produce beer – coming into the UK from the US, down to zero.”

    There’s just one problem there. Ethanol isn’t used to produce beer.

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/labour-red-faced-glaring-error-165347713.html

    I saw that Beth Rigby, quality journalist that she is, recycled that claim verbatim. What happened to journalists checking stories out.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,716

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is this some sort of anti-Trump statement from the cardinals?

    Prevest is going to clash with the Trump administration on immigration, but is a bit more conservative than Francis on homosexuality.
    Francis who said the Vatican was too queer?
    He also allowed Priests to bless same sex couples. Which caused uproar in conservative circles.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,332
    kinabalu said:

    I hope he voted for Kamala. If not they've made a big mistake.

    If Jesus returned he certainly wouldn’t be voting for the GOP .
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,716

    FF43 said:

    The new pope is apparently a centrist, but presumably not a dad?

    In the old times Popes didn’t have children they had ‘nieces and nephews.’
    That's not how it was portrayed in the documentary on Sky Atlantic about the Pope starring Jeremy Irons.

    That showed that not only did the Pope have kids, but they liked to keep it in the family too.
    Quite a remarkable "documentary" that was :smile:
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,174

    Starmer and Trump now Donald and Keir and certainly it seems a win for Starmer

    The conservative and the right should welcome the deal and also maybe a lesson to Davey that sometimes crawling and pulling all the levers is the only way rather than antagonism

    Surprised at you recommending 'crawling' Big_G.

    Personally, I think we should have told Trump where to go but on balance I suspect Starmer is playing a much shrewder game than Trump.
    I will be amazed if it is not a shit deal for UK
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,022
    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    I hope he voted for Kamala. If not they've made a big mistake.

    If Jesus returned he certainly wouldn’t be voting for the GOP .
    I think he'd try for the DEM nomination.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,520
    kinabalu said:

    I hope he voted for Kamala. If not they've made a big mistake.

    He's the one who told JD Vance that he got his theology wrong. So he can't be all bad.

    https://x.com/drprevost/status/1886469097560719594
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 45,022

    kinabalu said:

    I hope he voted for Kamala. If not they've made a big mistake.

    He's the one who told JD Vance that he got his theology wrong. So he can't be all bad.

    https://x.com/drprevost/status/1886469097560719594
    Ah yes. Good solid choice then.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,485
    OT a great moment on today's Countdown when Susie explained that mofette is another word for fumerole.
  • TazTaz Posts: 17,949

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Is this some sort of anti-Trump statement from the cardinals?

    Prevest is going to clash with the Trump administration on immigration, but is a bit more conservative than Francis on homosexuality.
    Francis who said the Vatican was too queer?
    Where’s his washboard

    https://youtu.be/nTEyhkPB1FA?si=7xwCOKKdfluN1Hmq
  • SonofContrarianSonofContrarian Posts: 163

    Exciting to hear the Tories attacking the trade deal with Gilead as "we've just been shafted". The response from both industry and union bodies appears to be mostly positive, with key red lines protected.

    Compare and contrast with the Tory AuzNZ deal which was so bad that news media there were openly laughing at us for giving so much away for such little in return.

    We know what the Kemi mentality is. Unless the Tories did it, we get shafted. Nobody is listening any more Kemi!

    If you read my posts I have been unusually complimentary of Starmer and the deal and contrasted his closeness to Trump with Davey's anti Trump rhetoric

    Ironically it won't change my vote but it may actually help the Lib Dems as I expect the left are not at all impressed with Starmer’s relationship with Trump

    As far as Kemi is concerned I am ambivalent towards her and the conservative party are not at the races at present
    I see the Liberal Democrats as just a sort of holding gully for voters as they ebb away from Labour. I don't see them voting Lib Dem in the event, unless their policies change completely. What's the point in voting for something identical to Labour but with more larking about on logflumes? We will need solutions to growth, law and order, and immigration, and they don't have any.
    Larking about on logflumes..😆 Pretty much nails everything about the unserious Lib Dem leadership..😏
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,574

    Great analysis by Kemi over the disastrous trade deal.

    "We've been shafted!"

    Slightly overshadowed by the Pope! As it happens I thought her comment so asinine the distraction of the spectacle actually did her a favour
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,174
    vik said:

    vik said:

    Is it worth betting on Reform for the Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse byelection ? The odds offered are 8 to 11.

    https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/european-politics/scottish-politics/hamilton-larkhall-and-stonehouse-by-election

    They got only 0.2% in the constituency in 2021 (same as overall Scottish Parliament votes), versus 41% for SNP, but since then the polls show Reform at 20% & SNP down from 48% to 33%.
    LOL, if you have money to burn dive in
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,613
    rcs1000 said:

    FF43 said:

    The new pope is apparently a centrist, but presumably not a dad?

    In the old times Popes didn’t have children they had ‘nieces and nephews.’
    That's not how it was portrayed in the documentary on Sky Atlantic about the Pope starring Jeremy Irons.

    That showed that not only did the Pope have kids, but they liked to keep it in the family too.
    Quite a remarkable "documentary" that was :smile:
    A surprising amount of sibling rivalry in the Vatican.

    But not as much as in Jeremy Irons' 1994 documentary on an African royal family.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,574
    Taz said:

    ChatGPT strikes again?

    LABOUR have been left red-faced after making a glaring error in their announcement hailing the new UK-US trade deal.

    Not only did they describe the deal as good – despite the US continuing to impose hefty tariffs on swathes of the UK economy – but they also left brewers baffled by claiming it would be a boon for pubs.

    The UK Government press release heralding news of the deal claimed: “We will also remove the tariff on ethanol – which is used to produce beer – coming into the UK from the US, down to zero.”

    There’s just one problem there. Ethanol isn’t used to produce beer.

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/labour-red-faced-glaring-error-165347713.html

    I saw that Beth Rigby, quality journalist that she is, recycled that claim verbatim. What happened to journalists checking stories out.
    The news has been read the damage has been done and Sir Keir is the hero. To late for the small print. He's earned his bit of good fortune
  • LeonLeon Posts: 60,429
    Roger said:

    Taz said:

    ChatGPT strikes again?

    LABOUR have been left red-faced after making a glaring error in their announcement hailing the new UK-US trade deal.

    Not only did they describe the deal as good – despite the US continuing to impose hefty tariffs on swathes of the UK economy – but they also left brewers baffled by claiming it would be a boon for pubs.

    The UK Government press release heralding news of the deal claimed: “We will also remove the tariff on ethanol – which is used to produce beer – coming into the UK from the US, down to zero.”

    There’s just one problem there. Ethanol isn’t used to produce beer.

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/labour-red-faced-glaring-error-165347713.html

    I saw that Beth Rigby, quality journalist that she is, recycled that claim verbatim. What happened to journalists checking stories out.
    The news has been read the damage has been done and Sir Keir is the hero. To late for the small print. He's earned his bit of good fortune
    What's your prediction, Rog? Big Labour bounce in the polls? Back over 30%? Even better?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,764
    At what point do future prospects for the Tories look so bleak that some of them actually think “sod it, might as well try Boris”?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,111
    Apparently the new Pope is registered as a Republican.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,785
    Taz said:

    ChatGPT strikes again?

    LABOUR have been left red-faced after making a glaring error in their announcement hailing the new UK-US trade deal.

    Not only did they describe the deal as good – despite the US continuing to impose hefty tariffs on swathes of the UK economy – but they also left brewers baffled by claiming it would be a boon for pubs.

    The UK Government press release heralding news of the deal claimed: “We will also remove the tariff on ethanol – which is used to produce beer – coming into the UK from the US, down to zero.”

    There’s just one problem there. Ethanol isn’t used to produce beer.

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/labour-red-faced-glaring-error-165347713.html

    I saw that Beth Rigby, quality journalist that she is, recycled that claim verbatim. What happened to journalists checking stories out.
    I mean, don't you just automatically stand back and think "Ethanol? In fucking beer???"
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,785
    ydoethur said:

    FF43 said:

    ydoethur said:

    We have a pope.

    And blether on the Beeb that would embarrass John Virgo.

    The BBC are pontificating.
    Their confusion is papable.
    It's all bull...
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,332

    Apparently the new Pope is registered as a Republican.

    Fake news !
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,785
    I heard it's an American Pope.

    Surely, they didn't - did they?
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 6,764

    Taz said:

    ChatGPT strikes again?

    LABOUR have been left red-faced after making a glaring error in their announcement hailing the new UK-US trade deal.

    Not only did they describe the deal as good – despite the US continuing to impose hefty tariffs on swathes of the UK economy – but they also left brewers baffled by claiming it would be a boon for pubs.

    The UK Government press release heralding news of the deal claimed: “We will also remove the tariff on ethanol – which is used to produce beer – coming into the UK from the US, down to zero.”

    There’s just one problem there. Ethanol isn’t used to produce beer.

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/labour-red-faced-glaring-error-165347713.html

    I saw that Beth Rigby, quality journalist that she is, recycled that claim verbatim. What happened to journalists checking stories out.
    I mean, don't you just automatically stand back and think "Ethanol? In fucking beer???"
    What did she think the fermentation was for?

    I could believe that Carling was any old fizzy pop that looked the part, plus a drop of ethanol, mind.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,613

    Taz said:

    ChatGPT strikes again?

    LABOUR have been left red-faced after making a glaring error in their announcement hailing the new UK-US trade deal.

    Not only did they describe the deal as good – despite the US continuing to impose hefty tariffs on swathes of the UK economy – but they also left brewers baffled by claiming it would be a boon for pubs.

    The UK Government press release heralding news of the deal claimed: “We will also remove the tariff on ethanol – which is used to produce beer – coming into the UK from the US, down to zero.”

    There’s just one problem there. Ethanol isn’t used to produce beer.

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/labour-red-faced-glaring-error-165347713.html

    I saw that Beth Rigby, quality journalist that she is, recycled that claim verbatim. What happened to journalists checking stories out.
    I mean, don't you just automatically stand back and think "Ethanol? In fucking beer???"
    Its the alcohol fuelled car that caused the confusion.

    https://youtu.be/OwgkHr9F1vw?si=c6OfkNmZb2_tgnk8
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 30,011
    New Pope has been fighting with Vance on Twitter. This is going to be fun. American Catholicism has got some insane people very loud in its numbers - they won’t be happy
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,453

    Exciting to hear the Tories attacking the trade deal with Gilead as "we've just been shafted". The response from both industry and union bodies appears to be mostly positive, with key red lines protected.

    Compare and contrast with the Tory AuzNZ deal which was so bad that news media there were openly laughing at us for giving so much away for such little in return.

    We know what the Kemi mentality is. Unless the Tories did it, we get shafted. Nobody is listening any more Kemi!

    If you read my posts I have been unusually complimentary of Starmer and the deal and contrasted his closeness to Trump with Davey's anti Trump rhetoric

    Ironically it won't change my vote but it may actually help the Lib Dems as I expect the left are not at all impressed with Starmer’s relationship with Trump

    As far as Kemi is concerned I am ambivalent towards her and the conservative party are not at the races at present
    I see the Liberal Democrats as just a sort of holding gully for voters as they ebb away from Labour. I don't see them voting Lib Dem in the event, unless their policies change completely. What's the point in voting for something identical to Labour but with more larking about on logflumes? We will need solutions to growth, law and order, and immigration, and they don't have any.
    Larking about on logflumes..😆 Pretty much nails everything about the unserious Lib Dem leadership..😏
    I think you may be rather underestimating the Lib Dems, both as campaigners and as policy makers. Once they get elected, they are generally extremely difficult to defeat. The Tories are in very serious difficulty, and the Lib Dems are steadily rising at elections and in the polls. I think there is a fair chance that the Lib Dems will out poll the Tories at the Scottish Parliament elections, and that has serious repercussions if the Tories still have any hope of being a national party.

    Yet the most fundamentally unserious party is RefUK- the paper councillors will cause them significant headaches in the coming months, so watch for defections and resignations in that quarter. Ed Davey is getting traction with his attacks on Farage as the Poundland Trump, so the idea that NF Nigel will get things all his own way is mostly in the drug addled brains of the right wing and fash-curious media types.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,520
    biggles said:

    At what point do future prospects for the Tories look so bleak that some of them actually think “sod it, might as well try Boris”?

    Leaving aside that Boris is a Busted Flush (even if he wasn't past it, even if he could finesse Liargate, Boriswave was a genius bit of negative marketing), BoJo would have to find a winnable seat at a by-election.

    With the Conservatives heading for half the Reform score, that's not going to happen.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,574

    Cookie said:

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/1920505355043225808

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 33% (+4)
    LAB: 20% (-1)
    CON: 16% (-3)
    LDM: 15% (+2)
    GRN: 11% (=)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 7 May.
    Changes w/ 30 Apr.

    Baxtered, that gives:
    Ref 416
    Lab 92
    LD 56
    Con 8
    That is even more hilarious
    Does Kemi keep her seat?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 65,199
    Roger said:

    Cookie said:

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/1920505355043225808

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 33% (+4)
    LAB: 20% (-1)
    CON: 16% (-3)
    LDM: 15% (+2)
    GRN: 11% (=)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 7 May.
    Changes w/ 30 Apr.

    Baxtered, that gives:
    Ref 416
    Lab 92
    LD 56
    Con 8
    That is even more hilarious
    Does Kemi keep her seat?
    Does Keir
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,474
    kinabalu said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    I hope he voted for Kamala. If not they've made a big mistake.

    If Jesus returned he certainly wouldn’t be voting for the GOP .
    I think he'd try for the DEM nomination.
    At 2058 years old he is in the right age category.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,810
    biggles said:

    At what point do future prospects for the Tories look so bleak that some of them actually think “sod it, might as well try Boris”?

    Nadine's already there.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,716

    Apparently the new Pope is registered as a Republican.

    Could I have a source for that, because according to the Washington Post, Catholic Church policy is for senior clergy not to register political affiliation.
  • FossFoss Posts: 1,470

    biggles said:

    At what point do future prospects for the Tories look so bleak that some of them actually think “sod it, might as well try Boris”?

    Nadine's already there.
    Boris is her answer to everything - Bad polls? Boris! Late pizza? Boris! Mixup with the dry cleaning? Boris!
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,671
    WRT tactical voting, in most Labour-held seats, there’s not much of a Lib Dem vote left to squeeze. Labour and Lib Dem supporters sorted themselves out to defeat Conservatives incumbents.

    There is frequently quite a big Tory vote left to squeeze, but that’s more likely to go Reform, rather than Labour. But, I guess most Green voters would go over to Labour.

    If we started the election campaign with these numbers, I expect we’d end with something like:

    Reform 39%
    Labour 32%
    Lib Dem 12%
    Conservative 10%
    Green 3%
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,520

    Roger said:

    Cookie said:

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/1920505355043225808

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 33% (+4)
    LAB: 20% (-1)
    CON: 16% (-3)
    LDM: 15% (+2)
    GRN: 11% (=)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 7 May.
    Changes w/ 30 Apr.

    Baxtered, that gives:
    Ref 416
    Lab 92
    LD 56
    Con 8
    That is even more hilarious
    Does Kemi keep her seat?
    Does Keir
    Probably.

    Starmer has a 30% majority over a random lefty, with nobody else close.

    Badenoch has 5% majority over Labour and a 20% lead over Reform.

    Things are bad for Labour, but worse for the Conservatives. As former Conservative activists, that should bother both of us.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,047
    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/1920505355043225808

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 33% (+4)
    LAB: 20% (-1)
    CON: 16% (-3)
    LDM: 15% (+2)
    GRN: 11% (=)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 7 May.
    Changes w/ 30 Apr.

    At that level of Reform share, tactical voting doesn't help non-Reform parties much: that points to a clear Reform majority, and it's entirely possible that the LibDems end up the official opposition.
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
    Normally tipping point is just hyperbole but I wonder if one has now actually been reached
    Yes, if we're ever going to get a tipping point, this must be it

    THAT SAID, we need a few more polls with similar numbers to this, not from Find Out Now. That said again, Find Out Now were arguably closer to the local elex results than other pollsters, so maybe Find Out Now are actually superior at polling this new situation with this new party

    Basically, anyone supporting the Tories who wants a change from Labour now needs to shift to Reform. I just can't see the Tories coming back from 16%, unless they get Boris in and he does a miracle, or somehow Jenrick.....

    Nah
    Reform need to drop the Putinism and Hunt-up their economics before I'd consider them
    That's the thing, isn't it?

    The Conservatives shat the bed on immigration, but Reform (and Farage in particular) are in the pockets of Putin and Trump - both of which are clear and present dangers to the world.
    Utter tripe.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 23,613

    rcs1000 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/1920505355043225808

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 33% (+4)
    LAB: 20% (-1)
    CON: 16% (-3)
    LDM: 15% (+2)
    GRN: 11% (=)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 7 May.
    Changes w/ 30 Apr.

    At that level of Reform share, tactical voting doesn't help non-Reform parties much: that points to a clear Reform majority, and it's entirely possible that the LibDems end up the official opposition.
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
    Normally tipping point is just hyperbole but I wonder if one has now actually been reached
    Yes, if we're ever going to get a tipping point, this must be it

    THAT SAID, we need a few more polls with similar numbers to this, not from Find Out Now. That said again, Find Out Now were arguably closer to the local elex results than other pollsters, so maybe Find Out Now are actually superior at polling this new situation with this new party

    Basically, anyone supporting the Tories who wants a change from Labour now needs to shift to Reform. I just can't see the Tories coming back from 16%, unless they get Boris in and he does a miracle, or somehow Jenrick.....

    Nah
    Reform need to drop the Putinism and Hunt-up their economics before I'd consider them
    That's the thing, isn't it?

    The Conservatives shat the bed on immigration, but Reform (and Farage in particular) are in the pockets of Putin and Trump - both of which are clear and present dangers to the world.
    Utter tripe.
    And to prove that they're not in the pockets of Putin we turn to the founder and President of the PB Putinist Fan Club.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 55,111
    rcs1000 said:

    Apparently the new Pope is registered as a Republican.

    Could I have a source for that, because according to the Washington Post, Catholic Church policy is for senior clergy not to register political affiliation.
    https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1920537648004759889
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    edited May 8
    rcs1000 said:

    ChatGPT strikes again?

    LABOUR have been left red-faced after making a glaring error in their announcement hailing the new UK-US trade deal.

    Not only did they describe the deal as good – despite the US continuing to impose hefty tariffs on swathes of the UK economy – but they also left brewers baffled by claiming it would be a boon for pubs.

    The UK Government press release heralding news of the deal claimed: “We will also remove the tariff on ethanol – which is used to produce beer – coming into the UK from the US, down to zero.”

    There’s just one problem there. Ethanol isn’t used to produce beer.

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/labour-red-faced-glaring-error-165347713.html

    Ethanol is a feedstock for biofuels, and is mixed in with petrol to make it slightly greener*. But there is currently no tariff on ethanol imports to the UK. It's just that there isn't much demand in the UK to mix it with petrol.

    * There is much debate over whether it actually is greener
    When Trump said it, we just presumed liar / poorly briefed, but the UK government repeated both it was tariffed and used to make beer. Are you sure you are correct on the tariff front, because the UK government seem convinced there was and they set them? Or are the UK government officials double morons?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 31,047
    AnneJGP said:

    Legendary modesty klaxon.

    I did say the next Bishop of Rome betting market was a game for mugs as it was the epitome of an insiders’ market.

    Surprises me that the insiders engage in betting.
    They're not allowed to engage in much else, so why not?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,491
    Andy_JS said:

    Anyone know what the odds were on Provest beforehand?

    Not specifically, but from my earlier post he would have been 7/1 or above. We all missed it. ☹️
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,574
    nico67 said:

    Apparently the new Pope is registered as a Republican.

    Fake news !
    Williamglenn fake news! That would be a first!!
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,810
    So, Kemi is straight on Twitter on the US deal saying "We've been shafted!"
    She really is not a wise leader, with this propensity to reach a wholly negative, knee-jerk instantaneous judgement on anything that the government does, without giving herself time to digest the detail and think through the ramifications.
    If I were one of the handful of remaining Tories, I'd want rid of her.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,873
    edited May 8

    So, Kemi is straight on Twitter on the US deal saying "We've been shafted!"
    She really is not a wise leader, with this propensity to reach a wholly negative, knee-jerk instantaneous judgement on anything that the government does, without giving herself time to digest the detail and think through the ramifications.
    If I were one of the handful of remaining Tories, I'd want rid of her.

    I think she needs to put the twatter machine down and wait to see what picture emerges on any story. That is the luxury you have of being opposition, you can take your time to respond. You won't have Beth Rigby shouting at you to say something from the sidelines in Downing Street every minute of every day.

    The reality is not everything has been agreed yet and what has been is quite small beer (with added tariff free ethanol) ;-)
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,574
    malcolmg said:

    Starmer and Trump now Donald and Keir and certainly it seems a win for Starmer

    The conservative and the right should welcome the deal and also maybe a lesson to Davey that sometimes crawling and pulling all the levers is the only way rather than antagonism

    Surprised at you recommending 'crawling' Big_G.

    Personally, I think we should have told Trump where to go but on balance I suspect Starmer is playing a much shrewder game than Trump.
    I will be amazed if it is not a shit deal for UK
    We'll never know......

    The dogs bark and the caravan moves on.......
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,474

    So, Kemi is straight on Twitter on the US deal saying "We've been shafted!"
    She really is not a wise leader, with this propensity to reach a wholly negative, knee-jerk instantaneous judgement on anything that the government does, without giving herself time to digest the detail and think through the ramifications.
    If I were one of the handful of remaining Tories, I'd want rid of her.

    Sure, but then you will have Jenrick in charge, who they will also want rid of. Their problems are bigger than the leader.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,923

    Roger said:

    Cookie said:

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/1920505355043225808

    Westminster Voting Intention:

    RFM: 33% (+4)
    LAB: 20% (-1)
    CON: 16% (-3)
    LDM: 15% (+2)
    GRN: 11% (=)

    Via @FindoutnowUK, 7 May.
    Changes w/ 30 Apr.

    Baxtered, that gives:
    Ref 416
    Lab 92
    LD 56
    Con 8
    That is even more hilarious
    Does Kemi keep her seat?
    Does Keir
    Probably.

    Starmer has a 30% majority over a random lefty, with nobody else close.

    Badenoch has 5% majority over Labour and a 20% lead over Reform.

    Things are bad for Labour, but worse for the Conservatives. As former Conservative activists, that should bother both of us.
    Which is why both Labour factions are correct. Fundamentally Reform is doing well because of the total collapse of the Conservatives, not because Labour supporters are switching to Reform in any great numbers. But because they are switching to the Greens, Lib Dems, other parties and no vote, so Reform are Labour's greatest threat
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 27,573

    rcs1000 said:

    ChatGPT strikes again?

    LABOUR have been left red-faced after making a glaring error in their announcement hailing the new UK-US trade deal.

    Not only did they describe the deal as good – despite the US continuing to impose hefty tariffs on swathes of the UK economy – but they also left brewers baffled by claiming it would be a boon for pubs.

    The UK Government press release heralding news of the deal claimed: “We will also remove the tariff on ethanol – which is used to produce beer – coming into the UK from the US, down to zero.”

    There’s just one problem there. Ethanol isn’t used to produce beer.

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/labour-red-faced-glaring-error-165347713.html

    Ethanol is a feedstock for biofuels, and is mixed in with petrol to make it slightly greener*. But there is currently no tariff on ethanol imports to the UK. It's just that there isn't much demand in the UK to mix it with petrol.

    * There is much debate over whether it actually is greener
    When Trump said it, we just presumed liar / poorly briefed, but the UK government repeated both it was tariffed and used to make beer. Are you sure you are correct on the tariff front, because the UK government seem convinced there was and they set them? Or are the UK government officials double morons?
    Its normally safe to assume that none of them know what they're talking about.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,485
    Speaker FURIOUS at Labour HIDING UK-US trade deal from MPs
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWOgBlUF0K0
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,785

    ydoethur said:

    Cookie said:

    Andy_JS said:

    nico67 said:

    IanB2 said:

    An American pope? Yuk

    It could have been worse , there was that Orban arselicker . And Leo does seem to have a kind face .

    I’m not at all religious but I get good vibes from the new pope .
    Good vibes based on what?
    Never trust a bishop. The bishop of Rome is no ezception.
    They're all crooks.
    Just glanced at BBC and it had a header "Criminals gather on the balcony".
    But I'd misread 'cardinals'.
    I misheard that Hamas had been held in St. Peters by the Cardinals...
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