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Not the polling Labour need with next week’s elections coming up – politicalbetting.com

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Not the polling Labour need with next week’s elections coming up – politicalbetting.com

Just 24% of Britons feel Labour care about ordinary people, the lowest level since YouGov began asking the question in 2019Cares about ordinary people: 24% (-3 from 14-16 Feb)Cares only about a select few: 51% (-1)Neither: 17% (+3)yougov.co.uk/topics/polit…

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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,106
    edited 6:30AM
    First! Like the LibDems, the only remaining responsible party....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,536
    IanB2 said:

    First! Like the LibDems, the only remaining responsible party....

    That's 24% of people plus @IanB2 who are on something quite strong,
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,106
    Maybe it's a metaphor...

    @crampell.bsky.social‬

    Ah yes, the government asking Jews to register as Jewish, in the name of protecting the Jews. No way that could go wrong

    https://bsky.app/profile/crampell.bsky.social/post/3lnjkdtqicc2u
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,171
    My earliest political memory is of a woman at a bus stop remarking to her friend that the Conservatives aren't for the likes of us; mind you, I'm not sure Labour are either.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,536

    My earliest political memory is of a woman at a bus stop remarking to her friend that the Conservatives aren't for the likes of us; mind you, I'm not sure Labour are either.

    No politicians are for ordinary people. They sometimes start out intending to be.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,627
    Good morning everyone.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,307
    The Big Two (or the old Big Two) will get hammered, I suspect.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,171

    The Big Two (or the old Big Two) will get hammered, I suspect.

    Drinking on public transport is already banned, otherwise that too would be the illiberal LibDems' new policy press release.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,329

    The Big Two (or the old Big Two) will get hammered, I suspect.

    Spare a thought for the SNP, they won’t win a single seat.
    They won’t lose one either so I guess that counts as a result.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,171
    Labour’s class warriors destroyed my daughter’s primary school.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/23/labour-party-class-warriors-destroyed-my-daughters-school/ (£££)

    Funnily enough, Labour pinched the VAT on private schools idea from Michael Gove.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 26,627
    edited 6:44AM
    Weirdness on a Telegrunt video:

    Scott Bessent: "On this point I wish to be clear: America first does not mean America alone."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fNpwx9ufr8

    I thought he was supposed to the one who *not* a mushroom? When you burn down all your bridges you tend to be a little alone.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,171
    Nigelb said:

    Trump accuses Zelenskyy of jeopardising imminent peace deal
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/23/vance-says-us-will-walk-away-unless-ukraine-and-russia-accept-peace-deal


    John F. Kennedy speaking to the nation on July 25th 1961 on the possibility of war with the Soviet Union due to the Berlin Crisis.

    “We cannot negotiate with people who say what's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable”
    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1915197821528969321

    JFK used more hairspray than Donald Trump judging from that clip.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,329
    Trump showing immense levels of self control in not calling these guys losers.

    https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/1915163769757479292?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 62,307

    Labour’s class warriors destroyed my daughter’s primary school.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/23/labour-party-class-warriors-destroyed-my-daughters-school/ (£££)

    Funnily enough, Labour pinched the VAT on private schools idea from Michael Gove.

    Gove has Lenin on the wall as one of his heroes.
  • (1/5)

    There is virtually no evidence Labour’s policies have destroyed any schools. VAT on the fees is a policy they were right to introduce and should stick to.

    If Labour want to win back some support in Scotland and the north what better than a massive drop in energy bills? That’s what zonal pricing would go towards delivering. I’m quite happy to pay more, perhaps it would incentivise bringing the bills down here in London in the long run.

    I still struggle to see how people are calling the next election so early. A lot can happen in four years and Labour have a lot of levers to pull in that time.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,197

    The graph in the header suggests Labour were doing all right until they got themselves elected. A lesson the Tories have clearly taken to heart.

    If you structure yourself as an oppositional party, then winning power is actually losing your job(s).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,521
    MattW said:

    Weirdness on a Telegrunt video:

    Scott Bessent: "On this point I wish to be clear: America first does not mean America alone."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fNpwx9ufr8

    I thought he was supposed to the one who *not* a mushroom? When you burn down all your bridges you tend to be a little alone.

    They have a very secure alliance with El Salvador.

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 13,681
    A journalist dated alt right men in the US: an interesting take on people caught up in the online “Manosphere”: https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/love-sex/relationships/a63915627/political-beliefs-dating-app-experiment/
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 939

    Nigelb said:

    Trump accuses Zelenskyy of jeopardising imminent peace deal
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/23/vance-says-us-will-walk-away-unless-ukraine-and-russia-accept-peace-deal


    John F. Kennedy speaking to the nation on July 25th 1961 on the possibility of war with the Soviet Union due to the Berlin Crisis.

    “We cannot negotiate with people who say what's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable”
    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1915197821528969321

    JFK used more hairspray than Donald Trump judging from that clip.
    Has he called JFK a loser yet, for not moving his head?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,319

    Labour’s class warriors destroyed my daughter’s primary school.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/23/labour-party-class-warriors-destroyed-my-daughters-school/ (£££)

    Funnily enough, Labour pinched the VAT on private schools idea from Michael Gove.

    What a fucking whinger. Although, I suspect the moiety of his outrage is synthesised for his audience. Remember his Liz Truss is brilliant and everything is going to be great article? He can't really have believed that when he wrote it.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,782

    Unfair, the amount of mildly grifty self-interest shown by Labour indicates that they care for very ordinary people.

    lol. Yes

    A government by the mediocre for the mediocre. A government so dedicated to aiding the mediocre the entire cabinet is composed of mediocrities and the mediocre leader himself puts the meh in mediocre
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,521
    MattW said:

    Weirdness on a Telegrunt video:

    Scott Bessent: "On this point I wish to be clear: America first does not mean America alone."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fNpwx9ufr8

    I thought he was supposed to the one who *not* a mushroom? When you burn down all your bridges you tend to be a little alone.

    It's race imho between Bessent and Jay Bhattacharya to see who walks from this administration first.

  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 4,786
    edited 6:59AM
    (2/5)

    Which party is proposing to undo the WFA changes and what will they cut in order to do so?

    I agree though that on the politics of it, Labour should have also done something like changing council tax bands at the same time.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,782
    Posh Bishkek cafes do REALLY good coffee. Indeed this is true across Central Asia and all the three stans I’ve seen on this trip

    Superb coffee. They take it very seriously. Also the baristas are great at foam art
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,521
    Leon said:

    Unfair, the amount of mildly grifty self-interest shown by Labour indicates that they care for very ordinary people.

    lol. Yes

    A government by the mediocre for the mediocre. A government so dedicated to aiding the mediocre the entire cabinet is composed of mediocrities and the mediocre leader himself puts the meh in mediocre
    I'll take mediocre over orange clownshow Reform redux, which seems to be the alternative.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,171
    Barrister’s ex-wife loses 16-year divorce battle for more of his money
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/23/barristers-artist-ex-wife-loses-16-year-divorce-battle/ (£££)

    In unrelated news, Jason Galbraith-Marten KC is a Cambridge-educated lawyer.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,171
    Nigelb said:

    The most important aspect of this graph is that the crossover where 'care about ordinary people' fell below 'select few' is a couple of weeks or so after the scrapping of winter fuel for pensioners.

    I suspect the free clothes and tickets that were being discussed that month did not also help.

    Dropping WFA must rank v high in the all time list of really stupid political mistakes by Chancellors.

    Given the political capital burned, they could at least have used it on something consequential.
    Absolute basic politics, ignored.
    Reeves and Starmer are both technocrats. Neither is a politician.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 65,521
    Nigelb said:

    The most important aspect of this graph is that the crossover where 'care about ordinary people' fell below 'select few' is a couple of weeks or so after the scrapping of winter fuel for pensioners.

    I suspect the free clothes and tickets that were being discussed that month did not also help.

    Dropping WFA must rank v high in the all time list of really stupid political mistakes by Chancellors.

    Given the political capital burned, they could at least have used it on something consequential.
    Absolute basic politics, ignored.
    Yep.

    If you are going to depth charge your own polling maybe do it on a slightly more impactful policy like world peace or merging NI and tax.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,782
    edited 7:04AM

    Leon said:

    Unfair, the amount of mildly grifty self-interest shown by Labour indicates that they care for very ordinary people.

    lol. Yes

    A government by the mediocre for the mediocre. A government so dedicated to aiding the mediocre the entire cabinet is composed of mediocrities and the mediocre leader himself puts the meh in mediocre
    I'll take mediocre over orange clownshow Reform redux, which seems to be the alternative.
    I will take reform because at least they care about Britain and British people. Labour care about anyone but the British and Britain, and strive to make sure we always get the worst possible deal, favouring foreigners wherever they can - to the extent they are paying random third countries tens of billions to take away our territory - even as they invite in tens of thousands of illegal migrants and put them in the Savoy. On our shilling
  • MonksfieldMonksfield Posts: 2,865
    edited 7:06AM

    Nigelb said:

    The most important aspect of this graph is that the crossover where 'care about ordinary people' fell below 'select few' is a couple of weeks or so after the scrapping of winter fuel for pensioners.

    I suspect the free clothes and tickets that were being discussed that month did not also help.

    Dropping WFA must rank v high in the all time list of really stupid political mistakes by Chancellors.

    Given the political capital burned, they could at least have used it on something consequential.
    Absolute basic politics, ignored.
    Yep.

    If you are going to depth charge your own polling maybe do it on a slightly more impactful policy like world peace or merging NI and tax.
    When I got to the end of the line I thought you were going to say merging NI and the south. Now that’s a policy I’d get firmly behind.
  • MustaphaMondeoMustaphaMondeo Posts: 271
    I’ll maybe get elected to a County seat because of this. It’s just so awful, watching Labour fuck up.

    Disappointing times.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 9,764
    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Posh Bishkek cafes do REALLY good coffee. Indeed this is true across Central Asia and all the three stans I’ve seen on this trip

    Superb coffee. They take it very seriously. Also the baristas are great at foam art

    Hopefully, this will provoke a discussion, extensive in both scope and duration, from other contributors on cups of coffee that they have enjoyed. Or perhaps not enjoyed relative to other cups of coffee.
    I have an embarrassing secret

    I rather like Dunkin’ coffee…

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 38,106
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Unfair, the amount of mildly grifty self-interest shown by Labour indicates that they care for very ordinary people.

    lol. Yes

    A government by the mediocre for the mediocre. A government so dedicated to aiding the mediocre the entire cabinet is composed of mediocrities and the mediocre leader himself puts the meh in mediocre
    I'll take mediocre over orange clownshow Reform redux, which seems to be the alternative.
    I will take reform because at least they care about Britain and British people. Labour care about anyone but the British and Britain, and strive to make sure we always get the worst possible deal, favouring foreigners wherever they can - to the extent they are paying random third countries tens of billions to take away our territory - even as they invite in tens of thousands of illegal migrants and put them in the Savoy. On our shilling
    That's essentially the MAGA argument.
    Brainless.
    I saw a phrase that neatly encapsulates the success of MAGA, ReFUK, BoZo and Brexit

    If you lie enough, you can achieve herd stupidity
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,782
    Nigelb said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Unfair, the amount of mildly grifty self-interest shown by Labour indicates that they care for very ordinary people.

    lol. Yes

    A government by the mediocre for the mediocre. A government so dedicated to aiding the mediocre the entire cabinet is composed of mediocrities and the mediocre leader himself puts the meh in mediocre
    I'll take mediocre over orange clownshow Reform redux, which seems to be the alternative.
    I will take reform because at least they care about Britain and British people. Labour care about anyone but the British and Britain, and strive to make sure we always get the worst possible deal, favouring foreigners wherever they can - to the extent they are paying random third countries tens of billions to take away our territory - even as they invite in tens of thousands of illegal migrants and put them in the Savoy. On our shilling
    That's essentially the MAGA argument.
    Brainless.
    What the fuck are you on about? I’m just truthfully describing the UK Labour government. It’s got fuck all to do with Trump or MAGA you pig faced halfwit
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,536

    Nigelb said:

    Trump accuses Zelenskyy of jeopardising imminent peace deal
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/23/vance-says-us-will-walk-away-unless-ukraine-and-russia-accept-peace-deal


    John F. Kennedy speaking to the nation on July 25th 1961 on the possibility of war with the Soviet Union due to the Berlin Crisis.

    “We cannot negotiate with people who say what's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable”
    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1915197821528969321

    JFK used more hairspray than Donald Trump judging from that clip.
    Probably also shagged more women.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Posh Bishkek cafes do REALLY good coffee. Indeed this is true across Central Asia and all the three stans I’ve seen on this trip

    Superb coffee. They take it very seriously. Also the baristas are great at foam art

    Hopefully, this will provoke a discussion, extensive in both scope and duration, from other contributors on cups of coffee that they have enjoyed. Or perhaps not enjoyed relative to other cups of coffee.
    I have an embarrassing secret

    I rather like Dunkin’ coffee…

    I have an embarrassing secret

    Can't stand coffee.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 30,171

    Nigelb said:

    The most important aspect of this graph is that the crossover where 'care about ordinary people' fell below 'select few' is a couple of weeks or so after the scrapping of winter fuel for pensioners.

    I suspect the free clothes and tickets that were being discussed that month did not also help.

    Dropping WFA must rank v high in the all time list of really stupid political mistakes by Chancellors.

    Given the political capital burned, they could at least have used it on something consequential.
    Absolute basic politics, ignored.
    I’d have gone for merging NI and Income tax. Simplify the rates while I’m at it. Put up the higher rate a bit as well.

    Pension gets locked to the personal tax allowance - equal forever. Old age benefits go in a blender and come out means tested (or just taxable).

    Big campaign on how this means more money for pensioners on less than £30k a year or whatever. The rest is sold as fairness, cost reduction (NI is a whole industry) and required revenue raising.

    Honest question for the lefties here - does this appeal more than what happened?
    When politicians (and political journalists) address their own pension perks, like gold-plated DB schemes and higher-rate tax relief on pension contributions, it will be time to take them seriously.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,536

    Labour’s class warriors destroyed my daughter’s primary school.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/23/labour-party-class-warriors-destroyed-my-daughters-school/ (£££)

    Funnily enough, Labour pinched the VAT on private schools idea from Michael Gove.

    Gove has Lenin on the wall as one of his heroes.
    Does that mean that we can now all agree Lenin had no redeeming features whatsoever?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 121,664

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Posh Bishkek cafes do REALLY good coffee. Indeed this is true across Central Asia and all the three stans I’ve seen on this trip

    Superb coffee. They take it very seriously. Also the baristas are great at foam art

    Hopefully, this will provoke a discussion, extensive in both scope and duration, from other contributors on cups of coffee that they have enjoyed. Or perhaps not enjoyed relative to other cups of coffee.
    I have an embarrassing secret

    I rather like Dunkin’ coffee…

    I have an embarrassing secret

    Can't stand coffee.
    Neither can I, I also don't drink tea either for similar reasons.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,094

    Nigelb said:

    The most important aspect of this graph is that the crossover where 'care about ordinary people' fell below 'select few' is a couple of weeks or so after the scrapping of winter fuel for pensioners.

    I suspect the free clothes and tickets that were being discussed that month did not also help.

    Dropping WFA must rank v high in the all time list of really stupid political mistakes by Chancellors.

    Given the political capital burned, they could at least have used it on something consequential.
    Absolute basic politics, ignored.
    I’d have gone for merging NI and Income tax. Simplify the rates while I’m at it. Put up the higher rate a bit as well.

    Pension gets locked to the personal tax allowance - equal forever. Old age benefits go in a blender and come out means tested (or just taxable).

    Big campaign on how this means more money for pensioners on less than £30k a year or whatever. The rest is sold as fairness, cost reduction (NI is a whole industry) and required revenue raising.

    Honest question for the lefties here - does this appeal more than what happened?
    Simplify tax and increase VAT, simple
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,782
    edited 7:15AM
    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Posh Bishkek cafes do REALLY good coffee. Indeed this is true across Central Asia and all the three stans I’ve seen on this trip

    Superb coffee. They take it very seriously. Also the baristas are great at foam art

    Hopefully, this will provoke a discussion, extensive in both scope and duration, from other contributors on cups of coffee that they have enjoyed. Or perhaps not enjoyed relative to other cups of coffee.
    Or you could regale us with your latest explorations of cars and their various models, iterations, braking systems, and arcane associated acronyms, causing you to be cleverly and mercilessly parodied and humiliated by @Casino_Royale to the extent you then sobbingly and angrily flounce out of the forum saying “you’re not funny. You don’t know what funny is. Only I’m funny. ONLY I AM FUNNY”
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,329
    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Trump accuses Zelenskyy of jeopardising imminent peace deal
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/23/vance-says-us-will-walk-away-unless-ukraine-and-russia-accept-peace-deal


    John F. Kennedy speaking to the nation on July 25th 1961 on the possibility of war with the Soviet Union due to the Berlin Crisis.

    “We cannot negotiate with people who say what's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable”
    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1915197821528969321

    JFK used more hairspray than Donald Trump judging from that clip.
    Probably also shagged more women.
    Consensually as well.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,536

    ydoethur said:

    Nigelb said:

    Trump accuses Zelenskyy of jeopardising imminent peace deal
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/23/vance-says-us-will-walk-away-unless-ukraine-and-russia-accept-peace-deal


    John F. Kennedy speaking to the nation on July 25th 1961 on the possibility of war with the Soviet Union due to the Berlin Crisis.

    “We cannot negotiate with people who say what's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable”
    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1915197821528969321

    JFK used more hairspray than Donald Trump judging from that clip.
    Probably also shagged more women.
    Consensually as well.
    Although there were always indications he did take consent for granted.

    That said, I don't know he's ever been accused of actual rape.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,197
    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Posh Bishkek cafes do REALLY good coffee. Indeed this is true across Central Asia and all the three stans I’ve seen on this trip

    Superb coffee. They take it very seriously. Also the baristas are great at foam art

    Hopefully, this will provoke a discussion, extensive in both scope and duration, from other contributors on cups of coffee that they have enjoyed. Or perhaps not enjoyed relative to other cups of coffee.
    Or you could regale us with your latest explorations of cars and their various models, iterations, braking systems, and arcane associated acronyms, causing you to be cleverly and mercilessly parodied and humiliated by @Casino_Royale to the extent you then sobbingly and angrily flounce out of the forum saying “you’re not funny. You don’t know what funny is. Only I’m funny. ONLY I AM FUNNY”
    Being funny is like being intelligent, in one respect.

    Anyone who says they are, isn’t.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,633

    Nigelb said:

    The most important aspect of this graph is that the crossover where 'care about ordinary people' fell below 'select few' is a couple of weeks or so after the scrapping of winter fuel for pensioners.

    I suspect the free clothes and tickets that were being discussed that month did not also help.

    Dropping WFA must rank v high in the all time list of really stupid political mistakes by Chancellors.

    Given the political capital burned, they could at least have used it on something consequential.
    Absolute basic politics, ignored.
    I’d have gone for merging NI and Income tax. Simplify the rates while I’m at it. Put up the higher rate a bit as well.

    Pension gets locked to the personal tax allowance - equal forever. Old age benefits go in a blender and come out means tested (or just taxable).

    Big campaign on how this means more money for pensioners on less than £30k a year or whatever. The rest is sold as fairness, cost reduction (NI is a whole industry) and required revenue raising.

    Honest question for the lefties here - does this appeal more than what happened?
    Sounds good to me but I think you're significantly underestimating how hard that would have been to sell.

    Labour got elected in part by saying no rises in income tax... some people would be paying more under your scheme. They took baby steps on means testing WFA and it was very unpopular, I can't see that means testing the rest would have gone better...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,782

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Posh Bishkek cafes do REALLY good coffee. Indeed this is true across Central Asia and all the three stans I’ve seen on this trip

    Superb coffee. They take it very seriously. Also the baristas are great at foam art

    Hopefully, this will provoke a discussion, extensive in both scope and duration, from other contributors on cups of coffee that they have enjoyed. Or perhaps not enjoyed relative to other cups of coffee.
    I have an embarrassing secret

    I rather like Dunkin’ coffee…

    I have an embarrassing secret

    Can't stand coffee.
    Neither can I, I also don't drink tea either for similar reasons.
    Wait, what?

    You’re a good Muslim boy so no alcohol

    Fair enough

    But you ALSO don’t drink tea or coffee. Whats left? Ribena?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,094
    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Posh Bishkek cafes do REALLY good coffee. Indeed this is true across Central Asia and all the three stans I’ve seen on this trip

    Superb coffee. They take it very seriously. Also the baristas are great at foam art

    Hopefully, this will provoke a discussion, extensive in both scope and duration, from other contributors on cups of coffee that they have enjoyed. Or perhaps not enjoyed relative to other cups of coffee.
    Or you could regale us with your latest explorations of cars and their various models, iterations, braking systems, and arcane associated acronyms, causing you to be cleverly and mercilessly parodied and humiliated by @Casino_Royale to the extent you then sobbingly and angrily flounce out of the forum saying “you’re not funny. You don’t know what funny is. Only I’m funny. ONLY I AM FUNNY”
    Autocorrect put a "U" in there instead of the intended "A" I believe. :)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,329
    edited 7:23AM
    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Posh Bishkek cafes do REALLY good coffee. Indeed this is true across Central Asia and all the three stans I’ve seen on this trip

    Superb coffee. They take it very seriously. Also the baristas are great at foam art

    Hopefully, this will provoke a discussion, extensive in both scope and duration, from other contributors on cups of coffee that they have enjoyed. Or perhaps not enjoyed relative to other cups of coffee.
    I have an embarrassing secret

    I rather like Dunkin’ coffee…

    I have an embarrassing secret

    Can't stand coffee.
    Neither can I, I also don't drink tea either for similar reasons.
    Wait, what?

    You’re a good Muslim boy so no alcohol

    Fair enough

    But you ALSO don’t drink tea or coffee. Whats left? Ribena?
    Lib/Lab/Nat/Ref (delete to taste and point in the electoral cycle) tears?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550
    I mean, apart from all the others, natch - has there ever been a lower wattage bunch of no marks that has taken over our government, with such a sense of "how hard can this governing lark be?" entitlement - only to trip on the laces of their clown shoes within minutes?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    Nigelb said:

    Trump accuses Zelenskyy of jeopardising imminent peace deal
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/23/vance-says-us-will-walk-away-unless-ukraine-and-russia-accept-peace-deal


    John F. Kennedy speaking to the nation on July 25th 1961 on the possibility of war with the Soviet Union due to the Berlin Crisis.

    “We cannot negotiate with people who say what's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable”
    https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1915197821528969321

    What a brilliant turn of phrase he had. Ted Sorensen helped but a lot of it was down to him.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 18,348

    I mean, apart from all the others, natch - has there ever been a lower wattage bunch of no marks that has taken over our government, with such a sense of "how hard can this governing lark be?" entitlement - only to trip on the laces of their clown shoes within minutes?

    I know we all want to forget the politics of 2022, but yes.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Good to know Brighton's ugliest tower block has a useful purpose - Peregrine Falcon nesting box with breeding pair:

    https://sussexheights.co.uk/sussex-heights-brighton-peregrine-falcons-nestbox-camera?camera=1
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550
    edited 7:30AM
    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Posh Bishkek cafes do REALLY good coffee. Indeed this is true across Central Asia and all the three stans I’ve seen on this trip

    Superb coffee. They take it very seriously. Also the baristas are great at foam art

    Hopefully, this will provoke a discussion, extensive in both scope and duration, from other contributors on cups of coffee that they have enjoyed. Or perhaps not enjoyed relative to other cups of coffee.
    I have an embarrassing secret

    I rather like Dunkin’ coffee…

    I have an embarrassing secret

    Can't stand coffee.
    Neither can I, I also don't drink tea either for similar reasons.
    Wait, what?

    You’re a good Muslim boy so no alcohol

    Fair enough

    But you ALSO don’t drink tea or coffee. Whats left? Ribena?
    Ribena is sickly sweet...

    Hot chocolate.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,236

    A journalist dated alt right men in the US: an interesting take on people caught up in the online “Manosphere”: https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/love-sex/relationships/a63915627/political-beliefs-dating-app-experiment/

    That's a really interesting piece of writing, and occasionally a bit scary.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,564

    The graph in the header suggests Labour were doing all right until they got themselves elected. A lesson the Tories have clearly taken to heart.

    Given i think they'll never make the 'mistake' of a coalition again i think the LDs have made it permanent policy to never be in power again as well.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180

    And yet the big picture is that the government is borrowing about £2000 per person per year. I suspect that there isn't a way of closing that gap that can be perceived as "caring".

    The only question is how to distribute the pain, but good luck getting a mandate for that.

    At £151bn for the last financial year it is more like £2,200 for every man, women (let's not get bogged down in that again) and child in the country. And its likely to go up given the assumptions of growth and productivity built into the current assessment. Because we are "rich". And entitled. And delusional.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,564

    And yet the big picture is that the government is borrowing about £2000 per person per year. I suspect that there isn't a way of closing that gap that can be perceived as "caring".

    The only question is how to distribute the pain, but good luck getting a mandate for that.

    Yep, the country is in denial and will punish any politician who would dare try to be frank about issues, so they don't try. Sometimes they get close but propose only vague pablum as a solution as actual action would be painful.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,416
    Until I zoomed in on that graph, I thought it was colour coded according to political party. Astonishing results - that's why I zoomed in.

    Good morning, everybody.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 51,106
    kle4 said:

    The graph in the header suggests Labour were doing all right until they got themselves elected. A lesson the Tories have clearly taken to heart.

    Given i think they'll never make the 'mistake' of a coalition again i think the LDs have made it permanent policy to never be in power again as well.
    Maybe they'll win the GE after Farage and his nutters get a go? Assuming there is one, obvs.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,550
    Labour "cares only about a select few".

    Stealing Tory clothes?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 3,416

    And yet the big picture is that the government is borrowing about £2000 per person per year. I suspect that there isn't a way of closing that gap that can be perceived as "caring".

    The only question is how to distribute the pain, but good luck getting a mandate for that.

    Clearly it will be those who can least bear the pain. The wealthy will just leave for brighter places. After that the only question is when.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 54,197

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Unfair, the amount of mildly grifty self-interest shown by Labour indicates that they care for very ordinary people.

    lol. Yes

    A government by the mediocre for the mediocre. A government so dedicated to aiding the mediocre the entire cabinet is composed of mediocrities and the mediocre leader himself puts the meh in mediocre
    I'll take mediocre over orange clownshow Reform redux, which seems to be the alternative.
    I will take reform because at least they care about Britain and British people. Labour care about anyone but the British and Britain, and strive to make sure we always get the worst possible deal, favouring foreigners wherever they can - to the extent they are paying random third countries tens of billions to take away our territory - even as they invite in tens of thousands of illegal migrants and put them in the Savoy. On our shilling
    "I will take reform because at least they care about Britain and British people."

    They really don't. And too many of their supporters care for only a rather limited subset of "British people".
    But they actually make a pitch for that market.

    It is noticeable that progressive groups, who have split oceans of ink on the subject of language - punching down, micro aggressions, mansplaining, lived experience etc - still ignore the overall sound of their pitch.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,090
    After remaining relatively quiet for a few weeks Trump decides to have another Canadian tirade just a few days from the election .

    The LPC will of course be delighted as attention is drawn away from domestic politics . The other parties will be horrified as there had been some tightening in the polls as the tariffs /sovereignty issue had reduced in resonance .
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,564
    edited 7:41AM

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Unfair, the amount of mildly grifty self-interest shown by Labour indicates that they care for very ordinary people.

    lol. Yes

    A government by the mediocre for the mediocre. A government so dedicated to aiding the mediocre the entire cabinet is composed of mediocrities and the mediocre leader himself puts the meh in mediocre
    I'll take mediocre over orange clownshow Reform redux, which seems to be the alternative.
    I will take reform because at least they care about Britain and British people. Labour care about anyone but the British and Britain, and strive to make sure we always get the worst possible deal, favouring foreigners wherever they can - to the extent they are paying random third countries tens of billions to take away our territory - even as they invite in tens of thousands of illegal migrants and put them in the Savoy. On our shilling
    "I will take reform because at least they care about Britain and British people."

    They really don't. And too many of their supporters care for only a rather limited subset of "British people".
    My main issue with Reform on a practical level is they insist they are not normal politicians but they look pretty regular to me.

    Sure certain policy positions may be different, which some will like and others hate, but they want to present as some transformative new force you can trust, when they seem to be made up of...the same type of people who usually become politicians, saying the same basic things - x is bad, you can't trust y to solve it but I'm on the level.

    I just don't see on what basis they'd magically have more integrity and competence when they spin and obfuscate and simplify just like other parties and say they care like others, even if you prefer their policies.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,782
    To be serious, the perception that Labour only cares about foreigners, trans people, migrants and asylum seekers is absolutely slaying them. That’s what’s driving this incredible data

    Labour are seen as anti-British, anti-white, anti-native, anti-Christian, anti-us and Sir Sheer Wanker can stand in front of a trillion union jacks and it won’t make a jot of difference

    They are now perceived as the anti British party, who protect foreign minorities even as they eagerly sling Brits in jail for tweeting about cheese
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,564
    edited 7:42AM
    On the locals it will be bad for Labour but the headlines will be all Reform and Tory, so they can afford a bad year.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,564
    nico67 said:

    After remaining relatively quiet for a few weeks Trump decides to have another Canadian tirade just a few days from the election .

    The LPC will of course be delighted as attention is drawn away from domestic politics . The other parties will be horrified as there had been some tightening in the polls as the tariffs /sovereignty issue had reduced in resonance .

    Maybe Trump really likes Carney and wants to ensure he gets a majority?
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,782
    DavidL said:

    And yet the big picture is that the government is borrowing about £2000 per person per year. I suspect that there isn't a way of closing that gap that can be perceived as "caring".

    The only question is how to distribute the pain, but good luck getting a mandate for that.

    At £151bn for the last financial year it is more like £2,200 for every man, women (let's not get bogged down in that again) and child in the country. And its likely to go up given the assumptions of growth and productivity built into the current assessment. Because we are "rich". And entitled. And delusional.
    We are heading for the IMF
  • RogerRoger Posts: 20,454
    edited 7:47AM
    I would like them to care about Gazans and they show no signs of doing so. I would like them to remove themselves from Trumps anus. But they show no sign of doing so. I'd like them to stop declaring war on people who live such dismal lives they they get on rubber boats and risk their lives getting here. I'd even like them to stop demonising trans.......

    But looking at the alternatives I'd still vote Labour (or Lib Dem)

    (Post of the day from Dura Ace and it's only 8.30!)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,782
    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Unfair, the amount of mildly grifty self-interest shown by Labour indicates that they care for very ordinary people.

    lol. Yes

    A government by the mediocre for the mediocre. A government so dedicated to aiding the mediocre the entire cabinet is composed of mediocrities and the mediocre leader himself puts the meh in mediocre
    I'll take mediocre over orange clownshow Reform redux, which seems to be the alternative.
    I will take reform because at least they care about Britain and British people. Labour care about anyone but the British and Britain, and strive to make sure we always get the worst possible deal, favouring foreigners wherever they can - to the extent they are paying random third countries tens of billions to take away our territory - even as they invite in tens of thousands of illegal migrants and put them in the Savoy. On our shilling
    "I will take reform because at least they care about Britain and British people."

    They really don't. And too many of their supporters care for only a rather limited subset of "British people".
    My main issue with Reform on a practical level is they insist they are not normal politicians but they look pretty regular to me.

    Sure certain policy positions may be different, which some will like and others hate, but they want to present as some transformative new force you can trust, when they seem to be made up of...the same type of people who usually become politicians, saying the same basic things - x is bad, you can't trust y to solve it but I'm on the level.

    I just don't see on what basis they'd magically have more integrity and competence when they spin and obfuscate and simplify just like other parties and say they care like others, even if you prefer their policies.
    If they stop the boats and get immigration down under 100,000 that will be an overwhelming triumph. Then we can talk about removing ILR for the boriswave - and move from there

    Just doing that will be an enormous boost to the UK’s fiscal position
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Non-paywall story on zonal electricity pricing:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14642497/South-North-energy-Ed-Miliband-zonal-power-pricing-bills-Net-Zero.html

    Look out Caithness, here come the datafarms!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,564

    DavidL said:

    And yet the big picture is that the government is borrowing about £2000 per person per year. I suspect that there isn't a way of closing that gap that can be perceived as "caring".

    The only question is how to distribute the pain, but good luck getting a mandate for that.

    At £151bn for the last financial year it is more like £2,200 for every man, women (let's not get bogged down in that again) and child in the country. And its likely to go up given the assumptions of growth and productivity built into the current assessment. Because we are "rich". And entitled. And delusional.
    And that delusion is incredibly embedded. We have got away with not really paying our way as a society for most of pretty much all adult life, if not longer. The big difference is that pretty much all the family silver is gone.
    Yes, id hoped the delusion would last most of the rest of my life but we're not going to make that.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    Foxy said:

    A journalist dated alt right men in the US: an interesting take on people caught up in the online “Manosphere”: https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/love-sex/relationships/a63915627/political-beliefs-dating-app-experiment/

    That's a really interesting piece of writing, and occasionally a bit scary.
    A good demonstration of how we get American politics wrong. Like the writer we really struggle to understand the people who vote for Trump. Unlike the writer, we mostly don't even try to.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,296

    Leon said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Posh Bishkek cafes do REALLY good coffee. Indeed this is true across Central Asia and all the three stans I’ve seen on this trip

    Superb coffee. They take it very seriously. Also the baristas are great at foam art

    Hopefully, this will provoke a discussion, extensive in both scope and duration, from other contributors on cups of coffee that they have enjoyed. Or perhaps not enjoyed relative to other cups of coffee.
    I have an embarrassing secret

    I rather like Dunkin’ coffee…

    I have an embarrassing secret

    Can't stand coffee.
    Neither can I, I also don't drink tea either for similar reasons.
    Wait, what?

    You’re a good Muslim boy so no alcohol

    Fair enough

    But you ALSO don’t drink tea or coffee. Whats left? Ribena?
    Ribena is sickly sweet...

    Hot chocolate.
    Everyone's a winner.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 10,144
    edited 7:56AM

    DavidL said:

    And yet the big picture is that the government is borrowing about £2000 per person per year. I suspect that there isn't a way of closing that gap that can be perceived as "caring".

    The only question is how to distribute the pain, but good luck getting a mandate for that.

    At £151bn for the last financial year it is more like £2,200 for every man, women (let's not get bogged down in that again) and child in the country. And its likely to go up given the assumptions of growth and productivity built into the current assessment. Because we are "rich". And entitled. And delusional.
    And that delusion is incredibly embedded. We have got away with not really paying our way as a society for most of pretty much all adult life, if not longer. The big difference is that pretty much all the family silver is gone.
    It's fine if that borrowing is for investments in public health, early childhood development, telecoms, energy and so on - stuff that will either boost economic growth or reduce spending pressures.

    The issue is too much of that borrowing is for day-to-day spending, and now gilts are over 4%. Given the vitriolic reaction to sensible policies like means-testing WFP, or even some interesting energy market reforms that might stimulate growth in the North and reduce costs overall, I just can't see a political way out. Depressing.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 3,400
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Unfair, the amount of mildly grifty self-interest shown by Labour indicates that they care for very ordinary people.

    lol. Yes

    A government by the mediocre for the mediocre. A government so dedicated to aiding the mediocre the entire cabinet is composed of mediocrities and the mediocre leader himself puts the meh in mediocre
    I'll take mediocre over orange clownshow Reform redux, which seems to be the alternative.
    I will take reform because at least they care about Britain and British people. Labour care about anyone but the British and Britain, and strive to make sure we always get the worst possible deal, favouring foreigners wherever they can - to the extent they are paying random third countries tens of billions to take away our territory - even as they invite in tens of thousands of illegal migrants and put them in the Savoy. On our shilling
    "I will take reform because at least they care about Britain and British people."

    They really don't. And too many of their supporters care for only a rather limited subset of "British people".
    My main issue with Reform on a practical level is they insist they are not normal politicians but they look pretty regular to me.

    Sure certain policy positions may be different, which some will like and others hate, but they want to present as some transformative new force you can trust, when they seem to be made up of...the same type of people who usually become politicians, saying the same basic things - x is bad, you can't trust y to solve it but I'm on the level.

    I just don't see on what basis they'd magically have more integrity and competence when they spin and obfuscate and simplify just like other parties and say they care like others, even if you prefer their policies.
    If they stop the boats and get immigration down under 100,000 that will be an overwhelming triumph. Then we can talk about removing ILR for the boriswave - and move from there

    Just doing that will be an enormous boost to the UK’s fiscal position
    "Stop the boats" may be some kind of symbolic talisman to the fash-curious, but has bugger all to to do with anything fundamental in the UK. It is basically an unserious dog whistle.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,782
    edited 8:00AM
    kle4 said:

    DavidL said:

    And yet the big picture is that the government is borrowing about £2000 per person per year. I suspect that there isn't a way of closing that gap that can be perceived as "caring".

    The only question is how to distribute the pain, but good luck getting a mandate for that.

    At £151bn for the last financial year it is more like £2,200 for every man, women (let's not get bogged down in that again) and child in the country. And its likely to go up given the assumptions of growth and productivity built into the current assessment. Because we are "rich". And entitled. And delusional.
    And that delusion is incredibly embedded. We have got away with not really paying our way as a society for most of pretty much all adult life, if not longer. The big difference is that pretty much all the family silver is gone.
    Yes, id hoped the delusion would last most of the rest of my life but we're not going to make that.
    Yes. I made that analogy a few months ago

    Britain feels like the classic cartoon character running off a cliff. The sheer speed at which we were running - fuelled by the explosion of the Industrial Revolution and then the empire has ensured we’ve run really quite a long way for a small country - and we’ve run quite a distance over the edge - we’ve kept up the illusion for an impressively long time

    But now the momentum has gone and we dangle in the air, legs whirring
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,296
    Dura_Ace said:

    Leon said:

    Posh Bishkek cafes do REALLY good coffee. Indeed this is true across Central Asia and all the three stans I’ve seen on this trip

    Superb coffee. They take it very seriously. Also the baristas are great at foam art

    Hopefully, this will provoke a discussion, extensive in both scope and duration, from other contributors on cups of coffee that they have enjoyed. Or perhaps not enjoyed relative to other cups of coffee.
    He'd be better off contributing to the pages of Goodhousekeeping.com . Imagine all those sexually repressed older middle aged women desperate to liberate themselves from their Spanx, and finding a minor celebrity happy to chat to them about cheese and coffee, and share pictures of his breakfast, lunch, dinner and cocktails from far flung sex- tourism hot-spots.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,782
    Cicero said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    Unfair, the amount of mildly grifty self-interest shown by Labour indicates that they care for very ordinary people.

    lol. Yes

    A government by the mediocre for the mediocre. A government so dedicated to aiding the mediocre the entire cabinet is composed of mediocrities and the mediocre leader himself puts the meh in mediocre
    I'll take mediocre over orange clownshow Reform redux, which seems to be the alternative.
    I will take reform because at least they care about Britain and British people. Labour care about anyone but the British and Britain, and strive to make sure we always get the worst possible deal, favouring foreigners wherever they can - to the extent they are paying random third countries tens of billions to take away our territory - even as they invite in tens of thousands of illegal migrants and put them in the Savoy. On our shilling
    "I will take reform because at least they care about Britain and British people."

    They really don't. And too many of their supporters care for only a rather limited subset of "British people".
    My main issue with Reform on a practical level is they insist they are not normal politicians but they look pretty regular to me.

    Sure certain policy positions may be different, which some will like and others hate, but they want to present as some transformative new force you can trust, when they seem to be made up of...the same type of people who usually become politicians, saying the same basic things - x is bad, you can't trust y to solve it but I'm on the level.

    I just don't see on what basis they'd magically have more integrity and competence when they spin and obfuscate and simplify just like other parties and say they care like others, even if you prefer their policies.
    If they stop the boats and get immigration down under 100,000 that will be an overwhelming triumph. Then we can talk about removing ILR for the boriswave - and move from there

    Just doing that will be an enormous boost to the UK’s fiscal position
    "Stop the boats" may be some kind of symbolic talisman to the fash-curious, but has bugger all to to do with anything fundamental in the UK. It is basically an unserious dog whistle.
    It really isn’t. Because the sums are far from trivial

    You know how much we spend a year on asylums seekers? Around £5 BILLION and the number is rising every week - in 2-3 years it could hit £10 bn
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 43,329

    A journalist dated alt right men in the US: an interesting take on people caught up in the online “Manosphere”: https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/love-sex/relationships/a63915627/political-beliefs-dating-app-experiment/

    Golly, quite a brave person.

    One under-perceived thing (among many no doubt) we have in the UK about the US is the prevalence of the Gilead world view. It doesn’t seem a direct transfer to our angry incel movement here yet, though who knows after the recent convulsion of excited righties acclaiming a resurgence of church going.

    Margaret Atwood is a very wise woman, she might turn out to be the Orwell of our age.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    And yet the big picture is that the government is borrowing about £2000 per person per year. I suspect that there isn't a way of closing that gap that can be perceived as "caring".

    The only question is how to distribute the pain, but good luck getting a mandate for that.

    At £151bn for the last financial year it is more like £2,200 for every man, women (let's not get bogged down in that again) and child in the country. And its likely to go up given the assumptions of growth and productivity built into the current assessment. Because we are "rich". And entitled. And delusional.
    We are heading for the IMF
    Probably not now that the pandora's box of QE has been opened by our political classes. We can just create more money. I mean, what could possibly go wrong with that?

    A crisis where the government simply cannot sell enough gilts to pay the bills, however, seems inevitable on our current course (which, in fairness, is not much different from the previous course, at least since 2019. Each party is as irresponsible as the other in this respect).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,038
    Yes since the general election, Labour have given the impression they don't care about pensioners, farmers, business owners, NHS England workers, disabled welfare claimants etc.

    It does not suggest they will get a great result at the local elections next week
  • LeonLeon Posts: 59,782
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    DavidL said:

    And yet the big picture is that the government is borrowing about £2000 per person per year. I suspect that there isn't a way of closing that gap that can be perceived as "caring".

    The only question is how to distribute the pain, but good luck getting a mandate for that.

    At £151bn for the last financial year it is more like £2,200 for every man, women (let's not get bogged down in that again) and child in the country. And its likely to go up given the assumptions of growth and productivity built into the current assessment. Because we are "rich". And entitled. And delusional.
    We are heading for the IMF
    Probably not now that the pandora's box of QE has been opened by our political classes. We can just create more money. I mean, what could possibly go wrong with that?

    A crisis where the government simply cannot sell enough gilts to pay the bills, however, seems inevitable on our current course (which, in fairness, is not much different from the previous course, at least since 2019. Each party is as irresponsible as the other in this respect).
    Yes
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,296
    edited 8:10AM
    HYUFD said:

    Yes since the general election, Labour have given the impression they don't care about pensioners, farmers, business owners, NHS England workers, disabled welfare claimants etc.

    It does not suggest they will get a great result at the local elections next week

    Don't be so negative. According to @Leon GBNews, the Mail and Telegraph, they've secured the 5* hotel "boat people" vote.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    Leon said:

    To be serious, the perception that Labour only cares about foreigners, trans people, migrants and asylum seekers is absolutely slaying them. That’s what’s driving this incredible data

    Labour are seen as anti-British, anti-white, anti-native, anti-Christian, anti-us and Sir Sheer Wanker can stand in front of a trillion union jacks and it won’t make a jot of difference

    They are now perceived as the anti British party, who protect foreign minorities even as they eagerly sling Brits in jail for tweeting about cheese

    I'd no idea our conversation about cheese last night was so dangerous. Was there some sort of secret code that I missed?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,536

    Non-paywall story on zonal electricity pricing:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14642497/South-North-energy-Ed-Miliband-zonal-power-pricing-bills-Net-Zero.html

    Look out Caithness, here come the datafarms!

    How will Leon cope if AI is generated in Wick?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 31,296
    ydoethur said:

    Non-paywall story on zonal electricity pricing:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14642497/South-North-energy-Ed-Miliband-zonal-power-pricing-bills-Net-Zero.html

    Look out Caithness, here come the datafarms!

    How will Leon cope if AI is generated in Wick?
    Move to Newent?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 73,536
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    To be serious, the perception that Labour only cares about foreigners, trans people, migrants and asylum seekers is absolutely slaying them. That’s what’s driving this incredible data

    Labour are seen as anti-British, anti-white, anti-native, anti-Christian, anti-us and Sir Sheer Wanker can stand in front of a trillion union jacks and it won’t make a jot of difference

    They are now perceived as the anti British party, who protect foreign minorities even as they eagerly sling Brits in jail for tweeting about cheese

    I'd no idea our conversation about cheese last night was so dangerous. Was there some sort of secret code that I missed?
    We said the situation Trump has left himself in is his hard cheddar.
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