The 14/1 bet I’ve just taken – politicalbetting.com
If things turn out as the polls predict then on Monday the Canadian Liberal Party are going to experience the greatest Canadian victory since The Battle of Vimy Ridge.
If the TSE 14/1 comes on, that definitely trumps my long-standing 10/1 on the next Canadian government being Liberal. My bet was placed on the day Trump first started on about Canada being the 51st state and Canadians started booing the US national anthem at hockey matches - on the basis that it seemed possible Canadians would rally to their government when under attack from their neighbour. With hindsight, of course, it should have been a larger bet…
Just watched the best women's rugby match I ever seen. England 43 France 42. The French wingers were incredible and didn't deserve to be on the losing side.
You should have said the greatest Canadian victory since the battle of the Plains of Abraham.
During my transatlantic crossing last autumn, I read a great account of that campaign. The author’s thesis was that the British campaign in Canada, even though involving small numbers of troops in a relative backwater of the time, was actually one of the most consequential in history, making possible the formation of the United States.
He argued that so long as the British colonies were under threat from a French rival to the north, the colonial settlers had to stay loyal to the crown for protection, thus only after the removal of the French from Canada were they able to even think of revolution against their own monarchy.
Further, the military experience the settlers who joined that campaign gained was later critical to organising the continental army. And, once it has lost its own colonies on the American continent, France was free to embrace and support the American revolution; French support being the critical factor in its success (as anyone who has learned their history other than inside the US will know).
Just watched the best women's rugby match I ever seen. England 43 France 42. The French wingers were incredible and didn't deserve to be on the losing side.
If I’d been watching, it would have been the best women’s rugby match I have ever seen, as well.
I think it highly unlikely Poilievre loses his seat even if Carney wins most seats and the Liberals the election.
On most Canadian polls the Conservatives are up at least 5% on the last GE in 2021 remember, just the Liberals are up about 10% so even more. It is the NDP vote which has collapsed to the Liberals not the Conservative vote and the Conservatives have squeezed some of the PPC and BQ vote to compensate.
Given the 2.5% swing to the Liberals nationally from the Conservatives, the 15% majority Poilievre had in 2021 should ensure he still holds his seat comfortably even if his majority is down
No, the Democrats won't want a presidential election loser to run again and at 77 he is too old anyway. They will want a younger candidate after 82 year old Biden and 60 year old Harris
If the TSE 14/1 comes on, that definitely trumps my long-standing 10/1 on the next Canadian government being Liberal. My bet was placed on the day Trump first started on about Canada being the 51st state and Canadians started booing the US national anthem at hockey matches - on the basis that it seemed possible Canadians would rally to their government when under attack from their neighbour. With hindsight, of course, it should have been a larger bet…
If my bet proves to be a winner then I promise to remain characteristically modest and self effacing.
But I expect yours to be the winner on Monday evening/Tuesday morning.
If the TSE 14/1 comes on, that definitely trumps my long-standing 10/1 on the next Canadian government being Liberal. My bet was placed on the day Trump first started on about Canada being the 51st state and Canadians started booing the US national anthem at hockey matches - on the basis that it seemed possible Canadians would rally to their government when under attack from their neighbour. With hindsight, of course, it should have been a larger bet…
TSE and Casino 14/1
I got my tip in a full 7 minutes before his thread went up.
If the TSE 14/1 comes on, that definitely trumps my long-standing 10/1 on the next Canadian government being Liberal. My bet was placed on the day Trump first started on about Canada being the 51st state and Canadians started booing the US national anthem at hockey matches - on the basis that it seemed possible Canadians would rally to their government when under attack from their neighbour. With hindsight, of course, it should have been a larger bet…
TSE and Casino 14/1
I got my tip in a full 7 minutes before his thread went up.
That’s a fertiliser fire/explosion. The pattern is classic - the heat and pressure from weight and the gases building up in the pile makes the pike burn ever hotter and more violent. Until it goes high order. See Beirut.
You should have said the greatest Canadian victory since the battle of the Plains of Abraham.
During my transatlantic crossing last autumn, I read a great account of that campaign. The author’s thesis was that the British campaign in Canada, even though involving small numbers of troops in a relative backwater of the time, was actually one of the most consequential in history, making possible the formation of the United States.
He argued that so long as the British colonies were under threat from a French rival to the north, the colonial settlers had to stay loyal to the crown for protection, thus only after the removal of the French from Canada were they able to even think of revolution against their own monarchy.
Further, the military experience the settlers who joined that campaign gained was later critical to organising the continental army. And, once it has lost its own colonies on the American continent, France was free to embrace and support the American revolution; French support being the critical factor in its success (as anyone who has learned their history other than inside the US will know).
And, I remember, there was a further factor - the British attempts to recover the costs of their war in Canada led directly to the proto-Americans’ growing unhappiness, ever since when they’ve been trying to make tea out of cold water.
I've just looked at the constituency, can't see Poilievre suffering a 10% swing against him (taking into account boundary changes) especially when the NDP are only at 11% so not much to squeeze.
By the way, 91 candidates? That would be like taking a roll of toilet paper into the polling booth.
On topic, while I'm assuming Canada Trump will hold his seat the mere fact he's in any doubt at all is a pretty damning indictment of just how badly things have gone for him in the last three months.
If the TSE 14/1 comes on, that definitely trumps my long-standing 10/1 on the next Canadian government being Liberal. My bet was placed on the day Trump first started on about Canada being the 51st state and Canadians started booing the US national anthem at hockey matches - on the basis that it seemed possible Canadians would rally to their government when under attack from their neighbour. With hindsight, of course, it should have been a larger bet…
TSE and Casino 14/1
I got my tip in a full 7 minutes before his thread went up.
I've just looked at the constituency, can't see Poilievre suffering a 10% swing against him (taking into account boundary changes) especially when the NDP are only at 11% so not much to squeeze.
By the way, 91 candidates? That would be like taking a roll of toilet paper into the polling booth.
Except the shit would be all over it going in as well.
If the TSE 14/1 comes on, that definitely trumps my long-standing 10/1 on the next Canadian government being Liberal. My bet was placed on the day Trump first started on about Canada being the 51st state and Canadians started booing the US national anthem at hockey matches - on the basis that it seemed possible Canadians would rally to their government when under attack from their neighbour. With hindsight, of course, it should have been a larger bet…
TSE and Casino 14/1
I got my tip in a full 7 minutes before his thread went up.
If the TSE 14/1 comes on, that definitely trumps my long-standing 10/1 on the next Canadian government being Liberal. My bet was placed on the day Trump first started on about Canada being the 51st state and Canadians started booing the US national anthem at hockey matches - on the basis that it seemed possible Canadians would rally to their government when under attack from their neighbour. With hindsight, of course, it should have been a larger bet…
TSE and Casino 14/1
I got my tip in a full 7 minutes before his thread went up.
If the TSE 14/1 comes on, that definitely trumps my long-standing 10/1 on the next Canadian government being Liberal. My bet was placed on the day Trump first started on about Canada being the 51st state and Canadians started booing the US national anthem at hockey matches - on the basis that it seemed possible Canadians would rally to their government when under attack from their neighbour. With hindsight, of course, it should have been a larger bet…
TSE and Casino 14/1
I got my tip in a full 7 minutes before his thread went up.
You should have said the greatest Canadian victory since the battle of the Plains of Abraham.
During my transatlantic crossing last autumn, I read a great account of that campaign. The author’s thesis was that the British campaign in Canada, even though involving small numbers of troops in a relative backwater of the time, was actually one of the most consequential in history, making possible the formation of the United States.
He argued that so long as the British colonies were under threat from a French rival to the north, the colonial settlers had to stay loyal to the crown for protection, thus only after the removal of the French from Canada were they able to even think of revolution against their own monarchy.
Further, the military experience the settlers who joined that campaign gained was later critical to organising the continental army. And, once it has lost its own colonies on the American continent, France was free to embrace and support the American revolution; French support being the critical factor in its success (as anyone who has learned their history other than inside the US will know).
And of course the impoverishment of the French crown, due to its financial and military support for American independence against the British, led quite directly to the French Revolution and then Napoleon
I've just looked at the constituency, can't see Poilievre suffering a 10% swing against him (taking into account boundary changes) especially when the NDP are only at 11% so not much to squeeze.
By the way, 91 candidates? That would be like taking a roll of toilet paper into the polling booth.
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I am trying to work out what is the biggest gap between serving as Vice President and becoming President.
First thoughts is eight years for Nixon.
I think it is Nixon. He's the outlier.
Dan Quayle tried after seven years, in the 2000 Republican primaries, but didn't get far and of course George W won.
It is worth remembering that until the 1950s and Nixon Vice Presidents tended to be rather low key and unimportant unless they succeeded due to a death. It was perfectly normal for a cabinet minister or a charismatic governor to have a much higher profile and to get the nomination at conference while if you mentioned the VP people looked blank and said 'who?'
With the nuclear age and fairly radical reorganisations of the government under first Roosevelt and then Eisenhower that changed, and since then the Vice President has been much more than just a cipher. In the nineteenth century from the change in the electoral system until 1940 only two current or former Vice Presidents were even party nominees (excluding those who had become President in advance) - since 1952 that figure is seven.
I've just looked at the constituency, can't see Poilievre suffering a 10% swing against him (taking into account boundary changes) especially when the NDP are only at 11% so not much to squeeze.
By the way, 91 candidates? That would be like taking a roll of toilet paper into the polling booth.
This is Canada. There are no boundaries on swing. And, the NDP are being heavily squeezed to almost nothing nationwide. You add a bit of Greens to that and it gets close.
It's not made up news that more resources are being sent to defend his seat. That wouldn't be the case if it was safe. The Globe and Mail says it looked a dead heat:
No, the Democrats won't want a presidential election loser to run again and at 77 he is too old anyway. They will want a younger candidate after 82 year old Biden and 60 year old Harris
It might suit Trump, though, and it's the Putinist way to choose your opponent for your sham elections.
I've just looked at the constituency, can't see Poilievre suffering a 10% swing against him (taking into account boundary changes) especially when the NDP are only at 11% so not much to squeeze.
By the way, 91 candidates? That would be like taking a roll of toilet paper into the polling booth.
That's the Longest Ballot Committee, who are the Just Stop First Past The Post activists in Canada.
No, the Democrats won't want a presidential election loser to run again and at 77 he is too old anyway. They will want a younger candidate after 82 year old Biden and 60 year old Harris
It might suit Trump, though, and it's the Putinist way to choose your opponent for your sham elections.
Democratic primary voters would pick AOC or Buttigieg or even Walz over Gore now and the DNC controls their primaries not POTUS. Not that Gore has the slightest interest in running again anyway
No, the Democrats won't want a presidential election loser to run again and at 77 he is too old anyway. They will want a younger candidate after 82 year old Biden and 60 year old Harris
It might suit Trump, though, and it's the Putinist way to choose your opponent for your sham elections.
Democratic primary voters would pick AOC or Buttigieg or even Walz over Gore now and the DNC controls their primaries not POTUS. Not that Gore has the slightest interest in running again anyway
That's how things used to be, but in Trump's world things will be different.
I am trying to work out what is the biggest gap between serving as Vice President and becoming President.
First thoughts is eight years for Nixon.
I think it is Nixon. He's the outlier.
Dan Quayle tried after seven years, in the 2000 Republican primaries, but didn't get far and of course George W won.
It is worth remembering that until the 1950s and Nixon Vice Presidents tended to be rather low key and unimportant unless they succeeded due to a death. It was perfectly normal for a cabinet minister or a charismatic governor to have a much higher profile and to get the nomination at conference while if you mentioned the VP people looked blank and said 'who?'
With the nuclear age and fairly radical reorganisations of the government under first Roosevelt and then Eisenhower that changed, and since then the Vice President has been much more than just a cipher. In the nineteenth century from the change in the electoral system until 1940 only two current or former Vice Presidents were even party nominees (excluding those who had become President in advance) - since 1952 that figure is seven.
And of the former VPs who were elected or became President since WW2 eg Truman, LBJ, Ford and HW Bush they were probably above average. Having some experience of the Oval Office and executive branch no doubt helped. Even Biden was not a complete disaster.
Nixon too Watergate apart compared to Trump he was a colossus and brought China in from the cold of course rather than going to a trade war with it and was probably the most intelligent President in that timeframe with the most in depth knowledge of policy. Only Bill Clinton really challenged him on that
It's interesting that the two candidates for Prime Minister are in neighbouring constituencies. Poilievre in Carleton and Carney in Nepean. Has that ever happened in the UK?
I've just looked at the constituency, can't see Poilievre suffering a 10% swing against him (taking into account boundary changes) especially when the NDP are only at 11% so not much to squeeze.
By the way, 91 candidates? That would be like taking a roll of toilet paper into the polling booth.
I put a £1 on, still at 14/1.
Then went browsing the other topical political bets on offer. The Greens in west of England mayoral look value. The odds on the LibDems in Cambs don’t look value - but are a lot better in terms of prospects than the recent polling there suggests. Sadly, Jenkyns at 1/3 in Lincs is pretty good value given recent polling, with just a few days to collect. I put a £1 on the LibDems in Hull, as that would be a cracking, and well deserved, result for their energetic young team. Reform to win in Doncaster at 4/7 is probably also value, but I will wait until me and the dog are staying there the night before polling day next week. I’m sure pre-election night in Doncaster will be one to remember.
It's interesting that the two candidates for Prime Minister are in neighbouring constituencies. Poilievre in Carleton and Carney in Nepean. Has that ever happened in the UK?
It's interesting that the two candidates for Prime Minister are in neighbouring constituencies. Poilievre in Carleton and Carney in Nepean. Has that ever happened in the UK?
China seized Vietnam’s Sand Cay in the South China Sea, per FT. Chinese forces occupied the uninhabited island, which had Vietnamese posts and a fishing station, raising the PRC flag.
You should have said the greatest Canadian victory since the battle of the Plains of Abraham.
During my transatlantic crossing last autumn, I read a great account of that campaign. The author’s thesis was that the British campaign in Canada, even though involving small numbers of troops in a relative backwater of the time, was actually one of the most consequential in history, making possible the formation of the United States.
He argued that so long as the British colonies were under threat from a French rival to the north, the colonial settlers had to stay loyal to the crown for protection, thus only after the removal of the French from Canada were they able to even think of revolution against their own monarchy.
Further, the military experience the settlers who joined that campaign gained was later critical to organising the continental army. And, once it has lost its own colonies on the American continent, France was free to embrace and support the American revolution; French support being the critical factor in its success (as anyone who has learned their history other than inside the US will know).
And of course the impoverishment of the French crown, due to its financial and military support for American independence against the British, led quite directly to the French Revolution and then Napoleon
So, yes, really quite pivotal. To say the least
A factor certainly though France's failure to shift to a constitutional monarchy in the way the UK had by the late 18th century and Louis XVI's commitment to a largely absolute monarchy was probably the biggest factor in the French Revolution
I must confess I'd be astonished if Poilievre lost his seat but whether he can stay on as CPC leader IF the party remains in opposition is another question.
There might be a better bet (if such markets were available) on LNP leader Peter Dutton losing his seat in Australia. He won the Dickson electorate 51.7-48.3 last time and he faces the same Labor candidate as last time.
Back to Canada and Mainstreet's rolling poll has a 5-point Liberal lead but the Nanos daily rolling poll has reduced the Liberal lead to just three points and to only five in the critical province of Ontario. CPC gains in Ontario might yet prevent Carney forming a majority Government but it could also be an outlier poll. We'll know more in two or three days.
I've just looked at the constituency, can't see Poilievre suffering a 10% swing against him (taking into account boundary changes) especially when the NDP are only at 11% so not much to squeeze.
By the way, 91 candidates? That would be like taking a roll of toilet paper into the polling booth.
I put a £1 on, still at 14/1.
Then went browsing the other topical political bets on offer. The Greens in west of England look value. The odds on the LibDems in Cambs don’t look value - but are a lot better in terms of prospects than the recent polling there suggests. Sadly, Jenkyns at 1/3 in Lincs is pretty good value given recent polling, with just a few days to collect. I put a £1 on the LibDems in Hull, as that would be a cracking, and well deserved, result for their energetic young team. Reform to win on Doncaster at 4/7 is probably also value, but I will wait until me and the dog are staying there the night before polling day next week. I’m sure pre-election night in Doncaster will be one to remember.
It's a bit lazy, but I might recycle some winnings into the English locals depending on what happens with Canada. And, also, I next get paid next week.
I agree Jenkyns looks good at 1/3. I haven't researched much else.
China seized Vietnam’s Sand Cay in the South China Sea, per FT. Chinese forces occupied the uninhabited island, which had Vietnamese posts and a fishing station, raising the PRC flag.
Hopefully they left a bottle of local spirits for the next visit by the Vietnamese, as do the Danes and Canadians who argue over the sovereignty of that island up near Greenland somewhere?
I must confess I'd be astonished if Poilievre lost his seat but whether he can stay on as CPC leader IF the party remains in opposition is another question.
There might be a better bet (if such markets were available) on LNP leader Peter Dutton losing his seat in Australia. He won the Dickson electorate 51.7-48.3 last time and he faces the same Labor candidate as last time.
Back to Canada and Mainstreet's rolling poll has a 5-point Liberal lead but the Nanos daily rolling poll has reduced the Liberal lead to just three points and to only five in the critical province of Ontario. CPC gains in Ontario might yet prevent Carney forming a majority Government but it could also be an outlier poll. We'll know more in two or three days.
Given most polls still have the Conservatives gaining at least 5% on their 2021 voteshare and getting their highest national vote since Harper's 2011 win he should be able to stay, especially as the Conservatives might pick up a few NDP and BQ seats even if they also lose some to the Liberals. Most opposition leaders who make clear progress on votes and/or seats get a second shot at it if they want to.
Dickson has been Coalition since 2001 so I suspect Dutton holds it even if he fails to beat Albanese nationally
You should have said the greatest Canadian victory since the battle of the Plains of Abraham.
During my transatlantic crossing last autumn, I read a great account of that campaign. The author’s thesis was that the British campaign in Canada, even though involving small numbers of troops in a relative backwater of the time, was actually one of the most consequential in history, making possible the formation of the United States.
He argued that so long as the British colonies were under threat from a French rival to the north, the colonial settlers had to stay loyal to the crown for protection, thus only after the removal of the French from Canada were they able to even think of revolution against their own monarchy.
Further, the military experience the settlers who joined that campaign gained was later critical to organising the continental army. And, once it has lost its own colonies on the American continent, France was free to embrace and support the American revolution; French support being the critical factor in its success (as anyone who has learned their history other than inside the US will know).
And of course the impoverishment of the French crown, due to its financial and military support for American independence against the British, led quite directly to the French Revolution and then Napoleon
So, yes, really quite pivotal. To say the least
A factor certainly though France's failure to shift to a constitutional monarchy in the way the UK had by the late 18th century and Louis XVI's commitment to a largely absolute monarchy was probably the biggest factor in the French Revolution
True; your post does have me thinking that they were probably taking advice back then from some historical version of yourself! There’s merit in being able to see, and anticipate, the changing of the times.
No, the Democrats won't want a presidential election loser to run again and at 77 he is too old anyway. They will want a younger candidate after 82 year old Biden and 60 year old Harris
It might suit Trump, though, and it's the Putinist way to choose your opponent for your sham elections.
Democratic primary voters would pick AOC or Buttigieg or even Walz over Gore now and the DNC controls their primaries not POTUS. Not that Gore has the slightest interest in running again anyway
That's how things used to be, but in Trump's world things will be different.
The only way he could do it would be to try and create a one party state at which point the US would be heading for civil war and the blue states seceding anyway and he would also need the military behind him to try and enforce it
I've just looked at the constituency, can't see Poilievre suffering a 10% swing against him (taking into account boundary changes) especially when the NDP are only at 11% so not much to squeeze.
By the way, 91 candidates? That would be like taking a roll of toilet paper into the polling booth.
If they used AV it would take half an hour to fill in your ballot.
It's interesting that the two candidates for Prime Minister are in neighbouring constituencies. Poilievre in Carleton and Carney in Nepean. Has that ever happened in the UK?
Yes.
Blair and Hague.
I remember a reporter standing in the middle of the bridge over the Tees that linked their constituencies.
China seized Vietnam’s Sand Cay in the South China Sea, per FT. Chinese forces occupied the uninhabited island, which had Vietnamese posts and a fishing station, raising the PRC flag.
Hopefully they left a bottle of local spirits for the next visit by the Vietnamese, as do the Danes and Canadians who argue over the sovereignty of that island up near Greenland somewhere?
More likely they start to dump more sand. Until there's enough for an airstrip.
China seized Vietnam’s Sand Cay in the South China Sea, per FT. Chinese forces occupied the uninhabited island, which had Vietnamese posts and a fishing station, raising the PRC flag.
Per twitter:
"This is not Sand Cay, an island occupied by Vietnam. This is Sandy Cay, reefs with small and perhaps artificial sand mounds in the Thitu reefs (photo is on the central reef), west of Thitu island occupied by Philippines and second largest natural island of the Spratleys."
It's interesting that the two candidates for Prime Minister are in neighbouring constituencies. Poilievre in Carleton and Carney in Nepean. Has that ever happened in the UK?
I've just looked at the constituency, can't see Poilievre suffering a 10% swing against him (taking into account boundary changes) especially when the NDP are only at 11% so not much to squeeze.
By the way, 91 candidates? That would be like taking a roll of toilet paper into the polling booth.
I put a £1 on, still at 14/1.
Then went browsing the other topical political bets on offer. The Greens in west of England mayoral look value. The odds on the LibDems in Cambs don’t look value - but are a lot better in terms of prospects than the recent polling there suggests. Sadly, Jenkyns at 1/3 in Lincs is pretty good value given recent polling, with just a few days to collect. I put a £1 on the LibDems in Hull, as that would be a cracking, and well deserved, result for their energetic young team. Reform to win in Doncaster at 4/7 is probably also value, but I will wait until me and the dog are staying there the night before polling day next week. I’m sure pre-election night in Doncaster will be one to remember.
The interesting thing for West of England will be the turn out. Last time Bristol had the highest turnout but it also had council elections on the same day. This time there are no other elections so I'm guessing Bristol will have the lowest turnout.
For the Greens to win they will need to rack up the votes in Bristol, to offset weakness in S Gloucs and Banes.
I am trying to work out what is the biggest gap between serving as Vice President and becoming President.
First thoughts is eight years for Nixon.
I think it is Nixon. He's the outlier.
Dan Quayle tried after seven years, in the 2000 Republican primaries, but didn't get far and of course George W won.
It is worth remembering that until the 1950s and Nixon Vice Presidents tended to be rather low key and unimportant unless they succeeded due to a death. It was perfectly normal for a cabinet minister or a charismatic governor to have a much higher profile and to get the nomination at conference while if you mentioned the VP people looked blank and said 'who?'
With the nuclear age and fairly radical reorganisations of the government under first Roosevelt and then Eisenhower that changed, and since then the Vice President has been much more than just a cipher. In the nineteenth century from the change in the electoral system until 1940 only two current or former Vice Presidents were even party nominees (excluding those who had become President in advance) - since 1952 that figure is seven.
And of the former VPs who were elected or became President since WW2 eg Truman, LBJ, Ford and HW Bush they were probably above average. Having some experience of the Oval Office and executive branch no doubt helped. Even Biden was not a complete disaster.
Nixon too Watergate apart compared to Trump he was a colossus and brought China in from the cold of course rather than going to a trade war with it and was probably the most intelligent President in that timeframe with the most in depth knowledge of policy. Only Bill Clinton really challenged him on that
George Bush Snr was very experienced by the time he became President and had a formidable grasp of policy issues. In addition to being VP for 8 years, he'd been ambassador to the United Nations, chairman of the Republican National Committee and director of the CIA. There wouldn't have been a noticeable uptick when Clinton succeeded him, although Clinton was an exceptional politician.
I am trying to work out what is the biggest gap between serving as Vice President and becoming President.
First thoughts is eight years for Nixon.
I think it is Nixon. He's the outlier.
Dan Quayle tried after seven years, in the 2000 Republican primaries, but didn't get far and of course George W won.
It is worth remembering that until the 1950s and Nixon Vice Presidents tended to be rather low key and unimportant unless they succeeded due to a death. It was perfectly normal for a cabinet minister or a charismatic governor to have a much higher profile and to get the nomination at conference while if you mentioned the VP people looked blank and said 'who?'
With the nuclear age and fairly radical reorganisations of the government under first Roosevelt and then Eisenhower that changed, and since then the Vice President has been much more than just a cipher. In the nineteenth century from the change in the electoral system until 1940 only two current or former Vice Presidents were even party nominees (excluding those who had become President in advance) - since 1952 that figure is seven.
And of the former VPs who were elected or became President since WW2 eg Truman, LBJ, Ford and HW Bush they were probably above average. Having some experience of the Oval Office and executive branch no doubt helped. Even Biden was not a complete disaster.
Nixon too Watergate apart compared to Trump he was a colossus and brought China in from the cold of course rather than going to a trade war with it and was probably the most intelligent President in that timeframe with the most in depth knowledge of policy. Only Bill Clinton really challenged him on that
George Bush Snr was very experienced by the time he became President and had a formidable grasp of policy issues. In addition to being VP for 8 years, he'd been ambassador to the United Nations, chairman of the Republican National Committee and director of the CIA. There wouldn't have been a noticeable uptick when Clinton succeeded him, although Clinton was an exceptional politician.
Indeed, Bush Snr was probably the most qualified President of the 20th century when he took office
I've just looked at the constituency, can't see Poilievre suffering a 10% swing against him (taking into account boundary changes) especially when the NDP are only at 11% so not much to squeeze.
By the way, 91 candidates? That would be like taking a roll of toilet paper into the polling booth.
I put a £1 on, still at 14/1.
Then went browsing the other topical political bets on offer. The Greens in west of England mayoral look value. The odds on the LibDems in Cambs don’t look value - but are a lot better in terms of prospects than the recent polling there suggests. Sadly, Jenkyns at 1/3 in Lincs is pretty good value given recent polling, with just a few days to collect. I put a £1 on the LibDems in Hull, as that would be a cracking, and well deserved, result for their energetic young team. Reform to win in Doncaster at 4/7 is probably also value, but I will wait until me and the dog are staying there the night before polling day next week. I’m sure pre-election night in Doncaster will be one to remember.
The interesting thing for West of England will be the turn out. Last time Bristol had the highest turnout but it also had council elections on the same day. This time there are no other elections so I'm guessing Bristol will have the lowest turnout.
For the Greens to win they will need to rack up the votes in Bristol, to offset weakness in S Gloucs and Banes.
I am trying to work out what is the biggest gap between serving as Vice President and becoming President.
First thoughts is eight years for Nixon.
I think it is Nixon. He's the outlier.
Dan Quayle tried after seven years, in the 2000 Republican primaries, but didn't get far and of course George W won.
It is worth remembering that until the 1950s and Nixon Vice Presidents tended to be rather low key and unimportant unless they succeeded due to a death. It was perfectly normal for a cabinet minister or a charismatic governor to have a much higher profile and to get the nomination at conference while if you mentioned the VP people looked blank and said 'who?'
With the nuclear age and fairly radical reorganisations of the government under first Roosevelt and then Eisenhower that changed, and since then the Vice President has been much more than just a cipher. In the nineteenth century from the change in the electoral system until 1940 only two current or former Vice Presidents were even party nominees (excluding those who had become President in advance) - since 1952 that figure is seven.
And of the former VPs who were elected or became President since WW2 eg Truman, LBJ, Ford and HW Bush they were probably above average. Having some experience of the Oval Office and executive branch no doubt helped. Even Biden was not a complete disaster.
Nixon too Watergate apart compared to Trump he was a colossus and brought China in from the cold of course rather than going to a trade war with it and was probably the most intelligent President in that timeframe with the most in depth knowledge of policy. Only Bill Clinton really challenged him on that
George Bush Snr was very experienced by the time he became President and had a formidable grasp of policy issues. In addition to being VP for 8 years, he'd been ambassador to the United Nations, chairman of the Republican National Committee and director of the CIA. There wouldn't have been a noticeable uptick when Clinton succeeded him, although Clinton was an exceptional politician.
Indeed, Bush Snr was probably the most qualified President of the 20th century when he took office
I am trying to work out what is the biggest gap between serving as Vice President and becoming President.
First thoughts is eight years for Nixon.
I think it is Nixon. He's the outlier.
Dan Quayle tried after seven years, in the 2000 Republican primaries, but didn't get far and of course George W won.
It is worth remembering that until the 1950s and Nixon Vice Presidents tended to be rather low key and unimportant unless they succeeded due to a death. It was perfectly normal for a cabinet minister or a charismatic governor to have a much higher profile and to get the nomination at conference while if you mentioned the VP people looked blank and said 'who?'
With the nuclear age and fairly radical reorganisations of the government under first Roosevelt and then Eisenhower that changed, and since then the Vice President has been much more than just a cipher. In the nineteenth century from the change in the electoral system until 1940 only two current or former Vice Presidents were even party nominees (excluding those who had become President in advance) - since 1952 that figure is seven.
And of the former VPs who were elected or became President since WW2 eg Truman, LBJ, Ford and HW Bush they were probably above average. Having some experience of the Oval Office and executive branch no doubt helped. Even Biden was not a complete disaster.
Nixon too Watergate apart compared to Trump he was a colossus and brought China in from the cold of course rather than going to a trade war with it and was probably the most intelligent President in that timeframe with the most in depth knowledge of policy. Only Bill Clinton really challenged him on that
George Bush Snr was very experienced by the time he became President and had a formidable grasp of policy issues. In addition to being VP for 8 years, he'd been ambassador to the United Nations, chairman of the Republican National Committee and director of the CIA. There wouldn't have been a noticeable uptick when Clinton succeeded him, although Clinton was an exceptional politician.
Indeed, Bush Snr was probably the most qualified President of the 20th century when he took office
Arguably, he made foreign policy look so easy that his successors thought it *was* that easy. And fucked up repeatedly.
China seized Vietnam’s Sand Cay in the South China Sea, per FT. Chinese forces occupied the uninhabited island, which had Vietnamese posts and a fishing station, raising the PRC flag.
Per twitter:
"This is not Sand Cay, an island occupied by Vietnam. This is Sandy Cay, reefs with small and perhaps artificial sand mounds in the Thitu reefs (photo is on the central reef), west of Thitu island occupied by Philippines and second largest natural island of the Spratleys."
ARIA, so if it goes wrong, we can spend the last days before we freeze to death blaming Dom Cummings.
I'm picturing General Zod from Superman - trapped in a glass pane and spinning through space. But with Liz Truss instead. Slightly confused. Trying to remember if this was normal or if she's - once again - been thwarted by the pesky blob.
Britain's Kat Matthews just won the women's 2025 Texas Ironman, and set a new women's Ironman (*) record time. Taking the record form another Brit, Lucy Charles Barclay by ten minutes.
That is a 2.8km swim, a 180km bike, and a 42.2km run (a marathon), in 8 hours 10 minutes.
(*) The Ironman brand, not the unbranded races over the same distance. I *hate* the branding nonsense.
And just one final demonstration that it isn't that straightforward, having a cute dog attracts women, whereas my Cobra attracts men. The cute dog doesn't exude power and success whereas the Cobra does.
Is this a real Cobra, or one of those ones with wheels?
If wheels, is it a real one with wheels or a pretend one with wheels?
No it isn't a real one. A real one once went for $13.75 million, and typically for a 427 (my one) you would have to pay over $2 million. So as you might guess it is a pretend one and a lot lot lot cheaper. Makes a fabulous noise though and gets a huge amount of attention. It is huge fun, with the added bonus that @Dura_Ace will be so annoyed I bought one. He is right though it is a death trap with all the power going to the back wheel. It is just for posing.
But just to repeat the point in contradiction to @leon and his evolutionary theories of macho man, well the cute dog attracts loads of women (it is unreal) and the car attracts a huge crowd (but not a single woman) so the sentimental approach wins over the macho side as far as potential mates are concerned hands down. Whereas the men drool over the car their partners probably think I am a plonker.
You should have said the greatest Canadian victory since the battle of the Plains of Abraham.
During my transatlantic crossing last autumn, I read a great account of that campaign. The author’s thesis was that the British campaign in Canada, even though involving small numbers of troops in a relative backwater of the time, was actually one of the most consequential in history, making possible the formation of the United States.
He argued that so long as the British colonies were under threat from a French rival to the north, the colonial settlers had to stay loyal to the crown for protection, thus only after the removal of the French from Canada were they able to even think of revolution against their own monarchy.
Further, the military experience the settlers who joined that campaign gained was later critical to organising the continental army. And, once it has lost its own colonies on the American continent, France was free to embrace and support the American revolution; French support being the critical factor in its success (as anyone who has learned their history other than inside the US will know).
And of course the impoverishment of the French crown, due to its financial and military support for American independence against the British, led quite directly to the French Revolution and then Napoleon
So, yes, really quite pivotal. To say the least
The Seven Years War determined the dominant colonial power, which reduced the relative wealth of France a good decade before 1776. It also forced large continuing military expenditures on both parties.
China seized Vietnam’s Sand Cay in the South China Sea, per FT. Chinese forces occupied the uninhabited island, which had Vietnamese posts and a fishing station, raising the PRC flag.
Per twitter:
"This is not Sand Cay, an island occupied by Vietnam. This is Sandy Cay, reefs with small and perhaps artificial sand mounds in the Thitu reefs (photo is on the central reef), west of Thitu island occupied by Philippines and second largest natural island of the Spratleys."
Only two days to go till the Canadian election so something for the PB election junkies to enjoy , myself included .
I do hope that with increased media attention more people will visit Canada . It’s a wonderful country and if people do get out there the train journey from Calgary across the Rockies to Vancouver is out of this world .
We should spare a thought for the NDP who could have brought down the government last year and forced an election in which the Libs would have been trounced , the CPC would have gained a majority and the NDP would have not been suffering these huge losses .
Singh the NDP leader said he couldn’t bear to see the CPC win , fearful that programmes related to health might have been lost and I think to a degree Canada would have undergone a Trumpification of sorts , Poilievre at the time mimicking his style and bombastic rhetoric.
He’s softened his tone in the last few weeks as that was causing issues with some voters .
It’s somewhat ironic that the CPC are likely to gain a vote share that in previous elections would have been good enough to win .
This time though most NDP voters have coalesced around the Libs , the BQ have also lost support .
Some people here have said the judge arrested in the US had broken the law. This Twitter thread breaks down the indictment and shows that’s bollocks: https://x.com/annjacobsmke/status/1915857745170796595 The judge sent the man in question to where the agents were. They then just fucked up.
Guess what? MAGA lie, all the time, about everything.
And just one final demonstration that it isn't that straightforward, having a cute dog attracts women, whereas my Cobra attracts men. The cute dog doesn't exude power and success whereas the Cobra does.
Is this a real Cobra, or one of those ones with wheels?
If wheels, is it a real one with wheels or a pretend one with wheels?
No it isn't a real one. A real one once went for $13.75 million, and typically for a 427 (my one) you would have to pay over $2 million. So as you might guess it is a pretend one and a lot lot lot cheaper. Makes a fabulous noise though and gets a huge amount of attention. It is huge fun, with the added bonus that @Dura_Ace will be so annoyed I bought one. He is right though it is a death trap with all the power going to the back wheel. It is just for posing.
But just to repeat the point in contradiction to @leon and his evolutionary theories of macho man, well the cute dog attracts loads of women (it is unreal) and the car attracts a huge crowd (but not a single woman) so the sentimental approach wins over the macho side as far as potential mates are concerned hands down. Whereas the men drool over the car their partners probably think I am a plonker.
I recall a series of reviews (something like 20 articles), in one of the better car magazine, of originals vs the reproductions. Done by professional race drivers, IIRC. The one for the Lancia Stratos vs a kit car was hilarious.
Some people here have said the judge arrested in the US had broken the law. This Twitter thread breaks down the indictment and shows that’s bollocks: https://x.com/annjacobsmke/status/1915857745170796595 The judge sent the man in question to where the agents were. They then just fucked up.
Guess what? MAGA lie, all the time, about everything.
You also need to be careful of random people on tw@tter. They purposely missed out the core claim against the judge paragraph 29 onwards of the indictment headed,
"DUGAN escorts Flores-Ruiz through a “jury door” to avoid his arrest"
which is the judge led the individual to a private area of the court and they escaped, which is what was reported by the media.
Now we will have to wait if all the statements hold up to further investigation.
And just one final demonstration that it isn't that straightforward, having a cute dog attracts women, whereas my Cobra attracts men. The cute dog doesn't exude power and success whereas the Cobra does.
Is this a real Cobra, or one of those ones with wheels?
If wheels, is it a real one with wheels or a pretend one with wheels?
No it isn't a real one. A real one once went for $13.75 million, and typically for a 427 (my one) you would have to pay over $2 million. So as you might guess it is a pretend one and a lot lot lot cheaper. Makes a fabulous noise though and gets a huge amount of attention. It is huge fun, with the added bonus that @Dura_Ace will be so annoyed I bought one. He is right though it is a death trap with all the power going to the back wheel. It is just for posing.
But just to repeat the point in contradiction to @leon and his evolutionary theories of macho man, well the cute dog attracts loads of women (it is unreal) and the car attracts a huge crowd (but not a single woman) so the sentimental approach wins over the macho side as far as potential mates are concerned hands down. Whereas the men drool over the car their partners probably think I am a plonker.
I recall a series of reviews (something like 20 articles), in one of the better car magazine, of originals vs the reproductions. Done by professional race drivers, IIRC. The one for the Lancia Stratos vs a kit car was hilarious.
What was funny about it? I'm told an original is much harder to drive and not as much fun, although it isn't an easy drive anyway with large wheels and no power steering, a very stiff suspension and being very low. Motorways aren't fun and you have to keep away from sleeping policemen.
I was interested in a replica GT40. Originals of them are even more expensive so again it would have been a replica, but they are completely impractical to drive. Impossible to reverse into anywhere and you need a metre each side to open the doors. Still you could get them under the garage door without opening it
Some people here have said the judge arrested in the US had broken the law. This Twitter thread breaks down the indictment and shows that’s bollocks: https://x.com/annjacobsmke/status/1915857745170796595 The judge sent the man in question to where the agents were. They then just fucked up.
Guess what? MAGA lie, all the time, about everything.
The comments under the piece then say that Ann Jacobs shouldn't be allowed to supervise elections, given that is her attitude.
And just one final demonstration that it isn't that straightforward, having a cute dog attracts women, whereas my Cobra attracts men. The cute dog doesn't exude power and success whereas the Cobra does.
Is this a real Cobra, or one of those ones with wheels?
If wheels, is it a real one with wheels or a pretend one with wheels?
No it isn't a real one. A real one once went for $13.75 million, and typically for a 427 (my one) you would have to pay over $2 million. So as you might guess it is a pretend one and a lot lot lot cheaper. Makes a fabulous noise though and gets a huge amount of attention. It is huge fun, with the added bonus that @Dura_Ace will be so annoyed I bought one. He is right though it is a death trap with all the power going to the back wheel. It is just for posing.
But just to repeat the point in contradiction to @leon and his evolutionary theories of macho man, well the cute dog attracts loads of women (it is unreal) and the car attracts a huge crowd (but not a single woman) so the sentimental approach wins over the macho side as far as potential mates are concerned hands down. Whereas the men drool over the car their partners probably think I am a plonker.
I recall a series of reviews (something like 20 articles), in one of the better car magazine, of originals vs the reproductions. Done by professional race drivers, IIRC. The one for the Lancia Stratos vs a kit car was hilarious.
Some people here have said the judge arrested in the US had broken the law. This Twitter thread breaks down the indictment and shows that’s bollocks: https://x.com/annjacobsmke/status/1915857745170796595 The judge sent the man in question to where the agents were. They then just fucked up.
Guess what? MAGA lie, all the time, about everything.
You also need to be careful of random people on tw@tter. They purposely missed out the core claim against the judge paragraph 29 onwards of the indictment headed,
"DUGAN escorts Flores-Ruiz through a “jury door” to avoid his arrest"
which is the judge led the individual to a private area of the court and they escaped, which is what was reported by the media.
Now we will have to wait if all the statements hold up to further investigation.
As the Twitter thread explains (it does not miss it out), the jury door led to ***where the agents were waiting***. The indictment tries to dress this up as criminal, claiming the judge was trying to avoid Flores-Ruiz’s arrest, but such a claim doesn’t make sense. I quote:
“¶32 a discussion about Judge Dugan "forcefully" and "stern[ly] instructing the man in question to go out the jury door. BUT! It is not only a door to the jury room. It is *also* an exit to the *public* hallway. You know, the hallway where law enforcement is waiting.”
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FPV of the Iranian explosion.
https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1916131971475935642
He argued that so long as the British colonies were under threat from a French rival to the north, the colonial settlers had to stay loyal to the crown for protection, thus only after the removal of the French from Canada were they able to even think of revolution against their own monarchy.
Further, the military experience the settlers who joined that campaign gained was later critical to organising the continental army. And, once it has lost its own colonies on the American continent, France was free to embrace and support the American revolution; French support being the critical factor in its success (as anyone who has learned their history other than inside the US will know).
On most Canadian polls the Conservatives are up at least 5% on the last GE in 2021 remember, just the Liberals are up about 10% so even more. It is the NDP vote which has collapsed to the Liberals not the Conservative vote and the Conservatives have squeezed some of the PPC and BQ vote to compensate.
Given the 2.5% swing to the Liberals nationally from the Conservatives, the 15% majority Poilievre had in 2021 should ensure he still holds his seat comfortably even if his majority is down
Just putting it out there.
But I expect yours to be the winner on Monday evening/Tuesday morning.
First thoughts is eight years for Nixon.
I got my tip in a full 7 minutes before his thread went up.
And, no, we don't live together.
By the way, 91 candidates? That would be like taking a roll of toilet paper into the polling booth.
Dan Quayle tried after seven years, in the 2000 Republican primaries, but didn't get far and of course George W won.
So, yes, really quite pivotal. To say the least
Edit: Just looked at Wiki, and the answer is no!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_deposit#Canada
"In Canada, there is no longer a deposit requirement for federal elections. On 25 October 2017, the judge presiding over Szuchewycz v. Canada found that the deposit requirement infringed Section 3 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and could not be justified under Section 1 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. The successful Charter challenge of the deposit requirement was undertaken by self-represented Edmontonian Kieran Szuchewycz who had failed to meet the candidacy requirements for the 2015 Canadian federal election when attempting to run against the former prime minister Stephen Harper in the Calgary electoral district of Calgary Heritage.
Before the Szuchewycz v. Canada ruling, a candidate for Member of Parliament needed to place a $1,000 deposit."
Go on.
With the nuclear age and fairly radical reorganisations of the government under first Roosevelt and then Eisenhower that changed, and since then the Vice President has been much more than just a cipher. In the nineteenth century from the change in the electoral system until 1940 only two current or former Vice Presidents were even party nominees (excluding those who had become President in advance) - since 1952 that figure is seven.
I've been most of the last 26 years. He's genuinely very good at enthusing an audience.
It's not made up news that more resources are being sent to defend his seat. That wouldn't be the case if it was safe. The Globe and Mail says it looked a dead heat:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/11149672/poilievre-rallies-carleton-reports-could-lose-seat/amp/
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-federal-election-2025-pierre-poilievre-seat-ottawa-carleton-riding/
Oh, not that Pope?
Nixon too Watergate apart compared to Trump he was a colossus and brought China in from the cold of course rather than going to a trade war with it and was probably the most intelligent President in that timeframe with the most in depth knowledge of policy. Only Bill Clinton really challenged him on that
Then went browsing the other topical political bets on offer. The Greens in west of England mayoral look value. The odds on the LibDems in Cambs don’t look value - but are a lot better in terms of prospects than the recent polling there suggests. Sadly, Jenkyns at 1/3 in Lincs is pretty good value given recent polling, with just a few days to collect. I put a £1 on the LibDems in Hull, as that would be a cracking, and well deserved, result for their energetic young team. Reform to win in Doncaster at 4/7 is probably also value, but I will wait until me and the dog are staying there the night before polling day next week. I’m sure pre-election night in Doncaster will be one to remember.
Blair and Hague.
China seized Vietnam’s Sand Cay in the South China Sea, per FT. Chinese forces occupied the uninhabited island, which had Vietnamese posts and a fishing station, raising the PRC flag.
I must confess I'd be astonished if Poilievre lost his seat but whether he can stay on as CPC leader IF the party remains in opposition is another question.
There might be a better bet (if such markets were available) on LNP leader Peter Dutton losing his seat in Australia. He won the Dickson electorate 51.7-48.3 last time and he faces the same Labor candidate as last time.
Back to Canada and Mainstreet's rolling poll has a 5-point Liberal lead but the Nanos daily rolling poll has reduced the Liberal lead to just three points and to only five in the critical province of Ontario. CPC gains in Ontario might yet prevent Carney forming a majority Government but it could also be an outlier poll. We'll know more in two or three days.
I agree Jenkyns looks good at 1/3. I haven't researched much else.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14638689/Experiments-dim-SUN-curb-global-warming.html
Dickson has been Coalition since 2001 so I suspect Dutton holds it even if he fails to beat Albanese nationally
"This is not Sand Cay, an island occupied by Vietnam. This is Sandy Cay, reefs with small and perhaps artificial sand mounds in the Thitu reefs (photo is on the central reef), west of Thitu island occupied by Philippines and second largest natural island of the Spratleys."
For the Greens to win they will need to rack up the votes in Bristol, to offset weakness in S Gloucs and Banes.
In addition to being VP for 8 years, he'd been ambassador to the United Nations, chairman of the Republican National Committee and director of the CIA. There wouldn't have been a noticeable uptick when Clinton succeeded him, although Clinton was an exceptional politician.
If they really have the zeitgeist...
https://zeihan.com/my-favorite-us-president-of-all-time-is/#transcript
That is a 2.8km swim, a 180km bike, and a 42.2km run (a marathon), in 8 hours 10 minutes.
(*) The Ironman brand, not the unbranded races over the same distance. I *hate* the branding nonsense.
@MattW fpt
Yes it has wheels!
No it isn't a real one. A real one once went for $13.75 million, and typically for a 427 (my one) you would have to pay over $2 million. So as you might guess it is a pretend one and a lot lot lot cheaper. Makes a fabulous noise though and gets a huge amount of attention. It is huge fun, with the added bonus that @Dura_Ace will be so annoyed I bought one. He is right though it is a death trap with all the power going to the back wheel. It is just for posing.
But just to repeat the point in contradiction to @leon and his evolutionary theories of macho man, well the cute dog attracts loads of women (it is unreal) and the car attracts a huge crowd (but not a single woman) so the sentimental approach wins over the macho side as far as potential mates are concerned hands down. Whereas the men drool over the car their partners probably think I am a plonker.
It also forced large continuing military expenditures on both parties.
I do hope that with increased media attention more people will visit Canada . It’s a wonderful country and if people do get out there the train journey from Calgary across the Rockies to Vancouver is out of this world .
We should spare a thought for the NDP who could have brought down the government last year and forced an election in which the Libs would have been trounced , the CPC would have gained a majority and the NDP would have not been suffering these huge losses .
Singh the NDP leader said he couldn’t bear to see the CPC win , fearful that programmes related to health might have been lost and I think to a degree Canada would have undergone a Trumpification of sorts , Poilievre at the time mimicking his style and bombastic rhetoric.
He’s softened his tone in the last few weeks as that was causing issues with some voters .
It’s somewhat ironic that the CPC are likely to gain a vote share that in previous elections would have been good enough to win .
This time though most NDP voters have coalesced around the Libs , the BQ have also lost support .
Guess what? MAGA lie, all the time, about everything.
"DUGAN escorts Flores-Ruiz through a “jury door” to avoid his arrest"
which is the judge led the individual to a private area of the court and they escaped, which is what was reported by the media.
Now we will have to wait if all the statements hold up to further investigation.
I was interested in a replica GT40. Originals of them are even more expensive so again it would have been a replica, but they are completely impractical to drive. Impossible to reverse into anywhere and you need a metre each side to open the doors. Still you could get them under the garage door without opening it
“¶32 a discussion about Judge Dugan "forcefully" and "stern[ly] instructing the man in question to go out the jury door. BUT! It is not only a door to the jury room. It is *also* an exit to the *public* hallway. You know, the hallway where law enforcement is waiting.”
https://x.com/TheFl0orIsLaVa/status/1916142932089782359
Silent? Fuck off. Farage is on the BBC so much they may as well give him the Match of the Day slot and have done with it.
It looks like they probably shake hands to me, just hidden by that bloke in front of the camera
EDIT Actually I don’t think they did, looking again. Although later on they did
https://x.com/cathyshaslam/status/1916164262612931002
Jack Surfleet
@jacksurfleet
THE OBSERVER: The Pope's last act
#TomorrowsPapersToday
https://x.com/jacksurfleet/status/1916222010369171544
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Majority
Slight awkwardness and typical male shoulder patting.
Literally nothing to see here.