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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,137
    edited April 26
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains

    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    I think you're way off-base.

    After all, you're not someone with sexual or marital success, are you? And how much were you around your kids when they were kids? Yet you like to show off your 'status' and 'success' on here every effing day...
    I don’t want to get into crude and vulgar boasting games about sex, I find them distasteful in the extreme, indicative of sociopathy - and likely to drive the few remaining female PBers off the site. And we need them. So I will restrict myself to observing that I have fucked about 350-400 women
    Hardly any of them more than once. QED. A tiny dick will only get you so far.

    Perpetually and persistently waving it about in forums like this will not get you much further.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,402
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains
    hat
    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    So Boris and Elon Musk and Trump are ideal mates for women then, no wonder they have had so many kids and different wives!

    Of course on the day of the Pope's burial the Roman Catholic church is very clear that each man regardless of status or income or wealth or power should marry a woman if they can and avoid contraception and abortion to have plenty of children and stay married to that same woman for life. The only exceptions being those called to be Roman Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals and popes
    Why is that 'very clear' ?
    As it is based on their interpretation of the teachings of Jesus and Paul
    As written down hundreds of years after the event and selectively translated and edited over centuries since. It would be idiotic to give such ancient ramblings any modern day credence.
    Well as you are not Catholic why should they give a toss what you think about it?
    Were it not for the Catholic Church being the institution that has wreaked the most death, destruction, misery, ignorance, disease, abuse, and stunted lives upon counted millions of humanity from its earliest days right through to our current time, I wouldn’t care at all.
    What a load of crap, nationalism, civil wars, Communism, Nazism, militant Islam, have done far worse.

    Most of our oldest universities, cathedrals and churches, many of our schools, hospitals, charities, foodbanks, homeless shelters, orphanages etc were also founded by the RC church and many of our most famous artists funded by them.

    Of course militant atheist woke leftists like you are one of the biggest threats to western civilisation in human history so you are hardly one to talk!
    Estimates for deaths from the Crusades alone range from 1 to 9 million, or 2 to 6 million. Given the smaller world population at the time, proportionally it is equivalent to Nazism. And that's just one of the marks in Christianity's bloody ledger.

    I thoroughly understand that Christianity - indeed all major religions - can be a great support and comfort for their followers. That's why I believe religion can be a major force for good. But if admitting that religion - virtually all religions - have made massive, bloody mistakes in the past makes me a 'militant woke atheist leftist' in your eyes, then so be it.

    But I'd also suggest that virtually all religions have made massive, bloody mistakes in the past, and ignoring that is just sowing the seeds for them to make those mistakes again.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,402
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains

    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    I think you're way off-base.

    After all, you're not someone with sexual or marital success, are you? And how much were you around your kids when they were kids? Yet you like to show off your 'status' and 'success' on here every effing day...
    I don’t want to get into crude and vulgar boasting games about sex, I find them distasteful in the extreme, indicative of sociopathy - and likely to drive the few remaining female PBers off the site. And we need them. So I will restrict myself to observing that I have fucked about 350-400 women
    How long were you married for, and how much did you look after your kids when they were growing up? Because I'd strongly argue that what many women with kids want, as well as 'status' and 'success', are three other s's: 'stability', 'support' and, perhaps most importantly, 'sleep'. ;)
  • College said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    TimS said:

    DavidL said:

    Excellent piece highlighting our best prospect of getting out of this low to no growth hell we have been in since 2008. We need innovation and we then need to make sure that UK plc funds it and gains the benefits of it.

    One of our best prospects, but I don’t think it’s enough. By “it” I mean encouraging more innovative businesses to scale up here. ARM took decades to build and you’d need dozens of them to scratch the surface.

    What we really need now is something even more traditionally British. A good old consumer boom. We used to be masters at spending. We even got good at spending on the never never. Then in 2008 we lost the ability, and we started saving and credit institutions stopped lending. Not because British consumers were a huge risk, but because of some very silly American derivative instruments that nobody understood. Casino’s credit rating story is a small example of the role financial services played in this.

    But we never stopped saving. The Eurozone crisis came along, we tightened our belts. Brexit came along, we stopped spending again and saved more. Then Covid, so we stopped spending and saved. Then Ukraine.

    We need a consumer splurge, and a construction boom, and a big expansion of credit. We need to bring back boom
    and bust.
    Do you know what the UK's trade balance has been since 2008 ?

    A deficit of over £400bn during a period which you think we lost the ability to spend money we didn't have.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/timeseries/ikbj/mret
    UK private net debt since 2009 has fallen consistently, just as in Japan. And as a result, government borrowing has been rising. We really don’t want to become like Japan.

    https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/private-debt-to-gdp

    Trade deficits are not the same as fiscal deficits. As Trump is clumsily but very dramatically demonstrating this month.
    That private sector debt has fallen is a good thing, that government sector debt has risen is a bad thing.

    Having consumption under control and investing your surplus income is a good thing at the individual level, at the business level and at the government level.

    What the country does not need is to increase consumption on more imported tat, or more foreign holidays, at the expense of that future investment.
    I disagree. I know it seems counterintuitive- we’re always told that we don’t save and invest enough, and that being careful is important, but the economic history of us and our peers doesn’t back up the intuition. And we’re not investing, we’re saving. In low risk assets.

    Our long term growth rate has fallen in lock step with our propensity to spend. Same as Japan, France, Italy etc. households have more wealth, more savings, but they’re not spending so they’re bankrupting the government.

    When countries go through consumer booms most of the incremental spending is not on “foreign tat” or holidays but on everything including home improvements, extensions, new cars, eating out. And even on imported goods loads of the margin - often half or more - remains with distributors and retailers and installers here in the UK. Even more so if we get some dumping from countries locked out of the US market - they’ll be exporting at a loss which is great news for our retailers.

    And it’s not just households. Private debt includes business. UK businesses are cautious asset sweaters just like our households. Less business spending and investment than almost all peer countries.
    Ooh. I wonder if that distinction between saving and investing is the key to the matter.

    If so, what's the way out? It feels like it may be one of those problems where the sensible thing individually turns out foolish on a wider scale, but that may just be my prejudices speaking.
    Most so-called investment these days is in housing (rent or mortgage) which generates almost no additional economic activity.
    Housing theory of everything strikes again.

    It'd be best for the country if we could get house prices back down to 2-3x income and then keep it stable there - with the BoE having responsibility for ensuring stability of house price to income ratios.

    Investments should be on productivity. And investments in housing should be improving the quality of homes, or building new ones, not merely having more of them.

    Median UK income is £37,430, so median UK house prices should be in the range of £74,860 - £112,290
    Not going to happen unless fewer women work full time, especially after having children so we go back to one earner couples to get mortgages. Also slashed immigration so less demand as well as more new affordable homes being built and the average mortgage bank and building societies give is 4 or 4.5 x salary not 2 to 3 times so even if you saw all the above house prices would only need to be in the range of £149k to £168k (which would be more than half the current average UK house price of £285k anyway)
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/bulletins/housepriceindex/december2023
    There is absolutely no reason why prices need to be the maximum people can borrow and it absolutely should be (and was in the past) possible to pay for a house on a single income.

    The second income ought to be able to go on luxuries, holidays, improve quality of life, or choosing to not have one - not just be pissed away on increased costs.

    If supply exceeds demand then prices come down. Competition keeps prices down, the problem is a lack of competition and a restricted market drives prices up currently.
    In reality they will be, as house prices will equate to the maximum amount the average couple can get from a mortgage.

    It was possible to pay for a house on a single income in the past as most women didn't work fulltime, certainly after becoming mothers, so only the salaried father received a mortgage on his income.

    You can't force women now working full time to only use their second salaries to pay for holidays and meals out and childcare etc not mortgages for a house either.

    Most couples also own a property outright or with a mortgage anyway, so supply already partly equates to demand, house prices are just as much influenced by more 2 full time earner couples than 50 years ago
    Supply is extremely tightly restricted by means of planning rules.
    Total and utter bollocks.

    The developer community work to the ‘absorption rate’. If you can’t sell it at a 17% profit you don’t build it.

    There are 1.4m houses unbuilt with planning permission sitting there waiting to be turned into
    profit by a rising tide.

    And then there’s hundreds of hectares of land owned and waiting to be brought into the system.

    Until we tax that wealth lurking unbuilt, forcing the builders to build, we will never see housing become affordable.

    Blaming the planning system is ‘useful idiot’ at the kindest. I’m sorry for being so blunt but I keep seeing this canard on here. It’s lazy and it’s wrong.
    Just checked your bio. You are newish. So definitely a bit strong.

    I’m being triggered by stuff I cannot control. Labour are about to shit all over our environment in pursuit of development without responsibility in their Planning and Infrastructure Bill.

    And it’s fucked me off big time. They must know it’s playing to the crowd rather than tackling the actual problem. And our environment gets to pay the price, irreplaceable loss, over an again, probably for decades.

    I’m not a happy bunny.
    You didn’t deserve my ire.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,523
    edited April 26

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains
    hat
    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    So Boris and Elon Musk and Trump are ideal mates for women then, no wonder they have had so many kids and different wives!

    Of course on the day of the Pope's burial the Roman Catholic church is very clear that each man regardless of status or income or wealth or power should marry a woman if they can and avoid contraception and abortion to have plenty of children and stay married to that same woman for life. The only exceptions being those called to be Roman Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals and popes
    Why is that 'very clear' ?
    As it is based on their interpretation of the teachings of Jesus and Paul
    As written down hundreds of years after the event and selectively translated and edited over centuries since. It would be idiotic to give such ancient ramblings any modern day credence.
    Well as you are not Catholic why should they give a toss what you think about it?
    Were it not for the Catholic Church being the institution that has wreaked the most death, destruction, misery, ignorance, disease, abuse, and stunted lives upon counted millions of humanity from its earliest days right through to our current time, I wouldn’t care at all.
    What a load of crap, nationalism, civil wars, Communism, Nazism, militant Islam, have done far worse.

    Most of our oldest universities, cathedrals and churches, many of our schools, hospitals, charities, foodbanks, homeless shelters, orphanages etc were also founded by the RC church and many of our most famous artists funded by them.

    Of course militant atheist woke leftists like you are one of the biggest threats to western civilisation in human history so you are hardly one to talk!
    Estimates for deaths from the Crusades alone range from 1 to 9 million, or 2 to 6 million. Given the smaller world population at the time, proportionally it is equivalent to Nazism. And that's just one of the marks in Christianity's bloody ledger.

    I thoroughly understand that Christianity - indeed all major religions - can be a great support and comfort for their followers. That's why I believe religion can be a major force for good. But if admitting that religion - virtually all religions - have made massive, bloody mistakes in the past makes me a 'militant woke atheist leftist' in your eyes, then so be it.

    But I'd also suggest that virtually all religions have made massive, bloody mistakes in the past, and ignoring that is just sowing the seeds for them to make those mistakes again.
    The Crusades of course, did not occur in a vacuum. Some of them were a response to the invasion of the Eastern Roman Empire, and then the Balkans, by the Turks, of Spain and Southern France, by Arabs and Berbers, and of raids across the Mediterranean, from the Middle East and North Africa.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,138
    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains
    hat
    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    So Boris and Elon Musk and Trump are ideal mates for women then, no wonder they have had so many kids and different wives!

    Of course on the day of the Pope's burial the Roman Catholic church is very clear that each man regardless of status or income or wealth or power should marry a woman if they can and avoid contraception and abortion to have plenty of children and stay married to that same woman for life. The only exceptions being those called to be Roman Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals and popes
    Why is that 'very clear' ?
    As it is based on their interpretation of the teachings of Jesus and Paul
    As written down hundreds of years after the event and selectively translated and edited over centuries since. It would be idiotic to give such ancient ramblings any modern day credence.
    Well as you are not Catholic why should they give a toss what you think about it?
    Were it not for the Catholic Church being the institution that has wreaked the most death, destruction, misery, ignorance, disease, abuse, and stunted lives upon counted millions of humanity from its earliest days right through to our current time, I wouldn’t care at all.
    What a load of crap, nationalism, civil wars, Communism, Nazism, militant Islam, have done far worse.

    Most of our oldest universities, cathedrals and churches, many of our schools, hospitals, charities, foodbanks, homeless shelters, orphanages etc were also founded by the RC church and many of our most famous artists funded by them.

    Of course militant atheist woke leftists like you are one of the biggest threats to western civilisation in human history so you are hardly one to talk!
    That church instigated and sanctified massive wars of conquest and violence across Europe and the Middle East, leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands, cloaked in religious language.

    That church established judicial systems to root out heresy, which led to torture, executions, and widespread fear. Inquisitions (especially the Spanish Inquisition) are seen as prime examples of religious authority suppressing dissent with brutality.

    That church deliberately suppressed scientific inquiry and intellectual freedom for centuries. Galileo’s persecution is often held up as symbolic of a broader hostility toward scientific advancement.

    During the European colonisation of the Americas, Africa, and Asia, Catholic missionaries often played a role in forced conversions, the destruction of indigenous cultures, and complicity in colonial violence. The church sometimes justified or turned a blind eye to atrocities committed by European powers.

    In modern times, the Catholic church has faced enormous scandal over systemic sexual abuse of minors by clergy — and the institutional cover-up of these crimes over decades, even centuries in some areas.

    At various points (e.g., Franco's Spain, Mussolini's Italy), that church has supported or collaborated with authoritarian regimes that committed violence and repression. This shows a consistent prioritisation of institutional power over human dignity.

    That church has historically opposed advances in medicine and human rights — from resisting vaccinations to opposing birth control and abortion rights — which has led to suffering, disease, and preventable deaths.

    Because the Catholic church has been one of the oldest, richest, and most powerful institutions in human history — stretching across continents and centuries — its influence has had extraordinarily wide consequences. And when it erred, it erred on a massive scale, leading to misery for countless millions.
    Most of the wars of conquest were actually invasions of England or France or amongst princely states for power and territory which would have happened anyway without the church. Yes it backed the crusades but then Moorish Muslims and the Ottomans also invaded Europe.

    As Ydeothur correctly pointed out recently in the Middle Ages most welfare, charity, preservation of ancient texts and intellectual study and writing came from the Church. Galileo had the Jesuits amongst his strongest early supporters too despite the later heresy trials.

    Yes there was some abuse of minors but then that is not exclusive to the RC church, it has also taken place in youth football clubs, schools, the scouts, Hollywood, BBC stars, 1980s pop singers etc. The RC church also provided schools and orphanages and soup kitchens which raised and fed and educated children who would otherwise often have been destitute.

    Stalin and Mao of course repressed the church and the greater influence of the Catholic church in say Franco's Spain avoided the Holocaust mass murders of essentially pagan nationalist Nazi Germany.

    Protection of the unborn is not a bad thing per say and nor is encouraging sexual union within committed relationships rather than casual flings. Pope Francis of course said Covid jabs were a moral obligation.



  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,865

    ...

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains

    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    I think you're way off-base.

    After all, you're not someone with sexual or marital success, are you? And how much were you around your kids when they were kids? Yet you like to show off your 'status' and 'success' on here every effing day...
    I don’t want to get into crude and vulgar boasting games about sex, I find them distasteful in the extreme, indicative of sociopathy - and likely to drive the few remaining female PBers off the site. And we need them. So I will restrict myself to observing that I have fucked about 350-400 women
    Hookers don't count as notches on the bedpost.
    My recently deceased friend **** - a man very much after my own heart (hence, perhaps his untimely demise: RIP) - made a pontifical judgment on this theological point. After much debate, he decided that you are allowed to count one hooker, but she must stand for them all. Very much like the one unknown soldier under the Cenotaph, representing the thousands lost in the mud. So 100, 200, 400 hookers - whatever the total, you only get one notch

    If we are to apply Paul’s Doctrine to my own score, then I have had sex with about 101 women

    However as I said I despise this kind of vulgar boasting, it is crude, misogynistic and juvenile, so I am not going to mention again that even under this rule I am probably in three figures. A ton at the Oval, as it were


  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,693
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains
    hat
    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    So Boris and Elon Musk and Trump are ideal mates for women then, no wonder they have had so many kids and different wives!

    Of course on the day of the Pope's burial the Roman Catholic church is very clear that each man regardless of status or income or wealth or power should marry a woman if they can and avoid contraception and abortion to have plenty of children and stay married to that same woman for life. The only exceptions being those called to be Roman Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals and popes
    Why is that 'very clear' ?
    As it is based on their interpretation of the teachings of Jesus and Paul
    As written down hundreds of years after the event and selectively translated and edited over centuries since. It would be idiotic to give such ancient ramblings any modern day credence.
    Well as you are not Catholic why should they give a toss what you think about it?
    Were it not for the Catholic Church being the institution that has wreaked the most death, destruction, misery, ignorance, disease, abuse, and stunted lives upon counted millions of humanity from its earliest days right through to our current time, I wouldn’t care at all.
    What a load of crap, nationalism, civil wars, Communism, Nazism, militant Islam, have done far worse.

    Most of our oldest universities, cathedrals and churches, many of our schools, hospitals, charities, foodbanks, homeless shelters, orphanages etc were also founded by the RC church and many of our most famous artists funded by them.

    Of course militant atheist woke leftists like you are one of the biggest threats to western civilisation in human history so you are hardly one to talk!
    Aren't you supposed to be a Protestant, NOT a Catholic?
  • theakestheakes Posts: 960
    Major development in Rome with the face to face meeting of Trump and Welensky. Trump's tweet indicates he has at last seen the light that he is being used and conned by Moscow. Away from Vance and other acolytes can we hope for a continuing realistic approach and an end to the bowing to Moscow.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,137
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains
    hat
    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    So Boris and Elon Musk and Trump are ideal mates for women then, no wonder they have had so many kids and different wives!

    Of course on the day of the Pope's burial the Roman Catholic church is very clear that each man regardless of status or income or wealth or power should marry a woman if they can and avoid contraception and abortion to have plenty of children and stay married to that same woman for life. The only exceptions being those called to be Roman Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals and popes
    Why is that 'very clear' ?
    As it is based on their interpretation of the teachings of Jesus and Paul
    As written down hundreds of years after the event and selectively translated and edited over centuries since. It would be idiotic to give such ancient ramblings any modern day credence.
    Well as you are not Catholic why should they give a toss what you think about it?
    Were it not for the Catholic Church being the institution that has wreaked the most death, destruction, misery, ignorance, disease, abuse, and stunted lives upon counted millions of humanity from its earliest days right through to our current time, I wouldn’t care at all.
    What a load of crap, nationalism, civil wars, Communism, Nazism, militant Islam, have done far worse.

    Most of our oldest universities, cathedrals and churches, many of our schools, hospitals, charities, foodbanks, homeless shelters, orphanages etc were also founded by the RC church and many of our most famous artists funded by them.

    Of course militant atheist woke leftists like you are one of the biggest threats to western civilisation in human history so you are hardly one to talk!
    That church instigated and sanctified massive wars of conquest and violence across Europe and the Middle East, leading to the deaths of hundreds of thousands, cloaked in religious language.

    That church established judicial systems to root out heresy, which led to torture, executions, and widespread fear. Inquisitions (especially the Spanish Inquisition) are seen as prime examples of religious authority suppressing dissent with brutality.

    That church deliberately suppressed scientific inquiry and intellectual freedom for centuries. Galileo’s persecution is often held up as symbolic of a broader hostility toward scientific advancement.

    During the European colonisation of the Americas, Africa, and Asia, Catholic missionaries often played a role in forced conversions, the destruction of indigenous cultures, and complicity in colonial violence. The church sometimes justified or turned a blind eye to atrocities committed by European powers.

    In modern times, the Catholic church has faced enormous scandal over systemic sexual abuse of minors by clergy — and the institutional cover-up of these crimes over decades, even centuries in some areas.

    At various points (e.g., Franco's Spain, Mussolini's Italy), that church has supported or collaborated with authoritarian regimes that committed violence and repression. This shows a consistent prioritisation of institutional power over human dignity.

    That church has historically opposed advances in medicine and human rights — from resisting vaccinations to opposing birth control and abortion rights — which has led to suffering, disease, and preventable deaths.

    Because the Catholic church has been one of the oldest, richest, and most powerful institutions in human history — stretching across continents and centuries — its influence has had extraordinarily wide consequences. And when it erred, it erred on a massive scale, leading to misery for countless millions.
    Most of the wars of conquest were actually invasions of England or France or amongst princely states for power and territory which would have happened anyway without the church. Yes it backed the crusades but then Moorish Muslims and the Ottomans also invaded Europe.

    As Ydeothur correctly pointed out recently in the Middle Ages most welfare, charity, preservation of ancient texts and intellectual study and writing came from the Church. Galileo had the Jesuits amongst his strongest early supporters too despite the later heresy trials.

    Yes there was some abuse of minors but then that is not exclusive to the RC church, it has also taken place in youth football clubs, schools, the scouts, Hollywood, BBC stars, 1980s pop singers etc. The RC church also provided schools and orphanages and soup kitchens which raised and fed and educated children who would otherwise often have been destitute.

    Stalin and Mao of course repressed the church and the greater influence of the Catholic church in say Franco's Spain avoided the Holocaust mass murders of essentially pagan nationalist Nazi Germany.

    Protection of the unborn is not a bad thing per say and nor is encouraging sexual union within committed relationships rather than casual flings. Pope Francis of course said Covid jabs were a moral obligation.



    You fall into selective reasoning and historical relativism, minimising the church’s agency in violence and systemic abuses by pointing to external examples, employing whataboutism rather than serious engagement. Your attempt to defend moral authority through unrelated examples (e.g., Stalin, Mao, Franco) weakens the argument further by blurring distinctions between critique and persecution.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,402
    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains
    hat
    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    So Boris and Elon Musk and Trump are ideal mates for women then, no wonder they have had so many kids and different wives!

    Of course on the day of the Pope's burial the Roman Catholic church is very clear that each man regardless of status or income or wealth or power should marry a woman if they can and avoid contraception and abortion to have plenty of children and stay married to that same woman for life. The only exceptions being those called to be Roman Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals and popes
    Why is that 'very clear' ?
    As it is based on their interpretation of the teachings of Jesus and Paul
    As written down hundreds of years after the event and selectively translated and edited over centuries since. It would be idiotic to give such ancient ramblings any modern day credence.
    Well as you are not Catholic why should they give a toss what you think about it?
    Were it not for the Catholic Church being the institution that has wreaked the most death, destruction, misery, ignorance, disease, abuse, and stunted lives upon counted millions of humanity from its earliest days right through to our current time, I wouldn’t care at all.
    What a load of crap, nationalism, civil wars, Communism, Nazism, militant Islam, have done far worse.

    Most of our oldest universities, cathedrals and churches, many of our schools, hospitals, charities, foodbanks, homeless shelters, orphanages etc were also founded by the RC church and many of our most famous artists funded by them.

    Of course militant atheist woke leftists like you are one of the biggest threats to western civilisation in human history so you are hardly one to talk!
    Estimates for deaths from the Crusades alone range from 1 to 9 million, or 2 to 6 million. Given the smaller world population at the time, proportionally it is equivalent to Nazism. And that's just one of the marks in Christianity's bloody ledger.

    I thoroughly understand that Christianity - indeed all major religions - can be a great support and comfort for their followers. That's why I believe religion can be a major force for good. But if admitting that religion - virtually all religions - have made massive, bloody mistakes in the past makes me a 'militant woke atheist leftist' in your eyes, then so be it.

    But I'd also suggest that virtually all religions have made massive, bloody mistakes in the past, and ignoring that is just sowing the seeds for them to make those mistakes again.
    The Crusades of course, did not occur in a vacuum. Some of them were a response to the invasion of the Eastern Roman Empire, and then the Balkans, by the Turks, of Spain and Southern France, by Arabs and Berbers, and of raids across the Mediterranean, from the Middle East and North Africa.
    Indeed, but the same goes for the evils done by Nazism, communism, nationalism, or 'militant Islam', in the list HYUFD stated. They are all reactions to events that are perceived to be negatives for whichever group. I'm unsure that's a valid excuse for all the death and misery caused.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,865

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains
    hat
    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    So Boris and Elon Musk and Trump are ideal mates for women then, no wonder they have had so many kids and different wives!

    Of course on the day of the Pope's burial the Roman Catholic church is very clear that each man regardless of status or income or wealth or power should marry a woman if they can and avoid contraception and abortion to have plenty of children and stay married to that same woman for life. The only exceptions being those called to be Roman Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals and popes
    Why is that 'very clear' ?
    As it is based on their interpretation of the teachings of Jesus and Paul
    As written down hundreds of years after the event and selectively translated and edited over centuries since. It would be idiotic to give such ancient ramblings any modern day credence.
    Well as you are not Catholic why should they give a toss what you think about it?
    Were it not for the Catholic Church being the institution that has wreaked the most death, destruction, misery, ignorance, disease, abuse, and stunted lives upon counted millions of humanity from its earliest days right through to our current time, I wouldn’t care at all.
    What a load of crap, nationalism, civil wars, Communism, Nazism, militant Islam, have done far worse.

    Most of our oldest universities, cathedrals and churches, many of our schools, hospitals, charities, foodbanks, homeless shelters, orphanages etc were also founded by the RC church and many of our most famous artists funded by them.

    Of course militant atheist woke leftists like you are one of the biggest threats to western civilisation in human history so you are hardly one to talk!
    Estimates for deaths from the Crusades alone range from 1 to 9 million, or 2 to 6 million. Given the smaller world population at the time, proportionally it is equivalent to Nazism. And that's just one of the marks in Christianity's bloody ledger.

    I thoroughly understand that Christianity - indeed all major religions - can be a great support and comfort for their followers. That's why I believe religion can be a major force for good. But if admitting that religion - virtually all religions - have made massive, bloody mistakes in the past makes me a 'militant woke atheist leftist' in your eyes, then so be it.

    But I'd also suggest that virtually all religions have made massive, bloody mistakes in the past, and ignoring that is just sowing the seeds for them to make those mistakes again.
    At least Christianity has evolved to the point where it can admit grave moral errors. Islam is about half a century behind, and still thinks jihad is a bloody good idea, if only they can win it, especially against the Jews
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,402
    theakes said:

    Major development in Rome with the face to face meeting of Trump and Welensky. Trump's tweet indicates he has at last seen the light that he is being used and conned by Moscow. Away from Vance and other acolytes can we hope for a continuing realistic approach and an end to the bowing to Moscow.

    A concern is that, as some have suggested, Trump listens to the last person he spoke to. So even if he currently agrees with Zelenskyy - and that's a big conditional - he will go back to the US and change his mind when he listens to 'advisers'.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,138
    edited April 26

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains
    hat
    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    So Boris and Elon Musk and Trump are ideal mates for women then, no wonder they have had so many kids and different wives!

    Of course on the day of the Pope's burial the Roman Catholic church is very clear that each man regardless of status or income or wealth or power should marry a woman if they can and avoid contraception and abortion to have plenty of children and stay married to that same woman for life. The only exceptions being those called to be Roman Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals and popes
    Why is that 'very clear' ?
    As it is based on their interpretation of the teachings of Jesus and Paul
    As written down hundreds of years after the event and selectively translated and edited over centuries since. It would be idiotic to give such ancient ramblings any modern day credence.
    Well as you are not Catholic why should they give a toss what you think about it?
    Were it not for the Catholic Church being the institution that has wreaked the most death, destruction, misery, ignorance, disease, abuse, and stunted lives upon counted millions of humanity from its earliest days right through to our current time, I wouldn’t care at all.
    What a load of crap, nationalism, civil wars, Communism, Nazism, militant Islam, have done far worse.

    Most of our oldest universities, cathedrals and churches, many of our schools, hospitals, charities, foodbanks, homeless shelters, orphanages etc were also founded by the RC church and many of our most famous artists funded by them.

    Of course militant atheist woke leftists like you are one of the biggest threats to western civilisation in human history so you are hardly one to talk!
    Estimates for deaths from the Crusades alone range from 1 to 9 million, or 2 to 6 million. Given the smaller world population at the time, proportionally it is equivalent to Nazism. And that's just one of the marks in Christianity's bloody ledger.

    I thoroughly understand that Christianity - indeed all major religions - can be a great support and comfort for their followers. That's why I believe religion can be a major force for good. But if admitting that religion - virtually all religions - have made massive, bloody mistakes in the past makes me a 'militant woke atheist leftist' in your eyes, then so be it.

    But I'd also suggest that virtually all religions have made massive, bloody mistakes in the past, and ignoring that is just sowing the seeds for them to make those mistakes again.
    More like hundreds of thousands directly from the Crusades and half of them Crusaders. That is also ignoring the Ottoman invasions of Europe up to the sieges of Constantinople and Vienna and resulting deaths and the Moorish invasions of Spain or raids of Barbary Corsairs.

    Of course woke leftists like you have no interest in our Christian heritage, our monarchy, capitalism, the traditional family and gender roles or even really white British or English culture so would happily see it all fall in favour of a secular atheist social democratic socially liberal multicultural and woke nirvana firmly back in the EU. Therefore your comments are not much of a surprise (though the reality may just be expansion of militant Islam again rather than the 'progressive' utopia you desire if hard right governments have not already been elected across Europe by then)
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,266
    Excellent header, thanks.

    I feel like we could be more ambitious if the penalty for failure wasn't so much. A few times in my life I had an idea to work for myself, but wasn't confident enough in making a success that I kept the security of a monthly paycheck. All changes to social security in the last 45 years have been designed to tie a large section of society to working for someone else as the only way to avoid poverty. That doesn't even help save money because anyone who is dependent on welfare knows that if they got a job and it only lasted six months then they might not get the benefits they had before.

    Maybe a universal basic income would help, it would allow people a chance to fail and plenty would succeed.

    Obligatory mention of Micro Men, it's on YouTube at https://youtu.be/XXBxV6-zamM at the end there's a cameo of Sophie Wilson.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,401
    Leon said:

    ...

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains

    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    I think you're way off-base.

    After all, you're not someone with sexual or marital success, are you? And how much were you around your kids when they were kids? Yet you like to show off your 'status' and 'success' on here every effing day...
    I don’t want to get into crude and vulgar boasting games about sex, I find them distasteful in the extreme, indicative of sociopathy - and likely to drive the few remaining female PBers off the site. And we need them. So I will restrict myself to observing that I have fucked about 350-400 women
    Hookers don't count as notches on the bedpost.
    My recently deceased friend **** - a man very much after my own heart (hence, perhaps his untimely demise: RIP) - made a pontifical judgment on this theological point. After much debate, he decided that you are allowed to count one hooker, but she must stand for them all. Very much like the one unknown soldier under the Cenotaph, representing the thousands lost in the mud. So 100, 200, 400 hookers - whatever the total, you only get one notch

    If we are to apply Paul’s Doctrine to my own score, then I have had sex with about 101 women

    However as I said I despise this kind of vulgar boasting, it is crude, misogynistic and juvenile, so I am not going to mention again that even under this rule I am probably in three figures. A ton at the Oval, as it were


    A pony, for me.

    No hookers.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,685
    Sean_F said:

    flanner2 said:

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains
    hat
    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    So Boris and Elon Musk and Trump are ideal mates for women then, no wonder they have had so many kids and different wives!

    Of course on the day of the Pope's burial the Roman Catholic church is very clear that each man regardless of status or income or amount of money and wealth or power should marry a woman if they can and avoid contraception and abortion to have plenty of children and stay faithfully married to that same woman for life. The only exceptions being those called to be Roman Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals and popes
    Loyalty, kindness, and decency in life also count for a very great deal, which rules out any of those three. Essentially, they've no intention of remaining faithful, and will happily trade in the wife/girlfriend of the day for a younger model.
    In the past three-quarters of a century, I've been the brunt of advice from practically every different kind of influencer in the Catholic church - from Irish grandparents who only just escaped the Famine, through every kind of nun and Jesuit, to a fully-fledged Cardinal who may be Pope in a fortnight or so.
    Not one's even hinted I "should marry a woman if they can and avoid contraception and abortion to have plenty of children".

    Where do you professional bigots get your delusions from?
    I don't see what I've written to merit that kind of response.
    Nor do I @Sean_F , perhaps he meant someone up thread?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,344
    ...
    Leon said:

    ...

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains

    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    I think you're way off-base.

    After all, you're not someone with sexual or marital success, are you? And how much were you around your kids when they were kids? Yet you like to show off your 'status' and 'success' on here every effing day...
    I don’t want to get into crude and vulgar boasting games about sex, I find them distasteful in the extreme, indicative of sociopathy - and likely to drive the few remaining female PBers off the site. And we need them. So I will restrict myself to observing that I have fucked about 350-400 women
    Hookers don't count as notches on the bedpost.
    My recently deceased friend **** - a man very much after my own heart (hence, perhaps his untimely demise: RIP) - made a pontifical judgment on this theological point. After much debate, he decided that you are allowed to count one hooker, but she must stand for them all. Very much like the one unknown soldier under the Cenotaph, representing the thousands lost in the mud. So 100, 200, 400 hookers - whatever the total, you only get one notch

    If we are to apply Paul’s Doctrine to my own score, then I have had sex with about 101 women

    However as I said I despise this kind of vulgar boasting, it is crude, misogynistic and juvenile, so I am not going to mention again that even under this rule I am probably in three figures. A ton at the Oval, as it were


    I'm not sure who is flagging you for your boastful posts but it is not me.

    By the way 300 hookers plus 101 one night stands over your 60 years gives you a strike rate of around 7 a year, which quite frankly is nothing to boast about.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,402
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains
    hat
    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    So Boris and Elon Musk and Trump are ideal mates for women then, no wonder they have had so many kids and different wives!

    Of course on the day of the Pope's burial the Roman Catholic church is very clear that each man regardless of status or income or wealth or power should marry a woman if they can and avoid contraception and abortion to have plenty of children and stay married to that same woman for life. The only exceptions being those called to be Roman Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals and popes
    Why is that 'very clear' ?
    As it is based on their interpretation of the teachings of Jesus and Paul
    As written down hundreds of years after the event and selectively translated and edited over centuries since. It would be idiotic to give such ancient ramblings any modern day credence.
    Well as you are not Catholic why should they give a toss what you think about it?
    Were it not for the Catholic Church being the institution that has wreaked the most death, destruction, misery, ignorance, disease, abuse, and stunted lives upon counted millions of humanity from its earliest days right through to our current time, I wouldn’t care at all.
    What a load of crap, nationalism, civil wars, Communism, Nazism, militant Islam, have done far worse.

    Most of our oldest universities, cathedrals and churches, many of our schools, hospitals, charities, foodbanks, homeless shelters, orphanages etc were also founded by the RC church and many of our most famous artists funded by them.

    Of course militant atheist woke leftists like you are one of the biggest threats to western civilisation in human history so you are hardly one to talk!
    Estimates for deaths from the Crusades alone range from 1 to 9 million, or 2 to 6 million. Given the smaller world population at the time, proportionally it is equivalent to Nazism. And that's just one of the marks in Christianity's bloody ledger.

    I thoroughly understand that Christianity - indeed all major religions - can be a great support and comfort for their followers. That's why I believe religion can be a major force for good. But if admitting that religion - virtually all religions - have made massive, bloody mistakes in the past makes me a 'militant woke atheist leftist' in your eyes, then so be it.

    But I'd also suggest that virtually all religions have made massive, bloody mistakes in the past, and ignoring that is just sowing the seeds for them to make those mistakes again.
    At least Christianity has evolved to the point where it can admit grave moral errors. Islam is about half a century behind, and still thinks jihad is a bloody good idea, if only they can win it, especially against the Jews
    Given his comments below, I'm unsure HYUFD has evolved to the point he can admit Christianity has made grave moral errors... ;)
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,685
    edited April 26

    ...

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains

    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    I think you're way off-base.

    After all, you're not someone with sexual or marital success, are you? And how much were you around your kids when they were kids? Yet you like to show off your 'status' and 'success' on here every effing day...
    I don’t want to get into crude and vulgar boasting games about sex, I find them distasteful in the extreme, indicative of sociopathy - and likely to drive the few remaining female PBers off the site. And we need them. So I will restrict myself to observing that I have fucked about 350-400 women
    Hookers don't count as notches on the bedpost.
    I don't see how being a more comprehensive fucker than a more normal human being is an achievement. (Assuming that the claim is 1 - True, and 2 - Above average.)
  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,266
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains

    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    I think you're way off-base.

    After all, you're not someone with sexual or marital success, are you? And how much were you around your kids when they were kids? Yet you like to show off your 'status' and 'success' on here every effing day...
    I don’t want to get into crude and vulgar boasting games about sex, I find them distasteful in the extreme, indicative of sociopathy - and likely to drive the few remaining female PBers off the site. And we need them. So I will restrict myself to observing that I have fucked about 350-400 women
    How many came back for a second time?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,401
    Um. I haven't actually had sex with a pony.

    Just to be clear.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,835

    ...

    Leon said:

    ...

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains

    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    I think you're way off-base.

    After all, you're not someone with sexual or marital success, are you? And how much were you around your kids when they were kids? Yet you like to show off your 'status' and 'success' on here every effing day...
    I don’t want to get into crude and vulgar boasting games about sex, I find them distasteful in the extreme, indicative of sociopathy - and likely to drive the few remaining female PBers off the site. And we need them. So I will restrict myself to observing that I have fucked about 350-400 women
    Hookers don't count as notches on the bedpost.
    My recently deceased friend **** - a man very much after my own heart (hence, perhaps his untimely demise: RIP) - made a pontifical judgment on this theological point. After much debate, he decided that you are allowed to count one hooker, but she must stand for them all. Very much like the one unknown soldier under the Cenotaph, representing the thousands lost in the mud. So 100, 200, 400 hookers - whatever the total, you only get one notch

    If we are to apply Paul’s Doctrine to my own score, then I have had sex with about 101 women

    However as I said I despise this kind of vulgar boasting, it is crude, misogynistic and juvenile, so I am not going to mention again that even under this rule I am probably in three figures. A ton at the Oval, as it were


    I'm not sure who is flagging you for your boastful posts but it is not me.

    By the way 300 hookers plus 101 one night stands over your 60 years gives you a strike rate of around 7 a year, which quite frankly is nothing to boast about.
    Presumably very few of those were when he was under the age of 12 however.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,138

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains
    hat
    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    So Boris and Elon Musk and Trump are ideal mates for women then, no wonder they have had so many kids and different wives!

    Of course on the day of the Pope's burial the Roman Catholic church is very clear that each man regardless of status or income or wealth or power should marry a woman if they can and avoid contraception and abortion to have plenty of children and stay married to that same woman for life. The only exceptions being those called to be Roman Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals and popes
    Why is that 'very clear' ?
    As it is based on their interpretation of the teachings of Jesus and Paul
    As written down hundreds of years after the event and selectively translated and edited over centuries since. It would be idiotic to give such ancient ramblings any modern day credence.
    Well as you are not Catholic why should they give a toss what you think about it?
    Were it not for the Catholic Church being the institution that has wreaked the most death, destruction, misery, ignorance, disease, abuse, and stunted lives upon counted millions of humanity from its earliest days right through to our current time, I wouldn’t care at all.
    What a load of crap, nationalism, civil wars, Communism, Nazism, militant Islam, have done far worse.

    Most of our oldest universities, cathedrals and churches, many of our schools, hospitals, charities, foodbanks, homeless shelters, orphanages etc were also founded by the RC church and many of our most famous artists funded by them.

    Of course militant atheist woke leftists like you are one of the biggest threats to western civilisation in human history so you are hardly one to talk!
    Aren't you supposed to be a Protestant, NOT a Catholic?
    Catholic but Reformed ie C of E
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,865

    ...

    Leon said:

    ...

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains

    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    I think you're way off-base.

    After all, you're not someone with sexual or marital success, are you? And how much were you around your kids when they were kids? Yet you like to show off your 'status' and 'success' on here every effing day...
    I don’t want to get into crude and vulgar boasting games about sex, I find them distasteful in the extreme, indicative of sociopathy - and likely to drive the few remaining female PBers off the site. And we need them. So I will restrict myself to observing that I have fucked about 350-400 women
    Hookers don't count as notches on the bedpost.
    My recently deceased friend **** - a man very much after my own heart (hence, perhaps his untimely demise: RIP) - made a pontifical judgment on this theological point. After much debate, he decided that you are allowed to count one hooker, but she must stand for them all. Very much like the one unknown soldier under the Cenotaph, representing the thousands lost in the mud. So 100, 200, 400 hookers - whatever the total, you only get one notch

    If we are to apply Paul’s Doctrine to my own score, then I have had sex with about 101 women

    However as I said I despise this kind of vulgar boasting, it is crude, misogynistic and juvenile, so I am not going to mention again that even under this rule I am probably in three figures. A ton at the Oval, as it were


    I'm not sure who is flagging you for your boastful posts but it is not me.

    By the way 300 hookers plus 101 one night stands over your 60 years gives you a strike rate of around 7 a year, which quite frankly is nothing to boast about.

    Well it’s quite impressive if you are, say, eight years old, which is the logic of your maths
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,344
    ..
    Cookie said:

    ...

    Leon said:

    ...

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains

    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    I think you're way off-base.

    After all, you're not someone with sexual or marital success, are you? And how much were you around your kids when they were kids? Yet you like to show off your 'status' and 'success' on here every effing day...
    I don’t want to get into crude and vulgar boasting games about sex, I find them distasteful in the extreme, indicative of sociopathy - and likely to drive the few remaining female PBers off the site. And we need them. So I will restrict myself to observing that I have fucked about 350-400 women
    Hookers don't count as notches on the bedpost.
    My recently deceased friend **** - a man very much after my own heart (hence, perhaps his untimely demise: RIP) - made a pontifical judgment on this theological point. After much debate, he decided that you are allowed to count one hooker, but she must stand for them all. Very much like the one unknown soldier under the Cenotaph, representing the thousands lost in the mud. So 100, 200, 400 hookers - whatever the total, you only get one notch

    If we are to apply Paul’s Doctrine to my own score, then I have had sex with about 101 women

    However as I said I despise this kind of vulgar boasting, it is crude, misogynistic and juvenile, so I am not going to mention again that even under this rule I am probably in three figures. A ton at the Oval, as it were


    I'm not sure who is flagging you for your boastful posts but it is not me.

    By the way 300 hookers plus 101 one night stands over your 60 years gives you a strike rate of around 7 a year, which quite frankly is nothing to boast about.
    Presumably very few of those were when he was under the age of 12 however.
    Fair point. Still a depressingly sad strike rate.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,685

    ...

    Leon said:

    ...

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains

    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    I think you're way off-base.

    After all, you're not someone with sexual or marital success, are you? And how much were you around your kids when they were kids? Yet you like to show off your 'status' and 'success' on here every effing day...
    I don’t want to get into crude and vulgar boasting games about sex, I find them distasteful in the extreme, indicative of sociopathy - and likely to drive the few remaining female PBers off the site. And we need them. So I will restrict myself to observing that I have fucked about 350-400 women
    Hookers don't count as notches on the bedpost.
    My recently deceased friend **** - a man very much after my own heart (hence, perhaps his untimely demise: RIP) - made a pontifical judgment on this theological point. After much debate, he decided that you are allowed to count one hooker, but she must stand for them all. Very much like the one unknown soldier under the Cenotaph, representing the thousands lost in the mud. So 100, 200, 400 hookers - whatever the total, you only get one notch

    If we are to apply Paul’s Doctrine to my own score, then I have had sex with about 101 women

    However as I said I despise this kind of vulgar boasting, it is crude, misogynistic and juvenile, so I am not going to mention again that even under this rule I am probably in three figures. A ton at the Oval, as it were


    I'm not sure who is flagging you for your boastful posts but it is not me.

    By the way 300 hookers plus 101 one night stands over your 60 years gives you a strike rate of around 7 a year, which quite frankly is nothing to boast about.
    Be a little charitable :wink: .

    I'm sure even @Leon did not start on hookers at the age of less than 4.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,865

    Um. I haven't actually had sex with a pony.

    Just to be clear.

    *Catherine the Great waves hello*
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,401
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains
    hat
    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    So Boris and Elon Musk and Trump are ideal mates for women then, no wonder they have had so many kids and different wives!

    Of course on the day of the Pope's burial the Roman Catholic church is very clear that each man regardless of status or income or wealth or power should marry a woman if they can and avoid contraception and abortion to have plenty of children and stay married to that same woman for life. The only exceptions being those called to be Roman Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals and popes
    Why is that 'very clear' ?
    As it is based on their interpretation of the teachings of Jesus and Paul
    As written down hundreds of years after the event and selectively translated and edited over centuries since. It would be idiotic to give such ancient ramblings any modern day credence.
    Well as you are not Catholic why should they give a toss what you think about it?
    Were it not for the Catholic Church being the institution that has wreaked the most death, destruction, misery, ignorance, disease, abuse, and stunted lives upon counted millions of humanity from its earliest days right through to our current time, I wouldn’t care at all.
    What a load of crap, nationalism, civil wars, Communism, Nazism, militant Islam, have done far worse.

    Most of our oldest universities, cathedrals and churches, many of our schools, hospitals, charities, foodbanks, homeless shelters, orphanages etc were also founded by the RC church and many of our most famous artists funded by them.

    Of course militant atheist woke leftists like you are one of the biggest threats to western civilisation in human history so you are hardly one to talk!
    Aren't you supposed to be a Protestant, NOT a Catholic?
    Catholic but Reformed ie C of E
    Catholic and Reformed. It's a fudge.

    Politically, Elizabeth I was like Theresa May, albeit rather more successful.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,485
    Afternoon all :)

    @MustaphaMondeo makes some interesting and useful points. It's all too easy to blame "planning" and Government for the failure to build sufficient houses but the delvelopers are far from blameless.

    Compare and contrast with the actions of Herbert Morrison as leader of the London County Council in the 1930s when he instigated a huge programme of social housing. I don't think profit was part of the motivation - it was the recognition the slums were an affront to civilised housing and needed to be cleared. Now, while I might argue the number of overcrowded houses in parts of London and the construction of often illegal dwellings in gardens represents a new form of "slum", it's not quite the same.

    We need to take the profit motive out of house building and recognise it as an economic and social necessity much as was the case before.

    The other point about development is it's not all residential - far from it. There's a need to develop land for commercial and industrial purposes and that can be of huge economic benefit to towns and communities. The growth of warehousing and logistical facilities recognises the need to store and quickly transport goods of all kinds.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,693

    Um. I haven't actually had sex with a pony.

    Just to be clear.

    Do vacuum cleaners count?

    EDIT: D'oh!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,865
    Cookie said:

    ...

    Leon said:

    ...

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains

    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    I think you're way off-base.

    After all, you're not someone with sexual or marital success, are you? And how much were you around your kids when they were kids? Yet you like to show off your 'status' and 'success' on here every effing day...
    I don’t want to get into crude and vulgar boasting games about sex, I find them distasteful in the extreme, indicative of sociopathy - and likely to drive the few remaining female PBers off the site. And we need them. So I will restrict myself to observing that I have fucked about 350-400 women
    Hookers don't count as notches on the bedpost.
    My recently deceased friend **** - a man very much after my own heart (hence, perhaps his untimely demise: RIP) - made a pontifical judgment on this theological point. After much debate, he decided that you are allowed to count one hooker, but she must stand for them all. Very much like the one unknown soldier under the Cenotaph, representing the thousands lost in the mud. So 100, 200, 400 hookers - whatever the total, you only get one notch

    If we are to apply Paul’s Doctrine to my own score, then I have had sex with about 101 women

    However as I said I despise this kind of vulgar boasting, it is crude, misogynistic and juvenile, so I am not going to mention again that even under this rule I am probably in three figures. A ton at the Oval, as it were


    I'm not sure who is flagging you for your boastful posts but it is not me.

    By the way 300 hookers plus 101 one night stands over your 60 years gives you a strike rate of around 7 a year, which quite frankly is nothing to boast about.
    Presumably very few of those were when he was under the age of 12 however.
    If you really want to dig into the maths, then I didn’t start until I was 18. Nervous late developer, Popped my cherry in my first year t uni

    I was still only on 4 or so by the end of Uni (fell in love with the first, calamitous mistake)

    I didn’t really get into the swing until my mid 20s, then I fell off the swing (drugs), then I got back on the swing in a serious way in my early 30s, when I was tupping a new girl every week. Then I had some relationships. Then I clearly got annoyed at myself for being happy and successful so i went back on the drugs, drastically reducing my run rate again, then I had a mild revival in my 40s but had babies,; then I had a major revival in my 50s when I was probably the most successful ever, then I did the dumb thing and fell in love again and this time I got actually married. I have never truly recovered

    So it’s a weird stop-go pattern. Long periods of nothing then sudden shorter periods of intensity. A bit like war?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,693

    Um. I haven't actually had sex with a pony.

    Just to be clear.

    "Stick a pony in my pocket..."
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,865
    CatMan said:

    To anyone who thinks threads that descend into slagging matches about trans rights are the worst of PB, I give you Leon's sex life as a counter-example.

    Let’s move on to yours
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,401
    CatMan said:

    To anyone who thinks threads that descend into slagging matches about trans rights are the worst of PB, I give you Leon's sex life as a counter-example.

    To be fair, that's more interesting.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,922
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains
    hat
    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    So Boris and Elon Musk and Trump are ideal mates for women then, no wonder they have had so many kids and different wives!

    Of course on the day of the Pope's burial the Roman Catholic church is very clear that each man regardless of status or income or wealth or power should marry a woman if they can and avoid contraception and abortion to have plenty of children and stay married to that same woman for life. The only exceptions being those called to be Roman Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals and popes
    Why is that 'very clear' ?
    As it is based on their interpretation of the teachings of Jesus and Paul
    As written down hundreds of years after the event and selectively translated and edited over centuries since. It would be idiotic to give such ancient ramblings any modern day credence.
    Well as you are not Catholic why should they give a toss what you think about it?
    Were it not for the Catholic Church being the institution that has wreaked the most death, destruction, misery, ignorance, disease, abuse, and stunted lives upon counted millions of humanity from its earliest days right through to our current time, I wouldn’t care at all.
    What a load of crap, nationalism, civil wars, Communism, Nazism, militant Islam, have done far worse.

    Most of our oldest universities, cathedrals and churches, many of our schools, hospitals, charities, foodbanks, homeless shelters, orphanages etc were also founded by the RC church and many of our most famous artists funded by them.

    Of course militant atheist woke leftists like you are one of the biggest threats to western civilisation in human history so you are hardly one to talk!
    Calm down dear. You're starting to channel Donald Trump!
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,402
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains
    hat
    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    So Boris and Elon Musk and Trump are ideal mates for women then, no wonder they have had so many kids and different wives!

    Of course on the day of the Pope's burial the Roman Catholic church is very clear that each man regardless of status or income or wealth or power should marry a woman if they can and avoid contraception and abortion to have plenty of children and stay married to that same woman for life. The only exceptions being those called to be Roman Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals and popes
    Why is that 'very clear' ?
    As it is based on their interpretation of the teachings of Jesus and Paul
    As written down hundreds of years after the event and selectively translated and edited over centuries since. It would be idiotic to give such ancient ramblings any modern day credence.
    Well as you are not Catholic why should they give a toss what you think about it?
    Were it not for the Catholic Church being the institution that has wreaked the most death, destruction, misery, ignorance, disease, abuse, and stunted lives upon counted millions of humanity from its earliest days right through to our current time, I wouldn’t care at all.
    What a load of crap, nationalism, civil wars, Communism, Nazism, militant Islam, have done far worse.

    Most of our oldest universities, cathedrals and churches, many of our schools, hospitals, charities, foodbanks, homeless shelters, orphanages etc were also founded by the RC church and many of our most famous artists funded by them.

    Of course militant atheist woke leftists like you are one of the biggest threats to western civilisation in human history so you are hardly one to talk!
    Estimates for deaths from the Crusades alone range from 1 to 9 million, or 2 to 6 million. Given the smaller world population at the time, proportionally it is equivalent to Nazism. And that's just one of the marks in Christianity's bloody ledger.

    I thoroughly understand that Christianity - indeed all major religions - can be a great support and comfort for their followers. That's why I believe religion can be a major force for good. But if admitting that religion - virtually all religions - have made massive, bloody mistakes in the past makes me a 'militant woke atheist leftist' in your eyes, then so be it.

    But I'd also suggest that virtually all religions have made massive, bloody mistakes in the past, and ignoring that is just sowing the seeds for them to make those mistakes again.
    More like hundreds of thousands directly from the Crusades and half of them Crusaders. That is also ignoring the Ottoman invasions of Europe up to the sieges of Constantinople and Vienna and resulting deaths and the Moorish invasions of Spain or raids of Barbary Corsairs.

    Of course woke leftists like you have no interest in our Christian heritage, our monarchy, capitalism, the traditional family and gender roles or even really white British or English culture so would happily see it all fall in favour of a secular atheist social democratic socially liberal multicultural and woke nirvana firmly back in the EU. Therefore your comments are not much of a surprise (though the reality may just be expansion of militant Islam again rather than the 'progressive' utopia you desire if hard right governments have not already been elected across Europe by then)
    Let's strip this down a little. Hopefully my rich posting history will back this up:

    I have an interest in our Christian heritage.

    I am a strong monarchist.

    I am a capitalist, as this threader probably shows.

    I am very much a supporter of the traditional family - have you missed my many posts about the problems with absent dads? But I realise that when that breaks down, forcing people to stay together can be utterly destructive, especially for kids.

    I am not really in favour of traditional gender roles, as I see them as deeply damaging to women *and* men.

    I do like white British and English culture. I just realise there's a richness outside that as well.

    So I think your summation of my character is rather poor...

    (As it happens, I am agnostic rather than atheist - not that I think you care for the distinction. I parked outside a church before today's search, and when I arrived back after hearing the sad news, I nipped in to make a quick prayer for the poor kid.)
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,228
    Leon said:

    CatMan said:

    To anyone who thinks threads that descend into slagging matches about trans rights are the worst of PB, I give you Leon's sex life as a counter-example.

    Let’s move on to yours
    Let's not, thanks :grimace:
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,402

    CatMan said:

    To anyone who thinks threads that descend into slagging matches about trans rights are the worst of PB, I give you Leon's sex life as a counter-example.

    To be fair, that's more interesting.
    Now, if it's his sex life with trans, that'd be funny.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,575
    Leon said:

    Um. I haven't actually had sex with a pony.

    Just to be clear.

    *Catherine the Great waves hello*
    That was no pony.

    That was a horse.

    Sadly, much as she loved riding, the likelihood is the "rumour" was designed to discredit her - only appearing after her death.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,321
    DM_Andy said:

    Excellent header, thanks.

    I feel like we could be more ambitious if the penalty for failure wasn't so much. A few times in my life I had an idea to work for myself, but wasn't confident enough in making a success that I kept the security of a monthly paycheck. All changes to social security in the last 45 years have been designed to tie a large section of society to working for someone else as the only way to avoid poverty. That doesn't even help save money because anyone who is dependent on welfare knows that if they got a job and it only lasted six months then they might not get the benefits they had before.

    Maybe a universal basic income would help, it would allow people a chance to fail and plenty would succeed.

    Obligatory mention of Micro Men, it's on YouTube at https://youtu.be/XXBxV6-zamM at the end there's a cameo of Sophie Wilson.

    Indeed. I was wondering if anybody would point out that one of the ARM team was trans.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 53,693
    viewcode said:

    DM_Andy said:

    Excellent header, thanks.

    I feel like we could be more ambitious if the penalty for failure wasn't so much. A few times in my life I had an idea to work for myself, but wasn't confident enough in making a success that I kept the security of a monthly paycheck. All changes to social security in the last 45 years have been designed to tie a large section of society to working for someone else as the only way to avoid poverty. That doesn't even help save money because anyone who is dependent on welfare knows that if they got a job and it only lasted six months then they might not get the benefits they had before.

    Maybe a universal basic income would help, it would allow people a chance to fail and plenty would succeed.

    Obligatory mention of Micro Men, it's on YouTube at https://youtu.be/XXBxV6-zamM at the end there's a cameo of Sophie Wilson.

    Indeed. I was wondering if anybody would point out that one of the ARM team was trans.
    Brave Viewcode. You will let me know when the Trans stop screaming, won't you?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,321
    IanB2 said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    -trimmed to remove the ignorant crap-


    And just one final demonstration that it isn't that straightforward, having a cute dog attracts women, whereas my Cobra attracts men. The cute dog doesn't exude power and success whereas the Cobra does.

    .. :)
    Scale established. Viewcode happy!
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,685
    On my post this morning about Stoney Middleton's octagonal church, the memorial I remembered includes a variety of "marble"-like (not sure of the actual geological classification).

    Here's a pic of the memorial I found - a dozen types, not "dozens".

    There's a set of stones known locally as marble, especially "black marble", which was mined near Ashford-in-the-Water. The Ashford Marble works was one of the early water-powered industrial processes, from 1748.

    The best places to see it are probably in Edensor ("Ensor") church at Chatsworth, and at Holy Trinity Church in Ashford-in-the-Water including a spectacular inlaid table. Also I think in a 1590 fireplace at Hardwick Hall, where I'm off for my walk, and at Chatsworth House and Bolsover Castle.

    Article with a number of examples:
    https://thelanguageofstone.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-ashford-black-marble-industry.html
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,835
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains
    hat
    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    So Boris and Elon Musk and Trump are ideal mates for women then, no wonder they have had so many kids and different wives!

    Of course on the day of the Pope's burial the Roman Catholic church is very clear that each man regardless of status or income or wealth or power should marry a woman if they can and avoid contraception and abortion to have plenty of children and stay married to that same woman for life. The only exceptions being those called to be Roman Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals and popes
    Why is that 'very clear' ?
    As it is based on their interpretation of the teachings of Jesus and Paul
    As written down hundreds of years after the event and selectively translated and edited over centuries since. It would be idiotic to give such ancient ramblings any modern day credence.
    Well as you are not Catholic why should they give a toss what you think about it?
    Were it not for the Catholic Church being the institution that has wreaked the most death, destruction, misery, ignorance, disease, abuse, and stunted lives upon counted millions of humanity from its earliest days right through to our current time, I wouldn’t care at all.
    What a load of crap, nationalism, civil wars, Communism, Nazism, militant Islam, have done far worse.

    Most of our oldest universities, cathedrals and churches, many of our schools, hospitals, charities, foodbanks, homeless shelters, orphanages etc were also founded by the RC church and many of our most famous artists funded by them.

    Of course militant atheist woke leftists like you are one of the biggest threats to western civilisation in human history so you are hardly one to talk!
    Estimates for deaths from the Crusades alone range from 1 to 9 million, or 2 to 6 million. Given the smaller world population at the time, proportionally it is equivalent to Nazism. And that's just one of the marks in Christianity's bloody ledger.

    I thoroughly understand that Christianity - indeed all major religions - can be a great support and comfort for their followers. That's why I believe religion can be a major force for good. But if admitting that religion - virtually all religions - have made massive, bloody mistakes in the past makes me a 'militant woke atheist leftist' in your eyes, then so be it.

    But I'd also suggest that virtually all religions have made massive, bloody mistakes in the past, and ignoring that is just sowing the seeds for them to make those mistakes again.
    More like hundreds of thousands directly from the Crusades and half of them Crusaders. That is also ignoring the Ottoman invasions of Europe up to the sieges of Constantinople and Vienna and resulting deaths and the Moorish invasions of Spain or raids of Barbary Corsairs.

    Of course woke leftists like you have no interest in our Christian heritage, our monarchy, capitalism, the traditional family and gender roles or even really white British or English culture so would happily see it all fall in favour of a secular atheist social democratic socially liberal multicultural and woke nirvana firmly back in the EU. Therefore your comments are not much of a surprise (though the reality may just be expansion of militant Islam again rather than the 'progressive' utopia you desire if hard right governments have not already been elected across Europe by then)
    You're going a bit mad here. You're assuming that someone who diaagrees with yon on issue x must diaagree with you in all issues. I'm an atheist, for example, but also a leaver and determinedly antiwoke. I don't see why any of these issues should overlap.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 24,321
    MattW said:

    ...

    Leon said:

    ...

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains

    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    I think you're way off-base.

    After all, you're not someone with sexual or marital success, are you? And how much were you around your kids when they were kids? Yet you like to show off your 'status' and 'success' on here every effing day...
    I don’t want to get into crude and vulgar boasting games about sex, I find them distasteful in the extreme, indicative of sociopathy - and likely to drive the few remaining female PBers off the site. And we need them. So I will restrict myself to observing that I have fucked about 350-400 women
    Hookers don't count as notches on the bedpost.
    My recently deceased friend **** - a man very much after my own heart (hence, perhaps his untimely demise: RIP) - made a pontifical judgment on this theological point. After much debate, he decided that you are allowed to count one hooker, but she must stand for them all. Very much like the one unknown soldier under the Cenotaph, representing the thousands lost in the mud. So 100, 200, 400 hookers - whatever the total, you only get one notch

    If we are to apply Paul’s Doctrine to my own score, then I have had sex with about 101 women

    However as I said I despise this kind of vulgar boasting, it is crude, misogynistic and juvenile, so I am not going to mention again that even under this rule I am probably in three figures. A ton at the Oval, as it were


    I'm not sure who is flagging you for your boastful posts but it is not me.

    By the way 300 hookers plus 101 one night stands over your 60 years gives you a strike rate of around 7 a year, which quite frankly is nothing to boast about.
    Be a little charitable :wink: .

    I'm sure even @Leon did not start on hookers at the age of less than 4.
    For the avoidance of doubt I am sure none of the hookers @Leon has tupped were less than 4.

    Although the ratio of 16-17yr olds to 18+ is debatable.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,575
    Leon said:

    ...

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains

    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    I think you're way off-base.

    After all, you're not someone with sexual or marital success, are you? And how much were you around your kids when they were kids? Yet you like to show off your 'status' and 'success' on here every effing day...
    I don’t want to get into crude and vulgar boasting games about sex, I find them distasteful in the extreme, indicative of sociopathy - and likely to drive the few remaining female PBers off the site. And we need them. So I will restrict myself to observing that I have fucked about 350-400 women
    Hookers don't count as notches on the bedpost.
    My recently deceased friend **** - a man very much after my own heart (hence, perhaps his untimely demise: RIP) - made a pontifical judgment on this theological point. After much debate, he decided that you are allowed to count one hooker, but she must stand for them all. Very much like the one unknown soldier under the Cenotaph, representing the thousands lost in the mud. So 100, 200, 400 hookers - whatever the total, you only get one notch

    If we are to apply Paul’s Doctrine to my own score, then I have had sex with about 101 women

    However as I said I despise this kind of vulgar boasting, it is crude, misogynistic and juvenile, so I am not going to mention again that even under this rule I am probably in three figures. A ton at the Oval, as it were
    Lords would have been classier...
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,685
    edited April 26
    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    -trimmed to remove the ignorant crap-


    And just one final demonstration that it isn't that straightforward, having a cute dog attracts women, whereas my Cobra attracts men. The cute dog doesn't exude power and success whereas the Cobra does.
    Is this a real Cobra, or one of those ones with wheels?

    If wheels, is it a real one with wheels or a pretend one with wheels?

    I'd still prefer a Triking TBH.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,359

    Um. I haven't actually had sex with a pony.

    Just to be clear.

    There’s time.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,344
    ...
    Scott_xP said:
    Which fake Melania is that? So the original wasn't available, but where on earth were the second through to the seventh understudies?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 38,523

    Sean_F said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains
    hat
    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    So Boris and Elon Musk and Trump are ideal mates for women then, no wonder they have had so many kids and different wives!

    Of course on the day of the Pope's burial the Roman Catholic church is very clear that each man regardless of status or income or wealth or power should marry a woman if they can and avoid contraception and abortion to have plenty of children and stay married to that same woman for life. The only exceptions being those called to be Roman Catholic priests, bishops, cardinals and popes
    Why is that 'very clear' ?
    As it is based on their interpretation of the teachings of Jesus and Paul
    As written down hundreds of years after the event and selectively translated and edited over centuries since. It would be idiotic to give such ancient ramblings any modern day credence.
    Well as you are not Catholic why should they give a toss what you think about it?
    Were it not for the Catholic Church being the institution that has wreaked the most death, destruction, misery, ignorance, disease, abuse, and stunted lives upon counted millions of humanity from its earliest days right through to our current time, I wouldn’t care at all.
    What a load of crap, nationalism, civil wars, Communism, Nazism, militant Islam, have done far worse.

    Most of our oldest universities, cathedrals and churches, many of our schools, hospitals, charities, foodbanks, homeless shelters, orphanages etc were also founded by the RC church and many of our most famous artists funded by them.

    Of course militant atheist woke leftists like you are one of the biggest threats to western civilisation in human history so you are hardly one to talk!
    Estimates for deaths from the Crusades alone range from 1 to 9 million, or 2 to 6 million. Given the smaller world population at the time, proportionally it is equivalent to Nazism. And that's just one of the marks in Christianity's bloody ledger.

    I thoroughly understand that Christianity - indeed all major religions - can be a great support and comfort for their followers. That's why I believe religion can be a major force for good. But if admitting that religion - virtually all religions - have made massive, bloody mistakes in the past makes me a 'militant woke atheist leftist' in your eyes, then so be it.

    But I'd also suggest that virtually all religions have made massive, bloody mistakes in the past, and ignoring that is just sowing the seeds for them to make those mistakes again.
    The Crusades of course, did not occur in a vacuum. Some of them were a response to the invasion of the Eastern Roman Empire, and then the Balkans, by the Turks, of Spain and Southern France, by Arabs and Berbers, and of raids across the Mediterranean, from the Middle East and North Africa.
    Indeed, but the same goes for the evils done by Nazism, communism, nationalism, or 'militant Islam', in the list HYUFD stated. They are all reactions to events that are perceived to be negatives for whichever group. I'm unsure that's a valid excuse for all the death and misery caused.
    Sure, but from about 650 onwards, for the best part of a thousand years, European nations (and Anatolia, when under Roman rule), were under siege from the Middle East/North Africa. That does not mean that the aggression was only in one direction, but the majority of the aggression came from the Islamic world.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,228
    edited April 26
    If anyone fancies a laugh, Durham are chasing 108 on a day two pitch at Worcestershire that isn't exactly favourable to batting

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXVwq1uUbHY
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 768
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    ...

    Leon said:

    ...

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains

    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    I think you're way off-base.

    After all, you're not someone with sexual or marital success, are you? And how much were you around your kids when they were kids? Yet you like to show off your 'status' and 'success' on here every effing day...
    I don’t want to get into crude and vulgar boasting games about sex, I find them distasteful in the extreme, indicative of sociopathy - and likely to drive the few remaining female PBers off the site. And we need them. So I will restrict myself to observing that I have fucked about 350-400 women
    Hookers don't count as notches on the bedpost.
    My recently deceased friend **** - a man very much after my own heart (hence, perhaps his untimely demise: RIP) - made a pontifical judgment on this theological point. After much debate, he decided that you are allowed to count one hooker, but she must stand for them all. Very much like the one unknown soldier under the Cenotaph, representing the thousands lost in the mud. So 100, 200, 400 hookers - whatever the total, you only get one notch

    If we are to apply Paul’s Doctrine to my own score, then I have had sex with about 101 women

    However as I said I despise this kind of vulgar boasting, it is crude, misogynistic and juvenile, so I am not going to mention again that even under this rule I am probably in three figures. A ton at the Oval, as it were


    I'm not sure who is flagging you for your boastful posts but it is not me.

    By the way 300 hookers plus 101 one night stands over your 60 years gives you a strike rate of around 7 a year, which quite frankly is nothing to boast about.
    Presumably very few of those were when he was under the age of 12 however.
    If you really want to dig into the maths, then I didn’t start until I was 18. Nervous late developer, Popped my cherry in my first year t uni

    I was still only on 4 or so by the end of Uni (fell in love with the first, calamitous mistake)

    I didn’t really get into the swing until my mid 20s, then I fell off the swing (drugs), then I got back on the swing in a serious way in my early 30s, when I was tupping a new girl every week. Then I had some relationships. Then I clearly got annoyed at myself for being happy and successful so i went back on the drugs, drastically reducing my run rate again, then I had a mild revival in my 40s but had babies,; then I had a major revival in my 50s when I was probably the most successful ever, then I did the dumb thing and fell in love again and this time I got actually married. I have never truly recovered

    So it’s a weird stop-go pattern. Long periods of nothing then sudden shorter periods of intensity. A bit like war?
    AI cannot do this.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,835
    CatMan said:

    To anyone who thinks threads that descend into slagging matches about trans rights are the worst of PB, I give you Leon's sex life as a counter-example.

    It only does because various posters seem so determined to weigh in against him. If you're uninterested in his posts, don't respond.

    Leon is a compulsive oversharer. I suspect he has ADHD (I mean no offence by this - I know quite a bit about the condition, and he shares this trait with several ADHD friends I have whose company I enjoy). If you just let personalities like this behave as come naturally to them rather than getting all cross about it, you can find them quite enjoyable company. They don't, IME, force you to also overshare if that's not what you want. Just treat is as a feature if the site like Morris's stoic refusal to use the quote button.
    You can't, in any case, use it against him or shame him by it, because it won't work.
    He's written a book about his sex life, FFS.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 5,513
    edited April 26
    Cookie said:

    CatMan said:

    To anyone who thinks threads that descend into slagging matches about trans rights are the worst of PB, I give you Leon's sex life as a counter-example.

    It only does because various posters seem so determined to weigh in against him. If you're uninterested in his posts, don't respond.

    Leon is a compulsive oversharer. I suspect he has ADHD (I mean no offence by this - I know quite a bit about the condition, and he shares this trait with several ADHD friends I have whose company I enjoy). If you just let personalities like this behave as come naturally to them rather than getting all cross about it, you can find them quite enjoyable company. They don't, IME, force you to also overshare if that's not what you want. Just treat is as a feature if the site like Morris's stoic refusal to use the quote button.
    You can't, in any case, use it against him or shame him by it, because it won't work.
    He's written a book about his sex life, FFS.
    Fair enough, though from his posts, I imagine that oversharing on obscure political websites is about the least of Leon's compulsions.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,137
    Cookie said:

    CatMan said:

    To anyone who thinks threads that descend into slagging matches about trans rights are the worst of PB, I give you Leon's sex life as a counter-example.

    It only does because various posters seem so determined to weigh in against him. If you're uninterested in his posts, don't respond.

    Leon is a compulsive oversharer. I suspect he has ADHD (I mean no offence by this - I know quite a bit about the condition, and he shares this trait with several ADHD friends I have whose company I enjoy). If you just let personalities like this behave as come naturally to them rather than getting all cross about it, you can find them quite enjoyable company. They don't, IME, force you to also overshare if that's not what you want. Just treat is as a feature if the site like Morris's stoic refusal to use the quote button.
    You can't, in any case, use it against him or shame him by it, because it won't work.
    He's written a book about his sex life, FFS.
    Is it possible to imagine anything more pitiful than a man who troubles through his life to keep a tally of his prostitutes, and in his declining years offers up his total thinking it should earn him some kind of merit award?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,808
    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains

    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    Status and success are two quite different things, though.

    Few people want to be a failure; a very large number don’t hugely care about being top dog. You aren’t one of the latter.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,254
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    IanB2 said:

    Cookie said:

    CatMan said:

    To anyone who thinks threads that descend into slagging matches about trans rights are the worst of PB, I give you Leon's sex life as a counter-example.

    It only does because various posters seem so determined to weigh in against him. If you're uninterested in his posts, don't respond.

    Leon is a compulsive oversharer. I suspect he has ADHD (I mean no offence by this - I know quite a bit about the condition, and he shares this trait with several ADHD friends I have whose company I enjoy). If you just let personalities like this behave as come naturally to them rather than getting all cross about it, you can find them quite enjoyable company. They don't, IME, force you to also overshare if that's not what you want. Just treat is as a feature if the site like Morris's stoic refusal to use the quote button.
    You can't, in any case, use it against him or shame him by it, because it won't work.
    He's written a book about his sex life, FFS.
    Is it possible to imagine anything more pitiful than a man who troubles through his life to keep a tally of his prostitutes, and in his declining years offers up his total thinking it should earn him some kind of merit award?
    Many things.

    It’s pitiful in a Centrist Dad kind of way - the lame transgression of the bloke who is just about acceptable to drink with in the Earl of Essex in Islington.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,432
    Monkeys said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    ...

    Leon said:

    ...

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains

    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    I think you're way off-base.

    After all, you're not someone with sexual or marital success, are you? And how much were you around your kids when they were kids? Yet you like to show off your 'status' and 'success' on here every effing day...
    I don’t want to get into crude and vulgar boasting games about sex, I find them distasteful in the extreme, indicative of sociopathy - and likely to drive the few remaining female PBers off the site. And we need them. So I will restrict myself to observing that I have fucked about 350-400 women
    Hookers don't count as notches on the bedpost.
    My recently deceased friend **** - a man very much after my own heart (hence, perhaps his untimely demise: RIP) - made a pontifical judgment on this theological point. After much debate, he decided that you are allowed to count one hooker, but she must stand for them all. Very much like the one unknown soldier under the Cenotaph, representing the thousands lost in the mud. So 100, 200, 400 hookers - whatever the total, you only get one notch

    If we are to apply Paul’s Doctrine to my own score, then I have had sex with about 101 women

    However as I said I despise this kind of vulgar boasting, it is crude, misogynistic and juvenile, so I am not going to mention again that even under this rule I am probably in three figures. A ton at the Oval, as it were


    I'm not sure who is flagging you for your boastful posts but it is not me.

    By the way 300 hookers plus 101 one night stands over your 60 years gives you a strike rate of around 7 a year, which quite frankly is nothing to boast about.
    Presumably very few of those were when he was under the age of 12 however.
    If you really want to dig into the maths, then I didn’t start until I was 18. Nervous late developer, Popped my cherry in my first year t uni

    I was still only on 4 or so by the end of Uni (fell in love with the first, calamitous mistake)

    I didn’t really get into the swing until my mid 20s, then I fell off the swing (drugs), then I got back on the swing in a serious way in my early 30s, when I was tupping a new girl every week. Then I had some relationships. Then I clearly got annoyed at myself for being happy and successful so i went back on the drugs, drastically reducing my run rate again, then I had a mild revival in my 40s but had babies,; then I had a major revival in my 50s when I was probably the most successful ever, then I did the dumb thing and fell in love again and this time I got actually married. I have never truly recovered

    So it’s a weird stop-go pattern. Long periods of nothing then sudden shorter periods of intensity. A bit like war?
    AI cannot do this.
    Doesn't have the right "bits"?
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,835

    Leon said:

    Um. I haven't actually had sex with a pony.

    Just to be clear.

    *Catherine the Great waves hello*
    That was no pony.

    That was a horse.

    Sadly, much as she loved riding, the likelihood is the "rumour" was designed to discredit her - only appearing after her death.
    A pedant notes: there is no actual species difference - a pony is just a word for a small horse.
    I think.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,432
    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Thanks for all the kind comments, everyone. I shall try to respond later this afternoon.

    Apologies for not being here for my own threader, but it might be interesting to know why I was not here.

    Earlier this week, a 17 year old lad went missing from a nearby village. This morning, at least 100 of us - possibly up to 200 - met up for an official police search. I joined a group of six other strangers, and we drove off to search a nearby village. After walking four miles over two hours, around muddy fields and searching ditches and culverts, I met another group who said the search had been called off. I've heard nothing official, but it looks like bad news.

    I have several things to say about this.

    Obviously, condolences to the lad's family. It must be a hideous time.
    But on a slight bright side, it's good to see so many people turn up to try to help. And it sounds as though one group did help.
    Making a few assumptions: we need to talk more about mental health, especially for boys and men. Life can be tough for everyone, and the 'traditional' way men are meant to be - stiff upper lip, never crying, never talking about emotions - might well be quite harmful. If you feel low, talk to someone. It's not unmanly. And we need to teach our kids that as well.

    Finally, it was all slightly disorganised. Each group was given a set area to search, but there was no connection back to base. This seems an ideal job for there to be an app that would automatically show the police where you are, and where you have searched, and allow them to give you updates. Once I heard the news about the search being called off, there was no way, aside from calling one of my group who I had the number of, to tell them about it. I'm sure it could be better done.

    But thanks again to everyone who turned out. There are many, many good people out there in society.

    Apols for the rant.

    Agree. But.
    We've been talking more about mental health gradually throughout the whole of my adult life. More and more people are doing it more often than ever before. The stigma is declining.
    And yet...mental health isn't improving.
    What we haven't done is train enough professionals or spend the money.
    Crucially. We haven't asked why with all the material advances we aren't any happier?
    And where does this epidemic of misery, anger and dissatisfaction come from?
    "And yet...mental health isn't improving."

    Perhaps it is, but because people talk about it more, we get to see more people who are deeply unhappy, whereas before they would be invisible?

    Agree with much of the rest of your comment.
    My mental health has been the worst when my self-esteem has been hit and I don't think I'm appreciated or valued enough, and you can spiral down.

    Status and recognition is hugely important to men.
    Oddly enough, they're not to me. I'm pretty much a nobody, and I'm pretty much happy with that. I wonder whether introversion vs extroversion character traits play a part?

    (Having said that, I do maintain a website. Is that a search for status and recognition?)

    dixiedean said:

    Thanks for all the kind comments, everyone. I shall try to respond later this afternoon.

    Apologies for not being here for my own threader, but it might be interesting to know why I was not here.

    Earlier this week, a 17 year old lad went missing from a nearby village. This morning, at least 100 of us - possibly up to 200 - met up for an official police search. I joined a group of six other strangers, and we drove off to search a nearby village. After walking four miles over two hours, around muddy fields and searching ditches and culverts, I met another group who said the search had been called off. I've heard nothing official, but it looks like bad news.

    I have several things to say about this.

    Obviously, condolences to the lad's family. It must be a hideous time.
    But on a slight bright side, it's good to see so many people turn up to try to help. And it sounds as though one group did help.
    Making a few assumptions: we need to talk more about mental health, especially for boys and men. Life can be tough for everyone, and the 'traditional' way men are meant to be - stiff upper lip, never crying, never talking about emotions - might well be quite harmful. If you feel low, talk to someone. It's not unmanly. And we need to teach our kids that as well.

    Finally, it was all slightly disorganised. Each group was given a set area to search, but there was no connection back to base. This seems an ideal job for there to be an app that would automatically show the police where you are, and where you have searched, and allow them to give you updates. Once I heard the news about the search being called off, there was no way, aside from calling one of my group who I had the number of, to tell them about it. I'm sure it could be better done.

    But thanks again to everyone who turned out. There are many, many good people out there in society.

    Apols for the rant.

    Agree. But.
    We've been talking more about mental health gradually throughout the whole of my adult life. More and more people are doing it more often than ever before. The stigma is declining.
    And yet...mental health isn't improving.
    What we haven't done is train enough professionals or spend the money.
    Crucially. We haven't asked why with all the material advances we aren't any happier?
    And where does this epidemic of misery, anger and dissatisfaction come from?
    "And yet...mental health isn't improving."

    Perhaps it is, but because people talk about it more, we get to see more people who are deeply unhappy, whereas before they would be invisible?

    Agree with much of the rest of your comment.
    My mental health has been the worst when my self-esteem has been hit and I don't think I'm appreciated or valued enough, and you can spiral down.

    Status and recognition is hugely important to men.
    Oddly enough, they're not to me. I'm pretty much a nobody, and I'm pretty much happy with that. I wonder whether introversion vs extroversion character traits play a part?

    (Having said that, I do maintain a website. Is that a search for status and recognition?)
    Nor me either. I have never sought to measure myself by the opinion of others. Happiness comes from focusing on intrinsic goals rather than extrinsic ones. When I think of the people that I am jealous of, so far as ai can think of anyone to be jealous of, it's people like my friends working in Africa.

    It does depend very much on personality though. Most alpha males are doomed to unhappiness, while Sigma or delta males find it easier. It isn't always possible to change though.

    The kind of alpha male who's dining with his much younger girlfriend, in an exclusive waterfront restaurant, and then finds himself worrying about the size of his ... yacht, when another alpha male sails into harbour in a flashier boat, is doomed never to know happiness.
    Top tip: always choose harbors where it is impossible for a larger yacht to dock.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,698
    So who has had a more fulfilling year - the person who has slept with 20 partners once, or the person who has slept with the same partner over 100 times?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,432
    viewcode said:
    Wait.

    Does this mean my Michael Fabricant bet slip is a loser?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,254
    edited April 26
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Thanks for all the kind comments, everyone. I shall try to respond later this afternoon.

    Apologies for not being here for my own threader, but it might be interesting to know why I was not here.

    Earlier this week, a 17 year old lad went missing from a nearby village. This morning, at least 100 of us - possibly up to 200 - met up for an official police search. I joined a group of six other strangers, and we drove off to search a nearby village. After walking four miles over two hours, around muddy fields and searching ditches and culverts, I met another group who said the search had been called off. I've heard nothing official, but it looks like bad news.

    I have several things to say about this.

    Obviously, condolences to the lad's family. It must be a hideous time.
    But on a slight bright side, it's good to see so many people turn up to try to help. And it sounds as though one group did help.
    Making a few assumptions: we need to talk more about mental health, especially for boys and men. Life can be tough for everyone, and the 'traditional' way men are meant to be - stiff upper lip, never crying, never talking about emotions - might well be quite harmful. If you feel low, talk to someone. It's not unmanly. And we need to teach our kids that as well.

    Finally, it was all slightly disorganised. Each group was given a set area to search, but there was no connection back to base. This seems an ideal job for there to be an app that would automatically show the police where you are, and where you have searched, and allow them to give you updates. Once I heard the news about the search being called off, there was no way, aside from calling one of my group who I had the number of, to tell them about it. I'm sure it could be better done.

    But thanks again to everyone who turned out. There are many, many good people out there in society.

    Apols for the rant.

    Agree. But.
    We've been talking more about mental health gradually throughout the whole of my adult life. More and more people are doing it more often than ever before. The stigma is declining.
    And yet...mental health isn't improving.
    What we haven't done is train enough professionals or spend the money.
    Crucially. We haven't asked why with all the material advances we aren't any happier?
    And where does this epidemic of misery, anger and dissatisfaction come from?
    "And yet...mental health isn't improving."

    Perhaps it is, but because people talk about it more, we get to see more people who are deeply unhappy, whereas before they would be invisible?

    Agree with much of the rest of your comment.
    My mental health has been the worst when my self-esteem has been hit and I don't think I'm appreciated or valued enough, and you can spiral down.

    Status and recognition is hugely important to men.
    Oddly enough, they're not to me. I'm pretty much a nobody, and I'm pretty much happy with that. I wonder whether introversion vs extroversion character traits play a part?

    (Having said that, I do maintain a website. Is that a search for status and recognition?)

    dixiedean said:

    Thanks for all the kind comments, everyone. I shall try to respond later this afternoon.

    Apologies for not being here for my own threader, but it might be interesting to know why I was not here.

    Earlier this week, a 17 year old lad went missing from a nearby village. This morning, at least 100 of us - possibly up to 200 - met up for an official police search. I joined a group of six other strangers, and we drove off to search a nearby village. After walking four miles over two hours, around muddy fields and searching ditches and culverts, I met another group who said the search had been called off. I've heard nothing official, but it looks like bad news.

    I have several things to say about this.

    Obviously, condolences to the lad's family. It must be a hideous time.
    But on a slight bright side, it's good to see so many people turn up to try to help. And it sounds as though one group did help.
    Making a few assumptions: we need to talk more about mental health, especially for boys and men. Life can be tough for everyone, and the 'traditional' way men are meant to be - stiff upper lip, never crying, never talking about emotions - might well be quite harmful. If you feel low, talk to someone. It's not unmanly. And we need to teach our kids that as well.

    Finally, it was all slightly disorganised. Each group was given a set area to search, but there was no connection back to base. This seems an ideal job for there to be an app that would automatically show the police where you are, and where you have searched, and allow them to give you updates. Once I heard the news about the search being called off, there was no way, aside from calling one of my group who I had the number of, to tell them about it. I'm sure it could be better done.

    But thanks again to everyone who turned out. There are many, many good people out there in society.

    Apols for the rant.

    Agree. But.
    We've been talking more about mental health gradually throughout the whole of my adult life. More and more people are doing it more often than ever before. The stigma is declining.
    And yet...mental health isn't improving.
    What we haven't done is train enough professionals or spend the money.
    Crucially. We haven't asked why with all the material advances we aren't any happier?
    And where does this epidemic of misery, anger and dissatisfaction come from?
    "And yet...mental health isn't improving."

    Perhaps it is, but because people talk about it more, we get to see more people who are deeply unhappy, whereas before they would be invisible?

    Agree with much of the rest of your comment.
    My mental health has been the worst when my self-esteem has been hit and I don't think I'm appreciated or valued enough, and you can spiral down.

    Status and recognition is hugely important to men.
    Oddly enough, they're not to me. I'm pretty much a nobody, and I'm pretty much happy with that. I wonder whether introversion vs extroversion character traits play a part?

    (Having said that, I do maintain a website. Is that a search for status and recognition?)
    Nor me either. I have never sought to measure myself by the opinion of others. Happiness comes from focusing on intrinsic goals rather than extrinsic ones. When I think of the people that I am jealous of, so far as ai can think of anyone to be jealous of, it's people like my friends working in Africa.

    It does depend very much on personality though. Most alpha males are doomed to unhappiness, while Sigma or delta males find it easier. It isn't always possible to change though.

    The kind of alpha male who's dining with his much younger girlfriend, in an exclusive waterfront restaurant, and then finds himself worrying about the size of his ... yacht, when another alpha male sails into harbour in a flashier boat, is doomed never to know happiness.
    Top tip: always choose harbors where it is impossible for a larger yacht to dock.
    Wasn’t there a point at Monaco, where one-upping on the yachts led to some people being unable to get their gin palaces into the good bits of the harbour?
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,580
    IanB2 said:

    Cookie said:

    CatMan said:

    To anyone who thinks threads that descend into slagging matches about trans rights are the worst of PB, I give you Leon's sex life as a counter-example.

    It only does because various posters seem so determined to weigh in against him. If you're uninterested in his posts, don't respond.

    Leon is a compulsive oversharer. I suspect he has ADHD (I mean no offence by this - I know quite a bit about the condition, and he shares this trait with several ADHD friends I have whose company I enjoy). If you just let personalities like this behave as come naturally to them rather than getting all cross about it, you can find them quite enjoyable company. They don't, IME, force you to also overshare if that's not what you want. Just treat is as a feature if the site like Morris's stoic refusal to use the quote button.
    You can't, in any case, use it against him or shame him by it, because it won't work.
    He's written a book about his sex life, FFS.
    Is it possible to imagine anything more pitiful than a man who troubles through his life to keep a tally of his prostitutes, and in his declining years offers up his total thinking it should earn him some kind of merit award?
    We ….. you ….. are assuming of course that our friend is telling the truth. I’m fully prepared to believe him when he writes about his travels and about food. I’m less convinced when he talks about his sex life; I’ve met too many men who make unsustainable and or incredible claims about theirs.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 59,432

    So who has had a more fulfilling year - the person who has slept with 20 partners once, or the person who has slept with the same partner over 100 times?

    Is this a US prison question?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,698
    rcs1000 said:

    Sean_F said:

    Foxy said:

    dixiedean said:

    Thanks for all the kind comments, everyone. I shall try to respond later this afternoon.

    Apologies for not being here for my own threader, but it might be interesting to know why I was not here.

    Earlier this week, a 17 year old lad went missing from a nearby village. This morning, at least 100 of us - possibly up to 200 - met up for an official police search. I joined a group of six other strangers, and we drove off to search a nearby village. After walking four miles over two hours, around muddy fields and searching ditches and culverts, I met another group who said the search had been called off. I've heard nothing official, but it looks like bad news.

    I have several things to say about this.

    Obviously, condolences to the lad's family. It must be a hideous time.
    But on a slight bright side, it's good to see so many people turn up to try to help. And it sounds as though one group did help.
    Making a few assumptions: we need to talk more about mental health, especially for boys and men. Life can be tough for everyone, and the 'traditional' way men are meant to be - stiff upper lip, never crying, never talking about emotions - might well be quite harmful. If you feel low, talk to someone. It's not unmanly. And we need to teach our kids that as well.

    Finally, it was all slightly disorganised. Each group was given a set area to search, but there was no connection back to base. This seems an ideal job for there to be an app that would automatically show the police where you are, and where you have searched, and allow them to give you updates. Once I heard the news about the search being called off, there was no way, aside from calling one of my group who I had the number of, to tell them about it. I'm sure it could be better done.

    But thanks again to everyone who turned out. There are many, many good people out there in society.

    Apols for the rant.

    Agree. But.
    We've been talking more about mental health gradually throughout the whole of my adult life. More and more people are doing it more often than ever before. The stigma is declining.
    And yet...mental health isn't improving.
    What we haven't done is train enough professionals or spend the money.
    Crucially. We haven't asked why with all the material advances we aren't any happier?
    And where does this epidemic of misery, anger and dissatisfaction come from?
    "And yet...mental health isn't improving."

    Perhaps it is, but because people talk about it more, we get to see more people who are deeply unhappy, whereas before they would be invisible?

    Agree with much of the rest of your comment.
    My mental health has been the worst when my self-esteem has been hit and I don't think I'm appreciated or valued enough, and you can spiral down.

    Status and recognition is hugely important to men.
    Oddly enough, they're not to me. I'm pretty much a nobody, and I'm pretty much happy with that. I wonder whether introversion vs extroversion character traits play a part?

    (Having said that, I do maintain a website. Is that a search for status and recognition?)

    dixiedean said:

    Thanks for all the kind comments, everyone. I shall try to respond later this afternoon.

    Apologies for not being here for my own threader, but it might be interesting to know why I was not here.

    Earlier this week, a 17 year old lad went missing from a nearby village. This morning, at least 100 of us - possibly up to 200 - met up for an official police search. I joined a group of six other strangers, and we drove off to search a nearby village. After walking four miles over two hours, around muddy fields and searching ditches and culverts, I met another group who said the search had been called off. I've heard nothing official, but it looks like bad news.

    I have several things to say about this.

    Obviously, condolences to the lad's family. It must be a hideous time.
    But on a slight bright side, it's good to see so many people turn up to try to help. And it sounds as though one group did help.
    Making a few assumptions: we need to talk more about mental health, especially for boys and men. Life can be tough for everyone, and the 'traditional' way men are meant to be - stiff upper lip, never crying, never talking about emotions - might well be quite harmful. If you feel low, talk to someone. It's not unmanly. And we need to teach our kids that as well.

    Finally, it was all slightly disorganised. Each group was given a set area to search, but there was no connection back to base. This seems an ideal job for there to be an app that would automatically show the police where you are, and where you have searched, and allow them to give you updates. Once I heard the news about the search being called off, there was no way, aside from calling one of my group who I had the number of, to tell them about it. I'm sure it could be better done.

    But thanks again to everyone who turned out. There are many, many good people out there in society.

    Apols for the rant.

    Agree. But.
    We've been talking more about mental health gradually throughout the whole of my adult life. More and more people are doing it more often than ever before. The stigma is declining.
    And yet...mental health isn't improving.
    What we haven't done is train enough professionals or spend the money.
    Crucially. We haven't asked why with all the material advances we aren't any happier?
    And where does this epidemic of misery, anger and dissatisfaction come from?
    "And yet...mental health isn't improving."

    Perhaps it is, but because people talk about it more, we get to see more people who are deeply unhappy, whereas before they would be invisible?

    Agree with much of the rest of your comment.
    My mental health has been the worst when my self-esteem has been hit and I don't think I'm appreciated or valued enough, and you can spiral down.

    Status and recognition is hugely important to men.
    Oddly enough, they're not to me. I'm pretty much a nobody, and I'm pretty much happy with that. I wonder whether introversion vs extroversion character traits play a part?

    (Having said that, I do maintain a website. Is that a search for status and recognition?)
    Nor me either. I have never sought to measure myself by the opinion of others. Happiness comes from focusing on intrinsic goals rather than extrinsic ones. When I think of the people that I am jealous of, so far as ai can think of anyone to be jealous of, it's people like my friends working in Africa.

    It does depend very much on personality though. Most alpha males are doomed to unhappiness, while Sigma or delta males find it easier. It isn't always possible to change though.

    The kind of alpha male who's dining with his much younger girlfriend, in an exclusive waterfront restaurant, and then finds himself worrying about the size of his ... yacht, when another alpha male sails into harbour in a flashier boat, is doomed never to know happiness.
    Top tip: always choose harbors where it is impossible for a larger yacht to dock.
    Harbours.
  • Nunu3Nunu3 Posts: 266
    (great fascinating article)

    On the by election, Labour will hold Runcorn.

    It is in an area that has remained one of their more rock solid areas. Around the river Mersey, Labour have held on quite wll even in 2019.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,808
    DM_Andy said:

    College said:

    Is anyone courageous enough to say nah, Michael Czerny doesn't have the remotest chance of winning the white smoke? Because I've just offered £10 @200 at Smarkets.

    It's time for a bearded pope.

    I have been in touch with the camerlengo's cleaner, whom I'd earlier supplied with lockpicks. Seriously the logic runs like this: who's to say the Jesuits aren't in a rather stronger position than anyone knows about given how precedent was steamrollered in 2013 when Ratzinger hightailed it, letting their boy in, and as things stand ~80% of cardies are Bergoglio's picks?

    Seems like a long shot but it's a fun bet. The conventional strikes against Czerny are his lack of pastoral experience, he's never even been a parish priest and the fact he's a Jesuit - the last time a Pope of one order was succeeded by a Pope of the same order was in the 12th century. There's over 108 Francis-picked Cardinal Electors, but only 4 (including Czerny) are Jesuits.

    It's a fascinating market, I feel like the betting is more generated by wishing than fact. I think there's enough conservative cardinals to block Tagle and enough progressive cardinals to block Sarah or Erdö. Someone on here said it'll depend on what the Cardinals want from the next Pope, if it's someone to get to grips with the Curia in a way that Francis tried (and arguably failed) then Parolin might be the best choice (though his odds are unbackable), If it's more an evangelism type Pope they want then Turkson would be the front runner.

    Ultimately it might just boil down to social connections, does someone feel comfortable enough to enough cardinals that they would be happy to see him be Pope?
    A great surname, though.
    Namesake of the father of modern piano technique.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,349

    So who has had a more fulfilling year - the person who has slept with 20 partners once, or the person who has slept with the same partner over 100 times?

    That depends on how long the latter has been with their partner... if it's more than a couple of years I doff my cap!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,808
    IanB2 said:

    kjh said:

    Leon said:

    -trimmed to remove the ignorant crap-


    And just one final demonstration that it isn't that straightforward, having a cute dog attracts women, whereas my Cobra attracts men. The cute dog doesn't exude power and success whereas the Cobra does.

    .. :)
    Not quite top dog; only about half way up.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,835
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains

    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    Status and success are two quite different things, though.

    Few people want to be a failure; a very large number don’t hugely care about being top dog. You aren’t one of the latter.
    I have a moderately successful friend who has recently retired. He reports his surprise when people - men - ask him whether he misses the status. "What - of running a medium-sized market research firm?", he replies with characteristic bafflement.

    I think the number of people motivated by status is relatively low. I've met one or two, but they always seem incongruous. I'm sure they do get the women, but achieving great status seems a particularly labour-intensive way of appealing to the opposite sex. Being quite nice is IME just as effective and considerably easier.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,808

    Um. I haven't actually had sex with a pony.

    Just to be clear.

    Venison ?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,865
    edited April 26
    Cookie said:

    CatMan said:

    To anyone who thinks threads that descend into slagging matches about trans rights are the worst of PB, I give you Leon's sex life as a counter-example.

    It only does because various posters seem so determined to weigh in against him. If you're uninterested in his posts, don't respond.

    Leon is a compulsive oversharer. I suspect he has ADHD (I mean no offence by this - I know quite a bit about the condition, and he shares this trait with several ADHD friends I have whose company I enjoy). If you just let personalities like this behave as come naturally to them rather than getting all cross about it, you can find them quite enjoyable company. They don't, IME, force you to also overshare if that's not what you want. Just treat is as a feature if the site like Morris's stoic refusal to use the quote button.
    You can't, in any case, use it against him or shame him by it, because it won't work.
    He's written a book about his sex life, FFS.
    I am definitely an oversharer. It’s made me a lot of friends in life. If you admit to your worst or deepest secrets quite openly then people often respond in kind. Through that a bond is born

    I’m not ADHD. I have almost none of the classic
    diagnostic symptoms

    Mildly manic depressive exhibitionist with serious substance dependency issues and a pathological fear of boredom. That’s me

    I’m quite dissimilar to a lot of PBers who are on the classic neurodivergence spectrum, as you would expect on a site dedicated to stats, maths and geeky analytics
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,402
    viewcode said:

    Oh yes, before I forget, good article @JosiasJessop :)

    Thanks. I've been working on this - in a way - for a *long* time - before the ARSTechnica article, which did the history part of it much better. I then cut it down to several thousand words, then removed all references to individuals, processor names, technical details, and radically cut it down to (hopefully) get to the core question:

    How can we make the ARM phenomenon happen again, preferably many times?

    (That's actually a lie: the article is mainly a tribute to the team that developed the chip, and changed the world.)
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,808

    dixiedean said:

    Thanks for all the kind comments, everyone. I shall try to respond later this afternoon.

    Apologies for not being here for my own threader, but it might be interesting to know why I was not here.

    Earlier this week, a 17 year old lad went missing from a nearby village. This morning, at least 100 of us - possibly up to 200 - met up for an official police search. I joined a group of six other strangers, and we drove off to search a nearby village. After walking four miles over two hours, around muddy fields and searching ditches and culverts, I met another group who said the search had been called off. I've heard nothing official, but it looks like bad news.

    I have several things to say about this.

    Obviously, condolences to the lad's family. It must be a hideous time.
    But on a slight bright side, it's good to see so many people turn up to try to help. And it sounds as though one group did help.
    Making a few assumptions: we need to talk more about mental health, especially for boys and men. Life can be tough for everyone, and the 'traditional' way men are meant to be - stiff upper lip, never crying, never talking about emotions - might well be quite harmful. If you feel low, talk to someone. It's not unmanly. And we need to teach our kids that as well.

    Finally, it was all slightly disorganised. Each group was given a set area to search, but there was no connection back to base. This seems an ideal job for there to be an app that would automatically show the police where you are, and where you have searched, and allow them to give you updates. Once I heard the news about the search being called off, there was no way, aside from calling one of my group who I had the number of, to tell them about it. I'm sure it could be better done.

    But thanks again to everyone who turned out. There are many, many good people out there in society.

    Apols for the rant.

    Agree. But.
    We've been talking more about mental health gradually throughout the whole of my adult life. More and more people are doing it more often than ever before. The stigma is declining.
    And yet...mental health isn't improving.
    What we haven't done is train enough professionals or spend the money.
    Crucially. We haven't asked why with all the material advances we aren't any happier?
    And where does this epidemic of misery, anger and dissatisfaction come from?
    "And yet...mental health isn't improving."

    Perhaps it is, but because people talk about it more, we get to see more people who are deeply unhappy, whereas before they would be invisible?

    Agree with much of the rest of your comment.
    My mental health has been the worst when my self-esteem has been hit and I don't think I'm appreciated or valued enough, and you can spiral down.

    Status and recognition is hugely important to men.
    Status and recognition are important to some men, the sane ones realise its total bollocks
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,580
    Just been an announcement on BBC Essex that Cambridgeshire Police have found the body of a 17year old lad. They don’t suspect foul play..
    Was he Mr Jessop’s quarry?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,137

    Just been an announcement on BBC Essex that Cambridgeshire Police have found the body of a 17year old lad. They don’t suspect foul play..
    Was he Mr Jessop’s quarry?

    Nothing noteworthy took place in Essex today, I guess?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,280
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    CatMan said:

    To anyone who thinks threads that descend into slagging matches about trans rights are the worst of PB, I give you Leon's sex life as a counter-example.

    It only does because various posters seem so determined to weigh in against him. If you're uninterested in his posts, don't respond.

    Leon is a compulsive oversharer. I suspect he has ADHD (I mean no offence by this - I know quite a bit about the condition, and he shares this trait with several ADHD friends I have whose company I enjoy). If you just let personalities like this behave as come naturally to them rather than getting all cross about it, you can find them quite enjoyable company. They don't, IME, force you to also overshare if that's not what you want. Just treat is as a feature if the site like Morris's stoic refusal to use the quote button.
    You can't, in any case, use it against him or shame him by it, because it won't work.
    He's written a book about his sex life, FFS.
    I am definitely an oversharer. It’s made me a lot of friends in life. If you admit to your worst or deepest secrets quite openly then people often respond in kind. Through that a bond is born

    I’m not ADHD. I have almost none of the classic
    diagnostic symptoms

    Mildly manic depressive exhibitionist with serious substance dependency issues and a pathological fear of boredom. That’s me

    I’m quite dissimilar to a lot of PBers who are on the classic neurodivergence spectrum, as you would expect on a site dedicated to stats, maths and geeky analytics
    Hang on, whats all this stats and maths nonsense, I thought we were just here to celebrate words beginning in t and ending in s, like trans and trains?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,808
    The US actually created an EV to appeal to the Republican base.
    https://x.com/slateauto/status/1915591929200340998

    It could have been a Tesla product, but Musk came up with the ridiculous Cybertruck instead.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,402

    Just been an announcement on BBC Essex that Cambridgeshire Police have found the body of a 17year old lad. They don’t suspect foul play..
    Was he Mr Jessop’s quarry?

    Yep, sadly.

    https://www.cambridgeindependent.co.uk/news/police-searching-for-missing-17-year-old-discover-body-in-ca-9414567/

    I'm very glad I was one of a group allocated the Dry Drayton area, and therefore didn't find the body. But I'm glad he was found.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,808
  • CookieCookie Posts: 14,835
    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    CatMan said:

    To anyone who thinks threads that descend into slagging matches about trans rights are the worst of PB, I give you Leon's sex life as a counter-example.

    It only does because various posters seem so determined to weigh in against him. If you're uninterested in his posts, don't respond.

    Leon is a compulsive oversharer. I suspect he has ADHD (I mean no offence by this - I know quite a bit about the condition, and he shares this trait with several ADHD friends I have whose company I enjoy). If you just let personalities like this behave as come naturally to them rather than getting all cross about it, you can find them quite enjoyable company. They don't, IME, force you to also overshare if that's not what you want. Just treat is as a feature if the site like Morris's stoic refusal to use the quote button.
    You can't, in any case, use it against him or shame him by it, because it won't work.
    He's written a book about his sex life, FFS.
    I am definitely an oversharer. It’s made me a lot of friends in life. If you admit to your worst or deepest secrets quite openly then people often respond in kind. Through that a bond is born

    I’m not ADHD. I have almost none of the classic
    diagnostic symptoms

    Mildly manic depressive exhibitionist with serious substance dependency issues and a pathological fear of boredom. That’s me

    I’m quite dissimilar to a lot of PBers who are on the classic neurodivergence spectrum, as you would expect on a site dedicated to stats, maths and geeky analytics
    Fair enough. I mean no rudeness by it. Inasmuch as you can infer a personality through a webforum, you have a similar personality to one of my beat friends, who is definitely ADHD. But you know yourself best and there is more to it than just personality.

    On another note, I am returning from Sheffield; a troop of Morris Dancers ha e just boarded at Stockport.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,808
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains

    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    Status and success are two quite different things, though.

    Few people want to be a failure; a very large number don’t hugely care about being top dog. You aren’t one of the latter.
    I don't care about either status or success and never had an issue with the opposite sex....maybe what leon means is he is so unappealing he needs status and success to get anyone of the opposite sex to even look at him twice. Millions of men don't have status or success, they work in shops, factories, building sites, some are even unemployed...they seem to have no issue finding love. In fact I suspect if you looked at children produced you would probably find the lower quintile have a higher fertility rate than the top 4
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,580
    IanB2 said:

    Just been an announcement on BBC Essex that Cambridgeshire Police have found the body of a 17year old lad. They don’t suspect foul play..
    Was he Mr Jessop’s quarry?

    Nothing noteworthy took place in Essex today, I guess?
    Probably not, according to the BBC anyway. I haven’t checked our local cricket team yet, though.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 24,280
    Pagan2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains

    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    Status and success are two quite different things, though.

    Few people want to be a failure; a very large number don’t hugely care about being top dog. You aren’t one of the latter.
    I don't care about either status or success and never had an issue with the opposite sex....maybe what leon means is he is so unappealing he needs status and success to get anyone of the opposite sex to even look at him twice. Millions of men don't have status or success, they work in shops, factories, building sites, some are even unemployed...they seem to have no issue finding love. In fact I suspect if you looked at children produced you would probably find the lower quintile have a higher fertility rate than the top 4
    Who are the top 4? I guess Boris and Elon are two of them?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,401
    Pagan2 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Thanks for all the kind comments, everyone. I shall try to respond later this afternoon.

    Apologies for not being here for my own threader, but it might be interesting to know why I was not here.

    Earlier this week, a 17 year old lad went missing from a nearby village. This morning, at least 100 of us - possibly up to 200 - met up for an official police search. I joined a group of six other strangers, and we drove off to search a nearby village. After walking four miles over two hours, around muddy fields and searching ditches and culverts, I met another group who said the search had been called off. I've heard nothing official, but it looks like bad news.

    I have several things to say about this.

    Obviously, condolences to the lad's family. It must be a hideous time.
    But on a slight bright side, it's good to see so many people turn up to try to help. And it sounds as though one group did help.
    Making a few assumptions: we need to talk more about mental health, especially for boys and men. Life can be tough for everyone, and the 'traditional' way men are meant to be - stiff upper lip, never crying, never talking about emotions - might well be quite harmful. If you feel low, talk to someone. It's not unmanly. And we need to teach our kids that as well.

    Finally, it was all slightly disorganised. Each group was given a set area to search, but there was no connection back to base. This seems an ideal job for there to be an app that would automatically show the police where you are, and where you have searched, and allow them to give you updates. Once I heard the news about the search being called off, there was no way, aside from calling one of my group who I had the number of, to tell them about it. I'm sure it could be better done.

    But thanks again to everyone who turned out. There are many, many good people out there in society.

    Apols for the rant.

    Agree. But.
    We've been talking more about mental health gradually throughout the whole of my adult life. More and more people are doing it more often than ever before. The stigma is declining.
    And yet...mental health isn't improving.
    What we haven't done is train enough professionals or spend the money.
    Crucially. We haven't asked why with all the material advances we aren't any happier?
    And where does this epidemic of misery, anger and dissatisfaction come from?
    "And yet...mental health isn't improving."

    Perhaps it is, but because people talk about it more, we get to see more people who are deeply unhappy, whereas before they would be invisible?

    Agree with much of the rest of your comment.
    My mental health has been the worst when my self-esteem has been hit and I don't think I'm appreciated or valued enough, and you can spiral down.

    Status and recognition is hugely important to men.
    Status and recognition are important to some men, the sane ones realise its total bollocks
    Nah, it is. Today has been an exercise in men saying it doesn't matter to them only to demonstrate it does, in different ways.

    You're no different.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,401
    Nigelb said:

    Um. I haven't actually had sex with a pony.

    Just to be clear.

    Venison ?
    You're possibly the least funny, or fun, person on the site.

    Maybe if you had more sex that might actually change.
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,808

    Pagan2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Men who claim “status and success” don’t matter to me are either liars, idiotic liars, or saints. Because the crude truth is - women want men with status and success. With power and money. For very good Darwinian reasons:

    1. These attributes prove that the man is fit in evolutionary terms - likely to have kids with equal ambition and drive and brains

    2. If the man is rich and powerful he’s in a much better position to look after those kids

    So if you really believe status and success don’t matter to you then you are saying sexual/marital success don’t really matter to you. Such men exist but they are rare

    Status and success are two quite different things, though.

    Few people want to be a failure; a very large number don’t hugely care about being top dog. You aren’t one of the latter.
    I don't care about either status or success and never had an issue with the opposite sex....maybe what leon means is he is so unappealing he needs status and success to get anyone of the opposite sex to even look at him twice. Millions of men don't have status or success, they work in shops, factories, building sites, some are even unemployed...they seem to have no issue finding love. In fact I suspect if you looked at children produced you would probably find the lower quintile have a higher fertility rate than the top 4
    Who are the top 4? I guess Boris and Elon are two of them?
    I meant the top 4 quintiles
  • Pagan2Pagan2 Posts: 10,808

    Pagan2 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Thanks for all the kind comments, everyone. I shall try to respond later this afternoon.

    Apologies for not being here for my own threader, but it might be interesting to know why I was not here.

    Earlier this week, a 17 year old lad went missing from a nearby village. This morning, at least 100 of us - possibly up to 200 - met up for an official police search. I joined a group of six other strangers, and we drove off to search a nearby village. After walking four miles over two hours, around muddy fields and searching ditches and culverts, I met another group who said the search had been called off. I've heard nothing official, but it looks like bad news.

    I have several things to say about this.

    Obviously, condolences to the lad's family. It must be a hideous time.
    But on a slight bright side, it's good to see so many people turn up to try to help. And it sounds as though one group did help.
    Making a few assumptions: we need to talk more about mental health, especially for boys and men. Life can be tough for everyone, and the 'traditional' way men are meant to be - stiff upper lip, never crying, never talking about emotions - might well be quite harmful. If you feel low, talk to someone. It's not unmanly. And we need to teach our kids that as well.

    Finally, it was all slightly disorganised. Each group was given a set area to search, but there was no connection back to base. This seems an ideal job for there to be an app that would automatically show the police where you are, and where you have searched, and allow them to give you updates. Once I heard the news about the search being called off, there was no way, aside from calling one of my group who I had the number of, to tell them about it. I'm sure it could be better done.

    But thanks again to everyone who turned out. There are many, many good people out there in society.

    Apols for the rant.

    Agree. But.
    We've been talking more about mental health gradually throughout the whole of my adult life. More and more people are doing it more often than ever before. The stigma is declining.
    And yet...mental health isn't improving.
    What we haven't done is train enough professionals or spend the money.
    Crucially. We haven't asked why with all the material advances we aren't any happier?
    And where does this epidemic of misery, anger and dissatisfaction come from?
    "And yet...mental health isn't improving."

    Perhaps it is, but because people talk about it more, we get to see more people who are deeply unhappy, whereas before they would be invisible?

    Agree with much of the rest of your comment.
    My mental health has been the worst when my self-esteem has been hit and I don't think I'm appreciated or valued enough, and you can spiral down.

    Status and recognition is hugely important to men.
    Status and recognition are important to some men, the sane ones realise its total bollocks
    Nah, it is. Today has been an exercise in men saying it doesn't matter to them only to demonstrate it does, in different ways.

    You're no different.
    Sorry you don't get to diagnose me as suffering from your mental illness
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,865
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Cookie said:

    CatMan said:

    To anyone who thinks threads that descend into slagging matches about trans rights are the worst of PB, I give you Leon's sex life as a counter-example.

    It only does because various posters seem so determined to weigh in against him. If you're uninterested in his posts, don't respond.

    Leon is a compulsive oversharer. I suspect he has ADHD (I mean no offence by this - I know quite a bit about the condition, and he shares this trait with several ADHD friends I have whose company I enjoy). If you just let personalities like this behave as come naturally to them rather than getting all cross about it, you can find them quite enjoyable company. They don't, IME, force you to also overshare if that's not what you want. Just treat is as a feature if the site like Morris's stoic refusal to use the quote button.
    You can't, in any case, use it against him or shame him by it, because it won't work.
    He's written a book about his sex life, FFS.
    I am definitely an oversharer. It’s made me a lot of friends in life. If you admit to your worst or deepest secrets quite openly then people often respond in kind. Through that a bond is born

    I’m not ADHD. I have almost none of the classic
    diagnostic symptoms

    Mildly manic depressive exhibitionist with serious substance dependency issues and a pathological fear of boredom. That’s me

    I’m quite dissimilar to a lot of PBers who are on the classic neurodivergence spectrum, as you would expect on a site dedicated to stats, maths and geeky analytics
    Fair enough. I mean no rudeness by it. Inasmuch as you can infer a personality through a webforum, you have a similar personality to one of my beat friends, who is definitely ADHD. But you know yourself best and there is more to it than just personality.

    On another note, I am returning from Sheffield; a troop of Morris Dancers ha e just boarded at Stockport.
    Not at all offended

    I just did a few online ADHD tests, coz you intrigued me. Result “3% ADHD”, “results not compatible with ADHD”, “definitely not ADHD” etc

    I can focus, I get tasks done, I don’t get easily distracted when working, I can multitask, I don’t fidget, etc

    About the only adhd symptoms I have (judging by these tests) are risk taking and occasional sleep disorder

    And trust me, if I was positive: I would now over share and explain EXACTLY how I am ADHD

  • DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 1,266
    https://schoolsweek.co.uk/79-schools-withdraw-from-breakfast-clubs-trial/
    Almost 80 schools named just months ago as trailblazers for Labour’s flagship free breakfast clubs have dropped out, with many saying the funding is inadequate.

    The government announced 750 “early adopter” primary schools had opened breakfast clubs this week, providing 30 minutes of free childcare and a “healthy start” for about 180,000 children.

    But analysis by Schools Week found 79 schools in the scheme – about one in ten – have dropped out. The 79 were included in a list published in February.

    Problem is lack of funding, the funding for a breakfast club for 30 children works out at £20.70 per day, staffing on its own costs £26.10 before the school has even bought any food.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,401
    Pagan2 said:

    Pagan2 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Thanks for all the kind comments, everyone. I shall try to respond later this afternoon.

    Apologies for not being here for my own threader, but it might be interesting to know why I was not here.

    Earlier this week, a 17 year old lad went missing from a nearby village. This morning, at least 100 of us - possibly up to 200 - met up for an official police search. I joined a group of six other strangers, and we drove off to search a nearby village. After walking four miles over two hours, around muddy fields and searching ditches and culverts, I met another group who said the search had been called off. I've heard nothing official, but it looks like bad news.

    I have several things to say about this.

    Obviously, condolences to the lad's family. It must be a hideous time.
    But on a slight bright side, it's good to see so many people turn up to try to help. And it sounds as though one group did help.
    Making a few assumptions: we need to talk more about mental health, especially for boys and men. Life can be tough for everyone, and the 'traditional' way men are meant to be - stiff upper lip, never crying, never talking about emotions - might well be quite harmful. If you feel low, talk to someone. It's not unmanly. And we need to teach our kids that as well.

    Finally, it was all slightly disorganised. Each group was given a set area to search, but there was no connection back to base. This seems an ideal job for there to be an app that would automatically show the police where you are, and where you have searched, and allow them to give you updates. Once I heard the news about the search being called off, there was no way, aside from calling one of my group who I had the number of, to tell them about it. I'm sure it could be better done.

    But thanks again to everyone who turned out. There are many, many good people out there in society.

    Apols for the rant.

    Agree. But.
    We've been talking more about mental health gradually throughout the whole of my adult life. More and more people are doing it more often than ever before. The stigma is declining.
    And yet...mental health isn't improving.
    What we haven't done is train enough professionals or spend the money.
    Crucially. We haven't asked why with all the material advances we aren't any happier?
    And where does this epidemic of misery, anger and dissatisfaction come from?
    "And yet...mental health isn't improving."

    Perhaps it is, but because people talk about it more, we get to see more people who are deeply unhappy, whereas before they would be invisible?

    Agree with much of the rest of your comment.
    My mental health has been the worst when my self-esteem has been hit and I don't think I'm appreciated or valued enough, and you can spiral down.

    Status and recognition is hugely important to men.
    Status and recognition are important to some men, the sane ones realise its total bollocks
    Nah, it is. Today has been an exercise in men saying it doesn't matter to them only to demonstrate it does, in different ways.

    You're no different.
    Sorry you don't get to diagnose me as suffering from your mental illness
    Yeah, I do.

    I'm right, and you just can't handle it. Because there is nothing that vaguely passes for "success" in your life.
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